WEBVTT 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:08.220 The feed for this streaming event brought to you by 00:00:08.220 --> 00:00:11.759 AdminMonitor.com, will begin momentarily. Thank 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:16.309 you for your patience. 00:00:16.309 --> 00:00:18.929 Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission 00:00:18.929 --> 00:00:23.260 voting meeting. On this day Thursday, December 1, 2022. 00:00:23.269 --> 00:00:26.230 Today's call is being recorded, if you have any objections 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.760 you may disconnect at this time. President Reynolds, 00:00:28.769 --> 00:00:32.880 you may begin. Good morning everyone. We need to start 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:35.520 by establishing a quorum. Agenda Clerk, could you please 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:39.590 call the roll. Commissioner John Reynolds? 00:00:39.590 --> 00:00:45.299 Here. Commissioner Houck? Here. Commissioner Shiroma? 00:00:46.179 --> 00:00:50.859 Here. Commissioner Rechtschaffen? I'm here, thank you. 00:00:51.619 --> 00:00:57.100 President, Alice Reynolds? Here, we have a quorum. Welcome 00:00:57.109 --> 00:00:59.710 to the California Public Utilities Commission. I'm 00:00:59.710 --> 00:01:04.459 calling this meeting of December 1, 2022. Public Agenda 00:01:04.469 --> 00:01:09.859 number 3519, to order. Today we're meeting virtually. 00:01:09.870 --> 00:01:12.780 This meeting is also being live streamed on the PUC's 00:01:12.780 --> 00:01:17.920 website. You can view the meeting at www.adminmonitor.com/ 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:23.390 ca/cpuc. Closed 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.689 captioning is available in English and Spanish, through 00:01:26.689 --> 00:01:29.439 the webcast. To view the closed captioning, click 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.500 on the green button, beneath the webcast video player, 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:36.299 and follow the instructions that appear on screen. 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Or you may call 00:03:45.789 --> 00:03:55.189 1-866-849-8390. We will now turn to public comment. I have 00:03:55.189 --> 00:03:58.289 a few instructions to start. Um, if you wish to make 00:03:58.289 --> 00:04:00.650 a public comment by telephone, and you have already 00:04:00.659 --> 00:04:04.189 dialed into the public comment telephone line. Please 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.680 press *1 and unmute your phone, to enter the public 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:12.150 comment queue. If you see rules, do not allow for parties 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.389 in proceedings to speak about open proceedings. The 00:04:15.389 --> 00:04:18.759 public can make comments addressing items on the consent 00:04:18.769 --> 00:04:22.670 and regular agenda, as well as items not on the agenda. 00:04:23.009 --> 00:04:26.149 All speakers will have one minute to speak. You will 00:04:26.149 --> 00:04:30.170 hear a bell sound when your time is up. Please be mindful 00:04:30.170 --> 00:04:32.949 of other speakers in the queue and keep to your allotted 00:04:32.949 --> 00:04:36.230 time. We really do want to get to everyone today. As 00:04:36.230 --> 00:04:39.870 a reminder, please speak clearly and slowly to accommodate 00:04:39.870 --> 00:04:43.360 Spanish interpreters. With that guidance in mind, I 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.050 welcome today's speakers and will ask the operator 00:04:46.050 --> 00:04:49.629 to open the public comment telephone line. Operator? 00:04:51.899 --> 00:04:54.329 Thank you. The public comment telephone line is now 00:04:54.329 --> 00:04:57.199 open. To those on the phone, if you wish to speak during 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.079 the public comment period. Please press *1 and 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.519 unmute your phone, and clearly record your Name and Organization 00:05:03.529 --> 00:05:07.920 when prompted. Our first caller is Vice Mayor Julian 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.579 Gold. Thank you sir, you may begin. 00:05:11.579 --> 00:05:14.879 Uh, Madam President, Members of the Commission. I'm Julian 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.870 Gold, Vice-Mayor of the City of Beverly Hills. Beverly 00:05:17.870 --> 00:05:21.629 Hills is a city which depends upon Edison. To provide 00:05:21.629 --> 00:05:26.029 reliable distribution system for our electricity. The transmission 00:05:26.029 --> 00:05:28.910 reliability from Edison has deteriorated over the past 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.129 four years. The frequent recent outages and Edison's 00:05:32.139 --> 00:05:36.269 poor response, have been unacceptable. More than 2,000 00:05:36.269 --> 00:05:38.699 residents in the Trousdale Estates area of Beverly 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:41.629 Hills, have been plagued by outages. On average, at 00:05:41.629 --> 00:05:45.889 least one outage a month. One actually lasted 39 hours, 00:05:45.899 --> 00:05:49.980 for some people. We know that about 50% of these outages 00:05:49.980 --> 00:05:53.189 are related to equipment failure. We believe this is 00:05:53.189 --> 00:05:56.819 a funding issue. Edison is not being required by you. 00:05:56.829 --> 00:05:59.490 To sufficiently fund their infrastructure maintenance 00:05:59.500 --> 00:06:02.959 and expansion to meet our customer needs. This lack 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.990 of investment is already evident and will likely grow 00:06:05.990 --> 00:06:09.459 worse, especially with the State's ambitious electrification 00:06:09.459 --> 00:06:12.779 strategy. As the regulators of these monopolies, we 00:06:12.779 --> 00:06:16.930 ask that you require Edison to maintain, rehabilitate 00:06:16.930 --> 00:06:20.220 and expand the distribution system. To provide a more 00:06:20.230 --> 00:06:24.899 reliable, safe system now, and in the future. And we thank 00:06:24.899 --> 00:06:28.589 you for your time and attention. 00:06:28.589 --> 00:06:32.180 Thank you for your comment, Vice-Mayor Gold. Operator, 00:06:32.189 --> 00:06:35.250 next caller please. 00:06:35.250 --> 00:06:38.639 Our next caller is Brad, Brett Garrett. You may go ahead. 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:44.339 Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Um, this is Brett Garrett calling 00:06:44.350 --> 00:06:47.819 from Goleta, California. I'm calling to support rooftop 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:51.410 solar and net energy metering. I've been proud to live 00:06:51.410 --> 00:06:54.129 in a State, that is a leader in promoting renewable 00:06:54.129 --> 00:06:57.490 energy. But as a Californian, I am embarrassed by the 00:06:57.490 --> 00:07:01.870 NEM 3 proposal, to slash the solar credit by 75%. 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.980 This proposal is a travesty, which will derail California 00:07:04.980 --> 00:07:08.029 climate goals. By destroying the financial incentive 00:07:08.045 --> 00:07:11.324 to install solar panels. The CPUC should take steps 00:07:11.324 --> 00:07:14.704 to increase distributed energy resources, instead of 00:07:14.704 --> 00:07:17.725 pandering to the utilities desire to build more transmission 00:07:17.725 --> 00:07:21.045 lines. Which are very profitable for them, and we know 00:07:21.045 --> 00:07:24.454 the proposal is about profits. California needs more 00:07:24.454 --> 00:07:28.495 solar with batteries, not less. Please reward batteries, 00:07:28.504 --> 00:07:32.555 do not punish solar. Please reject the NEM 3 proposal. Thank 00:07:32.555 --> 00:07:36.430 you very much. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:07:38.730 --> 00:07:41.910 Our next caller is Shereen Bergholz. You may go ahead. 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:48.449 Hello, my name is Shereen Bergholz and I live in Long 00:07:48.449 --> 00:07:52.360 Beach. I have solar panels on my home. This decision 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.620 was not easy to make. The break even point for investment 00:07:56.629 --> 00:08:01.009 is seven years. I oppose the current NEM 3.0 proposal. 00:08:01.019 --> 00:08:04.680 You, the California Public Utility Commission are proposing 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:09.180 to slash by 75%, the credit that solar users receive 00:08:09.189 --> 00:08:14.160 for sharing extra energy to the grid. These changes 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.269 would affect households, churches, schools and businesses 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.540 that do not yet have solar. I understand that this 00:08:20.540 --> 00:08:23.240 proposal would not affect me, but it would affect my 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.600 neighbors and friends who might be considering adding 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.000 solar panels to their homes. Other states have adopted 00:08:29.009 --> 00:08:32.409 similar changes, saw rooftop solar adoption drop by 00:08:32.409 --> 00:08:36.259 50% or more. The State of California will not reach 00:08:36.259 --> 00:08:39.610 its climate goals, with a decrease in solar adoption. 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.940 Please keep rooftop solar affordable. It's good for 00:08:42.940 --> 00:08:45.870 California and it's good for the planet. Thank you. 00:08:46.899 --> 00:08:51.059 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:53.840 Our next caller is Judith Anderson. You may go ahead. 00:08:53.850 --> 00:09:05.029 You all on the Commission, give the appearance of craven 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.870 venal politicians. Doing the bidding of the for-profit 00:09:09.870 --> 00:09:14.529 utilities. Hundreds, if not thousands, of the citizens 00:09:14.529 --> 00:09:18.409 you are supposed to protect. Have told you what they 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:22.649 want in terms of rooftop solar, and yet you ignored 00:09:22.649 --> 00:09:27.039 them. And produce your outrageous plan, crippling the 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:31.169 rooftop solar movement and enriching the bloated coffers 00:09:31.169 --> 00:09:35.679 of the utilities. You will be the cause of California's 00:09:35.690 --> 00:09:38.629 failure and destruction as an environmental leader 00:09:38.629 --> 00:09:43.559 in the Country. Your grandchildren will despise you. 00:09:43.570 --> 00:09:47.690 No matter how much money you leave them. I keep thinking 00:09:47.690 --> 00:09:51.539 about the Ansel Adams quote, "It is horrifying that 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:56.179 we have to fight our own government, to save our environment." 00:09:56.190 --> 00:10:00.570 And that was in 1983, when James Watt was Secretary 00:10:00.570 --> 00:10:06.129 of the Interior. And we still have to fight our own 00:10:06.139 --> 00:10:10.179 government. 00:10:10.179 --> 00:10:15.649 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:10:15.649 --> 00:10:21.559 Our next caller is Maggie Alma. You may go ahead. 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.000 Hi uh, Maggie Alma from Santa Cruz. Can you hear me? 00:10:27.669 --> 00:10:32.870 Yes, we can. Thank you. Your new NEM 3 proposal is untenable for 00:10:32.870 --> 00:10:35.970 most working class families. This new NEM 3 will 00:10:35.970 --> 00:10:38.840 greatly reduce the incentives, for people to install 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.009 solar on their home. It will nearly double the time 00:10:42.009 --> 00:10:45.269 they recoup their investments from 6 to 12 years. There's 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.240 no way that California, can meet the Governor's goal 00:10:48.250 --> 00:10:52.879 to triple solar installations by 2035. In fact, it 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.835 will cut new solar installations in half. Due to the 00:10:55.845 --> 00:11:00.674 75% cut in the rate, for which new solar consumers get 00:11:00.674 --> 00:11:04.745 credit for providing electricity to the grid. You do 00:11:04.745 --> 00:11:07.465 understand, that this is the most extreme cut in the 00:11:07.465 --> 00:11:10.575 whole country. Everywhere net metering has been cut, 00:11:10.585 --> 00:11:13.674 solar adoptions have dropped by more than half. This 00:11:13.674 --> 00:11:17.794 is a climate catastrophe. We need more solar, not less. 00:11:17.804 --> 00:11:22.284 Please vote against this proposal. Do not fail California. 00:11:22.294 --> 00:11:26.289 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:11:28.460 --> 00:11:42.580 Our next caller is Renny Wise. You may go ahead. 00:11:42.580 --> 00:11:44.879 And Renny Wise, we're not able to hear you. Please 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.220 check your mute button. 00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:52.899 Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. Okay. Commissioners, 00:11:52.909 --> 00:11:56.250 how many of you are willing to take a 75% pay cut? 00:11:56.259 --> 00:11:59.580 What? No takers? And yet you're proposing that low- 00:11:59.580 --> 00:12:02.080 income California homeowners, who might one day afford 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.769 solar panels. Will earn 75% less when selling surplus 00:12:05.769 --> 00:12:09.450 power back to the grid. Using some voodoo economics, 00:12:09.450 --> 00:12:12.269 created by ALEC, a right wing think tank. You want us 00:12:12.269 --> 00:12:14.419 to believe solar adopters are not paying their fair 00:12:14.419 --> 00:12:17.269 share of maintaining the electrical power grid. They 00:12:17.269 --> 00:12:19.740 must be punished for investing in a safe and decentralized 00:12:19.750 --> 00:12:22.919 form of fossil free energy generation. Do you think 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.360 we can prevent the effects of runaway greenhouse gases, 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.360 if we don't do everything to speed up the adoption 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.669 of rooftop solar and storage batteries? What will future 00:12:30.669 --> 00:12:32.649 generations think of you for turning your backs and 00:12:32.649 --> 00:12:35.200 saving our overheated planet? Just to help some greedy 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.740 corporations make more money. They are unfeeling dinosaurs, 00:12:38.740 --> 00:12:41.720 who should already be extinct. It's not too late to 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:44.779 do the right thing. Reject this big lie, that the (inaudible) 00:12:44.779 --> 00:12:47.679 trying to shove down our throats. Make your children 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.940 proud of you, instead of ashamed of your betrayal. 00:12:49.950 --> 00:12:54.350 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:12:56.830 --> 00:13:00.120 Our next caller is Roger. You may go ahead. 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.730 Hello, I'm Roger and I'm calling about the NEM 3. 00:13:03.730 --> 00:13:10.230 I'm a California Contractor number 812272. And what 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.710 I think I would like to echo. Is that I, for the 00:13:12.710 --> 00:13:16.230 last 40 years have been installing solar and (inaudible) 00:13:16.230 --> 00:13:19.159 for the last 20. The last 10 years, the majority 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.870 of systems I do install. Tend to be for people who earn 00:13:21.870 --> 00:13:26.330 kind of $30-$50 an hour, and they were so excited to 00:13:26.330 --> 00:13:29.750 be part of the program. And at this point, they've asked 00:13:29.750 --> 00:13:32.039 me to call in. Because so many of them are so afraid. They are 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.350 definitely going to withdraw from putting solar systems 00:13:34.350 --> 00:13:39.600 on their roofs. If the equation changes as such, that they 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.330 just have no opportunity to possibly do that. And I 00:13:42.330 --> 00:13:45.330 think that is exactly kind of where this proposals 00:13:45.330 --> 00:13:49.779 headed. So appreciate your reconsideration, and keep 00:13:49.779 --> 00:13:53.919 us moving forward. Thank you very much. Thank you. Operator, 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:58.340 next caller please. Our next caller is Jim Gagnon. 00:13:58.730 --> 00:14:01.299 You may go ahead. 00:14:01.299 --> 00:14:04.279 Good morning, my name is Jim Gagnon. I'm the Co-Chair 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.250 of the County Broadband Committee. I'm speaking today to urge the 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:11.289 Commission to approve AT&T Advice Letter 49108A. 00:14:11.289 --> 00:14:14.370 To bring fiber broadband service to (inaudible). 00:14:14.370 --> 00:14:16.690 Closet Advice Letter, represents several years of hard 00:14:16.690 --> 00:14:19.379 work by committee. While many are supportive (inaudible) 00:14:19.379 --> 00:14:22.110 AT&T, has incurred. Our aging copper network is 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:25.289 slow, unreliable and hazard to our community. Every 00:14:25.289 --> 00:14:27.669 day it stays in place, is another day (inaudible) falls 00:14:27.669 --> 00:14:30.559 behind the modern world. The currently suspended advice 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.870 letter provides a path for (inaudible) to replace our copper 00:14:32.870 --> 00:14:36.429 network, with a modern safe and reliable fiber network. 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:38.669 I strongly urge the Commission to grant AT&T's 00:14:38.669 --> 00:14:41.350 request to bring essential fiber broadband services 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.919 to all of (inaudible) residents as soon as possible. Thank you. 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.500 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. Our next caller 00:14:50.500 --> 00:14:54.519 is Paul Leon. You may go ahead. Hello Commissioners. 00:14:54.529 --> 00:14:57.399 My name is Paul Leon from Ontario. The current NEM 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:01.240 proposal is gonna kill California solar. IID, 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.360 in Indio and Anaheim, did the same exact thing several 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.830 years ago. And their markets are completely dead, completely 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:11.759 dead. Less than five people that go solar pay cash 00:15:11.769 --> 00:15:15.230 for solar. The nine year payback that keeps being spouted, 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.720 is meaningless to almost everybody who goes solar in 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.509 California. Currently a family in Edison, who pays about 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:25.500 250 bucks a month for Edison. Can go solar for 160 to 00:15:25.500 --> 00:15:29.259 170 bucks a month. This is using today's higher interest 00:15:29.259 --> 00:15:33.330 rates. With this new proposal, that 170 bucks a month 00:15:33.340 --> 00:15:37.480 will go upwards of 350 bucks or more. Would you do 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.600 that, Commissioners? Would you increase your monthly 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.279 cost over $100 a month, just to do the right thing? 00:15:44.870 --> 00:15:47.269 I don't think you would, and I don't think most people 00:15:47.269 --> 00:15:50.919 would. Just like Anaheim and IID. This will kill 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.580 solar and hundreds of thousands of solar jobs in California. 00:15:54.590 --> 00:15:57.250 I would please urge you to consider voting No. Just 00:15:57.250 --> 00:15:59.860 like the other 200 people, I'm standing with out here 00:15:59.870 --> 00:16:02.590 in Los Angeles. Down the street from the PUC building, 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.409 protesting, along with the other 10 locations in California 00:16:05.409 --> 00:16:09.899 right now. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Operator, 00:16:09.899 --> 00:16:12.980 next caller please. 00:16:12.980 --> 00:16:15.889 Our next caller is Nick Peterson. You may go ahead. 00:16:17.049 --> 00:16:19.649 The CPUC is still not listening to the majority 00:16:19.649 --> 00:16:22.690 of Californians. Again, in order to push through your 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:25.659 pro-utility approach on NEM 3. In the so called 00:16:25.659 --> 00:16:28.039 analysis, which is really just regurgitating the data 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.370 provided by the industrial utilities. The State NEM increased 00:16:31.379 --> 00:16:35.220 bills for customers without rooftop solar by 3.37 billion 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:38.460 in 2021. What you don't mention, is that in the same 00:16:38.460 --> 00:16:41.289 year, the profits that PG&E alone increased at almost 00:16:41.299 --> 00:16:46.419 12% to nearly $16 billion. These are profits of PG&E received 00:16:46.419 --> 00:16:48.840 after declaring bankruptcy. Burning down large portions 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.240 of the State, pleading guilty to 84 counts of felony 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:55.620 involuntary manslaughter. The system is broken, corrupt 00:16:55.620 --> 00:16:58.149 and out of control. We need to promote policies that 00:16:58.149 --> 00:17:01.340 move California to a distributed equitable, safe, sustainable 00:17:01.340 --> 00:17:04.180 competitive energy generation system. That reduces costs 00:17:04.180 --> 00:17:07.289 and provides reliability and resilience. This is exactly 00:17:07.289 --> 00:17:10.009 what rooftop solar with battery stores does and what 00:17:10.009 --> 00:17:13.019 our nation as a whole is pursuing. Please stop doing 00:17:13.019 --> 00:17:16.470 the IOCs bidding and supporting profit hungry monopolies. 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.549 Listen to the people of California. Keep them strong. 00:17:21.819 --> 00:17:26.789 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:17:26.789 --> 00:17:30.430 Our next caller is Arnold Featherstone. You may go ahead. 00:17:33.259 --> 00:17:36.009 Thank you. Uh, my name is Arnold Featherstone. I've 00:17:36.009 --> 00:17:38.599 been a Callan customer for about 10 years, here in the 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.029 Monterrey area. And um, I support and encourage you to 00:17:42.029 --> 00:17:44.990 support. The revised proposed decision that authorizes 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.769 the amended water purchase agreement. For the public 00:17:47.769 --> 00:17:50.839 water expansion project. I believe that this is item 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:53.569 four today. Please approve it. We urgently need this 00:17:53.569 --> 00:17:56.200 water project. It allows Callan to meet the demand for 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.859 water now and for decades to come. I've read the studies. 00:17:59.869 --> 00:18:02.359 I've been following this story for as long as I can 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.079 remember. This expansion project is far superior to 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:08.619 Callan's proposed detail project. Which will most definitely 00:18:08.619 --> 00:18:11.069 increase the most expensive water in the country, by 00:18:11.069 --> 00:18:15.150 as much as 60 to 70%. I and many others around me 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.819 simply cannot afford that. Nor is there any good reason 00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:20.859 that we should have two. If approved. Please compel 00:18:20.859 --> 00:18:23.230 Callan to sign this water purchase agreement. They've 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:26.019 been dragging their feet for over two years. Putting 00:18:26.029 --> 00:18:29.299 our community in a dangerous situation. It's just self 00:18:29.299 --> 00:18:32.109 serving greed. My hope is that the Commission acts 00:18:32.109 --> 00:18:34.410 on behalf of the communities they serve. The will of 00:18:34.410 --> 00:18:37.460 the people have spoken. And continue to speak on behalf 00:18:37.460 --> 00:18:40.130 of public ownership, and operation of this precious 00:18:40.130 --> 00:18:44.380 necessary resource. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, 00:18:44.380 --> 00:18:48.950 next caller, please. Our next is Sue Saunders. 00:18:48.950 --> 00:18:52.230 You may go ahead. Hi, good morning, Commissioners. My 00:18:52.230 --> 00:18:55.319 name is Sue Saunders. I'm from San Anselmo, and the 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.789 new NEM 3 proposal from you. Reduces incentives 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:03.240 for rooftop solar by 75%. Destroying clean energy and 00:19:03.250 --> 00:19:07.880 75,000 jobs. The proposal is supposed to incentivize 00:19:07.890 --> 00:19:11.490 battery storage. But batteries are still too expensive, 00:19:11.490 --> 00:19:14.190 in short supply. And the incentives are nowhere near 00:19:14.190 --> 00:19:17.190 enough to make them affordable. This proposal will 00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:20.109 do nothing but destroy the future promise of solar 00:19:20.109 --> 00:19:23.539 and battery storage, by gutting the solar industry. 00:19:23.569 --> 00:19:27.769 I applaud the $1 billion set for lower-income residents to 00:19:27.769 --> 00:19:31.170 install solar and batteries. However, according to 00:19:31.170 --> 00:19:34.490 a chart in your proposal, the payback period for solar 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:38.579 does not provide equity. Low-income residents receiving 00:19:38.579 --> 00:19:42.009 assistance called CARE, have a payback period of 9 00:19:42.009 --> 00:19:45.710 years in PG&E territory. While higher income customers 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.039 payback period is 6 years. Where is the equity in 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.500 those numbers? This proposal is flawed and you need 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:55.859 to go back and reinstate incentives. And provide equitable 00:19:55.869 --> 00:20:01.119 access to solar and battery storage. Thank you. Thank 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:05.420 you. Operator, next caller please. 00:20:05.420 --> 00:20:09.769 Our next caller is Rob Hawley. You may go ahead. Hi, 00:20:09.769 --> 00:20:12.880 this is Rob Hawley from San Jose. Your latest proposal 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:15.500 contains the bizarre notion, that no one cares about 00:20:15.500 --> 00:20:19.000 their solar investment. Let me relate my own analysis 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.970 from 2018. At the time I was on EVA. My break 00:20:22.970 --> 00:20:26.569 even was about 10 years, long but acceptable. A year 00:20:26.569 --> 00:20:28.980 later, I was told I was being moved to the EV2. 00:20:28.990 --> 00:20:31.630 I acknowledge that EV2 is more favorable to most 00:20:31.630 --> 00:20:35.160 car owners, but it also cut my solar credit by 40%. 00:20:35.170 --> 00:20:38.160 I would not have proceeded. The other change is the 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.240 State's attitude. The State has changed from encouraging 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:43.859 citizens to help with our energy needs. To now being 00:20:43.869 --> 00:20:47.069 overtly hostile to it. You've made it clear that even 00:20:47.069 --> 00:20:50.089 current owners are not safe. We've been telling you 00:20:50.089 --> 00:20:52.839 for more than a year, that even more dramatic 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.500 reductions you propose will kill the industry. We've 00:20:55.500 --> 00:20:57.990 presented enough examples of what happens when these 00:20:57.990 --> 00:21:00.650 changes are made. That the collapse of the solar industry 00:21:00.650 --> 00:21:05.660 should no longer be debatable. Thank you. Thank you. 00:21:05.670 --> 00:21:10.380 Operator, next caller please. 00:21:10.380 --> 00:21:13.009 Our next caller is Sharon Grant. You may go ahead. 00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:18.670 Thank you. Sharon Grant of Palma Valley. The power companies 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:24.670 are monopoly, and the CPUC is charged with regulating 00:21:24.670 --> 00:21:28.500 them. Presumably for the public good, but this is the 00:21:28.509 --> 00:21:34.099 solar tax is definitely for the public bad. It was 00:21:34.099 --> 00:21:38.119 gut solar as so many people before me have said. Um, 00:21:38.130 --> 00:21:41.180 by 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:48.279 decreasing new solar installations by over 50%. California 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.029 should be encouraging solar, to have any sense. 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.559 I don't know why the CPU doesn't see this. And I would 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:59.430 like to ask the Members of the CPU to do something. 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:03.900 Close your eyes, please. Just close them. And say to 00:22:03.900 --> 00:22:09.609 yourself, in my heart, do I feel that this solar proposal 00:22:09.619 --> 00:22:13.190 is for the public good? For my children, my grandchildren 00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:17.220 in the planet. I think you will know that it is not. 00:22:18.150 --> 00:22:23.410 Please vote against it. Thank you. 00:22:23.410 --> 00:22:27.440 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:32.730 Our next caller is Donna Myers. You may go ahead. 00:22:32.730 --> 00:22:35.309 Good afternoon, Commission. My name is Donna Myers. 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.819 I'm the General Manager of the Salinas Valley Basin 00:22:37.819 --> 00:22:41.680 Groundwater Sustainability Agency. I'm here this morning 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:46.329 requesting your additional condition for agenda item 00:22:46.329 --> 00:22:49.900 number four, which is the amended water agreement. Uh, 00:22:49.910 --> 00:22:53.230 as the local groundwater sustainability agency. We 00:22:53.230 --> 00:22:56.259 need to let you know that the 184100 sub-basin 00:22:56.259 --> 00:23:00.869 aquifer, which many of the waters are involved in the 00:23:00.869 --> 00:23:05.660 agreement. Are um either being distributed in or coming 00:23:05.670 --> 00:23:09.849 from. Um is in an over drafted and also experiencing 00:23:09.859 --> 00:23:13.190 seawater intrusion. We would request that your Commission, 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:17.490 condition the agreement. With the creation of an operational 00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:21.019 committee made up of the local water companies. Uh, 00:23:21.029 --> 00:23:23.990 ourselves. So that we can understand operationally how 00:23:23.990 --> 00:23:27.400 to best manage the aquifer. Through especially conditions 00:23:27.410 --> 00:23:31.470 such as drought. We respectfully request your attention 00:23:31.470 --> 00:23:35.099 to this request. And thank you for allowing us to speak. 00:23:36.150 --> 00:23:42.529 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:23:42.529 --> 00:23:45.829 And our next caller is Susan Dubowski. You may go ahead. 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:48.869 Good morning, my name is Susan Dubowski. I live in 00:23:48.869 --> 00:23:52.109 Los Angeles County. California's clean energy goals 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.150 are important to me. As this the State's determination, that 00:23:55.150 --> 00:23:57.869 all forms of solar need to play a major role in getting to 00:23:57.869 --> 00:24:01.910 100% clean energy. And previously, maybe naively assumed 00:24:01.910 --> 00:24:04.490 that rooftop solar would have contributed a significant 00:24:04.490 --> 00:24:07.279 amount of providing this carbon free energy. And that 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.079 State policy would incentivize rooftop solar development. 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:13.230 Now however, instead of incentivizing further growth, 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:17.299 top solar for all incomes. The NEM's latest proposal 00:24:17.299 --> 00:24:20.099 payback period diminishes the value of rooftop solar 00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:22.940 for everyone. All incomes and especially low and moderate, 00:24:22.950 --> 00:24:26.599 and is exasperated by today's inflation. This latest 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.200 proposed decision ignores the state's equity goals, 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.539 and makes rooftop solar particularly under table, unattainable 00:24:32.539 --> 00:24:35.230 for all the other income Californians. All too often 00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:37.839 moderate, low-income residents, most finance rooftop 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:40.690 solar with loans or power purchase agreement. So that 00:24:40.690 --> 00:24:42.940 during the first few years they're underwater without 00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:46.349 benefits and payback. And this even more negatively 00:24:46.349 --> 00:24:49.789 affects rooftop solar for schools, commercial and industrial 00:24:49.789 --> 00:24:52.769 ratepayers. I guess I won't be seeing rooftop solar 00:24:52.769 --> 00:24:55.190 on the thousands of buildings throughout California. 00:24:55.190 --> 00:24:58.690 Which could have greatly contributed to making leaving 00:24:58.690 --> 00:25:02.049 the State's clean energy goals. Instead, I'll see more, more 00:25:02.059 --> 00:25:04.819 poorly maintained and unreliable long distance power 00:25:04.819 --> 00:25:07.869 lines. Eating up natural areas and causing more wildfires, 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:12.880 which all ratepayers are billed for. Thank you. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.410 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. Our next caller 00:25:17.410 --> 00:25:22.269 is Jennifer Tanner. You may go ahead. Hi, Jennifer Tanner, for 00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:27.170 our Invisible California Green Team. Um, 00:25:27.170 --> 00:25:31.630 oh sorry. 00:25:31.630 --> 00:25:35.160 Um, first of all, I do not let PG&E (inaudible) step 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.099 one of the enhanced oversight and enforcement process. 00:25:38.109 --> 00:25:41.410 That's dangerous for California. Please do not do that. 00:25:41.420 --> 00:25:44.539 Now onto rooftop solar. We keep saying the same thing, 00:25:44.549 --> 00:25:47.150 and you keep defending PG&E's profits over ratepayers. Which is 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.819 legitimate concerns. 170,000 people have told 00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:53.529 you. Most of the media is totally against what you're 00:25:53.529 --> 00:25:57.529 proposing. The President Biden, our own California Energy 00:25:57.529 --> 00:26:00.710 Commission, the CARB have told you grow solar, don't 00:26:00.710 --> 00:26:03.400 shrink it. What people have delivered this message 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.710 than any other in CPUC history? Yet you continue to 00:26:06.710 --> 00:26:09.430 bow to PG&E profits, rather than the public good. 00:26:09.940 --> 00:26:12.490 How can you be called the California Public Utilities 00:26:12.490 --> 00:26:14.180 Commission? I don't know, maybe you should change your 00:26:14.180 --> 00:26:17.849 name. People are suffering from fires and blackouts 00:26:17.849 --> 00:26:20.990 caused by PG&E. And constantly rising rates, which you 00:26:20.990 --> 00:26:24.200 approved. That's the real cost ship. And the stain is 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.769 on your hands. Shame on you, do the right thing. Thank 00:26:27.769 --> 00:26:29.990 you. 00:26:29.990 --> 00:26:34.579 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:26:34.579 --> 00:26:37.660 Our next caller is Deborah Howard. You may go ahead. 00:26:37.670 --> 00:26:42.640 Hi there. Hi there. This is Deborah Howard. I'm with 00:26:42.650 --> 00:26:46.180 the California Senior Advocates League. We are a Statewide 00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:49.839 Organization. And we wanted to create an organization 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.269 that supported not just seniors, but families and their 00:26:52.269 --> 00:26:56.329 communities as well. My comments today, um, address 00:26:56.339 --> 00:27:03.000 uh, the rooftop solar, um, issue. And the, what we believe 00:27:03.009 --> 00:27:07.480 to be the unfair cost shift to non solar customers 00:27:07.490 --> 00:27:14.579 um, having to do with the um uh, grid. The cost of 00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:18.009 grid maintenance being shifted to non solar users, 00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:23.170 uh, predominantly, um, over giving preference to solar 00:27:23.170 --> 00:27:25.910 users. And we love solar, we absolutely want solar to 00:27:25.910 --> 00:27:29.289 be expanded. Um, but this issue is something that would 00:27:29.289 --> 00:27:33.319 lock in this inequity to low-income predominantly, 00:27:33.470 --> 00:27:38.279 um, residents who don't have the capacity to engage 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.569 with solar energy. Um, so I ask that you would look 00:27:42.579 --> 00:27:46.140 to revisit that. That everyone who relies on the electric 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:50.140 grid, those with and without solar. Um, should fair 00:27:50.150 --> 00:27:53.269 um, should contribute their fair share to the upkeep. 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.039 Um, the rate structure as is proposed, is inequitable. 00:27:57.049 --> 00:28:01.569 And my biggest concern is that what you're suggesting, and kind 00:28:01.569 --> 00:28:04.180 of what's on the table at the moment, would lock in 00:28:04.180 --> 00:28:07.599 this inequity forever. Um, and I just think that's 00:28:07.609 --> 00:28:11.599 completely contrary, to what you believe, um, and are 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.130 trying to achieve. So I asked for your consideration 00:28:14.130 --> 00:28:17.299 of these comments and thank you for the work that you 00:28:17.299 --> 00:28:20.440 put into this. Um, I know it's been a slog and it 00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:22.660 ain't over yet. So thank you very much, appreciate all 00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:28.430 your help. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. Our 00:28:28.430 --> 00:28:31.240 next caller is Melody Cridlock. You may go ahead. 00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:37.640 Melody Crislaw, Caramel. As a Callan ratepayer, I support 00:28:37.650 --> 00:28:40.329 the proposed decision authorizing the water purchase 00:28:40.329 --> 00:28:43.789 agreement for the pure water Monterrey expansion. Please 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.329 approve item four. This is an urgently needed water 00:28:47.329 --> 00:28:50.640 supply project, that will allow Callan to meet its Monterrey 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.160 district demand for decades to come. The pure water 00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.130 modern expansion stands in stark contrast to Callan's 00:28:57.130 --> 00:29:00.359 proposed diesel project. Which is expected to increase 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.970 our water bills by 60-70%. And provide far more water 00:29:04.970 --> 00:29:09.980 than we need. If approved, please compel Callan, to sign 00:29:09.980 --> 00:29:12.940 this water purchase agreement. Callan has been blocking 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:16.420 this project for over two years literally holding our 00:29:16.420 --> 00:29:20.329 community's water supply hostage. You are the only 00:29:20.329 --> 00:29:22.930 ones who can compel Callan to sign this agreement. 00:29:23.990 --> 00:29:28.220 This water project does not impact Salinas Valley groundwater. 00:29:28.230 --> 00:29:33.170 That is a false premise. Don't go for it. Thank you. 00:29:33.180 --> 00:29:40.170 Bye. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:29:40.170 --> 00:29:43.430 Our next caller is Lizbeth Fisher. You may go ahead. 00:29:44.410 --> 00:29:48.069 Good morning, Lizbeth Fisher, resident of Marina. Chair 00:29:48.069 --> 00:29:52.569 of Citizens for Just Water speaking to item four. Why 00:29:52.569 --> 00:29:56.309 is Callan, once again trying to stall the pure water 00:29:56.309 --> 00:29:59.440 Monterrey expansion project. Are they afraid it will 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.210 be successful? Please, please listen to Marina Coast 00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:06.890 Water District. The City of Marina, Monterrey One Water, 00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:10.349 Monterey Peninsula Water Management District, and public 00:30:10.349 --> 00:30:14.869 water. Now, who have all again, written requesting to approve 00:30:14.869 --> 00:30:17.849 the water purchase agreement. For this regional water 00:30:17.849 --> 00:30:23.140 supply project without further delay. Thank you. Thank 00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:27.640 you. Operator, next caller please. 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.299 Our next caller is Brett Olrick. You may go ahead. 00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:37.460 Hi, Hi. Brett Ehrlich, resident of San Carlos. I'm strongly 00:30:37.460 --> 00:30:40.700 against the NEM 3 proposal. That would make residential 00:30:40.700 --> 00:30:44.529 solar much more expensive. At a time when California, 00:30:44.539 --> 00:30:48.500 urgently needs to speed up efforts to reduce greenhouse gas 00:30:48.500 --> 00:30:52.930 emissions. This proposal if passed, would be a global 00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:56.579 embarrassment for California. And clearly conflicts 00:30:56.579 --> 00:30:59.500 with the goals of the recently passed Federal IRA 00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:04.019 Bill. California has aggressive clean energy goals, but 00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:07.740 still makes 40% of its electricity from fossil fuels. 00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:11.960 Waiting for new utility scale solar farms to be built 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.450 to fully address its problems won't work. We need more 00:31:15.450 --> 00:31:19.309 rooftop solar along with home battery storage. This 00:31:19.309 --> 00:31:22.900 distributed model would reduce electricity costs and 00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:25.670 give us the resiliency. They can handle peak energy 00:31:25.670 --> 00:31:29.660 demands without blackouts. The CPUC needs to develop 00:31:29.660 --> 00:31:33.369 a more equitable plan, that doesn't sacrifice the climate 00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:39.349 in order to ensure higher utility profits. Thank you. 00:31:39.349 --> 00:31:43.809 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:31:43.809 --> 00:31:46.430 Our next caller is Michael Moller. You may go ahead. 00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.750 Good morning Madam President and the Commission. My 00:31:50.750 --> 00:31:54.890 name is Mike Moller, Marina, California. I am speaking to item four. 00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:57.839 The proposed decision authorizing the amended water 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.990 purchase agreement for the Pure water Monterrey expansion. 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.250 Which I strongly support economically and environmentally 00:32:05.250 --> 00:32:08.789 preferred source of water. That can meet Callen Monterrey District customer 00:32:08.789 --> 00:32:13.150 now. And for years to come, the Pure water Monterrey 00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:15.440 expansion 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.200 proposed desalination project. That continues to face 00:32:18.210 --> 00:32:22.359 numerous legal obstacles, which will provide an unnecessary 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:26.279 and expensive water supply, if it's ever built. And will 00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.450 wrongly burn the community of Marina, which will receive 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:33.799 no benefit from the diesel project. Really, we need 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:39.599 to start working on recycling and stop sticking pipes 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.980 and new sources of water. And start thinking about how 00:32:42.980 --> 00:32:48.279 we use our water. And, and stick with what we got. Um, 00:32:48.289 --> 00:32:53.650 and stop feeding these (inaudible). 00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:57.529 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:32:57.529 --> 00:33:00.359 Our next caller is John De Kock. You may go ahead. 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:07.789 Hi, my name is John De Kock. I was a lifelong uh, 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.359 activist and employee for environmental organizations, 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.319 including 10 years as the Executive Director of the 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.509 Sierra Club Foundation. I spent my career, much of 00:33:16.509 --> 00:33:20.319 my career, working to get good public policy. To fight 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.789 climate change, and have been like most of us, frustrated 00:33:23.789 --> 00:33:29.039 by the lack of progress. Uh in 2022, Governor Newsom, 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:33.339 signed Legislation to move California, substantially 00:33:33.339 --> 00:33:36.509 forward on climate goals, that California needs and 00:33:36.509 --> 00:33:40.680 the planet needs. It's counterintuitive to think 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.789 that the Public Utilities Commission would approve 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:49.380 uh, net 3 um, in complete contradiction to 00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:53.309 those goals. It's one government agency working against 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.900 the will of the people. Um, the argument that PG&E, 00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:02.529 has additional unpaid 00:34:02.529 --> 00:34:06.170 expenses for the grid is (inaudible) 00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:12.289 And the uh, main problem PG&E has financially 00:34:12.289 --> 00:34:15.170 is that they are liable for the damage from wildfires. 00:34:15.170 --> 00:34:17.619 And it appears they're trying to make that money up. 00:34:17.630 --> 00:34:21.239 By charging solar users, for something that they should 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.780 not be charging for. This is bad public policy. It's 00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:30.019 not fair. It will, it will suppress the adoption of 00:34:30.019 --> 00:34:34.250 solar. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Uh, Operator, next caller 00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:36.630 please. 00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:41.269 Our next caller is Ami Berman. You may go ahead. 00:34:41.269 --> 00:34:44.300 Hi, my name is Ami Berman from San Diego. As I understand 00:34:44.300 --> 00:34:46.739 it, the responsibility of the California Public Utilities 00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:49.449 Commission, is to regulate services and utilities, protect 00:34:49.449 --> 00:34:52.320 consumers, safeguard the environment, and ensure Californians 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.170 have access to safe and reliable utility infrastructure 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:58.110 and services. Approving NEM 3.0, I would conflict 00:34:58.110 --> 00:35:00.579 with their responsibilities on all fronts. It would fail 00:35:00.579 --> 00:35:02.869 to protect consumers by raising rates for home and 00:35:02.869 --> 00:35:04.690 business owners. Who are already paying the highest 00:35:04.690 --> 00:35:06.909 rates in the country, with solar as their only option 00:35:06.909 --> 00:35:09.530 of escape from these absurd rates. It would damage 00:35:09.530 --> 00:35:11.519 the environment by discouraging new renewable energy 00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.769 development in the form of solar, which is of course 00:35:13.769 --> 00:35:16.960 100% renewable. Whereas the current California (inaudible) 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.650 is only 33.6% renewable. It would damage the existing 00:35:20.650 --> 00:35:23.000 infrastructure that call on home and businesses with 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.809 solar and storage in August of 2020. When the grid saw 00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:27.639 massive blackouts and could not address the energy 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.309 shortcomings. Utilities have proven time and time again 00:35:30.309 --> 00:35:32.630 that they will prioritize profits over their customers. 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.650 This time they're disguising their latest profit grab 00:35:34.659 --> 00:35:36.929 as an equity issue. We all know very well that any 00:35:36.929 --> 00:35:40.969 money raised from the proposed NEM 3.0, will not result 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:46.300 in um, (inaudible) non solar consumers, as it never 00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:49.239 has. It will only lead to higher utility profits at 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.170 the expense of solar owners and the environment. Thank 00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:57.519 you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.789 Our next caller is Beverly Deshell. You may go ahead. 00:36:03.429 --> 00:36:07.099 Hi, do I have to do something to a mute? We can 00:36:07.099 --> 00:36:10.489 hear you. Okay, thank you. This is Beverly Deshow, 00:36:10.489 --> 00:36:12.869 with the Electric Vehicle Association of Central Coast 00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:17.030 of California. Um, this proposal, this NEM 3 00:36:17.030 --> 00:36:19.849 proposal is outrageous. We thought you were going to 00:36:19.849 --> 00:36:22.389 go back to the drawing board and come up with something 00:36:22.389 --> 00:36:26.710 much more reasonable. The effect of this when the State 00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:31.329 is trying to reach its climate goals is just um, not 00:36:31.329 --> 00:36:37.369 workable. This will discourage the um, local clean energy. 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:40.440 That the people who are putting the clean energy on 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.429 their roofs, to provide for the whole grid is done at 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.550 their expense. The person from the senior group no, 00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:56.099 the benefits far outweigh any negligible amount that's 00:36:56.110 --> 00:37:02.610 uh, never mind. Um, I urge you to please not accept 00:37:02.619 --> 00:37:07.210 this proposal. To vote against it. The California's 00:37:07.219 --> 00:37:13.429 goals for increasing electric vehicles (inaudible) 00:37:13.429 --> 00:37:18.630 and electrifying the whole, the whole appliances. This 00:37:18.630 --> 00:37:22.730 goes completely counter to that. The costs of long distance 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:29.630 wires instead. It costs the ratepayers. Please 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.829 do not accept this. Thank you. Operator, next caller 00:37:33.829 --> 00:37:36.789 please. 00:37:36.789 --> 00:37:40.030 Our next caller is Ana Thompson. You may go ahead. 00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:44.369 Yes. Good morning. My name is Ana Thompson. I live 00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:48.050 in Carmel and as the Callan ratepayer. I strongly 00:37:48.050 --> 00:37:51.250 support the revised proposed decision authorizing the 00:37:51.250 --> 00:37:54.369 amended water purchase agreement for the Pure water 00:37:54.369 --> 00:37:58.250 Monterrey expansion project. The pure water Monterrey 00:37:58.250 --> 00:38:01.900 is a proven and sustainable model of water reuse and 00:38:01.900 --> 00:38:05.739 conservation. Pure water is now producing sufficient 00:38:05.739 --> 00:38:09.539 water to allow Callan to stop its illegal over drafting 00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:12.789 of the Carmel river. The expansion will provide the 00:38:12.789 --> 00:38:15.820 additional water needed to lift the cease and desist order 00:38:15.820 --> 00:38:19.579 of the Carmel river. It will allow new housing construction 00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:23.630 and most importantly, the expansion project is ready 00:38:23.630 --> 00:38:26.929 to be developed and put in operation in the shortest 00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:30.820 time possible. And at the lowest cost of any other potential 00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:36.250 water supply project. Please approve item four uh, and 00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:39.539 we can't afford any more delays. We need this water 00:38:39.550 --> 00:38:45.590 and, and this is the best project. Thank you very much. 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:50.440 Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye Operator, next caller 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.639 please. 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.440 Our next caller is Marianne Roda. You may go ahead. 00:38:58.550 --> 00:39:03.099 Thank you. Am I audible? Yes you are. Oh, thank you. 00:39:03.110 --> 00:39:05.420 Okay, hi again. As you mentioned, my name is Marianne 00:39:05.420 --> 00:39:08.840 Furta. I live with my solar rooftop panels in Berkeley. 00:39:08.849 --> 00:39:12.440 And also associated with 350 Bay Area. I thank you 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.210 for the opportunity to comment. As you might suspect, 00:39:15.219 --> 00:39:18.829 I also hold that the CPUC latest rooftop solar proposal 00:39:18.829 --> 00:39:22.230 is still too extreme. Other states have tried to reduce 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:28.250 the solar, the solar credit and 75% is frankly a suicidal 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:33.570 drop. Uh, solar adoption dropped by more than 50% after 00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:36.800 such foolhardy action was attempted elsewhere. If we 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.119 need to triple solar to eliminate the need for fossil 00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.929 fuel use, as the state Energy Commission mandates. That 00:39:43.929 --> 00:39:47.489 will not be able to happen only with large scale renewables. 00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:50.949 That's not to mention the negative impact on open spaces 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.579 required by large scale projects. Listen to the more 00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:58.679 than 150,000 people, asking you to make solar 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.360 more affordable, not less. So we can be a part of the 00:40:02.369 --> 00:40:06.619 solution. Please represent the public in your name 00:40:06.619 --> 00:40:09.489 California, (inaudible) 00:40:09.489 --> 00:40:15.400 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.030 Our next color is Anna Bergantino. You may go ahead. 00:40:19.809 --> 00:40:24.280 Okay, thank you. I'm Anna Bergantino from Marina, California. 00:40:24.289 --> 00:40:28.989 And I want addressing item four on the agenda. As an 00:40:28.989 --> 00:40:32.710 area of land that typically receives less than 10" 00:40:32.710 --> 00:40:36.820 of precipitation a year. Most of California is by definition 00:40:36.829 --> 00:40:40.949 a desert, and as we all know prone to drought. As such 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.349 every drop of water is precious. Therefore I strongly 00:40:44.349 --> 00:40:48.469 support and urge you to approve item four. Revised proposed 00:40:48.469 --> 00:40:52.500 decision, authorizing the amended water purchase agreement 00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:56.449 for the pure water Monterrey expansion project. This 00:40:56.449 --> 00:41:00.269 project is needed now actually, it was needed yesterday. 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.590 It is an economical and less environmentally burdensome 00:41:03.590 --> 00:41:07.170 alternative to desalination plant. Many of which 00:41:07.170 --> 00:41:10.230 may not be operational for years to come. There is 00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:13.690 no time to waste in giving Californians this reasonable 00:41:13.690 --> 00:41:17.260 and needed option to help me meet its water needs. 00:41:17.269 --> 00:41:21.480 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.349 The next caller is Yana Young. You may go ahead. Hello, 00:41:28.349 --> 00:41:32.110 my name is Yana Young. I moved to the Monterrey peninsula 00:41:32.110 --> 00:41:36.059 in 1972, because of the natural beauty. I've been a 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:41.449 resident of Marina California since 2010. I'm in favor 00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:46.150 of the PWM Expansion from Monterrey County, item 00:41:46.150 --> 00:41:49.880 number four. It's a timely, economical and important 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.570 facet of our water management needs. Allowing the 00:41:53.570 --> 00:41:57.639 PWM Expansion project to move forward, is good for 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.199 all of our communities. It is at the very least a solution 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:06.119 while we consider desalination. I'm not against desal, 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.099 but to incur damage and burden on one community. To 00:42:10.099 --> 00:42:14.630 repair one that was previously damaged, makes no sense. 00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:18.800 This is a moment to preserve natural space and utilize 00:42:18.809 --> 00:42:24.130 less damaging technologies. Please approve item four. 00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:28.219 I echo all of the other people that have spoken. That 00:42:28.230 --> 00:42:33.349 approve of this. 00:42:33.349 --> 00:42:38.360 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.710 Our next caller is Robin Radzinsky. You may go ahead. 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.469 Hi, I'm Robin Radzinsky, a resident of Marina. And I'm 00:42:48.469 --> 00:42:51.780 calling about item number four. The revised proposal 00:42:51.780 --> 00:42:54.889 decision authorizing the amended water purchase agreement 00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:59.079 for the pure water Monterrey expansion project. I strongly 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:03.380 strongly support it. It is economically and environmentally 00:43:03.389 --> 00:43:07.050 more sound than building a desal plant. Where there 00:43:07.050 --> 00:43:10.090 are many endangered species of animals and plants. 00:43:10.309 --> 00:43:14.889 Um, with this really would do a lot of damage to Marina. 00:43:14.889 --> 00:43:19.030 And Marina would not benefit from it at all. So please 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:23.960 support uh, the agreement and have Callan and sign it. 00:43:23.969 --> 00:43:28.440 So we don't get that nasty desal plant built on our 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.179 land. Thank you. 00:43:31.179 --> 00:43:36.039 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:45.099 Our next caller is Tom Lent. You may go ahead. 00:43:45.099 --> 00:43:46.989 And Tom Lent, we're not able to hear you. Please check 00:43:46.989 --> 00:43:49.420 your mute button. 00:43:49.420 --> 00:43:53.150 Hello, Tom Linton, an Energy Analyst from Berkeley. I strongly 00:43:53.150 --> 00:43:55.969 object to the latest NEM. Utility scale renewables 00:43:55.969 --> 00:43:59.369 alone will not save us. We need to rapidly expand rooftop 00:43:59.369 --> 00:44:02.949 solar to avoid climate catastrophe. NEM 3.0 00:44:02.949 --> 00:44:05.260 gets it backwards. Still making it impossible for low 00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:08.340 and middle income people to afford solar. I'm (inaudible) 00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:11.289 rates. We need them but don't selectively punish solar. 00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:13.539 Only apply them to solar households, when you apply 00:44:13.539 --> 00:44:16.710 them to all accounts. Solar buyback rate. The avoided 00:44:16.710 --> 00:44:19.340 cost calculations are biased against decentralized 00:44:19.349 --> 00:44:22.190 generation. Undervaluing both infrastructure and community 00:44:22.190 --> 00:44:25.400 resilience benefits. Further, they failed to prove the 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.239 cost shift theory. If there is indeed a problem of 00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:30.630 stranded low-income customers paying more for grid 00:44:30.630 --> 00:44:36.940 services, a rate based program that destroyed 00:44:36.940 --> 00:44:41.309 disastrous direct victory. Making NEM that properly 00:44:41.309 --> 00:44:44.909 values and incentivize, decentralization and increased 00:44:44.909 --> 00:44:48.480 resiliency in our grid. Deports the acceleration of rooftop 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.130 solar and accelerates the participation of more low 00:44:51.130 --> 00:44:57.449 and middle income households. 00:44:57.449 --> 00:45:01.980 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. Our next caller 00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:08.260 is Luis Portillo. You may go ahead. Hi, this is Luis Portillo with 00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:10.599 the San Gabriel Valley Economic Partnership. I wanted 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:14.019 to express concerns over the NEM proposal, specifically 00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:16.429 two things. That the cost ship could still continues. 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.070 It is a system that allows for low-income and middle 00:45:19.070 --> 00:45:22.190 income Californians to subsidize rooftop solar for 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.969 upper middle class and rich folks. You know, if you 00:45:24.969 --> 00:45:26.949 really want to address this, if everybody wants to claim 00:45:26.949 --> 00:45:29.039 that it just to help low and middle income people, 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.269 then fine put a cap. If you can afford a $3 million home, 00:45:32.269 --> 00:45:33.849 shouldn't you be able to afford to install your own 00:45:33.849 --> 00:45:36.900 solar without subsidies. Put a cap as to what the maximum 00:45:36.900 --> 00:45:39.630 valuable home could be, in order for introducing subsidies. 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.659 Additionally, the city is investing billions to fight 00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:45.199 climate change, which is great. We need to do that. 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.440 We're committed to that, but we're not required that 00:45:47.449 --> 00:45:51.039 any or any of those tools and technologies like solar 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.039 rooftop panels being manufactured in California. You 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.079 have an opportunity right now to say, hey, if you're 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.010 buying rooftop solar panels that are manufactured in 00:45:58.010 --> 00:46:00.409 California or from a company who has manufactured presence 00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:03.099 in California, we will provide you a greater incentive. 00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:05.610 And if we don't, we'll provide you a less one. We need 00:46:05.610 --> 00:46:08.619 to start making a change. So that we can say in building 00:46:08.619 --> 00:46:14.219 a manufacturing green sector. Thank you. Thank you. 00:46:14.230 --> 00:46:18.739 Operator, next caller please. 00:46:18.739 --> 00:46:22.739 Our next caller is Cindy Owen. You may go ahead. Madam 00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:24.989 President and Members of the Commission. I am Cindy 00:46:24.989 --> 00:46:27.420 Owens, Civil Affairs Program Manager for the City of 00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:30.239 Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills does not have its own 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.309 power company. So we rely solely on Southern California 00:46:33.309 --> 00:46:36.219 Edison to deliver power reliably to our residents. 00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:38.969 Unfortunately, the delivery of power to our residents 00:46:38.969 --> 00:46:41.269 and especially those living in Trousdale Estates has 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:45.010 significantly declined. We believe this is due to deteriorating 00:46:45.010 --> 00:46:48.159 infrastructure, which SCE has failed to invest money 00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.409 into maintaining. With a proper investment of resources, 00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:54.630 the almost monthly power outages could be significantly 00:46:54.630 --> 00:46:57.110 reduced as many of these outages are due to equipment 00:46:57.110 --> 00:47:00.449 failure. We are deeply concerned that SCE, is not being 00:47:00.449 --> 00:47:02.900 required to fund their infrastructure to make consumer 00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:05.440 demands. These demands are only increased over the 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.750 next decade, as the State is calling for all electric 00:47:07.750 --> 00:47:11.300 vehicles by 2035. And requiring new buildings to become 00:47:11.300 --> 00:47:14.250 more reliable on clean electricity. I'm here today 00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:18.469 to ask you and demand greater responsibility by SCE. 00:47:18.469 --> 00:47:21.929 To provide reliable power to our residents. The 00:47:21.929 --> 00:47:26.170 Commission should require SCE to rehab and rehabilitate their distribution 00:47:26.170 --> 00:47:30.179 system. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller 00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:34.630 please. Our next caller is John McPherson. You may 00:47:34.630 --> 00:47:37.369 go ahead. 00:47:37.369 --> 00:47:40.659 Good morning. I'm John McPherson. I'm the Executive 00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:44.389 Director for Sustainable AG& Energy in Monterrey County. 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:49.809 I'm speaking on item four. I concur with the other 00:47:49.809 --> 00:47:53.449 callers that we would like to see that project move 00:47:53.449 --> 00:47:56.539 forward. But it is very important to remember there 00:47:56.539 --> 00:48:00.670 are two parties to this, and the key is to get it 00:48:00.670 --> 00:48:05.860 to move forward. So all parties needs need to be accounted 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:10.230 for, so we can make progress on this. In Monterrey County, 00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:13.230 we have fought more than we have solved our water problems, 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:17.610 and that needs to stop. Thank you very much. Thank 00:48:17.610 --> 00:48:22.000 you. Operator, next caller please. 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.010 Our next caller is Troy Cecala. You may go ahead. 00:48:27.010 --> 00:48:30.630 Good morning, Commissioners. I'm speaking to item four. 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.289 The revised proposed decision authorizing the amended 00:48:33.289 --> 00:48:35.360 water purchase agreement for the pure water Monterrey 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.480 expansion project, I absolutely support. Pure water 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.789 Monterrey expansion project is an important part in 00:48:41.789 --> 00:48:44.750 the State waters portfolio. In order to achieve Governor 00:48:44.750 --> 00:48:48.690 Newsom's 1.8 million acre feet of year of recycled 00:48:48.690 --> 00:48:52.210 water by 2040. California needs more projects like pure 00:48:52.210 --> 00:48:55.349 water Monterrey expansion. Pure water Monterrey expansion, 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.190 compared to Callan's proposed desalination project 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.630 has already numerous legal challenges. It will provide 00:49:01.630 --> 00:49:04.469 an expensive and redundant water supply, if it's ever 00:49:04.469 --> 00:49:08.210 built. And will wrongly oppress Marina, a disadvantaged 00:49:08.210 --> 00:49:11.079 community, which will receive no benefit from the desal 00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:14.510 project. Thank you. 00:49:14.510 --> 00:49:18.980 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. Our next caller 00:49:18.980 --> 00:49:23.469 is Alexander Henson. You may go ahead. 00:49:23.469 --> 00:49:28.349 Yes. Um, my name is Alexander Henson from Carmel Valley. 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.050 I'm the, was the Chairman of the Board of the Directors 00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:35.070 of the Monterey Peninsula Water Management District 00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:41.130 in 2000-2003. Uh, and I was Chairman of the Board only 00:49:41.130 --> 00:49:45.809 in 2003. We were pursuing a desal plant for the Monterrey 00:49:45.809 --> 00:49:50.460 Peninsula, which Callan opposed. Now, they still seem 00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:54.800 to be opposing any alternative to their desal plant, 00:49:54.809 --> 00:50:00.650 which is just wrong. Um, please approve on item four. 00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:06.340 The proposed decision, uh, requiring Callan, authorizing 00:50:06.340 --> 00:50:11.460 Callan to enter into the water purchase agreement. We 00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:15.949 need that water now. There may be a day when we need 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.530 the desal plant. This is not that day. Thank you. 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:26.280 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.159 Our next caller is Amber Woodworth. You may go ahead. 00:50:31.030 --> 00:50:37.070 Hello, Can you hear me? Yes, you can. Thank you. I 00:50:37.070 --> 00:50:40.190 am Amber Woodworth from Rise Energy. My husband and 00:50:40.190 --> 00:50:42.730 crew install, customer owned solar and battery storage 00:50:42.730 --> 00:50:46.150 systems in Humboldt County, California. Thank you for 00:50:46.150 --> 00:50:49.210 listening to the California public, which overwhelmingly 00:50:49.210 --> 00:50:51.679 supports rooftop solar and locally controlled energy 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.019 generation. Thank you for the improvements to the NEM 00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:58.130 3 proposal, but NEM 3 still needs an effective 00:50:58.130 --> 00:51:01.829 glide path. I don't want to believe you would choose 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.380 to kill the solar market, but the proposed solar cliff 00:51:04.389 --> 00:51:06.570 will kill the market. Just like it did in the other 00:51:06.570 --> 00:51:10.719 states. Please amend the proposed decision and approve 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.500 an effective gentle glide path, no solar cliff. Commissioners, 00:51:15.510 --> 00:51:18.809 your decision on NEM 3, will either give more power 00:51:18.809 --> 00:51:21.690 to the growing utility monopolies or literally give 00:51:21.690 --> 00:51:25.329 power to the people. Please listen to the public, not 00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:28.159 the utilities. 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.619 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:39.539 Our next caller is Jean King. You may go ahead. 00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:42.210 Good morning. This is Jean King. I live in Livermore, 00:51:42.210 --> 00:51:47.579 California. I have solar panels on my house and I believe 00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:50.940 that it's the best way to go. We know we have a 00:51:50.949 --> 00:51:56.260 climate crisis. That has been exasperated by the war 00:51:56.269 --> 00:52:02.190 in Ukraine and the taking away of energy, with the um 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:07.269 Russia. We need to produce more renewable energy. We 00:52:07.269 --> 00:52:10.960 need to get it where we can, that it does no harm. 00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:17.309 Having distributed solar on homes, is the best way to do it. 00:52:18.139 --> 00:52:21.469 It does not require a lot of infrastructure to bring 00:52:21.469 --> 00:52:25.070 the power from far distances. It produces the power 00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:30.449 directly, where it's used on top of homes and industry. 00:52:30.460 --> 00:52:35.760 parking lots and in distributive areas. We must increase 00:52:35.769 --> 00:52:42.110 our distributed solar. This NEM proposal will decrease it. 00:52:44.090 --> 00:52:49.349 Thank you for my comments, bye. Thank you. Operator, next 00:52:49.349 --> 00:52:53.750 caller please. Our next caller is Nadine Purking. 00:52:54.050 --> 00:52:58.079 You may go ahead. Hi, my name is Nadine Paverkane. 00:52:58.090 --> 00:53:01.360 I'm the President of Ask Me, (inaudible) Federation 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:04.739 of State County and Municipal Employees Retirees Chapter 00:53:04.739 --> 00:53:09.570 57. We oppose cuts to the solar credits. A disincentive 00:53:09.579 --> 00:53:13.349 to moving forward. Please don't kill the rooftops solar movement. 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.170 And by the way, California Alliance for retired Americans, 00:53:17.179 --> 00:53:20.500 over one million members. Has also gone on record, as 00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:23.880 opposing solar disincentives. These cuts to solar 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.480 credits do that. Thank you for allowing us to speak, 00:53:27.579 --> 00:53:32.369 and please hear us. Thank you. Operator, next caller 00:53:32.369 --> 00:53:38.119 please. 00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:43.010 And our next caller is Barry Ho. You may go ahead. 00:53:43.010 --> 00:53:46.480 Yes, Commissioners. I am puzzled about the rationale the Commission 00:53:46.489 --> 00:53:52.510 uses for NEM 3 proposal that slash solar credit by 75%. 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:56.199 According to the information on CPUC website is saying 00:53:56.199 --> 00:54:00.190 the non low-income household without (inaudible) pay 100 to 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:04.239 $234 more per year. I presume that is the cost ship 00:54:04.250 --> 00:54:07.110 If so why did the Commission (inaudible) provisions in the 00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:10.670 proposal. To require utilities to reduce the rate or 00:54:10.670 --> 00:54:13.920 refund regular ratepayers, to give that value back to 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.000 the regular ratepayers. Deliver the cost if there is 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:20.880 really a cost ship. The CPUC website also states, the 00:54:20.889 --> 00:54:24.449 proposed entry with 5 to 600 million to support clean energy 00:54:24.449 --> 00:54:28.489 for low-income. I presume that 100 million from the 00:54:28.489 --> 00:54:32.320 cost ship or a part of it. If so the proposal does 00:54:32.329 --> 00:54:35.809 not address the cost ship issue. It merely transfer the cost ship 00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:40.050 from one group to another. Regular non low-income rate 00:54:40.230 --> 00:54:43.519 still distracted or perhaps it's called shift series 00:54:43.530 --> 00:54:49.480 is just a fabrication. 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:56.869 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:54:56.869 --> 00:55:00.880 And our next caller is Nancy Evos. You may go ahead 00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:08.159 Hi, my name is Iante Evos. Um, I live in Los Angeles. Thank 00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.710 you Members of the Commission for hearing our comment. 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.909 I'm gonna echo a lot of the previous callers and say 00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:19.030 that I am calling to ask you to vote against the NEM 3 00:55:19.030 --> 00:55:24.570 proposal. Um, the cuts are just too extreme. Um, we 00:55:24.570 --> 00:55:27.000 all know that we're in a climate crisis. California 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.849 has been impacted very dramatically by it. And we need 00:55:30.849 --> 00:55:35.019 to be incentivizing people to um, continue to build 00:55:35.019 --> 00:55:38.909 roof solar. And quite frankly, where cuts such as this 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.769 or proposals such as this has been enacted. We've seen 00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:46.530 solar adoption drop off a cliff and we um, I'm urging 00:55:46.530 --> 00:55:50.050 you not to make that a reality in California. Thank 00:55:50.050 --> 00:55:55.420 you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:55:55.420 --> 00:55:58.260 Our next caller is Tammy Jennings. You may go ahead. 00:56:00.369 --> 00:56:03.909 Hello, my name is Tammy Jennings and I am speaking 00:56:03.909 --> 00:56:08.139 on item number four. Revised proposed decision authorizing 00:56:08.139 --> 00:56:11.340 the amended water purchase agreement for the Pure water 00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:16.789 Monterrey Pure water expansion project. Which I strongly 00:56:16.789 --> 00:56:20.179 support. It is an economically and environmentally 00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:24.000 preferred and timely source of water supply. That can 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:28.039 meet Callan's Monterrey District customer demand now. 00:56:28.050 --> 00:56:32.349 And for years to come, decades to come. The Pure water 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.820 Monterrey expansion project stands in stark contrast 00:56:35.829 --> 00:56:39.030 to the Callan's proposed desalinization project. That 00:56:39.030 --> 00:56:42.239 continues to face numerous legal obstacles, which will 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.650 provide an unnecessary and expensive water supply, even 00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:50.079 if it is built. And will strongly burden the environmental 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.960 justice community of Marina, which will receive no 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:56.340 benefit from the desal project. And it will increase 00:56:56.349 --> 00:57:00.400 the Monterrey Peninsula client, clientele's bills by 00:57:00.409 --> 00:57:04.699 50 to 70%. 00:57:04.699 --> 00:57:07.539 I (inaudible) Callan to sign the water purchase agreement. Please 00:57:07.539 --> 00:57:13.780 help us. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. Our 00:57:13.780 --> 00:57:19.130 next caller is Connor Everett. You may go ahead. Thank 00:57:19.130 --> 00:57:22.559 you very much. Connor Everts, calling in from Santa Monica, 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.739 California. Where my wife worked for years on solar 00:57:27.750 --> 00:57:31.440 to get independence from Southern California Edison, till 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.059 she retired. Do the right thing, set some priorities. 00:57:36.820 --> 00:57:42.300 Provide equity for all communities by maximizing um 00:57:42.309 --> 00:57:45.480 the incentives. I would hate to see this go backwards. 00:57:45.489 --> 00:57:48.670 Um, I work on water issues. I also want to make a 00:57:48.670 --> 00:57:53.429 parallel to the need for the recycled water item four, 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.079 not hold this item. There's a priority first things 00:57:57.090 --> 00:58:01.579 first, and not the desal plant. These are both environmental 00:58:01.579 --> 00:58:04.230 and environmental justice issues. Thank you very much. 00:58:05.989 --> 00:58:10.530 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 00:58:10.530 --> 00:58:13.670 Our next caller is Danette Abbott-Wicker. You may go 00:58:13.670 --> 00:58:17.800 ahead. Hi, can you hear me? 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.940 Sorry Operator? You're cutting out. Oh, no could 00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:25.469 you, could you repeat the name of the caller? Can you hear me? 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.000 Danette Abbott-Wicker? You may go ahead. Can you hear 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:29.929 me? 00:58:29.929 --> 00:58:37.110 I'm here, can you hear me? You may go ahead. 00:58:37.110 --> 00:58:41.010 Sorry, I still didn't hear you. Can you hear me? 00:58:41.010 --> 00:58:45.469 Try now? Hello. Yes, we can hear you. 00:58:45.469 --> 00:58:49.610 Can you hear me? Okay, thank you. My name is Danette Abbott-Wicker, and 00:58:49.610 --> 00:58:52.539 live in the city of Orange. I can't believe we're still 00:58:52.539 --> 00:58:55.519 fighting this. That's how greed works. It never 00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:58.510 sleeps and neither do we, the people. How do you think 00:58:58.510 --> 00:59:00.809 you're going to survive in your bunker, when our earth 00:59:00.809 --> 00:59:04.750 is dead? You can't eat money. The CPUC's latest rooftop 00:59:04.750 --> 00:59:08.400 solar proposal is still too extreme. Heading the solar 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.269 credit by 75% overnight is not a glide path. It's a 00:59:12.269 --> 00:59:15.599 cliff. We know that because other states have done 00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.960 this and it, uh, solar adoptions dropped by half or 00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:22.570 more, when that happens. Please listen to the public. 00:59:22.579 --> 00:59:26.860 That's what your name says, California Public Utilities 00:59:26.869 --> 00:59:30.800 Commission, not the utilities. Stop, stop giving in 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.389 to their greed. You've already heard from over 00:59:33.389 --> 00:59:37.190 150,000 people and more than 600 nonprofit groups 00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:41.130 city schools and businesses. We need more affordable 00:59:41.139 --> 00:59:44.980 solar, not less. If we're gonna hit our goal. Consumers 00:59:44.980 --> 00:59:47.280 should be able to control their energy bills. We're getting 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.090 harmed by endless rate hikes. Consumers should be able 00:59:50.090 --> 00:59:54.010 to control their energy bills, and not be penalized for it. Especially if you're expected 00:59:54.010 --> 00:59:56.840 to switch to electric cars and appliances. Thank you. 00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:00.050 Thank you. 01:00:00.050 --> 01:00:04.380 Operator, next caller please. 01:00:04.380 --> 01:00:10.210 Our next caller is Sarah Lu, you may go ahead. Hi, 01:00:10.219 --> 01:00:15.559 can you hear me? No, I can't hear you. We can hear 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:21.859 you, yes. Okay. I'm calling from West L.A, against 01:00:21.870 --> 01:00:25.920 NEM 3. Like the previous caller, it's really beyond 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.409 me, that we have to come before you all again. To state 01:00:29.409 --> 01:00:33.529 this in your face obvious point. That charging people 01:00:33.529 --> 01:00:36.760 for the privilege of feeding into the energy grid is 01:00:36.769 --> 01:00:40.900 bold-faced profit mongering. A public utility is 01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:44.040 incentivized by the same reductive motive as any corporate 01:00:44.040 --> 01:00:47.180 entity. Why is the Public Commission a party to this 01:00:47.190 --> 01:00:52.180 subversion? It's a cynical ruse parading the demise 01:00:52.180 --> 01:00:56.040 of rooftop solar as an equity issue. If you're worried 01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:58.949 about disenfranchising the poor from our best chance 01:00:58.949 --> 01:01:01.890 hope of addressing climate change through energy reform. 01:01:01.890 --> 01:01:05.140 Them subsidized distributed rooftop solar at a more 01:01:05.140 --> 01:01:08.399 progressive rate, not less, as the previous caller pointed 01:01:08.399 --> 01:01:12.259 out. And don't pretend dismantling this vital program 01:01:12.259 --> 01:01:16.959 has some social merit. Please do not axe the rooftop 01:01:16.959 --> 01:01:20.580 solar credit, and while you're at it. Do not let PG&E, 01:01:20.580 --> 01:01:24.239 exit set one of their enhanced oversight and enforcement. 01:01:25.190 --> 01:01:30.200 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:36.340 Our next caller is Mike Volk, you may go ahead. Hello, 01:01:36.340 --> 01:01:39.899 my name is Mike Volk. We put solar on our Oakland home, 01:01:39.899 --> 01:01:43.830 12 years ago. As an engineer and environmentalist, I've 01:01:43.830 --> 01:01:46.780 watched our planet heat up and approach a tipping point 01:01:46.789 --> 01:01:50.429 in carbon emissions. I'm proud of California's leadership 01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:54.090 and reducing emissions. Greatly aided by rooftop solar. 01:01:54.399 --> 01:01:59.200 The CPUC's NEM 3 proposal greatly disincentivizes new 01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:02.560 rooftop solar. The wrong direction for California to 01:02:02.560 --> 01:02:06.280 continue to lead against climate change. If you cut 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.800 the solar credit for new systems by 75% or more, as 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:13.450 planned, new solar adoptions will drop significantly. 01:02:13.459 --> 01:02:16.269 Other states have tried this and new adoptions have 01:02:16.269 --> 01:02:20.149 dropped by half or more. Besides helping to slow rooftop 01:02:20.160 --> 01:02:24.200 climate change, rooftop solar has many other advantages. 01:02:24.209 --> 01:02:27.880 Protection against blackouts, more jobs in the State, 01:02:27.890 --> 01:02:30.929 and reducing the need for expensive long distance power 01:02:30.929 --> 01:02:35.019 lines. If the CPUC cares about equity, you should 01:02:35.019 --> 01:02:38.469 work to help more people get solar, not taken away from 01:02:38.469 --> 01:02:41.309 the lower, middle, and working class. Thank you very 01:02:41.309 --> 01:02:46.920 much. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.320 Our next caller is Heather Hashi. You may go ahead. 01:02:51.369 --> 01:02:56.439 Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. My 01:02:56.439 --> 01:02:59.910 name is Heather Hashi and I live down in San Diego. And my family 01:02:59.910 --> 01:03:03.550 is one of the ones, that has lost a home to the 01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:05.809 power line that came down and started a wildfire down 01:03:05.809 --> 01:03:09.920 here. And so I'm very, very passionate about rooftop 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.089 solar, not just because of its way, it can mitigate 01:03:13.100 --> 01:03:15.779 wildfire risks. But also because, I also have family 01:03:15.779 --> 01:03:18.899 members who have devices that they need power to stay 01:03:18.899 --> 01:03:21.880 alive. The Utility Commissions, you know, turn off 01:03:21.890 --> 01:03:24.110 the power to try to save the wildfires, which makes 01:03:24.110 --> 01:03:28.499 sense. But that's not a way forward for actual power 01:03:28.499 --> 01:03:31.029 that works. We need power, to power medical devices 01:03:31.029 --> 01:03:33.779 and other things. And I've been saving up for years 01:03:33.790 --> 01:03:36.480 and I will never be able to afford solar, if this proposal 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:41.249 goes through. So please, please think about supporting 01:03:41.249 --> 01:03:45.420 solar. As a, the most responsible way to get power to 01:03:45.429 --> 01:03:49.459 people in California. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, 01:03:49.469 --> 01:03:54.529 next caller please. Our next caller is Karen Anderson. 01:03:54.540 --> 01:03:58.820 You may go ahead. Good afternoon, Commissioners and 01:03:58.820 --> 01:04:03.519 all. I'm Karen Anderson of Marina and I request you 01:04:03.529 --> 01:04:06.929 support the revised proposed decision authorizing the 01:04:06.929 --> 01:04:10.070 amended water purchasing agreement, for the pure water 01:04:10.070 --> 01:04:13.350 Monterrey expansion project. Please approve item four. 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.900 Also, I oppose NEM 3, and ask that you support 01:04:17.900 --> 01:04:21.300 solar panels and batteries by reinstating incentives, 01:04:21.309 --> 01:04:25.220 not the opposite. When I was a child and Earth Day was 01:04:25.220 --> 01:04:29.290 a new event. Um, I remember that my parents were being 01:04:29.290 --> 01:04:32.879 told by PG&E, that the electricity generated by 01:04:32.879 --> 01:04:37.509 the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant, would be too 01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:40.660 cheap to meter. And look where we are all these years 01:04:40.670 --> 01:04:44.460 later. Please care about California's green energy 01:04:44.460 --> 01:04:48.800 and water needs. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.030 caller please. 01:04:52.030 --> 01:04:55.389 Our next caller is Nadia Montas. You may go ahead. 01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:59.819 Hi, I'm Nadia Mumtaz and I'm a high school student 01:04:59.829 --> 01:05:02.910 from Orange County. I'm speaking on behalf of the Bishop's 01:05:02.910 --> 01:05:05.379 Commission on Climate Change, which represents over 01:05:05.389 --> 01:05:09.710 800,000 Episcopalians in the Diocese of L.A. To reject 01:05:09.720 --> 01:05:14.300 the CPUC's rooftop solar proposal. The proposal is 01:05:14.300 --> 01:05:16.790 particularly upsetting to the faith community, because 01:05:16.790 --> 01:05:20.999 of the inequity injustice issues, it will cause. Middle 01:05:20.999 --> 01:05:23.650 and working class Californians, will no longer be able 01:05:23.650 --> 01:05:27.360 to afford solar panels. They will be left behind and 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.160 disadvantaged in the move towards sustainable energy. 01:05:30.170 --> 01:05:32.949 This is a matter of equity. We need to fight climate 01:05:32.949 --> 01:05:35.679 change with all Californians in mind, not just the 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.170 wealthy. We need to make solar energy more accessible, 01:05:39.179 --> 01:05:42.139 not less. And we need to consider the good of the people 01:05:42.139 --> 01:05:45.100 and the planet, not pressures from utility companies. 01:05:45.110 --> 01:05:49.619 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:57.119 Our next caller is Kelly Hammer, Hammergrin. You may 01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:01.420 go ahead. Okay, can you hear me okay? Yes, we can. 01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:07.079 Okay, thank you. We have so many callers. Um, 01:06:07.090 --> 01:06:11.009 my name is Kelly Hammergrin. I live in Berkeley. And 01:06:11.020 --> 01:06:14.569 just as we hear holding the global increase in temperature 01:06:14.569 --> 01:06:19.220 rise to 1.5 degrees centigrade is slipping away. I 01:06:19.220 --> 01:06:24.340 watched the 2006 film "Inconvenient Truth," once again. 01:06:24.770 --> 01:06:27.980 If we are going to meet our goals to reduce greenhouse 01:06:27.980 --> 01:06:31.920 gases, electrify our infrastructure, and protect open 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:37.079 space, we need to expand rooftop solar in our cities. 01:06:37.090 --> 01:06:41.689 To save open space and rural carol, rural California. 01:06:41.699 --> 01:06:44.970 I find it hard to believe that we are not doing everything 01:06:44.970 --> 01:06:49.819 possible, to encourage and increase rooftop solar. I'm 01:06:49.819 --> 01:06:52.860 disappointed that you are not seeking to increase the 01:06:52.860 --> 01:06:56.369 reimbursement for net metering. To increase rooftop 01:06:56.369 --> 01:06:59.660 solar and are instead looking to cut solar credit, 01:06:59.670 --> 01:07:03.389 net metering reimbursement. And I want to thank you 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:08.350 so much for letting me comment. 01:07:08.350 --> 01:07:13.679 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.460 Our next caller is Danielle Johnson. You may go ahead. 01:07:18.350 --> 01:07:21.749 Commissioners, Good morning. My name is Dan Johnson. 01:07:21.759 --> 01:07:25.129 I'm the owner of a solar company in Eureka. NEM 3 01:07:25.129 --> 01:07:27.590 in its current form, will be the greatest reduction 01:07:27.590 --> 01:07:30.710 to net metering in US History. It will eliminate 01:07:30.720 --> 01:07:33.280 all incentives for middle and lower income homeowners, 01:07:33.290 --> 01:07:36.720 to choose clean energy. These folks by solar with loans 01:07:36.730 --> 01:07:39.569 not cash, which enables adoption by a much greater 01:07:39.569 --> 01:07:42.460 number of people. Under NEM 3, solar will never 01:07:42.460 --> 01:07:45.860 again pencil out for these (inaudible). 01:07:45.860 --> 01:07:48.410 Six years ago, the State of Nevada made a smaller cut 01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:51.970 to net metering, and saw an alarming 47% reduction in 01:07:51.970 --> 01:07:55.179 residential solar installation. If this governing body 01:07:55.179 --> 01:07:58.119 approves NEM 3, it will cause solar industry layoffs 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.800 and similar percentages. And ensure that California 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.309 does not reach its goal tripling solar installations 01:08:03.319 --> 01:08:07.020 by 2035. All because of pressure from just three 01:08:07.020 --> 01:08:09.900 profit driven companies. The State of California is 01:08:09.910 --> 01:08:12.590 being held hostage by utility greed, and you are the 01:08:12.590 --> 01:08:15.059 only people with the power to stop this madness. Please 01:08:15.059 --> 01:08:17.340 represent the public's best interest in your decision. 01:08:17.350 --> 01:08:21.569 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.939 Our next caller is Katherine Beers. You may go ahead. 01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:30.139 Hi, my name is Katherine Beers. (inaudible) capacity 01:08:30.139 --> 01:08:32.890 is a (inaudible) resident. Here to say no on NEM 3. 01:08:32.890 --> 01:08:36.240 I've lived in multiple years in Orange Skies, 01:08:36.250 --> 01:08:39.219 (inaudible) caused fire to smoke the air, and I'm tired 01:08:39.219 --> 01:08:42.760 of it. Green to climate change now. In the latest (inaudible) 01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:46.589 is too extreme. Supposedly cut solar by (inaudible) 01:08:46.589 --> 01:08:50.040 credits will kill our jobs and climate goals. First, 01:08:50.040 --> 01:08:52.939 I'm also a California renter looking at buying a home, 01:08:52.949 --> 01:08:55.740 and helping to make it greener (inaudible) solar panel, 01:08:55.949 --> 01:08:58.949 It would affect my cost of living as essential future 01:08:58.949 --> 01:09:02.859 solar panel power user. And second about equity, if 01:09:02.859 --> 01:09:05.219 you want to care about equity, help when people get 01:09:05.229 --> 01:09:07.250 solar. And taking away from the middle and the working 01:09:07.250 --> 01:09:09.859 class. (inaudible) their energy bills, 01:09:09.870 --> 01:09:13.550 were (inaudible) to endless rate hikes. Third, people 01:09:13.550 --> 01:09:16.630 need to be able to switch to electric cars and appliances, 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:20.059 but not have to deal with making higher energy bills. 01:09:20.069 --> 01:09:22.949 from (inaudible) 01:09:22.949 --> 01:09:25.079 require new homes to have solar and then turn around 01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.270 and tax that panels. (inaudible) actually unfair to consumers and 01:09:28.270 --> 01:09:31.140 harms everyday person. 01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:35.120 So much for listening and please say no on NEM 3. Thank 01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:40.650 you. Operator, next caller please. 01:09:40.650 --> 01:09:46.410 And the next caller is Mary Rose Petroski. I live, I live 01:09:46.410 --> 01:09:49.290 in uh, Mendocino County, on the north coast in Fort 01:09:49.290 --> 01:09:53.020 Bragg. Transition to a low carbon sustainable future 01:09:53.020 --> 01:09:57.170 requires bold action. And the CPUC's latest rooftop 01:09:57.179 --> 01:10:00.390 solar proposal is still too extreme, and undermines 01:10:00.390 --> 01:10:04.010 California's clean energy goals. A State Energy Commissioner, 01:10:04.270 --> 01:10:06.780 says we need to triple the amount of solar. To get off 01:10:06.780 --> 01:10:10.329 fossil fuels, with both large scale and rooftop solar. 01:10:10.469 --> 01:10:13.939 We need to speed up rooftop solar, not slow it down. 01:10:14.290 --> 01:10:18.609 Be bold, insist on diversifying of how we scale up solar. 01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:22.130 Not consolidated in the hands of monopolies. I know 01:10:22.130 --> 01:10:27.370 that the CPUC care so much about equity. So help create 01:10:27.370 --> 01:10:29.969 more local jobs and small business opportunities in 01:10:29.979 --> 01:10:34.179 solar. Help more people get solar. We need to stop following 01:10:34.179 --> 01:10:37.329 corporate profit maximization models, that ignores the 01:10:37.329 --> 01:10:41.130 public interests. So please help California become more 01:10:41.130 --> 01:10:44.760 energy independent from monopolies of any kind, including 01:10:44.770 --> 01:10:50.349 utility corporations who already get breaks. Despite making 01:10:50.349 --> 01:10:54.290 billions of dollars in profits. Utilities and corporations 01:10:54.300 --> 01:10:58.010 should be working with you, and be held accountable 01:10:58.010 --> 01:11:01.959 for the social impact. I'm a renter. I will never get 01:11:01.969 --> 01:11:06.890 the ability to get my landlords to have rooftop solar 01:11:06.900 --> 01:11:10.660 because you're making it impossible. Thank you. Thank 01:11:10.660 --> 01:11:14.880 you. Operator, next caller please. 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:17.729 Our next caller is Margaret Ann Coppernal. You may 01:11:17.729 --> 01:11:22.839 go ahead. Oh, Margaret Ann Coppernal, Marina. I am in 01:11:22.839 --> 01:11:26.650 strong support of approval of agenda item four. Revised 01:11:26.650 --> 01:11:30.319 proposed decision authorizing the amended water purchase 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.890 agreement. The pure water Monterrey expansion complies 01:11:33.890 --> 01:11:37.160 with the Governor's mandate to recycle all possible 01:11:37.160 --> 01:11:41.050 water resources to potable standards. Which this project 01:11:41.059 --> 01:11:45.160 does going forward 30 years, as a drought proof critical 01:11:45.160 --> 01:11:48.609 asset. At the recent Coastal Commission Meeting, Callan 01:11:48.609 --> 01:11:52.660 stated it fully supports PWM Expansion. I asked 01:11:52.660 --> 01:11:56.010 why Callan obstructed the project's progress for the 01:11:56.010 --> 01:12:00.609 past two years. Callan exhibits a persistent disconcerting 01:12:00.609 --> 01:12:04.630 desire for ever higher pay profits, in callous disregard 01:12:04.630 --> 01:12:08.469 for its struggling customers. I commend the CPUC for 01:12:08.469 --> 01:12:12.079 moving forward promptly. So construction can begin and 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.339 water delivered within two years at affordable rates. 01:12:15.559 --> 01:12:19.380 With a huge bus that it has no environmental justice 01:12:19.390 --> 01:12:24.609 issues. God bless you and Happy holidays. Thank you. 01:12:24.620 --> 01:12:28.079 Operator, next caller please. 01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:33.120 Our next caller is Julius Banispec. You may go ahead. Uh, 01:12:33.130 --> 01:12:36.679 this is Julius (inaudible) ,Marina. This is also to item four on 01:12:36.679 --> 01:12:40.150 your agenda. The pure of open Monterrey expansion. This 01:12:40.150 --> 01:12:42.890 project provided that urgently needed local that is 01:12:42.890 --> 01:12:46.530 (inaudible) cheaper than desalination. Callan is regressing 01:12:46.530 --> 01:12:49.589 install because it's sees purification as a competitor 01:12:49.599 --> 01:12:52.809 to their expensive detail. That gives their financial 01:12:52.809 --> 01:12:55.990 coffers. So please have the public interest in mind 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.109 and approve item four. To allow the pure water extending 01:12:59.120 --> 01:13:02.969 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:13:05.959 --> 01:13:08.660 Our next caller is Margie Lewis. You may go ahead. 01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:15.500 Um, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. This is 01:13:15.510 --> 01:13:19.650 Margie Lewis from Oakland, California. This latest solar 01:13:19.660 --> 01:13:24.240 proposal drastically reduces the credit, new solar users 01:13:24.250 --> 01:13:26.990 would receive for selling excess power back to the 01:13:26.990 --> 01:13:31.240 grid. And if adopted, it will put solar out of the reach 01:13:31.250 --> 01:13:35.370 for working families and low-income Californians. And 01:13:35.380 --> 01:13:39.670 it totally opposes the state's clean energy goal. This 01:13:39.670 --> 01:13:43.079 is a big utility profit grab, at the expense of the 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:46.469 public and the planet. We need to reduce pollution 01:13:46.469 --> 01:13:50.030 and stop climate change. We are asking you Commissioners 01:13:50.030 --> 01:13:54.109 and Governor Newsom, to support rooftop solar for the 01:13:54.109 --> 01:13:58.260 public. We need to stop climate change with solar rooftop 01:13:58.270 --> 01:14:02.400 and put people and equity over the utility's desire 01:14:02.410 --> 01:14:07.209 for profits. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller 01:14:07.209 --> 01:14:11.530 please. Our next caller is Jessica Kervin. You may go 01:14:11.530 --> 01:14:14.250 ahead. 01:14:14.250 --> 01:14:17.380 Oh, hi. It's Jessica Craven. Yeah, my name is Jessica 01:14:17.380 --> 01:14:19.770 Craven. I'm elected member of the Los Angeles County 01:14:19.770 --> 01:14:22.319 Democratic Party and a member of the California Environmental 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:26.329 Caucus. Um, I also have Covid, so I'm sorry if I sound 01:14:26.339 --> 01:14:28.490 foggy. I've been sitting here on hold like everybody 01:14:28.490 --> 01:14:31.020 else, because this is so important to me. And this is 01:14:31.020 --> 01:14:32.990 like my fourth time coming on one of these meetings. 01:14:32.990 --> 01:14:35.880 And just begging you guys to do this such an obvious 01:14:35.890 --> 01:14:38.390 thing, which is just protected with top solar. I don't 01:14:38.390 --> 01:14:41.429 understand why we have to keep coming and doing this. 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.250 But please do not cut the solar credit by 75%, overnight 01:14:45.260 --> 01:14:48.819 for residential and 80% overnight for places of worship. 01:14:48.829 --> 01:14:51.309 We've seen what happens in other states, it is obvious. 01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:54.319 We're in a climate crisis. We are literally trying 01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:57.729 to avoid catastrophe, for your kids two guys. Unless 01:14:57.729 --> 01:14:59.429 you've got another planet somewhere, that we don't 01:14:59.429 --> 01:15:01.750 know about. It's hard for me to fathom why you're not 01:15:01.750 --> 01:15:04.569 on board with this already. And Gavin Newsom, I'm looking 01:15:04.569 --> 01:15:07.569 at you also. It's appalling that we have to keep calling 01:15:07.569 --> 01:15:10.660 you guys and begging you to do what is so obvious. 01:15:10.670 --> 01:15:14.719 Please save our planet, save the climate, save rooftop 01:15:14.719 --> 01:15:17.520 solar owners, and the people who work for rooftop solar. 01:15:17.530 --> 01:15:20.670 This is a no brainer. And I really hope it's the last 01:15:20.670 --> 01:15:22.189 time we have to come and ask you to do the right 01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:26.179 thing. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller 01:15:26.179 --> 01:15:30.880 please. Our next caller is Tom Anton. You may go ahead. 01:15:37.929 --> 01:15:43.170 Hi, was that Tom Dunton, is that right? Yes, go ahead. Yeah, okay. Um, 01:15:43.179 --> 01:15:45.459 the ultimate test of an NEM 3 proposal is whether 01:15:45.459 --> 01:15:47.620 or not it will continue to foster the rapid growth 01:15:47.620 --> 01:15:51.459 of rooftop solar in California. But it fails that test 01:15:51.469 --> 01:15:55.370 miserably. Instead, it will stop rooftop solar growth 01:15:55.380 --> 01:15:58.699 dead in its tracks, which is no accident. The purpose 01:15:58.699 --> 01:16:01.479 of NEM 3 proposal is to shore up the monopoly 01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:04.579 power of the investor owned utilities, against encroachment 01:16:04.579 --> 01:16:08.069 by the citizens of California. To lock in dirty, expensive 01:16:08.069 --> 01:16:11.900 energy for their profit. You the CPUC, along with your 01:16:11.900 --> 01:16:14.949 boss, Gavin Newsom are directly implicated in this 01:16:14.949 --> 01:16:18.089 literal power grab. By killing the growth of rooftop 01:16:18.089 --> 01:16:21.160 solar, you will harm all Californians. You will harm 01:16:21.160 --> 01:16:23.859 us by gutting our ability to combat climate change. 01:16:23.870 --> 01:16:27.010 You will harm us by crippling our economic competitiveness. 01:16:27.020 --> 01:16:30.750 Forcing both citizens and businesses to rely on dirty 01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.219 expensive energy as other states and nations quickly 01:16:34.219 --> 01:16:37.240 adopt sources of clean and cheap energy. And you will 01:16:37.240 --> 01:16:39.589 harm us by undermining our resilience in the face of 01:16:39.589 --> 01:16:43.459 heatwaves and wildfires. Please ask your boss Gavin 01:16:43.459 --> 01:16:46.939 Newsom, for we all know that despite his protests, he 01:16:46.939 --> 01:16:50.030 is pulling your strings. Why he is willing to inflict 01:16:50.040 --> 01:16:52.829 so much harm on the citizens in the State, he is supposed 01:16:52.829 --> 01:16:56.729 to serve and protect. Better yet, refused to harm us 01:16:56.770 --> 01:17:01.859 and reject NEM 3. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, 01:17:01.859 --> 01:17:04.530 next caller please. 01:17:04.530 --> 01:17:07.649 Our next caller is Mimi Spreadberry. You may go ahead. 01:17:09.710 --> 01:17:13.520 Thank you. Good afternoon, Madam President and Commissioners. 01:17:13.530 --> 01:17:16.440 I'm calling on behalf of Orchard City Indivisible and 01:17:16.440 --> 01:17:19.760 Together We Will Los Gatos. Which represents multiple 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:23.329 cities and towns in Silicon Valley. We are greatly 01:17:23.329 --> 01:17:26.500 opposed to NEM 3 proposal, which is too extreme. 01:17:26.510 --> 01:17:29.700 In California, we are already in climate crisis with 01:17:29.710 --> 01:17:34.079 deadly fires and blackouts will only greatly increase. 01:17:34.089 --> 01:17:37.780 The Summer of 2022, will be the coolest Summer of our 01:17:37.780 --> 01:17:41.309 lives folks. We need to do all we can to ensure habitable 01:17:41.309 --> 01:17:44.460 climate for our children and future generations. This 01:17:44.460 --> 01:17:47.359 proposal will greatly reduce rooftop solar for working 01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:50.700 families and local organizations. It would also cripple 01:17:50.700 --> 01:17:53.740 the solar market and solar use in our State. It would 01:17:53.740 --> 01:17:56.419 be much more difficult to meet California clean energy 01:17:56.419 --> 01:17:59.790 goals with this great drop in solar. The California 01:17:59.790 --> 01:18:02.319 Energy Commission, recommends that we need to triple 01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:05.899 solar use. While CARB scoping plan recommends that 01:18:05.909 --> 01:18:08.970 the State quadruple solar youth. Please revise your 01:18:08.970 --> 01:18:12.359 proposal to ensure more equity and affordability to 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:16.790 save rooftop solar. Thank you so much. Thank you. 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:20.750 Operator, next caller please. 01:18:20.750 --> 01:18:24.409 Our next caller is Jennifer Capitalo. You may go ahead. 01:18:26.220 --> 01:18:30.339 Good morning Commissioner Reynolds and members of the 01:18:30.339 --> 01:18:33.609 Public Utilities Commission. Jennifer Capital, representing 01:18:33.609 --> 01:18:37.849 the California Water Association. CWA is here today 01:18:37.849 --> 01:18:42.119 speaking on behalf of the larger water industry. Um, 01:18:42.129 --> 01:18:46.990 regarding agenda item four. The proposed decision, addressing 01:18:46.990 --> 01:18:51.369 Callan's requests and turn to a contract for supplemental 01:18:51.369 --> 01:18:54.740 water for the expansion of the pure water Monterrey 01:18:54.740 --> 01:18:58.389 groundwater replenishment project. 01:18:58.389 --> 01:19:01.450 Again, I'm here on behalf of the industry. And we want 01:19:01.450 --> 01:19:04.300 to point out a couple of technical issues with the 01:19:04.300 --> 01:19:07.690 decision. Specifically, we're asking you to hold it 01:19:07.700 --> 01:19:11.750 until these couple of technical issues can be resolved. 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:16.200 So this project, which enjoys widespread support will 01:19:16.200 --> 01:19:19.280 provide much needed supplemental water to Callan to 01:19:19.280 --> 01:19:22.210 continue to provide safe and reliable service to its 01:19:22.210 --> 01:19:27.649 Monterrey district customers. A couple issues remain, 01:19:27.659 --> 01:19:31.909 the PD, if adopted in its current form will delay 01:19:31.909 --> 01:19:35.889 the Pure Water Monterrey expansion project. The proposed 01:19:35.889 --> 01:19:39.379 decision may prevent Callan from entering into the 01:19:39.379 --> 01:19:43.180 contract for water, from the Pure Water Monterrey expansion 01:19:43.190 --> 01:19:47.240 project. Again, the PD contains significant legal 01:19:47.240 --> 01:19:51.359 and factual errors. The PD contradicts the CPUC 01:19:51.369 --> 01:19:56.379 precedent stating, that setting a few DC, at a rate 01:19:56.379 --> 01:20:00.389 less than the cost to finance a project is harmful. 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.940 The PD also delays recovery of costs associated 01:20:03.940 --> 01:20:07.930 with used and useful facilities. And this harms customers 01:20:07.940 --> 01:20:12.349 because they delay, increases the overall cost of these 01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:17.349 facilities. The Pure Water Monterrey Expansion Project 01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:21.230 is an example of multiple stakeholders and entities 01:20:21.230 --> 01:20:24.770 working together to address water needs. The PUC should 01:20:24.770 --> 01:20:28.139 not create disincentives for regulated utilities, such 01:20:28.139 --> 01:20:31.710 as Callan, from being part of these types of projects. 01:20:31.909 --> 01:20:35.050 The PUC should hold the PD to allow for further 01:20:35.050 --> 01:20:38.230 consideration of these issues. Including a possible 01:20:38.230 --> 01:20:41.500 opportunity for the party to reach agreement on necessary 01:20:41.500 --> 01:20:45.889 modifications to the PD. Thank you. 01:20:45.889 --> 01:20:50.129 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:20:50.129 --> 01:20:58.710 Our next caller is Dora Rosen. You may go ahead. 01:20:58.710 --> 01:21:02.250 Hey, my name is Dora Rosen. I'm calling from Santa 01:21:02.250 --> 01:21:06.200 Cruz, California. I'm somebody that like the woman in 01:21:06.200 --> 01:21:09.919 the San Diego area. Our home was also burned down along 01:21:09.919 --> 01:21:14.970 with our rooftop solar in the CCU fire. Um, and I'm 01:21:14.970 --> 01:21:17.730 very lucky to have found another place with solar. 01:21:17.740 --> 01:21:21.589 Um, I don't know how many people could afford to replace 01:21:21.599 --> 01:21:26.099 solar with the new proposal that's in effect. And I 01:21:26.099 --> 01:21:28.909 certainly hope that the PUC will be listening to us, 01:21:28.909 --> 01:21:33.159 and all the other callers. Obviously this is an extremely 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:36.309 important issue. 01:21:36.309 --> 01:21:38.940 And as someone else said, I hope that you will really 01:21:38.940 --> 01:21:43.389 look into your hearts and see what is best for yourselves, 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:47.369 the whole community, our country and the whole world. 01:21:47.379 --> 01:21:51.409 Thank you very much. Thank you. Operator, next caller 01:21:51.409 --> 01:21:53.680 please. 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:56.680 Our next the caller is Sunshine Canavale. You may go ahead. 01:21:58.700 --> 01:22:03.399 Hello, can you hear me? Yes we can. Thank you. Thank 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:05.680 you, Commissioners. My name is Sunshine Calvale. I 01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:09.970 live in (inaudible) and I have solar panels on my house. I have worked as a 01:22:09.980 --> 01:22:13.440 solar interconnection professional in 23 states. And 01:22:13.440 --> 01:22:15.700 the current NEM 3 proposal is one of the worst 01:22:15.710 --> 01:22:18.879 net billing arrangements I have ever seen. The dramatic 01:22:18.879 --> 01:22:21.919 cut in generation credit as a step backwards for California's 01:22:21.930 --> 01:22:24.990 energy goals. And it's directly contradictory to other 01:22:24.990 --> 01:22:27.869 State initiatives and incentives. That are intended 01:22:27.869 --> 01:22:31.309 to encourage solar adoption. NEM 3 will discourage 01:22:31.309 --> 01:22:35.280 new solar installations, and upgrades to existing systems, 01:22:35.290 --> 01:22:39.149 and two electric vehicles, and other electric appliances. 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:42.379 NEM 3 will make solar unaffordable for middle class 01:22:42.379 --> 01:22:46.730 and low-income Californians. It serves only the hugely 01:22:46.730 --> 01:22:49.690 profitable utility companies, and it's a terrible choice 01:22:49.700 --> 01:22:53.200 for California. Please do not support this proposal. 01:22:53.210 --> 01:22:57.569 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:22:59.530 --> 01:23:01.589 And before we go to the next caller, if you would like 01:23:01.599 --> 01:23:04.460 to make a comment. Please unmute your phone, press *1 01:23:04.460 --> 01:23:07.280 and record your First and Last name, slowly and 01:23:07.280 --> 01:23:10.490 clearly when prompted. Our next caller is Jennifer 01:23:10.490 --> 01:23:30.319 Heydo. You may go ahead. 01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:32.240 Again, Jennifer Heydo, we're not able to hear you. 01:23:32.240 --> 01:23:39.450 Please check your mute button. 01:23:39.450 --> 01:23:42.210 And shall we go to the next caller? Yes please, thank 01:23:42.210 --> 01:23:45.990 you. Our next caller is Allen Marling. You may go ahead. 01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:49.710 Hello uh, President, Commissioners. I'm a Tri Valley 01:23:49.710 --> 01:23:53.190 resident. We should be incentivizing rooftop solar, 01:23:53.200 --> 01:23:57.040 not killing the industry. Mid-climate crisis, the last 01:23:57.040 --> 01:24:00.119 thing we should do is turn rooftop solar into a luxury 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.450 item. Instead, make it more affordable to low-income 01:24:03.450 --> 01:24:07.240 households. And if PG&E or other large scale utility 01:24:07.240 --> 01:24:09.849 companies runs to you complaining, rooftop solar is 01:24:09.849 --> 01:24:14.139 losing them money. Good. PG&E deserves to go bankrupt. 01:24:14.200 --> 01:24:17.270 The company commits criminal negligence. It's greed 01:24:17.270 --> 01:24:20.619 is felonious. It's shortsightedness, burns Californians 01:24:20.619 --> 01:24:23.750 alive. Definitely don't let them weasel out of enhanced 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.960 observation. Now, if you pass this shameful proposal, 01:24:27.970 --> 01:24:31.480 not only will you become infamous, but so will Governor 01:24:31.480 --> 01:24:34.300 Newsom. Who is ultimately responsible for this Commission. 01:24:34.309 --> 01:24:37.089 I urge you to vote no on this proposal. And if you 01:24:37.089 --> 01:24:40.010 can't do that, perhaps because Governor Newsom is forcing 01:24:40.010 --> 01:24:45.409 your hand. Do the right thing and first resign. 01:24:45.409 --> 01:24:49.419 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:24:49.419 --> 01:24:54.839 Our next caller is Tim McKeever. You may go ahead. 01:24:54.839 --> 01:24:58.480 Yes, my name is Tim. I'm from Rockland. I both have 01:24:58.490 --> 01:25:02.309 solar on my home and work in the solar industry. Um, 01:25:02.829 --> 01:25:06.099 agreeing with a vast majority of the callers today. 01:25:06.109 --> 01:25:09.609 I do believe that the net billing proposal is far too 01:25:09.609 --> 01:25:14.200 extreme. And we have seen other states, uh, destroy 01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:17.359 their solar industries, with similar and not as extreme 01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:19.809 proposals. I did want to make a couple of points. 01:25:19.819 --> 01:25:24.790 Uh, number one, that NEM 2 vs NEM 3 homes, would 01:25:24.790 --> 01:25:29.240 now have a distinct separation. Homes with NEM 2 01:25:29.240 --> 01:25:33.329 solar systems would, would be worth more. Because of 01:25:33.329 --> 01:25:36.569 their additional solar saving. Uh, creating less incentive 01:25:36.579 --> 01:25:41.909 for folks to sell and move. Uh even more farther, distorting 01:25:41.919 --> 01:25:45.250 our housing market here in California. The second item 01:25:45.260 --> 01:25:49.970 is, there is not a strong enough supply of batteries 01:25:49.980 --> 01:25:54.139 for the home market. To create such an extreme change 01:25:54.139 --> 01:25:58.139 in the market. Uh, there are still lots of supply chain 01:25:58.139 --> 01:26:00.419 issues that need to be worked through, before such a 01:26:00.419 --> 01:26:03.190 proposal would be able to implement, be implemented 01:26:03.190 --> 01:26:06.740 successfully. We've seen other countries eliminate 01:26:06.740 --> 01:26:09.829 NEM, but not until their price to install solar has 01:26:09.829 --> 01:26:13.510 dropped far below what our convoluted set of regulations 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:18.210 allows for in California. Thank you and vote no on 01:26:18.210 --> 01:26:22.230 net building. Thank you. Operator, next caller please 01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:26.540 Our next caller is Tricia Folsom. You may go ahead. 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:33.710 Hi. Um, it's actually Saoirse Folsom. Uh, my name is 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:38.309 uh, Gaelic, Saoirse. And I'm from Carmel Valley. Um, 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:43.099 I'm a Callan ratepayer. Um, I'm a low-income Callan 01:26:43.099 --> 01:26:47.050 ratepayer. Who is currently in water debt, with threatened 01:26:47.059 --> 01:26:51.389 for shut off. And I don't actually qualify for the LIWP 01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:55.869 forgiveness program. So um it's very, very important 01:26:55.879 --> 01:27:00.190 to me. To people like me, other families like me. Here 01:27:00.190 --> 01:27:03.760 on the peninsula. That the water purchase agreement 01:27:03.770 --> 01:27:06.940 for the Pure Water Monterrey Expansion project not be 01:27:06.940 --> 01:27:12.040 delayed any further. Uh, please approve item four. I've 01:27:12.050 --> 01:27:15.919 been on meetings with you guys in the past. And also 01:27:15.919 --> 01:27:19.109 multiple local meetings regarding the Pure Water Monterrey 01:27:19.109 --> 01:27:24.180 expansion project. Callan's tactic has been to delay 01:27:24.180 --> 01:27:29.119 delay, delay, delay, delay. Please don't delay any 01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:34.050 further. Uh it could be years before we get the D cell 01:27:34.050 --> 01:27:38.919 project on, on tap, if at all. It's frankly unneeded and 01:27:38.919 --> 01:27:41.680 it would increase water bills for families, like mine 01:27:41.690 --> 01:27:50.010 by 60-70%. So um, if you care about equity, please proceed 01:27:50.020 --> 01:27:53.520 with approving item four. Don't allow Callan to continue 01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:57.180 this delay. They're, they're just they're just out for 01:27:57.180 --> 01:28:00.609 more gouging. And frankly we don't have enough, we don't 01:28:00.609 --> 01:28:04.750 have any more money to take, we just need this now. 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:09.649 We need the water now. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, 01:28:09.649 --> 01:28:12.250 next caller please. 01:28:12.250 --> 01:28:15.010 Our next caller is Spencer Decker. You may go ahead. 01:28:19.869 --> 01:28:22.470 Yes, thank you. 01:28:22.470 --> 01:28:24.829 My name is Spencer Decker, I'm a practicing Architect 01:28:24.829 --> 01:28:28.129 in San Francisco. Designing both market rate and affordable 01:28:28.129 --> 01:28:31.589 housing in California and Utah. I'd like to offer specific 01:28:31.589 --> 01:28:34.079 perspective from the view of an Architect, regarding 01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:37.859 the latest NEM 3 solar roof proposal. California 01:28:37.859 --> 01:28:41.109 building codes require us to incorporate rooftop solar 01:28:41.109 --> 01:28:43.940 and new projects. This requires much greater overall 01:28:43.940 --> 01:28:47.569 project cost. Project complexity and coordination to 01:28:47.569 --> 01:28:50.129 meet these new building efficiency codes and standards. 01:28:50.770 --> 01:28:54.099 But to be clear, our architecture offices in favor of 01:28:54.099 --> 01:28:56.990 these rigorous code upgrades and solar requirements. 01:28:56.990 --> 01:29:00.419 In order to necessarily move toward greater efficiency, 01:29:00.430 --> 01:29:03.399 sustainability of our building stock and energy grid. 01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:07.169 But this current CPUC rooftop solar proposal, will 01:29:07.169 --> 01:29:11.079 make the short and long term cost viability of all projects, 01:29:11.089 --> 01:29:14.280 much more difficult to attain. 01:29:14.280 --> 01:29:16.859 Cutting the solar credit will add an enormous hurdle 01:29:16.859 --> 01:29:19.819 to our ongoing efforts. Not only comply with California 01:29:19.819 --> 01:29:23.020 building codes, but also to steer our State toward greater 01:29:23.020 --> 01:29:25.750 building efficiencies and sustainability. Which are 01:29:25.750 --> 01:29:29.000 a model for not only the nation, but also communities 01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.180 worldwide. We need to make our forward thinking example 01:29:32.180 --> 01:29:36.139 work. Please reject this current proposal, which pushes 01:29:36.139 --> 01:29:40.970 us away greater solar adoption, solar affordability 01:29:40.980 --> 01:29:44.159 and solar access for all. Thank you for your time. 01:29:45.389 --> 01:29:52.139 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:29:52.139 --> 01:29:57.030 Our next caller is Crystal. You may go ahead. 01:29:57.030 --> 01:30:00.109 Hello, I'm Crystal and I'm here to say that we need 01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:04.700 to rework the net metering 3.0. We need to rework it. 01:30:04.710 --> 01:30:08.869 In order to embed equity into California's electrified 01:30:08.879 --> 01:30:13.010 clean energy future. Net metering 3.0, needs to please 01:30:13.020 --> 01:30:16.139 bring back the $600 million dollar equity fund. And 01:30:16.139 --> 01:30:19.609 leverage it to deliver rooftop solar and batteries 01:30:19.619 --> 01:30:23.730 together. Not one or the other, both. In the front line 01:30:23.740 --> 01:30:26.960 and disadvantaged communities, who are dying of poor 01:30:26.970 --> 01:30:31.919 air quality and poverty, exacerbated by utility electricity 01:30:31.930 --> 01:30:37.169 bills. Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:30:38.629 --> 01:30:41.359 Our next caller is David Hoyer. You may go ahead. 01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:46.710 Yes, I'm from Lincoln, California. I've spoken before. 01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:50.790 Um, I hear everybody's heartfelt request to please 01:30:50.790 --> 01:30:55.609 vote down the next NEM 3.0, I agree. The math doesn't 01:30:55.609 --> 01:30:59.490 work. Beyond all the heartfelt testimonies and statements. 01:31:00.050 --> 01:31:03.530 My electric bill is about 37 cents per kilowatt hour. 01:31:03.540 --> 01:31:07.419 Reducing it would increase the return on investment 01:31:07.430 --> 01:31:11.530 system to pay for itself beyond the life expectancy 01:31:11.540 --> 01:31:14.690 of the equipment. This means I would never be able 01:31:14.690 --> 01:31:17.809 to pay it off, before I have to replace it. And that's 01:31:17.809 --> 01:31:20.200 not even including batteries, which could add another 01:31:20.210 --> 01:31:26.240 3-5 years of return on investment. And it seems to 01:31:26.240 --> 01:31:30.059 me, that the only people who are benefiting by this 01:31:30.069 --> 01:31:32.809 are the utility companies. Who would be in what, in 01:31:32.809 --> 01:31:37.069 charge of where the money goes? That's a laugh. Everything 01:31:37.069 --> 01:31:40.050 they do, they ask for more money for every project. 01:31:40.059 --> 01:31:41.859 Even if they've already supposed to be paying for it 01:31:41.859 --> 01:31:46.930 in the first place. So please. Um, vote this down. 01:31:46.940 --> 01:31:50.569 The math doesn't work. The financing doesn't work. 01:31:50.579 --> 01:31:54.260 It was essentially put everybody out of business. Thank 01:31:54.260 --> 01:31:59.550 you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:31:59.550 --> 01:32:02.780 Our next caller is David Reinerson. You may go ahead. 01:32:05.980 --> 01:32:08.339 Good afternoon, Commissioners. I'm David Reinerson from 01:32:08.339 --> 01:32:11.530 Huntington Beach. Governor Newsom has set ambitious 01:32:11.530 --> 01:32:14.760 goals for California. No new internal combustion engine 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:18.889 cars by 2035, and climate neutral by 2045. That means we're 01:32:18.889 --> 01:32:22.609 going to need a lot more clean renewable electricity. 01:32:22.619 --> 01:32:26.460 A lot more. The State's own Energy Commission has estimated 01:32:26.460 --> 01:32:28.819 the requirement to be triple to quadruple the State's 01:32:28.819 --> 01:32:31.319 current capacity. And they further stated, that the 01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:34.369 need cannot be met with utility scale solar and wind projects 01:32:34.369 --> 01:32:38.109 alone. But requires aggressive scaling of rooftop solar 01:32:38.109 --> 01:32:41.280 and storage as well. So the question is, why in the 01:32:41.280 --> 01:32:44.220 light of this information, does the CPUC persist in 01:32:44.220 --> 01:32:47.629 advancing NEM proposals that knee cap solar. Yes, (inaudible) 01:32:47.629 --> 01:32:50.490 new proposal is not as outright horrible as the previous 01:32:50.490 --> 01:32:53.520 proposals. But why not actually be part of the solution, 01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:55.899 rather than part of the problem? Especially when the 01:32:55.899 --> 01:32:59.250 public, whom you represent are begging you to do so. 01:32:59.260 --> 01:33:03.250 Do not tax the sun. Thank you. 01:33:03.250 --> 01:33:07.710 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:33:07.710 --> 01:33:11.520 Our next color is Susan Giovanni. You may go ahead. 01:33:12.200 --> 01:33:16.369 Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you very much. Susan 01:33:16.369 --> 01:33:20.520 Schiavone, I live in Seaside, California. I am commenting 01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:23.510 on agenda item number four on the consent agenda. I 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:27.059 support the revised proposal decision to authorize 01:33:27.069 --> 01:33:30.440 authorize the amended WPA. For the expansion of 01:33:30.440 --> 01:33:34.740 Pure Water Monterrey. The testimony of public officials 01:33:34.750 --> 01:33:38.079 for our local water agencies clearly shows this is 01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:42.139 a viable effort. And does not impede the Salinas Valley 01:33:42.139 --> 01:33:46.470 groundwater basin. Please do not give in to Callan's 01:33:46.480 --> 01:33:49.800 delay tactics, again. They intend to hold ratepayers 01:33:49.809 --> 01:33:53.649 hostage here. We need the Pure Water Monterrey Expansion 01:33:53.649 --> 01:33:58.669 water now. This will further relieve, the illegal takes 01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.589 from the Carmel River. And it will help to replenish 01:34:01.599 --> 01:34:05.530 the over drafted seaside basin. The provisional approval 01:34:05.540 --> 01:34:08.800 of Callan's troubled desal plant. Will take several 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:12.649 years to resolve, putting us at risk. Please don't delay 01:34:12.649 --> 01:34:17.519 decision, this decision. 01:34:17.519 --> 01:34:22.339 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:34:22.339 --> 01:34:24.930 Our next caller is Robert Jones. You may go ahead. 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.700 Hello, I would just like to address the Commissioners. 01:34:31.709 --> 01:34:35.100 Um, and say that I'm opposed to the increase in the 01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:39.620 net metering. But further I'd also like to raise, uh 01:34:39.629 --> 01:34:43.899 perhaps a little inappropriate at this time the uh, introduction 01:34:43.899 --> 01:34:47.890 of hydrogen into the gas supply. Hydrogen, it's a waste 01:34:47.890 --> 01:34:52.180 of energy. And um, I would advise anybody who thinks 01:34:52.180 --> 01:34:55.180 that hydrogen is a good idea to consider that. It takes 01:34:55.180 --> 01:34:58.990 six times more hydrogen to heat a home, than it would 01:34:58.990 --> 01:35:02.189 to just use the electricity directly. Thank you very 01:35:02.189 --> 01:35:09.089 much. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:35:09.089 --> 01:35:11.129 And before we go to the next caller again, if you would 01:35:11.129 --> 01:35:13.519 like to make a comment. Please on unmute your phone, 01:35:13.530 --> 01:35:16.479 press *1, and record your First and Last Name 01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:18.800 slowly, and clearly when prompted. So I may introduce 01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:22.970 you. Our next caller is Jennifer Heydo. You may go 01:35:22.970 --> 01:35:30.010 ahead. 01:35:30.010 --> 01:35:32.640 Again, Jennifer Heydo, your line is open. Please check 01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:35.479 your mute button. We're not able to hear you. Are you 01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:40.519 able to hear me now? Yes, we can. Okay, great. I just 01:35:40.519 --> 01:35:44.580 wanted to echo the comments of uh, I would probably say 01:35:44.580 --> 01:35:49.269 99% of the previous callers. Urging you um, on the consent 01:35:49.280 --> 01:35:57.019 item number four. To not delay the application for the 01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:03.649 excuse me, I'm sorry. Um, for the, the application 01:36:03.649 --> 01:36:07.200 for the public water. 01:36:07.200 --> 01:36:09.999 I'm sorry. We're having a small emergency at my home. 01:36:09.999 --> 01:36:12.200 I'm gonna have to get off the line. But I do, I 01:36:12.200 --> 01:36:16.859 just wanted to say. That I really do urge the Commission, 01:36:16.870 --> 01:36:20.490 to go ahead and approve that. We really need an expansion 01:36:20.490 --> 01:36:22.870 of water on Monterey peninsula. But the overwhelming 01:36:22.870 --> 01:36:25.450 majority of the public, does not want the desal plant. 01:36:25.459 --> 01:36:31.120 And we have a less impactful, environmentally responsible, 01:36:31.129 --> 01:36:37.740 and well researched progressive alternative. (inaudible) 01:36:37.740 --> 01:36:44.910 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:36:44.910 --> 01:36:47.870 Our next caller is Dr. Eric Lever. You may go ahead. 01:36:50.060 --> 01:36:54.220 Yes. I'm Dr. Eric Lever, Fountain Valley. Um 01:36:54.229 --> 01:36:58.450 the I, urge you to reject the new NEM 3 proposal. 01:36:58.450 --> 01:37:01.499 It is too extreme. It will eliminate the incentive 01:37:01.510 --> 01:37:07.280 for new rooftop solar. Um, the new rooftop solar installers 01:37:07.289 --> 01:37:10.740 must get a fair credit, in order to make the investment 01:37:10.749 --> 01:37:15.450 financially feasible to them. Um, reducing the credit 01:37:15.450 --> 01:37:19.419 will reduce rooftop solar by at least 50%. And the State 01:37:19.430 --> 01:37:23.339 cannot meet its climate goals, under those circumstances. 01:37:23.350 --> 01:37:26.600 I also want to address the contention, that this will 01:37:26.609 --> 01:37:30.530 that the proposal increases battery use. Um, I recently 01:37:30.530 --> 01:37:35.180 installed the battery system. My utility Edison, requires 01:37:35.189 --> 01:37:39.050 that 70% of the battery storage be discharged to the 01:37:39.050 --> 01:37:42.229 grid, every evening between 5 and 8 pm, when 01:37:42.229 --> 01:37:45.999 they need it. If we do not get a fair credit, a 01:37:46.010 --> 01:37:50.490 fair return on that battery storage, then this will 01:37:50.490 --> 01:37:54.339 not incentivize (inaudible). 01:37:54.339 --> 01:37:58.390 Thank you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:38:00.180 --> 01:38:01.990 And again, before we go to the next caller. If you 01:38:01.990 --> 01:38:04.490 would like to make a comment. Please unmute your phone, 01:38:04.530 --> 01:38:08.530 and press *1. Our next caller is Erwin Del Opera. 01:38:08.539 --> 01:38:13.700 You may go ahead. 01:38:13.700 --> 01:38:16.819 Good afternoon. My name is Ervin (inaudible) and I work in the solar 01:38:16.819 --> 01:38:20.519 industry. As the solar pioneer, we strive to help families 01:38:20.530 --> 01:38:23.490 make the switch to solar energy and battery storage. I 01:38:23.490 --> 01:38:26.830 oppose the CPUC proposed NEM 3.0 from passing. 01:38:26.839 --> 01:38:29.120 As it's a ridiculous plan and hard to believe that 01:38:29.120 --> 01:38:32.129 it's still being considered. As it will drastically reduce 01:38:32.129 --> 01:38:34.370 the affordability for homeowners to make the switch, 01:38:34.379 --> 01:38:38.669 by slashing benefits by 25%. This will kill our industry 01:38:38.669 --> 01:38:41.149 not just in California, but will create a ripple effect 01:38:41.149 --> 01:38:44.399 across the nation. And will end the adoption of renewable 01:38:44.410 --> 01:38:48.149 energy plan of 2045. The other ones benefiting from 01:38:48.149 --> 01:38:50.269 this plan are the investor owned utilities. Who want 01:38:50.269 --> 01:38:52.879 to keep the old infrastructure going, and continue to 01:38:52.879 --> 01:38:56.209 raise rates, and increase profits. But to (inaudible) disregard 01:38:56.209 --> 01:38:59.189 to millions of families in our nationwide future. Please 01:38:59.189 --> 01:39:01.819 stop the NEM 3.0 from passing. Thank you. 01:39:03.010 --> 01:39:08.229 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:39:08.229 --> 01:39:10.240 And we have no additional callers on the public comment 01:39:10.240 --> 01:39:12.160 telephone line at this time. But again, if you would 01:39:12.160 --> 01:39:14.700 like to want to make a comment. Please unmute your 01:39:14.700 --> 01:39:17.580 phone, press *1, and record your First and Last 01:39:17.580 --> 01:39:36.609 Name fully and clearly when prompted. 01:39:36.609 --> 01:39:38.950 Our next caller is Michelle Jennings. You may go ahead. 01:39:40.629 --> 01:39:48.269 Yes. Um, I'm calling on. I emphatically support the revised 01:39:48.280 --> 01:39:52.800 proposed decision offering me up arising the amended 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.930 water purchase agreement for the Pure Water Monterrey 01:39:55.930 --> 01:39:59.419 Expansion product item number four on today's agenda, 01:39:59.430 --> 01:40:03.129 consent agenda. As most speakers have said, we need 01:40:03.129 --> 01:40:06.760 water now. And the Pure Water Monterrey Expansion will 01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:10.580 be able to provide enough water for decades. At a fraction 01:40:10.580 --> 01:40:13.930 of the cost of the desal project. Which won't be built 01:40:13.939 --> 01:40:18.399 for at least 5 years, if ever. Please help us. I also 01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:22.890 agree with many, many other prior speakers about the opposing 01:40:22.890 --> 01:40:27.160 NEM 3. Please do not axe the rooftop solar industry 01:40:27.169 --> 01:40:31.269 industry. I've been waiting to install solar for years. 01:40:31.280 --> 01:40:35.100 But we'll never be able to afford solar, if the incentives, 01:40:35.109 --> 01:40:39.050 if the incentives are decreased. Please vote no, thank 01:40:39.050 --> 01:40:46.289 you. Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:40:46.289 --> 01:40:49.050 Our next caller is Steven Cideo. You may go ahead. 01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:53.910 Yes, I do not agree with the change in NEM 3. Rooftop 01:40:53.910 --> 01:40:56.569 solar has been an unparalleled success in California. 01:40:56.580 --> 01:40:58.830 Especially in Southern California, where the (inaudible) 01:40:58.830 --> 01:41:01.930 rates are so high. That the loan payment on 01:41:01.930 --> 01:41:05.330 the solar system is less than the utility bill. The 01:41:05.330 --> 01:41:08.499 stated concern is the cost of electricity, for those 01:41:08.499 --> 01:41:12.430 without solar. If the CPUC was representing the public, 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:14.810 they would have focused on finding out why the rates 01:41:14.810 --> 01:41:17.999 are higher than 47 other states, and what can be done 01:41:17.999 --> 01:41:21.819 to reduce them. My concern goes beyond solar. There's 01:41:21.819 --> 01:41:25.399 been no trust the CPUC won't change the rules for batteries 01:41:25.399 --> 01:41:28.660 or electric cars. The utility states, we want to create 01:41:28.660 --> 01:41:31.289 solar farms in the desert. This increases transmission 01:41:31.289 --> 01:41:34.740 lines, and the entire risk and environmental impact 01:41:34.749 --> 01:41:37.939 and has an environmental impact. And this will also 01:41:37.939 --> 01:41:42.519 increase power cost. Rooftop Solar has minimal impact 01:41:42.530 --> 01:41:45.310 on the environment, and makes use of existing power 01:41:45.310 --> 01:41:49.209 lines, minimal impact on power costs. Under NEM 3, 01:41:49.209 --> 01:41:51.939 the utilities win. The consumer and solar industry 01:41:51.939 --> 01:41:55.839 loses. Thank you for your time. 01:41:55.839 --> 01:42:00.660 Thank you. Operator, next caller please. 01:42:00.660 --> 01:42:02.789 President Reynolds, we have no additional participants 01:42:02.789 --> 01:42:04.890 on the public comment telephone line. But as a last 01:42:04.890 --> 01:42:07.339 reminder, if you would like to make a comment. Please 01:42:07.339 --> 01:42:09.859 press *1, unmute your phone, and record your 01:42:09.859 --> 01:42:13.300 First and Last Name. Thank you, Operator. We'll pause 01:42:13.310 --> 01:43:02.660 to see if anyone else is on the line. 01:43:02.660 --> 01:43:04.979 And President Reynolds, we have no participants on 01:43:04.979 --> 01:43:08.050 the public comment telephone line. Okay, thank you 01:43:08.050 --> 01:43:11.560 very much for checking. With no more callers on the line. 01:43:11.569 --> 01:43:15.999 The public comment period is now closed. I will now 01:43:16.010 --> 01:43:19.879 turn to the public agenda. These are the following 01:43:19.879 --> 01:43:26.209 changes to today's agenda. Items 3, 6 and 11 are held 01:43:26.220 --> 01:43:31.169 to December 15, 2022 to the December 15, 2022 voting 01:43:31.169 --> 01:43:36.890 meeting. Item 2 is held to the January 12, 2023, 01:43:36.890 --> 01:43:41.089 voting meeting. And items 5 and 9, have been moved 01:43:41.100 --> 01:43:44.580 to the regular agenda. We will now take up the consent 01:43:44.589 --> 01:43:50.039 items. Is there a motion? So moved. 01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:54.089 I'm sorry, President Reynolds. Could I just go back 01:43:54.100 --> 01:43:57.280 to a point of order. I just wanted to, I don't know 01:43:57.280 --> 01:43:59.859 if it's now or when we get to items 36. But I 01:43:59.859 --> 01:44:02.819 wanted to ask if we could take item 36A, out of 01:44:02.819 --> 01:44:07.240 order before item 36. So Commissioner Houck, I will be 01:44:07.240 --> 01:44:13.229 calling item 36 and 36A together. Okay, sorry. We talk about any 01:44:13.240 --> 01:44:16.269 procedural issues with that, when we get to that item. 01:44:16.280 --> 01:44:19.810 Does that sound okay? That that sounds fine, thank 01:44:19.810 --> 01:44:23.729 you. And I will second, Commissioner Rechtschaffen's motion. Excellent. 01:44:23.740 --> 01:44:27.390 So we have a motion on the consent items by Commissioner 01:44:27.390 --> 01:44:31.160 Rechtschaffen and a second by Commissioner Houck. Um, 01:44:31.169 --> 01:44:34.720 is uh, let's see. So Agenda Clerk, with a motion and 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:38.370 a second, could you call the roll? Commissioner John 01:44:38.370 --> 01:44:45.560 Reynolds? Yes. Commissioner Houck? Yes. Commissioner 01:44:45.649 --> 01:44:53.789 Shiroma? Yes. Commissioner Rechtschaffen? Yes. Excuse me, yes. President 01:44:53.800 --> 01:45:00.249 Alice Reynolds? Yes. The consent items have been approved. 01:45:00.260 --> 01:45:03.560 The vote is 5-0. 01:45:03.560 --> 01:45:08.069 I did want to note, that item 3 on today's agenda. 01:45:08.080 --> 01:45:10.919 Was subject to a rate setting deliberative meeting, 01:45:10.930 --> 01:45:15.169 and has been held to the December 15, 2022, voting meeting. 01:45:16.350 --> 01:45:19.680 With that, I wanted to inform everyone. As a result, 01:45:19.689 --> 01:45:22.970 this item will be subject to a default ex parte quiet 01:45:22.979 --> 01:45:28.689 period. Pursuant to Public Utilities Code section 1701.3, 01:45:28.700 --> 01:45:33.919 paragraph H, sub-paragraph 6. This item may be subject 01:45:33.919 --> 01:45:36.269 to additional quiet time. If the Commission, chooses 01:45:36.280 --> 01:45:39.539 to extend the default quiet time for the December 15, 01:45:39.539 --> 01:45:43.899 meeting. So for the default quiet period, no oral or 01:45:43.899 --> 01:45:46.359 written ex parte communications will be allowed. From 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:50.979 December 12, 2022 until the end of the December 15, 01:45:50.990 --> 01:45:54.959 2022, voting meeting. If the quiet time period changes, 01:45:54.970 --> 01:45:57.919 the parties will be notified. If this item is held 01:45:57.919 --> 01:46:00.450 again, the Commission will continue to have the ability 01:46:00.450 --> 01:46:05.120 to establish further ex parte quiet periods. I will now 01:46:05.120 --> 01:46:09.209 move to item 5 on the regular agenda. Item 5, 01:46:09.209 --> 01:46:12.490 is a resolution related to enhanced oversight and enforcement 01:46:12.499 --> 01:46:15.550 of vegetation management by Pacific Gas and Electric, 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:19.160 to mitigate the highest wildfire risk. Executive Director 01:46:19.160 --> 01:46:23.249 Rachel Peterson, is here to present this item. Rachel? 01:46:25.350 --> 01:46:27.950 Good morning, President Reynolds and Commissioners. 01:46:27.959 --> 01:46:31.319 Quick sound check. 01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:36.260 Yes, you sound perfect. Thanks. Um, thank you for the 01:46:36.260 --> 01:46:40.939 opportunity to present Resolution M-4864, to you this 01:46:40.939 --> 01:46:45.430 morning. This resolution proposes authorizing PG&E 01:46:45.430 --> 01:46:50.240 to exit step one of the enhanced oversight and enforcement 01:46:50.240 --> 01:46:55.039 process. On the basis that PG&E, has executed corrective 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:58.140 actions, that address the reasons that the Commission 01:46:58.140 --> 01:47:03.819 placed them in step one in April 2021. The core story 01:47:03.819 --> 01:47:07.450 here is that the Commission identified a safety problem. 01:47:07.459 --> 01:47:12.390 We placed PG&E into step one. And oversaw their actions 01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:16.499 to correct it. They have corrected this specific safety 01:47:16.510 --> 01:47:19.300 issue, and we are proposing that they exit step one, 01:47:19.310 --> 01:47:24.050 on that basis. This action is one among numerous safety 01:47:24.050 --> 01:47:27.729 oversight actions related to PG&E, that we are executing 01:47:27.729 --> 01:47:31.470 at the Staff level. Some examples of our other actions 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:36.450 include, recent administrative consent orders, administrative 01:47:36.450 --> 01:47:39.890 enforcement orders, and citations addressing wildfires 01:47:39.899 --> 01:47:43.640 ignited by PG&E's equipment. Their execution 01:47:43.649 --> 01:47:47.050 of public safety power shut off, their management of 01:47:47.050 --> 01:47:50.819 corrosion in their natural gas lines, and weaknesses 01:47:50.830 --> 01:47:54.689 in their infrastructure inspection program. So, for 01:47:54.689 --> 01:47:58.839 this resolution dialing back to 2020, here is the safety 01:47:58.839 --> 01:48:04.240 concern. In 2020, PG&E performed more than half of 01:48:04.240 --> 01:48:07.979 its enhanced vegetation management. In parts of PG&E 01:48:07.979 --> 01:48:11.560 system, that their own risk assessment indicated 01:48:11.569 --> 01:48:15.669 were less likely to ignite a catastrophic wildfire. 01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:20.240 So there was a gap. Translating their own risk assessment 01:48:20.249 --> 01:48:23.830 into work on the ground, to reduce that ignition risk. 01:48:24.510 --> 01:48:27.300 Staff presented facts about this safety concern to 01:48:27.310 --> 01:48:32.390 you in April 2021, and the Commission invoked Step One via 01:48:32.399 --> 01:48:39.839 Resolution M-4852. So since 2021, the core of what's 01:48:39.839 --> 01:48:44.289 required is a corrective action plan by PG&E, to 01:48:44.300 --> 01:48:49.050 fix that issue. It also requires CPUC Staff, to monitor 01:48:49.050 --> 01:48:51.830 PG&E's performance against the corrective action 01:48:51.830 --> 01:48:55.539 plan, and includes public reporting to the Commission. 01:48:56.289 --> 01:48:58.959 So in the last year and a half, we've executed these 01:48:58.970 --> 01:49:04.310 responsibilities. In the original Resolution M-4852, 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:08.430 Staff set out the 14 elements that we wanted to see. 01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:11.640 In order to know whether PG&E, could fully address 01:49:11.649 --> 01:49:15.229 the problem and achieve a change. We wanted to see 01:49:15.229 --> 01:49:18.370 that they could execute the majority of their enhanced 01:49:18.370 --> 01:49:22.089 vegetation management, in the areas of highest risk. 01:49:23.240 --> 01:49:26.979 They submitted a corrective action plan. With timelines and 01:49:26.979 --> 01:49:30.740 deliverables to meet those 14 elements. The company's 01:49:30.749 --> 01:49:33.890 chief risk officer signed the plan, and reported on 01:49:33.890 --> 01:49:39.729 progress every 90 days from April 2021 to present. 01:49:39.729 --> 01:49:42.530 On our part, our Staff set up a small strike team on 01:49:42.530 --> 01:49:46.359 this. Our partners at the Office of Energy Infrastructure 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:50.069 Safety, participated and our internal team was led by 01:49:50.080 --> 01:49:53.669 Safety and Enforcement Division. Our team actually 01:49:53.669 --> 01:49:57.129 went above reviewing the enhanced reporting that is 01:49:57.129 --> 01:50:01.140 required in Step One. By conducting very active oversight 01:50:01.140 --> 01:50:05.760 as well. For example, gas held two public workshops, 01:50:05.769 --> 01:50:09.979 reviewed each 90 day progress report, and sent and reviewed 01:50:09.990 --> 01:50:14.430 12 follow up data queries. We met with managers from 01:50:14.430 --> 01:50:18.459 PG&E's Vegetation Management Staff and contractors. 01:50:18.470 --> 01:50:21.890 To verify how they were scheduling work, assigning 01:50:21.890 --> 01:50:25.129 work, and communicating priorities to the work crews. 01:50:25.729 --> 01:50:28.819 We attended PG&E's daily operating reviews. To 01:50:28.819 --> 01:50:32.879 assess how PG&E was tracking enhanced vegetation 01:50:32.890 --> 01:50:36.050 management work progress, and whether it was meeting 01:50:36.050 --> 01:50:39.830 its targets. We required and facilitated their public 01:50:39.839 --> 01:50:43.850 reporting to you, in those two public workshops in June 01:50:43.850 --> 01:50:48.550 and November of 2021. Now very importantly from this, 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:52.319 what happened was that our enhanced oversight led to 01:50:52.330 --> 01:50:56.359 PG&E correcting this specific safety failure. PG&E 01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:59.950 has now demonstrated to Staff satisfaction. 01:50:59.950 --> 01:51:05.269 That in 2021 and 2022, it has been doing the vast majority 01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:08.740 of its EVM Enhanced Vegetation Management work. 01:51:08.749 --> 01:51:11.979 In the areas of its system posing the greatest risk 01:51:11.990 --> 01:51:15.919 of igniting a catastrophic wildfires. Specifically, 01:51:15.930 --> 01:51:20.129 it met and exceeded its targets. By conducting 98% of 01:51:20.140 --> 01:51:24.459 that work in the highest risk areas in 2021, and hitting 01:51:24.459 --> 01:51:30.089 99.9% by June 30 of this year. 01:51:30.089 --> 01:51:33.069 Importantly, there will be continuing oversight of 01:51:33.080 --> 01:51:36.439 PG&E's ability to continue to execute successfully 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:39.950 in this area. That will be carried out by the Office 01:51:39.950 --> 01:51:43.200 of Energy Infrastructure Safety. Energy Safety will 01:51:43.200 --> 01:51:46.450 use its wildfire mitigation plan and related tools 01:51:46.459 --> 01:51:50.260 to continue this regulatory effort. Thank you for your 01:51:50.260 --> 01:51:53.200 consideration of this proposal today and I'm available 01:51:53.200 --> 01:51:57.669 to answer any questions. Thank you very much Rachel. 01:51:57.680 --> 01:52:01.399 Um, I want to start by thanking you, in particular. For 01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:05.430 your work on this Resolution. And also, I wanted to give 01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:12.039 um note, notably thanks to Forrest Kyser, Lee Palmer, Leah Harrow, Lana Tran 01:52:14.859 --> 01:52:18.600 all for their hard work. On, on this very difficult matter. 01:52:18.919 --> 01:52:22.459 I'd like to emphasize a few points that you made in 01:52:22.459 --> 01:52:26.519 your presentation. Um, first placing PG&E in Step 01:52:26.519 --> 01:52:29.459 One of the enhanced oversight and enforcement. Was done 01:52:29.459 --> 01:52:33.269 to address a specific issue. The issue of PG&E's 01:52:33.269 --> 01:52:36.769 poor prioritization of enhanced vegetation management 01:52:36.780 --> 01:52:40.819 work in 2020. And second and this is important. The 01:52:40.819 --> 01:52:45.019 decision does not absolve PG&E, of its ongoing obligation 01:52:45.019 --> 01:52:49.510 to run a safe and reliable utility. Nor does it conclude 01:52:49.519 --> 01:52:53.879 any of our ongoing oversight monitoring and investigations 01:52:53.890 --> 01:52:57.350 of PG&E. 01:52:57.350 --> 01:53:00.399 Some of the commenters on the Resolution have, have 01:53:00.410 --> 01:53:04.319 concurred that PG&E has complied with CPUC's requirements 01:53:04.330 --> 01:53:08.660 to exit, exit Step One. But also, many raised other ongoing 01:53:08.660 --> 01:53:13.870 concerns with PG&E. I want to be clear that the action 01:53:13.879 --> 01:53:17.439 recommended today, and this Resolution does not endorse 01:53:17.450 --> 01:53:20.709 any other practices of PG&E or give them a pass, 01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:24.680 on any enforcement action. It only concludes that the 01:53:24.680 --> 01:53:28.749 conditions, the CPUC established, to exit Step One of 01:53:28.749 --> 01:53:32.740 the administrative enforcement process. When, when PG&E 01:53:32.740 --> 01:53:39.249 was placed there in, in April 2021 are met. Placing PG&E 01:53:39.249 --> 01:53:42.660 in Step One of the enhanced oversight enforcement 01:53:42.660 --> 01:53:47.100 process, had its intended intended effect. And, PG&E 01:53:47.100 --> 01:53:49.970 has corrected its earlier failure. This is a good 01:53:49.970 --> 01:53:54.930 thing, but it's not the final thing. The CPUC has engaged 01:53:54.939 --> 01:53:57.999 in numerous enforcement and oversight actions against 01:53:58.010 --> 01:54:01.339 PG&E, as merited by the specific facts of violation 01:54:01.339 --> 01:54:05.180 or inadequacy being reviewed. And the CPUC, will continue 01:54:05.180 --> 01:54:09.100 to do so for PG&E, and in fact, all utilities as 01:54:09.109 --> 01:54:12.600 the facts warrant. So, in some this Resolution shows 01:54:12.609 --> 01:54:15.490 that the tools we have at our disposal can work, to 01:54:15.490 --> 01:54:18.910 change utility behavior. I support this Resolution 01:54:18.910 --> 01:54:22.629 and I'll be voting for it. I look to my fellow Commissioners, 01:54:22.640 --> 01:54:27.800 to see if anyone else has comments on this item. 01:54:27.800 --> 01:54:31.260 Commissioner Houck? 01:54:31.260 --> 01:54:35.180 Thank you, President Reynolds. Um, as has been noted, 01:54:35.189 --> 01:54:38.419 um by turning cal advocates. The enhanced oversight 01:54:38.419 --> 01:54:41.089 and enforcement processes, is new process that came 01:54:41.089 --> 01:54:44.620 out of the PG&E bankruptcy settlement. And um, I 01:54:44.620 --> 01:54:47.319 agree that given the unique nature of this, it warrants 01:54:47.319 --> 01:54:51.530 a discussion today on a regular agenda. Um, appreciate 01:54:51.530 --> 01:54:55.530 the move from the consent to regular. Um, as was stated, 01:54:55.530 --> 01:54:58.629 PG&E was placed into Step One last year, and has remained 01:54:58.629 --> 01:55:02.200 in Step One since that time. This Resolution M-4864, 01:55:02.200 --> 01:55:05.280 would remove them from Step One of the enhanced 01:55:05.280 --> 01:55:09.519 oversight and enforcement or EOE process. I'd like 01:55:09.519 --> 01:55:12.580 to first note, that commenters on the resolution, um 01:55:12.580 --> 01:55:14.850 and I believe President Reynolds, you also noted this. 01:55:14.859 --> 01:55:18.629 Um, even those that oppose the Commission, exercising 01:55:18.629 --> 01:55:22.569 its authority to release PG&E any from Step One. Recognize 01:55:22.580 --> 01:55:25.990 that placement into the EEO process helped ensure safer 01:55:25.990 --> 01:55:29.910 operations at PG&E. And that the tool can be helpful 01:55:29.910 --> 01:55:34.069 to address other safety issues at PG&E. Commenters also 01:55:34.069 --> 01:55:36.999 concur that PG&E has complied with the requirements 01:55:36.999 --> 01:55:41.890 imposed by Resolution M- 4852. That placed PG&E into 01:55:41.890 --> 01:55:45.780 Step One. Turning cal advocates, while recognizing this 01:55:45.789 --> 01:55:49.330 compliance. Also argued the utility has simultaneously 01:55:49.330 --> 01:55:52.769 caused other serious and well documented safety problems. 01:55:52.780 --> 01:55:56.569 Including a history of failing to comply with regulatory 01:55:56.569 --> 01:55:59.530 requirements related to vegetation management asset, 01:55:59.530 --> 01:56:03.060 inspection, and maintenance. They conclude the utility's 01:56:03.060 --> 01:56:05.660 performance warrants, not only remaining in the EEO 01:56:05.660 --> 01:56:08.780 process. But moving PG&E to Step Two or Step 01:56:08.789 --> 01:56:13.490 Four of the EEO process. Health advocates in turn urged 01:56:13.499 --> 01:56:16.289 the Commission, to examine these issues and take appropriate 01:56:16.289 --> 01:56:19.740 steps to require PG&E to meet its obligations, and 01:56:19.740 --> 01:56:23.319 provide safe and reliable service. Um, I agree that 01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:26.169 we have an obligation to address safety concerns, and 01:56:26.169 --> 01:56:28.870 regulatory failures of investor owned utilities that 01:56:28.870 --> 01:56:32.450 we regulate. Commission Safety Staff are continuing to 01:56:32.450 --> 01:56:37.050 assess many of the concerns raised by commenters. Um, 01:56:37.050 --> 01:56:39.810 including cal advocates turn in rural counties. But 01:56:39.810 --> 01:56:42.970 these specific concerns that are raised in the comments, 01:56:42.979 --> 01:56:46.140 are not before us today, and considering this resolution. 01:56:46.700 --> 01:56:49.439 However, some of the concerns specifically the woody 01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:52.519 debris management concerns are sufficiently related 01:56:52.519 --> 01:56:55.680 to vegetation management practices. That I want to recognize 01:56:55.689 --> 01:56:59.999 the problem and discuss some expectations. While PG&E 01:56:59.999 --> 01:57:02.990 has improved the vegetation management shortcomings, 01:57:02.990 --> 01:57:06.010 that originally triggered the enhanced oversight process. 01:57:06.019 --> 01:57:09.069 There is a need for PG&E to better address concerns 01:57:09.080 --> 01:57:12.319 that have been raised. Regarding removal of trees cut 01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:15.149 down as part of their vegetation management. Failing 01:57:15.149 --> 01:57:18.450 to address the debris, um removal issues, can cause 01:57:18.459 --> 01:57:22.220 significant financial and logistical burdens for customers 01:57:22.220 --> 01:57:25.839 and may increase public safety and wildfire risk. 01:57:25.839 --> 01:57:28.729 RCRC sent a letter to PG&E on October 01:57:28.729 --> 01:57:33.709 31st of this year. Raising several concerns regarding PG&E's, 01:57:33.709 --> 01:57:37.249 vegetation management, and public programs, 01:57:37.260 --> 01:57:40.410 um and public health and safety risks. Created by leaving 01:57:40.410 --> 01:57:43.620 felled wood in place. These concerns include, include 01:57:43.620 --> 01:57:46.910 among others the need to immediately begin removing 01:57:46.910 --> 01:57:50.859 felled wood from a request, by when requested, by property 01:57:50.859 --> 01:57:53.919 owners. The need to designate representatives when 01:57:53.919 --> 01:57:57.769 property owners and local leaders can um, that they 01:57:57.769 --> 01:58:01.220 can designate representatives that they can contact 01:58:01.220 --> 01:58:04.649 the removal of wood. The need to improve transparency 01:58:04.649 --> 01:58:07.439 and accountability among the different vegetation management 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:10.459 programs, including ensuring forms for homeowners are 01:58:10.459 --> 01:58:14.470 clear. RCRC requested that a meeting be convened 01:58:14.470 --> 01:58:18.289 to address these matters. PG&E responded on November 01:58:18.289 --> 01:58:23.669 15, stating that they are in fact um, currently removing 01:58:23.669 --> 01:58:27.970 felled wood were requested by property owners. Um, that 01:58:27.979 --> 01:58:32.760 they are and will continue to remove felled wood, within 01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:35.899 100 ft of structures when the property owner provides 01:58:35.910 --> 01:58:39.439 appropriate consent. And that they will provide the 01:58:39.439 --> 01:58:42.310 appropriate points of contact by region, for property 01:58:42.310 --> 01:58:44.939 owners to contact and work with on the felled wood 01:58:44.939 --> 01:58:48.140 removal. And the points of contact will be in addition 01:58:48.140 --> 01:58:52.209 to the um, contact points that folks already have. They're 01:58:52.209 --> 01:58:54.910 also going to evaluate the forms related to the wood 01:58:54.910 --> 01:58:58.310 management program, and determine where potential improvements 01:58:58.310 --> 01:59:01.379 can be made. And they have been working with RCRC 01:59:01.379 --> 01:59:04.649 um, to schedule a meeting to discuss the concerns 01:59:04.649 --> 01:59:08.180 raised by the next. And determine next steps to resolve 01:59:08.180 --> 01:59:11.419 these concerns. I understand that the meeting has been 01:59:11.419 --> 01:59:14.060 scheduled for tomorrow, and will also include Staff 01:59:14.069 --> 01:59:17.319 from the Commission and Staff from Energy Safety. And 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:19.680 I expect that this conversation will be meaningful. 01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:22.189 And PG&E will work with local governments to come 01:59:22.189 --> 01:59:25.450 up with a plan to resolve these concerns. Which is 01:59:25.459 --> 01:59:29.149 um, positively reflected by their response. And that 01:59:29.149 --> 01:59:33.300 they have already begun to address um, concerns raised. 01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:37.430 As part of these ongoing discussions, um, I would request 01:59:37.430 --> 01:59:40.019 that PG&E take a hard look at its fuel management 01:59:40.019 --> 01:59:42.890 practices. Continue ongoing discussion with Commission 01:59:42.890 --> 01:59:47.050 Staff, Energy Safety, and to engage in ongoing meaningful 01:59:47.050 --> 01:59:50.990 conversations with rural communities, directly impacted 01:59:50.990 --> 01:59:53.959 by PG&E's actions or inactions, regarding the 01:59:53.959 --> 01:59:57.410 woody debris removal. I recognize that our Staff will 01:59:57.410 --> 02:00:00.030 continue to monitor the situation and would 02:00:00.030 --> 02:00:02.880 request that Director Peterson come back to the Commission 02:00:02.889 --> 02:00:06.930 in January. To report on any updates or progress um, 02:00:06.930 --> 02:00:09.750 that comes out of the meeting that's going to occur. 02:00:09.760 --> 02:00:13.619 I also again, recognize that turning cal advocates 02:00:13.619 --> 02:00:16.310 have raised concerns, that are not directly before us 02:00:16.319 --> 02:00:19.769 today. Commission Staff have and continue to examine 02:00:19.769 --> 02:00:22.569 these concerns. And we have many tools including written 02:00:22.569 --> 02:00:26.170 notices, citations, administrative enforcement orders, 02:00:26.179 --> 02:00:29.269 orders to show cause, formal investigations, and the 02:00:29.269 --> 02:00:33.560 enhanced oversight enforcement process when warranted. 02:00:33.569 --> 02:00:36.759 In addition, as part of our obligation to continue 02:00:36.759 --> 02:00:39.700 to monitor PG&E, and its efforts coming out of the 02:00:39.700 --> 02:00:43.759 bankruptcy. In my opinion, regionalization is an important 02:00:43.759 --> 02:00:48.499 tool that we have to ensure safety measures, are effectively 02:00:48.509 --> 02:00:53.219 implemented by people. But this will only work if um, 02:00:53.230 --> 02:00:56.139 the engagement by PG&E is meaningful. And this will 02:00:56.139 --> 02:00:59.090 require having regular, ongoing communication with 02:00:59.090 --> 02:01:02.139 local government, tribes, and PG&E's operations 02:01:02.149 --> 02:01:05.260 management. That can result in actions that improve 02:01:05.260 --> 02:01:09.120 and enhance safety within each region. I expect PG&E 02:01:09.120 --> 02:01:11.769 to be building these relationships in a positive 02:01:11.780 --> 02:01:14.460 manner. Which includes ensuring local governments with 02:01:14.469 --> 02:01:17.389 each region, do have a person they can contact to get 02:01:17.389 --> 02:01:21.739 answers when um, issues come up that need to be resolved. 02:01:21.749 --> 02:01:24.820 And with these comments, I understand that not everyone 02:01:24.820 --> 02:01:28.249 will be satisfied with the outcome um, from today's 02:01:28.249 --> 02:01:31.219 vote. However, after reviewing all of the information. 02:01:31.219 --> 02:01:34.139 I do believe our Staff have spent significant time, 02:01:34.150 --> 02:01:37.840 effort, and thought in coming up with the Resolution. 02:01:37.849 --> 02:01:41.060 Um, that's set out before us today. And in doing so have 02:01:41.060 --> 02:01:44.370 balanced the need to recognize the improved practices. 02:01:44.379 --> 02:01:47.159 That demonstrate compliance with the requirements of 02:01:47.159 --> 02:01:51.469 Resolution M-4852. While actively considering what, 02:01:51.469 --> 02:01:54.689 if any other actions may need to be taken, as to other 02:01:54.689 --> 02:01:58.930 areas outside of the scope of this resolution. So with 02:01:58.930 --> 02:02:02.019 that, I do want to thank our Commission Staff for all 02:02:02.019 --> 02:02:04.900 of their hard work on this matter. Including but not 02:02:04.900 --> 02:02:11.129 limited um, to again um, Forest Tizer, Lana Tran, Nakeya 02:02:11.210 --> 02:02:15.650 Hensley, um Lee Palmer, Leah Harrow, Candace Mori, Max 02:02:15.900 --> 02:02:20.199 Yurdivich, and especially Director Rachel Peterson. 02:02:20.210 --> 02:02:23.680 And again, a special Horace Kaiser for all of their 02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:26.960 work in addressing my concerns, briefing my office, 02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:29.509 and talking with me. And with that, I will be supporting 02:02:29.509 --> 02:02:32.520 the resolution. 02:02:32.520 --> 02:02:36.930 Thank you. Remarks from other Commissioners? 02:02:36.930 --> 02:02:40.849 Commissioner Shiroma? 02:02:40.849 --> 02:02:44.219 Yes. Thank you, President Reynolds. 02:02:44.219 --> 02:02:49.129 I will be voting in favor of this revolution. And while 02:02:49.129 --> 02:02:51.610 I am pleased to do that, I do want to be very 02:02:51.610 --> 02:02:57.189 clear about the limited scope of this Resolution. Uh 02:02:57.199 --> 02:03:02.520 and my continued concerns with PG&E's operations. I appreciate 02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:06.080 that this resolution is tightly focused on PG&E's enhanced 02:03:06.090 --> 02:03:11.580 vegetation management. We placed PG&E into Step One 02:03:12.189 --> 02:03:15.550 of enhanced oversight and enforcement. Because of serious 02:03:15.550 --> 02:03:20.129 problems with the way that it was prioritizing its 02:03:20.129 --> 02:03:24.169 vegetation management. And this resolution will remove 02:03:24.169 --> 02:03:27.860 it from Step One, because PG&E has remedied the 02:03:27.870 --> 02:03:32.229 14 issues identified in the corrective action plan. 02:03:33.219 --> 02:03:35.409 However, as highlighted by stakeholder comments in 02:03:35.409 --> 02:03:39.860 this resolution, there are so many issues of PB&E's conduct 02:03:39.860 --> 02:03:43.759 and operations that merit attention, albeit outside 02:03:43.759 --> 02:03:49.150 of this revolution. As noted by cal advocates, in turn 02:03:50.370 --> 02:03:53.479 PG&E's role in the dixie fire must receive for their attention. 02:03:54.539 --> 02:03:58.840 And I would like to emphasize that pay attention must 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:03.599 continue on the details and capabilities of PJs 02:04:03.610 --> 02:04:08.650 wildfire distribution risk model. We must address these 02:04:08.650 --> 02:04:12.330 outstanding issues in the appropriate venues, as described 02:04:12.340 --> 02:04:16.630 by Executive Director Pearson. In the meantime, I do 02:04:16.630 --> 02:04:21.570 support the resolution before us, and I want to thank 02:04:22.159 --> 02:04:27.349 uh, Boris Kaiser who is the Deputy Executive Director 02:04:27.349 --> 02:04:32.859 over Safety Policy Enforcement, and the entire team 02:04:33.440 --> 02:04:38.289 that has worked on this revolution. Thank you for the 02:04:38.299 --> 02:04:41.940 multiple briefings that were provided to me, to answer 02:04:41.950 --> 02:04:47.840 my questions. The team's assiduous work holds utilities 02:04:47.849 --> 02:04:51.179 accountable in a transparent and focused fashion and 02:04:51.179 --> 02:04:55.299 I very much appreciate that. Thank you. 02:04:55.299 --> 02:05:00.229 Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. Other remarks? Commissioner 02:05:00.229 --> 02:05:04.179 Rechtschaffen. 02:05:04.179 --> 02:05:10.219 Thank you. Mhm. Pretty much. Everything that I was gonna 02:05:10.229 --> 02:05:12.849 say has already been said. That doesn't always stop 02:05:12.849 --> 02:05:16.909 me from talking. But this time, it's been between Director 02:05:16.909 --> 02:05:19.950 Peterson's remarks and Commissioner Houck, especially. 02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:24.940 Uh and President Reynolds. I think it's been pretty 02:05:24.940 --> 02:05:28.330 thoroughly covered. I just want to say two things then. 02:05:29.859 --> 02:05:33.549 One as, as Director Peterson started out saying, as others 02:05:33.700 --> 02:05:39.640 echoed. Uh this, this example is an illustration of how 02:05:39.650 --> 02:05:42.929 the enhanced oversight and enforcement process, can 02:05:42.929 --> 02:05:47.109 be effectively used. It worked here. It's of course 02:05:47.109 --> 02:05:50.469 not a panacea, no one's suggesting it is. But it did 02:05:50.469 --> 02:05:54.070 work. It did address an important problem. So we should 02:05:54.070 --> 02:05:57.919 not be bashful about using it again. It doesn't mean 02:05:57.929 --> 02:06:00.659 the end of the world, it doesn't mean a cure to everything. 02:06:00.669 --> 02:06:04.710 But if there are targeted issues that need to be addressed, 02:06:04.719 --> 02:06:08.380 it's a potent tool. That's why we put it in place, because 02:06:08.390 --> 02:06:12.909 PG&E's operational practices remain a serious concern 02:06:12.909 --> 02:06:15.820 for us. Despite everything that's been done. So we should 02:06:15.820 --> 02:06:18.890 continue to utilize this tool along, with all the other 02:06:18.890 --> 02:06:21.859 ones that Director Peterson mentioned. Some of which 02:06:21.869 --> 02:06:25.489 may be, many of which we've developed in recent years. 02:06:25.500 --> 02:06:29.010 So that we have a more dynamic and flexible set of 02:06:29.020 --> 02:06:33.039 tools in our toolkit. And then secondly, and Commissioner 02:06:33.039 --> 02:06:38.099 Houck mentioned this. One of the conditions of the bankruptcy 02:06:38.099 --> 02:06:44.130 reorganization plan, was for PG&E need to regionalize. 02:06:44.140 --> 02:06:49.099 To have managers at a regional level, who could interact 02:06:49.109 --> 02:06:52.849 with the community. This is precisely the kind of the 02:06:52.859 --> 02:06:55.780 situation described about tree removal that the, that 02:06:55.780 --> 02:06:58.479 the counties have raised very legitimate concerns about. 02:06:59.169 --> 02:07:04.169 Is precisely the kind of interaction that the regional 02:07:04.169 --> 02:07:07.869 managers should address. That, that their best situated 02:07:07.869 --> 02:07:11.390 to hear local concerns, and to take immediate action 02:07:11.390 --> 02:07:14.780 to deal with them. I'm sorry that the county that has 02:07:14.789 --> 02:07:19.289 a relatively difficult time dealing, with this mitigation 02:07:19.289 --> 02:07:23.239 work is not a new issue for us. I'm happy that there 02:07:23.239 --> 02:07:26.190 seems to be progress, and as others have pointed out. 02:07:26.609 --> 02:07:29.380 Uh we, there's a meeting tomorrow and we, we certainly 02:07:29.380 --> 02:07:32.299 want to continue to be briefed on the progress of that. 02:07:32.309 --> 02:07:35.820 But more importantly, this is an issue where Regional 02:07:35.820 --> 02:07:38.340 Vice President, or Regional Manager needs to lean 02:07:38.340 --> 02:07:41.650 in. And make sure that PG&E is very proactively 02:07:41.659 --> 02:07:44.849 addressing the concerns of the counties. Thank you. I'll 02:07:44.849 --> 02:07:50.369 be supporting this Staff recommendation. Thank you. 02:07:50.380 --> 02:07:57.000 Other remarks, Commissioner Reynolds. 02:07:57.000 --> 02:08:00.359 Thank you, President Reynolds. I would like to thank 02:08:00.359 --> 02:08:04.020 Executive Director Peterson for presenting this item. 02:08:04.030 --> 02:08:06.900 I would also like to thank the Staff who have engaged 02:08:06.909 --> 02:08:10.309 in this enhanced oversight process. And thanks also 02:08:10.309 --> 02:08:12.849 to the parties and individuals who have commented on 02:08:12.849 --> 02:08:15.460 this resolution. 02:08:15.460 --> 02:08:18.469 I'll note at the outset that the comments raised many 02:08:18.469 --> 02:08:21.460 important issues, regarding wildfire mitigation safety. 02:08:22.460 --> 02:08:25.429 While this resolution is related to wildfire safety, 02:08:25.440 --> 02:08:29.169 it is focused as others have commented on, a very specific 02:08:29.179 --> 02:08:33.549 issue. PG&E's failure to prioritize enhanced 02:08:33.559 --> 02:08:36.880 vegetation management work on its highest risk lines 02:08:36.890 --> 02:08:40.510 in 2020. And the corrective actions that have taken 02:08:40.520 --> 02:08:44.689 place to address that deficiency in 2021 and 2022. 02:08:46.490 --> 02:08:49.809 This has been an example of our enhanced oversight 02:08:49.819 --> 02:08:53.640 and enforcement process in action. We identified a 02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:57.130 specific set of deficiencies. Where PG&E needed 02:08:57.130 --> 02:09:01.059 to improve its processes, to ensure its wildfire mitigation 02:09:01.059 --> 02:09:05.250 efforts are driven by risk and prioritized accordingly. 02:09:06.010 --> 02:09:09.589 We developed recommendations and identified 14 corrective 02:09:09.589 --> 02:09:13.370 action plan elements for PG&E to address. We ordered 02:09:13.370 --> 02:09:16.289 PG&E to undertake corrective action, and to submit 02:09:16.299 --> 02:09:20.189 a corrective action plan. To explain in detail how it 02:09:20.189 --> 02:09:23.520 both perform risk modeling, and use the results of its 02:09:23.520 --> 02:09:26.880 risk modeling. To ensure that the highest risk power 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:30.890 lines are prioritized for vegetation management under 02:09:30.890 --> 02:09:34.880 it's 2021, enhanced vegetation management program. Before 02:09:34.880 --> 02:09:39.449 working on lower risk lines. We required PG&E to report 02:09:39.459 --> 02:09:42.280 every 90 days on the status of its corrective action 02:09:42.280 --> 02:09:47.110 plan implementation. And we've overseen PG&E make 02:09:47.120 --> 02:09:49.870 improvements to its vegetation management process. 02:09:51.709 --> 02:09:54.760 The enhanced oversight and enforcement process is not 02:09:54.760 --> 02:09:58.530 meant to do everything all at once. Rather, it is intended 02:09:58.530 --> 02:10:01.870 to focus on specific issues and to oversee observable 02:10:01.880 --> 02:10:06.530 improvements for those issues. Because we've seen improvements 02:10:06.539 --> 02:10:10.419 in PG&E's prioritization of vegetation, of vegetation 02:10:10.419 --> 02:10:13.510 management. It is appropriate to take them out of Step 02:10:13.510 --> 02:10:17.770 One. We have overseen the corrective actions and accomplished 02:10:17.780 --> 02:10:21.949 the oversight of this deficiency. I will add that nothing 02:10:21.949 --> 02:10:24.750 prevents us from using the enhanced oversight and enforcement 02:10:24.750 --> 02:10:27.770 process in the future, in response to new information. 02:10:27.780 --> 02:10:31.380 And nothing prevents us from moving PG&E into any 02:10:31.380 --> 02:10:34.230 appropriate steps and the enhanced oversight and enforcement 02:10:34.230 --> 02:10:38.839 process. To meet specific safety concerns that we observe. 02:10:40.089 --> 02:10:42.699 It is important to note their oversight and enforcement 02:10:42.699 --> 02:10:46.630 actions necessarily have specific scope. This resolution 02:10:46.630 --> 02:10:49.650 is not intended to capture all oversight actions and 02:10:49.650 --> 02:10:52.539 appropriately closes our enhanced oversight in this 02:10:52.539 --> 02:10:56.079 area. That will conclude my remarks and I will be supporting 02:10:56.079 --> 02:10:58.140 this item. 02:10:58.140 --> 02:11:02.669 Thank you. With no further remarks, I would like to 02:11:02.679 --> 02:11:08.089 ask for a motion on item 5? 02:11:08.089 --> 02:11:11.220 So moved. Motion by Commissioner Rechtschaffen. Do 02:11:11.220 --> 02:11:15.730 we have a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Reynolds. 02:11:15.740 --> 02:11:20.510 Agenda Clerk, could you please call the roll? 02:11:20.510 --> 02:11:23.299 Commissioner John Reynolds? 02:11:23.299 --> 02:11:32.370 Yes. Commissioner Houck? Yes. Commissioner Shiroma? Yes. Commissioner 02:11:32.370 --> 02:11:38.089 Rechtschaffen? Yes. President Alice Reynolds? Yes. The 02:11:38.089 --> 02:11:43.350 vote is 5-0. The item passes. The next item on the agenda 02:11:43.350 --> 02:11:50.789 is item 9. Item 9 is Resolution T-17772, a resolution 02:11:50.799 --> 02:11:53.209 granting money from the California Advanced Services 02:11:53.220 --> 02:11:58.110 Fund. To the Karuk Tribe to conduct, construct the Climate 02:11:58.120 --> 02:12:02.929 River Rural Broadband Initiative project. It is my 02:12:02.929 --> 02:12:05.470 understanding that Director Osborne is participating 02:12:05.470 --> 02:12:09.569 and I see Director Osborne with us. Um, welcome. I will 02:12:09.569 --> 02:12:13.449 turn it over to you. 02:12:13.449 --> 02:12:17.549 Thank you. Can you hear me? Yes we can. Great, thank 02:12:17.549 --> 02:12:19.589 you. Thank you, President Reynolds and Good afternoon, 02:12:19.589 --> 02:12:22.770 Commissioners. I'm going to provide an introduction to Draft 02:12:22.770 --> 02:12:28.970 Resolution T-17772. This draft resolution recommends 02:12:28.980 --> 02:12:31.990 the Commission authorized the release of California 02:12:31.990 --> 02:12:36.299 Event Services Fund, grant funding totaling 17.4 million. 02:12:36.309 --> 02:12:39.179 Which was approved previously by the Commission for 02:12:39.179 --> 02:12:42.750 the Karuk Tribe to begin construction on the Climate River 02:12:42.760 --> 02:12:46.720 Rural Broadband Initiative project. The draft resolution 02:12:46.720 --> 02:12:49.659 also adopts the final initial study, and environmental 02:12:49.659 --> 02:12:53.130 assessment, and mitigated negative declaration for the 02:12:53.130 --> 02:12:55.640 project prepared in compliance with the California 02:12:55.640 --> 02:13:00.380 Environmental Quality act or CEQA. The project is a collaboration 02:13:00.380 --> 02:13:04.069 between the Karuk and Yurok tribes. Build and operate high 02:13:04.069 --> 02:13:08.079 speed internet service to approximately 616 households, 02:13:08.089 --> 02:13:12.079 170 businesses, and numerous anchor institutions, including 02:13:12.089 --> 02:13:15.780 health care clinics, public schools, and tribal offices 02:13:15.780 --> 02:13:19.510 within the Humboldt County communities of Orleans, McKinleyville 02:13:19.510 --> 02:13:24.610 Weitchpec, and Oreck. The project also includes construction 02:13:24.610 --> 02:13:29.100 of 104.1 mile fiber optic, middle mile network 02:13:29.110 --> 02:13:32.309 to extend broadband from Orleans to the communities 02:13:32.319 --> 02:13:36.780 of Weitchpec, Watech, Johnsons and Oreck to serve residents 02:13:36.789 --> 02:13:40.000 anchor institutions and businesses along the way. And 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.549 will be connecting last mile locations with fixed wireless. 02:13:44.169 --> 02:13:46.689 In addition to the homes, clinics, schools and tribal 02:13:46.689 --> 02:13:49.949 offices. The broadband service provided by this project 02:13:49.959 --> 02:13:54.039 will enable 8 first responder agencies and 14 other 02:13:54.039 --> 02:13:56.699 anchor institutions within the project area to assist 02:13:56.699 --> 02:13:59.500 in communicating with first responders. In the event 02:13:59.510 --> 02:14:02.929 of an emergency. And I request your approval of the 02:14:02.929 --> 02:14:06.169 draft resolution. Thank you. 02:14:06.169 --> 02:14:10.059 Thank you, Director Osborne. Comments from Commissioners? 02:14:12.610 --> 02:14:16.100 Commissioner Houck? 02:14:16.100 --> 02:14:20.100 Thank you, President Reynolds. So I'm pleased to 02:14:20.100 --> 02:14:23.299 support this resolution. Um, which approves the relevant 02:14:23.299 --> 02:14:25.970 environmental documents and allows the release of the 02:14:25.980 --> 02:14:29.199 California Advanced Services funds. As described by 02:14:29.209 --> 02:14:35.140 um, Director Osborne. Um again, um I just want to underscore 02:14:35.140 --> 02:14:38.280 that this project is going to be serving a significant 02:14:38.280 --> 02:14:43.370 amount of unserved, isolated rural areas on tribal lands. 02:14:43.799 --> 02:14:48.049 And that um, this is an important project that's been 02:14:48.049 --> 02:14:53.740 in the works for um, I think roughly a decade now. Um, 02:14:53.740 --> 02:14:57.039 and as we've consistently noted, these services are 02:14:57.039 --> 02:14:59.919 essential for modern life from accessing emergency 02:14:59.919 --> 02:15:03.020 services, and public health information, to education 02:15:03.020 --> 02:15:08.659 work, entertainment, and participation in um, 02:15:08.659 --> 02:15:14.429 um, democratic processes, as well as um, robust work, 02:15:14.439 --> 02:15:18.289 entertainment and participants um, communication services, 02:15:18.299 --> 02:15:23.679 are, I'm sorry. Um, these robust communication services 02:15:23.679 --> 02:15:27.650 are crucial for community engagement and economic development. 02:15:27.659 --> 02:15:30.189 Um I just want to say that I'm really proud of the 02:15:30.189 --> 02:15:32.880 work that we're doing here. And being able to support 02:15:32.890 --> 02:15:37.020 this project um, that is so important to the tribal 02:15:37.030 --> 02:15:42.039 communities in um, the northern part of the State. Um, 02:15:42.039 --> 02:15:44.860 The Commission supports non traditional service providers 02:15:44.860 --> 02:15:47.720 particularly tribes. And I hope this project serves 02:15:47.720 --> 02:15:50.949 as an example for other tribes. Um, that we'll continue 02:15:50.949 --> 02:15:54.850 to see that um, we do support these projects and that 02:15:54.850 --> 02:15:57.679 they will apply for broadband deployment projects. 02:15:57.689 --> 02:16:01.159 Um and I would just encourage any tribes that are interested 02:16:01.159 --> 02:16:04.260 in pursuing similar projects to touch base with our 02:16:04.260 --> 02:16:07.689 Communications Division Staff. Um look at our Technical 02:16:07.689 --> 02:16:10.640 Assistance Program and some of the funding opportunities 02:16:10.650 --> 02:16:13.990 that we have available. And I commend the hard work 02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:19.230 of um, all of the folks at the Karuk and Yurok tribes. 02:16:19.240 --> 02:16:22.419 Who worked tirelessly to see this project get up and 02:16:22.419 --> 02:16:25.610 running. I want to thank our Commission Sequence Staff, 02:16:25.610 --> 02:16:28.780 especially the current project lead Connie Chen, as 02:16:28.789 --> 02:16:33.419 well as um Jensen Uchada. Who worked on this project um, prior 02:16:33.419 --> 02:16:36.939 to his retirement. And finally I want to thank our Communications 02:16:36.939 --> 02:16:40.650 division staff including Selena Wong, Luke Fisher, Karen 02:16:40.659 --> 02:16:45.909 Eckersley, Phil Ennis, and um Hayden Doulas in getting 02:16:45.909 --> 02:16:49.010 us to this point. I want to thank Director Osborne. 02:16:49.010 --> 02:16:52.100 I want to thank my Advisor Eileen Odell, as well for 02:16:52.100 --> 02:16:55.630 all of her work in keeping me updated on this. And I 02:16:55.630 --> 02:16:59.270 look forward to seeing the milestones um, progress as 02:16:59.280 --> 02:17:03.209 the project rolls out. And um, it becomes live. So thank 02:17:03.209 --> 02:17:06.569 you. 02:17:06.569 --> 02:17:09.230 Thank you. Other Commissioners? Commissioners Shiroma. 02:17:10.720 --> 02:17:13.250 Thank you, President Reynolds. I will also be supporting 02:17:13.250 --> 02:17:18.190 this resolution. Along with the various team members, 02:17:18.200 --> 02:17:24.950 think by uh, Commissioner Houck. Uh, I would like to thank 02:17:24.960 --> 02:17:29.599 Hayward Doulos, Vincent Kope, and Louise Fisher. Further 02:17:29.599 --> 02:17:34.180 work on this Climate River Rural Broadband Initiative 02:17:34.180 --> 02:17:38.700 project. But it can come to fruition and break ground. 02:17:39.889 --> 02:17:42.970 This project is reflective of the many middle mile 02:17:42.970 --> 02:17:45.329 and last mile projects that the Commission continues 02:17:45.339 --> 02:17:49.450 to support. In our efforts to ensure essential broadband 02:17:49.450 --> 02:17:54.829 connectivity and quality of life. As outlined by uh, 02:17:54.839 --> 02:17:59.559 Director Osborne. This project is unique in its collaboration, 02:17:59.559 --> 02:18:03.599 between the Karuk and Yurok tribes. Build and operate 02:18:03.609 --> 02:18:08.639 a fiber network, for high speed internet. Um the, the 02:18:08.639 --> 02:18:13.089 households that it will support, the anchor institutions 02:18:13.099 --> 02:18:18.280 healthcare clinics, public schools, the, the first responder 02:18:18.280 --> 02:18:25.210 agencies. Uh, will really provide for that connectivity, 02:18:25.210 --> 02:18:29.530 that is so important to uh, for folks to be able to 02:18:29.539 --> 02:18:33.000 do their jobs. To be able to access the information 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:36.160 that is needed. Again, to provide for that quality of 02:18:36.160 --> 02:18:40.770 life, that everyone should have access to. So I really 02:18:40.770 --> 02:18:43.680 pleased to support this resolution. Thank you and back 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:46.609 to you, President Reynolds. 02:18:46.609 --> 02:18:50.270 Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. Uh, let's see. Commissioner 02:18:50.270 --> 02:18:53.629 Reynolds. 02:18:53.629 --> 02:18:57.139 Thank you, President Reynolds. And I would reiterate 02:18:57.139 --> 02:18:59.399 my colleague's thanks to the Communications Division. 02:18:59.410 --> 02:19:02.960 And I appreciate Hayward Doulos, and Louise Fischer, 02:19:02.970 --> 02:19:05.349 responding to my office's questions about this item. 02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:09.339 First proposed in 2013, this resolution is the third 02:19:09.339 --> 02:19:12.289 and final step. In authorizing the conditionally awarded 02:19:12.299 --> 02:19:16.539 funds for the Karuk and Yurok Tribes, Climate River Rural 02:19:16.539 --> 02:19:19.760 Broadband Initiative project in Humboldt County. The 02:19:19.760 --> 02:19:22.609 proposed project would extend approximately 104 miles. 02:19:22.619 --> 02:19:26.579 Through rural Humboldt County and would, would be distributed 02:19:26.579 --> 02:19:30.359 to reach unserved and underserved communities. I'm 02:19:30.359 --> 02:19:33.559 excited that this project will provide critical infrastructure 02:19:33.569 --> 02:19:37.639 for networks to provide high speed internet, do first 02:19:37.639 --> 02:19:40.950 responder agencies, anchor institutions, households 02:19:40.950 --> 02:19:45.089 and dispenses. With an estimated completion date, by 02:19:45.089 --> 02:19:49.250 the end of 2024. I look forward to monitoring the project's 02:19:49.250 --> 02:19:52.200 milestones. I'm appreciative of the thorough review 02:19:52.200 --> 02:19:55.389 process that the project underwent. And I will be supporting 02:19:55.389 --> 02:20:01.260 this item. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner 02:20:01.260 --> 02:20:05.619 Rechtschaffen. Thank you. I would also like to extend my 02:20:05.619 --> 02:20:10.049 appreciation to all the Staff, who worked so hard on 02:20:10.049 --> 02:20:15.980 this. And I'm really exceptionally pleased, that this 02:20:15.980 --> 02:20:18.849 project is going forward and we're, and I'm able to 02:20:18.849 --> 02:20:24.450 be here to vote on this final decision. About 3.5 years 02:20:24.450 --> 02:20:29.849 ago I visit, had the opportunity to visit with the Karuk 02:20:29.849 --> 02:20:33.410 and the Yurok. And talk about this project, while it was 02:20:33.420 --> 02:20:39.010 still in process. And also visit the area, that part 02:20:39.010 --> 02:20:42.619 of the area that's being connected. And as my colleagues 02:20:42.619 --> 02:20:48.309 have said, this really connects very isolated rural 02:20:48.309 --> 02:20:52.270 communities. In ancestral territories of the tribes, 02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:55.710 uh, with the modern world, with a digitally connected 02:20:55.720 --> 02:21:00.089 world. The need is overwhelming and very compelling. 02:21:02.129 --> 02:21:06.720 And when you go up there, you realize not just how isolated 02:21:06.720 --> 02:21:11.000 the communities are. And how daunting the physical setup 02:21:11.010 --> 02:21:15.920 is, but how complex a project like this is. Building 02:21:15.930 --> 02:21:21.089 across the land of the tribes. Uh and I think this 02:21:21.089 --> 02:21:23.930 project involved not just two tribal governments, but 02:21:23.940 --> 02:21:29.180 12 agencies working at different points to build out 02:21:29.190 --> 02:21:34.319 this whole 100 mile plus fiber network. As well as numerous 02:21:34.319 --> 02:21:38.760 contractors. So I'm really delighted to be able to 02:21:38.770 --> 02:21:43.039 support this decision, and bring these services to these 02:21:43.049 --> 02:21:47.869 underserved communities. Thank you. 02:21:47.869 --> 02:21:52.780 Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen. Um, I will also note, that I 02:21:52.780 --> 02:21:56.490 am very pleased to support this item as well. Um, it's 02:21:56.490 --> 02:21:59.859 an important project. You heard um, some of the attributes 02:21:59.869 --> 02:22:03.299 from other Commissioners. I also want to note, that 02:22:03.309 --> 02:22:07.030 um, the project is a reminder of the complexities involved 02:22:07.030 --> 02:22:10.339 in deploying broadband infrastructure. Um, we have to 02:22:10.339 --> 02:22:13.089 think about network design, financing, interconnection, 02:22:13.089 --> 02:22:16.710 permitting, environmental review. It takes significant 02:22:16.710 --> 02:22:20.539 time and effort, and any one of these steps, can delay 02:22:20.539 --> 02:22:24.230 a project. We learned that from this project, and many 02:22:24.230 --> 02:22:27.589 others, since this project was originally approved in 02:22:27.589 --> 02:22:33.750 2013. Um, but we've also made many improvements to our 02:22:33.750 --> 02:22:37.940 broadband programs. Providing both Tribal and local 02:22:37.950 --> 02:22:40.819 agency technical assistance grants, creating a new 02:22:40.819 --> 02:22:44.410 team of broadband brand, band caseworkers to assist 02:22:44.420 --> 02:22:47.539 applicants, increasing the amount of project funding, 02:22:47.549 --> 02:22:51.559 and, and putting in motion the creation of a Statewide 02:22:51.569 --> 02:22:55.329 middle mile network, just to name a few. So I'm looking 02:22:55.329 --> 02:22:59.829 forward to future successes like this one. I'm hopeful 02:22:59.829 --> 02:23:03.160 that these advancements will improve outcomes for pending 02:23:03.160 --> 02:23:07.190 and future projects throughout the State. Um, and I 02:23:07.190 --> 02:23:10.500 would also really like to extend my thanks, to the broadband 02:23:10.500 --> 02:23:13.149 infrastructure grant and secret team for their work 02:23:13.149 --> 02:23:15.789 in getting this project approved, a lot of hard work 02:23:15.789 --> 02:23:18.839 there. So with that, I am really heartened to see this 02:23:18.839 --> 02:23:22.109 project move forward and I do support this resolution. 02:23:23.079 --> 02:23:27.020 Um, with that I would like to ask for a motion on 02:23:27.030 --> 02:23:29.920 item 9? 02:23:29.920 --> 02:23:32.530 So moved. 02:23:32.530 --> 02:23:36.119 Oh, I heard you. Well, I saw Commissioner Houck's hand first. 02:23:36.129 --> 02:23:38.920 So motion by Commissioner Houck. And Commissioner Rechtschaffen, 02:23:38.930 --> 02:23:44.069 would you like to second? Second. Okay, we have 02:23:44.079 --> 02:23:47.270 a motion and a second. Agenda Clerk, could you please 02:23:47.280 --> 02:23:53.980 call the roll? Commissioner John Reynolds? Yes. Commissioner Houck? 02:23:53.980 --> 02:23:59.940 Yes. Commissioner Shiroma? Yes. Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 02:24:00.629 --> 02:24:06.440 Yes. President Alice Reynolds? Yes. The vote is 5-0. The 02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:10.559 item is approved. The next item on the agenda is item 02:24:10.559 --> 02:24:17.559 35. Item 35 is R20-01-007. It's a 02:24:17.559 --> 02:24:21.520 proposed decision um, on an order instituting rulemaking. 02:24:21.520 --> 02:24:25.410 That establishes policies, processes and rules. To ensure 02:24:25.410 --> 02:24:28.730 safe and reliable gas systems, and to perform long term 02:24:28.740 --> 02:24:32.069 gas system planning. Uh, Commissioner Rechtschaffen, 02:24:32.069 --> 02:24:35.490 would you like to open this item? Thank you, President 02:24:35.490 --> 02:24:42.030 Reynolds. Uh, this proposed decision is designed to 02:24:42.030 --> 02:24:48.020 be a important part of a larger set of issues. We're 02:24:48.020 --> 02:24:52.720 working here at the Commission, and in particular a 02:24:52.730 --> 02:25:00.309 our long term gas uh, tradition OIR. What we're doing, 02:25:00.309 --> 02:25:03.530 what this decision would do. Would be to establish for 02:25:03.530 --> 02:25:08.950 the first time. A specific regulatory framework and 02:25:08.950 --> 02:25:13.039 it would be in the form of a general order. For that 02:25:13.049 --> 02:25:17.339 govern site specific approvals, for significant new 02:25:17.349 --> 02:25:23.549 gas infrastructure projects. As we decarbonize, as 02:25:23.549 --> 02:25:26.829 we reduce the reliance for the natural gas sector. As 02:25:26.829 --> 02:25:30.750 we move towards the now statutorily mandated carbon 02:25:30.750 --> 02:25:35.720 neutrality goals. We need orders like this to minimize, 02:25:35.730 --> 02:25:40.089 the risk of stranded assets in the gas system. But 02:25:40.089 --> 02:25:43.539 just to set the table right now. Gas infrastructure, 02:25:43.549 --> 02:25:47.579 gas infrastructure projects, uh no matter how large 02:25:47.579 --> 02:25:52.379 they are. Are reviewed only in general rate cases. 02:25:52.389 --> 02:25:56.680 And uh as we know, general rate cases are massive. 02:25:56.690 --> 02:26:02.490 (inaudible) with hundreds of pages, dozens and dozens of items 02:26:02.500 --> 02:26:07.289 multiple parties, a wide range of issues. So, individual 02:26:07.289 --> 02:26:10.539 gas infrastructure projects, don't get the level of 02:26:10.549 --> 02:26:16.500 scrutiny uh, that they deserve. Uh, that's not consistent 02:26:16.500 --> 02:26:19.359 with our goal of progressively reducing our reliance 02:26:19.359 --> 02:26:22.599 on the gas system. And it certainly doesn't allow for 02:26:22.599 --> 02:26:26.970 very much public engagement about these projects. Going 02:26:26.970 --> 02:26:30.539 forward. Under this decision, utilities will be required 02:26:30.539 --> 02:26:35.059 to file for approval. And in particular to get a CPCN, 02:26:35.059 --> 02:26:37.990 a certificate of public convenience and necessity. 02:26:38.639 --> 02:26:42.480 For projects that meet certain thresholds. And there's 02:26:42.490 --> 02:26:49.930 two thresholds. One is are the projects worth or valued 02:26:49.930 --> 02:26:54.599 at $75 million? Is that, is that the size of the project? 02:26:54.609 --> 02:26:57.849 Or will they have a significant air quality impact? 02:26:58.430 --> 02:27:02.740 Uh, as defined in the decision. And that's essentially 02:27:02.740 --> 02:27:06.539 projects that are going to require permits from the 02:27:06.539 --> 02:27:09.990 local Air Quality Management District. Because of an 02:27:09.990 --> 02:27:12.839 increase in the level of either toxic air contaminants 02:27:12.849 --> 02:27:18.119 or criteria air pollutants. We want to focus our attention 02:27:18.129 --> 02:27:22.619 and our stakeholders attention on the most consequential 02:27:22.629 --> 02:27:26.720 projects. Those with substantial community and environmental 02:27:26.720 --> 02:27:30.660 impacts. Those that are have significant repair consequences. 02:27:31.260 --> 02:27:36.010 We already have a general order in place like this 02:27:36.020 --> 02:27:39.450 on the electricity side. We've had that for about 25 02:27:39.450 --> 02:27:42.440 years, and this is very comparable to what we do for 02:27:42.440 --> 02:27:46.149 electric infrastructure projects. The general order 02:27:46.149 --> 02:27:51.200 exempts uh, certain projects, emergency projects, consistent 02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:55.649 with our priority on safety, reliability. Certain projects 02:27:56.470 --> 02:28:01.129 scheduled to be in service by January 2024. Routine 02:28:01.139 --> 02:28:05.799 repair and maintenance projects and some others. Um, 02:28:05.809 --> 02:28:09.549 we struggled about whether to exempt projects required 02:28:09.559 --> 02:28:13.240 for environmental compliance. On the one hand, it may 02:28:13.240 --> 02:28:17.480 be large. And maybe the precisely the kind of projects 02:28:17.490 --> 02:28:22.220 we want to do a more depth, in depth analysis of alternatives 02:28:22.230 --> 02:28:25.879 that are non pipeline alternatives. On the other hand, 02:28:25.889 --> 02:28:28.539 we heard from the utilities and, and others. That we 02:28:28.539 --> 02:28:31.990 need an exemption, because otherwise we'd be blocking 02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:37.030 beneficial environmental projects. Uh, designed to reduce 02:28:37.030 --> 02:28:41.639 air, air emissions uh, to comply with state and local 02:28:41.639 --> 02:28:47.460 air quality rules. In the end, the PD uh, which is 02:28:47.460 --> 02:28:51.450 a compromise. It creates a narrow grandfathering provision, 02:28:51.460 --> 02:28:54.960 for these types of environmental compliance projects. 02:28:55.619 --> 02:29:00.260 For where an application has been filed uh, with an 02:29:00.260 --> 02:29:03.240 air district to comply with an environmental rule. 02:29:03.240 --> 02:29:06.430 A specific environmental review before the effective 02:29:06.430 --> 02:29:09.899 date of the general order. So for those class of projects, 02:29:10.510 --> 02:29:16.260 the general order rules don't apply. For projects that 02:29:16.270 --> 02:29:19.000 are within the scope of the order, applicants have 02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:23.549 to file instead of detailed information. Um, the potential 02:29:23.549 --> 02:29:28.230 impacts, non pipeline alternatives, safety and reliability 02:29:28.230 --> 02:29:33.309 impacts, rate their impacts, how are they engaged with 02:29:33.309 --> 02:29:37.280 local communities. Basically what, what's the need for 02:29:37.280 --> 02:29:39.920 the project? What are the alternatives? How have you 02:29:39.920 --> 02:29:42.760 engaged the community? 02:29:42.760 --> 02:29:48.010 Beyond that, beyond the site specific review. Another 02:29:48.010 --> 02:29:51.730 aspect of the framework, causes a really important gap 02:29:51.740 --> 02:29:55.970 in our long term gas planning process. And specifically 02:29:55.970 --> 02:30:00.530 right now, we don't have a very good sense or nor does 02:30:00.530 --> 02:30:05.149 the public, about the utilities long term gas plans. 02:30:05.160 --> 02:30:08.460 What they plan to invest in the next 5, 10, 15 years. 02:30:08.470 --> 02:30:13.149 So it's hard for us to formulate long term plans for 02:30:13.149 --> 02:30:16.020 the gas system. Without insight into how the utilities 02:30:16.020 --> 02:30:19.180 are planning the system, in the next 10, 20 years and 02:30:19.190 --> 02:30:24.079 so forth. As a result, this order would require utilities 02:30:24.089 --> 02:30:28.240 to file every year. A report dealing, detailing these 02:30:28.879 --> 02:30:31.599 projects. And here we have a lower threshold of the 02:30:31.599 --> 02:30:35.059 reporting threshold. Any projects exceeding $50 million over the 02:30:35.059 --> 02:30:39.990 next 10 years. Again, information about the project. How 02:30:39.990 --> 02:30:44.410 much do you plan to expend capital expenditures? Environmental 02:30:44.410 --> 02:30:49.510 implications, cost drivers and so forth. And if you're 02:30:49.510 --> 02:30:52.799 planning within the next 5 years, we require even 02:30:52.799 --> 02:30:56.770 more information. Non pipe on alternatives, reliability 02:30:56.770 --> 02:31:00.889 benefits, projected costs. But that's, those are the 02:31:00.899 --> 02:31:05.099 two key elements of the general order. The requirement 02:31:05.109 --> 02:31:09.930 for site specific review uh, and the CPCN. And 02:31:09.930 --> 02:31:13.399 then information to fill in the gap, we have in the 02:31:13.399 --> 02:31:18.119 longer term, in our longer term efforts. In the meantime, 02:31:18.129 --> 02:31:21.260 while this is probably best viewed, as something of 02:31:21.260 --> 02:31:26.190 an interim or stopgap step. To prevent us from incurring 02:31:26.190 --> 02:31:28.730 the risk of stranded assets and investing. Throwing 02:31:28.730 --> 02:31:31.180 more good money after bad, if you will. In the system 02:31:31.180 --> 02:31:34.569 we don't, we need to be carbonized. Iin our underlying 02:31:34.569 --> 02:31:37.789 proceeding, we're continuing to work on developing 02:31:37.789 --> 02:31:41.720 a longer term gas planning strategy. And that includes 02:31:41.720 --> 02:31:44.960 a lot of elements, including how we best selectively 02:31:44.960 --> 02:31:48.740 prune the gas system? Have targeted electrification. 02:31:48.750 --> 02:31:53.520 How we transition workers and hard to electrify sectors? 02:31:53.530 --> 02:31:57.329 And we're also considering in that proceeding. Should 02:31:57.329 --> 02:32:02.440 we require utilities to submit long term decarbonization 02:32:02.440 --> 02:32:07.039 and reliability plans, to better help us with planning? 02:32:07.049 --> 02:32:10.680 Should we have something like integrated resource plans, 02:32:10.680 --> 02:32:13.490 which we have on the electricity side of course, in 02:32:13.490 --> 02:32:16.619 the gas side? And the many other issues, but this is 02:32:16.619 --> 02:32:20.260 one element that helps us in the, in the, in the interim. 02:32:20.270 --> 02:32:23.460 I want to thank a very diverse set of stakeholders, 02:32:23.470 --> 02:32:26.569 who helped, this participate in this proceeding. It 02:32:26.569 --> 02:32:30.799 was a lot of practical input, made this a more robust 02:32:30.799 --> 02:32:34.280 and pragmatic framework. Many people at the Commission 02:32:34.280 --> 02:32:37.639 worked this, for most of this year. I want to thank 02:32:37.649 --> 02:32:40.740 Judge Fogel, who thought about many thorny issues we 02:32:40.740 --> 02:32:44.240 have to work through. And then the Gas Team in the Energy 02:32:44.240 --> 02:32:47.690 Division, the Safety Team and the secret team. This 02:32:47.690 --> 02:32:52.399 was a multi a, multi team effort, among the people who 02:32:52.399 --> 02:32:55.849 worked on this. In addition to Judge Fogel, Jean Spencer, 02:32:55.859 --> 02:33:00.430 Eileen Halvca, Bruce Kaneshiro, Mada Puna, Christine 02:33:00.430 --> 02:33:03.470 Route, John Foresight. And then in the Legal Department, 02:33:03.470 --> 02:33:05.980 I forgot the Legal Department. They deserve top billing, 02:33:05.980 --> 02:33:08.770 along with gas, safety, and secret. I apologize, won't 02:33:08.770 --> 02:33:12.480 happen again. Jack Mulligan, who is a real expert and 02:33:12.480 --> 02:33:15.940 sequin provided a lot of excellent legal advice. I 02:33:15.940 --> 02:33:20.030 want to thank President Reynolds, my bagly keen partner. 02:33:20.039 --> 02:33:23.569 And her Advisers, Jason Meager, also a secret expert 02:33:23.569 --> 02:33:28.190 and Danon Davasala, and Carrie Fleischer. Uh and a special shout 02:33:28.190 --> 02:33:31.180 out to Cindy George, my Advisor. Who worked tirelessly 02:33:31.180 --> 02:33:35.030 on this and shepherded through with many, many rounds 02:33:35.030 --> 02:33:38.329 of a Staff proposal and changes along with my Chief 02:33:38.329 --> 02:33:42.690 of Staff, Sean Simon. With that, I ask for your support. 02:33:46.780 --> 02:33:50.190 Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen. I'll make some 02:33:50.190 --> 02:33:52.859 brief remarks first, and then call on other Commissioners. 02:33:52.869 --> 02:33:54.680 I do want to thank you Commissioner Rechtschaffen, 02:33:54.680 --> 02:33:58.649 for your leadership on this really important item. Um 02:33:58.649 --> 02:34:02.240 as well as, your Advisers um, ALJ Hogle and the Staff 02:34:02.240 --> 02:34:04.530 of our Energy Division, Legal Division, and my own Staff. 02:34:04.690 --> 02:34:08.180 I was going to name them all. Um, but you have done 02:34:08.180 --> 02:34:10.740 that. And I really did want to just say ditto to that, 02:34:10.740 --> 02:34:13.640 and add my thanks to each individual that you named 02:34:13.649 --> 02:34:17.530 personally for their work on this item. Um, it truly 02:34:17.530 --> 02:34:22.160 was a wonderful effort. Um, as Commissioner Rechtschaffen 02:34:22.169 --> 02:34:26.720 outlined. Um, the decision is an important step um, in 02:34:26.720 --> 02:34:30.879 our decarbonization efforts. It includes both smart 02:34:30.879 --> 02:34:33.910 planning as well as increased oversight and review. 02:34:33.919 --> 02:34:37.530 Um, and I also recognize that there are many policy 02:34:37.530 --> 02:34:39.910 considerations that were taken into account in the 02:34:39.910 --> 02:34:43.280 decision. And the Staff and the parties put forward 02:34:43.290 --> 02:34:46.700 a lot of good ideas, as to when and what circumstances 02:34:46.709 --> 02:34:50.519 to require or not require CPCN permit. The 02:34:50.519 --> 02:34:53.410 decision uh, strikes a tough balance, but I believe 02:34:53.410 --> 02:34:57.510 it's the right one. Between requiring um, CPUC permitting 02:34:57.510 --> 02:35:00.430 oversight to ensure proper review of environmental 02:35:00.430 --> 02:35:05.689 equity and need and cost considerations. While not delaying 02:35:05.700 --> 02:35:09.010 those projects that improve conditions, as well as those 02:35:09.019 --> 02:35:11.919 projects that are necessary for emergency or safety 02:35:11.919 --> 02:35:14.580 work, which of course is also essential to protect 02:35:14.589 --> 02:35:19.390 communities. The CTCM requirements are appropriately 02:35:19.390 --> 02:35:23.649 targeted towards both large investments and air quality 02:35:23.649 --> 02:35:26.390 impacts on communities, especially communities that 02:35:26.390 --> 02:35:29.870 are already impacted by poor air quality. The focus 02:35:29.879 --> 02:35:32.870 is important and it's the type of focus that is called 02:35:32.870 --> 02:35:36.609 for in our own environmental and social justice policy. 02:35:37.180 --> 02:35:39.999 Um, I also appreciate the notification requirements. 02:35:40.010 --> 02:35:42.830 Which are designed to increase the information. That's 02:35:42.830 --> 02:35:45.830 available to the public and enable members of the public 02:35:45.839 --> 02:35:50.269 to be meaningfully involved in the CPUC process. Um, 02:35:50.280 --> 02:35:53.430 and then additionally, I also support the requirement 02:35:53.439 --> 02:35:57.229 for the report on planned gas investments that Commissioner 02:35:57.229 --> 02:36:01.209 Rechtschaffen mentioned. Um, this will help the CPUC 02:36:01.209 --> 02:36:04.169 and the public, see how regulated gas corporations are 02:36:04.169 --> 02:36:06.879 planning to meet the safety and energy reliability 02:36:06.879 --> 02:36:10.189 needs. While avoiding stranded assets and costs in the 02:36:10.189 --> 02:36:13.780 decarbonization market. So really support the increased 02:36:13.780 --> 02:36:17.149 transparency. Um, this is an important step. It's of 02:36:17.149 --> 02:36:20.089 course not the end of the story, as Commissioner Rechtschaffen 02:36:20.089 --> 02:36:23.209 described. Um, it will work in concert with 02:36:23.220 --> 02:36:26.290 other decisions that we make in the long term gas system 02:36:26.290 --> 02:36:30.879 planning framework. Um and, and it will help to make 02:36:30.890 --> 02:36:34.589 the system of the future size for the future. While 02:36:34.589 --> 02:36:37.950 meeting safety reliability, environmental and social 02:36:37.959 --> 02:36:42.209 justice needs of today. I do support the proposed decision. 02:36:42.950 --> 02:36:46.240 Um, looking forward to hearing comments from other Commissioners. 02:36:47.470 --> 02:36:50.510 Anyone else would like to speak to this? Let's see, 02:36:50.510 --> 02:36:54.280 Commissioner Reynolds, I saw your hand first. 02:36:54.280 --> 02:36:57.799 Thank you, President Reynolds. I would like to thank 02:36:57.810 --> 02:37:00.260 Commissioner Rechtschaffen for your leadership in this 02:37:00.260 --> 02:37:03.799 area. And thanks also to Judge Fogel and all the Staff 02:37:03.810 --> 02:37:06.669 who supported this item. It's not every day that we 02:37:06.669 --> 02:37:09.979 adopt a new general order. So big kudos to Commissioner 02:37:09.979 --> 02:37:12.519 Rechtschaffen and the proceeding team, who have gotten us 02:37:12.519 --> 02:37:17.470 to this point. Um, this new general order is an important 02:37:17.470 --> 02:37:20.490 and necessary step in evaluating gas infrastructure 02:37:20.490 --> 02:37:25.049 projects serving California. Um, this general order 02:37:25.049 --> 02:37:28.149 will fill an important regulatory gap, providing a 02:37:28.149 --> 02:37:31.589 mechanism for project review for large, environmentally 02:37:31.589 --> 02:37:34.740 significant gas infrastructure projects in the near 02:37:34.740 --> 02:37:38.450 term. As the Commission continues its work towards developing 02:37:38.450 --> 02:37:42.359 a long term gas planning strategy. 02:37:42.359 --> 02:37:48.030 I really appreciate that, um, this decision will clarify 02:37:48.040 --> 02:37:52.129 what criteria gas infrastructure CPCN applications 02:37:52.129 --> 02:37:56.100 should meet, and provide the time frame for implementation. 02:37:56.850 --> 02:38:01.830 I am glad to see that planned projects will be identified 02:38:01.830 --> 02:38:05.649 if they're located in a ESJ community. Pursuant to 02:38:05.649 --> 02:38:10.399 our ESJ action plan and I really appreciate the development 02:38:10.399 --> 02:38:14.859 there. Um, I will be supporting this item. I really 02:38:14.859 --> 02:38:18.319 appreciate the step forward that we're taking here, 02:38:18.330 --> 02:38:22.359 for the gas industry. And I'll look forward to the uh, 02:38:22.370 --> 02:38:26.140 the gas project plans. That we will be seeing in the 02:38:26.149 --> 02:38:30.160 longer term vision for how the systems will evolve. 02:38:30.169 --> 02:38:34.069 To meet customer needs and mostly general liability. 02:38:34.649 --> 02:38:36.720 Thank you. 02:38:36.720 --> 02:38:40.560 Thank you. Um, I think I saw everyone's hand. So I'll 02:38:40.560 --> 02:38:44.209 go to Commissioner Houck next. 02:38:44.209 --> 02:38:46.720 Thank you, President Reynolds and I'll just reiterate 02:38:46.720 --> 02:38:49.479 what Commissioner Reynolds said. This is a really huge 02:38:49.479 --> 02:38:52.790 accomplishment to adopt a general order. That, that doesn't 02:38:52.790 --> 02:38:55.589 happen every day. So um, congratulations Commissioner 02:38:55.589 --> 02:38:58.030 Rechtschaffen for getting this across the finish line. 02:38:58.040 --> 02:39:01.240 I really want to thank you for your leadership um, and 02:39:01.240 --> 02:39:03.790 the Staff for leading this effort to create a thorough 02:39:03.799 --> 02:39:07.149 review process for large gas infrastructure investment. 02:39:07.160 --> 02:39:09.740 Which is consistent with the review we provide for 02:39:09.740 --> 02:39:13.269 large electrical infrastructure. This is a significant 02:39:13.269 --> 02:39:16.740 step forward striking a balance between energy reliability 02:39:16.740 --> 02:39:20.899 cost, safety, environmental justice concerns and ratepayer 02:39:20.899 --> 02:39:24.740 interest. This gas um, infrastructure general order 02:39:24.740 --> 02:39:27.470 create safeguards for air quality and regions near 02:39:27.470 --> 02:39:30.479 communities and allows us to prevent stranded assets 02:39:30.490 --> 02:39:33.410 as we proceed with our energy transition to achieve 02:39:33.410 --> 02:39:37.330 our climate goals. So again, I just want to thank um, 02:39:37.810 --> 02:39:40.620 Commissioner Rechtschaffen your office, um Administrative 02:39:40.620 --> 02:39:44.810 Law Judge Cathy Fogle, Energy Division Staff Eileen 02:39:44.979 --> 02:39:48.560 Bocca and Jean Spencer. As well as, Jack Mulligan from 02:39:48.560 --> 02:39:53.339 Legal and my Chief of Staff, Karen Song, who has helped 02:39:53.339 --> 02:39:57.510 advise me and reviewing the decision. And again, um 02:39:57.519 --> 02:40:00.620 I think this is uh, was a heroic effort and I'm really 02:40:00.620 --> 02:40:03.109 glad to see that that we're moving forward with this. 02:40:03.120 --> 02:40:07.149 So I will definitely be supporting um, this decision. 02:40:08.350 --> 02:40:12.540 Thank you, Commissioner Houck. Commissioner Shiroma. 02:40:12.540 --> 02:40:15.129 Thank you, President Reynolds, I will also be supporting 02:40:15.129 --> 02:40:18.930 this proposed decision today. I very much appreciate 02:40:18.930 --> 02:40:23.439 that the triggers described in this decision. Um, will 02:40:23.439 --> 02:40:26.640 focus our most thorough review and public participation 02:40:26.640 --> 02:40:31.350 efforts. On the most environmentally impactful and costly 02:40:31.359 --> 02:40:35.879 gas infrastructure projects. I appreciate that the 02:40:35.890 --> 02:40:40.200 sensitive receptors figure specifically reference, references 02:40:40.209 --> 02:40:45.069 criteria air pollutants in serious, severe or extreme 02:40:45.069 --> 02:40:48.519 nonattainment areas. In which most of our disadvantaged 02:40:48.519 --> 02:40:52.999 communities are located. Also appreciate the position 02:40:52.999 --> 02:40:56.859 of the toxic air contaminants. If there's an increase 02:40:56.859 --> 02:41:00.669 above the minimus or those set by the air quality districts. 02:41:00.680 --> 02:41:06.390 But that also is a trigger. Historically, the disadvantaged 02:41:06.390 --> 02:41:09.720 communities have not had a voice in the development 02:41:09.720 --> 02:41:13.220 of projects that affect, the very air they breathe. And 02:41:13.220 --> 02:41:17.490 our Commission has done some great work to change that. 02:41:17.499 --> 02:41:22.200 In light of our California, very ardent recolonization 02:41:22.200 --> 02:41:26.499 policies as well as the fact that an increasingly larger 02:41:26.499 --> 02:41:31.040 share of gas, great fares are low-income and located 02:41:31.040 --> 02:41:33.999 in disadvantaged communities. I think that this decision 02:41:34.010 --> 02:41:37.430 another important step towards meeting the goals of 02:41:37.430 --> 02:41:42.339 our environmental justice action plans. Kudos Commissioner Rechtschaffen 02:41:42.859 --> 02:41:47.330 and to your Staff. To the team that worked on this, 02:41:47.879 --> 02:41:52.399 including Judge Fogel, the Energy Division Staff. I want 02:41:52.399 --> 02:41:58.249 to call out Jean Spencer and Eileen (inaudible). Uh and 02:41:58.260 --> 02:42:02.799 all of the, the other team members that have been identified 02:42:02.810 --> 02:42:06.129 by you Commissioner Rechtschaffen, by President Reynolds, and 02:42:06.140 --> 02:42:12.109 others tremendous effort, many thanks. It's, it's another 02:42:12.120 --> 02:42:18.220 uh all of the feather in your cap, Commissioner Rechtschaffen. In your tenure as 02:42:18.229 --> 02:42:21.439 Commission really making a difference. Uh, I'm pleased 02:42:21.439 --> 02:42:26.459 to support the proposed decision. Thank you. 02:42:26.459 --> 02:42:29.669 Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. That concludes remarks 02:42:29.680 --> 02:42:37.910 on item 35, and I will now ask for a motion. 02:42:37.910 --> 02:42:41.410 Motion by Commissioner Houck. Is there a second? I'll second. 02:42:42.310 --> 02:42:45.999 All right, second by Commissioner Shiroma. We have a motion 02:42:45.999 --> 02:42:49.160 on the second, and a second on item 35. Agenda Clerk, 02:42:49.160 --> 02:42:52.319 could you please call the roll? Commissioner John Reynolds? 02:42:53.419 --> 02:43:00.010 Yes. Commissioner Houck? Yes. Commissioner Shiroma? Yes 02:43:00.600 --> 02:43:06.569 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? Yes. President Alice Reynolds? Yes. 02:43:07.399 --> 02:43:13.019 The vote is 5-0. The item passes. I will now go to 02:43:13.030 --> 02:43:20.890 item 36 and 36A. Um, these items relate to proposed decisions 02:43:20.890 --> 02:43:26.959 regarding A21-11-001. An application by Zenith 02:43:26.959 --> 02:43:31.060 Energy West Coast Terminals LLC to remove its designation 02:43:31.069 --> 02:43:33.959 as a public utility. Um, Commissioner Houck, would 02:43:33.959 --> 02:43:37.410 you like to open the discussion? 02:43:37.410 --> 02:43:42.729 Yes, thank you. Um President Reynolds um, just uh background 02:43:42.729 --> 02:43:46.310 Zenith Energy West Coast Terminals filed an application 02:43:46.310 --> 02:43:48.970 to request the Commission remove their public utility 02:43:48.970 --> 02:43:52.720 designation. Um, because they assert that Zenith Terminals 02:43:52.720 --> 02:43:55.749 is not a pipeline corporation under the public utilities 02:43:55.760 --> 02:44:00.799 code. In 1980, the Legislature repealed Commission jurisdiction 02:44:00.810 --> 02:44:04.019 over what is referred to warehouseman or more commonly 02:44:04.019 --> 02:44:07.959 known as storage. Zenith Terminals asserts that this 02:44:07.959 --> 02:44:11.700 repeal as the basis for their application. And they 02:44:11.709 --> 02:44:15.319 take the position that sections 228 of the public 02:44:15.319 --> 02:44:18.549 utilities code does not apply to Zenith Terminals. 02:44:18.560 --> 02:44:23.049 Section 228 defines a pipeline corporation as follows, 02:44:23.060 --> 02:44:25.950 pipeline corporations include every person owning, 02:44:25.950 --> 02:44:28.979 controlling operating or managing any pipeline for 02:44:28.979 --> 02:44:33.519 compensation within the State. Zenith Terminals owns 02:44:33.519 --> 02:44:37.999 127 miles of pipeline, of which they acknowledge. 52 02:44:37.999 --> 02:44:40.859 miles are currently in operation and they operate the 02:44:40.859 --> 02:44:44.609 pipeline for compensation within the State. Based on 02:44:44.609 --> 02:44:47.560 the plain language meaning of a pipeline, and pipeline 02:44:47.560 --> 02:44:52.709 corporation. Um, pursuant to the proposed APD Zenith 02:44:52.720 --> 02:44:57.620 Terminals would be a pipeline corporation is defined 02:44:57.620 --> 02:45:03.350 under public utilities code 228. Additionally, they 02:45:03.350 --> 02:45:06.769 have the capability to move oil between terminals using 02:45:06.769 --> 02:45:11.780 these pipelines. And um again, the alternative proposed 02:45:11.780 --> 02:45:14.540 decision finds that the pipeline system in question 02:45:14.540 --> 02:45:18.700 was deemed a public utility in 1994. Well, after the 02:45:18.700 --> 02:45:22.790 warehouseman statute was repealed in 1980. Have the 02:45:22.790 --> 02:45:25.530 Legislature wanted to exempt companies like Zenith 02:45:25.540 --> 02:45:28.200 from Commission jurisdiction. It could have made that 02:45:28.200 --> 02:45:32.089 clear by amending the definition of pipeline corporation. 02:45:32.290 --> 02:45:35.760 The Commission maintains light touch regulation over 02:45:35.760 --> 02:45:39.100 Zenith Terminals. So long as the Zenith Terminals owns 02:45:39.100 --> 02:45:43.430 controls, operates or manages any pipeline for compensation 02:45:43.430 --> 02:45:47.629 within the State. Um, under the APD it's asserted 02:45:47.629 --> 02:45:50.100 that it should fall under Commission jurisdiction, as 02:45:50.100 --> 02:45:55.089 a public utility. Um, the proposed decision finds that 02:45:55.100 --> 02:45:59.760 um, the application should be granted and assert the 02:45:59.760 --> 02:46:05.459 arguments I stated earlier um, by Zenith. And um, for 02:46:05.459 --> 02:46:09.330 the above reasons, I would ask that we take up the 02:46:09.330 --> 02:46:12.819 vote on the alternative proposed decision. First, item 02:46:12.819 --> 02:46:17.839 36A and ask for your support um, which would maintain 02:46:17.839 --> 02:46:20.629 the Commission's jurisdiction over Zenith Terminals, 02:46:20.629 --> 02:46:25.399 and deny the application. Thank you, Commissioner Houck. 02:46:25.410 --> 02:46:30.379 Um, so I heard the request to take up item 36A 02:46:30.390 --> 02:46:34.269 first. Um, I will before doing that, we'll go to other 02:46:34.269 --> 02:46:37.879 comments from other Commissioners. 02:46:37.879 --> 02:46:40.970 Commissioner Shiroma. 02:46:40.970 --> 02:46:45.890 I thank you, President Reynolds. I will be supporting the alternative, 02:46:45.910 --> 02:46:52.200 of the alternate today. Uh, I've reviewed the legal 02:46:52.209 --> 02:46:55.680 arguments of both the proposed decision and the alternate 02:46:55.689 --> 02:47:01.709 proposed decision. And ultimately, I land on the 1955 02:47:01.709 --> 02:47:06.899 amendments to the po codes section 2398a. Only exempting 02:47:06.899 --> 02:47:10.930 operators of storage facilities, that are not also pipeline 02:47:10.930 --> 02:47:16.669 corporations. In my view, Zenith (inaudible) those in oil (inaudible) 02:47:16.669 --> 02:47:20.149 business as well as a pipeline corporation. They operate 02:47:20.149 --> 02:47:23.189 a pipeline in connection with or to facilitate the 02:47:23.200 --> 02:47:26.519 transmission storage distribution or delivery of crude 02:47:26.530 --> 02:47:30.760 oil for compensation. And make those services available 02:47:30.769 --> 02:47:37.269 to customers, uh the public. Uh, I would overall like to 02:47:37.269 --> 02:47:40.729 thank you Commissioner Houck and her Chief of Staff Carol (inaudible). 02:47:41.859 --> 02:47:49.089 Judge (inaudible), Staff Antonio (inaudible) and Energy Division Staff. 02:47:49.689 --> 02:47:55.749 (inaudible) Sorry. 02:47:55.749 --> 02:48:00.680 Sorry uh, for all of your important work on this matter. 02:48:00.689 --> 02:48:06.649 Uh and appreciate all the effort that went into the PD. Also 02:48:06.649 --> 02:48:12.450 the ultimate, ultimately, I support the alternate. Thank 02:48:12.450 --> 02:48:18.899 you. Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. Commissioner Reynolds. 02:48:18.899 --> 02:48:21.490 Thank you, President Reynolds. I would like to express 02:48:21.490 --> 02:48:25.430 my appreciation to Commissioner Houck, to Judge (inaudible), 02:48:25.430 --> 02:48:28.879 (inaudible) and to Staff for all of your work on this. 02:48:28.890 --> 02:48:33.109 Um on a fundamental level, the Commission maintains 02:48:33.109 --> 02:48:37.399 jurisdiction over the operation of pipelines for compensation. 02:48:37.410 --> 02:48:42.979 Um it's uncontested that Zenith owns controls, operates 02:48:42.979 --> 02:48:47.530 and manages a pipeline within California. Even though 02:48:47.530 --> 02:48:50.990 Zenith is not charging for pipeline transportation 02:48:50.990 --> 02:48:55.689 per se. Ultimately pipeline transportation is a service 02:48:55.689 --> 02:49:00.609 that it provides. And in any bilateral contract agreement 02:49:00.620 --> 02:49:03.959 there are costs and benefits to both parties involved. 02:49:04.850 --> 02:49:07.979 Based on the circumstance that it is today. I am not 02:49:07.979 --> 02:49:11.640 satisfied that the bilateral arrangements qualify as 02:49:11.649 --> 02:49:15.080 non compensation in this circumstance and for that 02:49:15.080 --> 02:49:17.959 reason, I support the alternative proposed decision. 02:49:17.970 --> 02:49:22.879 Thank you. 02:49:22.879 --> 02:49:24.589 Thank you, Commissioner Reynolds. Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 02:49:24.589 --> 02:49:27.589 The 02:49:27.589 --> 02:49:33.350 PD and the, the proposed decision and the alternate 02:49:33.359 --> 02:49:37.640 do present some tough issues relating to statutory 02:49:37.640 --> 02:49:43.399 interpretation that I really wrestled with. However, 02:49:43.410 --> 02:49:46.549 for the reasons that others have articulated, I am 02:49:46.549 --> 02:49:50.010 going to be supporting the alternate. The bottom line 02:49:50.010 --> 02:49:55.919 is that if you put outside other considerations, a 02:49:55.930 --> 02:49:59.359 plain meaning of the statute defining what a pipeline 02:49:59.359 --> 02:50:05.950 corporation is, is broad. And brings Zenith's, Zenith's activities 02:50:05.950 --> 02:50:08.209 under our jurisdiction. So, for that reason, I'll be 02:50:08.209 --> 02:50:11.040 supporting the alternate. 02:50:11.040 --> 02:50:14.200 Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen. Um, I will also 02:50:14.200 --> 02:50:16.910 be supporting the alternate proposed decision and I 02:50:16.910 --> 02:50:21.910 do appreciate Commissioner Houck's uh, work on this proceeding. 02:50:21.919 --> 02:50:25.069 Um, it's an interesting case. Um, it's one that I think 02:50:25.069 --> 02:50:28.479 none of us uh, take lightly as evidenced by the comments 02:50:28.479 --> 02:50:31.470 here. It is rare that we make a determination about 02:50:31.479 --> 02:50:36.600 our jurisdiction. And I think that I did consider this 02:50:36.609 --> 02:50:40.280 carefully. Um, I do agree with the comments of the other 02:50:40.280 --> 02:50:44.410 Commissioners that based on the language of the governing 02:50:44.419 --> 02:50:51.069 statutes. That um, the Zenith pipeline system is within 02:50:51.069 --> 02:50:53.930 our jurisdiction. That Zenith is a public utility, subject 02:50:53.930 --> 02:50:57.899 to the Commission's jurisdiction. So I will be supporting 02:50:57.899 --> 02:51:02.669 the alternate proposed decision. Um, with that, we have 02:51:02.669 --> 02:51:05.720 a request from Commissioner Houck to call for a motion on 02:51:05.720 --> 02:51:09.019 36A . Uh, did you want to make a comment before we, 02:51:09.030 --> 02:51:12.299 before I ask for a motion Commissioner Houck? Just 02:51:12.299 --> 02:51:15.499 very briefly, I was remiss I do really want to thank 02:51:15.510 --> 02:51:20.109 Judge (inauible) for his um, thoughtfulness 02:51:20.109 --> 02:51:22.669 in the PD, and the discussions with my office. He 02:51:22.680 --> 02:51:24.930 did a lot of work on this and I want to recognize 02:51:24.939 --> 02:51:29.620 that. And I also want to recognize um, the work of my 02:51:29.620 --> 02:51:33.100 Chief of Staff, Karen's Song on, on this. So thank you 02:51:33.109 --> 02:51:37.540 for allowing me to have one last comment on that. Absolutely. 02:51:37.540 --> 02:51:42.549 Thank you. That is an important point to add, and I 02:51:42.549 --> 02:51:45.319 also am grateful for the Judges work on this matter. 02:51:45.919 --> 02:51:51.410 Um, so I would like to ask for a motion on 36A? 02:51:51.419 --> 02:51:54.620 I moved. 02:51:54.620 --> 02:52:02.109 Motion by Commissioner Shiroma. Is there a second? 02:52:02.109 --> 02:52:06.089 I'll second. Second from Commissioner Reynolds. Um, so 02:52:06.089 --> 02:52:09.600 this is item 36A. Um, we have a motion and a 02:52:09.609 --> 02:52:12.080 second. Agenda Clerk, could you please call the roll? 02:52:13.019 --> 02:52:17.490 Commissioner John Reynolds? Yes. Commissioner Houck? 02:52:18.470 --> 02:52:24.209 Yes. Commissioner Shiroma? Yes. Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 02:52:24.919 --> 02:52:31.479 Yes. President Alice Reynolds? Yes. The vote is 5-0. The 02:52:31.479 --> 02:52:36.540 item passes. And with the approval of item 36A, item 02:52:36.540 --> 02:52:42.330 36 is withdrawn. I will now move to item 37, which 02:52:42.339 --> 02:52:45.589 is management report on administrative actions, and consumer 02:52:45.589 --> 02:52:48.280 protection and safety activities. We do not have a 02:52:48.280 --> 02:52:54.140 report under item 37. So the next agenda item is Commissioner 02:52:54.140 --> 02:52:58.839 reports. I'll go there next um, turning to Commissioner 02:52:58.839 --> 02:53:01.519 Reports, who would like to go first for their report? 02:53:04.689 --> 02:53:07.399 Commissioner Houck. 02:53:07.399 --> 02:53:11.919 Thank you. Um, I just wanted to um, briefly note that 02:53:11.919 --> 02:53:15.370 there is going to be an Integrated Energy Policy Report 02:53:15.379 --> 02:53:18.379 Commissioner workshop on Western Electricity System 02:53:18.379 --> 02:53:21.560 Integration tomorrow. That I think a number of us may 02:53:21.560 --> 02:53:25.109 be participating in, but wanted to just um, put that 02:53:25.109 --> 02:53:28.310 out there. Um, I know we'll be having some of our colleagues 02:53:28.319 --> 02:53:31.359 from other states. I think participating virtually as 02:53:31.370 --> 02:53:35.499 well. It will be a hybrid workshop. Um, I also want 02:53:35.499 --> 02:53:39.200 to note, that in the high DER OIR on December 02:53:39.200 --> 02:53:42.959 13. There's going to be a workshop to discuss the 02:53:42.959 --> 02:53:45.760 scope of work for the distribution planning, community 02:53:45.760 --> 02:53:49.310 engagement needs assessment study. And would encourage 02:53:49.310 --> 02:53:54.290 anyone interested in that including um, the Tribal governments 02:53:54.290 --> 02:53:56.899 local governments, and community based organizations. 02:53:56.910 --> 02:54:00.200 That our Staff have been meeting with to participate 02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:08.350 and provide feedback. Um, I also um just want to recognize 02:54:08.359 --> 02:54:13.720 um all of the great work that um our EV Staff has 02:54:13.729 --> 02:54:17.160 been doing over over the last year. We've had many 02:54:17.160 --> 02:54:21.899 milestones and accomplishments. So um, I just particularly 02:54:21.899 --> 02:54:25.180 want to note the work we've been doing um in the CASF 02:54:25.189 --> 02:54:27.350 proceeding, and how much I appreciate all the Staff 02:54:27.359 --> 02:54:30.970 work. I think we've gotten out um, significant decisions 02:54:30.979 --> 02:54:35.040 this year. And um, looking forward to continuing to work 02:54:35.040 --> 02:54:41.180 on these efforts over over the next year. Um and with 02:54:41.189 --> 02:54:45.769 that I think um, 02:54:45.769 --> 02:54:50.180 I think that is all I have on my list. Wonderful. Thank 02:54:50.180 --> 02:54:52.140 you. 02:54:52.140 --> 02:54:58.999 Commissioner Shiroma. Thank you. Two brief items. It's time to highlight 02:54:59.010 --> 02:55:02.620 upcoming quarterly meetings. First one is for the low- 02:55:02.620 --> 02:55:05.519 income oversight board. That will be held next week 02:55:05.519 --> 02:55:10.879 Thursday on December 8, at 10 am to 3:30 pm. It 02:55:10.879 --> 02:55:14.999 will be a hybrid meeting this time with a virtual attendance 02:55:15.540 --> 02:55:19.600 and also in person at the (inaudible) State Energy 02:55:19.600 --> 02:55:23.180 building in Sacramento. The industrial owned utilities will 02:55:23.180 --> 02:55:28.280 be providing supports (inaudible) programs. Those 02:55:28.280 --> 02:55:31.740 are the low-income discount programs. Where they will 02:55:31.740 --> 02:55:34.430 also be reporting on what's happening with disconnections 02:55:34.439 --> 02:55:39.149 and (inaudible) management. And the LALB will be discussing 02:55:39.149 --> 02:55:44.189 new Legislation assigned by the Governor, Senate Bill 1208, 02:55:44.200 --> 02:55:48.430 by Central Western. It requires consideration by the 02:55:48.439 --> 02:55:53.569 CPUC of a universal application system, a low-income utility 02:55:53.569 --> 02:55:58.010 customer assistance programs. A concurrent application 02:55:58.010 --> 02:56:03.129 process requires a specific Legislative report report, 02:56:03.140 --> 02:56:07.060 from the LAOB Federal Legislature due in June 02:56:07.069 --> 02:56:12.030 of 2023, just around the corner. Uh, actually the CPUC 02:56:12.040 --> 02:56:16.120 business and community outreach team will present on 02:56:16.129 --> 02:56:20.930 a new community based organization grant program. Which 02:56:20.930 --> 02:56:26.339 is made possible by Assembly Bill 179. It was proposed 02:56:26.350 --> 02:56:31.390 by (inaudible) uh, just in the earlier session 02:56:31.399 --> 02:56:34.560 And through this Bill, the Commission is approved the 02:56:34.560 --> 02:56:39.580 award up to $30 million for capacity brands to CDOS. 02:56:39.620 --> 02:56:43.780 Conduct outreach, and obtain technical assistance for 02:56:43.780 --> 02:56:47.410 ongoing equity initiatives, and clean energy access 02:56:47.410 --> 02:56:51.169 opportunity, lives and underrepresented communities. 02:56:51.180 --> 02:56:55.040 Everyone is invited to attend. The meeting details will 02:56:55.040 --> 02:56:58.890 be on our website and at the LLB web page, 02:56:58.899 --> 02:57:02.240 on our Commission website. And the other quarterly meeting, 02:57:02.249 --> 02:57:07.589 is our Universal Lifeline Telephone Service Administrative 02:57:07.589 --> 02:57:12.890 Committee or ULTSAC. That will be on December 13th. Uh, the 02:57:13.540 --> 02:57:16.810 functions as an advisory board providing advice and 02:57:16.810 --> 02:57:19.620 recommendations to the Commission from the Development 02:57:19.629 --> 02:57:23.729 Implementation Administration of California's Lifeline 02:57:23.740 --> 02:57:27.370 Telephone Service program for income qualified households. 02:57:27.919 --> 02:57:31.510 And that meeting on December 13th will be from 12:30 02:57:31.519 --> 02:57:35.220 to 3:30 pm. There will also be able to be accessed 02:57:35.229 --> 02:57:40.189 by the public on one. That will be a virtual meeting. 02:57:40.200 --> 02:57:45.269 Uh, please (inaudible) details. Uh thank 02:57:45.269 --> 02:57:48.760 you and back to you President Reynolds. Thank you, Commissioner 02:57:48.760 --> 02:57:51.180 Shiroma. 02:57:51.180 --> 02:57:57.180 Um, any other reports from Commissioners? 02:57:57.180 --> 02:58:03.319 Okay. Oh, was that a hand, Commissioner Reynolds. It was a hand to submit that I have no reports this week. Thank you. 02:58:03.319 --> 02:58:08.439 Okay, great. Um and I think saw Commissioner Rechtschaffen nodding 02:58:08.439 --> 02:58:12.069 no and I don't have a report either. Um, so with that 02:58:12.069 --> 02:58:15.819 that concludes our Commissioner reports. And that is 02:58:15.830 --> 02:58:20.269 the last item on our agenda. So with that the public 02:58:20.269 --> 02:58:23.209 meeting of the California Public Utilities Commission 02:58:23.220 --> 02:58:28.019 is now adjourned. Thank you very much. 02:58:28.019 --> 02:58:29.589 And this concludes today's conference.