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Welcome to the
California Public Utilities
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public voting meeting on this day,
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Thursday, December 16th, 2021.
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President Batjer, you may proceed.
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Thank you very much, operator,
and good morning, everyone.
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We need to establish a quorum.
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Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
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Commissioner Houck?
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Here.
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Commissioner Shiroma?
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
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Here.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
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Here.
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President Batjer?
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Here. We have
established a quorum.
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Thank you very much.
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I want to welcome everyone
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to the California Public
Utilities Commission.
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I'm calling this meeting
of December 16th, 2021,
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agenda item number 3499 to order.
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Due to the coronavirus pandemic
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and pursuant to the
authorization of section two
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of the, of Assembly Bill 361,
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we are conducting today's
business meeting online
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and by remote participation.
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The meeting is live-streamed
on the CPUC's website.
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You can view the meeting at
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We also have Spanish
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during the public comment
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I ask that my colleagues
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and today's speakers remain mindful
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and speak clearly and slowly.
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I will also occasionally
pause for interpretation.
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Claudia?
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(Claudia speaks Spanish)
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Public engagement is
critical to the CPUC process.
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If you wish to make a public comment,
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dial into 800-857-1917 and
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You will be placed into a queue
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and the operator will take your name
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and information if appropriate.
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You will be called upon to speak
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when we get to the public
comment period in today's agenda.
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If you encounter difficulty
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calling into the public telephone line,
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please email votingmeetinghelp,
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all one word, at cpuc.ca.gov,
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Before we begin with public comment,
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I would like to share some
thoughts with the CPUC community.
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Like many of you, I
associate this time of year
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with sharing moments with
family, friends, and colleagues.
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I also associate this time
with reflecting on the past year
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in preparation for the next.
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With this being the last
Commission meeting of the year,
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as well as the last Commission
meeting that I will chair
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and that Commissioner
Guzman Aceves will vote on it,
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there are many things putting me
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in a more thoughtful mindset.
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As I reflect, I think
specifically of all the work
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we as the CPUC have taken on
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under such challenging circumstances
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as these past two years have been,
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as they have been for
all of you in your personal
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and professional lives.
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While the pandemic
has upended our lives,
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the work here has
continued at a quicker pace
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and there has been crisis upon crisis
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that we have developed responses to.
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It is truly remarkable to look back
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on how much has been accomplished.
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We have worked to protect Californians
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from the economic
impacts of the pandemic,
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to mitigate the impacts
of utility power shutoff,
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to enhance the safety
cultures of our major utilities,
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to ensure reliability,
electric liability,
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of the state in the face of
climate driven extreme weather,
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to implementation of a historic
$6 billion broadband package
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to bridge the digital divide,
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to help make the Commission's
culture more diverse,
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equitable, and inclusive,
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and to rapidly advance
our state's efforts
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to decarbonize our energy system.
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This past year,
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California has installed
more clean energy,
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has installed more clean energy capacity
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than any other one year in history.
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Of course, doing all
of this has not come
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without growing pains and
personal costs to many of us.
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The scope and the
pace of this work reflects
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how critical it is to the
wellbeing of Californians.
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Real sacrifices have
been made by our staff
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to realize these achievements.
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But looking back, we did it
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and we are better for it.
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It is this way, alongside,
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it is in this way, alongside all of you,
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that I indeed find grace.
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So, I am grateful to
have had the opportunity
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to work with you and
to reflect with you.
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And I wish everyone a restful
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and very happy end of
this incredible new year,
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incredible year (laughs).
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Thank you all from
the bottom of my heart.
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We will now turn to public comment.
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If you wish to make a public comment
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and you have already dialed
into the public comment line,
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please press star one
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and unmute your phone to
enter the public comment queue.
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CPU rules do not allow
for parties and proceedings
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to speak about open proceedings.
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The public can make
comments addressing items
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on the consent and regular agenda
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as well as items not on the agenda.
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Please note, there will
not be public comment
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on items 2, 27, 47, 51,
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and all items on the
closed session agenda.
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You will have one minute
to speak. Let me repeat that.
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You will have one minute to speak.
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You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up.
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You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up.
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Please be mindful of other speakers.
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We have many in the queue today.
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We have many people who wish to speak.
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So please, keep to your allotted time
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because others will be
waiting a very long time
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in the queue.
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As a reminder, please
speak clearly and slowly
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to accommodate the Spanish interpreters
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who are available during
the public comment portion
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of today's meeting.
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With that guidance in mind,
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I welcome today's speakers
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and I will turn back to the operator
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to open the public telephone line.
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Operator?
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The public
comment line is now open.
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If you wish to speak during
the public comment period,
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please press star one,
unmute your phone,
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and clearly record your first
and last name when prompted.
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Our first caller is Alan
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with the Sunrise Bay Area Hub.
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You may go ahead.
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President Batjer, if you
pass the proposed changes
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to net metering, you will be known
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as a corporate sellout
who killed rooftop solar
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when California needed it most.
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Commissioner Aceves, if
you pass the proposed changes
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to net metering,
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you will be known as a corrupt official
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who accelerated the climate crisis.
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Commissioner
Rechtschaffen, if you pass this,
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you will be known as a tool of PG&E
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who threw lighter fluid
on the state's wildfires.
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Commissioner Shiroma, if you pass this,
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you will be known as a toady
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to big utilities who destroyed thousands
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of small solar installation businesses.
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Commissioner Houck, if you pass this,
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you will be known
as a friend to wildfires
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and enemy to Smokey the Bear.
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Thank you.
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Operator, the next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Roger.
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You may go ahead.
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Hi, I'm Roger
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and I'm an installer in
Northwestern California
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and community has kind of banded us
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as the merry band of installers.
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We've done lots of
homes and health clinics,
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and they really appreciate
the pace of rooftop solar.
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It seems like what's proposed now
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will be a great discouragement.
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I know in our area it would turn payback
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from six years to about 20 years.
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It's a lot like charging
people more money
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when they go to the grocery store
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if they grow their own food.
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So, I think it's a bad time
to discourage new installers
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and to dishonor people
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who've already been
installed 15 and 20 years ago
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to see them drop into something,
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which from my perspective,
does not seem like the intent
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of what you're all trying to do.
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So, I hope you take a different approach
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and our legacy is to pass
on the encouragement
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of rooftop solar residentially
in all parts of our state.
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So, thanks for your
considerations and good luck.
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Thank you for your call.
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Operator, next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Keith Monaghan.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning Commissioners.
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I'm Steve Monaghan,
chief information officer
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for the County of Nevada, California.
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I'm speaking to resolution T-17751
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for the Gigafy Nevada City project
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by Race Communications.
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Nevada County is a very rural county
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in desperate need of high
speed internet for our residents.
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Race Communications
has proven themselves
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to be a great community partner
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and responsible recipient
of public broadband funding,
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so much so that, in 2020,
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the Nevada County Board
of Supervisors granted Race
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an additional $1 million of
our limited COVID relief funding
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to accelerate and expand their local
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fiber to the home project construction
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in our community.
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Our Board of supervisors
formally sent a support letter
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to you on this resolution.
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We also request your support
in approving resolution T-17752
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for the Nevada County Fiber project.
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They have also proved
to be a responsible
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and reliable local
county broadband partner
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for the public funding
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as our Board of supervisors
has awarded them
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two local last mile grants previously.
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We request,
(bell rings)
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request that these two
resolutions be approved today.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, next caller, please.
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Next caller
is Andrea Marks
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with Nevada County Schools.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning,
Commissioners.
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I'm Andrea Marks,
director of curriculum,
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instruction and accountability
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for Nevada County
superintendent of schools.
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I'm speaking to you in
support of resolution T-17751,
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involving the Gigafy
Nevada City project.
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As a representative
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of the Nevada County
superintendent of schools,
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located in rural Nevada County,
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the development and expansion
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of broadband infrastructure
has never been more important
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to our students, their
families, and our communities.
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Nevada County has multiple large areas
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where both internet and
cell reception are not reliable.
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This has a huge impact
on the students' ability
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to complete long-term
projects, daily homework,
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or allowing their parents
to access home portals
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that our schools offer.
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And this has become exceptionally
apparent during COVID-19.
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If students do not live in
an internet friendly area,
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completing independent
study becomes impossible.
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Race Communications has
demonstrated themselves
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to be a great community partner
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and a responsible recipient
of public broadband funding,
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so much so that in 2020,
(bell rings)
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thank you, I appreciate your time.
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Thank you for the call.
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Operator, next caller, please.
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Our next caller is
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the California Native Plant Society.
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You may go ahead.
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Good morning.
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My name is Isabella Langone,
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commenting on behalf of the
California Native Plant Society.
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CNPS is a Statewide
nonprofit organization
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with more than 11,000 members
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dedicated to the conservation
of California's native flora.
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I'm calling regarding the
recent proposed decision
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regarding net metering ALJ
proposed decision 2008020.
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CNPS is strongly
opposed to this decision.
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Rooftop solar is crucial
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for meeting California's clean energy
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and land and biodiversity
conservation goals.
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It provides important environmental
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and public health benefits
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while reducing the need
to disturb intact habitats
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through large scale energy
storage projects in California's
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deserts and grasslands.
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Slowing development of
rooftop solar is counterproductive
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to California's
accomplishments and objectives,
00:15:46.060 --> 00:15:48.570
and it's ultimately hurtful
to the general public.
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For these reasons,
00:15:49.800 --> 00:15:51.690
CNPS strongly encourages the Commission
00:15:51.690 --> 00:15:53.390
to reconsider this decision.
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Thank you.
00:15:56.629 --> 00:15:57.462
Thank you.
00:15:57.462 --> 00:15:58.663
Operator, next caller, please.
00:16:00.224 --> 00:16:02.310
Our next
caller is Nate Knot.
00:16:02.310 --> 00:16:03.160
You may go ahead.
00:16:04.410 --> 00:16:05.243
Hello.
00:16:05.243 --> 00:16:07.640
I'm opposed to the rooftop solar rate
00:16:07.640 --> 00:16:10.180
that's been proposed by the state PUC.
00:16:10.180 --> 00:16:13.360
I was able to install
solar panels at no charge
00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.360
with the current NEM policy.
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Most of my installation was made
00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:19.390
with components made in the USA
00:16:19.390 --> 00:16:21.390
and it was employed by local employees,
00:16:21.390 --> 00:16:23.603
many of those of color and low income.
00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:27.710
This, my solar panels reduced
production and power load
00:16:27.710 --> 00:16:30.100
on the PG&E
infrastructure grid currently
00:16:30.100 --> 00:16:32.090
and reduce GHG emissions.
00:16:32.090 --> 00:16:33.860
Without this rate plan,
00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:37.260
only wealthy residents will
have a chance to do solar.
00:16:37.260 --> 00:16:39.210
China would then be
able to corner the market,
00:16:39.210 --> 00:16:40.690
with reduced installations,
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China would be able to corner the market
00:16:42.020 --> 00:16:44.690
on solar product installation market
00:16:44.690 --> 00:16:47.840
and using cheap subsidized components.
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PG&E will then have more
strain on its production facilities
00:16:51.010 --> 00:16:52.740
and grid during peak hours.
00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:53.763
Then they will have to
ask for rate increases
00:16:53.763 --> 00:16:58.480
because of the increased
strain on their grid.
00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.210
And I think a better solution
is to develop strategies
00:17:01.210 --> 00:17:03.890
and make panels available
to lower income people
00:17:03.890 --> 00:17:06.620
and also to develop credits
and near term subsidies
00:17:06.620 --> 00:17:08.770
to greatly enhance the use of,
00:17:08.770 --> 00:17:11.000
for people who cannot
install solar in their homes,
00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:12.690
to have better weatherization
(bell rings)
00:17:12.690 --> 00:17:15.290
of their homes with
insulation and better windows
00:17:15.290 --> 00:17:16.872
that are more energy efficient.
00:17:16.872 --> 00:17:17.705
Thank you.
This seems
00:17:17.705 --> 00:17:19.150
like a bait and switch policy.
00:17:19.150 --> 00:17:21.550
The policy got a lot of
people like me solar power
00:17:21.550 --> 00:17:22.680
that could not have had it before.
00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.970
I did not qualify for it
before, economically.
00:17:24.970 --> 00:17:26.610
And now that we've all install,
00:17:26.610 --> 00:17:27.720
many of us have installed this,
00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:30.810
they want to raise the rates
and take that away from us.
00:17:30.810 --> 00:17:33.260
So, thank you very much
for this time to comment.
00:17:34.710 --> 00:17:36.310
Operator, next caller, please.
00:17:39.484 --> 00:17:41.100
Our next
caller is Jim Clayton.
00:17:41.100 --> 00:17:42.093
You may go ahead.
00:17:43.410 --> 00:17:44.760
Hi, my name is Jim Clayton.
00:17:44.760 --> 00:17:45.930
I live in Rancho Penasquitos.
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I've been a solar user
since November 2011.
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I upgraded my system for
additional panels and battery
00:17:52.950 --> 00:17:54.780
in February, 2020.
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I urge the CPUC to reject the proposal
00:17:57.651 --> 00:18:00.430
because it would negatively
affect existing solar customers
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who are invested based
on net-metering agreements.
00:18:03.520 --> 00:18:06.180
Changing the cost benefit
for future solar users
00:18:06.180 --> 00:18:08.310
to a degree that will
negatively impact demand
00:18:08.310 --> 00:18:11.810
for new projects sends
completely the wrong message
00:18:11.810 --> 00:18:13.940
as to the value of residential solar
00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:16.830
as part of the climbing
climate warming goals,
00:18:16.830 --> 00:18:18.180
impacts the viability
00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:19.607
of the whole residential solar industry
00:18:19.607 --> 00:18:22.130
and the jobs that depend on it.
00:18:22.130 --> 00:18:25.660
The current proposal includes
the highest penalty charges
00:18:25.660 --> 00:18:28.680
on residential solar
customers in the country,
00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:32.130
retroactively changes the
deal for existing solar customers
00:18:32.130 --> 00:18:34.610
as they lose grandfathering
five years earlier
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than previously agreed by the CPUC,
00:18:37.410 --> 00:18:42.350
reduces savings to 88% of
the kilowatt hour export rates.
00:18:42.350 --> 00:18:45.030
And there also does not
appear to be a clear process
00:18:45.030 --> 00:18:46.263
of grandfathering existing projects
00:18:46.263 --> 00:18:48.904
that might have long lead times.
00:18:48.904 --> 00:18:50.104
(bell rings)
I believe,
00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.300
thank you.
00:18:52.300 --> 00:18:53.133
Thank you.
00:18:53.133 --> 00:18:54.733
Operator, next caller, please.
00:18:58.342 --> 00:19:00.742
And our next
caller is Cezan Seiko.
00:19:02.730 --> 00:19:03.580
You may go ahead.
00:19:09.470 --> 00:19:12.173
Cezan, could you
please go ahead?
00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.263
I'm sorry. We cannot hear you.
00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.830
Operator, please go to the next caller.
00:19:23.580 --> 00:19:25.970
Our next
caller is Claude McGee.
00:19:25.970 --> 00:19:26.820
You may go ahead.
00:19:29.010 --> 00:19:31.000
Yeah, my
name's Claude McGee.
00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.830
I am a part owner of a
commercial solar company
00:19:34.830 --> 00:19:35.960
based in Southern California.
00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.693
We do installations all over the state.
00:19:40.280 --> 00:19:42.620
I can tell you without question that
00:19:43.510 --> 00:19:46.070
if NEM 3.0 is rolled out in the format
00:19:46.070 --> 00:19:47.190
as we've seen it,
00:19:47.190 --> 00:19:50.360
that it will kneecap the solar industry.
00:19:50.360 --> 00:19:55.360
I currently have 20 guys working
for me, making good money.
00:19:57.670 --> 00:20:01.020
And as the guy who
leads up sales efforts,
00:20:01.020 --> 00:20:03.863
I can tell you that slashing the saving
00:20:06.450 --> 00:20:10.040
by 88% will make
sales extremely difficult
00:20:10.040 --> 00:20:14.824
and slow solar adoption
in the State of California.
00:20:14.824 --> 00:20:17.470
That would be terrible
for the environment.
00:20:17.470 --> 00:20:19.310
We'll lose a whole bunch of jobs.
00:20:19.310 --> 00:20:22.920
A lot of solar companies
will either not grow
00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:24.313
or go out of business.
00:20:25.170 --> 00:20:27.323
The timing of this would never be good.
00:20:28.310 --> 00:20:30.820
We need to have, we
need more solar, not less.
00:20:30.820 --> 00:20:34.240
And this, in its current format,
00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:35.970
will destroy the solar industry.
00:20:35.970 --> 00:20:36.803
Thank you.
00:20:38.660 --> 00:20:39.920
Thank you.
00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:41.640
Operator, next caller, please.
00:20:43.207 --> 00:20:45.690
Our next
caller is Ed Scofield.
00:20:45.690 --> 00:20:46.540
You may go ahead.
00:20:48.550 --> 00:20:51.980
Good morning, Commissioners.
My name is Ed Scofield.
00:20:51.980 --> 00:20:55.430
I'm a supervisor for
the County of Nevada.
00:20:55.430 --> 00:20:57.470
Especially with the COVID outbreak,
00:20:57.470 --> 00:20:59.250
we have become even more aware
00:20:59.250 --> 00:21:03.800
of our rural counties' lack
of broadband opportunities.
00:21:03.800 --> 00:21:08.800
I'm speaking in support
of resolution T-17751,
00:21:08.860 --> 00:21:12.270
involving the Gigafy
Nevada City project,
00:21:12.270 --> 00:21:15.973
and also request your
support for resolution T-17752,
00:21:18.530 --> 00:21:22.970
both Race Communication and
Nevada County Fiber have proven
00:21:22.970 --> 00:21:27.970
to be responsive and
reliable broadband partners
00:21:28.150 --> 00:21:30.500
worthy the public funding.
00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:34.090
Thank you so much for your
support of these two resolutions.
00:21:34.090 --> 00:21:34.923
Thank you.
00:21:35.876 --> 00:21:37.000
Thank you for your call.
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:38.663
Operator, next caller, please.
00:21:40.996 --> 00:21:43.140
And our next
caller is David McCord.
00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:43.990
You may go ahead.
00:21:45.760 --> 00:21:47.740
Hi, this is David McCord.
00:21:47.740 --> 00:21:51.710
I'm a rate payer in El Silbido.
00:21:51.710 --> 00:21:54.490
I'm talking about net energy metering
00:21:54.490 --> 00:21:58.530
and the proposed decision
released December 13th,
00:21:58.530 --> 00:22:00.670
which would discourage it.
00:22:00.670 --> 00:22:03.810
Robust increases in customers solar
00:22:03.810 --> 00:22:08.810
and storage will be vital
to California's climate goals
00:22:08.810 --> 00:22:12.150
and will minimize peak loads.
00:22:12.150 --> 00:22:15.580
It will reduce the expense
for both transmission
00:22:15.580 --> 00:22:18.130
and distribution infrastructure.
00:22:18.130 --> 00:22:22.160
These resources have high value.
00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.190
Basing an 80% cut and bill credit
00:22:25.190 --> 00:22:30.190
for customer exports on
puny avoided cost calculations
00:22:30.510 --> 00:22:35.390
and adding additional charges
would reduce the incentive
00:22:35.390 --> 00:22:38.700
for customers to install solar.
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:41.130
You must decide whether you want
00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:44.510
to encourage new
customer solar and storage,
00:22:44.510 --> 00:22:45.950
or discourage it.
00:22:45.950 --> 00:22:46.783
Thank you.
00:22:48.780 --> 00:22:51.950
Mr. McCord, I want to
thank you for your many calls.
00:22:51.950 --> 00:22:54.800
I don't think you have missed
one Commission meeting
00:22:54.800 --> 00:22:56.083
that I have chaired.
00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:59.991
Thank you for your
participation over the years.
00:22:59.991 --> 00:23:01.521
Thank you.
Operator, the next caller,
00:23:01.521 --> 00:23:02.354
please.
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:07.110
Our next
caller is Kristin Kirk.
00:23:07.110 --> 00:23:07.960
You may go ahead.
00:23:09.290 --> 00:23:10.920
Yes. My
name is Kristin Kirk.
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.570
I've worked in the solar
industry for 12 years.
00:23:13.570 --> 00:23:16.560
I'm the sole income
provider for my household
00:23:16.560 --> 00:23:18.030
and the changes that are proposed
00:23:18.030 --> 00:23:21.100
for NEM 3.0 will
devastate the solar industry
00:23:21.100 --> 00:23:24.080
and put me and thousands
of people out of a job,
00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:26.850
let alone thousands of local businesses.
00:23:26.850 --> 00:23:30.070
This proposal will kill
residential and commercial solar,
00:23:30.070 --> 00:23:33.650
which will slow down California's
renewable energy goals.
00:23:33.650 --> 00:23:37.317
You must reject this and
protect the solar industry
00:23:37.317 --> 00:23:38.890
and all of the thousands of jobs
00:23:38.890 --> 00:23:41.067
and businesses this will impact.
00:23:41.067 --> 00:23:43.303
The CPUC's purpose is to regulate
00:23:43.303 --> 00:23:45.650
these investor owned utilities.
00:23:45.650 --> 00:23:47.757
Please stand up for the solar customers,
00:23:47.757 --> 00:23:49.677
the solar industry workers,
00:23:49.677 --> 00:23:52.530
and support the renewable
energy goals of the state.
00:23:52.530 --> 00:23:53.363
Thank you.
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:56.473
Thank you.
00:23:56.473 --> 00:23:57.883
Operator, next caller, please.
00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:01.753
Our next
caller is Larry Justino.
00:24:03.340 --> 00:24:04.190
You may go ahead.
00:24:05.100 --> 00:24:06.180
Yeah, this is Larry Justino.
00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:07.143
Could you hear me?
00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:09.700
Hello?
Yes, we can.
00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:10.870
Please go ahead.
Oh, okay.
00:24:10.870 --> 00:24:12.250
Oh, super. Yeah.
00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:15.560
Dear President Batjer and
the CPUC Commissioners,
00:24:15.560 --> 00:24:17.960
I'm commenting on the NEM 3 decision.
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.340
I've been involved in solar
in California since 1965
00:24:21.340 --> 00:24:26.340
with the Bell Telephone
Labs did a solar in the schools
00:24:26.570 --> 00:24:28.180
in Southern California at that time.
00:24:28.180 --> 00:24:29.750
Anyway, I'm interested to know
00:24:29.750 --> 00:24:34.750
if anyone can explain how
Monday's CPUC vote will support,
00:24:34.800 --> 00:24:37.830
and three things, the
original renewable vision
00:24:37.830 --> 00:24:41.570
of the 1978 federal PURPA regulations
00:24:41.570 --> 00:24:43.350
or smoothly integrate
00:24:43.350 --> 00:24:45.150
with the new inspiring spirit
00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:48.520
of the Biden Harris federal
build back better framework,
00:24:48.520 --> 00:24:51.640
or even help the vast
majority of California voters
00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.930
surviving the disastrous
wildfires, devastating drought,
00:24:55.930 --> 00:24:58.270
and desperately want
a brighter solar future
00:24:58.270 --> 00:25:00.510
for their families, friends
and all of California.
00:25:00.510 --> 00:25:02.600
So how is the CPUC going
00:25:02.600 --> 00:25:04.600
to ensure this essential transition
00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:07.730
to sustainable clean energy
future for all of California?
00:25:07.730 --> 00:25:09.040
That's my question.
00:25:09.040 --> 00:25:09.873
Thank you.
00:25:11.706 --> 00:25:12.539
Thank you.
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:13.913
Operator, next caller, please.
00:25:16.551 --> 00:25:18.670
And our next
caller is Bob Ellerby.
00:25:18.670 --> 00:25:19.520
You may go ahead.
00:25:21.058 --> 00:25:22.257
Thank you.
00:25:22.257 --> 00:25:23.807
I'm Bob Ellerby from
Northern California.
00:25:23.807 --> 00:25:27.170
I went solar personally eight years ago.
00:25:27.170 --> 00:25:30.050
And part of the decision-making
process was the promise
00:25:30.050 --> 00:25:33.030
that I'd have 20 years
of net energy metering.
00:25:33.030 --> 00:25:35.057
And it's shocking to me
00:25:35.057 --> 00:25:40.057
that the government entities
would renege on that promise,
00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:44.120
it shows how the
public has such distrust
00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:47.560
in government thinking
that that could happen.
00:25:47.560 --> 00:25:48.480
So, three years ago,
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.360
I chose to open my own solar
business to try to help those
00:25:52.360 --> 00:25:57.360
that I knew reap the same
rewards of having clean energy.
00:25:58.190 --> 00:26:00.800
And since that time,
our business has tripled
00:26:00.800 --> 00:26:03.986
due to a great deal of
investment and growth.
00:26:03.986 --> 00:26:07.680
We have folks on our team
that have bought homes,
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:10.900
had children, have a lifestyle based
00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:13.950
on this promise that
solar's going to be there
00:26:13.950 --> 00:26:15.100
for them and their family.
00:26:15.100 --> 00:26:18.440
And clearly, we would like
you to reject this proposal
00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.590
for NEM 3, as it would
absolutely devastate our business,
00:26:22.590 --> 00:26:24.100
probably shrink it in less than half.
00:26:24.100 --> 00:26:26.714
We don't have, you'd
have to look too far,
00:26:26.714 --> 00:26:29.150
Modesto Irrigation District
did something similar
00:26:29.150 --> 00:26:31.530
several years ago and
solar pretty much ceased
00:26:31.530 --> 00:26:33.425
to exist in that marketplace.
00:26:33.425 --> 00:26:37.492
That's what would
happen to me. (bell rings)
00:26:37.492 --> 00:26:38.800
Thank you.
00:26:38.800 --> 00:26:41.633
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:26:42.800 --> 00:26:45.030
Our next
caller is Dustin Goodman.
00:26:45.030 --> 00:26:45.863
You may go ahead
00:26:51.800 --> 00:26:54.143
Again, Dustin Goodman,
your line is open.
00:26:57.660 --> 00:26:59.090
Ms. Goodman, are you there?
00:26:59.090 --> 00:27:00.040
You might be muted.
00:27:03.630 --> 00:27:07.063
Okay, Operator, we'll
have to go on the next caller.
00:27:07.063 --> 00:27:10.770
And our next caller
is Bill Allayaud with EWG.
00:27:10.770 --> 00:27:11.620
You may go ahead.
00:27:13.730 --> 00:27:14.830
Hello, I am Bill Allayaud,
00:27:14.830 --> 00:27:15.990
government affairs director
00:27:15.990 --> 00:27:18.570
for the Environmental
Working Group in California.
00:27:18.570 --> 00:27:22.000
And this regards the net
metering proposed decision.
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.560
We think that the CPUC
is sending a strong signal
00:27:24.560 --> 00:27:26.100
to Californians that reasonable
00:27:26.100 --> 00:27:27.660
and affordable electric service
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:30.130
and renewable energy
is not a high priority
00:27:30.130 --> 00:27:34.250
as it has been in the past if
they adopt this as proposed.
00:27:34.250 --> 00:27:36.950
It's clear that utility
profits are of higher priority
00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:39.780
than the economic wellbeing
of consumers and businesses
00:27:39.780 --> 00:27:43.480
across the state, as well
as the state's climate goals.
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.750
The proposal adheres to
utility misinformation concerning
00:27:46.750 --> 00:27:50.067
the benefits of solar
and non-solar customers.
00:27:50.067 --> 00:27:52.880
The utilities have
systematically underestimated
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.630
the economic benefits
for distributed solar
00:27:55.630 --> 00:27:58.610
and therefore the PUC
proposal ignores the obvious,
00:27:58.610 --> 00:28:03.260
tangible benefits provided by
distributed solar and storage
00:28:03.260 --> 00:28:07.900
and continues a utility
kleptocracy in California.
00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:09.440
For example, energy efficiency
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:13.630
and rooftop solar
investments avoided $2.6 billion
00:28:13.630 --> 00:28:16.360
in transmission and
distribution system upgrades,
00:28:16.360 --> 00:28:18.350
which is being ignored.
00:28:18.350 --> 00:28:19.183
We feel this is
(bell rings)
00:28:19.183 --> 00:28:21.660
a one-side proposal meant to protect
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:25.850
and increase profits for
PG&E and other IOUs
00:28:25.850 --> 00:28:27.700
and which will have a
significant chilling effect
00:28:27.700 --> 00:28:28.533
on the growth
00:28:28.533 --> 00:28:31.090
of efficient distributed
generation of electricity.
00:28:31.090 --> 00:28:31.923
Thank you.
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:35.233
Thank you.
00:28:35.233 --> 00:28:37.003
Call, operator, next caller, please.
00:28:39.470 --> 00:28:42.270
Our next
caller is Candido Castillo
00:28:42.270 --> 00:28:44.920
with Los Angeles Metropolitan Churches.
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:45.770
You may go ahead.
00:28:48.084 --> 00:28:49.920
Can you hear me?
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.080
Yes, we can. Please go ahead.
00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:53.610
Hi. My name is Candido.
00:28:53.610 --> 00:28:56.660
I'm with Los Angeles
Metropolitan Churches.
00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:59.880
Our goal is to identify
resources and energy
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:01.423
to operate our centers.
00:29:03.050 --> 00:29:05.360
We are here to talk with you,
00:29:05.360 --> 00:29:07.810
to tell you not to pass this measure.
00:29:07.810 --> 00:29:11.673
We are located in South
Central area at 90011,
00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:17.390
our broadband and our solar that,
00:29:17.390 --> 00:29:19.820
we live in a low income, or sorry.
00:29:19.820 --> 00:29:23.130
Our organization is
in a low income area.
00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:26.360
Delay the shutdowns
of fossil fuel plants,
00:29:26.360 --> 00:29:28.170
the PCU proposed decision
00:29:28.170 --> 00:29:31.780
to set back the environmental
justice movement efforts
00:29:31.780 --> 00:29:36.780
to shut down fossil fuel power plants
00:29:37.170 --> 00:29:39.840
that are polluting our lungs
00:29:39.840 --> 00:29:44.320
of the EJ communities every day.
00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:47.140
What is the environmental
justice in that?
00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:48.830
The true environmental justice is
00:29:48.830 --> 00:29:53.830
about helping millions of
people make local clean energy.
00:29:54.065 --> 00:29:59.065
So we can shut down fossil
fuels and end the IOU corruption
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.680
of monopoly control over our lives.
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.710
Thank you,
(bell rings)
00:30:06.710 --> 00:30:07.720
Thank you.
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.303
Operator, next caller, please.
00:30:11.510 --> 00:30:13.730
Our next caller
is Francisco Moreno
00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:17.400
with the Coalition for
Environmental Equity and Economics.
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.250
You may go ahead.
00:30:19.250 --> 00:30:20.760
Thank you. Good
morning, Commissioners.
00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:22.977
My name is Francisco
Moreno, executive director
00:30:22.977 --> 00:30:26.150
for COFEM, Council
of Mexican Federations,
00:30:26.150 --> 00:30:30.113
with the Coalition for
Environmental Equity and Economics.
00:30:31.110 --> 00:30:34.190
We reject the proposed decision
00:30:34.190 --> 00:30:37.890
because it's taking away
from communities of color,
00:30:37.890 --> 00:30:40.450
right when it becomes affordable to all.
00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:44.510
The NEM 3.0 proposal
rollbacks their policy
00:30:44.510 --> 00:30:48.420
that made that technology
available in the first place.
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:52.210
We are not fooled by the
breadcrumbs you are throwing
00:30:52.210 --> 00:30:54.460
at working class communities.
00:30:54.460 --> 00:30:57.590
We see the monopoly utilities cynically,
00:30:57.590 --> 00:31:00.290
greedy fingers all over your proposal.
00:31:00.290 --> 00:31:04.446
The IOUs want to protect
their control over energy delivery
00:31:04.446 --> 00:31:06.890
to protect their billions in profits
00:31:06.890 --> 00:31:09.940
and luck in the current inequality,
00:31:09.940 --> 00:31:12.550
the environmentalist
justice community wants
00:31:12.550 --> 00:31:14.120
true energy equity,
00:31:14.120 --> 00:31:16.260
where people are free to generate
00:31:16.260 --> 00:31:18.140
and distribute their own energy
00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:21.050
in ways that are cleaner
and more affordable.
00:31:21.050 --> 00:31:25.010
We are not fooled by the
window dressing in your proposal.
00:31:25.010 --> 00:31:27.456
This is a giveaway (bell
rings) to monopolies.
00:31:27.456 --> 00:31:30.381
Thank you.
00:31:30.381 --> 00:31:31.440
Thank you.
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:32.940
Operator, next caller, please.
00:31:34.285 --> 00:31:35.810
Our next
caller is Jackson Loop.
00:31:35.810 --> 00:31:36.660
You may go ahead.
00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:39.160
Hi, my
name is Jackson Loop
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.020
with the Southern California Association
00:31:41.020 --> 00:31:42.190
of Nonprofit Housing.
00:31:42.190 --> 00:31:45.470
We represent the nonprofit
builders of affordable housing
00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:47.730
throughout the region
of Southern California.
00:31:47.730 --> 00:31:49.970
We're calling in opposition
to the proposed changes
00:31:49.970 --> 00:31:51.520
to net-metering policy.
00:31:51.520 --> 00:31:54.900
We believe this change
will make solar energy
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:56.820
inaccessible and inequitable,
00:31:56.820 --> 00:31:59.340
and that proposed
incentives don't come close
00:31:59.340 --> 00:32:01.530
to making up for the difference.
00:32:01.530 --> 00:32:04.240
The CPUC should start over
with the goal of helping millions
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.570
of working and middle-class
people get rooftop solar
00:32:06.570 --> 00:32:09.030
rather than putting
obstacles in their way.
00:32:09.030 --> 00:32:11.970
While the proposed decision
temporarily lets MASH
00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:14.600
and SOMAH projects keep their old rules,
00:32:14.600 --> 00:32:17.140
it does nothing for low and
moderate income families,
00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:18.830
which constitute close to half
00:32:18.830 --> 00:32:21.210
of all solar users in California.
00:32:21.210 --> 00:32:23.310
We're also concerned about projects
00:32:23.310 --> 00:32:26.370
that predate MASH
and SOMAH installations.
00:32:26.370 --> 00:32:27.620
Our members have informed us
00:32:27.620 --> 00:32:30.400
that some of these
projects may see increases
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:35.400
of up to $85,000 per year as
a result of this policy change.
00:32:35.610 --> 00:32:37.160
So, we want you to know
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.090
that the affordable housing community is
00:32:39.090 --> 00:32:40.680
also coming out against this motion.
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:41.513
Thank you.
00:32:44.404 --> 00:32:45.237
Thank you.
00:32:45.237 --> 00:32:46.340
Operator, next caller, please.
00:32:49.175 --> 00:32:51.510
Our next
caller is David Ha.
00:32:51.510 --> 00:32:53.130
You may go ahead.
00:32:53.130 --> 00:32:54.450
Good morning, Commissioner.
00:32:54.450 --> 00:32:57.540
Hi, my name is David Ha
from Northern California.
00:32:57.540 --> 00:33:01.683
I am also a residential solar customer.
00:33:03.170 --> 00:33:06.477
Yeah, basically I think the new,
00:33:06.477 --> 00:33:10.073
the NEM 3 net metering
proposal is horrible.
00:33:11.660 --> 00:33:15.140
It will affect the power
outage, local rooftop solar
00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:18.060
and battery storage is
the best and proven way
00:33:18.060 --> 00:33:20.160
for people to protect themselves,
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.690
especially during the power outage.
00:33:22.690 --> 00:33:25.570
It'll also affect the climate change,
00:33:25.570 --> 00:33:27.830
California will not meet
the climate change goals
00:33:27.830 --> 00:33:32.430
if we back off from
solar, rooftop solar.
00:33:32.430 --> 00:33:34.470
The state itself says,
00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:36.050
we need to triple the amount of solar
00:33:36.050 --> 00:33:38.630
to get it off the fossil fuels,
00:33:38.630 --> 00:33:40.887
most last scales and rooftop solar.
00:33:40.887 --> 00:33:44.853
And I believe we cannot
slow down the rooftop like this.
00:33:45.710 --> 00:33:48.900
It affects the highest penalty charges
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:51.460
on residential solar
customer in the country.
00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:54.630
Currently, only Wyoming and Alabama
00:33:54.630 --> 00:33:58.460
have a similar penalty charges.
00:33:58.460 --> 00:33:59.453
It also affect the,
(bell rings)
00:33:59.453 --> 00:34:03.280
all the existing customers
with NEM 1 and NEM 2,
00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:05.900
who will lose the grandfather
in five years earlier
00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:07.910
than promised by CPUC.
00:34:07.910 --> 00:34:09.097
So I hope,
00:34:10.458 --> 00:34:12.590
you know, to reconsider the,
I'm sorry,
00:34:12.590 --> 00:34:15.329
The new
proposal. Thank you.
00:34:15.329 --> 00:34:16.162
Thank you.
00:34:16.162 --> 00:34:17.420
Operator, next caller, please.
00:34:19.065 --> 00:34:20.940
Our next
caller is Kyle Clark.
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:21.790
You may go ahead.
00:34:23.010 --> 00:34:25.010
Good morning Commissioners.
My name's Kyle Clark.
00:34:25.010 --> 00:34:26.950
I live in Soda Creek, California.
00:34:26.950 --> 00:34:29.710
I've been working for the
solar industry for seven years,
00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:31.380
working with Select Solar Pros.
00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:33.770
I am the sole provider for my family.
00:34:33.770 --> 00:34:35.060
I'm calling today to ask
00:34:35.060 --> 00:34:38.440
that you would reject the
horrible proposed decision
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:39.930
for NEM 3,
00:34:39.930 --> 00:34:42.700
as it would drastically split
rooftop solar in California,
00:34:42.700 --> 00:34:46.230
and would no longer make
it beneficial for customers
00:34:46.230 --> 00:34:47.870
to do solar.
00:34:47.870 --> 00:34:50.090
Rejecting the proposal
would also protect hundreds
00:34:50.090 --> 00:34:51.523
of thousands of solar jobs.
00:34:52.580 --> 00:34:55.610
This proposed decision,
also, is bad, as a state goal,
00:34:55.610 --> 00:34:58.575
we want to be 50%
renewable generation by 2025.
00:34:58.575 --> 00:35:01.670
And if this NEM 3 proposal is passed,
00:35:01.670 --> 00:35:04.120
the goal will never come
close to being attained.
00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:07.120
For customers, it is
cutting their savings by 88%
00:35:07.120 --> 00:35:07.953
for export rate,
00:35:07.953 --> 00:35:09.470
which means that the benefit of solar
00:35:09.470 --> 00:35:12.080
and return on investment
would no longer make sense
00:35:12.080 --> 00:35:13.450
for customers.
00:35:13.450 --> 00:35:16.310
California will not meet
the climate change goals
00:35:16.310 --> 00:35:18.300
if we back off from rooftop solar.
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.870
The state itself says we need
to triple the amount of solar
00:35:20.870 --> 00:35:22.400
to get off fossil fuels,
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.570
both large-scale and rooftop solar.
00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:26.720
We cannot slow down
rooftop solar like this.
00:35:26.720 --> 00:35:28.090
I want to thank you for your time
00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:31.323
and your consideration
with this, and happy holidays.
00:35:32.900 --> 00:35:33.910
Thank you.
00:35:33.910 --> 00:35:35.653
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:35:38.575 --> 00:35:40.260
And our next
caller is Michael Rush.
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:41.110
You may go ahead.
00:35:42.490 --> 00:35:43.510
Good morning.
00:35:43.510 --> 00:35:45.720
My name is Michael
Rush with EAH Housing,
00:35:45.720 --> 00:35:46.800
a nonprofit organization
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.830
that has provided affordable housing
00:35:48.830 --> 00:35:51.639
across California for over 50 years.
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.220
The NEM 3.0 proposed
decision is fundamentally flawed.
00:35:55.220 --> 00:35:57.670
It assumes solar is not
reaching low-income renters.
00:35:57.670 --> 00:35:58.880
That is simply not true.
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.580
EAH has more than 40 sites
with solar PV in California,
00:36:02.580 --> 00:36:04.100
serving residents in common areas,
00:36:04.100 --> 00:36:07.090
providing about a million
dollars of annual savings.
00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:09.190
We have 17 sites in the SOMAH pipeline
00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:11.580
that we anticipate will save
another quarter million dollars
00:36:11.580 --> 00:36:13.940
for those low income residents.
00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:16.340
These systems must make financial sense
00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:18.113
and we have to cover our costs.
00:36:19.080 --> 00:36:20.500
One example, as an early leader,
00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:23.560
we installed solar along with
energy efficiency measures
00:36:23.560 --> 00:36:26.970
on a 378 unit multi-family
HUD preservation property
00:36:26.970 --> 00:36:28.600
we acquired.
00:36:28.600 --> 00:36:33.600
It has 27 individual NEM
installations rated 199 KW.
00:36:33.820 --> 00:36:36.050
The audited cost of
electricity pre-install it
00:36:36.050 --> 00:36:39.920
in 2006 was $356,000.
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.430
14 years later, electric
costs in 2020 were $97,000,
00:36:44.430 --> 00:36:49.210
just $8 fixed charge per
KW equals $85,000 a year
00:36:49.210 --> 00:36:50.680
in additional costs.
00:36:50.680 --> 00:36:52.507
Include the reduced export values
00:36:52.507 --> 00:36:53.340
(bell rings)
in added fees
00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:55.710
and this PD will cost this
property close to a million,
00:36:55.710 --> 00:36:57.120
quarter million dollars.
00:36:57.120 --> 00:36:58.820
Thank you very much for your time.
00:36:59.740 --> 00:37:00.910
Thank you for your call.
00:37:00.910 --> 00:37:02.683
Operator, next caller, please.
00:37:04.548 --> 00:37:07.560
Our next
caller is Destiny Riva.
00:37:07.560 --> 00:37:08.410
You may go ahead.
00:37:11.690 --> 00:37:13.400
Hello? Can you hear me?
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:14.233
Yes, we can.
00:37:14.233 --> 00:37:15.660
Please go ahead.
00:37:15.660 --> 00:37:17.640
Thank you. My
name is Destiny Rivas.
00:37:17.640 --> 00:37:19.133
I'm a member of the CEEE.
00:37:20.080 --> 00:37:21.100
I am also the,
00:37:21.100 --> 00:37:22.690
working at the Native
American Indian Center
00:37:22.690 --> 00:37:23.850
with Native Education.
00:37:23.850 --> 00:37:26.890
I also chair the San Joaquin
Urban Native Council.
00:37:26.890 --> 00:37:30.610
Your proposed decision
impacts our communities of color.
00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:34.080
The NEM 3.0 proposal
will be devastating to them.
00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:35.170
Please reconsider.
00:37:35.170 --> 00:37:38.500
Do not give away our futures
to corporate energy monopolies.
00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:40.870
They are trying just to
protect their billions of dollars
00:37:40.870 --> 00:37:42.010
in profits, and what do they do
00:37:42.010 --> 00:37:43.560
with their billions
of dollars of profits?
00:37:43.560 --> 00:37:45.070
They give it to their shareholders
00:37:45.070 --> 00:37:46.750
instead of maintaining their lines.
00:37:46.750 --> 00:37:48.400
And if they had maintained their lines,
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.100
we would not have
these devastating fires.
00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:52.470
And then when they got
those fires, and they got sued,
00:37:52.470 --> 00:37:53.350
what did they do?
00:37:53.350 --> 00:37:54.860
They put it back on our people,
00:37:54.860 --> 00:37:56.620
our people were not able to survive.
00:37:56.620 --> 00:37:57.890
And instead, they said,
00:37:57.890 --> 00:37:59.700
okay, now we're going
to do rolling blackouts.
00:37:59.700 --> 00:38:02.740
That is what our communities
are facing over here.
00:38:02.740 --> 00:38:07.740
I had a blackout just a couple
months ago, where seven days,
00:38:07.790 --> 00:38:10.250
seven days, our people
did not have power.
00:38:10.250 --> 00:38:13.960
This is inconceivable. You
guys should be protecting us.
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.370
Please, please reconsider this.
00:38:16.370 --> 00:38:19.680
You should not do this
decision. Do something else.
00:38:19.680 --> 00:38:21.820
Figure something else
out, protect our people.
00:38:21.820 --> 00:38:23.783
Protect our generations. Thank you.
00:38:26.230 --> 00:38:27.710
Thank you.
00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:29.323
Operator, next caller, please.
00:38:31.275 --> 00:38:33.230
Our next
caller is Andrew Hosely.
00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:34.080
You may go ahead.
00:38:35.770 --> 00:38:36.750
Thank you.
00:38:36.750 --> 00:38:37.870
My name is Andrew Hosely.
00:38:37.870 --> 00:38:40.810
I've been in the solar
industry for 11 years
00:38:40.810 --> 00:38:42.720
and frankly, I am dumbfounded
00:38:42.720 --> 00:38:46.010
and outraged by this
proposed net metering decision.
00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:48.590
Plain and simple,
this is going to kill jobs.
00:38:48.590 --> 00:38:52.200
I have many installing partners
that have already told me
00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:56.350
that, based on the proposed decision,
00:38:56.350 --> 00:38:57.510
they're thinking that
they're going to have
00:38:57.510 --> 00:39:00.630
to lay off a tremendous
amount of their workforce
00:39:00.630 --> 00:39:02.083
sometime in May or June.
00:39:03.240 --> 00:39:06.000
Basically, what you're doing
is you're telling homeowners
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.120
that they're not allowed to
produce their own power.
00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:12.730
This is totally counter to
what we need to be doing.
00:39:12.730 --> 00:39:16.050
And I strongly urge you
to reject this proposal.
00:39:16.050 --> 00:39:17.800
Think about this as well.
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.760
The amount of uncertainty and anxiety
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.010
that you're giving thousands
and thousands of workers
00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:23.120
right now.
00:39:23.120 --> 00:39:25.210
Is this the Christmas
present you want to give them
00:39:25.210 --> 00:39:26.810
at the end of the year?
00:39:26.810 --> 00:39:28.510
I hope not. Thank you.
00:39:30.565 --> 00:39:31.620
Thank you.
00:39:31.620 --> 00:39:33.480
Operator, next caller, please.
00:39:42.950 --> 00:39:43.833
Operator?
00:39:46.439 --> 00:39:47.820
Our next caller
is Brandon Bradford.
00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:48.670
You may go ahead.
00:39:50.580 --> 00:39:52.990
Hi, I'm equally outraged
00:39:52.990 --> 00:39:56.270
and confused by why
anyone would propose this,
00:39:56.270 --> 00:39:58.690
outside of a blatant money grab.
00:39:58.690 --> 00:40:02.590
This proposal goes against
California's energy goals.
00:40:02.590 --> 00:40:06.430
I employ about 30 guys in the field
00:40:06.430 --> 00:40:10.330
and this will slow down
incentivization for people
00:40:10.330 --> 00:40:15.330
to adopt future renewable
energy projects as well,
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:20.330
specifically, because how can
anyone trust California again
00:40:20.330 --> 00:40:22.940
to abide by previous contracts
00:40:22.940 --> 00:40:26.013
if they decide to bait
and switch on this one?
00:40:27.120 --> 00:40:31.343
So, I am fervently against
the NEM adjustments
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:35.900
and proposals, and I do not understand
00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:38.690
how CPUC could stand up for any of it.
00:40:38.690 --> 00:40:39.523
Thank you.
00:40:41.690 --> 00:40:42.523
Thank you.
00:40:43.401 --> 00:40:45.901
Operator, next caller, please.
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:54.293
Operator?
00:40:55.637 --> 00:40:57.910
Our next
caller has Ben Wistela.
00:41:00.610 --> 00:41:01.460
You may go ahead.
00:41:02.630 --> 00:41:04.822
Hi, good morning
Commissioners.
00:41:04.822 --> 00:41:07.870
I'm calling about the NEM
3.0 proposed decision.
00:41:07.870 --> 00:41:09.960
You should be ashamed
about this decision
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.580
for all the reasons
previously mentioned,
00:41:11.580 --> 00:41:12.730
and it must be rejected.
00:41:12.730 --> 00:41:15.670
Thank you.
00:41:15.670 --> 00:41:16.510
Thank you.
00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:18.010
Operator, next caller, please.
00:41:20.075 --> 00:41:21.760
Our next
caller is Troy Carter.
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:22.610
You may go ahead.
00:41:24.020 --> 00:41:24.853
Hello.
00:41:24.853 --> 00:41:28.130
I was just wondering how
PG&E would possibly justify
00:41:28.130 --> 00:41:29.730
or is justifying these rates
00:41:29.730 --> 00:41:32.430
that would bankrupt many
locally owned solar providers
00:41:32.430 --> 00:41:34.950
and cause dramatic economical crisis
00:41:34.950 --> 00:41:36.570
as hundreds, if not thousands,
00:41:36.570 --> 00:41:40.110
if not tens of thousands
of jobs would be lost
00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:42.800
while PG&E is insulated
from profit losses
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.230
by government subsidies and tax benefits
00:41:45.230 --> 00:41:48.360
that will net them
multi-billion dollar refunds
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:49.910
from all their losses.
00:41:49.910 --> 00:41:53.993
I'm just wondering how does
PG&E justify this rate change?
00:41:57.700 --> 00:41:58.533
Thank you.
00:41:58.533 --> 00:42:00.763
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:42:02.630 --> 00:42:04.660
Our next
caller is Joe Roach.
00:42:04.660 --> 00:42:05.510
You may go ahead.
00:42:07.544 --> 00:42:09.072
Yeah, hi, good morning.
00:42:09.072 --> 00:42:11.840
I'm calling in regarding
the net metering proposal,
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:13.570
right now, I've been
in the solar industry
00:42:13.570 --> 00:42:15.530
for about 12 years.
00:42:15.530 --> 00:42:17.270
Additionally, I've got,
had solar in my home
00:42:17.270 --> 00:42:19.410
since about 2014.
00:42:19.410 --> 00:42:21.700
My concerns are
really two-fold right now.
00:42:21.700 --> 00:42:22.560
You know, for years,
00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:24.780
California has been a leader
in fighting climate change.
00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:26.820
And I think it was 2005,
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:29.720
we launched the million
solar roof initiative,
00:42:29.720 --> 00:42:31.780
later, the CSI initiative.
00:42:31.780 --> 00:42:32.890
And even just recently,
00:42:32.890 --> 00:42:35.830
we passed a law that
required solar on new home,
00:42:35.830 --> 00:42:37.730
every new home that gets built has it.
00:42:38.690 --> 00:42:40.610
For years, we've fought climate change.
00:42:40.610 --> 00:42:42.740
We've had tremendous accomplishments
00:42:42.740 --> 00:42:44.700
that you mentioned in
your opening statements,
00:42:44.700 --> 00:42:48.050
but if we pass the proposed
decision on net-metering
00:42:48.050 --> 00:42:51.180
that's been proposed this week,
00:42:51.180 --> 00:42:53.861
we stand to dismantle
all of the hard work
00:42:53.861 --> 00:42:56.730
that we've been working towards.
00:42:56.730 --> 00:42:58.373
So, the second reason is
00:42:58.373 --> 00:42:59.660
actually a little bit more personal.
00:42:59.660 --> 00:43:02.030
I mean, I work in the solar industry
00:43:02.030 --> 00:43:03.790
and if this goes through,
00:43:03.790 --> 00:43:07.049
I mean, I stand to lose
my job, and that right there,
00:43:07.049 --> 00:43:08.460
it scares me.
00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:13.260
So, as a born and raised in California,
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:17.280
I hate the thought of having
to go to the State of Nevada
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.100
or the State of Texas
00:43:19.100 --> 00:43:22.400
to find work within,
(bell rings)
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:23.390
again, thank you for your time.
00:43:23.390 --> 00:43:24.613
Please do reconsider.
00:43:26.540 --> 00:43:27.373
Thank you.
00:43:28.650 --> 00:43:29.650
Next caller, please.
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.890
Our next
caller is Jeff Garrison.
00:43:33.890 --> 00:43:34.740
You may go ahead.
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:37.810
Hi, good morning,
Commissioner.
00:43:37.810 --> 00:43:40.070
My name's Jeff Garrison
in Southern California
00:43:40.070 --> 00:43:43.450
and the current NEM
3.0 proposed decision is
00:43:43.450 --> 00:43:45.570
nothing but a utility profit grab.
00:43:45.570 --> 00:43:49.550
I'm actually shocked that the
CPUC even considered this.
00:43:49.550 --> 00:43:52.300
With California's aggressive
carbon neutral goals
00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:54.280
and incredibly high gas prices,
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.110
it makes it almost
impossible for someone
00:43:56.110 --> 00:43:58.690
to buy an electric vehicle in the future
00:43:58.690 --> 00:43:59.890
and think they're going to charge it
00:43:59.890 --> 00:44:01.790
with affordable energy.
00:44:01.790 --> 00:44:05.160
Not everyone can charge their
car from 12:00 AM to 6:00 AM.
00:44:05.160 --> 00:44:07.210
Under the current NEM 2.0,
00:44:07.210 --> 00:44:09.870
customers still pay into the
public purpose programs,
00:44:09.870 --> 00:44:11.720
which subsidize the care program,
00:44:11.720 --> 00:44:15.960
which directly benefits
low income rate payers,
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.130
not to mention there's
great financing options
00:44:18.130 --> 00:44:21.710
for low income people
that would like to go solar.
00:44:21.710 --> 00:44:24.660
I really hope you guys
reconsider this decision. Thank you.
00:44:26.420 --> 00:44:27.330
Thank you.
00:44:27.330 --> 00:44:29.013
Operator, next caller, please.
00:44:30.810 --> 00:44:33.160
Our next
caller is Leif Arnold.
00:44:33.160 --> 00:44:34.010
You may go ahead.
00:44:37.390 --> 00:44:38.720
Hello, my
name is Leif Arnold
00:44:38.720 --> 00:44:39.920
from Jackson, California,
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.320
and I've been working
in the solar industry
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:43.260
for about several months now.
00:44:43.260 --> 00:44:45.100
Today I'm calling to ask the CPUC
00:44:45.100 --> 00:44:47.070
to please reject the NEM 3 proposal
00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:50.000
from PG&E and protect California solar.
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.610
This proposal will
drastically slow rooftop solar
00:44:52.610 --> 00:44:56.680
by cutting savings of up
to 88% for our customers.
00:44:56.680 --> 00:44:57.513
With this proposal,
00:44:57.513 --> 00:45:00.460
California will not reach
its climate change goals
00:45:00.460 --> 00:45:02.040
of switching to renewable energy
00:45:02.040 --> 00:45:04.140
and getting off of fossil fuels.
00:45:04.140 --> 00:45:06.117
Please help us to
protect the solar industry
00:45:06.117 --> 00:45:08.870
and the hundreds of thousands
of jobs that come with it.
00:45:08.870 --> 00:45:10.720
Thank you for your time
today and your consideration.
00:45:10.720 --> 00:45:11.553
Happy holidays.
00:45:12.900 --> 00:45:14.050
Thank you.
00:45:14.050 --> 00:45:15.613
Operator, next caller, please.
00:45:17.617 --> 00:45:19.600
Our next
caller is Michael Burns.
00:45:19.600 --> 00:45:20.450
You may go ahead.
00:45:21.930 --> 00:45:23.770
Hi, my name is Michael,
00:45:23.770 --> 00:45:25.980
and I'm representing
California Greenworks.
00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:28.880
I'd like to thank the Commission
for allowing me to speak.
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.750
California Greenworks is dedicated
00:45:31.750 --> 00:45:33.400
to improving the quality of life
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:35.290
and advocating for environmental justice
00:45:35.290 --> 00:45:36.933
in underserved communities.
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:40.110
I do want to thank the
Commission for its efforts
00:45:40.110 --> 00:45:44.840
and its attempt to reform
the rooftop solar program
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.020
for the State of California.
00:45:47.020 --> 00:45:50.080
My main concern and our
beneficiaries' concerns are
00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:52.883
the inequities to the threshold,
00:45:54.010 --> 00:45:56.430
and mostly, how the system is designed
00:45:56.430 --> 00:45:59.590
in which the underserved community
00:45:59.590 --> 00:46:02.490
and lower income and
middle income is paying
00:46:02.490 --> 00:46:05.900
a higher percentage of
the grid's maintenance
00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:08.790
than would they private owners of
00:46:08.790 --> 00:46:12.140
or higher income households.
00:46:12.140 --> 00:46:15.500
And I would ask that
you all consider this
00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:18.393
when moving forward in a
way to make it more equitable.
00:46:19.410 --> 00:46:20.243
Thank you.
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.400
Thank you.
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.023
Operator, next caller, please.
00:46:27.620 --> 00:46:30.040
Our next caller is J.R.
00:46:30.040 --> 00:46:31.023
You may go ahead.
00:46:32.020 --> 00:46:32.960
Hi there. Yeah.
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.040
My name is J.R. Rulu. I'm
here in the Central Valley.
00:46:36.040 --> 00:46:38.290
I've been in solar for seven years now.
00:46:38.290 --> 00:46:39.700
I have solar on my roof as well.
00:46:39.700 --> 00:46:43.150
And there's two parts to
this net metering that I see.
00:46:43.150 --> 00:46:45.450
There's the future growth of solar.
00:46:45.450 --> 00:46:47.810
And there's really not
much to discuss about that.
00:46:47.810 --> 00:46:50.360
This would just flat out kill
the growth of future solar,
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:51.730
and the other element,
00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:54.730
which was very surprising to
me is existing solar customers.
00:46:56.290 --> 00:46:58.330
I feel like there's not much
consideration for the fact
00:46:58.330 --> 00:47:00.550
that there are a lot of retired folks
00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:03.730
who have a 20 year
lease with a fixed payment.
00:47:03.730 --> 00:47:05.163
They're on fixed incomes,
00:47:06.290 --> 00:47:08.400
cutting back the grandfather agreement
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.450
and sticking those
people with five years
00:47:11.450 --> 00:47:14.996
of unexpected charges,
00:47:14.996 --> 00:47:17.520
it would just be flat out wrong.
00:47:17.520 --> 00:47:19.790
Number 26, page number 26
00:47:19.790 --> 00:47:23.650
on the net metering to
number 8A is where it outlines
00:47:23.650 --> 00:47:25.890
that people have 20 years.
00:47:25.890 --> 00:47:27.490
Rejecting that and
going back on something
00:47:27.490 --> 00:47:31.403
that is in writing, it blows
my mind and it's just wrong.
00:47:32.720 --> 00:47:33.553
Thank you.
00:47:35.659 --> 00:47:36.520
Thank you.
00:47:36.520 --> 00:47:38.233
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:47:40.690 --> 00:47:43.970
And our next
caller is Esperanza Vielma.
00:47:43.970 --> 00:47:44.820
You may go ahead.
00:47:46.500 --> 00:47:47.830
Good
morning, Commissioners.
00:47:47.830 --> 00:47:49.850
My name is Esperanza Vielma.
00:47:49.850 --> 00:47:52.960
I'm here from Stockton,
representing EJCW
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.590
as the executive director and co-founder
00:47:55.590 --> 00:47:58.700
of the Coalition for Environmental
Equity and Economics.
00:47:58.700 --> 00:48:01.160
We only represent EJ communities
00:48:01.160 --> 00:48:03.210
and organizations Statewide.
00:48:03.210 --> 00:48:07.150
We urge you to move equitable
solar forward for California.
00:48:07.150 --> 00:48:10.230
Do not simply state
equity and inclusion.
00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:11.610
Act on these words.
00:48:11.610 --> 00:48:14.650
Do include us, the EJ community.
00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:16.410
Truly seek us out for input
00:48:16.410 --> 00:48:20.560
to create equitable
solar for all of California.
00:48:20.560 --> 00:48:22.140
Choose California.
00:48:22.140 --> 00:48:25.870
Choose democracy over energy monopoly
00:48:25.870 --> 00:48:30.200
for a clean, renewable
energy in California.
00:48:30.200 --> 00:48:31.793
Again, thank you for your time.
00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:34.433
Thank you.
00:48:34.433 --> 00:48:36.303
Operator, our next caller please.
00:48:44.233 --> 00:48:46.970
And our next
caller is Jenelle Vidal.
00:48:46.970 --> 00:48:48.432
You may go ahead.
00:48:48.432 --> 00:48:51.231
(static buzzes)
00:48:51.231 --> 00:48:52.911
Hello, my
name is Jenelle Vidal
00:48:52.911 --> 00:48:57.244
and I am here for the (indistinct).
00:49:01.901 --> 00:49:05.295
The Coalition for Environmental
Equity and Economics
00:49:05.295 --> 00:49:08.795
(indistinct) communities,
00:49:10.757 --> 00:49:13.227
for example, even with
the proposed subsidies,
00:49:13.227 --> 00:49:16.417
only the PG&E customers
could solar replace things
00:49:16.417 --> 00:49:20.695
(indistinct) to electricity
under this proposed,
00:49:20.695 --> 00:49:22.576
not to mention the millions
of working class people
00:49:22.576 --> 00:49:25.188
who (indistinct).
00:49:25.188 --> 00:49:26.999
Where is the economic justice in that?
00:49:26.999 --> 00:49:27.832
Thank you.
00:49:29.365 --> 00:49:31.620
Thank you, caller, we
could barely hear you.
00:49:31.620 --> 00:49:33.780
Thank you for the call.
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:35.793
Operator, please, next caller.
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:42.850
Our next
caller is Kevin Young.
00:49:42.850 --> 00:49:43.700
You may go ahead.
00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:46.880
Yes. Thank
you, Commissioners.
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.200
The proposed decision does
nothing but empower the utilities
00:49:50.200 --> 00:49:52.440
to profit from rooftop solar,
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.430
or discourage people
going solar altogether.
00:49:55.430 --> 00:49:58.930
It also makes it impossible
for energy storage
00:49:58.930 --> 00:50:03.300
to be implemented with
these massive solar taxes.
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:06.370
California's aggressive
carbon neutral goals
00:50:06.370 --> 00:50:09.070
and incredibly high gas prices,
00:50:09.070 --> 00:50:12.100
this discourages electric vehicles
00:50:12.100 --> 00:50:15.060
and adoption since electric
vehicles only make sense
00:50:15.060 --> 00:50:18.100
if you have the cost-effective
energy to charge them
00:50:18.100 --> 00:50:21.703
and not everyone can charge
their cars between 12 to 6.
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:26.010
Current NEM 2.0 solar
customers still paying
00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:27.853
to the public purpose programs,
00:50:28.750 --> 00:50:32.670
subsidizing the care
program for cheaper electricity,
00:50:32.670 --> 00:50:36.070
and non-solar, low income households,
00:50:36.070 --> 00:50:38.650
and there are plenty of
current financing options
00:50:38.650 --> 00:50:41.860
for low income residents
to benefit from solar.
00:50:41.860 --> 00:50:43.520
Even apartments are going solar
00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:47.330
to lower the cost of
electricity for their residents.
00:50:47.330 --> 00:50:51.920
I highly suggest that
you vote this down.
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.316
This is terrible for our
industry. (bell rings)
00:50:55.316 --> 00:50:56.149
Thank you.
00:50:58.427 --> 00:50:59.710
Thank you.
00:50:59.710 --> 00:51:01.210
Operator, next caller, please.
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.490
Our next
caller is Gary Gerber.
00:51:04.490 --> 00:51:05.340
You may go ahead.
00:51:07.348 --> 00:51:10.310
Hi, I'm founder and
CEO of Sun Light and Power.
00:51:10.310 --> 00:51:11.810
I believe my 45 years
00:51:11.810 --> 00:51:14.330
of experience running a
solar company qualifies me
00:51:14.330 --> 00:51:17.000
as an expert in solar contracting.
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:18.530
So, I have to know how much it costs
00:51:18.530 --> 00:51:21.860
to install residential solar
PD system in California,
00:51:21.860 --> 00:51:26.270
and I do, and it is not
$2 and 58 cents a watt,
00:51:26.270 --> 00:51:28.210
which is the ridiculously low number
00:51:28.210 --> 00:51:32.580
that the NEM 3 PD proposes
in its payback analysis.
00:51:32.580 --> 00:51:35.660
That number is around $2 a watt too low,
00:51:35.660 --> 00:51:37.470
not only according to
me, but also according
00:51:37.470 --> 00:51:40.528
to the state's own
official solar stats website,
00:51:40.528 --> 00:51:43.403
californiadgstats.ca.gov.
00:51:44.810 --> 00:51:47.020
You all should take a look at that site.
00:51:47.020 --> 00:51:48.240
If you don't fix that number,
00:51:48.240 --> 00:51:50.090
it will have a devastating impact
00:51:50.090 --> 00:51:51.700
on every solar business in California,
00:51:51.700 --> 00:51:54.870
because $2.58 a watt
will give a completely false,
00:51:54.870 --> 00:51:58.590
low result in the NEM
3 payback analysis,
00:51:58.590 --> 00:52:01.140
making NEM 3 appear
to be far less harmful
00:52:01.140 --> 00:52:02.610
than it actually is.
00:52:02.610 --> 00:52:05.320
Getting that one number
wrong, so very wrong,
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.810
will crash the solar
market in California.
00:52:07.810 --> 00:52:08.643
Thank you.
00:52:10.370 --> 00:52:11.607
Thank you.
00:52:11.607 --> 00:52:14.123
Operator, next caller, please.
00:52:15.176 --> 00:52:18.000
Our next
caller is Oscar Cisco.
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:18.850
You may go ahead.
00:52:21.770 --> 00:52:23.950
Hello, Commission.
My name is Oscar Cisco.
00:52:23.950 --> 00:52:26.150
I work for the Council
of Mexican Federations
00:52:26.150 --> 00:52:29.550
and we promote
environmental justice and equity,
00:52:29.550 --> 00:52:32.760
which it become, it
came as a shock to us
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.510
when the Commission proposed
a new net metering proposal
00:52:37.510 --> 00:52:39.900
that really rolls back solar,
00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:43.300
the progress of solar
growth in California.
00:52:43.300 --> 00:52:45.510
Only wealthy Californians will be able
00:52:45.510 --> 00:52:47.520
to afford solar energy
00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:51.190
and the low-income and
the middle-class will suffer.
00:52:51.190 --> 00:52:54.720
And we won't be able
to reach our solar goals
00:52:54.720 --> 00:52:56.900
because of this proposal.
00:52:56.900 --> 00:53:00.850
PG&E customers will
pay about $25 to $50 more
00:53:00.850 --> 00:53:04.210
for electricity under this
proposal than currently,
00:53:04.210 --> 00:53:06.330
not to mention the millions
of working class people
00:53:06.330 --> 00:53:09.460
who won't meet the
qualifications for the subsidy.
00:53:09.460 --> 00:53:13.180
Where is the economic
justice in that, Commission?
00:53:13.180 --> 00:53:14.013
Thank you.
00:53:16.140 --> 00:53:16.973
Thank you.
00:53:16.973 --> 00:53:18.423
Operator, next caller, please.
00:53:20.170 --> 00:53:22.410
Our next
caller is Austin Vokinga.
00:53:22.410 --> 00:53:23.263
You may go ahead.
00:53:24.990 --> 00:53:26.300
Hi, there.
Thank you, CPUC.
00:53:26.300 --> 00:53:27.790
Hopefully everybody's
having a great morning.
00:53:27.790 --> 00:53:29.210
It is a beautiful California day
00:53:29.210 --> 00:53:31.320
and the sun is out
producing solar energy.
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.520
I moved here about four years ago
00:53:33.520 --> 00:53:36.900
for the solar energy
business from Idaho.
00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:41.123
My U-haul was $50 from
Southern Idaho to California.
00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:48.920
The bureaucracy that's
entailed with California.
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:50.970
I want to thank you guys
and share gratefulness
00:53:50.970 --> 00:53:52.480
for the decisions
you've made in the past
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.140
and the support of the solar
industry you guys have made.
00:53:55.140 --> 00:53:58.570
And I want to anticipate
more gratefulness
00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:03.220
when you guys shoot
down this proposed bill
00:54:03.220 --> 00:54:06.110
and continue to support California,
00:54:06.110 --> 00:54:09.600
obviously going back and
with the clean car mandates
00:54:09.600 --> 00:54:10.433
that are coming out,
00:54:10.433 --> 00:54:12.854
it seems like you're either
going to support rate payers
00:54:12.854 --> 00:54:15.960
and continue to have
more jobs, more money,
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.900
more people building their
homes and their families here,
00:54:17.900 --> 00:54:20.260
supporting the community,
hiring people and,
00:54:20.260 --> 00:54:24.337
or you can support the
big players in the industry
00:54:24.337 --> 00:54:25.510
and the utility companies.
00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:27.530
I really hope and implore you guys
00:54:27.530 --> 00:54:29.720
to make the right decision and I trust
00:54:29.720 --> 00:54:30.597
that you guys will.
(bell rings)
00:54:30.597 --> 00:54:32.800
California's the best
solar state in the country.
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:33.633
Thank you.
00:54:34.705 --> 00:54:35.886
Thank you.
00:54:35.886 --> 00:54:39.092
Operator, next caller, please.
00:54:39.092 --> 00:54:41.314
Our next
caller is Ambrose Carroll.
00:54:41.314 --> 00:54:42.731
You may go ahead.
00:54:43.784 --> 00:54:45.334
Yeah, good day.
00:54:45.334 --> 00:54:47.934
This is Reverend Dr. Ambrose Carroll.
00:54:47.934 --> 00:54:49.864
I serve as the senior
pastor of the church
00:54:49.864 --> 00:54:52.279
by the side of the road in Berkeley
00:54:52.279 --> 00:54:54.964
and founder of the National
Green Church Campaign.
00:54:54.964 --> 00:54:58.885
I speak today in my role
as co-founder of CEEE,
00:54:58.885 --> 00:54:59.718
which stands for
00:54:59.718 --> 00:55:03.204
the Coalition for the Environmental
Equity and Economics,
00:55:03.204 --> 00:55:05.828
along with Ms. Esperanza Vielma
00:55:05.828 --> 00:55:07.942
of Environmental Justice for Water.
00:55:07.942 --> 00:55:09.604
I want to state for the
record today that I believe
00:55:09.604 --> 00:55:13.854
that your proposed decision
perpetuates systematic racism
00:55:13.854 --> 00:55:16.292
by taking away opportunities for solar
00:55:16.292 --> 00:55:18.299
from marginalized communities of color,
00:55:18.299 --> 00:55:21.454
right when it is being,
becoming affordable to all.
00:55:21.454 --> 00:55:24.271
The NEM 3.0 proposal rolls back a policy
00:55:24.271 --> 00:55:27.501
that made the technology
available in the first place.
00:55:27.501 --> 00:55:30.613
This decision is the same
spirit that created red lining
00:55:30.613 --> 00:55:33.515
in the '40s, the war
on drugs in the '80s,
00:55:33.515 --> 00:55:36.304
and the gentrification
at the turn of the century.
00:55:36.304 --> 00:55:38.316
It is not for the good of the Republic
00:55:38.316 --> 00:55:41.093
to allow governmental
supported monopoly,
00:55:41.093 --> 00:55:44.672
for the sake of the few, to
the consternation of the many.
00:55:44.672 --> 00:55:45.505
Thank you.
00:55:50.355 --> 00:55:51.368
Thank you.
00:55:51.368 --> 00:55:53.947
Operator, next caller, please.
00:55:53.947 --> 00:55:56.890
Our next caller
is Michael Turnipseed.
00:55:56.890 --> 00:55:57.740
You may go ahead.
00:55:59.050 --> 00:56:00.690
Yes. I'm
Michael Turnipseed.
00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:04.220
I represent the Kern County
Taxpayers Association
00:56:04.220 --> 00:56:07.070
and I do have solar panels on my house
00:56:07.070 --> 00:56:09.560
and I do pay the net metering charge,
00:56:09.560 --> 00:56:11.780
but we have to address the fact
00:56:11.780 --> 00:56:14.610
that the net metering
charge does not pay
00:56:14.610 --> 00:56:18.740
the expenses behind
to allow the utilities
00:56:18.740 --> 00:56:23.165
to have the wires, the
poles to provide insurance.
00:56:23.165 --> 00:56:25.510
The last few days we
had extremely foggy days
00:56:25.510 --> 00:56:26.780
in Kern County.
00:56:26.780 --> 00:56:31.430
My solar production is
dropped by 80% on foggy days.
00:56:31.430 --> 00:56:35.760
I need the insurance that
even batteries can't provide
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.870
by having lines and a reliable system.
00:56:38.870 --> 00:56:41.060
And if you're not paying for the meter,
00:56:41.060 --> 00:56:44.200
you don't want the insurance,
then take the meter out.
00:56:44.200 --> 00:56:48.430
But the meter does have a
cost to you and a benefit to you
00:56:48.430 --> 00:56:50.020
as users of solar.
00:56:50.020 --> 00:56:52.120
So, I think that's something
that must be considered.
00:56:52.120 --> 00:56:55.230
I support what's going on
Monday with the Commission.
00:56:55.230 --> 00:56:56.063
Thank you.
00:56:57.890 --> 00:56:59.210
Thank you.
00:56:59.210 --> 00:57:00.833
Operator, next caller, please.
00:57:02.700 --> 00:57:04.800
Our next
caller is Sarah Wiltfong.
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:05.650
You may go ahead.
00:57:08.570 --> 00:57:09.403
Good morning.
00:57:09.403 --> 00:57:11.080
My name is Sarah Wiltfong
and I'm calling on behalf
00:57:11.080 --> 00:57:12.760
of the Los Angeles County
Business Federation,
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:13.687
also known as BizFed.
00:57:13.687 --> 00:57:16.000
We represent over 400,000 employers,
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.220
and three and a half million employees
00:57:17.220 --> 00:57:18.310
throughout Los Angeles County
00:57:18.310 --> 00:57:19.990
and are proud to advocate for policies
00:57:19.990 --> 00:57:21.970
that strengthen our regional economy.
00:57:21.970 --> 00:57:23.350
First, I want to thank Marybel Batjer
00:57:23.350 --> 00:57:25.570
for her incredible service to the CPUC.
00:57:25.570 --> 00:57:27.220
Your contributions have been invaluable,
00:57:27.220 --> 00:57:29.830
and we wish you the best
of luck moving forward.
00:57:29.830 --> 00:57:31.710
LA BizFed recently
voted to join a coalition
00:57:31.710 --> 00:57:33.780
of more than 100 diverse organizations
00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:34.970
who are advocating in favor
00:57:34.970 --> 00:57:38.040
of reform to the state's
rooftop solar program,
00:57:38.040 --> 00:57:39.690
the coalition called affordable energy,
00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:40.760
clean energy for all,
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.640
includes not only
business organizations,
00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:44.650
but those representing
the interests of seniors,
00:57:44.650 --> 00:57:47.770
low-income, environmental,
labor, and community groups.
00:57:47.770 --> 00:57:48.860
Separate from our coalition,
00:57:48.860 --> 00:57:50.950
there are several
environmental organizations,
00:57:50.950 --> 00:57:53.220
including the NRDC and TURN,
00:57:53.220 --> 00:57:55.967
who recognized that it is
possible to reform this program
00:57:55.967 --> 00:57:59.229
and continue to grow
rooftop solar in California.
00:57:59.229 --> 00:58:01.100
BizFed supports an
all the above approach
00:58:01.100 --> 00:58:03.260
to our energy needs in order
to make energy affordable
00:58:03.260 --> 00:58:04.930
and equitable for all.
00:58:04.930 --> 00:58:07.760
And we hope that the CPUC
will consider meaningful reforms
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:09.070
to net energy metering.
00:58:09.070 --> 00:58:09.903
Thank you.
00:58:12.210 --> 00:58:13.840
Thank you.
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:15.623
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:20.250
Our next
caller is Andrew Kiones.
00:58:20.250 --> 00:58:21.100
You may go ahead.
00:58:26.640 --> 00:58:28.570
Again, Andrew Kiones, your line is open.
00:58:28.570 --> 00:58:30.070
Please check your mute button.
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:36.193
Andrew, are you there?
00:58:37.910 --> 00:58:39.830
We cannot hear you.
00:58:39.830 --> 00:58:42.823
We'll have to move on if
you cannot come online.
00:58:45.990 --> 00:58:48.440
Okay, Operator. I'm sorry,
we'll have to move on.
00:58:49.530 --> 00:58:51.970
And our next
caller is Valerie Moralez.
00:58:51.970 --> 00:58:52.820
You may go ahead.
00:58:54.120 --> 00:58:54.953
Hello. Good morning.
00:58:54.953 --> 00:58:57.830
My name is Valerie Moralez
and I'm an IBEW member.
00:58:57.830 --> 00:58:59.830
I'm calling in support
of the proposed decision
00:58:59.830 --> 00:59:01.330
on net metering,
00:59:01.330 --> 00:59:03.900
as a proposed decision
will also help California
00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:05.170
reach its climate goals
00:59:05.170 --> 00:59:07.660
by making electricity more affordable.
00:59:07.660 --> 00:59:08.493
Thank you.
00:59:10.610 --> 00:59:12.000
Thank you.
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:13.880
Operator, next caller, please.
00:59:15.450 --> 00:59:17.240
Our next
caller is Guy Spalding.
00:59:17.240 --> 00:59:18.090
You may go ahead.
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:20.980
Yes, this Guy Spalding.
00:59:20.980 --> 00:59:25.120
I'm calling as a homeowner
in Northern California.
00:59:25.120 --> 00:59:28.442
I've been having solar on my home,
00:59:28.442 --> 00:59:33.340
I've been pro energy for,
in the State of California,
00:59:33.340 --> 00:59:36.280
supporting the government
and the push in California
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:40.203
to be pro energy, I'm
surprised that the CPUC is,
00:59:41.250 --> 00:59:44.990
it's fighting this and
is offering this NEM 3,
00:59:44.990 --> 00:59:46.810
which I am opposed to.
00:59:46.810 --> 00:59:50.110
I think that is a direct conflict
of what the government
00:59:50.110 --> 00:59:52.650
and what we're trying
to push for in California.
00:59:52.650 --> 00:59:54.850
It's going to put a lot of
people out of business.
00:59:54.850 --> 00:59:57.850
I am in the solar industry. I
worked for a solar company.
00:59:57.850 --> 00:59:59.660
I have for many years.
00:59:59.660 --> 01:00:02.060
I can see the value that the homeowners,
01:00:02.060 --> 01:00:04.850
the offering alternative energy,
01:00:04.850 --> 01:00:08.770
opposed to lining the pockets
of the utility companies,
01:00:08.770 --> 01:00:12.830
which I think can CPUC
is supporting them more so
01:00:12.830 --> 01:00:16.350
than should be taking care of
the people in the communities
01:00:16.350 --> 01:00:20.040
and offering them an opportunity
to get lower energy costs
01:00:20.040 --> 01:00:22.300
through clean energy.
01:00:22.300 --> 01:00:23.133
Thank you.
01:00:25.410 --> 01:00:26.243
Thank you.
01:00:26.243 --> 01:00:27.873
Operator, next caller, please.
01:00:30.310 --> 01:00:32.510
Our next
caller is Mark Belmonte.
01:00:32.510 --> 01:00:33.513
You may go ahead.
01:00:35.181 --> 01:00:37.014
Good morning.
01:00:38.253 --> 01:00:39.193
Good morning.
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:42.897
Hello. Can you hear me?
01:00:42.897 --> 01:00:45.740
We can now. You
cut out at the beginning.
01:00:45.740 --> 01:00:47.253
So please go ahead now.
01:00:48.450 --> 01:00:49.860
My name is Mark Belmonte.
01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:52.610
I've lived here in
California for 57 years.
01:00:52.610 --> 01:00:54.850
I love this state and
I love this country.
01:00:54.850 --> 01:00:56.270
I don't want to leave.
01:00:56.270 --> 01:00:59.510
I operate as an advocate for the people.
01:00:59.510 --> 01:01:03.390
We have seen many suspicious
and questionable activities
01:01:03.390 --> 01:01:04.810
in this last year
01:01:04.810 --> 01:01:06.770
and it's time for the
people to have a win.
01:01:06.770 --> 01:01:08.760
We've taken loss after loss.
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.230
And I ask, how is it that you're able
01:01:11.230 --> 01:01:15.420
to propose such legislation
and to allow it, to advance it?
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:18.030
When we see the people are losing money,
01:01:18.030 --> 01:01:22.090
they're leaving California,
and this is not an easy thing.
01:01:22.090 --> 01:01:24.540
And so, we see the advancement
01:01:24.540 --> 01:01:27.900
of three investment owned utilities
01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:32.050
at the cost of every energy rate payer,
01:01:32.050 --> 01:01:34.060
for all of us, the
traditional consumers,
01:01:34.060 --> 01:01:35.400
our rates are going higher.
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.580
The people that have
gone solar had done so
01:01:37.580 --> 01:01:41.977
to avoid the unfair pricing
that they see being propagated
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:43.967
by the utility companies.
01:01:43.967 --> 01:01:45.810
And so, we see this money grab,
01:01:45.810 --> 01:01:48.800
as it's been referred to earlier,
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:50.440
we see people that are suffering
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.110
and that are really struggling
01:01:52.110 --> 01:01:53.535
and the last thing they need
01:01:53.535 --> 01:01:54.720
is another way
(bell rings)
01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:56.090
to take the money out of their pockets.
01:01:56.090 --> 01:01:58.660
And so, I have to ask you to revert back
01:01:58.660 --> 01:02:00.060
to your mission statement,
Mark, Mark,
01:02:00.060 --> 01:02:00.893
Your time is up.
To go back
01:02:00.893 --> 01:02:02.210
to where you started from.
Mark.
01:02:02.210 --> 01:02:04.010
Your time is up.
01:02:04.010 --> 01:02:05.160
Thank you.
01:02:05.160 --> 01:02:06.610
Operator, we need to move on.
01:02:08.203 --> 01:02:10.160
Our next
caller is Julian Canete.
01:02:10.160 --> 01:02:11.010
You may go ahead.
01:02:13.370 --> 01:02:14.429
Thank you, operator.
01:02:14.429 --> 01:02:18.520
And thank you, President
Batjer for your service
01:02:18.520 --> 01:02:21.710
and to your fellow Commissioners
for their service as well.
01:02:21.710 --> 01:02:22.543
Good morning.
01:02:22.543 --> 01:02:23.887
My name is Julian
Canete, president and CEO
01:02:23.887 --> 01:02:27.130
of the California Hispanic
Chambers of Commerce.
01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:28.550
I'm here today to speak
about the importance
01:02:28.550 --> 01:02:30.830
of reforming the state's
rooftop solar program,
01:02:30.830 --> 01:02:32.590
net energy metering.
01:02:32.590 --> 01:02:34.190
We are proud to represent,
01:02:34.190 --> 01:02:36.417
along with our 120 chamber members,
01:02:36.417 --> 01:02:39.520
800,000 Hispanic business
owners throughout California.
01:02:39.520 --> 01:02:41.840
And we agree with the
Commission's findings,
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:44.660
shared in its recently
released proposed decision,
01:02:44.660 --> 01:02:47.220
that the current NEM rate structure
01:02:47.220 --> 01:02:50.080
negatively impacts
non-participating customers.
01:02:50.080 --> 01:02:52.730
It is not cost effective,
not a cost effective
01:02:52.730 --> 01:02:56.470
and disproportionately
harms low-income customers.
01:02:56.470 --> 01:02:59.010
The breadth of the objective
analysis accumulated
01:02:59.010 --> 01:03:02.480
by the CPUC is impressive
and leaves little question
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.110
that changes must be made
to reign in excessive subsidies
01:03:06.110 --> 01:03:08.230
and stop the unfair cost share.
01:03:08.230 --> 01:03:10.010
Many small businesses
are still struggling
01:03:10.010 --> 01:03:12.530
to make ends meet, and
it makes no sense for them
01:03:12.530 --> 01:03:14.780
to be paying higher electricity bills
01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:16.350
when there are more affordable ways
01:03:16.350 --> 01:03:18.750
to achieve the state's
clean energy objectives.
01:03:18.750 --> 01:03:20.583
Thank you, and thank you for your time.
01:03:21.770 --> 01:03:23.320
Thank you for your call.
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:24.963
Operator, next caller, please.
01:03:28.030 --> 01:03:29.830
Our next
caller is from Marcella.
01:03:29.830 --> 01:03:30.680
You may go ahead.
01:03:33.890 --> 01:03:35.493
Hello? Can you hear me?
01:03:38.690 --> 01:03:39.840
Hello?
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:41.653
Yes. Marcella, please go ahead.
01:03:42.570 --> 01:03:44.040
Hi, my name's Marcella.
01:03:44.040 --> 01:03:47.890
I am, I live in Livermore
and I worked for SunPower,
01:03:47.890 --> 01:03:50.790
but I come to this meeting
not only as a person with a job
01:03:50.790 --> 01:03:53.050
in solar, but also as
an environmentalist,
01:03:53.050 --> 01:03:54.430
who's highly concerned
01:03:54.430 --> 01:03:57.730
about these dangerous
weather events we're having.
01:03:57.730 --> 01:03:59.220
In addition to that, CPUC,
01:03:59.220 --> 01:04:01.310
I urge you to reject this bad proposal
01:04:01.310 --> 01:04:03.970
regarding net energy
metering for rooftop solar.
01:04:03.970 --> 01:04:06.630
It adds such burdensome
fees to rooftop solar,
01:04:06.630 --> 01:04:08.890
people like my father,
who is on a fixed income
01:04:08.890 --> 01:04:11.950
and is just now considering
going solar will not be able
01:04:11.950 --> 01:04:13.400
to afford it anymore.
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.600
I'm sure this is the
case for many families.
01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:18.410
At a time when power
outages have become the norm,
01:04:18.410 --> 01:04:21.310
rooftop solar paired with
storage are the only respite
01:04:21.310 --> 01:04:24.420
the people you represent
have from a failing grid.
01:04:24.420 --> 01:04:27.370
Measures like this will
make rooftop solar impossible
01:04:27.370 --> 01:04:28.410
for some people.
01:04:28.410 --> 01:04:30.900
I cannot fathom why this
Commission would even consider
01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:33.370
something that hurts so many.
01:04:33.370 --> 01:04:34.203
Thank you.
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:36.793
Thank you.
01:04:36.793 --> 01:04:38.293
Operator, next caller, please.
01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:41.690
Our next
caller is Nick Torevant.
01:04:41.690 --> 01:04:42.540
You may go ahead.
01:04:45.230 --> 01:04:47.310
Hello Commissioners.
My name is Nick Torevant.
01:04:47.310 --> 01:04:50.460
I work for one of the
largest solar companies
01:04:50.460 --> 01:04:53.580
in our country, based
right here in California.
01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:56.040
I've made my living for almost a decade
01:04:56.040 --> 01:04:59.090
under fair residential solar NEM rules.
01:04:59.090 --> 01:05:00.587
And now I feel that my career
01:05:00.587 --> 01:05:04.003
and the career of thousands
is directly under attack.
01:05:05.270 --> 01:05:06.930
You know, we, in the solar industry,
01:05:06.930 --> 01:05:10.930
we've been accustomed to
the ups and downs of solar.
01:05:10.930 --> 01:05:13.740
Many times jokingly
calling it the solar coaster.
01:05:13.740 --> 01:05:15.250
This proposal, as it stands today,
01:05:15.250 --> 01:05:16.803
represents the end of the line.
01:05:18.560 --> 01:05:21.000
We urge you, collectively,
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.950
please reject the NEM 3.0
proposal as it stands today.
01:05:25.950 --> 01:05:27.220
Imposing fixed charges
01:05:27.220 --> 01:05:29.470
at this level represents
a direct assault
01:05:29.470 --> 01:05:32.993
on the solar customers today
and forever moving forward.
01:05:34.020 --> 01:05:38.250
You know, we're not here
to ask you for a handout.
01:05:38.250 --> 01:05:41.040
We're just begging you to
listen and really hear the people
01:05:41.040 --> 01:05:42.790
and the concerns
they have for their jobs
01:05:42.790 --> 01:05:44.100
that are going to be affected,
01:05:44.100 --> 01:05:45.640
our industry as a whole,
01:05:45.640 --> 01:05:48.320
and our customers here in California.
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.050
I know firsthand by being
in the home with customers,
01:05:51.050 --> 01:05:52.412
we made promises to customers
01:05:52.412 --> 01:05:54.130
that they were going
to be grandfathered in
01:05:54.130 --> 01:05:58.310
to favorable NEM 2.0 standards,
01:05:58.310 --> 01:05:59.881
taking that away
(bell rings)
01:05:59.881 --> 01:06:01.680
in the face of what's going on today is
01:06:01.680 --> 01:06:03.930
like me lying to my
customers face to face.
01:06:03.930 --> 01:06:07.543
I please urge you to
reconsider this proposal.
01:06:09.720 --> 01:06:10.553
Thank you.
01:06:10.553 --> 01:06:12.053
Operator, next caller, please.
01:06:13.762 --> 01:06:15.810
Our next
caller is Martin Hurtsfeld.
01:06:15.810 --> 01:06:16.660
You may go ahead.
01:06:18.230 --> 01:06:20.280
Yeah, thank
you so very much.
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:22.720
Thank you for allowing
me to speak today.
01:06:22.720 --> 01:06:26.850
Folks like me who are working
class people would be impacted
01:06:26.850 --> 01:06:30.410
by this proposed decision
for net energy metering.
01:06:30.410 --> 01:06:34.700
I'm thinking about hundreds
of dollars in the future
01:06:34.700 --> 01:06:36.950
as a result of this decision.
01:06:36.950 --> 01:06:41.510
And again, it's this ongoing
cost, which is a problem.
01:06:41.510 --> 01:06:44.810
For instance, as voltage
has become elevated
01:06:44.810 --> 01:06:48.230
and the distribution
equipment is being removed
01:06:48.230 --> 01:06:51.050
from the network,
such as capacitor banks,
01:06:51.050 --> 01:06:54.853
or for example, there
may be adjustments in the,
01:06:56.060 --> 01:06:57.630
at the substation.
01:06:57.630 --> 01:07:02.020
Those are one-time charges
or adjustments at the regulator,
01:07:02.020 --> 01:07:04.090
one time charges.
01:07:04.090 --> 01:07:08.910
This proposal is, it has no sense
01:07:08.910 --> 01:07:12.730
as far as trying to figure
out what those true costs are.
01:07:12.730 --> 01:07:15.590
So, I'm against this decision.
01:07:15.590 --> 01:07:16.830
I hope that you've listened
01:07:16.830 --> 01:07:18.570
to a lot of the folks here today.
01:07:18.570 --> 01:07:22.333
It's going to hurt working class people.
01:07:25.720 --> 01:07:27.030
Thank you for the call.
01:07:27.030 --> 01:07:28.613
Operator, next caller, please.
01:07:30.882 --> 01:07:33.267
Our next caller
is Lawrence Hundley.
01:07:33.267 --> 01:07:34.433
You may go ahead.
01:07:36.130 --> 01:07:38.230
Hi, good morning.
My name is Lawrence Hundley.
01:07:38.230 --> 01:07:40.980
I'm an African American
solar contractor,
01:07:40.980 --> 01:07:42.913
a SunPower dealer installer.
01:07:42.913 --> 01:07:44.490
NEM 3.0 should be rejected
01:07:44.490 --> 01:07:47.510
because it will negatively
affect every income earner
01:07:47.510 --> 01:07:50.600
in California, my employees most of all.
01:07:50.600 --> 01:07:52.420
Our economy is the
fifth largest in the world
01:07:52.420 --> 01:07:54.217
and leads the world in renewable energy.
01:07:54.217 --> 01:07:56.230
But this proposal will end that.
01:07:56.230 --> 01:07:58.710
Our marketplace rewards
those who anticipate change
01:07:58.710 --> 01:07:59.620
and choose wisely,
01:07:59.620 --> 01:08:02.793
and penalizes those who
resist changing too foolishly.
01:08:03.630 --> 01:08:05.390
None of my customers are rich.
01:08:05.390 --> 01:08:08.280
They don't have deep pockets
or live in gated communities.
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:10.120
They sacrificed to choose solar.
01:08:10.120 --> 01:08:12.210
They're middle-class Americans
who continue to work hard
01:08:12.210 --> 01:08:14.460
and succeed and
provide for their families.
01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:15.640
Changing the NEM program
01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:18.370
after the fact by requiring
solar energies owners
01:08:18.370 --> 01:08:21.330
to pay for the unwise
decisions of others
01:08:21.330 --> 01:08:23.620
does not guarantee the
smarter choices will be made
01:08:23.620 --> 01:08:25.890
by the present, in
the present or future.
01:08:25.890 --> 01:08:27.760
This Commission represents the public.
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.740
That's all of us, every single one.
01:08:30.740 --> 01:08:31.900
By rejecting this proposal,
01:08:31.900 --> 01:08:35.660
you recognize your mission
by not rewarding a select few
01:08:35.660 --> 01:08:37.160
who need it the least.
01:08:37.160 --> 01:08:37.993
Thank you.
01:08:40.731 --> 01:08:41.564
Thank you.
01:08:41.564 --> 01:08:43.413
Operator, next caller, please.
01:08:51.287 --> 01:08:53.890
And our next
caller is Danielle Bonds.
01:08:53.890 --> 01:08:54.740
You may go ahead.
01:08:57.630 --> 01:08:58.530
Hello. Good morning.
01:08:58.530 --> 01:08:59.980
My name is Danielle Bonds
01:08:59.980 --> 01:09:02.950
and I'm an IDW member who has solar.
01:09:02.950 --> 01:09:05.630
I'm calling to support
the proposed decision
01:09:05.630 --> 01:09:07.130
on net metering.
01:09:07.130 --> 01:09:10.320
Net metering, net energy
metering has caused
01:09:10.320 --> 01:09:12.210
a huge wealth transfer
01:09:12.210 --> 01:09:14.460
from those who can't
afford rooftop solar
01:09:14.460 --> 01:09:15.710
to those who can.
01:09:15.710 --> 01:09:17.163
Thank you. Have a great day.
01:09:18.130 --> 01:09:19.830
Thank you for your call.
01:09:19.830 --> 01:09:21.803
Operator, next caller, please.
01:09:24.470 --> 01:09:26.340
And our next
caller is Jeremy Reed.
01:09:26.340 --> 01:09:27.190
You may go ahead.
01:09:29.290 --> 01:09:31.620
Yes, President Batjer,
01:09:31.620 --> 01:09:33.540
and other Board
members of this committee,
01:09:33.540 --> 01:09:38.140
I am opposed to the NEM 3
proposal that CPUC has put forth.
01:09:38.140 --> 01:09:41.230
I am part owner of a
solar construction company
01:09:41.230 --> 01:09:43.070
and the new proposal
will, most certainly,
01:09:43.070 --> 01:09:46.660
make my company not
viable to operate in California.
01:09:46.660 --> 01:09:49.713
We will be forced to
lay off 24 employees.
01:09:50.890 --> 01:09:54.070
Please consider the
effects on small businesses
01:09:54.070 --> 01:09:55.750
when you're making this decision.
01:09:55.750 --> 01:10:00.710
There are 2,226 solar
companies in California,
01:10:00.710 --> 01:10:01.840
and I can guarantee you
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.840
that many of these small
businesses will be driven
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:05.673
from the state.
01:10:06.950 --> 01:10:10.563
Who will you stand with,
PG&E or small businesses?
01:10:11.430 --> 01:10:15.900
Each and every one of
you have a responsibility
01:10:15.900 --> 01:10:18.653
to stand up for us as Californians.
01:10:19.860 --> 01:10:22.080
What do you want your legacy to be?
01:10:22.080 --> 01:10:22.913
Thank you.
01:10:28.510 --> 01:10:30.163
Operator, next caller, please.
01:10:32.100 --> 01:10:34.630
Our next
caller is Vira Goychavick.
01:10:34.630 --> 01:10:35.480
You may go ahead.
01:10:41.330 --> 01:10:43.120
Again, Vira Goychavick
your line is open.
01:10:43.120 --> 01:10:44.620
Please check your mute button.
01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:49.450
Hi, can you hear me?
01:10:49.450 --> 01:10:51.493
Barely. Could you
speak up a little bit?
01:10:51.493 --> 01:10:53.450
Speak directly into your mic?
01:10:55.140 --> 01:10:57.210
Okay. Hi, my
name is Vira Goychavick.
01:10:57.210 --> 01:10:59.980
I reside in Orange County, California,
01:10:59.980 --> 01:11:02.400
and I work in the solar industry.
01:11:02.400 --> 01:11:05.690
Please, please reject this
terrible proposed decision.
01:11:05.690 --> 01:11:09.300
It will not only devastate
thousands of people
01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:10.513
by losing their jobs.
01:11:11.350 --> 01:11:14.570
It will also slow rooftop solar
01:11:14.570 --> 01:11:17.920
and California will not meet
its climate change goals.
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:19.883
Please reconsider. Thank you.
01:11:21.540 --> 01:11:22.800
Thank you.
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:24.593
Operator, next caller, please.
01:11:26.370 --> 01:11:28.250
Our next
caller is Betsy Scherzer.
01:11:28.250 --> 01:11:29.100
You may go ahead.
01:11:32.670 --> 01:11:33.503
Yes. Hi.
01:11:33.503 --> 01:11:34.336
Can you hear me?
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.470
Yes, Betsy. Please go ahead.
01:11:38.470 --> 01:11:41.010
Thanks. My
name is Betsy Scherzer.
01:11:41.010 --> 01:11:42.740
I live in Walnut Creek, California,
01:11:42.740 --> 01:11:44.830
and I'm a strong solar supporter.
01:11:44.830 --> 01:11:45.663
And like many,
01:11:45.663 --> 01:11:48.200
I implore you to reject
this proposed decision
01:11:48.200 --> 01:11:50.440
on net metering, which if implemented,
01:11:50.440 --> 01:11:52.760
would destroy distributed
solar generation
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.070
and with it, thousands, tens
of thousands of good jobs,
01:11:56.070 --> 01:11:59.950
which support California
families and the local tax base.
01:11:59.950 --> 01:12:02.080
Many people have spoken
about the specific aspects
01:12:02.080 --> 01:12:03.160
of this proposed decision.
01:12:03.160 --> 01:12:05.680
And I completely agree with them.
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:07.670
Implementing this type of policy,
01:12:07.670 --> 01:12:11.140
not only will kill a homegrown
California industry overnight
01:12:11.140 --> 01:12:13.840
and harm a lot of consumers
who invested in solar
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.130
in good faith, but it'll
set up a precedent
01:12:16.130 --> 01:12:18.520
that could harm solar nationwide.
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:19.570
Like many people,
01:12:19.570 --> 01:12:21.900
I moved to California
because of its policy leadership
01:12:21.900 --> 01:12:23.957
on climate change and clean energy.
01:12:23.957 --> 01:12:26.150
And we know from scientists worldwide,
01:12:26.150 --> 01:12:27.580
the time is rapidly running out
01:12:27.580 --> 01:12:30.170
to prevent the worst
effects of climate change.
01:12:30.170 --> 01:12:33.010
It is beyond my comprehension
why anyone would think
01:12:33.010 --> 01:12:36.346
it's a good time to eliminate
incentives for DG solar.
01:12:36.346 --> 01:12:37.890
This is one of the
best tools in our arsenal
01:12:37.890 --> 01:12:41.600
for both mitigation
and adaptive resilience.
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:43.450
It would not only be
an inefficient policy
01:12:43.450 --> 01:12:46.220
in my perspective,
but also a moral failing.
01:12:46.220 --> 01:12:48.290
And as a parent, I
also want (bell rings)
01:12:48.290 --> 01:12:51.420
about one aspect of solar
that I think is so important,
01:12:51.420 --> 01:12:53.230
which distinguishes it from alternatives
01:12:53.230 --> 01:12:55.720
like giant solar farms,
Betsy, your time is up.
01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:56.780
Thank you.
01:12:56.780 --> 01:12:58.533
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:13:01.328 --> 01:13:03.713
And our next
caller is Alvin Deyon.
01:13:03.713 --> 01:13:04.563
You may go ahead.
01:13:06.650 --> 01:13:07.483
Good morning, everyone.
01:13:07.483 --> 01:13:10.570
My name is Alvin Deyon
and I'm an IBEW member.
01:13:10.570 --> 01:13:13.410
I'm calling in support
of the proposed decision
01:13:13.410 --> 01:13:15.370
on net energy metering
01:13:15.370 --> 01:13:18.910
as it's totally inequitable
and a bad policy.
01:13:18.910 --> 01:13:21.093
Thank you very much.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
01:13:26.710 --> 01:13:27.543
Thank you.
01:13:28.590 --> 01:13:30.140
Other than we can't hear you any longer.
01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:33.407
So operator, please, the next caller.
01:13:34.717 --> 01:13:36.900
And our next
caller is Don Campbell.
01:13:36.900 --> 01:13:37.750
You may go ahead.
01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:42.750
Yeah. Hi, good morning.
01:13:42.750 --> 01:13:44.690
I am a 20 year operator
01:13:44.690 --> 01:13:48.780
of a solar installation company
here in Ventura County.
01:13:48.780 --> 01:13:53.780
And I vehemently ask you to
reject this NEM 3.0 proposal.
01:13:57.100 --> 01:13:58.490
And we take it really personally
01:13:58.490 --> 01:14:00.350
because my company is like a family
01:14:00.350 --> 01:14:04.100
and we are many
families that absolutely rely
01:14:04.100 --> 01:14:07.640
on the support of rooftop
solar and the industry.
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.750
And I wish you well in the new year,
01:14:09.750 --> 01:14:11.637
but I want you to wish
all of my employees
01:14:11.637 --> 01:14:14.730
and my family of employees
the best in the new year
01:14:14.730 --> 01:14:16.330
by rejecting this,
01:14:16.330 --> 01:14:19.830
which will probably
lose their jobs for them.
01:14:19.830 --> 01:14:22.380
So, please give them hope
in the future. Thank you.
01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:25.713
Thank you.
01:14:25.713 --> 01:14:27.540
Operator, next caller, please.
01:14:29.070 --> 01:14:30.750
Our next caller
is Charlotte Stevens
01:14:30.750 --> 01:14:33.240
with IBEW1245.
01:14:33.240 --> 01:14:34.090
You may go ahead.
01:14:35.260 --> 01:14:38.030
Good morning.
My name is Charlotte Stevens.
01:14:38.030 --> 01:14:40.290
I am an IBEW member.
01:14:40.290 --> 01:14:42.490
I'm calling in support
of the proposed decision
01:14:42.490 --> 01:14:44.590
on net energy metering.
01:14:44.590 --> 01:14:47.200
Most of us can't afford rooftop solar,
01:14:47.200 --> 01:14:48.550
or we live in apartments
01:14:48.550 --> 01:14:50.160
and we shouldn't have to pay for others
01:14:50.160 --> 01:14:51.720
to get rooftop solar,
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:55.620
especially since utility
scale solar is much cheaper.
01:14:55.620 --> 01:14:57.600
While the proposed decision
could have done more
01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:59.560
to eliminate the wealth transfer,
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.900
I do support at least doing this.
01:15:01.900 --> 01:15:02.733
Thank you.
01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:05.800
Thank you.
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:07.483
Operator, next caller, please.
01:15:09.820 --> 01:15:12.420
Our next caller
is Jeff Howard with Kuubix.
01:15:12.420 --> 01:15:13.270
You may go ahead.
01:15:16.890 --> 01:15:17.723
Hello, Commissioners.
01:15:17.723 --> 01:15:19.970
Thank you for the time this
morning. I appreciate that.
01:15:19.970 --> 01:15:23.340
I'm also watching online
and hopefully you're seeing
01:15:23.340 --> 01:15:24.580
and listening as well.
01:15:24.580 --> 01:15:25.420
I'm waving at you.
01:15:25.420 --> 01:15:27.510
I don't know if you
can wave back as well.
01:15:27.510 --> 01:15:29.690
So, I know you have other things going,
01:15:29.690 --> 01:15:32.420
but my name is Jeff Howard with Kuubix.
01:15:32.420 --> 01:15:35.210
I live in Central California.
01:15:35.210 --> 01:15:39.380
I worked in the fossil
fuels industry for a decade
01:15:39.380 --> 01:15:41.760
and transferred to the solar industry
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.500
because that's the
direction California's going.
01:15:44.500 --> 01:15:46.580
Here in Central California,
01:15:46.580 --> 01:15:48.230
we don't have high tech jobs.
01:15:48.230 --> 01:15:51.440
We have farming, we have construction,
01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:53.600
other jobs of that type,
01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:58.600
and NEM 3 will kill these
types of jobs, will kill solar,
01:16:00.460 --> 01:16:01.740
not only for my family,
01:16:01.740 --> 01:16:04.290
but hundreds of others that
work at just Kuubix alone.
01:16:04.290 --> 01:16:07.560
I'm not talking about other
companies, but Kuubix as well.
01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.730
I'm the sole provider for
my wife and four children
01:16:10.730 --> 01:16:12.233
who are all still in the home.
01:16:13.070 --> 01:16:16.760
We saw what happened
in Nevada years ago.
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:21.000
And two years later, they switched the,
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:23.170
they reverted back the decision
01:16:23.170 --> 01:16:24.830
that they made there in Nevada.
01:16:24.830 --> 01:16:27.680
NEM 3 will slow solar
01:16:28.620 --> 01:16:31.410
and your names will
be associated with that.
01:16:31.410 --> 01:16:35.140
And I urge you to make
your names associated
01:16:35.140 --> 01:16:37.950
with making solar relevant and valid
01:16:37.950 --> 01:16:39.730
and remain successful
(bell rings)
01:16:39.730 --> 01:16:41.100
here in California.
01:16:41.100 --> 01:16:42.950
Thank you for your time this morning.
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:45.900
Thank you for your call.
01:16:45.900 --> 01:16:47.473
Operator, next caller, please.
01:16:49.110 --> 01:16:51.550
Our next
caller is Amy Ashley.
01:16:51.550 --> 01:16:52.400
You may go ahead.
01:16:53.380 --> 01:16:54.240
I'm Amy Ashley,
01:16:54.240 --> 01:16:56.980
owner and operator of Amy's
Roofing and Solar in Petaluma.
01:16:56.980 --> 01:16:58.490
I started a solar roofing company
01:16:58.490 --> 01:17:00.370
with my husband in June, 2020.
01:17:00.370 --> 01:17:02.380
Before that, I was a
special education teacher
01:17:02.380 --> 01:17:03.990
and I always thought
teaching was the best way
01:17:03.990 --> 01:17:06.050
to leave the world
better than I found it.
01:17:06.050 --> 01:17:07.740
Increasingly, I watched
as my students felt
01:17:07.740 --> 01:17:09.760
that adults in power
weren't doing enough
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:12.370
to ensure a safe and
sustainable future for them.
01:17:12.370 --> 01:17:14.610
This led to a crisis of
conscience where I felt I needed
01:17:14.610 --> 01:17:15.940
to be the change.
01:17:15.940 --> 01:17:17.930
Since then, my husband
and I have made fast progress
01:17:17.930 --> 01:17:20.110
starting up an install company
and a suite of products
01:17:20.110 --> 01:17:23.150
to help scale beautiful and
clean energy producing rooftops
01:17:23.150 --> 01:17:24.320
for California.
01:17:24.320 --> 01:17:26.070
We thought California was
on Board with that mission
01:17:26.070 --> 01:17:27.160
and incorporated here.
01:17:27.160 --> 01:17:29.900
We also saw that the country
is increasingly on Board.
01:17:29.900 --> 01:17:32.610
The NEM 3 changes will be
devastating to people like us
01:17:32.610 --> 01:17:35.090
who are working daily to
improve things for the world.
01:17:35.090 --> 01:17:37.130
We and our employees will lose our jobs.
01:17:37.130 --> 01:17:38.520
This is not a partisan issue.
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:41.760
Studies show that more Republicans
have solar than Democrats
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:43.660
because it makes
financial sense for families.
01:17:43.660 --> 01:17:45.040
We are trying to help these families.
01:17:45.040 --> 01:17:47.330
Please don't choose the utility
companies over homeowners,
01:17:47.330 --> 01:17:48.190
small business owners,
01:17:48.190 --> 01:17:50.140
and the world my students will inherit.
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:54.433
Thank you.
01:17:54.433 --> 01:17:56.013
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:17:58.230 --> 01:18:00.130
Our next
caller is Tim McKeever.
01:18:00.130 --> 01:18:00.980
You may go ahead.
01:18:05.050 --> 01:18:06.150
Yeah, my name's Tim McKeever.
01:18:06.150 --> 01:18:09.060
I'm a solar homeowner
in Rocklin, California,
01:18:09.060 --> 01:18:10.750
and I really can't believe
01:18:10.750 --> 01:18:14.140
that I won't be able to tell
my neighbors to add solar
01:18:14.140 --> 01:18:15.513
to their homes as well.
01:18:17.300 --> 01:18:18.800
When you talk about cost shift,
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:20.710
the only cost shift I've seen
01:18:20.710 --> 01:18:24.550
in the last several years
has been the criminal,
01:18:24.550 --> 01:18:27.630
negligent behavior
and costs of wildfires
01:18:27.630 --> 01:18:32.010
being passed on to rate
payers to pay for PG&E's lack
01:18:32.010 --> 01:18:36.960
of maintenance and proper operation.
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:40.960
The cost shift there is in
the tens of billions of dollars
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:44.370
of liability, and I
don't think it's fair
01:18:44.370 --> 01:18:46.660
to pass that on to rate payers.
01:18:46.660 --> 01:18:49.730
We have never seen PG&E's rates go down
01:18:49.730 --> 01:18:51.860
and to tell people
01:18:51.860 --> 01:18:55.200
that ending rooftop solar
would lower their bills
01:18:55.200 --> 01:18:58.190
or keep their bills low is preposterous.
01:18:58.190 --> 01:19:02.560
Reject NEM 3.0, maintain NEM 2.0.
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.390
It incentivizes energy storage,
01:19:04.390 --> 01:19:08.440
it incentivizes resilience,
and it keeps the lights on.
01:19:08.440 --> 01:19:09.273
Thank you.
01:19:12.160 --> 01:19:13.027
Thank you.
01:19:13.027 --> 01:19:15.023
Operator, next caller, please.
01:19:17.287 --> 01:19:19.690
Our next
caller is Jeff Ainsley.
01:19:19.690 --> 01:19:20.540
You may go ahead.
01:19:24.240 --> 01:19:26.180
Good morning. Thank
you for taking my call.
01:19:26.180 --> 01:19:28.890
I've been in the solar
industry for 25 years.
01:19:28.890 --> 01:19:33.890
I founded my own company
in 2008. I have 50 employees.
01:19:33.900 --> 01:19:36.440
Most of my business is in California.
01:19:36.440 --> 01:19:40.270
NEM 3.0 as decided on Monday
would be utterly devastating
01:19:40.270 --> 01:19:41.330
for my company.
01:19:41.330 --> 01:19:43.163
Please reconsider. Thank you.
01:19:45.778 --> 01:19:48.420
Thank you very much.
Next caller, please.
01:19:54.300 --> 01:19:56.963
Our next
caller is Dan Moncayo.
01:19:58.088 --> 01:19:58.990
You may go ahead.
01:19:58.990 --> 01:20:00.550
Hi, good morning.
01:20:00.550 --> 01:20:01.450
My name is Dan Moncayo.
01:20:01.450 --> 01:20:02.283
I'm the owner
01:20:02.283 --> 01:20:04.700
of a small family owned solar
panel installation business
01:20:04.700 --> 01:20:05.940
called HPM Solar.
01:20:05.940 --> 01:20:08.010
We're based in Claremont, California.
01:20:08.010 --> 01:20:10.640
I too am very disappointed
by the proposed decision
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:12.800
on net metering 3.0.
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:14.630
We've been providing
energy efficiency measures
01:20:14.630 --> 01:20:16.750
and rooftop solar for about 11 years.
01:20:16.750 --> 01:20:18.290
I love solar and I firmly believe
01:20:18.290 --> 01:20:21.513
it's the right energy
source for California.
01:20:23.490 --> 01:20:24.980
My employees love the work they do.
01:20:24.980 --> 01:20:26.440
We love serving our customers.
01:20:26.440 --> 01:20:29.080
This proposal, as it stands,
would decimate our business
01:20:29.080 --> 01:20:29.913
because the payback
01:20:29.913 --> 01:20:33.000
and ROI just wouldn't
make sense anymore.
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.220
I feel anxious that I'll
need to close my business
01:20:35.220 --> 01:20:38.370
and lay off our employees
in about six months.
01:20:38.370 --> 01:20:40.930
Please consider small
businesses like mine
01:20:40.930 --> 01:20:42.230
and reject the proposal.
01:20:42.230 --> 01:20:43.063
Thank you.
01:20:45.710 --> 01:20:46.720
Thank you.
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.233
Operator, next caller, please.
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.000
One moment.
01:20:56.950 --> 01:20:58.580
Our next caller is Blair Beekman.
01:20:58.580 --> 01:21:00.143
You may go ahead.
01:21:02.330 --> 01:21:04.570
Hi, Blair Beekman here.
01:21:04.570 --> 01:21:07.000
The promising feature of
local community energy can be
01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:09.060
about the ample, simple good practices
01:21:09.060 --> 01:21:11.380
of renewable energy and better reasoned,
01:21:11.380 --> 01:21:14.220
more accountable democratic
ideas towards peace
01:21:14.220 --> 01:21:17.310
and positive long-term
community sustainability,
01:21:17.310 --> 01:21:20.140
not more war and harm to each other.
01:21:20.140 --> 01:21:21.820
It seems PG&E's current plans
01:21:21.820 --> 01:21:22.990
for solar net metering will
01:21:22.990 --> 01:21:25.360
simply block our continual
good growth of solar,
01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:28.670
of the solar industry and
block a better growing process
01:21:28.670 --> 01:21:32.143
for solar use for
people of lower income.
01:21:33.110 --> 01:21:36.640
You have solar storage items
on today's agenda that seems
01:21:38.670 --> 01:21:42.650
of help, well, with Northern
California communities
01:21:42.650 --> 01:21:45.400
and better understanding
that the COVID-19 pandemic
01:21:45.400 --> 01:21:48.150
and to be aware and plan
for any upcoming large,
01:21:48.150 --> 01:21:50.720
very, California natural disasters,
01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:52.710
perhaps 2024 and '25 is
01:21:52.710 --> 01:21:54.650
when PG&E can begin a better reasoned,
01:21:54.650 --> 01:21:56.290
less competitive business model
01:21:56.290 --> 01:21:58.480
and a more cooperative
process of transition
01:21:58.480 --> 01:22:00.550
to a local community energy future
01:22:00.550 --> 01:22:02.380
built on positive, creative, simpler,
01:22:02.380 --> 01:22:05.090
and more life-affirming
renewable energy ideas
01:22:05.090 --> 01:22:07.430
that can take the place, that
can take place for all of us
01:22:07.430 --> 01:22:08.670
with the use of solar.
01:22:08.670 --> 01:22:10.430
Please also consider how
(bell rings)
01:22:10.430 --> 01:22:12.880
policies and accountability
can walk hand in hand
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.120
with the future of
digital equity issues.
01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:15.953
Thanks a lot.
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:22.270
Operator, let me just remind
people that are in the queue,
01:22:22.270 --> 01:22:26.830
we have 75 people
still waiting to talk to us.
01:22:26.830 --> 01:22:30.310
So, please only speak for a minute.
01:22:30.310 --> 01:22:33.725
When you hear the bell, your time is up.
01:22:33.725 --> 01:22:34.880
So, please be mindful.
01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:38.263
There are 75 more people
that who want to speak today.
01:22:39.170 --> 01:22:41.270
Operator, please
bring on the next caller.
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.050
Our next
caller is Nico DeVries.
01:22:45.050 --> 01:22:46.043
You may go ahead.
01:22:47.823 --> 01:22:49.160
Good morning.
My name is Nico.
01:22:49.160 --> 01:22:51.077
I've been in green
industries for 15 years
01:22:51.077 --> 01:22:52.930
and solar for five.
01:22:52.930 --> 01:22:54.890
Solely based on my moral compass,
01:22:54.890 --> 01:22:57.730
I don't plan on working
in any other industry.
01:22:57.730 --> 01:23:01.070
If NEM 3 goes through and
solar dries up in California,
01:23:01.070 --> 01:23:04.310
we will lose many
necessary and skilled workers
01:23:04.310 --> 01:23:06.970
and our place as a net,
as a planetary leader
01:23:06.970 --> 01:23:08.490
on the environment.
01:23:08.490 --> 01:23:10.450
I would probably have to leave the state
01:23:10.450 --> 01:23:13.020
because I'm not getting
rich installing solar.
01:23:13.020 --> 01:23:14.810
We have a significant number of clients
01:23:14.810 --> 01:23:16.510
that are not wealthy either.
01:23:16.510 --> 01:23:19.540
These clients often take
out loans with slim margins,
01:23:19.540 --> 01:23:21.700
from single moms in South San Francisco
01:23:21.700 --> 01:23:25.510
to elderly folks on fixed
incomes in East Oakland,
01:23:25.510 --> 01:23:27.890
to Vietnam vets in
the Excelsior District,
01:23:27.890 --> 01:23:30.380
they have all gotten solar
for the honorable purposes
01:23:30.380 --> 01:23:32.790
of reducing ongoing personal expenses
01:23:32.790 --> 01:23:35.290
and passing on a livable
planet to the future.
01:23:35.290 --> 01:23:37.240
Do you really care about your family,
01:23:37.240 --> 01:23:39.420
your kids, or your grandchildren?
01:23:39.420 --> 01:23:41.610
Choices have consequences.
01:23:41.610 --> 01:23:43.390
Vote no on 3.0.
01:23:44.455 --> 01:23:45.288
Thank you.
01:23:46.871 --> 01:23:47.704
Thank you.
01:23:47.704 --> 01:23:49.130
Operator, next caller, please.
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:52.560
Our next
caller is Cameron Lang.
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:53.410
You may go ahead.
01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:02.730
I entered
the workforce in 2009
01:24:02.730 --> 01:24:04.770
in the aftermath of the great recession,
01:24:04.770 --> 01:24:06.000
and like many millennials,
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:09.410
I struggled for years to
find gainful employment.
01:24:09.410 --> 01:24:11.670
Thankfully, that all changed
when I began my career
01:24:11.670 --> 01:24:14.870
in the residential
solar industry in 2014.
01:24:14.870 --> 01:24:17.310
I'm currently employed by
Baker Electric Home Energy
01:24:17.310 --> 01:24:19.790
and as a father of a
three month old daughter,
01:24:19.790 --> 01:24:22.270
I am grateful to have work
that contributes to a cleaner,
01:24:22.270 --> 01:24:24.690
safer, and hopefully more stable climate
01:24:24.690 --> 01:24:26.560
for all our children.
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.820
The NEM 3.0 proposed
decision is a disaster,
01:24:29.820 --> 01:24:33.150
and would destroy the
livelihoods of tens of thousands
01:24:33.150 --> 01:24:36.970
of solar workers like
myself all across the state.
01:24:36.970 --> 01:24:40.720
As proposed, this decision
would kill the solar industry
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:42.660
in California at a critical time
01:24:42.660 --> 01:24:44.320
for the state and the nation.
01:24:44.320 --> 01:24:46.960
As goes California, so goes the nation,
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:48.210
and I urge the Commissioners
01:24:48.210 --> 01:24:50.120
to reject the proposed decision.
01:24:50.120 --> 01:24:52.470
Thank you for your time
and your consideration.
01:24:53.553 --> 01:24:54.940
Thank you for your call.
01:24:54.940 --> 01:24:56.523
Operator, next caller, please.
01:24:58.550 --> 01:25:00.950
Our next caller is
Laura Rosenberger Haider.
01:25:00.950 --> 01:25:01.800
You may go ahead.
01:25:03.440 --> 01:25:05.450
Hello. My name is Laura Haider
01:25:06.650 --> 01:25:11.570
Your net metering proposal
decision will kill rooftop solar.
01:25:11.570 --> 01:25:14.980
Half of the households in
Fresno County affords the $57
01:25:14.980 --> 01:25:16.850
per month solar fee.
01:25:16.850 --> 01:25:19.820
And we have trouble afford,
putting food and dental care
01:25:19.820 --> 01:25:23.270
and basic necessities with
a 40,000 per year income.
01:25:23.270 --> 01:25:24.180
People should not have
01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:27.860
to lose their net energy
metering rate protection
01:25:27.860 --> 01:25:30.600
if they want the rebate
to afford batteries.
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:32.450
Battery storage is essential
01:25:32.450 --> 01:25:34.950
when a large number of
homes have roof top solar.
01:25:34.950 --> 01:25:35.953
All right, thanks.
01:25:39.790 --> 01:25:40.690
Thank you.
01:25:40.690 --> 01:25:42.263
Operator, next caller, please.
01:25:45.382 --> 01:25:47.920
And our next
caller is Oscar Castro.
01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:48.770
You may go ahead.
01:25:51.530 --> 01:25:53.293
Yes. Good morning, all.
01:25:53.293 --> 01:25:55.123
I've been working in the solar industry
01:25:55.123 --> 01:25:58.243
and here in San Diego
for seven years now.
01:25:58.243 --> 01:25:59.810
I've worked in human resources,
01:25:59.810 --> 01:26:01.740
as director of operations,
01:26:01.740 --> 01:26:05.730
and currently in business
development and customer success.
01:26:05.730 --> 01:26:08.780
I've seen the impact solar has had
01:26:08.780 --> 01:26:11.873
in helping people further their careers,
01:26:12.930 --> 01:26:14.000
support their families.
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.270
I have personally finally
became a homeowner this year.
01:26:17.270 --> 01:26:18.190
Thank you for,
01:26:18.190 --> 01:26:21.623
thanks to the success I've
had with my solar career.
01:26:22.770 --> 01:26:23.790
It is clear to me
01:26:23.790 --> 01:26:27.330
that the public has made
their voices loud and clear
01:26:27.330 --> 01:26:30.820
in regards to rejecting net-metering 3.
01:26:30.820 --> 01:26:34.440
I believe that you are
very aware of the impact
01:26:34.440 --> 01:26:37.840
that supporting NEM 3 would
have on the millions of lives
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.470
of people in California,
01:26:39.470 --> 01:26:42.230
both homeowners and
people that work in solar.
01:26:42.230 --> 01:26:45.850
I urge you to please
have your decision reflect
01:26:45.850 --> 01:26:50.350
that you are here to listen to
the public that you represent
01:26:50.350 --> 01:26:54.480
and support them in continuing
furthering their careers
01:26:54.480 --> 01:26:56.850
in solar, as well as
homeowners being able
01:26:56.850 --> 01:27:01.140
to lower their expense
on electrical usage.
01:27:01.140 --> 01:27:03.890
California, as you all know,
(bell rings)
01:27:03.890 --> 01:27:05.517
within them, thank you
so much for your time
01:27:05.517 --> 01:27:07.380
and happy holidays.
01:27:07.380 --> 01:27:08.480
Thank you.
01:27:08.480 --> 01:27:10.043
Operator, next caller, please.
01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:13.947
Our next
caller is Alina Binen.
01:27:13.947 --> 01:27:15.033
You may go ahead.
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:19.270
Hi, good morning.
01:27:19.270 --> 01:27:21.200
So I am a recruiter for a solar company
01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:22.500
in Southern California,
01:27:22.500 --> 01:27:26.070
and it is imperative that
we continue being able
01:27:26.070 --> 01:27:28.270
to bring employment to California.
01:27:28.270 --> 01:27:31.790
There are hundreds of people
that we've been able to employ
01:27:31.790 --> 01:27:32.970
at our solar company,
01:27:32.970 --> 01:27:36.270
and they have been able to
change their lives exponentially
01:27:36.270 --> 01:27:38.030
and boost our state's economy,
01:27:38.030 --> 01:27:40.200
which is obviously what
we desperately need.
01:27:40.200 --> 01:27:42.130
So, I very much implore you
01:27:42.130 --> 01:27:44.250
to hear what we are all asking of you
01:27:44.250 --> 01:27:48.040
and to let us continue the
solar business in California,
01:27:48.040 --> 01:27:51.180
so we can be a leader in our
country for renewable energy.
01:27:51.180 --> 01:27:52.093
Thank you so much.
01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:55.120
Thank you for your call.
01:27:55.120 --> 01:27:56.723
Operator, next caller, please.
01:27:58.890 --> 01:28:00.920
Our next
caller is Frank Schwartz.
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:01.770
You may go ahead.
01:28:04.180 --> 01:28:05.310
Hello, my name
is Frank Schwartz.
01:28:05.310 --> 01:28:08.203
I work for a solar installer
in Southern California.
01:28:09.140 --> 01:28:12.033
I have many years of finance
and numbers experience,
01:28:12.890 --> 01:28:14.950
and I want to relay something
that I don't mean literally,
01:28:14.950 --> 01:28:16.300
but there's a great saying.
01:28:17.160 --> 01:28:18.170
The numbers don't lie,
01:28:18.170 --> 01:28:19.033
but the liars make the numbers.
01:28:19.033 --> 01:28:21.800
So, what I mean is, no
one's ever going to get
01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:25.250
to the bottom of PG&E's fixed costs,
01:28:25.250 --> 01:28:26.960
fixed investments, depreciating,
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.770
allocating the transmission lines.
01:28:29.770 --> 01:28:32.743
Should they go against
new or old solar homes?
01:28:33.710 --> 01:28:34.860
One side's going to say one thing,
01:28:34.860 --> 01:28:35.950
one side's gonna say another.
01:28:35.950 --> 01:28:39.503
But there's another saying,
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
01:28:40.940 --> 01:28:42.590
The solar's popular on the homes.
01:28:42.590 --> 01:28:43.940
Let the homes have their solar.
01:28:43.940 --> 01:28:48.940
Let the utility solar scale
build out in the desert.
01:28:49.890 --> 01:28:52.120
Let them both coexist.
01:28:52.120 --> 01:28:54.580
Don't be the Grinch
that stole Christmas.
01:28:54.580 --> 01:28:57.880
There's 70,000 people
employed in solar in California.
01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.597
Don't have them end up
on the doorsteps of the EDD
01:29:00.597 --> 01:29:02.370
and the unemployment department
01:29:02.370 --> 01:29:03.730
who already has enough problems.
01:29:03.730 --> 01:29:07.130
So, just sail the course.
01:29:07.130 --> 01:29:09.020
It's popular on the federal level,
01:29:09.020 --> 01:29:10.430
the national and state goals.
(bell rings)
01:29:10.430 --> 01:29:11.263
Thank you.
01:29:13.240 --> 01:29:14.073
Thank you.
01:29:14.073 --> 01:29:15.583
Operator, next caller, please.
01:29:17.642 --> 01:29:18.960
Our next
caller is Chris Clarke
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:21.260
with National Parks
Conservation Association.
01:29:21.260 --> 01:29:22.110
You may go ahead.
01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:24.593
Thank you.
01:29:24.593 --> 01:29:26.130
Chris Clarke, associate director
01:29:26.130 --> 01:29:27.650
of the California Desert Program
01:29:27.650 --> 01:29:30.710
for the National Parks
Conservation Association.
01:29:30.710 --> 01:29:31.930
Your proposed decision
01:29:31.930 --> 01:29:35.130
on net energy metering
is fatally flawed.
01:29:35.130 --> 01:29:36.100
It runs counter to two
01:29:36.100 --> 01:29:39.130
of California's most important
environmental policies,
01:29:39.130 --> 01:29:41.910
namely, the need to
decarbonize our power grid
01:29:41.910 --> 01:29:42.970
and the need to preserve
01:29:42.970 --> 01:29:45.753
at least 30% of our wild lands by 2030.
01:29:46.652 --> 01:29:51.230
Decentivizing rooftop solar
shifts the environmental cost
01:29:51.230 --> 01:29:54.170
to our irreplaceable desert lands.
01:29:54.170 --> 01:29:56.900
The utilities cost shift
arguments are self-serving,
01:29:56.900 --> 01:29:59.400
and in fact, dishonest.
01:29:59.400 --> 01:30:02.010
If inequity exists in
California solar policy,
01:30:02.010 --> 01:30:03.560
act by increasing incentives
01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:05.640
and subsidies for rooftop solar,
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:09.090
rather than lining the pockets
of investor owned utilities.
01:30:09.090 --> 01:30:10.910
You have a chance to protect the desert
01:30:10.910 --> 01:30:13.560
and rate payers' pocket
books at the same time.
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:16.077
The proposed decision
does neither. Thank you.
01:30:17.730 --> 01:30:18.590
Thank you.
01:30:18.590 --> 01:30:20.113
Operator, next caller, please.
01:30:22.087 --> 01:30:23.880
Our next
caller is Ross Williams.
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:24.730
You may go ahead.
01:30:26.950 --> 01:30:28.110
Good morning, Commissioners.
01:30:28.110 --> 01:30:29.340
My name is Ross Williams.
01:30:29.340 --> 01:30:33.540
I'm a solar customer and
owner of HES Solar in San Diego.
01:30:33.540 --> 01:30:35.800
I've proudly worked in the
solar industry for 12 years
01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:39.020
and I've enjoyed rooftop
solar on my home since 2014.
01:30:39.020 --> 01:30:42.300
I'm calling regarding the
recent proposed decision release
01:30:42.300 --> 01:30:44.540
regarding NEM 3.0.
01:30:44.540 --> 01:30:47.760
Simply put, this policy is a
fundamentally flawed disaster
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:48.850
and would kill my business.
01:30:48.850 --> 01:30:50.760
It needs to be rejected and revised,
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:54.593
as many of my colleagues
have told you here today.
01:30:54.593 --> 01:30:56.743
Thank you for your
time and happy holidays.
01:30:57.730 --> 01:30:58.760
Thank you.
01:30:58.760 --> 01:31:00.323
Operator, next caller, please.
01:31:02.394 --> 01:31:04.080
Our next
caller is Joel Chabon.
01:31:04.080 --> 01:31:04.930
You may go ahead.
01:31:05.770 --> 01:31:07.990
Yes. My name is Joel Chabon.
01:31:07.990 --> 01:31:11.670
I oppose and ask you to reject NEM 3.0.
01:31:11.670 --> 01:31:15.340
I am one of the co-founders
of Power Local Menanoma.
01:31:15.340 --> 01:31:18.450
And as a member of Power Local Menanoma,
01:31:18.450 --> 01:31:22.470
we encourage community
members to invest in solar.
01:31:22.470 --> 01:31:26.570
Part of that encouragement
are the tax credits
01:31:26.570 --> 01:31:30.540
and the net energy metering
policies that contribute
01:31:30.540 --> 01:31:33.250
to payback of their investment in solar.
01:31:33.250 --> 01:31:35.810
Their decision to
invest in solar is not only
01:31:35.810 --> 01:31:37.120
based on payback,
01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:41.090
but also their desire to reduce
dependence on fossil fuels
01:31:41.090 --> 01:31:43.760
and to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:45.220
The imposition of a tariff
01:31:45.220 --> 01:31:48.070
on solar providers defeats the incentive
01:31:48.070 --> 01:31:50.520
to invest in solar for current owners
01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:53.510
of photovoltaic systems.
01:31:53.510 --> 01:31:56.340
What you are proposing
now is not the path
01:31:56.340 --> 01:32:00.050
to solve real-world
issues to decarbonize.
01:32:00.050 --> 01:32:03.960
It's a way to stifle
progress towards this goal.
01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:04.793
Thank you.
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:07.593
Thank you.
01:32:07.593 --> 01:32:09.533
Operator, next caller, please.
01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:13.320
Our next
caller is John Sumingson.
01:32:13.320 --> 01:32:14.170
You may go ahead.
01:32:16.070 --> 01:32:16.903
Hello.
01:32:16.903 --> 01:32:19.920
I am a solar consumer
as well as own a company
01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:21.226
that works in the solar industry,
01:32:21.226 --> 01:32:22.930
have been doing so for 12 years.
01:32:22.930 --> 01:32:24.160
As a consumer,
01:32:24.160 --> 01:32:27.300
this is going to increase
my power rates dramatically
01:32:27.300 --> 01:32:30.560
and dramatically impact the economics
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.890
of the existing solar system.
01:32:32.890 --> 01:32:34.880
It's unfair and unreasonable
01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:36.610
for the public utilities Commission
01:32:36.610 --> 01:32:38.792
to be able to change the game on people
01:32:38.792 --> 01:32:42.610
that made purchasing decisions
based on existing criteria.
01:32:42.610 --> 01:32:44.340
As a business owner,
01:32:44.340 --> 01:32:46.850
this is going to dramatically impact us.
01:32:46.850 --> 01:32:48.430
It will decimate the residential
01:32:48.430 --> 01:32:50.560
and commercial solar industry,
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:52.330
dramatically decrease our revenue
01:32:52.330 --> 01:32:55.100
and potentially result
in us laying off staff.
01:32:55.100 --> 01:32:58.510
This is horrible for both
consumers and businesses.
01:32:58.510 --> 01:32:59.343
Thank you.
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:03.553
Thank you.
01:33:03.553 --> 01:33:05.003
Operator, next caller, please.
01:33:06.543 --> 01:33:09.463
Our next caller is
Paul Leon. You may go ahead.
01:33:10.510 --> 01:33:12.140
Hello, thank
you for taking my call.
01:33:12.140 --> 01:33:13.350
My name's Paul Leon.
01:33:13.350 --> 01:33:14.930
I'm the Mayor of Ontario,
01:33:14.930 --> 01:33:16.920
which is in Southern California.
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:20.050
I personally installed solar on
my home about 10 years ago.
01:33:20.050 --> 01:33:22.570
I did it to do my environmental part,
01:33:22.570 --> 01:33:24.310
but also to save money.
01:33:24.310 --> 01:33:26.410
Part of my decision was
based on being protected
01:33:26.410 --> 01:33:27.830
for 20 years.
01:33:27.830 --> 01:33:29.960
When the solar guy told
me this, I didn't trust him.
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:32.450
So, I personally called
Southern California Edison's
01:33:32.450 --> 01:33:35.310
solar department, and they confirmed
01:33:35.310 --> 01:33:37.730
that I had 20 years of protection.
01:33:37.730 --> 01:33:39.790
I think it's absolutely unconscionable
01:33:39.790 --> 01:33:43.370
that the PUC would arbitrarily
renege on that protection
01:33:43.370 --> 01:33:45.640
for me, several other,
01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:48.310
several thousand other Ontario residents
01:33:48.310 --> 01:33:49.900
and hundreds of thousands of people
01:33:49.900 --> 01:33:51.950
who went solar in California.
01:33:51.950 --> 01:33:56.000
Personally, I'll lose over
$18,000 of the investment
01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.740
that Edison and California guaranteed
01:33:58.740 --> 01:34:00.760
that was protected for me.
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.000
Also, from what I'm
hearing from everybody else
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:03.990
on this call,
01:34:03.990 --> 01:34:06.160
I'm concerned about the
amount of Ontario jobs
01:34:06.160 --> 01:34:07.250
that will be lost
01:34:07.250 --> 01:34:09.720
and lives that will be horribly impacted
01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:12.710
by the expensive
penalties the PUC is going
01:34:12.710 --> 01:34:14.750
to impose on solar customers.
01:34:14.750 --> 01:34:16.350
I'm asking you to reconsider
(bell rings)
01:34:16.350 --> 01:34:18.362
and find a better way to do this.
01:34:18.362 --> 01:34:19.195
Thank you.
01:34:20.182 --> 01:34:21.015
Thank you.
01:34:21.015 --> 01:34:22.630
Operator, next caller, please.
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:25.313
Our next
caller is Bill Gurgol
01:34:25.313 --> 01:34:26.900
with Solar Bill Review.
01:34:26.900 --> 01:34:27.750
You may go ahead.
01:34:28.940 --> 01:34:30.060
Owner, Solar Bill Review.
01:34:30.060 --> 01:34:32.040
Yes. I believe love conquers all.
01:34:32.040 --> 01:34:33.910
And there is a better way.
01:34:33.910 --> 01:34:37.520
We have 15 California
families on our payroll currently.
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:39.350
It was eight years ago when my son,
01:34:39.350 --> 01:34:41.320
who was seven years
old at the time, asked,
01:34:41.320 --> 01:34:44.890
I asked him if I should
stay in the business I was in
01:34:44.890 --> 01:34:47.560
for the previous 25 years or do solar
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:50.570
and he responded
enthusiastically, "Solar!"
01:34:50.570 --> 01:34:52.350
And that was the kicker to change
01:34:52.350 --> 01:34:54.750
to this sleep well at night industry,
01:34:54.750 --> 01:34:56.610
started my own business four years ago.
01:34:56.610 --> 01:34:58.357
My two boys, Iggy and Kiko
are looking forward to the day
01:34:58.357 --> 01:35:01.730
that they'll be able to work
with their dad's business.
01:35:01.730 --> 01:35:03.870
The preliminary
decision is like a lit stack
01:35:03.870 --> 01:35:06.670
of dynamite that would
just blow up all our lives.
01:35:06.670 --> 01:35:08.280
The corporation that benefits
01:35:08.280 --> 01:35:10.600
from this heinous small business killer
01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:13.100
of a plan has several employees
01:35:13.100 --> 01:35:15.440
who make more than five
times the yearly revenue
01:35:15.440 --> 01:35:17.160
of our whole company.
01:35:17.160 --> 01:35:21.450
We support 15 happy
families this directly affects.
01:35:21.450 --> 01:35:24.920
Please don't kill our small
family owned business
01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:27.310
in favor of giant corporations.
01:35:27.310 --> 01:35:30.270
Love conquers all.
There is a better way.
01:35:30.270 --> 01:35:31.870
Be a good part of history.
01:35:31.870 --> 01:35:33.060
Do something right.
01:35:33.060 --> 01:35:35.290
The west coast is where it all starts.
01:35:35.290 --> 01:35:36.330
Please be leaders.
01:35:36.330 --> 01:35:37.880
Lead from the front. Thank you.
01:35:40.040 --> 01:35:40.930
Thank you.
01:35:40.930 --> 01:35:42.653
Operator, next caller, please.
01:35:46.064 --> 01:35:47.730
Our next
caller is Jeff Par.
01:35:47.730 --> 01:35:48.580
You may go ahead.
01:35:51.190 --> 01:35:52.480
Hi, my name's Jeff Par.
01:35:52.480 --> 01:35:54.500
I started a company
called Solar Technologies
01:35:54.500 --> 01:35:55.590
about 12 years ago.
01:35:55.590 --> 01:35:57.070
We're a residential
commercial installer.
01:35:57.070 --> 01:35:58.620
We've installed thousands of systems
01:35:58.620 --> 01:36:00.190
here in the greater
San Francisco Bay area.
01:36:00.190 --> 01:36:03.240
We've got 90 full-time
employees, very diverse group,
01:36:03.240 --> 01:36:05.273
and over half our
business now services low
01:36:05.273 --> 01:36:07.550
and middle income families.
01:36:07.550 --> 01:36:09.130
If the proposed decision is approved,
01:36:09.130 --> 01:36:10.840
I'll be forced to shut down.
01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:12.293
We cannot install at $2.58 a watt,
01:36:12.293 --> 01:36:13.340
and you know this
01:36:13.340 --> 01:36:16.030
because you publish the
interconnection data set.
01:36:16.030 --> 01:36:19.510
We must charge around
$3.50 to $4 a watt to operate.
01:36:19.510 --> 01:36:21.100
This pushes the actual paybacks
01:36:21.100 --> 01:36:23.520
in your model out to 17 to 19 years.
01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:26.350
No home or business owner
will invest at these returns.
01:36:26.350 --> 01:36:27.680
It also guarantees that no middle
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:29.600
or low income family
will ever have the option
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.680
to invest in solar or
backup battery power.
01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:34.120
I urge you not to revise
01:36:34.120 --> 01:36:36.860
but to develop an
alternate final decision.
01:36:36.860 --> 01:36:39.640
Only the utilities benefit
from this decision.
01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:43.330
We need fair export compensation
with a 10-year glide path
01:36:43.330 --> 01:36:45.260
so the battery market can mature
01:36:45.260 --> 01:36:47.110
or you will kill this industry.
01:36:47.110 --> 01:36:50.050
This is a utility hit job and
without dramatic change,
01:36:50.050 --> 01:36:52.760
you will force me to close
my doors within a year
01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:54.710
and lay off 90 employees.
01:36:54.710 --> 01:36:56.083
I beg you to reconsider.
01:37:02.430 --> 01:37:03.980
Operator, next caller please.
01:37:05.515 --> 01:37:07.610
Our next
caller is Keith Kruetzfeldt.
01:37:07.610 --> 01:37:08.460
You may go ahead.
01:37:10.160 --> 01:37:11.330
Hi, my name
is Keith Kruetzfeldt.
01:37:11.330 --> 01:37:14.793
I own a solar installation
business here in Sonoma County.
01:37:14.793 --> 01:37:17.380
I've been doing so
for the last 12 years.
01:37:17.380 --> 01:37:20.190
Just want to say that
the proposed decision
01:37:20.190 --> 01:37:23.390
for net metering 3.0 is
going to be disastrous
01:37:23.390 --> 01:37:24.320
for the solar industry.
01:37:24.320 --> 01:37:27.810
You will decimate solar in California.
01:37:27.810 --> 01:37:29.480
And unfortunately, by default,
01:37:29.480 --> 01:37:32.020
we will see that ripple
throughout the United States,
01:37:32.020 --> 01:37:33.280
as the other state,
01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:36.520
other utilities see how
our utilities have been able
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:41.520
to co-op our Commission and
make such a horrible decision.
01:37:41.950 --> 01:37:45.350
This is the time, now more than ever,
01:37:45.350 --> 01:37:47.120
for our public utilities Commission
01:37:47.120 --> 01:37:51.010
to stand up to the
utilities, not work for them,
01:37:51.010 --> 01:37:54.750
and let them know that
they are to embrace solar
01:37:55.970 --> 01:38:00.140
and competition and not
look for ways to crush it,
01:38:00.140 --> 01:38:02.490
so they can maintain the monopoly.
01:38:02.490 --> 01:38:07.490
So, we beg you
reconsider and start over.
01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:10.960
Shelve the current proposal
01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:13.730
and look closely at CALSSA's proposal,
01:38:13.730 --> 01:38:16.100
which is fair across the Board
01:38:16.100 --> 01:38:18.710
and will ensure
(bell rings)
01:38:18.710 --> 01:38:20.280
you bust solar going forward.
01:38:20.280 --> 01:38:21.113
Thank you.
01:38:25.120 --> 01:38:26.720
Operator, next caller, please.
01:38:28.225 --> 01:38:29.920
Our next
caller is Donnie Davis.
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:30.770
You may go ahead.
01:38:32.830 --> 01:38:34.500
How you doing?
My name is Donnie Davis.
01:38:34.500 --> 01:38:37.020
I am a member with IBEW.
01:38:37.020 --> 01:38:39.630
I'm calling in support of
the proposed decision.
01:38:39.630 --> 01:38:41.450
As it was mentioned earlier,
01:38:41.450 --> 01:38:43.210
while the proposed
decision doesn't eliminate
01:38:43.210 --> 01:38:45.277
the wealth transfer, it does reduce it.
01:38:45.277 --> 01:38:47.430
And I do think it's fair. Thank you.
01:38:49.394 --> 01:38:50.490
Thank you.
01:38:50.490 --> 01:38:52.053
Operator, next caller, please.
01:38:53.793 --> 01:38:55.500
Our next
caller is Seth Devy.
01:38:55.500 --> 01:38:56.350
You may go ahead.
01:38:57.880 --> 01:38:59.877
Hi. My name is Seth Devy.
01:38:59.877 --> 01:39:01.810
I'm the owner of Green Day Power.
01:39:01.810 --> 01:39:05.060
We employ almost 200 employees
01:39:05.060 --> 01:39:09.210
and when you add their
families that they are providers for,
01:39:09.210 --> 01:39:10.350
it's over a thousand people
01:39:10.350 --> 01:39:12.130
that will be effected
by this negatively.
01:39:12.130 --> 01:39:16.970
We ask that you reject
the NEM 3.0 proposal.
01:39:16.970 --> 01:39:18.220
My son, three-year-old son,
01:39:18.220 --> 01:39:20.980
thinks that solar
providers are superheroes.
01:39:20.980 --> 01:39:23.860
He thinks his dad's a
superhero, and we're out there,
01:39:23.860 --> 01:39:25.560
you know, adding rooftop solar
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.010
and helping people
reduce their carbon footprint
01:39:29.010 --> 01:39:32.010
and make it a better
world for his future.
01:39:32.010 --> 01:39:36.450
And I ask that you and beg
that you reject this proposal
01:39:36.450 --> 01:39:40.110
and that our children
don't pay for the sins
01:39:40.110 --> 01:39:43.580
and the mistakes of
PG&E and a big corporation,
01:39:43.580 --> 01:39:46.200
but they have the opportunity
to choose for themselves
01:39:46.200 --> 01:39:49.150
to have solar and to
participate in changing the world.
01:39:49.150 --> 01:39:49.983
Thank you.
01:39:52.885 --> 01:39:53.718
Thank you.
01:39:53.718 --> 01:39:55.210
Operator, next caller, please.
01:39:56.870 --> 01:39:59.480
Our next
caller is Al Byrington
01:39:59.480 --> 01:40:01.560
with Magic Sun Solar.
01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:02.410
You may go ahead.
01:40:06.740 --> 01:40:10.323
Actually, it's Adlai
Ota with Magic Sun Solar.
01:40:11.860 --> 01:40:15.510
I've been in solar now
for a total of 12 years,
01:40:15.510 --> 01:40:17.500
the past seven with Magic Sun Solar,
01:40:17.500 --> 01:40:20.760
which installs about
1.8 megawatts a year,
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:23.270
mainly in residential solar.
01:40:23.270 --> 01:40:25.470
So far, I have personally helped
01:40:25.470 --> 01:40:27.470
over 600 homeowners go solar
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:29.860
and I'm on the front lines
01:40:29.860 --> 01:40:31.410
when it comes to seeing firsthand
01:40:31.410 --> 01:40:33.820
who is buying residential solar.
01:40:33.820 --> 01:40:37.850
My goal is to help 1,000
homeowners go solar.
01:40:37.850 --> 01:40:41.070
Yesterday, the retired
homeowner I visited said,
01:40:41.070 --> 01:40:43.940
he's interested in buying a 5kW system
01:40:43.940 --> 01:40:48.260
to help offset his PG&E electric
bills, which keep going up.
01:40:48.260 --> 01:40:50.170
Being on fixed income,
01:40:50.170 --> 01:40:53.720
he by no means considers himself wealthy
01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:56.210
as falsely portrayed by the utilities
01:40:56.210 --> 01:40:58.600
as the typical solar customer.
01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:03.410
CPUC, do not become the evil empire
01:41:03.410 --> 01:41:06.530
that does a smash and grab on solar,
01:41:06.530 --> 01:41:10.300
making it beyond the reach of
most homeowners in California.
01:41:10.300 --> 01:41:13.163
No on NEM 3 as currently proposed.
01:41:17.950 --> 01:41:19.553
Operator, next caller, please.
01:41:21.940 --> 01:41:23.950
Our next
caller is Craig Rush.
01:41:23.950 --> 01:41:24.943
You may go ahead.
01:41:27.690 --> 01:41:28.523
Hi, good morning.
01:41:28.523 --> 01:41:29.480
My name is Craig Rush.
01:41:29.480 --> 01:41:33.230
I've been in residential
solar for 14 years.
01:41:33.230 --> 01:41:36.450
I switched to careers from a high-tech,
01:41:36.450 --> 01:41:37.440
not to make more money,
01:41:37.440 --> 01:41:41.693
but to do more
environmentally friendly task.
01:41:42.770 --> 01:41:47.070
This proposal would kill
my job and is a disaster.
01:41:47.070 --> 01:41:48.700
I feel like I'm addressing,
01:41:48.700 --> 01:41:50.670
not the public utilities Commission,
01:41:50.670 --> 01:41:53.530
but the investor owned
utilities Commission.
01:41:53.530 --> 01:41:55.220
I, it's impossible for me
01:41:55.220 --> 01:41:57.510
to understand what
you people are thinking.
01:41:57.510 --> 01:41:58.710
You must reject this.
01:41:58.710 --> 01:41:59.990
Go back to the drawing Board.
01:41:59.990 --> 01:42:03.890
We need more solar
in California, not less.
01:42:03.890 --> 01:42:04.723
Thank you.
01:42:05.710 --> 01:42:07.350
Thank you.
01:42:07.350 --> 01:42:08.883
Operator, next caller, please.
01:42:10.860 --> 01:42:13.190
Our next
caller is Brent Madeiras.
01:42:13.190 --> 01:42:14.040
You may go ahead.
01:42:15.090 --> 01:42:16.193
Can you hear me now?
01:42:17.590 --> 01:42:19.260
Yes, we can.
Can you hear me now?
01:42:19.260 --> 01:42:20.500
Okay, good.
01:42:20.500 --> 01:42:22.000
I want to thank you for the one minute,
01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:23.490
There's a lot of
background noise.
01:42:23.490 --> 01:42:24.943
So, you need to speak up.
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.530
I have zero noise going
on in my background,
01:42:28.530 --> 01:42:30.250
so I'm sorry you're hearing something.
01:42:30.250 --> 01:42:31.670
That's not going on here,
01:42:31.670 --> 01:42:35.360
but I want to thank you
for the one minute to speak.
01:42:35.360 --> 01:42:38.480
And I hope you've heard all
the other voices ahead of mine
01:42:38.480 --> 01:42:39.930
with all the logical reasons
01:42:39.930 --> 01:42:44.930
of why to reject the current
NEMs 3.0 as proposed.
01:42:46.512 --> 01:42:49.020
I have been in the
industry for 10 years.
01:42:49.020 --> 01:42:52.840
I've helped over probably
80 to 100 customers
01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:54.930
per year move forward with solar.
01:42:54.930 --> 01:42:56.015
So somewhere between 800
01:42:56.015 --> 01:42:59.470
and 1,000 customers
I've helped go solar.
01:42:59.470 --> 01:43:02.420
And one of the questions
they've always asked me is, Brent,
01:43:03.670 --> 01:43:08.670
is there any way that PG&E
or the CPUC can change
01:43:09.900 --> 01:43:12.700
this 20 years that
they've guaranteed me?
01:43:12.700 --> 01:43:15.030
And I've told them all vehemently, no,
01:43:15.030 --> 01:43:16.560
there's no way they can change it.
01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:18.320
That would be illegal.
01:43:18.320 --> 01:43:21.870
And that's exactly how I
feel this process is going.
01:43:21.870 --> 01:43:23.480
These people have
been promised something,
01:43:23.480 --> 01:43:25.250
and it is now being taken away.
01:43:25.250 --> 01:43:27.410
The rug has been pulled
out from under them.
01:43:27.410 --> 01:43:29.320
And on a more personal level,
01:43:29.320 --> 01:43:33.890
I was in the mortgage
industry when it collapsed,
01:43:33.890 --> 01:43:36.900
because of all of the falsehoods
01:43:36.900 --> 01:43:38.773
and things going on
out there in the world.
01:43:38.773 --> 01:43:40.400
(bell rings)
And so I've,
01:43:40.400 --> 01:43:42.300
I've been through this once before.
01:43:42.300 --> 01:43:43.950
I have about 10 years in this business.
01:43:43.950 --> 01:43:47.350
I am the sole income earner
in my family and my household.
01:43:47.350 --> 01:43:48.900
And if you guys don't reject this,
01:43:48.900 --> 01:43:50.210
I'm going to be looking for another job
01:43:50.210 --> 01:43:51.740
at 55 years old again.
01:43:51.740 --> 01:43:52.890
Thank you for the time.
01:43:55.690 --> 01:43:57.323
Operator, next caller, please.
01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:00.950
Our next
caller is Kiran Palestra.
01:44:00.950 --> 01:44:01.800
You may go ahead.
01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:06.220
Hi, name's Karen Polstra.
01:44:06.220 --> 01:44:10.040
I've been in the solar
industry for almost 17 years.
01:44:10.040 --> 01:44:12.230
I'm asking you to reject this proposal
01:44:12.230 --> 01:44:16.530
for all the well-stated
reasons of the previous callers.
01:44:16.530 --> 01:44:18.120
On a personal note,
01:44:18.120 --> 01:44:21.810
my entire family is
involved in the solar industry
01:44:21.810 --> 01:44:25.700
and it would be absolutely
devastating to us, personally,
01:44:25.700 --> 01:44:28.970
to have to restart everything again.
01:44:28.970 --> 01:44:30.640
We've built up our business
01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:33.720
with blood, sweat, and often tears,
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:38.340
and this arbitrary decision
is devastating to us.
01:44:38.340 --> 01:44:40.233
Please reject this proposal.
01:44:41.860 --> 01:44:42.693
Thank you.
01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:44.753
Thank you.
01:44:44.753 --> 01:44:46.273
Operator, next caller, please.
01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:50.850
Our next caller is
Helen Couture Rodriguez.
01:44:50.850 --> 01:44:51.700
You may go ahead.
01:44:58.300 --> 01:45:00.160
Again, Helen Rodriguez,
your line is open.
01:45:00.160 --> 01:45:01.660
Please check your mute button.
01:45:06.490 --> 01:45:08.440
Helen, if you're there,
01:45:08.440 --> 01:45:11.943
we need to have you come
online or we'll have to move on.
01:45:13.370 --> 01:45:14.443
Helen, are you there?
01:45:17.210 --> 01:45:18.753
Okay. I'm sorry.
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:22.100
Operator, you'll need to
bring on the next caller.
01:45:23.480 --> 01:45:25.890
Our next
caller is Jeff Lounsberry.
01:45:25.890 --> 01:45:26.740
You may go ahead.
01:45:29.060 --> 01:45:30.080
Yes.
01:45:30.080 --> 01:45:30.913
Good morning.
01:45:30.913 --> 01:45:33.670
Thank you for providing
some time to speak with you.
01:45:33.670 --> 01:45:35.600
My name's Jeff Lounsberry.
01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.810
I work with CalCom Energy,
01:45:37.810 --> 01:45:42.810
helping farmers go solar
for over the last 12 years.
01:45:43.080 --> 01:45:45.383
Again, appreciate the
time to speak briefly.
01:45:46.260 --> 01:45:50.270
I just want to point out that,
in the State of California,
01:45:50.270 --> 01:45:54.060
the fastest growing job opportunity
01:45:54.060 --> 01:45:56.690
in the entire State of
California is the solar industry.
01:45:56.690 --> 01:45:58.690
That's just a simple fact,
01:45:58.690 --> 01:46:03.190
and I understand the goals
of lessening the burden
01:46:03.190 --> 01:46:04.930
on low-income residents of this state.
01:46:04.930 --> 01:46:06.940
I think we all share that,
01:46:06.940 --> 01:46:10.450
but let's not forget
that the fastest way
01:46:10.450 --> 01:46:12.810
for low-income residents of the state
01:46:12.810 --> 01:46:17.810
to become into the working
and middle class is a great job.
01:46:20.830 --> 01:46:25.270
And these, and the solar
sector provides economic mobility
01:46:25.270 --> 01:46:28.253
to move up and provide for your family.
01:46:29.090 --> 01:46:31.810
I know there's a lot of
hyperbole in, sometimes,
01:46:31.810 --> 01:46:35.290
from the solar industry about
the damage of these proposals.
01:46:35.290 --> 01:46:37.320
But I can tell you from
being on the ground
01:46:37.320 --> 01:46:39.010
and speaking with
thousands of customers,
01:46:39.010 --> 01:46:42.090
understanding what,
how they make decisions,
01:46:42.090 --> 01:46:44.600
the way that you have constructed
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:49.070
this net energy metering decision,
01:46:49.070 --> 01:46:51.820
the customer will not
make this business decision
01:46:51.820 --> 01:46:54.670
to go solar, and it
will cost (bell rings)
01:46:54.670 --> 01:46:55.770
thousands of jobs.
01:46:55.770 --> 01:46:56.920
I appreciate your time.
01:46:58.780 --> 01:46:59.890
Thank you for the call.
01:46:59.890 --> 01:47:01.403
Operator, next caller, please.
01:47:03.173 --> 01:47:04.940
Our next
caller is Corey Gilbert.
01:47:04.940 --> 01:47:05.790
You may go ahead.
01:47:07.560 --> 01:47:08.480
Hello, Commissioner.
01:47:08.480 --> 01:47:11.990
I hope everyone is ready
for a wonderful Christmas.
01:47:11.990 --> 01:47:13.860
I'm the owner of Infinity Energy.
01:47:13.860 --> 01:47:16.230
Myself and a thousand
California employees
01:47:16.230 --> 01:47:19.800
that I represent reject
the NEM 3.0 proposal.
01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:23.110
Passing the NEM 3 proposed
decision will be devastating
01:47:23.110 --> 01:47:25.940
to me, my family, and my employees.
01:47:25.940 --> 01:47:27.060
All of us have already had
01:47:27.060 --> 01:47:29.410
to endure 2020 COVID pandemic shutdowns,
01:47:29.410 --> 01:47:33.680
post pandemic 2021 supply
chain issues, inflation hardships,
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.550
and now this proposed
NEM 3 will shrink the market.
01:47:36.550 --> 01:47:39.230
We kept our team employed
during the COVID shutdown
01:47:39.230 --> 01:47:41.540
and lost money in 2020.
01:47:41.540 --> 01:47:43.130
We are rebuilding in 2021,
01:47:43.130 --> 01:47:45.920
despite inflationary
economic challenges.
01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:48.180
Now we are faced with the bleak 2022
01:47:48.180 --> 01:47:50.080
due to the NEM 3 proposal.
01:47:50.080 --> 01:47:53.030
We plan to add an
additional 250 California jobs
01:47:53.030 --> 01:47:56.450
this coming year, but
the NEM 3 will result
01:47:56.450 --> 01:47:58.700
in us letting go 800 employees.
01:47:58.700 --> 01:48:01.690
I urge you to reject this
terrible proposed decision.
01:48:01.690 --> 01:48:03.240
Please don't let the dirty past
01:48:03.240 --> 01:48:05.020
impact our kids' clean future.
01:48:05.020 --> 01:48:05.853
Thank you.
01:48:08.220 --> 01:48:09.053
Thank you.
01:48:09.053 --> 01:48:10.473
Operator, next caller, please.
01:48:12.595 --> 01:48:15.400
Our next caller
is Jeremy Roos, Ruth?
01:48:15.400 --> 01:48:16.250
You may go ahead.
01:48:17.430 --> 01:48:18.960
Hello. My
name is Jeremy Roos.
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.250
I'm the chief revenue
officer for FreeVolt USA
01:48:21.250 --> 01:48:22.830
in Palm Desert, California.
01:48:22.830 --> 01:48:25.410
And I'm opposed to the
proposed changes to net metering.
01:48:25.410 --> 01:48:27.360
I've been in the solar
industry for about eight years,
01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:29.620
the first five of resident sales.
01:48:29.620 --> 01:48:31.080
I love what I do.
01:48:31.080 --> 01:48:33.310
I have four kids from age four to 14,
01:48:33.310 --> 01:48:35.350
and I am the sole
provider for my family.
01:48:35.350 --> 01:48:37.407
My grandfather was a
power accountant for Edison
01:48:37.407 --> 01:48:39.890
and my sons have talked
about doing what I do.
01:48:39.890 --> 01:48:42.240
Synergy is something
of a family business.
01:48:42.240 --> 01:48:43.880
I've been through this before.
01:48:43.880 --> 01:48:46.550
I worked for Solar City in 2016
01:48:46.550 --> 01:48:49.320
when Imperial Irrigation
District eliminated net-metering.
01:48:49.320 --> 01:48:51.990
Our warehouse went from
installing 100 jobs per month
01:48:51.990 --> 01:48:53.600
to barely scratching 30.
01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:54.470
A few months later,
01:48:54.470 --> 01:48:56.470
they closed their
Coachella Valley location,
01:48:56.470 --> 01:48:58.710
which employed over 100 people.
01:48:58.710 --> 01:49:01.560
After IID's decision, I
saw many solar companies
01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:03.730
in my community go out of business.
01:49:03.730 --> 01:49:05.650
Through hard work and perseverance,
01:49:05.650 --> 01:49:08.320
I have been able to rebuild
my career in this industry.
01:49:08.320 --> 01:49:10.090
If you make these
changes to net metering,
01:49:10.090 --> 01:49:11.840
I don't see how I can do that again.
01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:13.610
I'll probably have to move.
01:49:13.610 --> 01:49:16.290
Please consider me and the
thousands of people like me
01:49:16.290 --> 01:49:18.070
and our families who depend on this.
01:49:18.070 --> 01:49:20.507
Our livelihoods are
on the line. Thank you.
01:49:22.660 --> 01:49:23.493
Thank you.
01:49:23.493 --> 01:49:25.807
Operator, next caller, please.
01:49:25.807 --> 01:49:28.270
Our next
caller is Robert Winn.
01:49:28.270 --> 01:49:29.120
You may go ahead.
01:49:35.220 --> 01:49:37.690
Hi. My name is Bob Winn.
01:49:37.690 --> 01:49:41.230
I've run a solar installation company
01:49:41.230 --> 01:49:43.203
in San Ramon for 16 years.
01:49:44.050 --> 01:49:46.690
We employ 16 people.
01:49:46.690 --> 01:49:51.130
I'm strongly against
the NEM 3.0 proposal.
01:49:51.130 --> 01:49:53.220
It will destroy our business.
01:49:53.220 --> 01:49:55.290
I'll be forced to shut down
01:49:55.290 --> 01:49:59.150
and lay off everyone
once this takes effect.
01:49:59.150 --> 01:50:00.600
Thank you very much. Bye-bye.
01:50:02.270 --> 01:50:03.690
Thank you for your call.
01:50:03.690 --> 01:50:05.403
Operator, next caller, please.
01:50:07.715 --> 01:50:10.110
Our next
caller is Alex Deeter.
01:50:10.110 --> 01:50:11.223
You may go ahead.
01:50:12.710 --> 01:50:14.570
Hi, my name is Alex Deeter
01:50:14.570 --> 01:50:18.130
with SunGreen Systems, a
solar company in Pasadena.
01:50:18.130 --> 01:50:20.000
I've worked in solar for nine years.
01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:23.390
I like my solar career because,
for generations before me,
01:50:23.390 --> 01:50:25.570
created a climate emergency.
01:50:25.570 --> 01:50:27.097
This proposal would kill my job
01:50:27.097 --> 01:50:29.810
and is a disaster for California.
01:50:29.810 --> 01:50:32.950
If you can change the rules
for preexisting agreements,
01:50:32.950 --> 01:50:36.050
how can anyone trust future
agreements like this one?
01:50:36.050 --> 01:50:38.380
You must reject this. Thank you.
01:50:38.380 --> 01:50:40.080
Please expand community solar
01:50:40.080 --> 01:50:41.613
and virtual net metering options
01:50:41.613 --> 01:50:44.337
to help renters like
myself have access to solar
01:50:44.337 --> 01:50:46.990
and renewable energy options.
01:50:46.990 --> 01:50:47.823
Thank you.
01:50:48.980 --> 01:50:49.813
Thank you.
01:50:49.813 --> 01:50:51.363
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:50:53.690 --> 01:50:57.020
Our next
caller is Aura Vasquez.
01:50:57.020 --> 01:50:57.870
You may go ahead.
01:51:01.120 --> 01:51:02.970
Hi, my name is Aura Vasquez.
01:51:02.970 --> 01:51:03.843
Can you hear me?
01:51:05.410 --> 01:51:06.980
Yes, we can. Please go ahead.
01:51:06.980 --> 01:51:08.120
Oh, thank you.
01:51:08.120 --> 01:51:09.160
I'm Aura Vasquez.
01:51:09.160 --> 01:51:10.500
I'm a former Commissioner
01:51:10.500 --> 01:51:13.410
for Los Angeles Department
of Water and Power.
01:51:13.410 --> 01:51:16.770
I'm also a resident and
renter here in Los Angeles,
01:51:16.770 --> 01:51:21.030
and I'm calling you to urge
you to not pass net metering
01:51:21.030 --> 01:51:22.510
as you are proposing.
01:51:22.510 --> 01:51:25.360
This is really going to
hurt people like myself,
01:51:25.360 --> 01:51:29.040
renters, low income,
and also people of color
01:51:29.040 --> 01:51:32.060
that are having already
a hard time adopting
01:51:32.060 --> 01:51:34.770
to solar and to renewable energy.
01:51:34.770 --> 01:51:37.930
Making solar more
expensive is not the solution.
01:51:37.930 --> 01:51:39.920
It's not going to help us get us
01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:42.430
to our greenhouse gas reduction goals.
01:51:42.430 --> 01:51:45.010
And it's certainly not
going to be helpful
01:51:45.010 --> 01:51:48.540
for our local economy and our state.
01:51:48.540 --> 01:51:49.373
Thank you so much.
01:51:49.373 --> 01:51:51.963
And I hope you have a
wonderful, wonderful holiday.
01:51:53.100 --> 01:51:54.330
Thank you.
01:51:54.330 --> 01:51:55.863
Operator, next caller, please.
01:51:59.195 --> 01:52:00.560
Our next
caller is Rob Holly
01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:01.820
with the Solar Rights Alliance.
01:52:01.820 --> 01:52:02.670
You may go ahead.
01:52:03.700 --> 01:52:05.160
Hi, this is Rob Holly
01:52:05.160 --> 01:52:06.790
from the Solar Rights Alliance.
01:52:06.790 --> 01:52:09.810
The proposal to crush rooftop
solar has been released.
01:52:09.810 --> 01:52:11.460
I want to focus on the new fine
01:52:11.460 --> 01:52:13.710
for merely putting solar on your roof.
01:52:13.710 --> 01:52:16.730
The authors feel that it's
necessary to send a clear message
01:52:16.730 --> 01:52:19.640
to the customer that they
are paying to use the grid.
01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:21.760
I find this particularly offensive.
01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:25.360
First, I bought over 4,600
kilowatt hours of power
01:52:25.360 --> 01:52:26.820
in the last 12 months.
01:52:26.820 --> 01:52:29.350
My solar cannot power my car by itself.
01:52:29.350 --> 01:52:31.620
Yes, I know I'm on the grid.
01:52:31.620 --> 01:52:34.340
Second, my battery is keeping
me off the grid at the times
01:52:34.340 --> 01:52:37.350
when you are asking us to conserve.
01:52:37.350 --> 01:52:39.500
Third, the authors turn somersaults
01:52:39.500 --> 01:52:43.180
to explain why conserving
power deserves a fine.
01:52:43.180 --> 01:52:44.220
On December 8th,
01:52:44.220 --> 01:52:47.900
a diverse coalition
delivered 100,025 comments
01:52:47.900 --> 01:52:48.800
to the Governor.
01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:50.800
He now owns the result.
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:52.570
Does he want to be the
Governor that's known
01:52:52.570 --> 01:52:54.740
for keeping solar from the middle-class,
01:52:54.740 --> 01:52:57.030
paving our open space with solar farms
01:52:57.030 --> 01:52:58.893
and putting thousands out of work?
01:53:00.010 --> 01:53:03.840
I urge you to kill NEM 3
as it's currently written.
01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:04.673
Thank you.
01:53:07.110 --> 01:53:08.341
Thank you for your call.
01:53:08.341 --> 01:53:11.692
Operator, next caller, please.
01:53:11.692 --> 01:53:14.091
Our next caller
is Rene Cruz Martinez.
01:53:14.091 --> 01:53:15.508
You may go ahead.
01:53:16.984 --> 01:53:17.899
Yes, hi, good morning.
01:53:17.899 --> 01:53:21.277
My name is Rene Cruz Martinez,
and I am an IBEW member.
01:53:21.277 --> 01:53:24.644
I'm also a rooftop
solar owner in California
01:53:24.644 --> 01:53:26.641
and calling in support
of the proposed decision
01:53:26.641 --> 01:53:29.848
on net energy metering as it totally,
01:53:29.848 --> 01:53:33.218
it's totally inequitable
and a very bad policy.
01:53:33.218 --> 01:53:35.427
While the proposed decision
could have done more
01:53:35.427 --> 01:53:37.218
to eliminate the wealth transfer,
01:53:37.218 --> 01:53:38.994
I support at least doing this.
01:53:38.994 --> 01:53:42.152
Thank you very much. Have a good day.
01:53:42.152 --> 01:53:43.041
Thank you.
01:53:43.041 --> 01:53:46.227
Operator, next caller, please.
01:53:46.227 --> 01:53:47.640
Our next
caller is Peter Stern
01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:50.000
with 180 Solar Power.
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:50.850
You may go ahead.
01:53:52.710 --> 01:53:53.723
Yeah. Hi.
01:53:55.420 --> 01:53:58.020
The purpose of the PUC
is to protect consumers
01:53:58.020 --> 01:54:01.610
from utility monopolies,
not the other way around.
01:54:01.610 --> 01:54:05.970
And there are currently
over a million solar systems
01:54:05.970 --> 01:54:08.440
that were purchased and
installed by private investors
01:54:08.440 --> 01:54:11.660
that pump gigawatts of
practically free electricity
01:54:11.660 --> 01:54:13.570
to these monopolies,
01:54:13.570 --> 01:54:16.050
which translates into billions
of dollars of free revenue
01:54:16.050 --> 01:54:17.640
to these monopolies who then turn around
01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:20.370
and sell it to their rate
payers at record high rates.
01:54:20.370 --> 01:54:21.203
And if it wasn't
01:54:21.203 --> 01:54:22.910
for the million privately
owned solar systems,
01:54:22.910 --> 01:54:24.120
the monopolies wouldn't even be able
01:54:24.120 --> 01:54:25.880
to meet Statewide demand
01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:27.500
since they funnel so
much of their profits
01:54:27.500 --> 01:54:29.970
out to their shareholders
and executives.
01:54:29.970 --> 01:54:33.090
So therefore, not only are
non-solar consumers not harmed
01:54:33.090 --> 01:54:34.100
by solar, but in fact,
01:54:34.100 --> 01:54:36.830
they benefit substantially
from the electricity
01:54:36.830 --> 01:54:39.210
that their solar neighbors produce.
01:54:39.210 --> 01:54:42.440
Lastly, my company provides
dozens of high paying jobs
01:54:42.440 --> 01:54:44.370
to hardworking Californians,
01:54:44.370 --> 01:54:45.890
all of which are going to be unemployed
01:54:45.890 --> 01:54:48.140
if your decision isn't rescinded.
01:54:48.140 --> 01:54:50.180
Your proposed NEM's
going to hurt consumers.
01:54:50.180 --> 01:54:51.350
It'll damage the environment.
01:54:51.350 --> 01:54:53.450
It'll kill hundreds of
thousands of jobs.
01:54:53.450 --> 01:54:55.080
Your job is to protect consumers
01:54:55.080 --> 01:54:56.990
from monopoly utility companies.
01:54:56.990 --> 01:54:59.237
Do your job, please. Thank you.
01:55:02.650 --> 01:55:03.720
Thank you.
01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:05.383
Operator, next caller, please.
01:55:06.860 --> 01:55:09.100
Our next caller
is Roberto van Dalen.
01:55:09.100 --> 01:55:09.963
You may go ahead.
01:55:12.340 --> 01:55:14.120
Commissioners,
my name is Roberto van Dalen
01:55:14.120 --> 01:55:15.330
from Valencia, California,
01:55:15.330 --> 01:55:17.980
and I've worked in the solar
industry for seven years.
01:55:17.980 --> 01:55:20.730
I read the proposed
decision in its entirety
01:55:20.730 --> 01:55:23.540
and some assumptions are
clearly not based in reality.
01:55:23.540 --> 01:55:26.580
They include dictating
what solar should be sold at
01:55:26.580 --> 01:55:28.170
instead of current market rates,
01:55:28.170 --> 01:55:31.250
thinking customers are fine
with 10 to 12 year paybacks,
01:55:31.250 --> 01:55:32.650
not taking into account the avoided cost
01:55:32.650 --> 01:55:34.610
of added transmission lines,
01:55:34.610 --> 01:55:37.660
the inability or unwillingness
of utilities to end blackouts
01:55:37.660 --> 01:55:39.630
or take care of their infrastructure,
01:55:39.630 --> 01:55:41.232
and the inability of utilities
01:55:41.232 --> 01:55:44.500
to properly support
the future electrification
01:55:44.500 --> 01:55:47.600
of California without a
concurrent growth in solar.
01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.730
Public utilities are blaming
their current problems
01:55:49.730 --> 01:55:52.190
on solar, instead of
taking responsibility
01:55:52.190 --> 01:55:53.740
for their shortcomings.
01:55:53.740 --> 01:55:56.250
While the immense benefits
of solar may be debated,
01:55:56.250 --> 01:55:59.150
one thing that can not be
debated is that, for many people,
01:55:59.150 --> 01:56:01.737
both in the field and in the
office and talking to customers
01:56:01.737 --> 01:56:04.150
who have devoted many
years to this industry,
01:56:04.150 --> 01:56:07.030
this proposed decision
would kill their jobs and mine.
01:56:07.030 --> 01:56:08.890
For the few who have
called in in support,
01:56:08.890 --> 01:56:11.300
the proposed decision
would not destroy their jobs.
01:56:11.300 --> 01:56:13.000
It would destroy mine.
01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:14.540
Based on the turnover in the Commission
01:56:14.540 --> 01:56:15.560
in the next two weeks,
01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:18.330
you must reject this proposed
decision and start over.
01:56:18.330 --> 01:56:19.696
Thank you for your consideration
01:56:19.696 --> 01:56:21.203
(bell rings)
and happy holiday.
01:56:23.810 --> 01:56:24.850
Thank you.
01:56:24.850 --> 01:56:27.270
Operator, next caller, please.
01:56:27.270 --> 01:56:29.200
Our next
caller is Laura Deehan
01:56:29.200 --> 01:56:31.490
with Environmental
California State Director.
01:56:31.490 --> 01:56:32.340
You may go ahead.
01:56:33.410 --> 01:56:36.700
Hello, the recent
joint agency report says
01:56:36.700 --> 01:56:39.230
we need to triple rooftop solar
01:56:39.230 --> 01:56:43.150
to get to our goals under SB 100.
01:56:43.150 --> 01:56:45.760
Our recent report,
Rooftop Solar at Risk found
01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:49.400
that cutting incentive has
an immediate chilling effect
01:56:49.400 --> 01:56:51.720
on rooftop solar adoption.
01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:56.170
The proposed NEM 3.0
monthly solar penalty charge
01:56:56.170 --> 01:56:59.560
would discourage solar
and storage adoption.
01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:02.160
Drastically slashing net
metering credits would
01:57:02.160 --> 01:57:04.570
also discourage solar
and storage adoption
01:57:04.570 --> 01:57:07.610
and cutting the
guaranteed length of time
01:57:07.610 --> 01:57:11.250
for existing solar customer
billing would discourage solar
01:57:11.250 --> 01:57:12.210
and storage adoption,
01:57:12.210 --> 01:57:16.280
as well as all future clean
energy adoption investments
01:57:16.280 --> 01:57:17.520
from consumers.
01:57:17.520 --> 01:57:20.840
That's the last thing we
should be doing right now.
01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:23.860
California can lead
the nation and the world
01:57:23.860 --> 01:57:26.930
and accelerate our transition
to a clean energy grid
01:57:26.930 --> 01:57:29.440
and solar and storage
can help us get there.
01:57:29.440 --> 01:57:32.170
This proposal would
jeopardize that goal.
01:57:32.170 --> 01:57:35.927
Please reject the preliminary
decision. Thank you.
01:57:38.307 --> 01:57:39.300
Thank you.
01:57:39.300 --> 01:57:41.000
Operator, the next caller, please.
01:57:43.244 --> 01:57:45.110
Our next
caller is Greg Albright
01:57:45.110 --> 01:57:46.460
with Freedom Forever.
01:57:46.460 --> 01:57:47.310
You may go ahead.
01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:52.370
Hello, Commissioners.
Thank you for your service.
01:57:52.370 --> 01:57:53.420
My name is Greg Albright,
01:57:53.420 --> 01:57:56.250
the founder and president
at Freedom Forever.
01:57:56.250 --> 01:58:00.850
I'm amazed by our company's
2,000 plus employees
01:58:00.850 --> 01:58:01.683
that have installed
01:58:01.683 --> 01:58:05.800
over 40,000 residential
rooftop solar systems.
01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:09.210
We've collaboratively
worked to reduce our costs
01:58:09.210 --> 01:58:12.080
and afford most California
homeowners the opportunity
01:58:12.080 --> 01:58:14.710
to join this clean energy transition.
01:58:14.710 --> 01:58:17.950
I hope and pray the Commission
will support this mission.
01:58:17.950 --> 01:58:20.590
Unfortunately, the utilities
are doing everything
01:58:20.590 --> 01:58:24.510
in their power to disrupt
and destroy our solar industry.
01:58:24.510 --> 01:58:28.160
This NEM 3.0 and
general disruption tactics
01:58:28.160 --> 01:58:31.070
by the utility undermine
all of our work,
01:58:31.070 --> 01:58:33.500
both present and future.
01:58:33.500 --> 01:58:35.260
Freedom and our solar industry want
01:58:35.260 --> 01:58:38.010
to sincerely thank the
utility and the Commission
01:58:38.010 --> 01:58:40.970
for providing us so
much energy to the state.
01:58:40.970 --> 01:58:43.570
I don't understand all the
challenges, but am confident,
01:58:43.570 --> 01:58:46.550
there is a solution for all
parties to be successful
01:58:46.550 --> 01:58:48.820
in this clean energy transition.
01:58:48.820 --> 01:58:52.310
For now, please throw out NEM 3.0.
01:58:52.310 --> 01:58:55.490
Let's make some time
and find equitable solutions
01:58:55.490 --> 01:58:58.530
to our state's clean energy transition.
01:58:58.530 --> 01:58:59.487
Thank you so much
for your consideration.
01:58:59.487 --> 01:59:02.060
(bell rings)
01:59:02.060 --> 01:59:03.423
Thank you for your call.
01:59:04.930 --> 01:59:06.430
Operator, next caller, please.
01:59:08.133 --> 01:59:09.780
Our next
caller is Jonathan Mooney
01:59:09.780 --> 01:59:11.220
with Pure Power Solutions.
01:59:11.220 --> 01:59:12.070
You may go ahead.
01:59:14.380 --> 01:59:15.410
Hi, my name
is Jonathan Mooney
01:59:15.410 --> 01:59:16.540
with Pure Power Solutions.
01:59:16.540 --> 01:59:19.080
I'm the head of technical
sales and project development
01:59:19.080 --> 01:59:20.480
with the company.
01:59:20.480 --> 01:59:25.480
We're a local installer and
developer up in the North Bay,
01:59:26.300 --> 01:59:27.993
Sonoma, Marin, Napa counties.
01:59:28.920 --> 01:59:30.620
We oppose NEM 3.0.
01:59:30.620 --> 01:59:34.057
We think that the logic
behind it is completely flawed
01:59:34.057 --> 01:59:36.383
and it needs to be
re-evaluated by the CPUC.
01:59:37.220 --> 01:59:38.860
I am a father of two,
01:59:38.860 --> 01:59:43.580
and many of the employees
on our staff are parents
01:59:43.580 --> 01:59:46.180
and support their family
through our industry
01:59:46.180 --> 01:59:48.390
that our citizens have worked so hard
01:59:48.390 --> 01:59:50.423
to help grow over the last 20 years.
01:59:51.970 --> 01:59:52.857
So, that's pretty much it.
01:59:52.857 --> 01:59:57.470
Thank you for your time and
please reconsider the decision.
01:59:57.470 --> 01:59:58.303
Happy holidays.
01:59:59.190 --> 02:00:01.010
Thank you for your call.
02:00:01.010 --> 02:00:03.310
Operator, next caller, please.
02:00:03.310 --> 02:00:05.640
Our next
caller is Chase Norton.
02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:06.490
You may go ahead.
02:00:09.010 --> 02:00:10.700
Hi everybody.
My name is Chase.
02:00:10.700 --> 02:00:12.340
I represent the energy company.
02:00:12.340 --> 02:00:14.590
We're based out of San Diego.
02:00:14.590 --> 02:00:17.130
And part of why I'm calling is
02:00:17.130 --> 02:00:21.740
because of the initiatives
set forth by SB 100.
02:00:21.740 --> 02:00:23.500
California's supposed to be on a path
02:00:23.500 --> 02:00:24.600
towards renewable energy.
02:00:24.600 --> 02:00:29.600
And this proposed NEM 3
would absolutely destroy that.
02:00:29.610 --> 02:00:32.460
Not only would it destroy
the growing solar industry,
02:00:32.460 --> 02:00:35.010
but it would also put a lot
of California homeowners
02:00:35.010 --> 02:00:38.360
in an economic
disparity that have solar.
02:00:38.360 --> 02:00:41.900
Many of our homeowners that
we work with weren't spending
02:00:41.900 --> 02:00:44.430
particularly high amounts on energy,
02:00:44.430 --> 02:00:47.547
but they wanted to go
solar to save more money
02:00:47.547 --> 02:00:48.980
and to save the planet.
02:00:48.980 --> 02:00:51.440
And this would not only be punishing us
02:00:51.440 --> 02:00:52.970
and ridding us of a job,
02:00:52.970 --> 02:00:55.650
but it would also be
punishing those homeowners.
02:00:55.650 --> 02:00:58.210
I urge you all to consider, reconsider,
02:00:58.210 --> 02:01:02.318
your decision on NEM
3.0 and say no to 3.0.
02:01:02.318 --> 02:01:03.151
Thank you.
02:01:04.573 --> 02:01:06.863
Thank you. Operator,
next caller please.
02:01:09.050 --> 02:01:10.700
Our next caller
is Renee Donaldson.
02:01:10.700 --> 02:01:11.550
You may go ahead.
02:01:13.870 --> 02:01:16.050
Hi, good
afternoon Commissioners.
02:01:16.050 --> 02:01:17.930
Thank you for taking the time.
02:01:17.930 --> 02:01:20.600
My name is Renee
Donaldson, CEO of EcoDirect.
02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:23.670
I've been working in
solar for the past decade
02:01:23.670 --> 02:01:26.840
and we've been in business since 2009.
02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:29.880
Since that time, we've helped
thousands of California's,
02:01:29.880 --> 02:01:31.760
Californians, fit solar on their homes
02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.410
and charging monthly
fees to new customers
02:01:34.410 --> 02:01:37.280
under NEM 3 will cost thousands of jobs
02:01:37.280 --> 02:01:39.170
and kill rooftop solar.
02:01:39.170 --> 02:01:42.130
This is a pivotal moment
where your decision will
02:01:42.130 --> 02:01:45.330
directly impact clean energy adoption.
02:01:45.330 --> 02:01:47.835
And the time for climate action is now.
02:01:47.835 --> 02:01:50.980
Independent energy should
not be reserved for the wealthy.
02:01:50.980 --> 02:01:53.700
This new plan makes
residential solar unfeasible
02:01:53.700 --> 02:01:57.280
for the middle class, and
we really need your support.
02:01:57.280 --> 02:01:59.050
I strongly encourage the CPUC
02:01:59.050 --> 02:02:02.170
to reject PG&E's NEM 3 proposal.
02:02:02.170 --> 02:02:04.330
There are alternative solutions.
02:02:04.330 --> 02:02:05.163
Thank you.
02:02:08.260 --> 02:02:10.460
Operator, please
bring on the next caller.
02:02:12.400 --> 02:02:14.520
Our next
caller is Anna Sciaruto.
02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:15.370
You may go ahead.
02:02:17.210 --> 02:02:18.520
Thank you,
caring Commissioners.
02:02:18.520 --> 02:02:22.030
My name is Anna Sciaruto
from the Bay Area Council.
02:02:22.030 --> 02:02:23.360
We encourage the CPUC
02:02:23.360 --> 02:02:25.560
to approve the proposed
decision's advancements,
02:02:25.560 --> 02:02:26.930
supporting customer equity
02:02:26.930 --> 02:02:29.100
while considering additional changes
02:02:29.100 --> 02:02:30.930
to further reduce the
burden on customers
02:02:30.930 --> 02:02:32.203
without rooftop solar.
02:02:33.220 --> 02:02:36.010
Net energy metering has
succeeded in its original mission
02:02:36.010 --> 02:02:37.950
to subsidize rooftop solar,
02:02:37.950 --> 02:02:40.950
but it's created problems
which can no longer be ignored.
02:02:40.950 --> 02:02:43.280
People without solar
panels, like renters,
02:02:43.280 --> 02:02:46.350
seniors and small
business owners are paying
02:02:46.350 --> 02:02:47.390
for generous subsidies
02:02:47.390 --> 02:02:49.880
that mainly benefit
well off property owners.
02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:52.510
That's neither fair nor sustainable.
02:02:52.510 --> 02:02:55.430
Today, with over 1.3 million
rooftop solar installations
02:02:55.430 --> 02:02:58.920
across California, the NEM
program has become a transfer
02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:02.250
of wealth from small businesses
and lower income households
02:03:02.250 --> 02:03:04.400
who cannot afford
the upfront investments
02:03:04.400 --> 02:03:06.463
of rooftop solar to those who can.
02:03:07.580 --> 02:03:08.870
The Commission's proposed decision
02:03:08.870 --> 02:03:11.120
on NEM is a step in the right direction
02:03:11.120 --> 02:03:14.100
to modernize California's
outdated rooftop solar program.
02:03:14.100 --> 02:03:15.750
Thank you for taking my comments.
02:03:21.930 --> 02:03:23.570
Thank you.
02:03:23.570 --> 02:03:25.670
Operator, please
bring on the next caller.
02:03:27.060 --> 02:03:28.990
Our next
caller is Chelsea Heil.
02:03:28.990 --> 02:03:29.840
You may go ahead.
02:03:32.660 --> 02:03:34.300
Thank you. Good
morning, Commissioners.
02:03:34.300 --> 02:03:37.357
I'm Chelsea Heil with The
Solar Quote from Lockeford
02:03:37.357 --> 02:03:40.060
and have worked in
solar for over eight years
02:03:40.060 --> 02:03:43.310
in addition to going to
college for four years
02:03:43.310 --> 02:03:45.450
to earn my BA in environmental studies,
02:03:45.450 --> 02:03:48.030
just to work in renewable energy.
02:03:48.030 --> 02:03:49.380
I'm here today to ask
02:03:49.380 --> 02:03:52.490
to keep my job and to keep my business.
02:03:52.490 --> 02:03:55.300
I'm incredibly thankful for
my job that has allowed me
02:03:55.300 --> 02:03:58.870
to become one of the few
women business owners
02:03:58.870 --> 02:04:00.810
and to work with so many successful
02:04:00.810 --> 02:04:02.730
and skilled solar workers.
02:04:02.730 --> 02:04:03.630
As a single mom,
02:04:03.630 --> 02:04:06.560
my solar job has allowed
me to provide for my daughter
02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:10.670
as well as all of our employees
and all of their families.
02:04:10.670 --> 02:04:13.400
I cannot imagine losing my job
02:04:13.400 --> 02:04:16.960
and having to tell our workers
that they are now unemployed
02:04:16.960 --> 02:04:20.230
because of this NEM 3 proposed decision,
02:04:20.230 --> 02:04:24.280
and then force them to find
a new job in a new industry
02:04:24.280 --> 02:04:26.220
in a post-pandemic world.
02:04:26.220 --> 02:04:28.550
I strongly urge our
Commissioners to think hard
02:04:28.550 --> 02:04:31.800
about the impact of
thousands of my solar friends
02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:34.430
and families losing their jobs.
02:04:34.430 --> 02:04:37.280
This proposal is unfair
for solar customers,
02:04:37.280 --> 02:04:38.469
solar workers,
(bell rings)
02:04:38.469 --> 02:04:39.840
and our environment.
02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:41.040
Thank you for listening.
02:04:44.620 --> 02:04:46.340
Thank you for the call.
02:04:46.340 --> 02:04:48.013
Next caller, please, operator.
02:04:49.510 --> 02:04:51.020
Our next
caller is Cynthia Lau.
02:04:51.020 --> 02:04:51.870
You may go ahead.
02:04:54.170 --> 02:04:55.070
Hello.
02:04:56.790 --> 02:04:58.123
Hello, please go ahead.
02:04:59.100 --> 02:05:00.560
Can you hear me?
02:05:00.560 --> 02:05:01.630
Yes, please go ahead.
02:05:01.630 --> 02:05:02.780
We can hear you.
Oh.
02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:06.040
Thank you.
02:05:06.040 --> 02:05:07.690
My name is Cynthia Lau
02:05:07.690 --> 02:05:12.020
and I am here on behalf of CAFE COOP.
02:05:12.020 --> 02:05:17.020
We are an organization that
promotes entrepreneurship,
02:05:17.160 --> 02:05:21.050
micro business, environmental
justice, and equity.
02:05:21.050 --> 02:05:23.080
We are also a member
02:05:23.080 --> 02:05:27.963
of the Coalition for Environmental
Equity and Economics.
02:05:29.210 --> 02:05:30.580
Here in the Central Valley,
02:05:30.580 --> 02:05:35.063
we live in one of the most polluted,
02:05:39.509 --> 02:05:41.620
committed neighborhoods,
02:05:41.620 --> 02:05:44.200
and we all know that
environmental justice
02:05:44.200 --> 02:05:47.120
and social justice
community are the first
02:05:47.120 --> 02:05:48.920
to suffer from the consequences
02:05:48.920 --> 02:05:51.270
of dependence on fossil fuels
02:05:51.270 --> 02:05:55.970
in air, water pollution,
and high asthma rates.
02:05:55.970 --> 02:05:58.910
These public health
impacts are the real cost
02:05:58.910 --> 02:06:03.720
when we slow down the
adoption of solar energy Statewide.
02:06:03.720 --> 02:06:07.573
We need to make solar
more affordable and,
02:06:09.120 --> 02:06:12.130
(bell rings)
02:06:12.130 --> 02:06:13.901
so we ask that you reconsider-
02:06:13.901 --> 02:06:17.376
I'm sorry, Cynthia.
Your time is up.
02:06:17.376 --> 02:06:19.290
Thank you for your call.
Oh, all right.
02:06:19.290 --> 02:06:20.890
Operator, next caller, please.
02:06:23.080 --> 02:06:24.830
Our next
caller is Al Sullivan.
02:06:24.830 --> 02:06:25.680
You may go ahead.
02:06:30.060 --> 02:06:31.360
My name is Paul Sullivan.
02:06:31.360 --> 02:06:33.940
I've been in solar for 16 years.
02:06:33.940 --> 02:06:37.380
The proposed decision before
us today is not a glide path,
02:06:37.380 --> 02:06:38.910
but rather a cliff.
02:06:38.910 --> 02:06:40.980
I made a major career move in the solar,
02:06:40.980 --> 02:06:43.670
to the solar industry back in 2005
02:06:43.670 --> 02:06:45.590
after I put solar on my home
02:06:45.590 --> 02:06:48.120
and it made such a huge
impact in my family's economics,
02:06:48.120 --> 02:06:49.890
I had to share it with others.
02:06:49.890 --> 02:06:51.280
Since then, I've been responsible
02:06:51.280 --> 02:06:54.010
for hundreds of people's
livelihoods in solar,
02:06:54.010 --> 02:06:55.530
from sales to administrative,
02:06:55.530 --> 02:06:58.200
to the installers that
make it all come together,
02:06:58.200 --> 02:07:00.190
not to mention the
thousands of homeowners
02:07:00.190 --> 02:07:03.890
that have helped their
economics from all walks of life.
02:07:03.890 --> 02:07:04.910
I know that every system
02:07:04.910 --> 02:07:06.950
that gets installed
makes a positive impact
02:07:06.950 --> 02:07:09.540
for that family and the
families of the solar workers.
02:07:09.540 --> 02:07:13.010
It pains me that this misaligned
proposal would jeopardize
02:07:13.010 --> 02:07:14.670
so many families' wellbeing,
02:07:14.670 --> 02:07:17.320
not to mention the current
customers' investment.
02:07:17.320 --> 02:07:20.820
If this gets ratified, those
people will lose their jobs.
02:07:20.820 --> 02:07:23.800
I can't emphasize the
severity of this enough.
02:07:23.800 --> 02:07:25.480
By implementing this decision,
02:07:25.480 --> 02:07:26.313
it would make certain
02:07:26.313 --> 02:07:28.900
that only the wealthiest of
homeowners would have access
02:07:28.900 --> 02:07:30.510
to solar and storage
02:07:30.510 --> 02:07:32.860
and would jettison California's
leading solar industry
02:07:32.860 --> 02:07:34.820
back to 1997
02:07:34.820 --> 02:07:37.460
with reduction in customer's
(bell rings)
02:07:37.460 --> 02:07:39.053
jobs, thank you for listening.
02:07:42.800 --> 02:07:43.633
Thank you.
02:07:43.633 --> 02:07:45.223
Operator, next caller, please.
02:07:46.750 --> 02:07:48.390
Our next
caller is Troy Tyler
02:07:48.390 --> 02:07:49.820
with Sun Light and Power.
02:07:49.820 --> 02:07:50.670
You may go ahead.
02:07:52.190 --> 02:07:53.140
Thank you.
02:07:53.140 --> 02:07:54.100
Good morning Commissioners.
02:07:54.100 --> 02:07:56.400
And thank you all for your service.
02:07:56.400 --> 02:07:57.410
I'm Troy Tyler.
02:07:57.410 --> 02:07:58.610
I represent Sun Light and Power,
02:07:58.610 --> 02:08:02.460
a 45 year old Northern California
solar and storage company.
02:08:02.460 --> 02:08:05.700
And I'm also a solar
homeowner since 2017.
02:08:05.700 --> 02:08:09.660
Sun Light and Power
directly employs 80 workers
02:08:09.660 --> 02:08:11.030
across Northern California
02:08:11.030 --> 02:08:15.990
and through our dozen of union
and non-union subcontractors,
02:08:15.990 --> 02:08:18.070
I know there are 100
workers in this state
02:08:18.070 --> 02:08:19.740
who all diligently work
02:08:19.740 --> 02:08:22.080
to deliver solar to
affordable housing facilities
02:08:22.080 --> 02:08:24.420
and businesses in our state.
02:08:24.420 --> 02:08:26.480
While it's scary enough
02:08:26.480 --> 02:08:30.410
that the NEM 3.0 proposed
decision will threaten
02:08:30.410 --> 02:08:32.040
the hundreds of jobs we've created,
02:08:32.040 --> 02:08:34.320
both union and non-union,
02:08:34.320 --> 02:08:35.760
the most shocking impact will be
02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.430
to our affordable housing clients.
02:08:38.430 --> 02:08:40.830
I personally talked to
affordable housing operators
02:08:40.830 --> 02:08:44.950
who absolutely rely on the
savings they get from solar
02:08:44.950 --> 02:08:49.410
to provide services to their
low-income apartment residents.
02:08:49.410 --> 02:08:52.560
So, I urge you to reject
the NEM proposed decision
02:08:52.560 --> 02:08:55.120
and start from scratch
in a collaborative process
02:08:55.120 --> 02:08:57.180
to support all stakeholders,
02:08:57.180 --> 02:08:59.430
to avoid the losses of thousands
02:08:59.430 --> 02:09:01.220
of union and non-union jobs,
02:09:01.220 --> 02:09:02.680
including IBEW
(bell rings)
02:09:02.680 --> 02:09:04.070
and iron workers unions
02:09:04.070 --> 02:09:08.030
and the threat to services
to low income residents.
02:09:08.030 --> 02:09:10.630
Thank you for your
consideration and happy holidays.
02:09:11.620 --> 02:09:12.572
Thank you.
02:09:12.572 --> 02:09:15.072
Operator, next caller, please.
02:09:16.504 --> 02:09:18.630
Our next caller
is Gaby Sarri-Tobar.
02:09:18.630 --> 02:09:19.480
You may go ahead.
02:09:25.850 --> 02:09:27.826
Hi, I'm Gaby Sarri-Tobar
02:09:27.826 --> 02:09:30.800
with the Center for
Biological Diversity.
02:09:30.800 --> 02:09:33.820
Today, I'm commenting on NEM 3.
02:09:33.820 --> 02:09:36.190
I am opposed to any proposals
02:09:36.190 --> 02:09:37.980
that would slow down the development
02:09:37.980 --> 02:09:40.180
and expansion of
distributed renewable energy,
02:09:40.180 --> 02:09:41.920
like rooftop solar,
02:09:41.920 --> 02:09:44.720
cutting net metering
in favor of new fees
02:09:44.720 --> 02:09:47.560
and reduced savings is a false solution
02:09:47.560 --> 02:09:51.030
and merely a distraction
from the real solutions
02:09:51.030 --> 02:09:53.680
the Commission must be implementing.
02:09:53.680 --> 02:09:56.000
The Commission should
be prioritizing investment
02:09:56.000 --> 02:09:58.170
and programs that would expand access
02:09:58.170 --> 02:10:00.870
to renewable energy and rooftop solar
02:10:00.870 --> 02:10:04.210
in low wealth communities
and communities of color.
02:10:04.210 --> 02:10:06.570
The right solution is to direct funding
02:10:06.570 --> 02:10:09.110
to low wealth and middle
income households,
02:10:09.110 --> 02:10:12.320
such as through rebates
and direct pay refundability
02:10:12.320 --> 02:10:14.053
for distributed renewables.
02:10:15.290 --> 02:10:16.960
To keep California on a path
02:10:16.960 --> 02:10:18.730
to tackling the climate emergency
02:10:18.730 --> 02:10:21.280
and leading the country
on solar expansion,
02:10:21.280 --> 02:10:23.130
the Commission must improve access
02:10:23.130 --> 02:10:25.610
by making rooftop solar more affordable
02:10:25.610 --> 02:10:27.530
rather than creating more fee systems
02:10:27.530 --> 02:10:29.820
that would deter people
from making the switch
02:10:29.820 --> 02:10:31.291
to renewable energy.
02:10:31.291 --> 02:10:34.361
Thank you.
02:10:34.361 --> 02:10:35.349
Thank you.
02:10:35.349 --> 02:10:37.849
Operator, next caller, please.
02:10:39.645 --> 02:10:41.435
And our
next caller is Michael.
02:10:41.435 --> 02:10:42.852
You may go ahead.
02:10:44.306 --> 02:10:45.719
Hi, my name is Michael.
02:10:45.719 --> 02:10:49.308
I'm a floor technician by
trade and an Air Force veteran.
02:10:49.308 --> 02:10:52.091
I think it's frustratingly ironic that,
02:10:52.091 --> 02:10:53.386
at the end of the opening statement,
02:10:53.386 --> 02:10:55.340
in which the chair and the
PUC wants to take credit
02:10:55.340 --> 02:10:57.589
for the historical deployment
we've seen in California
02:10:57.589 --> 02:10:58.715
in the last year,
02:10:58.715 --> 02:11:02.715
which we all know is a
direct result of NEM 2.0.
02:11:03.646 --> 02:11:05.755
The CPUC should be facilitating policy
02:11:05.755 --> 02:11:09.181
which promotes
resiliency and sustainability.
02:11:09.181 --> 02:11:11.548
And that means giving
residential electricity generators
02:11:11.548 --> 02:11:15.272
fair compensation for the
clean and renewable energy
02:11:15.272 --> 02:11:17.418
that we are creating from our rooftops.
02:11:17.418 --> 02:11:19.280
That's what we need to
be creating in the future.
02:11:19.280 --> 02:11:21.765
And if the CUPC wants to be complicit
02:11:21.765 --> 02:11:24.239
in destroying thousands of jobs
02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:28.685
and bottlenecking sustainable
energy and grid development
02:11:28.685 --> 02:11:32.835
in California, then they will
pass yes on this proposal.
02:11:32.835 --> 02:11:34.835
Thank you for your time.
02:11:35.902 --> 02:11:37.151
Thank you for your call.
02:11:37.151 --> 02:11:40.013
Operator, next caller, please.
02:11:40.013 --> 02:11:42.317
Our next
caller is Joe Holstein.
02:11:42.317 --> 02:11:44.530
You may go ahead.
02:11:44.530 --> 02:11:45.470
Yes, Joe Holstein,
02:11:45.470 --> 02:11:48.960
Central California solar
contractor for over 10 years,
02:11:48.960 --> 02:11:51.003
as well as a solar user.
02:11:52.040 --> 02:11:53.650
I respectfully ask the Commission
02:11:53.650 --> 02:11:58.580
to reconsider the way
this NEM 3 is written.
02:11:58.580 --> 02:11:59.660
It's horribly written.
02:11:59.660 --> 02:12:03.120
It doesn't benefit anybody,
the consumer, employees,
02:12:03.120 --> 02:12:06.720
the environment, and
helping us reach our goals.
02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:08.460
It'll affect thousands of families
02:12:08.460 --> 02:12:10.910
who depend on renewable energy.
02:12:10.910 --> 02:12:14.170
Renewable energy is the
future of, not only California,
02:12:14.170 --> 02:12:16.110
but our country and the future is here.
02:12:16.110 --> 02:12:17.770
We need to take
advantage of it, embrace it.
02:12:17.770 --> 02:12:21.060
And I ask that you reconsider
and rewrite this proposal
02:12:21.060 --> 02:12:22.180
for the benefit of everybody.
02:12:22.180 --> 02:12:24.623
Thank you so much for
your time and consideration.
02:12:25.550 --> 02:12:26.410
Thank you.
02:12:26.410 --> 02:12:27.993
Operator, next caller, please.
02:12:30.850 --> 02:12:32.430
Thank you, and
before we go to our next caller,
02:12:32.430 --> 02:12:34.330
again, if you would like
to make a public comment,
02:12:34.330 --> 02:12:36.900
please unmute your
phone, press star one,
02:12:36.900 --> 02:12:39.480
and record your first and
last name slowly and clearly,
02:12:39.480 --> 02:12:41.610
so I may introduce you.
02:12:41.610 --> 02:12:44.403
Our next caller is Ray
Vargas. You may go ahead.
02:12:47.430 --> 02:12:51.180
Yes, hi, I'm a volunteer
with EJCW and CAFE COOP
02:12:51.180 --> 02:12:52.200
and also CEEE.
02:12:53.312 --> 02:12:56.720
I'm calling to reject
the fee on rooftop solar.
02:12:56.720 --> 02:12:58.830
This pro, blah.
02:12:58.830 --> 02:13:01.660
This proposal is a blatant
slap in the face of citizens.
02:13:01.660 --> 02:13:03.800
It's shamelessly called a penalty.
02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:06.340
California is supposed
to be a climate warrior.
02:13:06.340 --> 02:13:08.550
Yet, those acting to make a
difference are being slapped
02:13:08.550 --> 02:13:10.450
with a punishment for their efforts.
02:13:10.450 --> 02:13:12.790
PG&E gets subsidized. People do not.
02:13:12.790 --> 02:13:15.150
PG&E doesn't even
maintain their equipment
02:13:15.150 --> 02:13:17.570
or infrastructure, and
they are being paid for it,
02:13:17.570 --> 02:13:18.690
while also causing fires
02:13:18.690 --> 02:13:20.890
and subjecting paying
clients to rolling blackouts
02:13:20.890 --> 02:13:22.090
and still getting bailouts
02:13:22.090 --> 02:13:24.230
and not even being held accountable.
02:13:24.230 --> 02:13:25.880
How does this make sense?
02:13:25.880 --> 02:13:29.050
Housing, water, energy and
internet are all basic needs
02:13:29.050 --> 02:13:31.250
and need to stop being
seen as a source of profit
02:13:31.250 --> 02:13:33.460
to greedy, obsolete corporations.
02:13:33.460 --> 02:13:34.293
Thank you.
02:13:36.330 --> 02:13:37.540
Thank you.
02:13:37.540 --> 02:13:39.040
Operator, next caller, please.
02:13:40.340 --> 02:13:42.360
Our next
caller is Alexander Diaz.
02:13:42.360 --> 02:13:43.210
You may go ahead.
02:13:45.530 --> 02:13:47.230
Hi. My
name is Alexander Diaz.
02:13:47.230 --> 02:13:50.620
I own and operate a
small consulting business
02:13:50.620 --> 02:13:54.760
and the net billing tariff
will directly affect me
02:13:54.760 --> 02:13:59.733
and my family and my way
of making, you know, a living.
02:14:00.700 --> 02:14:04.990
Also, it, I beg of you to
please reconsider any decision
02:14:04.990 --> 02:14:09.460
that will be made in the
near future about this tariff.
02:14:09.460 --> 02:14:13.250
It will destroy the lives
of many Californians
02:14:13.250 --> 02:14:18.250
and will directly affect
many people for a long time.
02:14:22.293 --> 02:14:27.033
You will be responsible for,
02:14:28.870 --> 02:14:32.070
more than likely, deaths of people.
02:14:32.070 --> 02:14:34.120
You know, people being stressed out
02:14:34.120 --> 02:14:36.110
and suicides that come along with this
02:14:36.950 --> 02:14:40.850
and solar renewable
energy is just a good thing.
02:14:40.850 --> 02:14:42.630
Please make the right decision
02:14:44.200 --> 02:14:46.130
when in regards to this.
02:14:46.130 --> 02:14:50.230
You know? I condemn
you guys if you approve this.
02:14:50.230 --> 02:14:52.470
This is a horrible idea.
02:14:52.470 --> 02:14:55.560
You need to reconsider.
(bell rings)
02:14:55.560 --> 02:14:57.210
Thank you very much.
02:14:57.210 --> 02:14:58.120
Thank you.
02:14:58.120 --> 02:15:00.020
Operator, next caller, please.
02:15:02.515 --> 02:15:04.470
Our next
caller is Kelly Taylor.
02:15:04.470 --> 02:15:05.320
You may go ahead.
02:15:06.360 --> 02:15:07.510
Hi, thank you very much.
02:15:07.510 --> 02:15:08.530
Thank you, Commissioners.
02:15:08.530 --> 02:15:11.770
I've been in the solar
industry almost six years.
02:15:11.770 --> 02:15:15.360
I came to this industry from
well over 20 years in finance.
02:15:15.360 --> 02:15:17.810
I understand numbers very, very well.
02:15:17.810 --> 02:15:19.170
The gravity of this decision
02:15:19.170 --> 02:15:23.200
that you are taking on
cannot be understated.
02:15:23.200 --> 02:15:27.203
The ripple effect it will
have across our country is,
02:15:28.220 --> 02:15:30.193
and to future generations,
02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:36.520
it's unspeakable how serious
and how grave the situation is.
02:15:37.720 --> 02:15:41.380
I want to speak to
the issue of inequity.
02:15:41.380 --> 02:15:43.270
There's nothing farther from the truth
02:15:43.270 --> 02:15:47.140
this is inequitable to lower
and middle income families.
02:15:47.140 --> 02:15:50.060
In my career, I've, I'm in
sales. I'm in the homes.
02:15:50.060 --> 02:15:51.830
I'm in the trenches.
I meet the families.
02:15:51.830 --> 02:15:52.853
I know what their incomes are.
02:15:52.853 --> 02:15:54.640
I take their credit applications.
02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:58.470
The majority of my clients, my
customers homes I've been in,
02:15:58.470 --> 02:16:00.820
have been lower and
middle income families.
02:16:00.820 --> 02:16:03.330
They save, I am at SDG&E,
02:16:03.330 --> 02:16:05.360
the highest electric
rates in the country.
02:16:05.360 --> 02:16:08.170
They get all financed for
solar and they get a loan
02:16:08.170 --> 02:16:10.210
that is fixed, so
payment will never go up.
02:16:10.210 --> 02:16:13.150
That is $50, $60, $70 less
02:16:13.150 --> 02:16:15.378
than their current SDG&E average bill.
02:16:15.378 --> 02:16:17.190
They are so,
(bell rings)
02:16:17.190 --> 02:16:18.550
They, fixed income,
02:16:18.550 --> 02:16:20.580
they cannot afford this increases.
02:16:20.580 --> 02:16:21.757
Please reconsider decision.
Kelly?
02:16:21.757 --> 02:16:24.970
Kelly, Kelly, thank you for
your call, but your time is up.
02:16:24.970 --> 02:16:25.803
Thank you.
02:16:27.400 --> 02:16:28.900
Operator, next caller, please.
02:16:30.590 --> 02:16:33.700
Our next caller
is from Randy Devy.
02:16:33.700 --> 02:16:34.550
You may go ahead.
02:16:35.980 --> 02:16:37.060
Yes. This is Randy.
02:16:37.060 --> 02:16:39.820
I was calling, I'm 65 years old
02:16:39.820 --> 02:16:41.373
and getting ready to retire.
02:16:42.270 --> 02:16:47.240
Solar has been a part of
my life for a lot of years.
02:16:47.240 --> 02:16:49.100
I have solar on my house.
02:16:49.100 --> 02:16:50.380
I don't know what we're going to do
02:16:50.380 --> 02:16:53.490
if we have to start paying
more money on our bills.
02:16:53.490 --> 02:16:56.510
You know, I've been a
devoted employee in California,
02:16:56.510 --> 02:16:58.870
been born and raised in California.
02:16:58.870 --> 02:16:59.820
I just don't understand
02:16:59.820 --> 02:17:03.300
what kind of a travesty this would be
02:17:03.300 --> 02:17:05.310
and why you would vote that in.
02:17:05.310 --> 02:17:08.580
If you do, I think we need to look,
02:17:08.580 --> 02:17:11.247
start looking at who you
are and start figuring out
02:17:11.247 --> 02:17:13.530
how to get other people representing us.
02:17:13.530 --> 02:17:15.710
'Cause apparently
you're not representing us,
02:17:15.710 --> 02:17:17.303
if this is the way that you go.
02:17:18.170 --> 02:17:22.890
You need to look at what
you're doing and it's not right.
02:17:22.890 --> 02:17:25.120
You shouldn't be making these decisions.
02:17:25.120 --> 02:17:26.530
Maybe it's time we go to the public
02:17:26.530 --> 02:17:28.020
and see who we can get in the office
02:17:28.020 --> 02:17:29.420
that's doing the right decisions.
02:17:29.420 --> 02:17:30.253
Thank you.
02:17:32.630 --> 02:17:33.790
Thank you.
02:17:33.790 --> 02:17:35.173
Operator, next caller.
02:17:36.890 --> 02:17:38.860
Our next
caller is Paul Woodworth.
02:17:38.860 --> 02:17:39.710
You may go ahead.
02:17:42.060 --> 02:17:43.573
Good day, Commissioners.
02:17:45.230 --> 02:17:49.030
Been working in the field
for 20 years here doing solar
02:17:49.030 --> 02:17:52.880
and the proposed decision
02:17:52.880 --> 02:17:56.740
that you've put out
there is just very difficult
02:17:56.740 --> 02:17:58.640
for us to survive,
02:17:58.640 --> 02:18:02.170
even before the final decision is made,
02:18:02.170 --> 02:18:06.210
with taking away already promised terms
02:18:06.210 --> 02:18:07.700
of interconnection agreements
02:18:07.700 --> 02:18:12.700
and reaching beyond the
meter to our own backyards,
02:18:12.820 --> 02:18:16.500
where we have the right
to generate our own energy
02:18:16.500 --> 02:18:18.410
and putting a tax upon that,
02:18:18.410 --> 02:18:21.380
like if we grew a
garden in our backyard,
02:18:21.380 --> 02:18:24.130
and when we went to the
grocery store to get more food,
02:18:24.130 --> 02:18:26.670
we were taxed for
growing our own garden.
02:18:26.670 --> 02:18:29.610
I hope that your takeaway
with all these calls is
02:18:29.610 --> 02:18:33.130
that something that we made
our decision on wasn't right.
02:18:33.130 --> 02:18:35.060
The data was incorrect
02:18:36.240 --> 02:18:39.790
because this is a bomb
to the solar industry.
02:18:39.790 --> 02:18:42.800
Moving forward, we need
to be able to leave a legacy,
02:18:42.800 --> 02:18:45.590
looking at our kids in the
eyes that we have done good.
02:18:45.590 --> 02:18:47.853
And that movement forward
for us, in climate change,
02:18:47.853 --> 02:18:49.170
it's going to involve
02:18:49.170 --> 02:18:52.560
both distributed resources and central.
02:18:52.560 --> 02:18:54.920
You obliterate us,
(bell rings)
02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:56.110
thank you.
02:18:56.110 --> 02:18:57.450
Thank you, Paul.
02:18:57.450 --> 02:18:59.243
Operator, the next caller, please.
02:19:02.030 --> 02:19:04.220
Our next
caller is Karim Khan.
02:19:04.220 --> 02:19:05.070
You may go ahead.
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:08.600
Hi, thank you so much
02:19:08.600 --> 02:19:11.900
for the chance to talk to you.
02:19:11.900 --> 02:19:15.400
My partner and I, we just
bought a home in the last year
02:19:15.400 --> 02:19:18.620
and we made a decision
to invest in solar panels.
02:19:18.620 --> 02:19:21.310
It was a very significant
investment for us.
02:19:21.310 --> 02:19:24.190
So, you know, I was really shocked
02:19:24.190 --> 02:19:25.810
when I heard that the proposal
02:19:25.810 --> 02:19:28.740
before you today would
retroactively reduce the length
02:19:28.740 --> 02:19:31.220
of the net energy metering 2.0 program
02:19:31.220 --> 02:19:33.540
from 20 years to 15 years.
02:19:33.540 --> 02:19:36.140
We made a, our investment decision
02:19:36.140 --> 02:19:38.990
based on 20 years of participation.
02:19:38.990 --> 02:19:42.786
I recognize that changes to
future NEM programs have
02:19:42.786 --> 02:19:46.120
to happen to ensure
fairness for all rate payers.
02:19:46.120 --> 02:19:49.960
But, and I understand
the rationale that, yes,
02:19:49.960 --> 02:19:53.940
we should have gotten it
paid back within 15 years,
02:19:53.940 --> 02:19:56.160
but I don't think you
need an economic analysis
02:19:56.160 --> 02:20:00.650
to understand why it's not
right to change the terms
02:20:00.650 --> 02:20:04.350
that were presented
to people retroactively.
02:20:04.350 --> 02:20:05.550
It's just not right.
02:20:05.550 --> 02:20:06.430
It's not fair.
02:20:06.430 --> 02:20:09.060
We made our decisions
based on that information
02:20:09.060 --> 02:20:12.480
and it takes away credibility
from the Commission.
02:20:12.480 --> 02:20:14.970
How are we going to trust
(bell rings)
02:20:14.970 --> 02:20:17.570
future programs if you do that.
02:20:17.570 --> 02:20:19.363
So please reconsider. Thank you.
02:20:21.090 --> 02:20:22.120
Thank you.
02:20:22.120 --> 02:20:23.263
Operator, next caller.
02:20:25.140 --> 02:20:27.690
Our next
caller is Joshua Ponce.
02:20:27.690 --> 02:20:28.583
You may go ahead.
02:20:30.250 --> 02:20:31.940
Hi, this is Joshua Ponce.
02:20:31.940 --> 02:20:34.100
I'm calling as a solar installer
02:20:34.100 --> 02:20:37.280
and a father in opposition
NEM 3 proposal.
02:20:37.280 --> 02:20:39.230
We're at a critical time in our history
02:20:39.230 --> 02:20:40.880
where renewable energy is crucial
02:20:40.880 --> 02:20:42.730
to our survival as a species.
02:20:42.730 --> 02:20:45.880
Rooftop solar is one of the few options
02:20:45.880 --> 02:20:47.850
that we have to combat climate change
02:20:47.850 --> 02:20:50.430
and slowing down the
rollout of this technology
02:20:50.430 --> 02:20:52.150
at this time is unthinkable.
02:20:52.150 --> 02:20:54.890
Please keep rooftop solar affordable
02:20:54.890 --> 02:20:57.290
and reject the NEM 3 proposal.
02:20:57.290 --> 02:20:58.490
Thank you for your time.
02:21:00.590 --> 02:21:01.970
Thank you for your call.
02:21:01.970 --> 02:21:03.720
Operator, your next caller, please.
02:21:05.988 --> 02:21:08.500
Our next caller
is from Jon Landsman.
02:21:08.500 --> 02:21:09.350
You may go ahead.
02:21:11.000 --> 02:21:11.880
Hello, Commissioners.
02:21:11.880 --> 02:21:13.540
I'm in my 10th year in solar,
02:21:13.540 --> 02:21:15.170
currently working as a sales director
02:21:15.170 --> 02:21:18.720
for the Solar Bill Review
Team in the East Bay, California.
02:21:18.720 --> 02:21:21.390
I'm calling to oppose NEM 3.0.
02:21:21.390 --> 02:21:23.040
You've heard from a lot
of different people today
02:21:23.040 --> 02:21:26.130
on this call ranging from
prominent members of society
02:21:26.130 --> 02:21:27.560
to the common man.
02:21:27.560 --> 02:21:30.250
If you put out the NEM
3.0 as a barometer
02:21:30.250 --> 02:21:32.200
to see how people would react to it,
02:21:32.200 --> 02:21:33.840
you can clearly see
how important this is
02:21:33.840 --> 02:21:36.380
to so many taking time out of their day
02:21:36.380 --> 02:21:37.940
to voice their opinions.
02:21:37.940 --> 02:21:39.660
There's a lot of passion from people
02:21:39.660 --> 02:21:41.760
about solar in California.
02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:43.580
People have appealed
to you from the standpoint
02:21:43.580 --> 02:21:46.800
of providing logical reasons
to pure emotional reasons.
02:21:46.800 --> 02:21:49.200
I will appeal to you
on an emotional basis.
02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.630
Like so many, I'm a sole
provider of my household.
02:21:51.630 --> 02:21:54.290
And NEM 3.0, as it's
currently positioned,
02:21:54.290 --> 02:21:57.960
will clearly destroy this
industry as well as my livelihood.
02:21:57.960 --> 02:22:01.020
I'd like to appeal to you
also on a pulled back view,
02:22:01.020 --> 02:22:03.240
does this pass the reasonable test?
02:22:03.240 --> 02:22:06.870
Do you feel you could explain
NEM 3.0 to your children,
02:22:06.870 --> 02:22:09.220
grandchildren, and neighbors,
02:22:09.220 --> 02:22:12.350
and tell them how this is an
improvement for both sides?
02:22:12.350 --> 02:22:13.690
If your answer is no,
02:22:13.690 --> 02:22:15.870
then I would ask you
to reject this proposal
02:22:15.870 --> 02:22:17.690
and go back to the drawing Board.
02:22:17.690 --> 02:22:18.523
I'm sure there
02:22:18.523 --> 02:22:19.360
are much better solutions
(bell rings)
02:22:19.360 --> 02:22:21.840
that we can come up with
that would be more equitable.
02:22:21.840 --> 02:22:23.940
Thank you for your
time and consideration.
02:22:25.150 --> 02:22:27.723
Thank you. Operator,
the next caller, please.
02:22:29.440 --> 02:22:31.440
Our next caller
is Landon Fornelius.
02:22:31.440 --> 02:22:32.643
You may go ahead.
02:22:35.520 --> 02:22:36.790
Hi, how's it going?
02:22:36.790 --> 02:22:37.863
Thank you so much.
02:22:39.090 --> 02:22:42.140
My name is Landon, I work
as a solar sales manager.
02:22:42.140 --> 02:22:44.403
Just want to say thank you to the CPUC.
02:22:44.403 --> 02:22:46.560
It's done some really, really,
02:22:46.560 --> 02:22:50.580
made some really good
stands supporting the people.
02:22:50.580 --> 02:22:52.150
You've kind of really
had the people's back
02:22:52.150 --> 02:22:54.850
with these net metering
changes and things,
02:22:54.850 --> 02:22:56.351
and you've really, really had our back
02:22:56.351 --> 02:22:59.100
and I think we all would
appreciate everything you've done.
02:22:59.100 --> 02:23:01.143
This net metering 3.0 though,
02:23:02.410 --> 02:23:05.520
definitely like the
definition of selling out.
02:23:05.520 --> 02:23:06.840
Not calling you a sell out,
02:23:06.840 --> 02:23:11.840
but it would be like the biggest
sellout move of the century
02:23:11.910 --> 02:23:14.160
to let this net metering 3.0 pass.
02:23:14.160 --> 02:23:17.810
It, like it just doesn't
support the people.
02:23:17.810 --> 02:23:19.130
It's definitely just jumps
02:23:19.130 --> 02:23:21.770
right in the pockets of investors.
02:23:21.770 --> 02:23:24.380
So stand your ground.
You've always had our back.
02:23:24.380 --> 02:23:25.750
We appreciate you for it.
02:23:25.750 --> 02:23:28.560
Please throw NEM 3.0 in
the trash where it belongs.
02:23:28.560 --> 02:23:29.393
Thank you.
02:23:32.140 --> 02:23:32.973
Thank you.
02:23:32.973 --> 02:23:34.733
Operator, next caller, please.
02:23:37.260 --> 02:23:39.410
Our next
caller is from Will Abrams.
02:23:39.410 --> 02:23:40.260
You may go ahead.
02:23:42.709 --> 02:23:45.430
Good morning Commissioners.
My name is Will Abrams.
02:23:45.430 --> 02:23:48.060
I wanted to call in
today to encourage you
02:23:48.060 --> 02:23:51.180
to engage in U.S. District
Court in front of Judge Alsop
02:23:52.210 --> 02:23:56.640
to support restitution
for PG&E victims like me
02:23:56.640 --> 02:23:59.440
as a condition of PG&E probation
02:23:59.440 --> 02:24:01.850
who are unjustly waiting
on PG&E's stock price
02:24:01.850 --> 02:24:04.750
to rebuild their homes and their lives.
02:24:04.750 --> 02:24:06.820
Additionally, I wanted
to bring your attention
02:24:06.820 --> 02:24:09.610
and ask for your support
of my motion in that court
02:24:09.610 --> 02:24:13.360
to strengthen the conditions
of probation for PG&E.
02:24:13.360 --> 02:24:15.480
The U.S. Attorney just responded today
02:24:15.480 --> 02:24:17.790
and said that PG&E's
report does not appear
02:24:17.790 --> 02:24:20.270
to provide a clear-eyed self-assessment
02:24:20.270 --> 02:24:24.670
of the company's progresses,
challenges and plans.
02:24:24.670 --> 02:24:26.580
We have alternatives.
02:24:26.580 --> 02:24:29.180
We should look at
structural changes to PG&E
02:24:29.180 --> 02:24:31.250
as conditions of probation.
02:24:31.250 --> 02:24:33.330
There are financial mechanisms.
02:24:33.330 --> 02:24:37.490
There are structural changes
that can be mandated for PG&E
02:24:37.490 --> 02:24:41.100
to continue at the end
of their probation period.
02:24:41.100 --> 02:24:45.110
I ask your for support and
analysis of these proposals.
02:24:45.110 --> 02:24:46.313
Thanks very much.
02:24:48.590 --> 02:24:49.980
Thank you, Mr. Abrams.
02:24:49.980 --> 02:24:51.633
Operator, the next call, please.
02:24:53.890 --> 02:24:55.840
Our next
caller is Sander Kushen.
02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:56.690
You may go ahead.
02:24:58.060 --> 02:25:00.390
Hi there, my
name is Sander Kushen.
02:25:00.390 --> 02:25:04.380
I am the advocate for
CALPIRG Education Fund,
02:25:04.380 --> 02:25:07.720
the California Public
Interest Research Group,
02:25:07.720 --> 02:25:12.020
a consumer advocacy
organization and I'm calling today
02:25:12.020 --> 02:25:15.150
in strong opposition to
the preliminary decision
02:25:15.150 --> 02:25:16.600
on net metering.
02:25:16.600 --> 02:25:21.510
The CAISO projects that
rooftop solar saved rate payers
02:25:21.510 --> 02:25:25.140
2.6 billion in avoided
transmission costs
02:25:25.140 --> 02:25:29.100
and more local solar saves
consumers and society
02:25:29.100 --> 02:25:31.390
from harms of pollution.
02:25:31.390 --> 02:25:34.930
And this decision would
cut consumer confidence
02:25:34.930 --> 02:25:39.040
by changing the solar
customer billing rules midstream.
02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:42.170
It would cut consumer
confidence by cutting the length
02:25:42.170 --> 02:25:45.110
of the existing agreements by 25%
02:25:45.110 --> 02:25:47.960
after they already made the investment.
02:25:47.960 --> 02:25:52.400
And I'm concerned that
this would have a killing effect
02:25:52.400 --> 02:25:55.530
on any consumer investment
in clean energy solutions.
02:25:55.530 --> 02:25:59.300
So, please don't punish
consumers for supporting clean air
02:25:59.300 --> 02:26:02.740
and going solar and reject
this preliminary decision.
02:26:02.740 --> 02:26:03.573
Thank you.
02:26:05.935 --> 02:26:07.490
Thank you.
02:26:07.490 --> 02:26:09.073
Operator, next caller, please.
02:26:11.300 --> 02:26:13.050
Our next
caller is Brett Levin.
02:26:13.050 --> 02:26:13.900
You may go ahead.
02:26:15.270 --> 02:26:17.280
Hi there. My
name is Brett Levin.
02:26:17.280 --> 02:26:22.280
I am a solar sales engineer
with a background in economics
02:26:24.210 --> 02:26:29.110
and environmental
management from Yale University.
02:26:29.110 --> 02:26:34.110
I have studied this
proposal pretty extensively,
02:26:34.270 --> 02:26:39.270
and I strongly encourage
you to reconsider
02:26:39.410 --> 02:26:42.930
and reject net energy metering 3.0.
02:26:44.950 --> 02:26:48.330
It is a regressive policy.
02:26:48.330 --> 02:26:53.330
There are other ways in which
the same ends can be achieved
02:26:55.020 --> 02:26:59.463
and working in solar sales
for the last number of years,
02:27:00.320 --> 02:27:04.210
I have worked with
countless middle-class families
02:27:04.210 --> 02:27:09.210
and lower income families
who have genuinely benefited
02:27:09.900 --> 02:27:13.093
from the net energy
metering 2.0 policies.
02:27:14.300 --> 02:27:16.280
I highly encourage you,
02:27:16.280 --> 02:27:18.330
if you would like to
reach out to me directly
02:27:18.330 --> 02:27:22.350
to discuss this further, but there is,
02:27:22.350 --> 02:27:26.110
this is really a tragedy
(bell rings)
02:27:26.110 --> 02:27:27.563
of the policy if passed.
02:27:28.502 --> 02:27:29.335
Thank you.
02:27:31.833 --> 02:27:32.666
Thank you.
02:27:32.666 --> 02:27:33.953
Operator, next caller, please.
02:27:36.114 --> 02:27:38.610
Our next
caller is Brian Lamoreaux.
02:27:38.610 --> 02:27:39.460
You may go ahead.
02:27:41.820 --> 02:27:44.200
Hi, I own a small business
02:27:44.200 --> 02:27:47.250
that's focused in on
design and engineering
02:27:47.250 --> 02:27:50.830
of residential and small
commercial solar market.
02:27:50.830 --> 02:27:55.830
This sector has been my
livelihood for 20 years, since 2002.
02:27:57.020 --> 02:28:02.020
And if this proposal goes
through, I will lose my job.
02:28:02.090 --> 02:28:05.030
I'm the sole proprietor for my family
02:28:05.030 --> 02:28:08.640
and I have three children.
02:28:08.640 --> 02:28:11.040
One of my kids is in college.
02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:14.223
I would have to restart
my career at 45 years old.
02:28:16.222 --> 02:28:19.600
The CPUC, being in solar for so long,
02:28:19.600 --> 02:28:23.120
I recall when the CPUC
used to champion solar
02:28:23.120 --> 02:28:25.563
and put California in
a leadership position.
02:28:26.990 --> 02:28:30.443
I implore you to reject the proposal.
02:28:31.703 --> 02:28:35.220
And I also just want
to ask you right now
02:28:35.220 --> 02:28:37.720
to see if you can
feel into the testimony
02:28:37.720 --> 02:28:39.760
and comments that are being provided
02:28:39.760 --> 02:28:43.290
and see if you can distinguish
between the authenticity
02:28:43.290 --> 02:28:45.370
of those who stand to lose their jobs
02:28:46.970 --> 02:28:48.720
and those on fixed income
(bell rings)
02:28:48.720 --> 02:28:52.470
with the somewhat canned
comments from unions
02:28:52.470 --> 02:28:55.180
who do the bidding of
the utility companies.
02:28:55.180 --> 02:28:56.013
Thank you.
02:28:58.930 --> 02:29:01.103
Thank you. Operator,
next caller, please.
02:29:02.609 --> 02:29:04.530
Our next
caller is Andrew Stock.
02:29:04.530 --> 02:29:05.380
You may go ahead.
02:29:06.760 --> 02:29:08.063
Yes. Can you hear me?
02:29:09.820 --> 02:29:11.623
Yes, Andrew.
Hi.
02:29:11.623 --> 02:29:13.170
Yes, hi.
Andrew, please go ahead.
02:29:13.170 --> 02:29:15.380
Yes, hi. My
name is Andrew Stock.
02:29:15.380 --> 02:29:16.680
I am a managing partner
02:29:16.680 --> 02:29:19.280
at a solar company out of Sacramento.
02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:22.000
I, just like everyone else on this call,
02:29:22.000 --> 02:29:24.860
I'm obviously opposed the
way the NEM is written currently.
02:29:24.860 --> 02:29:26.890
We've got about 100 employees here
02:29:26.890 --> 02:29:30.490
whose lives are ruined,
including my own.
02:29:30.490 --> 02:29:32.470
There's tens of thousands
of solar workers, right?
02:29:32.470 --> 02:29:34.656
We've heard this over and over today.
02:29:34.656 --> 02:29:35.680
Then you've got homeowners
02:29:35.680 --> 02:29:37.730
who no longer have an option,
02:29:37.730 --> 02:29:41.210
other than the monopoly
that utilities are asking for.
02:29:41.210 --> 02:29:42.740
Surely we don't want that.
02:29:42.740 --> 02:29:45.660
There has to be a way to
make in an NEM three policy
02:29:45.660 --> 02:29:48.830
that works for all
parties involved, right?
02:29:48.830 --> 02:29:52.770
As it is right now, it
only benefits utilities.
02:29:52.770 --> 02:29:53.960
In that argument that I heard earlier,
02:29:53.960 --> 02:29:56.772
someone said, that the
NEM, the way it is today,
02:29:56.772 --> 02:29:59.630
NEM 2 transfers wealth
from low income people
02:29:59.630 --> 02:30:02.160
to the wealthy, total baloney.
02:30:02.160 --> 02:30:04.700
There is no big
upfront cost to go solar.
02:30:04.700 --> 02:30:06.840
I know the CPUC knows that.
02:30:06.840 --> 02:30:09.850
The CPUC is supposed
to be like a watchdog, right?
02:30:09.850 --> 02:30:11.580
Protect us from the utilities.
02:30:11.580 --> 02:30:15.940
So please do not approve
NEM 3 as it is proposed.
02:30:15.940 --> 02:30:18.070
Protect the citizens
of California, right?
02:30:18.070 --> 02:30:20.333
Not just utilities.
Thank you for your time.
02:30:22.730 --> 02:30:23.900
Thank you for your call.
02:30:23.900 --> 02:30:25.633
Operator, next caller, please.
02:30:27.530 --> 02:30:29.470
Our next
caller is Perry Samios
02:30:29.470 --> 02:30:30.920
with Allterra Solar.
02:30:30.920 --> 02:30:31.770
You may go ahead.
02:30:33.120 --> 02:30:35.230
Yes, hello.
Thank you for your time.
02:30:35.230 --> 02:30:36.610
Hey, just calling in,
02:30:36.610 --> 02:30:39.670
kind of more on a personal
ground level with a grain of salt
02:30:39.670 --> 02:30:41.993
of some of may
default in previous calls.
02:30:43.060 --> 02:30:43.960
Two kids in college,
02:30:43.960 --> 02:30:46.660
oh, two kids in high school,
going on to college next year.
02:30:46.660 --> 02:30:48.770
We just purchased our first home
02:30:48.770 --> 02:30:50.823
with my solar career of over a decade.
02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:54.620
Hearing this news is downright scary,
02:30:54.620 --> 02:30:57.620
52 years old, at this point,
02:30:57.620 --> 02:31:00.543
where I thought the path
was paved, it being pulled out.
02:31:01.610 --> 02:31:04.670
You know? I know I'm
not alone in this, with this.
02:31:04.670 --> 02:31:09.410
And yeah, just want to take
an appreciation from the PUC
02:31:09.410 --> 02:31:12.517
and appreciate everyone
taking time for this contribution.
02:31:14.910 --> 02:31:15.800
Thank you.
02:31:15.800 --> 02:31:17.300
Operator, next caller, please.
02:31:21.720 --> 02:31:23.800
Our next caller
is from Erica Jewkes
02:31:23.800 --> 02:31:25.650
with Harness Power.
02:31:25.650 --> 02:31:26.500
You may go ahead.
02:31:28.120 --> 02:31:29.410
Hi, I'm Erica Jewkes,
02:31:29.410 --> 02:31:31.490
a mother of two little boys
who moved here from Utah
02:31:31.490 --> 02:31:32.570
where the power is cheap
02:31:32.570 --> 02:31:35.490
but the air quality is horrible
because they burn coal.
02:31:35.490 --> 02:31:36.680
My little boy had asthma,
02:31:36.680 --> 02:31:38.840
so we moved to sunny San
Diego to help homeowners
02:31:38.840 --> 02:31:41.560
and businesses go
solar and save the planet.
02:31:41.560 --> 02:31:44.500
This proposal is horrible
for everybody involved
02:31:44.500 --> 02:31:46.610
except the monopolized utilities.
02:31:46.610 --> 02:31:49.330
You can't take back the 20
year grandfathering you promised
02:31:49.330 --> 02:31:50.530
and put in a contract.
02:31:50.530 --> 02:31:52.010
That is illegal.
02:31:52.010 --> 02:31:54.760
Please do the right thing
and reject this proposal,
02:31:54.760 --> 02:31:57.590
so everyone doesn't have
to move out of California.
02:31:57.590 --> 02:31:59.970
I have helped hundreds
of homeowners go solar,
02:31:59.970 --> 02:32:02.040
being in the industry
for over eight years
02:32:02.040 --> 02:32:06.070
and I help a lot of low income
and older families get solar.
02:32:06.070 --> 02:32:07.210
Please do the right thing
02:32:07.210 --> 02:32:11.010
and vote no on prop 3, net metering 3.
02:32:11.010 --> 02:32:11.843
Thank you.
02:32:12.889 --> 02:32:13.722
Thank you.
02:32:14.570 --> 02:32:16.070
Next caller, please, operator.
02:32:17.690 --> 02:32:21.230
Okay, and our
next caller is Neha Shavasus.
02:32:21.230 --> 02:32:22.860
You may go ahead.
02:32:22.860 --> 02:32:24.630
Hi, good afternoon.
02:32:24.630 --> 02:32:26.920
Thank you for, this is Neha Shevaso.
02:32:26.920 --> 02:32:29.254
I'm calling from Central Cal.
02:32:29.254 --> 02:32:32.380
I've been in the solar
industry for 12 years now
02:32:32.380 --> 02:32:35.580
and I really, I moved to
solar from civil engineering
02:32:35.580 --> 02:32:37.840
because I felt like
this was an opportunity
02:32:37.840 --> 02:32:40.390
to do the right thing for the planet.
02:32:40.390 --> 02:32:44.310
This NEM 3, this
position is not supporting
02:32:46.950 --> 02:32:50.660
either solar industries
or those who want
02:32:50.660 --> 02:32:53.920
to do the right thing for the planet.
02:32:53.920 --> 02:32:55.000
There are so many ways
02:32:55.000 --> 02:32:57.740
this policy decision seems regressive.
02:32:57.740 --> 02:33:01.200
And I know of many people
who would be affected,
02:33:01.200 --> 02:33:06.140
including myself, as my
job is in solar industry.
02:33:06.140 --> 02:33:10.740
I request you to reconsider
and change the position.
02:33:10.740 --> 02:33:11.573
Thank you.
02:33:13.460 --> 02:33:14.293
Thank you.
02:33:14.293 --> 02:33:15.820
Operator, next caller, please.
02:33:18.290 --> 02:33:19.380
And President
Batjer, at this time,
02:33:19.380 --> 02:33:20.980
we have no additional callers
02:33:20.980 --> 02:33:22.830
on the public comment telephone line.
02:33:24.030 --> 02:33:26.130
Okay. Operator,
thank you very much.
02:33:26.130 --> 02:33:28.010
I appreciate that.
02:33:28.010 --> 02:33:30.260
With no more callers on the line,
02:33:30.260 --> 02:33:32.520
the public comment period is now closed.
02:33:32.520 --> 02:33:35.380
I want to thank everyone
who called in this morning
02:33:35.380 --> 02:33:39.230
and I want to thank you in
particular for waiting patiently
02:33:39.230 --> 02:33:44.230
in the queue as there were
over 120 people that called in
02:33:44.300 --> 02:33:46.140
and voiced their concerns
02:33:46.140 --> 02:33:48.260
and their ideas and their appreciation.
02:33:48.260 --> 02:33:51.100
So, thank you all very much.
02:33:51.100 --> 02:33:52.730
Public comment period is closed.
02:33:52.730 --> 02:33:57.730
We will take a break for 15 minutes.
02:33:58.880 --> 02:34:00.870
It is 12:40.
02:34:00.870 --> 02:34:05.870
We will be back at 12:55, 12:55.
02:34:11.690 --> 02:34:12.710
Thank you
all for standing by.
02:34:12.710 --> 02:34:14.130
Today's conference has resumed.
02:34:14.130 --> 02:34:16.400
President Batjer, you may proceed.
02:34:16.400 --> 02:34:17.920
Thank you, operator.
02:34:17.920 --> 02:34:21.493
We now need to establish a
quorum since we've taken a break.
02:34:22.590 --> 02:34:25.433
Would the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
02:34:26.910 --> 02:34:28.360
Commissioner Houck?
02:34:29.420 --> 02:34:30.253
Here.
02:34:31.362 --> 02:34:32.912
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:34:33.800 --> 02:34:34.633
Present.
02:34:35.996 --> 02:34:38.483
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:34:38.483 --> 02:34:40.754
Here.
02:34:40.754 --> 02:34:43.254
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:34:43.254 --> 02:34:44.820
Here.
02:34:44.820 --> 02:34:46.170
President Batjer?
02:34:47.240 --> 02:34:49.360
I am here. So we have
established quorum.
02:34:49.360 --> 02:34:50.623
Thank you very much.
02:34:51.780 --> 02:34:53.730
Moving on into our agenda,
02:34:53.730 --> 02:34:57.093
I'm going to announce now
the changes in today's agenda.
02:34:57.950 --> 02:35:02.370
Item two will be held until
the meeting on the first,
02:35:02.370 --> 02:35:06.250
or excuse me, January 13th, 2022.
02:35:06.250 --> 02:35:10.020
Item 21 will be taken up
with the regular agenda today.
02:35:10.020 --> 02:35:12.780
Item 32 will be held until the meeting
02:35:12.780 --> 02:35:15.786
of January 13th, 2022.
02:35:15.786 --> 02:35:19.280
Item 33 will be held until this meeting
02:35:19.280 --> 02:35:23.240
on January 13th, 2022.
02:35:23.240 --> 02:35:25.860
Item 44 has been withdrawn.
02:35:25.860 --> 02:35:29.893
Item 60 will be taken up with
the Consent Agenda today.
02:35:30.760 --> 02:35:32.200
Okay. Thank you.
02:35:32.200 --> 02:35:34.410
We will now take up the consent items.
02:35:34.410 --> 02:35:35.803
Is there a motion?
02:35:37.740 --> 02:35:38.573
So moved.
02:35:39.600 --> 02:35:40.630
Second?
02:35:40.630 --> 02:35:42.380
Okay. It's been moved and seconded.
02:35:44.440 --> 02:35:47.283
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
02:35:48.840 --> 02:35:50.003
Commissioner Houck?
02:35:51.560 --> 02:35:52.393
Yes.
02:35:53.435 --> 02:35:55.723
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:35:55.723 --> 02:35:56.556
Aye.
02:35:57.833 --> 02:36:00.310
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:36:00.310 --> 02:36:01.143
Yes.
02:36:02.620 --> 02:36:04.701
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:36:04.701 --> 02:36:05.534
Aye.
02:36:06.599 --> 02:36:09.005
President Batjer?
02:36:09.005 --> 02:36:09.838
Aye.
02:36:09.838 --> 02:36:10.671
Thank you.
02:36:10.671 --> 02:36:14.930
The Consent Agenda items
have been passed unanimously.
02:36:14.930 --> 02:36:19.250
We will now take up
the regular agenda items
02:36:21.520 --> 02:36:25.773
and we will first start with item 21,
02:36:26.630 --> 02:36:31.630
which is going to be
presented by Director Randolph,
02:36:32.950 --> 02:36:35.910
Deputy Executive Director of Energy,
02:36:35.910 --> 02:36:37.630
and Pete Scala,
02:36:37.630 --> 02:36:42.033
Director of Efficiency,
Electrification and Procurement.
02:36:42.900 --> 02:36:46.663
Gentlemen, would you like
to present item number 21?
02:36:48.530 --> 02:36:49.700
Good morning, Commissioners.
02:36:49.700 --> 02:36:50.720
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:36:50.720 --> 02:36:52.820
And once again, I'm Edward Randolph,
02:36:52.820 --> 02:36:55.920
Deputy Executive Director
for Energy and Climate Policy.
02:36:55.920 --> 02:37:00.270
And I'll be quick before
handing it off to Mr. Scala.
02:37:00.270 --> 02:37:04.100
I just wanted to take this
opportunity with this resolution
02:37:04.100 --> 02:37:07.180
to extend the same thanks
02:37:07.180 --> 02:37:09.840
that all of you extended
to the teams working
02:37:09.840 --> 02:37:13.810
on summer reliability for
the last two years out there,
02:37:13.810 --> 02:37:16.370
and I'm not going to go
through and name them all.
02:37:16.370 --> 02:37:20.900
But from our RA teams,
our micro grid teams,
02:37:20.900 --> 02:37:25.900
our demand response
teams, energy efficiency teams,
02:37:26.350 --> 02:37:28.810
integrated resource planning
teams, and quite frankly,
02:37:28.810 --> 02:37:30.390
across all of energy division,
02:37:30.390 --> 02:37:35.390
It has been a tremendous
effort to get resources online
02:37:35.760 --> 02:37:38.667
for both this summer and last summer.
02:37:38.667 --> 02:37:40.760
And this resolution
is just one small part
02:37:40.760 --> 02:37:41.860
of the ongoing efforts.
02:37:41.860 --> 02:37:43.290
So, I just wanted to extend my thanks
02:37:43.290 --> 02:37:44.840
before handing it over to Pete.
02:37:46.510 --> 02:37:48.660
Thank you. That's
very thoughtful of you.
02:37:49.750 --> 02:37:51.453
Yes, Mr. Scala?
02:37:52.700 --> 02:37:55.810
Thank you, Ed, and good
afternoon Commissioners.
02:37:55.810 --> 02:37:56.760
Next slide, please.
02:38:02.140 --> 02:38:05.490
So to provide some
context for this resolution,
02:38:05.490 --> 02:38:06.580
last February and March,
02:38:06.580 --> 02:38:09.840
the first two summer
reliability proceeding decisions
02:38:09.840 --> 02:38:11.520
directed the investor owned utilities
02:38:11.520 --> 02:38:15.920
to procure 1,000 to 1,500
megawatts of incremental capacity
02:38:15.920 --> 02:38:16.753
beyond the current
02:38:16.753 --> 02:38:19.750
15% resource adequacy
planning reserve margin
02:38:19.750 --> 02:38:23.170
for the summers of 2021 and 2022.
02:38:23.170 --> 02:38:26.810
And they expressed a preference
for energy storage projects.
02:38:26.810 --> 02:38:28.340
Given the need for SWIFT action,
02:38:28.340 --> 02:38:30.110
these decisions authorized the utilities
02:38:30.110 --> 02:38:32.690
to procure the majority
of these resources
02:38:32.690 --> 02:38:35.240
via Tier 1 advice
letter, but any proposals
02:38:35.240 --> 02:38:38.190
for utility owned resources
required Tier 2 advice letters.
02:38:39.320 --> 02:38:41.570
Subsequent to the adoption
of these two decisions,
02:38:41.570 --> 02:38:44.620
Governor Newsome issued an
emergency proclamation in July
02:38:44.620 --> 02:38:47.970
that, among other things,
requested that the CPUC work
02:38:47.970 --> 02:38:51.180
with the state's load serving
entities on accelerating plans
02:38:51.180 --> 02:38:53.300
for new clean energy
and storage projects
02:38:53.300 --> 02:38:56.700
to mitigate the risk
of capacity shortages.
02:38:56.700 --> 02:38:58.340
And most recently, you approved
02:38:58.340 --> 02:39:00.900
the final summer reliability
proceeding decision
02:39:00.900 --> 02:39:03.030
in the December 2nd business meeting,
02:39:03.030 --> 02:39:05.020
which extended the
emergency procurement period
02:39:05.020 --> 02:39:06.950
through summer 2023
02:39:06.950 --> 02:39:11.170
and increased the utilities
contingency procurement target
02:39:11.170 --> 02:39:13.220
from 1,000 to 15,000 megawatts
02:39:13.220 --> 02:39:15.463
up to 2,000 to 3,000 megawatts.
02:39:17.140 --> 02:39:18.090
Next slide, please.
02:39:23.040 --> 02:39:27.170
Edison's advice letter
4617-E seeks approval
02:39:27.170 --> 02:39:29.090
of an emergency reliability contract
02:39:29.090 --> 02:39:32.730
for 537 and a half megawatts
of lithium ion batteries
02:39:32.730 --> 02:39:35.300
located at three Edison substations
02:39:35.300 --> 02:39:38.313
at a nominal cost of $1.226 billion.
02:39:40.460 --> 02:39:43.030
Edison's share of the
summer reliability proceeding's
02:39:43.030 --> 02:39:48.030
target range is 900 to 1,350 megawatts.
02:39:49.300 --> 02:39:51.960
These three projects would
meet 60% of the low end
02:39:51.960 --> 02:39:53.320
of Edison's target range
02:39:53.320 --> 02:39:55.530
and 40% of the high end of the range.
02:39:55.530 --> 02:39:56.550
Or in other words,
02:39:56.550 --> 02:39:59.060
they would meet half of the
midpoints of Edison share
02:39:59.060 --> 02:40:01.310
of the summer reliability
procurement target.
02:40:03.100 --> 02:40:05.580
The proposed contract has a 15 year term
02:40:05.580 --> 02:40:10.580
and an online date of August 1st, 2022.
02:40:10.860 --> 02:40:12.560
And the contract contains provisions
02:40:12.560 --> 02:40:15.900
such as termination rights
and liquidated damages for the,
02:40:15.900 --> 02:40:19.900
for unexcused delays
that incent the developer
02:40:19.900 --> 02:40:21.853
to deliver the project on time.
02:40:23.170 --> 02:40:24.300
These projects will serve
02:40:24.300 --> 02:40:26.800
as load modifying distribution resources
02:40:26.800 --> 02:40:28.840
for approximately five years
02:40:28.840 --> 02:40:30.330
until the projects receive
02:40:30.330 --> 02:40:33.440
their wholesale distribution
access tariff, or WDAT,
02:40:33.440 --> 02:40:35.653
interconnection into the CAISO system.
02:40:37.500 --> 02:40:38.450
Next slide, please.
02:40:41.610 --> 02:40:44.010
16 parties filed protests or replies
02:40:44.010 --> 02:40:45.570
to Edison's advice letter.
02:40:45.570 --> 02:40:48.790
The protests expressed
four main concerns.
02:40:48.790 --> 02:40:52.360
They were concerned that
Edison was cutting the WDAT queue
02:40:52.360 --> 02:40:54.260
and crowding out third-party projects.
02:40:55.110 --> 02:40:57.060
They disagreed that
these projects were eligible
02:40:57.060 --> 02:40:58.990
for a CEQA exemption.
02:40:58.990 --> 02:41:01.090
They objected to the
cost of the projects,
02:41:02.105 --> 02:41:04.270
and they expressed
concerns about the viability
02:41:04.270 --> 02:41:07.070
of getting these projects
online by the contracted date.
02:41:08.020 --> 02:41:09.573
And I'll note here,
since I mentioned earlier,
02:41:09.573 --> 02:41:11.970
that the summer
reliability decisions required
02:41:11.970 --> 02:41:15.050
Tier 2 advice letters for
utility owned resources,
02:41:15.050 --> 02:41:17.200
that Edison did file
a Tier 2 advice letter,
02:41:17.200 --> 02:41:18.610
which is typically handled
02:41:18.610 --> 02:41:21.150
via an industry division
disposition letter,
02:41:21.150 --> 02:41:22.500
but given the number of protests,
02:41:22.500 --> 02:41:25.007
as well as the complexity
and cost of the contract,
02:41:25.007 --> 02:41:28.453
staff elected to address the
advice letter via resolution.
02:41:31.640 --> 02:41:32.940
Next slide, please.
02:41:35.250 --> 02:41:39.580
Resolution E-5183 approved
the proposed contract
02:41:39.580 --> 02:41:43.690
and finds that Edison
is leveraging its position
02:41:43.690 --> 02:41:45.290
as a distribution system owner
02:41:45.290 --> 02:41:47.140
to bring these projects online quickly
02:41:47.140 --> 02:41:49.520
in response to the Governor's
emergency declaration
02:41:49.520 --> 02:41:51.350
and our summer reliability decision
02:41:52.296 --> 02:41:54.140
and that this approach
is not inappropriate
02:41:54.140 --> 02:41:56.130
under the circumstances.
02:41:56.130 --> 02:41:58.640
The resolution also finds that
these projects will be added
02:41:58.640 --> 02:42:00.330
to the end of the WDAT queue.
02:42:00.330 --> 02:42:02.700
So, they are not cutting the queue,
02:42:02.700 --> 02:42:04.140
but there are additional opportunities
02:42:04.140 --> 02:42:06.053
for third-party contracts with Edison.
02:42:07.380 --> 02:42:09.190
That Edison is taking reasonable steps
02:42:09.190 --> 02:42:11.650
to mitigate impacts
of third party projects,
02:42:11.650 --> 02:42:15.060
such as wires, upgrades, and
additional transformer banks
02:42:15.060 --> 02:42:17.240
that increase available capacity,
02:42:17.240 --> 02:42:19.670
even that of the additional
electrical requirements
02:42:19.670 --> 02:42:20.503
of the battery,
02:42:21.820 --> 02:42:24.050
that a CEQA exemption
for actions necessary
02:42:24.050 --> 02:42:26.100
to prevent or mitigate
an emergency applies
02:42:26.100 --> 02:42:27.113
to these projects,
02:42:28.410 --> 02:42:29.410
that while expensive,
02:42:29.410 --> 02:42:31.060
the cost of these projects is reasonable
02:42:31.060 --> 02:42:33.263
given the expedited
development timeline,
02:42:34.950 --> 02:42:37.230
that it is appropriate to recover costs
02:42:37.230 --> 02:42:39.110
through distribution rates initially,
02:42:39.110 --> 02:42:41.160
and then through the
cost allocation mechanism,
02:42:41.160 --> 02:42:44.010
once the projects are
interconnected to the CAISO system,
02:42:45.030 --> 02:42:47.150
and finally, that these
resources are not eligible
02:42:47.150 --> 02:42:49.920
to count towards the IRP
mid-term reliability goals,
02:42:49.920 --> 02:42:53.150
given Edison's proposed use
of the cost allocation mechanism
02:42:53.150 --> 02:42:55.083
for the duration of the contract term.
02:42:57.470 --> 02:42:59.130
This concludes my presentation
02:42:59.130 --> 02:43:01.410
and I'm available to answer
any questions you have
02:43:01.410 --> 02:43:02.660
regarding the resolution.
02:43:18.245 --> 02:43:19.912
We're not hearing,
02:43:21.890 --> 02:43:22.723
Pete?
02:43:24.140 --> 02:43:25.190
Yes?
02:43:25.190 --> 02:43:26.140
Are you finished?
02:43:27.010 --> 02:43:29.602
Yeah, I said,
that concludes my,
02:43:29.602 --> 02:43:30.846
Oh, I'm sorry.
02:43:30.846 --> 02:43:33.780
My presentation, and I'm
open to questions at this point,
02:43:33.780 --> 02:43:34.673
if anyone has any.
02:43:34.673 --> 02:43:36.245
I'm not hearing any questions, but I'm,
02:43:36.245 --> 02:43:37.480
(Marybel laughs)
02:43:37.480 --> 02:43:40.720
I have one question,
President Batjer.
02:43:40.720 --> 02:43:44.370
Yes, Commissioner Guzman
Aceves, please, go ahead.
02:43:44.370 --> 02:43:45.686
And then I have some remarks,
Yes, thanks.
02:43:45.686 --> 02:43:47.410
I'd like to make.
02:43:47.410 --> 02:43:50.710
Great. Just a quick question,
before we get into that.
02:43:50.710 --> 02:43:53.725
Can you remind me how the,
02:43:53.725 --> 02:43:55.663
is this a canned resource?
02:43:57.070 --> 02:43:58.939
How's it recovering for the-
Yeah.
02:43:58.939 --> 02:43:59.960
Yeah.
02:43:59.960 --> 02:44:01.210
Yeah, well, it will be,
02:44:02.270 --> 02:44:07.220
the cost will be recovered
through distribution charges
02:44:07.220 --> 02:44:11.810
until the WDAT approvals,
02:44:11.810 --> 02:44:14.220
interconnection is approved
into the CAISO system.
02:44:14.220 --> 02:44:16.290
At which point, they will switch over
02:44:16.290 --> 02:44:17.940
and be collected through the can.
02:44:20.940 --> 02:44:22.960
You good now, Martha?
02:44:22.960 --> 02:44:24.990
Yes, thank you for the time.
02:44:24.990 --> 02:44:25.910
You bet. All right.
02:44:25.910 --> 02:44:29.520
I just want to say very
much, thank you, Ed and Pete,
02:44:29.520 --> 02:44:31.460
for presenting the resolution.
02:44:31.460 --> 02:44:35.400
And I really want to thank
our energy division staff,
02:44:35.400 --> 02:44:38.420
Simone Brant, and
management, Jaime Gannon,
02:44:38.420 --> 02:44:42.823
and Molly Sterkel for
their work on this matter.
02:44:44.040 --> 02:44:45.710
I want to note that we are
02:44:45.710 --> 02:44:48.740
in a significant energy
reliability situation,
02:44:48.740 --> 02:44:50.400
as everyone knows.
02:44:50.400 --> 02:44:53.740
We are facing a large gap
in the amount of resources
02:44:53.740 --> 02:44:57.700
we have to ensure
reliability of our current grid
02:44:57.700 --> 02:45:02.240
in the face of a more extreme
climate driven weather events,
02:45:02.240 --> 02:45:04.320
as we saw earlier this summer,
02:45:04.320 --> 02:45:07.390
and of course, we witnessed last summer.
02:45:07.390 --> 02:45:08.223
In this case,
02:45:08.223 --> 02:45:10.800
Edison has been able to
leverage its unique position
02:45:10.800 --> 02:45:13.760
as an IOU and
distribution center operator
02:45:13.760 --> 02:45:17.070
to move forward with
the shovel-ready projects
02:45:17.070 --> 02:45:20.030
that can respond to our
emergency procurement needs
02:45:20.030 --> 02:45:22.830
as somewhat outlined
in the presentation.
02:45:22.830 --> 02:45:25.630
That said, we will
be vigilant in ensuring
02:45:25.630 --> 02:45:27.360
that Edison makes sure
02:45:27.360 --> 02:45:30.700
that existing staff
resources are not diverted
02:45:30.700 --> 02:45:32.680
to utility owned storage project
02:45:32.680 --> 02:45:35.980
from third-party interconnection
or procurement work
02:45:35.980 --> 02:45:38.840
which is also extremely
important right now.
02:45:38.840 --> 02:45:41.260
This resolution and project does not,
02:45:41.260 --> 02:45:44.120
doesn't represent any trend
02:45:44.120 --> 02:45:48.260
other than our desire to
have more resources online
02:45:48.260 --> 02:45:49.603
as soon as possible.
02:45:50.810 --> 02:45:53.300
I will be supporting this resolution.
02:45:53.300 --> 02:45:54.380
Thank you very much.
02:45:54.380 --> 02:45:59.380
Are there any other questions
or comments to item number 21?
02:46:00.260 --> 02:46:01.950
Yes, Commissioner Houck
02:46:01.950 --> 02:46:03.750
and then Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:46:06.280 --> 02:46:08.287
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:46:09.300 --> 02:46:11.284
I'd like to thank energy division staff,
02:46:11.284 --> 02:46:14.322
particularly Simone
Brant and Jaime Gannon
02:46:14.322 --> 02:46:16.260
for all of the work on this item.
02:46:16.260 --> 02:46:20.110
This resolution, as has been
stated in the presentation
02:46:20.110 --> 02:46:21.300
and by you, President Batjer,
02:46:21.300 --> 02:46:24.500
builds upon recent
Commission actions to respond
02:46:24.500 --> 02:46:27.010
to Governor Newsome's
emergency proclamation
02:46:27.010 --> 02:46:29.000
to prevent near term electric outages
02:46:29.000 --> 02:46:30.470
during extreme weather events
02:46:30.470 --> 02:46:33.320
and to ensure summer
electric reliability.
02:46:33.320 --> 02:46:35.650
While I look forward to a
time when we no longer need
02:46:35.650 --> 02:46:37.700
to consider emergency procurements
02:46:37.700 --> 02:46:39.560
as new resources are brought online
02:46:39.560 --> 02:46:41.390
through the regular IRP process,
02:46:41.390 --> 02:46:44.390
I also appreciate that these
energy storage contracts
02:46:44.390 --> 02:46:47.320
represent a significant
amount of new capacity
02:46:47.320 --> 02:46:50.520
that will help prevent potential
widespread service outages
02:46:50.520 --> 02:46:51.750
while greatly contributing
02:46:51.750 --> 02:46:55.120
towards Southern
California Edison's 17.5%
02:46:55.120 --> 02:46:58.570
to 19% reliability
planning reserve margin
02:46:58.570 --> 02:47:01.320
that was adopted by the
Commission earlier this year.
02:47:01.320 --> 02:47:03.010
I also appreciate the findings
02:47:03.010 --> 02:47:05.240
from staff and the independent evaluator
02:47:05.240 --> 02:47:07.400
that the contract was
generally competitive
02:47:07.400 --> 02:47:10.930
with other bilateral
negotiations and solicitations,
02:47:10.930 --> 02:47:13.880
given the expedited nature
of the development timeline
02:47:13.880 --> 02:47:15.790
and contract provisions,
02:47:15.790 --> 02:47:17.800
as well as the direction
and the resolution
02:47:17.800 --> 02:47:21.250
for Southern California Edison
not to divert resources away
02:47:21.250 --> 02:47:24.680
from other third-party
interconnection or procurement work
02:47:24.680 --> 02:47:25.710
and with these comments,
02:47:25.710 --> 02:47:27.993
I will also be supporting this item.
02:47:29.800 --> 02:47:30.890
Thank you, Commissioner.
02:47:30.890 --> 02:47:32.527
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
02:47:34.060 --> 02:47:35.870
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:47:35.870 --> 02:47:39.840
I just wanted to also
share my excitement
02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:41.490
for this type of procurement
02:47:41.490 --> 02:47:45.717
and recognize Edison
in being proactive here.
02:47:45.717 --> 02:47:47.390
And of course, in our staff work
02:47:47.390 --> 02:47:51.480
in making this come together
on such a timely manner.
02:47:51.480 --> 02:47:53.690
This is one of the,
02:47:53.690 --> 02:47:56.080
given so much of the
discussion for this morning,
02:47:56.080 --> 02:47:58.830
I think it's so important to acknowledge
02:47:58.830 --> 02:48:00.287
that these are the types of resources
02:48:00.287 --> 02:48:03.410
that benefit all rate payers.
02:48:03.410 --> 02:48:05.810
Not only do they
benefit all rate payers,
02:48:05.810 --> 02:48:07.790
they're attacking the
major problem we have
02:48:07.790 --> 02:48:09.900
with our fossil dependency,
02:48:09.900 --> 02:48:13.683
which is at the net peak
hours when the sun is down.
02:48:14.530 --> 02:48:16.890
From my perspective,
these are the investments
02:48:16.890 --> 02:48:19.490
that should be
prioritized for Californians.
02:48:19.490 --> 02:48:22.900
In addition, given this
is in Edison territory,
02:48:22.900 --> 02:48:26.850
the other great benefit that
I see is that this resource,
02:48:26.850 --> 02:48:29.090
these resources are in the basin.
02:48:29.090 --> 02:48:30.540
And as you know,
02:48:30.540 --> 02:48:33.170
some of the local constraints
that we're dealing with
02:48:33.170 --> 02:48:35.670
and need to address to transition off
02:48:35.670 --> 02:48:39.710
of Aliso Canyon will
be extremely dependent
02:48:39.710 --> 02:48:42.960
on more resources in the basin.
02:48:42.960 --> 02:48:44.270
So, for all of those reasons,
02:48:44.270 --> 02:48:48.070
I really am glad to see this
procurement moving forward
02:48:48.070 --> 02:48:49.720
and I'll be very much in support.
02:48:52.040 --> 02:48:53.270
Thank you, Commissioner.
02:48:53.270 --> 02:48:55.410
Are there any, oh yes.
02:48:55.410 --> 02:48:56.860
Commissioner Shiroma, please.
02:48:58.696 --> 02:48:59.720
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:48:59.720 --> 02:49:02.000
I will also be supporting this.
02:49:03.400 --> 02:49:05.150
You know, I'm very appreciative
02:49:05.150 --> 02:49:09.370
of the diversity of the proposed
energy storage projects
02:49:09.370 --> 02:49:11.013
for summer reliability.
02:49:12.041 --> 02:49:16.050
These are important for the portfolio,
02:49:16.050 --> 02:49:20.240
I am recalling, some years
ago, in the community,
02:49:20.240 --> 02:49:21.870
possibly 10 years ago,
02:49:21.870 --> 02:49:26.763
when Edison was the first to propose a,
02:49:27.870 --> 02:49:31.620
what we thought was large
at around 30 megawatts
02:49:32.770 --> 02:49:35.890
for storage, and here we are today
02:49:35.890 --> 02:49:40.890
with the 200, 300 megawatt
size storage projects
02:49:42.040 --> 02:49:47.040
that will really help to
provide for summer reliability.
02:49:47.210 --> 02:49:50.440
I appreciate the efforts
to expedite the project,
02:49:50.440 --> 02:49:52.390
look forward to hearing their progress,
02:49:53.420 --> 02:49:55.330
all towards being in time,
02:49:55.330 --> 02:49:59.740
built in time and ready
to go for summer of 2022.
02:49:59.740 --> 02:50:00.660
Thank you.
02:50:00.660 --> 02:50:03.360
Back to you, President Batjer.
02:50:03.360 --> 02:50:04.950
Thank you.
02:50:04.950 --> 02:50:06.513
Any other comments or thoughts?
02:50:07.400 --> 02:50:08.420
Okay, seeing none,
02:50:08.420 --> 02:50:12.043
will the agenda clerk please
call the roll on item 21?
02:50:14.920 --> 02:50:16.890
Commissioner Houck?
02:50:16.890 --> 02:50:17.723
Yes.
02:50:19.043 --> 02:50:21.122
Commissioner Shiroma?
02:50:21.122 --> 02:50:21.955
Aye.
02:50:22.837 --> 02:50:25.030
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
02:50:25.030 --> 02:50:25.863
Yes.
02:50:27.000 --> 02:50:29.123
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
02:50:29.123 --> 02:50:29.956
Aye.
02:50:31.112 --> 02:50:32.781
President Batjer?
02:50:32.781 --> 02:50:33.614
Aye.
02:50:33.614 --> 02:50:35.950
The vote is unanimous for item 21.
02:50:35.950 --> 02:50:38.190
Moving on to item 45,
02:50:38.190 --> 02:50:41.443
which will be presented
by Director Peterson.
02:50:43.180 --> 02:50:45.920
Is the Executive Director Peterson on?
02:50:45.920 --> 02:50:46.753
Yes.
02:50:46.753 --> 02:50:49.250
I am. Thank
you, President Batjer.
02:50:49.250 --> 02:50:51.670
Thank you for the
opportunity, President Batjer
02:50:51.670 --> 02:50:56.330
and Commissioners to
provide an overview of item 45,
02:50:56.330 --> 02:50:58.663
which is draft resolution SED 5.
02:50:59.960 --> 02:51:01.960
The draft resolution approves
02:51:01.960 --> 02:51:04.760
an administrative consent
order and agreement
02:51:04.760 --> 02:51:08.630
between the Commission's
safety and enforcement division
02:51:08.630 --> 02:51:11.580
and Southern California Edison Company
02:51:11.580 --> 02:51:15.780
to resolve all issues
involving the 2017 Liberty,
02:51:15.780 --> 02:51:18.610
Rye, Meyers, and Thomas fires
02:51:18.610 --> 02:51:21.313
and the 2018 Woolsey fire.
02:51:22.150 --> 02:51:24.150
This resolution is presented to you
02:51:24.150 --> 02:51:27.970
pursuant to the Commission's
enforcement policy.
02:51:27.970 --> 02:51:30.160
Under the proposed agreements,
02:51:30.160 --> 02:51:35.160
Edison agrees to pay and
finance a total of 550 million
02:51:35.220 --> 02:51:39.410
in fines, safety measures,
and disallowances.
02:51:39.410 --> 02:51:44.410
The breakdown of that 550
million is a $110 million fine
02:51:45.830 --> 02:51:49.160
to be paid by the
company to the general fund
02:51:49.160 --> 02:51:51.410
of the State of California,
02:51:51.410 --> 02:51:55.760
65 million in shareholder
funded safety measures
02:51:55.760 --> 02:52:00.760
and 375 million in permanent
disallowances of cost recovery.
02:52:01.890 --> 02:52:06.540
Some examples of the
shareholder funded safety measures
02:52:06.540 --> 02:52:09.080
are system enhancements,
02:52:09.080 --> 02:52:12.450
community engagement
and protection initiatives,
02:52:12.450 --> 02:52:16.610
funding for CPUC regulatory
safety program enhancements
02:52:16.610 --> 02:52:18.390
and financial contributions
02:52:18.390 --> 02:52:21.273
to fire safety focused nonprofit groups.
02:52:22.180 --> 02:52:26.300
This draft resolution was
issued on November 2nd
02:52:26.300 --> 02:52:28.720
and was served on
several proceeding lists
02:52:28.720 --> 02:52:31.840
related to Southern California Edison.
02:52:31.840 --> 02:52:34.950
Comments were received
from the County of Santa Barbara
02:52:34.950 --> 02:52:37.810
and jointly from the
Utility Reform Network
02:52:37.810 --> 02:52:39.563
and the Public Advocate's Office.
02:52:40.510 --> 02:52:42.660
In response to the joint comments
02:52:42.660 --> 02:52:44.540
from the Utility Reform Network
02:52:44.540 --> 02:52:46.610
and the Public Advocate's Office,
02:52:46.610 --> 02:52:50.040
the settling parties
issued a revised resolution
02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:53.550
and settlement agreement
in which one provision
02:52:53.550 --> 02:52:55.990
from the agreement was stricken.
02:52:55.990 --> 02:52:59.160
That provision would have barred SED
02:52:59.160 --> 02:53:03.610
from participating in any
future cost recovery proceeding
02:53:03.610 --> 02:53:07.820
related to the 2017,
2018 fires in question.
02:53:07.820 --> 02:53:12.580
This revision was issued
publicly on December 13th, 2021
02:53:12.580 --> 02:53:15.290
and is the version that
you are voting on today.
02:53:15.290 --> 02:53:16.837
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:53:18.860 --> 02:53:20.600
Thank you, Director Peterson.
02:53:20.600 --> 02:53:24.110
I'm going to now turn to
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
02:53:25.271 --> 02:53:27.250
Thank you very
much, President Batjer.
02:53:27.250 --> 02:53:30.950
I will be supporting this settlement.
02:53:30.950 --> 02:53:33.050
I want to provide a little bit of back,
02:53:33.050 --> 02:53:34.200
a little bit more background
02:53:34.200 --> 02:53:37.010
on the underlying fires here
02:53:37.010 --> 02:53:41.370
before talking about why I'm supporting.
02:53:41.370 --> 02:53:44.370
As Director Peterson knows, this in,
02:53:44.370 --> 02:53:48.970
this settlement involves
five fires caused by Edison
02:53:48.970 --> 02:53:52.390
in 2017 and 2018.
02:53:52.390 --> 02:53:57.390
And our safety and enforcement
division investigation found
02:53:57.600 --> 02:54:01.730
numerous violations of Commission rules.
02:54:01.730 --> 02:54:06.390
Four of the fires occurred
in December, 2017,
02:54:06.390 --> 02:54:09.593
essentially this time
of year, four years ago.
02:54:11.070 --> 02:54:15.440
The Thomas fire burned
close to 300,000 acres,
02:54:15.440 --> 02:54:19.190
destroyed or damaged
over 1,300 structures,
02:54:19.190 --> 02:54:22.150
caused two fatalities,
including one firefighter.
02:54:22.150 --> 02:54:24.590
And in addition to that,
02:54:24.590 --> 02:54:27.080
mudslides in the following month
02:54:27.080 --> 02:54:30.010
in the area caused close to
two dozen additional deaths
02:54:31.380 --> 02:54:34.520
and electricity outages
during the fire affected
02:54:34.520 --> 02:54:36.513
over a quarter of a million customers.
02:54:37.520 --> 02:54:42.520
The Rye fire burned over 6,000
acres in Los Angeles County.
02:54:42.580 --> 02:54:46.440
The Liberty fire burned 300
acres in Riverside County
02:54:46.440 --> 02:54:49.170
and the Meyers fire burned 34 acres
02:54:49.170 --> 02:54:50.793
in San Bernardino County.
02:54:51.690 --> 02:54:56.690
In 2018, the Woolsey fire
burned nearly 97,000 acres,
02:54:58.470 --> 02:55:03.470
destroyed over 1,600 structures
and caused three fatalities.
02:55:04.000 --> 02:55:08.060
The fire and subsequent
mudslides prompted the evacuation
02:55:08.060 --> 02:55:13.060
of nearly 300,000 people.
02:55:13.060 --> 02:55:16.320
So these are five fires,
Thomas and Woolsey,
02:55:16.320 --> 02:55:19.530
by any definition, were catastrophic,
02:55:19.530 --> 02:55:24.390
but all five of them impacted
communities, families,
02:55:24.390 --> 02:55:27.850
local governments, health
and safety personnel.
02:55:27.850 --> 02:55:32.010
And we can't and should not
minimize the great hardship
02:55:32.010 --> 02:55:35.450
and suffering that
resulted from these fires
02:55:35.450 --> 02:55:37.950
and from Edison's violations.
02:55:37.950 --> 02:55:40.270
Now I want to talk about the specifics
02:55:40.270 --> 02:55:42.663
of the administrative consent order.
02:55:43.720 --> 02:55:46.210
I said this at our
meeting two weeks ago,
02:55:46.210 --> 02:55:49.710
I think the administrative
consent order is a flexible
02:55:49.710 --> 02:55:51.790
and useful tool.
02:55:51.790 --> 02:55:56.670
It allows us to resolve
violations in a streamlined way
02:55:56.670 --> 02:56:01.670
and in an efficient way, even
in instances like these fires,
02:56:02.320 --> 02:56:05.090
where there was significant harm,
02:56:05.090 --> 02:56:09.240
I think it's appropriate to
use this tool where our safety
02:56:09.240 --> 02:56:13.460
and enforcement division's
investigation demonstrates
02:56:13.460 --> 02:56:15.910
that the violations are clear cut.
02:56:15.910 --> 02:56:18.800
There's no need for
additional investigation.
02:56:18.800 --> 02:56:22.283
We can rely on the
work that SED has done.
02:56:24.020 --> 02:56:28.270
Here with the important change
that Director Peterson noted,
02:56:28.270 --> 02:56:32.050
I think the settlement's
in the public interest.
02:56:32.050 --> 02:56:36.270
There's a substantial penalty
as Director Peterson know,
02:56:36.270 --> 02:56:41.270
noted, including 375
million in disallowances,
02:56:41.560 --> 02:56:44.270
which means that
those costs will be paid
02:56:44.270 --> 02:56:48.310
by utility shareholders
and not customers.
02:56:48.310 --> 02:56:50.890
And importantly, it includes
a number of measures
02:56:50.890 --> 02:56:55.890
to prevent a recurrence
of similar violations.
02:56:56.080 --> 02:57:00.950
So, separately from the
shareholder funded spending,
02:57:00.950 --> 02:57:02.690
the agreement requires Edison
02:57:02.690 --> 02:57:07.690
to undertake a series of
proactive safety measures.
02:57:09.020 --> 02:57:12.210
So, that's just a
requirement, then additionally,
02:57:12.210 --> 02:57:16.210
the shareholder funded
safety measures require Edison
02:57:16.210 --> 02:57:20.020
to carry out a set of
system enhancements,
02:57:20.020 --> 02:57:23.840
some additional safety
studies and other programs
02:57:23.840 --> 02:57:26.870
to improve public safety.
02:57:26.870 --> 02:57:28.750
And the enhancements, again,
02:57:28.750 --> 02:57:32.620
they focus on the
underlying problems identified
02:57:32.620 --> 02:57:36.570
in SED's investigation.
02:57:36.570 --> 02:57:39.710
The projects that are
going to be selected will seek
02:57:39.710 --> 02:57:42.030
to mitigate the highest risks
02:57:42.030 --> 02:57:43.963
that are found on Edison's system.
02:57:44.970 --> 02:57:47.990
Additionally, the
settlement includes funding
02:57:47.990 --> 02:57:52.193
to fire safety focused
non-profit organizations,
02:57:53.530 --> 02:57:56.810
and importantly, any
spending that occurs
02:57:56.810 --> 02:58:01.220
from this point forward
has to be incremental
02:58:01.220 --> 02:58:06.220
to targets that Edison's
required to meet
02:58:06.380 --> 02:58:09.930
under it's wildfire mitigation plan.
02:58:09.930 --> 02:58:13.060
So, we're getting a lot of
additional safety spending
02:58:13.060 --> 02:58:17.200
and measures in the areas
where they're most needed.
02:58:17.200 --> 02:58:19.900
I want to reinforce, again,
02:58:19.900 --> 02:58:22.940
the change that Director Peterson noted
02:58:22.940 --> 02:58:25.690
that was in response to public comments.
02:58:25.690 --> 02:58:28.930
The settlement provision,
the provision in the settlement,
02:58:28.930 --> 02:58:32.780
the paragraph she highlighted,
02:58:32.780 --> 02:58:36.230
that the settlement
strikes the paragraph
02:58:36.230 --> 02:58:39.630
that would have limited SED's ability
02:58:39.630 --> 02:58:43.390
to participate in future
cost recovery actions
02:58:43.390 --> 02:58:47.620
by Edison for costs
related to these fires.
02:58:47.620 --> 02:58:51.970
So, just to be really,
really explicit and clear,
02:58:51.970 --> 02:58:55.700
as it's been revised, the
settlement's been revised.
02:58:55.700 --> 02:59:00.620
There was no prohibition
against SED participating
02:59:00.620 --> 02:59:03.320
in future cost recovery actions,
02:59:03.320 --> 02:59:06.430
whether as a party or otherwise.
02:59:06.430 --> 02:59:09.300
There's also no prohibition
against other divisions
02:59:09.300 --> 02:59:11.830
of the PUC participating either.
02:59:11.830 --> 02:59:14.270
But the revision that was
made is very important,
02:59:14.270 --> 02:59:17.570
a very important change, especially here
02:59:17.570 --> 02:59:21.890
where Edison has reported
significant financial liabilities
02:59:21.890 --> 02:59:24.570
and may very well seek
cost recovery in the future.
02:59:24.570 --> 02:59:28.087
The agreement doesn't
preclude them from doing so.
02:59:28.087 --> 02:59:32.780
SED had unique expertise
about the reasonableness
02:59:32.780 --> 02:59:37.450
of Edison's conduct and
barring its participation
02:59:37.450 --> 02:59:40.520
in these future proceedings would not be
02:59:40.520 --> 02:59:41.803
in the public interest.
02:59:43.290 --> 02:59:46.110
One last thing, I would have
preferred that the settlement
02:59:46.110 --> 02:59:51.110
also be revised to incorporate
Santa Barbara's County,
02:59:51.230 --> 02:59:53.480
Santa Barbara County's request
02:59:53.480 --> 02:59:57.650
that Edison prioritize
its system enhancement
02:59:57.650 --> 03:00:01.970
in the areas that were
affected by the fires.
03:00:01.970 --> 03:00:04.570
That was not
incorporated in the revision,
03:00:04.570 --> 03:00:06.640
but I strongly encourage Edison
03:00:06.640 --> 03:00:08.920
to follow this recommendation.
03:00:08.920 --> 03:00:11.750
There are a number of
categories of spending called for
03:00:11.750 --> 03:00:14.500
by the settlement, system enhancements,
03:00:14.500 --> 03:00:16.820
community engagement and protection,
03:00:16.820 --> 03:00:18.530
and as I mentioned, contributions
03:00:18.530 --> 03:00:22.760
to wildfire safety focused
non-profit organizations.
03:00:22.760 --> 03:00:27.080
I strongly encourage
Edison to prioritize investment
03:00:27.080 --> 03:00:32.080
in those sectors, in areas
that were affected by the fires.
03:00:32.647 --> 03:00:36.530
And I want to thank Santa
Barbara County, TURN,
03:00:36.530 --> 03:00:38.410
and the Commission's
Public Advocate's Office
03:00:38.410 --> 03:00:41.390
for their insightful comments,
03:00:41.390 --> 03:00:44.764
helpful comments on the proposed ACO.
03:00:44.764 --> 03:00:48.260
With these remarks, I will
be supporting the resolution.
03:00:48.260 --> 03:00:52.320
I would also like to reserve
the right to file a concurrence
03:00:52.320 --> 03:00:53.290
on this decision.
03:00:53.290 --> 03:00:54.123
Thank you.
03:00:56.290 --> 03:00:58.010
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
03:00:58.010 --> 03:01:01.180
And I just want to add
that I'm very supportive
03:01:01.180 --> 03:01:02.090
of your views,
03:01:02.090 --> 03:01:03.960
of Commissioner Rechtschaffen's views
03:01:03.960 --> 03:01:06.530
on the administrative consent order.
03:01:06.530 --> 03:01:08.010
Similar to the view I shared
03:01:08.010 --> 03:01:11.773
on the administrative
consent order we voted on
03:01:11.773 --> 03:01:14.427
for the Kincade fire with PG&E
03:01:15.270 --> 03:01:17.770
at last Commission meeting.
03:01:17.770 --> 03:01:21.090
I do believe there,
as a threshold matter,
03:01:21.090 --> 03:01:22.220
that it is appropriate
03:01:22.220 --> 03:01:24.050
to use the administrative consent order
03:01:24.050 --> 03:01:26.800
for enforcement purposes overall.
03:01:26.800 --> 03:01:27.920
And in this instance,
03:01:27.920 --> 03:01:30.640
I believe the settlement
that was reached is,
03:01:30.640 --> 03:01:33.510
as Commissioner
Rechtschaffen just well outlined,
03:01:33.510 --> 03:01:36.393
as did Executive Director Peterson,
03:01:37.410 --> 03:01:40.160
made in the public interest.
03:01:40.160 --> 03:01:41.720
With the revisions,
03:01:41.720 --> 03:01:43.610
very important revisions that were made
03:01:43.610 --> 03:01:47.330
to the administrative consent
order to remove the language
03:01:47.330 --> 03:01:49.250
that could have been interpreted
03:01:49.250 --> 03:01:51.460
to bar our safety enforcement division
03:01:51.460 --> 03:01:53.910
from participating as a
party in future proceedings
03:01:53.910 --> 03:01:58.910
regarding the cost recovery
about Edison's conduct
03:01:59.280 --> 03:02:03.170
associated with the
implications of 2017 and '18 fires,
03:02:03.170 --> 03:02:06.260
as well, again, outlined by
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:02:06.260 --> 03:02:10.230
I am supportive of this
administrative consent order.
03:02:10.230 --> 03:02:14.960
This element was my main
concern with the original version
03:02:14.960 --> 03:02:18.750
of the administrative consent
order, and with its removal,
03:02:18.750 --> 03:02:20.330
I think the outcome reached
03:02:20.330 --> 03:02:22.960
between the safety enforcement division
03:02:22.960 --> 03:02:25.110
and Edison is reasonable
03:02:25.110 --> 03:02:28.520
and establishes an appropriate penalty.
03:02:28.520 --> 03:02:29.890
With that, I will be supporting
03:02:29.890 --> 03:02:31.690
the administrative consent order.
03:02:31.690 --> 03:02:34.010
And again, I want to thank
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
03:02:34.010 --> 03:02:37.473
for your present, your words just now.
03:02:39.310 --> 03:02:40.850
Yes, Commissioner Shiroma?
03:02:43.499 --> 03:02:46.190
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:02:46.190 --> 03:02:49.633
I will also be voting
in support of this item.
03:02:50.610 --> 03:02:54.630
My colleagues will
recall that I was a no vote
03:02:54.630 --> 03:02:58.190
on the administrative consent order
03:02:58.190 --> 03:03:02.460
between SED and PG&E last time.
03:03:02.460 --> 03:03:05.010
What made a difference
for me is the revision
03:03:05.010 --> 03:03:08.110
to the resolution in
response to the comments
03:03:08.110 --> 03:03:11.190
of TURN, the Utility Reform Network
03:03:11.190 --> 03:03:14.650
and the Public Advocate's
Office to remove the language
03:03:14.650 --> 03:03:17.870
that was outlined by
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
03:03:17.870 --> 03:03:20.260
and President Batjer relating
03:03:20.260 --> 03:03:23.610
to limiting the safety
and enforcement division's
03:03:23.610 --> 03:03:27.040
participation in future
cost recovery proceedings
03:03:28.100 --> 03:03:30.350
about Edison's conduct
03:03:30.350 --> 03:03:34.263
related to the 2017 and
2018 Southern California fires.
03:03:36.720 --> 03:03:41.720
I appreciate the very
good detailed description
03:03:42.240 --> 03:03:44.660
by Commissioner Rechtschaffen
03:03:44.660 --> 03:03:48.250
on the purpose of the enforcement policy
03:03:48.250 --> 03:03:51.390
to promote mass
noncompliance with CPUC rules
03:03:51.390 --> 03:03:55.030
and requirements to
ensure timely action is taken
03:03:55.030 --> 03:03:58.920
to avoid or correct a violation
and return to compliance.
03:03:58.920 --> 03:04:00.160
Now, you know, that being said,
03:04:00.160 --> 03:04:03.290
I think we do have an
opportunity going forward
03:04:03.290 --> 03:04:07.250
to take a fresh look at
the policy and process
03:04:07.250 --> 03:04:12.250
to determine if there are
any course corrections
03:04:12.960 --> 03:04:17.960
in terms of just overall our
providing for transparency
03:04:18.260 --> 03:04:21.670
and the most effective procedures
03:04:21.670 --> 03:04:26.670
for we Commissioners in this
enforcement policy process.
03:04:27.460 --> 03:04:29.590
I do want to commend
the efforts of the staff
03:04:29.590 --> 03:04:30.990
on the work on the settlement.
03:04:30.990 --> 03:04:34.020
And I do think this is
an important opportunity
03:04:34.020 --> 03:04:39.020
to gain experience on the
enforcement policy, how it works.
03:04:39.070 --> 03:04:42.050
And again, to determine
if there's an opportunity
03:04:42.050 --> 03:04:43.840
for improvement going forward.
03:04:43.840 --> 03:04:47.300
With that, I will be an
aye vote on item 45.
03:04:47.300 --> 03:04:48.133
Thank you.
03:04:50.380 --> 03:04:52.400
Thank you very much,
Commissioner Shiroma.
03:04:52.400 --> 03:04:53.350
Commissioner Houck?
03:04:54.840 --> 03:04:56.810
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:04:56.810 --> 03:04:59.320
I appreciate that the
safety enforcement division
03:04:59.320 --> 03:05:02.600
spent a lot of time and effort
negotiating these agreements
03:05:02.600 --> 03:05:05.390
and thank them for all
of their hard work here.
03:05:05.390 --> 03:05:07.850
I'd like to also thank Candace Morey,
03:05:07.850 --> 03:05:11.090
Jason Reiger and Vanessa
Baldwin in the legal division,
03:05:11.090 --> 03:05:13.120
as well as Dorothy Duda, Ben Turner,
03:05:13.120 --> 03:05:15.950
Fred Hanes, Fron Shin, Simon Hurd,
03:05:15.950 --> 03:05:20.950
Steve Hayne, and Elaine
Sison-Lebrilla in energy division
03:05:21.030 --> 03:05:23.617
for the briefings they
provided to my office.
03:05:23.617 --> 03:05:25.290
I want to thank the stakeholders
03:05:25.290 --> 03:05:27.730
who filed comments on this item
03:05:27.730 --> 03:05:30.250
for their thoughtful review
of the issues before us.
03:05:30.250 --> 03:05:34.130
I also want to thank my chief
of staff, Pouneh Ghaffarian,
03:05:34.130 --> 03:05:39.130
and my advisor, Candace
Choe, for all of their diligent work
03:05:39.420 --> 03:05:41.280
in reviewing this matter.
03:05:41.280 --> 03:05:43.150
At the last Commission voting meeting,
03:05:43.150 --> 03:05:46.250
I expressed concerns with
using this enforcement policy
03:05:46.250 --> 03:05:48.360
to resolve the Kincade fire.
03:05:48.360 --> 03:05:51.120
The fires at issue here are
even more consequential
03:05:51.120 --> 03:05:53.140
than the Kincade fire.
03:05:53.140 --> 03:05:54.230
Cal Fire determined
03:05:54.230 --> 03:05:56.150
that Edison's equipment
caused the Liberty,
03:05:56.150 --> 03:05:58.050
Thomas, and Woolsey fires.
03:05:58.050 --> 03:06:01.010
Furthermore,
collectively, the five fires
03:06:01.010 --> 03:06:04.490
at issue destroyed 2,709 structures
03:06:04.490 --> 03:06:05.820
and killed five people,
03:06:05.820 --> 03:06:07.950
becoming one of the
most devastating fires
03:06:07.950 --> 03:06:09.920
to hit Southern California.
03:06:09.920 --> 03:06:13.600
I appreciate that SED and
Southern California Edison
03:06:13.600 --> 03:06:15.270
acknowledged some of the concerns
03:06:15.270 --> 03:06:17.620
that I and my fellow
Commissioners raised
03:06:17.620 --> 03:06:21.460
at the Commission meeting,
the last Commission meeting,
03:06:21.460 --> 03:06:23.900
by revising the
administrative consent order
03:06:23.900 --> 03:06:27.900
so that SEB is not
precluded from participating
03:06:27.900 --> 03:06:31.540
in future cost recovery
proceedings related to these fires.
03:06:31.540 --> 03:06:34.490
Going forward, I expect
that SEB will not agree
03:06:34.490 --> 03:06:36.410
to terms that would limit their ability
03:06:36.410 --> 03:06:38.550
to advise the Commission.
03:06:38.550 --> 03:06:40.600
However, this revision does not address
03:06:40.600 --> 03:06:42.480
the remaining significant concerns
03:06:42.480 --> 03:06:45.380
that I continue to have
with the resolution.
03:06:45.380 --> 03:06:48.603
I recognize the points by other
Commissioners, specifically,
03:06:49.520 --> 03:06:51.740
those set forth by
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
03:06:51.740 --> 03:06:53.330
regarding the positive aspects
03:06:53.330 --> 03:06:55.963
of having an administrative
enforcement policy.
03:06:58.200 --> 03:07:00.240
But I want to highlight
some concerns here,
03:07:00.240 --> 03:07:02.270
particularly given the disallowances
03:07:02.270 --> 03:07:06.220
and shareholder
investments regarding areas
03:07:06.220 --> 03:07:08.950
that are covered by the
wildfire mitigation plan
03:07:08.950 --> 03:07:12.570
and how rates are recovered at FERC.
03:07:12.570 --> 03:07:15.510
I agree that this can be
a flexible and useful tool
03:07:15.510 --> 03:07:17.180
that allows us to resolve things
03:07:17.180 --> 03:07:19.180
in a streamlined and efficient way
03:07:19.180 --> 03:07:22.140
where we are dealing with only penalties
03:07:22.140 --> 03:07:27.070
and not the extreme
catastrophic events at issue here.
03:07:27.070 --> 03:07:30.230
I have concerns
03:07:30.230 --> 03:07:33.780
that even though we have
a significant dollar amount
03:07:33.780 --> 03:07:35.430
regarding these penalties,
03:07:35.430 --> 03:07:38.170
that a significant amount of the,
03:07:38.170 --> 03:07:40.596
these dollar amounts
are in either disallowances
03:07:40.596 --> 03:07:43.983
or utility contributions that,
03:07:45.160 --> 03:07:48.150
and I have a lot of
questions regarding whether
03:07:48.150 --> 03:07:51.110
and how they may be able
to recover portions of that,
03:07:51.110 --> 03:07:53.740
either at FERC through memo accounts,
03:07:53.740 --> 03:07:57.070
what was approved
through our GRC process,
03:07:57.070 --> 03:08:01.020
and the fact that these
measures were not reviewed
03:08:01.020 --> 03:08:03.500
through our wildfire
mitigation plan process,
03:08:03.500 --> 03:08:07.660
which we put a lot of
time and effort into creating
03:08:07.660 --> 03:08:11.750
to address many of
the issues that the intent
03:08:11.750 --> 03:08:16.270
for these costs are intended to address.
03:08:16.270 --> 03:08:20.120
So, the enforcement policy
adopted by the Commission
03:08:20.120 --> 03:08:23.530
specifically states that
an OII process is left intact
03:08:23.530 --> 03:08:25.020
and provides a list of items
03:08:25.020 --> 03:08:27.320
that SEB is to consider
when deciding whether
03:08:27.320 --> 03:08:32.320
to pursue an administrative
consent order or an OII.
03:08:33.360 --> 03:08:36.350
Given the severity of the
damage and loss of human life
03:08:36.350 --> 03:08:39.120
that occurred as a
result of these fires,
03:08:39.120 --> 03:08:42.540
I have concerns that if
we're not going to open an OII
03:08:42.540 --> 03:08:43.740
in a case like this,
03:08:43.740 --> 03:08:47.860
I'm not sure when we
would seek to use that tool.
03:08:47.860 --> 03:08:50.630
As TURN and Cal Advocates
point out in their comments,
03:08:50.630 --> 03:08:51.990
the Commission has the option
03:08:51.990 --> 03:08:54.400
to pursue an order
instituting investigation
03:08:54.400 --> 03:08:55.730
in this instance,
03:08:55.730 --> 03:08:57.790
which would provide greater transparency
03:08:57.790 --> 03:09:01.410
than the administrative
consent order resolution process.
03:09:01.410 --> 03:09:03.520
These fires occurred four years ago.
03:09:03.520 --> 03:09:07.750
And so, there's no reason
to rush through a settlement
03:09:07.750 --> 03:09:11.530
in 30 days, rather the public,
the impacted communities,
03:09:11.530 --> 03:09:13.060
such as the City of Santa Barbara
03:09:13.060 --> 03:09:15.000
and ratepayer advocate entities
03:09:15.000 --> 03:09:16.610
should have had the opportunity
03:09:16.610 --> 03:09:17.950
to participate in weigh in
03:09:17.950 --> 03:09:20.840
on the appropriate fines,
penalties, disallowances,
03:09:20.840 --> 03:09:23.000
and other measures through
the settlement process
03:09:23.000 --> 03:09:24.840
set out in our rule 12
03:09:24.840 --> 03:09:26.700
of our rules of practice and procedure,
03:09:26.700 --> 03:09:29.320
to the extent the settlement
would have been considered.
03:09:29.320 --> 03:09:32.170
This kind of transparency
was not afforded to the public
03:09:32.170 --> 03:09:34.290
or stakeholders before
the settlement was brought
03:09:34.290 --> 03:09:36.020
to the Commission for a vote.
03:09:36.020 --> 03:09:38.800
The assigned Commissioner
controls the schedule.
03:09:38.800 --> 03:09:39.960
And I don't think there's anything
03:09:39.960 --> 03:09:40.970
that would have prevented us
03:09:40.970 --> 03:09:45.210
from having an expedited
schedule for this matter.
03:09:45.210 --> 03:09:47.350
Again, as I stated at the prior meeting
03:09:47.350 --> 03:09:50.050
regarding the resolution
concerning the Kincade fire,
03:09:50.050 --> 03:09:52.660
the lack of transparency
also makes it difficult
03:09:52.660 --> 03:09:55.460
to determine whether rate
payers will actually benefit
03:09:55.460 --> 03:09:59.910
from the settlement or if
it is in the public interest.
03:09:59.910 --> 03:10:01.030
For example, again,
03:10:01.030 --> 03:10:04.300
it's not clear how this
settlement will impact FCEs ability
03:10:04.300 --> 03:10:07.560
to recover at FERC or
through a SEMA application.
03:10:07.560 --> 03:10:10.330
It's also unclear whether
the settlement is inconsistent
03:10:10.330 --> 03:10:14.580
or duplicative of Edison's
wildfire mitigation plan,
03:10:14.580 --> 03:10:16.670
where it has or will be seeking recovery
03:10:16.670 --> 03:10:20.050
for some of the work that
may be set out in the ACO.
03:10:20.050 --> 03:10:21.010
While I appreciate
03:10:21.010 --> 03:10:23.560
that this process may
provide efficiency benefits,
03:10:23.560 --> 03:10:25.840
as I stated before,
there's no reason to rush
03:10:25.840 --> 03:10:28.040
when these investigations
have already been open
03:10:28.040 --> 03:10:29.240
for some years.
03:10:29.240 --> 03:10:31.850
In fact, that rate payers
have been waiting
03:10:31.850 --> 03:10:33.970
this long should encourage
us to take the time
03:10:33.970 --> 03:10:36.310
to thoroughly consider
whether the process afforded
03:10:36.310 --> 03:10:38.880
and the remedies proposed
are adequate and fair.
03:10:38.880 --> 03:10:40.730
The communities impacted by the fires
03:10:40.730 --> 03:10:42.713
and rate payer advocates should have had
03:10:42.713 --> 03:10:44.760
a more meaningful
opportunity to weigh in
03:10:44.760 --> 03:10:46.547
on appropriate action by the Commission.
03:10:46.547 --> 03:10:49.660
And we should ensure
that this matter is,
03:10:49.660 --> 03:10:52.060
or that these matters
like this are properly vetted
03:10:52.060 --> 03:10:53.200
in a public forum.
03:10:53.200 --> 03:10:56.460
So lastly, I would comment that TURN
03:10:56.460 --> 03:10:58.200
and Cal Advocates correctly note
03:10:58.200 --> 03:11:01.330
that the settlement
would be inconsistent
03:11:01.330 --> 03:11:03.550
with the terms of the
prior modified settlement
03:11:03.550 --> 03:11:06.100
that the Commission
approved in a matter with PG&E
03:11:06.100 --> 03:11:10.240
and that the modified settlement
the Commission revised
03:11:10.240 --> 03:11:14.160
regarding prior wildfire circumstance
03:11:14.160 --> 03:11:17.330
with PG&E included
terms where rate payers
03:11:17.330 --> 03:11:20.613
rather than PG&E would
receive any tax savings.
03:11:21.660 --> 03:11:25.540
And given all of these
concerns that I've mentioned,
03:11:25.540 --> 03:11:27.620
I cannot support this resolution,
03:11:27.620 --> 03:11:32.620
but I do support taking a good look
03:11:33.190 --> 03:11:35.640
at our administrative consent
03:11:37.080 --> 03:11:39.280
or our administrative
enforcement policy,
03:11:39.280 --> 03:11:44.280
and maybe setting up
more definitive boundaries
03:11:44.900 --> 03:11:47.520
on when we conduct
OIIs and when we don't,
03:11:47.520 --> 03:11:50.500
because I do agree
that there can be benefits
03:11:50.500 --> 03:11:51.680
to having this policy.
03:11:51.680 --> 03:11:54.970
I just don't think this is
the right circumstance for it.
03:11:54.970 --> 03:11:57.293
So, I will not be
supporting this resolution.
03:12:00.480 --> 03:12:03.680
Okay. Thank you,
Commissioner Houck.
03:12:03.680 --> 03:12:08.680
No other hands up to
comment on item number 45.
03:12:10.010 --> 03:12:11.080
So with that,
03:12:11.080 --> 03:12:13.763
I will ask the agenda
clerk to please call the roll.
03:12:15.760 --> 03:12:17.710
Commissioner Houck?
03:12:17.710 --> 03:12:18.543
No.
03:12:19.995 --> 03:12:22.287
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:12:22.287 --> 03:12:23.120
Aye.
03:12:24.710 --> 03:12:26.780
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:12:26.780 --> 03:12:27.613
Yes.
03:12:29.760 --> 03:12:30.760
And you reserve the right
03:12:30.760 --> 03:12:32.523
to file a concurrent, Commissioner.
03:12:33.530 --> 03:12:34.810
Thank you very much, Maria.
03:12:34.810 --> 03:12:37.680
Yes, I reserve the right
to file a concurrence.
03:12:37.680 --> 03:12:39.073
Thank you for reminding me.
03:12:40.170 --> 03:12:42.540
Sure. Commissioner
Guzman Aceves?
03:12:43.498 --> 03:12:44.331
Aye.
03:12:45.513 --> 03:12:47.896
President Batjer?
03:12:47.896 --> 03:12:48.760
Aye.
03:12:48.760 --> 03:12:53.760
The vote for item number 45
is four in favor, one opposed.
03:12:57.860 --> 03:12:59.390
It passes.
03:12:59.390 --> 03:13:01.710
Thank you all very much. Okay.
03:13:01.710 --> 03:13:05.820
Moving now on to item
46, that is to be presented
03:13:05.820 --> 03:13:08.867
by Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
03:13:09.910 --> 03:13:11.113
Yeah. Thank you,
President Batjer.
03:13:11.113 --> 03:13:15.500
This is an order to extend
the statutory deadline
03:13:15.500 --> 03:13:17.510
for an Edison application
03:13:17.510 --> 03:13:20.620
of a certificate of public
convenience and necessity
03:13:20.620 --> 03:13:23.530
for the Alberhill System Project.
03:13:23.530 --> 03:13:26.960
This is an application of
build electric infrastructure
03:13:26.960 --> 03:13:28.370
in Riverside County,
03:13:28.370 --> 03:13:31.010
including new transmission
and distribution lines
03:13:31.010 --> 03:13:32.583
and a new substation.
03:13:34.440 --> 03:13:36.990
As such, we must review
the application under CEQA
03:13:38.278 --> 03:13:40.550
and in a August, 2018 decision,
03:13:40.550 --> 03:13:44.570
we determined that Edison's
application was incomplete
03:13:44.570 --> 03:13:47.593
and we required them to submit
more analysis of alternatives
03:13:47.593 --> 03:13:50.283
that could meet the
project's objectives.
03:13:51.240 --> 03:13:54.930
In May of 2020, Edison
filed this amended application
03:13:55.780 --> 03:13:57.700
supplementing the record.
03:13:57.700 --> 03:14:00.600
Our staff is still working
on reviewing this information
03:14:00.600 --> 03:14:02.950
under CEQA, and once they do,
03:14:02.950 --> 03:14:04.600
we must allow the other parties
03:14:04.600 --> 03:14:06.733
in the proceeding a chance to respond.
03:14:08.270 --> 03:14:11.690
I did want to highlight here
that, among the alternatives
03:14:11.690 --> 03:14:15.110
that we're considering
and asked really Edison
03:14:15.110 --> 03:14:17.820
to submit more detailed information,
03:14:17.820 --> 03:14:20.310
is on the use of battery storage
03:14:20.310 --> 03:14:26.540
to replace part or
potentially all, (dog barks)
03:14:26.540 --> 03:14:30.450
(laughs) my neighbors
here are not cooperating,
03:14:30.450 --> 03:14:31.433
my office mates.
03:14:33.650 --> 03:14:37.290
Anyhow, the analysis really
that we wanted to really start
03:14:37.290 --> 03:14:42.290
to explore in looking at all
the CEQA alternatives was
03:14:42.710 --> 03:14:44.280
a battery storage replacement
03:14:44.280 --> 03:14:48.193
for either part or all of
Edison's proposed infrastructure.
03:14:49.090 --> 03:14:51.560
And so, of course,
we haven't decided yet
03:14:51.560 --> 03:14:54.490
on what that preferred alternative is,
03:14:54.490 --> 03:14:56.500
but I just wanted to highlight it
03:14:56.500 --> 03:15:01.500
because it is another
opportunity to look at the future role
03:15:02.010 --> 03:15:04.180
of distributed energy resources
03:15:04.180 --> 03:15:07.050
to serve our needs,
both our local needs,
03:15:07.050 --> 03:15:10.240
and of course, our overall system needs.
03:15:10.240 --> 03:15:13.730
And I want to thank the team
that's been working on this.
03:15:13.730 --> 03:15:18.730
This has really pushed us
to try to really explore this
03:15:18.740 --> 03:15:22.160
when we have applications
that don't have a true
03:15:22.160 --> 03:15:23.640
scope of alternatives.
03:15:23.640 --> 03:15:25.120
Okay, so with that,
03:15:25.120 --> 03:15:27.660
I'm asking for your support
to extend the deadline
03:15:27.660 --> 03:15:29.003
to December of next year.
03:15:31.200 --> 03:15:34.532
And how's the dog
going to vote on this?
03:15:34.532 --> 03:15:37.950
(Marybel laughs)
03:15:37.950 --> 03:15:38.820
Thank you.
03:15:38.820 --> 03:15:42.117
Are there any questions of
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:15:43.690 --> 03:15:44.523
Okay.
03:15:44.523 --> 03:15:46.410
See none, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll
03:15:46.410 --> 03:15:47.493
on item 46?
03:15:49.470 --> 03:15:50.813
Commissioner Houck?
03:15:51.728 --> 03:15:52.561
Yes.
03:15:53.487 --> 03:15:55.556
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:15:55.556 --> 03:15:57.198
Aye.
03:15:57.198 --> 03:15:59.444
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:15:59.444 --> 03:16:01.062
Yes.
03:16:01.062 --> 03:16:03.260
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:16:03.260 --> 03:16:04.093
Aye.
03:16:04.976 --> 03:16:07.227
President Batjer?
03:16:07.227 --> 03:16:09.510
Aye, aye. Thank you.
03:16:09.510 --> 03:16:13.300
The item 46 passes
unanimously. Thank you.
03:16:13.300 --> 03:16:15.780
Now, moving to item 47,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen,
03:16:15.780 --> 03:16:17.030
that is yours to present.
03:16:17.960 --> 03:16:22.697
This is an extension order
in the Aliso Canyon OII.
03:16:24.860 --> 03:16:27.350
The underlying matter
is an investigation
03:16:27.350 --> 03:16:30.520
into the operations and practices
03:16:30.520 --> 03:16:32.190
of Southern California Gas
03:16:32.190 --> 03:16:37.180
with respect to the Aliso
Canyon storage facility leak.
03:16:37.180 --> 03:16:38.550
We had five,
03:16:38.550 --> 03:16:42.250
four weeks of evidentiary
hearings early this year.
03:16:42.250 --> 03:16:46.500
There have been extensive
and complex discovery disputes,
03:16:46.500 --> 03:16:49.340
issues with the availability
of some of the witnesses.
03:16:49.340 --> 03:16:52.390
As a result, the
schedule for resolving
03:16:52.390 --> 03:16:55.460
the proceeding has
been delayed significantly
03:16:55.460 --> 03:16:57.960
and an extension of
the statutory deadline
03:16:57.960 --> 03:17:01.880
to December 31st, 2022 is necessary
03:17:01.880 --> 03:17:05.410
to provide enough time
to resolve the issues
03:17:05.410 --> 03:17:07.290
in the underlying proceedings.
03:17:07.290 --> 03:17:08.593
I ask for your support.
03:17:10.180 --> 03:17:11.570
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
03:17:11.570 --> 03:17:13.610
Are there any questions or comments?
03:17:13.610 --> 03:17:14.443
Okay, seeing none,
03:17:14.443 --> 03:17:17.613
will the agenda clerk please
call the roll on item 47?
03:17:19.000 --> 03:17:21.070
Commissioner Houck?
03:17:21.070 --> 03:17:22.664
Yes.
03:17:22.664 --> 03:17:24.879
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:17:24.879 --> 03:17:26.404
Aye.
03:17:26.404 --> 03:17:28.522
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:17:28.522 --> 03:17:29.783
Yes.
03:17:29.783 --> 03:17:32.343
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:17:32.343 --> 03:17:33.920
Aye.
03:17:33.920 --> 03:17:35.850
President Batjer?
03:17:35.850 --> 03:17:36.790
Aye. Thank you.
03:17:36.790 --> 03:17:39.320
The item passes unanimously.
03:17:39.320 --> 03:17:40.980
Moving on now to item 48,
03:17:40.980 --> 03:17:43.230
and that also is to be presented
03:17:43.230 --> 03:17:45.960
by Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:17:45.960 --> 03:17:49.920
Item 48 is an extension
order for our investigation
03:17:49.920 --> 03:17:53.020
into the safety practices in governance
03:17:53.020 --> 03:17:56.170
of SoCal Gas and Sempra Energy.
03:17:56.170 --> 03:17:58.820
We opened this
investigation following a series
03:17:58.820 --> 03:18:01.380
of serious safety incidents,
03:18:01.380 --> 03:18:04.650
notably the Aliso Canyon
gas leak I just mentioned
03:18:04.650 --> 03:18:07.860
and recurring problems with SoCal Gas'
03:18:07.860 --> 03:18:10.633
and Sempra's gas transmission systems.
03:18:11.520 --> 03:18:16.050
Our investigation's being led
by an independent consultant
03:18:16.050 --> 03:18:19.560
who was able to continue
its work during the pandemic,
03:18:19.560 --> 03:18:22.280
but at a slower pace and planned,
03:18:22.280 --> 03:18:24.570
the consultant's currently preparing
03:18:24.570 --> 03:18:26.920
an independent safety cultural,
03:18:26.920 --> 03:18:30.060
safety culture assessment report,
03:18:30.060 --> 03:18:32.000
which will be released very soon.
03:18:32.000 --> 03:18:35.690
And we will have a public
workshop to discuss it.
03:18:35.690 --> 03:18:38.060
The remainder of the
proceeding will assess the extent
03:18:38.060 --> 03:18:41.710
to which SoCal Gas and
Sempra prioritize safety
03:18:41.710 --> 03:18:45.330
in their policies and
operations for both the public
03:18:45.330 --> 03:18:48.050
and for their employees and contractors.
03:18:48.050 --> 03:18:51.500
I ask for your support to
extend the statutory deadline
03:18:51.500 --> 03:18:55.033
for this proceeding to
December 31st, 2022.
03:19:00.560 --> 03:19:03.180
Okay. Thank you,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:19:03.180 --> 03:19:05.730
Are there any questions or concerns?
03:19:05.730 --> 03:19:06.563
Okay, seeing none,
03:19:06.563 --> 03:19:09.493
will be agenda clerk please
call the roll on item 48?
03:19:10.920 --> 03:19:12.213
Commissioner Houck?
03:19:13.470 --> 03:19:14.303
Yes.
03:19:15.197 --> 03:19:17.245
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:19:17.245 --> 03:19:18.078
Aye.
03:19:19.040 --> 03:19:21.232
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:19:21.232 --> 03:19:22.065
Yes.
03:19:22.911 --> 03:19:25.076
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:19:25.076 --> 03:19:25.909
Aye.
03:19:26.988 --> 03:19:29.238
President Batjer?
03:19:30.323 --> 03:19:31.900
Aye, yes.
03:19:31.900 --> 03:19:34.720
The item passes unanimously.
03:19:34.720 --> 03:19:37.067
Now, moving on to item number 49,
03:19:37.067 --> 03:19:39.717
that's to be presented by
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
03:19:41.280 --> 03:19:42.500
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:19:42.500 --> 03:19:46.320
This is another extension
of the PG&E application
03:19:46.320 --> 03:19:49.773
for 851 applications of six properties.
03:19:50.800 --> 03:19:52.430
When they first filed their application,
03:19:52.430 --> 03:19:56.550
they had not identified the
firm buyers of these properties.
03:19:56.550 --> 03:19:59.790
And so, under our current practice,
03:19:59.790 --> 03:20:02.740
we like to know that
before approving them.
03:20:02.740 --> 03:20:06.420
Subsequently, PG&E did identify two of,
03:20:06.420 --> 03:20:08.510
two buyers of two of the properties.
03:20:08.510 --> 03:20:11.900
And we approved those
in February of this year.
03:20:11.900 --> 03:20:14.990
In June, we issued a
ruling directing PG&E
03:20:14.990 --> 03:20:17.170
to submit concrete terms for the sales
03:20:17.170 --> 03:20:20.743
of the remaining four properties
by December of this year.
03:20:21.710 --> 03:20:22.730
So, we're giving them,
03:20:22.730 --> 03:20:27.140
we'd like to extend
this proceeding to July,
03:20:27.140 --> 03:20:29.650
to give them enough
time for us to review
03:20:29.650 --> 03:20:31.140
and for us to review as well
03:20:31.140 --> 03:20:35.993
once they submit as a
response to our ruling.
03:20:37.094 --> 03:20:37.927
Thank you.
03:20:39.910 --> 03:20:40.743
Thank you, Commissioner.
03:20:40.743 --> 03:20:43.090
Are any questions or comments?
03:20:43.090 --> 03:20:43.930
Okay, seeing none,
03:20:43.930 --> 03:20:46.080
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
03:20:47.340 --> 03:20:49.340
Commissioner Houck?
03:20:49.340 --> 03:20:50.173
Yes.
03:20:51.043 --> 03:20:52.894
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:20:52.894 --> 03:20:54.520
Aye.
03:20:54.520 --> 03:20:56.629
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:20:56.629 --> 03:20:57.657
Yes.
03:20:57.657 --> 03:20:59.637
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:21:00.566 --> 03:21:01.399
Aye.
03:21:02.555 --> 03:21:04.484
President Batjer?
03:21:04.484 --> 03:21:06.690
Aye. Thank you.
03:21:06.690 --> 03:21:08.580
The item passes unanimously.
03:21:08.580 --> 03:21:11.240
Moving on now to item 50,
03:21:11.240 --> 03:21:15.333
this order extending statutory
deadline is mine to present.
03:21:16.720 --> 03:21:21.720
That is for SDG&E's
application for recovery
03:21:21.830 --> 03:21:24.900
of an under collection recorded
03:21:24.900 --> 03:21:27.870
in its tree trimming balancing accounts.
03:21:27.870 --> 03:21:31.010
This is the first extension
for this proceeding.
03:21:31.010 --> 03:21:33.500
A six month extension
of statutory deadline
03:21:33.500 --> 03:21:38.500
from December 31, 2021 to
June of 30, 2022 is necessary
03:21:41.080 --> 03:21:43.040
to allow the Commission sufficient time
03:21:43.040 --> 03:21:46.210
to examine the issues in this case
03:21:46.210 --> 03:21:48.590
and issue a final decision.
03:21:48.590 --> 03:21:51.240
I request your support.
03:21:51.240 --> 03:21:52.660
Thank you all.
03:21:52.660 --> 03:21:54.900
Any questions or thoughts?
03:21:54.900 --> 03:21:55.770
Okay, seeing none,
03:21:55.770 --> 03:21:57.920
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll?
03:21:58.970 --> 03:22:00.880
Commissioner Houck?
03:22:00.880 --> 03:22:02.456
Yes.
03:22:02.456 --> 03:22:04.706
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:22:04.706 --> 03:22:05.539
Aye.
03:22:06.531 --> 03:22:08.630
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:22:08.630 --> 03:22:09.463
Yes.
03:22:10.670 --> 03:22:13.096
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:22:13.096 --> 03:22:13.929
Aye.
03:22:14.964 --> 03:22:17.203
President Batjer?
03:22:17.203 --> 03:22:18.731
Aye. Thank you very much.
03:22:18.731 --> 03:22:21.270
The item 50 passes unanimously.
03:22:21.270 --> 03:22:22.933
Moving to item 51,
03:22:22.933 --> 03:22:25.393
that is to be presented
by Commissioner Houck.
03:22:26.910 --> 03:22:28.870
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:22:28.870 --> 03:22:31.320
This matter involves a complaint,
03:22:31.320 --> 03:22:36.320
FCTC Senior LP versus Bakman
Water Company, C 20-12-017.
03:22:38.590 --> 03:22:40.390
And it involves a dispute over the terms
03:22:40.390 --> 03:22:42.920
at which Bakman Water
Company will provide water
03:22:42.920 --> 03:22:45.690
to FCTC Senior LP.
03:22:45.690 --> 03:22:47.970
The complaint was
filed in December, 2020
03:22:47.970 --> 03:22:52.280
with a statutory deadline
of December 18th, 2021.
03:22:52.280 --> 03:22:56.290
A scoping memo was
issued on May 5th, 2021,
03:22:56.290 --> 03:22:59.070
evidentiary hearings were held in June
03:22:59.070 --> 03:23:01.700
and parties submitted briefs in August.
03:23:01.700 --> 03:23:03.570
On November 18th of this year,
03:23:03.570 --> 03:23:05.910
parties informed the Commission
that they have engaged
03:23:05.910 --> 03:23:08.760
the Commission's alternative
dispute resolution process
03:23:08.760 --> 03:23:11.420
in efforts towards
exploring a settlement.
03:23:11.420 --> 03:23:13.300
An extension of the statutory deadline
03:23:13.300 --> 03:23:15.770
in this case will allow
parties the opportunity
03:23:15.770 --> 03:23:18.560
to take advantage of the
Commission's ADR process
03:23:18.560 --> 03:23:20.010
and will allow the Commission time
03:23:20.010 --> 03:23:22.340
to review any settlements
that are forthcoming
03:23:22.340 --> 03:23:26.220
or to prepare a proposed
decision resolving this complaint
03:23:26.220 --> 03:23:29.010
if the ADR process is not successful.
03:23:29.010 --> 03:23:30.150
I ask for your support
03:23:30.150 --> 03:23:33.210
for this order extending the
statutory deadline in this case
03:23:33.210 --> 03:23:35.773
until June 16th, 2022.
03:23:37.952 --> 03:23:39.840
Thank you, Commissioner.
03:23:39.840 --> 03:23:43.050
Any questions or comments? Okay.
03:23:43.050 --> 03:23:45.530
Seeing none, will the
agenda clerk please call the roll
03:23:45.530 --> 03:23:46.653
on item 51?
03:23:49.450 --> 03:23:50.960
Commissioner Houck?
03:23:50.960 --> 03:23:52.626
Yes.
03:23:52.626 --> 03:23:54.813
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:23:54.813 --> 03:23:56.107
Aye.
03:23:56.107 --> 03:23:57.957
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:23:58.970 --> 03:23:59.803
Yes.
03:24:00.960 --> 03:24:02.860
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:24:02.860 --> 03:24:04.517
Aye.
03:24:04.517 --> 03:24:06.135
President Batjer?
03:24:06.135 --> 03:24:08.960
Aye. The item
passes unanimously.
03:24:08.960 --> 03:24:09.793
Thank you.
03:24:09.793 --> 03:24:12.090
Moving to 52, Commissioner Houck,
03:24:12.090 --> 03:24:13.963
that is also yours to present.
03:24:15.480 --> 03:24:16.710
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:24:16.710 --> 03:24:19.690
This application concerns a request
03:24:19.690 --> 03:24:21.770
by Crimson California Pipeline
03:24:21.770 --> 03:24:24.530
for authority to increase rates by 10%
03:24:24.530 --> 03:24:27.710
on a Southern California
crude oil pipeline system
03:24:27.710 --> 03:24:30.130
located in the LA basin area.
03:24:30.130 --> 03:24:32.040
The application is uncontested
03:24:32.040 --> 03:24:36.050
and the proceeding was
submitted on September 1st, 2021,
03:24:36.050 --> 03:24:37.050
upon the issuance
03:24:37.050 --> 03:24:40.530
of the assigned Commissioner's
scoping memo and ruling.
03:24:40.530 --> 03:24:43.270
At this time, we do not
have a proposed decision.
03:24:43.270 --> 03:24:47.460
We are looking forward to
having one reviewed and available
03:24:47.460 --> 03:24:49.980
within the next one to two months.
03:24:49.980 --> 03:24:52.840
An extension of the statutory
deadline in this proceeding
03:24:52.840 --> 03:24:56.160
until May 31st, 2022 is necessary
03:24:56.160 --> 03:24:58.810
to provide the
Commission sufficient time
03:24:58.810 --> 03:25:01.500
to consider the forthcoming
proposed decision.
03:25:01.500 --> 03:25:02.750
And I do not anticipate
03:25:02.750 --> 03:25:04.720
that there will be any
additional extensions
03:25:04.720 --> 03:25:07.093
for this matter, and I
ask for your support.
03:25:09.280 --> 03:25:10.880
Thank you.
03:25:10.880 --> 03:25:13.533
Are there any questions or comments?
03:25:15.460 --> 03:25:16.293
Okay, seeing none,
03:25:16.293 --> 03:25:20.505
will the agenda clerk
please call the roll on item,
03:25:20.505 --> 03:25:21.520
are we on 53?
03:25:21.520 --> 03:25:23.016
Yes (laughs).
03:25:23.016 --> 03:25:24.307
52.
03:25:24.307 --> 03:25:25.337
52?
03:25:25.337 --> 03:25:27.230
(Marybel laughs)
03:25:27.230 --> 03:25:28.843
Thank you. Item 52.
03:25:30.585 --> 03:25:32.320
Commissioner Houck?
03:25:32.320 --> 03:25:33.153
Yes.
03:25:34.282 --> 03:25:36.346
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:25:36.346 --> 03:25:37.179
Aye.
03:25:38.184 --> 03:25:40.430
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:25:40.430 --> 03:25:41.263
Yes.
03:25:42.370 --> 03:25:44.570
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:25:44.570 --> 03:25:46.198
Aye.
03:25:46.198 --> 03:25:48.173
President Batjer?
03:25:48.173 --> 03:25:52.200
Aye. The item 52
passes unanimously.
03:25:52.200 --> 03:25:53.800
This is why I got confused.
03:25:53.800 --> 03:25:57.420
Item 53 is also Commissioner
Houck's to present.
03:25:57.420 --> 03:25:58.970
And it's very similar (laughs).
03:26:00.370 --> 03:26:02.253
Yes. Thank you,
President Batjer.
03:26:02.253 --> 03:26:05.300
This item is similar to the
previous extension order
03:26:05.300 --> 03:26:07.860
and concerns Crimson's separate
03:26:07.860 --> 03:26:10.740
and uncontested
request for a 10% increase
03:26:10.740 --> 03:26:14.400
to its oil pipeline system
located in Northern California,
03:26:14.400 --> 03:26:17.060
running from the San
Joaquin Valley production area
03:26:17.060 --> 03:26:20.810
to the San Francisco
Bay refinery connection.
03:26:20.810 --> 03:26:23.980
The proceeding was submitted
on September 1st, 2021
03:26:23.980 --> 03:26:24.900
upon the issuance
03:26:24.900 --> 03:26:27.630
of the assigned Commissioner's
scoping memo and ruling.
03:26:27.630 --> 03:26:31.490
An extension of time until
May 31st, 2021 is needed
03:26:31.490 --> 03:26:33.330
for the assigned
Administrative Law Judge
03:26:33.330 --> 03:26:36.760
to draft a proposed decision
for Commission consideration.
03:26:36.760 --> 03:26:39.470
And again, I do not anticipate
any further extensions
03:26:39.470 --> 03:26:42.003
for this matter and would
ask for your support.
03:26:43.624 --> 03:26:45.724
Thank you very much,
Commissioner Houck.
03:26:46.910 --> 03:26:48.743
Any questions or comments?
03:26:49.710 --> 03:26:52.510
Seeing none, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll?
03:26:53.570 --> 03:26:55.430
Commissioner Houck?
03:26:55.430 --> 03:26:56.263
Yes.
03:26:57.146 --> 03:26:58.880
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:26:58.880 --> 03:26:59.713
Aye.
03:27:00.725 --> 03:27:02.699
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:27:02.699 --> 03:27:03.707
Yes.
03:27:03.707 --> 03:27:06.633
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:27:06.633 --> 03:27:07.466
Aye.
03:27:08.441 --> 03:27:10.476
President Batjer?
03:27:10.476 --> 03:27:11.600
Aye.
03:27:11.600 --> 03:27:14.040
Item 53, pass, thank you.
03:27:14.040 --> 03:27:16.330
Item 53 passes unanimously.
03:27:16.330 --> 03:27:19.710
Now moving on to item
54, which is assigned to me.
03:27:19.710 --> 03:27:23.100
This is, again, an order
extending statutory deadline.
03:27:23.100 --> 03:27:27.080
It is the proceeding
considering PG&E's proposals
03:27:27.080 --> 03:27:30.010
to regionalize its operations pursuant
03:27:30.010 --> 03:27:33.540
to the requirements of the
decision approving PG&E's plan
03:27:33.540 --> 03:27:37.270
of reorganization for
its exit from bankruptcy.
03:27:37.270 --> 03:27:39.800
This order will extend
the statutory deadlines
03:27:39.800 --> 03:27:42.820
of this proceeding to June 30, 2022.
03:27:42.820 --> 03:27:45.990
This extension will allow
time for the administrative law
03:27:45.990 --> 03:27:49.150
and the new assigned
Commissioner to the proceedings
03:27:49.150 --> 03:27:52.670
to consider this settlement
that was submitted
03:27:52.670 --> 03:27:53.780
to this proceeding,
03:27:53.780 --> 03:27:56.373
as well as the full
extent of the record.
03:27:58.560 --> 03:27:59.833
I request your support.
03:28:00.730 --> 03:28:03.003
Are there any questions or comments?
03:28:05.050 --> 03:28:06.262
Thank you.
03:28:06.262 --> 03:28:09.157
Seeing none, will be agenda
clerk please call the roll
03:28:09.157 --> 03:28:12.446
on item 54?
03:28:12.446 --> 03:28:14.472
Commissioner Houck?
03:28:14.472 --> 03:28:15.951
Yes.
03:28:15.951 --> 03:28:17.967
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:28:17.967 --> 03:28:18.800
Aye.
03:28:19.732 --> 03:28:21.840
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:28:21.840 --> 03:28:23.426
Yes.
03:28:23.426 --> 03:28:25.444
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:28:25.444 --> 03:28:26.277
Aye.
03:28:27.281 --> 03:28:29.445
President Batjer?
03:28:29.445 --> 03:28:30.609
Aye. Thank you all.
03:28:30.609 --> 03:28:32.889
The item passes unanimously.
03:28:32.889 --> 03:28:34.885
Now moving to item 55,
03:28:34.885 --> 03:28:38.359
that is assigned to
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:28:38.359 --> 03:28:40.923
This extension order
concerns our rulemaking
03:28:40.923 --> 03:28:44.372
for the renewable
portfolio standard program.
03:28:44.372 --> 03:28:47.726
It's set to expire at
the end of this year.
03:28:47.726 --> 03:28:49.890
There are issues that
remain to be addressed
03:28:49.890 --> 03:28:53.282
in the proceeding, including
the proposed decision
03:28:53.282 --> 03:28:55.436
addressing RPS procurement plans.
03:28:55.436 --> 03:28:57.402
That's out for comment.
03:28:57.402 --> 03:29:00.171
We've always, at the
Commission for the past 15 years,
03:29:00.171 --> 03:29:02.598
maintained an RPS proceeding.
03:29:02.598 --> 03:29:04.963
We intend to continue that practice,
03:29:04.963 --> 03:29:08.425
so that we have a venue
to implement new legislation
03:29:08.425 --> 03:29:11.808
and refine our existing program.
03:29:11.808 --> 03:29:13.393
I request support for an extension
03:29:13.393 --> 03:29:15.560
until September 30th, 2022
03:29:16.782 --> 03:29:20.199
to allow us time to
prepare a new RPS OIR
03:29:21.917 --> 03:29:25.193
to continue our implementation
and administration
03:29:25.193 --> 03:29:26.776
of the RPS program.
03:29:28.061 --> 03:29:28.894
Thank you.
03:29:30.393 --> 03:29:32.488
Thank you, Commissioner.
03:29:32.488 --> 03:29:35.580
Are there any questions or comments?
03:29:35.580 --> 03:29:36.413
Okay, seeing none,
03:29:36.413 --> 03:29:40.030
will agenda clerk please call the roll?
03:29:40.030 --> 03:29:42.257
Commissioner Houck?
03:29:42.257 --> 03:29:43.854
Yes.
03:29:43.854 --> 03:29:45.774
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:29:45.774 --> 03:29:47.316
Aye.
03:29:47.316 --> 03:29:49.742
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:29:49.742 --> 03:29:50.575
Yes.
03:29:51.497 --> 03:29:53.890
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:29:53.890 --> 03:29:55.505
Aye.
03:29:55.505 --> 03:29:57.710
President Batjer?
03:29:57.710 --> 03:29:59.927
Aye. Thank you.
03:29:59.927 --> 03:30:02.177
Item 55 passes unanimously.
03:30:03.203 --> 03:30:05.013
Now moving to item 56,
03:30:05.013 --> 03:30:09.060
that is also assigned to
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:30:09.060 --> 03:30:13.020
This is an extension
order in the PG&E RAMP,
03:30:13.020 --> 03:30:15.370
the risk assessment model proceeding.
03:30:15.370 --> 03:30:19.560
The current deadline is
December 30th of this year,
03:30:19.560 --> 03:30:24.433
a three months extension until
March 30th, 2022 is necessary
03:30:26.160 --> 03:30:28.470
due to the complexity of the proceeding
03:30:28.470 --> 03:30:30.070
and the need to coordinate it
03:30:30.070 --> 03:30:35.070
with PG&E's test year 2023
general rate case proceeding,
03:30:35.690 --> 03:30:38.780
which was filed in June of 2021.
03:30:38.780 --> 03:30:42.450
I ask for your support for
a three month extension
03:30:42.450 --> 03:30:45.283
of the deadline until March 30th, 2022.
03:30:49.810 --> 03:30:52.460
Okay. Thank you,
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
03:30:52.460 --> 03:30:54.733
Are there any questions or comments?
03:30:55.780 --> 03:30:56.640
Okay, seeing none,
03:30:56.640 --> 03:30:59.633
will the agenda clerk please
call the roll on item 56?
03:31:01.600 --> 03:31:02.853
Commissioner Houck?
03:31:04.180 --> 03:31:05.810
Yes.
03:31:05.810 --> 03:31:07.837
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:31:07.837 --> 03:31:09.422
Aye.
03:31:09.422 --> 03:31:11.420
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:31:11.420 --> 03:31:12.253
Yes.
03:31:13.390 --> 03:31:15.651
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:31:15.651 --> 03:31:17.236
Aye.
03:31:17.236 --> 03:31:18.733
President Batjer?
03:31:18.733 --> 03:31:20.560
Aye. Thank you.
03:31:20.560 --> 03:31:23.630
Item 56 passes unanimously.
03:31:23.630 --> 03:31:25.540
Now moving to item 57,
03:31:25.540 --> 03:31:28.167
and that's assigned to
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
03:31:29.240 --> 03:31:30.380
Thank you, President Batjer.
03:31:30.380 --> 03:31:34.180
This is an extension order
for Cal-Am's purchasing
03:31:34.180 --> 03:31:36.490
of the Warring Water Services
03:31:37.400 --> 03:31:41.220
and asking for an extension
until June of next year
03:31:42.180 --> 03:31:44.510
so that the judge can review the record
03:31:44.510 --> 03:31:46.730
and prepare our proposed decision.
03:31:46.730 --> 03:31:47.563
Thank you.
03:31:51.770 --> 03:31:52.910
Okay, thank you.
03:31:52.910 --> 03:31:54.710
Are there any questions or comments?
03:31:56.330 --> 03:31:58.710
Seeing none, will the
agenda clerk please call the roll
03:31:58.710 --> 03:32:01.840
on item 57?
03:32:01.840 --> 03:32:03.113
Commissioner Houck?
03:32:04.061 --> 03:32:05.591
Yes.
03:32:05.591 --> 03:32:07.604
Commissioner Shiroma?
03:32:07.604 --> 03:32:08.949
Aye.
03:32:08.949 --> 03:32:11.352
Commissioner Rechtschaffen?
03:32:11.352 --> 03:32:12.185
Yes.
03:32:13.120 --> 03:32:15.249
Commissioner Guzman Aceves?
03:32:15.249 --> 03:32:16.082
Aye.
03:32:17.608 --> 03:32:19.632
President Batjer?
03:32:19.632 --> 03:32:21.770
Aye. Thank you.
03:32:21.770 --> 03:32:24.260
Item 57 passes unanimously.
03:32:24.260 --> 03:32:25.980
Moving to item 58,
03:32:25.980 --> 03:32:28.140
it will be withdrawn or it is withdrawn
03:32:28.140 --> 03:32:30.390
because it's related to item four,
03:32:30.390 --> 03:32:32.420
which we voted on earlier,
03:32:32.420 --> 03:32:36.130
and item 59 is being withdrawn
03:32:36.130 --> 03:32:38.550
because it's related to item five,
03:32:38.550 --> 03:32:40.730
which we voted on earlier.
03:32:40.730 --> 03:32:45.730
So with that, that ends
the regular agenda items.
03:32:48.020 --> 03:32:52.040
And we are going to
take a 15 minute break
03:32:52.040 --> 03:32:56.170
to have another little
snack if you all need it
03:32:56.170 --> 03:32:58.440
and regroup a bit.
03:32:58.440 --> 03:32:59.273
Thank you.