WEBVTT 00:00:06.937 --> 00:00:09.770 Members are gonna come together. 00:00:11.580 --> 00:00:13.980 Okay. We thank everyone for being here today, 00:00:13.980 --> 00:00:17.410 to our Friday, June 25th, 2021 meeting 00:00:17.410 --> 00:00:19.710 of the Texas State Board of Education. 00:00:19.710 --> 00:00:22.670 We will be starting on our committee 00:00:22.670 --> 00:00:24.530 of the Full Board meeting. 00:00:24.530 --> 00:00:26.210 We had two items that we did 00:00:26.210 --> 00:00:30.150 not complete on Wednesday, so we're gonna go back. 00:00:30.150 --> 00:00:32.950 And we are convening as the 00:00:32.950 --> 00:00:35.060 committee of the Full Board. 00:00:35.060 --> 00:00:37.670 We will take up items three and four, 00:00:37.670 --> 00:00:38.670 that we did not get to 00:00:38.670 --> 00:00:41.310 from our agenda on Wednesday. 00:00:41.310 --> 00:00:43.280 After that, we will close the meeting 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:44.620 of the committee of the Full Board 00:00:44.620 --> 00:00:45.930 and reconvene the meeting of 00:00:45.930 --> 00:00:47.740 the Texas State Board of Education, 00:00:47.740 --> 00:00:50.040 to take up our normal Friday agenda. 00:00:50.040 --> 00:00:51.947 Any questions on that? 00:00:51.947 --> 00:00:54.470 Okay. We will move to item 00:00:54.470 --> 00:00:57.123 number three from our Wednesday agenda, 00:00:58.250 --> 00:01:02.110 which is legislative update, 00:01:02.110 --> 00:01:03.450 and I'm gonna call on Hunter Thompson. 00:01:03.450 --> 00:01:06.200 Members. It's on page I-38 of your board agenda. 00:01:12.060 --> 00:01:13.740 Thank you Charles and members, I'm here to present 00:01:13.740 --> 00:01:14.780 your legislative update for 00:01:14.780 --> 00:01:18.640 the 87th Legislative Session overview. 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:19.650 So I believe you each have 00:01:19.650 --> 00:01:20.670 a packet in front of you. 00:01:20.670 --> 00:01:22.247 Those are the same slides that 00:01:22.247 --> 00:01:24.700 will be covered in this presentation as well. 00:01:24.700 --> 00:01:27.362 So just reminder, the legislative cycle is a 00:01:27.362 --> 00:01:29.144 two-year cycle, and we are currently 00:01:29.144 --> 00:01:30.700 in about halfway through the odd year. 00:01:30.700 --> 00:01:31.710 So we're just through session 00:01:31.710 --> 00:01:33.439 and now we're working on 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:34.710 agency implementation of bills, 00:01:34.710 --> 00:01:35.880 the reports, those things. 00:01:35.880 --> 00:01:37.120 And so I will be covering some 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:38.800 of those bills with you here today. 00:01:38.800 --> 00:01:41.410 Next slide. So it is complete. 00:01:41.410 --> 00:01:43.850 TEA program staff is currently still 00:01:43.850 --> 00:01:45.810 working through some of the last minute changes, 00:01:45.810 --> 00:01:47.610 some of the conference committee reports, 00:01:47.610 --> 00:01:48.730 and some of those other items. 00:01:48.730 --> 00:01:49.920 If you have detailed questions 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:51.440 on any of the bills, please 00:01:51.440 --> 00:01:53.520 feel free to contact me or my office, 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:54.470 and we'll be glad to get back 00:01:54.470 --> 00:01:56.070 to you with any questions or 00:01:56.070 --> 00:01:58.260 any answers we have for your questions. 00:01:58.260 --> 00:01:59.420 So how many bills were there? 00:01:59.420 --> 00:02:02.210 There were 947 Public Education bills passed, 00:02:02.210 --> 00:02:04.870 or at least filed, during this legislative session. 00:02:04.870 --> 00:02:08.317 That is a considerable decrease from last session. 00:02:08.317 --> 00:02:10.170 271 were heard in the house 00:02:10.170 --> 00:02:11.420 Public Education Committee, 00:02:11.420 --> 00:02:14.230 and 139 in the Senate Ed Committee. 00:02:14.230 --> 00:02:16.680 Of those 947 bills that were filed, 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.203 only 124 passed both chambers. 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:22.950 So you had many legislative priorities. 00:02:22.950 --> 00:02:25.250 The SBOE did and not a lot 00:02:25.250 --> 00:02:27.090 of action was taken on a majority of those. 00:02:27.090 --> 00:02:29.250 So I'll cover those kind of briefly here. 00:02:29.250 --> 00:02:30.570 Next slide please. 00:02:30.570 --> 00:02:32.410 So for assessment and A-F accountability, 00:02:32.410 --> 00:02:33.900 no legislative action was taken 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:36.190 on the SBOE priority. 00:02:36.190 --> 00:02:37.940 For charters, no legislative action 00:02:37.940 --> 00:02:39.850 was taken for your priorities. 00:02:39.850 --> 00:02:40.723 Next slide. 00:02:41.930 --> 00:02:43.670 For counselors and mental health services, 00:02:43.670 --> 00:02:46.132 there was a priority to increase funding. 00:02:46.132 --> 00:02:48.460 No legislative action was taken to 00:02:48.460 --> 00:02:50.560 increase funding for that particular priority. 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.100 However, S.B. 179 did require the 00:02:53.100 --> 00:02:54.810 counselors spend at least 80% of 00:02:54.810 --> 00:02:56.220 their time on counseling duties. 00:02:56.220 --> 00:02:58.080 So that is positive towards 00:02:58.080 --> 00:02:59.990 that particular priority. 00:02:59.990 --> 00:03:01.930 On education, vendor contracts 00:03:01.930 --> 00:03:02.950 and safe and healthy schools, 00:03:02.950 --> 00:03:04.230 no legislative action was 00:03:04.230 --> 00:03:05.653 taken on those priorities. 00:03:07.410 --> 00:03:08.363 Next slide, please, 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:11.530 For technology and instructional materials, 00:03:11.530 --> 00:03:12.670 there was a lot of action taken 00:03:12.670 --> 00:03:15.352 regarding technology and instructional materials, 00:03:15.352 --> 00:03:16.770 but not a lot of action taken 00:03:16.770 --> 00:03:18.243 on your particular priorities. 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.073 Next slide, please. 00:03:21.170 --> 00:03:22.510 There are a few miscellaneous 00:03:22.510 --> 00:03:25.070 priorities that the State Board of Education 00:03:25.070 --> 00:03:26.780 had for the 87th Legislative Session. 00:03:26.780 --> 00:03:29.490 There were two where there was some action taken. 00:03:29.490 --> 00:03:30.700 Number one for mathematics 00:03:30.700 --> 00:03:32.040 and literacy achievement academies. 00:03:32.040 --> 00:03:34.350 Those were fully funded by the legislature 00:03:34.350 --> 00:03:36.942 and also for TEA's Exceptional Item. 00:03:36.942 --> 00:03:38.390 Many of those components 00:03:38.390 --> 00:03:39.360 for the Exceptional Item were 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.430 actually funded through other means, 00:03:41.430 --> 00:03:42.980 but not specifically stated as an 00:03:42.980 --> 00:03:45.750 Exceptional Item or Rider for TEA. 00:03:45.750 --> 00:03:47.450 Next slide please. 00:03:47.450 --> 00:03:48.700 And that's the Exceptional Item. 00:03:48.700 --> 00:03:49.533 Next slide. 00:03:50.860 --> 00:03:52.560 So key bills of the 87 session. 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.291 There were many key bills. 00:03:54.291 --> 00:03:55.646 I believe the Commissioner went 00:03:55.646 --> 00:03:57.576 through some of them for you earlier in the week, 00:03:57.576 --> 00:03:59.211 and I'm just gonna be covering 00:03:59.211 --> 00:04:00.245 them quickly here with 00:04:00.245 --> 00:04:01.220 just some of the major highlights. 00:04:01.220 --> 00:04:03.770 So Senate Bill 1, that is the State budget bill. 00:04:03.770 --> 00:04:05.040 Public Education funding was 00:04:05.040 --> 00:04:07.490 increased to about 2 billion or 4.5% 00:04:07.490 --> 00:04:08.840 in general revenue. 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:10.399 It does fully fund the State's 00:04:10.399 --> 00:04:12.380 commitment to Public Education and 00:04:12.380 --> 00:04:14.310 all the changes made by House Bill 3. 00:04:14.310 --> 00:04:16.206 That was a big discussion item 00:04:16.206 --> 00:04:17.826 prior to session, and the legislature 00:04:17.826 --> 00:04:19.060 did fully fund House Bill 3. 00:04:19.060 --> 00:04:20.390 There were no major funding reductions 00:04:20.390 --> 00:04:22.940 beyond the 5% funding reductions 00:04:22.940 --> 00:04:27.500 in the LAR for TEA, and no major Rider changes. 00:04:27.500 --> 00:04:28.780 There were a few additional Riders, 00:04:28.780 --> 00:04:30.990 but no major Rider changes either. 00:04:30.990 --> 00:04:32.320 There were increase in funding 00:04:32.320 --> 00:04:35.290 through pre-K through 12, 00:04:35.290 --> 00:04:37.430 and of course some COVID-19 00:04:37.430 --> 00:04:38.940 interventions and assistance 00:04:38.940 --> 00:04:41.450 brought out through 1525. 00:04:41.450 --> 00:04:42.790 So Senate Bill 1232, 00:04:42.790 --> 00:04:44.810 Permanent School Fund Corporation bill. 00:04:44.810 --> 00:04:47.010 This is a bill that received some attention. 00:04:47.010 --> 00:04:48.200 And of course, a lot of attention 00:04:48.200 --> 00:04:49.920 from folks in this room. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:51.850 It was a creation of the PSF Corporation. 00:04:51.850 --> 00:04:53.670 So it allows the State Board to create 00:04:53.670 --> 00:04:56.120 the Texas Permanent School Fund Corporation, 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:57.340 which would merge the 00:04:57.340 --> 00:04:59.280 SBOE and School Land Board portions 00:04:59.280 --> 00:05:02.323 of the PSF into a standalone entity. 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.870 The bill was brought about in order 00:05:06.870 --> 00:05:10.510 to create greater returns in distributions. 00:05:10.510 --> 00:05:11.910 This will bring the management 00:05:11.910 --> 00:05:13.300 of the PSF under one roof, 00:05:13.300 --> 00:05:14.750 which would allow for better 00:05:14.750 --> 00:05:17.030 coordination of investments, 00:05:17.030 --> 00:05:18.710 The transfer of staff and duties. 00:05:18.710 --> 00:05:22.660 This won't begin no sooner than January of 2023, 00:05:22.660 --> 00:05:24.550 but all PSF staff and investments 00:05:24.550 --> 00:05:26.220 that are currently part of TEA, 00:05:26.220 --> 00:05:27.920 would transfer to the corporation. 00:05:29.540 --> 00:05:30.990 Required implementation report 00:05:30.990 --> 00:05:33.240 by September 1st of 2021. 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:34.470 So TEA has to do a report 00:05:34.470 --> 00:05:35.680 on our implementation plan. 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.160 If there's any questions on this particular bill, 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:39.650 we'll be glad to answer those as well. 00:05:39.650 --> 00:05:41.883 On House Bill 1525, I believe the Commissioner 00:05:41.883 --> 00:05:44.290 covered this in his earlier comments, 00:05:44.290 --> 00:05:46.340 but just to give you some of the highlights. 00:05:46.340 --> 00:05:48.160 Extends our reading academy 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:52.410 deadline by one year to 2022/2023, 00:05:52.410 --> 00:05:54.270 it does restore the Gifted and Talented Allotment. 00:05:54.270 --> 00:05:56.640 There was a lot of conversations 00:05:56.640 --> 00:06:00.060 through this board and through other committees on 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:01.640 the Gifted and Talented. 00:06:01.640 --> 00:06:03.260 Updates to CTE funding weights, 00:06:03.260 --> 00:06:05.230 updates to Fast Growth Allotment, 00:06:05.230 --> 00:06:06.490 updates Comp Ed funding, 00:06:06.490 --> 00:06:08.430 especially dealing with those students, 00:06:08.430 --> 00:06:11.570 experiencing homelessness, CCMR bonus expanded to 00:06:11.570 --> 00:06:14.050 include students receiving an associate's degree. 00:06:14.050 --> 00:06:16.210 That was just an omission by HB 3. 00:06:16.210 --> 00:06:17.828 And so they wanted to make 00:06:17.828 --> 00:06:18.860 sure they added that back in. 00:06:18.860 --> 00:06:20.860 Increased technology, purchase reimbursements 00:06:20.860 --> 00:06:23.100 and provides new funding for COVID-19 support. 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:24.453 This is where a lot of the federal funds 00:06:24.453 --> 00:06:26.560 and the COVID support funding is outlined. 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:27.960 It's in House Bill 1525. 00:06:27.960 --> 00:06:30.390 So you have P-TECH, learning acceleration support, 00:06:30.390 --> 00:06:32.916 tutoring and reimbursements for districts 00:06:32.916 --> 00:06:36.770 that are otherwise not receiving a lot of federal funds. 00:06:36.770 --> 00:06:38.170 So also some winter storm 00:06:38.170 --> 00:06:39.770 reimbursements in there as well. 00:06:41.074 --> 00:06:42.950 Senate Bill 1365 is the accountability 00:06:42.950 --> 00:06:44.630 and interventions bill. 00:06:44.630 --> 00:06:46.597 This formalizes interventions for 00:06:46.597 --> 00:06:49.880 de-rated campuses, 00:06:49.880 --> 00:06:53.000 and improves procedural clarity with 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.860 special investigations in the school systems as well. 00:06:56.860 --> 00:06:59.080 House Bill 4545, accelerate instruction. 00:06:59.080 --> 00:07:00.230 This is also another one that 00:07:00.230 --> 00:07:02.377 I believe the Commissioner spent 00:07:02.377 --> 00:07:04.520 some considerable time speaking on earlier. 00:07:04.520 --> 00:07:06.536 This eliminates grade retention 00:07:06.536 --> 00:07:08.905 requirements and grades 3 through 8, 00:07:08.905 --> 00:07:10.180 and retesting in grades 5 and 8. 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:12.155 Also schools are required to 00:07:12.155 --> 00:07:13.705 provide accelerated instruction 00:07:13.705 --> 00:07:14.538 to struggling students. 00:07:14.538 --> 00:07:15.910 And then on House Bill 3261, 00:07:15.910 --> 00:07:17.304 that is online assessments. 00:07:17.304 --> 00:07:19.300 If you remember from last session, 00:07:19.300 --> 00:07:22.400 House Bill 3906, asked the Texas Education Agency 00:07:22.400 --> 00:07:23.233 to come up with a plan, 00:07:23.233 --> 00:07:25.420 and start moving towards online assessments. 00:07:25.420 --> 00:07:27.930 However, that plan had to be codified 00:07:27.930 --> 00:07:28.850 through the legislature and the 00:07:28.850 --> 00:07:31.195 87th Legislative Session before 00:07:31.195 --> 00:07:32.028 we could move forward, 00:07:32.028 --> 00:07:34.770 and House Bill 3261 is the bill that does that. 00:07:34.770 --> 00:07:36.020 So it changes statute to 00:07:36.020 --> 00:07:37.400 confirm that the State will be 00:07:37.400 --> 00:07:40.940 doing online assessments by 2022/2023. 00:07:40.940 --> 00:07:42.879 It also broadens the eligibility for the 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:44.920 Technology and Instructional Materials Allotment, 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.370 and now allows uses for services, 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:50.570 equipment, and technology infrastructure 00:07:51.969 --> 00:07:53.790 needed to ensure internet 00:07:53.790 --> 00:07:55.630 connectivity and adequate bandwidth. 00:07:55.630 --> 00:07:56.780 And for training personnel. 00:07:56.780 --> 00:07:58.230 So those are new uses for the 00:07:59.131 --> 00:08:00.553 Technology and Instructional Materials Allotment. 00:08:01.753 --> 00:08:02.586 So there are several bills that 00:08:02.586 --> 00:08:04.892 pertained to the State Board of Education, 00:08:04.892 --> 00:08:05.725 as far as actions that you will 00:08:05.725 --> 00:08:06.580 be needing to take with regard to 00:08:06.580 --> 00:08:08.610 TEKSs and other matters. 00:08:08.610 --> 00:08:09.650 So I'll be going over those 00:08:09.650 --> 00:08:11.040 pretty quickly as well. 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:12.760 On House Bill 690 school safety 00:08:12.760 --> 00:08:14.347 training for school boards, 00:08:14.347 --> 00:08:15.970 school board trustees are 00:08:15.970 --> 00:08:17.793 required to take training, 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.730 on school safety and the SBOE in coordination 00:08:24.730 --> 00:08:26.020 with the Texas School Safety Center 00:08:26.020 --> 00:08:28.050 wants to develop that training 00:08:28.050 --> 00:08:29.910 House Bill 2681, the elective 00:08:29.910 --> 00:08:31.970 courses for study of the Bible. 00:08:31.970 --> 00:08:36.500 This expands some of the current law to grade 6. 00:08:36.500 --> 00:08:39.166 It was previously only grades 9 and above, 00:08:39.166 --> 00:08:40.430 and now it's 6 and above. 00:08:40.430 --> 00:08:41.540 The teacher must also hold a 00:08:41.540 --> 00:08:42.850 certificate in Language Arts, 00:08:42.850 --> 00:08:44.600 social studies or history, 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:45.720 and the legislation must 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:47.420 be implemented only if the 00:08:47.420 --> 00:08:49.220 legislature appropriates funding. 00:08:49.220 --> 00:08:51.640 So there's a couple of bills 00:08:51.640 --> 00:08:53.390 that have this amendment or 00:08:53.390 --> 00:08:54.310 this language in there. 00:08:54.310 --> 00:08:55.180 And we'll be working with 00:08:55.180 --> 00:08:57.412 you guys to figure out what bills 00:08:57.412 --> 00:08:58.510 need to be implemented due 00:08:58.510 --> 00:09:00.660 to that particular amendment. 00:09:00.660 --> 00:09:02.040 And this of course applies with 00:09:02.040 --> 00:09:04.223 the 2021/2022 school year. 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:06.653 Next slide. 00:09:06.653 --> 00:09:10.550 House Bill 3261. Online assessments. 00:09:10.550 --> 00:09:12.660 So this is what pertains to 3261 00:09:12.660 --> 00:09:16.060 with regard to the State Board of Education. 00:09:16.060 --> 00:09:17.320 So star assessments must 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:18.930 be administered electronically. 00:09:18.930 --> 00:09:20.550 TEA is permitted to establish 00:09:20.550 --> 00:09:22.530 a grant program to begin to 00:09:22.530 --> 00:09:24.020 support those school districts 00:09:24.020 --> 00:09:26.310 as they implement online assessments 00:09:26.310 --> 00:09:28.020 and there's waiver authority for assessment on 00:09:28.020 --> 00:09:28.940 the first day of the week. 00:09:28.940 --> 00:09:30.440 If you recall, previously, 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.375 Mondays are the first day 00:09:32.375 --> 00:09:33.560 of the week were prohibited from 00:09:33.560 --> 00:09:34.393 having a state assessment. 00:09:34.393 --> 00:09:36.950 That has now been allowed as a 00:09:36.950 --> 00:09:38.300 waiver authority for the Commissioner 00:09:38.300 --> 00:09:40.364 if a school district has to 00:09:40.364 --> 00:09:41.690 have that first day testing. 00:09:41.690 --> 00:09:42.820 As far as the technology and 00:09:42.820 --> 00:09:44.440 instructional materials is concerned, 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:45.600 this broadens the eligibility. 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.350 Again, I mentioned this a little bit earlier. 00:09:47.350 --> 00:09:48.360 So they can now be used 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:50.965 for service equipment technology 00:09:50.965 --> 00:09:52.710 infrastructure and ensure the 00:09:52.710 --> 00:09:54.390 internet connectivity and adequate 00:09:54.390 --> 00:09:56.240 bandwidth for those school districts. 00:09:57.313 --> 00:09:59.850 The Commissioner of TEA must provide 00:09:59.850 --> 00:10:00.960 an estimate of the cost 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:02.320 of the technology resources 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:03.660 and provide that to the 00:10:03.660 --> 00:10:05.030 State Board of Education prior 00:10:05.030 --> 00:10:06.700 to your consideration for your 00:10:06.700 --> 00:10:09.093 Technology and Instructional Materials Allotment. 00:10:10.340 --> 00:10:11.173 Next slide. 00:10:12.340 --> 00:10:14.350 3979. This was a social studies 00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:16.050 curriculum in public schools. 00:10:16.050 --> 00:10:17.340 This bill received a lot 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:21.083 of press and a lot of attention with regard to the 00:10:21.083 --> 00:10:23.730 State Board of Education's actions needed. 00:10:23.730 --> 00:10:25.480 The SBOE must review and revise 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.690 the TEKS for the social studies curriculum before 00:10:27.690 --> 00:10:29.160 December 31st of 2022, 00:10:30.300 --> 00:10:31.250 and applies beginning with 00:10:31.250 --> 00:10:33.593 the 2021 and 2022 school year. 00:10:34.820 --> 00:10:36.160 And of course the amended TEKS 00:10:36.160 --> 00:10:38.080 would apply the next year. 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.220 The SBOE must adopt TEKS 00:10:40.220 --> 00:10:42.410 that develop each student's civic knowledge, 00:10:42.410 --> 00:10:44.670 including statutorily defined 00:10:44.670 --> 00:10:46.430 topics that are in the bill as well. 00:10:46.430 --> 00:10:48.678 And the bill is about an eight-page bill, 00:10:48.678 --> 00:10:49.650 so there's a lot of requirements 00:10:49.650 --> 00:10:50.820 of what should be included in 00:10:50.820 --> 00:10:52.950 the TEKS that you guys will be working on. 00:10:52.950 --> 00:10:54.420 Hunter. I'm gonna interrupt for just a moment. 00:10:54.420 --> 00:10:56.080 When we get to the TEK 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.520 update item, next, Shelly will 00:10:57.520 --> 00:10:59.260 provide some additional information 00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:02.003 related to this and another social studies. 00:11:03.370 --> 00:11:04.320 Okay. Next slide. 00:11:05.890 --> 00:11:07.740 House Bill 4509 instruction on 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:10.540 informed American patriotism and public schools. 00:11:10.540 --> 00:11:12.630 This is effective in June 18th. 00:11:12.630 --> 00:11:13.840 The objectives of public education 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.800 are changed a little bit, and updated to require 00:11:16.800 --> 00:11:18.777 that educators cultivate in students 00:11:18.777 --> 00:11:21.017 an informed American patriotism, 00:11:21.017 --> 00:11:24.330 and lead students to a close study 00:11:24.330 --> 00:11:26.850 of the founding documents as well. 00:11:26.850 --> 00:11:29.333 On Senate Bill 123. 00:11:30.261 --> 00:11:32.670 This is instruction in positive 00:11:32.670 --> 00:11:33.503 character traits and 00:11:33.503 --> 00:11:35.430 personal skills in public schools. 00:11:35.430 --> 00:11:37.700 There's additional personal skills, 00:11:37.700 --> 00:11:40.290 self-interest skills and interpersonal skills, 00:11:40.290 --> 00:11:42.130 and responsible decision-making skills 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:43.680 are added to the established requirements 00:11:43.680 --> 00:11:46.050 for instruction on positive character traits. 00:11:46.050 --> 00:11:47.689 And that applies with the 00:11:47.689 --> 00:11:49.023 2020 to 2023 school year. 00:11:50.090 --> 00:11:51.930 On Senate Bill 801 development 00:11:51.930 --> 00:11:54.150 of an agricultural education program 00:11:54.150 --> 00:11:56.360 for public elementary schools, 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:57.980 TEA is required to do the following, 00:11:57.980 --> 00:11:58.840 and of course, one of them is 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:00.410 to work with the SBOE, 00:12:00.410 --> 00:12:01.900 but TEA is required to develop 00:12:01.900 --> 00:12:03.140 an agricultural education 00:12:03.140 --> 00:12:04.840 program for elementary school students, 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:06.730 and to encourage the appreciation, 00:12:06.730 --> 00:12:07.630 and improve students' 00:12:07.630 --> 00:12:09.270 understanding of agriculture. 00:12:09.270 --> 00:12:10.360 Also to coordinate with the 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:11.680 Texas Department of Agriculture, 00:12:11.680 --> 00:12:12.970 and nonprofit organizations, 00:12:12.970 --> 00:12:14.900 with expertise in agricultural education, 00:12:14.900 --> 00:12:16.100 to develop this program. 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:18.380 Also to develop a list of 00:12:18.380 --> 00:12:20.040 agriculture education programs approved 00:12:20.040 --> 00:12:22.430 by the agency and the State Board of Education, 00:12:22.430 --> 00:12:24.336 that may be used as part of the 00:12:24.336 --> 00:12:25.290 curriculum for this program. 00:12:25.290 --> 00:12:26.123 Next slide. 00:12:27.030 --> 00:12:28.370 Senate Bill 1063. 00:12:28.370 --> 00:12:30.270 Courses in personal financial literacy 00:12:30.270 --> 00:12:31.360 and economics for high school 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.580 students in public schools. 00:12:33.580 --> 00:12:34.916 This comes about every session 00:12:34.916 --> 00:12:37.260 and this bill actually did pass this session. 00:12:37.260 --> 00:12:38.450 So the one half credit for 00:12:38.450 --> 00:12:40.520 graduation requirement in economics, 00:12:40.520 --> 00:12:42.760 can now also be satisfied with one half credit 00:12:42.760 --> 00:12:45.250 in personal financial literacy and economics. 00:12:45.250 --> 00:12:46.510 So the State Board must ensure 00:12:46.510 --> 00:12:47.980 that a personal financial literacy 00:12:47.980 --> 00:12:50.060 and economics course taken, 00:12:50.060 --> 00:12:51.380 to comply with the requirement, 00:12:51.380 --> 00:12:53.470 allocates two thirds of the instruction time 00:12:53.470 --> 00:12:54.910 to personal financial literacy, 00:12:54.910 --> 00:12:56.890 and one third to economics. 00:12:56.890 --> 00:12:58.110 And this applies beginning with 00:12:58.110 --> 00:13:00.263 the 2022/2023 school year. 00:13:02.060 --> 00:13:03.640 So one other item of note, 00:13:03.640 --> 00:13:06.210 I just wanted to remind this board 00:13:06.210 --> 00:13:09.036 that TEA does have a legislative briefing book, 00:13:09.036 --> 00:13:10.120 and you can find last session's 00:13:11.029 --> 00:13:12.810 legislative briefing book on TEA's website, 00:13:12.810 --> 00:13:13.643 at the government relations side. 00:13:13.643 --> 00:13:14.476 And this briefing book basically 00:13:14.476 --> 00:13:18.150 outlines all of the bills, gives a brief summary, 00:13:18.150 --> 00:13:19.440 and any major deadlines that the 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:20.940 agency has for the bills. 00:13:20.940 --> 00:13:23.359 And so, if you'll go to the next slide. 00:13:23.359 --> 00:13:24.810 After each legislative session, 00:13:24.810 --> 00:13:26.160 we produce a book that summarize 00:13:26.160 --> 00:13:27.440 every passed legislation. 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.991 So if you're curious what passed last session, 00:13:29.991 --> 00:13:30.824 and you don't want to read 00:13:31.704 --> 00:13:33.620 the entire 300, some odd page of HB 3, 00:13:33.620 --> 00:13:34.710 you can go to our briefing book 00:13:34.710 --> 00:13:37.388 and read our summary of what passed in HB 3. 00:13:37.388 --> 00:13:38.650 And of course, in about a month, 00:13:38.650 --> 00:13:40.360 we'll be finished with the 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:42.160 87th Legislative Session's briefing book. 00:13:42.160 --> 00:13:43.510 And you can also go in there 00:13:43.510 --> 00:13:45.425 and look at any of the bills 00:13:45.425 --> 00:13:47.080 that passed for the 87th session. 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:48.950 And with that, that concludes 00:13:48.950 --> 00:13:50.390 my brief summary of what happened during the 00:13:50.390 --> 00:13:51.640 87th Legislative Session. 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.261 Thank you, Hunter. 00:13:54.261 --> 00:13:55.840 Members, are there any questions? 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:57.700 Let me ask a couple of things. 00:13:57.700 --> 00:13:59.250 You talked about 3979. 00:13:59.250 --> 00:14:00.550 I know when the Governor signed that, 00:14:00.550 --> 00:14:01.960 he made some specific comments that 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.430 this would likely be brought up 00:14:05.430 --> 00:14:06.410 in the special session. 00:14:06.410 --> 00:14:07.450 So I assume your office 00:14:07.450 --> 00:14:09.287 will be paying close attention to that, 00:14:09.287 --> 00:14:10.980 because that could change what 00:14:10.980 --> 00:14:13.980 we have to do in relationship to 3979. Correct? 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:15.630 Correct. So anything that happens in the 00:14:15.630 --> 00:14:18.093 special session, obviously just like a regular 00:14:18.093 --> 00:14:19.366 session, changes legislation 00:14:19.366 --> 00:14:21.300 that was passed previously, 00:14:21.300 --> 00:14:22.510 a special session could change 00:14:22.510 --> 00:14:24.335 anything passed previously. 00:14:24.335 --> 00:14:25.340 So I checked this morning 00:14:25.340 --> 00:14:27.320 just to double-check that bill, 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:30.830 or a correction or fix or whatever was not on the 00:14:30.830 --> 00:14:33.310 call so far, so I'm unaware if 00:14:33.310 --> 00:14:34.630 that plans to be on the call or not. 00:14:34.630 --> 00:14:36.250 That of course is up to the Governor's office, 00:14:36.250 --> 00:14:37.210 But he has made mention, 00:14:37.210 --> 00:14:39.049 and it's been in the press, 00:14:39.049 --> 00:14:39.882 so it could be on the call. 00:14:41.005 --> 00:14:43.118 Okay. The other bill that 00:14:43.118 --> 00:14:44.724 I wanna kind of retouch on as Senate 00:14:44.724 --> 00:14:46.670 bill 1232, the Permanent School Fund. 00:14:46.670 --> 00:14:48.080 We had a conversation a little bit 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:49.750 about that PSF yesterday. 00:14:49.750 --> 00:14:51.493 And a comment was made. 00:14:51.493 --> 00:14:52.390 This is probably the most important 00:14:52.390 --> 00:14:54.323 bill that no one's heard about. 00:14:54.323 --> 00:14:55.156 I think this is truly monumental 00:14:55.156 --> 00:14:57.190 about what it's doing with the PSF. 00:14:57.190 --> 00:15:00.060 I know as with everything, it's pretty complex. 00:15:00.060 --> 00:15:01.550 So Mr. Maynard, did you have 00:15:01.550 --> 00:15:03.519 any additional comments you wanna 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:05.040 make about S.B. 1232? 00:15:05.040 --> 00:15:05.873 Yeah, sure. 00:15:05.873 --> 00:15:11.349 I think that when you kind of hear that is that 00:15:11.349 --> 00:15:12.740 some members will kind 00:15:12.740 --> 00:15:15.300 of recall a little bit and feel like 00:15:15.300 --> 00:15:18.155 maybe that something has been taken from us. 00:15:18.155 --> 00:15:19.440 And that's really not the case. 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.650 So the 1232 is essentially it creates 00:15:23.650 --> 00:15:28.310 a delegation to a corporation. 00:15:28.310 --> 00:15:30.090 But what it really does is that 00:15:34.124 --> 00:15:34.957 it reunites the fund. 00:15:34.957 --> 00:15:36.710 And one of the things that happened 00:15:36.710 --> 00:15:38.310 in the early 2000's of course, 00:15:38.310 --> 00:15:41.090 is the legislature authorized 00:15:41.090 --> 00:15:43.120 the school and board to retain 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:44.300 earnings and created an 00:15:44.300 --> 00:15:46.340 investment portfolio of its own. 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:50.390 Well it was limited to real assets. 00:15:50.390 --> 00:15:52.340 What that did is that created 00:15:52.340 --> 00:15:53.560 an unintended consequence. 00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:54.930 And I know that that's shocking 00:15:54.930 --> 00:15:56.880 that anything that the legislature does, 00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:58.503 creates unintended consequences, 00:15:59.390 --> 00:16:02.943 but without getting into the minutia, 00:16:03.850 --> 00:16:07.500 it created a $4 billion pool of 00:16:07.500 --> 00:16:10.050 essentially uninvested cash 00:16:10.050 --> 00:16:12.600 that was dragging the overall 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.400 returns in the growth of the fund. 00:16:15.400 --> 00:16:20.400 1232 puts the investment Corpus 00:16:21.020 --> 00:16:24.533 all back together under a corporation, 00:16:24.533 --> 00:16:26.750 with a nine-member board, 00:16:26.750 --> 00:16:28.850 and five of those nine members 00:16:28.850 --> 00:16:31.160 are members of this body. 00:16:31.160 --> 00:16:32.770 And so the State Board of Education 00:16:32.770 --> 00:16:35.480 has a majority vote on the nine-member board. 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:38.010 The other four members of that board 00:16:38.010 --> 00:16:39.400 are the land Commissioner, 00:16:39.400 --> 00:16:41.247 an appointee of the land Commissioner, 00:16:41.247 --> 00:16:44.160 and two appointees of the Governor. 00:16:44.160 --> 00:16:44.993 But the other thing too, 00:16:44.993 --> 00:16:47.060 that I think is important to note, 00:16:47.060 --> 00:16:52.060 is that this bill also, there's always been a little 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.700 bit of a discussion, a little bit of what we call 00:16:54.700 --> 00:16:59.087 the governance flaw And the governance flaw is 00:16:59.087 --> 00:17:01.380 that the State Board of Education is 00:17:01.380 --> 00:17:03.510 constitutionally mandated to 00:17:03.510 --> 00:17:06.160 manage the Permanent School Fund, 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:07.760 But the staff of the Permanent School Fund 00:17:07.760 --> 00:17:09.360 don't actually work for the board. 00:17:09.360 --> 00:17:10.910 They work for the Commissioner. 00:17:12.084 --> 00:17:13.240 And there's always been 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:16.903 a little bit of a rub in there about that. 00:17:18.030 --> 00:17:20.530 A lot of the language of 1232 00:17:20.530 --> 00:17:22.784 was actually language that we 00:17:22.784 --> 00:17:24.210 drafted back in 2013. 00:17:24.210 --> 00:17:25.380 And when this started happening, 00:17:25.380 --> 00:17:27.670 we actually pulled that language back up. 00:17:27.670 --> 00:17:30.080 And so a lot of 1232 was language 00:17:30.080 --> 00:17:32.380 that we actually crafted back in 2013. 00:17:34.149 --> 00:17:40.400 So people say, "Well, is it like UTIMCO?" 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.080 Well sort of. But when UTIMCO 00:17:43.080 --> 00:17:46.740 was created, the staff 00:17:48.630 --> 00:17:50.090 one day working for the State, 00:17:50.090 --> 00:17:51.340 the next day they weren't 00:17:52.329 --> 00:17:53.162 working for the State. 00:17:53.162 --> 00:17:54.320 That's not what we've done here. 00:17:54.320 --> 00:17:56.438 This is a little bit more like 00:17:56.438 --> 00:17:57.840 the Treasury Trust Corporation, 00:17:57.840 --> 00:18:01.650 which is sort of a governmental corporation 2.0. 00:18:01.650 --> 00:18:04.060 And so the good news for the staff 00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:06.470 is that their status as State 00:18:06.470 --> 00:18:08.400 employees does not change. 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.140 And so it is UTIMCO 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:14.750 like it's a corporation managing 00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:16.200 educational funds, 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:17.540 but just in terms of its structure, 00:18:17.540 --> 00:18:20.140 it's more like the Treasury Trust Corporation. 00:18:20.140 --> 00:18:21.700 The third thing I think 00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:23.106 is really important to notice 00:18:23.106 --> 00:18:27.243 is that the staff of the fund 00:18:28.739 --> 00:18:35.230 has to work under TEA procurement regulations. 00:18:35.230 --> 00:18:36.851 There's no other fund in town 00:18:36.851 --> 00:18:37.684 that it has to work in under 00:18:37.684 --> 00:18:40.300 State procurement regulations. 00:18:40.300 --> 00:18:43.160 And frankly those are regulations, 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.500 really not appropriate for managing a major fund. 00:18:46.500 --> 00:18:48.353 And so what this is gonna do is 00:18:48.353 --> 00:18:50.210 that it's gonna make their procurement 00:18:50.210 --> 00:18:51.717 procedures a lot more like UTIMCO, 00:18:51.717 --> 00:18:53.980 are a lot more like ERS or TRS, 00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:56.340 or like all the other funds in town. 00:18:56.340 --> 00:18:58.180 So the staff is excited. 00:18:58.180 --> 00:18:59.351 They are excited. 00:18:59.351 --> 00:19:01.427 So what it's gonna do is it's gonna 00:19:01.427 --> 00:19:04.893 actually not only reunite the firm, 00:19:04.893 --> 00:19:08.380 it's also going unite the staffs. 00:19:08.380 --> 00:19:10.400 So there's actually an investment staff 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.847 over at the General Land Office, 00:19:12.847 --> 00:19:14.860 that's gonna come under that umbrella, 00:19:14.860 --> 00:19:16.033 under the corporation. 00:19:17.210 --> 00:19:18.620 It is gonna kind of create a few 00:19:18.620 --> 00:19:21.210 challenges that are unresolved at this time, 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:24.390 because the plan was to put the 00:19:24.390 --> 00:19:26.400 PSF in the new building, 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.300 but I think that they planned 00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:31.361 for about a staff of 85, but in the long run, 00:19:31.361 --> 00:19:32.730 it's gonna be a staff of about 130. 00:19:32.730 --> 00:19:35.280 And so we're not sure what that's gonna look like. 00:19:35.280 --> 00:19:39.429 But that's the Reader's Digest version. 00:19:39.429 --> 00:19:42.910 Anyone have any questions about that. 00:19:42.910 --> 00:19:43.743 Cortez. 00:19:45.600 --> 00:19:47.110 So under this new structure, 00:19:47.110 --> 00:19:49.100 I know this is a conversation 00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:51.730 we've had since I came on, 00:19:51.730 --> 00:19:53.360 is the fear that the legislature 00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:57.740 wants to take this fund and control it themselves. 00:19:57.740 --> 00:19:59.200 We've had this conversation 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:01.720 I think every year, 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.218 since we've served together, at least. 00:20:04.218 --> 00:20:07.410 This corporation wants to stop the 00:20:07.410 --> 00:20:09.360 legislature in the next session to say, 00:20:10.421 --> 00:20:11.810 "Well, maybe it shouldn't be under the SBOE. 00:20:11.810 --> 00:20:14.648 Maybe we should control it at the Governor's office. 00:20:14.648 --> 00:20:16.017 Or the Lieutenant Governor's office." 00:20:17.493 --> 00:20:18.680 Well, the legislature has always 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.190 had the authority to do that. 00:20:21.190 --> 00:20:22.850 It's easy now under cooperate structures. 00:20:22.850 --> 00:20:23.810 I guess what I'm saying. 00:20:23.810 --> 00:20:26.360 Well, but understand too, is that remember that 00:20:26.360 --> 00:20:28.503 we still have article seven of the constitution. 00:20:28.503 --> 00:20:33.503 And so this represents a delegation of the 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.300 State Board of Education's authority 00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:36.950 that under the constitution, 00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:38.310 and that's why we have a 00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:40.060 majority vote on the board. 00:20:40.060 --> 00:20:42.770 And so understand that to completely 00:20:42.770 --> 00:20:45.030 remove it from State Board of Education 00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:47.466 would require a constitutional amendment. 00:20:47.466 --> 00:20:49.218 And so the legislature couldn't 00:20:49.218 --> 00:20:50.754 just do it unilaterally. 00:20:50.754 --> 00:20:51.587 But, and I guess I'm 00:20:51.587 --> 00:20:53.280 just playing devil's advocate. 00:20:53.280 --> 00:20:54.439 Really? 00:20:54.439 --> 00:20:56.193 So, could they? 00:20:57.857 --> 00:20:59.850 I mean I suppose that they could. 00:20:59.850 --> 00:21:01.640 But that just crossing out a scenario. 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.897 Like when we deal with ESPEC issues, 00:21:07.340 --> 00:21:08.990 it's an entirely different structure. 00:21:08.990 --> 00:21:10.313 It's an appointed body. 00:21:11.231 --> 00:21:12.064 Yep. 00:21:12.064 --> 00:21:12.943 But that stuff doesn't make it through, 00:21:13.915 --> 00:21:16.098 unless this body upholds it. 00:21:16.098 --> 00:21:16.931 True. 00:21:16.931 --> 00:21:19.840 I assume that something similar can be done to 00:21:19.840 --> 00:21:21.620 comply with that concern you just raised it. 00:21:21.620 --> 00:21:22.934 Yeah. 00:21:22.934 --> 00:21:25.423 So that's actually a really good question. 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:28.761 I think you should know that first of all, 00:21:28.761 --> 00:21:31.853 this board has to decide to form the corporation. 00:21:33.090 --> 00:21:35.860 That authority rests with this board. 00:21:35.860 --> 00:21:37.140 Secondly is that then there 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:39.760 has to be articles of incorporation. 00:21:39.760 --> 00:21:42.810 And again, that comes from here. 00:21:42.810 --> 00:21:47.240 Thirdly, once the corporation is formed, 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.543 the corporation board has to create bylaws. 00:21:52.922 --> 00:21:57.080 The governing documents for that corporation. 00:21:57.080 --> 00:21:58.610 Those have to come back to this board. 00:21:58.610 --> 00:22:00.850 They have to be approved by this board as well. 00:22:00.850 --> 00:22:04.960 And so that State Board of Education 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.136 is still in the driver's seat. 00:22:07.136 --> 00:22:10.803 Also, this board will still do its distribution. 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.470 Now, a lot of times is that the water 00:22:16.470 --> 00:22:17.420 gets really muddy here. 00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:19.229 Because remember that there's 00:22:19.229 --> 00:22:21.370 actually two different distributions. 00:22:21.370 --> 00:22:23.270 There's our distribution, 00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:25.030 and then there's the distribution 00:22:25.030 --> 00:22:27.690 under 5G of the constitution. 00:22:27.690 --> 00:22:29.140 And where that came from is 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:31.343 that back about, I think it's like, I don't know. 00:22:31.343 --> 00:22:32.830 Hunter, is it like 2011? 00:22:32.830 --> 00:22:34.870 I think the legislature decided they weren't 00:22:34.870 --> 00:22:36.520 getting money fast enough. 00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:39.230 And they created a mechanism for the 00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:40.260 School Land Board to 00:22:40.260 --> 00:22:42.153 contribute directly to the ASF. 00:22:43.860 --> 00:22:46.200 And to get more money faster. 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:47.610 I guess, is what they're trying to do. 00:22:47.610 --> 00:22:49.800 So that was a way that they bypass this. 00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:51.630 Well, the corporation, 00:22:51.630 --> 00:22:53.690 that 5G distribution will still be 00:22:53.690 --> 00:22:54.783 in that corporation. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.690 And I think it it'll just remain in 00:22:58.690 --> 00:22:59.563 that corporation. 00:23:01.006 --> 00:23:05.123 But our distribution will remain the same. 00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:07.170 Now, the other thing too is 00:23:07.170 --> 00:23:10.920 that the revenues from the General Land Office 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.694 will come into the fund back to the corporation. 00:23:14.694 --> 00:23:19.694 I think we thought that probably 00:23:20.650 --> 00:23:24.630 the legislation gave the General Land Office 00:23:24.630 --> 00:23:26.200 a little too much latitude in terms 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:27.990 of how that happens. 00:23:27.990 --> 00:23:30.360 But that sometimes legislating 00:23:30.360 --> 00:23:32.233 is sometimes the art of the possible. 00:23:33.470 --> 00:23:36.744 Sometimes you have what you would like to do, 00:23:36.744 --> 00:23:38.118 but then you have to realize 00:23:38.118 --> 00:23:39.613 what is politically possible. 00:23:39.613 --> 00:23:41.110 And so, we had to sort of just 00:23:41.110 --> 00:23:43.140 concede a little bit of that. 00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:45.490 Okay. Well, I guess I would just ask, 00:23:45.490 --> 00:23:50.438 and you guys have done a great job on PSF. 00:23:50.438 --> 00:23:51.560 There's no question. 00:23:51.560 --> 00:23:54.300 But as we're sitting down figuring out 00:23:54.300 --> 00:23:58.800 what our processes are, I think we need to 00:23:58.800 --> 00:24:01.010 I guess approach this from the 00:24:01.010 --> 00:24:03.530 lens that at some point in the future, 00:24:03.530 --> 00:24:06.120 what we do here is in an effort for them 00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:09.210 to take this from this body. 00:24:09.210 --> 00:24:10.941 And I think every one of us in here 00:24:10.941 --> 00:24:15.941 want to maintain that intergenerational equity. 00:24:16.090 --> 00:24:18.430 To make sure that this fund is there, 00:24:18.430 --> 00:24:19.870 for not just my grandkids, 00:24:19.870 --> 00:24:22.330 but my great grandkids and their kids. 00:24:22.330 --> 00:24:24.460 And if we let that pink building 00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:26.360 take control over this fund at 00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:29.540 any point in the near future, 00:24:29.540 --> 00:24:31.050 because we did something wrong 00:24:31.050 --> 00:24:34.160 in developing these articles of incorporation, 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:35.390 then that's on us. 00:24:35.390 --> 00:24:37.225 So I would just ask us all to be real 00:24:37.225 --> 00:24:39.340 cautious of how we approach this, 00:24:39.340 --> 00:24:44.970 because they're already taking money from TIMA. 00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:46.560 T. I. M. A now. 00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:49.158 And so, where else are they gonna 00:24:49.158 --> 00:24:50.310 look to slice this pie up? 00:24:50.310 --> 00:24:54.280 And so, if you all think this is a good idea, 00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:55.861 then we'll figure it out 00:24:55.861 --> 00:24:57.835 the best way to get through it, 00:24:57.835 --> 00:24:59.353 but just with our eyes wide open. 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:02.120 Yeah. Without a doubt. 00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:03.390 And I understand it. 00:25:03.390 --> 00:25:06.860 And I tell people pretty frequently, 00:25:06.860 --> 00:25:09.180 that every State in the United States 00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:12.230 at one time, had a School LAND Trust. 00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:13.890 And I think there's only 23 of them left. 00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:16.750 And the lesson in that is you never put the 00:25:16.750 --> 00:25:17.810 School LAND Trust in the 00:25:17.810 --> 00:25:19.160 hands of the appropriators. 00:25:20.070 --> 00:25:21.970 Because if you do, you won't have one. 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.870 Yep. Mr. Cortez, I think your points 00:25:25.870 --> 00:25:27.442 are very well taken, 00:25:27.442 --> 00:25:28.900 and are really a 100% aligned with 00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:30.680 how we approach that process. 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.160 There was a bill in the previous 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.220 legislative session that would have 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:35.750 taken the Permanent School Fund 00:25:35.750 --> 00:25:37.440 and turned it over to a board that 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.930 was a nonmember board, 00:25:38.930 --> 00:25:40.940 that was all appointed by the Governor. 00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:43.140 What that particular bill required is 00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:46.300 also an SJR, Senate Joint Resolution 00:25:46.300 --> 00:25:48.230 which would have begun the process 00:25:48.230 --> 00:25:50.520 of a constitutional amendment, which he said. 00:25:50.520 --> 00:25:51.450 That's what we were very, 00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:53.460 very particular is* Senate Bill 1232 00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:56.500 was going through did not have a Joint Resolution. 00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:58.380 In other words, a way to 00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:00.060 call for a constitutional amendment. 00:26:00.060 --> 00:26:02.240 So once that got past that point 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.410 where that was not part of that bill, 00:26:03.410 --> 00:26:06.140 there is no way, there was no avenue 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:07.860 for this to become something that could 00:26:07.860 --> 00:26:09.560 be taken away from us in the constitution. 00:26:09.560 --> 00:26:11.190 So that point was* very well. 00:26:11.190 --> 00:26:12.720 And yeah, you're right. 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.095 In the future anything is possible. 00:26:14.095 --> 00:26:16.175 But I think to your point, 00:26:16.175 --> 00:26:17.980 we were very careful to make sure 00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:20.290 that this doesn't take us 00:26:20.290 --> 00:26:21.940 to a step that's much easier. 00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:24.360 I think even after this is all done, 00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:26.700 we're at the same place and protecting 00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:28.430 our constitutional duty of the 00:26:28.430 --> 00:26:30.702 Permanent School Fund that we would 00:26:30.702 --> 00:26:33.993 have been before this, if nothing ever happened. 00:26:33.993 --> 00:26:37.428 Follow up. As you were speaking, 00:26:37.428 --> 00:26:41.322 it reminded me of something, member Maynard said 00:26:41.322 --> 00:26:42.446 If this board chooses to. 00:26:42.446 --> 00:26:44.964 So if we choose not to, will it stay the same? 00:26:44.964 --> 00:26:49.033 Or are we required? 00:26:51.870 --> 00:26:53.500 Well, this board has to. 00:26:53.500 --> 00:26:57.820 The legal question I suppose, 00:26:57.820 --> 00:26:59.990 is that, what if the board does nothing? 00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:01.960 Well, I think if the board does nothing, 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.580 the next time the legislature comes to town, 00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:04.980 they are gonna do something. 00:27:05.916 --> 00:27:08.690 And we're probably not gonna like what they do. 00:27:08.690 --> 00:27:13.214 So, Von*, if we did nothing, 00:27:13.214 --> 00:27:17.537 and again, I'm just wanting to know. 00:27:17.537 --> 00:27:20.169 In the event of the worst-case scenario, 00:27:20.169 --> 00:27:22.576 we know how our friends across the street, 00:27:22.576 --> 00:27:28.570 they've been jonesing, I guess, if you would, 00:27:28.570 --> 00:27:30.491 for this money for a long time. 00:27:30.491 --> 00:27:32.810 And if this is one step closer for 00:27:32.810 --> 00:27:36.610 them to take this pot of cash, 00:27:36.610 --> 00:27:37.730 that we don't want them to have, 00:27:37.730 --> 00:27:41.000 we want to protect it for generations of children. 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.793 What happens if we took no action? 00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:45.650 Well, I think under the bill, 00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:48.290 at least from an initial reading, 00:27:48.290 --> 00:27:52.030 it is permissive on the State Board of Education 00:27:52.030 --> 00:27:53.460 to make this delegation. 00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:55.680 And under the bill what it requires 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.300 is for you to first establish these 00:27:57.300 --> 00:27:59.270 articles of incorporation which 00:27:59.270 --> 00:28:05.920 would tell the new corporation, how it would act. 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.060 Now you would have some authority in there, 00:28:10.060 --> 00:28:11.530 but I would also remind you, 00:28:11.530 --> 00:28:14.500 at least from my initial reading of 1232, 00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:16.730 that once articles of incorporation are up, 00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:20.050 that corporation can modify that in some ways. 00:28:20.050 --> 00:28:21.750 But these are things that we 00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:23.490 will explore in a lot more depth 00:28:23.490 --> 00:28:25.812 I think over the next year. 00:28:25.812 --> 00:28:30.812 I don't believe the bill has anything 00:28:30.840 --> 00:28:33.810 in that says what happens if 00:28:33.810 --> 00:28:36.850 you don't take that action. 00:28:36.850 --> 00:28:39.940 So presumably the status quo would remain, 00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:43.298 except as a few members have mentioned 00:28:43.298 --> 00:28:47.110 if this was an expectation of the legislature, 00:28:47.110 --> 00:28:49.403 that expectation may become a requirement. 00:28:50.530 --> 00:28:52.870 So, just to follow up on what you just said, 00:28:52.870 --> 00:28:54.670 if I understood correctly. 00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:58.270 This body sets up the articles of incorporation, 00:28:58.270 --> 00:29:00.343 puts that body into place. 00:29:01.490 --> 00:29:04.410 If a year down the road, 00:29:04.410 --> 00:29:07.190 that body votes to change the 00:29:07.190 --> 00:29:08.560 articles of incorporation 00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:10.210 and ask the State legislature 00:29:10.210 --> 00:29:13.600 to make it its own agency 00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:15.703 or a separate entity, it could? 00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:19.080 Well, I mean, the corporations. 00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:20.810 To make substantive changes 00:29:20.810 --> 00:29:23.701 that could begin the process of separation. 00:29:23.701 --> 00:29:25.292 Yeah. 00:29:25.292 --> 00:29:26.318 The corporation itself, 00:29:26.318 --> 00:29:27.976 I don't think can change. 00:29:27.976 --> 00:29:29.090 Like it's structure of nine, 00:29:29.090 --> 00:29:32.030 or that it comes back to the board. 00:29:32.030 --> 00:29:35.327 The legislature as we talked about, 00:29:35.327 --> 00:29:37.850 could move forward a constitutional 00:29:37.850 --> 00:29:39.400 amendment to change it. 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.870 Where is the line between how much control 00:29:43.870 --> 00:29:46.261 you have to have over the corporation, 00:29:46.261 --> 00:29:50.220 where this is a legitimate delegation and 00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:52.170 you still maintain your constitutional authority? 00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:54.158 Where that line is, 00:29:54.158 --> 00:29:57.080 I don't know where that line is. 00:29:57.080 --> 00:30:00.720 I think the legislature felt in 1232 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.170 that the structure set up 00:30:02.170 --> 00:30:05.110 where you have a majority of 00:30:05.110 --> 00:30:08.790 that corporation controlled by members 00:30:08.790 --> 00:30:11.350 of this board with input from others, 00:30:11.350 --> 00:30:14.900 that that fell within the constitutional 00:30:14.900 --> 00:30:17.400 parameter of maintaining control 00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.981 by the State Board. 00:30:18.981 --> 00:30:22.217 So could they ask the 00:30:23.532 --> 00:30:25.190 legislature to change it? Yes. 00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:26.278 How much could they change 00:30:26.278 --> 00:30:27.111 statutorily versus seeking a 00:30:27.111 --> 00:30:28.240 constitutional amendment? 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.840 I don't know where that line is. 00:30:29.840 --> 00:30:34.620 If that's something the board wants to explore, 00:30:34.620 --> 00:30:36.260 that's something we certainly can. 00:30:36.260 --> 00:30:38.030 You probably want someone with a 00:30:38.030 --> 00:30:40.640 little more financial savvy than me doing that, 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.480 but you do have folks on retainer 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.214 right now through your PSF. 00:30:46.214 --> 00:30:51.074 That's fair enough. And to the question of, 00:30:51.074 --> 00:30:54.032 if we did nothing, what happens? 00:30:54.032 --> 00:30:56.440 Yeah. So if you did nothing, 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.010 then the status quo remains. 00:30:58.010 --> 00:30:59.390 I think there are a few other changes 00:30:59.390 --> 00:31:01.200 there like they've broadened 00:31:02.668 --> 00:31:06.320 your investment policies here. 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:08.903 As I look in 43.003. 00:31:10.550 --> 00:31:15.020 But as I said, under the legislation 00:31:15.020 --> 00:31:16.836 as I read it, there's not a mechanism 00:31:16.836 --> 00:31:21.113 that says what happens if you don't pursue. 00:31:24.088 --> 00:31:27.403 Mike Meyer, Deputy Commissioner of Finance. 00:31:28.296 --> 00:31:30.298 So the bill is kind of divided into two articles. 00:31:30.298 --> 00:31:32.028 The first one describes your ability to 00:31:32.028 --> 00:31:33.370 delegate the authority of the corporation, 00:31:33.370 --> 00:31:35.020 and the composition of the board, 00:31:36.158 --> 00:31:37.402 and what the corporation would look like. 00:31:37.402 --> 00:31:38.870 And then the second article describes kind 00:31:38.870 --> 00:31:40.310 of operations and management, 00:31:40.310 --> 00:31:42.913 transition of assets, transition of FTEs. 00:31:44.446 --> 00:31:45.656 That sort of information. 00:31:45.656 --> 00:31:46.520 And then at the tail end of the bill, 00:31:46.520 --> 00:31:47.800 it says that article, the second article, 00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:49.794 takes no effect if you don't 00:31:49.794 --> 00:31:51.591 delegate to a corporate or create the 00:31:51.591 --> 00:31:54.170 corporation by December of 2022. 00:31:54.170 --> 00:31:56.930 So that first part of the bill would still be effective, 00:31:56.930 --> 00:31:59.150 describing your ability to delegate authority, 00:31:59.150 --> 00:32:02.160 but all of that's sort of transfer provisions 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.310 would not be effective. 00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:07.980 Mr. Cortez, as you probably will know, 00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:09.890 the State Board of Education and 00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:12.450 PSF also has our own Fudiciary Council, 00:32:12.450 --> 00:32:13.580 Chuck Campbell*. 00:32:13.580 --> 00:32:15.810 And he is actually employed by 00:32:15.810 --> 00:32:16.930 the State Board of Education. 00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:19.320 I've actually got him on the zoom call. 00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:20.570 Chuck* are you available? 00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:24.611 I am. Yes. 00:32:24.611 --> 00:32:25.450 Okay. Is there anything that 00:32:26.713 --> 00:32:27.838 you would like to add to the 00:32:27.838 --> 00:32:29.013 questions that Mr. Cortez brought up. 00:32:30.250 --> 00:32:32.410 Actually* would be the status quo. 00:32:32.410 --> 00:32:33.952 And the transfer provisions would 00:32:33.952 --> 00:32:38.952 not just come into effect that second*. 00:32:40.025 --> 00:32:41.122 Yeah. And the only reason 00:32:41.122 --> 00:32:46.122 I ask Mr. Chair, these questions 00:32:46.337 --> 00:32:51.337 is because at the end of the day unfortunately, 00:32:52.801 --> 00:32:55.280 sometimes I think a lot of what happens 00:32:55.280 --> 00:32:57.571 in this board doesn't come down to... 00:32:57.571 --> 00:33:00.200 it comes down to people in 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.150 higher offices that have the thumb 00:33:03.150 --> 00:33:05.410 on their scale and can easily pick up the 00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:08.000 phone and call members of this body. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.615 And if the Governor has got two appointments, 00:33:10.615 --> 00:33:12.210 and there's five of us in the Land Board. 00:33:12.210 --> 00:33:13.770 Governor's Office can very quickly call 00:33:13.770 --> 00:33:14.953 anybody that they want. 00:33:16.253 --> 00:33:17.086 And they're gonna drum up 00:33:17.086 --> 00:33:18.550 whatever votes that they need to. 00:33:18.550 --> 00:33:21.370 We've seen that over and over in this body. 00:33:21.370 --> 00:33:22.850 And that's my fear. 00:33:22.850 --> 00:33:26.560 At least right now you've got a body of 15, 00:33:26.560 --> 00:33:29.750 who while we may disagree on some things, 00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:32.760 agree that this fund is the treasure 00:33:32.760 --> 00:33:37.100 and needs to be protected for generations to come. 00:33:37.100 --> 00:33:39.610 And so, I'm a little concerned about 00:33:39.610 --> 00:33:41.280 this piece of legislation. 00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:46.210 And so, I don't know where are we go next, 00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:47.840 but I am concerned. 00:33:47.840 --> 00:33:48.682 I appreciate that. 00:33:48.682 --> 00:33:51.916 These are very well... Go ahead Mr. Campbell. 00:33:51.916 --> 00:33:54.558 Did you have something? 00:33:54.558 --> 00:33:57.163 I would like to follow up on what 00:33:57.163 --> 00:33:59.870 SBOE has to approve any changes 00:33:59.870 --> 00:34:04.640 to the articles of corporation. 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.691 And it same with the bylaws. 00:34:06.691 --> 00:34:11.691 Any changes to the bylaws that 00:34:14.721 --> 00:34:15.842 the corporation established, 00:34:15.842 --> 00:34:20.150 also has to be approved by the SBOE as well. 00:34:20.150 --> 00:34:21.820 So, there are layer of protections 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:23.700 in the legislation to ensure 00:34:23.700 --> 00:34:26.080 that the SBOE maintains its 00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:28.715 authority with respect to 00:34:28.715 --> 00:34:30.803 the management of the fund. 00:34:30.803 --> 00:34:32.870 I think another important point is the 00:34:32.870 --> 00:34:35.290 fact that what Mr. Maynard talked about 00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:36.370 earlier is the distribution. 00:34:36.370 --> 00:34:39.380 So, I think Mr. Cortez your real main concern, 00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:42.913 is about protecting this for future generations. 00:34:43.864 --> 00:34:45.640 And what I see happening with this 00:34:45.640 --> 00:34:48.250 new corporation is to really control the 00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:50.690 actually investment decisions. 00:34:50.690 --> 00:34:52.190 So we have the investment decisions, 00:34:52.190 --> 00:34:53.470 which are asset allocation. 00:34:53.470 --> 00:34:54.600 How much are we are gonna 00:34:56.120 --> 00:34:56.953 have in equities and bonds, 00:34:56.953 --> 00:34:58.020 and all those different things, 00:34:58.020 --> 00:34:59.350 and then you have the distribution. 00:34:59.350 --> 00:35:00.660 That distribution part, 00:35:00.660 --> 00:35:02.160 actually, as Tom was saying in 00:35:03.003 --> 00:35:04.474 section 5.8* of the constitution 00:35:04.474 --> 00:35:05.307 stays completely here. 00:35:05.307 --> 00:35:08.340 We do our normal biennial distribution 00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:10.150 prior to legislative session. 00:35:10.150 --> 00:35:11.440 We set our distribution right. 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.333 That will stay exactly the same. 00:35:14.520 --> 00:35:17.213 The School Land Board right now has an extra 00:35:17.213 --> 00:35:19.200 600 million that they can distribute a year. 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:21.930 That happened with proposition 7, 2 sessions ago. 00:35:21.930 --> 00:35:22.940 That will stay actually the same. 00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:25.110 So I think your real main concern, 00:35:25.110 --> 00:35:26.360 about the intergenerational 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:27.510 equity with the distribution 00:35:27.510 --> 00:35:29.700 actually does not change. 00:35:29.700 --> 00:35:32.070 What the new entity will be doing is really 00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:33.330 working on the actual 00:35:33.330 --> 00:35:35.178 investment to asset allocation, 00:35:35.178 --> 00:35:37.910 all those high-level decisions of 00:35:37.910 --> 00:35:39.890 how we should be investing. 00:35:39.890 --> 00:35:41.763 Chuck*, did I say that correctly also. 00:35:45.630 --> 00:35:46.463 That's right. 00:35:46.463 --> 00:35:49.530 Even though the State Board of Education 00:35:49.530 --> 00:35:51.375 maintains its distribution authority, 00:35:51.375 --> 00:35:52.640 and while the corporation 00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:55.920 does have some distribution authority, 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.620 it's limited under the constitution under 5G*. 00:35:57.620 --> 00:36:02.240 And so the SPOE will still be 00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:05.513 the primary driver of the distribution. 00:36:05.513 --> 00:36:07.090 And I think that's an important point, 00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:08.360 Mr. Cortez I think to you. 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.490 'Cause that's where the we protect 00:36:10.490 --> 00:36:11.750 the future of the fund. 00:36:11.750 --> 00:36:12.650 Is to make sure that we 00:36:12.650 --> 00:36:14.960 set an appropriate distribution. 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.017 I had a question from Ms. Perez Diaz*. 00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:22.380 Thank you, Chair. 00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:24.700 Yes. So, my question is specifically 00:36:24.700 --> 00:36:27.640 around HB 3979. 00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:31.250 So, I'll preface this by saying this bill 00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:33.342 was incredibly abhorring. 00:36:33.342 --> 00:36:35.360 It was shocking that it passed. 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.500 And so, I know that if it hasn't 00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:40.463 already been filed, 00:36:41.315 --> 00:36:42.520 there is conversation about litigation. 00:36:42.520 --> 00:36:45.810 And so I'm wondering if litigation ensues, 00:36:45.810 --> 00:36:47.670 then what does that mean in terms 00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:52.340 of the work that SBOE has to do regarding HB 3979 00:36:52.340 --> 00:36:56.273 and implementation of that billing which...? 00:36:58.310 --> 00:37:00.778 Well, I mean, so first of all, just the filing 00:37:00.778 --> 00:37:04.550 of litigation doesn't necessarily hamper anything. 00:37:04.550 --> 00:37:08.663 This House Bill 3979 is the law of the land right now. 00:37:08.663 --> 00:37:13.663 And all agencies are moving forward 00:37:14.560 --> 00:37:16.980 with implementing the new law of the land. 00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:18.460 And regardless whether there 00:37:18.460 --> 00:37:20.773 are potentials for litigation on it. 00:37:21.630 --> 00:37:23.600 If litigation is filed, 00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:28.420 then we would just have to wait to 00:37:28.420 --> 00:37:30.610 determine whether or not there is an 00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:32.323 injunction that is created. 00:37:32.323 --> 00:37:35.400 And so, until we know that from the court, 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:36.590 we wouldn't know whether there 00:37:36.590 --> 00:37:39.670 is anything to pull back on. 00:37:39.670 --> 00:37:42.330 So, these are all questions that can't 00:37:42.330 --> 00:37:45.440 be answered without a specific fact scenario. 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.420 And as we talked about earlier, 00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:53.130 there is a severability clause within 00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:54.370 the legislation itself. 00:37:54.370 --> 00:37:58.910 So ultimately a determination that one 00:37:58.910 --> 00:38:01.560 part is invalid does not invalidate 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:02.393 the whole bill. 00:38:02.393 --> 00:38:05.790 And you may think of the bill 00:38:05.790 --> 00:38:06.820 as having several parts, 00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:09.607 but one part is just a requirement 00:38:09.607 --> 00:38:11.840 for you all on what you do with 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.570 your social studies TEKS. 00:38:13.570 --> 00:38:15.540 Another part is a requirement on 00:38:15.540 --> 00:38:18.595 the folks that deliver a social studies 00:38:18.595 --> 00:38:19.428 curriculum and what they 00:38:20.494 --> 00:38:21.981 can or cannot speak to. 00:38:21.981 --> 00:38:26.270 I'm sure those would have 00:38:26.270 --> 00:38:27.670 different grounds that folks 00:38:28.783 --> 00:38:29.616 would be moving forward 00:38:30.523 --> 00:38:31.884 if they filed litigation. 00:38:31.884 --> 00:38:34.801 * I have a follow up. And I know. 00:38:40.883 --> 00:38:43.800 But I'm wondering what organization 00:38:50.048 --> 00:38:52.104 actually talked to* or worked 00:38:52.104 --> 00:38:53.920 with worked with create this Bill? 00:38:54.882 --> 00:38:56.818 Because it seems really far removed from 00:38:56.818 --> 00:38:58.010 what's actually happening in engine*. 00:38:59.451 --> 00:39:00.830 This is Hanno* Thompson* again. 00:39:00.830 --> 00:39:01.750 You would have to talk to the Bill 00:39:02.816 --> 00:39:03.649 author and the coauthors on who 00:39:03.649 --> 00:39:05.200 they spoke to and who they 00:39:05.200 --> 00:39:06.900 discussed when writing their bill. 00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:11.357 All right. Thank you. 00:39:13.470 --> 00:39:14.620 I've got Ms. Hardy*. 00:39:14.620 --> 00:39:17.596 Are you following up on that particular one, 00:39:17.596 --> 00:39:19.127 or do you have a new line of questions? 00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:23.775 Okay, let me go to Ms. Hardy* then I'll...*. 00:39:23.775 --> 00:39:24.608 Okay. 00:39:24.608 --> 00:39:27.247 I'm addressing Member Cortez's concerns. 00:39:29.376 --> 00:39:34.170 I have been on the State Board of Education, 00:39:34.170 --> 00:39:35.300 Permanent School Fund committee 00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:37.940 off and on for a long time. 00:39:37.940 --> 00:39:42.940 And I will say we're considerably better off 00:39:43.010 --> 00:39:46.020 today with this new bill than we have been in 00:39:46.020 --> 00:39:48.990 all my previous years of different iterations, 00:39:48.990 --> 00:39:51.430 of different aspects of the bill. 00:39:51.430 --> 00:39:54.320 And I'm appreciative very much of 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.080 Tom, Maynard and Kevin for the work they did. 00:39:58.080 --> 00:40:00.620 Because even two years ago, 00:40:00.620 --> 00:40:03.180 it was on shaky grounds. 00:40:03.180 --> 00:40:07.780 And we are much better off than we've ever been. 00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:12.670 And I feel like there are a lot of parameters 00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:14.940 put on this that are very healthy, 00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:16.840 or I wouldn't feel so strongly about it. 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.570 So, I have a lot of confidence 00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:20.083 in that particular thing. 00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:23.770 Member Maynard said that there 00:40:24.851 --> 00:40:27.575 are 23 States with PSFs. 00:40:27.575 --> 00:40:29.540 They don't even begin... 00:40:29.540 --> 00:40:32.030 What's was ours? 50 billion now? 00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:34.197 We're up to 50 billion. 00:40:34.197 --> 00:40:35.416 We're up to 50 billion right now. 00:40:35.416 --> 00:40:36.816 And no one even comes close. 00:40:37.684 --> 00:40:39.106 So the State Board has done, 00:40:39.106 --> 00:40:41.510 against a lot of odds. 00:40:41.510 --> 00:40:46.380 And you're right there's a lot of people have done 00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:48.467 everything they could to check us 00:40:48.467 --> 00:40:51.720 and to convince us that they 00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:53.430 should be able to be in charge of it. 00:40:53.430 --> 00:40:56.010 But we do have the constitution. 00:40:56.010 --> 00:40:58.600 But this one, this particular action, 00:40:58.600 --> 00:41:01.070 is the healthiest we've taken on 00:41:01.070 --> 00:41:03.183 in all of this time period, I do believe. 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:05.610 And thank you gentlemen 00:41:06.459 --> 00:41:07.555 for what you've done. 00:41:07.555 --> 00:41:08.523 I appreciate you sharing that. 00:41:09.653 --> 00:41:10.640 And again, my issue is not 00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:12.630 with any anybody in this room. 00:41:12.630 --> 00:41:14.170 We may disagree on social studies 00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:15.520 and science and other issues, 00:41:15.520 --> 00:41:18.210 but when it comes to that PSF fund, 00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:20.580 I think we've been united a 100%. 00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:22.913 Because we understand the value of that money, 00:41:24.141 --> 00:41:26.426 for every child that we serve in this State. 00:41:26.426 --> 00:41:28.840 For generations to come 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.530 after we're no longer on this body 00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.410 and I still have some concerns, 00:41:33.410 --> 00:41:36.703 but I hope we can work through some of that. 00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:41.450 Thank you. 00:41:41.450 --> 00:41:42.617 I just wanted to follow up on 00:41:42.617 --> 00:41:46.943 member Pérez-Díaz on HB 3979. 00:41:47.810 --> 00:41:48.790 I think you mentioned there was 00:41:48.790 --> 00:41:50.200 a lot of press and a lot of people 00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:51.619 wrote about that. 00:41:51.619 --> 00:41:55.880 And I've read the bill and I didn't just... 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:56.810 I'll cut to the chase. 00:41:56.810 --> 00:41:58.644 I got a postcard from a teacher, 00:41:58.644 --> 00:42:00.372 he or she was anonymous, 00:42:00.372 --> 00:42:02.750 and said something about prohibiting 00:42:02.750 --> 00:42:04.740 the teaching of slavery. 00:42:04.740 --> 00:42:05.900 Is that prohibited? 00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.570 Teaching the history of slavery in 00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:09.970 this bill or any other bill you saw the session? 00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:14.090 I don't believe so. 00:42:14.090 --> 00:42:16.560 The bill did go through a number of changes as it 00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:18.497 went through the process. 00:42:18.497 --> 00:42:20.392 And so, depending on when that 00:42:20.392 --> 00:42:21.763 particular individual read the news, 00:42:22.724 --> 00:42:23.572 or read the bill at that stage, 00:42:23.572 --> 00:42:24.997 it could have been in there at one point. 00:42:24.997 --> 00:42:26.030 I don't actually know the history of the bill. 00:42:26.030 --> 00:42:28.848 We as an agency did not have 00:42:28.848 --> 00:42:29.681 a lot to do with that bill. 00:42:29.681 --> 00:42:31.960 So I don't have a lot of information 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.030 on the different iterations of that bill. 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:36.130 It is an eight-page bill. 00:42:36.130 --> 00:42:37.780 It is a rather short bill. 00:42:37.780 --> 00:42:39.470 So, I would advise anybody with 00:42:39.470 --> 00:42:41.348 any questions to of course, 00:42:41.348 --> 00:42:42.181 just read the eight pages. 00:42:42.181 --> 00:42:43.973 It's not as long as it started. 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.980 One thing that the bill required to be done, 00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:56.980 is to make sure that we teach the slavery law of 1793 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.900 and the slavery law of 1850. 00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:04.010 So, I would think if the 00:43:04.010 --> 00:43:06.290 bill requires that we teach those laws, 00:43:06.290 --> 00:43:08.993 that it requires that we teach about slavery. 00:43:13.640 --> 00:43:16.523 Mr. Chair, my question is, I guess, more for you. 00:43:17.643 --> 00:43:20.000 What are the next steps? 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.267 I mean, we have this section here that says, I guess, 00:43:23.267 --> 00:43:25.910 "Bills with SBOE action needed." 00:43:25.910 --> 00:43:28.090 And I see some dates as early 00:43:28.090 --> 00:43:31.915 as September 1, or just overall. 00:43:31.915 --> 00:43:34.610 I mean, I assume there's some rule TEKS 00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:35.690 that we may have to do, 00:43:35.690 --> 00:43:38.250 or something that we have to put forward. 00:43:38.250 --> 00:43:40.600 Are we gonna have a special call board meeting? 00:43:41.902 --> 00:43:42.735 I think we can probably address 00:43:42.735 --> 00:43:44.934 these in the next item which is 00:43:44.934 --> 00:43:45.965 we have a TEKS update. 00:43:45.965 --> 00:43:47.226 Is there anything you wanna add now? 00:43:47.226 --> 00:43:48.170 I will just say Mr. Cortez, 00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:50.530 we typically put together a calendar 00:43:50.530 --> 00:43:52.820 of the action that you need to take, 00:43:52.820 --> 00:43:54.820 and we'll make sure that we keep 00:43:55.694 --> 00:43:56.629 track of all that for you. 00:43:56.629 --> 00:43:58.263 So, Shelly's gonna go through some 00:43:58.263 --> 00:43:59.583 of those timelines and the next item. 00:44:00.720 --> 00:44:01.780 There's at least one bill 00:44:01.780 --> 00:44:03.820 that's not actual rulemaking. 00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:06.010 And so we are still working on 00:44:06.010 --> 00:44:08.010 gathering all that information. 00:44:08.010 --> 00:44:09.950 And we'll work with the Chair to 00:44:09.950 --> 00:44:11.530 get the right items on your 00:44:11.530 --> 00:44:13.920 agenda at the right time. 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.640 The one distinction that I would 00:44:15.640 --> 00:44:17.211 call your attention to is, 00:44:17.211 --> 00:44:19.550 we often have immediate effective 00:44:19.550 --> 00:44:21.530 dates are September 1 effective dates, 00:44:21.530 --> 00:44:23.750 but then there's also language in 00:44:23.750 --> 00:44:26.300 the bill that talks about when it applies. 00:44:26.300 --> 00:44:28.090 So there might be language that 00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:29.420 like the bill is effective, 00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:31.660 but the SBOE is required to take action. 00:44:31.660 --> 00:44:34.910 As Hunter mentioned by December 1, 2022. 00:44:34.910 --> 00:44:37.270 So we will reconcile all of those dates, 00:44:37.270 --> 00:44:39.060 and we'll make sure that you have 00:44:39.060 --> 00:44:41.440 opportunity to hit those deadlines. 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:42.690 Okay. And that's why I was asking. 00:44:42.690 --> 00:44:45.350 'Cause some of them say effective September 1, 00:44:45.350 --> 00:44:47.600 but applies beginning 21/22. 00:44:47.600 --> 00:44:49.576 And if we're not gonna meet 00:44:49.576 --> 00:44:52.230 till we're actually here on September 1, 00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:54.770 and it starts 21/22 school year, 00:44:54.770 --> 00:44:56.580 then we've missed the boat on that one. 00:44:56.580 --> 00:45:00.401 Well we have in the past though 00:45:00.401 --> 00:45:01.986 interpreted the 21/22 school year 00:45:01.986 --> 00:45:03.928 to be not when the school year starts, 00:45:03.928 --> 00:45:05.772 if it applies during that school year. 00:45:05.772 --> 00:45:10.772 We work hard to communicate 00:45:12.511 --> 00:45:13.700 to offices that your rulemaking 00:45:13.700 --> 00:45:15.520 process takes six months, 00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:17.180 and that if they expect you to 00:45:17.180 --> 00:45:19.913 adopt rules by September 1, that can't happen. 00:45:21.356 --> 00:45:24.200 And so there have been times 00:45:24.200 --> 00:45:25.380 in the past when you haven't 00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:27.700 met certain deadlines not because 00:45:27.700 --> 00:45:29.720 of inaction on your part, 00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:31.970 because it's just not possible with the public 00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:35.543 comment period and all the steps you have to take. 00:45:35.543 --> 00:45:37.530 I think you see the results. 00:45:37.530 --> 00:45:38.850 Some of the offices were very 00:45:38.850 --> 00:45:40.829 responsive to our feedback and 00:45:40.829 --> 00:45:43.890 pushed some of that implementation out. 00:45:43.890 --> 00:45:45.810 Not everyone did, 00:45:45.810 --> 00:45:47.640 but we also try to work with Hunter 00:45:47.640 --> 00:45:49.240 and his team to communicate to 00:45:49.240 --> 00:45:52.450 offices that you're working as quickly as 00:45:52.450 --> 00:45:55.503 laws and rules will enable you to take action. 00:45:56.750 --> 00:45:57.990 Mr. Chairman 00:45:57.990 --> 00:45:59.160 Let me finish on that one. 00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:01.067 Mr. Cortez, I think your point's taken 00:46:01.067 --> 00:46:03.106 and the fact that we'll call 00:46:03.106 --> 00:46:03.939 whatever meetings we need to do. 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.102 We'll get our work done. 00:46:06.102 --> 00:46:07.171 But I think she raised a point 00:46:07.171 --> 00:46:08.272 like on 3979, it talked 00:46:08.272 --> 00:46:09.105 about its implemented in September, 00:46:09.105 --> 00:46:11.759 but it had to be done, as you were referencing, 00:46:11.759 --> 00:46:13.230 by the end of 2022. 00:46:13.230 --> 00:46:14.730 There's another similar bill on 00:46:14.730 --> 00:46:17.676 informed patriotism that its effective 00:46:17.676 --> 00:46:18.940 September 1. 00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:20.680 It doesn't give that 2022. 00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:22.020 But essentially when you read the bill, 00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:24.580 it says at our next revision. 00:46:24.580 --> 00:46:27.310 So it goes into effect immediately, 00:46:27.310 --> 00:46:28.670 but it doesn't say we have to have 00:46:28.670 --> 00:46:32.240 that inputted* in our TEKS on September 1, 21, 00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:35.530 as Ms. Martinez says would be technically impossible. 00:46:35.530 --> 00:46:36.720 But it's something that when 00:46:36.720 --> 00:46:38.300 we next do our next revision, 00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:39.400 we would bring those things 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.170 such as informed patriotism into that. 00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:43.940 Okay, Mr. Maynard. 00:46:43.940 --> 00:46:46.630 And just as a follow-up to 00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:49.580 your question related to 1232, 00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:51.979 is that on that one, 00:46:51.979 --> 00:46:54.379 I will tell you that the devil's in the details. 00:46:55.270 --> 00:46:57.560 And I mean, every time you peel 00:46:57.560 --> 00:46:59.670 that onion layer back, you find more. 00:46:59.670 --> 00:47:00.594 And there's a lot. 00:47:00.594 --> 00:47:02.962 Staffs working on a punch list, 00:47:02.962 --> 00:47:06.620 and it's considerable. 00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:09.240 And so, but good news is, 00:47:09.240 --> 00:47:11.330 I mean, and I will tell you this, 00:47:11.330 --> 00:47:15.520 is that our staff and actually the GLO staff 00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:17.483 have actually had a long relationship. 00:47:18.460 --> 00:47:20.480 And they actually work very well together, 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.930 and they've had a good positive relationship. 00:47:24.930 --> 00:47:28.010 And so those guys are on board 00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:29.460 and they're working together. 00:47:30.369 --> 00:47:33.220 And it's gonna be a pretty long list, 00:47:33.220 --> 00:47:35.630 that sort of thing, but we're working pretty hard 00:47:35.630 --> 00:47:36.910 and we're committed to that, 00:47:36.910 --> 00:47:38.240 and are getting it right. 00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:40.843 But yeah, those are those are in motion. 00:47:43.221 --> 00:47:44.459 All right. 00:47:44.459 --> 00:47:46.443 Any other questions from members on the legislative update, 00:47:47.900 --> 00:47:49.050 Mr. Thompson, thank you 00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:52.060 for your patience and appreciate ya. 00:47:52.060 --> 00:47:54.997 And that will close item number three on our agenda, 00:47:54.997 --> 00:47:56.921 and we will move to item number four 00:47:56.921 --> 00:47:58.610 on our Wednesday agenda, which is a TEKS update. 00:47:58.610 --> 00:48:00.103 And I will call on Ms. Ramos. 00:48:04.780 --> 00:48:05.960 Yes, sir. Thank you. 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.980 So for a few topics to talk to you about 00:48:08.980 --> 00:48:12.410 for your TEKS update this meeting, 00:48:12.410 --> 00:48:14.540 because as you know, you've got several subject 00:48:14.540 --> 00:48:16.560 areas under review all at the same time, 00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:19.344 or several subject areas that are about to start. 00:48:19.344 --> 00:48:22.653 So we do have a handout for you, 00:48:23.902 --> 00:48:25.760 several handouts for you that 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.750 Lenny's gonna bring around. 00:48:27.750 --> 00:48:31.250 One of those handouts is your format calendar. 00:48:31.250 --> 00:48:33.870 So if you recall, we try and keep 00:48:33.870 --> 00:48:36.680 you up-to-date with what events are 00:48:36.680 --> 00:48:38.570 happening between now and your 00:48:38.570 --> 00:48:40.209 next State Board of Education meeting. 00:48:40.209 --> 00:48:43.210 So that'll be the top document and handout. 00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:44.910 If you have any questions on that, 00:48:45.822 --> 00:48:46.800 just let me know while I'm up here. 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.390 I wanna just kind of briefly touch on 00:48:48.390 --> 00:48:49.720 each of the subject areas that you 00:48:49.720 --> 00:48:51.490 have under review right now. 00:48:51.490 --> 00:48:54.250 So firstly, science. 00:48:54.250 --> 00:48:55.900 I mentioned on Tuesday 00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:58.240 that your work group F is scheduled 00:48:58.240 --> 00:49:00.790 to meet twice in the month of July, 00:49:00.790 --> 00:49:03.380 hopefully to finalize those recommendations 00:49:03.380 --> 00:49:04.300 for science TEKS. 00:49:04.300 --> 00:49:06.260 And you'll see the dates of those meetings 00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:09.610 on the calendar when it makes its way around to you. 00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:12.640 If you would like to participate in those virtual meetings, 00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:14.640 please just let SBOE support staff know, 00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:17.190 and they can get you the information that you need. 00:49:18.120 --> 00:49:19.387 Then moving on to CTE, 00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:24.730 Yolanda sent you on a Wednesday I believe, 00:49:24.730 --> 00:49:27.930 the list that was requested for the CTE courses 00:49:27.930 --> 00:49:30.540 that had received business and industry feedback, 00:49:30.540 --> 00:49:32.300 and the list of courses that have not yet 00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:34.880 received business and industry feedback. 00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.440 If you happen to reach out 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:37.490 to business and industry, 00:49:37.490 --> 00:49:39.970 to ask them to provide us feedback, 00:49:39.970 --> 00:49:40.803 a couple of things, 00:49:40.803 --> 00:49:43.030 one is, you can feel free to put 00:49:43.030 --> 00:49:45.060 them in touch with Jessica or me and 00:49:45.060 --> 00:49:46.150 we'll get them what they need. 00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.140 Or you can send them to the draft 00:49:48.140 --> 00:49:50.843 recommendations on the website, if that's easier. 00:49:50.843 --> 00:49:52.410 And we would ask that if they 00:49:52.410 --> 00:49:54.190 are gonna submit any feedback, 00:49:54.190 --> 00:49:57.690 if possible to get it to us by the end of July, 00:49:57.690 --> 00:49:59.640 so that then we can make determinations 00:49:59.640 --> 00:50:01.000 on whether or not we need to bring 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.541 the work groups back to do some additional 00:50:03.541 --> 00:50:04.893 work before your September meeting. 00:50:06.464 --> 00:50:09.040 Lastly, on the topic of CTE, 00:50:09.040 --> 00:50:10.870 there are three other programs 00:50:10.870 --> 00:50:12.660 of study that still need to 00:50:12.660 --> 00:50:15.404 come in and do some work as part of this cycle. 00:50:15.404 --> 00:50:17.648 That is cybersecurity, agriculture, 00:50:17.648 --> 00:50:22.780 food and natural resources, and renewable energy. 00:50:22.780 --> 00:50:25.660 So we would anticipate sometime in September, 00:50:25.660 --> 00:50:27.735 bringing in work groups to start that work. 00:50:27.735 --> 00:50:31.460 But by then, you should be wrapping up 00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:34.127 your other programs of study for CTE. 00:50:35.740 --> 00:50:38.230 Moving on to technology applications. 00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:41.110 So you have begun that process. 00:50:41.110 --> 00:50:43.360 If you recall, every process begins 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:44.906 with a survey and applications. 00:50:44.906 --> 00:50:46.303 Thank you for those of you 00:50:46.303 --> 00:50:47.960 that have been approving the 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:49.320 applications for technology. 00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.210 Applications that we've been sending to you. 00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:55.420 We are a little bit light on K5 teachers. 00:50:55.420 --> 00:50:57.380 So for those of you who keep 00:50:57.380 --> 00:51:02.019 in contact with districts in your district, 00:51:02.019 --> 00:51:04.266 I would just ask that to encourage any 00:51:04.266 --> 00:51:07.530 K5 teachers to submit an application 00:51:07.530 --> 00:51:09.130 to serve on those work groups. 00:51:09.130 --> 00:51:10.180 We do have enough people 00:51:10.180 --> 00:51:11.540 to get that process started. 00:51:11.540 --> 00:51:12.700 And so at the end of July, 00:51:12.700 --> 00:51:15.870 we would anticipate bringing in work group A, 00:51:15.870 --> 00:51:18.900 and your content advisors are working on feedback. 00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:21.120 So, as soon as we have that feedback from them, 00:51:21.120 --> 00:51:23.314 we'll send that to you and we'll be 00:51:23.314 --> 00:51:25.150 ready to convene our work group A meeting. 00:51:25.150 --> 00:51:26.440 So that's sort of where we are 00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.250 with technology applications. 00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:31.330 The second handout in your packet there, 00:51:31.330 --> 00:51:33.120 is the survey results. 00:51:33.120 --> 00:51:35.980 I mentioned that we start the process with the survey. 00:51:35.980 --> 00:51:39.100 So we've provided you with aggregate level 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:42.910 survey results for technology applications. 00:51:42.910 --> 00:51:45.530 If you would like to dig deeper into the data, 00:51:45.530 --> 00:51:46.970 just let me know, and we can get you 00:51:46.970 --> 00:51:51.570 the free responses probably sometime next week. 00:51:51.570 --> 00:51:52.917 This goes to work group A, 00:51:52.917 --> 00:51:55.810 and to the content advisors. 00:51:55.810 --> 00:51:57.050 And we ask them to take a 00:51:57.050 --> 00:51:59.130 look at it because it may guide the 00:51:59.970 --> 00:52:02.170 recommendations that they make for the TEKS. 00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:05.800 So that's it for technology applications. 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:07.570 And then I'll move on to your 00:52:07.570 --> 00:52:09.774 next subject area that's coming up for review, 00:52:09.774 --> 00:52:12.490 and that is social studies. 00:52:12.490 --> 00:52:14.830 So as Monica mentioned to you, 00:52:14.830 --> 00:52:17.240 and as you heard Hunter tell you, 00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:18.870 there are a couple of pieces 00:52:18.870 --> 00:52:20.830 of legislation that will impact 00:52:20.830 --> 00:52:23.328 the TEK review for social studies, 00:52:23.328 --> 00:52:28.328 Senate Bill 1063, House Bill 3979, and House Bill 4509. 00:52:30.770 --> 00:52:34.070 And as you all have had that conversation, 00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:36.900 House Bill 3979 establishes that these 00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:41.160 TEKS should be adopted by December 31st of, 2022. 00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:43.070 So because it was already your 00:52:43.070 --> 00:52:44.690 next subject area for review, 00:52:44.690 --> 00:52:47.320 we made some minor tweaks to the schedule. 00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.390 And we have you on track to adopting 00:52:50.390 --> 00:52:54.610 those standards in November of 2022. 00:52:54.610 --> 00:52:58.660 I will caution you that those timelines as you well know, 00:52:58.660 --> 00:53:01.320 those of you been on the board for some time, 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.130 can run off schedule for any number of reasons. 00:53:04.130 --> 00:53:05.960 So we'll be giving you updates 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.640 and reminders and letting you know, 00:53:07.640 --> 00:53:09.970 if there are things we need from you, 00:53:09.970 --> 00:53:11.786 to keep the process moving on track. 00:53:11.786 --> 00:53:17.170 So to that end, the last handout in your packet, 00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.240 has two things on it. 00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:22.520 One, is it has that proposed timeline for social studies. 00:53:22.520 --> 00:53:23.920 So you can see right now 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.300 we're in the preparation stages. 00:53:26.300 --> 00:53:28.140 We're working on the survey, 00:53:28.140 --> 00:53:31.210 we're working on the application for educators, 00:53:31.210 --> 00:53:32.830 and I'll talk to you in just a second 00:53:32.830 --> 00:53:35.100 about identifying content advisers, 00:53:35.100 --> 00:53:37.800 'cause that's the first thing we usually start with. 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.630 Then we'll work on getting recommendations 00:53:41.630 --> 00:53:42.810 not only from the board, 00:53:42.810 --> 00:53:45.370 but also from your content advisors, 00:53:45.370 --> 00:53:47.480 as the second stage in the process, 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.300 that'll happen this fall. 00:53:49.300 --> 00:53:51.770 And then from about November to May, 00:53:51.770 --> 00:53:53.410 we'll be convening your work groups. 00:53:53.410 --> 00:53:56.850 So that's pretty much, obviously in any review, 00:53:56.850 --> 00:53:58.150 the bulk of the time is spent 00:53:58.150 --> 00:53:59.410 with the work groups. 00:53:59.410 --> 00:54:01.300 So we'll be doing that. 00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:02.640 We haven't made a decision, 00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:05.090 but we are exploring moving 00:54:05.090 --> 00:54:06.700 back to face-to-face meetings. 00:54:06.700 --> 00:54:09.000 So that will probably be a positive, 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.900 I think, for folks. 00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:13.721 Face to face meetings of those work groups, 00:54:13.721 --> 00:54:15.790 but then of course, supplementing 00:54:15.790 --> 00:54:17.283 it with virtual as needed. 00:54:18.150 --> 00:54:20.522 And so bottom line is we've got you on track. 00:54:20.522 --> 00:54:22.255 That's your timeline, 00:54:22.255 --> 00:54:24.756 just to give you a very high level 00:54:24.756 --> 00:54:28.150 understanding of what we have planned. 00:54:28.150 --> 00:54:30.960 On the reverse of that document is 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.253 my ask-of-you for today. 00:54:34.770 --> 00:54:36.320 So this is your homework assignment. 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.180 This is a very important homework assignment. 00:54:39.180 --> 00:54:40.816 So I've mentioned a couple 00:54:40.816 --> 00:54:42.119 of times your content advisor. 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.040 So this is the time to start thinking about identifying 00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:49.240 content advisors for your social studies TEK review. 00:54:49.240 --> 00:54:53.130 As in the past, it requires two 00:54:53.130 --> 00:54:56.240 State Board of Education members to agree 00:54:56.240 --> 00:54:58.950 to designate one content advisor. 00:54:58.950 --> 00:55:00.840 So find yourself a Betty* 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.860 and designate a content advisor. 00:55:03.860 --> 00:55:06.370 Because this is a foundation subject, 00:55:06.370 --> 00:55:08.830 your process also calls for 00:55:08.830 --> 00:55:12.380 two content advisors to be named 00:55:12.380 --> 00:55:15.160 by the Commissioner of Higher Education 00:55:15.160 --> 00:55:18.850 to represent Texas Colleges and Universities. 00:55:18.850 --> 00:55:23.040 So it's possible that you could have up to seven 00:55:23.040 --> 00:55:25.320 designated by State Board of Education members, 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.080 plus two from the Commissioner of Higher Education. 00:55:28.080 --> 00:55:29.690 So we can have as many as 00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:32.710 nine content advisors for this review. 00:55:32.710 --> 00:55:36.700 There is a deadline for you of July 30th, 00:55:36.700 --> 00:55:39.540 to identify your content advisors. 00:55:39.540 --> 00:55:41.280 So just wanna remind you of that. 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.663 And Yolanda's* wonderful. 00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:45.010 And she'll give you updates periodically 00:55:47.178 --> 00:55:48.760 to remind you of that deadline. 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.805 We do ask that you send us 00:55:50.805 --> 00:55:51.942 their contact information, 00:55:51.942 --> 00:55:53.440 and if you have a resume or CV, 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:58.193 and you can send that all to SBOE support by July 30. 00:56:00.610 --> 00:56:03.053 Any questions about content advisors? 00:56:07.950 --> 00:56:12.030 I just had a clarifying question on the timeline. 00:56:12.030 --> 00:56:14.530 And I've only been here a couple of years. 00:56:14.530 --> 00:56:16.320 But I do see that we get off track 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.620 sometimes on the TEKS revision schedule. 00:56:19.620 --> 00:56:21.130 But we can't get off track. 00:56:21.130 --> 00:56:22.140 Ain't that right? 00:56:22.140 --> 00:56:25.500 We have to have it by November, by that law? 00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:26.900 Well, as Monica mentioned, 00:56:26.900 --> 00:56:28.840 sometimes for various reasons, 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.480 you don't quite meet the timeline established in law. 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:34.960 I think we're going to urge you to 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.150 stay on the timeline because it does have 00:56:37.150 --> 00:56:39.350 downstream impact for your other subject areas. 00:56:39.350 --> 00:56:41.370 So that law is not definite then? 00:56:41.370 --> 00:56:43.360 Well, so I would say in order to be 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:44.470 in compliance with the law, 00:56:44.470 --> 00:56:46.017 you need to stick with this timeline. 00:56:46.017 --> 00:56:48.149 Yeah. I think it's pretty straight forward, ain't it? 00:56:48.149 --> 00:56:48.982 Yeah. 00:56:48.982 --> 00:56:49.815 Yeah. 00:56:59.010 --> 00:57:02.530 We did include the requirements for qualifications, 00:57:02.530 --> 00:57:05.130 for content advisors on that handout. 00:57:05.130 --> 00:57:06.770 So you have that with you. 00:57:06.770 --> 00:57:08.770 You can hang it on your refrigerator 00:57:08.770 --> 00:57:11.500 when you get home as a reminder to you. 00:57:11.500 --> 00:57:12.333 All right. 00:57:12.333 --> 00:57:14.100 So the last thing I wanted 00:57:14.100 --> 00:57:15.830 to visit with you about today. 00:57:15.830 --> 00:57:17.210 You heard both Monica and Hunter 00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:20.240 talk a little bit about the legislation 00:57:20.240 --> 00:57:22.980 and how there are certain topics 00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:24.270 that will need to be addressed in 00:57:24.270 --> 00:57:26.070 your social studies TEK review. 00:57:26.070 --> 00:57:27.713 So there are two handouts. 00:57:28.713 --> 00:57:31.370 The two thicker handouts in that packet. 00:57:31.370 --> 00:57:36.064 We did a comparison of the topics that are required 00:57:36.064 --> 00:57:41.064 by House Bill 3979, and by House Bill 4509, 00:57:42.010 --> 00:57:45.433 to what you currently have in your current TEKS. 00:57:45.433 --> 00:57:48.180 So on the left-hand side, 00:57:48.180 --> 00:57:50.450 you'll see the topic from the bills. 00:57:50.450 --> 00:57:54.321 And then we tried to make a general 00:57:54.321 --> 00:57:55.183 statement about the current TEKS. 00:57:56.516 --> 00:57:57.653 And then on the right-hand side, 00:57:57.653 --> 00:57:59.351 we provide you with the actual language 00:57:59.351 --> 00:58:00.850 from your current student expectations. 00:58:00.850 --> 00:58:02.097 So I think what I would say, 00:58:02.097 --> 00:58:04.050 and what you'll see in looking at the document, 00:58:04.050 --> 00:58:05.400 is many of those topics are 00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.130 already addressed in your current standards. 00:58:08.130 --> 00:58:09.990 There are some obviously that are not, 00:58:09.990 --> 00:58:12.970 and would need to be addressed by the work groups. 00:58:12.970 --> 00:58:16.850 There are some that are addressed in different ways, 00:58:16.850 --> 00:58:18.810 maybe not to the level of specificity 00:58:18.810 --> 00:58:21.140 that's required in the legislation. 00:58:21.140 --> 00:58:22.170 But for those of you who aren't 00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:24.190 familiar with those two pieces of legislation, 00:58:24.190 --> 00:58:25.890 we wanted to kind of give you this 00:58:25.890 --> 00:58:28.860 as background information so that you're aware. 00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:32.440 House Bill 4509 is, 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.170 Dr. Ellis mentioned it a moment ago, 00:58:34.170 --> 00:58:35.940 about informed patriotism. 00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:37.800 It also includes some topics. 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.380 Many of those topics are the 00:58:39.380 --> 00:58:43.430 same as those identified in House Bill 3979. 00:58:43.430 --> 00:58:45.270 So we didn't repeat those. 00:58:45.270 --> 00:58:48.030 We only provided for you in the second handout, 00:58:48.030 --> 00:58:51.683 the ones that are unique to House Bill 4509. 00:58:56.736 --> 00:59:00.060 So this is all information of course, 00:59:00.060 --> 00:59:02.300 that we'll share with your content advisors 00:59:02.300 --> 00:59:03.170 and with your work groups, 00:59:03.170 --> 00:59:04.820 Once we get to that point, 00:59:04.820 --> 00:59:09.030 but with the exception of content advisors, 00:59:09.030 --> 00:59:11.910 we're still a little bit away from starting 00:59:11.910 --> 00:59:14.670 the social studies TEK review process. 00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:17.020 We are planning at the beginning 00:59:17.020 --> 00:59:20.400 of August to post a survey and an application. 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.220 We will let you know in case you 00:59:22.220 --> 00:59:23.926 want to message that to 00:59:23.926 --> 00:59:26.950 your superintendents in your district. 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:30.580 Thank you, Ms. Ramos. 00:59:30.580 --> 00:59:31.520 And before I go on any questions, 00:59:31.520 --> 00:59:34.060 I do wanna point out one thing on 3979, 00:59:34.060 --> 00:59:36.686 if you all have not seen that document before. 00:59:36.686 --> 00:59:38.870 The side by side. 00:59:38.870 --> 00:59:41.890 If you flip through that, the right hand column is 00:59:41.890 --> 00:59:43.530 our current student expectations. 00:59:43.530 --> 00:59:47.160 And as you go through that 18-page document, 00:59:47.160 --> 00:59:49.280 almost every single one of those columns 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.019 has something in there where 00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:51.860 we're already teaching that. 00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:52.930 There's just a handful. 00:59:52.930 --> 00:59:56.440 So a majority of 3979* is already on our TEKS, 00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:59.573 except for a few small items. 01:00:00.850 --> 01:00:02.060 That being said, any other items 01:00:02.060 --> 01:00:03.943 or any other questions for Ms. Ramos? 01:00:05.650 --> 01:00:08.370 I would highlight the content advisor, 01:00:08.370 --> 01:00:10.260 that is going to come up very quickly. 01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:14.110 And so I think that's your take-home job 01:00:14.110 --> 01:00:15.860 as soon as we leave our meeting 01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:16.910 today to start working on that, 01:00:16.910 --> 01:00:18.560 because we want to make sure that 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:20.660 we have high quality individuals on that. 01:00:20.660 --> 01:00:22.869 And that's not something you 01:00:22.869 --> 01:00:23.702 can just recruit someone overnight. 01:00:23.702 --> 01:00:25.220 So I echo her comments about 01:00:25.220 --> 01:00:28.260 the importance of getting ready for that by July. 01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:30.288 We have someone over here. 01:00:30.288 --> 01:00:31.121 Ms. Pérez 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.380 And just as a reminder, 01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:38.370 cause we get this question 01:00:38.370 --> 01:00:40.210 every time with content advisors, 01:00:40.210 --> 01:00:41.730 we do provide them specific 01:00:41.730 --> 01:00:44.730 details about the charge that they have. 01:00:44.730 --> 01:00:47.079 There is a stipend provided. 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.350 We do personal services contracts 01:00:49.350 --> 01:00:50.820 with these individuals. 01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:52.990 It's not a lot of money, but it is a small stipend 01:00:52.990 --> 01:00:55.480 that they'd get paid for this work. 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:56.313 Ms. Little. 01:00:57.447 --> 01:00:58.880 Shelly, can you give us an update 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:03.010 of where we are on the Asian American Studies 01:01:03.010 --> 01:01:05.230 and the Native American Studies Courses? 01:01:05.230 --> 01:01:07.803 Yes ma'am. So we have heard, 01:01:07.803 --> 01:01:09.640 and Ms. Pérez-Díaz 01:01:09.640 --> 01:01:12.320 might be able to give a little bit of update, 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:14.190 but there are some districts 01:01:14.190 --> 01:01:15.190 and parents that are working 01:01:15.190 --> 01:01:17.441 together on a draft of an application 01:01:17.441 --> 01:01:19.057 for an innovative course for 01:01:19.057 --> 01:01:22.530 the Asian American Studies Course. 01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:25.730 And I know that they and Pérez-Díaz, 01:01:25.730 --> 01:01:28.850 have been in contact with our staff 01:01:28.850 --> 01:01:31.490 who oversee innovative courses. 01:01:31.490 --> 01:01:32.980 The application for innovative 01:01:32.980 --> 01:01:35.400 courses isn't due until the fall. 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.300 But it's a good sign that 01:01:37.300 --> 01:01:39.850 they've gotten a head-start on that work. 01:01:39.850 --> 01:01:41.870 If you have individuals that 01:01:41.870 --> 01:01:43.310 are interested in that process, 01:01:43.310 --> 01:01:45.117 'cause I know some of you have 01:01:45.117 --> 01:01:46.077 mentioned that to us, 01:01:46.077 --> 01:01:47.430 I'd be happy to put them in touch 01:01:47.430 --> 01:01:49.010 with the group that's currently working 01:01:49.010 --> 01:01:50.130 on that so that everybody who wants to, 01:01:50.130 --> 01:01:52.370 can be involved in that. 01:01:52.370 --> 01:01:53.812 Okay. 01:01:53.812 --> 01:01:54.900 *When will that* 01:01:56.371 --> 01:01:57.507 We don't have an update. 01:01:57.507 --> 01:01:58.969 We haven't heard very much on the 01:01:58.969 --> 01:02:00.810 topic of a Native American Studies Course, 01:02:00.810 --> 01:02:04.530 but some board members may know more than we do. 01:02:04.530 --> 01:02:05.363 Miss Hardy. 01:02:07.367 --> 01:02:10.999 Brian Pri ISD*. We'll be teaching. 01:02:10.999 --> 01:02:14.570 I think they're working on the... 01:02:14.570 --> 01:02:17.176 I'm surprised you haven't heard from them. 01:02:17.176 --> 01:02:21.230 Because application hasn't posted, 01:02:21.230 --> 01:02:23.850 it's not unusual for us not to hear about them. 01:02:23.850 --> 01:02:25.760 But some applicants just wanna get a 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:27.881 head start and they're more than welcome... 01:02:27.881 --> 01:02:29.751 They wanted to do it in the fall. 01:02:29.751 --> 01:02:31.175 Great. 01:02:31.175 --> 01:02:32.423 They're planning the innovative course in the fall. 01:02:33.285 --> 01:02:36.182 So I'm gonna get them to check back with you. 01:02:36.182 --> 01:02:38.770 The contact information is on the website, 01:02:38.770 --> 01:02:41.460 and I will be happy to reach out to them* 01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:42.864 I've already told them to do it, 01:02:42.864 --> 01:02:43.697 and I thought that they had. 01:02:43.697 --> 01:02:46.623 I just wanna be clear here on timelines. 01:02:47.611 --> 01:02:52.611 So for courses to be taught as innovative courses 01:02:52.820 --> 01:02:56.220 in the fall of 2021, that deadline has passed. 01:02:56.220 --> 01:02:58.370 So the next deadline that Shelley's 01:02:58.370 --> 01:03:00.585 talking about is for courses that 01:03:00.585 --> 01:03:01.610 would be implemented as 01:03:04.179 --> 01:03:06.220 innovative courses in 2022. 01:03:06.220 --> 01:03:08.770 It may be that a district is 01:03:08.770 --> 01:03:10.590 planning to work on something 01:03:10.590 --> 01:03:12.350 through special topics in social studies 01:03:12.350 --> 01:03:14.260 or some other means while they 01:03:14.260 --> 01:03:16.430 develop an application, 01:03:16.430 --> 01:03:18.790 but I don't wanna create too 01:03:18.790 --> 01:03:20.403 much confusion out there. 01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:23.250 There is not enough time for us 01:03:23.250 --> 01:03:26.170 to receive and approve an application 01:03:26.170 --> 01:03:29.178 for an innovative course for fall of 2020. 01:03:29.178 --> 01:03:30.011 And they don't plan to. 01:03:30.011 --> 01:03:31.692 I've been in contact with Grand Prairie, 01:03:31.692 --> 01:03:33.099 they're taking their time 01:03:33.099 --> 01:03:34.271 and they're still developing. 01:03:34.271 --> 01:03:36.173 They have no plans on submitting that soon. 01:03:36.173 --> 01:03:37.006 They wanna make sure it's right. 01:03:38.075 --> 01:03:39.085 And am I correct in 01:03:39.085 --> 01:03:39.918 understanding too in the process, 01:03:39.918 --> 01:03:42.420 that a district can develop a local course in teaching 01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.470 under special topics, 01:03:44.470 --> 01:03:46.510 which is what* the Mexican American State. 01:03:46.510 --> 01:03:48.860 So I think it's been past precedent 01:03:48.860 --> 01:03:51.030 for them to develop it, teach it, 01:03:51.030 --> 01:03:52.300 learn from their own students, 01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:53.740 how that course works before they 01:03:53.740 --> 01:03:55.490 get to the next step, 01:03:55.490 --> 01:03:56.480 which is the innovative courses. 01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.613 And then as we've done with some of 01:03:58.613 --> 01:04:00.211 those courses that are innovative courses, 01:04:00.211 --> 01:04:01.627 make them teach space* course. 01:04:01.627 --> 01:04:02.827 That's absolutely true. 01:04:02.827 --> 01:04:04.530 In fact, the revised innovative course process, 01:04:04.530 --> 01:04:06.970 the board rules encourage districts 01:04:06.970 --> 01:04:08.234 to pilot it before applying. 01:04:08.234 --> 01:04:11.090 Right. And just kind of one 01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:13.310 more fine point on that discussion. 01:04:13.310 --> 01:04:14.410 I think many years ago, 01:04:14.410 --> 01:04:16.640 the first ethnic studies course we adopted 01:04:16.640 --> 01:04:18.370 was Mexican American Studies. 01:04:18.370 --> 01:04:20.360 And at that time, or might've been, 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.964 we adopted them African American Studies, 01:04:22.964 --> 01:04:24.260 we called for a total of four courses, 01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:25.950 the Mexican American Studies, 01:04:25.950 --> 01:04:28.291 African American Studies, Asian American Studies 01:04:28.291 --> 01:04:29.223 and Native American Studies. 01:04:30.952 --> 01:04:31.785 Is that correct? 01:04:33.923 --> 01:04:37.480 I wanna be careful about the language I use. 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:42.330 There was an official call, but the language in your 01:04:42.330 --> 01:04:44.470 operating procedures, and now in your rules, 01:04:44.470 --> 01:04:46.990 does identify courses such as, 01:04:46.990 --> 01:04:48.290 and it does include some of those. 01:04:48.290 --> 01:04:49.650 Yes, sir. 01:04:49.650 --> 01:04:52.610 And Ms. Pérez-Díaz had something to add I think. 01:05:03.401 --> 01:05:06.115 You have all the instrumental in help 01:05:06.115 --> 01:05:08.340 in the US Senate timeline that we're working with. 01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:09.173 I have been working with several experts 01:05:09.173 --> 01:05:14.141 nationwide and Statewide who 01:05:14.141 --> 01:05:17.940 already developed a draft proposal. 01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:21.243 It's ready to go for the application bid* 01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:24.840 We used the Mexican American Studies and 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.990 African-American Studies framework. 01:05:26.990 --> 01:05:29.540 So that we were in line with the different 01:05:29.540 --> 01:05:33.450 strands that have been a pretty consistent route*. 01:05:33.450 --> 01:05:38.260 And so afterthat pretty valid first draft, 01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:42.070 I'm excited to share that once the professors 01:05:42.070 --> 01:05:44.980 I'm working with feel comfortable that 01:05:44.980 --> 01:05:49.300 we're in a place that they can share out.* 01:05:49.300 --> 01:05:53.087 But all that to say, we have representatives* in 01:05:54.202 --> 01:05:55.902 from Houston to Dallas, to the San 01:05:57.583 --> 01:05:58.416 Antonio area and even beyond Texas, 01:05:58.416 --> 01:06:01.690 just to get a little more perspective 01:06:01.690 --> 01:06:05.070 from the conversations* taking place. 01:06:05.070 --> 01:06:10.070 And so there are some pretty significant individuals 01:06:11.311 --> 01:06:15.720 in the field that are a part of this conversation. 01:06:15.720 --> 01:06:17.440 So I'm very excited about it. 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.897 Anybody that wants to be involved, 01:06:18.897 --> 01:06:21.740 I'm more than happy to have conversations 01:06:21.740 --> 01:06:23.430 with any of my colleagues, 01:06:23.430 --> 01:06:27.080 anybody that wants to offer up additional individuals 01:06:27.080 --> 01:06:29.270 who would like to participate. 01:06:29.270 --> 01:06:30.810 Absolutely, the more the merrier. 01:06:30.810 --> 01:06:33.130 I think that we're in a place where we're 01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:35.380 ready to start presenting. 01:06:35.380 --> 01:06:37.732 So thank you all so much. 01:06:37.732 --> 01:06:39.162 If you have any questions, 01:06:39.162 --> 01:06:40.493 feel free to reach out to me. 01:06:40.493 --> 01:06:42.760 Or Kelsey* also has a lot of that information too. 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:44.935 Like I said, she's been helping me 01:06:44.935 --> 01:06:46.150 with the timeline and what the process 01:06:46.150 --> 01:06:49.263 should look like for the two* American studies. 01:06:53.319 --> 01:06:57.269 Would it be possible for us to see a draft 01:06:57.269 --> 01:07:00.811 of that Asian-American Studies Course? 01:07:00.811 --> 01:07:04.222 We've not received one and the... 01:07:04.222 --> 01:07:09.222 Ms. Pérez Díaz, would you wanna respond 01:07:11.903 --> 01:07:14.763 to Ms. Little's request. 01:07:19.041 --> 01:07:20.813 Yes. *should have something solid by mid-July. 01:07:24.249 --> 01:07:26.166 And so, I'm happy that* 01:07:38.290 --> 01:07:40.849 We're losing her, but it sounded like she 01:07:40.849 --> 01:07:42.300 would have a draft ready by mid-July. 01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:44.240 So she can pipe back in a little bit 01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:45.913 if she's able to restore that. 01:07:47.040 --> 01:07:49.140 Alright. Any other questions from members? 01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:54.280 Alright, Ms. Ramos, thank you very much. 01:07:55.424 --> 01:07:56.720 And that concludes our items for the 01:07:56.720 --> 01:07:58.567 Committee of the Full Board. 01:07:58.567 --> 01:08:01.008 So members that concludes our Wednesday 01:08:01.008 --> 01:08:04.660 agenda items for the Committee of the Full Board 01:08:04.660 --> 01:08:06.920 for Wednesdays agendas. 01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:10.443 So without any objection, we will adjourn that meeting. 01:08:11.720 --> 01:08:14.990 And now we will move to open the State Board of Education, 01:08:14.990 --> 01:08:19.697 June 25th, 2021 meeting 01:08:23.860 --> 01:08:26.354 of the Texas State Board of Education. 01:08:26.354 --> 01:08:29.720 Another welcome to everyone. Welcome to our meeting. 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.470 I do wanna say something in response to earlier in the week. 01:08:33.470 --> 01:08:34.950 I wanna remind everyone on this 01:08:34.950 --> 01:08:37.616 board that we have an expectation that 01:08:37.616 --> 01:08:39.620 all individuals will conduct themselves with decorum 01:08:39.620 --> 01:08:42.760 at all times when participating in our meetings. 01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:44.850 The board does wanna hear from all individuals, 01:08:44.850 --> 01:08:47.981 regardless of point of view, who wished to provide 01:08:47.981 --> 01:08:49.240 testimony on issues of public policy 01:08:49.240 --> 01:08:51.170 that the board is considering. 01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:54.190 Individuals should remain focused on the issue at hand, 01:08:54.190 --> 01:08:57.000 and refrain from personal attacks of any kind. 01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.110 Such as the language that we have 01:08:59.110 --> 01:09:01.272 in our board operating procedures. 01:09:01.272 --> 01:09:04.260 That our board operating procedures does establish 01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:07.250 that the presiding Chair may direct disruptive individuals 01:09:07.250 --> 01:09:09.805 into the gallery area and be removed as necessary 01:09:09.805 --> 01:09:12.330 to preserve the decorum during our meetings. 01:09:12.330 --> 01:09:15.110 And individuals who conduct themselves 01:09:15.110 --> 01:09:17.680 other than in a professional and respectful 01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:20.026 manner could be removed from the meeting. 01:09:20.026 --> 01:09:22.923 So I just wanted to point that out before we get started, 01:09:24.570 --> 01:09:28.300 I want to begin with our virtual student performance 01:09:28.300 --> 01:09:29.220 that we have today. 01:09:29.220 --> 01:09:30.650 And I believe Ms. Pérez-Díaz, 01:09:30.650 --> 01:09:32.777 will be doing the introductions. 01:09:32.777 --> 01:09:33.870 Do we have her back? 01:09:33.870 --> 01:09:35.100 I'm here* 01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:36.220 Okay, we've got ya. 01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:41.220 Alright, well, so good morning fellow board members, 01:09:42.350 --> 01:09:46.594 our TEA team, and all of our guests who are tuning in, 01:09:46.594 --> 01:09:48.490 whether they are virtual or there in person. 01:09:48.490 --> 01:09:50.620 It's my honor to introduce our first, 01:09:50.620 --> 01:09:52.810 since my tenure on the board began, 01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:55.350 if not ever, summer student performance group. 01:09:55.350 --> 01:10:00.181 So in 1984, the Mariachi Nuevo Santander 01:10:00.181 --> 01:10:04.960 group from Roma Texas, brought to 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.643 life a tradition that is near and dear to 01:10:07.643 --> 01:10:10.780 my heart for over 27 years to the valley*. 01:10:10.780 --> 01:10:13.300 So this phenomenal group of young artists supported 01:10:13.300 --> 01:10:15.530 by superintendent Carlos Guzman, 01:10:15.530 --> 01:10:16.960 and under the direction of 01:10:18.047 --> 01:10:19.730 their musical director, Eloy Garza, 01:10:19.730 --> 01:10:22.220 are part of a long tradition and legacy of award winning 01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:25.240 cultural and artful celebration and vibrancy, 01:10:25.240 --> 01:10:28.980 Mariachi Nuevo Santander has won 14 national titles, 01:10:28.980 --> 01:10:32.760 performed on Season 12 of America's Got Talent, 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.240 they had an online performance that 01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:36.520 went viral during the pandemic, and they've 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.913 been featured on The Kelly Clarkson Show. 01:10:38.913 --> 01:10:42.510 Three weeks ago, the US Department of Education 01:10:42.510 --> 01:10:44.750 actually reached out to the Texas Education Agency 01:10:44.750 --> 01:10:47.940 to see if we could identify Mariachi performance group 01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:51.047 to showcase at their virtual summit 01:10:51.047 --> 01:10:54.140 on Building Equitable Learning Environments in Our Schools. 01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:59.140 Roma ISD, their Mariachi came together in just about a week, 01:11:00.030 --> 01:11:02.370 and put together this amazing performance 01:11:02.370 --> 01:11:05.440 And so without further ado, I wanna introduce 01:11:05.440 --> 01:11:07.933 Roma's ISD's Mariachi Nuevo Santander 01:11:13.300 --> 01:11:14.700 Hello, secretary Cardona, 01:11:14.700 --> 01:11:17.320 and hello US Department of Education, 01:11:17.320 --> 01:11:20.030 we are Mariachi <v ->Nuevo Santander 01:11:20.030 --> 01:11:22.970 From Roma High School and my name is Eloy Garza, 01:11:22.970 --> 01:11:26.221 musical director, Speaking Spanish* 01:11:26.221 --> 01:11:28.890 We're honored to share with you 01:11:28.890 --> 01:11:30.620 a piece of Mexican folk music 01:11:30.620 --> 01:11:32.263 known as Speaking Spanish* 01:11:32.263 --> 01:11:33.960 from our beautiful morning* town, 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.293 in the city of Roma, Texas to DC*. 01:11:36.293 --> 01:11:39.060 We hope you enjoy our music, Speaking Spanish* 01:11:39.060 --> 01:11:42.930 and that it delights your hearts with joy and happiness. 01:11:42.930 --> 01:11:46.610 Feel free to get up, dance, and let the music movie you 01:11:46.610 --> 01:11:50.090 We present to you the award winning nationally recognized 01:11:50.090 --> 01:11:53.254 Mariachi Nuevo Santander, from Roma High School. 01:11:53.254 --> 01:11:54.686 Enjoy. 01:11:54.686 --> 01:11:58.019 (Classic music palying) 01:14:17.641 --> 01:14:20.641 (Audience clapping) 01:14:30.773 --> 01:14:33.690 That was fantastic. And I wanna thank very much 01:14:33.690 --> 01:14:36.270 the Roma High School for participating 01:14:36.270 --> 01:14:39.757 in our meeting today and bringing that to us. 01:14:39.757 --> 01:14:43.750 We will now call him Mr. Hickman to bring 01:14:43.750 --> 01:14:46.393 us the invocation and lead us in the pledges. 01:15:00.860 --> 01:15:02.110 Will you please stand with me for 01:15:02.110 --> 01:15:03.660 the invocation and the pledges. 01:15:10.980 --> 01:15:13.920 Father God. I pray today for the State Board of Education, 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.560 who you haven't trusted leadership in this State. 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:18.726 And for our families that share 01:15:18.726 --> 01:15:20.260 the responsibility in burdens. 01:15:20.260 --> 01:15:22.120 I pray that you'll help bring us together, 01:15:22.120 --> 01:15:25.410 rise above and seek the larger vision of your will. 01:15:25.410 --> 01:15:28.720 Give us calmness, encouragement and humility. 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.500 Give us wisdom to know what is right, 01:15:30.500 --> 01:15:34.210 and courage to make decisions aligned with your will. 01:15:34.210 --> 01:15:35.810 We commit this meeting to you. 01:15:35.810 --> 01:15:38.223 I pray all of this in Jesus name. Amen. 01:15:39.410 --> 01:15:40.863 Have a pledge to US flag. 01:15:42.270 --> 01:15:45.030 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 01:15:45.030 --> 01:15:47.210 United States of America, 01:15:47.210 --> 01:15:50.060 and to the Republic for which it stands, 01:15:50.060 --> 01:15:52.170 one nation under God, 01:15:52.170 --> 01:15:56.010 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:57.800 And the Texas flag. 01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.710 Honor the Texas flag. 01:15:59.710 --> 01:16:02.440 I pledge allegiance to thee Texas. 01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:06.640 One State under God, one and indivisible. 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:07.473 Thank you. 01:16:09.090 --> 01:16:10.373 Thank you, Mr. Hickman. 01:16:11.420 --> 01:16:14.951 And I will now call on Ms. Martinez to call the roll. 01:16:14.951 --> 01:16:18.581 Ms. Pérez, Mr. Cortez, Here. 01:16:18.581 --> 01:16:22.234 Ms. Pérez-Díaz, 01:16:22.234 --> 01:16:25.903 Mr. Allen*, Present. 01:16:32.070 --> 01:16:33.590 Dr. Bell-Metereau, 01:16:33.590 --> 01:16:34.423 Present. 01:16:36.460 --> 01:16:37.390 Mr. Hickman, 01:16:37.390 --> 01:16:38.780 Here. 01:16:38.780 --> 01:16:40.196 Dr. Robinson, 01:16:40.196 --> 01:16:41.440 Present. 01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:42.343 Dr. Yang* 01:16:43.590 --> 01:16:44.985 Here. 01:16:44.985 --> 01:16:47.080 Mr. Maynard, 01:16:47.080 --> 01:16:48.467 Ms. Hardy, 01:16:48.467 --> 01:16:50.128 Here 01:16:50.128 --> 01:16:51.295 Mrs. Little, 01:16:52.281 --> 01:16:53.484 Here. Present 01:16:53.484 --> 01:16:56.096 Mrs. Melton-Malone, 01:16:56.096 --> 01:16:56.929 Here. 01:16:56.929 --> 01:16:57.813 Dr. Johnson, 01:16:57.813 --> 01:16:58.646 Here. 01:16:58.646 --> 01:16:59.690 Dr. Ellis, 01:16:59.690 --> 01:17:02.040 Here, and please note Ms. Pérez present also. 01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:05.980 Alright, thank you. A quorum is present. 01:17:05.980 --> 01:17:07.730 The first business to be considered 01:17:09.480 --> 01:17:11.219 is the approval of the minutes 01:17:11.219 --> 01:17:13.115 of the State Board of Education meeting 01:17:13.115 --> 01:17:14.486 from April 16th, 2021. 01:17:14.486 --> 01:17:16.420 Are there any corrections to the minutes? 01:17:16.420 --> 01:17:19.049 Hearing none. There are no corrections 01:17:19.049 --> 01:17:20.290 then the minutes are approved. 01:17:20.290 --> 01:17:22.900 Next business and orders is the presentation of resolutions. 01:17:22.900 --> 01:17:25.970 Ms. Pérez, please present the resolutions. 01:17:25.970 --> 01:17:27.570 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 01:17:27.570 --> 01:17:32.320 This morning, it is one of our favorite days, 01:17:32.320 --> 01:17:35.010 because we are recognizing 01:17:35.010 --> 01:17:38.700 our student heroes from each of our districts. 01:17:38.700 --> 01:17:42.190 So to each of you who visited, or were unable to visit, 01:17:42.190 --> 01:17:44.260 but sent a virtual message and 01:17:44.260 --> 01:17:46.440 had their awards sent to them. 01:17:46.440 --> 01:17:47.610 Thank you all for that. 01:17:47.610 --> 01:17:50.930 And we received quite a bit of wonderful feedback 01:17:50.930 --> 01:17:51.870 from our students this year, 01:17:51.870 --> 01:17:54.220 who are so proud to have received these awards. 01:17:55.235 --> 01:17:57.330 Whereas the State Board of Education 01:17:57.330 --> 01:17:59.787 Student Heroes Award was created in 2015, 01:17:59.787 --> 01:18:03.710 recognizing Texas public school students who engage in 01:18:03.710 --> 01:18:06.590 unselfish acts of kindness and service that 01:18:06.590 --> 01:18:08.900 benefit their fellow students or communities. 01:18:08.900 --> 01:18:11.650 And whereas State Board of Education 01:18:11.650 --> 01:18:14.740 members selected outstanding students across 01:18:14.740 --> 01:18:19.427 the State as recipients of the 2021 Student Heroes Award. 01:18:19.427 --> 01:18:21.660 And whereas Arianna Suniga, 01:18:21.660 --> 01:18:23.370 senior at Medina Valley High School 01:18:23.370 --> 01:18:25.900 in Medina Valley Independent School District, 01:18:25.900 --> 01:18:27.510 demonstrated leadership skills 01:18:27.510 --> 01:18:29.540 by organizing a canned food drive, 01:18:29.540 --> 01:18:32.450 and collected over 600 nonperishable 01:18:32.450 --> 01:18:34.070 food items for local families. 01:18:34.070 --> 01:18:37.280 And whereas Julia Gilliam, 01:18:37.280 --> 01:18:40.568 a junior at Flour Bluff High school in Flour Bluff ISD, 01:18:40.568 --> 01:18:43.809 has a passion for helping others by organizing 01:18:43.809 --> 01:18:47.540 the Nueces County Jr Livestock for kids with special needs, 01:18:47.540 --> 01:18:49.600 and firmly decided to make this project 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:50.920 her high school legacy, 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.440 that will continue beyond graduation. 01:18:53.440 --> 01:18:55.580 Whereas Michael Frere, a junior at 01:18:55.580 --> 01:18:58.450 International School of the Americas in Northeast ISD 01:18:58.450 --> 01:19:00.710 has been an inspiring leader in the 01:19:00.710 --> 01:19:02.498 Students Of Service organization, 01:19:02.498 --> 01:19:05.217 leading his own, 'Make it Happen' project, 01:19:05.217 --> 01:19:08.600 that created arts and crafts opportunities for students 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.870 in the San Antonio Metropolitan Ministry's homeless shelter. 01:19:11.870 --> 01:19:14.850 And whereas Paridhi Latawa, a junior at the 01:19:14.850 --> 01:19:17.300 Liberal Arts and Science Academy in Austin ISD 01:19:17.300 --> 01:19:19.430 has stellar leadership qualities, 01:19:19.430 --> 01:19:21.790 that led her to organize SparkED, 01:19:21.790 --> 01:19:23.910 that hosts science, technology, engineering, 01:19:23.910 --> 01:19:26.900 and math literacy camps, webinars, 01:19:26.900 --> 01:19:28.190 and mentoring opportunities, 01:19:28.190 --> 01:19:31.640 that are meant to be an inclusive and equitable opportunity. 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.630 And whereas Byron Randon II a senior 01:19:34.630 --> 01:19:36.510 at Sweeny High School, in Sweeny ISD, 01:19:36.510 --> 01:19:39.230 is a published author of a children's book called 01:19:39.230 --> 01:19:41.040 Be Something Great, 01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:43.130 which shares his story of perseverance through 01:19:43.130 --> 01:19:45.411 football while challenging kids to be great. 01:19:45.411 --> 01:19:48.920 Encouraging them to not just play sports for fun, 01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:51.250 but also to apply their learning to develop 01:19:51.250 --> 01:19:54.300 discipline, teamwork, bravery, and hard work. 01:19:54.300 --> 01:19:55.670 Whereas Connelly Cowen, 01:19:55.670 --> 01:19:58.374 a junior at Mount Pleasant High School, 01:19:58.374 --> 01:20:00.570 in Mount Pleasant ISD, started Connelly's Classroom*, 01:20:00.570 --> 01:20:03.810 at age seven and annually collects school supplies 01:20:03.810 --> 01:20:05.670 through a donation box at her local 01:20:05.670 --> 01:20:07.990 church in lieu of her birthday presents. 01:20:07.990 --> 01:20:09.960 After a lot of preparation, she delivers 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.153 the boxes to Refuge International. 01:20:12.153 --> 01:20:14.720 A non-profit organization, in Longview, Texas 01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:17.550 that makes regular mission trips to Guatemala. 01:20:17.550 --> 01:20:20.640 And whereas Aubrey Hollingsworth, a sophomore 01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.550 at Hutto High School at Hutto ISD, 01:20:23.550 --> 01:20:26.360 is a leader at her school's Leo Club. 01:20:26.360 --> 01:20:28.580 With a heart for service, she led a food drive 01:20:28.580 --> 01:20:32.810 and serving 508 families, including 1,278 children 01:20:32.810 --> 01:20:35.950 who also received toys, but more than anything, 01:20:35.950 --> 01:20:40.950 led the district's Leo, to raise $1,217 benefiting the 01:20:41.190 --> 01:20:45.000 organization called Austin Sunshine Kids. 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.090 And whereas Brock Bergen*, a junior at 01:20:47.090 --> 01:20:52.090 Lawrence Dale Bell High School in Hurst-Euless-Bedford ISD, 01:20:53.220 --> 01:20:55.540 is a volunteer mentor who focused on improving 01:20:55.540 --> 01:20:58.090 the reading skills of elementary children, 01:20:58.090 --> 01:21:01.230 and as a servant at local organizations, 01:21:01.230 --> 01:21:03.000 he founded Brock's socks*. 01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:04.710 Which collects and donates socks. 01:21:04.710 --> 01:21:07.090 And on his 16th birthday, he sponsored a campaign 01:21:07.090 --> 01:21:09.757 supporting the Tarrant Area Food Bank that raised 01:21:09.757 --> 01:21:14.757 $1,500 and provided over 6,000 meals to area families. 01:21:14.900 --> 01:21:19.330 And where Camavi Ravi*, a junior at 01:21:19.330 --> 01:21:21.910 Centennial High School in Frisco ISD 01:21:21.910 --> 01:21:24.000 is passionate about the power of kindness. 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.920 She founded the nonprofit organization 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:27.250 called Kindness For All* 01:21:27.250 --> 01:21:29.364 and raised funds that benefited over 50,000 people 01:21:29.364 --> 01:21:32.570 in monetary and in kind donations, 01:21:32.570 --> 01:21:35.475 from three different kindness* projects. 01:21:35.475 --> 01:21:38.900 And whereas the Zeriah Griggs,* 01:21:38.900 --> 01:21:41.620 a senior at Harmony School of Excellence in Dallas, 01:21:41.620 --> 01:21:44.488 has a genuine heart for developing others 01:21:44.488 --> 01:21:46.140 through mentorship. 01:21:46.140 --> 01:21:49.170 She has a passion for volunteering her time and talent, 01:21:49.170 --> 01:21:51.760 whether at school or at her local church, 01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.380 where she is a true runner for success. 01:21:55.380 --> 01:21:58.210 Whereas Romella Spitzer, a fourth grade student at 01:21:58.210 --> 01:22:01.550 Williams Ledger Elementary School in Copperas Cove ISD 01:22:01.550 --> 01:22:03.820 was a true hero when she raised money to buy 01:22:05.585 --> 01:22:07.489 artwork materials for students in special education, 01:22:07.489 --> 01:22:09.120 that allowed the students to showcase their artwork 01:22:09.120 --> 01:22:13.340 during a Valentine show with all -you-can-eat chocolates. 01:22:13.340 --> 01:22:16.640 The event raised almost $1,900, which helped 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:20.320 purchase sensory classroom equipment for her district. 01:22:20.320 --> 01:22:23.210 And whereas Ivy Pham a senior at 01:22:24.384 --> 01:22:27.180 Hirschi High School in Wichita Falls, ISD is a student 01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:28.520 with a servant's heart. 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.570 Who pursues challenging coursework 01:22:30.570 --> 01:22:32.710 while volunteering at local hospitals 01:22:32.710 --> 01:22:35.250 as a translator for Vietnamese patients, 01:22:35.250 --> 01:22:37.940 leading the student council and key club, 01:22:37.940 --> 01:22:39.910 and serving as a teaching assistant 01:22:39.910 --> 01:22:42.153 during Sunday school at her local church. 01:22:43.030 --> 01:22:45.480 And whereas these amazing students have modeled 01:22:45.480 --> 01:22:47.470 caring and compassion in their communities. 01:22:47.470 --> 01:22:49.570 Now, therefore it be resolved 01:22:49.570 --> 01:22:50.840 that the State Board of Education 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.770 extends its heartfelt thanks 01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:56.890 to each of these kind-hearted students, 01:22:56.890 --> 01:23:00.210 and commends them for their unselfish volunteerism, 01:23:00.210 --> 01:23:02.130 good character and integrity. 01:23:02.130 --> 01:23:03.660 And be it further resolved 01:23:03.660 --> 01:23:06.610 that this resolution be presented to each them. 01:23:06.610 --> 01:23:08.480 And that a copy be included in the permanent 01:23:08.480 --> 01:23:11.150 records of the State Board of Education. 01:23:11.150 --> 01:23:13.720 Please witness our signatures this 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:18.150 25th day of June, 2021 in Austin, Texas. 01:23:18.150 --> 01:23:21.473 Dr. Keven Ellis, Chair, and myself, your secretary. 01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:25.500 Thank you, Ms. Pérez 01:23:26.730 --> 01:23:28.420 And I wanna say congratulations. 01:23:28.420 --> 01:23:33.310 All those in favor of adopting the resolution of the 01:23:33.310 --> 01:23:36.060 2021 Student Heroes Award recipients, 01:23:36.060 --> 01:23:37.737 do so by saying, "Aye." 01:23:37.737 --> 01:23:39.120 Aye 01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:41.213 Alright. And the resolution is adopted. 01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:47.329 Alright. Members, we'll now move to public testimony. 01:23:47.329 --> 01:23:49.866 I believe we have four testifiers who are signed up. 01:23:49.866 --> 01:23:53.250 So I'll call on staff to call on the testifiers. 01:23:53.250 --> 01:23:56.043 I would remind the board that these are testifiers who are 01:23:56.043 --> 01:23:59.260 signed up to testify on something that we 01:23:59.260 --> 01:24:01.640 didn't have on the agenda in the other 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:03.110 portions of our meeting, 01:24:03.110 --> 01:24:05.200 and therefore as it is not on the agenda, 01:24:05.200 --> 01:24:08.780 we are not able to open a dialogue with these testifiers. 01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:11.520 We're simply here to hear from the public. 01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:13.360 By rule and by law, we are allowed to 01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:15.330 ask them clarifying questions, 01:24:15.330 --> 01:24:17.580 or direct them to the appropriate staff only. 01:24:18.460 --> 01:24:19.823 Okay. I'll call on staff. 01:24:22.090 --> 01:24:24.470 Perla Muñoz Hopkins, 01:24:24.470 --> 01:24:28.417 Tristin Chizik*, Brandi Berkman*, Paul Gotea*. 01:24:30.610 --> 01:24:31.893 Perla Munios Hopkins. 01:25:13.440 --> 01:25:16.550 Good morning. My name is Perla Muñoz Hopkins. 01:25:16.550 --> 01:25:19.690 I was blessed to advocate for the interstate compact 01:25:19.690 --> 01:25:21.897 on educational opportunity for military 01:25:21.897 --> 01:25:26.190 children back in November to this body. 01:25:26.190 --> 01:25:29.950 And I must say that our service members, 01:25:29.950 --> 01:25:33.650 over 1.4 million veterans living in the State of Texas, 01:25:33.650 --> 01:25:37.370 are very grateful and thankful to every school and 01:25:37.370 --> 01:25:41.100 agency that supports our military kids. 01:25:41.100 --> 01:25:44.730 Many of us worked on increasing awareness for the compact, 01:25:44.730 --> 01:25:49.730 and hoping to update its elements over the past few months. 01:25:50.030 --> 01:25:52.130 So thank you to Mr. Maynard, 01:25:52.130 --> 01:25:53.910 for not only connecting with me, 01:25:53.910 --> 01:25:58.430 but also for your advocacy of House Bill 3932, 01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:02.883 which brings in the Compact Advisory Council. 01:26:03.797 --> 01:26:08.797 My grave concern however, are the continued violations 01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:14.120 to education and constitutional law and basic 01:26:14.120 --> 01:26:18.653 civil rights by Leander ISD leadership. 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:22.224 That is just down the road in Austin. 01:26:22.224 --> 01:26:26.880 They have been violating article three of Chapter 162, 01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:29.490 by not identifying or tracking 01:26:29.490 --> 01:26:31.160 the military connected children 01:26:31.160 --> 01:26:35.520 whose parent has a retired status. 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.380 In fact, on April 1st of this year, 01:26:38.380 --> 01:26:41.680 I found out that no enrollment form, 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.280 which has this military status block, 01:26:45.280 --> 01:26:47.510 was ever produced for my eldest child. 01:26:47.510 --> 01:26:52.330 Therefore, not executing any other elements of the 01:26:52.330 --> 01:26:54.543 compact for this student. 01:26:54.543 --> 01:26:59.543 Right now there are children of fellow veterans in LISD 01:27:00.300 --> 01:27:04.660 who are being denied GT testing, 01:27:04.660 --> 01:27:09.660 and there's also issues with corresponding GPA in courses. 01:27:11.070 --> 01:27:15.440 Most importantly as our parental rights are being stripped 01:27:15.440 --> 01:27:17.270 more and more each day. 01:27:17.270 --> 01:27:19.150 I am really concerned about 01:27:19.150 --> 01:27:23.540 the severe and high level of hate crimes towards any 01:27:23.540 --> 01:27:26.560 parents that speak up at our school board. 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:30.326 I have been called a pedophile, and it is linked to school 01:27:30.326 --> 01:27:32.750 board members, friends of school 01:27:32.750 --> 01:27:35.580 board members of Leander ISD. 01:27:35.580 --> 01:27:38.455 And some of us were afraid to speak up. 01:27:38.455 --> 01:27:40.829 Go ahead and wrap up your comments. 01:27:40.829 --> 01:27:44.907 Okay. Please, please connect with any parent, myself. 01:27:46.459 --> 01:27:49.414 There are great* things going on. 01:27:49.414 --> 01:27:55.758 And Leander ISD HB 3979 is a good thing. 01:28:08.090 --> 01:28:11.007 (Speaking Spanish) 01:28:16.070 --> 01:28:17.583 Thank you very much. 01:28:20.191 --> 01:28:23.900 Any clarifying questions from members Mr. Maynard. 01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:28.130 Ms. Hopkins, you and I have had a number 01:28:28.130 --> 01:28:30.090 of lengthy conversations. 01:28:30.090 --> 01:28:32.240 And thank you for making the effort to come 01:28:33.214 --> 01:28:35.393 and to let your voice be heard. 01:28:35.393 --> 01:28:36.700 I think it's important. 01:28:36.700 --> 01:28:38.540 Just to just out of curiosity, 01:28:38.540 --> 01:28:42.433 in terms of the violation of the law, as you see that. 01:28:43.770 --> 01:28:45.200 Has anything been done in terms of 01:28:45.200 --> 01:28:50.200 filing a complaint with the Commissioner of Education? 01:28:51.260 --> 01:28:54.604 Sir, I have reached out to TEA. 01:28:54.604 --> 01:28:59.604 I have had to refinance my house and seek attorney help. 01:29:02.070 --> 01:29:07.070 As of this past week, Leander ISD has wanted 01:29:07.090 --> 01:29:11.893 me to meet with Walsh Gallegos Trevino, Kyle law firm. 01:29:13.940 --> 01:29:18.593 None of my public information requests are usually accepted. 01:29:19.770 --> 01:29:23.620 They are sent to the Attorney General 01:29:23.620 --> 01:29:26.480 and the information needs to be redacted, 01:29:26.480 --> 01:29:28.713 or I need to accept redactions. 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.980 There are many cease and desist letters 01:29:35.980 --> 01:29:39.543 that many of us parents have had to file. 01:29:42.210 --> 01:29:45.170 Parents have received hate crimes as 01:29:45.170 --> 01:29:48.083 far as Bratislava in Europe. 01:29:50.260 --> 01:29:52.223 I'm sorry for the bad views. 01:29:53.500 --> 01:29:56.940 I'm here speaking for many, many that are affected. 01:29:56.940 --> 01:29:59.470 It's my understanding that there is a process 01:29:59.470 --> 01:30:03.220 is that if the law has been violated, 01:30:03.220 --> 01:30:05.416 that I believe that the Commissioner 01:30:05.416 --> 01:30:06.980 has authority to address that. 01:30:06.980 --> 01:30:08.823 Legal counsel, is that correct? 01:30:13.250 --> 01:30:15.028 Generally, yes. 01:30:15.028 --> 01:30:17.560 We have a complaints process that can be filed, 01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:20.670 at which point we would begin an initial 01:30:20.670 --> 01:30:24.220 investigation and depending upon the 01:30:24.220 --> 01:30:25.830 severity or what's going on. 01:30:25.830 --> 01:30:27.140 It may leverage up into what 01:30:27.140 --> 01:30:30.360 will now be called a special investigation. 01:30:30.360 --> 01:30:32.953 It used to be called special accreditation investigation. 01:30:34.870 --> 01:30:39.730 There's also a grievance process at the school districts. 01:30:39.730 --> 01:30:41.122 Right. 01:30:41.122 --> 01:30:42.670 And that can be appealed to the Commissioner. 01:30:42.670 --> 01:30:44.970 Which is separate from the complaints process. 01:30:46.865 --> 01:30:47.773 There's two parallel processes here. 01:30:48.802 --> 01:30:49.635 Right 01:30:49.635 --> 01:30:50.510 And it could be used. 01:30:50.510 --> 01:30:52.867 Well, Ms. Hopkins, let's see if we can connect 01:30:54.125 --> 01:30:56.432 you to the right people in this building. 01:30:56.432 --> 01:30:58.015 Alright. Thank you. 01:30:59.290 --> 01:31:00.490 Tristen Chizik.* 01:31:17.340 --> 01:31:19.670 My name is Tristan Chizik *and I'm a concerned 01:31:19.670 --> 01:31:22.120 parent with three children from Leander ISD. 01:31:22.120 --> 01:31:24.230 I'm here to share concerns we have regarding 01:31:24.230 --> 01:31:27.420 administration and board members in breaking the law, 01:31:27.420 --> 01:31:31.760 In June, 2021 board meeting, many parents 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:33.820 raised concerns for two AP social studies 01:31:33.820 --> 01:31:36.650 books that will violate HB 3979. 01:31:36.650 --> 01:31:39.530 However, in the June 17th meeting, 01:31:39.530 --> 01:31:41.730 the board voted to approve those books. 01:31:41.730 --> 01:31:43.320 In 2020, the board approved 01:31:43.320 --> 01:31:46.074 a long list of unvetted books for middle 01:31:46.074 --> 01:31:47.978 school and high school book clubs. 01:31:47.978 --> 01:31:49.671 These books include detailed 01:31:49.671 --> 01:31:51.562 descriptions of gang rape, incest, 01:31:51.562 --> 01:31:53.020 drug use, self-mutilation, and more. 01:31:53.020 --> 01:31:55.130 A child can't walk into a rated R movie 01:31:55.130 --> 01:31:57.060 without a parent, or the theater can be sued. 01:31:57.060 --> 01:32:00.120 However, Leander ISD is handing sexually explicit 01:32:00.120 --> 01:32:01.833 and violent books to our students, 01:32:02.707 --> 01:32:05.750 including through online library resource tool 01:32:05.750 --> 01:32:07.430 with the no safety filter. 01:32:07.430 --> 01:32:08.560 Teachers are afraid to speak 01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:10.130 out for fear of losing their jobs. 01:32:10.130 --> 01:32:11.930 They have been threatened and told that they can 01:32:11.930 --> 01:32:14.430 leave the district, if they refuse these teachings, 01:32:14.430 --> 01:32:17.732 including being told Christianity is white supremacy, 01:32:17.732 --> 01:32:22.732 Trustee Dholakia broke quorum on June 17th, 2021, 01:32:22.980 --> 01:32:25.520 by telling the woman speaking to "F off." 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:30.520 In March 2020, Leander ISD hired two 01:32:31.300 --> 01:32:34.509 political activists to do a community survey on equity. 01:32:34.509 --> 01:32:38.204 Their summary suggested that Christianity was the primary 01:32:38.204 --> 01:32:43.040 reason for anti LGBTQ, bigotry and racism in the district. 01:32:43.040 --> 01:32:45.780 In June, 2020 Trustees said that teachers 01:32:45.780 --> 01:32:47.490 who don't want to take the equity 01:32:47.490 --> 01:32:49.280 training can leave the district. 01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:52.780 Administration has not responded to multiple inquiries 01:32:52.780 --> 01:32:54.837 and grievances regarding why the song 01:32:54.837 --> 01:32:57.340 "F the police," by N.W.A. is being 01:32:57.340 --> 01:32:59.173 used in our ELA curriculum. 01:33:00.450 --> 01:33:01.470 Our first amendment rights 01:33:01.470 --> 01:33:03.260 are violated at every board meeting. 01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:05.103 As we are told we are not 01:33:05.103 --> 01:33:07.265 allowed to list any names of individuals 01:33:07.265 --> 01:33:08.098 during our speeches, 01:33:08.098 --> 01:33:09.522 and we're not allowed to clap. 01:33:09.522 --> 01:33:10.770 When parents or teachers speak out, 01:33:10.770 --> 01:33:13.150 about objections to the changes in curriculum, 01:33:13.150 --> 01:33:15.670 or pornographic books, we are instantly labeled, 01:33:15.670 --> 01:33:17.560 racist, bigots and Christian radicals. 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:19.220 And often attacked for purposes of 01:33:19.220 --> 01:33:20.710 intimidation behind the scenes. 01:33:20.710 --> 01:33:22.500 I was personally one of them. 01:33:22.500 --> 01:33:24.580 These are some examples of ongoing issues 01:33:24.580 --> 01:33:26.120 that we're facing within Leander. 01:33:26.120 --> 01:33:27.020 The list is long. 01:33:27.020 --> 01:33:29.377 I'm here to ask what can we do to fix these issues 01:33:29.377 --> 01:33:31.270 and stop these illegal actions 01:33:31.270 --> 01:33:34.043 and are you able to help our district? 01:33:35.550 --> 01:33:36.920 Okay. Thank you, Ms. Trizic 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:38.621 Any clarifying questions from members? 01:33:38.621 --> 01:33:42.248 Thank you very much. 01:33:42.248 --> 01:33:46.173 Randy Berkman, 01:33:52.930 --> 01:33:53.837 Paul, go TA,* 01:34:18.316 --> 01:34:19.149 Go ahead. 01:34:20.295 --> 01:34:21.409 Good morning. 01:34:21.409 --> 01:34:24.491 Last week, Governor Abbott signed to law HB3979. 01:34:24.491 --> 01:34:26.360 In doing so, the law states, the schools in Texas cannot 01:34:26.360 --> 01:34:27.930 teach in such a way 01:34:27.930 --> 01:34:30.133 to make children feel bad about themselves. 01:34:32.780 --> 01:34:34.320 A teacher, administrator, 01:34:34.320 --> 01:34:35.770 and other employees of State agencies, 01:34:35.770 --> 01:34:39.570 school district charter schools, could not require or engage 01:34:39.570 --> 01:34:42.620 in training orientation therapy that present any form of 01:34:42.620 --> 01:34:44.530 race, sex, stereotyping, or blame, 01:34:44.530 --> 01:34:46.830 on the basis of race or sex 01:34:46.830 --> 01:34:50.910 and could not require or make part of a course 01:34:50.910 --> 01:34:55.910 or concept that, one race or sex 01:34:56.100 --> 01:34:58.893 was inherently superior, the other race or sex. 01:34:59.790 --> 01:35:03.210 Yet last Thursday night at 10:45 PM, 01:35:03.210 --> 01:35:06.290 Leander ISD did just that by choosing books 01:35:06.290 --> 01:35:08.530 in its curriculum for this coming year 01:35:08.530 --> 01:35:10.660 that are biased and racist to some 01:35:10.660 --> 01:35:12.800 people's races, color and even religion. 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:14.040 Some of the dates of important 01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:16.980 events are also wrong and inaccurate. 01:35:16.980 --> 01:35:20.930 I know the state professionals have governmental immunity. 01:35:20.930 --> 01:35:24.050 While ISDs also enjoy immunity though broad, 01:35:24.050 --> 01:35:29.050 it is not absolute, citing 1978 T S C bar versus Bernard.* 01:35:30.950 --> 01:35:32.750 And while the State of Texas professionals 01:35:32.750 --> 01:35:34.820 are not answerable to negligence 01:35:34.820 --> 01:35:36.810 while exercising government functions, 01:35:36.810 --> 01:35:38.720 I would argue that Leander ISD board 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.460 is answerable when they break the laws of Texas, 01:35:42.460 --> 01:35:45.010 while exercising governmental functions. 01:35:45.010 --> 01:35:48.270 I ask the State School Board to hold Leander ISD 01:35:48.270 --> 01:35:50.193 accountable for their lawlessness. 01:35:54.400 --> 01:35:57.210 In 1923 the US Supreme Court observed that parents 01:35:57.210 --> 01:35:59.414 have a constitutional protected right to control 01:35:59.414 --> 01:36:01.530 their children's upbringing. 01:36:01.530 --> 01:36:02.760 Meyer v. Nebraska. 01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:07.760 However, it's extent in the educational context is limited. 01:36:07.980 --> 01:36:09.730 While constitutional law generally does 01:36:09.730 --> 01:36:12.460 not support parents right in public schooling, 01:36:12.460 --> 01:36:13.650 Texas statutory law 01:36:13.650 --> 01:36:16.400 provides significant support for parents. 01:36:16.400 --> 01:36:18.200 Indeed, the first objective of the 01:36:18.200 --> 01:36:22.450 public education system as specified in the 01:36:22.450 --> 01:36:26.763 State Education Code is that parents will be full partners. 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:31.710 Thank you sir. Any clarifying questions from 01:36:31.710 --> 01:36:34.538 members I got Ms. Davis and Mr. Maynard 01:36:34.538 --> 01:36:35.470 I do. I think this is more for staff. 01:36:35.470 --> 01:36:37.894 So, I just wanna clear this cause they keep 01:36:37.894 --> 01:36:40.147 accusing on Leander of doing something illegal, 01:36:40.147 --> 01:36:42.360 but the 3979 isn't even effective as of right now. 01:36:42.360 --> 01:36:44.260 So, a vote in June wouldn't have been illegal. 01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:46.110 I'll just wanna make clarity on that. 01:37:12.240 --> 01:37:13.900 I believe you are correct. 01:37:13.900 --> 01:37:17.130 Even though it had an immediate effect of clause*, 01:37:17.130 --> 01:37:19.360 the certification of the votes does not appear 01:37:19.360 --> 01:37:22.113 that received* two thirds from both chambers. 01:37:23.290 --> 01:37:25.890 I think it's September 1 effective date. 01:37:25.890 --> 01:37:27.109 Thank you. 01:37:27.109 --> 01:37:29.350 So that's not an illegal thing they're saying Leander. 01:37:29.350 --> 01:37:30.257 I just want to clear that up. 01:37:30.257 --> 01:37:32.807 The bill is not effective yet. So that's correct. 01:37:37.231 --> 01:37:39.710 I'm just curious. 01:37:39.710 --> 01:37:43.102 I know that in our process, 01:37:43.102 --> 01:37:45.380 that any instruction materials we adopt 01:37:45.380 --> 01:37:47.560 have to be factually accurate. 01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:50.982 That's in the statute. But does that not extend 01:37:50.982 --> 01:37:54.200 to if a School District adopts 01:37:54.200 --> 01:37:56.623 something locally that has not been 01:37:56.623 --> 01:37:58.010 vetted through the State Board of Education, 01:37:58.010 --> 01:38:00.263 that still applies, does it not? 01:38:05.029 --> 01:38:06.420 I'd have to look that up. 01:38:06.420 --> 01:38:11.400 But I don't recall a statute that imposes that on 01:38:11.400 --> 01:38:12.980 the School Districts. 01:38:12.980 --> 01:38:16.000 However, like reason would suggest, 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.030 that if you're teaching the TEKS, 01:38:18.030 --> 01:38:20.730 you need to teach something that's factually accurate. 01:38:22.780 --> 01:38:26.480 But the Instructional materials adoption, 01:38:26.480 --> 01:38:27.740 in other words, 01:38:27.740 --> 01:38:30.030 we can reject something is factually inaccurate, 01:38:30.030 --> 01:38:33.750 but if a School District goes out on its own 01:38:33.750 --> 01:38:36.210 and adopts something with that on its own, 01:38:36.210 --> 01:38:37.950 that does not necessarily apply. 01:38:37.950 --> 01:38:39.888 Is that what I'm hearing? 01:38:39.888 --> 01:38:41.190 I think that's correct. Mr. Maynard. 01:38:41.190 --> 01:38:44.420 I don't think there's anything in the statute that 01:38:44.420 --> 01:38:47.260 provides any parameters for districts other than 01:38:47.260 --> 01:38:50.023 they have to certify that they are covering all of 01:38:50.023 --> 01:38:51.430 the essential knowledge and skills. 01:38:51.430 --> 01:38:52.430 Alright very good. 01:38:55.360 --> 01:38:57.321 Thank you. Member Davis' question is well-placed. 01:38:57.321 --> 01:39:02.321 But just a general question, I think, for our legal staff. 01:39:02.907 --> 01:39:07.135 If a School District is violating the law, 01:39:07.135 --> 01:39:11.330 is the TEA an enforcer or policemen, 01:39:11.330 --> 01:39:14.170 or would the public or parents? 01:39:14.170 --> 01:39:17.840 Who would enforce against a 01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:20.440 School District that's violating the Education Code? 01:39:22.143 --> 01:39:27.143 So, I think it depends on what the violation is. 01:39:30.585 --> 01:39:33.930 The agency does have some jurisdiction as 01:39:33.930 --> 01:39:36.680 we had indicated before both through 01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:38.470 a grievance process there's an appeal to 01:39:38.470 --> 01:39:42.533 the Commissioner for violation school laws of Texas. 01:39:43.419 --> 01:39:44.842 There's also a complaint process 01:39:44.842 --> 01:39:46.840 that can be filed with us. 01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:49.150 However, some of the allegations that 01:39:49.150 --> 01:39:52.500 were made were failure to respond 01:39:52.500 --> 01:39:55.610 appropriately to Public Information Act. 01:39:55.610 --> 01:39:58.420 Those are generally handled by the AG's office 01:39:58.420 --> 01:39:59.930 and not by the agency. 01:39:59.930 --> 01:40:01.590 So, it depends on the thing. 01:40:01.590 --> 01:40:06.590 I would also need to tell you is like 01:40:08.080 --> 01:40:11.230 the Education Code does not allow the agency 01:40:11.230 --> 01:40:14.000 to submit or to substitute its judgment for 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:15.760 that of a School Board 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:17.600 as long as the School Board is operating 01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:19.370 within the bounds of the law. 01:40:19.370 --> 01:40:22.970 So that's how the Education Code tries to 01:40:24.710 --> 01:40:27.103 maintain local control while still having a 01:40:27.103 --> 01:40:28.823 regulatory process. 01:40:36.900 --> 01:40:37.870 Several years ago. 01:40:37.870 --> 01:40:42.240 Senate Bill 6 took the power 01:40:42.240 --> 01:40:44.090 away from the State Board of Education of 01:40:44.090 --> 01:40:48.393 requiring every book made a 100% of the TEKS. 01:40:50.010 --> 01:40:54.140 But it didn't say each book, 01:40:54.140 --> 01:40:55.610 you have to provide a 100%. 01:40:55.610 --> 01:40:57.880 In other words, if this human 01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:00.020 geography book is the only book 01:41:00.020 --> 01:41:03.410 that they're covering as their text, 01:41:03.410 --> 01:41:06.040 then it must meet a 100%. 01:41:06.040 --> 01:41:09.340 If they have this book and something else, 01:41:09.340 --> 01:41:11.310 together can make up 100%. 01:41:11.310 --> 01:41:14.923 But my question is, who's checking this? 01:41:17.850 --> 01:41:20.460 So, the Education Code requires every 01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:22.440 School District to annually submit a 01:41:22.440 --> 01:41:24.900 certification that they have materials 01:41:24.900 --> 01:41:28.520 that cover a 100% of the TEKS. 01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:31.807 I know that, but does anyone ever do a followup*, 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.020 an opportunity to say we would like to 01:41:38.020 --> 01:41:42.150 have that checked out? 01:41:42.150 --> 01:41:44.900 We don't have authority Ms. Hardy to do 01:41:44.900 --> 01:41:46.283 that kind of monitoring. 01:41:47.327 --> 01:41:48.387 I know. 01:41:48.387 --> 01:41:49.663 I mean the district certifies, 01:41:50.778 --> 01:41:52.100 we take and maintain record of that certification, 01:41:52.100 --> 01:41:53.890 but we don't have the authority to go 01:41:53.890 --> 01:41:57.300 to check and see if that is in. 01:41:57.300 --> 01:41:59.968 But from a legal standpoint, the parents could 01:41:59.968 --> 01:42:02.633 have that checked, right? 01:42:06.459 --> 01:42:11.459 I'm not aware of the standing issues like if they 01:42:11.730 --> 01:42:14.123 were to go to court and try to get that. 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:17.400 If you're asking, could they ask 01:42:17.400 --> 01:42:19.521 a School District for the certification, 01:42:19.521 --> 01:42:21.071 that should be a public record. 01:42:22.050 --> 01:42:24.430 And the knowledge of all the books 01:42:25.321 --> 01:42:26.154 so that they could compare to, 01:42:26.154 --> 01:42:28.850 does the certification actually match 01:42:28.850 --> 01:42:32.210 with the web materials are being used? 01:42:32.210 --> 01:42:34.300 So, they could ask for copies of the books, 01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:37.710 then they can find someone who certifies 01:42:37.710 --> 01:42:39.800 that it's teaching the TEKS. 01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:43.170 And then they would have that information. 01:42:43.170 --> 01:42:45.250 And if they find that that the School District 01:42:45.250 --> 01:42:47.670 has been untruthful, what would they be 01:42:47.670 --> 01:42:48.663 able to do then? 01:42:51.643 --> 01:42:54.185 I mean, you can file a complaint with us 01:42:54.185 --> 01:42:59.185 if you've got the justification in the materials, 01:42:59.860 --> 01:43:00.693 then like we would take that 01:43:00.693 --> 01:43:02.830 and then we would call the School Districts 01:43:02.830 --> 01:43:05.540 and like, "Hey, we have this allegation. 01:43:05.540 --> 01:43:07.960 This is the facts that were provided to us. 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:09.307 What's your facts?" 01:43:11.250 --> 01:43:15.563 And then that would be a violation as far as like, 01:43:17.169 --> 01:43:18.330 I just can't tell you the standing 01:43:18.330 --> 01:43:22.920 requirements of a district court, 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:24.510 if they were to take that there. 01:43:24.510 --> 01:43:28.680 Now, if parents were alleging a criminal 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:31.410 violation of something then they 01:43:31.410 --> 01:43:32.930 could potentially go to 01:43:32.930 --> 01:43:34.923 a District or County Attorney. 01:43:39.460 --> 01:43:41.930 Okay. Vaughn* you go on that 01:43:41.930 --> 01:43:44.030 question* just at the end there. 01:43:44.030 --> 01:43:49.030 A violation of law is criminal offense, right? 01:43:50.120 --> 01:43:53.247 So you would follow it with the local county D.A. 01:43:53.247 --> 01:43:58.247 Yeah. Not all violations of law are criminal offenses. 01:43:59.810 --> 01:44:04.340 So that's why you do have the regulatory body 01:44:04.340 --> 01:44:07.730 of the agency when you look at pieces of the code 01:44:07.730 --> 01:44:12.460 where they don't carry a criminal violation, 01:44:12.460 --> 01:44:15.630 so that you can have some type of enforcement, 01:44:15.630 --> 01:44:20.270 but as I said Texas relies on local control. 01:44:20.270 --> 01:44:24.070 So a lot of decisions are left to 01:44:24.070 --> 01:44:26.880 local school boards to make those decisions 01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:30.410 and are expected to be handled locally. 01:44:30.410 --> 01:44:33.440 But there are some criminal violations 01:44:33.440 --> 01:44:36.000 that are established both in the Education Code, 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.020 as well as other codes of Texas. 01:44:39.020 --> 01:44:42.880 And we don't enforce criminal violations. 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:46.176 Those are enforced by County and District Attorneys. 01:44:46.176 --> 01:44:49.248 And I may have missed some other folks 01:44:49.248 --> 01:44:51.165 that have jurisdiction. 01:44:57.410 --> 01:45:01.730 I think my question is for possibly Shelly or Monica*, 01:45:01.730 --> 01:45:04.460 and it does not require an immediate response 01:45:04.460 --> 01:45:05.720 because the two books, 01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:07.920 and I'm assuming these are the only two books, 01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.530 because that's the image on the document. 01:45:10.530 --> 01:45:12.000 Yes, sir. Thank you. 01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:13.800 The two books that are being referenced 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.940 are Human Geography by National Geographic, 01:45:16.940 --> 01:45:20.650 and Traditions & Encounters by McGraw Hill. 01:45:20.650 --> 01:45:24.920 Are these books that the SBOE adopted? 01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:26.670 And so obviously that's not something 01:45:26.670 --> 01:45:27.560 you're gonna look up now, 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.790 but at some point, if you could please get back 01:45:29.790 --> 01:45:31.273 to us and let us know if these are books 01:45:31.273 --> 01:45:34.070 that we adopted at some point in time. 01:45:34.070 --> 01:45:34.903 Thank you. 01:45:34.903 --> 01:45:35.736 Yes ma'am. 01:45:38.360 --> 01:45:41.530 Okay. So, the books in question are lower 01:45:41.530 --> 01:45:45.513 reading level and therefore the AP reading. 01:45:46.350 --> 01:45:50.360 And as parents we were not given the books 01:45:50.360 --> 01:45:52.170 or opportunity to look at the books 01:45:52.170 --> 01:45:57.170 until 2:45 Thursday and the meeting is at 6:15. 01:45:58.470 --> 01:46:01.440 The opportunity to have a back and forth 01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:06.440 as I read this, "Parents will be full partners." 01:46:06.630 --> 01:46:08.720 The Leander School District. 01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:10.080 I've never seen this before. 01:46:10.080 --> 01:46:13.770 I've been in the business of... 01:46:17.098 --> 01:46:17.931 Well, I can't really say. 01:46:17.931 --> 01:46:21.210 But I've never looked up to school board before. 01:46:21.210 --> 01:46:23.220 And I've never seen people act like this. 01:46:23.220 --> 01:46:25.090 The first time I ever went to a meeting, 01:46:25.090 --> 01:46:26.870 I thought I was at a sexual harassment 01:46:26.870 --> 01:46:28.740 and sexual assault seminar. 01:46:28.740 --> 01:46:30.930 And the parents that were coming up, 01:46:30.930 --> 01:46:32.670 were giving their testimonials. 01:46:32.670 --> 01:46:36.890 To which the board, they looked absent. 01:46:36.890 --> 01:46:38.440 Completely absent. 01:46:38.440 --> 01:46:41.210 And how that ties back to this book. 01:46:41.210 --> 01:46:43.103 There were a 100 people in that room. 01:46:44.210 --> 01:46:45.985 50 people spoke. 45 were against these books. 01:46:45.985 --> 01:46:49.080 Even though we only had two hours 01:46:49.080 --> 01:46:51.620 to look at them before the meeting. 01:46:51.620 --> 01:46:54.950 You have to sign up by 5:30 to 6:00 to speak. 01:46:54.950 --> 01:46:58.920 That's a good majority of people that spoke. 01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:01.522 Sir I need you to, because of our parameters, 01:47:01.522 --> 01:47:04.160 you're able to answer her question 01:47:04.160 --> 01:47:07.940 regarding whether this is an adopted SBOE book 01:47:07.940 --> 01:47:10.130 or something the district, but I think we need 01:47:11.089 --> 01:47:12.286 to keep it to that. 01:47:12.286 --> 01:47:14.725 Sure. I don't know if it was or not. 01:47:14.725 --> 01:47:17.580 We'll have staff working on that. 01:47:17.580 --> 01:47:18.413 Mr. Cortez 01:47:20.580 --> 01:47:22.970 Maybe I missed it with violations, 01:47:22.970 --> 01:47:25.040 and District Attorneys and Criminal Law, 01:47:25.040 --> 01:47:28.811 but it appears no law has been broken. 01:47:28.811 --> 01:47:31.740 Is there something else that we need to be 01:47:31.740 --> 01:47:33.490 discussing? Am I missing something? 01:47:35.500 --> 01:47:39.320 If this behavior, or if it turns out then they're 01:47:39.320 --> 01:47:41.403 SBOE books that are adopted through our process, 01:47:41.403 --> 01:47:43.610 then I guess we're gonna have to 01:47:43.610 --> 01:47:45.223 revisit our entire process. 01:47:46.330 --> 01:47:48.963 If they're not, then it seems like a moot point 01:47:48.963 --> 01:47:52.520 until this legislation goes into effect 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.680 and if those practices are still in place at that time. 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:59.040 But today it seems like everything's okay. 01:47:59.040 --> 01:48:02.514 Other than parents weren't given the 01:48:02.514 --> 01:48:07.514 opportunity to I guess, be a part of this process. 01:48:07.930 --> 01:48:11.320 And that gets kind of unfortunately drawn back 01:48:11.320 --> 01:48:12.704 to the local level. 01:48:12.704 --> 01:48:15.800 We talked about some of those parameters. 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.130 A grievance or complaint with the agency. 01:48:18.130 --> 01:48:19.843 But am I missing something or? 01:48:21.649 --> 01:48:22.898 To clarify Mr. Cortez, 01:48:22.898 --> 01:48:24.849 you're asking your question to staff? 01:48:24.849 --> 01:48:27.540 I'm asking to you. You're running the meeting. 01:48:27.540 --> 01:48:29.680 I mean, we're having an entire debate 01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:33.561 over something that just from what I'm hearing, 01:48:33.561 --> 01:48:37.070 nothing illegal has taken place because 01:48:37.070 --> 01:48:39.400 this law doesn't take effect yet. 01:48:39.400 --> 01:48:40.350 For clarification 01:48:41.213 --> 01:48:43.267 Other than parents not being involved in the process. 01:48:43.267 --> 01:48:46.050 And that they've been given by legal 01:48:46.050 --> 01:48:48.527 some avenues which is a grievance in 01:48:48.527 --> 01:48:50.313 the complaint with the agency. 01:48:51.890 --> 01:48:55.170 And now we're gonna investigate some 01:48:55.170 --> 01:48:57.970 of the books that at least we know of, 01:48:57.970 --> 01:48:59.510 to see if they're a part of our process 01:48:59.510 --> 01:49:02.684 and if it is, we've got some stuff to deal with as well, 01:49:02.684 --> 01:49:04.041 and we'll know that later. 01:49:04.041 --> 01:49:08.283 But other than that, I think we've discussed plenty. 01:49:10.500 --> 01:49:13.000 So, for clarification, 01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:14.620 we're not in a debate for this process. 01:49:14.620 --> 01:49:15.870 We're taking public testimony, 01:49:15.870 --> 01:49:18.710 we're appointing* time or asking any clarification 01:49:18.710 --> 01:49:21.420 questions or directing the testifiers to the 01:49:21.420 --> 01:49:23.050 appropriate staff which I think we've been 01:49:23.050 --> 01:49:25.520 doing pretty well so far. 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:29.470 I think your points taken. We have discussed this. 01:49:29.470 --> 01:49:31.930 I don't think your question raised anything 01:49:31.930 --> 01:49:34.160 from staff that really probably hasn't already been 01:49:34.160 --> 01:49:36.510 answered unless I'm hearing anything different. 01:49:37.433 --> 01:49:38.640 I think it's been addressed. 01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:41.210 And again, we're trying to actually avoid a debate 01:49:41.210 --> 01:49:43.790 here because that's not what we're posted for. 01:49:43.790 --> 01:49:47.720 So is there any further questions from members relating 01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:49.323 to clarifying questions? 01:49:51.460 --> 01:49:53.042 Okay. 01:49:53.042 --> 01:49:54.786 So, then we thank you 01:49:54.786 --> 01:49:56.580 that that's the end of the public comment. 01:49:56.580 --> 01:49:57.780 Yeah. Just to clarify. 01:49:57.780 --> 01:49:59.590 So the law was signed last week, 01:49:59.590 --> 01:50:01.740 but when does it exactly go into effect? 01:50:01.740 --> 01:50:04.090 September 1, 2021. 01:50:04.090 --> 01:50:05.721 So, in a few months. 01:50:05.721 --> 01:50:06.934 Correct. 01:50:06.934 --> 01:50:08.910 So, what happens when these books that they approved, 01:50:08.910 --> 01:50:10.000 the law goes into effect? 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:11.490 'Cause I bring that up only because 01:50:11.490 --> 01:50:13.130 it does affect with the books. 01:50:13.130 --> 01:50:17.640 They ran out of the legal time they could use 01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:20.090 the old books. 01:50:20.090 --> 01:50:23.100 So, these new books are the only ones they can use. 01:50:23.100 --> 01:50:24.854 Save* the question. I think staff has 01:50:24.854 --> 01:50:26.231 outlined that as well as we can, 01:50:26.231 --> 01:50:30.030 what the legal process is to your question. 01:50:30.030 --> 01:50:33.170 The law goes into effect September 1st. 01:50:33.170 --> 01:50:35.140 I know there's a lot of information there. 01:50:35.140 --> 01:50:36.720 This meeting is being recorded. 01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:39.610 You can go back to it and find the exact details 01:50:39.610 --> 01:50:42.000 of the process that's been laid out by staff. 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:44.450 But I think that's the extent of what this body 01:50:44.450 --> 01:50:47.061 can do during this agenda item. 01:50:47.061 --> 01:50:49.910 So that being said, we will close public testimony 01:50:49.910 --> 01:50:50.760 at this time. 01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:51.950 Thank you for your time. 01:50:51.950 --> 01:50:52.800 You're welcome. 01:50:56.110 --> 01:50:59.670 Okay, members, let's take a brief five-minute break, 01:50:59.670 --> 01:51:02.843 as we move on to the rest of our agenda items. 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:13.100 Members we are going to come back together here. 01:51:18.900 --> 01:51:20.200 My script back. 01:51:20.200 --> 01:51:22.210 We are, I believe, on item number two, 01:51:22.210 --> 01:51:25.040 which is the approval of the Consent Agenda. 01:51:25.040 --> 01:51:27.200 So the next business in order is the 01:51:27.200 --> 01:51:30.487 approval of the Consent Agenda 01:51:30.487 --> 01:51:32.078 The Consent Agenda has been 01:51:32.078 --> 01:51:34.880 distributed to each of you. 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:36.140 Take a moment to review the 01:51:36.140 --> 01:51:38.700 items on the Consent Agenda. 01:51:38.700 --> 01:51:41.150 And we currently have 15 items. 01:51:41.150 --> 01:51:43.018 Is there any members who 01:51:43.018 --> 01:51:44.368 would like to pull an item? 01:51:46.200 --> 01:51:48.540 Got Mr. Maynard first. 01:51:48.540 --> 01:51:51.528 Mr. Chairman, I believe it's item number 11. 01:51:51.528 --> 01:51:53.560 Mr. Maynard was asking to pull the selection 01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:55.160 of the State Board members, 01:51:55.160 --> 01:51:57.910 nominees for Statewide board positions. 01:51:57.910 --> 01:51:59.170 Are there any other members 01:51:59.170 --> 01:52:01.248 who would like to pull an item? 01:52:01.248 --> 01:52:02.570 You may have a moment 01:52:39.965 --> 01:52:41.290 And while I'm giving Ms. Pérez just a moment. 01:52:41.290 --> 01:52:43.500 I'll make note that the item number 11 01:52:43.500 --> 01:52:45.740 was part of the PSF agenda so we will take 01:52:45.740 --> 01:52:47.510 that up at a point in time when we're going 01:52:47.510 --> 01:52:49.700 through the PSF items, not immediately. 01:52:49.700 --> 01:52:50.533 Ms. Davis. 01:52:50.533 --> 01:52:52.220 Number five. 01:52:52.220 --> 01:52:55.640 So, we have asked request to pull ratification 01:52:55.640 --> 01:52:57.380 of the purchase and sales of the investment 01:52:57.380 --> 01:52:59.140 portfolio, the Permanent School Fund for 01:52:59.140 --> 01:53:01.363 the months of March and April 2021. 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:05.124 Do I go over these individually? 01:53:05.124 --> 01:53:06.069 No?* 01:53:06.069 --> 01:53:07.280 Okay. 01:53:07.280 --> 01:53:10.211 You know, still given just a few more moments for 01:53:10.211 --> 01:53:14.993 everyone to look through the Consent Agenda. 01:53:22.197 --> 01:53:23.280 Anything? 01:53:23.280 --> 01:53:25.060 I also would like to pull a number 8. 01:53:26.060 --> 01:53:28.940 So we have review of Permanent School Fund, 01:53:28.940 --> 01:53:32.173 Real Estate Class, Real Estate Policy and Tactical Plan. 01:53:33.590 --> 01:53:36.050 Alright. And I wanna give everyone plenty of time to 01:53:37.044 --> 01:53:38.424 make sure we're good. Okay. 01:53:38.424 --> 01:53:40.352 So we will as our parliamentarian notice, 01:53:40.352 --> 01:53:41.716 those just at the request of one 01:53:41.716 --> 01:53:42.810 member will be pulled off. 01:53:42.810 --> 01:53:44.760 I believe all three of those are PSF related items. 01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:47.272 So we will take those up at the point in the 01:53:47.272 --> 01:53:49.943 agenda when we are at PSF. 01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:54.170 Mr. Hickman. 01:53:54.170 --> 01:53:55.990 Could we also pull 15? 01:53:55.990 --> 01:53:58.330 I just have a question for staff on that one. 01:53:58.330 --> 01:54:02.580 So 15 is the approval of 2021 to 2025 rule 01:54:02.580 --> 01:54:05.340 review plan for State Board of Education rules. 01:54:05.340 --> 01:54:07.604 Yes. We will pull that off. 01:54:07.604 --> 01:54:10.180 When would be the appropriate agenda? 01:54:10.180 --> 01:54:12.218 School initiatives. 01:54:12.218 --> 01:54:13.523 So that's school initiatives. 01:54:13.523 --> 01:54:15.096 And I'm gonna have to get staff down here. 01:54:15.096 --> 01:54:16.010 They are not in the room right now. 01:54:16.010 --> 01:54:17.083 So, let me work on. 01:54:20.003 --> 01:54:22.877 It's simple, you can probably answer. 01:54:22.877 --> 01:54:23.794 Oh, okay. 01:54:30.698 --> 01:54:32.550 There is a simple clarifying question you want to ask? 01:54:32.550 --> 01:54:34.300 We could leave that on the consent. 01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:41.907 The question is if we want to make a change 01:54:41.907 --> 01:54:45.680 to one of the rules, how do we do that? 01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:48.453 Do we work with staff? 01:54:53.540 --> 01:54:54.373 Yeah. 01:54:54.373 --> 01:54:55.970 Your board operating procedures go 01:54:55.970 --> 01:55:00.630 through requesting something to be put on the agenda. 01:55:00.630 --> 01:55:05.630 Generally, the Board Chair determines agendas, 01:55:06.530 --> 01:55:08.890 and then each Committee Chair determines agendas. 01:55:08.890 --> 01:55:11.740 So, if you wanna make a request for something 01:55:11.740 --> 01:55:12.910 to be put on an agenda, 01:55:12.910 --> 01:55:15.950 you would make a request of one of those two, 01:55:15.950 --> 01:55:19.110 that has the jurisdiction over whatever 01:55:19.110 --> 01:55:21.400 rule you're wanting to look at. 01:55:21.400 --> 01:55:23.750 And if this fails, you can always make a motion 01:55:25.170 --> 01:55:27.170 before the Full Board to request something 01:55:27.170 --> 01:55:29.230 be put on a future agenda. 01:55:29.230 --> 01:55:30.560 Okay. That covered. 01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.040 We can leave it on the consent. 01:55:32.040 --> 01:55:33.240 Mr. Chairman. Thank you. 01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:39.050 Are there any other items 01:55:39.050 --> 01:55:40.883 that members would like to pull off? 01:55:42.740 --> 01:55:44.470 Alright. Hearing none, the remainder of 01:55:44.470 --> 01:55:46.453 the Consent Agenda is adopted. 01:55:48.580 --> 01:55:50.760 Alright. So, we will now move to item number 3, 01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:53.160 which is the committee of the Full Board. 01:55:53.160 --> 01:55:56.300 This has* proposed new 19 TAC Chapter 112, 01:55:56.300 --> 01:55:59.110 Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Science. 01:55:59.110 --> 01:56:04.030 Subchapter C. High School. 112.47 through 112.51. 01:56:04.030 --> 01:56:06.150 This is for second reading and final adoption. 01:56:06.150 --> 01:56:07.990 This is on your agenda on page I-4. 01:56:08.950 --> 01:56:11.583 And is there any discussion from staff? 01:56:15.210 --> 01:56:16.470 I think we're good. 01:56:16.470 --> 01:56:18.280 Okay. So, we will open this item 01:56:18.280 --> 01:56:19.870 up for discussion among members. 01:56:19.870 --> 01:56:21.193 Is there any discussion? 01:56:28.452 --> 01:56:29.664 Okay. 01:56:29.664 --> 01:56:30.876 No. 01:56:30.876 --> 01:56:32.311 Alright. I'm gonna call on Ms. Little 01:56:32.311 --> 01:56:34.180 to make the first of the motions. 01:56:34.180 --> 01:56:37.490 Mr. Chair, I move that the committee of Full Board 01:56:37.490 --> 01:56:39.520 recommends that the State Board of Education 01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:42.330 postpone further consideration of proposed 01:56:42.330 --> 01:56:45.513 new 19 TAC Chapter 112, 01:56:46.979 --> 01:56:49.229 Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Science 01:56:49.229 --> 01:56:50.062 Lost her. 01:56:50.062 --> 01:56:52.497 Subchapter C 112.47-112.51, 01:56:52.497 --> 01:56:57.497 to the September SBOE meeting. 01:56:59.740 --> 01:57:00.573 Second. 01:57:01.468 --> 01:57:04.186 Alright. We have a motion and a second, 01:57:04.186 --> 01:57:06.460 to postpone further consideration of this 01:57:06.460 --> 01:57:09.410 item to the September SBOE meeting. 01:57:09.410 --> 01:57:11.920 Is there further we discuss this? 01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:14.310 On our previous agenda, earlier in the week. 01:57:14.310 --> 01:57:16.460 Is there some more discussion on this item? 01:57:27.540 --> 01:57:29.900 So we're at now, is that the current motion 01:57:29.900 --> 01:57:33.807 on the floor is to postpone the science 01:57:33.807 --> 01:57:35.770 of the four high school courses 01:57:35.770 --> 01:57:37.240 to the September meeting. 01:57:37.240 --> 01:57:42.240 So as we discussed the other day in this item, 01:57:42.340 --> 01:57:44.609 is that there was a discussion to 01:57:44.609 --> 01:57:45.500 move it forward to September. 01:57:45.500 --> 01:57:48.970 Is there any debate on that process? 01:57:48.970 --> 01:57:50.550 Ms. Hardy? 01:57:50.550 --> 01:57:54.110 I would simply say that from my expert reviewer, 01:57:54.110 --> 01:57:57.473 and from another of the expert reviewers, 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:02.908 who said that they would like to see it go. 01:58:02.908 --> 01:58:07.540 That would have been final reading this time. 01:58:07.540 --> 01:58:10.853 And that we'd go ahead and approve these four electives. 01:58:10.853 --> 01:58:15.280 My desire was to let the Energy Council, 01:58:15.280 --> 01:58:18.883 it was just a few words, and they did their thing correctly, 01:58:21.198 --> 01:58:22.467 to send it ahead of time. 01:58:22.467 --> 01:58:25.020 And then there were just simple things to be corrected. 01:58:25.020 --> 01:58:26.490 I've been through this process 01:58:26.490 --> 01:58:29.610 several times with the science. 01:58:29.610 --> 01:58:33.690 And what happens is it just keeps adding on. 01:58:33.690 --> 01:58:36.617 I think Monica said to us a long time ago, 01:58:36.617 --> 01:58:39.240 "If you give people another chance, 01:58:39.240 --> 01:58:41.270 they'll take it and you end up with more and more." 01:58:41.270 --> 01:58:45.720 So I think that what's most important for us to do in 01:58:47.039 --> 01:58:51.190 September is a really clean K through 8, 01:58:51.190 --> 01:58:53.946 vertically aligned well developed science. 01:58:53.946 --> 01:58:58.670 And I think that these elective courses, 01:58:58.670 --> 01:58:59.690 while they're important, 01:58:59.690 --> 01:59:03.673 are not the same as the core courses that all the kids take. 01:59:04.540 --> 01:59:07.793 While I would have liked to have had the Energy Council, 01:59:09.269 --> 01:59:14.140 I think they had four or five recommendations. 01:59:14.140 --> 01:59:16.218 While I rather would have 01:59:16.218 --> 01:59:17.070 liked to have had them do that, 01:59:17.070 --> 01:59:20.300 I understand that if I open it up to that, 01:59:20.300 --> 01:59:23.137 then we open it up to keeping the four 01:59:27.954 --> 01:59:29.730 courses moving until September for approval. 01:59:29.730 --> 01:59:32.282 So, I personally would rather see us stop debate 01:59:32.282 --> 01:59:36.483 on the four elective courses, 01:59:38.232 --> 01:59:39.377 and go ahead and approve them 01:59:39.377 --> 01:59:40.949 even though I'm not gonna get 01:59:40.949 --> 01:59:44.326 those four or five words into the program. 01:59:44.326 --> 01:59:47.080 Another thing that our expert reviewers, 01:59:47.080 --> 01:59:48.540 the two I talked to said, 01:59:48.540 --> 01:59:51.220 was that many of the people who 01:59:51.220 --> 01:59:55.510 worked on the TCL staff* were in the committees. 01:59:55.510 --> 01:59:57.810 They were on the work committees. 01:59:57.810 --> 01:59:59.600 A great number of them were. 01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:04.600 And the two questioned why they didn't 02:00:04.940 --> 02:00:08.730 say something at the time and stop it then. 02:00:08.730 --> 02:00:10.560 Why keep putting it off? 02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:13.390 And they had the time in the interim time 02:00:13.390 --> 02:00:18.080 when the TEA put it on for public view and so forth 02:00:18.080 --> 02:00:21.498 that they could've made the changes or concerns 02:00:21.498 --> 02:00:23.440 made known. And they didn't. 02:00:23.440 --> 02:00:27.500 So, they felt like that they weren't as significant as 02:00:28.509 --> 02:00:30.570 they had made them out to be. 02:00:30.570 --> 02:00:34.203 So, I would vote to go ahead and make this second reading. 02:00:35.430 --> 02:00:37.290 I would point to us into the process. 02:00:37.290 --> 02:00:41.450 We have a very thorough process in our TEKS review. 02:00:41.450 --> 02:00:43.890 It takes a big document even to outline 02:00:43.890 --> 02:00:45.380 the whole process that we go through. 02:00:45.380 --> 02:00:49.150 And we followed this throughout that. 02:00:49.150 --> 02:00:52.400 Many times as we've had debates about other issues, 02:00:52.400 --> 02:00:54.850 there's points made back and forth about 02:00:54.850 --> 02:00:56.170 listening to our educators. 02:00:56.170 --> 02:00:59.150 Well, honestly, we do have a group 02:00:59.150 --> 02:01:01.830 of educators that represent one organization, 02:01:01.830 --> 02:01:05.350 but we've had groups of educators from 02:01:05.350 --> 02:01:07.010 many others who have expressed 02:01:07.010 --> 02:01:09.537 concerns that we are at a good place with this. 02:01:09.537 --> 02:01:14.340 And not to mention all the work of our work groups 02:01:14.340 --> 02:01:16.100 throughout this entire process. 02:01:16.100 --> 02:01:17.770 Our work groups have done a tremendous work. 02:01:17.770 --> 02:01:19.147 I'm very appreciative of this. 02:01:19.147 --> 02:01:20.650 And this is the point where 02:01:20.650 --> 02:01:23.330 our work groups have gotten us to. 02:01:23.330 --> 02:01:25.790 It's my understanding from staff that they have 02:01:25.790 --> 02:01:29.510 had no contact from the work groups themselves, 02:01:29.510 --> 02:01:31.893 that further consideration needs to take place, 02:01:31.893 --> 02:01:35.900 that the work groups feel we're in a good place. 02:01:35.900 --> 02:01:37.760 So again, as you'll hear me, 02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:38.870 not for the first time ever, 02:01:38.870 --> 02:01:41.430 talk about process and how important that is, 02:01:41.430 --> 02:01:42.263 Ms. Hardy. 02:01:43.750 --> 02:01:46.200 Another of the groups that was not represented 02:01:46.200 --> 02:01:48.350 here is a very important group of science 02:01:48.350 --> 02:01:50.273 teachers is STAT. 02:01:51.380 --> 02:01:53.590 And the reason they weren't here was because 02:01:53.590 --> 02:01:56.340 they were satisfied with those four core courses, 02:01:56.340 --> 02:01:57.280 as they were. 02:01:58.151 --> 02:01:59.068 Mr. Chair 02:02:01.440 --> 02:02:02.273 Mr. Cortez. 02:02:02.273 --> 02:02:04.238 Yeah. And I would just wanna add, 02:02:04.238 --> 02:02:07.300 and wanna echo that final statement member Hardy 02:02:07.300 --> 02:02:09.780 made is that I was told the same thing, 02:02:09.780 --> 02:02:14.620 that they were happy with what we had as presented. 02:02:14.620 --> 02:02:16.610 And so, if that's the will of the board, 02:02:16.610 --> 02:02:20.770 then I'm all too happy to approve. 02:02:20.770 --> 02:02:21.740 So, for clarification 02:02:21.740 --> 02:02:22.920 that's presented 02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:26.320 For clarification what we in front of us 02:02:26.320 --> 02:02:30.000 with emotion currently on the floor, is to postpone. 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:34.410 So, if what I'm hearing from member Cortez, 02:02:34.410 --> 02:02:37.170 member Hardy, that if that was the will of the body, 02:02:37.170 --> 02:02:39.743 this motion would need to be Defeated 02:02:41.433 --> 02:02:42.820 defeated. And then we could take up another 02:02:44.925 --> 02:02:46.190 motion to adopt the other four high school 02:02:46.190 --> 02:02:49.110 courses at second rating and final adoption. 02:02:49.110 --> 02:02:51.131 So that's what's on the floor. 02:02:51.131 --> 02:02:54.080 Mr. Maynard, 02:02:54.080 --> 02:02:55.930 Mr. Chairman, I guess, part of the tree inquiry*. 02:02:55.930 --> 02:02:59.780 And so I guess that motion to recommend 02:03:01.299 --> 02:03:02.716 was already made, 02:03:03.694 --> 02:03:06.000 and that there's actually a pending motion to amend. 02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:07.900 So when it comes back, 02:03:07.900 --> 02:03:09.450 is that pending motion to amend? 02:03:09.450 --> 02:03:10.863 Is that what's there? 02:03:12.070 --> 02:03:15.290 Mr. Chairman, if I may interject here, 02:03:15.290 --> 02:03:18.560 I will point out that there is a pending motion to amend 02:03:18.560 --> 02:03:21.010 that was made by the committee of the Full Board. 02:03:21.010 --> 02:03:24.460 This however, is a meeting of the State Board of Education 02:03:24.460 --> 02:03:29.370 who has before it only a motion to postpone. 02:03:29.370 --> 02:03:32.400 Should that motion to postpone be defeated, 02:03:32.400 --> 02:03:35.140 there would be no motion on the floor, 02:03:35.140 --> 02:03:37.750 and it would be open to another member, 02:03:37.750 --> 02:03:41.723 making a motion either to adopt on second reading, 02:03:43.999 --> 02:03:45.245 which was the staff recommendation, 02:03:45.245 --> 02:03:47.195 or to take up amendments at that point. 02:03:49.413 --> 02:03:52.420 I would just maybe ask for clarification of 02:03:52.420 --> 02:03:54.832 member Cortez, member Hardy, who has been part 02:03:54.832 --> 02:03:57.210 of this discussion of the intent of 02:03:57.210 --> 02:04:00.930 these members if this motion is defeated. 02:04:00.930 --> 02:04:04.463 Is there an intent to take up additional amendments? 02:04:07.890 --> 02:04:08.723 No, sir. 02:04:09.750 --> 02:04:10.583 Okay. 02:04:11.681 --> 02:04:13.373 My understanding is that we're gonna accept it as is. 02:04:15.665 --> 02:04:18.483 Okay. Alright. Any other discussion on this motion? 02:04:20.350 --> 02:04:21.490 Dr. Johnson 02:04:22.780 --> 02:04:24.369 Just so I'll understand the process. 02:04:24.369 --> 02:04:29.369 We can postpone, we can elect to move forward. 02:04:32.978 --> 02:04:35.540 If we postpone, we can add amendments 02:04:35.540 --> 02:04:39.073 in the September meeting to those that she brought forward. 02:04:40.020 --> 02:04:42.690 If we go back to work groups or pass that, 02:04:42.690 --> 02:04:44.340 we blew up the whole schedule. 02:04:44.340 --> 02:04:45.590 Correct. 02:04:45.590 --> 02:04:49.570 Okay. Okay. I was just to making sure I was seeing it. 02:04:49.570 --> 02:04:51.970 Dr. Bell mineral*. 02:04:51.970 --> 02:04:55.670 I appreciate member Johnson's question 02:04:55.670 --> 02:04:56.982 because as a new member, 02:04:56.982 --> 02:05:01.143 it's a little bit difficult to understand the procedure. 02:05:01.143 --> 02:05:05.713 I do not wanna blow up the whole calendar, 02:05:06.670 --> 02:05:09.393 that I'm absolutely on board with. 02:05:11.120 --> 02:05:15.983 And I do not want to consider extensive amendments. 02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:22.960 But I do know that I have heard from a number of people, 02:05:24.190 --> 02:05:29.190 that there are a few key elements that are problematic, 02:05:31.130 --> 02:05:33.140 and that there's some issues 02:05:38.043 --> 02:05:38.876 with alignment between the K through 8 02:05:38.876 --> 02:05:41.300 and the high school requirements. 02:05:41.300 --> 02:05:45.580 So that there are small issues but they are important. 02:05:45.580 --> 02:05:49.790 So, I don't know the best way to deal with those, 02:05:49.790 --> 02:05:54.710 or for us all to understand what those issues are. 02:05:54.710 --> 02:05:59.040 And I think that science has advanced 02:05:59.040 --> 02:06:02.253 so much in this area in recent years, 02:06:03.243 --> 02:06:05.950 and it is such an important issue. 02:06:05.950 --> 02:06:10.950 Although the class on climate science is an elective, 02:06:11.180 --> 02:06:13.910 I think it's an elective that more and more 02:06:13.910 --> 02:06:16.620 students are going to want to take 02:06:16.620 --> 02:06:19.555 as they see half of the United States 02:06:19.555 --> 02:06:24.555 burning to a crisp, floods, record temperatures. 02:06:24.850 --> 02:06:26.380 We live on a hotter planet 02:06:26.380 --> 02:06:29.346 than humans have ever lived on right now. 02:06:29.346 --> 02:06:32.580 Humans have never lived on a planet that 02:06:35.534 --> 02:06:37.453 has as high a temperature as the earth has now. 02:06:37.453 --> 02:06:41.170 At any rate, I would like for us to 02:06:41.170 --> 02:06:46.170 delay this process until our September meeting, 02:06:47.340 --> 02:06:50.400 and then finish it then, accept whatever 02:06:50.400 --> 02:06:54.287 goes through, and whatever is accepted. 02:06:54.287 --> 02:06:59.287 But I would rather get it right and have a 02:07:01.390 --> 02:07:05.920 small bump in the road of the usual procedure, 02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:10.760 than just say, "Oh well, it's too much trouble to 02:07:11.989 --> 02:07:13.130 take the time for the future of our children, 02:07:13.130 --> 02:07:17.705 our grandchildren and really an existential threat 02:07:17.705 --> 02:07:20.807 to survival of life on the planet." 02:07:21.667 --> 02:07:24.932 Even if I'm in the minority, and it's futile, 02:07:24.932 --> 02:07:28.863 that is what I would like to do. 02:07:32.667 --> 02:07:35.078 I know there's been discussion about what to do, 02:07:35.078 --> 02:07:40.078 and I think that there's a consensus of 02:07:40.207 --> 02:07:43.757 "Well, oh well, let's just accept it the way it is." 02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:45.653 That's my view. 02:07:46.949 --> 02:07:48.116 Mr Chairman. 02:07:49.533 --> 02:07:51.865 Yes. Mr. Hickman, let me make one statement 02:07:51.865 --> 02:07:53.110 and then I'll recognize you for that. 02:07:53.110 --> 02:07:53.980 I would just point out that I don't think anyone 02:07:55.459 --> 02:07:56.530 on this board feels that it's too much time to take 02:07:57.757 --> 02:07:58.653 for the future of our children or grandchildren. 02:07:58.653 --> 02:08:00.710 I think the point that's been being made, 02:08:00.710 --> 02:08:05.677 is that we've taken that time to work through the process. 02:08:05.677 --> 02:08:07.280 Mr. Hickman, before I recognize you, 02:08:07.280 --> 02:08:09.825 is it okay if I take one more question? 02:08:09.825 --> 02:08:13.100 Ms. Hardy I just wanna say that what 02:08:13.100 --> 02:08:15.290 we're talking about right here and now, 02:08:15.290 --> 02:08:17.690 is only the four elective courses. 02:08:17.690 --> 02:08:22.690 It is not the high school required foundational courses. 02:08:26.322 --> 02:08:27.155 And the K through 8 has to align with that. 02:08:30.043 --> 02:08:30.876 Yeah. And the K through 8 needs to align with that. 02:08:32.949 --> 02:08:34.110 So, it really wouldn't make that difference anyway. 02:08:34.110 --> 02:08:35.290 I think we're ready to take the vote. 02:08:35.290 --> 02:08:38.660 Is there anyone who has any further debate? 02:08:38.660 --> 02:08:42.563 So seeing none, I want to clarify what we're voting on here. 02:08:44.402 --> 02:08:48.500 A vote in favor would be to postpone this to 02:08:50.715 --> 02:08:52.351 our September meeting, 02:08:52.351 --> 02:08:55.490 with no further action by work groups. 02:08:55.490 --> 02:08:59.910 Just to postpone it to the September meeting. 02:08:59.910 --> 02:09:03.630 A vote opposed would just defeat this motion, 02:09:03.630 --> 02:09:05.499 and allow another motion to be presented. 02:09:05.499 --> 02:09:07.122 Any questions on that? 02:09:07.122 --> 02:09:08.374 Mr. Cortez. 02:09:08.374 --> 02:09:10.936 Just for clarification. 02:09:10.936 --> 02:09:12.863 So, I guess if we start getting a flurry of motions, 02:09:16.236 --> 02:09:18.560 after this vote, then I'm probably gonna be 02:09:21.567 --> 02:09:22.463 prepared to offer up a significant number of changes. 02:09:26.260 --> 02:09:28.301 If that's what happens after this vote. 02:09:28.301 --> 02:09:29.606 My parliamentarian can chime in. 02:09:29.606 --> 02:09:31.531 So normally you can't go back to an item 02:09:31.531 --> 02:09:32.686 that's already been defeated, 02:09:32.686 --> 02:09:33.760 but I think that might have changed it enough 02:09:33.760 --> 02:09:36.110 in our process where you could bring back this 02:09:36.110 --> 02:09:37.467 motion to postpone, 02:09:37.467 --> 02:09:41.393 if something other than what we've discussed here, 02:09:43.006 --> 02:09:44.132 because that would be a change. 02:09:44.132 --> 02:09:45.838 Do you see what I'm saying? 02:09:45.838 --> 02:09:46.671 That if there began a flare debates, 02:09:46.671 --> 02:09:48.424 I believe you would be allowed to 02:09:48.424 --> 02:09:49.386 defeat those and bring back this motion. 02:09:49.386 --> 02:09:50.547 Because that would have been something 02:09:50.547 --> 02:09:53.020 substantially different than where we're 02:09:53.020 --> 02:09:54.200 at right now. 02:09:54.200 --> 02:09:56.260 So we would be allowed to take this action again? 02:09:56.260 --> 02:09:59.290 I'm sorry. Not be allowed. 02:09:59.290 --> 02:10:02.430 We would. If there has been progress in the debates, 02:10:02.430 --> 02:10:05.620 such as many other motions being brought forward, 02:10:05.620 --> 02:10:08.500 which would be get to your hands. 02:10:08.500 --> 02:10:09.576 Okay, good. 02:10:09.576 --> 02:10:12.870 So again, favor of yes, is to 02:10:12.870 --> 02:10:15.480 postpone this to our September meeting. 02:10:15.480 --> 02:10:18.480 So, I'll ask all those in favor of this motion, 02:10:18.480 --> 02:10:20.453 show yes, by raising your hand. 02:10:29.280 --> 02:10:30.380 Did we get our online? 02:10:38.390 --> 02:10:42.816 Ms. Pérez and Mr. Allen, are you voting on? Okay. 02:10:42.816 --> 02:10:43.940 So, we have six in the affirmative. 02:10:43.940 --> 02:10:45.823 All those opposed, by the same sign. 02:10:54.220 --> 02:10:55.520 Okay. Alright. 02:10:55.520 --> 02:10:58.060 So, in a vote of six in the affirmative, 02:10:58.060 --> 02:11:00.973 eight against this motion is defeated. 02:11:02.050 --> 02:11:06.300 So now we would be open for another motion. 02:11:06.300 --> 02:11:07.143 Mr. Cortez. 02:11:08.060 --> 02:11:11.194 I would move at the State Board of Education 02:11:11.194 --> 02:11:15.070 approve as is, for second reading and final 02:11:15.070 --> 02:11:19.200 adoption proposed 19 TAC Chapter 112 02:11:19.200 --> 02:11:21.470 Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Science 02:11:21.470 --> 02:11:26.470 Subchapter C High School, 112.46 implementation of 02:11:27.170 --> 02:11:30.370 Texas Essential Knowledge of Skills for Science 02:11:30.370 --> 02:11:34.300 High School adopted 2021 112.47 Aquatic 02:11:34.300 --> 02:11:35.697 Science adopted 2021, 1 Credit 02:11:35.697 --> 02:11:38.406 112.48, Astronomy adopted 2021, 1 Credit 02:11:38.406 --> 02:11:42.757 112.49 or Science Systems adopted 2021, 1 Credit 02:11:42.757 --> 02:11:47.757 112.50 Environmental Systems adopted 2021, 1 Credit. 02:11:49.349 --> 02:11:50.182 And 112.51 Specialized Topics in Science 02:11:50.182 --> 02:11:54.667 adopted 2021, 1 Credit. 02:11:54.667 --> 02:11:58.871 And make an affirmative finding that immediate adoption of 02:11:58.871 --> 02:12:03.871 the proposed new 19 TAC Chapter 112, 02:12:06.306 --> 02:12:11.306 Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Science Subchapter 02:12:12.190 --> 02:12:14.990 C High School, 112.46 02:12:14.990 --> 02:12:17.620 Implementation of Texas Essential Knowledge. 02:12:17.620 --> 02:12:20.867 and Skills for Science High School adopted 2021 02:12:20.867 --> 02:12:25.840 112.47. Aquatic Science adopted 2021 1 Credit 02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:30.250 112.48. Astronomy adopted 2021 1 Credit 02:12:30.250 --> 02:12:35.250 112.49. Earth Science Systems adopted 2021 1 Credit 02:12:35.490 --> 02:12:40.490 112.50 Environmental Systems adopted 2021, 1 Credit 02:12:41.413 --> 02:12:45.550 and 112.51 Specialized Topics in Science 02:12:45.550 --> 02:12:48.080 adopted 2021 1 Credit 02:12:48.080 --> 02:12:50.750 is necessary and shall have an effective date of 02:12:50.750 --> 02:12:55.750 20 days after filing as adopted with the Texas Registrar. 02:12:56.118 --> 02:12:57.040 I second 02:12:57.040 --> 02:12:59.546 Alright, we have a motion to second. 02:12:59.546 --> 02:13:01.263 Is there a further debate on this item? 02:13:05.530 --> 02:13:06.600 Alright. 02:13:06.600 --> 02:13:09.933 My understanding it's a two thirds vote on this. 02:13:11.140 --> 02:13:13.500 So, where we're at now, for clarification. 02:13:13.500 --> 02:13:16.810 We are back to where we were with the staff 02:13:16.810 --> 02:13:20.241 recommendations that we came into the meeting. 02:13:20.241 --> 02:13:23.290 First time second reading and final adoption 02:13:23.290 --> 02:13:25.170 with the document that has been presented to 02:13:25.170 --> 02:13:27.200 us from the work groups. 02:13:27.200 --> 02:13:31.110 And it will take a two thirds majority for this vote. 02:13:31.110 --> 02:13:32.642 Parliamentary inquiry, why is it a two thirds vote? 02:13:32.642 --> 02:13:34.752 Yeah, the two thirds is necessary for it to take effect 02:13:34.752 --> 02:13:39.752 for this school year. 02:13:40.520 --> 02:13:41.700 Otherwise it's adopted, 02:13:41.700 --> 02:13:43.603 but it will take effect the following. 02:13:44.480 --> 02:13:47.280 So, if we pass it with a majority, 02:13:47.280 --> 02:13:48.930 would that be a different motion? 02:13:52.770 --> 02:13:54.860 I believe you're doing this in one motion. 02:13:54.860 --> 02:13:57.076 If it passes with the majority, it's still adopted, 02:13:57.076 --> 02:14:01.033 but it just will not have immediate effective date. 02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:05.757 But I'm looking at our parliamentarian to see if 02:14:05.757 --> 02:14:06.763 that's true. 02:14:13.875 --> 02:14:18.875 I would actually believe that I would not agree with that, 02:14:18.980 --> 02:14:23.980 because part of the motion is the effective date of 20 days. 02:14:24.600 --> 02:14:26.750 So, if this motion is defeated, 02:14:26.750 --> 02:14:29.260 it could be re-offered again, 02:14:29.260 --> 02:14:31.296 without the second paragraph, 02:14:31.296 --> 02:14:34.180 the "make an affirmative finding" part. 02:14:34.180 --> 02:14:36.120 There it would take a majority, 02:14:36.120 --> 02:14:38.523 and then it would have a later effective date. 02:14:42.607 --> 02:14:45.107 Is that clear for everybody? 02:14:47.239 --> 02:14:49.530 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:14:49.530 --> 02:14:52.310 Could you just go over that one more time? 02:14:52.310 --> 02:14:54.310 I'm sorry. I'm just... 02:14:58.230 --> 02:15:01.383 Yes. Ma'am. This is a motion in two paragraphs. 02:15:02.853 --> 02:15:07.350 And it's that way on the website where it produces this. 02:15:07.350 --> 02:15:10.360 And so, the first paragraph says, 02:15:10.360 --> 02:15:14.340 we're gonna prove it for second reading and final adoption. 02:15:14.340 --> 02:15:17.100 And the second paragraph says, 02:15:17.100 --> 02:15:20.828 we're going to make an affirmative finding that 02:15:20.828 --> 02:15:23.000 immediate adoption is required. 02:15:23.000 --> 02:15:25.720 And to do that immediate adoption which would 02:15:25.720 --> 02:15:28.393 put this in effect this school year, 02:15:29.480 --> 02:15:31.163 takes a two thirds vote. 02:15:32.500 --> 02:15:35.650 If the motion does not achieve two thirds, 02:15:35.650 --> 02:15:38.200 but does achieve a majority, 02:15:38.200 --> 02:15:43.200 it could be removed with just the first paragraph, 02:15:44.300 --> 02:15:45.520 which would then mean 02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:49.080 that it would be effective at a later date. 02:15:49.080 --> 02:15:53.230 It would not be effective 20 days after filing is 02:15:53.230 --> 02:15:56.090 adopted with the Texas register. 02:15:56.090 --> 02:15:56.923 Chairman 02:15:56.923 --> 02:15:58.580 Yes 02:15:58.580 --> 02:16:00.727 I am probably gonna muddy the waters here, 02:16:00.727 --> 02:16:02.748 but I do need to add some clarification. 02:16:02.748 --> 02:16:05.775 There is a difference between the effective date, 02:16:05.775 --> 02:16:07.736 and the implementation date. 02:16:07.736 --> 02:16:11.700 The effective date is when the rule becomes effective. 02:16:11.700 --> 02:16:15.090 That means it's published and people can see it. 02:16:15.090 --> 02:16:16.990 But if you look at Roman numeral I-IX, 02:16:18.030 --> 02:16:20.576 you've got language indicating that the 02:16:20.576 --> 02:16:24.175 implementation would be the 24/25 school year. 02:16:24.175 --> 02:16:26.030 The reason that we do that, 02:16:26.030 --> 02:16:30.610 is so that we have time to communicate changes to the field, 02:16:30.610 --> 02:16:31.773 provide professional development, 02:16:31.773 --> 02:16:35.010 you have time to adopt instructional materials 02:16:35.010 --> 02:16:37.000 with these new standards being effective. 02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:39.050 So they will live side by side, 02:16:39.050 --> 02:16:41.430 with the existing core standards 02:16:41.430 --> 02:16:44.614 until the 24/25 school year. 02:16:44.614 --> 02:16:49.160 If you don't have the immediate effective date, 02:16:49.160 --> 02:16:52.410 then that means that this rule is out there as adopted, 02:16:52.410 --> 02:16:54.497 not yet effective, and nothing can happen 02:16:54.497 --> 02:16:58.523 to that rule until it becomes effective. 02:17:00.030 --> 02:17:04.910 So, I don't want for folks to be of the understanding 02:17:04.910 --> 02:17:08.620 that these revised courses would be implemented 02:17:08.620 --> 02:17:12.497 in 21/22 because of that is not correct. 02:17:12.497 --> 02:17:17.497 So, if I could try to condense what Monica has said there. 02:17:20.390 --> 02:17:23.650 If you pass this, even with immediate effective date, 02:17:23.650 --> 02:17:27.090 the course isn't going in until 24/25, 02:17:27.090 --> 02:17:29.490 but if you don't do an immediate effective date, 02:17:29.490 --> 02:17:31.903 you won't be able to modify this for a year. 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:34.900 Because it won't be effective yet. 02:17:34.900 --> 02:17:38.753 And you can only take up rules that are currently in effect. 02:17:45.580 --> 02:17:46.413 Got all that? 02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:48.193 Okay. Thank you. 02:17:49.470 --> 02:17:51.580 Okay. So, the motion still stands, 02:17:51.580 --> 02:17:54.136 that it would take a two thirds majority 02:17:54.136 --> 02:17:54.969 for immediate effective date. 02:17:56.077 --> 02:17:58.850 So at this point in time, we have a motion, 02:17:58.850 --> 02:18:01.810 we have a second, we've had the discussion. 02:18:01.810 --> 02:18:05.153 I would ask all those in favor show by raising your hand. 02:18:14.760 --> 02:18:16.510 All those opposed by the same sign. 02:18:18.846 --> 02:18:20.217 There are 14 in favor, and 0 opposed, 02:18:20.217 --> 02:18:22.183 and the motion is adopted. 02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:28.180 Alright, we will now move to item number 4, 02:18:28.180 --> 02:18:30.740 which is consideration of the Commissioner of Education's 02:18:30.740 --> 02:18:33.730 Generation 26 Open-Enrollment Charter School Proposals. 02:18:33.730 --> 02:18:38.730 This is on page I-36 of your agenda. 02:18:38.870 --> 02:18:40.970 And let me take just a minute or two break here, 02:18:40.970 --> 02:18:43.310 just to make sure we have our motions in order, 02:18:43.310 --> 02:18:44.710 and have that squared away. 02:19:26.570 --> 02:19:29.960 What were taking up now is the seven recommendations, 02:19:29.960 --> 02:19:32.490 that were made by the Committee of the Full Board. 02:19:32.490 --> 02:19:33.998 They were not all the same recommendations. 02:19:33.998 --> 02:19:35.677 Some were recommendations to take no action, 02:19:35.677 --> 02:19:38.000 and some were recommendations to veto. 02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:41.410 We will take them up as they were approved 02:19:41.410 --> 02:19:43.350 by the Committee of the Full Board. 02:19:43.350 --> 02:19:46.920 If those receive the same affirmative vote, 02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:49.050 as we did in the Committee of the Full Board, 02:19:49.050 --> 02:19:51.610 in other words, if nothing changes, 02:19:51.610 --> 02:19:53.800 then as we go each one, 02:19:53.800 --> 02:19:58.030 that will finish that particular vote. 02:19:58.030 --> 02:20:02.990 If there is a different vote than what was recommended 02:20:02.990 --> 02:20:04.010 in the Committee of the Full Board, 02:20:04.010 --> 02:20:06.199 then like we did the other day, 02:20:06.199 --> 02:20:08.399 we'll take the opposite side of that motion. 02:20:09.380 --> 02:20:10.213 Mr. Cortez. 02:20:12.695 --> 02:20:13.930 Mr. Chair, I guess before we begin. 02:20:13.930 --> 02:20:16.040 A lot's been said during testimony 02:20:16.040 --> 02:20:21.040 and during the interviews with the charter groups. 02:20:21.395 --> 02:20:25.370 And I had a lot of things that I didn't wanna say, 02:20:25.370 --> 02:20:27.220 but I'm not even gonna talk about that 02:20:27.220 --> 02:20:28.772 as we go, one by one. 02:20:28.772 --> 02:20:31.770 What I do wanna say is that 02:20:31.770 --> 02:20:34.940 I learned late yesterday and this morning, 02:20:34.940 --> 02:20:39.030 that some of the votes in this body might change 02:20:39.030 --> 02:20:41.130 as a result of the Governor's Office reaching 02:20:41.130 --> 02:20:43.553 out to members on this board. 02:20:46.140 --> 02:20:48.300 I don't know why the Governor is so interested 02:20:48.300 --> 02:20:51.370 in these charter businesses, but I am very disappointed. 02:20:51.370 --> 02:20:56.370 Governor Abbott may think he runs the legislature, 02:20:56.770 --> 02:21:00.043 but he does not run the State Board of Education. 02:21:00.917 --> 02:21:04.050 If these charters are approved, 02:21:04.050 --> 02:21:08.640 I want everyone to know that this is about power, 02:21:08.640 --> 02:21:10.451 not about children. 02:21:10.451 --> 02:21:14.760 I respect each and every one of my colleagues, 02:21:14.760 --> 02:21:17.190 we disagree at times. 02:21:17.190 --> 02:21:19.340 But I sincerely hope that you vote your conscience 02:21:19.340 --> 02:21:23.230 and not buckle under the pressure of the Governor 02:21:23.230 --> 02:21:27.370 who clearly thinks some of us in this room work for him. 02:21:27.370 --> 02:21:30.040 We don't. We work for kids. 02:21:30.040 --> 02:21:31.320 And I'll remind all of you again. 02:21:31.320 --> 02:21:32.760 We work for children, 02:21:32.760 --> 02:21:35.683 not for the Governor of the State of Texas. 02:21:35.683 --> 02:21:36.920 So, having said that, 02:21:36.920 --> 02:21:39.360 I will vote my conscience on those seven. 02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:42.640 And that's the last you'll hear from me on this topic. 02:21:42.640 --> 02:21:43.610 Thank you, Mr. Cortez. 02:21:43.610 --> 02:21:45.045 I do wanna point out 02:21:45.045 --> 02:21:46.110 that I've been very involved in this process, 02:21:46.110 --> 02:21:47.830 and I think from my perspective, 02:21:47.830 --> 02:21:50.046 and I've been very involved with this, 02:21:50.046 --> 02:21:51.033 those allegations are not accurate. 02:21:52.750 --> 02:21:54.540 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:21:54.540 --> 02:21:58.250 I just want to ask if the votes are going to be 02:21:58.250 --> 02:22:00.861 the same as the votes we took before. 02:22:00.861 --> 02:22:04.338 It was a very confusing voting process. 02:22:04.338 --> 02:22:07.093 It will be the same confusion. 02:22:07.093 --> 02:22:09.360 I will go very slow through the process. 02:22:09.360 --> 02:22:11.872 We wanna make sure that everyone 02:22:11.872 --> 02:22:13.770 votes with a full understanding. 02:22:13.770 --> 02:22:16.900 They will be the same as came out of committee, 02:22:16.900 --> 02:22:19.040 but I will go through each one individually, 02:22:19.040 --> 02:22:20.200 and make sure everyone 02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:23.370 is fully aware of what each individual. 02:22:23.370 --> 02:22:25.294 'Cause they will be a little bit different. 02:22:25.294 --> 02:22:27.040 'Cause we have different coming out. 02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:32.040 Because sometimes it was vote no, if you were for it, 02:22:35.157 --> 02:22:39.762 and then yes, if you were not for it. 02:22:39.762 --> 02:22:42.050 And so... We'll be very clear on it. 02:22:42.050 --> 02:22:43.540 Okay. Thank you. 02:22:43.540 --> 02:22:45.537 You'll spell it out like, 02:22:45.537 --> 02:22:48.600 "This means you want this school." 02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:50.500 I'll make sure. Yes. 02:22:50.500 --> 02:22:52.479 Alright. Any other comments from members? 02:22:52.479 --> 02:22:55.184 Okay. I'm gonna call on Ms. Little. 02:22:55.184 --> 02:22:57.832 Mr. Chair the Committee of the Full Board 02:22:57.832 --> 02:23:01.733 recommends that the State Board of Education, 02:23:01.733 --> 02:23:06.733 take no action on the Commissioner of Education's 02:23:07.960 --> 02:23:12.350 Generation 26 open-enrollment charter school proposal for 02:23:12.350 --> 02:23:16.410 Essence Preparatory Charter School, in San Antonio. 02:23:16.410 --> 02:23:19.470 Okay. Is there any further debate on this item? 02:23:19.470 --> 02:23:23.040 So this is a charter that was voted 02:23:23.040 --> 02:23:25.662 by the Committee of the Full Board to take no action. 02:23:25.662 --> 02:23:28.760 What that practically means is it would be approved. 02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:33.760 So a vote in this case of yes, would be to affirm that, 02:23:34.586 --> 02:23:37.810 and a vote of yes would approve the charter, 02:23:37.810 --> 02:23:42.430 and a vote of no, would be the opposite of that. 02:23:42.430 --> 02:23:44.770 Ms. Davis did that answer your question? 02:23:44.770 --> 02:23:47.755 No, I wanted to have discussion. 02:23:47.755 --> 02:23:48.643 Okay. 02:23:48.643 --> 02:23:50.587 Oh, I just wanted to speak in support of Essence Prep. 02:23:50.587 --> 02:23:52.460 I think they had a great application. 02:23:52.460 --> 02:23:54.760 Everything was very transparent. 02:23:54.760 --> 02:23:55.850 They were very honest, 02:23:55.850 --> 02:23:57.200 they've been in the community, 02:23:57.200 --> 02:23:59.610 and I think they have a great plan. 02:23:59.610 --> 02:24:01.370 They wanna make sure they stay right there 02:24:01.370 --> 02:24:04.440 and they serve the communities that they know very well. 02:24:04.440 --> 02:24:06.240 So I would like to speak in support. 02:24:07.319 --> 02:24:08.864 Any further debate? 02:24:08.864 --> 02:24:11.196 Do you need a second on this motion? 02:24:11.196 --> 02:24:13.522 No Ma'am, they come from the committee 02:24:13.522 --> 02:24:15.272 and don't require a second* 02:24:15.272 --> 02:24:16.500 Any further debate on this one. 02:24:16.500 --> 02:24:18.557 So we were ready to take the vote 02:24:18.557 --> 02:24:20.081 and I'll remind one more time. 02:24:20.081 --> 02:24:23.380 A vote of yes, is for the charter to be approved. 02:24:23.380 --> 02:24:24.213 Mr. Chair. 02:24:25.150 --> 02:24:25.983 Yes. Ma'am 02:24:26.840 --> 02:24:28.101 May I roll call now?* 02:24:28.101 --> 02:24:29.313 You may roll call. 02:24:29.313 --> 02:24:30.603 Can I ask you to call a roll call on each one? 02:24:31.558 --> 02:24:32.391 I'd love to say that* 02:24:32.391 --> 02:24:34.510 Yes. So that's your intent for each one? 02:24:34.510 --> 02:24:36.530 Okay. So a roll call vote has been requested 02:24:36.530 --> 02:24:40.430 for each and every one of those, and that will be accepted. 02:24:40.430 --> 02:24:43.420 So I'll call on Ms. Martinez to call the roll. 02:24:43.420 --> 02:24:44.900 Ms. Perez. 02:24:44.900 --> 02:24:45.733 No. 02:24:48.454 --> 02:24:49.331 Mr. Cortez. 02:24:49.331 --> 02:24:50.164 No. 02:24:51.114 --> 02:24:52.008 Ms. Pérez-Díaz. 02:24:52.008 --> 02:24:52.841 Yes. 02:24:54.630 --> 02:24:56.000 Mr. Allen. 02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:56.833 Yes. 02:24:57.700 --> 02:24:59.110 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:24:59.110 --> 02:25:00.370 Yes. 02:25:00.370 --> 02:25:01.441 Mr. Hickman. 02:25:01.441 --> 02:25:03.103 Yes. 02:25:05.088 --> 02:25:06.860 Dr. Robinson. 02:25:06.860 --> 02:25:07.693 No. 02:25:08.750 --> 02:25:10.138 Dr. Young. 02:25:10.138 --> 02:25:11.283 Yes. 02:25:13.140 --> 02:25:14.220 Mr. Maynard. 02:25:14.220 --> 02:25:15.780 Yes. 02:25:15.780 --> 02:25:16.720 Ms. Hardy. 02:25:16.720 --> 02:25:18.250 Yes. 02:25:18.250 --> 02:25:19.120 Mrs. Little. 02:25:19.120 --> 02:25:20.140 Yes. 02:25:20.140 --> 02:25:21.060 Ms. Davis. 02:25:21.060 --> 02:25:22.090 Yes. 02:25:22.090 --> 02:25:23.808 Mrs. Melton-Malone. 02:25:23.808 --> 02:25:24.843 Yes. 02:25:24.843 --> 02:25:26.771 Dr. Johnson. 02:25:26.771 --> 02:25:27.604 Yes. 02:25:30.810 --> 02:25:33.383 I have 11 in favor and three opposed. 02:25:34.670 --> 02:25:37.210 Okay. So there is a majority in favor 02:25:37.210 --> 02:25:39.840 in the recommendation is adopted, 02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:43.120 which will allow Essence Preparatory Charter School 02:25:43.120 --> 02:25:44.033 to move forward. 02:25:46.410 --> 02:25:48.320 Alright. Ms. Little 02:25:51.130 --> 02:25:53.700 Mr. Chair, the Committee of the Full Board recommends 02:25:53.700 --> 02:25:56.550 that the State Board of Education veto, 02:25:56.550 --> 02:25:57.645 the Commissioner of Education's 02:25:57.645 --> 02:25:59.226 Generation 26 open-enrollment 02:25:59.226 --> 02:26:01.336 charter school proposal 02:26:01.336 --> 02:26:04.803 for Heritage Classical Academy in Houston. 02:26:06.640 --> 02:26:08.000 Alright, members, 02:26:08.000 --> 02:26:10.020 is there any further debate on this item? 02:26:10.020 --> 02:26:11.600 Mr. Hickman? 02:26:11.600 --> 02:26:13.120 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 02:26:13.120 --> 02:26:14.810 Like a number of these in Houston, 02:26:14.810 --> 02:26:18.650 some of them are bordering on my district 02:26:18.650 --> 02:26:19.770 and member Allen's district, 02:26:19.770 --> 02:26:22.603 but I'll just speak in favor, this is definitely innovative. 02:26:22.603 --> 02:26:24.820 I'm not aware of any other public schools 02:26:24.820 --> 02:26:26.896 in the area offering a classical. 02:26:26.896 --> 02:26:29.920 So for parents and children interested 02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:30.990 in that sort of curriculum, 02:26:30.990 --> 02:26:33.923 this is for me an innovative approach. 02:26:37.330 --> 02:26:40.130 Any other members have any further debate on this one? 02:26:41.820 --> 02:26:44.390 Okay. So for clarification on this one, 02:26:44.390 --> 02:26:47.210 the recommendation of the Committee of the Full Board, 02:26:47.210 --> 02:26:48.513 was to veto this charter. 02:26:49.900 --> 02:26:53.420 So in an affirmative yes vote here, 02:26:53.420 --> 02:26:55.580 will be the opposite of your last vote. 02:26:55.580 --> 02:26:57.403 It will be to veto this charter. 02:26:58.760 --> 02:27:00.980 So for clarification, that yes vote 02:27:00.980 --> 02:27:04.653 is to veto Heritage Classical Academy. 02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:07.500 Are we ready or any further questions? 02:27:08.440 --> 02:27:11.270 Ms. Martinez, will you please call the roll? 02:27:11.270 --> 02:27:12.560 Ms. Perez. 02:27:12.560 --> 02:27:13.530 Yes. 02:27:13.530 --> 02:27:15.142 Mr. Cortez. 02:27:15.142 --> 02:27:16.129 Yes. 02:27:16.129 --> 02:27:17.214 Ms. Pérez-Díaz. 02:27:17.214 --> 02:27:18.669 Yes. 02:27:18.669 --> 02:27:20.144 Mr. Allen. 02:27:20.144 --> 02:27:21.183 Yes. 02:27:22.290 --> 02:27:23.630 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:27:23.630 --> 02:27:24.463 Yes. 02:27:25.328 --> 02:27:28.280 Mr. Hickman. 02:27:28.280 --> 02:27:29.419 No. 02:27:29.419 --> 02:27:31.016 Dr. Robinson. 02:27:31.016 --> 02:27:31.849 Yes. 02:27:32.860 --> 02:27:33.820 Dr. Young. 02:27:33.820 --> 02:27:35.544 No. 02:27:35.544 --> 02:27:37.140 Mr. Maynard. 02:27:37.140 --> 02:27:38.253 No. 02:27:38.253 --> 02:27:40.130 Ms. Hardy. 02:27:40.130 --> 02:27:40.963 No. 02:27:42.087 --> 02:27:45.042 Mrs. Little. 02:27:45.042 --> 02:27:46.063 No. 02:27:47.350 --> 02:27:48.200 Ms. Davis. 02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:49.810 Yes. 02:27:49.810 --> 02:27:50.984 Mrs. Melton-Malone. 02:27:50.984 --> 02:27:52.289 No. 02:27:52.289 --> 02:27:54.031 Dr. Johnson. 02:27:54.031 --> 02:27:54.864 Yes. 02:27:59.950 --> 02:28:02.609 Eight votes in favor, and six opposed? 02:28:02.609 --> 02:28:03.938 Yes, sir. 02:28:03.938 --> 02:28:06.773 So the motion carries. 02:28:08.161 --> 02:28:10.567 There is a majority in favor 02:28:10.567 --> 02:28:12.563 and the recommendation is adopted. 02:28:13.515 --> 02:28:14.348 The motion carries, 02:28:14.348 --> 02:28:17.273 which is a veto of Heritage Classical Academy. 02:28:20.200 --> 02:28:21.033 Ms. Little. 02:28:22.773 --> 02:28:26.030 Mr. Chair, the Committee of the Full Board recommends 02:28:26.030 --> 02:28:26.958 that the State Board of Education veto 02:28:26.958 --> 02:28:30.150 the Commissioner of Education's 02:28:30.150 --> 02:28:33.660 Generation 26 open-enrollment charter school proposal 02:28:33.660 --> 02:28:36.003 for the Justice Hub in Houston. 02:28:37.270 --> 02:28:39.570 Aright members, further debate on this item. 02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:44.320 This will be the exact same vote as the previous one. 02:28:44.320 --> 02:28:47.610 That a yes vote, an affirmative vote, 02:28:47.610 --> 02:28:50.180 would be to carry forth the recommendation 02:28:50.180 --> 02:28:51.720 of the Committee of the Full Board, 02:28:51.720 --> 02:28:55.390 which was to veto the Justice Hub from Houston. 02:28:55.390 --> 02:28:58.560 So a yes vote is to confirm the veto. 02:28:58.560 --> 02:28:59.960 Any questions on that? 02:29:01.330 --> 02:29:04.370 Ms. Martinez, would you please call the roll? 02:29:04.370 --> 02:29:05.770 Ms. Perez. 02:29:05.770 --> 02:29:06.890 Yes. 02:29:06.890 --> 02:29:08.110 Mr. Cortez. 02:29:08.110 --> 02:29:09.260 Yes. 02:29:09.260 --> 02:29:10.320 Ms. Pérez-Díaz. 02:29:10.320 --> 02:29:11.440 Yes. 02:29:11.440 --> 02:29:13.041 Mr. Allen. 02:29:13.041 --> 02:29:14.670 Yes. 02:29:14.670 --> 02:29:16.103 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:29:16.103 --> 02:29:17.494 Yes. 02:29:17.494 --> 02:29:20.070 Mr. Hickman. 02:29:20.070 --> 02:29:21.204 No. 02:29:21.204 --> 02:29:23.000 Dr. Robinson. 02:29:23.000 --> 02:29:24.286 Yes. 02:29:24.286 --> 02:29:25.909 Dr. Young. 02:29:25.909 --> 02:29:27.544 Yes. 02:29:27.544 --> 02:29:30.030 Mr. Maynard. 02:29:30.030 --> 02:29:31.630 Yes. 02:29:31.630 --> 02:29:32.750 Ms. Hardy. 02:29:32.750 --> 02:29:33.887 Yes. 02:29:33.887 --> 02:29:35.201 Mrs. Little. 02:29:35.201 --> 02:29:36.034 Yes. 02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:37.890 Ms. Davis. 02:29:37.890 --> 02:29:38.723 Yes. 02:29:42.380 --> 02:29:43.660 Mrs. Melton-Malone. 02:29:43.660 --> 02:29:45.140 Yes. 02:29:45.140 --> 02:29:46.626 Dr. Johnson. 02:29:46.626 --> 02:29:47.459 Yes 02:29:51.800 --> 02:29:54.963 13 In favor and one opposed. 02:29:56.770 --> 02:29:58.680 So there is a majority in favor 02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:01.620 in the recommendation is adopted, 02:30:01.620 --> 02:30:04.973 which will continue the veto of the Justice Hub of Houston. 02:30:06.067 --> 02:30:07.234 Perfect. Okay. 02:30:09.130 --> 02:30:09.963 Ms. Little. 02:30:12.210 --> 02:30:14.620 Mr. Chair, the Committee of the Full Board recommends 02:30:14.620 --> 02:30:17.050 that the State Board of Education veto 02:30:17.050 --> 02:30:19.890 the Commissioner of Education's Generation 26 02:30:19.890 --> 02:30:22.490 open-enrollment charter school proposal 02:30:22.490 --> 02:30:26.640 for Red Brick Academy Charter School in Houston. 02:30:26.640 --> 02:30:29.390 Members is there any further discussion on this item? 02:30:31.550 --> 02:30:33.863 So we have the same procedure as the last two. 02:30:35.210 --> 02:30:39.070 A yes, affirmative vote, would confirm the veto 02:30:39.070 --> 02:30:40.760 of the Committee of the Full Board. 02:30:40.760 --> 02:30:43.890 A yes vote, is for a veto. 02:30:43.890 --> 02:30:46.123 Ms. Martinez, would you please call the roll? 02:30:48.726 --> 02:30:51.714 Ms. Perez. 02:30:51.714 --> 02:30:53.460 Yes. 02:30:53.460 --> 02:30:54.293 Mr. Cortez. 02:30:54.293 --> 02:30:55.126 Yes. 02:30:56.000 --> 02:30:57.497 Ms. Pérez-Díaz. 02:30:57.497 --> 02:30:59.360 Yes. 02:30:59.360 --> 02:31:00.393 Mr. Allen. 02:31:01.240 --> 02:31:02.350 Yes. 02:31:02.350 --> 02:31:04.020 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:31:04.020 --> 02:31:06.050 Yes. 02:31:06.050 --> 02:31:07.816 Mr. Hickman. 02:31:07.816 --> 02:31:08.773 Yes. 02:31:12.550 --> 02:31:13.740 Dr. Robinson. 02:31:13.740 --> 02:31:14.573 Yes. 02:31:16.070 --> 02:31:17.240 Dr. Young. 02:31:17.240 --> 02:31:18.073 Yes. 02:31:19.500 --> 02:31:21.590 Mr. Maynard. 02:31:21.590 --> 02:31:22.423 No. 02:31:23.820 --> 02:31:24.930 Ms. Hardy. 02:31:24.930 --> 02:31:25.763 Yes. 02:31:26.900 --> 02:31:27.980 Mrs. Little. 02:31:27.980 --> 02:31:29.532 No. 02:31:29.532 --> 02:31:31.123 Ms. Davis. 02:31:31.123 --> 02:31:36.123 Yes to veto. Correct. Yes to veto. 02:31:38.870 --> 02:31:40.429 Mrs. Melton-Malone. 02:31:40.429 --> 02:31:41.650 Yes. 02:31:41.650 --> 02:31:42.779 Dr. Johnson. 02:31:42.779 --> 02:31:43.612 Yes. 02:31:46.923 --> 02:31:49.823 12 and favor and two against. 02:31:51.980 --> 02:31:54.950 So there is a majority in favor 02:31:54.950 --> 02:31:57.129 and the recommendation is adopted, 02:31:57.129 --> 02:31:58.360 which is to veto 02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:00.760 the Red Brick Academy Charter School of Houston. 02:32:02.330 --> 02:32:03.163 Ms. Little. 02:32:04.410 --> 02:32:07.137 Mr. Chair, the Committee of the Full Board recommends 02:32:07.137 --> 02:32:07.970 that the State Board of Education 02:32:07.970 --> 02:32:10.130 take no action on the Commissioner of 02:32:10.130 --> 02:32:13.260 Education's Generation 26 open-enrollment 02:32:13.260 --> 02:32:14.870 charter school proposal, 02:32:14.870 --> 02:32:17.683 for Rocketship Public Schools in Fort Worth. 02:32:19.420 --> 02:32:22.020 Members, any further discussion on this item? 02:32:22.020 --> 02:32:22.853 Ms. Davis? 02:32:24.000 --> 02:32:26.520 Yes. I wanted to address some of the things 02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:28.773 that were said when we voted previously. 02:32:29.779 --> 02:32:31.800 One thing that was said was that 02:32:31.800 --> 02:32:34.820 there are no other choices in that area. 02:32:34.820 --> 02:32:36.570 But there are four schools 02:32:36.570 --> 02:32:39.683 within five minutes of the proposed location. 02:32:40.520 --> 02:32:42.500 So for us to think that 02:32:42.500 --> 02:32:44.981 either they go to the ISD or nowhere, that's not true. 02:32:44.981 --> 02:32:49.593 There are plenty of Uplifts and Trinity Basins and IDEAs, 02:32:50.566 --> 02:32:52.152 and other smaller campuses, 02:32:52.152 --> 02:32:55.070 right there just a couple of minutes away from the building. 02:32:55.070 --> 02:32:56.890 Another thing was that it was said 02:32:56.890 --> 02:32:58.750 that all elected officials approved. 02:32:58.750 --> 02:33:01.260 We know that member Cortez said 02:33:01.260 --> 02:33:03.870 he identified one immediately. 02:33:03.870 --> 02:33:05.210 But I spent the night calling 02:33:05.210 --> 02:33:07.540 elected officials in that area. 02:33:07.540 --> 02:33:11.410 And the three words they use to describe what happened, 02:33:11.410 --> 02:33:13.920 was that their community members were used, 02:33:13.920 --> 02:33:15.823 manipulated and exploited. 02:33:17.060 --> 02:33:19.290 And I don't think we should get into the practice 02:33:19.290 --> 02:33:22.390 of having charter applicants come with some of the most 02:33:24.028 --> 02:33:25.060 disenfranchised people in our communities, 02:33:25.060 --> 02:33:28.150 to try to get guilt into passing the charter. 02:33:28.150 --> 02:33:31.550 We all know there was nothing about that academic plan, 02:33:31.550 --> 02:33:33.480 that would make the changes and bring the hope 02:33:33.480 --> 02:33:35.330 that those community members deserve. 02:33:36.170 --> 02:33:38.480 There were three things that they said were innovative. 02:33:38.480 --> 02:33:42.150 Three. One was students would rotate through classes. 02:33:42.150 --> 02:33:44.610 That already happens in Fort Worth. 02:33:44.610 --> 02:33:46.740 Two, it said weekly coaching for teachers. 02:33:46.740 --> 02:33:49.190 That already happens in Fort Worth. 02:33:49.190 --> 02:33:51.030 Three was annual home visits. 02:33:51.030 --> 02:33:52.750 That already happens in Fort Worth. 02:33:52.750 --> 02:33:55.480 There was absolutely nothing innovative. 02:33:55.480 --> 02:33:57.210 We didn't have any other charter applicants 02:33:57.210 --> 02:33:59.220 who are that manipulative, 02:33:59.220 --> 02:34:01.570 who lied to us for two years. 02:34:01.570 --> 02:34:03.840 And it's beyond me how anyone can say they trust anybody, 02:34:03.840 --> 02:34:07.393 when everything they told us has been broken apart. 02:34:08.870 --> 02:34:11.890 They already have a building that's paid for and opens up on 02:34:11.890 --> 02:34:13.500 July 1st. 02:34:13.500 --> 02:34:15.360 So they're depending on knowing that you all 02:34:15.360 --> 02:34:17.350 are gonna step in line with what they need. 02:34:17.350 --> 02:34:19.810 But I don't wanna be the board that finally caved in, 02:34:19.810 --> 02:34:23.360 when so many other boards were strong enough to say no. 02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:25.110 And so I'm asking you, 02:34:25.110 --> 02:34:28.383 if you want to help the people Stop 6, 02:34:29.490 --> 02:34:31.800 this is not the answer. 02:34:31.800 --> 02:34:33.260 And to say, "Well, we'll negotiate. 02:34:33.260 --> 02:34:35.990 We'll allow this charter to open." 02:34:35.990 --> 02:34:37.640 If you just keep it at Stop 6 02:34:37.640 --> 02:34:40.160 and keep it out of the rural communities around it." 02:34:40.160 --> 02:34:43.033 That's telling me you don't really believe in that charter. 02:34:43.870 --> 02:34:45.360 But you believe in it enough 02:34:45.360 --> 02:34:48.410 to put it in a community that hurts. 02:34:48.410 --> 02:34:52.240 And to say, "Well, when they fail, you know, oh, well." 02:34:52.240 --> 02:34:54.560 When they fail, that means those children 02:34:54.560 --> 02:34:56.860 have been in a failing school. 02:34:56.860 --> 02:34:58.630 And now you have the neighborhood school 02:34:58.630 --> 02:34:59.793 that has to figure out, 02:35:00.830 --> 02:35:03.380 "How do we get these students back to that grade level?" 02:35:03.380 --> 02:35:06.580 So to say, "Just let them open up and just let them fail," 02:35:06.580 --> 02:35:10.690 that means you're letting that community fail even more. 02:35:10.690 --> 02:35:11.893 So it's not about the community. 02:35:11.893 --> 02:35:15.063 It's not about the people who were up here asking for hope. 02:35:16.520 --> 02:35:19.613 And what I've done. I reached out to Fort Worth ISD as well. 02:35:20.700 --> 02:35:23.223 We heard people say there were no family supports. 02:35:24.588 --> 02:35:27.080 There're family supports, bilingual supports, jobs supports. 02:35:27.080 --> 02:35:29.062 There are a lot of things popping into the school. 02:35:29.062 --> 02:35:32.060 But when a kid has to go to school hungry, they can't learn. 02:35:32.060 --> 02:35:33.800 So it's a lot about the environment 02:35:33.800 --> 02:35:36.453 other than Fort Worth ISD. 02:35:37.770 --> 02:35:41.180 So I'm asking you not to allow this to happen. 02:35:41.180 --> 02:35:45.230 Because we know it's gonna be one school in Stop 6. 02:35:45.230 --> 02:35:48.600 But then it's gonna be schools all around Texas. 02:35:48.600 --> 02:35:50.540 And they don't know those communities. 02:35:50.540 --> 02:35:53.070 And we all know that's what's gonna happen. 02:35:53.070 --> 02:35:54.923 And that is gonna be on us. 02:35:56.170 --> 02:35:58.530 So I am asking you to vote your conscience, 02:35:58.530 --> 02:36:01.120 but I'm asking you to think about all of those people who 02:36:01.120 --> 02:36:03.320 did come up and say they needed hope. 02:36:03.320 --> 02:36:05.840 The hope that Fort Worth ISD is trying to give, 02:36:05.840 --> 02:36:08.920 the hope that Uplift is trying to give. 02:36:08.920 --> 02:36:12.780 Dumping more and more lackluster schools in that community, 02:36:12.780 --> 02:36:14.060 is not going to solve the problem. 02:36:14.060 --> 02:36:15.563 It's gonna make it worse. 02:36:16.460 --> 02:36:19.833 So if you care for them, you'll say no to Rocketship. 02:36:20.690 --> 02:36:21.523 Thank you. 02:36:27.723 --> 02:36:29.483 Bell-Metereau 02:36:29.483 --> 02:36:32.143 I want to thank member Davis for her statement. 02:36:32.143 --> 02:36:36.830 The experience of voting against Rocketship, 02:36:36.830 --> 02:36:40.190 given all of the people who were here in support, 02:36:40.190 --> 02:36:42.650 truly broke my heart. 02:36:42.650 --> 02:36:46.780 And the thing that was even more moving to me, 02:36:46.780 --> 02:36:50.440 was that after the vote, they were out there 02:36:50.440 --> 02:36:55.217 and they accepted me and hugged me and said that 02:36:56.460 --> 02:36:58.670 Rocketship would work and that they wanted 02:36:58.670 --> 02:36:59.970 me to come up and see it. 02:36:59.970 --> 02:37:02.487 And I said, "I will come and visit you." 02:37:03.380 --> 02:37:08.380 They did not get mad at me for voting against Rocketship. 02:37:08.870 --> 02:37:13.870 But I had done research on Rocketship for hours and hours. 02:37:16.240 --> 02:37:19.070 And my discoveries were shocking. 02:37:19.070 --> 02:37:20.733 I mean, truly shocking. 02:37:21.950 --> 02:37:24.450 There were percentages of students 02:37:24.450 --> 02:37:27.640 who had urinary tract infections, 02:37:27.640 --> 02:37:31.100 from a regime that made the pupils stay in 02:37:31.100 --> 02:37:34.680 and work on those tests to do well on the tests. 02:37:34.680 --> 02:37:37.860 So any evidence of improvement that they had, 02:37:37.860 --> 02:37:41.350 was really the result of forcing kids to stay 02:37:41.350 --> 02:37:44.210 there until they got the tests right. 02:37:44.210 --> 02:37:47.540 And there were so many complaints. 02:37:47.540 --> 02:37:52.540 I mean, member Perez has given us all of the statistics 02:37:53.890 --> 02:37:56.360 that you could possibly need to know, 02:37:56.360 --> 02:38:00.320 that this is a company that will do their very best 02:38:00.320 --> 02:38:02.490 to make it look good in the beginning, 02:38:02.490 --> 02:38:07.310 and then just use methods that are not good education, 02:38:07.310 --> 02:38:11.253 not ethical, to get their foot in the door. 02:38:12.497 --> 02:38:15.013 And I also plead with you, 02:38:15.013 --> 02:38:18.330 you can take my word for it if you want, 02:38:18.330 --> 02:38:20.592 from the research that I've done, 02:38:20.592 --> 02:38:25.592 you can take the word of member Davis, Perez, 02:38:28.270 --> 02:38:32.410 or you can have that emotion of thinking 02:38:32.410 --> 02:38:35.040 all of those people there were so enthusiastic. 02:38:35.040 --> 02:38:37.023 They want hope so much. 02:38:38.280 --> 02:38:40.640 But I think this is a place where 02:38:40.640 --> 02:38:43.860 we need to use our rational minds, 02:38:43.860 --> 02:38:48.320 the data that we have, to make the right choice. 02:38:48.320 --> 02:38:52.700 And this is a choice that will go out into the future, 02:38:52.700 --> 02:38:55.373 as more of these schools open up. 02:38:56.350 --> 02:39:01.350 And it will damage our public education system 02:39:01.360 --> 02:39:02.503 and our students. 02:39:08.088 --> 02:39:09.837 Well, first of all, I just wanna say, 02:39:09.837 --> 02:39:14.020 and I would just remind people that core to 02:39:14.020 --> 02:39:16.910 public education in Texas and what's been core to 02:39:16.910 --> 02:39:19.630 public education in Texas always, 02:39:19.630 --> 02:39:23.800 is that education is a parental responsibility. 02:39:23.800 --> 02:39:25.840 That was actually the underlying idea behind 02:39:25.840 --> 02:39:28.380 Article VII of the constitution, 02:39:28.380 --> 02:39:31.370 as it was fashioned and debated in 1875. 02:39:33.549 --> 02:39:37.610 I would remind people, and I understand, 02:39:37.610 --> 02:39:39.950 and I'm always a little hesitant, 02:39:39.950 --> 02:39:41.923 when we talk about failing schools. 02:39:43.070 --> 02:39:45.790 My daughter-in-law taught 02:39:45.790 --> 02:39:48.683 in what was termed a failing school. 02:39:50.135 --> 02:39:54.210 And the numbers were shocking. 02:39:54.210 --> 02:39:56.580 But I will tell you that I believe that the last year 02:39:56.580 --> 02:39:58.888 that she taught on that campus, 02:39:58.888 --> 02:40:00.003 there were five children murdered, 02:40:01.034 --> 02:40:02.590 off of that campus during the course of that year. 02:40:02.590 --> 02:40:04.777 And it's really not a failing school, 02:40:04.777 --> 02:40:09.777 it is a community in crisis around that school, 02:40:10.090 --> 02:40:13.200 that certainly creates that. 02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:15.126 And I understand that. 02:40:15.126 --> 02:40:17.790 But when you look at the schools and in Stop 6, 02:40:17.790 --> 02:40:20.563 we also understand that the numbers are not good. 02:40:21.440 --> 02:40:26.440 And to say that the community has not labored for years 02:40:27.900 --> 02:40:30.160 to try to address those issues 02:40:30.160 --> 02:40:33.260 in those schools would be wrong. 02:40:33.260 --> 02:40:36.526 These things have been going on for a long time. 02:40:36.526 --> 02:40:41.320 And I think that we owe children our best shot. 02:40:41.320 --> 02:40:43.830 And if somebody else can come in and give it a shot, 02:40:43.830 --> 02:40:46.080 and give these kids a chance, 02:40:46.080 --> 02:40:48.000 and it's very obvious that the parents 02:40:48.000 --> 02:40:50.930 of this community want that school. 02:40:50.930 --> 02:40:53.693 And who are we to deny that? 02:40:55.240 --> 02:40:56.980 There was a lot of conversation 02:40:56.980 --> 02:41:01.980 about the autonomy of the board. 02:41:04.364 --> 02:41:07.483 And whether or not the charter operator, 02:41:08.620 --> 02:41:09.900 based in California would be 02:41:09.900 --> 02:41:14.100 micromanaging every move that that made, 02:41:14.100 --> 02:41:16.330 and obviously there were some documentation 02:41:16.330 --> 02:41:18.180 that what seemed to imply that. 02:41:18.180 --> 02:41:20.040 I would remind the board, 02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:22.940 such an arrangement would be illegal. 02:41:22.940 --> 02:41:26.650 Would not be legal, not be consistent with law. 02:41:26.650 --> 02:41:29.590 And so that would not in fact be the case. 02:41:29.590 --> 02:41:32.890 And then the question is there were seven conditions 02:41:32.890 --> 02:41:37.890 that were presented that would be added to that. 02:41:39.341 --> 02:41:40.998 And the question came up and said, 02:41:40.998 --> 02:41:42.655 "Well will the CMO agree with that?" 02:41:42.655 --> 02:41:44.120 Well, I talked to the CMO. 02:41:44.120 --> 02:41:47.850 I had a conversation directly with Preston Smith, 02:41:47.850 --> 02:41:49.600 the CEO of Rocketship, 02:41:49.600 --> 02:41:53.680 and I have a letter here that they do agree with that, 02:41:53.680 --> 02:41:55.570 and they understand that is the law, 02:41:55.570 --> 02:42:00.570 and they do not intend to micromanage every move that makes 02:42:00.576 --> 02:42:03.400 but that local board, 02:42:03.400 --> 02:42:05.500 will in fact be in control of that school. 02:42:06.450 --> 02:42:10.840 I think that the members of this community, 02:42:10.840 --> 02:42:13.170 this is something that they want for their children, 02:42:13.170 --> 02:42:16.870 and I think that it would be egregious 02:42:16.870 --> 02:42:19.361 for this board to stand in their way. 02:42:19.361 --> 02:42:22.623 And I intend to continue to support this application. 02:42:24.860 --> 02:42:26.462 Okay members, 02:42:26.462 --> 02:42:28.699 is there any further discussion on this item. 02:42:28.699 --> 02:42:29.860 Ms. Perez. 02:42:29.860 --> 02:42:31.924 I would like to point out 02:42:31.924 --> 02:42:33.803 that the majority of the testifiers 02:42:33.803 --> 02:42:36.273 in support of Rocketship were not parents that 02:42:36.273 --> 02:42:38.910 will be sending their children to that school. 02:42:38.910 --> 02:42:40.790 So I think if we're going to have a discussion, 02:42:40.790 --> 02:42:43.283 at least let's have an honest discussion. 02:42:44.140 --> 02:42:44.973 Number two, 02:42:44.973 --> 02:42:47.430 some documents that were shared with us last night, 02:42:47.430 --> 02:42:50.800 point out that despite the fact that we keep hearing 02:42:50.800 --> 02:42:52.763 that the CMO is not in charge, 02:42:53.850 --> 02:42:58.850 Rocketship Corporate Board* documents dated February 24th, 02:43:00.410 --> 02:43:03.513 show that the land is already purchased 02:43:03.513 --> 02:43:05.800 and construction will begin July 1st, 02:43:05.800 --> 02:43:10.800 despite the quizzing for quite some time from member Cortez. 02:43:12.220 --> 02:43:14.720 At no time were they honest with us. 02:43:14.720 --> 02:43:17.750 At no time were they transparent at the podium 02:43:17.750 --> 02:43:21.110 for as long as they were questioned. 02:43:21.110 --> 02:43:23.603 But construction is already scheduled to begin. 02:43:25.250 --> 02:43:29.743 I think that when people show you who they are, 02:43:30.980 --> 02:43:32.880 we should believe them the first time. 02:43:34.090 --> 02:43:35.293 This is the fourth time. 02:43:37.810 --> 02:43:42.233 I think it behooves us not to allow ourselves to be fooled. 02:43:49.950 --> 02:43:50.783 Dr. Johnson. 02:43:54.780 --> 02:43:56.070 I live in a part of Texas 02:43:56.070 --> 02:43:59.723 that charter schools have little impact on. 02:44:00.900 --> 02:44:02.623 But well saying that, 02:44:02.623 --> 02:44:06.500 I also hate the duplication of costs at any time, 02:44:06.500 --> 02:44:08.710 because I want us to be efficient. 02:44:08.710 --> 02:44:10.910 And I think we all need to be good stewards. 02:44:12.320 --> 02:44:15.390 And I will tell you that after listening 02:44:15.390 --> 02:44:20.260 to all the interviews that I did back in May, 02:44:20.260 --> 02:44:25.260 I wasn't prepared to cast their vote in favor of Rocketship. 02:44:27.850 --> 02:44:30.430 But after I heard more testimony, 02:44:30.430 --> 02:44:34.130 and we played a little bit of chess with them I think, 02:44:34.130 --> 02:44:36.330 in the time that we were visiting with them, 02:44:37.859 --> 02:44:39.609 we got them to agree. 02:44:39.609 --> 02:44:40.990 And I think the Commissioner 02:44:40.990 --> 02:44:43.420 will put those in the contingencies. 02:44:43.420 --> 02:44:45.530 I think that originally they asked for ten, 02:44:45.530 --> 02:44:47.460 then they came down to four. 02:44:47.460 --> 02:44:49.890 We whittled it down to two. 02:44:49.890 --> 02:44:53.490 And you correct me if I'm wrong in things I'm saying here. 02:44:53.490 --> 02:44:58.460 So we have them down to, they will start with two schools. 02:44:58.460 --> 02:45:01.992 We also have a contingency that they will not expand. 02:45:01.992 --> 02:45:05.080 And I think a lot of us were nervous 02:45:05.080 --> 02:45:08.500 about Rocketship expanding quickly. 02:45:08.500 --> 02:45:09.820 That's a model of most of them. 02:45:09.820 --> 02:45:12.440 They want to get as many in operation. 02:45:12.440 --> 02:45:14.900 'Cause that's the way they operate. 02:45:14.900 --> 02:45:17.330 But we do have a contingency that 02:45:17.330 --> 02:45:19.530 I think the Commissioner will enforce. 02:45:19.530 --> 02:45:23.770 And he has that option to. He told me he would enforce that. 02:45:23.770 --> 02:45:27.950 That they have to have a B or better 02:45:27.950 --> 02:45:31.030 on two campuses before they can expand. 02:45:31.030 --> 02:45:34.610 And to me, if they can do that, 02:45:34.610 --> 02:45:37.360 they may be a model that we want to look at. 02:45:37.360 --> 02:45:39.940 They're in a tough area, and they're telling us they're 02:45:39.940 --> 02:45:43.418 going to perform in those two schools at a B level, 02:45:43.418 --> 02:45:46.710 that has swayed my vote. 02:45:46.710 --> 02:45:49.943 If they can do that, I'll tip my hat to them. 02:45:53.185 --> 02:45:54.560 Well, we're gonna go around each one. 02:45:54.560 --> 02:45:58.809 And we're calling Ms. Pérez-Díaz. So, Ms. Pérez-Díaz 02:45:58.809 --> 02:46:03.809 care about the community, if I'm in favor of this charter, 02:46:09.396 --> 02:46:13.143 is quite misguided. And in fact, I speak in support of 02:46:13.143 --> 02:46:18.143 the agency that I think has been taken time and again* 02:46:21.990 --> 02:46:26.990 It is a difficult vote for me* I'll be very honest. 02:46:27.294 --> 02:46:30.910 I'm one of them board members that sat through each 02:46:30.910 --> 02:46:34.200 iteration of this applicant's attempt. 02:46:34.200 --> 02:46:37.924 And coming in, I've seen progress each time. 02:46:37.924 --> 02:46:41.190 That's not to say that this charter is perfect. 02:46:41.190 --> 02:46:42.023 No school is. 02:46:42.023 --> 02:46:44.910 And that includes traditional public school districts. 02:46:44.910 --> 02:46:48.320 But it taking into account the fact that I feel 02:46:48.320 --> 02:46:50.750 as though these families had come in. 02:46:50.750 --> 02:46:55.750 We had parents directly tell us that they were offended by 02:46:55.950 --> 02:46:58.890 being told that they were manipulated. 02:46:58.890 --> 02:47:02.053 And that they were coming. 02:47:03.170 --> 02:47:05.060 That takes away agency* from our families, 02:47:05.060 --> 02:47:06.575 which is something that 02:47:06.575 --> 02:47:08.610 I think has historically and systematically 02:47:08.610 --> 02:47:11.210 been done to families who are 02:47:11.210 --> 02:47:13.330 in under-resourced communities. 02:47:13.330 --> 02:47:17.160 I think that for that reason, 02:47:17.160 --> 02:47:20.270 and for the reasons I spoke on a few days ago, 02:47:20.270 --> 02:47:23.780 we don't have time to waste on reruns* and really understand 02:47:23.780 --> 02:47:27.093 that Fort Worth ISD is making some changes. 02:47:27.093 --> 02:47:29.950 Rocketship has tried four years in a row. 02:47:29.950 --> 02:47:32.610 And I'm wondering what progress has been made to support 02:47:32.610 --> 02:47:35.143 these families in the last four years. 02:47:35.143 --> 02:47:40.143 Or what hasn't been done that's speaking to the needs 02:47:40.590 --> 02:47:41.880 that they're asking for right now. 02:47:41.880 --> 02:47:44.593 So, I'm not *. I haven't been manipulated either. 02:47:44.593 --> 02:47:45.426 For me what's important 02:47:45.426 --> 02:47:50.100 is the families who are here for a reason* 02:47:50.100 --> 02:47:55.100 when we* don't feel that they have them. 02:47:58.089 --> 02:48:01.492 And I think in order for me to vote* 02:48:01.492 --> 02:48:05.009 I have to listen to families. 02:48:05.009 --> 02:48:08.210 As a young mother myself, 02:48:08.210 --> 02:48:09.610 I know it's important for families 02:48:09.610 --> 02:48:11.310 to be able to make choices. 02:48:11.310 --> 02:48:13.330 And I believe in public school. 02:48:13.330 --> 02:48:15.867 I absolutely believe in public school. 02:48:15.867 --> 02:48:18.260 And I believe in public school options, 02:48:18.260 --> 02:48:22.754 because if a family doesn't feel like they're being heard,* 02:48:22.754 --> 02:48:25.260 it's their responsibility 02:48:25.260 --> 02:48:27.773 to make those decisions for their children. 02:48:29.198 --> 02:48:30.630 And who am I to say no, 02:48:30.630 --> 02:48:33.583 when they're asking to be heard* over and over again. 02:48:36.525 --> 02:48:39.190 So for us to go to the left to the elected officials, 02:48:39.190 --> 02:48:41.270 and ask them how they felt 02:48:41.270 --> 02:48:42.850 their communities were being served, 02:48:42.850 --> 02:48:47.550 I think there's a gap in not going directly to the families. 02:48:47.550 --> 02:48:50.490 If that hasn't happened, maybe we need to consider 02:48:50.490 --> 02:48:53.722 talking directly to those families that came and testified 02:48:53.722 --> 02:48:55.677 as to what their needs are, 02:48:55.677 --> 02:48:57.450 and what their understanding is. 02:48:57.450 --> 02:49:01.179 Because if there are options, and we don't know about them, 02:49:01.179 --> 02:49:02.560 then maybe there's some lack of communication happening. 02:49:02.560 --> 02:49:06.670 And that's a learning opportunity 02:49:08.096 --> 02:49:08.960 for the school district as well. 02:49:08.960 --> 02:49:10.810 But again, I don't think that 02:49:10.810 --> 02:49:13.651 because there's a lack of communication, 02:49:13.651 --> 02:49:18.651 worries us with time on probation, where it may exist for. 02:49:20.320 --> 02:49:23.640 And so, I've voted up, 02:49:23.640 --> 02:49:25.540 and I've voted down on charter school. 02:49:27.053 --> 02:49:28.130 I am not about traditional versus charter. 02:49:28.130 --> 02:49:30.980 I'm about who's doing what for children, 02:49:30.980 --> 02:49:32.677 and who's willing to try. 02:49:34.828 --> 02:49:37.257 And for me that's, what's important in this vote. 02:49:37.257 --> 02:49:39.438 And so while it's a difficult vote, 02:49:39.438 --> 02:49:42.063 my my vote won't be changing on this. 02:49:45.650 --> 02:49:46.630 Are there any other members 02:49:46.630 --> 02:49:48.530 who haven't spoken for the first time? 02:49:51.540 --> 02:49:53.510 Any other members who would like to speak? 02:49:53.510 --> 02:49:54.870 Ms. Davis? 02:49:54.870 --> 02:49:58.090 I just have a question about the contingency. 02:49:58.090 --> 02:50:00.380 I wanna know if it's legally binding, 02:50:00.380 --> 02:50:03.600 and I find it kind of funny for the member to say that, 02:50:03.600 --> 02:50:06.710 when she voted down a school in her own area, 02:50:06.710 --> 02:50:08.310 that had a lot of community support. 02:50:08.310 --> 02:50:12.588 So I'm kind of I'm on there with that one. 02:50:12.588 --> 02:50:14.410 'Cause it was the same thing and she said, no. 02:50:14.410 --> 02:50:18.245 But I do wanna know how legally binding is this 02:50:18.245 --> 02:50:22.000 agreement that it will only be two schools? 02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:25.630 And again, why are we limiting them to the school 02:50:25.630 --> 02:50:26.640 in the black neighborhood? 02:50:26.640 --> 02:50:27.950 If it's such a great school, 02:50:27.950 --> 02:50:30.800 why don't we make sure that all students have access, 02:50:30.800 --> 02:50:33.580 including the white schools that are in the rural areas. 02:50:33.580 --> 02:50:34.870 So why do we wanna limit it 02:50:34.870 --> 02:50:36.620 to this one little black neighborhood, 02:50:36.620 --> 02:50:39.330 if it's such a great school that everybody believes in? 02:50:39.330 --> 02:50:41.912 I'm not sure why we wouldn't want it 02:50:41.912 --> 02:50:44.130 in my neighborhood district as well. 02:50:44.130 --> 02:50:45.530 So I'll take a stab at the first point 02:50:45.530 --> 02:50:47.220 that I can call on legal counsel. 02:50:47.220 --> 02:50:51.730 The charter is not approved by the agency 02:50:51.730 --> 02:50:53.060 until all the contingencies. 02:50:53.060 --> 02:50:56.320 Now we're talking about one type of contingency here. 02:50:56.320 --> 02:51:01.320 As most of us were on the capacity interviews, 02:51:01.480 --> 02:51:03.168 and there's oftentimes like a 501 C3 02:51:03.168 --> 02:51:05.820 would have something maybe that was relevant 02:51:05.820 --> 02:51:08.620 to another entity that they had. 02:51:08.620 --> 02:51:09.790 And the contingency with that board 02:51:09.790 --> 02:51:14.100 would actually have to change their 501 C3. 02:51:14.100 --> 02:51:16.500 And that would be a contingency for example. 02:51:16.500 --> 02:51:18.870 And if that is not done by that board, 02:51:18.870 --> 02:51:21.680 then the applicant does not receive the charter 02:51:22.940 --> 02:51:23.773 from the agency. 02:51:23.773 --> 02:51:25.880 So in the same process, 02:51:25.880 --> 02:51:30.880 this would be what is documented by the agency at the 02:51:32.700 --> 02:51:35.498 point of the TEA granting the charter, 02:51:35.498 --> 02:51:37.900 these would be in effect. 02:51:37.900 --> 02:51:39.123 Did I get that right? 02:51:42.900 --> 02:51:44.490 So I'll just to be clear. 02:51:44.490 --> 02:51:47.810 So they would have to stick with just two campuses, 02:51:47.810 --> 02:51:50.720 no more than that, until both of those campuses, 02:51:50.720 --> 02:51:51.697 are an A or B. 02:51:51.697 --> 02:51:53.487 And and I just wanna end thus,* 02:51:54.871 --> 02:51:57.017 what's on paper that has to happen. 02:51:57.017 --> 02:51:58.759 And there's no way to waive that, 02:51:58.759 --> 02:51:59.850 and just go around it anyway. 02:51:59.850 --> 02:52:03.950 I wanna make sure how strict we are to sticking with that. 02:52:03.950 --> 02:52:07.270 If that's what we gonna say that we're going to believe. 02:52:07.270 --> 02:52:09.050 Well, I mean, just to be clear, 02:52:09.050 --> 02:52:11.680 the contingencies are under 02:52:11.680 --> 02:52:13.180 the authority of the Commissioner, 02:52:13.180 --> 02:52:16.690 to determine whether that they go through. 02:52:16.690 --> 02:52:20.135 They're not a binding contract with this body. 02:52:20.135 --> 02:52:25.135 However, you have 90 days from June 1st 02:52:28.780 --> 02:52:31.170 to decide whether or not to veto a charter. 02:52:31.170 --> 02:52:36.170 So, the agency will begin after this meeting, 02:52:36.310 --> 02:52:40.170 to be going through the contingencies and moving 02:52:40.170 --> 02:52:43.290 forward with the charters that you have voted 02:52:43.290 --> 02:52:45.040 to take no action on. 02:52:45.040 --> 02:52:48.083 And that is a process that generally is two months, 02:52:49.580 --> 02:52:52.810 which bumps up right against your 90-day deadline. 02:52:52.810 --> 02:52:54.750 I think it goes a few days over. So, if... 02:52:54.750 --> 02:52:56.910 So, this is like a gentleman's handshake. 02:52:56.910 --> 02:52:59.610 Not really like a legally binding something 02:52:59.610 --> 02:53:01.043 that they have to stick to. 02:53:01.043 --> 02:53:03.770 You have been made aware of what the Commissioner 02:53:03.770 --> 02:53:07.010 has before him to do contingencies, 02:53:07.010 --> 02:53:09.270 which he will move forward with unless 02:53:09.270 --> 02:53:14.270 you veto a charter applicant. 02:53:14.850 --> 02:53:18.430 However, that is the Commissioner's sole authority. 02:53:18.430 --> 02:53:22.853 So, there is no like a legally binding arrangement. 02:53:23.860 --> 02:53:25.300 I'll point out to you, Ms. Davis, 02:53:25.300 --> 02:53:27.260 this conversation has come up and just* different 02:53:27.260 --> 02:53:30.660 is what if the Commissioner did not stick 02:53:30.660 --> 02:53:32.680 to what he has told us? 02:53:32.680 --> 02:53:34.910 Essentially to your question. Essentially if we were 02:53:34.910 --> 02:53:36.987 double-crossed or tricked into that. 02:53:36.987 --> 02:53:38.470 And I think what Vaughn is saying, 02:53:38.470 --> 02:53:42.240 is we still have 90 days to come back and take action. 02:53:42.240 --> 02:53:44.490 And I think that would be definitely considered 02:53:44.490 --> 02:53:46.225 an appropriate action. 02:53:46.225 --> 02:53:47.750 If this board was such as that, 02:53:47.750 --> 02:53:49.770 tricked or double-crossed which I don't anticipate. 02:53:49.770 --> 02:53:52.244 Right. But we wouldn't know that in 90 days. 02:53:52.244 --> 02:53:54.640 We only know the one that they fought* on Berry Street*, 02:53:54.640 --> 02:53:56.080 but we wouldn't know in 90 days, 02:53:56.080 --> 02:53:58.715 if they went on and decided to do 02:53:58.715 --> 02:53:59.840 what they wanted to do anyway. 02:53:59.840 --> 02:54:02.447 So, then we would be voting on this, thinking that, 02:54:02.447 --> 02:54:03.830 "Hey, this could happen." 02:54:03.830 --> 02:54:07.320 Then the Commissioner could change his mind in 91 days, 02:54:07.320 --> 02:54:10.721 and now we have nothing we can do after that. 02:54:10.721 --> 02:54:12.700 I'm gonna call on Dr. Johnson because 02:54:12.700 --> 02:54:14.750 I think you're about to address that one. 02:54:17.540 --> 02:54:20.130 Member Davis. I visited with Commissioner 02:54:20.130 --> 02:54:21.503 about that very thing. 02:54:22.610 --> 02:54:26.500 I can't speak for him, but our conversation led me to 02:54:26.500 --> 02:54:29.187 firmly believe that he would not give waivers 02:54:29.187 --> 02:54:32.740 until those contingencies were met. 02:54:32.740 --> 02:54:34.200 So, I'm just telling you. 02:54:34.200 --> 02:54:36.680 Jo that's cute. But he gives waivers like candy. 02:54:36.680 --> 02:54:38.310 So, I can't say I can believe it. 02:54:38.310 --> 02:54:40.440 All I can say is he led me to believe 02:54:40.440 --> 02:54:42.720 that wasn't his intent. 02:54:42.720 --> 02:54:43.880 Alexa,* I'm not gonna speak for him, 02:54:43.880 --> 02:54:46.463 but that's my understanding of our conversation. 02:54:47.530 --> 02:54:50.950 Is there anyone here who has not spoken for a second time? 02:54:50.950 --> 02:54:51.853 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 02:54:53.691 --> 02:54:58.691 Again, I would return to the history 02:54:58.890 --> 02:55:01.770 of this school in California. 02:55:01.770 --> 02:55:06.770 And I admire our colleague for getting 02:55:10.130 --> 02:55:12.680 in touch with the CMO and the CMO assuring him 02:55:12.680 --> 02:55:16.560 that they would have no control over Texas, 02:55:16.560 --> 02:55:21.560 but I would not believe the CMO of California Rocketship. 02:55:23.240 --> 02:55:26.383 The other point I would like to emphasize, 02:55:26.383 --> 02:55:29.170 and this is for member Johnson. 02:55:29.170 --> 02:55:33.060 They may well be able to get good results 02:55:33.060 --> 02:55:36.920 and turn into a B, but the methods that they use for 02:55:36.920 --> 02:55:39.820 that include coercion of the children, 02:55:39.820 --> 02:55:44.800 and then dropping children from the schools, 02:55:44.800 --> 02:55:46.950 if they don't perform well. 02:55:46.950 --> 02:55:51.300 So it's not as if these results constitute 02:55:51.300 --> 02:55:54.290 real education or real achievement, 02:55:54.290 --> 02:55:58.220 but it's good performance to achieve a result. 02:55:58.220 --> 02:56:01.160 And also, they are very good 02:56:01.160 --> 02:56:05.630 at PR that gets people very enthusiastic. 02:56:05.630 --> 02:56:09.970 And people do not ever want to turn against somebody 02:56:09.970 --> 02:56:13.970 that they've developed loyalty for. 02:56:13.970 --> 02:56:18.970 So, I would still maintain that this is not a good bet. 02:56:20.212 --> 02:56:23.073 It's a risk for Texas. 02:56:24.120 --> 02:56:26.820 Three members who have not spoken for a second time. 02:56:27.734 --> 02:56:30.034 We'll take a brief pause and make sure we have 02:56:30.969 --> 02:56:32.947 all our members online. 02:56:32.947 --> 02:56:33.872 Okay. 02:56:33.872 --> 02:56:36.720 So, I'm going to now call on Ms. Little. 02:56:40.610 --> 02:56:42.073 I'm sorry. You did? 02:56:43.611 --> 02:56:44.740 It's just been so long. 02:56:46.002 --> 02:56:47.399 It has been a while. 02:56:47.399 --> 02:56:48.232 I'll call on Ms. Martinez to call the roll. 02:56:50.610 --> 02:56:51.720 Let me clarify that. 02:56:53.729 --> 02:56:55.312 Yes clarify that. 02:56:57.012 --> 02:56:59.773 So this will be opposite the last couple. 02:56:59.773 --> 02:57:00.860 So, the recommendation from the Committee of the Full Board, 02:57:00.860 --> 02:57:02.850 was to take no action. 02:57:02.850 --> 02:57:05.260 Which would allow this charter 02:57:05.260 --> 02:57:07.610 to move forward in the process. 02:57:07.610 --> 02:57:10.698 So, in clarification, a yes vote is to allow 02:57:10.698 --> 02:57:14.993 Rocketship Public Schools to be approved. 02:57:16.160 --> 02:57:16.993 Mr. Cortez. 02:57:17.890 --> 02:57:19.620 And just have something that's kind of bugging me. 02:57:19.620 --> 02:57:20.920 I just want clarification. 02:57:24.560 --> 02:57:27.684 Dr. Johnson, you seek out Morath or did he seek you out? 02:57:27.684 --> 02:57:30.209 He called me. 02:57:30.209 --> 02:57:31.943 He called you? 02:57:31.943 --> 02:57:33.690 A Commissioner is not allowed 02:57:33.690 --> 02:57:36.240 to lobby on behalf of any of these charters. 02:57:36.240 --> 02:57:37.950 No, I think he was asking for clarification*. 02:57:37.950 --> 02:57:39.413 He didn't call me. 02:57:41.401 --> 02:57:42.433 He didn't call me. I voted against it. 02:57:45.433 --> 02:57:47.123 I'm just saying. I just have to put that out there. 02:57:48.003 --> 02:57:50.291 I mean when he stated it, 02:57:50.291 --> 02:57:51.930 I'm not sure if I heard what I heard correctly 02:57:51.930 --> 02:57:54.910 but Mr. Chair, 02:57:54.910 --> 02:57:58.463 General Counsel is this appropriate? 02:57:59.370 --> 02:58:00.203 Mr. Cortez 02:58:00.203 --> 02:58:03.150 For the behavior of our Commissioner to reach out 02:58:03.150 --> 02:58:06.630 to a member of this body prior to a vote?. 02:58:06.630 --> 02:58:08.800 Most General Counsel tells me different. 02:58:08.800 --> 02:58:11.000 We have called for the vote. 02:58:11.000 --> 02:58:13.840 I want legal clarification before this vote happens 02:58:13.840 --> 02:58:18.150 because if I understood that correctly, 02:58:18.150 --> 02:58:20.943 I at least want some interpretation from Vaughn. 02:58:24.380 --> 02:58:26.705 Mr Cortez. We have called for the vote. 02:58:26.705 --> 02:58:27.538 We had time for discussion. 02:58:27.538 --> 02:58:30.300 We went around the room each time, one time. 02:58:30.300 --> 02:58:32.300 We had others go a second time. 02:58:32.300 --> 02:58:34.810 You had the option to discuss this. 02:58:34.810 --> 02:58:36.760 Your comment was "Any further discussion." 02:58:36.760 --> 02:58:39.110 And I said, "Mr. Chair", and you recognized me. 02:58:40.222 --> 02:58:41.643 This is my discussion. Now I'm asking the question. 02:58:42.690 --> 02:58:45.170 After that, I called on Ms. Martinez to call the roll. 02:58:45.170 --> 02:58:47.480 So that's calling for the vote. 02:58:47.480 --> 02:58:49.270 So, you don't wanna have this information 02:58:49.270 --> 02:58:51.200 put out on record. Is what you're saying? 02:58:51.200 --> 02:58:53.010 I have no problem with the information being 02:58:53.010 --> 02:58:55.780 put out by record, but by rule and procedure 02:58:55.780 --> 02:58:58.230 we have called for the vote. 02:58:58.230 --> 02:59:03.230 Okay. So, Madam parliamentarian, how do we proceed? 02:59:03.330 --> 02:59:06.470 If I would like to get some kind of guidance from 02:59:06.470 --> 02:59:10.623 counsel on this, before we do this roll call vote. 02:59:13.300 --> 02:59:15.780 I believe your best option forward would be a 02:59:15.780 --> 02:59:18.160 motion to suspend the rules because the rules 02:59:18.160 --> 02:59:21.340 say that once a vote has begun, it cannot be stopped. 02:59:21.340 --> 02:59:23.750 So, you are now asking to suspend the rules. 02:59:23.750 --> 02:59:26.369 That would be undebatable unamendable, 02:59:26.369 --> 02:59:28.530 and would require two thirds vote. 02:59:28.530 --> 02:59:30.831 That would be my I request. 02:59:30.831 --> 02:59:32.270 Just to get this information on record. 02:59:32.270 --> 02:59:33.836 I have a question based on what she said. 02:59:33.836 --> 02:59:36.298 Ms. Davis. Hold on just a second. 02:59:36.298 --> 02:59:39.517 We have a motion to suspend the rules. 02:59:39.517 --> 02:59:44.517 It does require a second. It is not debatable. 02:59:45.380 --> 02:59:47.176 And it's not ammendable. 02:59:47.176 --> 02:59:48.553 I have Parliamentary inquiry based on that though, 02:59:51.428 --> 02:59:52.303 before we vote. 02:59:52.303 --> 02:59:54.405 Okay. What's your parliamentary inquiry? 02:59:54.405 --> 02:59:56.367 You mentioned that the vote started, 02:59:56.367 --> 02:59:57.200 but what constitutes a vote starting because none of 02:59:58.874 --> 03:00:01.054 us have actually voted yet. 03:00:01.054 --> 03:00:04.887 So just him saying Monica, read the roll call. 03:00:06.072 --> 03:00:08.260 That means that the vote has technically started? 03:00:08.260 --> 03:00:09.530 Generally, once the chair says, 03:00:09.530 --> 03:00:10.674 "We're now going to a vote.". 03:00:10.674 --> 03:00:13.777 If you weren't voting by roll call would it been 03:00:13.777 --> 03:00:16.710 "Those in favor please raise your hand." 03:00:16.710 --> 03:00:19.733 Instead he called on Ms. Martinez. 03:00:19.733 --> 03:00:23.960 Yes. At that point the voting has begun. 03:00:23.960 --> 03:00:27.450 But then he called on member Cortez first 03:00:27.450 --> 03:00:28.740 and then Ms. Martinez. 03:00:28.740 --> 03:00:30.435 So that's what I'm saying 03:00:30.435 --> 03:00:31.740 I'm trying to get clarity on how this goes. 03:00:31.740 --> 03:00:33.780 Because he said, "Any other comments?" 03:00:33.780 --> 03:00:35.880 That's when member Cortez raised his hand. 03:00:38.080 --> 03:00:39.790 No. I asked any other comments 03:00:39.790 --> 03:00:42.510 then I called in Ms. Martinez to call a roll, 03:00:42.510 --> 03:00:45.759 And then Mr. Cortez spoke up at that time. 03:00:45.759 --> 03:00:50.330 We had already started at that point in time, 03:00:50.330 --> 03:00:51.996 But I am recognizing Mr. Cortez's request 03:00:51.996 --> 03:00:53.544 to suspend the rules. 03:00:53.544 --> 03:00:56.129 It does require a second. Is there a second? 03:00:56.129 --> 03:00:57.761 Second. 03:00:57.761 --> 03:00:59.913 Okay. This motion is not debatable and is not amendable. 03:00:59.913 --> 03:01:02.123 So, what we will move to now is a vote to suspend the rules, 03:01:03.215 --> 03:01:04.900 to allow further debate and questions. 03:01:04.900 --> 03:01:07.780 So, what I would ask all those in favor of suspending the 03:01:08.856 --> 03:01:11.556 rules for further debate to show by raising your hand. 03:01:20.393 --> 03:01:21.936 Eight. 03:01:21.936 --> 03:01:23.805 Okay. We have eight in favor. 03:01:23.805 --> 03:01:25.030 Is that included the virtual. 03:01:25.030 --> 03:01:25.863 Okay. 03:01:28.071 --> 03:01:31.071 All those opposed, by the same sign. 03:01:31.910 --> 03:01:32.743 Five 03:01:33.697 --> 03:01:35.700 And I'll vote no also. So that's six. 03:01:35.700 --> 03:01:37.618 So that does not reach the threshold 03:01:37.618 --> 03:01:38.905 of a two thirds majority. 03:01:38.905 --> 03:01:40.867 So, the motion is defeated. 03:01:40.867 --> 03:01:42.436 Ms. Martinez, would you please call the roll. 03:01:42.436 --> 03:01:45.408 If I can understand that last 03:01:45.408 --> 03:01:46.548 Is this a parliamentary inquiry? 03:01:46.548 --> 03:01:49.225 Yeah, on the vote that just took place. 03:01:49.225 --> 03:01:50.959 Please state, "Parliamentary inquiry." 03:01:50.959 --> 03:01:53.163 Parliamentary inquiry. 03:01:53.163 --> 03:01:54.550 Yes, sir. 03:01:54.550 --> 03:01:55.600 Special. K. 03:01:55.600 --> 03:01:57.730 So, what I understand right now, 03:01:57.730 --> 03:02:01.312 is that in situations of a tie break, 03:02:01.312 --> 03:02:06.312 our Chair has the right to cast that vote. 03:02:06.740 --> 03:02:09.470 Sometimes the Chair is required or not required to vote. 03:02:09.470 --> 03:02:12.670 The Chair always has the right to vote. 03:02:12.670 --> 03:02:16.610 Usually he only votes when his vote will make a difference. 03:02:16.610 --> 03:02:18.710 In this particular instance he chose to vote, 03:02:18.710 --> 03:02:19.923 even though his vote did not make a difference. 03:02:19.923 --> 03:02:22.759 The threshold for two thirds vote is that there are 03:02:22.759 --> 03:02:26.014 twice as many in favor as there are opposed. 03:02:26.014 --> 03:02:29.417 So even without his vote 03:02:29.417 --> 03:02:31.084 there would not have been two thirds. 03:02:31.084 --> 03:02:32.203 Thank you. 03:02:32.203 --> 03:02:34.162 Parliamentary inquiry 03:02:34.162 --> 03:02:35.533 Ms. Martinez, please call the roll. 03:02:35.533 --> 03:02:38.311 I have a parliamentary inquiry. 03:02:38.311 --> 03:02:39.357 Parliamentary inquiry, Ms. Davis. 03:02:39.357 --> 03:02:42.025 If we go with the vote and we find that 03:02:42.025 --> 03:02:46.533 the Commissioner did violate something by reaching out, 03:02:48.961 --> 03:02:50.471 then what happens? 03:02:50.471 --> 03:02:51.671 Even though we've made a vote and 03:02:51.671 --> 03:02:53.144 he's violated something, what happens? 03:02:53.144 --> 03:02:55.143 That is not a parliamentary issue Ma'am. 03:02:56.860 --> 03:02:58.420 Ms. Martinez, please call the roll. 03:02:58.420 --> 03:03:00.863 Can you just restate what we're voting on 03:03:00.863 --> 03:03:02.092 because it's been so long? 03:03:02.092 --> 03:03:03.810 For clarification that is an order. 03:03:03.810 --> 03:03:05.010 Thank you, Dr. Robinson. 03:03:05.900 --> 03:03:09.019 So the Committee of the Full Board voted to 03:03:09.019 --> 03:03:13.582 take no action in committee which is to approve the charter. 03:03:13.582 --> 03:03:17.370 So right now a yes vote would be to affirm the 03:03:17.370 --> 03:03:19.110 vote of the Community of the Full Board. 03:03:19.110 --> 03:03:21.523 So a yes vote would be to approve the charter. 03:03:23.560 --> 03:03:24.660 Any questions on that? 03:03:25.680 --> 03:03:26.513 Ms. Martinez. 03:03:28.170 --> 03:03:30.020 Ms. Perez. 03:03:30.020 --> 03:03:30.853 No. 03:03:31.750 --> 03:03:33.130 Mr. Cortez. 03:03:33.130 --> 03:03:34.650 No. 03:03:34.650 --> 03:03:36.013 Ms. Pérez-Díaz. 03:03:36.013 --> 03:03:37.588 Yes. 03:03:37.588 --> 03:03:39.010 Mr. Allen. 03:03:39.010 --> 03:03:40.559 Yes. 03:03:40.559 --> 03:03:42.226 Dr. Bell-Metereau. 03:03:43.741 --> 03:03:44.574 No. 03:03:45.698 --> 03:03:47.206 Mr. Hickman. 03:03:47.206 --> 03:03:48.039 Yes. 03:03:49.431 --> 03:03:51.139 Dr. Robinson. 03:03:51.139 --> 03:03:51.972 No. 03:03:53.131 --> 03:03:54.311 Dr. Young. 03:03:54.311 --> 03:03:55.954 No. 03:03:55.954 --> 03:03:57.121 Mr. Maynard. 03:03:59.144 --> 03:03:59.977 Yes. 03:04:01.113 --> 03:04:02.124 Ms. Hardy. 03:04:02.124 --> 03:04:02.957 Yes. 03:04:04.287 --> 03:04:05.429 Mrs. Little. 03:04:05.429 --> 03:04:06.262 No. 03:04:07.603 --> 03:04:08.569 Ms. Davis. 03:04:08.569 --> 03:04:09.402 No. 03:04:10.355 --> 03:04:12.105 Mrs. Melton-Malone. 03:04:13.647 --> 03:04:15.263 Yes. 03:04:15.263 --> 03:04:16.736 Dr. Johnson. 03:04:16.736 --> 03:04:17.569 Yes. 03:04:18.832 --> 03:04:19.749 Dr Ellis. 03:04:21.162 --> 03:04:21.995 Yes 03:04:23.748 --> 03:04:27.665 So, there's eight in favor and seven opposed. 03:04:28.991 --> 03:04:30.978 So, there is a majority in favor and the recommendation 03:04:30.978 --> 03:04:33.449 is adopted to allow Rocketship Public Schools 03:04:33.449 --> 03:04:34.842 to move forward. 03:04:34.842 --> 03:04:37.509 I'll ask Ms. Little to continue. 03:04:48.509 --> 03:04:51.521 Mr. Chair, the Committee of a Full Board recommends 03:04:51.521 --> 03:04:53.627 that the State Board of Education veto the 03:04:53.627 --> 03:04:56.943 Commissioner of Education's Generation 26 03:04:56.943 --> 03:04:59.519 open-enrollment charter school proposal for 03:04:59.519 --> 03:05:03.352 S.H. James Preparatory Academy in San Antonio. 03:05:04.870 --> 03:05:08.911 Members is there any further debate on this item. 03:05:08.911 --> 03:05:10.172 Mr. Cortez 03:05:10.172 --> 03:05:12.557 So, I have a question for legal counsel. 03:05:12.557 --> 03:05:15.457 Is the Commissioner allowed to call any member 03:05:15.457 --> 03:05:20.098 of this body regarding any of these charters and 03:05:20.098 --> 03:05:22.514 give them information that may sway them 03:05:22.514 --> 03:05:23.702 one way or another? 03:05:23.702 --> 03:05:25.361 What would prohibit him? 03:05:25.361 --> 03:05:27.992 He is the Executive Secretary of this board. 03:05:27.992 --> 03:05:30.712 He's not allowed to lobby the legislature. I'm asking you, 03:05:30.712 --> 03:05:32.884 I mean, you're the lawyer you tell me, well, 03:05:32.884 --> 03:05:34.893 I am not aware of something that would, 03:05:34.893 --> 03:05:37.783 that he would be violating this isn't the legislature. 03:05:37.783 --> 03:05:41.005 It isn't legislative. And that meant he's not using 03:05:41.005 --> 03:05:45.172 state funds in order to influence the legislature. 03:05:46.149 --> 03:05:50.644 So if you have something in particular that you'd like me to 03:05:50.644 --> 03:05:52.622 review, I'd be, I'd be happy to but. 03:05:52.622 --> 03:05:54.569 It's not something that comes to mind. 03:05:54.569 --> 03:05:56.466 Nothing comes to mind. 03:05:56.466 --> 03:06:00.299 And, but then again, I will like in, you know, 03:06:02.449 --> 03:06:03.603 in all honesty, 03:06:03.603 --> 03:06:08.146 I am hired by the person that you're making an accusation 03:06:08.146 --> 03:06:09.470 against, 03:06:09.470 --> 03:06:12.180 and it may be more appropriate for you to seek that counsel 03:06:12.180 --> 03:06:15.025 somewhere, somewhere else. 03:06:15.025 --> 03:06:17.902 If, if you feel that there is a violation, 03:06:17.902 --> 03:06:20.235 So there's fair statement. 03:06:25.618 --> 03:06:29.876 You are hired by the very gentleman that I'm questioning you 03:06:29.876 --> 03:06:31.500 about. 03:06:31.500 --> 03:06:33.404 Thank you for your honesty members. 03:06:33.404 --> 03:06:38.321 Was there any further debate on this item, this Perez Diaz. 03:06:39.596 --> 03:06:43.679 However, to state that I did have the opportunity 03:06:52.425 --> 03:06:57.008 personally, to meet with the leadership of. As H James, 03:06:57.977 --> 03:07:01.309 I have been able to watch the work that they've been doing 03:07:01.309 --> 03:07:04.642 in preparation for today. And I'm quite, 03:07:05.527 --> 03:07:09.188 was quite impressed with the work that they've done. 03:07:09.188 --> 03:07:11.099 They're going into a community, again, 03:07:11.099 --> 03:07:13.932 offering opportunities where community members are 03:07:13.932 --> 03:07:18.018 specifically asking for support and, and other options. 03:07:18.018 --> 03:07:22.277 And they have an incredible amount of community support. 03:07:22.277 --> 03:07:24.466 They also have a great board. 03:07:24.466 --> 03:07:27.654 One of which was Mr. Milton Harris, who came and spoke. 03:07:27.654 --> 03:07:30.414 He's a well-respected gentleman in the community. 03:07:30.414 --> 03:07:32.385 And, and I believe in a leader there. 03:07:32.385 --> 03:07:35.743 And so for that reason, I will be supporting a Sage genes. 03:07:35.743 --> 03:07:38.444 And I would ask that, you know, 03:07:38.444 --> 03:07:42.344 as I spoke earlier on listen to community and the needs, I, 03:07:42.344 --> 03:07:45.635 I make it a mission of mine to go into the community and 03:07:45.635 --> 03:07:48.469 immerse myself and make sure that I'm hearing all 03:07:48.469 --> 03:07:49.823 perspectives 03:07:49.823 --> 03:07:54.371 and from my perspective on this particular proposal bill 03:07:54.371 --> 03:07:55.454 and his team, 03:07:57.529 --> 03:08:00.355 just the value that this potential charter could bring. 03:08:00.355 --> 03:08:03.377 And so what ask that you all consider that, I mean, 03:08:03.377 --> 03:08:06.377 from the member areas, so thank you. 03:08:11.400 --> 03:08:15.885 All right, members, any further discussion on this item? 03:08:15.885 --> 03:08:18.166 All right. Before I asked Ms. Martinez to call the roll, 03:08:18.166 --> 03:08:22.301 I will confirm that this is different than the last one. 03:08:22.301 --> 03:08:25.216 So the recommendation of the committee of the full* board 03:08:25.216 --> 03:08:27.966 was to veto a Saint James Academy 03:08:30.458 --> 03:08:32.927 that's Saint James Preparatory Academy.* 03:08:32.927 --> 03:08:37.927 So an affirmative vote would be a vote to continue the veto. 03:08:41.009 --> 03:08:43.092 So a yes vote is to veto. 03:08:43.936 --> 03:08:45.804 Ms. Martinez. 03:08:45.804 --> 03:08:47.159 Ms. Perez. 03:08:47.159 --> 03:08:49.331 Yes. 03:08:49.331 --> 03:08:51.005 Mr. Cortez*. 03:08:51.005 --> 03:08:52.175 Yes. 03:08:52.175 --> 03:08:53.723 Yes. 03:08:53.723 --> 03:08:55.277 Mr. Allen. 03:08:55.277 --> 03:08:56.777 Yes. 03:08:58.125 --> 03:08:59.212 Dr. Bell Maduro* 03:08:59.212 --> 03:09:00.757 Yes. 03:09:00.757 --> 03:09:03.429 Mr. Hickman. 03:09:03.429 --> 03:09:05.096 Yes. 03:09:09.005 --> 03:09:11.752 Dr. Robinson. 03:09:11.752 --> 03:09:14.417 Again how it is? 03:09:14.417 --> 03:09:17.667 * Yes to continue the veto. 03:09:20.281 --> 03:09:21.818 Yes. 03:09:21.818 --> 03:09:23.324 Dr. Young. 03:09:23.324 --> 03:09:24.910 Yes. 03:09:24.910 --> 03:09:25.790 Mr. Maynard. 03:09:25.790 --> 03:09:26.623 No. 03:09:28.440 --> 03:09:29.790 Ms. Hardy. 03:09:32.196 --> 03:09:33.757 Yeah. 03:09:33.757 --> 03:09:36.061 Mrs. Liddell.* 03:09:36.061 --> 03:09:37.110 No. 03:09:37.110 --> 03:09:39.439 Ms. Davis. 03:09:39.439 --> 03:09:40.338 Yes to veto. 03:09:40.338 --> 03:09:41.846 Mrs. Melton Malone.* 03:09:41.846 --> 03:09:43.430 [Mrs. Melton Malone] Yes. 03:09:43.430 --> 03:09:45.465 Dr. Johnson. 03:09:45.465 --> 03:09:47.132 Yes. 03:09:51.610 --> 03:09:53.160 Nine in favor. 03:09:59.699 --> 03:10:01.750 Yes, sir. 03:10:01.750 --> 03:10:03.540 So we have nine in favor and five against, 03:10:03.540 --> 03:10:07.393 so the veto is upheld. 03:10:10.464 --> 03:10:14.297 And just so I get that properly on the record, 03:10:15.280 --> 03:10:19.080 there is a majority in favor of the recommendation 03:10:19.080 --> 03:10:21.103 is adopted. Correct? Okay. 03:10:24.319 --> 03:10:25.152 All right, Ms. Little. 03:10:27.300 --> 03:10:30.252 Mr. Chair, the committee of the full board 03:10:30.252 --> 03:10:31.660 recommends the state board of education 03:10:31.660 --> 03:10:34.410 take no action on the Commissioner of Education's 03:10:34.410 --> 03:10:38.750 Generation 26 open enrollment charter school proposal 03:10:38.750 --> 03:10:41.173 for Thrive Center for Success in Magnolia. 03:10:42.620 --> 03:10:45.133 Members is there any further discussion on this item? 03:10:48.910 --> 03:10:51.510 Okay. So this one is different again than the last one. 03:10:51.510 --> 03:10:53.230 So for clarification, 03:10:53.230 --> 03:10:55.720 the recommendation from the committee of the full board 03:10:55.720 --> 03:10:57.530 was to take no action, 03:10:57.530 --> 03:10:59.880 which would allow this charter to move forward. 03:11:02.183 --> 03:11:05.993 So a yes vote would be to allow the charter to be approved. 03:11:08.040 --> 03:11:08.953 Okay, Ms. Martinez. 03:11:11.070 --> 03:11:11.960 Ms. Perez. 03:11:11.960 --> 03:11:12.810 No. 03:11:13.840 --> 03:11:15.697 Mr. Cortez. 03:11:15.697 --> 03:11:18.114 (indistinct) 03:11:26.090 --> 03:11:28.199 Ms. Perez-Diaz. 03:11:28.199 --> 03:11:29.870 Yes. 03:11:29.870 --> 03:11:31.940 Mr. Allen. 03:11:31.940 --> 03:11:33.310 Yes. 03:11:33.310 --> 03:11:34.760 Dr. Bell Metro.* 03:11:34.760 --> 03:11:36.060 Yes. 03:11:36.060 --> 03:11:37.980 Mr. Hickman. 03:11:37.980 --> 03:11:38.813 Yes. 03:11:40.110 --> 03:11:41.430 Dr. Robinson. 03:11:41.430 --> 03:11:43.060 Yes. 03:11:43.060 --> 03:11:44.460 Dr. Young. 03:11:44.460 --> 03:11:46.160 Yes. 03:11:46.160 --> 03:11:47.300 Mr. Maynard. 03:11:47.300 --> 03:11:48.493 Yes. 03:11:48.493 --> 03:11:50.460 Ms. Hardy. 03:11:50.460 --> 03:11:51.690 Yes. 03:11:51.690 --> 03:11:52.846 Mrs. Little, yes. 03:11:52.846 --> 03:11:54.185 Ms. Davis. 03:11:54.185 --> 03:11:55.459 Yes. 03:11:55.459 --> 03:11:56.292 Mrs. Melton Molo*. 03:11:56.292 --> 03:11:58.087 [Mrs. Melton Malone] Yes 03:11:58.087 --> 03:11:59.031 Dr. Johnson. 03:11:59.031 --> 03:12:00.698 Yes. 03:12:02.356 --> 03:12:04.606 Dr. Ellis. 03:12:05.831 --> 03:12:07.055 Yes. 03:12:07.055 --> 03:12:10.810 There is 14 in favor and one opposed. 03:12:10.810 --> 03:12:13.130 So there is a majority and the recommendation 03:12:13.130 --> 03:12:15.940 is adopted to take no action 03:12:15.940 --> 03:12:19.793 on Thrive Center for Success out of Magnolia. 03:12:21.570 --> 03:12:23.313 I believe that concludes the item. 03:12:24.727 --> 03:12:25.560 All right, thank you members. 03:12:25.560 --> 03:12:26.940 And again, as we've mentioned yesterday, 03:12:26.940 --> 03:12:29.870 this has been a long and arduous process, 03:12:29.870 --> 03:12:31.710 and I do want to state again, as I did yesterday, 03:12:31.710 --> 03:12:33.030 I'm proud of this board. 03:12:33.030 --> 03:12:34.600 I'm proud of the time that they put into this, 03:12:34.600 --> 03:12:35.950 when we go all the way back 03:12:37.081 --> 03:12:37.914 from reviewing the applications 03:12:37.914 --> 03:12:39.470 when they're presented to us, 03:12:39.470 --> 03:12:40.940 the amount of participation that we had 03:12:40.940 --> 03:12:42.510 during the capacity interviews, 03:12:42.510 --> 03:12:45.160 I think eight or so, maybe a little bit more hours 03:12:45.160 --> 03:12:47.520 of public testimony on Tuesday. 03:12:47.520 --> 03:12:50.330 Eight or nine or so hours of additional interviews 03:12:50.330 --> 03:12:52.395 that we had yesterday. 03:12:52.395 --> 03:12:54.240 The way that we're conducting this house, 03:12:54.240 --> 03:12:57.410 the amount of effort and research, 03:12:57.410 --> 03:12:59.370 and just time that this board spent, 03:12:59.370 --> 03:13:02.400 thoughtful, thoughtful consideration, respectful dialogue. 03:13:02.400 --> 03:13:03.470 I do wanna commend the board 03:13:03.470 --> 03:13:04.910 for the work they've done on this. 03:13:04.910 --> 03:13:06.110 Let's take a few minutes 03:13:07.211 --> 03:13:08.044 before we move on to the next item.