WEBVTT 00:00:10.349 --> 00:00:13.289 Good morning. This meeting of the Public utility commission 00:00:13.289 --> 00:00:15.210 of texas will come to order to consider matters have 00:00:15.210 --> 00:00:17.309 been duly posted with the Secretary of State of texas 00:00:17.309 --> 00:00:20.859 for august 4th 2022. For the record, my name is Peter 00:00:20.859 --> 00:00:23.269 Lake with me today are Will Mcadams, Lori Cobos 00:00:23.269 --> 00:00:27.750 and Jimmy Glotfelty. Before we begin, I want to take a moment 00:00:27.750 --> 00:00:31.199 to congratulate Commissioner Cobos uh for receiving 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.710 special recognition last month at the NARUC conference 00:00:34.710 --> 00:00:39.890 by Hispanics in Energy. Uh As noted by that organization 00:00:39.890 --> 00:00:44.119 Lori is one of the only four state uh public utility 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:49.409 commissioners that are Latina. And as a great measurement and 00:00:49.409 --> 00:00:53.119 and demonstration of how Texas has proven itself 00:00:53.130 --> 00:00:55.920 as among the most diverse and talented states in the 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.469 country. And we should all take pride in the recognition 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.950 that Lori received because of contributions of dedicated 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:06.530 public servants like Commissioner Cobos. Congratulations 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:16.810 Thank you. Mr Chairman, I really appreciate you taking 00:01:16.810 --> 00:01:20.420 the time to recognize this honor. Um and the commission 00:01:20.420 --> 00:01:23.170 taking time and everybody here today, I'm humbled and 00:01:23.170 --> 00:01:25.840 honored to have received this national recognition 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:27.920 on behalf of the Public utility commission of Texas 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:31.069 and our great state of Texas. Congratulations again 00:01:32.329 --> 00:01:36.280 (item:0:Consent Agenda) Today, we will not be taking up items 13 and 29 which 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.700 brings us to our consent agenda. Mr. Could you please 00:01:39.709 --> 00:01:42.879 lay that out for us? Good morning. Commissioners by 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.420 individual ballot following items were placed on your 00:01:45.430 --> 00:01:56.640 consent agenda 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 25, 26 00:01:56.819 --> 00:02:00.359 and 30. Is there a motion to approve the items just described 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:00.739 by Mr. 00:02:02.579 --> 00:02:06.500 All in favor say aye, not opposed the motion passes 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.860 (item:1:Public Comment)This brings us to the first official item under a formal 00:02:10.860 --> 00:02:14.889 agenda. Public comment as always. Oral comments related 00:02:14.889 --> 00:02:18.750 to a specific agenda item will be heard when that item 00:02:18.750 --> 00:02:23.800 is taken up. This segment is for general comments only 00:02:24.460 --> 00:02:27.289 when we do get to oral comments on specific items, 00:02:27.289 --> 00:02:29.159 stakeholders should not approach the table unless oral 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.500 argument has been granted or they have been invited 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:34.379 by commissioner. As always, speakers will be limited 00:02:34.379 --> 00:02:37.810 to three minutes each. Mr Do we have anybody signed 00:02:37.810 --> 00:02:39.280 up from the public to speak? 00:02:41.729 --> 00:02:45.430 Thank you sir. Public comment is now closed.(item:2:52227) Item number 00:02:45.430 --> 00:02:45.939 two, 00:02:48.030 --> 00:02:51.509 Item two is docket 52227 application of 00:02:51.509 --> 00:02:54.930 City of Bertram to amend its CCN in Burnet County. A 00:02:54.930 --> 00:02:57.430 proposed order was filed on april 25th and I have a 00:02:57.430 --> 00:03:00.189 memo with proposed changes to the order. Thank you 00:03:00.189 --> 00:03:03.150 sir. Fairly straightforward. Thoughts, comments or a motion? 00:03:06.069 --> 00:03:08.000 I would make a motion to approve the proposed order 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.439 granting the city of Bertram's application to convert 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.009 the facility plus 200 ft portion of the CCN and the 00:03:14.009 --> 00:03:17.400 parcels of land it currently serves or has facilities 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:20.389 into a bounded geographic area. Such that the entirety 00:03:20.389 --> 00:03:23.800 of the CCN is in a single bounded geographic area encompassing 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.639 the utilities entire service area. Got that Yes ma'am 00:03:29.780 --> 00:03:32.860 And as amended by the was amended by commission counsel 00:03:33.379 --> 00:03:36.020 memo. And I would second that Mr Chairman. Got a motion and 00:03:36.020 --> 00:03:39.919 a second all in favor say aye, aye. None opposed motion 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.659 passes next item please, sir. (item:3:52288) Item three is docket 00:03:43.659 --> 00:03:48.770 at 52288 petition of Crown Ranch Development to amend 00:03:48.770 --> 00:03:52.590 MSEC Enterprises' CCN in Montgomery County by expedited 00:03:52.590 --> 00:03:56.090 release before use a revised proposed order filed on 00:03:56.090 --> 00:03:58.099 april 29th. That would deny the petition 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:05.539 Thoughts, comments? It's yeah, excuse me. My thoughts on this 00:04:05.539 --> 00:04:09.919 Mr Chairman members is look, I'm leaning toward uh 00:04:09.930 --> 00:04:14.139 moving to deny uh the motion to withdraw the petition 00:04:14.139 --> 00:04:17.089 on the basis that there is not enough information in 00:04:17.089 --> 00:04:21.040 its request to withdraw to justify good cause exception 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.540 as required by our rules in this case, the agency has 00:04:24.550 --> 00:04:27.569 expended significant resources to process the petition 00:04:27.579 --> 00:04:31.250 uh reviewing filings and analyzing whether Crown Ranch's 00:04:31.250 --> 00:04:35.069 tracks qualify for streamlined expedited release um 00:04:35.069 --> 00:04:38.170 and as such, allowing Crown Ranch to withdraw without 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:40.149 demonstrating good cause would allow the petitioner 00:04:40.149 --> 00:04:43.120 to potentially avoid an adverse decision by this commission 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.980 um an outcome that could become a harmful precedent 00:04:46.990 --> 00:04:51.800 as we move forward. Um So with that, I mean, I would 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.680 move to approve the proposed order and deny the petition 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.889 It all makes sense to me, especially your comments 00:04:57.889 --> 00:05:01.600 about establishing an undesirable precedent. Thoughts 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:02.560 comments for a second. 00:05:05.970 --> 00:05:09.230 I will accept a second if anyone second, we've got 00:05:09.230 --> 00:05:13.149 a motion in a second. All in favor say aye, aye, not 00:05:13.149 --> 00:05:16.160 opposed motion passes next item please Sir. 00:05:21.170 --> 00:05:27.730 Believe (item:5:52442) the next item is five docket 52442 00:05:27.740 --> 00:05:33.180 petition of meritage homes to amend North Collins Special 00:05:33.180 --> 00:05:36.939 utility district CCN. Uh in collin county, a proposed 00:05:36.939 --> 00:05:39.149 order was filed on july 6th 00:05:41.189 --> 00:05:43.040 Thoughts comments on this one. 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:46.269 Others 00:05:48.060 --> 00:05:51.620 with a little more complications. Sure. Um Well let 00:05:51.620 --> 00:05:55.279 me add some color. In central frisco, uh in this past 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.759 june a petition for streamlined expedited release was 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.290 remanded to address the presence of two inactive water 00:06:00.290 --> 00:06:04.620 meters on the tract of land. Um The utility provided 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:06.920 a map showing the location of the two inactive water 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.939 meters on the tract of land and stated that they were 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:13.100 capable of being activated. Uh As such, I do not believe 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:15.160 the petition meets the requirements for streamlined 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:20.170 expedited release. Um However, rather than deny the 00:06:20.170 --> 00:06:23.470 petition uh to conserve commission resources, I believe 00:06:23.470 --> 00:06:26.040 that we should remand the docket with direction to 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:28.769 the A. L. J. To set a deadline for the petitioner to 00:06:28.769 --> 00:06:33.110 amend its petition to exclude the facilities uh specifically 00:06:33.110 --> 00:06:36.220 the two inch water line and the inactive meter in question 00:06:36.230 --> 00:06:39.449 Uh If the petitioner does not amend its application 00:06:39.449 --> 00:06:41.850 to exclude the facilities, the A. L. J. Should prepare 00:06:41.850 --> 00:06:45.560 a revised proposed order to deny the petition. I believe 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.949 that's the cleanest way to process this. It makes sense 00:06:48.949 --> 00:06:51.699 I like the timeline and we'll defer to PDM to set 00:06:51.699 --> 00:06:58.009 that um makes sense to me, other thoughts comments? Yeah 00:06:58.019 --> 00:07:01.350 I agree on the remand. Um I think it's important to 00:07:01.350 --> 00:07:04.600 stay consistent with our recent commission precedent 00:07:04.610 --> 00:07:08.199 and ensure that we continue to evaluate receiving service 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.449 under the context of our, of our recent decision. I'm 00:07:11.449 --> 00:07:15.079 in agreement. I'd stand on my motions have a second 00:07:15.569 --> 00:07:20.199 motion in a second. All in favor say aye, I don't oppose 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:22.199 motion passes. 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.980 (item:6:52662) Next item, item six is docket 52662 is 00:07:29.980 --> 00:07:32.970 the application of James Kimble and Avalon Point 00:07:32.970 --> 00:07:37.860 water system for transfer sale and transfer facilities 00:07:37.860 --> 00:07:41.639 and certificate rights in Bandera county. I have a 00:07:41.649 --> 00:07:44.470 proposed order was filed on april 20th and I have a 00:07:44.470 --> 00:07:48.269 memo with proposed changes to the order. Thank you 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:54.959 sir. STM with some delicate timing on financing those 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:55.410 comments. 00:07:58.180 --> 00:08:01.230 I think it's important to um go ahead and act in an 00:08:01.230 --> 00:08:05.310 efficient manner to ensure that um that Avalon point 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.620 has the ability to seek to obtain this loan from the 00:08:09.620 --> 00:08:11.759 texas water Development board in order to ensure that 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.139 that stays on track. I would be in favor of approving 00:08:15.139 --> 00:08:18.370 an interim proposed order to allow the STM to proceed 00:08:18.370 --> 00:08:21.800 forward and um, Avalon Point can then file the closing 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:24.860 documents once the transaction is closed and then uh 00:08:24.870 --> 00:08:30.019 the ALJ can review the matter under final for final 00:08:30.019 --> 00:08:33.419 approval under administrative approval process in order 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:36.690 to ensure that it stays in an efficient um flow forward 00:08:36.700 --> 00:08:40.070 so that Avalon Point can avail itself to the, to the 00:08:40.070 --> 00:08:42.350 loan from, from the water development board that it 00:08:42.350 --> 00:08:45.759 needs to be able to bring its facilities up to par 00:08:46.490 --> 00:08:48.139 So you like a proposed order. 00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:53.309 I am good with the interim proposed order but I am 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.330 open to hear if anybody has any concerns or questions 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:57.240 I think 00:08:59.230 --> 00:09:01.440 yeah, I think, I think it makes sense. You know, when 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.110 you have troubled water systems like this that have 00:09:03.110 --> 00:09:06.539 been troubled for so long uh certainty is important 00:09:06.549 --> 00:09:10.210 and uh you know, if we can create some certainty here 00:09:10.210 --> 00:09:14.139 for uh for the new, for the new owner, I think that 00:09:14.139 --> 00:09:16.299 makes perfect sense for the citizens that it's serving 00:09:16.330 --> 00:09:19.620 well and and I concur with my colleagues, I like the 00:09:19.620 --> 00:09:23.159 proposed order because it, it seemed like it was necessary 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.220 maintain momentum on along the track with the Water 00:09:26.220 --> 00:09:28.379 Development Board and the other actions that need to 00:09:28.379 --> 00:09:31.659 occur to provide the capital necessary to make these 00:09:31.659 --> 00:09:34.870 upgrades to provide better service. So I would support 00:09:34.870 --> 00:09:37.950 that motion. Yeah, exactly. That this needs to be in 00:09:37.950 --> 00:09:40.710 place before the financing can close and we don't want 00:09:40.710 --> 00:09:45.009 to get caught in a circular loop circular reference 00:09:45.009 --> 00:09:47.330 where nothing nothing ever gets done. So appreciate 00:09:47.330 --> 00:09:50.590 your willingness to move forward on this. We've got 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.840 a motion from Commissioner Cobos to approve the proposed 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.809 order as amended by commission memo. Uh the second 00:09:57.820 --> 00:10:03.669 from Mr Mcadams on uh in favor say aye, aye, none opposed 00:10:03.669 --> 00:10:07.440 motion passes. Next item please sir, 00:10:11.450 --> 00:10:17.820 I believe (item:11:53254) the next item is item 11 docket 53254 petition 00:10:17.830 --> 00:10:24.450 of S. T. C. Group miller LLC to amend bolivar Water 00:10:24.450 --> 00:10:27.480 supply corporation CCN in Denton county. By streamlined 00:10:27.490 --> 00:10:32.720 expedited release. Proposed order was filed on may 24th 00:10:33.629 --> 00:10:36.690 Thank you sir. Thoughts, comments or a motion. 00:10:38.809 --> 00:10:41.649 Yeah. Go ahead. Commissioner. I was just gonna say 00:10:41.649 --> 00:10:45.279 I make a motion to approve the order. Yeah. I like 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.299 the proposed order and I voted to consent it. So but 00:10:48.299 --> 00:10:50.940 I enjoyed the opportunity to speak about these things 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:53.789 I think I failed on the consent item on this one. That 00:10:53.789 --> 00:10:54.000 was 00:10:55.580 --> 00:10:59.169 so that's why you write your consent. 00:11:03.820 --> 00:11:07.500 I'm in agreement. I voted to consent as well. I'm not 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:11.129 gonna deprive you. You want to share. You got some 00:11:11.129 --> 00:11:17.210 thoughts on this. No. Got a motion in a second to approve 00:11:17.210 --> 00:11:20.470 the proposed order. All in favor? Say aye, aye. Not 00:11:20.470 --> 00:11:25.700 opposed motion passes. Uh Next item please sir. The 00:11:25.710 --> 00:11:28.379 next item is the one that we need to take up after 00:11:28.379 --> 00:11:32.570 we recess and go hold hearing on the temporary manager 00:11:32.659 --> 00:11:37.210 Indeed this docket 53778. (item:12:Separate Hearing on Temporary Manager) This meeting of the puc 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:42.269 will recess to hold a separate hearing uh Here now 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:47.220 recessed. We'll ask staff just 00:11:48.730 --> 00:11:50.679 get set up for the merits hearing. 00:11:57.269 --> 00:11:59.460 Ty will be assisting you with this today sir. 00:12:03.889 --> 00:12:04.330 Okay 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.629 you ready? Everybody ready? Alright. (item:12:53778) This meeting of 00:12:10.629 --> 00:12:12.419 the public utility commissioner Texas. Come to order 00:12:12.419 --> 00:12:15.629 for the merits hearing in docket 53778 which is newly 00:12:15.629 --> 00:12:18.000 posted with the Secretary of State of Texas for August 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.289 4, 2022. We'll now turn it over to commissioner ALJ 00:12:21.289 --> 00:12:25.149 J. For the administration of the hearing. Good morning 00:12:25.149 --> 00:12:28.590 Commissioners. I called the order docket number 53778 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.480 Commission staff's request for an emergency order appointing 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.509 a temporary manager for L. N. T. Waterworks LLC without 00:12:34.509 --> 00:12:37.279 a hearing. This is Isaac to assisting the commissioners 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.269 and the purpose of this hearing is to determine whether 00:12:39.269 --> 00:12:42.789 to affirm modify or set aside the emergency order that 00:12:42.789 --> 00:12:45.370 was issued by the executive director in this docket 00:12:45.370 --> 00:12:50.289 on july 6th 2022 which appointed uh texas water utilities 00:12:50.299 --> 00:12:54.190 LP to temporarily manage and operate LMT waterworks 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.500 on july 28th 2020 to commission staff filed a request 00:12:57.500 --> 00:13:00.590 to modify the emergency order to accurately reflect 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.039 temporary manager's name as monarch utilities. One 00:13:03.049 --> 00:13:06.710 LP. We had a pre hearing conference yesterday and I 00:13:06.710 --> 00:13:10.240 admitted five exhibits. I also pre swore one witness 00:13:10.250 --> 00:13:13.429 brian bar with monarch and they're available to answer 00:13:13.429 --> 00:13:16.220 any questions you have at this time. Let's take the 00:13:16.220 --> 00:13:18.610 appearances of the party's starting with commission 00:13:18.610 --> 00:13:21.769 staff. Good morning on van on behalf of commission 00:13:21.769 --> 00:13:26.110 staff. And then morning. Good morning, your honor Cody 00:13:26.110 --> 00:13:30.799 Falk on behalf of Mark utilities. One LP now known 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.710 as texas water utilities. One texas, water utilities 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:38.370 LP. And have either of you heard from a representative 00:13:38.379 --> 00:13:42.720 for the utility. I have not no. Your honor. Alright 00:13:42.730 --> 00:13:44.259 Staff. Any opening statements, 00:13:46.169 --> 00:13:46.789 monarch 00:13:48.350 --> 00:13:54.120 Commissioners. Any questions? No no no no questions 00:13:54.750 --> 00:14:01.559 Any closing arguments. No. Okay. No. Alright unless 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.929 there's anything from anyone else. Then we are adjourned 00:14:04.929 --> 00:14:08.409 Thank you all this merit hearing docket 53778 is hereby 00:14:08.409 --> 00:14:13.389 adjourned at 9:48 AM. We will now reconvene the open 00:14:13.389 --> 00:14:17.419 meeting of public utility commission at 9 48 am. Resuming 00:14:17.419 --> 00:14:22.529 (item:12:53778) with item 12. Docket 53778. Pretty straightforward 00:14:22.529 --> 00:14:25.960 merit hearing thoughts, comments on this emergency 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:30.450 order. Chairman. Based on my review of the evidential 00:14:30.450 --> 00:14:34.980 record documents file, I would move to affirm the commission's 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:37.730 Executive Directors Emergency order to appoint monarch 00:14:37.740 --> 00:14:42.000 as the temporary manager for Curtis D Logan provide 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.429 monarch compensation for serving this temporary manager 00:14:44.429 --> 00:14:47.980 at a rate of $15 per water connection per month. Um 00:14:47.980 --> 00:14:51.190 and would also ask that the while we are affirming 00:14:51.190 --> 00:14:54.200 the executive director's emergency order that we affirm 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.649 it with modifications to add additional findings of 00:14:56.649 --> 00:15:00.620 fact from the evidentiary record to support a determination 00:15:00.629 --> 00:15:06.879 of abandonment of operations under 16 TAC 24.355. Subsection 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:11.779 C. six and 7. And to reflect the correct name and to 00:15:11.779 --> 00:15:13.940 reflect the current name of Mark. 00:15:15.500 --> 00:15:16.860 We've got a motion. Is there a second 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.860 motion second all in favor say aye. Alright don't oppose 00:15:22.870 --> 00:15:28.169 Motion passes. We're not taking 15. I don't have anything 00:15:28.169 --> 00:15:32.590 on or sorry 13 I don't have anything on 14 which brings 00:15:32.590 --> 00:15:36.320 us to 16 don't have anything there. 00:15:39.899 --> 00:15:45.309 (item:19:52353) I believe the next item is 19, item 19 is docket 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:49.179 52353 is the application of Rayburn Country Electric 00:15:49.179 --> 00:15:52.409 Cooperative to change wholesale transmission service 00:15:52.409 --> 00:15:55.590 rates. A proposed order was filed on april 19th and 00:15:55.590 --> 00:15:59.580 I have a memo with proposed changes to the order. Thank 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:04.220 you, sir. This is a lot to chew on in this docket 00:16:04.230 --> 00:16:08.179 Uh, got some thoughts but I'll open up for comments 00:16:08.889 --> 00:16:12.220 So just my opening thoughts Mr chairman to set the 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:17.110 table. Um, I believe since we have uh we've all been 00:16:17.110 --> 00:16:21.950 here for a year now, we've been attempting to put our 00:16:21.950 --> 00:16:25.620 mark and the way we will process um, rate cases as 00:16:25.620 --> 00:16:28.570 they move through this newly constituted commission 00:16:28.580 --> 00:16:32.309 Um Again, we're establishing precedents that will help 00:16:32.309 --> 00:16:35.179 provide a template for everyone to follow as they move 00:16:35.190 --> 00:16:42.389 back through, um consistent with the way we've uh interacted 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.669 on these cases. I believe that we need more information 00:16:45.669 --> 00:16:49.409 and evidence on the appropriate debt service ratio 00:16:49.419 --> 00:16:52.889 debt, debt coverage ratio. Just pointing to the filing 00:16:52.889 --> 00:16:56.679 package and saying that the ratio is presumed uh reasonable 00:16:56.690 --> 00:17:00.480 Um in my view, it's it's not enough for me to demonstrate 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.250 that the coverage is actually reasonable under 16 TAC 00:17:03.259 --> 00:17:09.329 25.192. Subsection C and and three. Uh and as such 00:17:09.339 --> 00:17:12.029 I would recommend that we consider remanding this docket 00:17:12.029 --> 00:17:14.509 and request that Rayburn provide justification and 00:17:14.509 --> 00:17:17.930 more substantial, um, evidence in support of what would 00:17:17.930 --> 00:17:21.490 be an appropriate debt coverage ratio. After that is 00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:24.019 filed and if settlement is still a path that the parties 00:17:24.019 --> 00:17:27.369 wish to take, I would then ask staff to weigh in with 00:17:27.369 --> 00:17:31.019 the subject matter experts, memo or testimony on the 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:33.339 settlement which would be consistent with the way we 00:17:33.349 --> 00:17:37.950 behaved and and reviewed, uh, Green Bull electric utility 00:17:37.950 --> 00:17:43.289 juice. Um, they're filing. Um, I think there was there's 00:17:43.299 --> 00:17:46.640 a disparity between the average of rate of return, 00:17:46.650 --> 00:17:51.730 uh, that that we have imposed on utilities and the 00:17:51.730 --> 00:17:55.319 filing of Rayburn. And because of that, I think we 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:59.859 need we need to set that precedent that when you file 00:17:59.869 --> 00:18:02.509 you need to provide us the methodology that you're 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:05.640 you know, saying is you're you're attempting to assert 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.890 as reasonable, show us your work. And when you I generally 00:18:09.890 --> 00:18:11.450 agree, I think with the direction you're going. But 00:18:11.450 --> 00:18:16.299 a clarifying question, when you asked for more information 00:18:16.299 --> 00:18:18.089 evidence to support the debt service coverage ratio 00:18:18.089 --> 00:18:21.769 are you talking about above and beyond that required 00:18:21.769 --> 00:18:25.569 by the lenders or the entire thing? I think that's 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.619 and I, and I don't want to assert that there was just 00:18:30.619 --> 00:18:34.920 nothing provided to justify this. They did have um 00:18:34.930 --> 00:18:37.990 their their own assertion. The lawyers asserted this 00:18:37.990 --> 00:18:41.650 was reasonable. They didn't explain why it was reasonable 00:18:41.660 --> 00:18:45.809 Um in the other cases we had testimony to support that 00:18:45.809 --> 00:18:52.230 So a cross examination of, Okay, why? Um, and that 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.839 helps provide me comfort in approving an outlier number 00:18:56.849 --> 00:19:03.579 against the average. Yeah, fair. I'm very much interested 00:19:03.579 --> 00:19:07.539 in seeing them show their show their work and and give 00:19:07.539 --> 00:19:11.640 us reason on the on everything above the 1.2 which 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:13.609 is required by the lenders. I don't want to make the 00:19:13.619 --> 00:19:16.160 point. We don't dispute the debt service coverage. 00:19:16.170 --> 00:19:19.799 And I don't either. I'm not against it and I am not 00:19:19.809 --> 00:19:22.769 trying to weight against what they have provided. I'm 00:19:22.769 --> 00:19:26.210 just saying so that we can uh we can have comfort and 00:19:26.210 --> 00:19:28.609 moving forward. Just provide a little more detail on 00:19:28.609 --> 00:19:30.559 what we're talking about. I agree with you. 100%. Just 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.920 want to clarify that I'm not, I don't want to dispute 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:35.470 the lending requirements. That 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:43.400 I'm generally in agreement as well. Based on Uh my 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.890 review of the Greenville case and comparison to the 00:19:47.890 --> 00:19:51.359 Rayburn case. You know that Rayburn provided testimony 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.210 and work papers to support their calculation methodology 00:19:54.220 --> 00:19:58.980 um of 1.2 and based on the requirements of the rate 00:19:58.980 --> 00:20:03.759 filing package. But they did not provide any evidence 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.150 to support the reasonableness of ultimately the the 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.490 debt service ratio that resulted in about 11% rate 00:20:10.490 --> 00:20:13.660 of return. And so I believe based on my review of the 00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:16.730 Greenville case that Greenville did in fact provide 00:20:16.740 --> 00:20:19.849 information evidence to support not only the calculation 00:20:19.849 --> 00:20:23.210 methodology but the resulting effect on the debt service 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:25.390 the combination with the debt service ratio in the 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:27.769 rate of return. And so I think if we want to stay 00:20:27.769 --> 00:20:32.740 consistent going forward um we want to have these these 00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:38.680 um companies submit the requisite evidentiary um documentation 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:40.970 and I think in this case it would be some kind of 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:44.500 support in addition to the bond covenants, um you know 00:20:44.509 --> 00:20:47.539 financial documentation. I believe the words they used 00:20:47.549 --> 00:20:50.599 It is reasonable and I appreciate that fact. I appreciate 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:56.200 that assertion. But the correct that would be helpful 00:20:56.869 --> 00:20:59.349 I have nothing to add to the to the conversation. But 00:20:59.349 --> 00:21:00.529 I'm an in agreement 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:04.420 with you Mr Chairman. 00:21:07.130 --> 00:21:11.900 All right. Uh Do we have a motion? I'm, what I'm hearing 00:21:11.900 --> 00:21:14.359 is we want to remand to get some supporting evidence 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.910 Everything that justifies just and reasonable above 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:23.029 the lender required 1.2 debt service coverage 00:21:23.029 --> 00:21:27.230 ratio. We have a motion consistent with our discussion 00:21:27.670 --> 00:21:31.950 Got a motion in a second. All in favor say aye, go 00:21:31.950 --> 00:21:33.559 unopposed motion passes 00:21:36.529 --> 00:21:37.940 next item please. 00:21:42.539 --> 00:21:48.440 (item:23:53285) The next item is item 23 docket 53285. It's an agreement 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.809 report to the commission related commission staff's 00:21:50.809 --> 00:21:54.049 investigation of Just Energy concerned violations of 00:21:54.059 --> 00:21:56.910 PURA and commission rules related to customer information 00:21:56.910 --> 00:22:00.289 disclosure requirements. A proposed order was filed 00:22:00.289 --> 00:22:01.700 on april 12th. 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.819 Thank you sir. Thoughts, comments or a motion on this 00:22:07.819 --> 00:22:10.630 one. I was good with the proposed order. 00:22:13.410 --> 00:22:16.660 All right. We're gonna work on our consent list. Is 00:22:16.660 --> 00:22:19.829 there a motion to approve the proposed order? Second 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:24.710 Second. All in favor say aye, aye none opposed motion 00:22:24.710 --> 00:22:27.170 passes. I'll follow my sword on that one as well. 00:22:29.750 --> 00:22:35.089 Next item please, sir. (item:24:53361) Next item, item 24 docket 53361 00:22:35.089 --> 00:22:38.539 complained of Darrell Harper against reliant energy 00:22:38.549 --> 00:22:42.519 retail services. A proposal for decision was filed 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:45.700 on june 28th and the ALJ declined to make any changes 00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:48.660 to the PFD in response to subject file 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:52.250 Thoughts, comments on this one? 00:22:55.349 --> 00:22:58.339 I think there's there's two pieces to looking at this 00:22:58.349 --> 00:23:02.009 case. Um I will start with saying that I'm in favor 00:23:02.009 --> 00:23:05.430 of adopting the PFD with some changes modifications 00:23:05.430 --> 00:23:08.319 I think the dismissal Mr harper's complaint against 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.339 Reliant um should be without prejudice um as opposed 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:16.779 to with um and I think instead of for lack of jurisdiction 00:23:16.950 --> 00:23:19.289 on the basis of lack of jurisdiction should be for 00:23:19.289 --> 00:23:21.599 failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted 00:23:21.609 --> 00:23:25.759 Uh We do have jurisdiction over billing issues. And 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.700 and so he did state um some he did bring forth a 00:23:28.700 --> 00:23:31.250 complaint for which the commission does have jurisdiction 00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:35.579 However, um he raised numerous constitutional constitutional 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:37.819 assertions that the commission doesn't have authority 00:23:37.819 --> 00:23:39.910 to resolve. So it's a failure to state a claim for 00:23:39.910 --> 00:23:45.609 which we can um act on and um again with without prejudice 00:23:45.609 --> 00:23:49.029 because um you know, mister mister harper one is is 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:53.039 represented pro se. He's representing representing 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:56.140 himself in this case pro se. And we are not just missing 00:23:56.140 --> 00:23:59.750 based on the merits of this case and I think the important 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:02.779 nuance to that statement. Commissioner is to clarify 00:24:02.779 --> 00:24:06.150 that this is not closing the door on your ability to 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:10.430 prosecute a claim that we can actually rule on. Um 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.269 uh and that's that's the meaning of dismissing without 00:24:13.269 --> 00:24:17.069 prejudice. So you still have recourse you just need 00:24:17.069 --> 00:24:20.359 to try again if you believe you have a valid claim 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.200 that we we can adjudicate here. Absolutely. 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:29.039 And you got to give it file complaint within the lanes 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.839 that we can pursue. Yes, sir. And I and to back you 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:35.390 up Commissioner, I would also point out neither staff 00:24:35.390 --> 00:24:39.369 nor reliant question the jurisdiction. Um So again 00:24:39.369 --> 00:24:42.420 to support your your motion, I believe that's absolutely 00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:45.440 valid. Okay, so then 00:24:47.190 --> 00:24:50.630 modifying modifying without prejudice, prejudice is 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.619 the right way to go on this. So then I would make 00:24:53.619 --> 00:24:54.099 a motion. 00:24:56.210 --> 00:24:58.940 Okay, so I would make a motion to adopt the PFD with 00:24:58.940 --> 00:25:04.859 modifications um to the PFD to change the dismissal 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.670 from based on lack of jurisdiction to failure to state 00:25:07.670 --> 00:25:12.940 a claim and to dismiss um the case the complaint without 00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:15.650 prejudice rather than with prejudice. And I would second 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:19.099 that motion in a second. All in favor say aye, aye 00:25:19.109 --> 00:25:21.259 not oppose motion passes. 00:25:23.299 --> 00:25:27.519 The next item please, sir. (item:27:53719) Next item is item 27 docket 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:31.299 at 53719 application of Entergy Texas for authorities 00:25:31.309 --> 00:25:35.579 Changes rates. Uh draft, preliminary order was filed 00:25:35.579 --> 00:25:39.660 on July the 27th. Thank you sir, thoughts, comments 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:45.289 or a motion. I do have just one comment on this. Um 00:25:45.299 --> 00:25:48.759 I believe this is the beginning of the process as it's 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:54.140 just a preliminary order. Um I do um I have not followed 00:25:54.140 --> 00:26:00.049 every um uh session of the legislature nor have I followed 00:26:00.049 --> 00:26:02.819 every ruling of this commission over the last, you 00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:06.519 know, a handful of years, but as we have um electric 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.480 vehicles and they're charging infrastructure that continues 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.509 to proliferate in our communities. Um the question 00:26:12.509 --> 00:26:16.210 that I would like asked or is it appropriate for an 00:26:16.210 --> 00:26:19.289 electric utility and a vertically integrated area to 00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:22.519 own vehicle charging facilities or other transportation 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.779 electric electrification and charging infrastructure 00:26:25.789 --> 00:26:28.220 or should the ownership of such facilities be left 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:32.000 to competitive providers? In this docket there is some 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.819 reference to putting that in right base and we've also 00:26:34.819 --> 00:26:38.390 seen at the federal level and lots of entities out 00:26:38.390 --> 00:26:42.259 there, that this is not a regular, this is not a a 00:26:42.259 --> 00:26:45.630 monopoly type service. The electrons going through 00:26:45.630 --> 00:26:49.089 the facilities maybe the question is, are the facilities 00:26:49.099 --> 00:26:52.119 so and then, you know, final part of that is should 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.150 entergy be allowed to own transportation electrification 00:26:55.150 --> 00:26:58.130 and charging infrastructure, including vehicle charging 00:26:58.130 --> 00:27:01.420 facilities in the manner it has proposed in its application 00:27:01.430 --> 00:27:05.109 or should such ownership be wholly left to customers 00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:08.750 and third parties. Again, my point on this is um for 00:27:08.750 --> 00:27:12.279 it to be uh litigated, you know, in the process, have 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.130 the discussion. Um and um, I don't yet have an answer 00:27:16.130 --> 00:27:20.170 for that, but from my standpoint, but I think we are 00:27:20.170 --> 00:27:24.670 right for this discussion agreed. And I think it's 00:27:24.670 --> 00:27:27.589 also worth noting that there are exist, believe some 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.779 federal subsidies for charging stations with a dramatic 00:27:31.779 --> 00:27:34.809 increase in those subsidies for charging stations uh 00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:38.500 contemplated at the federal level, which speaks, which 00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:41.990 would be would would speak very much towards a competitive 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.970 construct rather than a monopoly construct. But I think 00:27:45.970 --> 00:27:49.509 you're appropriate to ask those questions and hear 00:27:49.509 --> 00:27:52.150 all sides of it as we get through this case. 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:58.950 Yeah, Mr Chairman, uh, I think there's no harm in asking 00:27:58.950 --> 00:28:02.200 the question as a part of this. Um, so adding it so 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.589 that the legal teams may dispute the issues, um, will 00:28:06.589 --> 00:28:10.279 absolutely help inform us on what they believe the 00:28:10.289 --> 00:28:13.869 legal lay of the land is, but also um, in preparation 00:28:13.869 --> 00:28:16.440 for the upcoming legislation legislative session, it 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.849 will help inform policy makers to give us direction 00:28:18.849 --> 00:28:21.430 if any is needed. That's correct. And I think the Chairman 00:28:21.430 --> 00:28:24.490 raises a good point, um, as we go forward with great 00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:26.950 cases and, you know, the deal we funding. That's, that's 00:28:26.950 --> 00:28:31.019 out there right now for a variety of areas in the electric 00:28:31.029 --> 00:28:34.660 utility industry. Um, I think we must in in these rate 00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:37.599 cases that, you know, this is investment, looking at 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.099 a historical test here, but as we move forward, um 00:28:41.099 --> 00:28:44.960 we we must take into consideration the impacts of deal 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.079 we funding that could be obtained by these electric 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.519 utilities and and how that should be. Um, maybe Trudeau 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.920 up in, in future rate cases, you're looking on that 00:28:54.930 --> 00:28:59.190 more broadly? Yes. At the federal brought entire federal 00:28:59.190 --> 00:29:02.670 level. Look, we'll continue to look for updates. Look 00:29:02.670 --> 00:29:04.930 forward to updates from you on that. Fantastic. Yes 00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:13.579 Uh, I would just, I'd move to uh, approved PFD as amended 00:29:13.589 --> 00:29:17.480 uh, pursuant to our conversation with the two questions 00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:20.079 questions questions, preliminary order corrections 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.109 Yes, 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.740 it's got motion approved the preliminary order as 00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:30.019 modified by the conversation of the dais specifically by 00:29:30.019 --> 00:29:33.829 adding the two questions outline. Got that motion on 00:29:33.829 --> 00:29:39.460 the table in a second, all in favor say, aye, not opposed 00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:40.329 the motion passes 00:29:42.789 --> 00:29:43.730 next item, please. 00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:52.559 Uh, (item:28:53169) next item 28 project 53169. Review transmission 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.769 rates for export from ERCOT Commission staff has filed 00:29:55.769 --> 00:29:58.369 a memo and a proposal for publication. 00:30:00.250 --> 00:30:05.150 Mr Chairman, I would just like to say, um, uh, this 00:30:05.150 --> 00:30:07.839 is an issue that I have championed over the last nine 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.289 months, um, to move it through fruition, we we uh, 00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:14.519 we owe it to market participants to get to the end 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.619 of the process so that they can go and uh, and see 00:30:17.619 --> 00:30:21.700 if financing facility these third party dc facilities 00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:24.029 uh, if they're able to do that in the in the commercial 00:30:24.029 --> 00:30:27.019 markets. This was one of the barriers there. Um, I 00:30:27.019 --> 00:30:30.880 think we've we've seen um from the comments file that 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:36.200 this isn't uh, it's not too controversial um or controversial 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:41.269 at all. Um and I would uh you know, uh move that 00:30:41.269 --> 00:30:46.019 we forward with the publication of the world. Sounds 00:30:46.019 --> 00:30:46.589 like a motion 00:30:48.450 --> 00:30:51.660 second the motion and second all in favor say, aye 00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:56.750 not opposed motion passes and thank you for taking 00:30:56.750 --> 00:30:59.660 the lead on this and sticking with it and moving it 00:31:00.390 --> 00:31:03.440 forward to add to that. Um I mean, I think the party's 00:31:03.450 --> 00:31:05.799 you know, who have been a part of this for the last 00:31:05.809 --> 00:31:09.450 seven or eight years um deserve to see some kind of 00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:12.849 an end to it and I appreciate ERCOT and and the stakeholders 00:31:12.849 --> 00:31:16.859 that have been involved in in their process to uh to 00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:20.559 see to an end, well done, look forward to getting it 00:31:20.569 --> 00:31:23.240 over the left last couple of yards. 00:31:24.829 --> 00:31:31.430 Uh Not taking up 29. 30 was consented. I don't have 00:31:31.430 --> 00:31:36.079 anything on 31 through 40 which brings us to 41. Mr 00:31:36.769 --> 00:31:41.950 (item:41:43518) Item 41 is project for 43518 delegation authority to 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.569 document management. I have a memo and a proposed order 00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:47.450 that would delegate authority to O. P. D. Determinate 00:31:47.450 --> 00:31:49.309 certain temporary manager appointments. 00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:55.630 We've we've got a proposed order, thoughts, comments 00:31:55.630 --> 00:31:59.410 or a motion to approve. I would move to approve the 00:31:59.410 --> 00:32:01.460 order. I would second that consent 00:32:03.339 --> 00:32:07.299 and I did. But while we're at it 00:32:09.269 --> 00:32:13.170 we got a motion in a second, all in favor say hi 00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:16.519 hi unopposed motion passes. Thank you. Mr 00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:22.680 (item:42:51603) That brings us to item 42 I believe Mission Commissioner 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.960 Mcadams has some comments. Yes sir. Just a general 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.750 update for the commission and the public um and this 00:32:29.750 --> 00:32:33.809 is on the topic of aggregated distributed energy resources 00:32:33.809 --> 00:32:37.829 and the task force. Um and I'd like to highlight that 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.460 after stakeholder suggestion. Thank you. Miss jones 00:32:41.470 --> 00:32:44.660 from Oncor will begin referring to this as the ADER 00:32:44.660 --> 00:32:49.390 project or aggregated DERs, firstly I can 00:32:49.390 --> 00:32:52.279 report that the initial workshops have been very productive 00:32:52.289 --> 00:32:54.740 and I appreciate the help of the market participants 00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:58.559 puc staff and ERCOT for helping us along 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.069 the way to define the problem and set us on a path 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.480 towards tangible solutions and especially Commissioner 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.369 Glotfelty for serving as my partner on this. Uh we've received 00:33:08.380 --> 00:33:12.059 good nominations for the leadership roles and plan 00:33:12.069 --> 00:33:14.529 on an active schedule over the coming weeks to be able 00:33:14.529 --> 00:33:17.920 to bring you uh and this commission uh the shape of 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.109 the pilot project by september by the september 29th 00:33:21.109 --> 00:33:23.849 Open meeting. At that point, at least we should have 00:33:23.849 --> 00:33:27.859 the bones in place to where um we have something that 00:33:27.869 --> 00:33:31.450 ERCOT staff can hopefully refine and ultimately present 00:33:31.460 --> 00:33:34.009 to the ERCOT board of directors sometime in the fall 00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:37.779 hopefully by the october meeting but um we're working 00:33:37.779 --> 00:33:40.589 aggressively and I see your head cocking back and I 00:33:40.589 --> 00:33:45.240 am keenly aware of timetables and um And staff constraints 00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:49.309 but we're gonna do our best um a new docket number 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.130 I would also highlight for the public has been opened 00:33:52.130 --> 00:33:56.019 as a repository for public comment on the pilot project 00:33:56.029 --> 00:34:01.200 going forward. And this is docket number 53911. And 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:04.089 within that docket the public and this commission will 00:34:04.089 --> 00:34:08.730 see all postings for meetings, the plan, the charter 00:34:08.739 --> 00:34:13.860 we will use that to um to allow for maximum transparency 00:34:13.869 --> 00:34:16.880 uh so that everybody knows what's going on at every 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:22.010 step of the project of the process. Second, we are 00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:24.940 in the process of taking nominations for the task force 00:34:24.949 --> 00:34:28.750 and have already emailed participants on our distribution 00:34:28.750 --> 00:34:32.730 list. However, uh if you the general public haven't 00:34:32.730 --> 00:34:35.090 had the chance to participate so far. And if you would 00:34:35.090 --> 00:34:38.400 like to nominate yourself or someone else, you may 00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:41.920 email my adviser Tiffany. Woo. And she will send you 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:45.780 the criteria. Now, I'd like to highlight uh nominations 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:48.969 are due by tomorrow. I know this is a quick turnaround 00:34:48.980 --> 00:34:52.510 It's not a extensive questionnaire to get your name 00:34:52.510 --> 00:34:56.409 in the hat uh to serve on the task force but nominations 00:34:56.409 --> 00:34:59.110 are due tomorrow so that Commissioner Glotfelty and 00:34:59.110 --> 00:35:02.889 I can then compile them review and then make the final 00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:07.380 determinations on the final list by next week and those 00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:10.519 selected will be contacted by our offices, we will 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.519 also have the completed draft uh completed charter 00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:18.929 by that time and we will distribute that as well as 00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:25.090 file it and 53911 with that Mr Chairman, I'll hand 00:35:25.090 --> 00:35:28.139 it back to you sir, can I interject here, just if you 00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:32.429 were gonna do this live uh Tiffany's email would be 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:37.340 Tiffany, tiffany.wu at 00:35:37.349 --> 00:35:41.610 puc dot texas dot gov. And she is now on the website 00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:44.510 So if you didn't hear Mr journey you may go to the 00:35:44.510 --> 00:35:48.730 puc website and under my commission office uh page 00:35:48.730 --> 00:35:50.989 she is listed in her email. All you have to do is 00:35:50.989 --> 00:35:53.219 click on it, it'll populate on your email and you push 00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:56.900 send so if that's not user friendly, I don't know what 00:35:56.909 --> 00:35:58.650 well this is the 21st century. 00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:02.269 Yes sir, 00:36:05.619 --> 00:36:12.630 congratulations, Stephanie and good luck with thank 00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:15.070 you for the update Commissioner Mcadams. Uh and when 00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:17.550 you just for clarification, when you say nominations 00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:22.710 you mean for the task force that will be making recommendations 00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:27.409 to the puc and ERCOT for uh launching of the pilot 00:36:27.409 --> 00:36:32.059 design implementation key questions, that's the nominations 00:36:32.059 --> 00:36:35.829 for leadership roles in that task force. That is correct 00:36:36.389 --> 00:36:41.159 Just to be clear on that. We we have a two state 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.889 process once designing the pilot and one is the task 00:36:43.889 --> 00:36:48.230 force, ultimately the pilot has to be um presented 00:36:48.230 --> 00:36:52.010 to the ERCOT bored by the ERCOT staff. Um so we are 00:36:52.010 --> 00:36:54.480 trying to merge these processes a little bit, have 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.969 the stakeholder process here, the task force is part 00:36:56.969 --> 00:37:01.780 of that and as part of that, both the test, both of 00:37:01.780 --> 00:37:04.380 those tracks presuming there are I know y'all are working 00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:08.019 on key questions to be answered and metrics and KPI 00:37:08.019 --> 00:37:13.719 S to define success or or metrics that need to be observed 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:19.280 as part of implementation and um post pilot project 00:37:19.289 --> 00:37:22.800 assessment. Yes. Key parameters are defined defined 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.860 in our substantive rules which govern the pilot process 00:37:25.869 --> 00:37:28.769 and so each of those will be addressed in the initial 00:37:28.769 --> 00:37:31.260 filing to be presented both to the commission and ultimately 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:34.610 the board. Excellent, thank you all for the update 00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:39.760 Alright. I don't have anything else on the remainder 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.449 of this agenda. So there being no further business 00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:46.210 before the commission. This meeting of the Public utility 00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:49.079 Commission of texas is hereby adjourned. 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.300 Okay. 00:37:56.190 --> 00:37:57.079 Yeah.