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Welcome to the California Public Utilities
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Commission Voting meeting on the state
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Thursday, March 17th, 2022.
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Today's call is being recorded.
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If you have any objections,
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you may disconnect at this time.
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President Reynolds, you may begin.
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Good morning.
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We need to start by establishing a quorum agenda clerk?
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Could you please call on the roll.
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Commissioner, John Reynolds?
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Present
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Commissioner Houck?
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Here.
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Commissioner Shiroma?
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
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Here.
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President Alice Reynolds?
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Here.
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A quorum has been established.
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Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission.
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I'm calling this meeting of March 17th, 2022
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public agenda number 3504 to order.
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Due to the coronavirus pandemics
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(indistinct) the authorization of section two
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of assembly bill 361, we are conducting
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today's business meeting
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online and by remote participation.
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The business meeting is live streamed on the CPUC website.
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Before we...
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We now turn to the public comment
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With that guidance in mind,
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I welcome today's speakers.
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I will now turn to the operator
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The public comment line is now open.
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Our first comment is from David Reinerson.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning.
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I'm David Reinerson from Huntington beach.
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The current NEM proposal uses flawed assumptions
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to calculate the value of rooftop top solar
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and consequently it dramatically undervalues it.
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Here are three points where I believe
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the calculus is wrong or flawed.
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One, it counts energy that is locally generated
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and consumed as if it were a cost to other consumers.
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This is the equivalent of saying
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that if I buy a more fuel efficient car,
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it increases your gas bill.
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Two, it only calculates 10 years
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of rooftop solar benefit per system
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when in reality systems are warranted
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for 15 to 20 years and often last much longer.
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Three, it ignores the cost of transmission lines
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that do not need to be built
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only counting deferred construction.
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This is especially egregious given that the proposed
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large scale solar plants (indistinct) utilities
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now proposed would require significant
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new transmission lines to support.
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In short, the cost shift premise
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upon which NEM three is based uses
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flawed misguided calculations,
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designed to bolster the utilities case
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at the expense of the citizens.
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I urge you to do what's right for the citizens,
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the environment, and the economy,
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and craft the solution that makes rooftop solar
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more affordable and speaky about
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(bell ringing)
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between the energy in our state.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Carol Cole Lewis.
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You may go ahead.
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[Carol Cole Lewis] Good morning.
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I'm commenting on the proposed NEM tariff provision.
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I'm a 67 year old female solar sales consultant
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in rural lake county.
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There's not a lot of options here
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for boomers who want or need to work.
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Plus solar is a great option for my older customers
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who are living on a fixed income
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and not eligible for care
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or other reduced rate plans.
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With solar, they can better afford and predict
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their electricity costs,
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and don't have to go through the monthly agony
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of choosing whether they pay for electricity or medicine.
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The NEM revision as it currently stands
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will profoundly impact me and the lake county economy.
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Please consider the plight of poor rural
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California communities and allow us all
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to do our part towards the helping California
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achieve her climate action goals.
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I urge you to keep residential solar affordable
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and reject the proposed NEM revision.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Mike Rosenfeld.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello.
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My name is Mike Rosenfeld
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from Redondo Beach, California.
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I'm calling you to oppose a solar tax of any kind.
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We need to ensure that solar is more affordable
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to working in middle class households.
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My personal story, my family was hit hard
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financially by the pandemic.
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I started working in the solar industry
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in the third quarter of 2020.
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This amazing industry has helped my family
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begin to climb out of our financial situation.
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Every day, I hear similar stories from my colleagues.
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We have been told by the same administration
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to follow science over the last two years.
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So, why in this circumstances science being opposed?
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It's because a corrupt monopoly is being threatened
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by an amazing industry that gives Californians more freedom,
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an industry that provides jobs and hope for a better planet.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Alan
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with the sunrise movement.
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You may go ahead.
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President and Commissioners,
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president Biden's commitment to ban Russia's oil
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makes investment in alternative energy
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even more critical for national safety.
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To meet California's goals for clean energy
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we will need both utilities, scale solar,
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as well as rooftop solar according
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to the U.S. Department of Energy 2021 report.
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Rather than taxing those who invested in rooftop solar,
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we should be incentivizing it so all Californians
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can access nearby power.
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I also wish to speak in support
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on solidarity with venturous citizens
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who shouldn't be endangered
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for the sake of outdated energy.
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Further, the CPUC should not cut off
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public comments without first making a commitment
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to protect rooftop solar from PG&E's fiery greed.
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Otherwise the Commission's time
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is better spent doing nothing
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rather than worsening global crises.
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I am a member of the Bay Area Sunrise Hub.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Kyle Severns.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning,
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president Reynolds and Commissioners.
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My name's Kyle Severns.
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I work for Solar Technologies in San Ramon
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I'm proud to have worked in the solar industry
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in California for the last 15 years
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and greatly hope to be able to do so for another 15,
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the CPUC proposed decision would not allow me to do so
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and would immediately help the sustainable growth
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of green energy in our state
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while killing thousands of solar jobs.
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Myself and so many other California workers
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have committed their lives
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to this great environmental cause.
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Please don't allow utility pressure
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and misinformation to undo that work.
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California must continue to lead
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when it comes to solar energy.
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The current proposed decision
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would instantly make California
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the least solar friendly state in the country.
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Please say no to the solar tax
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and reject this proposed disaster.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Tyler Crossno.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning Commissioners.
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My name is Tyler Crossno and I've worked
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for Rebel Energy in Irvine for the last two years.
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First, I wanna thank the Commission for listening
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to all the comments and perspectives
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you've heard throughout this decision process.
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Growing up in California,
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I wanted to commit my career to our environment.
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As our state is taking the steps
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to become a model for that sustainability,
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utilities are proposing to change net energy metering
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to a point that would be disastrous for the solar industry
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and is absolutely unreasonable.
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I implore you to reject the current proposed decision.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our caller is Marcy Snyder.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning.
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Yeah, my name is Marcy Snyder.
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I'm from Fort Bragg and I totally oppose
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this NEM three proposal.
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My first point is we should have no solar tax of any kind.
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Number two, ensure that solar becomes more affordable
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for working in middle class households, not less.
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Number three, honor the existing 20 year contract
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that is with protecting, that is in current place
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for solar users, rooftop solar customers.
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We're the ones who pay for these solar systems
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through little power plants.
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We should not be harmed by endless rate hikes.
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We should not be penalized for paying
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or are already paid for solar systems.
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I ask you to reject this NEM proposal
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and go back to and reconfigure things
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to a way that it is now.
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So solar customers--
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(bell ringing)
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(indistinct)
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Thank you very much.
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Operate our next caller please.
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Great.
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Good deal.
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Our next caller is Marshall Wiseman.
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You may go ahead.
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[Marshall Wiseman] First, let me thank
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the State of California and the federal government
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for providing solar energy rebates.
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I also wanna thank SDG&E and its efforts
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to providing transmission lines
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and the necessary services
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that give me dependable electricity
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and for its net energy metering program.
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And I would like to thank you the CPUC
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for protecting my rights as a citizen of California
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in governing these utilities.
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Rooftop solar was the most important decision
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that I have ever made.
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I am proud that I have produced
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141 million Watt-hours of green energy
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and dramatically reduced my carbon footprint.
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At the same time, I am protecting sensitive,
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biological areas like De Anza Bargo
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and personally funding rooftop solar,
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and offering my roof for the energy generation.
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Please support affordable rooftop solar.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is John Christensen.
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You may go ahead.
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I apologize.
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Our next caller is Anna Sunrun.
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You may go ahead.
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I've helped many low-income families
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in California and it's untrue and it's a false narrative
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that solar disproportionately affects low income people,
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which is the main argument of the utility.
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It is not rooftop solar's fault for all
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the harm and damage that the utility companies
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have done to the state of California
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and it's time for them to take
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responsibility for their actions
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and not turn to rooftop solar and crush it,
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and crush my job, and the rest of the solar industry.
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There should be no solar tax of any kind.
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Solar should become more affordable.
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We all know what the utility company,
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we all know what the bills look like in California
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with the fees and surcharges,
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and it's time that customers pay for their negligence.
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Wouldn't we want to all be partners
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and pull alongside each other to help the grid
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become more reliable and decentralized
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and pay a little more for that.
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Instead of paying the dirty supplier
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for the power that we're currently using,
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the utility company is in hard times
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saddled with lawsuits and solar is something
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that is something that's uninstall for homes.
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(bell ringing)
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Given the current rate--
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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I am loud.
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Our next caller is John Christensen.
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You may go ahead.
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[John Christensen] Hi, I'm John Christensen.
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I'm from Lancaster, California.
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I'd like to comment on a couple things
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that have been said about solar
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being out of reach for everyone.
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Anyone can get solar.
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It just matters the way you get it.
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I don't own my panels.
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I've signed up for a long term contract
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and basically what it does is reduces
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my tier costs because those panels
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do not support my entire electrical load.
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And that brings up the second point I've heard
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that because we have solar and those who don't,
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the power company is suffering
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because we're not paying our fair share.
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Most of my share, most of my electricity bill
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does go to of Southern California Edison.
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So, people can get solar if they just choose
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the right package and we do pay our bills
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to Southern California Edison.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Courtney Corda.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, good morning. I'm Courtney Corda.
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I own a family owned solar installing company
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in Danville, which is in Contra Costa county.
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We support several employees who were unskilled,
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who we trained in this field and they have...
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we pay a living wage better than living wage.
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We are happy to help our and neighbors here
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in central Contra Costa go solar.
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I'm speaking today in opposition
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of the proposed changes, the net metering.
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I think I echo many of the already excellent comments
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that have been made about how some of the logic
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that is flawed on how this proposal has been developed.
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Obviously from a personal standpoint,
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we stand to lose our business
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if this proposal goes through.
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So that's bad, but I also wanna think
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about the big picture and I urge the Commission
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to think about the big picture
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of how we all need to be in this together
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to help more solar being home in California.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Alexandra Massey.
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You may go ahead.
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[Alexandra Massey] Hi.
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My name is Alexandra Massey
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and I'm with California Youth For Safe Oil.
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I'm 18 years old and I live in Ventura county
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and I'm calling in from UCBerkeley.
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I'm calling to demand that the CPUC rejects SoCalGas
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and prioritize the health and wellbeing
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of the west side community in Ventura.
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The SoCalGas compressor station has been devastating
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damage to the people living by as highlighted
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by other callers in past meetings.
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And also catalyzing climate change
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as a super emitter of methane.
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As a young person in California,
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who is going to deal with the consequences
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of climate change,
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I demand that you stop all the fuel production
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and shut down the SoCalGas and preservation
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not letting it expand.
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I also support the solar rights callers
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and urge you to follow their request
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to increase solar energy in California,
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not tax it as we've seen in from scientists
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and from the war in Ukraine.
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We need to go to renewable energy
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as opposed to taxing it and making it more difficult--
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Patricia Blevins.
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You may go ahead.
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[Patricia Blevins] It's Patricia Blevins.
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I live in San Jose,
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the CPUC silence and lack of a timeline
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for a decision on rooftop solar is not acceptable.
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Over 140,000 people have said this to the CPUC
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in every possible way.
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The CPUC says it cares about equity.
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If that is really true,
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then help more people get solar
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rather than taking it away
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from the middle and working classes.
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California cannot meet its climate change goals
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if the CPUC destroys rooftop solar.
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Further, California cannot require all new houses
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to have solar panels and then turn around
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and tax them anymore than it can renege
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on its agreements with current solar owners
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without being found guilty of bait and switch.
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To sum up, I want no solar tax of any kind.
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Ensure solar becomes more affordable
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for working in middle class households
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and honor the existing 20 year protection
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for current solar users.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is John Servingson.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi.
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Hello.
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I'm calling in opposition
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to the new net metering revisions.
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While I run a small Boutique Staffing Firm
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that serves residential and commercial
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contractors and developers in California.
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The proposed changes would decimate the economics
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for solar energy impacting not only the team we have here,
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but all of the companies that we work with and support.
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Through these changes would be absolutely horrendous
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for the growth and the sustainability of the solar industry.
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I asked the CPUC to reconsider
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and really go back to the drawing board
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and find a new solution to this.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Dwayne Sanders.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning.
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This is Dwayne Sanders.
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I'm from Riverside area,
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and I just wanna voice my opinion
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that we should not be taxed
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for purchasing solar panels.
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We spent $25,000 plus and it benefited us,
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but it'll take 20 years to recoup that.
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So, we do not allow any taxes on that.
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Also, we shouldn't be paying for mismanagement
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of the utility companies.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Benjamin Wiffer.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi.
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Spoken on a few of these already.
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Just wanted to say that this aggressive posturing
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by the utilities should not be the starting point.
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It's kinda of embarrassing that the previous CPUC members
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put that forward as a starting point.
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Let's look at NEM 2.0 as a starting point
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instead and if there needs to be
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a small incremental change to that,
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that's fine I think that's the intent moving forward
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is small incremental changes
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not such an aggressive change
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that would completely destroy solar
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moving forward on rooftops
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and speaking of new homes require solar.
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So, under this new proposal,
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you'd be essentially taxing everybody
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who wants to buy a new home
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just kinda of goes completely against the grain
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and it's out tune and out of touch
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with what California's moving towards.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Patricia Wayne.
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You may go ahead.
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Thank you.
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I'm a home owner in Beaumont, California.
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I live in an over 55 community
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and just retired in September.
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We have been wanting to do solar for a while
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and we're figuring out how we could do that in our budget
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when we had a multiple day power outage this past summer.
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So, we went into our savings
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to install solar for three reasons.
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To save on our electric bill
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and zero out our cash investment
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over the next 10 years to do our part
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for the environment in California's goals,
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as well as to protect ourselves from power outages.
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Many of our neighbors who are all seniors
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and on fixed incomes have done the same.
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Please, I just ask you sincerely
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to think about the hard working homeowners
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and who didn't make this financial decision easily,
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and don't subscribe to the claims of utility companies.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Rebecca Barconnect.
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You may go ahead.
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[Rebecca Barconnect] Hi.
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As noted my name's Rebecca Barconnect,
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I live in Memo Park, California,
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which is in San Mateo county.
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I'm calling in because I do oppose the proposed decision
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to further tax solar panel systems.
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We grew in this state of all states
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need to make solar and battery installation more affordable
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not less for all energy users in California.
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Privately owned solar systems should be considered
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an important and valuable resource
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for supplementing power versus buying power
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from out of state higher priced
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and often higher polluting sources.
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California really should be a leader
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in the United States and world for that matter
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for encouraging solar connection systems
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on all of our structures, homes,
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businesses, garages, et cetera.
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Distributing sources of power generations
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such as these can greatly lessen the variability
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of demand on centralized systems.
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In times of system wide outage,
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localized sources can keep things running
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for a period of time while reducing the load
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as primary systems return to service.
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Net metering makes home solar systems
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more affordable for people--
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
Thank you very much.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Michael Canner.
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You may go ahead.
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My name is Michael Canner.
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I live in Oakmont,
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senior community in east Santa Rosa
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called, as I said Oakmont.
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We have lots of rooftop solar and battery walls here.
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Since the PSPS shutoff,
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we all sell lots of power back to PG&E.
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We would not have purchased this under the new rate proposal
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was under my impression, California, trying to become
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more energy efficient and encouraging rooftop solar
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you don't do this by...
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you do this by offering incentives,
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not by taxing people.
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And since when does California go back
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on its word for 20 year commitments.
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This new proposal will also harm people with disability
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who've been trying to buy rooftop solar because of the PSPS.
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I am speaking in and ask the Commission
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to reject the proposal.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Craig Rush.
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You may go ahead.
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Thank you.
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Can you hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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Great.
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So Craig rush, I live in Foster City.
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I've worked in solar since 2007.
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When we have solar on our roof since 2009,
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the NEM three proposal does nothing
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to advance California climate goals
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and it's not more inclusive for energy users.
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It's less inclusive.
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So, I think you need to go back square one and start over.
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I don't think there's a big hurry on this,
00:27:55.541 --> 00:27:57.455
but we do need something that's more equitable
00:27:57.455 --> 00:28:01.011
for everyone and not totally leaning
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toward the utility companies.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:28:05.828 --> 00:28:08.245
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Milton Nogueira.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning, Milton Nogueira.
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I work for Roof Tech
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as a monthly system company of California.
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We are also members of the California Solar Energy
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and Storage Association.
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I'm calling to rebut this proposal.
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I've been in the business since 1997 is about 25 so years,
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we have helped train a lot of installers.
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A lot of small businesses have been created
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for the solar installations,
00:28:49.965 --> 00:28:53.279
and this is gonna affect tremendously
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.192
families in their livehood.
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So, thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
00:29:01.746 --> 00:29:03.815
Our next caller is Brent Mailand.
00:29:03.815 --> 00:29:05.232
You may go ahead.
00:29:06.866 --> 00:29:07.699
Hi.
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Yes, good morning.
00:29:08.532 --> 00:29:09.365
My name is Brent Maland.
00:29:09.365 --> 00:29:10.804
I live in Stockton, California.
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I represent (indistinct) and there is only one way
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the CPUC can fix this mess,
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no solar tax of any kind.
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Consumers should be able to control their energy bills
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and we should be helping people
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to become more energy independent from utilities,
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especially when we're expected
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to switch to energy efficient cars and appliances.
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Let's be smart on how we transition
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to clean energy and utilize our rooftops.
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If we cannot complete this goal,
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California will not meet a climate change needs
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:39.517
and the monopolies will continue to line
00:29:39.517 --> 00:29:41.062
their own pockets and the consumers
00:29:41.062 --> 00:29:42.326
will continue to pay the price.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:29:44.788 --> 00:29:47.205
Operator, next caller please.
00:29:49.653 --> 00:29:51.489
Our next caller is Eric Whiteside.
00:29:51.489 --> 00:29:52.822
You may go ahead
00:30:03.499 --> 00:30:04.332
Again, Eric Whiteside.
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Your line is open.
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You may go ahead with your comment.
00:30:15.066 --> 00:30:15.899
And we're not able to hear you.
00:30:15.899 --> 00:30:18.399
Please check your mute button.
00:30:25.035 --> 00:30:27.117
And should we go to the next caller?
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Yes, please.
00:30:27.950 --> 00:30:29.965
Thank you operator.
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Our next caller is David Rush.
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You may go ahead.
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Too much is still unknown
00:30:35.467 --> 00:30:38.292
about the electric grid of the future
00:30:38.292 --> 00:30:41.946
to kill rooftop solar now in its infancy.
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Credible research refutes the claim by utilities
00:30:45.648 --> 00:30:47.518
that rooftop solar is creating
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a huge cost shift to non solar customers.
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The NEM proposal before the Commission
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does not give a full and fair accounting
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of the benefits that rooftop combined with storage
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will add to the grid of the future.
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The chorus of opposition to the proposal is growing,
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the public is listening to respected
00:31:07.158 --> 00:31:10.212
and informed voices like Loretta Lynch
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former CPUC member president,
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who has opined that any cost shift
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related to rooftop is tiny in comparison
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to the many decisions by the regulators
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and utilities that have contributed
00:31:23.425 --> 00:31:25.592
much more to higher rates.
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The verdict is still out.
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The public believes that rooftop solar
00:31:30.306 --> 00:31:34.697
should be an integral part of a post fossil fuel world.
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And the best solution is both centralized
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and local generation.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Clint Biddle
00:31:49.410 --> 00:31:50.450
with Solar Technologies.
00:31:50.450 --> 00:31:51.867
You may go ahead.
00:31:52.940 --> 00:31:54.220
Hi, my name is Clint Biddle.
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I've been working for Solar Technologies
00:31:56.100 --> 00:31:58.830
in San Jose, California for 15 years.
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I've been very proud to work in this industry.
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It would be absolutely devastating to me personally
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for the proposed NEM decision to move forward
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as I would expect to lose my job and livelihood,
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but there are thousands more just like me
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wondering if we will still have a job
00:32:13.121 --> 00:32:15.640
in this industry under the proposed decision.
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And I think those lost jobs would be disastrous
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for our economy, but further than that,
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the proposed NEM decision would immediately
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slow down consumer solar adoption,
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which is crucial to decentralizing our electric grid,
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which adds resiliency and helps
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decarbonize our energy sources.
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So, I strongly urge you to make solar
00:32:32.784 --> 00:32:35.114
more accessible for consumers in order to fight
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climate change and support our economy,
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which would be a win-win as opposed to a lose-lose
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under the proposed decision.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Dennis del Far.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello.
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My name is Dennis Dennis del Far
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and I first want to thank all the CPUC Commissioners
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and others from hearing my comments today
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on this and important NEM 3.0 issue.
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I am a homeowner in the Star City of Cypress
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along with my wife Marrian,
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and we are new solar system owners.
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We are very proud that we have already offset
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over four and a quarter tons of carbon
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since our solar system was turned on
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in September, 2021.
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Commissioner, please do not hurt regular
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middle class solar system owners like us
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who invested in their homes for their long term.
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We are not wealthy.
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Our NEM 2.0 agreement is for 20 years,
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not 15 years or less because a deal is a deal.
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Finally, seven hardworking young men
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came to our home and did a great job
00:33:43.448 --> 00:33:45.606
installing our solar system.
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As you move forward with the new NEM 3.0 decision making,
00:33:50.131 --> 00:33:53.372
please do not to destroy the solar industry
00:33:53.372 --> 00:33:55.575
for the hard working Californians.
00:33:55.575 --> 00:33:56.605
(bell ringing)
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(indistinct)
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
00:34:00.336 --> 00:34:02.753
Operator, next caller please.
00:34:04.412 --> 00:34:06.777
Our next caller is Kristen Kirk.
00:34:06.777 --> 00:34:08.194
You may go ahead.
00:34:11.422 --> 00:34:12.255
Yes.
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I'm a solar sales representative for Sun Power
00:34:14.321 --> 00:34:16.988
by Preses, the proposed NEM 3.0,
00:34:18.561 --> 00:34:20.229
has me worried for my job,
00:34:20.229 --> 00:34:22.960
the company I work for, my clients in the queue
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.644
in the solar industry as a whole,
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NEM 3.0 will devastate the solar industry
00:34:29.057 --> 00:34:32.353
and put me and thousands of people out of the job,
00:34:32.353 --> 00:34:35.773
not to mention thousands of local businesses.
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Please reject this.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:34:39.493 --> 00:34:41.910
Operator, next caller please.
00:34:48.075 --> 00:34:50.031
Our next caller is Mark Simmons.
00:34:50.031 --> 00:34:51.448
You may go ahead.
00:34:52.681 --> 00:34:53.514
Hello.
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I'm the founder of the Nonprofit
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.481
California Zero Carbon Communities.
00:34:57.481 --> 00:34:59.204
Have worked in solar for 15 years
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including for solar manufacturers.
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We work primarily in the San Joaquin valley.
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One of our programs is focused on providing
00:35:07.152 --> 00:35:10.892
solar systems to low income homeowners without credit.
00:35:10.892 --> 00:35:14.436
And the changes that are now being proposed
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would basically kill program.
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Overall net metering needs to stay intact
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at retailer near retail in order
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for the industry to serve the public.
00:35:26.293 --> 00:35:28.844
So please don't harm low income homeowners
00:35:28.844 --> 00:35:31.194
and reject this proposal.
00:35:31.194 --> 00:35:32.619
Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:35:33.452 --> 00:35:35.869
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Kent Basian.
00:35:39.074 --> 00:35:40.491
You may go ahead.
00:35:43.328 --> 00:35:44.919
Hi, my name is Kent Basian.
00:35:44.919 --> 00:35:47.053
I live in Orangeville, California.
00:35:47.053 --> 00:35:49.502
I'm just a homeowner.
00:35:49.502 --> 00:35:54.502
I'm requesting that there be no tax of any kind on solar.
00:35:55.002 --> 00:35:58.108
The utility companies are the benefactor
00:35:58.108 --> 00:36:01.463
of charging owners or fees on their solar panels.
00:36:01.463 --> 00:36:05.088
Homeowners pay for the installation maintenance,
00:36:05.088 --> 00:36:06.882
and also bear the wear and tear
00:36:06.882 --> 00:36:08.600
on the roast of their homes
00:36:08.600 --> 00:36:10.144
for the installation of solar.
00:36:10.144 --> 00:36:13.978
If the CPUC allows these additional fees,
00:36:13.978 --> 00:36:16.742
there is no benefit to installing solar,
00:36:16.742 --> 00:36:18.447
the CPUs...I'm sorry.
00:36:18.447 --> 00:36:23.030
CPUC's core value includes operating with transparency.
00:36:24.632 --> 00:36:29.169
I, for one can say that if the CPUC had notified
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the public of the possibility
00:36:31.509 --> 00:36:33.676
that it will impose fees on solar,
00:36:33.676 --> 00:36:36.919
I definitely would not have purchased solar.
00:36:36.919 --> 00:36:39.379
(clearing throat)
00:36:39.379 --> 00:36:43.212
We purchased a solar to reduce the energy fees
00:36:44.849 --> 00:36:46.419
in our retirement, which--
00:36:46.419 --> 00:36:49.114
(bell ringing)
00:36:49.114 --> 00:36:49.947
Thank you very much.
00:36:49.947 --> 00:36:50.928
Thank you.
00:36:50.928 --> 00:36:53.511
Operator, next caller please.
00:36:59.518 --> 00:37:00.774
And one moment for our next caller.
00:37:00.774 --> 00:37:03.374
Our next caller is Ann Marie Wibo.
00:37:03.374 --> 00:37:04.673
You may go ahead.
00:37:04.673 --> 00:37:07.064
Hi, my name is Ann Marie Wibo.
00:37:07.064 --> 00:37:09.955
I live in Albian in Mendocino county.
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I paid $30,000 for my solar panels
00:37:13.344 --> 00:37:16.304
and my kids cannot afford it.
00:37:16.304 --> 00:37:21.221
And also they're told that about this new net metering law.
00:37:22.634 --> 00:37:27.453
The attack on rooftop solar with deceptive propagandas
00:37:27.453 --> 00:37:32.393
aimed at squashing energy independence is non acceptable.
00:37:32.393 --> 00:37:35.693
And how can you consider changing the rules
00:37:35.693 --> 00:37:40.140
for the 1.3 million of us who have already gone solar?
00:37:40.140 --> 00:37:41.963
I cannot believe how the state
00:37:41.963 --> 00:37:44.753
can take solar and batteries away
00:37:44.753 --> 00:37:47.503
from the public who had blackouts
00:37:48.368 --> 00:37:52.643
while California is still declaring an energy crisis.
00:37:52.643 --> 00:37:55.560
And we need to reject this proposal
00:37:59.313 --> 00:38:03.396
and not increase and tax people who are suffering
00:38:07.080 --> 00:38:08.412
with COVID and with above--
00:38:08.412 --> 00:38:10.752
(bell ringing)
00:38:10.752 --> 00:38:11.617
Thank you.
00:38:11.617 --> 00:38:12.490
Thank you for your comment.
00:38:12.490 --> 00:38:14.907
Operator, next caller please.
00:38:19.674 --> 00:38:21.869
Our next caller is Richard Waserman.
00:38:21.869 --> 00:38:23.992
You may go ahead.
00:38:23.992 --> 00:38:25.367
[Richard Waserman] My name is Richard Waserman
00:38:25.367 --> 00:38:27.261
and I am a member of the City Council
00:38:27.261 --> 00:38:28.883
of the City of Point Marina.
00:38:28.883 --> 00:38:30.623
I appreciate the opportunity to speak
00:38:30.623 --> 00:38:33.227
to this extremely important topic.
00:38:33.227 --> 00:38:35.723
We all know that the issue of human cause
00:38:35.723 --> 00:38:37.413
global climate change is one of the most
00:38:37.413 --> 00:38:39.983
drastic problems facing the earth today.
00:38:39.983 --> 00:38:42.056
One way to combat this problem
00:38:42.056 --> 00:38:44.053
on an individual basis is to install
00:38:44.053 --> 00:38:46.758
rooftop solar panels on our homes.
00:38:46.758 --> 00:38:50.104
We did so about four years ago at great financial sacrifice,
00:38:50.104 --> 00:38:53.089
but with the hope that we are combating the effects
00:38:53.089 --> 00:38:56.269
of global warming and providing long term savings.
00:38:56.269 --> 00:38:59.753
The main goal is reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
00:38:59.753 --> 00:39:01.662
Allow me to be very clear.
00:39:01.662 --> 00:39:05.299
The members of the California Public Utilities Commission
00:39:05.299 --> 00:39:09.688
do not exist to protect the profits of utilities.
00:39:09.688 --> 00:39:12.602
You're mission statement is contained
00:39:12.602 --> 00:39:14.756
and that most important word
00:39:14.756 --> 00:39:16.732
and that word is public.
00:39:16.732 --> 00:39:19.129
Please do not allow our California utilities
00:39:19.129 --> 00:39:21.704
to weaken rooftop solar incentives
00:39:21.704 --> 00:39:23.573
with a thousand cuts.
00:39:23.573 --> 00:39:24.406
Thank you.
00:39:25.332 --> 00:39:26.583
Thank you.
00:39:26.583 --> 00:39:29.000
Operator, next caller please.
00:39:30.968 --> 00:39:33.103
Our next caller is Hasim Rahman.
00:39:33.103 --> 00:39:34.520
You may go ahead.
00:39:36.327 --> 00:39:38.244
Hello.
00:39:39.712 --> 00:39:40.752
My name is Hasim Fady.
00:39:40.752 --> 00:39:42.387
I'm with wired into the future
00:39:42.387 --> 00:39:45.037
upon becoming a C10 electrical contractor.
00:39:45.037 --> 00:39:47.400
I chose to leave my 15 year technician job
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.654
at a local community college and go
00:39:49.654 --> 00:39:50.556
into the solar business.
00:39:50.556 --> 00:39:51.821
I knew at the time,
00:39:51.821 --> 00:39:53.327
the direction the solar industry would take
00:39:53.327 --> 00:39:55.641
and how much it could help in many ways.
00:39:55.641 --> 00:39:56.826
That belief hasn't changed.
00:39:56.826 --> 00:39:58.576
It's what's driven me to take care
00:39:58.576 --> 00:40:00.189
of solar customers, whether ours or folks
00:40:00.189 --> 00:40:02.738
that had their installer go out of business.
00:40:02.738 --> 00:40:04.608
I've witnessed what solar power can do for folks,
00:40:04.608 --> 00:40:06.238
how they feel after going solar,
00:40:06.238 --> 00:40:08.898
how they feel safe when the lights don't go out at night
00:40:08.898 --> 00:40:10.794
because of their solar with batteries,
00:40:10.794 --> 00:40:12.288
how they feel they've made the investment
00:40:12.288 --> 00:40:15.733
towards their future and the future of the planet.
00:40:15.733 --> 00:40:17.676
With the currently proposed NEM three agreement,
00:40:17.676 --> 00:40:20.313
the right to produce your own energy is a on the line.
00:40:20.313 --> 00:40:22.908
And dis-incentivizing low to moderate income California's
00:40:22.908 --> 00:40:25.878
in the adoption of decentralized energy production
00:40:25.878 --> 00:40:28.269
impedes on their own individual ability
00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:30.369
to help themselves and to do their part
00:40:30.369 --> 00:40:31.914
in saving the environment.
00:40:31.914 --> 00:40:33.739
Unfortunately, moving towards a model that NEM three
00:40:33.739 --> 00:40:35.852
represents will set a new negative tone
00:40:35.852 --> 00:40:37.279
to the energy consumer.
00:40:37.279 --> 00:40:39.935
An energy consumer is considering moving towards solar
00:40:39.935 --> 00:40:42.087
(bell ringing) who wants to help supply their own energy--
00:40:42.087 --> 00:40:43.717
Thank you very much.
00:40:43.717 --> 00:40:44.616
Thank you for your comment.
00:40:44.616 --> 00:40:45.449
Thank you.
00:40:45.449 --> 00:40:48.032
Operator, next caller please.
00:40:49.049 --> 00:40:52.229
Our next caller is Julia Sinquimani.
00:40:52.229 --> 00:40:53.646
You may go ahead.
00:40:54.670 --> 00:40:55.503
[Julia Sinquimani] Hello.
00:40:55.503 --> 00:40:56.909
My name is Julia Sinquimani.
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I am the Latina owner of Solar Connection, Inc.
00:40:59.750 --> 00:41:01.378
And we are a green certified
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Social Enterprise and Mission Hills.
00:41:03.309 --> 00:41:05.579
I've worked in solar for five years.
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:08.259
I love and I am very proud of my small business
00:41:08.259 --> 00:41:10.669
because it allows me the opportunity
00:41:10.669 --> 00:41:12.720
to show my daughters that neither my sex
00:41:12.720 --> 00:41:15.013
or ethnicity matter in this field.
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And that with hard work and perseverance,
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anything is possible.
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It allows me to prove to them that women
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like the Lotus Walter, May Carol Jameson,
00:41:23.488 --> 00:41:25.737
Hellen Ochoa, Danica Patrick,
00:41:25.737 --> 00:41:26.998
and Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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didn't paste the way of equality,
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just so that the big energy companies
00:41:30.752 --> 00:41:32.704
and their lobbyists make it harder
00:41:32.704 --> 00:41:35.392
for us to survive and provide for our children.
00:41:35.392 --> 00:41:37.804
For those small businesses who survive the pandemic
00:41:37.804 --> 00:41:39.971
and the shutdowns, the proposed decision
00:41:39.971 --> 00:41:42.172
would kill our small businesses
00:41:42.172 --> 00:41:43.881
and it's a disaster.
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I implore you the Public Utilities Commission
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to just say no and reject this NEM three.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:41:52.614 --> 00:41:55.031
Operator, next caller please.
00:41:57.040 --> 00:41:59.569
Our next caller is Steven Pope.
00:41:59.569 --> 00:42:00.986
You may go ahead.
00:42:03.160 --> 00:42:04.600
Good afternoon.
00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:05.973
Good morning, sorry.
00:42:05.973 --> 00:42:08.589
I'm calling from Ojai in Ventura county.
00:42:08.589 --> 00:42:10.984
You may remember that Ojai was a 100%
00:42:10.984 --> 00:42:13.512
surrounded by the 2017 Thomas fire,
00:42:13.512 --> 00:42:15.225
which was sparked by Southern California.
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Edison's antiquated equipment.
00:42:17.552 --> 00:42:21.009
I've retired university of California faculty.
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So that doesn't qualify me as a rich man.
00:42:23.125 --> 00:42:25.776
My wife and I live in a Senior Centric Development
00:42:25.776 --> 00:42:27.850
where I operate in amateur radio,
00:42:27.850 --> 00:42:29.884
emergency service hub.
00:42:29.884 --> 00:42:33.877
And so another power outage would require us
00:42:33.877 --> 00:42:35.878
to be able to provide a cool house
00:42:35.878 --> 00:42:39.908
to our neighbors and communication infrastructure.
00:42:39.908 --> 00:42:41.623
So, solar panels and battery backup
00:42:41.623 --> 00:42:45.443
are not simply a rich man's luxury for us.
00:42:45.443 --> 00:42:47.478
Widespread solar panels decreased the need
00:42:47.478 --> 00:42:49.320
for long distance power lines,
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.190
saving the utilities many millions of dollars
00:42:52.190 --> 00:42:54.260
I would like to remind you that the state
00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:58.040
had set a goal of a 100% clean energy by 2045.
00:42:58.040 --> 00:43:02.207
Why would the CPUC move in the opposite direction?
00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:06.942
Lastly, I'd like to remind us that when we deregulated
00:43:06.942 --> 00:43:07.775
(bell ringing)
00:43:07.775 --> 00:43:09.090
the utilities in 1996--
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Thank you very much.
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I'll stop there.
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Thank you for your comment.
00:43:12.044 --> 00:43:14.461
Operator, next caller please.
00:43:15.866 --> 00:43:17.820
Our next caller is P. Peterson.
00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:19.237
You may go ahead.
00:43:20.328 --> 00:43:21.161
I'm P. Peterson.
00:43:21.161 --> 00:43:23.693
I'm with ATS solar in San Diego.
00:43:23.693 --> 00:43:25.848
I've been in the solar industry for two years
00:43:25.848 --> 00:43:29.061
after my job in a different industry got eliminated.
00:43:29.061 --> 00:43:31.051
All my jobs all through my career
00:43:31.051 --> 00:43:34.344
have been private industry jobs. And I wanted to ask you,
00:43:34.344 --> 00:43:37.177
please don't kill the small businesses.
00:43:37.177 --> 00:43:39.005
The make up the solar industry.
00:43:39.005 --> 00:43:39.852
We're growing here.
00:43:39.852 --> 00:43:41.568
We hired two people this week,
00:43:41.568 --> 00:43:43.075
so please don't end my job.
00:43:43.075 --> 00:43:44.336
And please don't stop us
00:43:44.336 --> 00:43:46.694
from expanding the jobs of California.
00:43:46.694 --> 00:43:47.527
Thank you.
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Thank you.
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I did wanna pause for a moment
00:43:51.903 --> 00:43:53.369
and let the members of the public
00:43:53.369 --> 00:43:54.549
who are on the phone line
00:43:54.549 --> 00:43:56.627
know that we have a large number
00:43:56.627 --> 00:43:58.098
of commenters today.
00:43:58.098 --> 00:44:00.694
It may be a long wait time.
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And if for those of you who are unable
00:44:03.012 --> 00:44:07.179
please know that you can submit comments by email.
00:44:08.630 --> 00:44:12.630
The email address is public.advisor.cpuc.ca.gov.
00:44:18.354 --> 00:44:23.354
That email address is an alternative to oral comments
00:44:23.572 --> 00:44:26.384
this (indistinct) meeting this morning.
00:44:26.384 --> 00:44:29.019
Just wanted to let everyone know that, that is an option
00:44:29.019 --> 00:44:31.675
if you're unable to wait on the line
00:44:31.675 --> 00:44:34.172
for the long wait time that we expect.
00:44:34.172 --> 00:44:35.582
Thank you.
00:44:35.582 --> 00:44:37.999
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Joan Taylor.
00:44:41.612 --> 00:44:43.592
You may go ahead.
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Joan Taylor, Palm Springs,
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and I'm another voice opposing the proposed decision
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on NEM especially any monthly charge.
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In short, the PDE would let utilities
00:44:52.383 --> 00:44:53.632
monopolize solar power.
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And that's the true cost shift
00:44:55.682 --> 00:44:57.242
because approving anything that (indistinct)
00:44:57.242 --> 00:44:59.288
to this PDE will saddle ratepayers
00:44:59.288 --> 00:45:01.612
with yet another gift to utilities.
00:45:01.612 --> 00:45:04.010
This time in the form of unnecessary transmission
00:45:04.010 --> 00:45:06.568
to costs an ongoing charges.
00:45:06.568 --> 00:45:09.449
And when deny us all the reliability and jobs
00:45:09.449 --> 00:45:11.122
that rooftop solar provides.
00:45:11.122 --> 00:45:13.766
In short DGE is the way of the future.
00:45:13.766 --> 00:45:15.633
It's clear with all the proposed NEM
00:45:15.633 --> 00:45:17.422
is intended to kill it.
00:45:17.422 --> 00:45:19.621
Please throw out this PDE and go back
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to square one with a new decision.
00:45:21.143 --> 00:45:21.976
Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:45:23.785 --> 00:45:26.202
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Mindy Sloan.
00:45:29.652 --> 00:45:31.069
You may go ahead.
00:45:32.051 --> 00:45:33.594
Hi, I'm Mindy Sloan,
00:45:33.594 --> 00:45:36.524
otherwise known as grandma opgrid.
00:45:36.524 --> 00:45:40.432
I live in my solar powered home on 15 acres
00:45:40.432 --> 00:45:42.061
sitting next to two protected
00:45:42.061 --> 00:45:44.623
land spaces near San Diego.
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My hope is to consume as little footprint as possible
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.405
and leave the planet green and clean
00:45:50.405 --> 00:45:53.010
for my grandchildren and other children.
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I'm asking for no solar tax of any kind
00:45:56.589 --> 00:45:58.830
that we ensure that solar becomes affordable
00:45:58.830 --> 00:46:00.871
for all Californians.
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That we honor the existing 20 year
00:46:02.972 --> 00:46:05.155
protection for solar users.
00:46:05.155 --> 00:46:08.457
The utility industries anti-solar propaganda
00:46:08.457 --> 00:46:11.921
must be responded to with a firm no,
00:46:11.921 --> 00:46:15.046
and replaced with a strong yes.
00:46:15.046 --> 00:46:19.275
Yes to equity, open spaces and healthy climate.
00:46:19.275 --> 00:46:22.335
Yes to jobs, energy independence,
00:46:22.335 --> 00:46:26.502
and California's place as a leader for the nation.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Nick Pearson.
00:46:36.032 --> 00:46:38.145
You may go ahead.
00:46:38.145 --> 00:46:39.000
Thank you for letting me
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.724
voice my concerns regarding
00:46:40.724 --> 00:46:42.679
the current net energy metering situation.
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:44.869
It is not fair to the citizens of California,
00:46:44.869 --> 00:46:47.069
that the CPUC and the Governor are resolving
00:46:47.069 --> 00:46:49.469
this issue in the dark behind closed doors.
00:46:49.469 --> 00:46:51.959
Thousands of Californians have spoken out
00:46:51.959 --> 00:46:53.479
on their right to access the sun
00:46:53.479 --> 00:46:54.939
and generate their own electricity
00:46:54.939 --> 00:46:57.310
using their own rooftop solar systems.
00:46:57.310 --> 00:46:59.679
They rightfully deserve to offset
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.477
their own use at retail rates and receive
00:47:01.477 --> 00:47:03.723
a fair wholesale price for the access.
00:47:03.723 --> 00:47:05.381
Yes, more affluent folks benefited
00:47:05.381 --> 00:47:07.411
initially, but now cost drop.
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So that middle and low income families
00:47:08.691 --> 00:47:12.571
can benefit as long as a fair NEM program is in place.
00:47:12.571 --> 00:47:15.451
Changing it now to exclude all that the wealthy
00:47:15.451 --> 00:47:19.761
on the claim that it helps the disenfranchise is pathetic.
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This would forever prohibit middle
00:47:21.218 --> 00:47:23.831
and low income folks from benefiting from solar.
00:47:23.831 --> 00:47:25.839
And when ensure monopolistic dominance
00:47:25.839 --> 00:47:28.080
of profit driven investor on utility,
00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:30.259
it is not the CPUC's place to reinforce
00:47:30.259 --> 00:47:31.470
and strengthen monopolies.
00:47:31.470 --> 00:47:34.200
It is your place to keep solar powered democratic
00:47:34.200 --> 00:47:35.470
and in the hands of the people,
00:47:35.470 --> 00:47:38.100
please be as transparent and let the people
00:47:38.100 --> 00:47:39.550
of California know your plans
00:47:39.550 --> 00:47:40.990
for the future of solar power.
00:47:40.990 --> 00:47:42.570
Thank you.
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Thank you.
00:47:43.403 --> 00:47:45.820
Operator, next caller please.
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.672
Our next caller is Gary Bus.
00:47:50.672 --> 00:47:52.089
You may go ahead.
00:47:53.152 --> 00:47:53.985
Good morning.
00:47:53.985 --> 00:47:54.818
I'm Gary Bus.
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I'm retired in San Petro, California.
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We signed a contract for $20,000 for solar last year,
00:48:01.462 --> 00:48:03.632
we were excited, we're going to help our state
00:48:03.632 --> 00:48:05.742
out of the depression of unhealthy air
00:48:05.742 --> 00:48:08.012
and environment for now and the future.
00:48:08.012 --> 00:48:10.822
We cheered and laughed and we thought the best.
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Government utility has changed their mind.
00:48:13.812 --> 00:48:18.592
Most investors at panels are not blow to taxpayers
00:48:18.592 --> 00:48:20.832
like we say, like I say,
00:48:20.832 --> 00:48:24.182
we're hardworking families and paying taxes.
00:48:24.182 --> 00:48:25.922
We did this investment to clear the air
00:48:25.922 --> 00:48:27.332
and feel good about it,
00:48:27.332 --> 00:48:29.636
is the pride thing for sure.
00:48:29.636 --> 00:48:31.636
I vote for no solar tax.
00:48:32.592 --> 00:48:35.612
Please protect our investment.
00:48:35.612 --> 00:48:37.502
Thank you very much.
00:48:37.502 --> 00:48:38.352
Thank you.
00:48:38.352 --> 00:48:40.769
Operator, next caller please.
00:48:43.513 --> 00:48:45.672
Our next caller is Tor Valenza.
00:48:45.672 --> 00:48:47.089
You may go ahead.
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:51.026
Hi. My name is to Tor Valenza.
00:48:51.026 --> 00:48:55.026
I'm CEO of Unthink Solar in Oakland, California.
00:48:55.995 --> 00:48:58.269
I don't directly install solar,
00:48:58.269 --> 00:49:00.543
but I work with a lot of people who do.
00:49:00.543 --> 00:49:03.276
These are good, hardworking people
00:49:03.276 --> 00:49:05.522
who are working their butts off to transition
00:49:05.522 --> 00:49:07.446
our state to clean energy.
00:49:07.446 --> 00:49:10.254
You've heard from many of them today.
00:49:10.254 --> 00:49:13.243
As you know, we are in a climate crisis.
00:49:13.243 --> 00:49:15.204
Every clean Watt counts.
00:49:15.204 --> 00:49:17.353
Every roof can be a solution,
00:49:17.353 --> 00:49:20.833
but only if Commissioners don't gut net metering
00:49:20.833 --> 00:49:25.413
and the jobs of thousands of my hardworking solar friends,
00:49:25.413 --> 00:49:26.934
please do the right thing,
00:49:26.934 --> 00:49:29.034
maintain a high value for them
00:49:29.034 --> 00:49:32.274
that creates more jobs and more clean power
00:49:32.274 --> 00:49:34.534
for California and as an example
00:49:34.534 --> 00:49:36.284
to the rest of the United States.
00:49:36.284 --> 00:49:37.943
Thank you.
00:49:37.943 --> 00:49:38.776
Thank you.
00:49:38.776 --> 00:49:41.193
Operator, next caller please.
00:49:42.033 --> 00:49:43.644
Our next caller is Sherry Roth.
00:49:43.644 --> 00:49:45.061
You may go ahead.
00:49:47.069 --> 00:49:48.333
Thank you.
00:49:48.333 --> 00:49:50.484
I'm calling to ask that you please
00:49:50.484 --> 00:49:52.815
allow net metering to continue.
00:49:52.815 --> 00:49:54.873
It allows households, schools, businesses,
00:49:54.873 --> 00:49:56.713
and nonprofits to make long-term
00:49:56.713 --> 00:49:59.883
financial investments in rooftop solar.
00:49:59.883 --> 00:50:03.368
It is also unjust to not honor promises
00:50:03.368 --> 00:50:05.263
to current solar users
00:50:05.263 --> 00:50:07.014
in reference to cost shifting
00:50:07.014 --> 00:50:09.124
as a justification to make solar harder
00:50:09.124 --> 00:50:10.841
for families to install.
00:50:10.841 --> 00:50:13.408
I do not believe that my neighbors having solar
00:50:13.408 --> 00:50:15.525
increases my cost or means
00:50:15.525 --> 00:50:17.518
that they don't pay their fair share.
00:50:17.518 --> 00:50:21.098
It's false and has been refuted by many experts.
00:50:21.098 --> 00:50:24.809
To increase equity, please help more people get solar
00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:26.918
rather than making it harder.
00:50:26.918 --> 00:50:29.281
Thank you for hearing me.
00:50:29.281 --> 00:50:30.216
Thank you.
00:50:30.216 --> 00:50:32.633
Operator, next caller please.
00:50:37.184 --> 00:50:39.051
Our next caller is Mary Solday.
00:50:39.051 --> 00:50:40.468
You may go ahead.
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:42.660
Good morning.
00:50:42.660 --> 00:50:45.720
I'm Mary Solday homeowner in Oakland.
00:50:45.720 --> 00:50:48.870
I'm middle income and I could never afford solar
00:50:48.870 --> 00:50:51.150
until I got it through Sunrun.
00:50:51.150 --> 00:50:54.020
I sheltered two disabled people who work remotely
00:50:54.020 --> 00:50:56.010
through our frequent brownouts.
00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:57.831
Thanks to my solar.
00:50:57.831 --> 00:51:00.310
Why colonized precious open space
00:51:00.310 --> 00:51:02.320
in order to centralize solar.
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.780
Centralized power didn't save paradise,
00:51:04.780 --> 00:51:08.070
nimble stable, cleaner decentralized solar
00:51:08.070 --> 00:51:09.737
provides local jobs,
00:51:11.258 --> 00:51:12.918
provides local jobs,
00:51:12.918 --> 00:51:14.337
helps the climate, preserves
00:51:14.337 --> 00:51:17.683
the open space and incentivizes companies
00:51:17.683 --> 00:51:21.552
to give ordinary working people like me cleaner energy.
00:51:21.552 --> 00:51:25.338
Don't protect the utilities CPUC please,
00:51:25.338 --> 00:51:26.799
protect California.
00:51:26.799 --> 00:51:27.632
Thank you.
00:51:28.954 --> 00:51:29.787
Thank you.
00:51:29.787 --> 00:51:32.204
Operator, next caller please.
00:51:44.982 --> 00:51:47.423
Our next caller is Susan Debowski.
00:51:47.423 --> 00:51:48.848
You may go ahead.
00:51:48.848 --> 00:51:50.195
Hi, I'm Susan Debowski.
00:51:50.195 --> 00:51:51.864
I live in the San Gabriel valley,
00:51:51.864 --> 00:51:53.371
not so long ago we invested
00:51:53.371 --> 00:51:55.843
in rooftop solar for a modest home.
00:51:55.843 --> 00:51:57.944
Now however, I fear that rooftop solar customers
00:51:57.944 --> 00:51:59.291
will be discriminated against
00:51:59.291 --> 00:52:01.492
by a solar tax and very concerned,
00:52:01.492 --> 00:52:03.082
We won't have 20 years protection
00:52:03.082 --> 00:52:04.999
for our considerable investment.
00:52:04.999 --> 00:52:06.827
It's important to me that California
00:52:06.827 --> 00:52:08.740
meet its clean energy target
00:52:08.740 --> 00:52:10.612
by greatly expanding rooftop solar
00:52:10.612 --> 00:52:12.450
matching up affordability for middle
00:52:12.450 --> 00:52:14.238
and working class ratepayers.
00:52:14.238 --> 00:52:16.679
However, the proposed decision will guarantee
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.307
that rooftop solar will only be
00:52:18.307 --> 00:52:19.978
for upper income homeowners
00:52:19.978 --> 00:52:21.522
contrary to the utilities,
00:52:21.522 --> 00:52:23.431
very deceptive costship argument
00:52:23.431 --> 00:52:25.707
rooftop solar reduces the cost electricity
00:52:25.707 --> 00:52:28.649
for all ratepayers by decreasing the cost,
00:52:28.649 --> 00:52:31.008
a large scale solars investment in land
00:52:31.008 --> 00:52:34.175
and its disruption of sensitive environmental ecosystems
00:52:34.175 --> 00:52:35.963
of long distance transmission lines
00:52:35.963 --> 00:52:37.710
with a record of wild devastation
00:52:37.710 --> 00:52:40.805
and immeasurable cost of grid infrastructure investments,
00:52:40.805 --> 00:52:43.574
upgrades, maintenance, and dependence on peaker plants
00:52:43.574 --> 00:52:45.810
of excessive power outages as IOU's
00:52:45.810 --> 00:52:48.175
increasingly expand long distance power lines
00:52:48.175 --> 00:52:51.951
and infrastructure and their investors reap the profits,
00:52:51.951 --> 00:52:53.702
all customers of every income pay.
00:52:53.702 --> 00:52:54.720
(bell ringing)
00:52:54.720 --> 00:52:56.062
Thank you.
00:52:56.062 --> 00:52:56.957
Thank you.
00:52:56.957 --> 00:52:59.374
Operator, next caller please.
00:53:01.057 --> 00:53:03.905
Our next caller is Victoria Krishnan.
00:53:03.905 --> 00:53:05.322
You may go ahead.
00:53:10.732 --> 00:53:13.337
Hello Victoria Krishnan go ahead.
00:53:13.337 --> 00:53:14.964
[Victoria Krishnan] Hi, it's Victoria Krishnan.
00:53:14.964 --> 00:53:16.392
I live in Burbank.
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I strongly feel there should be no solar tax of any kind.
00:53:19.848 --> 00:53:22.332
We need more incentives for folks
00:53:22.332 --> 00:53:24.615
to invest in solar not less.
00:53:24.615 --> 00:53:27.049
We are in a code red climate emergency.
00:53:27.049 --> 00:53:29.653
Yes, we need utility scale renewables,
00:53:29.653 --> 00:53:32.744
but the fastest way to wean ourselves off fossil fuels
00:53:32.744 --> 00:53:34.818
is a solar panel on every roof
00:53:34.818 --> 00:53:36.648
and a battery in every garage.
00:53:36.648 --> 00:53:38.313
Thanks.
00:53:38.313 --> 00:53:39.209
Thank you.
00:53:39.209 --> 00:53:41.626
Operator, next caller please.
00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:45.876
Our next caller is Sharine Barkov.
00:53:45.876 --> 00:53:47.293
You may go ahead.
00:53:48.321 --> 00:53:49.154
Hello.
00:53:49.154 --> 00:53:51.415
My name is Sharine Barkov and I live in Long Beach.
00:53:51.415 --> 00:53:54.188
I oppose the current NEM three proposal.
00:53:54.188 --> 00:53:56.761
It is deeply flawed and can't be fixed.
00:53:56.761 --> 00:53:59.888
There should be no tax of any kind on rooftop solar
00:53:59.888 --> 00:54:02.513
and the utility company should honor
00:54:02.513 --> 00:54:06.212
the existing 20 year protection for solar users.
00:54:06.212 --> 00:54:08.456
Your lack of transparency over the rooftop
00:54:08.456 --> 00:54:10.795
solar decision is unacceptable.
00:54:10.795 --> 00:54:14.885
You owe the public a clear timeline for your process.
00:54:14.885 --> 00:54:17.370
During Governor Newsom's state of the state,
00:54:17.370 --> 00:54:18.576
he said, quote,
00:54:18.576 --> 00:54:22.216
"The California way means rejecting all binarys
00:54:22.216 --> 00:54:26.326
and finding new solutions to big problems."
00:54:26.326 --> 00:54:28.376
The new solution is clean energy.
00:54:28.376 --> 00:54:30.876
Clean energy is rooftop solar.
00:54:31.714 --> 00:54:34.398
In 2019 my husband and I installed
00:54:34.398 --> 00:54:36.428
rooftop solar on our home.
00:54:36.428 --> 00:54:38.789
Our decision was twofold to take control
00:54:38.789 --> 00:54:42.291
of our energy bill and to do our part for the environment.
00:54:42.291 --> 00:54:44.449
Please keep rooftop solar affordable.
00:54:44.449 --> 00:54:46.076
It's good for California.
00:54:46.076 --> 00:54:47.543
Thank you.
00:54:47.543 --> 00:54:48.517
Thank you.
00:54:48.517 --> 00:54:50.934
Operator, next caller please.
00:54:51.773 --> 00:54:53.642
Our next caller is Kay Bonnie.
00:54:53.642 --> 00:54:55.059
You may go ahead.
00:54:57.142 --> 00:54:57.975
Hello.
00:54:57.975 --> 00:54:58.852
My name is Kay Bonnie.
00:54:58.852 --> 00:55:00.806
I live in San Carlos.
00:55:00.806 --> 00:55:04.785
We all know how climate change is devastating California.
00:55:04.785 --> 00:55:07.635
Burning forests, smokey air, dry creeks.
00:55:07.635 --> 00:55:10.324
It makes no sense for the California Public Utilities
00:55:10.324 --> 00:55:13.204
Commission to penalized people for using solar.
00:55:13.204 --> 00:55:16.095
We need more people to install rooftop solar panels.
00:55:16.095 --> 00:55:19.750
I have solar panels installed on my roof as does my church.
00:55:19.750 --> 00:55:21.374
We want to mitigate climate change,
00:55:21.374 --> 00:55:22.840
not make it worse.
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.708
I oppose a proposal that requires current
00:55:24.708 --> 00:55:27.795
and new solar users to pay new fixed charges
00:55:27.795 --> 00:55:30.075
and drastically lowers of solar customer credit
00:55:30.075 --> 00:55:33.046
for the extra clean energy they send back to the grid.
00:55:33.046 --> 00:55:34.594
This moves California backwards
00:55:34.594 --> 00:55:36.490
at a time when we should be doing more
00:55:36.490 --> 00:55:37.900
to put electricity into the hands
00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:41.279
of everyday people to help address wildfire risk,
00:55:41.279 --> 00:55:45.029
blackouts, air pollution, and climate change.
00:55:46.486 --> 00:55:47.568
Thank you.
00:55:47.568 --> 00:55:49.985
Operator, next caller please.
00:55:51.594 --> 00:55:53.627
Our next caller is Cameron Thompson.
00:55:53.627 --> 00:55:55.044
You may go ahead.
00:55:56.073 --> 00:55:56.906
[Cameron Thompson] Hi,
00:55:56.906 --> 00:56:01.420
I'm Cam Thompson and I live in Simi valley Ventura county.
00:56:01.420 --> 00:56:04.626
I'd like the CPUC to recommend to Governor Newsom
00:56:04.626 --> 00:56:07.799
that the existing net metering rates be retained
00:56:07.799 --> 00:56:09.759
and that no solar power penalty tax
00:56:09.759 --> 00:56:13.254
be levied against residential solar power users.
00:56:13.254 --> 00:56:15.372
The reason being that if my family
00:56:15.372 --> 00:56:17.893
who lives in an average Bryce Ventura county home
00:56:17.893 --> 00:56:20.045
had not had these financial assurances.
00:56:20.045 --> 00:56:21.549
We would not have been able to afford
00:56:21.549 --> 00:56:24.320
to install the solar panels on our roof.
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.796
As it is, the monthly savings
00:56:26.796 --> 00:56:28.179
we now have on our electrical bill
00:56:28.179 --> 00:56:30.174
will over 15 years equal the amount we spend
00:56:30.174 --> 00:56:31.848
on installing our solar system.
00:56:31.848 --> 00:56:33.597
The big picture here for our state
00:56:33.597 --> 00:56:36.897
should be to establish a distributed electrical system
00:56:36.897 --> 00:56:39.032
where most single family residents
00:56:39.032 --> 00:56:40.524
can be self-sustaining for power
00:56:40.524 --> 00:56:43.099
and even contribute to their neighbors power needs.
00:56:43.099 --> 00:56:45.621
This would help reduce an increase in transmission lines,
00:56:45.621 --> 00:56:48.267
which have been responsible for disastrous fires,
00:56:48.267 --> 00:56:51.239
costing lives and billions of dollars in damage.
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.486
I believe that incorporating the distributive model
00:56:53.486 --> 00:56:56.660
is key to in converting California to clean energy
00:56:56.660 --> 00:56:58.371
and a productive economy.
00:56:58.371 --> 00:57:00.367
Thank you very much.
00:57:00.367 --> 00:57:01.221
Thank you.
00:57:01.221 --> 00:57:03.638
Operator, next caller please.
00:57:09.233 --> 00:57:12.237
Our next caller is James San Weiss.
00:57:12.237 --> 00:57:13.654
You may go ahead.
00:57:14.523 --> 00:57:15.356
Hello.
00:57:15.356 --> 00:57:16.927
This is James San Weiss.
00:57:16.927 --> 00:57:19.578
I live in Woodland Hills, California,
00:57:19.578 --> 00:57:24.093
and I work for Solar San Weiss as a Solar consultant.
00:57:24.093 --> 00:57:26.295
I really would appreciate it
00:57:26.295 --> 00:57:30.462
if Governor Gavin Newsom would take a public stand
00:57:31.723 --> 00:57:34.693
against the solar tax and in favor of making
00:57:34.693 --> 00:57:37.893
rooftop solar more affordable for middle
00:57:37.893 --> 00:57:38.913
and working class people,
00:57:38.913 --> 00:57:41.633
as well as low income and wealthy people.
00:57:41.633 --> 00:57:44.163
Just don't make it certain Governor Newsom
00:57:44.163 --> 00:57:47.246
is a leader of our state not to CPUC.
00:57:49.363 --> 00:57:51.702
His silence on this issue is very concerning.
00:57:51.702 --> 00:57:54.122
I want to know if he is on the public side
00:57:54.122 --> 00:57:55.402
or the utility side,
00:57:55.402 --> 00:57:56.953
we have the right to know,
00:57:56.953 --> 00:57:59.562
and I would appreciate it if he would let us know
00:57:59.562 --> 00:58:02.642
how he feels and stop this net metering tree
00:58:02.642 --> 00:58:05.812
from controlling whether or not people
00:58:05.812 --> 00:58:08.112
can put solar on their home and afford it.
00:58:08.112 --> 00:58:09.938
Thank you very much.
00:58:09.938 --> 00:58:10.771
Thank you.
00:58:10.771 --> 00:58:13.188
Operator, next caller please.
00:58:14.562 --> 00:58:16.572
Our next caller is Gregory Stark.
00:58:16.572 --> 00:58:17.989
You may go ahead.
00:58:22.652 --> 00:58:24.485
Hi, Greg stark here.
00:58:24.485 --> 00:58:26.881
I own a small solar contracting business
00:58:26.881 --> 00:58:30.337
and I've been involved in solar since 1979.
00:58:30.337 --> 00:58:33.312
I have well paid electricians and other skilled laborers
00:58:33.312 --> 00:58:36.083
working for me and they are all minorities.
00:58:36.083 --> 00:58:37.632
So, I want you to understand
00:58:37.632 --> 00:58:41.460
solar equals high paying skilled jobs for minorities.
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:43.902
I take pride in providing reasonably priced
00:58:43.902 --> 00:58:45.981
and professionally installed PV solar
00:58:45.981 --> 00:58:48.429
from my clients with the ROI of between
00:58:48.429 --> 00:58:50.193
five and seven years.
00:58:50.193 --> 00:58:52.823
I'm dedicated to PV solar not only as a trade,
00:58:52.823 --> 00:58:55.163
but as a green alternative energy source
00:58:55.163 --> 00:58:57.503
for a small company like mine TO survive
00:58:57.503 --> 00:58:59.533
is already challenge with the hurdles of paperwork
00:58:59.533 --> 00:59:01.633
and documentation required by utilities
00:59:01.633 --> 00:59:03.703
and building departments are reviewed
00:59:03.703 --> 00:59:07.453
the proposed CPUC NEM three, and was stunned.
00:59:08.603 --> 00:59:11.363
Not only would it change the expected ROI
00:59:11.363 --> 00:59:13.531
to 12 to 15 years at today's prices,
00:59:13.531 --> 00:59:16.374
it would shorten the promised 20 year grandfather,
00:59:16.374 --> 00:59:19.963
to 15 years, which in my opinion would be illegal.
00:59:19.963 --> 00:59:23.983
Anything close to that proposed, being a proposal,
00:59:23.983 --> 00:59:27.087
being adapted, and I'll be forced to shut the doors.
00:59:27.087 --> 00:59:28.599
It would be impossible to give customers
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:29.792
a reasonable return on their--
00:59:29.792 --> 00:59:32.692
(bell ringing)
00:59:32.692 --> 00:59:33.672
Thank you.
00:59:33.672 --> 00:59:34.522
Thank you for your comments.
00:59:34.522 --> 00:59:36.939
Operator, next caller please.
00:59:40.142 --> 00:59:42.212
Our next caller is Craig Dortie.
00:59:42.212 --> 00:59:44.422
You may go ahead.
00:59:44.422 --> 00:59:45.662
My name is Craig Dortie.
00:59:45.662 --> 00:59:47.982
I'm a resident of Los Angeles.
00:59:47.982 --> 00:59:50.572
Renewable energy is essential if the effects
00:59:50.572 --> 00:59:52.842
of climate change are to be mitigated.
00:59:52.842 --> 00:59:54.753
It's essential to do everything possible
00:59:54.753 --> 00:59:58.582
to reduce greenhouse gases from fossil fuel consumption.
00:59:58.582 --> 01:00:01.072
Rooftop solar must not be handicapped
01:00:01.072 --> 01:00:03.042
for the financial benefit of investor
01:00:03.042 --> 01:00:05.572
owned utilities and stockholders.
01:00:05.572 --> 01:00:07.902
The PUC must also ensure that electrical energy
01:00:07.902 --> 01:00:10.952
produced by rooftop installations is affordable
01:00:10.952 --> 01:00:14.651
to everyone working class and middle class especially
01:00:14.651 --> 01:00:17.302
equity and pricing for low income families
01:00:17.302 --> 01:00:20.422
need not be achieved by placing special charges
01:00:20.422 --> 01:00:23.472
on those who elect to in install rooftop panels.
01:00:23.472 --> 01:00:26.162
There are other and better ways to all families
01:00:26.162 --> 01:00:28.082
to meet their energy needs.
01:00:28.082 --> 01:00:30.262
Equity for those who've already installed
01:00:30.262 --> 01:00:34.893
rooftop panels means that the CPUC must not rescind
01:00:34.893 --> 01:00:37.073
its past promises of net metering
01:00:37.073 --> 01:00:39.752
promises are to be kept not equivocated.
01:00:39.752 --> 01:00:41.273
Thank you.
01:00:41.273 --> 01:00:42.132
Thank you.
01:00:42.132 --> 01:00:44.549
Operator, next caller please.
01:00:47.962 --> 01:00:49.882
Our next caller is Brian Leval.
01:00:49.882 --> 01:00:51.299
You may go ahead.
01:00:52.853 --> 01:00:53.712
Hello.
01:00:53.712 --> 01:00:55.672
Thank you for taking my call.
01:00:55.672 --> 01:00:57.839
And I had prepared remarks
01:00:59.952 --> 01:01:02.502
and my computer just went to sleep.
01:01:02.502 --> 01:01:03.335
Okay.
01:01:03.335 --> 01:01:04.168
My name is Brian Leval.
01:01:04.168 --> 01:01:05.987
I'm from Humboldt county and I wanted
01:01:05.987 --> 01:01:08.142
that first thank to Commissioners for your service.
01:01:08.142 --> 01:01:09.525
I know that it's not always easy
01:01:09.525 --> 01:01:11.887
to sit through these kinds of meetings.
01:01:11.887 --> 01:01:16.291
One year ago, my family spent 28,000 to Solarize our home.
01:01:16.291 --> 01:01:18.255
With the information we had at the time
01:01:18.255 --> 01:01:20.049
it made fiscal sense and more importantly,
01:01:20.049 --> 01:01:21.719
it was the right thing to do.
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.042
At the time we did not think PG&E
01:01:24.042 --> 01:01:26.930
would levy a huge tax on our solar equipment.
01:01:26.930 --> 01:01:28.925
I completely understand that PG&E
01:01:28.925 --> 01:01:30.675
has made horrible decisions by not maintaining
01:01:30.675 --> 01:01:32.956
their electric and gas infrastructure
01:01:32.956 --> 01:01:34.751
and now needs to spend huge funds
01:01:34.751 --> 01:01:36.014
to fix their problem.
01:01:36.014 --> 01:01:38.089
That money should come from stockholders
01:01:38.089 --> 01:01:39.880
and not the hardworking people who invested
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:41.627
in their energy futures.
01:01:41.627 --> 01:01:45.630
Tax and solar is not the way to a better tomorrow.
01:01:45.630 --> 01:01:47.515
This tax will cost California as many
01:01:47.515 --> 01:01:49.631
as 60,000 good paying jobs.
01:01:49.631 --> 01:01:51.582
No on the solar tax.
01:01:51.582 --> 01:01:53.295
Thank you very much.
01:01:53.295 --> 01:01:54.128
Thank you.
01:01:54.128 --> 01:01:56.545
Operator, next caller please.
01:01:58.542 --> 01:02:00.660
Our next caller is Frank Kaitawa.
01:02:00.660 --> 01:02:02.077
You may go ahead.
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:04.982
Hi, this is Frank Kaitawa.
01:02:04.982 --> 01:02:07.715
I've been working in the solar industry in North Carolina,
01:02:07.715 --> 01:02:09.222
actually for a little over a year,
01:02:09.222 --> 01:02:10.647
but in the short time I've been doing this,
01:02:10.647 --> 01:02:12.478
I've decided to dedicate my career,
01:02:12.478 --> 01:02:14.725
the advancement of renewable energy.
01:02:14.725 --> 01:02:18.034
I said, I'm disappointed that California Law crisis
01:02:18.034 --> 01:02:21.119
the state in which we in the EC is the solar state
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.131
kinda the gold standard is pushing
01:02:23.131 --> 01:02:24.960
these harsh penalties on their people
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.190
who have gone solar.
01:02:26.190 --> 01:02:28.310
This doesn't only affect Californians either.
01:02:28.310 --> 01:02:30.981
If back peddling on renewable energy can happen there,
01:02:30.981 --> 01:02:33.391
it can happen in any and every state.
01:02:33.391 --> 01:02:35.590
It's this simple, any policy that helps renewables
01:02:35.590 --> 01:02:38.010
is the right choice and any policy that hurts it
01:02:38.010 --> 01:02:39.161
it's the wrong choice,
01:02:39.161 --> 01:02:40.700
which is black and white as it gets.
01:02:40.700 --> 01:02:43.550
If California wants to remain our leader in clean energy,
01:02:43.550 --> 01:02:46.210
the CPUC to keep profit motivated utilities
01:02:46.210 --> 01:02:48.380
from punishing California's own citizens
01:02:48.380 --> 01:02:50.410
with these draconian fines and penalties
01:02:50.410 --> 01:02:52.930
for just contributing renewable energy.
01:02:52.930 --> 01:02:53.763
That's all.
01:02:53.763 --> 01:02:55.000
Thank you.
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:55.833
Thank you.
01:02:55.833 --> 01:02:58.250
Operator, next caller please.
01:03:01.730 --> 01:03:04.920
Our next caller is Denise Al Halabi.
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.337
You may go ahead.
01:03:12.250 --> 01:03:14.541
[Denise Al Halabi] I'm here. Thank you.
01:03:14.541 --> 01:03:16.041
One second please.
01:03:17.044 --> 01:03:17.877
Thank you.
01:03:17.877 --> 01:03:19.485
President Reynolds, Commissioners,
01:03:19.485 --> 01:03:21.241
staff and listeners.
01:03:21.241 --> 01:03:22.786
My name is Denise Al Halabi
01:03:22.786 --> 01:03:25.025
and I work at Sungage Financial
01:03:25.025 --> 01:03:28.157
LLC and Oakland as a Territory Account Manager
01:03:28.157 --> 01:03:31.417
for Southern California, Arizona and New Mexico.
01:03:31.417 --> 01:03:33.325
I've worked for solar for over a year.
01:03:33.325 --> 01:03:36.169
I love my solar career because I get to help
01:03:36.169 --> 01:03:39.917
our installer partners offer the lowest
01:03:39.917 --> 01:03:41.403
monthly payment options to their customers
01:03:41.403 --> 01:03:44.678
as well as zero fee financing options.
01:03:44.678 --> 01:03:49.678
The net energy metering to 3.0 proposal would kill my job
01:03:49.812 --> 01:03:52.453
and be an absolute disaster
01:03:52.453 --> 01:03:55.418
because it would make it impossible
01:03:55.418 --> 01:03:58.311
for people to go solar in California
01:03:58.311 --> 01:04:00.514
from early 2021 to today,
01:04:00.514 --> 01:04:03.893
we have provided thousands of reasons why this decision
01:04:03.893 --> 01:04:07.839
would be a disaster for California Rooftops for jobs
01:04:07.839 --> 01:04:11.054
are planet and the great state of California.
01:04:11.054 --> 01:04:13.942
Please do the right thing and don't believe the lives
01:04:13.942 --> 01:04:16.996
and height presented by those who support
01:04:16.996 --> 01:04:19.813
the current NEM 3.0 proposal.
01:04:19.813 --> 01:04:21.876
Just say (bell rings) no to 3.0.
01:04:21.876 --> 01:04:22.764
Thank you.
01:04:22.764 --> 01:04:24.023
Thank you very much.
01:04:24.023 --> 01:04:26.440
Operator, next caller please.
01:04:29.782 --> 01:04:31.510
Our next caller is Brian Wolfson.
01:04:31.510 --> 01:04:32.927
You may go ahead.
01:04:35.055 --> 01:04:35.888
Good morning.
01:04:35.888 --> 01:04:37.503
My name is Brian Wolfson.
01:04:37.503 --> 01:04:39.828
I work for SnapNrack Solar Mounting Solutions
01:04:39.828 --> 01:04:42.405
manufacturer based out of San Lu Obispo.
01:04:42.405 --> 01:04:44.935
I've worked in solar for four years and I chose
01:04:44.935 --> 01:04:48.085
to work in this industry as it allows Californians,
01:04:48.085 --> 01:04:51.115
the ability to lower their carbon footprint by powering
01:04:51.115 --> 01:04:55.155
their home with locally sourced, clean energy.
01:04:55.155 --> 01:04:57.795
The proposed net metering decision would be devastating
01:04:57.795 --> 01:05:00.795
in our fight against climate change and would undoubtedly
01:05:00.795 --> 01:05:04.205
lead to massive job losses across the rooftop industry.
01:05:04.205 --> 01:05:08.840
I fear for my future, my livelihood and my family.
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.036
California's a leader in this space.
01:05:11.036 --> 01:05:12.949
Other states that are starting to ramps up
01:05:12.949 --> 01:05:16.139
their solar production, look up to us for guidance.
01:05:16.139 --> 01:05:19.060
If we are to foster jobs and do something positive
01:05:19.060 --> 01:05:22.861
for our climate, then we must lead by example.
01:05:22.861 --> 01:05:26.350
Commissioners, you must reject proposed decision.
01:05:26.350 --> 01:05:28.752
Let's make history the right way.
01:05:28.752 --> 01:05:29.585
Thank you.
01:05:30.459 --> 01:05:31.292
Thank you.
01:05:31.292 --> 01:05:33.709
Operator, next caller please.
01:05:37.004 --> 01:05:39.485
Our next caller is Jim Jenal.
01:05:39.485 --> 01:05:40.902
You may go ahead.
01:05:42.014 --> 01:05:42.847
Good morning.
01:05:42.847 --> 01:05:44.463
My name is Jim Jenal, I'm the founder
01:05:44.463 --> 01:05:46.653
and CEO of Run On Sun.
01:05:46.653 --> 01:05:48.804
A small solar and storage installation
01:05:48.804 --> 01:05:51.306
company located in Pasadena.
01:05:51.306 --> 01:05:54.030
We need net metering rules that make solar affordable
01:05:54.030 --> 01:05:56.847
for all, but adding a tax on solar
01:05:56.847 --> 01:05:59.760
it just makes it more expensive for everyone.
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.730
My company has been in business for 15 years.
01:06:02.730 --> 01:06:05.650
We've survived two recessions in a once in a lifetime
01:06:05.650 --> 01:06:08.579
pandemic, but we cannot stay in business,
01:06:08.579 --> 01:06:10.709
if the net metering rules make the payback
01:06:10.709 --> 01:06:13.579
on a solar system decades long.
01:06:13.579 --> 01:06:17.249
California needs more solar and storage, not less.
01:06:17.249 --> 01:06:21.309
The proposed NEM 3.0 rules need to encourage
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those installation, not for them.
01:06:24.046 --> 01:06:26.127
Thank you very much for your time.
01:06:26.127 --> 01:06:26.960
Thank you.
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.377
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Tim.
01:06:33.582 --> 01:06:34.999
You may go ahead.
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:40.979
Yes, I am here to support the NEM decision.
01:06:40.979 --> 01:06:42.558
No, just kidding, I'm with everyone
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else and think it's horrible.
01:06:44.526 --> 01:06:47.116
I wanna talk about some of the unintended consequences
01:06:47.116 --> 01:06:48.916
of a change to net metering.
01:06:48.916 --> 01:06:51.709
First, the residential and solar...
01:06:51.709 --> 01:06:53.195
The residential, solar and commercial solar
01:06:53.195 --> 01:06:54.648
and storage mandates put in place
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by the CEC are immediately at risk.
01:06:56.902 --> 01:06:58.575
The financial viability of those mandates
01:06:58.575 --> 01:07:01.792
would be challenged and likely result in their undoing,
01:07:01.792 --> 01:07:04.144
wasting a large amount of generation that will be added
01:07:04.144 --> 01:07:06.491
to our energy system over the next decade.
01:07:06.491 --> 01:07:10.130
Second, in an already difficult real estate market,
01:07:10.130 --> 01:07:13.229
people will be more hesitant than ever to move.
01:07:13.229 --> 01:07:16.005
Especially if they're living under an NEM two rules.
01:07:16.005 --> 01:07:17.878
I for one, would include the utility cost
01:07:17.878 --> 01:07:20.480
in the calculation of any moving decision.
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:21.602
Third encountered to several
01:07:21.602 --> 01:07:24.080
of the parties, supporting them change.
01:07:24.080 --> 01:07:26.012
Homeowners like myself will be less likely
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not to electrify their homes.
01:07:28.543 --> 01:07:30.475
When I see an ever increasing electricity rates,
01:07:30.475 --> 01:07:32.522
why would I add to that but?
01:07:32.522 --> 01:07:34.166
Convincing people to break from their comfort zone
01:07:34.166 --> 01:07:36.078
is hard enough, even though heat pumps offer
01:07:36.078 --> 01:07:39.154
superior comfort and efficiency, induction offers
01:07:39.154 --> 01:07:42.090
cooks more control and they all improve indoor air quality.
01:07:42.090 --> 01:07:44.026
(bell rings) The ability to add solar
01:07:44.026 --> 01:07:47.378
to their home jump starts the electrification conversation
01:07:47.378 --> 01:07:50.412
as the legislature already defeated in attempt to change.
01:07:50.412 --> 01:07:52.612
I'm sorry, sir, your time is up.
01:07:52.612 --> 01:07:54.586
Thank you very much for your call.
01:07:54.586 --> 01:07:57.253
Operator, next caller, please.
01:07:57.253 --> 01:07:59.563
Our next caller is Keith Cibber.
01:07:59.563 --> 01:08:01.211
You may go ahead.
01:08:01.211 --> 01:08:02.582
Hi, my name is Keith Cibber.
01:08:02.582 --> 01:08:04.871
I'm a resident of Fort Bragg.
01:08:04.871 --> 01:08:08.683
I've had solar systems on my homes since 2006
01:08:08.683 --> 01:08:10.761
I'm not making money on these systems.
01:08:10.761 --> 01:08:14.562
I'm saving my already fixed retirement income.
01:08:14.562 --> 01:08:17.607
What happens to the price of solar power when a dictator
01:08:17.607 --> 01:08:20.600
invades another country, somewhere in the world?
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.183
Absolutely nothing.
01:08:23.130 --> 01:08:27.696
Same when OPEC raises their prices or a refinery blows up.
01:08:27.696 --> 01:08:30.121
Solar power is economic insurance
01:08:30.121 --> 01:08:32.642
ensuring the stability of an economy.
01:08:32.642 --> 01:08:35.742
There is only one way to fix the mess that we we're in.
01:08:35.742 --> 01:08:37.742
A, no taxes of any kind.
01:08:40.390 --> 01:08:43.668
I pay for my system, I pay taxes on the purchase.
01:08:43.668 --> 01:08:46.261
B, make solar more, not less affordable
01:08:46.261 --> 01:08:48.844
by supporting not impeding market forces
01:08:48.844 --> 01:08:51.112
and C honor your existing 20 year
01:08:51.112 --> 01:08:52.781
commitments to solar users.
01:08:52.781 --> 01:08:53.614
Thank you.
01:08:54.503 --> 01:08:55.596
Thank you.
01:08:55.596 --> 01:08:58.013
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Joseph Scott.
01:09:01.130 --> 01:09:03.072
You may go ahead.
01:09:03.072 --> 01:09:04.551
Hello, Joseph Scott,
01:09:04.551 --> 01:09:07.534
power California retired homeowner.
01:09:07.534 --> 01:09:10.159
I've heard a lot of discussion about how non solar
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.725
customers are disproportionately carrying
01:09:13.725 --> 01:09:16.753
more on their monthly bills for the maintenance
01:09:16.753 --> 01:09:18.298
of the electrical grid.
01:09:18.298 --> 01:09:19.536
And there's a thought of creating
01:09:19.536 --> 01:09:21.869
a grid participation charge.
01:09:22.728 --> 01:09:25.437
I suggest that it's not just residential customers,
01:09:25.437 --> 01:09:27.957
but the grid charge should go to everyone.
01:09:27.957 --> 01:09:30.929
Commercial, industrial businesses, schools, and churches.
01:09:30.929 --> 01:09:33.606
We all share the grid we should all
01:09:33.606 --> 01:09:36.139
share the cost of maintaining it.
01:09:36.139 --> 01:09:37.617
In addition, there's a suggestion,
01:09:37.617 --> 01:09:41.528
without not paying net providers, the retail cost.
01:09:41.528 --> 01:09:43.159
That's kind of like a double whammy.
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:44.912
If you don't get paid for what you provide
01:09:44.912 --> 01:09:48.421
and you have to pay the grid, that's like double taxation.
01:09:48.421 --> 01:09:51.150
In closing, with the current drought
01:09:51.150 --> 01:09:54.976
and the potential for less hydroelectric power,
01:09:54.976 --> 01:09:57.211
you should promote more solar.
01:09:57.211 --> 01:09:58.848
Thank you.
01:09:58.848 --> 01:09:59.827
Thank you.
01:09:59.827 --> 01:10:02.601
Operator, next caller please.
01:10:02.601 --> 01:10:04.934
Hey, I got to do it.
01:10:07.297 --> 01:10:09.755
Our next caller is Maggie Former.
01:10:09.755 --> 01:10:11.172
You may go ahead.
01:10:15.361 --> 01:10:16.194
Hello?
01:10:16.194 --> 01:10:17.424
Can you hear me?
01:10:17.424 --> 01:10:18.979
Yes, we can.
01:10:18.979 --> 01:10:20.321
Thank you.
01:10:20.321 --> 01:10:21.902
Hi, my name is Maggie Volock.
01:10:21.902 --> 01:10:24.674
I'm a resident of Santa Cruz.
01:10:24.674 --> 01:10:26.821
I'm opposed to the an NEM 3.0 proposed
01:10:26.821 --> 01:10:29.015
decision on rooftop solar.
01:10:29.015 --> 01:10:32.060
As you consider this decision, please do not impose
01:10:32.060 --> 01:10:37.060
any solar tax or fee of any kind on rooftop solar customers.
01:10:37.521 --> 01:10:41.849
Also do not remove the 20 year protection for solar users.
01:10:41.849 --> 01:10:46.329
We need less costly solar for lower and middle income home.
01:10:46.329 --> 01:10:48.856
In this time of conflict with Ukraine,
01:10:48.856 --> 01:10:50.164
we need solar more than ever.
01:10:50.164 --> 01:10:52.831
As we move to electric vehicles,
01:10:53.708 --> 01:10:57.251
gasoline prices is searching after the US banns Russian oil.
01:10:57.251 --> 01:10:59.248
It is your patriotic duty now to provide
01:10:59.248 --> 01:11:01.589
solar support for electric vehicles.
01:11:01.589 --> 01:11:04.761
You are in a position to help our country and our state
01:11:04.761 --> 01:11:07.212
to no longer be dependent on Russian gas.
01:11:07.212 --> 01:11:11.223
Over 140,000 people have already told you
01:11:11.223 --> 01:11:13.543
that they do not want any solar tax.
01:11:13.543 --> 01:11:15.252
Please listen to us.
01:11:15.252 --> 01:11:16.679
Thank you.
01:11:16.679 --> 01:11:17.735
Thank you.
01:11:17.735 --> 01:11:20.152
Operator, next caller please.
01:11:21.077 --> 01:11:23.292
Our next caller is Nate Nott.
01:11:23.292 --> 01:11:24.625
You may go ahead
01:11:32.213 --> 01:11:33.476
Again, Nate Nott.
01:11:33.476 --> 01:11:34.615
Your line is open.
01:11:34.615 --> 01:11:36.041
You may go ahead.
01:11:36.041 --> 01:11:36.874
Yes.
01:11:36.874 --> 01:11:38.403
This is Nate Nott calling from Stockton,
01:11:38.403 --> 01:11:40.653
California presenting CEEE.
01:11:42.248 --> 01:11:43.948
Raising rates on all does not provide
01:11:43.948 --> 01:11:46.101
equity for people lower income.
01:11:46.101 --> 01:11:49.598
My solar panels were installed by local workers of color.
01:11:49.598 --> 01:11:52.216
They were installed with made in USA components.
01:11:52.216 --> 01:11:53.529
If we lose this industry now
01:11:53.529 --> 01:11:56.619
we'll also lose the technology to China.
01:11:56.619 --> 01:11:59.529
We should make solar power more available to disadvantaged
01:11:59.529 --> 01:12:02.712
communities rather than making it more affordable.
01:12:02.712 --> 01:12:04.952
And for those homes that cannot have solar power,
01:12:04.952 --> 01:12:07.119
we should provide programs, improve insulation
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:09.930
and materials for making those homes more energy efficient
01:12:09.930 --> 01:12:11.232
so that they are more equitable
01:12:11.232 --> 01:12:13.611
with homes that have solar panel.
01:12:13.611 --> 01:12:16.494
Reducing rooftop power will strain the grid and lead
01:12:16.494 --> 01:12:19.851
to more rate requests by PG&E and other major utilities
01:12:19.851 --> 01:12:21.873
and taking away this program bait and switch on
01:12:21.873 --> 01:12:24.040
the people who signed up for the 20 year program.
01:12:24.040 --> 01:12:25.636
Thank you.
01:12:25.636 --> 01:12:26.518
Thank you.
01:12:26.518 --> 01:12:28.935
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Jane Penny Morris.
01:12:35.223 --> 01:12:37.081
You may go ahead.
01:12:37.081 --> 01:12:37.914
Good morning.
01:12:37.914 --> 01:12:38.872
Thank you.
01:12:38.872 --> 01:12:41.327
We're a retired homeowner I am...
01:12:41.327 --> 01:12:44.244
And we've had solar for since 2017.
01:12:45.112 --> 01:12:47.128
At this moment with all that's going on
01:12:47.128 --> 01:12:49.013
in our world, we should be helping people
01:12:49.013 --> 01:12:51.682
become more energy independent from monopolies
01:12:51.682 --> 01:12:54.505
of any kind, including utilities.
01:12:54.505 --> 01:12:57.118
We're getting harmed by endless rate hikes.
01:12:57.118 --> 01:12:59.852
Consumers should be able to control their own
01:12:59.852 --> 01:13:03.750
energy bills and not be penalized for it.
01:13:03.750 --> 01:13:06.320
Rooftop, solar and battery storage projects
01:13:06.320 --> 01:13:09.785
employ over 60,000 people in every community in the state.
01:13:09.785 --> 01:13:14.064
We need to keep these kinds of local clean energy growing,
01:13:14.064 --> 01:13:16.465
not put them out of work.
01:13:16.465 --> 01:13:19.715
If the CPUC cares so much about equity,
01:13:20.652 --> 01:13:24.030
then help more people get solar rather than taking it away
01:13:24.030 --> 01:13:26.597
from the middle and working class.
01:13:26.597 --> 01:13:30.344
Rooftop solar reduces the cost of long distance power lines
01:13:30.344 --> 01:13:33.720
and can save every rate payer $300
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:37.509
a year for the next three years if we keep it growing.
01:13:37.509 --> 01:13:39.917
California can't require that all new homes
01:13:39.917 --> 01:13:43.065
to have solar panels (bell rings) and turn around--
01:13:43.065 --> 01:13:45.696
Thank you, thank you for your comments.
01:13:45.696 --> 01:13:48.930
Operator, next caller please.
01:13:48.930 --> 01:13:51.492
Our next caller is Rennie Wise.
01:13:51.492 --> 01:13:53.718
You may go ahead.
01:13:53.718 --> 01:13:55.366
Morning Commissioners.
01:13:55.366 --> 01:13:57.424
It's been a year since utilities launched
01:13:57.424 --> 01:13:59.829
the attack on rooftop solar with misleading
01:13:59.829 --> 01:14:01.635
net metering guidelines provided
01:14:01.635 --> 01:14:05.134
by the deceptive right wing lobby group, Alec.
01:14:05.134 --> 01:14:06.670
It's been three months since the California
01:14:06.670 --> 01:14:08.155
public utilities for mission submitted
01:14:08.155 --> 01:14:11.074
their own NEM proposal pricing rooftop solar
01:14:11.074 --> 01:14:13.689
out of reach for new adopters.
01:14:13.689 --> 01:14:15.979
It's been six weeks since the Commission decided
01:14:15.979 --> 01:14:18.834
to delay his decision on NEM three changes,
01:14:18.834 --> 01:14:21.875
indefinitely with still no new word.
01:14:21.875 --> 01:14:24.356
And the silence is deafening.
01:14:24.356 --> 01:14:27.031
Despite crushing backlash from the public Governor Newsom
01:14:27.031 --> 01:14:30.266
and the CPUC has still not explained while the state
01:14:30.266 --> 01:14:34.085
would even consider making new rooftop solar unaffordable.
01:14:34.085 --> 01:14:35.962
How can they justify changing the rules
01:14:35.962 --> 01:14:40.035
from 1.3 million of us who've already gone solar?
01:14:40.035 --> 01:14:42.595
Or make solar with batteries more expensive for the elderly
01:14:42.595 --> 01:14:45.734
or disabled while we're mired and rolling blackouts.
01:14:45.734 --> 01:14:48.223
The list of unanswered questions goes on
01:14:48.223 --> 01:14:50.421
and the silence is deafening.
01:14:50.421 --> 01:14:52.411
Come on and Governor Newsom,
01:14:52.411 --> 01:14:54.417
you need you to speak up now.
01:14:54.417 --> 01:14:56.055
We demand more transparency
01:14:56.055 --> 01:14:58.407
in what's going on (bell rings) behind closed doors.
01:14:58.407 --> 01:15:00.301
It's time to end the silence--
Thank you.
01:15:00.301 --> 01:15:01.812
Thank you for your comment.
01:15:01.812 --> 01:15:05.057
Operator, next caller please.
01:15:05.057 --> 01:15:06.780
Our next caller is Rob Holly
01:15:06.780 --> 01:15:08.102
with the solar rights Alliance.
01:15:08.102 --> 01:15:09.846
You may go ahead.
01:15:09.846 --> 01:15:11.819
Hi, this is Rob Holly from San Jose.
01:15:11.819 --> 01:15:13.968
I'm a member of the solar rights line.
01:15:13.968 --> 01:15:15.629
In December you proposed a vicious
01:15:15.629 --> 01:15:18.233
anti-consumer giveaway to the utilities.
01:15:18.233 --> 01:15:20.197
The Governor said changes are needed.
01:15:20.197 --> 01:15:23.414
You owe the public a clear timeline for when.
01:15:23.414 --> 01:15:25.517
You should be willing to say that the solar taxes
01:15:25.517 --> 01:15:27.828
off the table, after all, even your own
01:15:27.828 --> 01:15:30.222
study had trouble justifying it.
01:15:30.222 --> 01:15:32.364
You should be able to say that a future NEM
01:15:32.364 --> 01:15:34.206
will not discriminate against the poor
01:15:34.206 --> 01:15:35.840
as the current one does.
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:37.346
You should be able to reaffirm
01:15:37.346 --> 01:15:39.914
your commitment to existing solar users.
01:15:39.914 --> 01:15:42.225
This is not a banana Republic where the state can promote
01:15:42.225 --> 01:15:45.049
rooftop solar one moment, and then just say,
01:15:45.049 --> 01:15:47.464
or just kidding the next,
01:15:47.464 --> 01:15:49.964
if we cannot rely on the state to keep its commitments,
01:15:49.964 --> 01:15:52.221
what else could be swept away?
01:15:52.221 --> 01:15:53.732
Thank you.
01:15:53.732 --> 01:15:54.972
Thank you.
01:15:54.972 --> 01:15:57.389
Operator, next caller please.
01:16:01.025 --> 01:16:02.778
Our next caller is Dan Sparrow.
01:16:02.778 --> 01:16:03.618
You may go ahead.
01:16:03.618 --> 01:16:05.455
Here I go here. Hello?
01:16:05.455 --> 01:16:07.634
I hear you, can you hear me now?
01:16:07.634 --> 01:16:09.265
Yes, we can.
01:16:09.265 --> 01:16:11.541
I'm speaking for Barbara, George.
01:16:11.541 --> 01:16:14.833
All of us are threatened by wars for oil
01:16:14.833 --> 01:16:18.209
and now greater than ever or nuclear threat.
01:16:18.209 --> 01:16:23.126
It's important SOS, save ourselves, save our solar, no tax.
01:16:24.445 --> 01:16:29.195
We need incentives, we must get affordable solar for all.
01:16:30.831 --> 01:16:33.748
And now that oil's $110 per barrel,
01:16:35.188 --> 01:16:38.855
it's going to be more for affordable energy.
01:16:40.032 --> 01:16:41.449
So please no tax.
01:16:43.689 --> 01:16:46.439
We need upgrades, and incentives.
01:16:48.911 --> 01:16:53.544
Look at it, we're facing possible world war three.
01:16:53.544 --> 01:16:56.044
And if we're renewable energy,
01:16:59.401 --> 01:17:02.068
we're not threatened by nuclear.
01:17:02.941 --> 01:17:07.126
I'm an unemployed electrician and the solar industry
01:17:07.126 --> 01:17:10.543
needs this to work because I'm unemployed
01:17:12.129 --> 01:17:14.482
(bell rings) right now is really important.
01:17:14.482 --> 01:17:15.321
Thank you.
01:17:15.321 --> 01:17:16.994
Thank you very much for your comment.
01:17:16.994 --> 01:17:19.411
Operator, next caller please.
01:17:22.353 --> 01:17:24.099
Our next caller is Wayne Morgan.
01:17:24.099 --> 01:17:25.516
You may go ahead.
01:17:27.669 --> 01:17:29.231
Good morning Commissioners,
01:17:29.231 --> 01:17:32.488
from Ventura with regards to top solar,
01:17:32.488 --> 01:17:34.892
how will the next proposed decision support
01:17:34.892 --> 01:17:37.500
California's clean energy goals?
01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:38.912
Looking at the December PD
01:17:38.912 --> 01:17:41.153
I see many areas that need to be addressed.
01:17:41.153 --> 01:17:44.743
A few of them there shouldn't be a fee based on capacity.
01:17:44.743 --> 01:17:47.963
Also there's a limit on installed capacity.
01:17:47.963 --> 01:17:50.326
What's the rationale for this?
01:17:50.326 --> 01:17:52.439
Both of these factors, disincentive
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:54.518
local electrical production.
01:17:54.518 --> 01:17:56.559
Local is where we need the energy.
01:17:56.559 --> 01:18:00.273
And there are many other benefits to DERs.
01:18:00.273 --> 01:18:03.600
When looking at the avoided cost calculator application
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:07.226
of a discount rate in a climate change context,
01:18:07.226 --> 01:18:09.551
doesn't make sense to me and others.
01:18:09.551 --> 01:18:12.076
I argue that it should be zero percent.
01:18:12.076 --> 01:18:14.951
This shouldn't be...this should be evaluated.
01:18:14.951 --> 01:18:16.715
What is the sensitivity of the output
01:18:16.715 --> 01:18:18.868
of the ACC to the discount rate?
01:18:18.868 --> 01:18:22.180
Please use zero percent in your analysis also.
01:18:22.180 --> 01:18:23.013
Thank you.
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:25.120
Thank you.
01:18:25.120 --> 01:18:27.537
Operator, next caller please.
01:18:29.088 --> 01:18:33.299
Our next caller is Raymond Darislack.
01:18:33.299 --> 01:18:35.362
You may go ahead.
01:18:35.362 --> 01:18:36.195
Yes.
01:18:36.195 --> 01:18:37.342
This is Raymond Darislack.
01:18:37.342 --> 01:18:38.675
I'm from Nevada.
01:18:39.603 --> 01:18:42.603
I'm against a solar tax of any kind.
01:18:43.802 --> 01:18:47.834
CPUC proposal, it's classic bait and switch,
01:18:47.834 --> 01:18:50.659
it's unjust and unethical.
01:18:50.659 --> 01:18:53.473
Honor of the existing 20 year potential
01:18:53.473 --> 01:18:56.182
or protection rather for solar users,
01:18:56.182 --> 01:19:00.540
solar use should be an encouraged, not discouraged.
01:19:00.540 --> 01:19:04.373
Is it time to end the ownership model of PG&E?
01:19:05.706 --> 01:19:09.402
I suggest we changed to a nonprofit cooperative
01:19:09.402 --> 01:19:12.940
where the choice to maintain the systems
01:19:12.940 --> 01:19:16.269
is higher than just paying fines.
01:19:16.269 --> 01:19:17.852
Lives are at stake.
01:19:19.242 --> 01:19:20.727
Thank you.
01:19:20.727 --> 01:19:21.560
Thank you.
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.977
Operator, next caller please.
01:19:24.974 --> 01:19:27.096
Our next caller is Dempsey Nelson.
01:19:27.096 --> 01:19:28.513
You may go ahead.
01:19:29.417 --> 01:19:30.434
Good morning Commissioners.
01:19:30.434 --> 01:19:32.871
My name is Dempsey Nelson from Hermosa beach
01:19:32.871 --> 01:19:35.559
where my wife and I have owned our home for 40 years.
01:19:35.559 --> 01:19:37.187
And we're the first in Hermosa beach,
01:19:37.187 --> 01:19:40.857
and among the first in California to have a photovoltaic
01:19:40.857 --> 01:19:44.000
rooftop solar, we did it in 1999.
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.241
We are Southern California, Edisons NEM customers Number 33.
01:19:48.241 --> 01:19:50.922
We did it because of the million rooftops campaign
01:19:50.922 --> 01:19:52.915
that the then Governor and the state of California
01:19:52.915 --> 01:19:56.115
knew with an invaluable component in achieving clean,
01:19:56.115 --> 01:19:59.704
renewable energy for our state, our nation and the planet.
01:19:59.704 --> 01:20:01.907
We have to ensure that rooftops solar
01:20:01.907 --> 01:20:04.032
becomes more affordable for working
01:20:04.032 --> 01:20:06.845
in middle class people, not less.
01:20:06.845 --> 01:20:10.200
No solar tax of any kind more incentives for homeowners
01:20:10.200 --> 01:20:12.867
to invest in rooftop solar, not less.
01:20:12.867 --> 01:20:15.303
All of this, not just for the homeowners
01:20:15.303 --> 01:20:17.540
who rooftops provide a big part
01:20:17.540 --> 01:20:19.103
of the clean energy solution,
01:20:19.103 --> 01:20:22.443
but for the safe local neighborhood jobs
01:20:22.443 --> 01:20:24.686
for the thousands of rooftop workers
01:20:24.686 --> 01:20:26.400
who are currently working for hundreds
01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:28.609
of local rooftop solar companies
01:20:28.609 --> 01:20:30.448
that have sprung up in the over 20 years
01:20:30.448 --> 01:20:32.083
since that call for (bell rings)
01:20:32.083 --> 01:20:33.722
a million rooftop was initiated.
01:20:33.722 --> 01:20:34.555
Thank you.
Thank you.
01:20:34.555 --> 01:20:36.183
Thank you for your comment.
01:20:36.183 --> 01:20:38.600
Operator, next caller please.
01:20:39.886 --> 01:20:42.516
Our next caller is Debbie Cal.
01:20:42.516 --> 01:20:44.304
You may go ahead.
01:20:44.304 --> 01:20:47.596
Hi, this is Debbie and we live in Sonoma county.
01:20:47.596 --> 01:20:51.741
I'm retired, I have three generations in one home.
01:20:51.741 --> 01:20:54.697
It has taken me years, but if you hear any noises
01:20:54.697 --> 01:20:55.939
in the background, it's because
01:20:55.939 --> 01:20:59.825
they're currently installing solar on our home.
01:20:59.825 --> 01:21:03.158
I want to beg the CPUC members to reject
01:21:05.117 --> 01:21:08.200
these tariffs and changes in the NEM.
01:21:09.442 --> 01:21:13.789
Our a electric bill used to be over two years ago,
01:21:13.789 --> 01:21:18.206
less than $200 a month, now it's over $300 a month.
01:21:18.206 --> 01:21:22.706
The private equity, gray star Blackstone and lone star
01:21:23.703 --> 01:21:26.473
in 2011 owned one third of all apartments.
01:21:26.473 --> 01:21:31.120
Now they own in 2021, one half of all apartment.
01:21:31.120 --> 01:21:33.775
It's them, the private equity companies
01:21:33.775 --> 01:21:38.288
that are taking over renters, have them pay for solar.
01:21:38.288 --> 01:21:42.621
Another suggestion is instead of burying the cables,
01:21:44.063 --> 01:21:47.178
the grid, I think you should create microgrids.
01:21:47.178 --> 01:21:49.210
I think that's the way to go for the future
01:21:49.210 --> 01:21:51.370
(bell rings) of which you should--
01:21:51.370 --> 01:21:53.079
Thank you.
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:55.496
Operator, next caller please.
01:21:58.258 --> 01:22:00.237
Our next caller is Ellis Clemens.
01:22:00.237 --> 01:22:02.318
You may go ahead.
01:22:02.318 --> 01:22:03.658
Hi, excuse me.
01:22:03.658 --> 01:22:05.426
My name is Ellis Clemens.
01:22:05.426 --> 01:22:07.203
I'm a working class stiff.
01:22:07.203 --> 01:22:09.319
I work from paycheck to paycheck.
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:12.902
2017 I took out a $32,000 loan to place solar
01:22:12.902 --> 01:22:15.960
on my roof to help with the environment
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.614
along with getting out from underneath
01:22:18.614 --> 01:22:21.354
Pacific gas and electric thumb.
01:22:21.354 --> 01:22:25.470
I think it's a burden and overreach to change
01:22:25.470 --> 01:22:29.109
the rules on the hookup speed of the grid.
01:22:29.109 --> 01:22:32.195
I'd like to talk about the steps PG&E can take
01:22:32.195 --> 01:22:35.035
to save money internally as a corporation.
01:22:35.035 --> 01:22:38.450
I drive a nice 1992 GMC Sierra pickup.
01:22:38.450 --> 01:22:40.813
If I could afford something different,
01:22:40.813 --> 01:22:43.432
I would electric preferred.
01:22:43.432 --> 01:22:46.446
However, if you look at PG&E's equipment,
01:22:46.446 --> 01:22:50.196
all of it is new, probably replaced annually.
01:22:51.378 --> 01:22:54.018
What happened is using the same equipment
01:22:54.018 --> 01:22:55.647
for five or 10 years?
01:22:55.647 --> 01:22:59.980
PG&E has had decades to upgrade the electric system.
01:23:00.983 --> 01:23:04.580
PG&E has put profits and shareholders
01:23:04.580 --> 01:23:08.124
over customers (bell rings) and safety.
01:23:08.124 --> 01:23:09.883
Thank you very much.
01:23:09.883 --> 01:23:12.300
Operator, next caller please.
01:23:13.273 --> 01:23:15.030
Our next caller is David Hoyer.
01:23:15.030 --> 01:23:16.447
You may go ahead.
01:23:18.089 --> 01:23:19.389
Name is David Hoyer,
01:23:19.389 --> 01:23:22.177
Lynn city of Lincoln in Placer county.
01:23:22.177 --> 01:23:23.927
Saying no to NEM 3.0.
01:23:25.534 --> 01:23:27.859
I send an email with all my electrical
01:23:27.859 --> 01:23:31.192
and money calculations on February 24th.
01:23:32.541 --> 01:23:35.492
I would like to say that with the calculations
01:23:35.492 --> 01:23:39.923
that the utility companies have come up with,
01:23:39.923 --> 01:23:42.821
the breakeven point will never be reached
01:23:42.821 --> 01:23:45.100
because due to the fact that solar energy
01:23:45.100 --> 01:23:47.829
is only put out maximum at a certain time of day,
01:23:47.829 --> 01:23:50.569
at certain months of the year,
01:23:50.569 --> 01:23:53.113
based on those calculations every month
01:23:53.113 --> 01:23:55.505
for every kilowatt will be at a loss.
01:23:55.505 --> 01:23:57.321
So all of the profit will be realized
01:23:57.321 --> 01:23:59.547
by the utility companies.
01:23:59.547 --> 01:24:02.204
If that sets the case, why aren't the utility companies
01:24:02.204 --> 01:24:06.462
paying to put solar on the roofs, just as,
01:24:06.462 --> 01:24:07.931
and they could sell it back to the people the same way
01:24:07.931 --> 01:24:11.415
they do from other generation facilities.
01:24:11.415 --> 01:24:12.510
They can maintain it,
01:24:12.510 --> 01:24:13.982
they can provide the cost,
01:24:13.982 --> 01:24:16.154
they can update it.
01:24:16.154 --> 01:24:20.486
If they are only gonna be able to make the profits on it.
01:24:20.486 --> 01:24:22.761
I'd also like to see that if bond
01:24:22.761 --> 01:24:25.561
(bell rings) money was given.
01:24:25.561 --> 01:24:26.394
Thank you
Thank you.
01:24:26.394 --> 01:24:27.227
Thank you for your comment.
01:24:27.227 --> 01:24:29.644
Operator, next caller please.
01:24:32.790 --> 01:24:34.824
Our next caller is Sally Morgan Gannon.
01:24:34.824 --> 01:24:36.295
You may go ahead.
01:24:36.295 --> 01:24:38.210
Thank you Commissioners
01:24:38.210 --> 01:24:41.815
for your objective and neutral service on CPUC.
01:24:41.815 --> 01:24:44.542
I'm a retired homeowner in San Diego.
01:24:44.542 --> 01:24:47.147
My husband and I worked and saved to install solar
01:24:47.147 --> 01:24:51.117
on our home, which California encouraged and incentivized.
01:24:51.117 --> 01:24:53.768
And they're now pushing electric cars
01:24:53.768 --> 01:24:56.455
and electric appliances, all more ways to address
01:24:56.455 --> 01:24:59.626
climate change and provide clean energy jobs.
01:24:59.626 --> 01:25:02.870
And that's why we went solar.
01:25:02.870 --> 01:25:05.835
Solar should not be taxed and the utilities must honor
01:25:05.835 --> 01:25:08.688
their 20 year protection for solar users
01:25:08.688 --> 01:25:11.095
and keep net metering the way it is.
01:25:11.095 --> 01:25:13.632
Don't let this agreement be reversed.
01:25:13.632 --> 01:25:16.036
The utilities are powerful monopolies
01:25:16.036 --> 01:25:18.316
responsible to their stockholders.
01:25:18.316 --> 01:25:22.873
They need your guidance to reinvent their business models,
01:25:22.873 --> 01:25:26.217
working with not against solar owners.
01:25:26.217 --> 01:25:29.873
It's just wrong for them to think about changing
01:25:29.873 --> 01:25:31.944
the agreement that's been in place.
01:25:31.944 --> 01:25:34.490
Please support rooftop solar and solar batteries,
01:25:34.490 --> 01:25:37.104
and please be transparent to the public.
01:25:37.104 --> 01:25:38.607
Thank you.
01:25:38.607 --> 01:25:39.501
Thank you.
01:25:39.501 --> 01:25:41.918
Operator, next caller please.
01:25:42.961 --> 01:25:45.281
Our next caller is Rose Ann Whit.
01:25:45.281 --> 01:25:47.237
You may go ahead.
01:25:47.237 --> 01:25:51.755
Expand rooftop solar, not SoCalGas.
01:25:51.755 --> 01:25:55.557
My name is Rose Ann Whit with the can climate coalition.
01:25:55.557 --> 01:26:00.557
I urge CPUC to require an in an environmental impact report
01:26:01.059 --> 01:26:04.797
for SoCalGases, Ventura compressor expansion,
01:26:04.797 --> 01:26:08.482
and abide by Ventura county board of supervisors call
01:26:08.482 --> 01:26:10.625
for a neighborhood compatibility
01:26:10.625 --> 01:26:14.173
and comprehensive health needs assessment.
01:26:14.173 --> 01:26:18.101
Utility has repeatedly acted in bad faith and continues
01:26:18.101 --> 01:26:21.859
to disrespect and ignore residents health and safety.
01:26:21.859 --> 01:26:26.826
It not be trusted to give an unbiased alternatives analysis.
01:26:26.826 --> 01:26:30.438
Expanding fossil fuels during a climate emergency
01:26:30.438 --> 01:26:33.693
is an affront to all Californians facing
01:26:33.693 --> 01:26:38.187
historic mega drought, extreme heat and wildfire threats.
01:26:38.187 --> 01:26:43.187
Please expedite closing all methane gas infrastructure,
01:26:43.311 --> 01:26:46.776
the Ventura compressor station, Ali canyon,
01:26:46.776 --> 01:26:50.756
and PO Del Delray gas storage facility.
01:26:50.756 --> 01:26:51.589
Thank you.
01:26:51.589 --> 01:26:52.422
(bell rings)
01:26:52.422 --> 01:26:53.279
Thank you.
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:55.696
Operator, next caller please.
01:26:57.444 --> 01:26:59.481
Our next caller is Art Pinette.
01:26:59.481 --> 01:27:00.898
You may go ahead.
01:27:02.306 --> 01:27:03.438
It's Art Pinette
01:27:03.438 --> 01:27:06.370
city of Lakewood solar rights Alliance.
01:27:06.370 --> 01:27:08.776
As a tired middle class construction worker,
01:27:08.776 --> 01:27:10.940
we deliberated on getting solar
01:27:10.940 --> 01:27:13.550
to save money, not lose money,
01:27:13.550 --> 01:27:15.665
helping to save the environment for our children
01:27:15.665 --> 01:27:18.476
and grandchildren was important to us.
01:27:18.476 --> 01:27:21.322
Climate change was becoming more and more evident.
01:27:21.322 --> 01:27:23.607
Five years ago, we added solar.
01:27:23.607 --> 01:27:25.606
It was expensive for us.
01:27:25.606 --> 01:27:29.432
We couldn't afford it if not for the incentives rebate.
01:27:29.432 --> 01:27:34.158
Because of the bottom line that the NEM one system
01:27:34.158 --> 01:27:35.724
would pay for itself in eight years
01:27:35.724 --> 01:27:40.020
was the biggest factor for our decision to go solar.
01:27:40.020 --> 01:27:42.020
Savings from our electric bill helped us afford
01:27:42.020 --> 01:27:45.684
a used plugin hybrid, which now saves on gas big time.
01:27:45.684 --> 01:27:47.934
It doesn't pollute to boot.
01:27:48.887 --> 01:27:52.469
If you vote this rule with a monthly fees,
01:27:52.469 --> 01:27:57.023
plus the cut on our excess energy to the grid by 80%,
01:27:57.023 --> 01:27:59.389
I will consider going off the grid
01:27:59.389 --> 01:28:02.222
and turning off Edison altogether.
01:28:03.195 --> 01:28:05.469
I don't want to have to go this route.
01:28:05.469 --> 01:28:08.650
(bell rings) if NEM three is passed, I'll certainly
01:28:08.650 --> 01:28:12.390
scare off solar investors and loose thousands of solar.
01:28:12.390 --> 01:28:13.223
Thank you.
01:28:13.223 --> 01:28:15.915
Operator, next caller please.
01:28:15.915 --> 01:28:17.246
Our next caller is Seth Devey
01:28:17.246 --> 01:28:18.464
with green day power.
01:28:18.464 --> 01:28:19.881
You may go ahead.
01:28:26.214 --> 01:28:28.056
Again, Seth Devey, your line is open.
01:28:28.056 --> 01:28:28.957
We're not able to hear you.
01:28:28.957 --> 01:28:31.450
Please check your mute button.
01:28:31.450 --> 01:28:32.715
Hey, this is Seth Devey.
01:28:32.715 --> 01:28:34.876
I'm the owner of Green Day Power
01:28:34.876 --> 01:28:39.069
and with all the kinda nonsense with NEM 3.0,
01:28:39.069 --> 01:28:41.615
it's made it very difficult as a business
01:28:41.615 --> 01:28:44.471
to plan for our future, we have 150 employees.
01:28:44.471 --> 01:28:47.645
We're trying to decide one, if they're gonna have jobs,
01:28:47.645 --> 01:28:49.110
if we need to as we're growing,
01:28:49.110 --> 01:28:52.086
we're trying to buy trucks and make business decisions
01:28:52.086 --> 01:28:56.406
and this pause and wait, and all this drama
01:28:56.406 --> 01:28:57.828
is just making it very difficult.
01:28:57.828 --> 01:29:00.181
We want to reject the NEM 3.0,
01:29:00.181 --> 01:29:03.514
we want to have people have their choice
01:29:04.858 --> 01:29:08.775
to go solar and also keep jobs strong and solid
01:29:09.995 --> 01:29:11.628
in California for the solar market.
01:29:11.628 --> 01:29:16.178
And so we oppose it and we want a full rejection
01:29:16.178 --> 01:29:17.557
of the proposal so we can move our businesses
01:29:17.557 --> 01:29:19.163
forward and plan for the future.
01:29:19.163 --> 01:29:20.497
Thanks.
01:29:20.497 --> 01:29:21.379
Thank you.
01:29:21.379 --> 01:29:24.576
Operator, next caller please.
01:29:24.576 --> 01:29:26.266
Our next caller is Isaac Lieberman.
01:29:26.266 --> 01:29:27.683
You may go ahead.
01:29:30.296 --> 01:29:32.496
Hello, can you hear me?
01:29:32.496 --> 01:29:34.284
Yes, you can.
01:29:34.284 --> 01:29:35.117
Okay.
01:29:35.117 --> 01:29:38.075
My name is Isaac Lieberman, RN in Valencia.
01:29:38.075 --> 01:29:40.757
Super comodity graduate of UCLA elected member
01:29:40.757 --> 01:29:43.288
of the county and state democratic party.
01:29:43.288 --> 01:29:47.730
I support rooftop solar to paraphrase Kennedy,
01:29:47.730 --> 01:29:50.034
"Don't see the world as it is and say why,
01:29:50.034 --> 01:29:54.524
but let us see the world as it should be and say, why not?"
01:29:54.524 --> 01:29:58.619
I oppose violence of all kinds except in self defense.
01:29:58.619 --> 01:30:01.810
I oppose any violence retaliatory acts
01:30:01.810 --> 01:30:05.013
against executives at company or utility.
01:30:05.013 --> 01:30:07.722
However, I encourage prosecution and imprisonment
01:30:07.722 --> 01:30:12.349
of every executive from the corrupt monopoly, PG&E, ALEC,
01:30:12.349 --> 01:30:15.131
and other organizations who in anywhere responsible
01:30:15.131 --> 01:30:18.722
for involved with the fraudulent and vicious attacks
01:30:18.722 --> 01:30:23.406
on working class Californians and our children's futures
01:30:23.406 --> 01:30:26.099
through these stop seeing lies against rooftop
01:30:26.099 --> 01:30:29.007
solar energy, they can switch turning around
01:30:29.007 --> 01:30:30.895
taxing solar panels after they appropriately
01:30:30.895 --> 01:30:32.970
acquired on new homes, break fraudulent
01:30:32.970 --> 01:30:34.569
propaganda campaign, all utilities to public ownership--
01:30:34.569 --> 01:30:36.968
(bell ringing)
01:30:36.968 --> 01:30:38.275
Thank you.
Thank you.
01:30:38.275 --> 01:30:40.159
Thank you very much for your comment.
01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:42.576
Operator, next caller please.
01:30:45.608 --> 01:30:47.733
Our next caller is Mike Payne.
01:30:47.733 --> 01:30:49.150
You may go ahead.
01:30:50.137 --> 01:30:51.229
Hello Commissioners.
01:30:51.229 --> 01:30:52.814
Thank you for taking my call.
01:30:52.814 --> 01:30:55.219
My name is Mike Payne and I am a solar and energy
01:30:55.219 --> 01:30:59.083
storage customer and a solar and storage business owner.
01:30:59.083 --> 01:31:01.414
I've been in the industry for 19 years and my company
01:31:01.414 --> 01:31:05.101
Synergy Solar based in Seba Pool has seven employees.
01:31:05.101 --> 01:31:08.319
The NEM three proposal would not only contradict California
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:11.901
climate goals, but could also put us out of business.
01:31:11.901 --> 01:31:15.489
I urge you to create a glide path for any changes
01:31:15.489 --> 01:31:18.629
and not make the changes effective overnight.
01:31:18.629 --> 01:31:21.363
A glide path will help meet the CPUC goals
01:31:21.363 --> 01:31:23.757
and protect the solar industry.
01:31:23.757 --> 01:31:26.087
I also urge you to remove the fixed fees,
01:31:26.087 --> 01:31:29.206
which hurt both solar and energy storage.
01:31:29.206 --> 01:31:30.039
Thank you.
01:31:30.886 --> 01:31:31.719
Thank you.
01:31:31.719 --> 01:31:34.750
Operator, next caller please.
01:31:34.750 --> 01:31:36.860
Our next caller is Jean King.
01:31:36.860 --> 01:31:38.277
You may go ahead.
01:31:40.504 --> 01:31:41.337
Hello.
01:31:41.337 --> 01:31:42.289
This is Jean King.
01:31:42.289 --> 01:31:44.263
I live in Lemoore, California.
01:31:44.263 --> 01:31:47.180
I am a proud owner of solar panels.
01:31:48.930 --> 01:31:51.744
I have solar on my house since 2006
01:31:51.744 --> 01:31:55.944
(indistinct) no additional costs at true up for 15 years.
01:31:55.944 --> 01:31:57.675
I recently installed a heat pump
01:31:57.675 --> 01:32:00.112
for use for heating instead of gas.
01:32:00.112 --> 01:32:02.653
I will be adding additional solar to provide
01:32:02.653 --> 01:32:05.173
the power needed for that heat pump.
01:32:05.173 --> 01:32:07.357
Please fix the solar controversy.
01:32:07.357 --> 01:32:10.936
I oppose the proposed change in net metering.
01:32:10.936 --> 01:32:14.243
The need for more solar is increasing with the invasion
01:32:14.243 --> 01:32:18.400
of Ukraine and the restrictions on Russia and its gas.
01:32:18.400 --> 01:32:21.577
Distributed solar is best and fastest way
01:32:21.577 --> 01:32:24.500
to reduce the dependency on fossil fuel.
01:32:24.500 --> 01:32:28.212
The 20 year protection plan must be retained.
01:32:28.212 --> 01:32:31.071
Rooftop solar reduces the cost of long distance
01:32:31.071 --> 01:32:34.223
power lines and can save all rate payers
01:32:34.223 --> 01:32:37.726
$300 a year for the next 30 years.
01:32:37.726 --> 01:32:41.111
Rooftop solar also saves for my end for agriculture
01:32:41.111 --> 01:32:44.044
and open space to meet our 30% goal
01:32:44.044 --> 01:32:45.948
(bell rings) to present our environment.
01:32:45.948 --> 01:32:47.452
Thank you.
Thank you.
01:32:47.452 --> 01:32:48.515
Thank you for your comment.
01:32:48.515 --> 01:32:50.932
Operator, next caller please.
01:32:54.810 --> 01:32:58.349
Our next caller is Pete Mecna.
01:32:58.349 --> 01:32:59.903
You may go ahead.
01:32:59.903 --> 01:33:00.736
Thank you.
01:33:00.736 --> 01:33:04.061
(chuckles) I had a laugh at some of these things.
01:33:04.061 --> 01:33:06.855
Thank you Commissioner for listening.
01:33:06.855 --> 01:33:08.545
I have... I'm a homeowner.
01:33:08.545 --> 01:33:10.212
I'm retired, I'm 78.
01:33:11.128 --> 01:33:14.992
We have panels and power walls and we witness
01:33:14.992 --> 01:33:16.992
put in power walls, I mean panels,
01:33:16.992 --> 01:33:19.481
unless we had power walls storage.
01:33:19.481 --> 01:33:23.186
The purpose was to run our house night
01:33:23.186 --> 01:33:27.335
and during power failures, reduce electrical charges
01:33:27.335 --> 01:33:29.918
and charge electrical vehicles.
01:33:31.293 --> 01:33:34.664
The first question that our neighbors have asked us
01:33:34.664 --> 01:33:36.963
is what's our return on investment?
01:33:36.963 --> 01:33:39.304
How long is it gonna take to pay off?
01:33:39.304 --> 01:33:44.276
And so fees, my feeling will have negative impact.
01:33:44.276 --> 01:33:46.628
The incentives that have been provided
01:33:46.628 --> 01:33:50.350
for us to put the solar panels on have helped
01:33:50.350 --> 01:33:53.600
greatly and our system is pretty large.
01:33:57.669 --> 01:34:02.002
Yesterday we put in 22.9 kilowat hours onto the grid
01:34:03.265 --> 01:34:06.182
while utilizing 30.8 kilowat hours.
01:34:07.171 --> 01:34:09.429
That was (bell rings)
01:34:09.429 --> 01:34:10.605
Thank you.
Thank you.
01:34:10.605 --> 01:34:12.200
Thank you for your comment.
01:34:12.200 --> 01:34:14.950
Operator your next caller please.
01:34:16.642 --> 01:34:18.448
Our next caller is Sue Saunders.
01:34:18.448 --> 01:34:20.653
You may go ahead.
01:34:20.653 --> 01:34:22.417
Hi, my name is Sue Saunders
01:34:22.417 --> 01:34:25.105
and I went from Indivisible Ross Valley
01:34:25.105 --> 01:34:27.210
and the cross shift argument to justify
01:34:27.210 --> 01:34:30.104
NEM three proposal is a lie
01:34:30.104 --> 01:34:32.803
and no solar taxes warranted.
01:34:32.803 --> 01:34:36.121
Rooftop solar is saving all rate payers money
01:34:36.121 --> 01:34:37.601
because it reduces the need
01:34:37.601 --> 01:34:39.795
for long distance transmission lines.
01:34:39.795 --> 01:34:41.599
Your own research shows that the long
01:34:41.599 --> 01:34:43.579
distance power lines are causing rates
01:34:43.579 --> 01:34:46.711
to go up yet, you still blame rooftop solar.
01:34:46.711 --> 01:34:49.012
Solar users do pay their share of the grid
01:34:49.012 --> 01:34:53.762
with a minimum bill and deductions to their solar credit.
01:34:56.100 --> 01:34:57.444
In the words of Loretta Lynch,
01:34:57.444 --> 01:35:00.037
the former CPUC Commissioner and president,
01:35:00.037 --> 01:35:02.516
California utilities make money in large part
01:35:02.516 --> 01:35:05.214
by receiving a profit on their assets.
01:35:05.214 --> 01:35:07.282
The Commission sets the percentages of profits
01:35:07.282 --> 01:35:09.687
that consumers are required to pay.
01:35:09.687 --> 01:35:12.921
A utility can increase its profit by building more assets,
01:35:12.921 --> 01:35:15.147
including power lines and other equipment.
01:35:15.147 --> 01:35:17.348
If they kill rooftop solar then they need
01:35:17.348 --> 01:35:20.172
more transmission lines and they profit even more.
01:35:20.172 --> 01:35:23.223
By blaming sky high energy bills on solar owners,
01:35:23.223 --> 01:35:25.285
(bell rings) utilities and regulators turn attention
01:35:25.285 --> 01:35:26.118
away from their many (indistinct) to high rates.
01:35:26.118 --> 01:35:26.951
Thank you.
01:35:26.951 --> 01:35:29.693
Thank you very much for your comment.
01:35:29.693 --> 01:35:30.526
Thank you.
01:35:30.526 --> 01:35:33.147
Operator, next caller please.
01:35:33.147 --> 01:35:35.078
Our next caller is Tony Swan.
01:35:35.078 --> 01:35:36.495
You may go ahead.
01:35:37.599 --> 01:35:38.774
Hi, I'm Tony Swan,
01:35:38.774 --> 01:35:42.513
am 64 years old and live in Santa Cruz, California.
01:35:42.513 --> 01:35:46.565
I worked in the solar industry in the 1970s and 80's,
01:35:46.565 --> 01:35:50.489
and then now a solar home owner, which feels great.
01:35:50.489 --> 01:35:53.387
The current generation of solar industry workers
01:35:53.387 --> 01:35:56.026
is a huge plus to the California economy
01:35:56.026 --> 01:35:58.836
meeting the energy needs of California.
01:35:58.836 --> 01:36:02.465
Also, I live in a rural area with high fire risk.
01:36:02.465 --> 01:36:06.254
We need more solar and batteries to build more resilience
01:36:06.254 --> 01:36:09.601
in communities at risk of wildfires.
01:36:09.601 --> 01:36:12.037
California has a proud history of leading
01:36:12.037 --> 01:36:14.484
on sustainable energy policies.
01:36:14.484 --> 01:36:17.624
It's outrageous to see the utility companies attempt
01:36:17.624 --> 01:36:22.019
to reverse this and literally kill the solar industry.
01:36:22.019 --> 01:36:24.585
Utilities have campaigned to make rooftop solar
01:36:24.585 --> 01:36:28.594
unaffordable, and break promises to those
01:36:28.594 --> 01:36:31.618
who've already made investments in rooftop solar.
01:36:31.618 --> 01:36:33.122
That's unacceptable.
01:36:33.122 --> 01:36:36.501
The CPUC is here to regulate the utilities,
01:36:36.501 --> 01:36:39.519
not to approve their outrageous requests
01:36:39.519 --> 01:36:42.249
to (bell rings) those serve our fossil fuel to produce--
01:36:42.249 --> 01:36:43.186
Thank you.
01:36:43.186 --> 01:36:44.329
Thank you for your comment.
01:36:44.329 --> 01:36:48.246
Operator, next caller please.
Thank you
01:36:49.912 --> 01:36:51.855
Our next caller is Deborah Hanky.
01:36:51.855 --> 01:36:52.688
You may go ahead.
01:36:52.688 --> 01:36:55.688
(indistinct sounds)
01:36:59.203 --> 01:37:00.721
Sorry, I couldn't find my phone.
01:37:00.721 --> 01:37:01.554
(chuckling)
01:37:01.554 --> 01:37:04.538
I'm Deborah Hanky from the Bonny Doon in Santa Cruz county.
01:37:04.538 --> 01:37:06.628
I'm a single mom who raised four children
01:37:06.628 --> 01:37:10.365
and at 75, a retired home health nurse.
01:37:10.365 --> 01:37:12.367
I said over several years,
01:37:12.367 --> 01:37:15.049
so I could install solar panels
01:37:15.049 --> 01:37:17.564
because of high energy bills.
01:37:17.564 --> 01:37:20.645
You hold the key to the future.
01:37:20.645 --> 01:37:23.585
It's time for the utilities to adapt.
01:37:23.585 --> 01:37:26.411
They aren't the grand investment of the future.
01:37:26.411 --> 01:37:30.254
You must stop the greed grab it's time to be publicly owned.
01:37:30.254 --> 01:37:34.338
It's time for utilities to plan for solar, not to stop it.
01:37:34.338 --> 01:37:36.806
PG&E has generated multiple rate hikes
01:37:36.806 --> 01:37:39.473
37% from the PUC since 2019
01:37:40.753 --> 01:37:42.999
when they went into bankruptcy.
01:37:42.999 --> 01:37:45.856
Nor should I have pay for the 201 million dollar
01:37:45.856 --> 01:37:50.856
profit margin they asked for, and you granted in 2021
01:37:51.011 --> 01:37:54.088
to pay board members and to help raise stock prices
01:37:54.088 --> 01:37:56.408
of which the board members also get.
01:37:56.408 --> 01:37:59.317
NEM three seems to be really about paying for the past
01:37:59.317 --> 01:38:00.585
non-maintenance (bell rings)
01:38:00.585 --> 01:38:04.776
and an attitude and the inability to adapt to reality.
01:38:04.776 --> 01:38:06.298
Thank you.
Operator.
01:38:06.298 --> 01:38:07.131
Thank you.
01:38:07.131 --> 01:38:09.679
Operator, next caller please.
01:38:09.679 --> 01:38:11.527
Our next caller is Dave Shukla.
01:38:11.527 --> 01:38:12.944
You may go ahead.
01:38:19.875 --> 01:38:21.681
Again, Dave Shukla your line is open.
01:38:21.681 --> 01:38:22.732
We're not able to hear you.
01:38:22.732 --> 01:38:24.765
Please check your mute button.
01:38:24.765 --> 01:38:26.409
Hello, CPUC Commissioners,
01:38:26.409 --> 01:38:28.415
Dave Shukla from long beach California.
01:38:28.415 --> 01:38:30.488
One, the NEM three process needs
01:38:30.488 --> 01:38:33.372
clear transparency and timelines.
01:38:33.372 --> 01:38:35.475
Two, I wanna see NEM four rules
01:38:35.475 --> 01:38:37.880
that hold polluters responsible.
01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:41.428
Three, Edison is a polluting company.
01:38:41.428 --> 01:38:43.445
Four, Edison is an entity.
01:38:43.445 --> 01:38:46.395
The CPUC is required to regulate in the public interest,
01:38:46.395 --> 01:38:49.283
just like Carb with the refinery rule.
01:38:49.283 --> 01:38:54.283
Five, the avoided cost calculators in evident embarrassment.
01:38:54.679 --> 01:38:58.229
Six, lithium battery needs to be a state monopoly,
01:38:58.229 --> 01:39:01.606
not wasted on centralized private plants.
01:39:01.606 --> 01:39:04.729
Seven, everyone in California has the right to solar
01:39:04.729 --> 01:39:09.165
and frankly, to every dime of Edison's profits
01:39:09.165 --> 01:39:13.346
from climate forcing activities to pay for it.
01:39:13.346 --> 01:39:16.946
Eight, any tax on behalf of Edison violates my rights
01:39:16.946 --> 01:39:19.223
and my family's rights under PURPA.
01:39:19.223 --> 01:39:22.151
California ain't Alabama yo.
01:39:22.151 --> 01:39:24.555
Nine, Finally present Reynolds,
01:39:24.555 --> 01:39:26.409
I encourage you ma'am to look up the story
01:39:26.409 --> 01:39:29.905
of David Cash Jr and Jeremy Steyer (bell rings)
01:39:29.905 --> 01:39:32.047
who exactly is Edison building the re privatized
01:39:32.047 --> 01:39:33.800
infrastructure form men.
01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:35.466
Thank you.
Thank you for your comment.
01:39:35.466 --> 01:39:36.299
Thank you.
01:39:36.299 --> 01:39:38.974
Operator, next caller please.
01:39:38.974 --> 01:39:42.418
Our next caller is Homer Cathne.
01:39:42.418 --> 01:39:44.539
You may go ahead.
01:39:44.539 --> 01:39:45.372
Yeah.
01:39:45.372 --> 01:39:47.978
Hi, good morning Commissioners.
01:39:47.978 --> 01:39:51.728
The utilities monopoly and for mismanagement,
01:39:53.831 --> 01:39:57.638
the mismanagement they did and all that, they're going
01:39:57.638 --> 01:40:00.971
after money from solar homeowner instead
01:40:02.777 --> 01:40:06.081
of going restructuring and looking internally
01:40:06.081 --> 01:40:08.581
and looking at their investors
01:40:10.931 --> 01:40:13.219
and getting the money from there.
01:40:13.219 --> 01:40:17.863
Now you guys gonna kill a whole industry in California,
01:40:17.863 --> 01:40:20.530
thriving industry in California.
01:40:22.503 --> 01:40:26.420
An industry that is gonna save the environment,
01:40:27.300 --> 01:40:30.652
it's gonna fight to global warming, all that stuff.
01:40:30.652 --> 01:40:34.014
Now, all that is not gonna go unnoticed.
01:40:34.014 --> 01:40:37.971
And Governor Newsom term is up for election this year,
01:40:37.971 --> 01:40:40.304
and is gonna be problematic.
01:40:42.275 --> 01:40:47.116
And he, at some point, somebody's gonna put the finger like,
01:40:47.116 --> 01:40:51.348
Hey, who's (bell rings) doing all this.
01:40:51.348 --> 01:40:52.181
Thank you.
01:40:52.181 --> 01:40:53.014
Thank you for your comment.
01:40:53.014 --> 01:40:55.431
Operator. next caller please.
01:40:57.668 --> 01:40:59.390
Our next caller is Eric Height.
01:40:59.390 --> 01:41:00.807
You may go ahead.
01:41:03.403 --> 01:41:04.240
Thank you.
01:41:04.240 --> 01:41:07.464
My name is Eric, I live in Santa Clara county.
01:41:07.464 --> 01:41:09.480
Rooftop solar is a huge investment,
01:41:09.480 --> 01:41:12.641
mostly by homeowners and our shared energy grid.
01:41:12.641 --> 01:41:15.581
Rooftop solar offsets grid costs elsewhere
01:41:15.581 --> 01:41:17.859
benefiting the utilities and others.
01:41:17.859 --> 01:41:21.030
Rooftop solar needs to be encouraged, not deterred.
01:41:21.030 --> 01:41:23.324
Rooftop solar needs to become more affordable,
01:41:23.324 --> 01:41:25.193
not more expensive.
01:41:25.193 --> 01:41:28.847
I understand if the cost of grid access needs to be raised,
01:41:28.847 --> 01:41:31.730
but it must be done uniformly for all
01:41:31.730 --> 01:41:33.923
rather than picking on rooftop solar.
01:41:33.923 --> 01:41:35.548
Thank you for listening.
01:41:35.548 --> 01:41:36.609
Thank you.
01:41:36.609 --> 01:41:39.026
Operator, next caller please.
01:41:44.575 --> 01:41:46.571
Our next caller is Glen Calwell.
01:41:46.571 --> 01:41:47.988
You may go ahead.
01:41:50.643 --> 01:41:52.027
My name is Glenn Calwell.
01:41:52.027 --> 01:41:53.188
I'm a retired homeowner in a fixed
01:41:53.188 --> 01:41:55.215
income in Arcata, California.
01:41:55.215 --> 01:41:56.048
I am middle class.
01:41:56.048 --> 01:41:57.977
I've invested in rooftop solar with net metering
01:41:57.977 --> 01:42:00.077
on every house I've lived in to get control
01:42:00.077 --> 01:42:01.871
of my utility bills while my neighbors
01:42:01.871 --> 01:42:04.297
pay $300 to $400 per month per power,
01:42:04.297 --> 01:42:06.482
and can't afford groceries.
01:42:06.482 --> 01:42:09.830
If the solar tax passes you'll be hurting people like me,
01:42:09.830 --> 01:42:11.227
the only way to fix this proposal
01:42:11.227 --> 01:42:12.906
is no solar tax at any kind,
01:42:12.906 --> 01:42:14.840
make solar more affordable for middle
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:17.098
class households, not less affordable.
01:42:17.098 --> 01:42:18.857
Honor the promised 20 year protection
01:42:18.857 --> 01:42:20.653
for solar user like me.
01:42:20.653 --> 01:42:23.136
Consumers should be able to control their energy bills.
01:42:23.136 --> 01:42:25.262
Rooftop solar saves all users money,
01:42:25.262 --> 01:42:26.365
whether they have solar or not
01:42:26.365 --> 01:42:28.242
by reducing wear and hair on long distance,
01:42:28.242 --> 01:42:31.222
power lines we produce and share locally.
01:42:31.222 --> 01:42:33.423
Decentralized rooftop solar and battery storage
01:42:33.423 --> 01:42:34.892
is the best way for people like me
01:42:34.892 --> 01:42:37.056
to protect themselves from power outages.
01:42:37.056 --> 01:42:38.601
Climate change is happening now,
01:42:38.601 --> 01:42:41.210
why would you nickel and dime roof rooftop solar
01:42:41.210 --> 01:42:44.053
on open states, rooftop solar reduces a need to develop
01:42:44.053 --> 01:42:46.693
large solar and wind farms and transmission lines.
01:42:46.693 --> 01:42:49.233
Let's be smart about how we transition
01:42:49.233 --> 01:42:52.737
to clean energy and utilize our rooftop.
01:42:52.737 --> 01:42:53.570
Thank you.
01:42:54.406 --> 01:42:55.239
Thank you.
01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:57.656
Operator, next caller please.
01:42:59.784 --> 01:43:02.143
Our next caller is Gerald Etchingham.
01:43:02.143 --> 01:43:04.024
You may go ahead.
01:43:04.024 --> 01:43:05.368
[Gerald Etchingham] Thank you.
01:43:05.368 --> 01:43:07.043
My name is Gerald Etchingham and I live
01:43:07.043 --> 01:43:08.960
in Sebastopol, California,
01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:12.100
and I spent over $30,000 in 2021
01:43:12.100 --> 01:43:14.262
to put solar panels on my roof.
01:43:14.262 --> 01:43:16.993
I took out a loan and relied on PG&E's statements
01:43:16.993 --> 01:43:19.355
that I would continue to receive the 20 year
01:43:19.355 --> 01:43:22.684
net metering credit so that I could recover the expenses
01:43:22.684 --> 01:43:26.934
of my $30,000 investment and help pay back my loan.
01:43:28.228 --> 01:43:30.874
This is a bait and switch technique
01:43:30.874 --> 01:43:33.321
by PG&E and should not be allowed.
01:43:33.321 --> 01:43:35.191
I also need to add another
01:43:35.191 --> 01:43:37.881
15 to $20,000 for backup batteries.
01:43:37.881 --> 01:43:40.573
I would like to purchase an electric vehicle,
01:43:40.573 --> 01:43:45.298
all this costs money and goes in the same direction.
01:43:45.298 --> 01:43:47.410
I wanna reduce my carbon footprint.
01:43:47.410 --> 01:43:49.772
So I strongly oppose any solar tax
01:43:49.772 --> 01:43:52.576
and any reduction in the solar credit.
01:43:52.576 --> 01:43:55.212
The CPUC must honor the existing 20 year protection
01:43:55.212 --> 01:43:59.140
of net metering and protection for solar users like me,
01:43:59.140 --> 01:44:01.438
who borrowed money to pay for my solar panels.
01:44:01.438 --> 01:44:04.052
I live paycheck to paycheck and I fully relied
01:44:04.052 --> 01:44:06.540
on the net metering program to continue
01:44:06.540 --> 01:44:08.431
and get better, not worse.
01:44:08.431 --> 01:44:11.013
The CPUC should be helping consumers to become
01:44:11.013 --> 01:44:14.517
less team dependent on monopolies like PG&E
01:44:14.517 --> 01:44:16.023
(bell rings) who influence police
01:44:16.023 --> 01:44:16.856
lobby politicians to do the wrong thing.
01:44:16.856 --> 01:44:18.352
Thank you.
01:44:18.352 --> 01:44:20.769
Operator, next caller please.
01:44:22.310 --> 01:44:24.144
Our next caller is Liz Campos
01:44:24.144 --> 01:44:25.815
with Westside community council.
01:44:25.815 --> 01:44:27.232
You may go ahead.
01:44:28.747 --> 01:44:31.391
You ordered so Southern California gas
01:44:31.391 --> 01:44:33.674
to meet with my community about the toxic
01:44:33.674 --> 01:44:36.854
compressor poisoning and elementary school.
01:44:36.854 --> 01:44:41.220
Their so-called public meetings in October 9th, 2021
01:44:41.220 --> 01:44:44.645
locked me and others out denying us access.
01:44:44.645 --> 01:44:47.208
Their new meetings proposed for March 29th
01:44:47.208 --> 01:44:51.204
through April 2nd, deny my community access.
01:44:51.204 --> 01:44:54.138
64% of us do not own vehicle.
01:44:54.138 --> 01:44:57.436
53% have no digital access.
01:44:57.436 --> 01:45:01.278
The meetings are being held in a fancy High Rise Hotel
01:45:01.278 --> 01:45:04.197
with no bus service from west Ventura.
01:45:04.197 --> 01:45:07.179
These meetings need to be rescheduled in an area
01:45:07.179 --> 01:45:10.871
where anyone who wants to can attend.
01:45:10.871 --> 01:45:15.721
The CPUC should be morally obligated to order SoCalGas,
01:45:15.721 --> 01:45:18.492
to end the farce and move this compressor
01:45:18.492 --> 01:45:21.388
away from our children's school.
01:45:21.388 --> 01:45:24.816
Stop SoCalGas's environmental racism,
01:45:24.816 --> 01:45:27.015
focus on climate and life,
01:45:27.015 --> 01:45:29.906
not the greed of this corporation.
01:45:29.906 --> 01:45:31.493
Thank you.
01:45:31.493 --> 01:45:32.428
Thank you.
01:45:32.428 --> 01:45:34.845
Operator, next caller please.
01:45:37.446 --> 01:45:39.857
Our next caller is Greg Higgins.
01:45:39.857 --> 01:45:41.274
You may go ahead.
01:45:49.742 --> 01:45:53.314
And it looks like he has one moment
01:45:53.314 --> 01:45:55.731
again Greg Higgins, go ahead.
01:45:56.772 --> 01:45:57.605
Hello.
01:45:57.605 --> 01:45:59.978
Good morning members of the CPUC.
01:45:59.978 --> 01:46:04.864
If you're listening, would you mind raising your hands?
01:46:04.864 --> 01:46:06.294
Okay.
01:46:06.294 --> 01:46:08.528
Thank you for giving my time for comment.
01:46:08.528 --> 01:46:10.895
I'm a California rooftop solar owner,
01:46:10.895 --> 01:46:13.829
but more specifically, I'm an early adopter.
01:46:13.829 --> 01:46:17.494
The world is changing like it always has, and always will.
01:46:17.494 --> 01:46:20.137
Transformational change is at our doorsteps
01:46:20.137 --> 01:46:23.274
and the change always requires early adopters,
01:46:23.274 --> 01:46:25.601
but world change events also require
01:46:25.601 --> 01:46:27.636
next step majority adoption.
01:46:27.636 --> 01:46:30.311
This is where you are being asked to participate.
01:46:30.311 --> 01:46:33.129
We are all running our own legacy and today
01:46:33.129 --> 01:46:35.471
your legacy will be cast in history.
01:46:35.471 --> 01:46:38.284
In the end history will see two participants in the quest.
01:46:38.284 --> 01:46:41.114
One will be remembered as adopters and leaders and the other
01:46:41.114 --> 01:46:45.241
will be remembered as laggers and obstructionist.
01:46:45.241 --> 01:46:48.129
History is always rendered laggers insignificant.
01:46:48.129 --> 01:46:48.995
It's time now for you
01:46:48.995 --> 01:46:51.221
to invest in our children's children's future
01:46:51.221 --> 01:46:55.634
and follow our lead in a world changing endeavor.
01:46:55.634 --> 01:46:58.654
We early adopters have led the way to provide
01:46:58.654 --> 01:47:01.142
a viable solution to the climate crisis.
01:47:01.142 --> 01:47:03.866
Full adoption (bell rings) is now needed.
01:47:03.866 --> 01:47:05.542
Please exercise your core value of stewardship
01:47:05.542 --> 01:47:07.910
and lead the rest of the way.
01:47:07.910 --> 01:47:09.213
You know what's need.
01:47:09.213 --> 01:47:10.647
Thank you.
01:47:10.647 --> 01:47:11.480
Thank you.
01:47:11.480 --> 01:47:13.897
Operator, next caller please.
01:47:14.806 --> 01:47:17.046
Our next caller is Nancy Mangini.
01:47:17.046 --> 01:47:18.796
You may go ahead.
01:47:18.796 --> 01:47:21.015
Hi, my name is Nancy Mangini.
01:47:21.015 --> 01:47:24.101
I live in Redwood city, California.
01:47:24.101 --> 01:47:26.851
I invested nearly $30,000 in 2012
01:47:28.653 --> 01:47:31.182
to put solar panels on my roof.
01:47:31.182 --> 01:47:34.276
I used to work for NASA and I could see
01:47:34.276 --> 01:47:37.328
the development of solar industry there.
01:47:37.328 --> 01:47:40.010
I am leasing on a 20 year lease.
01:47:40.010 --> 01:47:44.260
I will recoup my investment only if NEM is rejected
01:47:45.747 --> 01:47:48.676
and you honor your contracts.
01:47:48.676 --> 01:47:49.977
I'm retired.
01:47:49.977 --> 01:47:53.643
The reason we we put on solar way back then
01:47:53.643 --> 01:47:56.677
was because we anticipated a fixed income
01:47:56.677 --> 01:47:59.774
and needed to cap our energy bills.
01:47:59.774 --> 01:48:03.455
I represent hundreds of thousands of retirees
01:48:03.455 --> 01:48:05.765
in the bay area who have done the same thing,
01:48:05.765 --> 01:48:08.598
and we are all politically active.
01:48:09.477 --> 01:48:12.301
Please tell the Governor his future
01:48:12.301 --> 01:48:16.051
as well as ours is on the line on this issue.
01:48:18.259 --> 01:48:19.221
Thank you.
01:48:19.221 --> 01:48:21.638
Operator, next caller please.
01:48:29.565 --> 01:48:31.404
Our next caller is Tom Felan.
01:48:31.404 --> 01:48:33.566
You may go ahead.
01:48:33.566 --> 01:48:34.744
My name is Tom Felan,
01:48:34.744 --> 01:48:37.845
myself and wife live in a home near the town of Santa Rosa.
01:48:37.845 --> 01:48:40.174
We are retired and lived on a fixed income.
01:48:40.174 --> 01:48:42.097
Global warming is not coming to California,
01:48:42.097 --> 01:48:43.397
it's already here.
01:48:43.397 --> 01:48:47.917
Thanks to PG&E, we lost our house in the 2017 tubs wildfire.
01:48:47.917 --> 01:48:49.327
At the time, it was the worst wildfire
01:48:49.327 --> 01:48:50.681
in California's history.
01:48:50.681 --> 01:48:52.918
That is no longer the case because every year,
01:48:52.918 --> 01:48:56.194
since the wildfires were larger than the preceding year,
01:48:56.194 --> 01:48:59.833
the CPUC needs to stop acting like a who owned subsidiary
01:48:59.833 --> 01:49:03.392
of the utilities and start acting like a reguratory agency
01:49:03.392 --> 01:49:06.059
working for the benefit of the citizens of California.
01:49:06.059 --> 01:49:08.663
Here's how, solar power needs to be more affordable
01:49:08.663 --> 01:49:10.520
for its citizens, not less affordable
01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:12.846
by taxing solar and implementing fees.
01:49:12.846 --> 01:49:14.351
Solar power will free us
01:49:14.351 --> 01:49:16.887
from the never ending escalating power hikes.
01:49:16.887 --> 01:49:19.413
You guys allow PG&E to impose on us.
01:49:19.413 --> 01:49:21.489
It makes us independent of power outages.
01:49:21.489 --> 01:49:24.674
It creates jobs and solar power will help mitigate
01:49:24.674 --> 01:49:26.388
the impact of global warming.
01:49:26.388 --> 01:49:28.163
You need to honor the existing 20 year
01:49:28.163 --> 01:49:30.074
protection for solar users.
01:49:30.074 --> 01:49:31.596
Thank you.
01:49:31.596 --> 01:49:32.489
Thank you.
01:49:32.489 --> 01:49:34.906
Operator, next caller please.
01:49:39.230 --> 01:49:41.834
Our next caller is Dave Comca.
01:49:41.834 --> 01:49:43.735
You may go ahead.
01:49:43.735 --> 01:49:44.889
I'm Frank.
01:49:44.889 --> 01:49:46.584
Waited in fear for our rights
01:49:46.584 --> 01:49:49.748
to save solar from the government.
01:49:49.748 --> 01:49:53.897
Government only care to win and hurt money rather than save
01:49:53.897 --> 01:49:58.076
innocent children from their gas chamber.
01:49:58.076 --> 01:50:01.993
For many decades, we have been SoCalGas gas as,
01:50:02.948 --> 01:50:07.615
and if you CPUC fail to move SoCalGas away from Ventura.
01:50:09.713 --> 01:50:13.546
You are responsible for our unjust gas deaths.
01:50:15.523 --> 01:50:18.576
How will you look into our children's eyes
01:50:18.576 --> 01:50:21.959
and tell them you condemn them to die at the hands
01:50:21.959 --> 01:50:25.709
of SoCalGas, make the SoCalGas men move away.
01:50:27.887 --> 01:50:29.963
Our children are in fear.
01:50:29.963 --> 01:50:33.353
Save our children in Southern California.
01:50:33.353 --> 01:50:38.353
Save our children, save our children, save our children now,
01:50:39.132 --> 01:50:42.235
else you'll be out of office Newsom.
01:50:42.235 --> 01:50:44.664
Please save our children.
01:50:44.664 --> 01:50:46.428
Save our children,
01:50:46.428 --> 01:50:49.776
save our children now because children are our future.
01:50:49.776 --> 01:50:52.520
(bell rings)
01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:53.956
Thank you.
01:50:53.956 --> 01:50:54.997
Thank you.
Thank you for your comment.
01:50:54.997 --> 01:50:58.164
Operator, next caller please.
01:50:58.164 --> 01:51:00.789
Our next caller is Daniel O'Connell.
01:51:00.789 --> 01:51:02.206
You may go ahead.
01:51:03.865 --> 01:51:05.503
[Daniel O'Connell] Hello, my name's Daniel O'Connell.
01:51:05.503 --> 01:51:07.318
I'm a farmer and cattle rancher.
01:51:07.318 --> 01:51:10.217
Agriculture is one of the cornerstones of our economy.
01:51:10.217 --> 01:51:11.147
It's one of the old industry.
01:51:11.147 --> 01:51:13.397
The basically pays retail for everything and gets
01:51:13.397 --> 01:51:15.550
a wholesale price for their product.
01:51:15.550 --> 01:51:17.657
In addition to historic drought and the freeze that killed
01:51:17.657 --> 01:51:20.378
80% of our fruit crop were being hit with crippling costs
01:51:20.378 --> 01:51:24.053
on all our inputs including fueled fertilizing chemicals.
01:51:24.053 --> 01:51:26.311
Hedging our electrical costs for solar
01:51:26.311 --> 01:51:28.809
is the only overhead we can hedge both environmentally
01:51:28.809 --> 01:51:31.461
and financially remains sustainable
01:51:31.461 --> 01:51:33.537
because the more our majority of agriculture
01:51:33.537 --> 01:51:34.876
is seasonal, we are highly dependent
01:51:34.876 --> 01:51:37.751
on export credits and can't utilize batteries.
01:51:37.751 --> 01:51:39.853
These proposals under consideration will destroy
01:51:39.853 --> 01:51:42.488
the economic feasibility of solar for our seasonal pumps
01:51:42.488 --> 01:51:45.565
and processors, and be the demise of our agricultural
01:51:45.565 --> 01:51:47.468
economy, which hurts not only farmers,
01:51:47.468 --> 01:51:49.852
the supporting businesses and farming communities,
01:51:49.852 --> 01:51:51.626
but raise the cost of food for everyone
01:51:51.626 --> 01:51:53.727
and put our food security at risk.
01:51:53.727 --> 01:51:55.338
We're already dependent on foreign fuel.
01:51:55.338 --> 01:51:57.491
Do we really wanna put ourselves in the same situation
01:51:57.491 --> 01:51:59.296
with the food we feed our families,
01:51:59.296 --> 01:52:00.960
please rule against the proposed rate changes
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:02.194
in the present form and continue
01:52:02.194 --> 01:52:04.883
to support customer side solar energy.
01:52:04.883 --> 01:52:05.716
Thank you.
01:52:07.057 --> 01:52:07.966
Thank you.
01:52:07.966 --> 01:52:09.965
I did wanna pause for a moment to let the members
01:52:09.965 --> 01:52:11.852
of the public know that we'll be taking
01:52:11.852 --> 01:52:14.019
a 15 minute break at noon.
01:52:14.866 --> 01:52:17.784
So we'll break at noon and come back at 12:15,
01:52:17.784 --> 01:52:21.333
but we'll proceed with a few more comments until noon.
01:52:21.333 --> 01:52:23.750
Operator, next caller please.
01:52:24.713 --> 01:52:27.633
Our next caller is Laura Rosenberger Haider.
01:52:27.633 --> 01:52:29.050
You may go ahead.
01:52:30.112 --> 01:52:31.040
[Laura Rosenberger Haider] Hello.
01:52:31.040 --> 01:52:35.457
Please reverse the new decision, we need to encourage
01:52:37.225 --> 01:52:40.921
installation of solar panels so that we have enough
01:52:40.921 --> 01:52:44.962
electricity to meet the cap 26 agreement to keep
01:52:44.962 --> 01:52:48.837
global warming below 1.5 degrees Celsius,
01:52:48.837 --> 01:52:51.920
but we need 90% of us to convert
01:52:52.973 --> 01:52:56.806
to a electric space and water heaters by 2035.
01:52:58.402 --> 01:53:01.985
And there's even grants for that conversion
01:53:03.180 --> 01:53:06.263
to grants from Tech Clean California,
01:53:08.545 --> 01:53:12.462
and also in the new inverter type of heat pumps
01:53:13.848 --> 01:53:16.126
are more efficient and save money
01:53:16.126 --> 01:53:19.529
and keep more constant room temperature.
01:53:19.529 --> 01:53:21.762
If I think a lot of people are gonna be converting
01:53:21.762 --> 01:53:26.534
over and for me having a electricity for them, right?
01:53:26.534 --> 01:53:27.367
Thanks.
01:53:28.308 --> 01:53:29.453
Thank you.
01:53:29.453 --> 01:53:31.870
Operator, next caller please.
01:53:34.231 --> 01:53:35.953
Our next caller is Chris Dorin.
01:53:35.953 --> 01:53:37.370
You may go ahead.
01:53:38.706 --> 01:53:39.539
Good morning.
01:53:39.539 --> 01:53:41.360
My name's Chris Dorin from Bakersfield.
01:53:41.360 --> 01:53:44.058
The CPUC can fix this disastrous
01:53:44.058 --> 01:53:46.326
proposed vision of NEM program.
01:53:46.326 --> 01:53:49.764
First abolish a solar tax of any kind period.
01:53:49.764 --> 01:53:51.528
No one should be taxed on a monthly basis
01:53:51.528 --> 01:53:54.741
for choosing to utilize renewable solar power.
01:53:54.741 --> 01:53:57.209
The sun belongs to everyone.
01:53:57.209 --> 01:53:59.792
Ensure that solar power becomes more affordable
01:53:59.792 --> 01:54:01.398
for all households and users
01:54:01.398 --> 01:54:03.724
are compensated at a retail rate.
01:54:03.724 --> 01:54:05.109
Consumers should be able to control
01:54:05.109 --> 01:54:07.419
their energy bills and not be penalized for it.
01:54:07.419 --> 01:54:09.414
And finally avoid the bait and switch,
01:54:09.414 --> 01:54:11.335
honor the existing 20 year protection
01:54:11.335 --> 01:54:13.605
for current solar users, use your great
01:54:13.605 --> 01:54:15.618
sound financial decisions under the current
01:54:15.618 --> 01:54:18.502
NEM structure to invest in benefits of solar.
01:54:18.502 --> 01:54:20.500
Benefits that positively affect all of us
01:54:20.500 --> 01:54:22.926
by boostering grid capacity, realizing
01:54:22.926 --> 01:54:25.362
positive environmental aspects of electric vehicles
01:54:25.362 --> 01:54:28.154
and reducing our dependence on fossil fuel.
01:54:28.154 --> 01:54:29.457
Thank you.
01:54:29.457 --> 01:54:30.297
Thank you.
01:54:30.297 --> 01:54:33.388
Operator, next caller please.
01:54:33.388 --> 01:54:35.195
Our next caller is James Pearson.
01:54:35.195 --> 01:54:36.612
You may go ahead.
01:54:38.492 --> 01:54:40.496
Hi, can you hear me now?
01:54:40.496 --> 01:54:42.496
Yes, we can.
01:54:42.496 --> 01:54:43.836
Hi, my name is James Pearson.
01:54:43.836 --> 01:54:47.378
I live in Gilroy, California in Santa Clara county
01:54:47.378 --> 01:54:51.295
and I'm also retired and a solar rooftop owner.
01:54:53.166 --> 01:54:56.749
I urged the Commission to reject NEM three,
01:54:58.038 --> 01:55:01.462
it's completely backwards in meeting
01:55:01.462 --> 01:55:03.879
California's climate globals.
01:55:06.234 --> 01:55:10.984
We would be silly to try to make our climate change goals
01:55:14.592 --> 01:55:19.092
simply with concentrated energy production distributed
01:55:20.526 --> 01:55:24.693
generation is a necessary part of the whole plant.
01:55:25.953 --> 01:55:29.481
We need to start over and be more transparent
01:55:29.481 --> 01:55:32.221
and open in our discussion.
01:55:32.221 --> 01:55:34.985
There's a lot of stakeholders at the table,
01:55:34.985 --> 01:55:39.235
but the primary ones, the CPUC has is the consumer.
01:55:40.972 --> 01:55:41.805
Thank you.
01:55:41.805 --> 01:55:42.638
(bell rings)
01:55:42.638 --> 01:55:43.717
Thank you.
01:55:43.717 --> 01:55:46.134
Operator, next caller please.
01:55:47.712 --> 01:55:50.562
Our next caller is Thomas Folsom.
01:55:50.562 --> 01:55:51.979
You may go ahead.
01:55:53.092 --> 01:55:54.483
Hello, my name is Thomas Folsom,
01:55:54.483 --> 01:55:57.463
a homeowner and Joshua Tree, a small rural community
01:55:57.463 --> 01:56:00.030
that is the gateway to a Beautiful national park.
01:56:00.030 --> 01:56:04.152
I oppose NEM three, especially the increase in feeds.
01:56:04.152 --> 01:56:07.925
We must focus on making home and business rooftop solar
01:56:07.925 --> 01:56:11.125
more affordable for everyone instead of penalizing,
01:56:11.125 --> 01:56:13.938
those that invest in solar at home.
01:56:13.938 --> 01:56:16.763
This is a blatant attempt by the utilities to favor
01:56:16.763 --> 01:56:19.955
industrial generation over homeowners.
01:56:19.955 --> 01:56:23.084
Our Joshua Tree community fought hard and won against local
01:56:23.084 --> 01:56:26.165
industrial solar projects because of the dev stating effects
01:56:26.165 --> 01:56:29.819
to the environment and improper placement.
01:56:29.819 --> 01:56:31.467
We are seeing the desert destroyed
01:56:31.467 --> 01:56:33.956
as more and more huge industrial projects
01:56:33.956 --> 01:56:36.339
and transmission lines are being implemented.
01:56:36.339 --> 01:56:39.091
I was just in an area south of Peram where thousands
01:56:39.091 --> 01:56:41.686
of acres of untouched desert are being devastated
01:56:41.686 --> 01:56:44.052
by a huge industrial solar project.
01:56:44.052 --> 01:56:46.498
We must invest in the environment and energy
01:56:46.498 --> 01:56:49.474
security by investing in local generation
01:56:49.474 --> 01:56:51.844
storage and other solutions.
01:56:51.844 --> 01:56:55.060
Listen to don't penalize the people.
01:56:55.060 --> 01:56:55.893
Thank you.
01:56:55.893 --> 01:56:56.887
(bell rings)
01:56:56.887 --> 01:56:57.720
Thank you.
01:56:57.720 --> 01:57:00.137
Operator, next caller please.
01:57:03.554 --> 01:57:05.907
Our next caller is Patrick McKenzie.
01:57:05.907 --> 01:57:07.324
You may go ahead.
01:57:08.641 --> 01:57:09.619
[Patrick McKenzie] Thank you.
01:57:09.619 --> 01:57:11.499
My name is Patrick McKenzie.
01:57:11.499 --> 01:57:13.499
I live in San Bernardino County.
01:57:13.499 --> 01:57:15.147
I'm a small organic farmer.
01:57:15.147 --> 01:57:19.147
I put solar in my house, farm, and electric car.
01:57:20.216 --> 01:57:22.640
I invested in solar because of promises
01:57:22.640 --> 01:57:26.914
and because I believe in alternative sources of power.
01:57:26.914 --> 01:57:31.481
To now tax me and make it more difficult and expensive
01:57:31.481 --> 01:57:34.348
to install solar for everyone is against
01:57:34.348 --> 01:57:36.741
what California is working for.
01:57:36.741 --> 01:57:40.154
We also need our 20 year protection.
01:57:40.154 --> 01:57:41.634
Listening to comments today,
01:57:41.634 --> 01:57:44.932
sounds like it is the public against the utilities.
01:57:44.932 --> 01:57:47.494
Kind of like Ukraine, huh?
01:57:47.494 --> 01:57:50.203
Thank you for listening to my concerns.
01:57:50.203 --> 01:57:51.515
Thank you.
01:57:51.515 --> 01:57:52.366
Thank you.
01:57:52.366 --> 01:57:54.783
Operator, next caller please.
01:58:02.068 --> 01:58:03.916
Our next caller is John Brooks.
01:58:03.916 --> 01:58:05.333
You may go ahead.
01:58:07.906 --> 01:58:08.739
Yes, hello.
01:58:08.739 --> 01:58:09.757
I am John Brooks.
01:58:09.757 --> 01:58:13.412
I'm calling you from the Oak View, California.
01:58:13.412 --> 01:58:15.636
I'm about eight miles from the dangerous polluting
01:58:15.636 --> 01:58:18.881
McFarland gas compressor in west Ventura.
01:58:18.881 --> 01:58:20.514
I don't know what Southern California Gas
01:58:20.514 --> 01:58:21.859
will say about relocation
01:58:21.859 --> 01:58:24.598
in the upcoming so called community meetings.
01:58:24.598 --> 01:58:25.911
Will they lock the doors
01:58:25.911 --> 01:58:28.787
like they did in October when people arrived?
01:58:28.787 --> 01:58:31.100
Do they care that these meetings are being held
01:58:31.100 --> 01:58:34.262
at a luxury hotel where people can't even get to it?
01:58:34.262 --> 01:58:37.032
Southern California gas just wants you to think
01:58:37.032 --> 01:58:39.932
that they carried out your public input mandate.
01:58:39.932 --> 01:58:41.930
The only way to achieve environmental justice
01:58:41.930 --> 01:58:44.058
is to order a full EIR,
01:58:44.058 --> 01:58:45.942
which would prove the Olive street
01:58:45.942 --> 01:58:49.543
location is a disaster waiting to happen.
01:58:49.543 --> 01:58:51.728
I must say happy St. Patrick's day.
01:58:51.728 --> 01:58:54.321
Let's drive the snakes outta west Ventura
01:58:54.321 --> 01:58:56.096
and that's Southern California Gas.
01:58:56.096 --> 01:58:56.929
Thank you.
01:58:58.321 --> 01:58:59.802
Thank you.
01:58:59.802 --> 01:59:03.456
And now we will be taking a 15 minute break.
01:59:03.456 --> 01:59:05.706
So we will return at 12:15.
01:59:07.711 --> 01:59:10.443
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01:59:21.478 --> 01:59:22.658
The feed for this--
01:59:22.658 --> 01:59:24.425
Thank you all for standing by, today's conference
01:59:24.425 --> 01:59:27.813
has resumed president Reynolds, you may proceed.
01:59:27.813 --> 01:59:28.954
Thank you very much.
01:59:28.954 --> 01:59:31.887
We do need to reestablish a quorum Agenda Clerk,
01:59:31.887 --> 01:59:34.470
could you please call the role.
01:59:34.470 --> 01:59:36.740
Commissioner John Reynolds?
01:59:36.740 --> 01:59:37.573
Here?
01:59:38.441 --> 01:59:39.795
Commissioner Houck?
01:59:39.795 --> 01:59:41.265
Here.
01:59:41.265 --> 01:59:43.791
Commissioner Shiroma?
01:59:43.791 --> 01:59:44.624
Present.
01:59:45.655 --> 01:59:47.610
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
01:59:47.610 --> 01:59:49.358
I'm here.
01:59:49.358 --> 01:59:51.513
President Alice Reynolds?
01:59:51.513 --> 01:59:52.346
Here.
01:59:53.555 --> 01:59:55.628
We have a quorum.
01:59:55.628 --> 01:59:59.997
We continue with our public comment period.
01:59:59.997 --> 02:00:03.997
Operator, could you please call the next caller?
02:00:06.633 --> 02:00:10.626
Our next caller is Diana Otto.
02:00:10.626 --> 02:00:12.043
You may go ahead.
02:00:13.600 --> 02:00:14.867
Thank you monopolies,
02:00:14.867 --> 02:00:19.225
like PG&E failed to plan for a solar future
02:00:19.225 --> 02:00:22.522
and now they blame it on the rate payers.
02:00:22.522 --> 02:00:24.705
Instead of coming up with creative solutions
02:00:24.705 --> 02:00:29.150
to share expenses, they want to go back on their promises
02:00:29.150 --> 02:00:31.468
and punish customers who are actively helping
02:00:31.468 --> 02:00:34.534
California meet its energy goals.
02:00:34.534 --> 02:00:36.718
A smart fifth grader could tell you
02:00:36.718 --> 02:00:38.377
this isn't about fairness.
02:00:38.377 --> 02:00:41.653
It's about laziness in the part of the giant monopolies.
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Don't go backwards,
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keep solar affordable and viable,
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by the way I'm one of five children.
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As kids, we learn not to waste anything
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as in turn off the lights when you leave the room,
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But we did not get punished for doing the right thing.
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Solar is the right thing.
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Don't smother it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Renee Ryan.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning.
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My name is Renee Ryan.
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I'm an educator from San Jose
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and I am against the NEM 3.0 proposal.
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Last year, my husband and I were finally able to afford
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to put rooftop solar on our home.
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I love it, I tell everyone how great
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it is to be more energy and dependent.
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You can imagine my disappointment when learning
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about the NEM 3.0, it's a travesty and it's unacceptable.
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We should want more people in the state
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to be able to afford rooftop solar.
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We should not be penalizing Californians
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who wanna do the right thing to help
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tackle the climate crisis just so the utility companies
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like PG&E and their stockholders can benefit.
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Do not impose a solar tax of any kind,
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ensure that solar becomes more affordable for all.
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And please honor the existing 20 year
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protection for solar users.
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(bell rings)
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These are just the basics.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Doug Heir.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, this is Doug Heir. I live in Bakersfield.
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I'm opposed to the NEM three agreement.
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I don't believe that any to solar tax should be implemented.
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I think that you'll crush an industry that supports
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over 60,000 jobs in the state,
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and I'd like to see the NEM two agreements continue.
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I, for one, if this goes through,
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will be looking at battery backup and disconnecting
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from the grid so that I don't have to pay PG&E anything.
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Currently we're paying $120 a year just as a connection fee.
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So we're already giving PG&E money when I'm a net producer.
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I don't rely on the grid for anything aside from
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nightly use, but I have a surplus at the end of every year
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and have since I installed my system.
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So I oppose all changes to the current net metering system
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and would encourage the public utility Commission
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to reject this new NEM metering program.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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I'm J--
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Next caller is Jeff Rudison.
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You may go ahead.
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My name is Jeff Rudison.
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When my wife and I moved back
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to Santa Cruz county, eight years ago,
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we chose to put rooftop solar on our manufactured home,
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an investment for our old age, and to save the planet.
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Our end of the year, true up cost
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for electricity last year was $18.
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$18 because we decided to generate our own electricity city.
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Now you, the CPUC seem prone to grant private utility
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companies permission to undermine
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our investment for their monetary gains.
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As I look at your faces, I have to wonder as the CPUC
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become the California private utilities Commission,
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serving the money to interest of private instead
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of the life interest of the public
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valuing money over life is not okay.
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In the light of all this public comment,
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should you decide to go ahead and NEM three,
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you'll expose your commitment to private money
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over public life, then shame on you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Trisa Lafer.
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You may go ahead.
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Hello. I'm Trisa Lafer.
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I live in Somerset, California,
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that's a rural area in El Dorado county.
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I am a senior citizen, 75 years old.
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I'm living on a fixed income.
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Seven years ago my PG&E bill
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was around $700 during the summer.
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I needed to have affordable electricity
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to run my large pot because of a 900 foot water well
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and a 5,000 gallon water tank for my livestock
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and to fight the fires.
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Therefore I borrowed $42,000 on the equity of my home
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to put on solar panels on my property.
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If this I am against the Nem three proposal,
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if this goes through, I will loose my investment.
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I will have to pay the loan back, and also again,
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very, very, very high rates.
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When this has been done in other parts of the other parts,
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it has been destroying the solar industry
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in Nevada was done.
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47% in one year was lost on solar installations
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and they reversed it.
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This your plan was done in Imperial Irrigation District
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a year later, 88% over the next two years,
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a loss in solar installations in Turlock Irrigation District
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in net metering in 2015 and installations declined by 74%.
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It's very obvious, the proof is there.
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This will destroy our solar industry in California.
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It will not be good for energy.
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It will not be good to fight the wildfires
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I beg you Please do not go with this plan.
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The M excuse me, NEM 3.0.
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It hurts seniors.
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It hurts low income people
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and the middle class work of people. (bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Julian Aguilar.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, thank you so much.
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My name is Julie Aguilar.
02:06:34.938 --> 02:06:37.352
I live in this Sierra foothills in Plasterville
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similar to the previous caller
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up here between Sacramento, Lake Tahoe.
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And I'm calling to urge CPUC and Governor Newsom
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to fix their current proposal that's drastically
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gonna limit California's ability to benefit from solar.
02:06:50.729 --> 02:06:52.737
My husband and I are in our 60's
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and just like many other callers
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we added solar to our roof three years ago,
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as a way to manage living expenses,
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trying to make that ballooning PG&E cost
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under in our just maybe making,
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helping us fix, manage our budget.
02:07:11.522 --> 02:07:13.764
So, we expect our state leaders and state agencies
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to support all California's ability to use solar energy,
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which is one of our best aspects here in California.
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And so we say no to the solar tax.
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We want to the proposal to honor the 20 year protection.
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As many colleges have mentioned,
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it takes 15 or 20 years just to net out after you install.
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And we want also all solar users
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to be able to get the full net meeting-- (bell ringing)
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promise.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Jose Tori Boyino.
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You may go ahead.
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[Hose Tori Boyino] Hello.
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I'm Hose Tori Boyino.
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I represent here for community energy in San Diego.
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I want to say the justification for the proposed NEM three
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is the new version of the avoided cost calculator.
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The changes to the avoided cost calculator
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were approved without public hearing
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on the grounds of the changes were minor,
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but changes that profoundly alter
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the output of a model cannot be called minor.
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Further a study by vibrant clean energy
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came to the opposite conclusions
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that the new avoided cost calculator did.
02:08:29.112 --> 02:08:31.712
So, the avoided cost calculator cannot be considered
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reliable enough to base policy on.
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I think the whole thing needs to go back
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to the original studies and needs to be reworked.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Dolly Riley.
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You may go ahead.
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Thank you.
02:08:54.953 --> 02:08:57.390
Greetings to the CPUC president,
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Commissioners and solar advocates.
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My name is Dolly Riley for Redwood valley, California.
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As fossil fuels ruin our planet quite obvious
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in our extreme drought and severe weather.
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It is only logical to use rooftop solar energy,
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a solar tax makes the use of solar panels
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less attractive, more expensive.
02:09:20.316 --> 02:09:23.014
Solar users should not be unfairly taxed
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for doing the right thing.
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That brings me to the CPUC.
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I ask that you stop your lockstep actions,
02:09:30.574 --> 02:09:33.556
approving everything PG&E wants
02:09:33.556 --> 02:09:35.709
and begin to finally do your job
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advocate for citizens rights, not green light,
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everything the utilities ask for.
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Governor Newsom, we need your support now
02:09:44.607 --> 02:09:46.774
to disallow any solar tax.
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The solar tax is an evil idea.
02:09:49.910 --> 02:09:50.876
Stop it now.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Next caller is Chris Ryan.
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You may go ahead.
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Yeah.
02:10:04.319 --> 02:10:05.152
Hi.
02:10:05.152 --> 02:10:06.321
Can you hear me?
02:10:06.321 --> 02:10:07.623
Yes, we can.
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Yeah.
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I'm Chris Ryan, a private citizen in San Diego.
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When purchasing my solar panels about five years ago,
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I actually bought a little bit more than I consumed
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because I didn't want to have a shortfall
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in power generation and so I generate a surplus
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which goes on in grid and it benefits
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those who need electricity.
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And I get no compensation for that, of course.
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I'm doing my part on following the guidance
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we've been given in our state historically,
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which was reducing our carbon footprint.
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Now changing the rules.
02:10:38.794 --> 02:10:42.253
It really is a bait and switch that is not fair
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to the people who calculated their payoff
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to be sometimes 10 or 20 years to pay off their panels.
02:10:49.408 --> 02:10:51.499
It really is not fair to us.
02:10:51.499 --> 02:10:53.819
It's a bait and switch by changing the rules
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in the middle of the game.
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Please let these net metering rules as they are scanned.
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And we look for the Governor to provide leadership in this.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Cindy Bailey.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi.
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My name is Cindy Bailey.
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I live in Culver city, California,
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which is right in between Los Angeles and Venice Beach.
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And I opposed to any NEM three proposal.
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I definitely agree with the first caller
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that the calculations in the document
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are deeply flawed and cannot be counted on
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for any conclusions they have come.
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Those would be flawed as well.
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I want to reiterate that all of the solar rooftop users,
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we do pay grid fees every month.
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Although we're totaled into a yearly calculation
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every single month, those are added to our bill.
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So, we do pay grid fees to keep up the grid.
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We do pay taxes on any energy that we use.
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So, anything we have to buy from the electric company
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we do pay taxes and fees on that as well as our grid fee.
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So for people to say that we're not paying
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our fair share is simply not true.
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The other thing that I wanted to mention
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was for lower income families.
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I think it is important that they also be able to afford
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to put solar rooftop on for their own homes
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or their rental units.
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And in that case, the state or the Commission
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or whoever would be responsible for this,
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could certainly give them--
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(bell ringing)
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more tax incentives based on their income level.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Karine Rigie.
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You may go ahead
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Again Karine Rigie, your line is open.
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We're not able to hear you. Please check your mute button.
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Okay.
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My name is Karine Rigie.
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What did I pay for my solar rooftop panel?
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Zero, zero, zero.
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I'm 70 years old on a fixed income.
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Most of our politicians have voted in favor of this tax.
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We need to get them accountable
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and find out where they live.
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I live in Yorba Linda.
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I don't have a lawn anymore.
02:13:46.363 --> 02:13:48.322
I went to rock.
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I don't... my water bill is almost $20 a month.
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Come on, everybody has... Kaiser has solar panels.
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Solar panels are free.
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Oh, all you have to do is contact Tesla.
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Oh, the government ran Tesla out of the state.
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I didn't get my solar panels from Tesla.
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I got them from Solar City in 77A.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you very much.
Thank you.
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Go get 'em.
Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Bruce Goffy.
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You may go ahead.
02:14:33.575 --> 02:14:35.242
Yes.
02:14:37.914 --> 02:14:41.320
My name is Bruce Goffy in Piedmont, California.
02:14:41.320 --> 02:14:44.312
I installed solar panels in my house two years ago
02:14:44.312 --> 02:14:46.796
because the net energy metering agreement
02:14:46.796 --> 02:14:49.071
made it affordable and practical.
02:14:49.071 --> 02:14:52.082
My systems costs will be paid for with the savings
02:14:52.082 --> 02:14:56.242
on my PG&E electric bill in approximately seven years.
02:14:56.242 --> 02:14:57.139
In earlier years,
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the estimates were too high,
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12 to 13 years.
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I wanted to go solar because I believe
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we must all do what we can to combat Lomo climate crisis.
02:15:06.863 --> 02:15:08.526
We must create more electricity
02:15:08.526 --> 02:15:10.665
without burning fossil fuels.
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And that goes for home owners
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as well as energy companies.
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In the coming years,
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electric cars will create a larger
02:15:17.472 --> 02:15:20.003
and larger demand for electricity,
02:15:20.003 --> 02:15:22.796
which our current grid cannot satisfy.
02:15:22.796 --> 02:15:26.397
My solar panels help reduce the residential demand
02:15:26.397 --> 02:15:30.608
so that power can go to vehicle charging stations instead.
02:15:30.608 --> 02:15:34.756
If CPUC use decision makes it more expensive
02:15:34.756 --> 02:15:36.782
for residential solar panels,
02:15:36.782 --> 02:15:38.965
there will be less clean energy available.
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(bell ringing) There will be more to teach need
02:15:40.814 --> 02:15:42.740
you need to generate electricity--
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Thank you.
02:15:43.573 --> 02:15:44.438
By burning carbon--
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Maylee Hun.
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You may go ahead.
02:15:56.198 --> 02:15:57.031
Hi.
02:15:57.031 --> 02:15:59.118
My name is Maylee Hun and I live Ohio, California.
02:15:59.118 --> 02:16:00.741
I was born and raised in California
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and I'm calling in to make it clear
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that there should be no solar tax of any kind
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and CPUC ought to ensure that solar
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becomes more affordable for working
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and middle class households.
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The only thing a solar tax is going to do
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is reduce solar and we need much more of it.
02:16:14.873 --> 02:16:19.235
If California's gonna its climate(indistinct)
02:16:19.235 --> 02:16:22.581
rooftop solar is an empowering win-win
02:16:22.581 --> 02:16:24.460
for our environment and for communities
02:16:24.460 --> 02:16:26.016
to create resilient energy infrastructure
02:16:26.016 --> 02:16:28.437
that can also give back to.
02:16:28.437 --> 02:16:29.661
We're running out of time.
02:16:29.661 --> 02:16:32.280
We must slash our emissions in half by 2030
02:16:32.280 --> 02:16:33.997
for a livable future and that means dramatically
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different government policies.
02:16:35.597 --> 02:16:37.244
And you can be a part of that.
02:16:37.244 --> 02:16:38.883
California's a leader in climate policy
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and what we do other states and countries follow.
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So, I urge you to consider the legacy you'll be leaving.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Fiji Shook.
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You may go ahead.
02:16:55.395 --> 02:16:56.228
Hi.
02:16:56.228 --> 02:16:58.538
My name is Fiji Shook and I live in Rancho Palo Verde
02:16:58.538 --> 02:17:00.456
and we've had rooftop solar panels on our house
02:17:00.456 --> 02:17:02.167
for about 16 years.
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We're the first in our neighborhood to get 'em.
02:17:04.173 --> 02:17:05.937
It was the best investor we ever made.
02:17:05.937 --> 02:17:08.024
We encourage everyone to get them.
02:17:08.024 --> 02:17:11.074
I'm here to voice our concerns with even
02:17:11.074 --> 02:17:12.260
the thought of a solar tax event,
02:17:12.260 --> 02:17:14.027
any kind solar needs to be affordable
02:17:14.027 --> 02:17:15.826
to all households and encouraged,
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not discouraged as the tax will surely do.
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Please honor the existing 20 year protection for solar use.
02:17:22.644 --> 02:17:25.990
It's absolutely shameful that we even have to ask for that.
02:17:25.990 --> 02:17:27.953
We generate clean electricity for ourselves
02:17:27.953 --> 02:17:29.264
and our neighbors with minimal
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electrical transmission loss.
02:17:31.103 --> 02:17:32.826
How efficient is that?
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We need to know your position on the solar tax
02:17:34.913 --> 02:17:37.920
so we can all move forward with our action plans.
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Your own website says your agency is dedicated
02:17:40.115 --> 02:17:42.948
to ensuring a safe, reliable utility service
02:17:42.948 --> 02:17:45.966
at reasonable rates protecting against fraud
02:17:45.966 --> 02:17:48.463
and promoting the health of California's economy.
02:17:48.463 --> 02:17:51.331
A solar tax is counterproductive to your goals.
02:17:51.331 --> 02:17:54.012
As you know, households get paid
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from Edison for the electricity we generate
02:17:55.829 --> 02:17:58.737
and they turn around and sell it for a much higher price.
02:17:58.737 --> 02:18:00.986
Now the monopolies are pushing for a solar tax.
02:18:00.986 --> 02:18:01.819
(bell ringing)
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(indistinct)
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Sam Johnson.
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You may go ahead.
02:18:14.703 --> 02:18:16.308
Hi, thank you.
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Yeah, I guess it's still a head scratcher to me,
02:18:18.717 --> 02:18:21.653
how we're kinda having this conversation still
02:18:21.653 --> 02:18:25.033
since all the information and data out there
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really makes this an obvious situation
02:18:27.113 --> 02:18:29.412
and it's not one of good will or rationale,
02:18:29.412 --> 02:18:32.174
but really just a, an attempt to destroy an industry
02:18:32.174 --> 02:18:35.040
that's important to obviously a huge percentage
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of Californians and people in general.
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So, obviously vote no to NEM metering three,
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everybody on this call is a very intelligent person
02:18:43.527 --> 02:18:45.704
and clearly there is no goodwill
02:18:45.704 --> 02:18:48.319
rationale behind supporting it.
02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:50.403
So it really begs the question,
02:18:50.403 --> 02:18:52.565
why are we still having a conversation?
02:18:52.565 --> 02:18:54.247
So do the right thing,
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and do what's right for the people
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as you're called to do.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
02:18:59.435 --> 02:19:01.852
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is David Robinson.
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You may go ahead.
02:19:07.692 --> 02:19:08.525
Yes.
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I'm a long time customer of solar.
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I bought, I put solar in 2011
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and it's been a fantastic thing for my home
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and for our budget.
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And the idea that you can't plan to add solar.
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If you're thinking about getting a heat pump
02:19:28.301 --> 02:19:33.301
or electric car really puts people behind the eight ball,
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you really gotta make a choice here.
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You're choosing winners and that's the utilities
02:19:38.633 --> 02:19:40.987
and these losers of the consumers.
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And you guys are supposed
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to be standing up for the consumers.
02:19:44.348 --> 02:19:46.029
You're not supposed to be in the back pocket
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of the IDEW and the big utilities.
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So, I urge you to vote no on NEM 3.0.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Jeff Griffith.
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You may go ahead.
02:20:08.909 --> 02:20:10.261
Hey, thank you for listening to me.
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My name's Jeff Griffith,
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I live in San Diego county.
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I'm retired fire captain.
02:20:15.507 --> 02:20:17.993
The fires about 30 years ago
02:20:17.993 --> 02:20:20.160
are different than the fires today.
02:20:20.160 --> 02:20:21.963
When I received my paramedic license,
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I did a rotation through paradise hospital.
02:20:25.179 --> 02:20:26.893
The hospital along with an entire community
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of paradise has been devastated by wildfire.
02:20:30.737 --> 02:20:33.838
We need to go forward with, from top fire.
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I oppose any changes in reimbursement rates.
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And the thing is the state of Florida just passed this.
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It was sponsored by Republican state Senator.
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We should be better than the state of Florida.
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We are a state of California.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
02:20:51.034 --> 02:20:53.451
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Glen Duma.
02:20:56.598 --> 02:20:57.698
You may go ahead.
02:20:57.698 --> 02:20:58.799
Yes.
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I renovated my small Santa Monica home
02:21:01.253 --> 02:21:02.922
in 2019 because climate change
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had made an unlivable, many hot days forcing
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me to spend all my time in the one room
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where I had put a window air conditioner.
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As a retired senior I'm 74,
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my very survival was at stake.
02:21:13.688 --> 02:21:16.102
So, I installed all electric appliances
02:21:16.102 --> 02:21:18.642
and central HVAC air and heat investing
02:21:18.642 --> 02:21:20.193
in solar panels on the roof
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to support the increased energy usage.
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Under the current surcharge proposal.
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My electric bill would be about twice
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what it was before I ditched my gas stove,
02:21:30.199 --> 02:21:32.940
dryer and wall heater and wet all electric
02:21:32.940 --> 02:21:35.925
effectively punishing me for doing so.
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How is that fair?
02:21:37.272 --> 02:21:40.131
The proposed kilowatt surcharge is an unacceptable
02:21:40.131 --> 02:21:41.852
overreach and a breach of faith.
02:21:41.852 --> 02:21:43.185
With those who have tried to support
02:21:43.185 --> 02:21:45.684
California's response to climate change,
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please reject the surcharge and thank you very much.
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Thank you.
02:21:50.665 --> 02:21:53.082
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Bob Chipola.
02:21:57.003 --> 02:21:59.144
You may go ahead.
02:21:59.144 --> 02:21:59.977
Hello.
02:21:59.977 --> 02:22:01.990
At 70 years old, I rebuilt our home.
02:22:01.990 --> 02:22:06.180
After the 2017 tubs fire destroyed our neighborhood.
02:22:06.180 --> 02:22:09.299
The rebuilt process was tough with half of our old neighbors
02:22:09.299 --> 02:22:11.188
leaving instead of staying to fight
02:22:11.188 --> 02:22:13.341
for recovery of their homes.
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We all just wanted to go back home.
02:22:16.302 --> 02:22:19.462
The 2018 advanced energy rebuild program
02:22:19.462 --> 02:22:22.466
approved by the CPUC encouraged me
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to create an energy efficient
02:22:24.271 --> 02:22:27.243
state of the art carbon saving home.
02:22:27.243 --> 02:22:30.278
Ours is a solar powered home with battery storage,
02:22:30.278 --> 02:22:33.711
which generates more electricity than it uses.
02:22:33.711 --> 02:22:34.813
To increase profits,
02:22:34.813 --> 02:22:36.714
the large utilities are trying to reduce
02:22:36.714 --> 02:22:38.740
incentives for rooftop solar,
02:22:38.740 --> 02:22:42.468
and to reduce payments for excess power sent to the grid.
02:22:42.468 --> 02:22:45.345
Now is not the time to go backward.
02:22:45.345 --> 02:22:49.407
If zero net carbon and zero net energy are our goals.
02:22:49.407 --> 02:22:51.526
All electric homes with rooftop solar
02:22:51.526 --> 02:22:54.263
is the future of California.
02:22:54.263 --> 02:22:56.955
Governor Newsom, are you listening?
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CPUC members, are you listening?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
02:23:02.634 --> 02:23:05.051
Operator, next caller please.
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And Our next caller is Robert Grayson
02:23:11.285 --> 02:23:12.598
with blue sky solar.
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You may go ahead.
02:23:15.559 --> 02:23:16.871
After earning my degree
02:23:16.871 --> 02:23:17.880
in Environmental Biology,
02:23:17.880 --> 02:23:22.100
I embarked upon a 17 year career in solar.
02:23:22.100 --> 02:23:23.623
During which time I have trained
02:23:23.623 --> 02:23:26.511
many individuals into a good paying career
02:23:26.511 --> 02:23:28.148
in the state of California,
02:23:28.148 --> 02:23:32.369
bolstering our economy while helping to increase
02:23:32.369 --> 02:23:36.254
the quality of life for over 600 rooftop solar customers.
02:23:36.254 --> 02:23:38.879
The measure before this body would threaten
02:23:38.879 --> 02:23:41.042
all those jobs, all those gains,
02:23:41.042 --> 02:23:46.042
it would threaten to un-employ thousands of Californians
02:23:46.207 --> 02:23:48.706
and harm hundreds of thousands more
02:23:48.706 --> 02:23:51.447
while harming the environment and our economy.
02:23:51.447 --> 02:23:55.731
Please, I beg you consider supporting rooftop solar
02:23:55.731 --> 02:23:57.369
instead of assaulting it.
02:23:57.369 --> 02:23:59.249
Thank you very much.
02:23:59.249 --> 02:24:00.214
Thank you.
02:24:00.214 --> 02:24:02.631
Operator, next caller please.
02:24:05.601 --> 02:24:08.599
Our next caller is Marion Gala.
02:24:08.599 --> 02:24:09.932
You may go ahead
02:24:16.248 --> 02:24:17.748
Again Marion Gala.
02:24:18.611 --> 02:24:20.746
Your line is open. We're not able to hear you.
02:24:20.746 --> 02:24:23.079
Please check your me button.
02:24:32.843 --> 02:24:34.817
And should we go to the next caller?
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Yes, please do operator.
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Thank you.
02:24:37.448 --> 02:24:38.644
Hello?
02:24:38.644 --> 02:24:39.477
Okay.
02:24:39.477 --> 02:24:40.646
My name is Marion Gala
02:24:40.646 --> 02:24:45.029
and I'm a resident of Elecerburn, California.
02:24:45.029 --> 02:24:48.166
I invested in solar panels two years ago,
02:24:48.166 --> 02:24:50.693
centralizing our cooperation
02:24:50.693 --> 02:24:53.776
and with the government to use solar.
02:24:54.658 --> 02:24:56.001
It's not only unfair,
02:24:56.001 --> 02:24:58.612
but accrual betrayal of the trust
02:24:58.612 --> 02:25:01.307
we had put in the state of California.
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My objections to this NEM proposal are as follows.
02:25:05.711 --> 02:25:08.739
Number one, this discourage is more people
02:25:08.739 --> 02:25:10.786
to participate in the solar program
02:25:10.786 --> 02:25:15.036
rather than incentivize more people to do so.
02:25:15.036 --> 02:25:19.354
Number two, taxing solar users or making them
02:25:19.354 --> 02:25:22.377
pay more seems to be the most illogical
02:25:22.377 --> 02:25:24.460
and nonsensical strategy.
02:25:26.072 --> 02:25:28.892
Externalizing them rather than rewarding them
02:25:28.892 --> 02:25:31.937
for their cooperation, investment and sacrifice.
02:25:31.937 --> 02:25:34.713
In short, this is the most counterproductive move
02:25:34.713 --> 02:25:36.670
California will ever have.
02:25:36.670 --> 02:25:40.459
If it wants to achieve clean energy and clean environment.
02:25:40.459 --> 02:25:43.892
Number three, this is an additional financial burden--
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(bell ringing)
02:25:47.075 --> 02:25:47.970
Thank you.
02:25:47.970 --> 02:25:49.520
Thank you for your comment.
02:25:49.520 --> 02:25:52.714
Operator, next caller please.
02:25:52.714 --> 02:25:55.537
Our next caller is Karen Cue.
02:25:55.537 --> 02:25:56.370
Your line is open.
02:25:56.370 --> 02:25:57.213
You may go ahead.
02:25:57.213 --> 02:25:58.046
Thank you.
02:25:58.046 --> 02:26:01.053
My name is Karen Cue and I live in Bellina, California.
02:26:01.053 --> 02:26:04.237
I'm 75 years old and we've had solar's panels
02:26:04.237 --> 02:26:06.154
on our roof since 2005.
02:26:07.402 --> 02:26:09.337
I don't usually speak out,
02:26:09.337 --> 02:26:11.422
but I feel so strongly about this,
02:26:11.422 --> 02:26:13.891
that I'm calling today to urge you
02:26:13.891 --> 02:26:18.576
to reject the proposal NEM 3.0 and to do three things.
02:26:18.576 --> 02:26:22.707
One is to have no solar tax of any kind.
02:26:22.707 --> 02:26:25.641
Two is to strive to make solar more,
02:26:25.641 --> 02:26:28.948
not less affordable for all Californians
02:26:28.948 --> 02:26:31.154
and three to honor that existing
02:26:31.154 --> 02:26:33.571
20 year protection for solar users.
02:26:33.571 --> 02:26:36.158
My reasons for speaking out today are many
02:26:36.158 --> 02:26:38.146
from equity to energy independence,
02:26:38.146 --> 02:26:40.842
but most of all is that rooftop solar
02:26:40.842 --> 02:26:43.294
reduces the needed developed large solar
02:26:43.294 --> 02:26:46.581
and wind farms and transmission lines.
02:26:46.581 --> 02:26:48.938
Please move immediately with a clear timeline
02:26:48.938 --> 02:26:52.286
to protect rooftop solar battery storage jobs,
02:26:52.286 --> 02:26:54.253
help more people get rooftop solar,
02:26:54.253 --> 02:26:57.028
reduce the cost of long distance power lines
02:26:57.028 --> 02:27:01.202
and protect our open space and our climate.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
02:27:05.545 --> 02:27:07.795
Operator, next call please.
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Our next caller is Billy Eliza.
02:27:13.592 --> 02:27:15.009
You may go ahead.
02:27:16.579 --> 02:27:17.412
Hi,
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Billy Eliza from Chico, California,
02:27:19.896 --> 02:27:21.233
that's in the county of Butte.
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I previously lived in paradise until my home
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and our entire town were damaged
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in the 2018 campfire caused by PG&E.
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We had to use every penny we had to purchase
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another home here in Chico after the campfire.
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And the first thing we did was put on
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a new roof and install solar panel.
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We knew we would not be able to afford
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the high cost of electricity
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along with a much higher mortgage living in Chico.
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Solar was supposed to be a long term investment
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to us save money while helping the environment
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in the state of California.
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Now the CPUC wants to penalize us by charging us
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an additional monthly fee for having solar/
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$57 per month is not a small fee
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that's money that could be used
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to put food on the table and gas in our cars.
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In addition, you're trying to eliminate
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the 80% of the solar credit that users get
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for sharing our surplus of solar energy.
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Slashing the--
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(bell ringing)
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metering credit by 80% will destroy bill savings
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for solars and make it non affordable
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for low income and regular income family.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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You made that next caller-- (indistinct)
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Our next caller is Mike Johnson
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with the Ventura city council.
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You may go ahead.
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Thank you anonymous operator,
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Mike Johnson, Ventura city council
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calling about the SoCalGas compressor station.
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Next that decided next to a title one elementary school
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in a predominantly Spanish speaking
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low resource area, a Ventura.
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As a city, we have an obligation to protect
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our residents and things happen
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at the current compressor site
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that can tie up half our fire engines for example.
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We have to pay to develop a plan
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for emergencies at the compressor station.
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The city and county and our residents
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are shouldering huge external costs,
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a full EIR would make all that plane
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and examine alternatives
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meetings in a luxury hotel which is kinda the point.
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Please don't shift costs to our residents
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or the city or county.
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When the externalities get priced into rates.
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When customers come a little closer to paying
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the actual cost of their gas,
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some will invest in upgrading
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or replacing outdated equipment,
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reducing their reliance on fossil fuels
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and it will pay off.
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That's good for everybody,
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a shiny new station across the river.
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Nobody loses.
02:29:58.904 --> 02:30:02.138
I'm confident the full EIR would prove that.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Johnson.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Nore Colick.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, my husband and I are retirees
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living in LaQuinta in the Sunny Desert
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of the Coachella valley.
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In 2016, we had to battle with our utility company,
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Imperial irrigation district to honor our net majoring
02:30:25.149 --> 02:30:28.140
contract for our newly installed rooftop solar.
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We were one of the last family allowed into the program,
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and now it is not cost effective to install rooftop solar
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in the IID service area.
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Rooftop solar is clean, renewable energy,
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sorry, getting nervous.
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And all California utilities should move into the future
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and adapt their business practices
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to fairly compensate folks doing their part
02:30:48.981 --> 02:30:51.298
to the outta climate change.
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Those of us that do have rooftop solar
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should not be penalized for investing
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our hard earned money and a product
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that will improve the health of our planet.
02:30:58.924 --> 02:31:00.903
So that future generations including
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our three beautiful grandchildren can thrive here.
02:31:04.011 --> 02:31:06.153
IIDs squashed future growth
02:31:06.153 --> 02:31:08.001
of rooftop solar in our community.
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Please don't let that happen to the rest of California.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Martin Haynes.
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You may go ahead.
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Yes.
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This is Martin Haynes live in Placentia,
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North Orange County.
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I was a science major and a science teacher
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and learned 53 years ago,
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a university that we could power the earth
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by capturing only a small part of the sun's energy.
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And that's why on my mind ever since
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so very early on, when they became available
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I decided to install solar panels,
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to reduce the load on the overburdened SCE
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to save money for me and my family,
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and to help the environment by doing so.
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And it's been a win, win, win all the way around.
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There should be no solar tax of any kind,
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the only incentives for the population
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to install solar panels.
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It helps everyone, all of us in the long run.
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The idea that solar panel owners
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are costing non solar customers
02:32:04.083 --> 02:32:07.023
more is a red herring of the first order.
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It's just not true.
02:32:09.428 --> 02:32:12.557
The anti-solar message is deceptive propaganda.
02:32:12.557 --> 02:32:14.678
It's divisive, it's false.
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And it's misleading.
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Considering all the jobs provided by the solar industry,
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the independence provided to customers
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and the benefit TO environment and society in general.
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Make it clear.
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There should be no solar taxes any kind, only incentives.
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Move backward, not or move forward, not backward.
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Please reject this proposal.
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Thank you for listening to all this,
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(bell ringing) goodbye.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Karen Schultz.
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You may go ahead
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Again, Karen Schultz.
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Your line is open.
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You may go ahead,
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please check your mute button.
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Sorry.
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I didn't release the mute.
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This is Karen Schultz.
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I live in Whittier, California.
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I am for no solar taxes ever
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and rather than repeat everything
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that everybody said in my script that I wrote,
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I just want to agree with everyone that is against taxes.
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And I think that Governor Newsom
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should take a public stand against solar tax
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and make it known to all of us
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so we can support him.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
02:33:34.405 --> 02:33:37.534
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Carlos Ford.
02:33:40.066 --> 02:33:42.029
You may go ahead.
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Yes.
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This is Carlos Ford.
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I live in Stockton and I have just put solar on my roof
02:33:48.639 --> 02:33:53.063
with the batteries to try and cut down my PG&E bill.
02:33:53.063 --> 02:33:56.657
I'm tired of paying them higher rates
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so that they can use that money to pay for their fines
02:34:00.494 --> 02:34:02.994
rather than using the profits.
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I do not believe we should tax solar.
02:34:07.721 --> 02:34:11.501
We need to make it more affordable for everybody.
02:34:11.501 --> 02:34:14.367
Climate change is going to make this drought
02:34:14.367 --> 02:34:16.282
and everything worse,
02:34:16.282 --> 02:34:19.593
and we will not be fighting over oil
02:34:19.593 --> 02:34:21.354
in the future if we don't,
02:34:21.354 --> 02:34:24.871
we'll be fighting over water and food.
02:34:24.871 --> 02:34:27.167
We need to make sure that solar
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is available for all and affordable.
02:34:30.514 --> 02:34:31.347
Thank you.
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Thank you.
02:34:33.379 --> 02:34:35.796
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is--
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Just brief(indistinct)
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You may go ahead.
02:34:46.478 --> 02:34:48.179
Your line is open.
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Yeah, good afternoon.
02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:50.025
I'm just (indistinct),
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I'm a homeowner in Ferry of Cypress.
02:34:52.579 --> 02:34:53.749
Our state is leading the country
02:34:53.749 --> 02:34:57.315
in implementation of renewable sources, energy.
02:34:57.315 --> 02:34:58.709
I believe everybody knows that, right?
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California has mandated rooftop solar on all new homes.
02:35:02.749 --> 02:35:06.912
I myself have invested $20,000 rooftop solar.
02:35:06.912 --> 02:35:08.749
So, instead of moving in the right direction,
02:35:08.749 --> 02:35:10.059
we are trying to punish the people
02:35:10.059 --> 02:35:12.025
who have invested in solar energy
02:35:12.025 --> 02:35:15.293
by slapping solar fee you're taxing them.
02:35:15.293 --> 02:35:17.980
We should encourage more and more people to get solar
02:35:17.980 --> 02:35:20.795
so that it solves the energy problems of our state.
02:35:20.795 --> 02:35:22.475
Make shortages and outages.
02:35:22.475 --> 02:35:23.781
Think of the past.
02:35:23.781 --> 02:35:26.401
We should make solar energy more affordable
02:35:26.401 --> 02:35:28.736
for everybody, not more expensive.
02:35:28.736 --> 02:35:30.788
If we do not move in the right direction
02:35:30.788 --> 02:35:32.544
or we move in the opposite direction,
02:35:32.544 --> 02:35:34.827
then general public will be forced
02:35:34.827 --> 02:35:38.233
to go off grid and have complete independence
02:35:38.233 --> 02:35:40.217
from utility companies.
02:35:40.217 --> 02:35:41.888
I hope we will move in the right direction
02:35:41.888 --> 02:35:43.630
and reject NEM three revision
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for solar tax and also honor, 20 year protection.
02:35:47.168 --> 02:35:49.372
Have you heard a single person
02:35:49.372 --> 02:35:50.557
in favor of this NEM revision?
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None.
02:35:51.712 --> 02:35:53.188
Nobody supports it.
02:35:53.188 --> 02:35:54.299
I hope you make notice.
02:35:54.299 --> 02:35:55.243
(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
02:35:56.511 --> 02:35:57.344
Thank you.
02:35:57.344 --> 02:35:58.179
Thank you for your comment.
02:35:58.179 --> 02:36:01.400
Operator, next caller please.
02:36:01.400 --> 02:36:03.317
Our next caller is Tom O'Connor.
02:36:03.317 --> 02:36:04.734
You may go ahead.
02:36:05.727 --> 02:36:06.694
Good afternoon.
02:36:06.694 --> 02:36:08.279
I'm a homeowner in Laguna De Go.
02:36:08.279 --> 02:36:09.950
I am not a affiliated in the solar
02:36:09.950 --> 02:36:11.576
construction or utilities.
02:36:11.576 --> 02:36:13.361
Commissioners, I encourage you to see
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your roles very broadly and to fully step
02:36:16.459 --> 02:36:18.821
into that role as advocate for the public.
02:36:18.821 --> 02:36:20.134
The world is changing.
02:36:20.134 --> 02:36:22.717
Distributed power generation is now lower cost
02:36:22.717 --> 02:36:24.444
than the centralized system.
02:36:24.444 --> 02:36:25.989
Even without any subsidies,
02:36:25.989 --> 02:36:28.077
like it or not, there will inevitably
02:36:28.077 --> 02:36:31.067
be increased local power generation.
02:36:31.067 --> 02:36:32.703
Let's figure out how to distribute it
02:36:32.703 --> 02:36:34.462
through the existing statewide grid.
02:36:34.462 --> 02:36:36.794
This will reduce the need for centralized investment
02:36:36.794 --> 02:36:39.046
and reduce the burden on all taxpayers.
02:36:39.046 --> 02:36:41.424
There is a need for universal access,
02:36:41.424 --> 02:36:44.808
but I urge you to separate the cost of generation
02:36:44.808 --> 02:36:46.574
from the cost of transmission
02:36:46.574 --> 02:36:49.935
and price each one separately and fairly.
02:36:49.935 --> 02:36:53.200
Forget this incremental self-serving NEM three proposal.
02:36:53.200 --> 02:36:56.830
It's like taxing the railroads to protect the pony express.
02:36:56.830 --> 02:36:59.323
I suggest you spread the cost of the distribution system
02:36:59.323 --> 02:37:02.105
directly and explicitly across all users,
02:37:02.105 --> 02:37:04.850
including commercial customers who connect to the grid,
02:37:04.850 --> 02:37:06.819
maybe a flat monthly charge with exemption
02:37:06.819 --> 02:37:08.085
for lower income clients.
02:37:08.085 --> 02:37:10.664
This is about connection not generation,
02:37:10.664 --> 02:37:11.814
then charge intelligently for the power.
02:37:11.814 --> 02:37:12.922
(bell ringing)
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Sure make..
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Thank you.
02:37:15.338 --> 02:37:16.171
Thank you.
02:37:16.171 --> 02:37:17.004
Thank you for your comment.
02:37:17.004 --> 02:37:18.943
Operator, next caller please.
02:37:18.943 --> 02:37:20.667
Our next caller is Terry One.
02:37:20.667 --> 02:37:22.167
Your line is open.
02:37:25.247 --> 02:37:26.080
Hello?
02:37:26.080 --> 02:37:27.159
Can you hear me?
02:37:27.159 --> 02:37:28.326
Yes, we can.
02:37:29.918 --> 02:37:31.359
As an owner of solar,
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I think actually save a lot of money before this policy
02:37:38.045 --> 02:37:41.595
come out and absolutely give great things
02:37:41.595 --> 02:37:45.512
for our environment, but you can still come out
02:37:48.239 --> 02:37:51.322
with this policy around cost me a lot
02:37:52.482 --> 02:37:56.682
and I think we should take the advantage of California,
02:37:56.682 --> 02:37:59.260
which have if I agree,
02:37:59.260 --> 02:38:03.093
sunshine and protect our environment together.
02:38:04.741 --> 02:38:09.056
So, it not make sense for customer to support the policy.
02:38:09.056 --> 02:38:10.757
So, please do not make this.
02:38:10.757 --> 02:38:12.406
Thank you.
02:38:12.406 --> 02:38:13.246
Thank you.
02:38:13.246 --> 02:38:15.651
Operator, next caller please.
02:38:15.651 --> 02:38:17.404
Our next caller is Paul Sullivan.
02:38:17.404 --> 02:38:18.904
Your line is open.
02:38:20.995 --> 02:38:21.828
Yeah.
02:38:21.828 --> 02:38:23.431
Hi, good morning everybody,
02:38:23.431 --> 02:38:24.396
Or afternoon everyone.
02:38:24.396 --> 02:38:26.129
My name is Paul Sullivan and I've been
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in the industry for 17 years.
02:38:28.200 --> 02:38:30.990
I've helped thousands of customers from all walks
02:38:30.990 --> 02:38:33.935
make a difference in their lives by going solar.
02:38:33.935 --> 02:38:36.874
I don't think one is billionaires as the utilities suggest.
02:38:36.874 --> 02:38:38.877
I've also helped dozens of solar workers
02:38:38.877 --> 02:38:41.343
make a good living and take care of their families.
02:38:41.343 --> 02:38:43.717
I urge you to eliminate the additional fees
02:38:43.717 --> 02:38:46.011
of solar tax and propose a plan
02:38:46.011 --> 02:38:48.549
that keeps California's leadership in renewable energy
02:38:48.549 --> 02:38:51.777
and to save the livelihoods of more than 60,000
02:38:51.777 --> 02:38:53.720
solar workers in our great state.
02:38:53.720 --> 02:38:54.553
Thank you.
02:38:54.553 --> 02:38:56.302
And please take into account all of the other
02:38:56.302 --> 02:38:58.213
great comments that people have made today.
02:38:58.213 --> 02:38:59.046
Thank you.
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Thank you.
02:39:00.996 --> 02:39:03.011
Operator, next caller please.
02:39:03.011 --> 02:39:04.997
Our next caller is Neste Nury.
02:39:04.997 --> 02:39:06.497
Your line is open.
02:39:11.887 --> 02:39:14.046
Hi, my name is Neste Nury
02:39:14.046 --> 02:39:17.276
from San Jose, the land of the Muwekma Ohlone Tribe tribe.
02:39:17.276 --> 02:39:20.379
I represent the green party of Santa Clara County
02:39:20.379 --> 02:39:24.422
and we strongly oppose any solar tax and consumers
02:39:24.422 --> 02:39:26.263
at a time where our state claims
02:39:26.263 --> 02:39:29.485
this deep commitment to addressing the climate crisis
02:39:29.485 --> 02:39:31.281
and also insists on addressing
02:39:31.281 --> 02:39:33.484
the vast inequities in California.
02:39:33.484 --> 02:39:36.055
We simply cannot allow the burden of switching
02:39:36.055 --> 02:39:38.867
to solar to fall on the same middle
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and lower income working families
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that are burdened by those inequities.
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A solar tax makes installing and using solar
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much less affordable to people.
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The state should be making it easier and more affordable
02:39:51.976 --> 02:39:55.150
too far more Californians so that the state
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can actually save money over time
02:39:56.913 --> 02:39:59.687
through a larger scale switch to rooftop solar.
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The health of our communities and of our planet
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are too important to jeopardize
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with uninformed bias policies that target tax rate,
02:40:08.635 --> 02:40:10.556
taxpayers and rate payers,
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and also benefit only corporate benefits.
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We urge you to listen to the over 140,000 people
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that have all told you and asked you
02:40:22.215 --> 02:40:25.103
to commit to transparency, to deliver on your mandate,
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to protect rate payers and consumers,
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to honor the promises made to existing solar users
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and also to oppose any type of solar tax.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Randy Katz.
02:40:40.581 --> 02:40:42.081
Your line is open.
02:40:43.845 --> 02:40:44.678
Hello.
02:40:44.678 --> 02:40:45.524
My name is Randy Katz,
02:40:45.524 --> 02:40:47.658
a retired professor of engineering
02:40:47.658 --> 02:40:51.009
and former vice chancellor for research at UCBerkeley.
02:40:51.009 --> 02:40:52.728
I live in San Rafael and purchased
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a rooftop solar system last fall,
02:40:57.009 --> 02:40:59.183
and it was became operational in late January.
02:40:59.183 --> 02:41:03.218
Our electric bill went from $170 to $10.
02:41:03.218 --> 02:41:06.292
Given the dramatic rise in energy prices worldwide
02:41:06.292 --> 02:41:09.641
this is an incredible savings for this retiree.
02:41:09.641 --> 02:41:12.329
for California to meet its current and future energy needs,
02:41:12.329 --> 02:41:14.964
the solution is distributed generation
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made possible by rooftop residential solar.
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When I look around at my neighbor's roofs,
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I see lots of opportunity to expand
02:41:22.504 --> 02:41:25.370
the state's distributed generation capacity.
02:41:25.370 --> 02:41:27.186
All we need is continued incentives
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to convince those neighbors to deploy solar now.
02:41:31.439 --> 02:41:33.287
It is good for jobs.
02:41:33.287 --> 02:41:35.240
It is good for the economy.
02:41:35.240 --> 02:41:36.794
It is good for the environment.
02:41:36.794 --> 02:41:38.443
It is good for the climate.
02:41:38.443 --> 02:41:40.419
Thank you for your time today.
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Thank you.
02:41:41.540 --> 02:41:44.658
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Rick Enrique.
02:41:47.319 --> 02:41:48.819
Your line is open.
02:41:52.429 --> 02:41:54.875
Hi, my name is Rick Enrique
02:41:54.875 --> 02:41:59.002
and I work for Sunrise in San Francisco.
02:41:59.002 --> 02:42:01.774
I like my solar career because it gives me
02:42:01.774 --> 02:42:05.286
a good way to earn a living while helping
02:42:05.286 --> 02:42:09.036
the community to move away from fossil fuels.
02:42:10.513 --> 02:42:13.513
I've worked in solar for five years.
02:42:14.507 --> 02:42:17.924
This NEM three proposal would kill my job
02:42:18.962 --> 02:42:23.851
and it would be a disaster for the people of California.
02:42:23.851 --> 02:42:28.851
I very strongly urge you to reject this NEM three proposal.
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Thank you.
02:42:31.558 --> 02:42:32.391
Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Richard Robinson.
02:42:36.388 --> 02:42:37.888
Your line is open.
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Richard Robinson, your line is open.
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[Richard Robinson] Hi...
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Our...
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[Richard Robinson] Am I here?
02:42:52.662 --> 02:42:54.368
Yes, we can hear you.
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[Richard Robinson] Okay.
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I'm retired on a fixed income.
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We spent some of our savings on a solar system
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to try to inflation proof that part of our bills,
02:43:03.934 --> 02:43:06.159
as you know, inflation is hitting all of us
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but especially the retired,
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any change to the current solar agreements
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would make my investment worthless.
02:43:13.421 --> 02:43:16.337
It would make my solar system a liability
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when I need to sell my home.
02:43:18.459 --> 02:43:20.217
Requiring solar on new homes
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and then making those solar systems
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a liability is unethical.
02:43:24.674 --> 02:43:28.141
Solar will cost more than it will ever repay.
02:43:28.141 --> 02:43:30.956
With a gallon of gas hitting $6,
02:43:30.956 --> 02:43:34.802
electric cars will soon outsell gas cars.
02:43:34.802 --> 02:43:38.606
California will need all the electricity it can get.
02:43:38.606 --> 02:43:41.879
With the drought and removal of some hydroelectric dams.
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Hydro will supply less and less of our electric needs.
02:43:45.888 --> 02:43:47.888
Solar is the answer, not the problem.
02:43:47.888 --> 02:43:49.603
Please make it more affordable.
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Do not tax it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Helen Couture Rodriguez.
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Your line is open.
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[Helen Couture Rodriguez] Hi,
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my name is Helen Couture Rodriguez
02:44:06.429 --> 02:44:09.955
and I work at American solar corporation.
02:44:09.955 --> 02:44:14.451
I've been in the solar business as a reentering Latina mom
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for last eight years now and an assault
02:44:19.528 --> 02:44:24.445
on rooftop solar distributed energy is an assault on women.
02:44:25.784 --> 02:44:28.718
And in honor of women's history month, this March,
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I ask you to support solar industry as the fastest growing
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employer in the United States
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and in the state of California of women.
02:44:37.160 --> 02:44:39.931
I think it's very important to take that into consideration
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as you're going through all of these comments.
02:44:44.070 --> 02:44:45.569
Let's reward, what's been built.
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Let's incentivize people who have put solar
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on their homes already and this will help us grow
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to the CEC goal that I know new Commissioner Reynolds
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is working very hard towards.
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Let's make sure that the penalties in placed
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on PG&E by CPUC for all of their negligence
02:45:05.558 --> 02:45:07.234
for the wildfires that have been caused,
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don't end up coming out of people's checking--
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
02:45:12.890 --> 02:45:13.723
Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Barbara Morton.
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Your line is open.
02:45:21.403 --> 02:45:22.719
Good afternoon.
02:45:22.719 --> 02:45:24.565
Your proposed changes to net metering,
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kill solar for many and unilaterally breaches the rules
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of a million solar owners that they accepted.
02:45:30.946 --> 02:45:33.439
If this happens, how can anyone trust you again?
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We can't.
02:45:34.337 --> 02:45:37.948
Your proposals or any consumer will fail to grow solar
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won't costs or get people to buy batteries.
02:45:40.514 --> 02:45:43.903
Most Californians want more affordable solar and batteries
02:45:43.903 --> 02:45:45.909
and your proposals fail to do that.
02:45:45.909 --> 02:45:48.447
They make solar more costly stunt solar growth
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and make the CPUC untrustworthy.
02:45:50.894 --> 02:45:53.275
You unilaterally breach the legacy period
02:45:53.275 --> 02:45:54.987
from 20 to 15 years.
02:45:54.987 --> 02:45:57.711
This breach would cause your GPC to start applying
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in 2023 major breach of trust here.
02:46:01.462 --> 02:46:04.078
Your GPC discriminates against solar owners
02:46:04.078 --> 02:46:06.746
because we produce our own energy
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rather than buy it from a utility.
02:46:08.822 --> 02:46:11.229
Your fee would be the biggest solar fee passed
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on any US regulated utility.
02:46:14.316 --> 02:46:16.059
Your fee would kill buying batteries
02:46:16.059 --> 02:46:18.671
and lower income people from going solar.
02:46:18.671 --> 02:46:22.423
How can this fee be legal as it is a non-cost based fee?
02:46:22.423 --> 02:46:25.935
ACC harms everyone current and all future solar owners
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and your proposals Go-Contra-SB-100.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Josephine Jefferds.
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Your line is open.
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[Josephine Jefferds] Josephine Jefferds San Diego.
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We are retired senior citizens living on a fixed income.
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We paid cash for our system last summer
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with savings that took years to set aside.
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It is a false statement that only the wealthy
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are installing solar systems.
02:46:52.729 --> 02:46:55.305
This was an expensive investment intended to drastically
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cut our 500 to $700 a month utility bill.
02:46:58.572 --> 02:47:00.482
Our decision to purchase was heavily based
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on our understanding of the net metering 2.0 plan
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in which we were being enrolled
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and were told that any future changes to NEM
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would not affect us,
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imposing an additional monthly charge
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now by moving everyone to a 3.0 plan
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is dishonest and unfair.
02:47:15.356 --> 02:47:18.579
It is a bait and switch by the state of California and CPUC
02:47:18.579 --> 02:47:20.953
and would be a huge hardship and betrayal
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to those who purchased under a previous program.
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It would null and void the whole purpose
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for which we spent this money to lower our energy bill.
02:47:28.008 --> 02:47:31.022
Today it's a proposal to change NEM to 3.0,
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what guarantees do we have if there is a future proposal
02:47:33.343 --> 02:47:35.568
for 4.0, where will it end?
02:47:35.568 --> 02:47:37.217
How long will it be before I find myself
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with a $500 utility bill--
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(bell ringing)
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that no longer charges for energy but is tax--
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Thank you.
Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Lionel Rodriguez.
02:47:47.586 --> 02:47:49.086
Your line is open.
02:47:53.980 --> 02:47:56.352
Check your mute button, Lionel Rodriguez.
02:47:56.352 --> 02:47:57.852
Your line is open.
02:48:00.511 --> 02:48:01.344
[Lionel Rodriguez] Thanks so much.
02:48:01.344 --> 02:48:04.230
I appreciate that to apologize for that.
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My name is Lionel Rodriguez.
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I work for older optimum in city of Glendale.
02:48:07.786 --> 02:48:09.216
I worked for the solar industry for about
02:48:09.216 --> 02:48:11.911
seven years and I love my career.
02:48:11.911 --> 02:48:13.487
It has supported my family of seven
02:48:13.487 --> 02:48:15.566
and allowed me to place my oldest daughter
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into college during typical time
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that we've had in the last two years,
02:48:19.254 --> 02:48:21.677
the proposal decision that has been brought to your
02:48:21.677 --> 02:48:24.585
attention will be extremely devastating to our family
02:48:24.585 --> 02:48:27.772
and the way of living, including the colleagues
02:48:27.772 --> 02:48:30.085
of the solar industry that we have currently
02:48:30.085 --> 02:48:33.752
about 20,000 jobs in the city of California.
02:48:35.877 --> 02:48:38.813
It is written that from everyone
02:48:38.813 --> 02:48:40.158
who has been given much,
02:48:40.158 --> 02:48:42.002
much has been demanded.
02:48:42.002 --> 02:48:46.085
And from those who have been entrusted with much,
02:48:47.313 --> 02:48:49.470
much more will be at.
02:48:49.470 --> 02:48:51.055
You must reject this proposal.
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Thank you, and God bless you all.
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Thank you.
02:48:54.372 --> 02:48:56.862
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Lori Oyia.
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Your line is open.
02:49:01.203 --> 02:49:03.331
Yeah. Hi, my name's Lori Oyia
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and I live in Fort Bragg, California.
02:49:05.791 --> 02:49:07.912
I find it disturbing that the CPUC
02:49:07.912 --> 02:49:11.095
is even considered making rooftop solar less affordable,
02:49:11.095 --> 02:49:14.152
and they that they have not resolved this issue.
02:49:14.152 --> 02:49:15.829
There's only one way to do this,
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ensure no solar tax and ensure rooftop solar
02:49:18.975 --> 02:49:22.728
is more affordable for working people, not less.
02:49:22.728 --> 02:49:24.484
In this time of climate change,
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energy uncertainty and the desire preserve
02:49:27.523 --> 02:49:31.342
open space in California, rooftop solar is critical.
02:49:31.342 --> 02:49:33.698
It has created a thriving industry
02:49:33.698 --> 02:49:36.758
in addition requiring solar and then taxing
02:49:36.758 --> 02:49:39.537
homeowners on it is completely unfair.
02:49:39.537 --> 02:49:41.741
The only winners from the NEM three proposal
02:49:41.741 --> 02:49:44.482
are utility companies that Commissioners
02:49:44.482 --> 02:49:46.037
has heard from hundreds of thousands
02:49:46.037 --> 02:49:48.369
of people who support rooftop solar.
02:49:48.369 --> 02:49:51.116
I implore them to do the right thing for the people,
02:49:51.116 --> 02:49:53.731
environment and for energy stability
02:49:53.731 --> 02:49:57.251
and reject the disastrous NEM three proposal
02:49:57.251 --> 02:50:00.431
which is nothing but a utility company power grab.
02:50:00.431 --> 02:50:01.658
And unless I missed something,
02:50:01.658 --> 02:50:03.623
not a single call today has supported
02:50:03.623 --> 02:50:05.136
the NEM three proposal.
02:50:05.136 --> 02:50:06.688
Thank you.
02:50:06.688 --> 02:50:07.583
Thank you.
02:50:07.583 --> 02:50:10.152
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is John Farnic.
02:50:12.118 --> 02:50:14.443
Your line is open.
02:50:14.443 --> 02:50:16.662
Yes.
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This is John Farnic from Long Beach.
02:50:19.475 --> 02:50:23.235
This NEM three is all about greed to lies
02:50:23.235 --> 02:50:27.318
and discrimination against saviors of our planet.
02:50:28.749 --> 02:50:31.582
The solar generators whom invested
02:50:33.198 --> 02:50:36.138
and most likely will never because of the lies
02:50:36.138 --> 02:50:40.109
already told recoup their investment fully.
02:50:40.109 --> 02:50:42.575
These proposals put an unfair burden
02:50:42.575 --> 02:50:45.658
on the solar generators even further,
02:50:46.660 --> 02:50:49.211
and whom have lightened the load
02:50:49.211 --> 02:50:52.039
for everybody not created one.
02:50:52.039 --> 02:50:55.480
There should be further equitable benefits
02:50:55.480 --> 02:50:56.708
for solar generators,
02:50:56.708 --> 02:51:00.509
not further thievery from the contrary
02:51:00.509 --> 02:51:04.176
to what they were promised by the utilities,
02:51:05.634 --> 02:51:08.741
changing their position because of their frauds
02:51:08.741 --> 02:51:11.991
and failure actions behind closed doors
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are acts of gangsters, not honest, competition and agencies.
02:51:17.676 --> 02:51:20.637
(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
02:51:23.035 --> 02:51:25.824
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Beverly Alexander.
02:51:27.693 --> 02:51:29.193
Your line is open.
02:51:30.360 --> 02:51:33.828
[Beverly Alexander] Thank you.
02:51:33.828 --> 02:51:36.086
For one thing, if everyone had solar
02:51:36.086 --> 02:51:38.388
there would be no need for transmission lines
02:51:38.388 --> 02:51:42.304
and there would be no fires caused by transmission lines.
02:51:42.304 --> 02:51:47.083
The elephant in the room is that PG&E is a corporation
02:51:47.083 --> 02:51:49.405
and they are obliged to put the profits
02:51:49.405 --> 02:51:52.062
of their shareholders first.
02:51:52.062 --> 02:51:55.145
We need you on the CPUC to protect us
02:51:56.470 --> 02:52:00.887
or else the State of California should take over PG&E
02:52:01.811 --> 02:52:04.370
and make it a public utility.
02:52:04.370 --> 02:52:07.481
Are you listening Governor Newsom?
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When we first got solar,
02:52:09.841 --> 02:52:11.952
we got a message from PG&E saying,
02:52:11.952 --> 02:52:15.227
we had saved over $300 in one year,
02:52:15.227 --> 02:52:18.305
but they were paying us $49 because
02:52:18.305 --> 02:52:20.397
that's what they would pay wholesale.
02:52:20.397 --> 02:52:24.488
That means they were getting a 600% markup.
02:52:24.488 --> 02:52:26.200
Does that makes sense.
02:52:26.200 --> 02:52:29.099
Is that good business practice?
02:52:29.099 --> 02:52:31.599
So, I went and bought us an EV
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and--
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Nera Salton.
02:52:43.767 --> 02:52:45.184
Your line is open
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Nera Salton, your line is open.
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Can you hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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I'm a homeowner in San Diego
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and I like virtually everyone who is speaking today.
02:53:02.825 --> 02:53:05.922
And at the last hearing am shocked and angry
02:53:05.922 --> 02:53:08.767
at the stunningly shortsighted anti-consumer
02:53:08.767 --> 02:53:11.697
job killing action the CPUC is considering.
02:53:11.697 --> 02:53:15.204
The proposals being considered will in no uncertain terms,
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kill rooftop solar in the state of California.
02:53:17.903 --> 02:53:19.813
Your actions are not supported by the vast,
02:53:19.813 --> 02:53:21.798
vast majority of the people of the state.
02:53:21.798 --> 02:53:24.631
What's more is virtually identical
02:53:26.491 --> 02:53:29.137
To what the Florida legislature passed last week,
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which was against what 84%
02:53:31.416 --> 02:53:32.980
of the people of that state wanted.
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This is not a coincidence.
02:53:34.292 --> 02:53:36.834
These are concerted actions by the powerful utility
02:53:36.834 --> 02:53:40.498
companies who want to extract every cent they possibly can.
02:53:40.498 --> 02:53:42.262
This is not what the people want,
02:53:42.262 --> 02:53:44.236
and these actions will not stand.
02:53:44.236 --> 02:53:45.980
If you want to see the people unite
02:53:45.980 --> 02:53:47.922
and revolt against this insanity,
02:53:47.922 --> 02:53:50.200
then by all means keep doing what you're doing.
02:53:50.200 --> 02:53:53.298
Fascinating to see you are modeling your action
02:53:53.298 --> 02:53:55.829
on that great progressive state of Florida.
02:53:55.829 --> 02:53:59.191
If Florida is your guide, Lord help us all.
02:53:59.191 --> 02:54:00.024
Thank you.
02:54:00.973 --> 02:54:01.855
Thank you.
02:54:01.855 --> 02:54:04.081
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Vidia Mertens.
02:54:06.412 --> 02:54:07.912
Your line is open.
02:54:09.688 --> 02:54:11.337
Hello.
02:54:11.337 --> 02:54:13.993
I'm sorry, I'm (indistinct)
02:54:13.993 --> 02:54:14.826
Hello.
02:54:14.826 --> 02:54:18.267
My name is Vidia Mertens of fast in Sonoma county.
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I am a proud owner of rooftop solar for 20 years.
02:54:22.270 --> 02:54:24.420
We also have multiple tools powered
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by electric batteries, not gas.
02:54:27.580 --> 02:54:31.497
I have a solar car, which is powered by the sun.
02:54:31.497 --> 02:54:34.342
Solar power has a cascade effect on many use
02:54:34.342 --> 02:54:35.592
of fossil fuel.
02:54:36.484 --> 02:54:39.330
A rate, a tax increase on rooftop solar
02:54:39.330 --> 02:54:40.642
will significantly decrease
02:54:40.642 --> 02:54:44.234
the solar energy produced in California.
02:54:44.234 --> 02:54:47.567
California needs solar power to decrease
02:54:48.674 --> 02:54:50.123
our use of fossil fuels
02:54:50.123 --> 02:54:52.944
whose use causes global warming.
02:54:52.944 --> 02:54:55.527
Rooftop solar is decentralized,
02:54:56.718 --> 02:54:59.307
is a decentralized power that will decrease
02:54:59.307 --> 02:55:03.557
global warming, provide power during power outages,
02:55:05.382 --> 02:55:09.007
decreases the risk of fire secondary to decrease
02:55:09.007 --> 02:55:12.961
transmission lines and helps us gain our--
02:55:12.961 --> 02:55:15.168
(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
02:55:17.540 --> 02:55:19.915
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller, Sandra Raisman.
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Your line is open.
02:55:24.643 --> 02:55:25.476
Yes.
02:55:25.476 --> 02:55:26.309
Hi, good afternoon.
02:55:26.309 --> 02:55:28.571
My name is Sandra Reisman from Berkeley, California,
02:55:28.571 --> 02:55:32.296
and I oppose the CPUC approving a solar tax on citizens,
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along with the other egregious items in this proposal.
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When the utilities cannot see beyond their century old
02:55:38.999 --> 02:55:41.045
business model or greed,
02:55:41.045 --> 02:55:43.367
I have two young kids and the cost
02:55:43.367 --> 02:55:45.003
of climate change to future generations
02:55:45.003 --> 02:55:49.132
is terrifying to me as it should be to all of us.
02:55:49.132 --> 02:55:50.687
And I consciously made a career change
02:55:50.687 --> 02:55:54.134
to solar 10 years ago for that very reason.
02:55:54.134 --> 02:55:57.150
I work at GAF Energy where we just launched
02:55:57.150 --> 02:55:59.356
the first mailable solar shingle,
02:55:59.356 --> 02:56:01.283
which is a huge opportunity for solar
02:56:01.283 --> 02:56:03.325
and California and homeowners.
02:56:03.325 --> 02:56:05.127
And in fact, we manufacture our products
02:56:05.127 --> 02:56:07.867
in San Jose where hundreds of jobs
02:56:07.867 --> 02:56:10.033
and growing and all of that is at risk.
02:56:10.033 --> 02:56:12.114
So, I ask that the Commission vote
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on behalf of the health and livelihood of Californians.
02:56:15.100 --> 02:56:17.352
You are elected to do so and reject
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the proposed NEM revision.
02:56:18.905 --> 02:56:20.421
Thank you.
02:56:20.421 --> 02:56:21.254
Thank you.
02:56:21.254 --> 02:56:23.410
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Gela Clayton.
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Your line is open.
02:56:27.768 --> 02:56:28.601
Yes.
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This is Gela Clayton.
02:56:29.434 --> 02:56:30.386
I'm from Leon valley,
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which is in Northern Los Angeles county.
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As a 75 year old widow on a fixed income.
02:56:35.521 --> 02:56:38.964
I sacrificed to purchase the solar panels
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in order to reduce my exorbitant electric bills.
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For example, during the summer I had two bills.
02:56:45.737 --> 02:56:48.915
This is the two, three years ago.
02:56:48.915 --> 02:56:53.332
At $650 plus, and the following year it was only 111.
02:56:54.412 --> 02:56:56.460
So, my solar didn't pay for all of it
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but it certainly did help.
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It would be unconscionable to tax
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solar owners and users more.
02:57:03.484 --> 02:57:05.731
We purchased in good faith.
02:57:05.731 --> 02:57:07.642
We feed our excess into the grid
02:57:07.642 --> 02:57:11.029
in order to reduce SES reliance on
02:57:11.029 --> 02:57:14.779
out-of-state costs for high energy use times,
02:57:16.956 --> 02:57:18.971
especially in the summertime.
02:57:18.971 --> 02:57:21.134
And we have had nothing but unending
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rate increases for many, many years.
02:57:24.499 --> 02:57:26.919
It's never gone down and it can't even
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be to be raised as much as it is.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your call.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Pretty Mather.
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Your line is open.
02:57:42.959 --> 02:57:44.638
Hi, my name is Pretty Mather.
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I'm a passionate solar home owner
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from Irvine California, CEC is my energy provider.
02:57:50.765 --> 02:57:52.771
My family house has a large solar system
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already eight kilowatts and I'm planning
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to upgrade to another 17 Kilowatt in a few months.
02:57:59.521 --> 02:58:02.592
With power volts batteries to reinstall.
02:58:02.592 --> 02:58:05.372
All my extended family members own five houses
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with solar system in Orange County.
02:58:07.902 --> 02:58:09.708
We have several electrical vehicles
02:58:09.708 --> 02:58:11.262
that we charge at our home,
02:58:11.262 --> 02:58:13.877
and this is only because we have solar panels.
02:58:13.877 --> 02:58:17.037
Please encourage largest solar systems and batteries
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for all Californians without any taxes.
02:58:20.345 --> 02:58:22.455
Please give incentives to Californians
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to increase solar energy.
02:58:24.587 --> 02:58:28.041
Please vote for California for positive
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solar energy environment, climate changes
02:58:31.444 --> 02:58:33.333
and clean green earth,
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especially after current worldwide situations.
02:58:36.441 --> 02:58:38.357
Please encourage solar systems,
02:58:38.357 --> 02:58:41.266
energy and power walls for Californians.
02:58:41.266 --> 02:58:42.862
Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Duncan Clemen Shaw.
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Your line is open.
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[Duncan Clemen Shaw] Hey Commissioners.
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Good afternoon.
02:58:54.861 --> 02:58:56.768
My name is Duncan Clemen Shaw of Alameda.
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I spent this morning on the front steps
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of the building you're in right now
02:59:00.424 --> 02:59:03.614
and I was surrounded by hundreds of Californians.
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All of whom are against NEM three,
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just as all of the callers today
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have been against NEM three.
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This is actually my 14th year feeding my family in solar.
02:59:13.260 --> 02:59:14.530
Like one of my fellow callers.
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I worked for GAF energy in San Jose,
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where we just finished building a brand new factory
02:59:20.790 --> 02:59:23.481
to make sure solar energy Shingles for your home's roof.
02:59:23.481 --> 02:59:24.990
We invite all of you to come on down
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and take a look at what we got going down there.
02:59:27.243 --> 02:59:28.469
And while other companies continue
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to take good manufacturing jobs out of California,
02:59:31.731 --> 02:59:33.897
we made the decision, Hey, California's our home.
02:59:33.897 --> 02:59:36.880
We put our stake in the ground right here.
02:59:36.880 --> 02:59:38.513
These are good paying meaningful
02:59:38.513 --> 02:59:40.485
high tech jobs, full benefits.
02:59:40.485 --> 02:59:42.572
You can raise a family, you can feed a family.
02:59:42.572 --> 02:59:44.120
You can keep a roof over your head.
02:59:44.120 --> 02:59:46.933
Our growing company has more than 175 employees.
02:59:46.933 --> 02:59:49.504
Most of us with families right here in the bay area.
02:59:49.504 --> 02:59:52.515
Our target is to be over 300 employees just this year
02:59:52.515 --> 02:59:54.561
and all of us are betting our livelihood
02:59:54.561 --> 02:59:57.212
and our future on rooftop solar in California.
02:59:57.212 --> 03:00:01.097
So, please don't let NEM three wipe out all of our jobs
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and all of our hardwork just as we--
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Robert Levering.
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Your line is open.
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Yes.
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My name is Robert Levering.
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I'm a 78 year old retired journalist.
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Seven years ago, we installed solar panels
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in our home own in Santa Cruz Mountains
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to do our part for the environment.
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Besides raising our PG&E bill,
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what upsets me most about the proposed solar tax
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is that it is part of a coordinated national effort
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to destroy the solar industry.
03:00:40.459 --> 03:00:42.132
That's being led by ALEC,
03:00:42.132 --> 03:00:45.033
the American Legislative Exchange Council
03:00:45.033 --> 03:00:48.016
funded in large part by the Koch brothers.
03:00:48.016 --> 03:00:50.914
They've spent millions of dollars since 2013
03:00:50.914 --> 03:00:53.997
to destroy solar, a direct competitor
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to their fossil fuel company.
03:00:57.909 --> 03:00:59.419
My question to the Commissioner
03:00:59.419 --> 03:01:01.387
and to Governor Newsom is,
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why are you even considering being agents
03:01:04.326 --> 03:01:06.816
of this right wing effort?
03:01:06.816 --> 03:01:08.653
I would hope that you will do your duty
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to protect the little people
03:01:10.499 --> 03:01:15.080
against the big monopolies like PG&E and SoCal Edison.
03:01:15.080 --> 03:01:15.930
Thank you.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you all.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Jennifer Tanner.
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Your line is open.
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Oh my God. Hold on.
03:01:37.223 --> 03:01:38.346
Okay.
03:01:38.346 --> 03:01:39.193
Thank you, Jennifer Tanner,
03:01:39.193 --> 03:01:41.984
invisible California green team.
03:01:41.984 --> 03:01:45.072
You say that... Can you hear me?
03:01:45.072 --> 03:01:46.384
Yes, we can.
03:01:46.384 --> 03:01:47.403
Yeah.
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You say that public engagement is critical for the CPUC
03:01:50.888 --> 03:01:52.694
but you're still not listening to us
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because we've been talking for over a whole year
03:01:55.099 --> 03:01:58.395
and we're still asking you for no solar tax.
03:01:58.395 --> 03:01:59.992
At this time of climate emergency,
03:01:59.992 --> 03:02:03.215
the CPUC is crumbling over a bogus cost shift
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or at the very worst, a minor one
03:02:05.305 --> 03:02:07.373
while we're on the brink of extinction,
03:02:07.373 --> 03:02:10.145
the CPUC is still looking diesel for emergency
03:02:10.145 --> 03:02:13.883
and denying local micro-grids for years now.
03:02:13.883 --> 03:02:15.190
Micro-grids provide quick local
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renewable energy for resilience.
03:02:17.972 --> 03:02:20.628
The fact is the utilities are the subsidy.
03:02:20.628 --> 03:02:23.033
We subsidize their long distance power lines.
03:02:23.033 --> 03:02:26.446
They're wildfires, and we're so called wildfire mitigation.
03:02:26.446 --> 03:02:28.325
We subsidize their rolling blackouts
03:02:28.325 --> 03:02:30.325
and we subsidize constantly increasing
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exorbitant energy fees.
03:02:32.183 --> 03:02:33.108
We subsidize their lobbying efforts.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
03:02:37.484 --> 03:02:39.447
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Cynthia Kennedy.
03:02:41.209 --> 03:02:43.128
Your line is open.
03:02:43.128 --> 03:02:44.679
My name is Cynthia Kennedy.
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I'm from Pasadena.
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I join in the other good comments against NEM three
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but as a woman of color,
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I have a particular concern.
03:02:53.320 --> 03:02:57.605
I object to the cynical use by the IOUs of the quote.
03:02:57.605 --> 03:03:00.052
It hurts the poor and people of color
03:03:00.052 --> 03:03:01.358
close quote argument.
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Last night at a public meeting,
03:03:03.612 --> 03:03:06.684
I heard this phrase recited over and over again
03:03:06.684 --> 03:03:09.183
by a utility company representative.
03:03:09.183 --> 03:03:12.812
This is a wedge argument unjustified by facts.
03:03:12.812 --> 03:03:16.565
Doing the math on the so-called grid participation charge
03:03:16.565 --> 03:03:19.496
shows that NEM three would be a powerful
03:03:19.496 --> 03:03:21.753
disincentive to rooftop solar
03:03:21.753 --> 03:03:26.037
for all people regardless of class or color.
03:03:26.037 --> 03:03:29.051
What NEM three is really about is the utility companies
03:03:29.051 --> 03:03:31.135
don't like distributed generation
03:03:31.135 --> 03:03:34.123
because they profit from centralized generation.
03:03:34.123 --> 03:03:35.792
Please reject NEM three.
03:03:35.792 --> 03:03:38.811
And while you're at it, reform the utility system
03:03:38.811 --> 03:03:41.300
which guarantees profit to monopolies
03:03:41.300 --> 03:03:42.569
that should have transitioned
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to renewable energy years ago.
03:03:44.942 --> 03:03:46.822
By the way, I have no association with the--
03:03:46.822 --> 03:03:47.655
(bell ringing)
03:03:47.655 --> 03:03:48.851
(indistinct)
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That I have a rooftop solar system.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
03:03:52.597 --> 03:03:54.553
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Margo Davis.
03:03:56.169 --> 03:03:57.669
Your line is open.
03:03:58.946 --> 03:04:02.580
Westside Ventura resident
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here to inform you that Southern California Gas
03:04:07.680 --> 03:04:12.680
is not in compliance with the directives of this Commission.
03:04:12.739 --> 03:04:17.054
Southern California Gas is not engaging the community
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surrounding its gas compressor station
03:04:19.752 --> 03:04:23.060
or taking public input from its neighbors
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as this Commission has mandated.
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I registered online to attend
03:04:29.268 --> 03:04:31.685
the first "town hall meeting"
03:04:32.921 --> 03:04:35.159
but with 50 some other people
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was blocked from entering.
03:04:37.983 --> 03:04:41.334
I will register to attend the Gas Company's
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latest "public forum" being held
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at the Crown Plaza Resort Hotel
03:04:49.622 --> 03:04:52.724
on the Beach with no parking.
03:04:52.724 --> 03:04:56.118
These meetings are not held in the neighborhood
03:04:56.118 --> 03:04:58.372
where the compressors sits.
03:04:58.372 --> 03:05:01.324
These meetings cannot be defined
03:05:01.324 --> 03:05:02.590
as town halls
03:05:02.590 --> 03:05:03.423
(bell ringing)
03:05:03.423 --> 03:05:04.513
(indistinct)
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by any stretch--
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
03:05:08.023 --> 03:05:11.055
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Doug McKinsey.
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Your line is open.
03:05:15.342 --> 03:05:16.175
Hello.
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I have three points.
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First, please listen to your at callers.
03:05:19.337 --> 03:05:21.385
They're incredibly knowledgeable and articulate.
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They're overwhelmingly against as one caller labeled it.
03:05:24.581 --> 03:05:26.709
The fire greed of the utilities that drove
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the IOU proposal to kill rooftop solar,
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and that was fully accepted in your proposed decision.
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You should be blown away by the power this respond.
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Second, there are no downsized to rooftop solar.
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It's clean, cheap, safe, resilient takes no space.
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It can be used in other ways.
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It empowers the micro-grids for our future
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and it employs tens of thousands of Americans.
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Doesn't guarantee profits for the utilities.
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So that's why they wanna kill it.
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Third point, you have two choices as Commissioners now.
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One is to follow this magnificent
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flood of public sentiment toward a sustainable future.
03:05:59.814 --> 03:06:02.717
And the other choice is to slink back into regulatory
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captured by full felonious, fiery greed.
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If you listen, thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Michelle Pierce.
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Your line is open.
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California investor owned utilities
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are banding together to rage war
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against rooftop solar in our state.
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Rooftop solar is not a problem.
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It is a solution to reliance on foreign sources
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of oil and gas,
03:06:32.859 --> 03:06:34.478
the solution to our climate crisis
03:06:34.478 --> 03:06:36.927
and the solution to our polluted air.
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IOUs have spent millions of dollars
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in research on distributed generation,
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which include micro-grids and energy storage
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and have not implemented these solutions at scale.
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The IOU cling to the ancient model
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of remote large scale electrical generation
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with transmission lines,
03:06:54.143 --> 03:06:56.618
moving electrons for hundreds of miles.
03:06:56.618 --> 03:06:59.005
They're using propaganda tactics for pitting
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lower income families against middle income families
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who have spent their hard earned money for rooftop solar,
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referring to them as wealthy homeowners.
03:07:08.409 --> 03:07:09.955
This propaganda machine of misinformation
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they're using is disgusting.
03:07:11.632 --> 03:07:14.325
Lower income families will not benefit
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from the elimination of rooftop solar.
03:07:16.484 --> 03:07:19.100
They will only suffer more due to climate change.
03:07:19.100 --> 03:07:20.492
There are many solutions available
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to level the playing field with equitable access.
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller, Pam Brennan.
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Your line is open.
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Hi, I'm really blown away by the comments.
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It's a parent that there's a lot of fight
03:07:41.560 --> 03:07:42.828
left in California.
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It sounds like you've really kicked
03:07:44.053 --> 03:07:47.861
a Hornets nest with net metering NEM three.
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These callers have a depth of understanding
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and a lot of resolve and resource.
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So, I've personally found renewed hope
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for progressive California on this call.
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And you, the CPUC members have your work cut out
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for you because there are plenty of avenues
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that we can pursue in the defense of our rights.
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Do your jobs, reject any proposal
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that disenfranchises ratepayers illegally.
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Good luck.
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And may you find the courage of your conscience?
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Gus Petro Board.
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Your line is opened.
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Thank you. My name is Gus Petro Board.
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I live in Placer county and I am a retired senior citizen
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living on social security and what is now becoming
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an aging and older energy inefficient home
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that I purchased new only 20 years ago.
03:08:43.591 --> 03:08:45.631
My home has now become the equivalent
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of a gas guzzler automobile and has been facing
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increasing and OBS seemly rising energy utility power bills,
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rooftop solar cell technology promises to allow
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the retrofit of our older homes and to contribute
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to the delivery of a newer electric network
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of reliable and cleaner energy that may also help
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meet federal energy regulatory Commission goals
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to share reliable and cleaner energy supplies
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with other regions.
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This is the time to assure senior citizens
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that we can afford,
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we can find affordable means to update our homes
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and be able to retire in an affordable
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and comfortable manner.
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I support the reasons offered by the Solar Rights Alliance
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and I urge Governor Newsom to take a public stand
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against the--
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(bell ringing)
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next callers Anne Wright.
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Your line is open.
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This is Anne Wright with Pegasus solar,
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and I am opposed to the NEM three proposed decision.
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What I find really irritating beyond a whole lot of things
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being in the solar industry,
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it is detrimental to our low and middle income families.
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Pegasus employs 20 local Richmond, California residents.
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They're well paid, they're safe.
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We took care of all of them during COVID
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and with the projected 50% drop
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in rooftop solar in California,
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we would have to lay off these loyal employees.
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The second one is the affordable solar home,
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which a lady spoke about just not too long ago.
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The Lawrence Berkeley national lab showed
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that California is very,
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has a strong trend and is encouraging the move
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for low and middle income families
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to utilize distributed generation.
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And with the change in them,
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it would make it unaffordable and we'd trend back.
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And that--
(bell ringing)
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(indistinct)
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Thank you.
Thank thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Steve Barian.
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Your line is open.
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Yes.
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Hi, my name is Steve Barian,
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owner of Solar Pro Energy Systems.
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And I just left the CPUC building just a few minutes ago.
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I'm on my way to actually a solar install right now.
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'Cause I would like to have five seconds of silence, please.
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That five seconds of silence was meant to represent
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the last year of silence we've had from the CPUC
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as to how we are gonna deal
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with the challenges infront of us.
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What is going on with NEM 3.0,
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I have to maintain my business.
03:11:30.431 --> 03:11:32.402
I have to keep my people employed.
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I have to keep jobs going, food on the table
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for my employees and myself and my family.
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How are we gonna get over this hurdle?
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We need to end this Charade.
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Get rid of NEM 3.0 now.
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Please reject it.
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Governor Newsom, do you wanna be mentioned
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in the same sentences as Ron DeSantis in Florida?
03:11:50.509 --> 03:11:51.899
Is that your legacy?
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Please, keep rooftop solar alive in California.
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End NEM 3.0 now.
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Thank you for your time.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Lisa Shafer.
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Your line is open.
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Hi, Santa Cruz.
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And I've lived in California my whole life.
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And I'm very proud of what we stand for.
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Leaders for change and for doing what is right
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for our country and the world
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and in particular to decreasing global warming,
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which is why I'm very concerned about this solar tax.
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We should be leading the country by making solar
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more readily available and affordable to everyone.
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PG&E should evolve with the times and be nimble
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to meet the current public demand.
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Like the dairy industry is done with the development
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of more plant based milks to meet the evolving public needs.
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PG&E should take a page outta their book
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and move towards solar and not away from it.
03:12:48.176 --> 03:12:50.256
My husband and I would like to eventually
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be able to install solar and we should be encouraged
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to do so, to help do our part to decrease climate change.
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Please reject the proposed solar tax.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Sonya Marwood.
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Your line is open.
03:13:12.934 --> 03:13:15.017
Hi, my name is Sonya Marwood
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and I'm a solar owner in Mountain View.
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I'm against the NEM three proposal
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and the CPUC should make policies
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that encourage more homeowners, businesses
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and organizations to put solar on their roof.
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This proposal does the opposite.
03:13:30.548 --> 03:13:35.004
Why is solar, rooftop solar in particular important?
03:13:35.004 --> 03:13:36.759
Seeing rooftop solar in our communities
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reminds us of the climate crisis we are in.
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Rooftop solar is a symbol of the hope
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that we can all do something
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to make our planet a better place.
03:13:46.170 --> 03:13:49.279
Utility scale solar while also crucial,
03:13:49.279 --> 03:13:53.738
false prey to the out of sight out of mind problem.
03:13:53.738 --> 03:13:55.654
Consider what you've heard here today.
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The vast majority of callers oppose this proposal.
03:13:58.434 --> 03:14:00.855
If you move forward with the current proposal,
03:14:00.855 --> 03:14:01.955
the message you'll send
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is that the public's opinion
03:14:03.389 --> 03:14:04.783
does not matter.
03:14:04.783 --> 03:14:09.135
You'll erode the trust and integrity of the CPUC.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
03:14:12.594 --> 03:14:15.049
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is John Shungur.
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Your line is open.
03:14:21.544 --> 03:14:23.830
Hi, my name is John Shungur
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and I live in closed California.
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I installed rooftop in 2017 at my house.
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I'm very happy with the system.
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Proposal to tax solar users like me is a very bad idea
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and a breach of 20 year protection
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for the net metering rules.
03:14:43.775 --> 03:14:48.383
I'm concerned that CPUC has not been transparent
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in its dealing with utilities, antisolar propaganda,
03:14:52.144 --> 03:14:55.928
and it's time for transparency and answers.
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When world is dealing climate change crisis
03:14:59.371 --> 03:15:01.934
caused by fossil fuel emissions,
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rooftop solar is the salvation.
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State wants solar deployment to get off fossil fuel.
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This is not achievable through
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large scale renewables alone.
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When we need more rooftop solar,
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why would we nickel and dime solar users?
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My humble requests to CPUC and Governor Newsom.
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Please do not adopt policies that will--
03:15:30.250 --> 03:15:33.066
(bell ringing) current users(indistinct) solar systems--
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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operator, next caller please.
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And Our next caller is--
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Debbie Salhi.
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You may go ahead.
Hi.
03:15:48.340 --> 03:15:50.856
This is Debbie Salhi and I live in Laguna Niguel.
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I'm asking for you to make solar more affordable
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for working in middle class households,
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no solar tax of any kind, honor the existing
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20 year protection for solar users.
03:16:01.577 --> 03:16:04.072
It is time for transparency and answers.
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Over 140,000 people have told you
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this in every possible away,
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California needs to remain a climate change leader.
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And it requires being a solar leader.
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California has said that it needs
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to triple the amount of solar
03:16:17.911 --> 03:16:19.187
to get off fossil fuels.
03:16:19.187 --> 03:16:21.475
Getting more clean energy on the grid.
03:16:21.475 --> 03:16:23.818
It all forms is an urgent need.
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You just called for all new cars sold in the state
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to have zero carbon emissions by 2035,
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families need affordable solar
03:16:31.750 --> 03:16:33.740
to use those electric cars.
03:16:33.740 --> 03:16:35.459
According to the solar foundation,
03:16:35.459 --> 03:16:37.393
the proposed anti-consumer changes
03:16:37.393 --> 03:16:40.253
could ruin thousands of small locally owned
03:16:40.253 --> 03:16:42.144
solar businesses and threatened
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over 60,000 good paying jobs.
03:16:44.125 --> 03:16:48.041
I hope you will show us by your decision you make
03:16:48.041 --> 03:16:51.672
that you are on the public side and of public health.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Kent stout.
03:17:00.691 --> 03:17:01.774
May go ahead.
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Yes, my name's Kent stout.
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I'm from clean energy funding solutions.
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I'm from back of O'California,
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and I represent my solar brothers and sisters.
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We were here today at the CPUC hundreds of us
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and they wouldn't let us in.
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So, I'm right now trying to write a book
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on California's a zero net energy mandate.
03:17:27.532 --> 03:17:31.053
So we can go carbon free with solar and storage.
03:17:31.053 --> 03:17:33.110
But unfortunately I can't finish my book
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because I don't have an ending right now.
03:17:35.573 --> 03:17:38.620
Is it about hope or is it about doom
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Until the CPUC decides if they support
03:17:41.129 --> 03:17:45.265
the people or the big money utility corporations,
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I wanna be helping businesses, nonprofits
03:17:48.147 --> 03:17:50.181
and homeowners convert to clean energy.
03:17:50.181 --> 03:17:55.181
By this NEM 3.0 wants to kill the solar storage industry
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based on lies and misinformation.
03:17:57.387 --> 03:17:59.367
At the same time, our leaders are wanting
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to promote green infrastructure.
03:18:01.182 --> 03:18:02.810
This is a joke.
03:18:02.810 --> 03:18:05.758
We have chaos and wars going on all around the world
03:18:05.758 --> 03:18:08.013
based on energy fights and fighting
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for our freedoms for choice.
03:18:09.245 --> 03:18:10.078
(bell ringing)
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So, I would recommend that we say no
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to NEM 3.0.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Mark da Monte.
03:18:22.245 --> 03:18:23.662
You may go ahead.
03:18:26.454 --> 03:18:30.204
Oh my gosh. Where (indistinct)
03:18:33.405 --> 03:18:35.238
Oh no, come on please.
03:18:38.810 --> 03:18:41.412
And Mark, your line is open. You may go ahead.
03:18:48.010 --> 03:18:49.234
Don't tell me I was on phone
03:18:49.234 --> 03:18:52.338
for four hours and missed it.
03:18:52.338 --> 03:18:56.099
And Mark da Monte, you may go ahead.
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Okay.
03:18:56.995 --> 03:18:57.828
Thank you.
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As you just stated, my name is Mark da Monte.
03:19:01.043 --> 03:19:03.241
I live in the Coachella valley.
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It gets to 120 plus.
03:19:05.032 --> 03:19:06.950
I've lived in California, all my life.
03:19:06.950 --> 03:19:10.098
Calfornia once represented a land of opportunity.
03:19:10.098 --> 03:19:11.324
People would hear that name
03:19:11.324 --> 03:19:15.079
and they would associate it with success.
03:19:15.079 --> 03:19:17.740
They'd associate it with things of glory and beauty.
03:19:17.740 --> 03:19:20.850
And I help people, every single day
03:19:20.850 --> 03:19:22.767
that when I go into their home,
03:19:22.767 --> 03:19:24.485
their temperatures almost 90 degrees
03:19:24.485 --> 03:19:26.696
because they're afraid to turn on their air conditioner.
03:19:26.696 --> 03:19:28.752
And I said, you should not be living that way.
03:19:28.752 --> 03:19:31.226
And I do my best to help people every day
03:19:31.226 --> 03:19:33.069
to mitigate their costs.
03:19:33.069 --> 03:19:35.186
But what has happened is that CPUC
03:19:35.186 --> 03:19:37.033
has forgotten their mission statement.
03:19:37.033 --> 03:19:38.582
They've forgotten their core values,
03:19:38.582 --> 03:19:41.436
or they have disregarded them altogether.
03:19:41.436 --> 03:19:45.211
And so we're looking at a time where
03:19:45.211 --> 03:19:47.575
consumer confidence is at an all time low
03:19:47.575 --> 03:19:51.050
when we look at government and we look at bureaucracy.
03:19:51.050 --> 03:19:53.950
So, we're at a time where you get to impact
03:19:53.950 --> 03:19:56.649
your future and how you're going to be remembered.
03:19:56.649 --> 03:19:59.713
But I look at your mission statement.
03:19:59.713 --> 03:20:02.452
It says that you exist to help the consumers
03:20:02.452 --> 03:20:03.285
to help us--
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(bell ringing)
03:20:04.118 --> 03:20:04.951
(indistinct)
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practices in pricing.
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But that's the contrary when you consider
03:20:08.173 --> 03:20:11.762
NEM three 3.0, you are doing the exact opposite
03:20:11.762 --> 03:20:13.319
of your purpose for existing.
03:20:13.319 --> 03:20:14.421
Thank your comment.
03:20:14.421 --> 03:20:16.707
If we're asking that your conscience
03:20:16.707 --> 03:20:18.916
would guide you and that you would be remembered
03:20:18.916 --> 03:20:21.197
for doing right in the midst of the storm.
03:20:21.197 --> 03:20:22.792
'Cause we're all in this together.
03:20:22.792 --> 03:20:23.738
Your time is up, sir.
03:20:23.738 --> 03:20:24.885
Thank you for your comment.
03:20:24.885 --> 03:20:25.718
Yes.
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God bless you.
03:20:26.551 --> 03:20:27.384
Thanks very much.
03:20:27.384 --> 03:20:29.795
Operator, next caller please.
03:20:29.795 --> 03:20:31.549
Our next caller is Carla Campbell.
03:20:31.549 --> 03:20:32.966
You may go ahead.
03:20:38.606 --> 03:20:40.446
Hi. My name is Carla Campbell
03:20:40.446 --> 03:20:42.616
and I live in Davis, California.
03:20:42.616 --> 03:20:45.390
My husband and I invested in installing solar
03:20:45.390 --> 03:20:47.469
on our roof three years ago.
03:20:47.469 --> 03:20:50.485
First off the CPUC proposed tax
03:20:50.485 --> 03:20:52.838
to tax people who install,
03:20:52.838 --> 03:20:55.214
pay for and maintain solar panels
03:20:55.214 --> 03:20:56.721
is complete wrong.
03:20:56.721 --> 03:20:58.613
This tax would make the idea of solar,
03:20:58.613 --> 03:21:01.253
a losing proposition for many families,
03:21:01.253 --> 03:21:02.573
including mine.
03:21:02.573 --> 03:21:04.689
Solar needs to be more affordable for working
03:21:04.689 --> 03:21:06.004
and middle class families.
03:21:06.004 --> 03:21:07.281
Not less.
03:21:07.281 --> 03:21:10.402
Second, the claims that rooftop solars
03:21:10.402 --> 03:21:12.357
don't pay their fair share is a complete fallacy.
03:21:12.357 --> 03:21:15.445
Rooftop solar reduces the cost of long distance
03:21:15.445 --> 03:21:18.920
power lines and can save everyone money in the long run.
03:21:18.920 --> 03:21:21.612
Lastly, during this time of energy uncertainty,
03:21:21.612 --> 03:21:24.958
we need more energy independence for energy monopolies.
03:21:24.958 --> 03:21:26.556
Governor Newsom and Commissioners,
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I hope you're listening.
03:21:28.195 --> 03:21:31.474
I hope you are listening to us the ratepayers,
03:21:31.474 --> 03:21:32.867
not the utilities.
03:21:32.867 --> 03:21:35.282
Please stand up for rooftop solar.
03:21:35.282 --> 03:21:37.973
Thank you very much for listening.
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Thank you.
03:21:38.806 --> 03:21:41.223
Operator, next caller please.
03:21:43.547 --> 03:21:45.505
And Our next caller is Ruben Wilmarth.
03:21:45.505 --> 03:21:46.922
You may go ahead.
03:21:49.972 --> 03:21:50.805
Hi.
03:21:50.805 --> 03:21:52.447
My name is Ruben Wilmarth.
03:21:52.447 --> 03:21:57.078
I live in the rural area of California near Modesto.
03:21:57.078 --> 03:22:00.288
I'm calling, talking regarding NEM 3.0.
03:22:00.288 --> 03:22:03.094
Rooftop solar has the greatest combination of value
03:22:03.094 --> 03:22:06.243
to the California ratepayers by generating electricity
03:22:06.243 --> 03:22:11.243
at the point of use and facilitating backup power as well.
03:22:11.273 --> 03:22:12.619
Please ignore the special interests
03:22:12.619 --> 03:22:14.584
and support the California homeowners
03:22:14.584 --> 03:22:17.774
in owning rooftop solar wherever possible.
03:22:17.774 --> 03:22:20.104
Taxing the user residential rooftop solar
03:22:20.104 --> 03:22:22.033
benefits the utility at the expense
03:22:22.033 --> 03:22:24.929
of the ratepayers and California in general,
03:22:24.929 --> 03:22:26.897
please do the right thing.
03:22:26.897 --> 03:22:27.730
Thank you.
03:22:28.857 --> 03:22:29.713
Thank you.
03:22:29.713 --> 03:22:32.130
Operator, next caller please.
03:22:33.189 --> 03:22:34.022
Our next caller
03:22:34.022 --> 03:22:36.369
is Joshua Resnick with Sungage.
03:22:36.369 --> 03:22:37.786
You may go ahead.
03:22:38.910 --> 03:22:40.292
Thank you very much.
03:22:40.292 --> 03:22:43.064
My name is Joshua Resnick with Sungage
03:22:43.064 --> 03:22:46.614
and I work with a bunch of small solar contractors.
03:22:46.614 --> 03:22:49.781
None of whom are giant rich companies.
03:22:51.118 --> 03:22:52.663
I was born and raised in Berkeley
03:22:52.663 --> 03:22:55.439
and I've worked in solar myself for 11 years.
03:22:55.439 --> 03:22:58.055
And I love this career because we're democratizing
03:22:58.055 --> 03:23:01.055
energy independence and contributing
03:23:02.411 --> 03:23:04.238
to job growth in California.
03:23:04.238 --> 03:23:07.179
The proposed NEM 3.0 decision would actually kill
03:23:07.179 --> 03:23:10.042
the value proposition for homeowners and my job
03:23:10.042 --> 03:23:13.598
and nearly 70,000 other California solar jobs along with it.
03:23:13.598 --> 03:23:15.473
It just doesn't make any sense.
03:23:15.473 --> 03:23:17.714
The current NEM three proposal is a disaster
03:23:17.714 --> 03:23:19.834
for the solar industry and for California,
03:23:19.834 --> 03:23:21.713
you must reject this please.
03:23:21.713 --> 03:23:23.026
Thank you.
03:23:23.026 --> 03:23:23.888
Thank you.
03:23:23.888 --> 03:23:26.305
Operator, next caller please.
03:23:28.726 --> 03:23:30.477
Our next caller is Nancy Milov.
03:23:30.477 --> 03:23:31.894
You may go ahead.
03:23:32.965 --> 03:23:36.393
Hi, I live in Pleasanton California.
03:23:36.393 --> 03:23:39.088
And I just want you to listen
03:23:39.088 --> 03:23:42.189
to what everyone has been saying.
03:23:42.189 --> 03:23:43.617
Go with what you know,
03:23:43.617 --> 03:23:45.708
go with the facts.
03:23:45.708 --> 03:23:47.041
It's ridiculous.
03:23:47.041 --> 03:23:50.874
There is no logical reason for this NEM three.
03:23:53.978 --> 03:23:55.978
I got solar back in 2007
03:23:56.953 --> 03:24:00.130
'cause it was the right thing to do. I didn't get enough to,
03:24:00.130 --> 03:24:02.917
I got as much as I could afford at the time.
03:24:02.917 --> 03:24:06.351
I continued to pay PG&E and last year
03:24:06.351 --> 03:24:09.372
I got mad and I increased it.
03:24:09.372 --> 03:24:13.534
So now I am producing more than I can use.
03:24:13.534 --> 03:24:16.600
And I feel like doing the right
03:24:16.600 --> 03:24:18.847
and I'm being punished for it.
03:24:18.847 --> 03:24:22.199
CPUC, Governor Newsom, it's political.
03:24:22.199 --> 03:24:23.463
Do the right thing.
03:24:23.463 --> 03:24:24.728
That's all I have to say.
03:24:24.728 --> 03:24:26.280
Thank you for listening.
03:24:26.280 --> 03:24:27.460
Thank you.
03:24:27.460 --> 03:24:29.877
Operator, next caller please.
03:24:32.557 --> 03:24:34.309
Our next caller is Donald Thorn.
03:24:34.309 --> 03:24:35.726
You may go ahead.
03:24:36.921 --> 03:24:37.754
Hi.
03:24:37.754 --> 03:24:42.452
I'm calling in from La Honda, am an ordinary citizen.
03:24:42.452 --> 03:24:47.223
And I agree with many of the comments that have made so far.
03:24:47.223 --> 03:24:49.626
No one of the public has commented in favor
03:24:49.626 --> 03:24:51.793
of the NEM three proposal.
03:24:53.633 --> 03:24:57.300
And so I am happy to be one of the majority.
03:24:58.179 --> 03:25:01.679
I'm also interested to state that shifting
03:25:04.644 --> 03:25:07.644
the cost of solar ownership to avoid
03:25:10.636 --> 03:25:13.219
the income or color disparities
03:25:15.373 --> 03:25:19.041
seems to be a straw man sort of argument
03:25:19.041 --> 03:25:21.327
that is clearly been seen through
03:25:21.327 --> 03:25:25.160
incentives are a better way to promote equity.
03:25:25.160 --> 03:25:27.564
And I'd also like to ask you to let
03:25:27.564 --> 03:25:29.897
the federal government know that having taken
03:25:29.897 --> 03:25:32.140
a tax credit for my solar panels,
03:25:32.140 --> 03:25:34.971
it seems you're robbing from the tax credit
03:25:34.971 --> 03:25:36.234
from the federal government.
03:25:36.234 --> 03:25:39.617
I appreciate the Commissioner's time
03:25:39.617 --> 03:25:43.602
and listening to the comments and as--
03:25:43.602 --> 03:25:46.199
(bell ringing)
03:25:46.199 --> 03:25:47.032
(indistinct)
03:25:47.032 --> 03:25:47.865
Thank you.
Thank you.
03:25:47.865 --> 03:25:48.698
Thank you for your comment.
03:25:48.698 --> 03:25:51.115
Operator, next caller please.
03:25:52.407 --> 03:25:54.085
Our next caller is Jeffrey Crawford.
03:25:54.085 --> 03:25:55.502
You may go ahead.
03:25:59.886 --> 03:26:00.719
[Jeffrey Crawford] Yes.
03:26:00.719 --> 03:26:01.552
Hello.
03:26:01.552 --> 03:26:02.385
My name is Jeffrey Crawford
03:26:02.385 --> 03:26:05.387
and I live in Lakewood, California.
03:26:05.387 --> 03:26:07.210
We in California need to lead the fight
03:26:07.210 --> 03:26:09.052
in climate change rooftop solar
03:26:09.052 --> 03:26:10.814
as an ID way to support moving forward
03:26:10.814 --> 03:26:13.024
to that goal without giving us much open space
03:26:13.024 --> 03:26:15.514
and devote to renewable energy projects.
03:26:15.514 --> 03:26:18.737
The state itself says we need 300% more rooftop solar
03:26:18.737 --> 03:26:21.554
to be able to move away from fossil fuel energy sources.
03:26:21.554 --> 03:26:23.599
Let's make sure the rooftop solar stays affordable
03:26:23.599 --> 03:26:26.303
and viable to working and middle class populations.
03:26:26.303 --> 03:26:28.303
Please reject NEM three.
03:26:30.675 --> 03:26:31.573
Thank you.
03:26:31.573 --> 03:26:33.990
Operator, next caller please.
03:26:35.165 --> 03:26:36.802
Our next caller is Matthew Hirsch.
03:26:36.802 --> 03:26:38.219
You may go ahead.
03:26:39.623 --> 03:26:40.979
Thanks so much for calling on me,
03:26:40.979 --> 03:26:44.101
I've been waiting quite a while.
03:26:44.101 --> 03:26:46.339
I do appreciate your time.
03:26:46.339 --> 03:26:47.974
My name is Matthew Hirsch.
03:26:47.974 --> 03:26:49.976
I run a marketing agency called TerraCurrent.
03:26:49.976 --> 03:26:52.385
We like to say, we help clean energy companies
03:26:52.385 --> 03:26:54.014
both the same to be in thrive
03:26:54.014 --> 03:26:56.846
or based in, excuse me, in Berkeley.
03:26:56.846 --> 03:26:59.250
Many homes in Berkeley around California have solar access,
03:26:59.250 --> 03:27:01.494
but even under the current NEM tariff
03:27:01.494 --> 03:27:04.574
have a tough time making the transition to clean energy.
03:27:04.574 --> 03:27:05.773
That's the case of my home,
03:27:05.773 --> 03:27:07.808
where the last contractor who did a site analysis
03:27:07.808 --> 03:27:09.788
that my youngest child who's in kindergarten
03:27:09.788 --> 03:27:11.747
would be outta college before the end
03:27:11.747 --> 03:27:13.374
of my solar payback period.
03:27:13.374 --> 03:27:15.563
We have unfinished business
03:27:15.563 --> 03:27:17.191
with each passing month of uncertainty
03:27:17.191 --> 03:27:19.260
about the future of rooftop solar,
03:27:19.260 --> 03:27:21.677
solar companies lose, solar customers lose,
03:27:21.677 --> 03:27:25.033
people eager to become solar customers like myself lose.
03:27:25.033 --> 03:27:26.584
Please make the NEM 3.0 proceeding,
03:27:26.584 --> 03:27:28.990
more transparent, more democratic,
03:27:28.990 --> 03:27:31.860
and more accountable to all the people of California.
03:27:31.860 --> 03:27:33.266
Thanks.
03:27:33.266 --> 03:27:34.208
Thank you.
03:27:34.208 --> 03:27:36.625
Operator, next caller please.
03:27:38.811 --> 03:27:40.688
Our next caller is Stuart Wadsworth.
03:27:40.688 --> 03:27:42.105
You may go ahead.
03:27:44.652 --> 03:27:45.485
[Stuart Wadsworth] Hello.
03:27:45.485 --> 03:27:47.609
This is Stuart Wadsworth Santa Cruz, California.
03:27:47.609 --> 03:27:50.128
I wanted to make a few comments
03:27:50.128 --> 03:27:53.225
about my lack of support from NEM three.
03:27:53.225 --> 03:27:55.041
I have been in the solar industry
03:27:55.041 --> 03:27:58.514
since the lights went out in 1998.
03:27:58.514 --> 03:28:01.023
And for the first time when it was unexpected,
03:28:01.023 --> 03:28:04.023
now it seems to go off on a regular basis.
03:28:04.023 --> 03:28:07.378
I have installed or been involved in
03:28:07.378 --> 03:28:10.141
well over a thousand solar installations,
03:28:10.141 --> 03:28:12.172
a small residential and commercial.
03:28:12.172 --> 03:28:14.851
I have trained through the community college
03:28:14.851 --> 03:28:19.018
hundreds of different installers into California's
03:28:19.885 --> 03:28:23.385
thriving solar industry and the CPUC needs
03:28:24.279 --> 03:28:27.946
to make a decision to support a very active,
03:28:29.099 --> 03:28:32.246
positive and environmentally conscious industry,
03:28:32.246 --> 03:28:35.579
as opposed to an investor owned monopoly
03:28:36.547 --> 03:28:40.748
in power distribution through California.
03:28:40.748 --> 03:28:43.366
And in fact, in my opinion,
03:28:43.366 --> 03:28:45.648
if we moved back towards the 1980s
03:28:45.648 --> 03:28:48.344
regulations of the utilities,
03:28:48.344 --> 03:28:50.914
our utility rates would plummet
03:28:50.914 --> 03:28:54.015
as well as distributed generation
03:28:54.015 --> 03:28:57.076
is the only solution to a future
03:28:57.076 --> 03:28:58.716
of electric vehicles.
03:28:58.716 --> 03:29:01.741
If you have a centralized generation facility (bell ringing)
03:29:01.741 --> 03:29:03.131
compared distributed,
03:29:03.131 --> 03:29:05.798
the energy efficiency on central
03:29:06.728 --> 03:29:10.810
is 40% distributed generation, 98%.
03:29:10.810 --> 03:29:12.158
Thank you for your time.
03:29:12.158 --> 03:29:12.991
Thank you.
03:29:12.991 --> 03:29:15.408
Operator, next caller please.
03:29:17.675 --> 03:29:22.222
And Our next caller is Karen Iovino.
03:29:22.222 --> 03:29:23.862
You may go ahead.
03:29:23.862 --> 03:29:25.698
Hello?
03:29:25.698 --> 03:29:27.085
Yes, we can hear you.
03:29:27.085 --> 03:29:27.918
Oh, good.
03:29:27.918 --> 03:29:29.501
Thank you.
03:29:29.501 --> 03:29:31.353
I live in San Francisco.
03:29:31.353 --> 03:29:34.520
I retired a year ago and PG&E was high
03:29:36.948 --> 03:29:40.698
and I found Solar Experts and Freedom Forever
03:29:43.506 --> 03:29:46.839
installed it and it went live last fall,
03:29:49.181 --> 03:29:51.264
and everything was great.
03:29:52.239 --> 03:29:55.572
And I just wanna say that the only thing
03:29:58.247 --> 03:30:01.355
I agree with everybody's comments
03:30:01.355 --> 03:30:03.236
and I'm on a fixed income.
03:30:03.236 --> 03:30:05.319
Only have social security
03:30:07.173 --> 03:30:09.482
I never turned on my furnace.
03:30:09.482 --> 03:30:12.913
So I look like a polar bear in San Francisco,
03:30:12.913 --> 03:30:16.663
and the only way the CPUC can make this right
03:30:19.851 --> 03:30:23.268
and Governor Newsom can come out publicly
03:30:26.251 --> 03:30:29.683
is to support the solar industry
03:30:29.683 --> 03:30:32.916
and make California wonderful
03:30:32.916 --> 03:30:34.303
keeping everybody employed
03:30:34.303 --> 03:30:37.169
(bell ringing)
03:30:37.169 --> 03:30:38.560
and no tax assistance.
Thank you.
03:30:38.560 --> 03:30:39.419
Thank you.
03:30:39.419 --> 03:30:40.692
Thank you for your comment.
03:30:40.692 --> 03:30:43.109
Operator, next caller please.
03:30:45.102 --> 03:30:46.863
Our next caller is Thomas Lumberg.
03:30:46.863 --> 03:30:48.781
You may go ahead.
03:30:48.781 --> 03:30:50.494
Hello, my name's Tom Lumberg.
03:30:50.494 --> 03:30:54.411
I'm in Marin county and a retired homeowner
03:30:54.411 --> 03:30:56.994
with solar on the roof up here.
03:30:57.956 --> 03:31:02.623
I've listened to about 120 comment so far plus or minus,
03:31:04.414 --> 03:31:07.997
and not one is positive for this NEM three.
03:31:10.340 --> 03:31:12.923
It just seems like this is just
03:31:13.804 --> 03:31:16.708
a Wolf in sheep's clothing to kill
03:31:16.708 --> 03:31:20.909
the solar competition to the utility companies
03:31:20.909 --> 03:31:24.387
and the California state needs to decide
03:31:24.387 --> 03:31:28.102
either they mandate solar roofs on new houses,
03:31:28.102 --> 03:31:30.387
which they did, or they go
03:31:30.387 --> 03:31:33.470
for this horrible proposal NEM three.
03:31:34.387 --> 03:31:37.637
So, which is it gonna be Commissioners?
03:31:38.712 --> 03:31:42.102
Please vote against this horrible thing, byebye.
03:31:42.102 --> 03:31:43.378
Thanks.
03:31:43.378 --> 03:31:44.390
Thank you.
03:31:44.390 --> 03:31:46.807
Operator, next caller please.
03:31:47.701 --> 03:31:49.945
Our next caller is Patricia Joki.
03:31:49.945 --> 03:31:51.362
You may go ahead.
03:31:52.409 --> 03:31:53.334
Good afternoon.
03:31:53.334 --> 03:31:57.251
Thank you, like many people who spoke before me
03:31:59.417 --> 03:32:01.839
I'm a homeowner and our family took out a loan
03:32:01.839 --> 03:32:04.436
to install solar a number of years ago,
03:32:04.436 --> 03:32:05.977
because we wanted to do the part,
03:32:05.977 --> 03:32:07.911
the right thing to combat climate change.
03:32:07.911 --> 03:32:11.113
And we also wanted to reduce our energy costs.
03:32:11.113 --> 03:32:13.499
The proposal that's been presented by NEM three
03:32:13.499 --> 03:32:16.503
penalizes us families only to the benefit
03:32:16.503 --> 03:32:19.109
of the for-profit utilities.
03:32:19.109 --> 03:32:21.178
Really any solution should make it easier
03:32:21.178 --> 03:32:23.774
for families to make the choice to go solar.
03:32:23.774 --> 03:32:26.150
And this a current time with the United States,
03:32:26.150 --> 03:32:29.188
moving away from fossil fuel with the electric cars,
03:32:29.188 --> 03:32:30.607
wind power, and the like
03:32:30.607 --> 03:32:33.023
this proposal only serves to line the pockets
03:32:33.023 --> 03:32:34.415
of the utilities and does nothing
03:32:34.415 --> 03:32:37.610
to move us forward with power independence.
03:32:37.610 --> 03:32:41.360
I urge the CPUC to support a no tax on solar,
03:32:42.398 --> 03:32:44.818
honor the promises made to existing
03:32:44.818 --> 03:32:47.281
NEM one and two customers,
03:32:47.281 --> 03:32:48.679
continue the net metering credit
03:32:48.679 --> 03:32:51.022
with full credit for power generated
03:32:51.022 --> 03:32:52.430
and returned to the grid,
03:32:52.430 --> 03:32:54.861
which is resold at a higher rate to customers
03:32:54.861 --> 03:32:57.194
by the, for-profit utility.
03:32:57.194 --> 03:32:59.525
And don't believe the nonsense that solar users
03:32:59.525 --> 03:33:02.352
don't pay their fair share for the cost of the grid.
03:33:02.352 --> 03:33:04.695
That's just a smoke and mirrors argument
03:33:04.695 --> 03:33:07.100
made for the made bait pie
03:33:07.100 --> 03:33:08.650
by the for-profit utility.
03:33:08.650 --> 03:33:09.483
Thank you--
03:33:09.483 --> 03:33:11.135
(alarm ringing)
03:33:11.135 --> 03:33:11.989
Thank you.
03:33:11.989 --> 03:33:14.406
Operator, next caller please.
03:33:15.616 --> 03:33:17.255
Our next caller is Jeff Howard.
03:33:17.255 --> 03:33:18.672
You may go ahead.
03:33:21.949 --> 03:33:22.782
Hi there.
03:33:22.782 --> 03:33:25.476
Thank you Commissioners for your time.
03:33:25.476 --> 03:33:27.715
I love the enthusiasm of all those calling today
03:33:27.715 --> 03:33:30.295
in opposition to NEM three,
03:33:30.295 --> 03:33:32.088
especially the gentleman this morning,
03:33:32.088 --> 03:33:34.755
who said, Hey, I got to do this.
03:33:37.241 --> 03:33:39.241
It's super exciting to hear that because each of us
03:33:39.241 --> 03:33:41.984
on this call has taken valuable time off work
03:33:41.984 --> 03:33:45.242
and other responsibilities to speak our voice
03:33:45.242 --> 03:33:46.306
and exercise freedoms,
03:33:46.306 --> 03:33:47.529
which we don't take lightly
03:33:47.529 --> 03:33:49.782
especially with the current Russia invasion
03:33:49.782 --> 03:33:52.265
of its democratic neighbor Ukraine.
03:33:52.265 --> 03:33:53.407
My name is Jeff Howard.
03:33:53.407 --> 03:33:54.428
I live in Visalia,
03:33:54.428 --> 03:33:56.959
which is ULA county and central California.
03:33:56.959 --> 03:33:58.719
Our county consistently has the highest
03:33:58.719 --> 03:34:00.973
unemployment rate in the state.
03:34:00.973 --> 03:34:03.354
We live in average neighborhoods at best,
03:34:03.354 --> 03:34:04.326
especially when you compare
03:34:04.326 --> 03:34:07.511
to Southern California or the bay area.
03:34:07.511 --> 03:34:10.729
Despite this, I see solar panels on a large number
03:34:10.729 --> 03:34:13.104
of these very basic entry level homes,
03:34:13.104 --> 03:34:15.069
which completely contradicts statements
03:34:15.069 --> 03:34:19.003
by the big utilities that solar or the rich.
03:34:19.003 --> 03:34:19.990
I work for cubic energy.
03:34:19.990 --> 03:34:21.831
We have nearly 500 employees.
03:34:21.831 --> 03:34:23.971
We employ those with high school education
03:34:23.971 --> 03:34:24.804
(bell ringing)
03:34:24.804 --> 03:34:26.746
all the way up to master's degrees.
03:34:26.746 --> 03:34:27.579
Thank you.
03:34:27.579 --> 03:34:30.386
Please oppose NEM three.
03:34:30.386 --> 03:34:31.219
Thank you.
03:34:31.219 --> 03:34:33.636
Operator, next caller please.
03:34:35.039 --> 03:34:37.019
Our next caller is Arthur Silon.
03:34:37.019 --> 03:34:38.436
You may go ahead.
03:34:40.300 --> 03:34:41.443
This is Arthur Silon
03:34:41.443 --> 03:34:43.792
and I live in Davis.
03:34:43.792 --> 03:34:45.039
I'll try and keep it short.
03:34:45.039 --> 03:34:48.372
I agree with everything that's been said
03:34:52.626 --> 03:34:53.672
about the unfairness
03:34:53.672 --> 03:34:57.589
and inequity of the current NEM three proposal.
03:35:01.680 --> 03:35:05.255
The mathematics that they use is above us.
03:35:05.255 --> 03:35:08.005
And it's the arguments are false.
03:35:09.743 --> 03:35:11.151
That's about as much as I'm gonna say,
03:35:11.151 --> 03:35:14.484
I'm gonna be mailing a lengthier comment
03:35:16.712 --> 03:35:21.479
to your office to be included in the public record.
03:35:21.479 --> 03:35:23.477
Thank you very much.
03:35:23.477 --> 03:35:24.458
Thank you.
03:35:24.458 --> 03:35:26.875
Operator, next caller please.
03:35:29.726 --> 03:35:32.298
Our next caller is Tom Watson.
03:35:32.298 --> 03:35:33.715
You may go ahead.
03:35:36.464 --> 03:35:38.150
Hi, can you hear me.
03:35:38.150 --> 03:35:39.074
Yes, we can.
03:35:39.074 --> 03:35:40.757
Thank you for listening
03:35:40.757 --> 03:35:42.077
and thank you to the Commission
03:35:42.077 --> 03:35:44.066
for sitting through all these.
03:35:44.066 --> 03:35:45.817
I'm Tom Watson from Chico, California.
03:35:45.817 --> 03:35:47.445
I'm a veteran.
03:35:47.445 --> 03:35:49.744
I volunteered with grid alternatives,
03:35:49.744 --> 03:35:52.340
where I get hands free training on how to install.
03:35:52.340 --> 03:35:56.573
They've done hundreds of homes over the years.
03:35:56.573 --> 03:35:58.200
I'm also a homeowner who generates
03:35:58.200 --> 03:36:00.201
more electricity than I use each year.
03:36:00.201 --> 03:36:04.951
So I'm actually paying into the system as most of us are.
03:36:06.425 --> 03:36:08.284
Everybody has said everything very eloquently.
03:36:08.284 --> 03:36:11.700
I will just say that if this gets put through
03:36:11.700 --> 03:36:15.533
despite the clear and overwhelming opposition,
03:36:16.428 --> 03:36:19.500
then I don't think we can really consider ourselves
03:36:19.500 --> 03:36:23.414
as living in a representative democracy anymore.
03:36:23.414 --> 03:36:27.938
That we're gonna be controlled by corporate needs
03:36:27.938 --> 03:36:30.627
and they will control what's best for us.
03:36:30.627 --> 03:36:33.440
So, I wish all the best to the Commission.
03:36:33.440 --> 03:36:35.438
Please do what's right.
03:36:35.438 --> 03:36:37.681
I think everybody knows what is right.
03:36:37.681 --> 03:36:40.296
So all the best to you.
03:36:40.296 --> 03:36:41.520
Thank you.
03:36:41.520 --> 03:36:42.502
Thank you.
03:36:42.502 --> 03:36:44.919
Operator, next caller please.
03:36:49.416 --> 03:36:51.970
And Our next caller is Jolene Ciosek.
03:36:51.970 --> 03:36:53.387
You may go ahead.
03:36:58.991 --> 03:36:59.824
Thank you.
03:36:59.824 --> 03:37:01.160
Can you hear me?
03:37:01.160 --> 03:37:02.547
Yes, we can.
03:37:02.547 --> 03:37:03.380
Okay.
03:37:03.380 --> 03:37:04.385
Hi, my name's Jolene Ciosek.
03:37:04.385 --> 03:37:07.376
I'm the Marketing Manager for EcoFasten.
03:37:07.376 --> 03:37:09.075
We manufacture rooftop mounting systems
03:37:09.075 --> 03:37:10.660
and solar roof attachments,
03:37:10.660 --> 03:37:13.311
and I'm going to make this short and sweet.
03:37:13.311 --> 03:37:15.595
I've worked in solar for over a decade.
03:37:15.595 --> 03:37:16.451
I love my solar job.
03:37:16.451 --> 03:37:18.648
I love knowing that what I do makes the difference
03:37:18.648 --> 03:37:20.481
that I'm helping to enable the transition
03:37:20.481 --> 03:37:23.012
to solar energy for future generations
03:37:23.012 --> 03:37:25.009
like my 15 year old son.
03:37:25.009 --> 03:37:26.892
And I love that I'm empowering solar heroes
03:37:26.892 --> 03:37:28.166
every single day.
03:37:28.166 --> 03:37:32.610
The CPUC's proposed NEM 3.0 would absolutely kill solar
03:37:32.610 --> 03:37:35.383
in California would kill solar jobs like mine.
03:37:35.383 --> 03:37:37.891
And it absolutely cannot be supported.
03:37:37.891 --> 03:37:39.562
Thank you so much for taking the time to listen.
03:37:39.562 --> 03:37:41.103
My family, my colleagues, my network
03:37:41.103 --> 03:37:43.874
of installer friends, as well as future generations
03:37:43.874 --> 03:37:47.131
appreciate and depend on you making the right decision here.
03:37:47.131 --> 03:37:48.494
Please reject this proposal on support
03:37:48.494 --> 03:37:50.123
affordable rooftop solar.
03:37:50.123 --> 03:37:51.487
Thank you.
03:37:51.487 --> 03:37:52.587
Thank you.
03:37:52.587 --> 03:37:55.004
Operator, next caller please.
03:37:56.058 --> 03:37:57.483
Our next caller is Linda Cook.
03:37:57.483 --> 03:37:58.900
You may go ahead.
03:38:01.325 --> 03:38:02.158
Hello.
03:38:02.158 --> 03:38:05.046
I'm calling today from Santa Clarita, California.
03:38:05.046 --> 03:38:06.713
And as you may know,
03:38:07.862 --> 03:38:12.406
we are famous for our winds and for our fires.
03:38:12.406 --> 03:38:15.989
And my neighborhood is frequently shut down
03:38:18.214 --> 03:38:21.646
by Edison because of high winds.
03:38:21.646 --> 03:38:25.606
If we were able to have everybody on solar,
03:38:25.606 --> 03:38:26.750
this wouldn't be an issue.
03:38:26.750 --> 03:38:28.906
I'm one of the few in the neighborhood
03:38:28.906 --> 03:38:30.622
that does not get affected because
03:38:30.622 --> 03:38:32.778
I've got solar on my house.
03:38:32.778 --> 03:38:34.054
We're retired.
03:38:34.054 --> 03:38:37.354
We spent over $30,000 to put this on
03:38:37.354 --> 03:38:39.697
and for you to come in and change the rules
03:38:39.697 --> 03:38:42.392
after we've even made our investments.
03:38:42.392 --> 03:38:46.088
And it's diametrically opposed to what Newsom
03:38:46.088 --> 03:38:48.948
said about cutting fossil fuel.
03:38:48.948 --> 03:38:52.644
You can't cut fossil fuel and then go ahead
03:38:52.644 --> 03:38:54.144
and cut out solar.
03:38:55.768 --> 03:38:58.013
This just makes no sense.
03:38:58.013 --> 03:39:01.680
So, I hope you will think about the citizens
03:39:03.425 --> 03:39:05.757
of this state and the need for us to correct.
03:39:05.757 --> 03:39:08.045
(bell ringing)
03:39:08.045 --> 03:39:08.878
Thank you.
03:39:08.878 --> 03:39:09.711
Thank you.
03:39:09.711 --> 03:39:10.544
Thank you for your comment.
03:39:10.544 --> 03:39:12.961
Operator, next caller please.
03:39:13.854 --> 03:39:15.487
Our next caller is Ed Murray.
03:39:15.487 --> 03:39:16.904
You may go ahead.
03:39:17.894 --> 03:39:20.019
Thank you Operator.
03:39:20.019 --> 03:39:21.484
Thank you, president Reynolds
03:39:21.484 --> 03:39:23.728
and esteemed CPUC Commissioners.
03:39:23.728 --> 03:39:25.939
First of all, happy St. Patrick's day.
03:39:25.939 --> 03:39:27.699
I'm the president of Aztec Solar,
03:39:27.699 --> 03:39:31.406
solar installation firm located in the Sacramento area.
03:39:31.406 --> 03:39:34.838
I am also the president of the California Solar and Storage
03:39:34.838 --> 03:39:37.875
Association representing more than 700 member companies,
03:39:37.875 --> 03:39:40.074
many like my company and employees
03:39:40.074 --> 03:39:42.759
installers throughout California.
03:39:42.759 --> 03:39:44.761
On behalf of rooftop solar contractors.
03:39:44.761 --> 03:39:48.325
I hope that there will be an alternate proposed decision,
03:39:48.325 --> 03:39:51.583
which is better than the original proposed decision.
03:39:51.583 --> 03:39:53.052
Thank you.
03:39:53.052 --> 03:39:53.997
Thank you.
03:39:53.997 --> 03:39:56.414
Operator, next caller please.
03:39:57.824 --> 03:39:59.866
Our next caller is Michael Harris.
03:39:59.866 --> 03:40:01.663
You may go ahead.
03:40:01.663 --> 03:40:02.871
Thank you.
03:40:02.871 --> 03:40:05.720
I live in Marin county where we've had solar
03:40:05.720 --> 03:40:07.513
at our home for 12 years.
03:40:07.513 --> 03:40:09.143
We're about to move to Sonoma county.
03:40:09.143 --> 03:40:12.175
We will also have solar on our home there.
03:40:12.175 --> 03:40:15.434
Solar is not only an environmental in imperative.
03:40:15.434 --> 03:40:18.699
It's now been shown that it is a national security
03:40:18.699 --> 03:40:21.226
and a human rights imperative.
03:40:21.226 --> 03:40:24.621
Let's take power away from the line regimes
03:40:24.621 --> 03:40:27.026
whose economic and military influence
03:40:27.026 --> 03:40:30.613
stems solely from the use of fossil fuels.
03:40:30.613 --> 03:40:34.609
It's also incredibly unfair to ask owners of solar
03:40:34.609 --> 03:40:37.138
who are helping to mitigate climate exchange
03:40:37.138 --> 03:40:40.319
to pay extra for that while we,
03:40:40.319 --> 03:40:42.722
as well as everyone else has to pay
03:40:42.722 --> 03:40:45.630
for the downstream costs of climate exchange
03:40:45.630 --> 03:40:47.297
due to fossil fuel use.
03:40:47.297 --> 03:40:49.997
So with that, I will join with every other person
03:40:49.997 --> 03:40:52.899
who has spoken in opposition to the NEM three.
03:40:52.899 --> 03:40:55.884
And also note that you have not had a single person
03:40:55.884 --> 03:40:57.845
speaking in favor of this today.
03:40:57.845 --> 03:41:00.509
So please, I hope you do take that under consideration
03:41:00.509 --> 03:41:01.860
when you make your decision.
03:41:01.860 --> 03:41:03.979
Thank you very much.
03:41:03.979 --> 03:41:04.812
Thank you.
03:41:04.812 --> 03:41:07.687
Operator, next caller please.
03:41:07.687 --> 03:41:09.724
Our next caller is Ernestine Hester.
03:41:09.724 --> 03:41:11.756
You may go ahead.
03:41:11.756 --> 03:41:12.589
[Ernestine Hester] Hi.
03:41:12.589 --> 03:41:14.271
My name is Ernestine Hester
03:41:14.271 --> 03:41:17.985
and I live in Los Angeles area of Southern California.
03:41:17.985 --> 03:41:20.479
And I hope that the CPUC and Governor Newsom
03:41:20.479 --> 03:41:23.007
are actually listening to these calls
03:41:23.007 --> 03:41:25.458
because they, like the previous person said
03:41:25.458 --> 03:41:27.580
they're all against this.
03:41:27.580 --> 03:41:31.324
So if you go forward, it's only for the benefit
03:41:31.324 --> 03:41:35.450
of the utility companies who are inefficiently run,
03:41:35.450 --> 03:41:38.748
but I am a senior citizen retired homeowner
03:41:38.748 --> 03:41:41.504
in the Los Angeles area.
03:41:41.504 --> 03:41:46.060
I have a customer of DWP and I'm trying to make ends meet
03:41:46.060 --> 03:41:50.218
with a fixed income because of the solar incentives
03:41:50.218 --> 03:41:51.889
that have are in place.
03:41:51.889 --> 03:41:54.722
I was able to scripting and saving
03:41:55.634 --> 03:41:58.701
to install a solar system with a battery storage.
03:41:58.701 --> 03:42:01.768
And the hopes was to reduce my current
03:42:01.768 --> 03:42:06.540
and future utility bills to give me some financial security,
03:42:06.540 --> 03:42:09.634
but also to give me protection against
03:42:09.634 --> 03:42:13.575
the outages of the grid when it goes down.
03:42:13.575 --> 03:42:15.157
California has stated that their goals
03:42:15.157 --> 03:42:16.325
(bell ringing)
03:42:16.325 --> 03:42:17.908
are for clean energy.
03:42:17.908 --> 03:42:18.741
Thank you.
03:42:18.741 --> 03:42:19.625
Thank you for your comment.
03:42:19.625 --> 03:42:22.042
Operator, next caller please.
03:42:25.521 --> 03:42:27.897
Our next caller is Theresa Asero.
03:42:27.897 --> 03:42:29.891
You may go ahead.
03:42:29.891 --> 03:42:30.724
Oh!
03:42:30.724 --> 03:42:31.672
Hello.
03:42:31.672 --> 03:42:33.469
I live in Shula Vista.
03:42:33.469 --> 03:42:37.225
I've had solar since December of 2000.
03:42:37.225 --> 03:42:39.760
Recently, I got a parallel battery.
03:42:39.760 --> 03:42:41.842
We need a new PD.
03:42:41.842 --> 03:42:46.409
The old PD is totally unacceptable because it penalizes
03:42:46.409 --> 03:42:50.483
the 1.3 million homes that have rooftop solar
03:42:50.483 --> 03:42:53.987
by not calming us as part of the 30% required
03:42:53.987 --> 03:42:56.281
renewable energy for the space
03:42:56.281 --> 03:43:00.035
or as an energy asset for all rate payers.
03:43:00.035 --> 03:43:02.525
Also the incredible cost that big distance
03:43:02.525 --> 03:43:06.925
environmentally destructive fire causing transmission lines.
03:43:06.925 --> 03:43:10.711
The rate payers is downplayed and the rate payers
03:43:10.711 --> 03:43:14.714
are not given ownership of them after paying for them.
03:43:14.714 --> 03:43:18.881
CPUC must come up with a good PD that fully values
03:43:19.935 --> 03:43:24.806
the superior environmental value of rooftop solar,
03:43:24.806 --> 03:43:28.140
and save our environment from the ugly destructive
03:43:28.140 --> 03:43:31.406
fire prone, long distance power lives,
03:43:31.406 --> 03:43:34.218
and the rate payers from their huge--
03:43:34.218 --> 03:43:37.298
(bell ringing)
03:43:37.298 --> 03:43:38.198
Thank you.
03:43:38.198 --> 03:43:39.031
Thank you for your comment.
03:43:39.031 --> 03:43:41.448
Operator, next caller please.
03:43:45.249 --> 03:43:47.052
Our next caller is Vivian Guan.
03:43:47.052 --> 03:43:48.469
You may go ahead.
03:43:49.912 --> 03:43:52.412
Yes, I'm here.
03:43:53.785 --> 03:43:54.709
Hello.
03:43:54.709 --> 03:43:55.542
Please go ahead.
03:43:55.542 --> 03:43:57.173
We can hear you.
03:43:57.173 --> 03:43:58.449
Hi, my name's Vivian Guan.
03:43:58.449 --> 03:44:01.221
I'm a solar user, I like solar a lot,
03:44:01.221 --> 03:44:04.169
not only helped me saving my electric bill,
03:44:04.169 --> 03:44:07.073
but also this absolutely is a great thing
03:44:07.073 --> 03:44:10.422
for our environment, because of pandemic
03:44:10.422 --> 03:44:12.796
all cause increases quickly.
03:44:12.796 --> 03:44:16.448
So that electric bill here in California,
03:44:16.448 --> 03:44:18.408
we have such great sunshine.
03:44:18.408 --> 03:44:20.799
We should take advantage of the sunshine here
03:44:20.799 --> 03:44:23.203
and protect the environment together.
03:44:23.203 --> 03:44:25.534
New CPUC makes no sense for customer
03:44:25.534 --> 03:44:28.526
who likes to go solar by California law.
03:44:28.526 --> 03:44:31.632
All of new houses need to have sold.
03:44:31.632 --> 03:44:32.746
That means in the future,
03:44:32.746 --> 03:44:34.993
all the homeowners can save money,
03:44:34.993 --> 03:44:37.195
cannot save money by going solar.
03:44:37.195 --> 03:44:39.074
This makes no sense.
03:44:39.074 --> 03:44:40.991
So, please reject this.
03:44:41.854 --> 03:44:42.687
Thank you.
03:44:43.844 --> 03:44:44.677
Thank you.
03:44:44.677 --> 03:44:47.094
Operator, next caller please.
03:44:49.416 --> 03:44:51.496
Our next caller is Dan Knight.
03:44:51.496 --> 03:44:52.913
You may go ahead.
03:44:55.099 --> 03:44:55.932
Hello.
03:44:55.932 --> 03:44:56.771
Can you hear me?
03:44:56.771 --> 03:44:58.663
Yes, we can.
03:44:58.663 --> 03:44:59.496
Hi.
03:44:59.496 --> 03:45:04.329
I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you guys today.
03:45:04.329 --> 03:45:08.046
It's very disheartening in California.
03:45:08.046 --> 03:45:11.783
It just seems like being run into the ground.
03:45:11.783 --> 03:45:14.835
When we should be investing in water,
03:45:14.835 --> 03:45:16.668
not high speeded rail,
03:45:20.141 --> 03:45:24.340
solar Is not a rich person's undertaking.
03:45:24.340 --> 03:45:27.835
It took me to get a loan to pay for mine.
03:45:27.835 --> 03:45:32.782
And to say this is for rich people is just ridiculous.
03:45:32.782 --> 03:45:36.664
And I hope all you on the board are listening.
03:45:36.664 --> 03:45:38.489
I really appreciate the guy who said
03:45:38.489 --> 03:45:42.747
for you guys to raise your hands during his testimony,
03:45:42.747 --> 03:45:44.940
because I hope you really take into account
03:45:44.940 --> 03:45:47.191
what we're saying.
03:45:47.191 --> 03:45:51.745
This is beyond politics and it's just the right thing to do.
03:45:51.745 --> 03:45:53.912
Please take this decision,
03:45:54.813 --> 03:45:57.231
even if you've already decided
03:45:57.231 --> 03:46:00.103
on what you were gonna do before you're listening to us.
03:46:00.103 --> 03:46:02.859
Please, please take this very seriously.
03:46:02.859 --> 03:46:03.936
(bell ringing)
03:46:03.936 --> 03:46:04.769
Thank you.
03:46:04.769 --> 03:46:05.691
Appreciate it.
03:46:05.691 --> 03:46:07.117
Thank you.
03:46:07.117 --> 03:46:09.534
Operator, next caller please.
03:46:10.725 --> 03:46:13.320
Our next caller is Tesa Woodman C.
03:46:13.320 --> 03:46:14.737
You may go ahead.
03:46:16.104 --> 03:46:17.832
Okay, good. Yes.
03:46:17.832 --> 03:46:18.665
Thank you.
03:46:18.665 --> 03:46:21.604
I'm Tesa Woodman C. resident of San Jose,
03:46:21.604 --> 03:46:26.484
and I am against the net energy metering increases
03:46:26.484 --> 03:46:31.083
and any charges on solar, any taxes on solar users?
03:46:31.083 --> 03:46:33.814
Our current rely on fossil fuels,
03:46:33.814 --> 03:46:37.614
including natural gas is now set to destroy
03:46:37.614 --> 03:46:41.037
global civilization via the twin threats
03:46:41.037 --> 03:46:44.218
of global heating and global war.
03:46:44.218 --> 03:46:47.564
The low hanging fruit to reduce our dependency
03:46:47.564 --> 03:46:51.692
on fossil fuels is residential rooftop solar
03:46:51.692 --> 03:46:54.879
as an alternative to this proposed solar tax,
03:46:54.879 --> 03:46:59.196
the CPUC should certainly place a carbon fee
03:46:59.196 --> 03:47:01.979
on the consumption of natural gas
03:47:01.979 --> 03:47:05.829
and then rebate a 100% of that to help pay
03:47:05.829 --> 03:47:08.893
for even more rooftop residential solar
03:47:08.893 --> 03:47:11.027
in underserved communities.
03:47:11.027 --> 03:47:14.902
So more of us can participate in saving ourselves
03:47:14.902 --> 03:47:17.884
from global heating and global warfare.
03:47:17.884 --> 03:47:18.717
Thank you.
03:47:18.717 --> 03:47:20.695
(bell ringing)
03:47:20.695 --> 03:47:21.595
Thank you.
03:47:21.595 --> 03:47:24.147
And I did wanna pause for a moment and announce
03:47:24.147 --> 03:47:28.060
that the Commission will be taking a short break at 2:15.
03:47:28.060 --> 03:47:32.187
Again, we will be going into recess at 2:15 until 2:30.
03:47:32.187 --> 03:47:35.314
Just an announcement to get you advanced notice.
03:47:35.314 --> 03:47:38.826
We'll commence with additional calls until then.
03:47:38.826 --> 03:47:41.243
Operator, next caller please.
03:47:42.381 --> 03:47:44.596
Our next caller is June Danzel.
03:47:44.596 --> 03:47:46.013
You may go ahead.
03:47:47.734 --> 03:47:48.567
Hello.
03:47:48.567 --> 03:47:51.667
My name is June Danzel Solano County residents
03:47:51.667 --> 03:47:54.917
like everyone else on the previous call
03:47:55.960 --> 03:47:59.774
that mentioned and said about their grievances
03:47:59.774 --> 03:48:02.181
regarding about this proposal.
03:48:02.181 --> 03:48:06.348
I do agree to all this people that spoke before me
03:48:08.059 --> 03:48:11.404
on hand regarding about we even considering
03:48:11.404 --> 03:48:15.071
this proposal and nothing else on this call,
03:48:16.868 --> 03:48:18.711
disagree about this.
03:48:18.711 --> 03:48:21.211
I mean agree on this proposal.
03:48:23.081 --> 03:48:26.331
So, all I get to say is nothing is good
03:48:27.287 --> 03:48:28.757
will come out with this proposal.
03:48:28.757 --> 03:48:33.458
Only the utility company that would gain profit
03:48:33.458 --> 03:48:37.208
and pay for their negligence for being people
03:48:39.827 --> 03:48:43.780
that lost their house and their property.
03:48:43.780 --> 03:48:44.613
That's all.
03:48:44.613 --> 03:48:45.746
Thank you.
03:48:45.746 --> 03:48:46.579
Thank you.
03:48:46.579 --> 03:48:48.412
Operator, next caller.
03:48:51.013 --> 03:48:52.689
Our next caller is Bill Brown.
03:48:52.689 --> 03:48:54.106
You may go ahead.
03:49:01.285 --> 03:49:02.224
Hi again, Bill Brown.
03:49:02.224 --> 03:49:03.057
You may go ahead.
03:49:03.057 --> 03:49:04.557
Your line is open.
03:49:05.614 --> 03:49:07.572
Okay.
03:49:07.572 --> 03:49:08.405
I'm Bill Brown.
03:49:08.405 --> 03:49:12.488
I'm from Simi valley in Ventura county, California.
03:49:12.488 --> 03:49:17.071
And I just wanted to say that after a year of listening
03:49:18.255 --> 03:49:21.588
to the utilities, anti-solar propaganda,
03:49:22.645 --> 03:49:24.478
why are we still here?
03:49:25.680 --> 03:49:29.104
The CPUC silence and lack of a timeline
03:49:29.104 --> 03:49:31.687
for decision is not acceptable.
03:49:32.812 --> 03:49:35.278
Where are all these poor people
03:49:35.278 --> 03:49:38.694
that are being affected by rooftop solar?
03:49:38.694 --> 03:49:39.836
Why aren't they here?
03:49:39.836 --> 03:49:41.020
Why aren't they speaking?
03:49:41.020 --> 03:49:46.020
Where is anybody that is against this in the two meetings
03:49:46.193 --> 03:49:48.040
where the public has spoken and you're
03:49:48.040 --> 03:49:51.065
the California Public Utilities Commission,
03:49:51.065 --> 03:49:52.807
the public is speaking.
03:49:52.807 --> 03:49:56.974
Everybody on these calls is in favor of wiping out
03:49:58.379 --> 03:50:02.709
this net three metering and advancing rooftop solar
03:50:02.709 --> 03:50:04.724
there's there's no opposition.
03:50:04.724 --> 03:50:06.550
And so what is going on?
03:50:06.550 --> 03:50:10.412
There's a SOS in California like a previous caller said,
03:50:10.412 --> 03:50:13.557
so save our solar, save our savings.
03:50:13.557 --> 03:50:14.393
I invest.
03:50:14.393 --> 03:50:15.226
(bell ringing)
03:50:15.226 --> 03:50:16.549
I made a retirement investment.
03:50:16.549 --> 03:50:17.382
Thank you.
03:50:17.382 --> 03:50:18.496
Thank you for your comment.
03:50:18.496 --> 03:50:20.913
operator, next caller please.
03:50:24.392 --> 03:50:26.856
Our next caller is Dr. John Maholick.
03:50:26.856 --> 03:50:29.068
You may go ahead.
03:50:29.068 --> 03:50:29.901
[Dr. John Maholick] Good afternoon,
03:50:29.901 --> 03:50:31.532
Mr. President and Commissioners.
03:50:31.532 --> 03:50:33.732
And thank you for your service to the people
03:50:33.732 --> 03:50:35.923
of the state of California.
03:50:35.923 --> 03:50:38.035
My name is Dr. John Maholick and like you,
03:50:38.035 --> 03:50:41.291
I also serve the people of California
03:50:41.291 --> 03:50:44.293
as a rural physician in Hillsborough, California.
03:50:44.293 --> 03:50:47.341
I see the climate crisis as the greatest threat
03:50:47.341 --> 03:50:50.685
to health of the people of California.
03:50:50.685 --> 03:50:52.753
Continued incentives to local solar
03:50:52.753 --> 03:50:56.575
production will help reduce this risk.
03:50:56.575 --> 03:50:58.715
The use of fossil fuels perpetuate
03:50:58.715 --> 03:51:00.310
the known health threats of fire,
03:51:00.310 --> 03:51:02.934
droughts and extreme weather.
03:51:02.934 --> 03:51:06.179
But I personally see and treat the effects
03:51:06.179 --> 03:51:08.452
of heat and air pollution and the result
03:51:08.452 --> 03:51:12.062
in suffering among farm workers and their families.
03:51:12.062 --> 03:51:14.108
High rates of asthma are common,
03:51:14.108 --> 03:51:15.826
especially among the poor.
03:51:15.826 --> 03:51:17.661
And it's worsened by living in houses
03:51:17.661 --> 03:51:21.128
where gas is used for heating and cooking.
03:51:21.128 --> 03:51:23.455
Many of my patients are dependent on electricity
03:51:23.455 --> 03:51:25.613
to run medical devices as well.
03:51:25.613 --> 03:51:27.820
And they're at risk during blackouts.
03:51:27.820 --> 03:51:30.357
Local solar is part of the solution to electrifying
03:51:30.357 --> 03:51:33.999
our homes and improving health conditions within our homes.
03:51:33.999 --> 03:51:36.365
So not only should we not rule back
03:51:36.365 --> 03:51:37.345
existing centers from solar--
03:51:37.345 --> 03:51:38.178
(bell ringing)
03:51:38.178 --> 03:51:39.795
Thank you
03:51:39.795 --> 03:51:41.461
[Dr. John Maholick] But we should-- (indistinct)
03:51:41.461 --> 03:51:42.885
Thank you very much for your comment.
03:51:42.885 --> 03:51:45.302
Operator, next caller please.
03:51:47.945 --> 03:51:51.300
Our next caller is Megan Maraz Barrett.
03:51:51.300 --> 03:51:52.717
You may go ahead.
03:51:54.425 --> 03:51:55.258
[Megan Moraz Barrett] Hi.
03:51:55.258 --> 03:51:56.163
My name is Megan Moraz Barrett,
03:51:56.163 --> 03:51:57.933
and I've worked in the solar industry
03:51:57.933 --> 03:51:59.968
for over seven years now
03:51:59.968 --> 03:52:03.961
for the last five, I have worked on San Ramon
03:52:03.961 --> 03:52:06.679
with solar technologies on a team helping businesses
03:52:06.679 --> 03:52:08.791
improve their financial stability by adding
03:52:08.791 --> 03:52:12.047
solar and batteries to their facilities.
03:52:12.047 --> 03:52:13.895
I'm opposed the NEM three proposal
03:52:13.895 --> 03:52:15.919
due to the negative effects it will have
03:52:15.919 --> 03:52:18.031
on the bottom lines of the businesses
03:52:18.031 --> 03:52:20.011
that I help support.
03:52:20.011 --> 03:52:21.859
Thank you for your time.
03:52:21.859 --> 03:52:22.783
Thank you.
03:52:22.783 --> 03:52:25.200
Operator, next caller please.
03:52:27.491 --> 03:52:28.855
Our next caller is Mike Johnson
03:52:28.855 --> 03:52:31.297
with city of vent of Ventura.
03:52:31.297 --> 03:52:32.714
You may go ahead.
03:52:39.338 --> 03:52:41.582
Again Mike Johnson, you're line is open.
03:52:41.582 --> 03:52:44.918
We're not able to hear you. Please check your mute button.
03:52:47.610 --> 03:52:52.054
Operator, I think we called Mr. Johnson earlier.
03:52:52.054 --> 03:52:54.606
Okay, we'll go to the next caller.
03:52:54.606 --> 03:52:57.356
Alfred Petzner, you may go ahead.
03:53:05.211 --> 03:53:06.525
Again Alfred Petzner,
03:53:06.525 --> 03:53:07.358
your line is open.
03:53:07.358 --> 03:53:09.534
We're not able to hear you.
03:53:09.534 --> 03:53:11.529
Hi, sorry about that.
03:53:11.529 --> 03:53:12.362
Yes.
03:53:12.362 --> 03:53:15.091
I've been a solar provider in a PG&E for over seven years.
03:53:15.091 --> 03:53:19.358
In that, time I've given PG&E over 13,000 kilowatts
03:53:19.358 --> 03:53:23.684
of excess solar, which they paid me to the three cents for,
03:53:23.684 --> 03:53:28.684
and they later sold to their customers for over 30 cents.
03:53:29.162 --> 03:53:29.995
Tenfold profit.
03:53:29.995 --> 03:53:31.239
How are they losing?
03:53:31.239 --> 03:53:35.906
They are cheating, they're low income users and I'm not.
03:53:38.060 --> 03:53:42.810
CPUC NEM three proposal would make California the lowest,
03:53:44.616 --> 03:53:46.813
the most hostile state in the United States
03:53:46.813 --> 03:53:49.432
to green power and solar.
03:53:49.432 --> 03:53:51.442
The CPUC's mission statement says
03:53:51.442 --> 03:53:55.041
that they were formed to protect the consumer.
03:53:55.041 --> 03:53:58.593
You should start to do that by being more transparent,
03:53:58.593 --> 03:54:01.510
represent us and not the utilities.
03:54:02.511 --> 03:54:04.224
Thank you very much for listening to me
03:54:04.224 --> 03:54:06.807
and please vote no on NEM three
03:54:08.308 --> 03:54:10.965
and honor the commitment to NEM two.
03:54:10.965 --> 03:54:11.798
Thank you.
03:54:12.635 --> 03:54:13.490
Thank you.
03:54:13.490 --> 03:54:16.711
Operator, next caller please.
03:54:16.711 --> 03:54:19.034
Our next caller is Alex Deeterr.
03:54:19.034 --> 03:54:20.216
You may go ahead.
03:54:20.216 --> 03:54:22.216
One sec, one sec, one second.
03:54:22.216 --> 03:54:23.049
Good afternoon.
03:54:23.049 --> 03:54:23.887
My name Alex Deeter,
03:54:23.887 --> 03:54:26.176
and I work for SunGreen Systems in Pasadena.
03:54:26.176 --> 03:54:27.932
I am against the NEM three proposal
03:54:27.932 --> 03:54:30.420
and it's been painful to see this continue
03:54:30.420 --> 03:54:32.584
with our climate emergency and current war
03:54:32.584 --> 03:54:33.943
crimes in Petro states.
03:54:33.943 --> 03:54:35.901
So my patients is running thin today.
03:54:35.901 --> 03:54:39.458
Surprise 45% of Californians rent.
03:54:39.458 --> 03:54:40.846
We need virtual net meter
03:54:40.846 --> 03:54:42.732
and community solar programs that work.
03:54:42.732 --> 03:54:44.118
How do rebate for solar,
03:54:44.118 --> 03:54:45.877
how to help renters go solar.
03:54:45.877 --> 03:54:47.425
Over the past year, our industry customers
03:54:47.425 --> 03:54:50.328
and supporters have given up countless days
03:54:50.328 --> 03:54:51.552
to convey our opinions to you.
03:54:51.552 --> 03:54:52.895
We have spent hours on hold
03:54:52.895 --> 03:54:54.929
for these comment periods every two weeks.
03:54:54.929 --> 03:54:57.664
We have spent hours protesting outside of your offices.
03:54:57.664 --> 03:54:59.047
And meanwhile have only heard
03:54:59.047 --> 03:55:01.656
a handful of comments that support this decision.
03:55:01.656 --> 03:55:05.165
The utilities out spent by ten's of millions to lobby you.
03:55:05.165 --> 03:55:07.447
We have seen full environmental organizations
03:55:07.447 --> 03:55:10.136
that are funded by them support this decision.
03:55:10.136 --> 03:55:12.101
Where are their comments on these calls?
03:55:12.101 --> 03:55:15.164
Are IOU executives waiting on hold to comment?
03:55:15.164 --> 03:55:17.288
Tragically their money is being listened to
03:55:17.288 --> 03:55:18.682
because the California legislature
03:55:18.682 --> 03:55:20.840
nearly revoked net metering last year,
03:55:20.840 --> 03:55:23.330
and this proposed NEM decision exists.
03:55:23.330 --> 03:55:25.162
Where did this money come from?
03:55:25.162 --> 03:55:25.995
(bell ringing)
03:55:25.995 --> 03:55:27.124
Californians paid them and--
03:55:27.124 --> 03:55:27.957
(indistinct)
03:55:27.957 --> 03:55:28.790
Thank you.
03:55:28.790 --> 03:55:29.623
Thank you for your comment.
03:55:29.623 --> 03:55:32.040
Operator, next caller please.
03:55:33.841 --> 03:55:37.362
Our next caller is Ernesto Montenero.
03:55:37.362 --> 03:55:38.779
You may go ahead.
03:55:39.638 --> 03:55:40.471
[Ernesto Montenero] Yes.
03:55:40.471 --> 03:55:41.304
Good afternoon.
03:55:41.304 --> 03:55:43.387
This Ernesto Montenero with Sustainable Technologies,
03:55:43.387 --> 03:55:45.720
solar provider for 22 years.
03:55:47.297 --> 03:55:51.630
We're a company of professionals that are well paid.
03:55:57.409 --> 03:55:58.973
we provide health insurance
03:55:58.973 --> 03:56:03.056
and I find it crazy that we're talking about this
03:56:04.362 --> 03:56:06.604
right now because all the staff
03:56:06.604 --> 03:56:08.242
that people have said so far,
03:56:08.242 --> 03:56:11.242
and also it seems like a crazy idea.
03:56:13.749 --> 03:56:16.971
We should be talking about making a municipal utility
03:56:16.971 --> 03:56:19.464
and how to put solar on every roof.
03:56:19.464 --> 03:56:22.364
Not like charging people to put solar.
03:56:22.364 --> 03:56:25.137
The utilities are trying to take the investment
03:56:25.137 --> 03:56:28.970
that we made and they're pocketing that money.
03:56:31.013 --> 03:56:33.092
I'm afraid that you're not gonna listen to us
03:56:33.092 --> 03:56:35.911
and you're gonna just vote for the utilities.
03:56:35.911 --> 03:56:40.192
I hope you find find some heart and you listen.
03:56:40.192 --> 03:56:42.269
Thank you very much.
03:56:42.269 --> 03:56:43.738
Thank you.
03:56:43.738 --> 03:56:45.451
And with that, the Commission
03:56:45.451 --> 03:56:47.448
will now be taking a short break.
03:56:47.448 --> 03:56:50.674
We'll go in to recess and we'll return
03:56:50.674 --> 03:56:52.465
to resume the public comment portion
03:56:52.465 --> 03:56:54.993
of our meeting at 2:15.
03:56:54.993 --> 03:56:55.976
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President Reynolds.
03:57:12.930 --> 03:57:14.957
You may proceed.
03:57:14.957 --> 03:57:15.790
Thank you.
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Welcome back, everyone.
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Agenda Clerk.
03:57:17.858 --> 03:57:20.592
Could you please call the roll?
03:57:20.592 --> 03:57:23.259
Commission John Reynolds?
03:57:23.259 --> 03:57:24.301
Here.
03:57:24.301 --> 03:57:26.989
Commissioner Houck?
03:57:26.989 --> 03:57:28.582
Here.
03:57:28.582 --> 03:57:30.672
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:57:30.672 --> 03:57:31.505
Present.
03:57:32.670 --> 03:57:34.427
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:57:34.427 --> 03:57:35.260
Here.
03:57:36.509 --> 03:57:38.950
president Alice Reynolds?
03:57:38.950 --> 03:57:40.340
Here.
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We have a quorum.
03:57:42.092 --> 03:57:44.299
We're now ready to continue
03:57:44.299 --> 03:57:47.246
the public comment portion of our meeting.
03:57:47.246 --> 03:57:49.663
Operator, next caller please.
03:57:55.567 --> 03:57:58.297
Our next caller is Carmerly Turkinjo.
03:57:58.297 --> 03:57:59.630
You me go ahead.
03:58:00.704 --> 03:58:01.537
Hello?
03:58:01.537 --> 03:58:03.192
Can you hear me Ma'am?
03:58:03.192 --> 03:58:04.779
Yes, we can.
03:58:04.779 --> 03:58:05.835
[Carmerly Turkinjo] Okay.
03:58:05.835 --> 03:58:08.528
This is Carmerly Turkinjo
03:58:08.528 --> 03:58:11.695
from Loma Linda San Bernardino County.
03:58:12.934 --> 03:58:17.792
First and foremost, I would like to thank everybody there.
03:58:17.792 --> 03:58:21.792
CPUC, listeners and honorable government leaders
03:58:24.683 --> 03:58:27.176
who are participant in the resolution
03:58:27.176 --> 03:58:29.426
of our contributial issues.
03:58:31.090 --> 03:58:33.859
Now from my perspective,
03:58:33.859 --> 03:58:37.774
I strongly oppose whatever current proposals
03:58:37.774 --> 03:58:42.024
being made to increase additional financial burden.
03:58:43.244 --> 03:58:46.827
Two years ago, we invested $18,890 paid off
03:58:50.062 --> 03:58:54.229
to a Sunrun lease solar 16 panels plus LG battery.
03:58:56.517 --> 03:59:00.697
We did that because we are senior citizens
03:59:00.697 --> 03:59:02.985
with medical issues.
03:59:02.985 --> 03:59:06.652
And to just set aside from financial burden,
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we use our old earned savings.
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I helped attest to you what really transformed
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since that agreement was--
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(bell ringing)
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So, it has really a factual negative financial impact on us.
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First contrary to solar agents presented
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common incentive tax credit San Bernardino County
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tax office had increased significantly
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our property tax, reason--
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Thank you.
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(indistinct)
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Could you please wrap up your comment?
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Your time is up.
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[Carmerly Turkinjo] It's not even one minute.
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Second.
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(President Reynolds chuckling)
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Should we go--
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(indistinct)
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You feel free to submit comments by email.
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Everyone should note the email address.
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If you have comments longer than one minute,
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please feel free to submit them in writing.
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Yes, let's go to the next caller operator.
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Our next caller is Chad Riccolo.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, can you hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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Hi, my name's Chad Riccolo.
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I'm with ADT solar.
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I've been in the industry for about 15 years
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and completely oppose NEM 3.0.
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I'm responsible for many jobs and many homeowners.
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And this is gonna be a massive detriment
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to the industry and to the individual
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that I see on a daily basis with ADT
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coming in as new into the industry,
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we're trying to spread our wings as well
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and bring opportunity across many states.
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And like it said earlier in some comments where,
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what happens in California,
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we will eventually make its way to other states.
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We really need to set the example and do what's right.
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So, I oppose NEM 3.0.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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(indistinct)
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Our next caller is Paul Ellis
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with solar energy partners.
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You may go ahead
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And it appears he disconnected
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our next caller is Bill Young.
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You may go ahead.
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Yes.
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As you just said,
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my name is Bill Young.
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I live in backfield, California,
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same I retired.
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We installed the largest solar panel field
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that would sit on my roof and it only does about 30%.
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I agree a 100% with everything said before me.
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So my comment, what I would like to add
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is that the CPUC approved Southern Cal Ed
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and PG&E's initiatives back 20 years ago
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to try and do instead to go to solar,
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wind and to avoid peaker plants because
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of the California energy load being
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so high on the hottest days,
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they avoided spending billions and billions of dollars,
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which was a savings to them by incentivizing
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all of us to use solar and other means
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of alternative energy.
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Now they're feeling the impact of the fires
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and the huge lawsuits as well as possibly
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reductions in the overall load,
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which is the reduced revenue
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(bell ringing)
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and point is--
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Okay.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Howard Fallon.
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You may go ahead.
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Again, Howard Fallon, your line is open.
04:03:05.107 --> 04:03:06.398
Please check your mute button.
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We're not able to hear you.
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Shall we go to the next caller?
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Yes. Thank you Operator.
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Our next caller is May Tift.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi.
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Can you hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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Thank You.
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I'm May Tift from San Rael, California
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and I've vehemently opposed NEM three.
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I wanna say shame on you to PG&E
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and I'm wondering what is it gonna take for us
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to wake up to the reality of this climate emergency?
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We need to do the right thing.
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I was in San Francisco this morning with over,
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Sorry, just ran...
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(breathing heavily)
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a 100 people who support rooftop solar
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is a very exciting group.
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We're allow, we're committed and we're not gonna give up.
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My 13 year old son was there with me, Sky London,
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And I'm here to seek up for our planet.
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We absolutely have to deal with this crisis
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and we have to deal with it now.
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It's critical that we increase our rooftop solar
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right now, and we have to decrease
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our reliance on fossil fuels.
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We have to use renewable energy.
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We have to do it now.
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I'm also very upset that I carefully
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priced out the system that we bought.
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It was a stretch.
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We had to amortize it over 20 years
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(bell ringing)
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And now I'm being penalized.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Ben Justino.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi.
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My name is Ben.
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I work in the solar industry.
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I wanna say something that I haven't heard yet,
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but a bad NEM three three decision
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would put all 70,000 solar careers
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across the state in jeopardy.
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Our careers would be replaced with temporary
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six month unskilled labor installing utility scale solar,
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those low paying temp jobs,
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help utilities get to that fictitious $20 per watt.
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They use in their faulty cost models
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for utility scale solar.
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Rooftop solar supports good paying careers
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for a growing number of people across the state.
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Maintaining systems should be encouraged
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with favorable any NEM three decision.
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This keeps these existing operating systems online.
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The longer these systems run
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the better the positive environmental impact
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and benefits to homeowners as well.
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A bad NEM three would effectively stop
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new rooftop installations and also devalue
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the billions of dollars of public
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and private investment in rooftop solar.
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A bad NEM three would send financial signals
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to system owners to remove the panels from their roof.
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This would be a huge waste and a sad outcome for the state.
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You pull that proposed decision to rework it.
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Please take your task seriously
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because it has a huge implications
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for people like me all across the state
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in a amazing career path.
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So, thank you for listening to me.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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And Our next caller is Paul Ellis.
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You may go ahead
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Again Paul Ellis, your line is open.
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We're not able to hear you.
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Please check your mute button.
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Can you hear me now?
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We can.
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Okay.
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My name's Paul Ellis.
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I'm a consultant with Solar Energy Partners.
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I'm from Santa Clarita, California.
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The CPUC needs to make the utility companies
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honor the NEM one and two agreements,
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thereby opposing NEM three.
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Also ensure that solar remains affordable, beneficial,
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and desired by the working class homeowners
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who are the backbone of the economy.
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Homeowner assistance for medical,
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disabled and retired people needs to be increased.
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Solar is creating jobs in helping the economy grow
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throughout California and the entire or USA,
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and should be encouraged.
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Residential solar is helping
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not hurting the utility companies.
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The management of the power generated is a real issue
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and reduces the use of long transmission lines.
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Help us save the environment by saving our jobs
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and let's meet our clean energy goals.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Kim Stringzelo.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, can you hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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Good afternoon.
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I'm a single female homeowner in Joshua tree.
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I purchased my three kilowatt rooftop solar system
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in 2012 through a small local installer
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encouraged by state and federal incentives.
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I'm in the process of updating my system with more panels.
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I'm against any solar tax of any kind.
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We need to ensure that distributor rooftop solar
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remains affordable for everyone in the state.
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I'm particularly disturbed how community solar programs
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are threatened by the CPUC's proposed changes
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to net metering, high Country News
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just published a article this week.
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And I'd like to quote from it.
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Energy just as advocates say that community solar
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is one of the most important ways to make
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renewable energy accessible to all
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while community ownership is crucial to ensuring
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that solar benefits are more evenly distributed,
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community solar, creating small solar farms
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on community centers, vacant lands
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nearby landfills allows household
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who don't have rooftop--
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(bell ringing)
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(indistinct)
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Thank you for your comments.
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Renewables--
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Thank you very much.
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Community solar--
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Mark L Field.
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You may go ahead.
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Can you hear me?
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Yes, we can.
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My name is mark Delfield.
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I live in the Eastbay and I'm asking you
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to not tax or penalize rooftop solar.
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Based on your last meeting in this meeting,
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if you go ahead with any proposal that discourages solar
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you'll demonstrate to everyone that public comment
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has no meaning, no meaning at all.
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Your website says we help Californians receive safe,
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clean, and affordable utility services.
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And that's what rooftop solar does.
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And it's the opposite of what the utilities have been doing.
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For example, my utility PG&E has been not safe,
04:10:03.905 --> 04:10:06.556
not clean and not affordable.
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PG&E has pled guilty to manslaughter in the fire
04:10:09.247 --> 04:10:11.979
that destroyed the entire town of paradise.
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You really want to pander the criminals,
04:10:14.714 --> 04:10:18.173
please start it over, honor your promises
04:10:18.173 --> 04:10:21.555
and do your best to increase existing incentives
04:10:21.555 --> 04:10:24.293
so that more families can go solar and in turn
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reduce the devastating effects of climate change.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Shannon Schaffer.
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You may go ahead.
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[Shannon Schaffer] Hi, my name is Shannon Schaffer.
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I'm from aromas, California,
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and I'm calling in opposition to this NEM three proposal
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as a retired pro... Oh, just a moment please.
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As I purchased my solar system and back in 2009,
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with the goal of both protecting the environment
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and offsetting costs to during my retirement,
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I paid taxes on that purchase and object
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to the proposed solar tax.
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There should be no solar tax.
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It isn't fair to require homes to have solar
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and then place an additional tax upon those families.
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We should be striving to encourage more families to invest
04:11:20.913 --> 04:11:23.864
in solar in order to become energy, independent,
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protect our environment, limit the effects
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of power outages and control our costs.
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The majority of my electric costs
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are in the transmission and meter fees.
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It is already difficult to make ends meet on a fixed income.
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NEM three will have the opposite effective equity
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making it unafordable and excluding many families.
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It'll be (bell rings) it'll additional families
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from installing solar, which will be a--
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Thank you very much for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Zach McMorty.
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You may go ahead.
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Good afternoon Commissioners.
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Thank you for taking my call today.
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I appreciate all the time you've taken to listen
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to all our comments against NEM three three solar
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I too opposed to NEM three solar.
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I work for a electrical contractor in Northern California,
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and we would, if it goes through,
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we would have to lay off probably about half
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of our workers and it creates a lot of uncertainty
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and progress for us in the future.
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Solar is good for the state.
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It's good for our energy needs,
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and it'll also help offset the electrical grid for guys
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that are going to electric cars in the future.
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So please do everything you can to keep solar
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alive in the industry and in the state.
04:12:41.815 --> 04:12:43.123
And I appreciate your time.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller, David Girly.
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You may go ahead.
04:12:55.269 --> 04:12:59.052
I live in Santa Rosa
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still after losing my home and everything in it
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in the tubs fire in 2017,
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any NEM three will require me fire victims everywhere
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and all solar customers across the state
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to pay the big companies to recoup the costs
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associated with their continuously bad decisions.
04:13:19.927 --> 04:13:22.415
Looking at the CPUC website, there's a long list
04:13:22.415 --> 04:13:26.094
of its repeated safety violations and citations
04:13:26.094 --> 04:13:29.807
to those suppliers still in a mega drought
04:13:29.807 --> 04:13:33.161
with undoubtedly more fires come electric cars
04:13:33.161 --> 04:13:34.959
and trucks should be in every garage.
04:13:34.959 --> 04:13:37.930
CPUC should be pushing for more cheaper rooftop
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generated green power, not less magically.
04:13:41.122 --> 04:13:44.156
The website for PG&E has been down
04:13:44.156 --> 04:13:45.530
during this entire call,
04:13:45.530 --> 04:13:48.712
but referencing the earlier bills I've saved PG&E's
04:13:48.712 --> 04:13:50.635
recent hikes have increased my bill
04:13:50.635 --> 04:13:52.884
by over 50% in the last year.
04:13:52.884 --> 04:13:56.804
And I see PG&E's 2023 rate increase request is already
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been filed with CPUC.
04:13:59.416 --> 04:14:02.725
So why --(bell rings)
04:14:02.725 --> 04:14:03.582
Thank you.
04:14:03.582 --> 04:14:05.133
Thank you for your comment.
04:14:05.133 --> 04:14:07.466
Operator next caller please.
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Our next caller is Bertrand Perry.
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You may go ahead.
04:14:17.135 --> 04:14:19.628
Hello.
04:14:19.628 --> 04:14:20.647
Hello Commissioner.
04:14:20.647 --> 04:14:24.195
My name is Bertrand Perry and I'm the Davis president.
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First do not institute the solar tax and please honor
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the existing 20 year protection for existing solar users.
04:14:31.817 --> 04:14:34.954
CPUC need to announce this is no longer a consider
04:14:34.954 --> 04:14:39.367
and be open and of what, what they are planning now.
04:14:39.367 --> 04:14:42.791
Second, keep the annual tool up to allow for designing
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higher efficiency service rooftop solar.
04:14:45.764 --> 04:14:48.856
Sure, incentivize bad fee for new rooftop solar,
04:14:48.856 --> 04:14:51.096
but also for existing system.
04:14:51.096 --> 04:14:54.755
That means do not for people to choose between their current
04:14:54.755 --> 04:14:57.506
name agreement and installing battery.
04:14:57.506 --> 04:15:00.797
The mobile fee goes online, the better for everybody.
04:15:00.797 --> 04:15:03.817
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
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Thank you.
04:15:04.730 --> 04:15:07.147
Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Brian Lamoreaux.
04:15:13.949 --> 04:15:15.366
You may go ahead.
04:15:24.104 --> 04:15:26.241
Again, Brian Lamoreaux your line is open.
04:15:26.241 --> 04:15:28.116
We're not able to hear you.
04:15:28.116 --> 04:15:29.051
Okay, thank you.
04:15:29.051 --> 04:15:29.884
Yes.
04:15:30.855 --> 04:15:33.621
I own a small, I own and operate a small drafting
04:15:33.621 --> 04:15:37.181
design drafting, an engineering service
04:15:37.181 --> 04:15:39.298
called BBL solar design.
04:15:39.298 --> 04:15:41.951
I've worked in solar industry for 20 years.
04:15:41.951 --> 04:15:45.060
I'm the sole provider for my family of five.
04:15:45.060 --> 04:15:49.381
I have a newborn child and I have a son in college.
04:15:49.381 --> 04:15:52.360
The proposed decision would kill my job.
04:15:52.360 --> 04:15:55.296
I urge you to reject the proposal.
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Utilities saying that solar unfairly impacts
04:15:58.895 --> 04:16:02.228
those who cannot afford it is dishonest.
04:16:05.707 --> 04:16:08.366
To echo what the gentleman from Powerway said
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hours before the solution is easy.
04:16:11.269 --> 04:16:14.743
All grid users can pay the same maintenance fees
04:16:14.743 --> 04:16:16.993
without shutting off solar.
04:16:18.436 --> 04:16:22.634
Utilities wanna just scourge customer owned solar.
04:16:22.634 --> 04:16:26.879
Why do utilities want to own discourage customer owned solar
04:16:26.879 --> 04:16:29.827
and build more utility owned solar?
04:16:29.827 --> 04:16:31.715
The answer is money.
04:16:31.715 --> 04:16:36.233
The decision would destroy Virgin habitat by building
04:16:36.233 --> 04:16:38.991
encouraging, building more utility scale solar.
04:16:38.991 --> 04:16:41.260
And we need that habitat to mitigate
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and fight climate change.
04:16:42.624 --> 04:16:44.082
(bell rings)
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Once that land is lost.
04:16:45.402 --> 04:16:46.235
Thank you.
04:16:46.235 --> 04:16:47.068
It can never be returned.
04:16:47.068 --> 04:16:48.709
Thank you so much.
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Thank you for your comment.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Alan Schroeder.
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You may go ahead.
04:16:58.185 --> 04:16:59.018
Yes.
04:16:59.018 --> 04:16:59.851
Good afternoon.
04:16:59.851 --> 04:17:01.776
My name's Alan Schroeder and I'm a resident
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in San Mateo, California.
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Thank you CPUC Commissioners for hearing our thoughts.
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You've heard many many people provide comments
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on the NEM three proposal well over a hundred
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and they unanimously oppose it
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for a variety of really good reason.
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I'm in the solar industry.
04:17:24.838 --> 04:17:27.728
I'm a worker in the industry and I work
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for an employer that has about a thousand employees.
04:17:32.761 --> 04:17:35.776
I, secondly, since everybody's put forth today
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to reject their current NEM three proposal,
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We all want a fair proposal that'll help us
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provide power to the grid,
04:17:45.604 --> 04:17:49.354
both through rooftop solar and utility power.
04:17:51.361 --> 04:17:53.400
We can coexist.
04:17:53.400 --> 04:17:57.759
So I asked you to go work with us, to put a plan together
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that'll work for everybody and all of us in California.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller please.
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Our next caller is Larry Justino.
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You may go ahead.
04:18:13.117 --> 04:18:14.225
Yep. Yeah.
04:18:14.225 --> 04:18:16.790
My name is Larry Justino, working in with solar
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since 1965 in the state of California.
04:18:19.646 --> 04:18:22.472
Bell telephone labs had a program in the elementary schools
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when schools in California were number one in the nation.
04:18:26.349 --> 04:18:28.516
Now they're way below that, but anyway,
04:18:28.516 --> 04:18:32.026
am CEO of community company, A1 Sun, Inc. in Berkeley.
04:18:32.026 --> 04:18:35.047
Our home electric and electric bills
04:18:35.047 --> 04:18:37.875
been running on sunshine for decades.
04:18:37.875 --> 04:18:41.125
Simple, elegant, economical, dependable
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stated by the many good callers were facing
04:18:45.295 --> 04:18:48.976
unprecedented climate, change wars over fossil fuel
04:18:48.976 --> 04:18:51.598
record energy costs, and now an economy
04:18:51.598 --> 04:18:53.557
at risk because of these things.
04:18:53.557 --> 04:18:57.878
Local solar solves all of these problems simultaneously.
04:18:57.878 --> 04:19:01.512
So let's conserve our precious, valuable time money,
04:19:01.512 --> 04:19:05.093
resources, and for the real challenges ahead.
04:19:05.093 --> 04:19:06.197
So please do the right thing.
04:19:06.197 --> 04:19:08.072
Abandon any NEM three.
04:19:08.072 --> 04:19:09.656
Thank you.
04:19:09.656 --> 04:19:10.489
Thank you.
04:19:10.489 --> 04:19:12.906
Operator, next caller please.
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And Our next caller is Brian Richmond.
04:19:17.830 --> 04:19:19.247
You may go ahead.
04:19:23.099 --> 04:19:24.557
Oh, hi there.
04:19:24.557 --> 04:19:26.110
My name is Brian Richmond.
04:19:26.110 --> 04:19:27.665
Can you hear me?
04:19:27.665 --> 04:19:29.052
Yes, we can.
04:19:29.052 --> 04:19:29.885
Good.
04:19:29.885 --> 04:19:31.022
My wife and I have three sons.
04:19:31.022 --> 04:19:33.190
We live in El Rto in the Bay area.
04:19:33.190 --> 04:19:36.005
And we did see if the CPUC's published mission
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is to serve the public interest.
04:19:39.248 --> 04:19:40.596
And I want to believe that you
04:19:40.596 --> 04:19:42.155
take that to heart Commissioners.
04:19:42.155 --> 04:19:44.729
I'm very disappointed in the proposal issued in December,
04:19:44.729 --> 04:19:47.057
but I remain hopeful that you are reminded
04:19:47.057 --> 04:19:50.248
by all of these amazing comments that your mission
04:19:50.248 --> 04:19:53.929
is to serve us the public and not utility companies.
04:19:53.929 --> 04:19:55.479
This might be the most important decision
04:19:55.479 --> 04:19:56.785
that you make as a Commissioner.
04:19:56.785 --> 04:19:58.995
It marks an inflection point in our fight
04:19:58.995 --> 04:20:01.565
against climate change and climate change
04:20:01.565 --> 04:20:03.493
is the defining problem of our time.
04:20:03.493 --> 04:20:05.165
A hundred years from now,
04:20:05.165 --> 04:20:06.675
our grandchildren will look back
04:20:06.675 --> 04:20:10.079
at the decisions that we're making now.
04:20:10.079 --> 04:20:11.943
We need to move forward, not backwards.
04:20:11.943 --> 04:20:14.437
It's critical that solar becomes more and not less
04:20:14.437 --> 04:20:17.781
affordable for working in middle class households.
04:20:17.781 --> 04:20:21.327
This is critical for reaching California's clean energy
04:20:21.327 --> 04:20:23.775
climate and open space goals.
04:20:23.775 --> 04:20:26.544
And we can't go backwards with the solar tax.
04:20:26.544 --> 04:20:28.138
We personally don't have solar,
04:20:28.138 --> 04:20:31.654
but we want it and we're waiting to learn what.
04:20:31.654 --> 04:20:33.904
(bell rings)
04:20:33.904 --> 04:20:34.801
So thank you.
04:20:34.801 --> 04:20:37.370
Thank you for your comment.
04:20:37.370 --> 04:20:40.550
Operator, next caller please.
04:20:40.550 --> 04:20:43.205
Our next caller is Catherine Von Burg.
04:20:43.205 --> 04:20:44.622
You may go ahead.
04:20:48.880 --> 04:20:49.742
[Catherine Von Burg] Yes, thank you.
04:20:49.742 --> 04:20:53.642
Catherine Von Burg CEO of SimpliPhi Power
04:20:53.642 --> 04:20:58.288
manufacturer of clean energy storage here in California.
04:20:58.288 --> 04:21:01.714
Penalizing California citizens for using
04:21:01.714 --> 04:21:04.460
their hard earned dollars to do what the utilities
04:21:04.460 --> 04:21:08.047
should be doing, generating clean, distributed energy
04:21:08.047 --> 04:21:11.966
to create resilient homes, businesses and communities
04:21:11.966 --> 04:21:15.388
that reduce CO2, methane and climate change,
04:21:15.388 --> 04:21:19.789
particularly as utilities shut off the power and market.
04:21:19.789 --> 04:21:23.072
These forced blackouts as public safety
04:21:23.072 --> 04:21:26.028
power shutoffs is criminal.
04:21:26.028 --> 04:21:30.564
California utilities and the CPUC need to address
04:21:30.564 --> 04:21:33.970
climate change and rising CO2 levels and support
04:21:33.970 --> 04:21:37.621
California residents to generate more clean solar energy,
04:21:37.621 --> 04:21:42.565
not charge draconian fees that deter clean rooftop,
04:21:42.565 --> 04:21:45.933
distributed generation, which provide safety
04:21:45.933 --> 04:21:49.817
and resilience to residents during any power outage.
04:21:49.817 --> 04:21:53.058
The utilities need to invest in their own infrastructure
04:21:53.058 --> 04:21:55.780
and stop penalizing residents for investing
04:21:55.780 --> 04:21:56.613
(bell rings)
04:21:56.613 --> 04:21:59.644
in distributed solar that benefits the entire state.
04:21:59.644 --> 04:22:00.477
Thank you.
04:22:00.477 --> 04:22:01.871
[Catherine Von Burg] Commissioners, do your job
04:22:01.871 --> 04:22:04.678
and serve the public interest.
04:22:04.678 --> 04:22:06.019
Thank you for your comment.
04:22:06.019 --> 04:22:08.645
Operator, next caller please.
04:22:08.645 --> 04:22:10.895
Our next caller is Steve Rose.
04:22:10.895 --> 04:22:12.312
You may go ahead.
04:22:17.942 --> 04:22:19.422
Hello?
04:22:19.422 --> 04:22:21.341
Yes we can hear you.
04:22:21.341 --> 04:22:23.069
Okay. My name's Steve Rose,
04:22:23.069 --> 04:22:26.981
my wife and I are retired and live in Altina in LA county.
04:22:26.981 --> 04:22:29.963
Since moving here nine years (indistinct)
04:22:29.963 --> 04:22:32.456
a nonprofit organization that installs
04:22:32.456 --> 04:22:34.496
free solar on income housing
04:22:34.496 --> 04:22:38.089
while training individuals to enter the solar job market.
04:22:38.089 --> 04:22:40.053
The training I received allowed me to help
04:22:40.053 --> 04:22:42.705
make friends install an eight kilowatt system
04:22:42.705 --> 04:22:45.327
labor free on their house five years ago.
04:22:45.327 --> 04:22:46.833
I'm currently installing
04:22:46.833 --> 04:22:49.280
an eight kilowatt system in my own home.
04:22:49.280 --> 04:22:51.729
My new system opens the door for me to purchase
04:22:51.729 --> 04:22:55.267
an electric vehicle and convert my natural gas range,
04:22:55.267 --> 04:22:57.781
water heater, and dryer to electric
04:22:57.781 --> 04:23:01.289
with our expected savings of over $2,500 a year
04:23:01.289 --> 04:23:04.981
by going solar, our increase in disposable income
04:23:04.981 --> 04:23:08.696
allows us to go ahead with a drought tolerant yard as well.
04:23:08.696 --> 04:23:11.674
All the above benefits were created
04:23:11.674 --> 04:23:14.115
by going solar and helps our environment.
04:23:14.115 --> 04:23:16.650
Every dollar saved by going solar is a dollar
04:23:16.650 --> 04:23:19.023
that can be spent on rent, mortgage,
04:23:19.023 --> 04:23:21.023
health, food, et cetera.
04:23:23.559 --> 04:23:24.392
(bell rings)
04:23:24.392 --> 04:23:26.794
Please incentivize solar instead of putting up block.
04:23:26.794 --> 04:23:27.657
Thank you.
04:23:27.657 --> 04:23:29.490
Thank you.
04:23:29.490 --> 04:23:30.323
Thank you for your comment.
04:23:30.323 --> 04:23:32.656
Operator next caller please.
04:23:33.785 --> 04:23:35.989
Our next caller is Craig Gillingham.
04:23:35.989 --> 04:23:37.659
You may go ahead.
04:23:37.659 --> 04:23:40.028
[Craig Gillingham] Hi, I'm retired.
04:23:40.028 --> 04:23:42.455
I live in the High desert.
04:23:42.455 --> 04:23:47.036
I'm a grid tie provider to Southern California Eddison.
04:23:47.036 --> 04:23:50.004
I heat my home with a pellet stove
04:23:50.004 --> 04:23:53.794
and cool it with evaporative swamp coolers.
04:23:53.794 --> 04:23:55.920
It was only mentioned once taxes.
04:23:55.920 --> 04:23:59.974
When I installed solar county tax assessor up the value
04:23:59.974 --> 04:24:02.175
of my home and I've been paying every year
04:24:02.175 --> 04:24:05.175
for that addition cost due to solar.
04:24:06.509 --> 04:24:09.011
Regarding charging additional fees
04:24:09.011 --> 04:24:13.344
after two years after I got solar installed Southern
04:24:14.211 --> 04:24:17.856
California Edison started charging extra money
04:24:17.856 --> 04:24:20.808
for great expenses for us that have solar.
04:24:20.808 --> 04:24:23.981
They've done that, they've been doing that.
04:24:23.981 --> 04:24:26.585
The whole proposal is obscene.
04:24:26.585 --> 04:24:28.918
It should never have been produced.
04:24:28.918 --> 04:24:33.085
I'm sad to say that it even exist to charge taxes.
04:24:34.060 --> 04:24:35.971
It took a woman from Pasadena to say
04:24:35.971 --> 04:24:39.471
that this poor versus rich is just a sham.
04:24:41.159 --> 04:24:43.386
So vote no on this.
04:24:43.386 --> 04:24:44.219
(bell rings)
04:24:44.219 --> 04:24:45.657
Do not even consider this kind of proposal.
04:24:45.657 --> 04:24:46.490
Thank you.
04:24:46.490 --> 04:24:47.323
Thank you.
04:24:47.323 --> 04:24:48.156
Thank you.
04:24:48.156 --> 04:24:48.989
Thank you for your comment.
04:24:48.989 --> 04:24:51.637
Operator, next caller please.
04:24:51.637 --> 04:24:54.464
Our next caller is from Jonathan Greenberg
04:24:54.464 --> 04:24:56.042
with Sonoma independent.
04:24:56.042 --> 04:24:58.492
He's a Sonoma independent editor.
04:24:58.492 --> 04:24:59.825
You may go ahead
04:25:06.148 --> 04:25:07.063
Again, Jonathan Greenberg.
04:25:07.063 --> 04:25:07.924
Your line is open.
04:25:07.924 --> 04:25:10.174
We're not able to hear you.
04:25:16.344 --> 04:25:18.289
Shall we go to the next caller?
04:25:18.289 --> 04:25:19.711
Yes, please do operator.
04:25:19.711 --> 04:25:20.544
Thank you.
04:25:21.737 --> 04:25:23.791
Our next caller is Lawrence Chapman.
04:25:23.791 --> 04:25:25.124
You may go ahead
04:25:36.501 --> 04:25:37.972
And again, Lawrence Chapman
04:25:37.972 --> 04:25:39.243
I'm not able, we're not able to hear you.
04:25:39.243 --> 04:25:41.743
Please check your mute button.
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[Lawrence Chapman] Lawrence Chapman.
04:25:46.575 --> 04:25:47.957
Hello?
04:25:47.957 --> 04:25:48.790
Yes, please.
04:25:48.790 --> 04:25:49.733
Go ahead.
04:25:49.733 --> 04:25:50.566
[Lawrence Chapman] I'm sorry.
04:25:50.566 --> 04:25:52.825
I added so 11 years ago,
04:25:52.825 --> 04:25:54.731
I'm retired and I wanted to protect
04:25:54.731 --> 04:25:57.522
myself from increased expenses.
04:25:57.522 --> 04:26:00.700
Solar was very expensive back in 2009,
04:26:00.700 --> 04:26:04.345
but I justified it because of the 20 year protection
04:26:04.345 --> 04:26:07.920
and the NEM 1.0 program that was promised.
04:26:07.920 --> 04:26:11.478
I sized my system so the credit from energy I generated
04:26:11.478 --> 04:26:14.952
during I would offset my energy cost at night
04:26:14.952 --> 04:26:17.048
and I would have a zero bill.
04:26:17.048 --> 04:26:20.346
Then SDG&E added a fixed monthly charge
04:26:20.346 --> 04:26:22.704
followed by changing the time of use rates
04:26:22.704 --> 04:26:25.146
so that my credit for daytime production
04:26:25.146 --> 04:26:27.478
is now more than offset by the high rates
04:26:27.478 --> 04:26:29.547
being charged in the evenings.
04:26:29.547 --> 04:26:33.440
As a result, I'm already paying over a thousand as a year
04:26:33.440 --> 04:26:35.915
for something that was promised to be zero.
04:26:35.915 --> 04:26:38.115
As others have said, it's disappointing
04:26:38.115 --> 04:26:40.861
that we have to be calling you to ask you
04:26:40.861 --> 04:26:43.137
to simply honor your promises.
04:26:43.137 --> 04:26:46.199
Please maintain the 20 years you promised.
04:26:46.199 --> 04:26:49.099
Continue to give full credit for energy we feed
04:26:49.099 --> 04:26:51.958
into the grid during the day and not impose
04:26:51.958 --> 04:26:54.903
any further fixed monthly charges.
04:26:54.903 --> 04:26:55.736
Thank you.
04:26:56.705 --> 04:26:57.538
Thank you.
04:26:57.538 --> 04:26:59.955
Operator, next caller please.
04:27:01.023 --> 04:27:03.308
Our next caller is Lee Schwarz.
04:27:03.308 --> 04:27:05.429
You may go ahead.
04:27:05.429 --> 04:27:08.293
Hi, do I have to unmute?
04:27:08.293 --> 04:27:09.475
We can hear you.
04:27:09.475 --> 04:27:10.669
Okay.
04:27:10.669 --> 04:27:13.116
Oh. Would you mind hold holding on just a minute
04:27:13.116 --> 04:27:16.056
because I have to turn my dryer on otherwise
04:27:16.056 --> 04:27:19.941
I'm gonna be penalized for ludicrous rates.
04:27:19.941 --> 04:27:21.531
My name is Lee Schwarz.
04:27:21.531 --> 04:27:24.725
I live in sunny, San Diego county, the county that pays
04:27:24.725 --> 04:27:28.564
the highest electricity rates in the country.
04:27:28.564 --> 04:27:31.584
I am obviously opposed to NEM three.
04:27:31.584 --> 04:27:34.201
We have solar and we've had to get batteries because we
04:27:34.201 --> 04:27:37.121
are tired of living in darkness and throwing out food
04:27:37.121 --> 04:27:40.383
whenever it's too windy or too hot because your antiquated
04:27:40.383 --> 04:27:43.765
infrastructure has killed and displaced people.
04:27:43.765 --> 04:27:46.250
I don't even think that we need your utility anymore.
04:27:46.250 --> 04:27:47.516
It should be optional.
04:27:47.516 --> 04:27:50.255
I wish the only transmission lines I would have
04:27:50.255 --> 04:27:53.395
would be from my panels to my batteries, to my home.
04:27:53.395 --> 04:27:56.547
We will never go to war over solar
04:27:56.547 --> 04:27:57.770
because we have plenty of it,
04:27:57.770 --> 04:27:59.563
it's clean, it's unlimited,
04:27:59.563 --> 04:28:03.160
it fits nicely in this crowded state on our rooftops.
04:28:03.160 --> 04:28:05.525
This is where we should invest in the future,
04:28:05.525 --> 04:28:08.015
on your contract to us and continue
04:28:08.015 --> 04:28:10.265
to invest in rooftop solar.
04:28:13.746 --> 04:28:14.606
Thank you.
04:28:14.606 --> 04:28:17.023
Operator, next caller please.
04:28:18.190 --> 04:28:21.054
Our next caller is Danette Abbot Wicker.
04:28:21.054 --> 04:28:22.471
You may go ahead.
04:28:23.829 --> 04:28:24.890
[Danette Abbot Wicker] Hi, thank you so much
04:28:24.890 --> 04:28:26.274
for having these comments today.
04:28:26.274 --> 04:28:30.768
I second, all of the comments so far, great job.
04:28:30.768 --> 04:28:33.626
I live in Orange and I just wanted to start out
04:28:33.626 --> 04:28:38.626
with a couple of degree changes that our global be facing.
04:28:39.265 --> 04:28:44.212
Global crop failures hit at 1.5 to two degrees Celsius.
04:28:44.212 --> 04:28:48.416
Sun scientists say we're already past that mark.
04:28:48.416 --> 04:28:52.544
Billions diet three centimeter, I'm sorry, three Celsius.
04:28:52.544 --> 04:28:54.834
Most humans dead at four Celsius.
04:28:54.834 --> 04:28:57.667
The earth is uninhabitable by six.
04:28:58.555 --> 04:29:02.024
We're heading for 1.5 by 2025, as I said,
04:29:02.024 --> 04:29:06.660
although some say we have already been, we are already here.
04:29:06.660 --> 04:29:11.160
And then we are gonna hit four to six Celsius by 2075.
04:29:12.535 --> 04:29:14.920
No solar tax of any kind in ensure
04:29:14.920 --> 04:29:16.395
that solar becomes more affordable
04:29:16.395 --> 04:29:19.298
for working in middle class households not less.
04:29:19.298 --> 04:29:22.627
Honor the existing 20 year protection for solar users.
04:29:22.627 --> 04:29:24.939
Access to affordable energy as a human right,
04:29:24.939 --> 04:29:27.266
consumers should be able to control their energy bills.
04:29:27.266 --> 04:29:29.480
We're getting harmed by endless rate hikes.
04:29:29.480 --> 04:29:31.687
Consumers should be able to control their energy,
04:29:31.687 --> 04:29:34.340
not be penalized for it, especially for expects
04:29:34.340 --> 04:29:36.144
to switch to electric cars and appliances.
04:29:36.144 --> 04:29:37.693
Where do you think this extra monies
04:29:37.693 --> 04:29:39.011
(bell rings) gonna come from?
04:29:39.011 --> 04:29:40.928
If you can really afford to pay their utilities now.
04:29:40.928 --> 04:29:41.761
Thank you.
04:29:41.761 --> 04:29:42.594
Thank you.
04:29:42.594 --> 04:29:43.427
Thank you for your comment.
04:29:43.427 --> 04:29:45.844
Operator, next caller please.
04:29:49.031 --> 04:29:51.932
And Our next caller is Adam Bagnar.
04:29:51.932 --> 04:29:53.349
You may go ahead.
04:29:54.899 --> 04:29:55.919
Yes, thank you.
04:29:55.919 --> 04:29:59.414
Hi, my name is Adam Bagnar and I've worked
04:29:59.414 --> 04:30:02.997
in the solar industry for about nine years.
04:30:04.273 --> 04:30:06.564
In 2012, Arizona gutted them added state
04:30:06.564 --> 04:30:08.367
monthly fees for solar customers.
04:30:08.367 --> 04:30:10.583
As a result, several big companies pulled out
04:30:10.583 --> 04:30:13.479
of the state overnight, and this led to immediate job losses
04:30:13.479 --> 04:30:15.117
since California is the national
04:30:15.117 --> 04:30:16.742
(indistinct) for clean energy.
04:30:16.742 --> 04:30:18.163
Not only will this cost us jobs,
04:30:18.163 --> 04:30:20.134
it create a domino effect of other states
04:30:20.134 --> 04:30:22.800
having the same idea that we just saw a disasters
04:30:22.800 --> 04:30:24.992
then proposal passing Florida.
04:30:24.992 --> 04:30:27.910
So it's imperative, California doesn't follow that lead.
04:30:27.910 --> 04:30:29.290
I'm confident there's a solution
04:30:29.290 --> 04:30:31.171
that will increase solar costs for consumers
04:30:31.171 --> 04:30:32.855
while maintaining price equity.
04:30:32.855 --> 04:30:33.688
Thank you.
04:30:34.774 --> 04:30:35.607
Thank you.
04:30:35.607 --> 04:30:38.024
Operator, next caller please.
04:30:41.439 --> 04:30:43.576
Our next caller is Brian Grouse.
04:30:43.576 --> 04:30:44.993
You may go ahead.
04:30:46.361 --> 04:30:48.549
Hi, thank you for taking my call today.
04:30:48.549 --> 04:30:52.711
This is Brian Grouse from Palo Alto, California.
04:30:52.711 --> 04:30:56.634
I've worked with solar industry for the last 12 years
04:30:56.634 --> 04:31:01.019
and really wanted to thank all of the callers today
04:31:01.019 --> 04:31:03.777
for just all of the great points you brought up.
04:31:03.777 --> 04:31:06.721
I'm not gonna rehash those.
04:31:06.721 --> 04:31:11.721
This net meter and 3.0 situation reminds me of a situation
04:31:12.215 --> 04:31:16.263
that happened in Nevada several years ago.
04:31:16.263 --> 04:31:19.763
And the results for Nevada were not great.
04:31:21.085 --> 04:31:24.792
Tons of lost jobs, lost livelihoods.
04:31:24.792 --> 04:31:26.344
After a two year fight,
04:31:26.344 --> 04:31:28.797
we were able to get back in in Nevada.
04:31:28.797 --> 04:31:31.287
I would hate to see that happen in California,
04:31:31.287 --> 04:31:34.370
the greatest solar markets in the US.
04:31:35.935 --> 04:31:37.285
Thank you for your time Commissioners.
04:31:37.285 --> 04:31:39.452
Please do the right thing.
04:31:41.866 --> 04:31:43.616
Vote against NEM 3.0.
04:31:44.517 --> 04:31:45.947
Thank you.
04:31:45.947 --> 04:31:46.780
Thank you.
04:31:46.780 --> 04:31:49.197
Operator, next caller please.
04:31:51.844 --> 04:31:53.866
Our next caller is Jesse Elliot.
04:31:53.866 --> 04:31:55.283
You may go ahead.
04:31:56.404 --> 04:31:57.674
Hi, can you hear me?
04:31:57.674 --> 04:31:58.841
Yes, we can.
04:31:59.728 --> 04:32:03.671
Hi, kicked off many times, but thank you.
04:32:03.671 --> 04:32:05.931
So Jesse Elliot, I live in San Louis Obispo.
04:32:05.931 --> 04:32:08.335
I worked in this industry for 18 years.
04:32:08.335 --> 04:32:10.077
For 17 years, I grew one of the largest
04:32:10.077 --> 04:32:13.381
solar companies in the nation.
04:32:13.381 --> 04:32:17.117
Watched the largest utility duke energy bought us out.
04:32:17.117 --> 04:32:21.923
And I watched them basically destroy the organization
04:32:21.923 --> 04:32:24.412
due to in confidence of management.
04:32:24.412 --> 04:32:26.005
And this is what I feel's going exactly
04:32:26.005 --> 04:32:28.373
what's happening with the utility company.
04:32:28.373 --> 04:32:30.290
PG&E, SPG&E, SC, right?
04:32:31.754 --> 04:32:33.349
Incompetent management.
04:32:33.349 --> 04:32:35.294
That's why they're losing profits.
04:32:35.294 --> 04:32:38.619
It has nothing to do with solar customers
04:32:38.619 --> 04:32:41.211
taking away profits from them.
04:32:41.211 --> 04:32:45.856
And so this whole NEM proposal you've heard well
04:32:45.856 --> 04:32:49.333
over 150 comments today, we were on the phone
04:32:49.333 --> 04:32:52.439
for over like five, six hours in January,
04:32:52.439 --> 04:32:57.334
overwhelming public sediment that the NEM three proposal
04:32:57.334 --> 04:32:59.824
is garbage is premises based on garbage.
04:32:59.824 --> 04:33:03.987
And it needs to be scrapped and there needs
04:33:03.987 --> 04:33:08.039
to be a proper solution (bell rings)
04:33:08.039 --> 04:33:10.028
(indistinct) worth it.
04:33:10.028 --> 04:33:10.861
Thank you.
04:33:10.861 --> 04:33:11.694
Thank you.
04:33:11.694 --> 04:33:12.527
Thank you for your comment.
04:33:12.527 --> 04:33:14.944
Operator, next caller please.
04:33:16.652 --> 04:33:18.981
And Our next caller is Jillian Hall.
04:33:18.981 --> 04:33:20.398
You may go ahead.
04:33:22.413 --> 04:33:23.354
Hi.
04:33:23.354 --> 04:33:24.990
Can everyone hear me?
04:33:24.990 --> 04:33:26.583
Yes, we can.
04:33:26.583 --> 04:33:28.135
Hi, my name is Jill Hall.
04:33:28.135 --> 04:33:29.364
I live in Ventura county.
04:33:29.364 --> 04:33:32.430
I'm calling on behalf of shutting down the SoCalGas
04:33:32.430 --> 04:33:34.591
into a compressor station.
04:33:34.591 --> 04:33:36.468
SoCalGas is holding to me as the meetings
04:33:36.468 --> 04:33:38.791
later this month at a luxury hotel,
04:33:38.791 --> 04:33:41.061
far away from and inaccessible to many members
04:33:41.061 --> 04:33:43.640
on the west side who do not have vehicles.
04:33:43.640 --> 04:33:47.617
This is just another performative action on part,
04:33:47.617 --> 04:33:49.310
pretending to care about community input.
04:33:49.310 --> 04:33:51.718
We've been asking for an environmental impact report
04:33:51.718 --> 04:33:54.741
for a full year, and I've seen no response.
04:33:54.741 --> 04:33:56.662
You have the power to demand one,
04:33:56.662 --> 04:33:58.973
and we're asking that you demand a full environmental
04:33:58.973 --> 04:34:01.471
impact report, but of vent inter compressor station.
04:34:01.471 --> 04:34:03.719
I stand with everyone else who spoke
04:34:03.719 --> 04:34:05.273
on the solar tax issue today.
04:34:05.273 --> 04:34:08.985
I think we need to increase solar use in California
04:34:08.985 --> 04:34:12.041
and incentivize it rather than deincentivize it.
04:34:12.041 --> 04:34:14.323
Thank you so much for your time.
04:34:14.323 --> 04:34:15.238
Thank you.
04:34:15.238 --> 04:34:17.655
Operator, next caller please.
04:34:21.860 --> 04:34:25.527
One moment for our next caller.
04:34:30.272 --> 04:34:32.099
Our next caller is Patricia Langan.
04:34:32.099 --> 04:34:33.516
You may go ahead.
04:34:34.550 --> 04:34:35.405
Hello.
04:34:35.405 --> 04:34:37.350
I live in Carlsbad, California,
04:34:37.350 --> 04:34:41.511
and like 100% of the other callers for the past five hours,
04:34:41.511 --> 04:34:44.884
I oppose the proposed changes to net metering.
04:34:44.884 --> 04:34:48.683
Rooftop solar should become more affordable and incentivize
04:34:48.683 --> 04:34:52.014
not result in increased taxes of any kind.
04:34:52.014 --> 04:34:55.320
Rooftop solar homeowners like myself, who would become
04:34:55.320 --> 04:34:59.027
victims of a government bureaucracy BA and switch.
04:34:59.027 --> 04:35:02.373
California has clean energy and open space goals.
04:35:02.373 --> 04:35:05.573
Rooftop solar minimizes potential impacts to the environment
04:35:05.573 --> 04:35:08.798
that large solar fields can cause.
04:35:08.798 --> 04:35:10.992
Rooftop solar requires no additional land development,
04:35:10.992 --> 04:35:13.580
so it can help to conserve open space.
04:35:13.580 --> 04:35:16.094
We are going to need to harness as many avenues as we can
04:35:16.094 --> 04:35:19.686
to meet the 100% clean energy goals for California.
04:35:19.686 --> 04:35:22.179
So don't take away one of those pathways,
04:35:22.179 --> 04:35:24.255
just be big power companies.
04:35:24.255 --> 04:35:28.792
I urged this CPUC to keep California a green energy leader
04:35:28.792 --> 04:35:31.647
and work for the public good, not for big energy,
04:35:31.647 --> 04:35:34.520
corporate greed, reject NEM 3.0.
04:35:34.520 --> 04:35:35.353
Thank you.
04:35:36.300 --> 04:35:37.133
Thank you.
04:35:37.133 --> 04:35:39.550
Operator, next caller please.
04:35:42.309 --> 04:35:43.142
At this time,
04:35:43.142 --> 04:35:47.233
we have no more in the public comment section.
04:35:47.233 --> 04:35:48.407
If you would like to make a comment,
04:35:48.407 --> 04:35:49.751
please unmute your phone,
04:35:49.751 --> 04:35:52.691
press star one and record your first and last name
04:35:52.691 --> 04:35:55.467
fully and clearly, so I may introduce you.
04:35:55.467 --> 04:35:58.884
Again that is star one to make a comment.
04:36:22.026 --> 04:36:23.620
Our next caller is Gary Fulton.
04:36:23.620 --> 04:36:25.820
You may go ahead.
04:36:25.820 --> 04:36:26.653
Yes.
04:36:26.653 --> 04:36:30.070
I purchased my home solar system in 2014.
04:36:32.485 --> 04:36:37.134
It was with the understanding that if I owned the system,
04:36:37.134 --> 04:36:39.905
then everything would be locked in.
04:36:39.905 --> 04:36:42.562
I think it's unfair the public utilities
04:36:42.562 --> 04:36:45.145
to try to attack on extra fees.
04:36:47.285 --> 04:36:49.437
Everything everybody said today is good.
04:36:49.437 --> 04:36:54.380
It also enhances our own security because if there's
04:36:54.380 --> 04:36:57.476
multiple sources, a distributed source,
04:36:57.476 --> 04:37:01.643
then it's not as susceptible to an internet attack
04:37:04.527 --> 04:37:07.777
anyway, to change the rules now I'm 75,
04:37:09.566 --> 04:37:12.658
I'm on a fixed income, I bought these panels
04:37:12.658 --> 04:37:16.075
because I understand that with inflation,
04:37:17.057 --> 04:37:19.307
the pension that I received
04:37:20.506 --> 04:37:23.923
will actually become worth less and less.
04:37:25.056 --> 04:37:28.039
This was a method of mitigating that
04:37:28.039 --> 04:37:30.247
and you're taking it away from me.
04:37:30.247 --> 04:37:31.639
It's unfair.
04:37:31.639 --> 04:37:33.029
Unjust.
04:37:33.029 --> 04:37:34.580
Okay. That's my comment.
04:37:34.580 --> 04:37:37.351
Thank you very (bell rings) much for hearing.
04:37:37.351 --> 04:37:38.563
Thank you.
04:37:38.563 --> 04:37:40.980
Operator, next caller please.
04:37:42.253 --> 04:37:44.462
Our next caller is Augustus Brown.
04:37:44.462 --> 04:37:45.879
You may go ahead.
04:37:47.061 --> 04:37:47.894
Yes.
04:37:47.894 --> 04:37:48.990
My name is Augustus Brown.
04:37:48.990 --> 04:37:51.204
I live in San Diego.
04:37:51.204 --> 04:37:55.164
I did not represent or work for the solar industry.
04:37:55.164 --> 04:37:58.524
I just installed solar panels and plan
04:37:58.524 --> 04:38:01.676
on getting an electric vehicle.
04:38:01.676 --> 04:38:04.693
Increasing the financial liability on individuals
04:38:04.693 --> 04:38:08.660
who produce solar energy is the wrong thing to do.
04:38:08.660 --> 04:38:10.948
The state needs to encourage more solar
04:38:10.948 --> 04:38:13.948
energy production not discourage it.
04:38:15.140 --> 04:38:18.890
I oppose an NEM 3.0 or any kind of solar tax.
04:38:21.044 --> 04:38:22.108
Please reject it.
04:38:22.108 --> 04:38:22.941
Thank you.
04:38:24.009 --> 04:38:26.842
Do Operator, next caller please.
04:38:29.123 --> 04:38:31.143
Our next caller is Shirley Lewandowski.
04:38:31.143 --> 04:38:32.560
You may go ahead.
04:38:34.338 --> 04:38:35.171
[Shirley Lewandowski] Yes.
04:38:35.171 --> 04:38:37.846
I'm Shirley Lewandowski from Dublin, California.
04:38:37.846 --> 04:38:40.504
Solar farms are being herded as being vastly cheaper
04:38:40.504 --> 04:38:42.785
than rooftop solar, whereas in reality,
04:38:42.785 --> 04:38:47.064
the selective map of CPUC calculations are after tax
04:38:47.064 --> 04:38:49.726
credits to the wealth as tax equity investors.
04:38:49.726 --> 04:38:54.010
Current any NEM one, two, our main street solar
04:38:54.010 --> 04:38:58.043
versus NEM three three, which is wall start solar.
04:38:58.043 --> 04:39:00.626
We want solar and built environment first
04:39:00.626 --> 04:39:03.793
without the added burden of NEM three.
04:39:05.608 --> 04:39:08.918
We want solar, those jobs, those tax rates
04:39:08.918 --> 04:39:11.813
to stay in the local communities building local jobs,
04:39:11.813 --> 04:39:13.733
local economies are the major source
04:39:13.733 --> 04:39:16.025
of building equity within communities.
04:39:16.025 --> 04:39:18.477
Local economies are imperative for the climate change
04:39:18.477 --> 04:39:20.487
economy we want to build.
04:39:20.487 --> 04:39:24.073
Turn NEM one and two rooftop solar accomplishes
04:39:24.073 --> 04:39:26.096
this without destroying nature.
04:39:26.096 --> 04:39:28.516
Please reject NEM three.
04:39:28.516 --> 04:39:30.145
Thank you.
04:39:30.145 --> 04:39:30.978
Thank you.
04:39:30.978 --> 04:39:33.395
Operator, next caller please.
04:39:34.401 --> 04:39:36.274
Our next caller is John Ross.
04:39:36.274 --> 04:39:38.229
You may go ahead.
04:39:38.229 --> 04:39:41.937
Hi, I'm a new Homer of 2020
04:39:41.937 --> 04:39:44.795
about solar eight months after I got my house.
04:39:44.795 --> 04:39:46.635
I thought it was a good investment.
04:39:46.635 --> 04:39:48.962
I do not agree with this new bill.
04:39:48.962 --> 04:39:51.416
I think solar is the right way to go.
04:39:51.416 --> 04:39:54.072
Slight charging people for air,
04:39:54.072 --> 04:39:55.761
air free solar is free.
04:39:55.761 --> 04:39:57.024
The sun is free.
04:39:57.024 --> 04:39:59.858
It should be a joy for everyone. That's all I have to say.
04:39:59.858 --> 04:40:01.501
Thank you.
04:40:01.501 --> 04:40:02.334
Thank you.
04:40:02.334 --> 04:40:04.751
Operator, next caller please.
04:40:06.235 --> 04:40:08.106
Our next caller is Elena Waters.
04:40:08.106 --> 04:40:09.523
You may go ahead.
04:40:11.172 --> 04:40:12.409
Hi, good afternoon.
04:40:12.409 --> 04:40:14.288
Sorry, I know this is really long.
04:40:14.288 --> 04:40:17.683
I wanted to mention that I did receive an insert this time
04:40:17.683 --> 04:40:20.250
in my PG&E bill about this meeting that was going on,
04:40:20.250 --> 04:40:23.513
but paperless billing people are not gonna get that same
04:40:23.513 --> 04:40:25.980
notification so we're lacking notifications
04:40:25.980 --> 04:40:28.879
appropriately on this meeting.
04:40:28.879 --> 04:40:30.794
I wanted to bring up that electric cars, a typical
04:40:30.794 --> 04:40:34.794
electric car uses 3,680 kilowatt hours per year.
04:40:36.354 --> 04:40:39.273
And there are still no low income program
04:40:39.273 --> 04:40:43.086
for people to get solar put on their house.
04:40:43.086 --> 04:40:45.753
The kilowatt hours usage of cars
04:40:46.947 --> 04:40:49.488
when you go to an electric car,
04:40:49.488 --> 04:40:52.096
you can no longer use low income programs
04:40:52.096 --> 04:40:55.769
like care for some of the different,
04:40:55.769 --> 04:40:57.604
low income programs, medical baseline,
04:40:57.604 --> 04:41:01.007
none of those discounts come into effect.
04:41:01.007 --> 04:41:02.352
You actually lose those discounts.
04:41:02.352 --> 04:41:06.105
When we have to go to electric cars, solar could offset it,
04:41:06.105 --> 04:41:08.928
but they just have nothing on the table.
04:41:08.928 --> 04:41:10.482
as far as for low income programs,
04:41:10.482 --> 04:41:13.253
at least with PG&E and I've applied three times
04:41:13.253 --> 04:41:15.002
and I've been told three times at PG&E
04:41:15.002 --> 04:41:17.655
is not supported for low income programs,
04:41:17.655 --> 04:41:20.515
but (bell rings) with electric cars.
04:41:20.515 --> 04:41:21.348
Thank you
04:41:21.348 --> 04:41:22.181
Thank you.
04:41:22.181 --> 04:41:23.014
Have a good day.
04:41:23.014 --> 04:41:26.180
Thank you for your comment. Operator next caller please.
04:41:27.908 --> 04:41:31.646
Our next caller is Louis Clark.
04:41:31.646 --> 04:41:33.448
You may go ahead.
04:41:33.448 --> 04:41:34.281
Thank you.
04:41:34.281 --> 04:41:35.531
Good afternoon.
04:41:39.374 --> 04:41:41.721
Two years ago and early this year,
04:41:41.721 --> 04:41:45.304
I decided to we to put a solar solar system
04:41:46.256 --> 04:41:50.423
in our home to reduce our costs, electrical costs.
04:41:51.327 --> 04:41:54.877
California has more than 1.3 million system installed,
04:41:54.877 --> 04:41:58.294
and really we need to triple or quadruple
04:41:59.589 --> 04:42:04.161
the number of systems installed within the next 10 years.
04:42:04.161 --> 04:42:08.661
So we can become the number one solar energy generator
04:42:10.118 --> 04:42:13.735
in the world, in the state and in the world.
04:42:13.735 --> 04:42:18.059
This is not the time to install the solar transition.
04:42:18.059 --> 04:42:19.814
This is not the time to talk
04:42:19.814 --> 04:42:22.731
about adding a tax to solar energy.
04:42:25.375 --> 04:42:29.024
This is the time again, to give additional state
04:42:29.024 --> 04:42:32.376
and federal tax credit for the millions
04:42:32.376 --> 04:42:35.293
of Californians that want to solar.
04:42:36.370 --> 04:42:38.870
So please solar tax will hurt.
04:42:40.110 --> 04:42:43.860
Californian's transition to renewable energy.
04:42:45.246 --> 04:42:48.623
Honor, (bell rings) the 20 year rotation plan.
04:42:48.623 --> 04:42:50.518
Thank you.
Vote no.
04:42:50.518 --> 04:42:53.063
Thank you.
Thank you.
04:42:53.063 --> 04:42:55.517
Operator, next caller please.
04:42:55.517 --> 04:42:57.889
Our next caller is Roger Espanola.
04:42:57.889 --> 04:42:59.936
You may go ahead.
04:42:59.936 --> 04:43:00.769
Yes.
04:43:00.769 --> 04:43:03.202
My name is Roger Espanola.
04:43:03.202 --> 04:43:05.369
I live in ESCO on California.
04:43:05.369 --> 04:43:08.520
I've had my system for almost 17 years now.
04:43:08.520 --> 04:43:09.911
And over that period of time,
04:43:09.911 --> 04:43:12.651
I've had to replace all four of my inverters.
04:43:12.651 --> 04:43:15.347
Of course they that's at my own cost.
04:43:15.347 --> 04:43:19.200
So that has increased my cost over the years.
04:43:19.200 --> 04:43:21.779
And as far as the advertisements on TV,
04:43:21.779 --> 04:43:26.196
about us creating issues with the lower income people
04:43:30.617 --> 04:43:34.284
and not contributing, I just had my summary.
04:43:41.167 --> 04:43:44.820
And over this last year, I have generated
04:43:44.820 --> 04:43:48.070
over 1800 kilowatt hours to the system.
04:43:50.454 --> 04:43:54.787
PG&E would normally charge $499 a 40 cents for that.
04:43:57.040 --> 04:44:02.040
The reimbursement that I got for that was $81 and 36 cents.
04:44:02.684 --> 04:44:07.267
So that amount difference, the 499.40 versus the 81.36,
04:44:09.337 --> 04:44:14.087
that PG&E has paid has paid me for the energy I produced,
04:44:17.022 --> 04:44:19.862
that's not us generating these excess costs.
04:44:19.862 --> 04:44:24.529
That's PG&E so I really am (indistinct)
04:44:26.156 --> 04:44:28.400
(bell rings)
04:44:28.400 --> 04:44:29.670
Please vote no.
04:44:29.670 --> 04:44:30.503
Thank you.
04:44:30.503 --> 04:44:31.336
Thank you.
04:44:31.336 --> 04:44:33.753
Operator, next caller please.
04:44:34.729 --> 04:44:36.389
And president Reynolds there are no more participants
04:44:36.389 --> 04:44:38.998
on the public comment, telephone line.
04:44:38.998 --> 04:44:39.851
Okay, thank you.
04:44:39.851 --> 04:44:42.897
Let me ask one more time if there's anyone on the line,
04:44:42.897 --> 04:44:44.901
we don't have you in the queue.
04:44:44.901 --> 04:44:47.437
You need to press a star one to get in the queue.
04:44:47.437 --> 04:44:50.770
Operator could you check one final time?
04:44:51.851 --> 04:44:54.268
Yes, one moment.
04:45:17.461 --> 04:45:19.951
And our next caller is Valerie Gonski.
04:45:19.951 --> 04:45:21.368
You may go ahead.
04:45:22.775 --> 04:45:24.525
Hi.
04:45:26.807 --> 04:45:28.242
My name is Valerie Gonski.
04:45:28.242 --> 04:45:30.616
I'm from Arcade California.
04:45:30.616 --> 04:45:34.902
I've had my ear glued to the phone the past five hours.
04:45:34.902 --> 04:45:37.521
Not because I have nothing else to do,
04:45:37.521 --> 04:45:40.319
but because I, along with all of the callers
04:45:40.319 --> 04:45:43.749
and there I say, majority is Californians to deeply
04:45:43.749 --> 04:45:46.631
the enormity of the consequences of these decisions
04:45:46.631 --> 04:45:50.213
you're making, that affect how we combat climate change
04:45:50.213 --> 04:45:54.815
and the urge need for an affordable, clean energy future.
04:45:54.815 --> 04:45:57.601
Thank you all conditioners these hours
04:45:57.601 --> 04:46:00.926
with us listening to our concerns.
04:46:00.926 --> 04:46:04.273
We've heard the passioned well reasoned castigating,
04:46:04.273 --> 04:46:07.741
as well as plaintiffs, please of retired seniors,
04:46:07.741 --> 04:46:11.693
solar installers, fire refugees, people of color,
04:46:11.693 --> 04:46:15.163
professor's doctors, homeowners, you name it.
04:46:15.163 --> 04:46:17.546
You don't need to meet hear my own reason
04:46:17.546 --> 04:46:19.993
to carefully compose comments,
04:46:19.993 --> 04:46:23.799
just register my name, added to the chorus
04:46:23.799 --> 04:46:26.141
on your NEM three proposal.
04:46:26.141 --> 04:46:26.974
Thank you.
04:46:28.064 --> 04:46:29.117
Thank you.
04:46:29.117 --> 04:46:31.534
Operator, next caller please.
04:46:32.850 --> 04:46:35.285
And caller is Howard Fallon.
04:46:35.285 --> 04:46:36.702
You may go ahead.
04:46:38.352 --> 04:46:39.333
Hi.
04:46:39.333 --> 04:46:40.646
Can you hear me?
04:46:40.646 --> 04:46:42.293
Yes, we can.
04:46:42.293 --> 04:46:43.126
Okay, great.
04:46:43.126 --> 04:46:43.959
Thanks.
04:46:43.959 --> 04:46:45.542
I'm Howard Fallon.
04:46:45.542 --> 04:46:47.592
I am a retiree living at a home I own
04:46:47.592 --> 04:46:50.663
with San Francisco with rooftop solar.
04:46:50.663 --> 04:46:53.413
I oppose the a NEM three proposal
04:46:57.062 --> 04:46:59.758
that's in front of the CPUC.
04:46:59.758 --> 04:47:03.317
And I think it's appalled that we're even having to do this.
04:47:03.317 --> 04:47:04.716
I've been on the line for five hours
04:47:04.716 --> 04:47:08.383
because it's a naked power grab by monopoly.
04:47:10.876 --> 04:47:13.324
PG&E needs a monopoly and basically
04:47:13.324 --> 04:47:14.510
they've killed a lot of people.
04:47:14.510 --> 04:47:17.132
It's a criminal enterprise, but yet they put this stuff
04:47:17.132 --> 04:47:20.414
up and people in just everybody's bought off
04:47:20.414 --> 04:47:22.662
and they're all happy to go forward with it.
04:47:22.662 --> 04:47:26.788
I'm embarrassed for the CPUC Commissioners
04:47:26.788 --> 04:47:28.749
that you'd even put this in front of the public,
04:47:28.749 --> 04:47:31.320
but the state of the world we live in today.
04:47:31.320 --> 04:47:33.443
Thank you for your time.
04:47:33.443 --> 04:47:34.387
Thank you.
04:47:34.387 --> 04:47:36.804
Operator next caller, please.
04:47:37.769 --> 04:47:39.688
Our next caller is Sage Monteiro.
04:47:39.688 --> 04:47:41.105
You may go ahead.
04:47:42.569 --> 04:47:43.402
Hello.
04:47:43.402 --> 04:47:44.904
Like she said, my name is Sage Monteiro.
04:47:44.904 --> 04:47:48.535
I just wanted to say, I hope that you guys are listening,
04:47:48.535 --> 04:47:51.702
listening to our call, please vote no,
04:47:53.030 --> 04:47:56.489
and do to not put the profits of a private
04:47:56.489 --> 04:47:59.802
utility company ahead of the people.
04:47:59.802 --> 04:48:00.635
Thank you.
04:48:01.514 --> 04:48:02.374
Thank you.
04:48:02.374 --> 04:48:04.791
Operator, next caller please.
04:48:05.878 --> 04:48:07.675
Our next caller is Scott Lonsford.
04:48:07.675 --> 04:48:09.092
You may go ahead.
04:48:10.088 --> 04:48:11.965
Hi, my name is Scott Lonsford.
04:48:11.965 --> 04:48:14.374
I live in Solana beach, California.
04:48:14.374 --> 04:48:17.645
I work for dividend finance and I speak with hundreds
04:48:17.645 --> 04:48:20.993
of people in the solar industry
04:48:20.993 --> 04:48:23.610
every week as part of my accounts.
04:48:23.610 --> 04:48:25.657
And they're all very concerned that this
04:48:25.657 --> 04:48:29.455
could negatively impact their job in their livelihood.
04:48:29.455 --> 04:48:31.455
Vote no against NEM 3.0.
04:48:34.901 --> 04:48:35.888
Thank you.
04:48:35.888 --> 04:48:38.305
Operator, next caller please.
04:48:39.974 --> 04:48:40.870
And president Reynolds,
04:48:40.870 --> 04:48:41.934
there are no more participants
04:48:41.934 --> 04:48:44.805
on the public comment, telephone line.
04:48:44.805 --> 04:48:46.849
Thank you very much operator.
04:48:46.849 --> 04:48:48.767
With no more callers on the line.
04:48:48.767 --> 04:48:52.641
The public comment period is now closed.
04:48:52.641 --> 04:48:55.583
We'll move next to the rest of the agenda.
04:48:55.583 --> 04:48:58.894
I have a few agenda changes to announce.
04:48:58.894 --> 04:49:02.000
The following or the changes to today's agenda.
04:49:02.000 --> 04:49:03.333
Item 14, 15, 40,
04:49:07.303 --> 04:49:10.886
40A, 41 and 43 are held until seventh 2022.
04:49:14.746 --> 04:49:16.329
Items 42, 45 and 48
04:49:19.239 --> 04:49:22.993
will be taken up with the Consent Agenda.
04:49:22.993 --> 04:49:26.751
We'll next move to the Consent Agenda
04:49:26.751 --> 04:49:30.141
and take up the items on that agenda.
04:49:30.141 --> 04:49:34.666
Do I have a motion for the items on the agenda?
04:49:34.666 --> 04:49:35.499
So move.
04:49:36.991 --> 04:49:39.312
Do we have a second?
04:49:39.312 --> 04:49:41.151
I'll second.
04:49:41.151 --> 04:49:43.246
Motion by Commissioner Rechtschaffen
04:49:43.246 --> 04:49:46.387
second by Commissioner Shiroma.
04:49:46.387 --> 04:49:50.058
Agenda Clerk could you please call the role.
04:49:50.058 --> 04:49:52.180
Commissioner John Reynolds?
04:49:52.180 --> 04:49:53.812
Aye.
04:49:53.812 --> 04:49:55.365
Commissioner Houck.
04:49:55.365 --> 04:49:56.198
Yes.
04:49:57.566 --> 04:49:59.371
Commissioner Shiroma.
04:49:59.371 --> 04:50:00.204
Hi.
04:50:01.163 --> 04:50:03.044
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
04:50:03.044 --> 04:50:03.877
Yes.
04:50:04.762 --> 04:50:07.013
President Alice Reynolds.
04:50:07.013 --> 04:50:07.846
Yes.
04:50:09.095 --> 04:50:11.178
The consent item pass 50.
04:50:14.645 --> 04:50:17.478
I will now turn to item number 46.
04:50:19.419 --> 04:50:22.571
We are going to take things a little bit out of order
04:50:22.571 --> 04:50:26.608
and I will be taking item number 46 next,
04:50:26.608 --> 04:50:28.794
management report on consumer
04:50:28.794 --> 04:50:31.161
protection and safety activities.
04:50:31.161 --> 04:50:35.595
We will have a presentation on consumer customer,
04:50:35.595 --> 04:50:38.931
centric approaches to our consumer protection programs.
04:50:38.931 --> 04:50:41.592
Now I will turn it over to executive director,
04:50:41.592 --> 04:50:46.342
Rachel Peterson to present today's speaker, Ms. Peterson.
04:50:52.038 --> 04:50:54.535
Thank you, president Reynolds and Commissioners.
04:50:54.535 --> 04:50:56.044
Good afternoon.
04:50:56.044 --> 04:50:57.436
My name is Rachel Peterson.
04:50:57.436 --> 04:50:59.556
I'm the executive director of the California
04:50:59.556 --> 04:51:01.639
Public Utilities Commission.
04:51:01.639 --> 04:51:04.791
And thank you for the opportunity to present
04:51:04.791 --> 04:51:09.530
the third in a series of three staff briefings on consumer
04:51:09.530 --> 04:51:14.437
protection and safety activities here at the CPUC.
04:51:14.437 --> 04:51:18.364
In October, 2021, we briefed you on the protections
04:51:18.364 --> 04:51:21.467
that the Commission established during the COVID 19
04:51:21.467 --> 04:51:24.415
pandemic for customers who fell behind
04:51:24.415 --> 04:51:27.270
on their electric and gas bill.
04:51:27.270 --> 04:51:30.585
Also last fall, you heard from our consumer affairs
04:51:30.585 --> 04:51:34.384
branch and our utilities enforcement branch,
04:51:34.384 --> 04:51:37.442
who presented how we receive and track complaints
04:51:37.442 --> 04:51:40.509
by the public about utility services
04:51:40.509 --> 04:51:45.208
and how we enforce our rules when there's a violation.
04:51:45.208 --> 04:51:47.377
Today, we're turning towards a future
04:51:47.377 --> 04:51:51.504
with two of our innovative and forward looking programs.
04:51:51.504 --> 04:51:53.725
Before I introduce them, I want to provide you
04:51:53.725 --> 04:51:56.735
with a short update on our role in securing
04:51:56.735 --> 04:52:00.175
emergency COVID relief for utility customers
04:52:00.175 --> 04:52:03.008
in the first quarter of this year.
04:52:04.106 --> 04:52:07.154
Because we established several moratoriums
04:52:07.154 --> 04:52:09.663
during the pandemic, which meant that people
04:52:09.663 --> 04:52:14.246
who could not pay their utility bill were disconnected.
04:52:15.332 --> 04:52:19.057
This meant no household was getting their electricity or gas
04:52:19.057 --> 04:52:23.154
shut off for failure to pay bills during the COVID crisis.
04:52:23.154 --> 04:52:26.021
Other major step was to ensure the delivery
04:52:26.021 --> 04:52:29.438
and distribution of federal relief funds.
04:52:30.752 --> 04:52:33.830
Relief that has now arrived and is making a difference
04:52:33.830 --> 04:52:36.572
in the lives of Californians.
04:52:36.572 --> 04:52:38.487
Or electric and gas customers
04:52:38.487 --> 04:52:41.414
the California Arrearage Payment Program
04:52:41.414 --> 04:52:44.390
is administered by our colleagues at the California
04:52:44.390 --> 04:52:48.157
department of community services and development.
04:52:48.157 --> 04:52:52.768
CSD is our partner and it has awarded all 695 million
04:52:52.768 --> 04:52:56.223
in relief funds statewide for customers
04:52:56.223 --> 04:53:00.502
of eight investor owned electric and gas utilities.
04:53:00.502 --> 04:53:03.982
The allocations for each utilities customers
04:53:03.982 --> 04:53:07.639
were based on the share of outstanding debt
04:53:07.639 --> 04:53:10.884
that customers of those companies had.
04:53:10.884 --> 04:53:14.265
Our staff collaborated intensively with CSD to get
04:53:14.265 --> 04:53:18.456
this relief flowing and I'm very proud of effort.
04:53:18.456 --> 04:53:20.757
And now a few months on, there is one message
04:53:20.757 --> 04:53:22.993
I would especially like to send to customers,
04:53:22.993 --> 04:53:26.429
particularly small business and residential customers,
04:53:26.429 --> 04:53:28.829
which is that we are requiring utilities
04:53:28.829 --> 04:53:32.130
to work with customers on payment plans.
04:53:32.130 --> 04:53:34.710
Please contact your utility if you need to get
04:53:34.710 --> 04:53:38.543
on a payment plan to pay some past arrearages.
04:53:39.793 --> 04:53:42.719
So with the leadership of you as Commissioners,
04:53:42.719 --> 04:53:45.943
especially former Commissioner and now region nine EPA
04:53:45.943 --> 04:53:49.097
administrator Guzman Aceves you have helped nearly
04:53:49.097 --> 04:53:51.126
three quarters of a billion dollars
04:53:51.126 --> 04:53:54.682
flow to Californians to assist with their energy bills
04:53:54.682 --> 04:53:58.762
that accrued between March, 2020 and June, 2021.
04:53:58.762 --> 04:54:00.600
Thank you as well to Commissioner Houck
04:54:00.600 --> 04:54:03.780
and Commissioner Chiroma are continuing to lead
04:54:03.780 --> 04:54:06.224
in this area of ensuring affordability
04:54:06.224 --> 04:54:10.391
and delivering real timely relief to Californians.
04:54:11.474 --> 04:54:13.956
I wanna turn for a moment to water customers
04:54:13.956 --> 04:54:16.445
for everyone who had arrearages.
04:54:16.445 --> 04:54:18.935
We also facilitated the California water
04:54:18.935 --> 04:54:21.998
and wastewater arrearage payment program.
04:54:21.998 --> 04:54:24.610
The water board has now reported that it has provided
04:54:24.610 --> 04:54:28.520
301 million to water systems statewide
04:54:28.520 --> 04:54:31.047
for drinking water arrearages,
04:54:31.047 --> 04:54:34.804
which is 100% of eligible drinking water debt
04:54:34.804 --> 04:54:38.080
that was requested by participating systems.
04:54:38.080 --> 04:54:41.307
All of the class, a water systems that we regulate
04:54:41.307 --> 04:54:44.578
have received payments through this program.
04:54:44.578 --> 04:54:47.358
And now the remaining funds that need to be allocated
04:54:47.358 --> 04:54:50.968
for relief are wastewater arrearages.
04:54:50.968 --> 04:54:53.422
The water board anticipates that this allocation
04:54:53.422 --> 04:54:57.919
will also meet 100% of eligible requests.
04:54:57.919 --> 04:55:01.106
And so, again, for any member of the public listening,
04:55:01.106 --> 04:55:04.512
the application for wastewater relief funds opened
04:55:04.512 --> 04:55:08.762
on February 1st and we'll close on April 1st, 2022.
04:55:11.132 --> 04:55:11.965
Okay.
04:55:11.965 --> 04:55:16.965
Now turning from our actions during the pandemic to today.
04:55:17.223 --> 04:55:19.100
You're going to hear today from two
04:55:19.100 --> 04:55:21.238
of our teams on the innovative ways
04:55:21.238 --> 04:55:24.062
that we are changing our customer program,
04:55:24.062 --> 04:55:28.530
specifically in the areas of energy and transportation.
04:55:28.530 --> 04:55:31.106
The innovations are consistent with our mission
04:55:31.106 --> 04:55:33.605
of delivering safe, clean, reliable,
04:55:33.605 --> 04:55:36.478
and affordable utility service.
04:55:36.478 --> 04:55:39.476
And you're gonna hear the special emphasis
04:55:39.476 --> 04:55:42.795
by these staff, people on improving the affordability,
04:55:42.795 --> 04:55:45.910
accessibility and sustainability of energy
04:55:45.910 --> 04:55:48.531
and transportation services.
04:55:48.531 --> 04:55:51.816
Our part one will be presented by Kapil Kulkarni
04:55:51.816 --> 04:55:55.397
of energy division to discuss customer focus
04:55:55.397 --> 04:55:59.200
improvements to the energy savings assistance program.
04:55:59.200 --> 04:56:01.768
And then you'll hear from Tara Curtis
04:56:01.768 --> 04:56:04.945
of our consumer protection and enforcement division
04:56:04.945 --> 04:56:07.648
about implementation of California's
04:56:07.648 --> 04:56:09.898
TNC access for all program.
04:56:10.775 --> 04:56:14.304
This was authorized by the legislature in 2018
04:56:14.304 --> 04:56:16.961
to address long standing gaps in affordability
04:56:16.961 --> 04:56:19.315
and accessibility of on demand,
04:56:19.315 --> 04:56:22.398
wheelchair accessible transportation.
04:56:23.363 --> 04:56:24.732
Thank you again Commissioners
04:56:24.732 --> 04:56:26.958
for the opportunity to present
04:56:26.958 --> 04:56:31.375
and I'll turn it over to Kapil Kulkarni for part one.
04:56:34.539 --> 04:56:37.119
Thank you, Executive director Peterson
04:56:37.119 --> 04:56:38.678
and president Reynolds and Commissioners
04:56:38.678 --> 04:56:42.085
for the opportunity to present.
04:56:42.085 --> 04:56:42.987
Good afternoon everyone.
04:56:42.987 --> 04:56:45.020
My name is Kapil Kulkarni senior analyst
04:56:45.020 --> 04:56:46.361
at the Energy Division
04:56:46.361 --> 04:56:48.696
at the California Public Utilities Commission.
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My presentation is on how the energy savings assistance
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program or ESA is adapting to be more customer-centric.
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Next slide, please.
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First, let's start with what we see as the problem
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that we're trying to solve,
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which is at lower income households
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face higher energy burdens.
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Energy burden can be loosely defined as having trouble
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paying your electric and gas bills to keep the lights on
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and keep comfortable throughout the year
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when it's cold and winter and hot and summer.
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The more technical definition is displayed here,
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which is simply your energy expenses divided by your income.
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And even with other public benefit programs
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like temporary aid MedCal or Cal fresh
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helping your household, your energy burden
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can still remain high with lower income household
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spending more than 5% of their income
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on energy bills compared to one and a half percent
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or less for higher income households.
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You can also see the types of customers
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that are more affected by energy burden
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and the impacts on them if they can't pay
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their bills or be comfortable.
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This may include having to make tough choices
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such as foregoing health visits or medications
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or other options that may exacerbate existing
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or create new health issues.
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Next slide please.
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So how can the CPUC help?
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The CPUC tries to alleviate these burdens
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through the oversight of three programs
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that can help reduce burdens on low income housings.
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Through of the programs CARE,
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California Alternate Rates for Energy
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and FERA, Family Electric Rate Assistance program
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provide a direct bill discount eligible houses.
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CARE provides an electric and gas bill discount
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for households who are at 200% or below
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of the federal poverty guidelines
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or about $50,000 in annual income
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for a household of FERA.
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For families that make a little bit more than 50,000,
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let's say $60,000 in annual income for a household of FERA.
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They would not qualify for CARE,
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but they would qualify for the electric rate discount.
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The third program is the ESA program,
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which provides no cost direct installation
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of energy efficiency and other beneficial measures
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and services like LED light bulbs
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and smart thermostats to qualify houses.
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The investor owned utilities deliver the program
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through the use of outside contractors.
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Until now ESA was only available
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for CARE eligible household.
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However, starting July 1st, thanks to a new state law,
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SB7056, that just went into effect.
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Nearly all households at 250% or below of the federal
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poverty guidelines or add or about $65,000
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in annual income for a household of FERA
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will generally would be able to both a build discount
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and free energy efficiency services
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to help reduce their burden.
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Next slide, please.
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More than 10 years ago, the CPUC set a goal
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for the investor utilities to provide all eligible
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and long households with treatment through the ESA program.
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This goal was largely met by the end of 2020,
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and so it is time to set new goals and redesign
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the program to meet these goals.
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Through proceeding that incorporated the input
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of the investor, utilities, contractors,
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and other stakeholders, the CPUC adopted new energy savings
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goals that will encourage more savings per home,
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and a program design that is more customer-centric
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and allows for differentiated to, and by home.
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Next slide.
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This slide goes into detail on how the program design
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is evolving to meet customer needs,
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previously to meet the 2020 goal,
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customer treatments were similar by home
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so that the IUs could scale delivery to meet the goal.
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But which also meant there was little differentiation
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by customer it as any consumer facing company knows
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two houses on the same block have entirely different needs.
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As part of the new program design,
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we are allowing the investor on utilities
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to differentiate treatment to different
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customer types within their unique service territories,
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and also requiring the IOU investor own utilities
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to report on eligibility and activity by customer segment
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and delivery is measures based on customer type.
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Here's a mapping of all the different customer
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types that we have identified initially.
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You can see categories for demographic
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including the housing type that the household
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is in whether they rent or own their property
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as well as other categorizations such as seniors or vet.
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There's also categories for financial
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location and health condition.
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One of the goals of this could be for example,
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to ensure that previously disconnected customers
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identified in the financial category
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or financial column or customers at risk
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of disconnection receive ESA measures or services
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such as bill or energy education
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that may prevent future disconnections.
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High usage customers also shown in the financial column
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may receive measures and services related
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to the highest energy using appliances in the home,
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which is off the air conditioner
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and also related measures such as insulation
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to make their homes less leaky and more efficient.
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Another example is customers based
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on their location for example,
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in public safety, power shutoff, or wildfire zones
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are there certain measures that can help
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these customers when reliability at risk,
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such as portable batteries or generators
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or clean generators that they can be referred to
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through other programs outside of visa
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that may be more appropriate.
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We hope this turns into a feedback loop
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where we can see how large the population
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of a customer segment is and see if this segment
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is receiving upgrades and what type of upgrades
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work well for them.
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Next slide, please.
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This slide highlights some of the other new
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components of the program design
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including deeper energy savings and electrification.
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Deeper energy savings relates to the shift
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of moving away from the quantity of homes treated to quality
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and trying to achieve up to 50% savings per home
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compared to the historical average of up to 5% savings,
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energy savings per home.
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We are excited about the possibility for certain homes
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to be able to reduce their energies use by half.
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This can have a huge impact on their bills
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potentially saving the home hundreds of dollars per year.
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The IOUs will be spending a $100 million
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over the next five years,
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just on this deeper energy savings pilot
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to install more measures and spend more per home
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perhaps $10,000 per home,
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compared to the current average
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of about 1000 to $2,000 per home,
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then measure the energy savings and see if it makes sense
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to expand these efforts.
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The next innovation is through the electrification pilots,
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Southern California Edison is having two programs.
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And for the first time we are incorporating
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electrification into the ESA program
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to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions,
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such as replacing a gas furnace with electric pump.
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We have to measure the impacts on low income customers
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including targeting and outreach efforts,
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awareness of electrification and bill savings.
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And these two programs including one for retrofit,
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for existing homes and a new construction pilot program.
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The other opportunity is something that PG&E is doing
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called the Virtual Energy Coach Pilot,
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which involves segmentation
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and personalization of customers.
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Similar to the ideas that went through
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that went into the program design.
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While I previously spoke about how we plan
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to get more detail on the types of customers
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that participate and what services they receive.
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We see the PG&E pilot as a more formal effort
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to gather this data and provide
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this information back to household.
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This pilot compliments the overall effort
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to provide households with more information
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on how they can benefit from ESA
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and have the IOUs and contractors deliver
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the measures and services that best meet their needs.
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Whether it's a few simple measures
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or deeper energy savings or electrification measures.
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While these are efforts are just starting out,
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they are a natural and necessary
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evolution of the ESA program
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to ensure that income qualified households
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in California can reduce their energy burden
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and save on their energy bills.
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I look forward to updating you on our progress
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as well as any questions.
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And that concludes my presentation.
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Thank you.
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Thanks Kulkarni.
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And if we go to the next slide,
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then we can move to Tara's presentation.
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Thank you.
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Good afternoon, president Reynolds and Commissioners.
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My name is Tara Curtis and I supervise
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the transportation and analysis section
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within the consumer protection and enforcement division.
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It's truly a pleasure to present to you
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and members of the public today
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on another of the Commission's
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customer oriented programs,
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the TNC Access for all program established
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by Senate bill 1376 in 2018.
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My team has lead responsibility
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for program implementation.
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Next slide.
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So in SB 1376, the legislature recognized
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that people with disabilities face more social isolation,
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less access to jobs, higher rates of depression
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and other negative quality of life outcomes
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relative to their peers.
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These are outcomes that have been exacerbated
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by the pandemic and the legislature
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stated that more can be done to address
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these inequities and called on the CPUC
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to implement the TNC Access for all programs
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to increase access to on demand transportation
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for people with disabilities,
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particularly those who use non foldable wheelchairs.
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Next slide.
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But what got us here in the first place,
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existing public programs have resulted
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in a patchwork of accessible transportation options,
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leaving both geographic and temporal gaps.
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Congress passed the Americans with disabilities act in 1990,
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which required public transportation agencies
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across the country to develop wheelchair
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accessible transportation
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known as complimentary paratransit.
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And while those services provide lifelines
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for tens of millions of Americans every year
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funding challenges mean that transit agencies
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typically only respond to trip requests
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made a day or more in advance.
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To address this, some agencies have found funding
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to start supplementary same day trip programs,
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that typically control costs through service cap.
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In SB 1376, the legislature attempts
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to address this patchwork by offering incentives,
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to stimulate growth in on demand wheelchair
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accessible transportation across the state.
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Next slide.
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And people really need this.
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Some of the things we've heard in workshops
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or program feedback includes that transportation
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is a daily barrier that disabled customers
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can't just ask a friend or use ride hail
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when a sudden need or desire to get somewhere comes up.
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And it's a daily momentary uncertainty sharing
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that "We don't know when or if we can get a ride"
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Next slide.
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And this is why my team is proud
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to be working with assigned Commissioner
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Shiroma and the rest of the Commission
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to be implementing the TNC access for all programs.
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This program raises a 10 cents for every TNC trip
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taken in California and deposits the money
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into the access fund.
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This funding incentivizes the TNCs to invest
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in on-demand wheelchair, transportation,
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and counties across the state.
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And it also funds county level government agencies,
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contracts with access providers in places
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where TNCs leave money on the table.
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And thanks to a compensation program element
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created by the legislature.
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This proceeding has been supported
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by robust participation from disability rights advocates.
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Next slide.
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Implementation of this program started in 2019.
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So, I wanted to briefly share
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a few stats on where we are now.
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Last year we observed TNC
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on demand wheelchair accessible
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transportation options in 18 counties across the state,
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we are aware of almost 40 million of investment
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in these services in California,
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almost 15 million of which was through funding
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generated by this program.
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So far, we've seen over 75,000 trips completed
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and county level agencies and aid counties
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have also started efforts in implementing
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local programs through funding
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provided through the TNC access for all programs.
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Next slide.
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What I'm really most excited to share with you today
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are some direct quotes from customers of the service,
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and special thanks to lift in the city of San Francisco
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for helping us here direct from dozens of customers
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in advance of this presentation,
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as well as to members of the public
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who've attended our workshops
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and shared feedback with us directly.
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Overall, what we're hearing is a story
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of early success with calls to continue to do more.
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We hear that these types of programs are indispensable.
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Not only for individuals with disabilities,
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but also for their whole families.
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And we also hear that they're not well known
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asking where have they been hiding them
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and that the investments so far are serving
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to increase quality of life among people
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with disabilities and their families.
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Next slide.
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It was such a powerful experience
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to read through all the customer feedback
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we've received thus far,
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I'm sharing just a snippet with you
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but here are a couple more.
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A mother tells us in not having a car
05:11:08.230 --> 05:11:11.585
and having a wheelchair bound immune compromised daughter,
05:11:11.585 --> 05:11:16.252
and that TNCs provided a lifeline as a low exposure risk
05:11:17.106 --> 05:11:19.505
travel option during the pandemic.
05:11:19.505 --> 05:11:21.079
Another person wrote to celebrate
05:11:21.079 --> 05:11:22.762
their newfound travel freedom
05:11:22.762 --> 05:11:24.880
when traveling in San Francisco,
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but lamented the persistent patchwork accessibility,
05:11:27.924 --> 05:11:30.247
observing that the same access is not currently
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available in some parts of the Eastbay.
05:11:33.117 --> 05:11:35.798
And lastly, a traveler reminds us
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of the inequities that people with disabilities
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must confront in their daily lives
05:11:40.069 --> 05:11:42.688
stating that seeing non-accessible TNCs available
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at the airport reminds them of the disparate access
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SB 1376 seeks to address.
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The next slide.
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Looking ahead,
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we know that we have to focus on learning
05:11:55.423 --> 05:11:57.382
and adjusting to become a national leader
05:11:57.382 --> 05:11:59.678
in the deployment and adoption of on demand
05:11:59.678 --> 05:12:02.593
transportation options for people with disabilities
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as envisioned by SB 1376.
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By 2026, we're aiming for big changes to the status quo.
05:12:09.884 --> 05:12:12.475
And in addition to ongoing program implementation,
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we're continuing to work with you in the open proceedings.
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Next and final slide.
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In SBE 1376, the Legislatures saw the link
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between transportation, accessibility,
05:12:25.902 --> 05:12:28.978
economic competitiveness, and quality of life.
05:12:28.978 --> 05:12:30.286
We're proud to be working with you
05:12:30.286 --> 05:12:31.989
and are thankful for parties participation
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in the proceeding to increase the independence, freedom,
05:12:35.117 --> 05:12:38.351
and dignity in the lives of people with disabilities.
05:12:38.351 --> 05:12:39.929
Thank you again for this opportunity
05:12:39.929 --> 05:12:41.846
to speak with me today.
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Thank you again president Reynolds,
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and back to you.
05:12:50.610 --> 05:12:52.019
Thank you, director Peterson,
05:12:52.019 --> 05:12:54.769
and much thanks to Kapil and Tara
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for both of your presentations.
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It's obvious that there's a lot of work
05:13:00.727 --> 05:13:03.991
on behalf of staff that went into,
05:13:03.991 --> 05:13:05.754
that's behind the presentation
05:13:05.754 --> 05:13:08.450
and that you're providing benefits to many customers.
05:13:08.450 --> 05:13:11.843
I did appreciate the summary of the comments
05:13:11.843 --> 05:13:14.343
from customers that you provided.
05:13:14.343 --> 05:13:17.634
Tara really appreciate your time today.
05:13:17.634 --> 05:13:20.314
And we look forward to continuing to hear from you
05:13:20.314 --> 05:13:22.358
as your work progresses.
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Thank you very much.
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We'll now turn to agenda item number 44.
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The item number is P.21-10-003
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order instituting rule making to consider amendment
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to General Order 133-D.
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Commissioner Houck, would you like to present?
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Thank you president Reynolds,
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on October 7th, 2021,
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the public advocates office
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of the California Public Utilities Commission,
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or Cal advocates filed a petition requesting
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that we open a rule making to amend
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and update general order 133-D.
05:14:07.530 --> 05:14:10.741
The petition stated that communication services provided
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via broadband, wireless and VoIP
05:14:13.299 --> 05:14:15.730
along with traditional wire-line telephone service
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now constitute essential services.
05:14:18.108 --> 05:14:20.400
Cal advocates ask the Commission to establish
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minimum service quality standards
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applicable to broadband wireless and VoIP services.
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Currently the Commission's minimum service quality standards
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apply only to plain old telephone service
05:14:30.826 --> 05:14:34.046
or what's referred to as pots providers,
05:14:34.046 --> 05:14:36.129
California advocates further recommended
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that the Commission review and consider revisions
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to geo 133-D's penalty framework to ensure penalties
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result in actual improved service quality.
05:14:45.687 --> 05:14:48.176
In 2016, the Commission issued decision
05:14:48.176 --> 05:14:51.926
1608021 adopting (GO) 133-D,
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which revised the minimum service quality standards
05:14:56.476 --> 05:14:59.353
that legacy pot service providers must meet.
05:14:59.353 --> 05:15:01.489
However, consumers increasingly rely
05:15:01.489 --> 05:15:03.941
on VoIP wireless and broadband services
05:15:03.941 --> 05:15:06.522
rather than plain old telephone services
05:15:06.522 --> 05:15:08.320
for their communications needs.
05:15:08.320 --> 05:15:10.201
The Commission has acknowledged this trend
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in many proceedings, but thus far,
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we have not updated our service quality rules
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to reflect this change.
05:15:15.761 --> 05:15:18.903
In 2020, the communications division released
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phase two of its network exam study required
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by Commission decision,
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which reviewed AT&T and Frontier California's
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Telecommunications Networks for the years, 2018 to 2019.
05:15:30.712 --> 05:15:32.860
This study found that communities and areas
05:15:32.860 --> 05:15:35.259
with the lowest household income suffer the most
05:15:35.259 --> 05:15:37.092
from poor service quality resulting
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from insufficient network, investment and maintenance.
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We've also determined that our existing policy,
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which permits investments in lieu of penalties
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is not working to improve service quality.
05:15:47.654 --> 05:15:49.792
While these communication services
05:15:49.792 --> 05:15:51.431
have been essential to modern life,
05:15:51.431 --> 05:15:53.483
the pandemic deepened our reliance on them
05:15:53.483 --> 05:15:56.715
and underscored the importance of communication services.
05:15:56.715 --> 05:15:59.976
Today adequate VoIP wireless and broadband services
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are necessary for attending school work,
05:16:02.684 --> 05:16:04.375
participating in government using
05:16:04.375 --> 05:16:07.608
TAA health services and receiving emergency alerts.
05:16:07.608 --> 05:16:09.471
We're all familiar with the struggles
05:16:09.471 --> 05:16:10.462
that so many students have had
05:16:10.462 --> 05:16:12.387
these past few years with assessing
05:16:12.387 --> 05:16:16.151
remote classes and at a recent public PSPS workshop.
05:16:16.151 --> 05:16:18.237
We heard from electric utilities who struggled
05:16:18.237 --> 05:16:21.878
to send PSPS text message alerts to their customers
05:16:21.878 --> 05:16:25.391
due to the lack of bandwidth of the local providers.
05:16:25.391 --> 05:16:27.841
This rule making seeks to address these issues
05:16:27.841 --> 05:16:29.335
and ensure that all Californians
05:16:29.335 --> 05:16:31.599
receive a minimum level of service quality
05:16:31.599 --> 05:16:35.304
that allows them to access to emergency information
05:16:35.304 --> 05:16:37.847
and to fully participate in modern life.
05:16:37.847 --> 05:16:39.703
The Commission has previously determined
05:16:39.703 --> 05:16:42.283
that wireless and interconnected VoIP providers
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meet the definition of telephone corporations
05:16:45.164 --> 05:16:47.085
and the Commission's rule making on emergency
05:16:47.085 --> 05:16:49.418
disaster relief are 1803011,
05:16:50.663 --> 05:16:53.676
the Commission confirm jurisdiction over VoIP providers
05:16:53.676 --> 05:16:56.117
in wireless telephone corporations and defined
05:16:56.117 --> 05:16:58.046
a minimum level of service and coverage
05:16:58.046 --> 05:17:00.213
that VoIP and wireless providers must achieve
05:17:00.213 --> 05:17:02.625
for public health and safety purposes.
05:17:02.625 --> 05:17:04.956
The Commission must ensure that telephone corporations
05:17:04.956 --> 05:17:07.362
provide customer service that needs reasonable
05:17:07.362 --> 05:17:09.461
statewide service quality standards,
05:17:09.461 --> 05:17:11.245
including but not limited to standards
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regarding network technical quality,
05:17:13.688 --> 05:17:17.078
telephone support, installation, repair, and billings.
05:17:17.078 --> 05:17:19.661
In order to make these assurances, we agree
05:17:19.661 --> 05:17:21.774
with Cal advocates that we must carefully examine
05:17:21.774 --> 05:17:25.087
the standards set out in (GO) 133-D
05:17:25.087 --> 05:17:27.827
and therefore grant the petition filed
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by Cal advocates as to opening this rule making.
05:17:30.493 --> 05:17:32.817
We do not adopt everything that Cal advocates
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requested in its petition.
05:17:34.657 --> 05:17:37.276
This OYR is open to assess whether
05:17:37.276 --> 05:17:40.849
service quality measures set out in (GO) 133-D.
05:17:40.849 --> 05:17:43.990
First, whether they meet the goals of (GO) 133,
05:17:43.990 --> 05:17:45.742
which is to ensure that telecommunications
05:17:45.742 --> 05:17:47.871
providers meet the level of service
05:17:47.871 --> 05:17:50.619
required by public utilities, code 451.
05:17:50.619 --> 05:17:52.823
Second, remain relevant to today's
05:17:52.823 --> 05:17:54.982
regulatory environment and market.
05:17:54.982 --> 05:17:57.838
Third, incorporate an effective penalty mechanism
05:17:57.838 --> 05:17:59.572
and enforcement framework, and then we
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will additionally close the petition 2110003,
05:18:05.495 --> 05:18:09.866
as opening this rule making addresses the petition.
05:18:09.866 --> 05:18:11.700
I'd like to thank all of the parties
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for their detailed comments and contributions
05:18:13.778 --> 05:18:15.909
that led to a better proposed order.
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I wanna thank judge Gal for her work on this matter
05:18:18.565 --> 05:18:20.612
and the team from the communications division,
05:18:20.612 --> 05:18:24.988
which include McKayla Panli, Gregory Rubenstein,
05:18:24.988 --> 05:18:27.646
NL Balvarda, and Theresa Hernandez
05:18:27.646 --> 05:18:30.260
for all of their time and work on this rule making.
05:18:30.260 --> 05:18:32.224
I also want to thank Helen Mickiewicz
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and CARRIE ANNE Shepherd for their legal counsel.
05:18:35.222 --> 05:18:37.094
And finally, I want to thank my advisor,
05:18:37.094 --> 05:18:39.467
Candace Choe for all of her great work
05:18:39.467 --> 05:18:41.380
and long hours on this matter.
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So with that, I ask that you join me
05:18:44.121 --> 05:18:46.892
in supporting the opening of this important rule making,
05:18:46.892 --> 05:18:48.567
and I'm looking forward to continue
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to work on these critical matters.
05:18:51.346 --> 05:18:54.655
And I'll turn it back over to you President Reynolds.
05:18:54.655 --> 05:18:56.213
Thank you, Commission Houck.
05:18:56.213 --> 05:18:59.046
Comments from other Commissioners?
05:19:00.138 --> 05:19:02.426
Commissioner Shiroma?
05:19:02.426 --> 05:19:03.366
Yes.
05:19:03.366 --> 05:19:04.594
Thank you President Reynolds.
05:19:04.594 --> 05:19:06.434
I'm in support of this item.
05:19:06.434 --> 05:19:10.644
It is one with the Commission's vision statement,
05:19:10.644 --> 05:19:13.956
which is to better the lives of all Californian's
05:19:13.956 --> 05:19:18.789
through recognize leadership in innovative communications,
05:19:20.316 --> 05:19:23.950
energy transportation, and water policies
05:19:23.950 --> 05:19:26.886
and various and facility on communication.
05:19:26.886 --> 05:19:30.588
This new OIR will allow us to be innovative
05:19:30.588 --> 05:19:34.772
in a way that definitely looks to improve
05:19:34.772 --> 05:19:37.770
the lives of Californians as Fisher,
05:19:37.770 --> 05:19:39.952
Houck has outlined very timely
05:19:39.952 --> 05:19:41.708
because it's been a number of years
05:19:41.708 --> 05:19:46.492
since we lost, made adjustments to (GO) 133.
05:19:46.492 --> 05:19:50.495
And since then we have (indistinct) launch for advances
05:19:50.495 --> 05:19:52.591
and funding opportunities.
05:19:52.591 --> 05:19:54.632
I wanna thank the account advocates
05:19:54.632 --> 05:19:57.715
for the petition on this, also to ALJ
05:19:59.317 --> 05:20:02.502
and to Commissioner Houck to you
05:20:02.502 --> 05:20:05.646
in your office in getting us to this point.
05:20:05.646 --> 05:20:06.479
Thank you.
05:20:08.098 --> 05:20:09.321
Thank you Commissioner Shiroma,
05:20:09.321 --> 05:20:12.015
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
05:20:12.015 --> 05:20:12.848
Thank you.
05:20:12.848 --> 05:20:16.521
I'll be supporting this OIR, this item
05:20:16.521 --> 05:20:20.151
I wanna thank Commissioner Houck for taking leadership
05:20:20.151 --> 05:20:23.989
and I wanna thank Cal advocates for their initiative
05:20:23.989 --> 05:20:26.726
and bringing the petition forward.
05:20:26.726 --> 05:20:29.095
This is extremely important for the reasons
05:20:29.095 --> 05:20:32.678
my colleagues said it's way long past time,
05:20:34.069 --> 05:20:36.515
given what we've been through with COVID
05:20:36.515 --> 05:20:39.173
to say again how essential communication services
05:20:39.173 --> 05:20:41.700
are for everyone in the state.
05:20:41.700 --> 05:20:43.916
I just wanna know one thing,
05:20:43.916 --> 05:20:45.629
Commissioner Houck mentioned this,
05:20:45.629 --> 05:20:49.297
that the OYR is looking at enforcement issues.
05:20:49.297 --> 05:20:50.805
I think that's timely.
05:20:50.805 --> 05:20:52.656
Some of the enforcement mechanisms
05:20:52.656 --> 05:20:55.430
we have to enforce service quality,
05:20:55.430 --> 05:20:58.354
performance standards are not effective.
05:20:58.354 --> 05:21:01.687
And our and reforms to them are overdue.
05:21:03.533 --> 05:21:07.009
We currently have a provision that permit's companies
05:21:07.009 --> 05:21:10.115
who violate the service quality standards
05:21:10.115 --> 05:21:13.221
to request that rather than pay penalties,
05:21:13.221 --> 05:21:16.221
they reinvest twice the fine amounts
05:21:17.464 --> 05:21:22.354
to make necessary improvements in lieu of paying a penalty.
05:21:22.354 --> 05:21:25.657
This alternative mechanism just hasn't worked.
05:21:25.657 --> 05:21:30.322
It has not had a strong return effect the way penalties can.
05:21:30.322 --> 05:21:33.404
Our communications division has found that these
05:21:33.404 --> 05:21:36.274
re-investments have not resulted in improvements
05:21:36.274 --> 05:21:39.309
to service quality and at their recommendation
05:21:39.309 --> 05:21:42.681
we've denied requests from carriers to utilize
05:21:42.681 --> 05:21:45.739
this alternative mechanism recently.
05:21:45.739 --> 05:21:47.338
So, I think it's time that we revisit
05:21:47.338 --> 05:21:50.238
and revise this alternative enforcement scheme
05:21:50.238 --> 05:21:53.302
among many other critical things in this OIR.
05:21:53.302 --> 05:21:57.885
So, as I said, I will be strongly supporting this item.
05:21:59.188 --> 05:22:00.530
Thank you Commission Rechtschaffen.
05:22:00.530 --> 05:22:02.812
Commissioner Reynolds?
05:22:02.812 --> 05:22:04.690
Thank you, president Reynolds.
05:22:04.690 --> 05:22:06.734
It has become apparent during this pandemic
05:22:06.734 --> 05:22:09.073
that Californians rely on high quality
05:22:09.073 --> 05:22:11.129
telecommunications services
05:22:11.129 --> 05:22:13.817
has only increased in recent years.
05:22:13.817 --> 05:22:16.064
Californians do rely on telecommunications
05:22:16.064 --> 05:22:18.586
for access to emergency services,
05:22:18.586 --> 05:22:21.703
education, healthcare, employment,
05:22:21.703 --> 05:22:24.764
staying in touch with loved ones and entertainment.
05:22:24.764 --> 05:22:26.820
The CPUC does have a critical role
05:22:26.820 --> 05:22:28.801
in monitoring Californians access
05:22:28.801 --> 05:22:31.098
to these critical services.
05:22:31.098 --> 05:22:34.959
Even before COVID-19 changed daily life.
05:22:34.959 --> 05:22:36.460
An increasing share of life and business
05:22:36.460 --> 05:22:39.366
was facilitated by services enabled
05:22:39.366 --> 05:22:43.072
by telecommunications connectivity.
05:22:43.072 --> 05:22:45.245
As already mentioned, this rule making
05:22:45.245 --> 05:22:47.734
will allow this Commission to assess
05:22:47.734 --> 05:22:52.086
and examine (GO) 133-D service quality standards,
05:22:52.086 --> 05:22:54.290
metrics, and enforcement mechanisms
05:22:54.290 --> 05:22:55.841
in order to ensure that the Commission
05:22:55.841 --> 05:23:00.461
is meeting its goals for telecommunication services.
05:23:00.461 --> 05:23:02.580
By opening this rule making the Commission
05:23:02.580 --> 05:23:05.290
does not make any predetermination
05:23:05.290 --> 05:23:07.721
of the quality standards measures,
05:23:07.721 --> 05:23:09.083
quality enforcement mechanisms
05:23:09.083 --> 05:23:10.831
that should apply to broadband,
05:23:10.831 --> 05:23:13.498
wireless, VoIP or other services
05:23:14.730 --> 05:23:17.999
Whether it be for education, work opportunities,
05:23:17.999 --> 05:23:20.000
government services, or the wide range
05:23:20.000 --> 05:23:22.774
of connected commerce and contact facilitated
05:23:22.774 --> 05:23:25.919
by telecommunications service quality standards
05:23:25.919 --> 05:23:28.054
matter in the digital age.
05:23:28.054 --> 05:23:30.662
That is why I will be supporting this item.
05:23:30.662 --> 05:23:33.322
And I would like to echo the thanks.
05:23:33.322 --> 05:23:35.702
Thanks to Commissioner Houck for her leadership
05:23:35.702 --> 05:23:38.602
to judge go to staff who've worked
05:23:38.602 --> 05:23:40.392
on this item as well as to Cal advocates
05:23:40.392 --> 05:23:41.414
for bring this petition.
05:23:41.414 --> 05:23:42.247
Thank you.
05:23:44.699 --> 05:23:46.903
Thank you, Commissioner Reynolds.
05:23:46.903 --> 05:23:50.007
I will also be supporting this item
05:23:50.007 --> 05:23:52.873
as Commissioner Houck outlined.
05:23:52.873 --> 05:23:55.772
The Commission has existing service quality protections
05:23:55.772 --> 05:23:58.635
for traditional landline telephones,
05:23:58.635 --> 05:24:00.108
but those protections are limited
05:24:00.108 --> 05:24:02.400
because landlines now make up a small percentage
05:24:02.400 --> 05:24:07.117
of communications subscriptions in the state about 5%.
05:24:07.117 --> 05:24:10.053
And this leads the majority of consumers
05:24:10.053 --> 05:24:11.602
without our protections.
05:24:11.602 --> 05:24:14.423
This inconsistency has been accentuated
05:24:14.423 --> 05:24:16.191
over the past two years of the pandemic,
05:24:16.191 --> 05:24:19.191
where we've relied on many types of communication
05:24:19.191 --> 05:24:22.944
subscriptions to work, learn, and meet our everyday needs.
05:24:22.944 --> 05:24:25.614
And we've felt the impacts of disruptions.
05:24:25.614 --> 05:24:28.140
For example, recent events have included
05:24:28.140 --> 05:24:30.961
a catastrophic outage in Morgan Hill
05:24:30.961 --> 05:24:34.185
lingering outages over this past winter storms,
05:24:34.185 --> 05:24:36.008
long standing service concerns
05:24:36.008 --> 05:24:38.571
in Mono, Placer and Nevada counties
05:24:38.571 --> 05:24:40.320
and communities like Markville
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who have struggled through many weeks
05:24:41.834 --> 05:24:45.207
without service after being devastated by wildfires.
05:24:45.207 --> 05:24:47.460
These are extraordinary event
05:24:47.460 --> 05:24:51.299
that have highlighted how communications outages
05:24:51.299 --> 05:24:54.073
impact Californians outside of these events.
05:24:54.073 --> 05:24:55.827
We have little insight into how smaller
05:24:55.827 --> 05:24:59.030
day to day outages impact these services
05:24:59.030 --> 05:25:02.273
that the majority of Californians rely on.
05:25:02.273 --> 05:25:04.588
This proceeding is timely and will provide
05:25:04.588 --> 05:25:07.859
an opportunity to review our existing oversight
05:25:07.859 --> 05:25:10.801
play mechanism, collect better data
05:25:10.801 --> 05:25:13.167
and develop new tools that will more accurately
05:25:13.167 --> 05:25:17.295
and effectively serve and protect all Californians.
05:25:17.295 --> 05:25:19.295
I am in support of the rule making.
05:25:19.295 --> 05:25:20.811
Thank you very much Commissioner Houck
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for your leadership on this matter.
05:25:24.274 --> 05:25:27.941
With that, I do we have a motion on item 44.
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Law move.
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Motion by Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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Do we have a second.
05:25:38.928 --> 05:25:40.298
Seconded.
05:25:40.298 --> 05:25:42.509
Second by Commissioner Reynolds,
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we have a motion and a second Agenda Clerk,
05:25:44.763 --> 05:25:46.513
please call the role.
05:25:47.829 --> 05:25:49.742
Commissioner John Reynolds?
05:25:49.742 --> 05:25:50.575
Yes.
05:25:51.542 --> 05:25:53.475
Commissioner Houck?
05:25:53.475 --> 05:25:54.308
Yes.
05:25:55.296 --> 05:25:57.871
Commissioner Shiroma?
05:25:57.871 --> 05:25:58.704
Aye.
05:25:59.759 --> 05:26:01.555
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
05:26:01.555 --> 05:26:02.388
Yes.
05:26:03.349 --> 05:26:05.856
President Alice Reynolds?
05:26:05.856 --> 05:26:07.342
Yes.
05:26:07.342 --> 05:26:09.260
The vote is five-zero.
05:26:09.260 --> 05:26:10.760
The motion passes.
05:26:13.912 --> 05:26:15.829
Turning now to item 47.
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There's no report for item 47 main management report
05:26:20.176 --> 05:26:25.176
and discussion on consumer protection and safety activities.
05:26:25.504 --> 05:26:28.677
That brings us to the Commissioner reports
05:26:28.677 --> 05:26:30.510
section of the agenda.
05:26:32.097 --> 05:26:33.339
Who would like to go first?
05:26:33.339 --> 05:26:34.922
Commissioner Houck.
05:26:35.762 --> 05:26:38.115
I just wanted to thank everyone again
05:26:38.115 --> 05:26:39.847
for getting that rule making done.
05:26:39.847 --> 05:26:43.565
I have a 4:00 PM commitment that I need to make,
05:26:43.565 --> 05:26:44.957
so I will be leaving,
05:26:44.957 --> 05:26:47.080
but so I just wanted to note that
05:26:47.080 --> 05:26:50.465
and on my next report we'll hopefully
05:26:50.465 --> 05:26:52.776
have some more information to report back on
05:26:52.776 --> 05:26:55.176
follow up from our affordability on bond.
05:26:55.176 --> 05:26:56.568
So, thank you.
05:26:56.568 --> 05:26:59.797
And with that, I will be leaving the meeting.
05:26:59.797 --> 05:27:01.799
Thank you Commissioner Houck.
05:27:01.799 --> 05:27:04.988
Commissioner Reynolds, present next.
05:27:04.988 --> 05:27:06.293
Thank you, president Reynolds.
05:27:06.293 --> 05:27:09.847
I have a couple of items that I would like to update.
05:27:09.847 --> 05:27:11.772
First, as the assigned Commissioner
05:27:11.772 --> 05:27:13.572
for the PCIA proceeding,
05:27:13.572 --> 05:27:16.174
I would like to make a few remarks about an item
05:27:16.174 --> 05:27:18.545
that we voted out on the Consent Agenda.
05:27:18.545 --> 05:27:23.545
Item 18, the resolution on the PCIA prepayment framework.
05:27:23.728 --> 05:27:25.256
I would just like to briefly note
05:27:25.256 --> 05:27:28.923
some significant aspects of that resolution.
05:27:31.354 --> 05:27:33.570
So, this resolution approves a framework
05:27:33.570 --> 05:27:36.745
that the electric utilities and CCA
05:27:36.745 --> 05:27:41.662
or DA parties will use to negotiate prepayment of the PCIA.
05:27:42.608 --> 05:27:44.578
I maybe stating the obvious but I expect
05:27:44.578 --> 05:27:46.206
that working out ways to prepay
05:27:46.206 --> 05:27:49.601
these costs will be a complicated endeavor.
05:27:49.601 --> 05:27:51.231
It is bound up with risk and uncertainty
05:27:51.231 --> 05:27:53.849
around power costs, financial viability,
05:27:53.849 --> 05:27:58.552
and load forecasts much like other aspects of the PCIA.
05:27:58.552 --> 05:28:01.067
When we originally directed a working group
05:28:01.067 --> 05:28:05.400
to explore this concept back in decision 18, 10, 019
05:28:06.626 --> 05:28:08.912
a big part of the intent was that this option
05:28:08.912 --> 05:28:10.960
should be explored because of its potential
05:28:10.960 --> 05:28:14.012
to reduce uncertainty by a process separate
05:28:14.012 --> 05:28:17.952
from the technical annual PCIA calculation itself,
05:28:17.952 --> 05:28:22.369
which of course attracts party attention and dispute.
05:28:23.330 --> 05:28:25.619
Market prices change over time.
05:28:25.619 --> 05:28:27.906
There's inherent variability,
05:28:27.906 --> 05:28:29.741
but right now resources are tight
05:28:29.741 --> 05:28:32.276
and market costs are relatively high,
05:28:32.276 --> 05:28:35.344
which reduces the PCIA and may in turn
05:28:35.344 --> 05:28:39.107
drive some DA and CCA entities to turn
05:28:39.107 --> 05:28:42.611
to prepayment as a potentially attractive option.
05:28:42.611 --> 05:28:44.898
So, negotiating parties will need to forecast
05:28:44.898 --> 05:28:46.858
future changes in market costs,
05:28:46.858 --> 05:28:51.062
as they consider inappropriate figure for prefound.
05:28:51.062 --> 05:28:53.355
If parties take a prepayment option,
05:28:53.355 --> 05:28:55.203
this variability creates risk
05:28:55.203 --> 05:28:58.445
that an individual prepayment may wind up
05:28:58.445 --> 05:29:02.442
lower or higher than a PCIA obligation Would've been.
05:29:02.442 --> 05:29:04.524
We permit parties to take that risk
05:29:04.524 --> 05:29:07.447
in order to provide certainty to all parties,
05:29:07.447 --> 05:29:10.076
departing customers who will know how much they owe
05:29:10.076 --> 05:29:13.121
for the resources, procure it on their behalf,
05:29:13.121 --> 05:29:16.122
but also certainty to remaining customers in utilities
05:29:16.122 --> 05:29:18.078
who will receive a prepayment that provides
05:29:18.078 --> 05:29:22.079
certainty about the contributions of departing customers.
05:29:22.079 --> 05:29:24.911
And this certainty should aid IOUs and making
05:29:24.911 --> 05:29:28.637
portfolio management decisions going forward.
05:29:28.637 --> 05:29:31.220
Over time, I hope that we will see
05:29:31.220 --> 05:29:33.687
any prepayments even out
05:29:33.687 --> 05:29:35.404
while some may eventually prove
05:29:35.404 --> 05:29:37.240
lower than PCIA obligations
05:29:37.240 --> 05:29:40.259
would've been others may prove higher.
05:29:40.259 --> 05:29:41.891
This would be a good outcome providing
05:29:41.891 --> 05:29:45.574
certainty while preserving indifference.
05:29:45.574 --> 05:29:47.519
And so here we've approved this framework
05:29:47.519 --> 05:29:49.374
and it remains to be seen
05:29:49.374 --> 05:29:50.386
whether this prepayment option
05:29:50.386 --> 05:29:53.000
will be used to what extent
05:29:53.000 --> 05:29:56.104
and when providers will pursue prepayment.
05:29:56.104 --> 05:29:57.544
I will look forward to keeping an eye
05:29:57.544 --> 05:29:59.230
on the progress and outcomes
05:29:59.230 --> 05:30:01.642
as prepayments move forward.
05:30:01.642 --> 05:30:03.361
I would also like to thank key staff
05:30:03.361 --> 05:30:05.859
in the energy division on this resolution,
05:30:05.859 --> 05:30:09.004
Nick Dalberg, Dina Macin and Sasha Cole,
05:30:09.004 --> 05:30:11.580
as well as my advisor, Maria Satero.
05:30:11.580 --> 05:30:14.157
Thank you all very much.
05:30:14.157 --> 05:30:15.547
Also one more brief item.
05:30:15.547 --> 05:30:17.388
I would like to mention that we've been holding
05:30:17.388 --> 05:30:21.558
PPHS in the PPG&E GRC over the past few weeks,
05:30:21.558 --> 05:30:25.435
I attended our PPH dedicated to Sanquin Valley Customers.
05:30:25.435 --> 05:30:28.987
And my office has been present for all of the PPHS.
05:30:28.987 --> 05:30:30.575
We heard from local officials
05:30:30.575 --> 05:30:32.707
in the city and county of Madera,
05:30:32.707 --> 05:30:34.388
who were concerned about local distribution
05:30:34.388 --> 05:30:36.687
grade capacity issues that apparently
05:30:36.687 --> 05:30:38.881
are holding back development in the area,
05:30:38.881 --> 05:30:40.606
as well as about affordability
05:30:40.606 --> 05:30:42.475
issues in their community.
05:30:42.475 --> 05:30:43.868
We also heard from repairs
05:30:43.868 --> 05:30:45.010
and concerned community members
05:30:45.010 --> 05:30:46.734
about increasing costs,
05:30:46.734 --> 05:30:48.101
especially in a time of COVID
05:30:48.101 --> 05:30:49.923
recovery and high inflation.
05:30:49.923 --> 05:30:52.130
I would like to thank my fellow Commissioners
05:30:52.130 --> 05:30:54.842
and their offices for their attendance.
05:30:54.842 --> 05:30:57.483
And I would like to thank the customers
05:30:57.483 --> 05:31:01.520
who appear at these CPUC to explain to us
05:31:01.520 --> 05:31:03.218
their experiences with their utility
05:31:03.218 --> 05:31:06.966
and their views on the rate work us before us.
05:31:06.966 --> 05:31:08.341
With that, I will turn it back
05:31:08.341 --> 05:31:09.174
to you president Reynolds.
05:31:09.174 --> 05:31:10.275
Thank you.
05:31:10.275 --> 05:31:13.218
Thank you Commissioner Reynold.
05:31:13.218 --> 05:31:15.619
Commissioner Shiroma?
05:31:15.619 --> 05:31:16.600
Thank you.
05:31:16.600 --> 05:31:19.211
I just wanted to share that next week
05:31:19.211 --> 05:31:21.794
we have two advisory committees
05:31:23.003 --> 05:31:26.138
who will be having their quarterly meetings.
05:31:26.138 --> 05:31:28.674
The first one will be on Monday from nine-noon.
05:31:28.674 --> 05:31:32.839
It's our universal lifeline, telephone service trust
05:31:32.839 --> 05:31:37.089
administrative committee or TSTAC, all are welcome.
05:31:38.758 --> 05:31:41.819
At the lifeline program provide discounts
05:31:41.819 --> 05:31:44.547
on home phone and cell phone service
05:31:44.547 --> 05:31:47.187
to qualify the low income households.
05:31:47.187 --> 05:31:49.365
During this meeting we will hear
05:31:49.365 --> 05:31:51.895
about the lifeline budget,
05:31:51.895 --> 05:31:56.559
the status of the renewals working group report.
05:31:56.559 --> 05:32:01.147
We'll hear about how the successful eye foster,
05:32:01.147 --> 05:32:04.480
foster youth pilot program is transitioning
05:32:04.480 --> 05:32:07.164
into our main lifeline program.
05:32:07.164 --> 05:32:10.211
And the information about the advisory community
05:32:10.211 --> 05:32:13.423
is our website on a daily calendar.
05:32:13.423 --> 05:32:15.975
And then on Thursday, we have our low income
05:32:15.975 --> 05:32:18.357
oversight board quarterly meeting.
05:32:18.357 --> 05:32:21.357
It will go from 10:00 AM to 3:30 PM.
05:32:22.576 --> 05:32:26.428
They advise us on low income electric, gas
05:32:26.428 --> 05:32:29.210
and water customer issues on the programs
05:32:29.210 --> 05:32:32.960
that appeal Coal county just outlined for us.
05:32:33.926 --> 05:32:36.697
We will receive an update from the investor on utilities,
05:32:36.697 --> 05:32:40.114
on those programs that he outlined today.
05:32:41.390 --> 05:32:44.520
We will also hear from several
05:32:44.520 --> 05:32:47.016
community based organizations.
05:32:47.016 --> 05:32:49.183
One of them is revalue.io.
05:32:50.032 --> 05:32:53.645
The other is Vermont Energy Investment Corporation.
05:32:53.645 --> 05:32:56.417
revalue.io is a community based
05:32:56.417 --> 05:32:58.573
organization in Northern California.
05:32:58.573 --> 05:33:00.994
That prepares communities to transition,
05:33:00.994 --> 05:33:02.709
to create energy by increasing
05:33:02.709 --> 05:33:05.445
the energy efficiency of building
05:33:05.445 --> 05:33:07.110
while removing health houses,
05:33:07.110 --> 05:33:09.728
such as lead and molds.
05:33:09.728 --> 05:33:12.895
Now as part of a Senate bill for 1477,
05:33:14.693 --> 05:33:16.893
Vermont Energy is the administrator
05:33:16.893 --> 05:33:19.403
of tech clean in California.
05:33:19.403 --> 05:33:23.583
It's a $120 million initiative to help advance
05:33:23.583 --> 05:33:25.037
the state's mission to achieve
05:33:25.037 --> 05:33:27.204
carbon neutrality by 2045.
05:33:28.502 --> 05:33:30.236
Tech clean California is funded
05:33:30.236 --> 05:33:33.624
by California Gas Corporation Repairs
05:33:33.624 --> 05:33:35.740
under the offices of the Commission.
05:33:35.740 --> 05:33:37.708
Vermont Energy Aid will provide details
05:33:37.708 --> 05:33:41.915
on their upcoming quick start grant solicitation
05:33:41.915 --> 05:33:44.078
that provides funding to organizations
05:33:44.078 --> 05:33:46.897
and ideas for pilot programs that overcome
05:33:46.897 --> 05:33:48.946
barriers to building electrification
05:33:48.946 --> 05:33:51.850
for low income and underserved communities.
05:33:51.850 --> 05:33:54.051
Again, all our welcome and the information
05:33:54.051 --> 05:33:56.940
is on our website and the VA calendar.
05:33:56.940 --> 05:33:57.773
Thank you.
05:33:59.316 --> 05:34:01.780
Thank you Commission Shiroma.
05:34:01.780 --> 05:34:04.212
Commission Rechtschaffen?
05:34:04.212 --> 05:34:05.258
Thank you, President Reynolds.
05:34:05.258 --> 05:34:07.765
First, I wanna thank Commissioner Reynolds
05:34:07.765 --> 05:34:11.373
for the PCIA decision and it's fantastic fair
05:34:11.373 --> 05:34:14.945
we have an expert on PCIA from Commissioner Reynolds
05:34:14.945 --> 05:34:19.601
prior work at the Commission who's see it right
05:34:19.601 --> 05:34:24.016
into the really difficult also controversial issues in PCIA.
05:34:24.016 --> 05:34:25.829
Again, I feel very good at night
05:34:25.829 --> 05:34:28.777
knowing that Commissioner Reynolds is on the case.
05:34:28.777 --> 05:34:30.549
Two things I wanted to mention.
05:34:30.549 --> 05:34:33.760
One, we along with the energy Commission
05:34:33.760 --> 05:34:36.422
are currently accepting applications
05:34:36.422 --> 05:34:39.722
for membership in the disadvantaged communities
05:34:39.722 --> 05:34:41.709
advisory group, which advises
05:34:41.709 --> 05:34:44.967
both of our agencies on clean energy issues.
05:34:44.967 --> 05:34:49.634
Applications are due on March 31st or due by March 31st.
05:34:51.212 --> 05:34:53.627
And you can find more information
05:34:53.627 --> 05:34:56.772
about this on the disadvantaged communities
05:34:56.772 --> 05:35:00.772
advisory group webpage that that CPUC maintained.
05:35:00.772 --> 05:35:02.367
So that's March 31st.
05:35:02.367 --> 05:35:05.450
Please share this information widely.
05:35:06.612 --> 05:35:09.142
Second, I want to provide a positive report
05:35:09.142 --> 05:35:11.265
about an event we had yesterday
05:35:11.265 --> 05:35:15.062
in our long term gas planning rule making.
05:35:15.062 --> 05:35:18.924
Our business and outreach and energy division teams
05:35:18.924 --> 05:35:20.924
held an unusual session.
05:35:22.316 --> 05:35:25.537
It was an informational webinar
05:35:25.537 --> 05:35:29.204
and the purpose was to familiarize community
05:35:30.071 --> 05:35:32.269
based organizations and other members
05:35:32.269 --> 05:35:33.468
of the public local governments,
05:35:33.468 --> 05:35:36.692
others who are not regular parties or participants
05:35:36.692 --> 05:35:41.312
are proceedings with the issues in that proceeding
05:35:41.312 --> 05:35:44.395
relating to how the gas market works,
05:35:45.436 --> 05:35:48.022
how the gas system operations work,
05:35:48.022 --> 05:35:49.251
pretty technical issues,
05:35:49.251 --> 05:35:52.272
but very germane to the proceeding.
05:35:52.272 --> 05:35:53.578
So that was part of it.
05:35:53.578 --> 05:35:57.256
We also tried to get feedback from them
05:35:57.256 --> 05:36:00.069
about how we can make it easier to participate
05:36:00.069 --> 05:36:04.191
in our proceedings and some of the barriers,
05:36:04.191 --> 05:36:05.905
barriers to electrification
05:36:05.905 --> 05:36:08.729
that they face in their communities.
05:36:08.729 --> 05:36:12.928
I'm really happy to say we had over 250 people who joined.
05:36:12.928 --> 05:36:14.486
A really good participation.
05:36:14.486 --> 05:36:17.475
We got some very, very positive feedback.
05:36:17.475 --> 05:36:20.043
We're gonna consider doing more of these
05:36:20.043 --> 05:36:21.677
as the rule making progress
05:36:21.677 --> 05:36:25.760
progresses to get this broad possible engagement.
05:36:26.600 --> 05:36:29.696
You'll be amused to say among the comments,
05:36:29.696 --> 05:36:32.237
the CPUCs perhaps the most difficult agency
05:36:32.237 --> 05:36:34.038
in California to deal with,
05:36:34.038 --> 05:36:36.689
proceedings are titled by long string of numbers.
05:36:36.689 --> 05:36:39.566
And when the words are used, they're very abstract.
05:36:39.566 --> 05:36:41.107
So there's lots of things
05:36:41.107 --> 05:36:44.495
that we can learn from this process.
05:36:44.495 --> 05:36:46.838
And we intend to utilize some of the lessons
05:36:46.838 --> 05:36:49.753
that we learned at this workshop.
05:36:49.753 --> 05:36:52.419
We are holding a half day workshop focused
05:36:52.419 --> 05:36:55.477
on equity issues in the long term
05:36:55.477 --> 05:36:57.894
gas proceeding on March 29th.
05:36:58.790 --> 05:37:00.508
And I hope that the other Commissioners
05:37:00.508 --> 05:37:02.340
and everyone else will join us.
05:37:02.340 --> 05:37:04.134
And I wanna give a special shout out
05:37:04.134 --> 05:37:05.811
to everyone who worked on putting together
05:37:05.811 --> 05:37:08.827
this really well received webinar
05:37:08.827 --> 05:37:13.326
from the business and outreach team Chris Moore,
05:37:13.326 --> 05:37:17.399
Stephanie Green, John Baker, and hope Chrisman.
05:37:17.399 --> 05:37:19.313
And from the energy division,
05:37:19.313 --> 05:37:22.303
Jean Spencer, Renee Guild, and Karen Trump.
05:37:22.303 --> 05:37:23.136
Thank you.
05:37:24.690 --> 05:37:27.196
Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
05:37:27.196 --> 05:37:28.880
I don't have a report today.
05:37:28.880 --> 05:37:33.880
So with that, we are concluding our Commissioners report
05:37:33.975 --> 05:37:37.088
and that is the end of our agenda today.
05:37:37.088 --> 05:37:40.421
So this public meeting is now adjourned.