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Welcome to the California
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Public Utilities Commission
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on PG&E's corrective
action plan workshop
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on this day, Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021.
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Today's call is being recorded,
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if you have any objections
you may disconnect at this time.
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It is my pleasure to turn the
call over to Rachel Peterson.
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Thank you. You may begin.
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Thank you operator.
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Good afternoon everyone.
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My name is Rachel Peterson,
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I am the Executive Director
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of the California Public
Utilities Commission.
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Welcome to today's workshop.
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And I'm going to make a
short statement as we start.
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We are here because PG&E,
Pacific Gas and Electric Company
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failed to sufficiently
use risk to prioritize
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its enhanced vegetation management
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in wildfire prone areas of
its service territory in 2020.
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This failure goes to PG&E ability
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to safely deliver electric
service to its customers
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in California.
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And delivering safe
service is a condition
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that this Commission
imposed on the company
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in order for it to emerge
from bankruptcy in 2020.
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When the facts started to show that PG&E
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is not executing on its
responsibility for safe operations,
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then this Commission has the authority
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to conduct enhanced oversight.
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That is what the Commissioners
did in April of this year,
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when they placed PG&E into
step one of the Commissions
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enhanced oversight
and enforcement process.
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This enhanced oversight includes
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requiring PG&E to course correct.
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And to demonstrate that it
is in fact course correcting
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to ensure safe operation.
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Today is PG&E first opportunity
to start that demonstration.
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Nika Kjensli of the CPUC
safety enforcement division
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will now provide an
overview of the agenda
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and logistics for the workshop,
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after which we will turn
to opening comments
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from our Commissioners.
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Thank you for joining.
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Thank you Rachel,
for that introduction.
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Good afternoon and welcome
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to the California Public
Utilities Commission workshop
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on PG&E corrective action plan,
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which is part of the Commission enhanced
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oversight enforcement process.
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This three hour workshop
will focus on the 14 elements
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of PG&E corrective action
plan as well as its next step.
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Due to the Corona virus pandemic
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we are conducting
today's workshop online
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and by remote participation.
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The meeting is livestream
on the CPUC website.
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You can view the meeting
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at www.adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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Closed captioning is available
in English and Spanish
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through the webcast.
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You can click on the green button
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to select your language of choice.
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Please note that today's
workshop is being recorded
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for future use.
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We have a very ambitious agenda
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and a lot of material to cover today.
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We will first hear opening
remarks from President Batjer
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and Commissioners
Rechtschaffen and Shiroma.
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This will be followed by comments
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by Executive Director Rachel Peterson
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and Caroline Thomas Jacobs,
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Director of the Wildfire Safety Division
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on the expectations of this enhanced
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oversight enforcement process.
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Following the Commission
presenters Sumeet Singh
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PG&E Senior Vice-president
and Chief Risk Officer
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will provide an overview of
PG&E corrective action plan.
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We will then delve into
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three separate 10 minute presentations
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by PG&E representative
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on the various elements of its plan.
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Each of the presentations
will be followed
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by 10 minutes, Q&A session
with the Commissioners,
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Executive Director and Commission staff.
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At approximately 2:30 PM or
90 minutes into the workshop
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there will be a five
minutes stretch break.
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This will be followed by two
more 10 minute presentations
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from PG&E representatives
on lessons learned
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from its 2020 enhanced
specialization management work
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and the impact and duration
of PG&E corrective action plan.
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Each of these
presentations will also include
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a 10 minute Q&A session
using the same format
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as the earlier presentation.
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Near the end of today's workshop,
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there will be a 30 minutes
allocated for public comments.
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If you wish to make a
comment, dial 8008571917
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and enter passcode 5180519 and press *1,
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you will be placed into a queue
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and the operator will take
your name and information.
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You will be called upon to speak
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when we get to the public
comment period in today's agenda.
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And I will repeat this information
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when we begin the public
participation comment period.
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Following the 30 minute
public comment period,
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you will hear closing remarks
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from Executive Director Rachel Peterson.
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With that, I will now
turn to President Batjer
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and Commissioner's Rechtschaffen
and Genevieve Shiroma
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to get their opening remarks.
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Thank you again for attending
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and we look forward
to your participation
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in this public process.
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President Batjer.
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Thank you Nika and
thank you Rachel as well.
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I will keep my remarks very brief.
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I see that I have 10 minutes,
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I guess we all have 10 minutes to speak,
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but I will take much
less time than that.
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We established the sixth
step enhanced oversight
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and enforcement process as Rachel said,
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as a condition of PG&E
exit from bankruptcy
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to further instill accountability
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and drive PG&E to
meet its responsibility,
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to operate as a safe utility.
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a responsibility PG&E
has fallen short of meeting
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over the years.
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Placing PG&E into step one
of enhanced oversight process
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is not a replacement for PG&E
leadership embracing the need
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for it to operate as a safe company.
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It does however create
a clear corrective path
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to help ensure that in
2021 PG&E is prioritizing
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its enhanced vegetation management
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based on the wildfire risk
throughout the electric system.
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Today we need to have
PG&E provide confidence
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that they're meeting and making progress
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on all of the corrective
actions we have imposed,
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specifically need to demonstrate
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they are appropriately
prioritizing the power lines
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with the highest grid risk first.
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and to demonstrate that
they have corrected the issues
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that led to the inconsistent
tracking and reporting
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of their risk management
and risk ranking.
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With that I will extend my thanks again
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to Executive Director Peterson
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and to our safety and
enforcement division
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for the great work in
organizing today's workshop.
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And I'm very much looking
forward to this conversation,
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we'll be listening intently.
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So I want to thank you all.
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Back to my fellow Commissioners.
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I can't see all of you.
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I believe Commissioner Rechtschaffen
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would like to speak next.
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I'm gonna be even briefly
the new President Batjer,
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because Director
Peterson you already said
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much of what I wanted to say.
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This enhanced oversight
and enforcement process
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was critical not just to our approval of
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PG&E emergence from bankruptcy,
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but also to our determination
that we had the right tools
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to hold PG&ED accountable
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in the face of numerous
safety violations
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and widespread damage
resulting from those violations.
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So it's a very important
process that puts their life,
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PG&E licensed to
operate ultimately at risk
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in the face of sustained failures.
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It's a very important tool
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and the corrective action plan
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is central to the enhanced oversight
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and enforcement process.
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So what we're talking
about today really is critical
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to ensuring PG&E's accountability.
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Based on the discussions with staff
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and the questions
posed in today's material,
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PG&E plan appears to fall
short in a number of respects.
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I'm expecting and hoping
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for a very productive workshop today
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that ultimately will lead to
a revised and improved plan
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so that PG&E can get back on track.
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There are many
questions staff has posed,
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I'm particularly interested in
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how PG&E will communicate
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with its field staff on how to target
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the enhanced vegetation
and monitoring work.
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This has been a continuing problem
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how PG&E communicates
through its line workers,
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what the top priorities
of management are?
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And I'm also interested to
hear among other things,
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how PG&E expects to meet
its very aggressive timeline for
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completing work and
high priority circuits
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during the remainder of this year.
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I look forward to today's discussion
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and thank you for the opportunity
to make these comments.
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Mrs. Shiroma I
think you are next.
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Thank you.
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Yes. Thank you President
Batjer and to the CPUC team
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that has made today's meeting possible.
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I'm hoping through this
workshop that we can garner,
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whether PG&E fully
understands the gravity of its work
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and that it plans
to prioritize its work,
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focusing on the risks and
consequences of a wildfire
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in a given area.
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For such an impactful
and more still effort
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it is important for us and
the public to understand
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and for us to provide
feedback on PG&E plans
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through all of this.
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We certainly know
that a plan is not enough
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that PG&E must then fulfill
the plan and complete the work.
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PG&E must find contractors.
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I've spoken on this before
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on contractors obtain
the proper permits,
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work with customers to earn their buy-in
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to perform the work.
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And this will also include
development and training
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to bring on more trained
people to this work.
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Hopefully (indistinct) workforce,
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The summer will be hot and dry again.
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So we know there is only room for error.
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I look forward to the
presentation and discussion.
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Thank you back to you President Batjer.
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Sorry. I had to go
off video for just a second.
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I don't see any other Commissioner.
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I'm not seeing everyone.
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Does any other
Commissioners want to speak,
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please speak up.
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Okay. Don't see any.
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Rachel, I think I'm going
to toss this back to you.
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Thank you all for your comments.
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That's correct
President Batjer.
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I just wanna spend a few
minutes talking about process,
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because I know that we
have a number of stakeholders,
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very interested in process
and how to engage.
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So first about today's workshop,
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as you heard Nika state
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and as Commissioner
Rechtschaffen just pointed out
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our staff team has been evaluating
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the corrective action plan
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and has developed a number of questions
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that we'll be asking
PG&E during the workshop.
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And then for people who
are watching the webcast
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and would like to make public comments
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at about 3:25 PM,
somewhere around there,
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we'll start the public comment period.
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As Nika said,
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I'll go ahead and repeat the 800 number
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that you can call at that time.
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18008571917
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pass code 5180519 and
*1 to make public comment.
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We'll repeat it again at that time.
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After today's workshop,
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I wanna talk about process
over the next couple of months.
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As the resolution set out,
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PG&E was required to
submit its corrective action plan
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by May 6th, which it did.
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The resolution also requires
the Executive Director
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to review and approve the plan.
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I'm reviewing the
plan with the staff team
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and the questions that
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
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referred to are some of
the questions that we have
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about gaps and additional information
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that we would like to obtain from PG&E.
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After today's workshop
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we're going to prepare
a data request for PG&E
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that will set out those questions
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along with any others
that might arise today,
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including during public comments.
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Once we receive PG&E response,
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I'll be in a position to decide
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about how to act on the
corrective action plan.
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The next milestone, after that for PG&E
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is to submit a 90 day update
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about how it is prioritizing
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high-risk power lines for
enhanced vegetation management.
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That update is due on August 6th
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I've asked the staff teams to
prepare for a second workshop,
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most likely in September
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to have a public discussion
of PG&E 90 day update.
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That will be a second
opportunity for public engagement.
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Our process after that second workshop
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will depend on what we
are seeing from the company
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as a demonstration
that it is prioritizing
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high-risk power lines for
enhanced vegetation management.
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And then last, I wanna spend a moment on
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an important area of
inter-agency collaboration
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that's also upon us.
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Risk informed decisions and
enhanced vegetation management
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are both capabilities
that electric utilities
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PG&E included must make progress on
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under their wildfire mitigation plan.
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And the wildfire mitigation
plans are overseen
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by the Wildfire Safety Division.
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As everyone knows,
Wildfire Safety Division
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will become a new
state agency on July 1st,
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which is next week.
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We at the CPUC will
necessarily collaborate
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with the new Office of
Energy Infrastructure Safety.
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As we oversee PG&EM
performance within both its WMP,
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its Wildfire mitigation plan,
00:16:13.850 --> 00:16:17.593
and this enhanced oversight
and enforcement process.
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At a minimum this means that
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the two agencies will be coordinating on
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the upcoming data requests
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and that PG&E will be
required to serve it's updates on
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stakeholders to two formal proceedings,
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one related to the bankruptcy,
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which was under CPUC jurisdiction
00:16:39.180 --> 00:16:43.720
and wildfire safety and wildfire
mitigation plan proceeding
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which the Office of
Energy Infrastructure Safety
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will be overseeing.
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Our staff teams will jointly collaborate
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progress reports submitted by PG&E
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over the next few months.
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And Caroline Thomas
Jacobs, once I turn it to her
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is presently the director of
the Wildfire Safety Division,
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who will become the office of energy
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infrastructure safety next week
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and she'll also speak
about that collaboration.
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Thank you for being present today
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and Caroline I'll turn it to you.
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Thank you Dr. Peterson,
good afternoon everyone.
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As Director Peterson touched on,
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I just want to take a moment
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to kind of recap how we got here.
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With the establishment of
the Wildfire Safety Division
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in January, 2020, we
assumed the responsibility
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of assuring utility compliance
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with their approved
wildfire mitigation plans.
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In this case specifically PG&E.
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Throughout 2020, as we were getting
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our division up and running,
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we focused on assessing whether PG&E
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was implementing their
wildfire mitigation plan activities
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based on risk prioritization.
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Through our audit of PG&E implementation
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of their 2020 enhanced
vegetation management program
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we made a number of findings including,
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lack of communication
to the division staff
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concerning changes to their 2020
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enhanced vegetation management program,
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submission of
inconsistent and conflicting
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circuit risk prioritization.
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And most importantly,
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lack of conducting enhanced
meditation management activities
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on the highest risk
circuit protection zones.
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Specifically at the time of the audit
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PG&E provided three
different risk prioritization lists.
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And under any of those scenarios,
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PG&ED was conducting less than 5%
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of their enhanced
vegetation management work
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on their top 20 segments
or circuit protection zones.
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These findings are the basis upon which
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the Commission played PG&E into step one
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of the enhanced oversight
enforcement process
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for PG&E response
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to both the Wildfire
Safety Divisions audit
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and the step one resolution
corrective action plan
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PG&E is indicated that they're making
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substantial changes to their approach
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to ensure risk prioritization
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of enhanced vegetation
management activities.
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I look forward today to
hearing more detail about that.
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The division and the Commission
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will continue to coordinate closely
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to assess PG&E responses,
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and assure PG&ED is prioritizing
00:19:00.320 --> 00:19:02.200
enhanced vegetation
management activities
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in their highest risk areas.
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As director Peterson mentioned
a lot of fire safety division
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as of next Thursday, July one,
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transitions into a new department
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under the California
Natural Resources Agency
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the Office of Energy
Infrastructure Safety.
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The new department will maintain
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all roles and responsibilities
of the current division
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and as such will continue to
conduct compliance assurance
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on PG&E wildfire
mitigation plan activities,
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including implementation
00:19:27.410 --> 00:19:30.940
of their 2021 enhanced
vegetation management program.
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The division and as the new department,
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we expect to see measurable improvements
00:19:34.510 --> 00:19:36.470
in PG&E risk prioritization
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of vegetation management activities,
00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:40.620
and ultimately a
reduction of wildfire risk
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through declines and
normalized near miss
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and ignition events.
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Through our compliance process,
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we will be monitoring PG&E progress
00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.720
on enhanced vegetation
management activities,
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as well as all critical
wildfire mitigation activities.
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Going forward as The Office
of Energy Instruction Safety.
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We look forward to continue
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in coordination with the Commission
00:19:58.660 --> 00:20:01.630
on assuring PG&E is
meeting its commitments
00:20:01.630 --> 00:20:04.380
and conducting its vegetation
management activities
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based on risk informed decision making.
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I look forward to
hearing from PG&E today
00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:09.200
on their current efforts
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and status of implementing
these improvements.
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Back to you Rachel.
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Thank you.
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All right. I think we're
ready for Sumeet
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to begin the first presentation.
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Great. Thank you, Rachel.
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Good afternoon, President Batjer,
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respected Commissioners,
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Commission leadership and staff members.
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Thank you for the opportunity
to engage in today's session.
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My name is Sumeet Singh
and I have the privilege
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of being PG&E Chief Risk Officer.
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We are here today
because we must get better.
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Last year President Batjer mentioned,
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which I wholeheartedly
agree with fell short
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our own expectations,
00:21:07.450 --> 00:21:11.030
those of the Commissions
and our customers
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on the execution
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of our enhanced vegetation
management program.
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The intent of the information
that we discussed today,
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which is consistent with
a corrective action plan
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that we submitted to the CPUC on May 6th
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is to share how we have
incorporated your feedback
00:21:30.340 --> 00:21:34.490
and the immediate steps
that have already been taken
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to improve both our risk informed plan
00:21:38.660 --> 00:21:40.700
and the execution of the plan
00:21:40.700 --> 00:21:44.743
for our 2021 enhance
vegetation management program.
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We realized there are
areas we must improve
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to ensure we are
addressing the highest risk
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Rechtschaffen mentioned
and Rachel mentioned
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when performing EVM work,
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maximizing wildfire risk production
00:22:02.610 --> 00:22:04.760
and ensuring the continued safety
00:22:04.760 --> 00:22:07.180
of our customers and our communities
00:22:07.180 --> 00:22:09.580
that we are privileged to serve.
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The corrective action plan
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aims to address the
feedback we have received
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important lessons learned from 2020
00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:19.050
and outlines how we
will improve this year
00:22:19.050 --> 00:22:20.053
and moving forward.
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Throughout the discussion,
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we will provide deeper perspective
00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:28.350
about the ways we have
incorporated the feedback
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to ensure we're reducing our
risk in the highest risk areas.
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And we look forward to addressing
00:22:34.910 --> 00:22:39.740
the questions that were
raised in the opening comments,
00:22:39.740 --> 00:22:41.930
by the respective Commissioners,
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on how we have communicated
to our field personnel
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to ensure there's no daylight
00:22:46.300 --> 00:22:48.700
between the risk informed
plan and the execution
00:22:49.580 --> 00:22:52.130
to discuss in detail how we're meeting
00:22:52.130 --> 00:22:55.030
and plan to meet the aggressive targets,
00:22:55.030 --> 00:23:00.030
as well as addressing the
areas that Caroline outlined
00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.803
in regards to gaps from 2020.
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As we all know, California,
Oregon, and Washington,
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along with several other Western States,
00:23:08.770 --> 00:23:11.077
continue to experience
an increase in wildfire risk
00:23:11.077 --> 00:23:13.153
and a longer wildfire season.
00:23:14.190 --> 00:23:16.470
Last year was one of the
most active wildfire seasons
00:23:16.470 --> 00:23:18.593
on record across the Western US.
00:23:19.500 --> 00:23:22.090
The effects of climate change are here
00:23:22.090 --> 00:23:25.600
and we have a responsibility
to do everything we can
00:23:25.600 --> 00:23:29.040
to provide electric service
in a manner that is safe
00:23:29.040 --> 00:23:30.190
in our new environment.
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We're aligned dead on with the mission
00:23:37.320 --> 00:23:39.920
of the entire Commission,
the Wildfire Safety Division
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safety policy division, safety
and enforcement division
00:23:43.730 --> 00:23:45.210
to ensure the continued safety
00:23:45.210 --> 00:23:46.850
of our customers and our communities
00:23:46.850 --> 00:23:49.290
in light of the
unprecedented wildfire risk,
00:23:49.290 --> 00:23:50.890
no daylight between the mission.
00:23:52.660 --> 00:23:55.410
There's several actions
that we have taken
00:23:55.410 --> 00:23:59.790
in response to the
continued evolution of the risk
00:23:59.790 --> 00:24:03.653
and the gaps from our planning
and execution from last year.
00:24:05.060 --> 00:24:06.357
Let me touch on these
00:24:06.357 --> 00:24:10.380
and then we will build
on these at a deeper level
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:13.230
during the course of the
presentation and the discussion.
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.750
First we have established
a new organization
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that has an unwavering
focus on keeping our customers
00:24:22.102 --> 00:24:24.420
and community safe from wildfires.
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.930
The new wildfire risk organization,
00:24:25.930 --> 00:24:29.970
which was formulated this year,
00:24:29.970 --> 00:24:31.220
which I'm accountable for
00:24:32.820 --> 00:24:34.000
is dedicated to ensuring
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.968
that our wildfire
safety planning efforts
00:24:36.968 --> 00:24:39.693
and the execution of
the work are aligned,
00:24:40.710 --> 00:24:42.710
and there's no daylight between the two.
00:24:43.750 --> 00:24:47.080
This is one of the areas where
we have faltered in the past
00:24:47.080 --> 00:24:50.683
contributing to the
enhanced enforcement action.
00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:54.940
Second, we have stood up
00:24:56.270 --> 00:24:59.330
a wildfire risk governance
steering committee
00:24:59.330 --> 00:25:03.743
for all mitigation plans
are reviewed and approved,
00:25:04.790 --> 00:25:08.650
including the 2021 enhanced
vegetation management
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risk informed plan that was submitted
00:25:10.780 --> 00:25:13.230
as part of the corrective
action plan on May 6th.
00:25:14.350 --> 00:25:16.720
The steering committee is shared by me
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.480
and includes cross-functional leaders
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:22.900
from wildfire risk, electric operations
00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:24.300
and our internal audit team.
00:25:25.550 --> 00:25:27.600
Both the operational observer
00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:30.440
from the Governor's office
and the Federal monitor
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:32.480
attend the steering committee meetings
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.410
that happen on a weekly
00:25:34.410 --> 00:25:36.410
and in some cases more frequent cadence.
00:25:38.020 --> 00:25:43.020
The third is we have implemented
significant improvements
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.784
to our risk evaluation process,
00:25:45.784 --> 00:25:48.670
and we have adjusted
our wildfire safety plans,
00:25:48.670 --> 00:25:51.170
which also include the 2021
00:25:51.170 --> 00:25:54.263
enhanced vegetation
management program for this year.
00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:58.630
This year we are using
an enhanced risk model
00:25:58.630 --> 00:26:00.260
to create a scope of work
00:26:00.260 --> 00:26:03.690
that addresses the
highest risk circuits first,
00:26:03.690 --> 00:26:06.340
we'll discuss that further detail.
00:26:06.340 --> 00:26:08.360
We've included that in
the collective action plan,
00:26:08.360 --> 00:26:09.890
and we've also included that
00:26:09.890 --> 00:26:13.160
in quite a bit of detail
as part of our 2021
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:15.320
wildfire mitigation
plan that we submitted
00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:16.570
in February of this year.
00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:20.780
Based on our 2021 wildfire
distribution risk model
00:26:21.990 --> 00:26:24.310
our enhancements vegetation
management scope of work
00:26:24.310 --> 00:26:25.970
ensures that we have identified
00:26:25.970 --> 00:26:30.050
work on the highest to
lowest ranked circuit sections
00:26:30.050 --> 00:26:32.050
or what we call circuit protection zones
00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:36.990
on a list of one through N,
00:26:36.990 --> 00:26:39.383
from highest risk to lowest risk.
00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:46.500
Fourth, to verify that
we are performing work
00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:49.360
in the highest risk areas
00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:51.700
as a result of that was
learned from last year,
00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:53.820
we have improved our
internal communication
00:26:53.820 --> 00:26:55.770
and coordination with the teams
00:26:55.770 --> 00:26:58.440
that include our contract partners
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.393
that are performing this work.
00:27:02.010 --> 00:27:03.700
We have implemented processes to ensure
00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:06.470
clear communications
to teams performing work
00:27:06.470 --> 00:27:09.220
review of past and upcoming work
00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:11.330
and efficient channels
for leadership to review
00:27:11.330 --> 00:27:13.220
the changes and emerging issues
00:27:13.220 --> 00:27:16.560
through the implementation
of daily operating reviews
00:27:16.560 --> 00:27:19.140
that is core to our
lean operating system
00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:20.740
that we have deployed this year.
00:27:21.800 --> 00:27:25.380
We conduct daily operating
reviews with the teams
00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:27.210
and the crews closest to the work
00:27:28.410 --> 00:27:32.240
just for our vegetation
management part of the organization.
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.370
And we're doing this
for all the wildfire works,
00:27:34.370 --> 00:27:36.960
but just for the vegetation
management scope of work,
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.900
given that that's the scope
of this workshop today,
00:27:40.900 --> 00:27:45.820
we have implemented and
conduct 46 daily operating reviews
00:27:45.820 --> 00:27:48.570
that take place at every
level within the organization.
00:27:50.040 --> 00:27:51.190
So that there's no daylight
00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:53.570
between the risk informed plan approved
00:27:53.570 --> 00:27:58.570
by the wildfire risk
governance steering committee.
00:27:58.650 --> 00:28:01.170
And the cascade of that plan
00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.970
down to the individual
supervisor was accountable
00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:09.970
to ensure they do their part
to meet all of the objectives
00:28:10.350 --> 00:28:13.530
of the plan assigned to them safely
00:28:13.530 --> 00:28:16.130
and with the highest level of quality.
00:28:16.130 --> 00:28:19.150
This new way of working
allows us to identify
00:28:19.150 --> 00:28:21.580
escalations early in the process,
00:28:21.580 --> 00:28:24.820
address potential issues
with the appropriate teams
00:28:24.820 --> 00:28:28.590
and helps us validate and
maintain safety and quality
00:28:28.590 --> 00:28:29.563
at each step.
00:28:30.990 --> 00:28:31.990
Though our corrective action plan
00:28:31.990 --> 00:28:34.653
is a significant improvement
over efforts in 2020,
00:28:35.710 --> 00:28:38.090
we have already
identified lessons learned,
00:28:38.090 --> 00:28:40.483
which we will incorporate in 2022.
00:28:42.740 --> 00:28:47.200
For example, due to the
timing of finalizing our risk model
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.600
and incorporating the key components
00:28:49.600 --> 00:28:51.520
such as aerial LIDAR,
00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:55.610
which we'll also discuss
in detail in this workshop,
00:28:55.610 --> 00:29:00.610
our 2021 plan have to shift
much of the work execution
00:29:00.700 --> 00:29:01.863
to later in the year.
00:29:02.890 --> 00:29:06.520
In 2022 we will
incorporate these learnings
00:29:06.520 --> 00:29:09.320
earlier in the process as we build out
00:29:09.320 --> 00:29:12.230
and prioritize our
wildfire safety initiatives
00:29:13.190 --> 00:29:17.530
to develop more levelized risk informed
00:29:17.530 --> 00:29:21.320
work execution plan
throughout the course of the year,
00:29:21.320 --> 00:29:25.260
as opposed to back-loading the execution
00:29:25.260 --> 00:29:26.760
in a lot of parts of the year.
00:29:28.230 --> 00:29:31.260
Today we will discuss
the improvements
00:29:31.260 --> 00:29:33.140
from last year in greater detail,
00:29:33.140 --> 00:29:36.150
focusing on each of the 14 elements
00:29:36.150 --> 00:29:37.650
in the corrective action plan.
00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:41.580
We have grouped these together
00:29:41.580 --> 00:29:44.273
to highlight the development
of the scope of work.
00:29:45.250 --> 00:29:48.493
We'll also provide an update
on our progress to date,
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.430
which will be included
as part of our 90 day report
00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:54.860
that Rachel mentioned,
00:29:54.860 --> 00:29:56.943
first of which is due on August 6th.
00:29:58.490 --> 00:30:00.420
We understand the
significance of this workshop
00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:03.120
and the improvements
that we need to make
00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:05.530
before this plan reflects our commitment
00:30:05.530 --> 00:30:07.570
and we welcome any feedback
00:30:07.570 --> 00:30:09.373
on how we can further improve this.
00:30:10.650 --> 00:30:12.250
So joining me in today's session
00:30:13.230 --> 00:30:15.150
are Andrew Abranches,
00:30:15.150 --> 00:30:17.750
our Senior Director of risk
Management for Wildfire,
00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:20.467
Michael Ritter.
00:30:20.467 --> 00:30:21.880
Who's our Senior Director of Vegetation
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.090
Management Operations
00:30:24.630 --> 00:30:25.483
Paul McGregor.
00:30:26.620 --> 00:30:30.030
Who's our Director of
Wildfire Risk Management
00:30:30.030 --> 00:30:31.620
and Analytics,
00:30:31.620 --> 00:30:34.680
and Sandy Blaine who's
a Director of Programs
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.013
for Vegetation Management.
00:30:37.620 --> 00:30:40.690
Thank you for giving us an opportunity
00:30:41.570 --> 00:30:43.820
to work collaboratively,
00:30:43.820 --> 00:30:46.940
to improve our safety
performance for our customers
00:30:47.810 --> 00:30:50.563
and our communities that
we are privileged to serve.
00:30:51.610 --> 00:30:53.100
We look forward to being responsive
00:30:53.100 --> 00:30:54.750
to any questions from you
00:30:54.750 --> 00:30:57.040
and everyone that's participating today.
00:30:57.040 --> 00:31:00.730
So with that let me please
hand it over to Andrew Abranches
00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:03.650
to start to walk through
the specific details
00:31:03.650 --> 00:31:05.010
of several of the elements,
00:31:05.010 --> 00:31:07.400
focus on the risk participation approach
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:08.893
for the 2021 plan.
00:31:09.870 --> 00:31:10.703
Andrew.
00:31:12.210 --> 00:31:13.660
Thank you, Sumeet.
00:31:15.130 --> 00:31:16.780
If we could go to the next slide.
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.190
Thank you Commissioners
00:31:22.190 --> 00:31:24.250
and thank you Executive
Director Peterson
00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:27.670
for providing us this
opportunity to go into detail
00:31:28.509 --> 00:31:30.423
of the PG&E corrective action plan.
00:31:31.850 --> 00:31:33.670
If I could go, I would focus on
00:31:33.670 --> 00:31:37.660
elements two, five, and six right here
00:31:37.660 --> 00:31:39.630
in the first 10 minutes section
00:31:39.630 --> 00:31:41.980
and then we'll take
some questions on that.
00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:45.450
As I do this Paul McGregor,
00:31:45.450 --> 00:31:47.230
I might call on Paul McGregor as well
00:31:47.230 --> 00:31:52.230
to add more detail to the
comments that I am providing.
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:53.513
Next slide.
00:31:59.370 --> 00:32:02.280
With regards to the wildfire risk model.
00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:05.230
The first of the big
changes that we made
00:32:05.230 --> 00:32:10.230
was we've updated our
wildfire risk modeling framework
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:12.860
from what was in place in 2021
00:32:12.860 --> 00:32:15.540
that guided the 2020 plan.
00:32:15.540 --> 00:32:19.240
And we upgraded it to a new risk model
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:24.240
with revisions both on the
probability of ignition section,
00:32:24.690 --> 00:32:29.100
as well as an update on the consequence.
00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:32.600
So we're following the
same risk model approach,
00:32:32.600 --> 00:32:36.780
where you have the likelihood
of a risk event taking place.
00:32:36.780 --> 00:32:40.280
In this case the
likelihood of an ignition
00:32:40.280 --> 00:32:42.003
caused by vegetation.
00:32:43.130 --> 00:32:46.550
And once you have that
ignition, that probability
00:32:47.570 --> 00:32:50.270
you then assess in the location
00:32:50.270 --> 00:32:53.210
where the ignition could take place.
00:32:53.210 --> 00:32:55.763
What would be the
consequence of that ignition?
00:32:56.780 --> 00:33:00.410
What that does is allow us over
00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:02.420
all the circuit protection zones
00:33:02.420 --> 00:33:05.240
that we have in
high-five threat districts
00:33:06.140 --> 00:33:10.270
to provide a rank
order of prioritization
00:33:10.270 --> 00:33:12.243
of those circuit production zones.
00:33:13.790 --> 00:33:16.910
The reason we have
two, one for vegetation
00:33:16.910 --> 00:33:20.040
and one for equipment is because
00:33:20.980 --> 00:33:24.910
equipment and vegetation
are the two biggest reasons
00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:27.410
that we have ignition on our system
00:33:27.410 --> 00:33:29.423
that the ignition events occur,
00:33:30.490 --> 00:33:34.340
but the drivers for
each are very different.
00:33:34.340 --> 00:33:36.360
In the case of vegetation,
00:33:36.360 --> 00:33:37.760
it is driven by vegetation
00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:40.340
coming into contact with our lines,
00:33:40.340 --> 00:33:43.330
in equipment it's a
result of equipment failing
00:33:43.330 --> 00:33:44.193
on the system.
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:47.200
We are trying triangulated and dated
00:33:48.340 --> 00:33:51.790
on enhanced vegetation
management prioritization
00:33:51.790 --> 00:33:55.133
by the equipment, the
vegetation ignition model,
00:33:56.930 --> 00:33:58.800
that vegetation ignition model
00:33:58.800 --> 00:34:02.053
consists of a number
of factors that go into it.
00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:07.080
I'm gonna ask Paul McGregor
to spend a little bit of time
00:34:07.080 --> 00:34:11.730
to provide some color on
the vegetation ignition factors
00:34:11.730 --> 00:34:13.130
that'd be used in the model.
00:34:14.120 --> 00:34:14.953
Paul.
00:34:17.120 --> 00:34:17.953
Thank you, Andrew.
00:34:17.953 --> 00:34:19.190
Just a quick sound check.
00:34:20.570 --> 00:34:21.970
Yep.
00:34:21.970 --> 00:34:23.017
Thank you very much.
00:34:23.017 --> 00:34:25.477
And thanks again to the
members of the Commission
00:34:25.477 --> 00:34:26.910
and to the members of the public
00:34:26.910 --> 00:34:31.140
that took time out of their
day to explore this with us.
00:34:31.140 --> 00:34:34.010
With regard to our
vegetation ignition model,
00:34:34.010 --> 00:34:36.453
it's a probability of ignition model
00:34:36.453 --> 00:34:40.180
that looks at three
particular groups of covariates
00:34:40.180 --> 00:34:42.220
or variables as we call them.
00:34:42.220 --> 00:34:44.830
The first is the asset data associated.
00:34:44.830 --> 00:34:47.540
So that would be the
conductors, the linear assets,
00:34:47.540 --> 00:34:51.850
namely our high
voltage distribution lines
00:34:51.850 --> 00:34:54.470
in the high fire threat districts.
00:34:54.470 --> 00:34:57.890
The age of that conductor splice detail,
00:34:57.890 --> 00:35:01.920
those kinds of things associated
with the conductor itself.
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.440
And then we also add in a
number of environmental features,
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.203
for example, the presence of trees,
00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:12.180
the condition of the ground fuels,
00:35:12.180 --> 00:35:14.190
whether they be dry,
whether it be grass,
00:35:14.190 --> 00:35:16.120
whether it be shrubbery.
00:35:16.120 --> 00:35:18.790
And then also we include weather data,
00:35:18.790 --> 00:35:22.410
in other words what is wind speeds,
00:35:22.410 --> 00:35:27.410
what data precipitation we
have in this particular area?
00:35:27.715 --> 00:35:29.650
And what the model
does is it synthesizes
00:35:29.650 --> 00:35:31.730
all of these covariates together
00:35:31.730 --> 00:35:34.070
for the existence of a phenomenon.
00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:36.960
And this phenomenon is an ignition event
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.420
that leads to what we call
CPUC reportable ignition,
00:35:41.420 --> 00:35:42.870
which has its own definition.
00:35:43.890 --> 00:35:46.860
So we know this phenomenon occurs
00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:50.770
what the model does is it
predicts where that would occur
00:35:50.770 --> 00:35:54.380
using a particular
machine learning algorithm.
00:35:54.380 --> 00:35:58.130
And then from that
probability of ignition occurring,
00:35:58.130 --> 00:36:01.990
we marry that up against our
wildfire consequence model,
00:36:01.990 --> 00:36:05.400
which uses a commercial
package known as Technosylva
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.810
to assess fire propagation
and consequence.
00:36:09.810 --> 00:36:12.170
Basically consequences
is measured in three sets
00:36:12.170 --> 00:36:13.450
of natural units.
00:36:13.450 --> 00:36:18.450
Those being acres
burned, structures impacted
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:20.690
and population impacted.
00:36:20.690 --> 00:36:22.170
And there's another factor in there
00:36:22.170 --> 00:36:24.740
that we'd call fire behavior index,
00:36:24.740 --> 00:36:27.870
which is effectively the rate
of spread and flame length,
00:36:27.870 --> 00:36:30.853
or it proxy for the
intensity of such a fire.
00:36:34.160 --> 00:36:36.750
We run the probability of ignition model
00:36:36.750 --> 00:36:38.510
up against this consequence model
00:36:38.510 --> 00:36:41.520
and that provides us a risk score
00:36:41.520 --> 00:36:44.140
using our basic definition
of ignition probability
00:36:44.140 --> 00:36:46.530
multiplied by wildfire consequence.
00:36:46.530 --> 00:36:48.880
And that provides
us with that risk score
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:53.240
for each of our CPZs or
circuit protection zones,
00:36:53.240 --> 00:36:55.730
which are effectively segments or parts
00:36:55.730 --> 00:36:58.080
of a particular circuit.
00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:02.750
From here we can rank
each of those circuit segments
00:37:02.750 --> 00:37:05.870
from a highest to lowest
order and assess them
00:37:05.870 --> 00:37:07.930
in this case for vegetation programs
00:37:07.930 --> 00:37:12.580
to inform our enhanced vegetation
management prioritization.
00:37:12.580 --> 00:37:13.940
And as you can see from the chart,
00:37:13.940 --> 00:37:17.700
we also do this for
equipment ignitions as well.
00:37:17.700 --> 00:37:19.950
And that informs our system hardening
00:37:19.950 --> 00:37:23.540
and other inspection and
maintenance type activities.
00:37:23.540 --> 00:37:26.710
I'll pause it that if there
are any specific questions
00:37:26.710 --> 00:37:28.417
or I can hand back to Andrew.
00:37:30.499 --> 00:37:31.337
Paul, let me take it from here
00:37:31.337 --> 00:37:33.630
and we'll come back to the questions
00:37:33.630 --> 00:37:35.643
in the 10 minutes allocated.
00:37:36.620 --> 00:37:41.620
First of what Paul
covered is the risk model,
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.050
the underlined risk model.
00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:48.220
And this is a consistent
risk model use for guiding
00:37:48.220 --> 00:37:50.560
the enhanced vegetation program.
00:37:50.560 --> 00:37:52.143
If we can go to the next slide.
00:37:59.470 --> 00:38:00.743
So I'll start at the top.
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.540
What informs the scope of the
enhanced vegetation program,
00:38:06.540 --> 00:38:10.643
we'll start with that 2021
wildfire distribution risk model.
00:38:10.643 --> 00:38:12.093
What we just spoke about.
00:38:13.910 --> 00:38:16.290
That list model, while it gives to us
00:38:16.290 --> 00:38:19.130
at circuit protection zone level,
00:38:19.130 --> 00:38:22.080
it also gives us granular details
00:38:22.080 --> 00:38:25.340
effectively in hundred meter
by a hundred meter pixels
00:38:26.410 --> 00:38:27.710
of risk unit.
00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:30.640
So the entire system
twenty-five thousand miles
00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:32.060
off the system,
00:38:32.060 --> 00:38:35.270
Today we had the a hundred
meter by a hundred pixels,
00:38:35.270 --> 00:38:37.963
which has in effect a risk score.
00:38:39.110 --> 00:38:43.480
We aggregate that risk
score in step two over there
00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:48.560
into what is called
the unified grid map.
00:38:48.560 --> 00:38:52.900
That's a one kilometer
by 0.7 kilometer grid area.
00:38:52.900 --> 00:38:57.900
The purpose of doing
that is to make it into units
00:38:58.609 --> 00:39:02.223
that are useful from an
execution perspective,
00:39:03.490 --> 00:39:06.460
those units that unified grid map
00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:11.083
also allows us to put in
two other elements of data,
00:39:12.190 --> 00:39:14.263
maybe talk to number three.
00:39:16.350 --> 00:39:18.553
Because we're doing
vegetation work here.
00:39:19.690 --> 00:39:23.420
We want to understand to
the best of our knowledge
00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:24.993
and with the best of our data,
00:39:26.020 --> 00:39:28.900
what is the vegetation count?
00:39:28.900 --> 00:39:33.900
The pre-count associated
in those one kilometer
00:39:34.200 --> 00:39:38.283
by 0.7 kilometer grid
areas or unified grid maps.
00:39:39.640 --> 00:39:43.440
So we have the estimated
tree count for grid area
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:48.440
from a LIDAR survey that was
performed in 2019 and 2020.
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.020
Now that LIDAR survey covered about 60%
00:39:53.020 --> 00:39:56.320
of our vegetation area.
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.620
The reason it could not
cover the full a hundred percent
00:39:59.620 --> 00:40:02.230
was because that ground-based LIDAR
00:40:02.230 --> 00:40:05.959
and some of the areas
was done specifically,
00:40:05.959 --> 00:40:09.333
via roadways that
transverse close to our assets.
00:40:10.990 --> 00:40:13.160
We combine that information
00:40:13.160 --> 00:40:16.280
with the vegetation inspection results
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.090
or inspectors that have
gone out to these lines
00:40:19.090 --> 00:40:22.630
and indicated that they
are trees in those areas
00:40:22.630 --> 00:40:23.680
that they have marked
00:40:25.470 --> 00:40:29.120
Both of those are fresh pieces of data
00:40:29.120 --> 00:40:31.140
that's were not in the model
00:40:32.150 --> 00:40:35.290
and it behooved us to
include that information
00:40:35.290 --> 00:40:39.023
into the model or into
the data or the work plan.
00:40:39.890 --> 00:40:41.443
So that's what number three is.
00:40:42.930 --> 00:40:46.430
Number four then is the estimation
00:40:46.430 --> 00:40:50.440
of the remaining pre-work
in the grid map grouping.
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:55.440
from enhanced vegetation
management execution records,
00:40:55.900 --> 00:40:58.950
where have we done past
work and remove the trees
00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:03.610
how do we then made sure that
we are not putting in segments
00:41:03.610 --> 00:41:06.870
that have already got no trees on it?
00:41:06.870 --> 00:41:09.050
Because the risk that
they're talking about here
00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:13.810
is risk of vegetation prelims
00:41:13.810 --> 00:41:16.843
as well as trees falling into
lines or blowing into lines.
00:41:18.700 --> 00:41:21.810
Then we add aggregate
into the unified grid
00:41:21.810 --> 00:41:25.690
combined with the
estimation of the tree count
00:41:25.690 --> 00:41:29.210
and then looking
specifically of removing
00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:31.730
where have we already performed work,
00:41:31.730 --> 00:41:36.730
gives us the 2021 EVM pre
weighted risk prioritization.
00:41:40.720 --> 00:41:44.210
What that EVM pre
weighted risk privatization is
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.390
similar to our 2021 wildfire
distribution risk model
00:41:50.310 --> 00:41:53.330
a ranking, a one to N ranking
00:41:53.330 --> 00:41:55.940
of every serving production zone
00:41:55.940 --> 00:42:00.250
that has the other
two factors of pre count
00:42:00.250 --> 00:42:02.903
and where pre-work has been performed.
00:42:04.730 --> 00:42:08.140
That is the ranking this 2021 EVM
00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:10.940
pre rated risk privatization
00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:13.950
is the ranking that then is guided
00:42:13.950 --> 00:42:17.410
to the execution arm
to perform the work.
00:42:17.410 --> 00:42:19.010
But let me go to the next slide.
00:42:31.090 --> 00:42:35.430
What I have covered is in
the boxes from left to right,
00:42:35.430 --> 00:42:39.760
I've covered the 2021
wildfire distribution risk model.
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:42.490
I've covered the other modifications
00:42:42.490 --> 00:42:45.360
that you make to
incorporate in process work
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.240
or estimated of pre,
00:42:47.240 --> 00:42:49.730
you get to the tree
weighted prioritization lists
00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:50.863
the one to N.
00:42:51.810 --> 00:42:54.450
And then the guidance that formulates
00:42:54.450 --> 00:42:57.780
the 2021 EDM scope of work
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:02.780
we selected from the top
of this risk prioritization.
00:43:03.020 --> 00:43:07.270
We selected the top 99 CPZ,
00:43:07.270 --> 00:43:12.270
those top 99 CPZs were in
risks rank order from one to N.
00:43:14.300 --> 00:43:18.000
We have the entire CPZs risk rank,
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.970
we only provided the top
99 to the execution arm
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.500
to ensure that the execution
arm does not get distracted
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:33.180
and focuses primarily on those one to N
00:43:33.180 --> 00:43:34.493
circuit protection zones,
00:43:35.790 --> 00:43:38.040
those circuit protection
zones, that one to N
00:43:39.620 --> 00:43:43.700
and the 99 make up 3% of
the circuit protection zones
00:43:43.700 --> 00:43:47.073
in the entire high fire
threat district system.
00:43:48.100 --> 00:43:50.880
And specifically, those
are the highest risks
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.090
circuit production zones
based on our risk model
00:43:55.090 --> 00:43:58.163
that has been adjusted for tree work.
00:44:00.067 --> 00:44:02.810
That 2021 EVM scope,
00:44:02.810 --> 00:44:07.810
the 99 CPZs accounts for 2,422 miles
00:44:11.120 --> 00:44:12.813
where work needs to be performed.
00:44:14.910 --> 00:44:18.113
Our target initially is 1800 miles,
00:44:19.010 --> 00:44:21.410
but we would like the organization,
00:44:21.410 --> 00:44:24.440
with the execution of this
do as much as possible
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.750
and go beyond that 1800 miles.
00:44:27.750 --> 00:44:32.100
The reason we have
to give them 2,422 miles
00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:35.990
is as they perform
the work as the income
00:44:35.990 --> 00:44:39.120
that we expect that they
would encounter challenges.
00:44:39.120 --> 00:44:41.950
And if they've gotta
move from one to the next,
00:44:41.950 --> 00:44:45.240
they're still moving
down the path of high risk
00:44:47.230 --> 00:44:50.270
to the next highest risk site work.
00:44:50.270 --> 00:44:53.560
The intent is to ensure
that the execution arm
00:44:53.560 --> 00:44:58.560
performance work on the
99 circuit protection zones
00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:02.010
over the course between
now and the end of the year,
00:45:02.010 --> 00:45:05.110
because these zones are
located in different parts
00:45:05.110 --> 00:45:06.523
of the service territory.
00:45:07.570 --> 00:45:09.430
We don't expect them to perform them
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:13.050
specifically one to
N during the first one
00:45:13.050 --> 00:45:13.920
and then the second one.
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.210
One could be in, let's
say the Fresno area,
00:45:16.210 --> 00:45:18.350
and one could be up
in the Santa Rosa area.
00:45:18.350 --> 00:45:22.490
So based on execution,
they would perform
00:45:22.490 --> 00:45:25.010
that those maybe simultaneously,
00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:30.003
but the focus is to perform
the work on the 99 CPZs.
00:45:31.870 --> 00:45:35.160
All of that, the 2021 EVM scope of work
00:45:35.160 --> 00:45:38.170
as Mr. Singh explained
00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:41.570
came before the wildfire risk
governance steering committee
00:45:41.570 --> 00:45:43.490
to get signed off.
00:45:43.490 --> 00:45:46.830
And it is that 2021 EVM scope of work
00:45:46.830 --> 00:45:51.830
that was communicated deep in
the enhanced veg management
00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:53.850
and the veg management organization
00:45:53.850 --> 00:45:57.743
that Michael Ritter will
referenced in later comments.
00:46:01.190 --> 00:46:03.900
Let me go to the next slide
00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:05.600
and then we'll pause for comments.
00:46:12.700 --> 00:46:16.270
In addition to the one to
99 circuit protection zones
00:46:18.520 --> 00:46:23.520
in 2019 and 2020, as
we performed EVM work,
00:46:24.510 --> 00:46:26.640
there were commitments made to cities,
00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:28.030
counties, and agencies
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:31.550
that when we made commitments
00:46:31.550 --> 00:46:34.860
to perform work in line with the risk
00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:36.740
prioritization that we had at the time
00:46:36.740 --> 00:46:38.640
and we realized that was privatization.
00:46:38.640 --> 00:46:41.130
There were multiple iterations of it,
00:46:41.130 --> 00:46:43.163
and it was not as clean as possible.
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.903
What we have done is
with those commitments,
00:46:49.010 --> 00:46:51.000
we do feel the obligation
00:46:51.930 --> 00:46:54.860
to continue and satisfy
those commitments.
00:46:54.860 --> 00:46:58.870
And I'll ask Michael Ritter
00:46:59.910 --> 00:47:01.740
to provide a couple examples
00:47:01.740 --> 00:47:04.630
of what those commitments are like.
00:47:04.630 --> 00:47:05.463
Michael.
00:47:10.670 --> 00:47:11.670
Thank you, Andrew.
00:47:12.930 --> 00:47:15.480
One example I wanted to provide,
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.440
represents a commitment to a community.
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:22.203
It's the San Luis Obispo, 1107 circuit.
00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:25.593
The reason this commitment was made,
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.310
we engage with our local public affairs,
00:47:30.310 --> 00:47:34.453
the Diablo Canyon and
Eveleigh Valley Advisory Council,
00:47:35.560 --> 00:47:39.150
because there's a very
narrow ingress and egress
00:47:39.150 --> 00:47:41.563
with little self-service
in this territory.
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.240
It had been raised as a significant
concern by the community
00:47:47.490 --> 00:47:52.020
and also by our local
Diablo Canyon power plant.
00:47:52.020 --> 00:47:55.130
And so we made a
commitment to perform that work
00:47:55.130 --> 00:47:57.403
in light of those concerns and risks.
00:47:58.450 --> 00:48:03.450
The second example represents a category
00:48:03.560 --> 00:48:07.640
of commitments around
extended cycled permit.
00:48:07.640 --> 00:48:12.640
So the second example
that was shown 1101 circuit.
00:48:13.710 --> 00:48:18.710
And this is a circuit that
we engaged in essence,
00:48:18.930 --> 00:48:22.570
all of 2020 with the US Forest Service
00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:24.583
to work through a permitting process.
00:48:25.916 --> 00:48:27.750
We have been granted that permit
00:48:29.510 --> 00:48:33.153
and it is in actually the
Yosemite National Park.
00:48:34.770 --> 00:48:38.370
And so this is an
example where because of
00:48:38.370 --> 00:48:39.930
narrow windows to perform the work,
00:48:39.930 --> 00:48:44.300
we have nesting bird
season restrictions and others.
00:48:44.300 --> 00:48:47.410
The permit actually expires
in October of this year
00:48:48.390 --> 00:48:52.550
that we chose to proceed
forward with that work
00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:55.193
and that work represents
approximately seven miles.
00:48:58.510 --> 00:49:00.810
This is Nika (indistinct)
00:49:00.810 --> 00:49:03.410
I'm gonna interject a little
bit because of the time
00:49:04.390 --> 00:49:07.760
are we near closing out
this part of the presentation
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.580
so we can move to the Q&A session
00:49:09.580 --> 00:49:11.293
with the Commissioners and staff?
00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:14.230
Yes, Nika, where
we're right at the end,
00:49:14.230 --> 00:49:19.230
I got about 20 seconds of
comments and then I'll pause.
00:49:20.650 --> 00:49:24.030
To summarize this
section in depth, right?
00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:27.210
We've pivoted to a new risk model.
00:49:27.210 --> 00:49:29.070
They're very transparent about
00:49:29.070 --> 00:49:31.380
how that risk model was modified
00:49:32.685 --> 00:49:35.292
to account for three density
00:49:35.292 --> 00:49:37.840
that was not in the risk model,
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.230
as well as work that had
already been performed.
00:49:41.230 --> 00:49:44.990
And we have directed the execution arm
00:49:44.990 --> 00:49:48.320
to the highest risk
portion of our circuits
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:50.980
with the understanding that if there are
00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:53.660
any requirements or commitments
00:49:53.660 --> 00:49:54.953
that they go outside of that,
00:49:54.953 --> 00:49:58.120
that they'd be very
transparent about the reason
00:49:58.120 --> 00:50:02.723
why they're doing it and
be documented specifically.
00:50:04.040 --> 00:50:07.880
Also any commitments that
we do outside of the highest risk
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.080
will not affect our goals of completing
00:50:10.080 --> 00:50:12.400
any percent of the EVM work
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.320
in the top 20% of the risk miles.
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:20.110
So with that, I've kind of
finished through the section,
00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:22.653
go back to you opening up for questions.
00:50:26.600 --> 00:50:29.320
Okay. Thank you
for that Presentation
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:33.140
Commissioners staff,
Commissioners do we have?
00:50:33.140 --> 00:50:35.760
Executive Director Peterson?
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.510
Caroline, do we have any questions?
00:50:43.720 --> 00:50:45.700
This is Caroline
I have a question.
00:50:45.700 --> 00:50:47.000
Great. Thank you.
00:50:48.310 --> 00:50:50.570
So Sumeet mentioned
that one of the things
00:50:50.570 --> 00:50:52.700
you guys are looking
at is trying to incorporate
00:50:52.700 --> 00:50:54.810
lessons learned a little bit earlier
00:50:54.810 --> 00:50:56.270
so that it can inform
00:50:56.270 --> 00:50:57.740
and get into the front half of the year,
00:50:57.740 --> 00:50:59.560
as opposed to the back half of the year.
00:50:59.560 --> 00:51:01.860
Are there any identified lessons learned
00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:04.270
specific to this risk model
00:51:04.270 --> 00:51:07.930
that you've already identified
for your 2022 planning
00:51:07.930 --> 00:51:09.950
that would make a significant change?
00:51:09.950 --> 00:51:11.020
'Cause one of the issues here
00:51:11.020 --> 00:51:12.880
was the significant change right?
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.410
In the risk prioritization.
00:51:14.410 --> 00:51:15.540
So can you speak a little bit about that
00:51:15.540 --> 00:51:16.707
if you've identified any lessons learned
00:51:16.707 --> 00:51:19.393
and how that's gonna
be planned for in 2022?
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.783
Yes. Thank you,
Caroline for that question,
00:51:25.030 --> 00:51:28.250
the significant change I
think that we understood
00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:31.240
the risk model served as an anchor
00:51:31.240 --> 00:51:33.990
to a lot of the work we perform
00:51:33.990 --> 00:51:38.270
and the rigor in which
we maintain configuration
00:51:38.270 --> 00:51:41.640
and control over that risk
model is very important
00:51:41.640 --> 00:51:44.640
because while new things come up
00:51:44.640 --> 00:51:47.260
and we certainly would
welcome the opportunity
00:51:47.260 --> 00:51:48.690
to incorporate new things,
00:51:48.690 --> 00:51:51.453
you've gotta do it in a
very methodical fashion.
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.247
And so what we've
incorporated is we've incorporated
00:51:56.247 --> 00:51:59.480
ineffective version
control on the risk model.
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.300
So that updates that may come in
00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:03.500
don't automatically then trigger
00:52:03.500 --> 00:52:06.418
a wide swing in the work plan.
00:52:06.418 --> 00:52:10.960
For 2022, before we
introduce a new risk model
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.990
to change and impact the 2022 work plan,
00:52:14.990 --> 00:52:18.653
we do need to do a tremendous
amount of assessment to say,
00:52:20.011 --> 00:52:22.380
let us make sure that
we have 100% certain
00:52:22.380 --> 00:52:25.810
of the efficacy of the
changes that are happening.
00:52:25.810 --> 00:52:28.846
And then what's the
impact on the work plan,
00:52:28.846 --> 00:52:31.610
such that we get a levelized work plan,
00:52:31.610 --> 00:52:34.190
and the changes are factored in
00:52:34.190 --> 00:52:35.620
in a more gradual fashion
00:52:35.620 --> 00:52:38.200
versus a big pivot that happened between
00:52:38.200 --> 00:52:42.210
the prior risk model
and this 2021 risk model.
00:52:42.210 --> 00:52:44.320
So that's one of the big changes that
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.310
I'll be taken to heart
and already incorporating
00:52:47.310 --> 00:52:48.753
and I walk into the process.
00:52:52.700 --> 00:52:53.533
Thank you.
00:52:57.860 --> 00:53:00.623
Nika I'll follow with a
question, this is Rachel.
00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:05.990
So I have a somewhat connected question.
00:53:05.990 --> 00:53:10.830
So we noticed in the
corrective action plan that
00:53:10.830 --> 00:53:15.730
the EDM work, the
miles plan for this year
00:53:15.730 --> 00:53:20.730
are phased to increase
towards the end of the year.
00:53:21.500 --> 00:53:24.510
So with fewer miles right now in summer,
00:53:24.510 --> 00:53:26.320
slight increase in the fall,
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:30.000
and then towards the end
of the year a large increase,
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:31.670
could you walk us through the thinking
00:53:31.670 --> 00:53:33.283
behind that strategy please?
00:53:36.550 --> 00:53:39.450
Thank you Executive
Director Peterson,
00:53:39.450 --> 00:53:43.460
the reason why the plan
was in effect the back loaded,
00:53:43.460 --> 00:53:46.730
was we made a pivot to the risk model,
00:53:46.730 --> 00:53:50.300
and we wanted to make
sure that as we made that pivot
00:53:50.300 --> 00:53:53.560
that first to the point
that has been raised,
00:53:53.560 --> 00:53:56.643
the communication of
that pivot took very clear.
00:53:58.636 --> 00:54:00.340
It was a very clear communication path
00:54:00.340 --> 00:54:03.550
to all of the entities
and the organizations
00:54:03.550 --> 00:54:05.683
we work extensively with contractors.
00:54:07.270 --> 00:54:11.100
In addition to that it
does require a ramp up
00:54:11.100 --> 00:54:14.400
to perform the EDM work safely.
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.920
It is a high risk work
and performance safely
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.410
and plan it out required
that we balance it
00:54:21.610 --> 00:54:25.907
and in effect create a
ramp for that work plan.
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.920
That said our goal was certainly to try
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.320
and do as much of the work as possible,
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:34.740
as quickly as possible.
00:54:34.740 --> 00:54:36.300
That is not to shy.
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:37.820
And I think as you will see
00:54:37.820 --> 00:54:40.783
in a later part of this presentation,
00:54:42.040 --> 00:54:45.010
Michael and the EBM execution team
00:54:45.010 --> 00:54:47.730
has moved to action very quickly
00:54:47.730 --> 00:54:51.200
to lessen the impact of the back-loading
00:54:51.200 --> 00:54:53.120
that we thought was gonna be in place
00:54:53.120 --> 00:54:57.170
when we applied the
EVN corrective action plan.
00:54:57.170 --> 00:55:02.170
Let me pause and ask Michael
for his perspective as well.
00:55:05.270 --> 00:55:06.103
Thank you Andrew.
00:55:06.103 --> 00:55:08.430
That was very accurate response.
00:55:08.430 --> 00:55:13.167
We wanna make sure when
we got the scope of work
00:55:14.090 --> 00:55:18.570
from Andrews's team that we
put together and thought through
00:55:18.570 --> 00:55:21.100
a schedule and a plan that ensured
00:55:21.100 --> 00:55:24.470
that we adhere to a one to N philosophy,
00:55:24.470 --> 00:55:27.090
and also that we had
qualified resources.
00:55:27.090 --> 00:55:29.170
So factoring in the fact
00:55:29.170 --> 00:55:31.953
that we need to bring
on qualified resources.
00:55:33.460 --> 00:55:37.523
That's what informed the
plan and in how we laid that out,
00:55:39.520 --> 00:55:42.210
we have been able to rent more quickly,
00:55:42.210 --> 00:55:45.880
you will see that as we
provide a progress update.
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.840
So we're looking to sustain that,
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:50.750
and we're confident
that we can sustain that
00:55:50.750 --> 00:55:55.750
and stay in front of
this back-loaded plan
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.250
to mitigate any risk
towards the end of the year.
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.400
One other item
Executive Director Peterson
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.770
I'd like to add on is,
00:56:08.770 --> 00:56:11.830
this is why I mentioned
that this is a lesson learned.
00:56:11.830 --> 00:56:14.763
So when you look at going into 2022,
00:56:14.763 --> 00:56:17.370
this is not what good looks
like at the end of the day
00:56:17.370 --> 00:56:19.483
to have this ramp effect,
00:56:20.330 --> 00:56:21.730
but also keep in mind
00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:25.340
in addition to the enhanced
vegetation management program,
00:56:25.340 --> 00:56:29.370
there's four other programs
that we're managing, right?
00:56:29.370 --> 00:56:33.330
Which is doing the work on
our transmission write aways,
00:56:33.330 --> 00:56:37.660
that's part of ensuring that
we have the clear cutbacks
00:56:37.660 --> 00:56:39.160
on the transmission write aways
00:56:39.160 --> 00:56:43.070
as part of our annual
compliance program,
00:56:43.070 --> 00:56:47.320
we have the same
on the distribution side.
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.480
And then we also have
a tree mortality program
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.250
where we're specifically going out
00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:53.560
and actively looking for
00:56:53.560 --> 00:56:56.030
potentially dead dying
and deceased trees.
00:56:56.030 --> 00:56:59.170
In addition to looking
for tree mortality
00:56:59.170 --> 00:57:00.780
as part of our compliance program,
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:03.750
we make another visit in
the high fire threat district.
00:57:03.750 --> 00:57:06.710
So every six months from
a touch point perspective,
00:57:06.710 --> 00:57:08.280
and that cadence may go up right,
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:10.920
as we see additional drought conditions
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.050
impact the greater part
of our service territory.
00:57:14.050 --> 00:57:16.770
And then we also have the
vegetation control program
00:57:16.770 --> 00:57:19.460
where we clear the base of the pole
00:57:19.460 --> 00:57:22.170
for the non-exempt equipment.
00:57:22.170 --> 00:57:24.530
So all of those programs are on track
00:57:24.530 --> 00:57:26.880
in terms of the schedule,
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.990
but going forward our intent
00:57:29.990 --> 00:57:31.760
is to have a more levelized work plan
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.090
with enhancement vegetation
management as well.
00:57:34.090 --> 00:57:38.270
And one of the primary
drivers was the delay,
00:57:38.270 --> 00:57:43.030
I would say in the year of
getting the risk model updated,
00:57:43.030 --> 00:57:46.670
getting it operational,
ensuring it was validating.
00:57:46.670 --> 00:57:49.620
And we saw a significant improvement
00:57:49.620 --> 00:57:51.630
in the risk prioritization
00:57:51.630 --> 00:57:53.960
and the capabilities we've brought in
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:55.920
from a machine learning perspective,
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.590
as well as the consequence dimensions
00:57:58.590 --> 00:58:01.310
that Paul spoke of with Technosylva,
00:58:01.310 --> 00:58:03.133
which were far superior
than the prior risk model
00:58:03.133 --> 00:58:04.270
that we had in place,
00:58:04.270 --> 00:58:06.270
which is why we felt it was prudent
00:58:06.270 --> 00:58:08.260
to put that into operation.
00:58:08.260 --> 00:58:11.120
And as Andrew also mentioned
those are the lessons learned,
00:58:11.120 --> 00:58:14.010
and we're already working on
some of those enhancements
00:58:14.010 --> 00:58:16.570
for the 2022 work plan now
00:58:16.570 --> 00:58:21.480
so we have a work plan
established by Q4 of this year,
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.770
so we can hit the ground
running at the first of the year,
00:58:24.770 --> 00:58:26.263
as opposed to in Q2.
00:58:27.667 --> 00:58:30.700
And that's really where we
found ourselves this year,
00:58:30.700 --> 00:58:32.820
but we have a high level of confidence
00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:35.989
that we're gonna be
able to meet the plan
00:58:35.989 --> 00:58:36.822
that we have submitted
00:58:36.822 --> 00:58:37.900
as part of the collective
action program,
00:58:37.900 --> 00:58:40.100
which Michael will
touch upon later as well.
00:58:43.430 --> 00:58:44.946
Thank you
00:58:44.946 --> 00:58:46.060
Thank you.
00:58:46.060 --> 00:58:47.560
Are there any other questions?
00:58:49.240 --> 00:58:50.440
Looks like (indistinct).
00:58:51.460 --> 00:58:54.763
Actually just a real quick
question and thank you.
00:58:56.260 --> 00:58:58.320
on the LIDAR mapping
00:58:59.300 --> 00:59:04.300
I think I've heard that 50% of
your charge rate was mapped,
00:59:05.680 --> 00:59:08.600
but I didn't catch what was going on
00:59:08.600 --> 00:59:10.943
to the other part of the charge line
00:59:10.943 --> 00:59:15.103
that it hasn't been LIDAR yet.
00:59:19.560 --> 00:59:20.600
Thank you for that question.
00:59:20.600 --> 00:59:24.170
What I referenced was
the ground-based LIDAR
00:59:24.170 --> 00:59:29.130
covered 60% of the miles that exist
00:59:29.130 --> 00:59:31.620
in high-five threat districts
00:59:31.620 --> 00:59:34.640
and that ground based LIDAR provided
00:59:34.640 --> 00:59:36.900
information about tree density,
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:39.720
which we wanted to
make sure we factored in.
00:59:39.720 --> 00:59:41.883
The other 30%, right?
00:59:43.037 --> 00:59:47.870
We either had inspection
data from that other 30%,
00:59:47.870 --> 00:59:51.140
or we infer based on
prior inspection data,
00:59:51.140 --> 00:59:54.987
what the tree density
is on the other 30%,
00:59:54.987 --> 00:59:58.270
but the reason why we could
not get the LIDAR data on that,
00:59:58.270 --> 01:00:00.730
because we are using ground-based LIDAR,
01:00:00.730 --> 01:00:05.730
which allows us to run the LIDAR
01:00:05.912 --> 01:00:09.283
via roadways that
exists in close proximity.
01:00:10.230 --> 01:00:13.470
The goal as we look
at it in future years
01:00:13.470 --> 01:00:16.410
is to try and figure
out how we could get
01:00:16.410 --> 01:00:20.220
LIDAR across the entire system.
01:00:20.220 --> 01:00:25.180
We also had aerial LIDAR in
some cases where we were able,
01:00:25.180 --> 01:00:27.890
but there are locations
where even the aerial LIDAR
01:00:27.890 --> 01:00:30.633
did not get the full portion.
01:00:31.640 --> 01:00:35.253
Sumeet you seem like you
wanna add something to that.
01:00:36.600 --> 01:00:38.720
Yeah. Just for
additional clarification,
01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:40.270
but thank you Andrew.
01:00:40.270 --> 01:00:42.810
The base level of beta set
Commissioner that's been used
01:00:42.810 --> 01:00:46.210
is the aerial based LIDAR
that we captured in 2019
01:00:47.270 --> 01:00:48.103
early part of 2020.
01:00:48.103 --> 01:00:51.250
And that's the same data
sets that we had discussed
01:00:51.250 --> 01:00:55.530
as part of the tree
overstride consideration
01:00:55.530 --> 01:00:58.470
for the PSPS decision-making criteria
01:00:58.470 --> 01:00:59.740
as part of a prior workshops.
01:00:59.740 --> 01:01:01.790
So that's the base level data set.
01:01:01.790 --> 01:01:04.250
And we did capture
that for a hundred percent
01:01:04.250 --> 01:01:06.710
of the distribution
high fire threat districts.
01:01:06.710 --> 01:01:09.760
And what Andrew is
speaking to there is that
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:13.090
there are known limitations
on the aerial based LIDAR,
01:01:13.090 --> 01:01:16.020
especially areas where
there's dense canopy
01:01:16.020 --> 01:01:19.110
of a potential under or over estimation
01:01:19.110 --> 01:01:21.580
of the number of strike potential trees.
01:01:21.580 --> 01:01:24.820
But that's been the primary data set.
01:01:24.820 --> 01:01:27.220
And then the field validation,
01:01:27.220 --> 01:01:29.550
which we speak of in the
collective action plan as well
01:01:29.550 --> 01:01:31.940
in regards to a regression analysis,
01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:35.450
that's where as a pre inspectors
put boots on the ground
01:01:35.450 --> 01:01:38.270
and identifies the number
of strikes potential trees
01:01:38.270 --> 01:01:40.840
as part of our enhanced
vegetation management program,
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.640
we compared the data set of aerial
01:01:43.640 --> 01:01:47.280
and the ground-based
inventory for 5,000 miles.
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.230
And we obviously
identified that in some cases,
01:01:49.230 --> 01:01:51.190
the aerial based LIDAR underestimated
01:01:51.190 --> 01:01:52.680
the strike potential trees.
01:01:52.680 --> 01:01:54.720
And we used our
regression analysis to apply
01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:56.860
for the balanced to 20,000.
01:01:56.860 --> 01:01:59.320
And then in some cases
where it made sense,
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:01.090
and we have the data available,
01:02:01.090 --> 01:02:02.470
we've leveraged ground-based as well,
01:02:02.470 --> 01:02:04.670
but the primary data source
was the aerial based LIDAR.
01:02:04.670 --> 01:02:06.513
So hopefully that's
a little bit more clear.
01:02:08.950 --> 01:02:09.783
Thank you.
01:02:12.010 --> 01:02:14.530
Okay, for the sake of time,
01:02:14.530 --> 01:02:17.410
I think we should move
along to the next presentation.
01:02:17.410 --> 01:02:19.610
I'm trying to stick within
the 20 minute timeframe
01:02:19.610 --> 01:02:21.630
that we have allowed
for each of the ones.
01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:23.843
Again, this is a pretty
ambitious agenda,
01:02:25.470 --> 01:02:28.167
so I'll turn it over to Sumeet
01:02:28.167 --> 01:02:30.193
for the next presenter from PG&E.
01:02:33.185 --> 01:02:35.857
Thank you. I believe
it's Michael Ritter.
01:02:37.680 --> 01:02:40.160
Thank you. So we'll be
covering that EVM scope
01:02:40.160 --> 01:02:42.500
and our progress to date.
01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:44.763
Can you proceed to
the next slide, please?
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.530
What we're showing
here is an excerpt from
01:02:52.530 --> 01:02:57.530
in essence, the one to N
ranked scope of EVM for 2021,
01:02:58.600 --> 01:03:02.773
which provides us
circuits one through 99.
01:03:02.773 --> 01:03:05.220
I just wanted to walk
you through the content
01:03:05.220 --> 01:03:07.020
that we have here.
01:03:07.020 --> 01:03:09.823
So on the left, we
have the circuit name,
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:14.483
example for the first row
is the RIO DELL 1102.
01:03:15.994 --> 01:03:19.123
And we break it down
into circuit protection zones.
01:03:20.350 --> 01:03:22.460
And in essence a circuit protection zone
01:03:22.460 --> 01:03:27.033
is a section of the circuit
that can be isolated.
01:03:28.890 --> 01:03:31.760
And then we capture the number of miles
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.620
that fall within that
circuit protection zone.
01:03:34.620 --> 01:03:38.033
In this example, 22.8 miles.
01:03:39.220 --> 01:03:41.630
And based on our discussion previously
01:03:41.630 --> 01:03:43.870
on the LIDAR modeling that occurred,
01:03:43.870 --> 01:03:46.940
we have a forecast of
the number of strike trees
01:03:46.940 --> 01:03:50.373
to be worked in this
instance, a little over 4,200.
01:03:51.950 --> 01:03:53.550
Then we have what's been discussed
01:03:53.550 --> 01:03:56.190
from our risk modeling discussion
01:03:56.190 --> 01:03:59.753
is the tree weighted risk score,
01:04:00.820 --> 01:04:05.200
which results in the
tree weighted ranking.
01:04:05.200 --> 01:04:07.300
So what you see the
circuit that we talked about,
01:04:07.300 --> 01:04:08.860
this is a top ranked circuit
01:04:10.590 --> 01:04:15.410
and is our top priority to be worked.
01:04:15.410 --> 01:04:20.133
And so when we talk about
circuits one through 99,
01:04:22.370 --> 01:04:26.073
this represents the 2,422 miles.
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.840
And we have a forecast of
approximately 170,000 trees
01:04:33.070 --> 01:04:33.903
to be worked.
01:04:33.903 --> 01:04:38.133
That's an estimate based
on our LIDAR modeling.
01:04:39.690 --> 01:04:42.480
If you think about the first 1800 miles,
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.330
that would be circuits one through 76,
01:04:45.330 --> 01:04:48.100
obviously that would be where our focus
01:04:48.100 --> 01:04:49.453
would reside initially.
01:04:51.690 --> 01:04:52.630
So I wanted to pause,
01:04:52.630 --> 01:04:55.213
okay, so we're not pausing
for questions just yet.
01:04:56.270 --> 01:05:00.463
So I will move then to our
update on our progress.
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:04.690
So if you can move to the next slide.
01:05:04.690 --> 01:05:05.883
Perfect. Thank you.
01:05:06.770 --> 01:05:08.550
So before I dive into the contents here,
01:05:08.550 --> 01:05:12.470
I just wanted to set a little context on
01:05:12.470 --> 01:05:14.540
how we progress with our work.
01:05:14.540 --> 01:05:17.320
So there are in essence
three phases to the work
01:05:18.520 --> 01:05:21.360
for enhanced vegetation
management program,
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:26.360
we send qualified individuals
out to perform pre-inspection.
01:05:26.420 --> 01:05:27.900
As they patrol the circuit,
01:05:27.900 --> 01:05:31.163
they identify work that
needs to be performed.
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.260
That then is stored in our GIS system
01:05:39.220 --> 01:05:41.350
to GIS based system.
01:05:41.350 --> 01:05:45.100
That work is then dispatch
with vegetation points
01:05:45.100 --> 01:05:46.360
to tree crews.
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:49.190
Those tree crews will go out and perform
01:05:49.190 --> 01:05:51.330
that prescribed work.
01:05:51.330 --> 01:05:53.840
And then for our enhanced
vegetation management program,
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:58.040
we perform 100% work verification.
01:05:58.040 --> 01:06:01.140
So we will send out work verification
01:06:01.140 --> 01:06:04.420
to perform a patrol and
ensure that the scope
01:06:04.420 --> 01:06:07.810
of our enhanced vegetation
management was met.
01:06:07.810 --> 01:06:12.490
So those are the three
steps that we talk about.
01:06:12.490 --> 01:06:14.150
Now, I wanna move to the slide
01:06:14.150 --> 01:06:16.050
and direct you to the top here,
01:06:16.050 --> 01:06:17.770
where it shows our progress.
01:06:17.770 --> 01:06:22.260
On the left we show just under 715 miles
01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:23.670
that is in progress,
01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:27.850
meaning that it is either
with our pre inspectors
01:06:27.850 --> 01:06:30.343
or with our tree crews performing work.
01:06:32.670 --> 01:06:36.670
The next category in this chart is
01:06:36.670 --> 01:06:38.420
in our work verification queue.
01:06:38.420 --> 01:06:41.793
And on this particular day
which was the 21st of June,
01:06:44.310 --> 01:06:49.310
earlier this week we had 23.6
miles that was in the queue
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:52.583
for our work verifiers
to go out and patrol.
01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:56.800
Our work verified miles.
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.510
The miles that we count as complete
01:06:59.510 --> 01:07:03.963
as of 21, June just under 543 miles.
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:09.350
What we show in total is
that we have either completed
01:07:09.350 --> 01:07:14.350
or are actively working
1,281 miles as of that date.
01:07:21.340 --> 01:07:23.453
Moving down to the lower left here,
01:07:24.370 --> 01:07:28.200
what we track and we
look at this on a daily basis.
01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:31.310
I wanted to provide
this view to all of you
01:07:31.310 --> 01:07:36.040
is we have broken down the
work that we have completed
01:07:36.040 --> 01:07:37.433
by risk tranches.
01:07:38.830 --> 01:07:41.080
And hopefully this is
large enough for you to see,
01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:42.240
but I'll walk through it a little bit
01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:43.433
just so you understand.
01:07:44.310 --> 01:07:49.310
So the first row here, the
3% that represents our plan,
01:07:49.850 --> 01:07:52.083
our top 99 CPZs.
01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:58.793
Okay.
01:08:00.030 --> 01:08:03.440
And what it shows is
that just under 450 miles
01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:07.813
has have been completed
within the top 3%.
01:08:10.040 --> 01:08:13.840
And within the top 10%,
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:15.320
and this is accumulative view
01:08:16.310 --> 01:08:20.410
in the top 10% our total is 493 miles
01:08:20.410 --> 01:08:22.840
in the top 10% by risk.
01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:25.360
So that actually represents 92%
01:08:25.360 --> 01:08:28.993
of our total completed
mileage within the top 10%.
01:08:29.946 --> 01:08:32.320
And our total is down below.
01:08:32.320 --> 01:08:34.100
You will see that there are some miles
01:08:34.100 --> 01:08:36.960
that fall into other risk troches.
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.790
And there are a number
of reasons for this.
01:08:39.790 --> 01:08:42.130
The first as we mentioned is
we have some commitments
01:08:42.130 --> 01:08:44.800
that fall outside that were reviewed
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.850
by our wildfire risk
governance steering committee
01:08:46.850 --> 01:08:48.740
and approved for work.
01:08:48.740 --> 01:08:51.300
The other is an item that
we've highlighted already,
01:08:51.300 --> 01:08:54.400
we started the year
on a different risk model
01:08:55.630 --> 01:08:57.597
we migrated to a new risk model.
01:08:57.597 --> 01:09:00.510
And so that represents
some of the other miles
01:09:00.510 --> 01:09:03.780
that were already work
that was in progress
01:09:03.780 --> 01:09:04.933
and was completed.
01:09:07.010 --> 01:09:08.620
What I wanted to
highlight in the lower right,
01:09:08.620 --> 01:09:10.950
is another area that
we track and is really
01:09:10.950 --> 01:09:13.420
one of the main drivers
for why we included
01:09:13.420 --> 01:09:16.773
a total of 2,400 miles in the plan.
01:09:17.980 --> 01:09:22.390
We show a number of miles captured,
01:09:22.390 --> 01:09:26.650
as our work progresses we
identify what we call refusals.
01:09:26.650 --> 01:09:31.520
So these are areas where
we have contacted a customer
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.040
and they have refused the work,
01:09:34.040 --> 01:09:35.920
and we continue to
work through a process
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:36.910
with that customer.
01:09:36.910 --> 01:09:40.180
That would show up in this table here.
01:09:40.180 --> 01:09:42.970
That's a very large
minority of our work.
01:09:42.970 --> 01:09:47.490
Currently the data represents
approximately five miles.
01:09:47.490 --> 01:09:50.520
Then we have a population
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:53.490
that is constrained vegetation points.
01:09:53.490 --> 01:09:55.840
These are areas where
we've either identified
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.040
that the work here
exists in a riparian area,
01:09:59.040 --> 01:10:01.347
that we have additional
environmental permitting to conduct
01:10:01.347 --> 01:10:05.323
and we're working with
Cal Trans on a permit.
01:10:06.470 --> 01:10:08.840
Doesn't mean we're
not gonna do this work
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:10.040
we've just captured it here.
01:10:10.040 --> 01:10:11.260
We continue to track it.
01:10:11.260 --> 01:10:13.910
We track it and
working on a daily basis,
01:10:13.910 --> 01:10:16.300
but it currently sits in
this constrained category
01:10:16.300 --> 01:10:18.530
until we can work through the process
01:10:18.530 --> 01:10:21.197
to get approval to move forward.
01:10:21.197 --> 01:10:25.530
The total constrained
miles to date is 157 miles.
01:10:25.530 --> 01:10:28.530
I do wanna highlight that this mileage
01:10:28.530 --> 01:10:31.120
and the miles that
are represented in here
01:10:31.120 --> 01:10:32.680
fluctuates throughout the year
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.120
as we encounter new constraints,
01:10:36.120 --> 01:10:37.460
or we work through constraints
01:10:37.460 --> 01:10:41.346
to get that in the hands
of our work group crews
01:10:41.346 --> 01:10:42.543
to perform the work.
01:10:48.817 --> 01:10:52.950
So I believe this covers
elements three and four.
01:10:52.950 --> 01:10:55.330
Great do we
have any questions?
01:10:55.330 --> 01:10:57.380
So we'll
pause for questions.
01:11:03.809 --> 01:11:04.726
Question,
01:11:06.392 --> 01:11:08.850
President Batjer do you
have a question now?
01:11:08.850 --> 01:11:10.517
Before to you first.
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:17.303
Okay. I'll go ahead.
01:11:20.553 --> 01:11:23.073
So in the progress
to date it's 542.9 miles
01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:27.970
work verified
01:11:29.830 --> 01:11:34.830
just in three seconds just
describe what happened.
01:11:34.990 --> 01:11:38.723
You got a contractor
and you got an arborist.
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:44.680
Are there hand held tablets,
pictures, you know what I mean.
01:11:47.020 --> 01:11:49.290
How is this verification done?
01:11:51.165 --> 01:11:53.310
Sure. I'm happy to
walk you through that.
01:11:53.310 --> 01:11:56.050
So we have a system,
01:11:56.050 --> 01:11:59.910
a platform that we use is
called the RGIS system.
01:11:59.910 --> 01:12:02.490
It's an earthly based system.
01:12:02.490 --> 01:12:05.193
It is access by a mobile device.
01:12:06.510 --> 01:12:08.330
And so when our patrollers go out,
01:12:08.330 --> 01:12:13.330
they have the circuit
laid out in front of them
01:12:13.730 --> 01:12:17.700
that tells them what sections
have been assigned to them.
01:12:17.700 --> 01:12:19.603
As they walk that circuit.
01:12:22.276 --> 01:12:25.097
They are inventorying all of the trees
01:12:27.150 --> 01:12:28.810
with strike potential.
01:12:28.810 --> 01:12:31.560
And so each time they inventory a tree,
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.120
they assess that tree using
a tool we have developed
01:12:35.120 --> 01:12:36.720
called the tree assessment tool.
01:12:38.030 --> 01:12:39.150
They dropped that veg point,
01:12:39.150 --> 01:12:42.720
they go through that assessment
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:46.430
and they determine if that
tree needs to be abated
01:12:46.430 --> 01:12:49.453
based on the criteria laid out
in the tree assessment tool.
01:12:50.490 --> 01:12:52.980
Some of the items within
that assessment tool are,
01:12:52.980 --> 01:12:54.963
does it has have excessive lien.
01:12:55.930 --> 01:13:00.930
Does it have any uplifting
of the root structure?
01:13:04.210 --> 01:13:06.980
Are there any defects
identified on the tree?
01:13:06.980 --> 01:13:08.850
Are there any rotting bodies on the tree
01:13:08.850 --> 01:13:11.740
that would show signs
of stress with that tree?
01:13:11.740 --> 01:13:13.663
They inspect the foliage of the tree,
01:13:14.650 --> 01:13:16.910
is there a significant leaf
browning or leaf drop?
01:13:16.910 --> 01:13:20.870
All of those things are
then used to determine
01:13:20.870 --> 01:13:22.830
if that tree needs to be abated.
01:13:22.830 --> 01:13:25.773
And so at the end of a
veg point assessment,
01:13:27.200 --> 01:13:28.520
it will either result in
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:30.620
this is a tree that's been inventoried
01:13:30.620 --> 01:13:32.713
or it's a tree that needs to be abated.
01:13:33.620 --> 01:13:35.120
And it's logged in that system
01:13:35.120 --> 01:13:39.290
and then when the work is
dispatched to a tree crew,
01:13:39.290 --> 01:13:42.317
they will be looking at the
work that needs to be done.
01:13:42.317 --> 01:13:45.120
And the work comes in
trees that need to be abated
01:13:45.120 --> 01:13:48.700
and then establishing
that four foot clearance
01:13:48.700 --> 01:13:50.600
of conductors to the sky.
01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:54.020
So in essence, eliminating the overhang.
01:13:54.020 --> 01:13:55.453
Did that answer your question?
01:13:57.700 --> 01:14:00.260
Yeah. That helped me visualize
01:14:01.610 --> 01:14:05.450
what happens to the interview and-
01:14:05.450 --> 01:14:07.022
Thank you for your question.
01:14:07.022 --> 01:14:09.110
that's networking it goes
to the massive database
01:14:09.110 --> 01:14:11.783
and so forth with GPS and so forth.
01:14:13.300 --> 01:14:14.133
Correct.
01:14:14.133 --> 01:14:15.303
All right. Thank you.
01:14:18.230 --> 01:14:20.080
Executive Director Peterson.
01:14:21.350 --> 01:14:22.320
Thank you, Nika.
01:14:22.320 --> 01:14:24.950
So I could use some help understanding
01:14:24.950 --> 01:14:27.600
the chart at the lower left here.
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.980
And what concerns me is one thing
01:14:30.980 --> 01:14:35.310
that the Commission
discussed in its analysis
01:14:35.310 --> 01:14:40.050
in the resolution, which
is the use of resources,
01:14:41.350 --> 01:14:45.020
the deployment of PG&E
on the ground resources
01:14:45.020 --> 01:14:50.020
to the highest risk
areas got diluted in 2020
01:14:51.020 --> 01:14:56.010
by not prioritizing
sufficiently, according to risk.
01:14:56.010 --> 01:15:00.680
And so crews literally
were working on circuits
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:02.840
that were not high risk,
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:05.330
and I'm having trouble understanding
01:15:05.330 --> 01:15:07.600
the chart at the lower left
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:12.360
and how PG&E is
appropriately or not appropriately
01:15:12.360 --> 01:15:14.493
allocating it's on the ground crews.
01:15:15.330 --> 01:15:20.300
Right now it looks like the
work is almost evenly split
01:15:20.300 --> 01:15:24.300
between high-risk and not
high risk circuit protection zone.
01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:26.787
So can you walk us through that please?
01:15:26.787 --> 01:15:27.620
Sure.
01:15:27.620 --> 01:15:29.870
I think one of them is
just a clarification point.
01:15:29.870 --> 01:15:34.870
So if I capture the top two rows,
01:15:36.145 --> 01:15:39.673
the less than 3%, which is
our circuits one through 99,
01:15:40.830 --> 01:15:43.823
and then the top 10%.
01:15:45.350 --> 01:15:50.243
The 449 miles is a subset of the 493,
01:15:51.780 --> 01:15:53.120
so hopefully that makes sense.
01:15:53.120 --> 01:15:57.240
Which means that to
date 82% of all the work
01:15:57.240 --> 01:16:00.960
that we have performed
to date is in the top 3%
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.470
and going forward it will be exclusively
01:16:04.470 --> 01:16:08.480
within that top 3%
with the only exception
01:16:08.480 --> 01:16:10.660
being those commitments we reviewed.
01:16:10.660 --> 01:16:14.240
And I can tell you that the
commitments that we reviewed
01:16:14.240 --> 01:16:16.380
in the wildfire risk
governance steering committee
01:16:16.380 --> 01:16:18.590
represent 62 miles.
01:16:18.590 --> 01:16:20.040
So it's a very small subset
01:16:20.040 --> 01:16:23.543
when we look at the entire
1800 mile commitment.
01:16:24.500 --> 01:16:26.480
Did that help answer your question?
01:16:26.480 --> 01:16:30.740
I do have additional
content that I wanna share
01:16:30.740 --> 01:16:34.480
and we'll get to around
how we on a daily basis
01:16:34.480 --> 01:16:36.810
talk about the work that we have,
01:16:36.810 --> 01:16:40.140
how we track that work and manage it
01:16:40.140 --> 01:16:42.280
to make sure that the resources
01:16:43.480 --> 01:16:46.780
are adhering to our
schedule and to our plan
01:16:46.780 --> 01:16:48.080
and are on the right word.
01:16:49.280 --> 01:16:52.260
So I will definitely be diving
into that in more depth,
01:16:52.260 --> 01:16:54.943
but I appreciate your
focus and I share it.
01:16:55.873 --> 01:16:59.450
I am committed to getting
this high risk work done,
01:16:59.450 --> 01:17:00.283
so thank you.
01:17:01.540 --> 01:17:03.990
Thank you Michael,
that's a helpful clarification.
01:17:03.990 --> 01:17:06.790
And so yes, this is definitely gonna be
01:17:06.790 --> 01:17:08.550
a recurring theme of our questions.
01:17:08.550 --> 01:17:11.600
And I know address it more
in depth later in the workshop.
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:12.433
Thank you.
01:17:13.460 --> 01:17:14.293
Thank you.
01:17:15.240 --> 01:17:17.120
Just one other item to add to that
01:17:18.160 --> 01:17:20.130
Executive Director Peterson is,
01:17:20.130 --> 01:17:25.130
We have visibility as Michael
discussed in the prior slide
01:17:27.040 --> 01:17:30.200
to the respective
circuit section, right?
01:17:30.200 --> 01:17:33.053
Which correlates to a
geographic location in the field,
01:17:33.990 --> 01:17:36.630
the risk ranking of that circuit, right,
01:17:36.630 --> 01:17:38.920
which is the top one through 99
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.840
that make up the 2,422 miles.
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.700
That's the tranche of
work that's been allocated
01:17:44.700 --> 01:17:46.850
to our contract crews.
01:17:46.850 --> 01:17:50.130
And I'll talk a little bit
more about this in my
01:17:50.130 --> 01:17:52.070
verification element,
01:17:52.070 --> 01:17:57.070
but the 2422 is a portfolio
of circuit protection zones,
01:17:57.890 --> 01:17:59.960
which is one through 99.
01:17:59.960 --> 01:18:02.500
And when you look at where
that work has to get done
01:18:02.500 --> 01:18:04.370
within our service territory,
01:18:04.370 --> 01:18:07.540
some of that may be in Butte County,
01:18:07.540 --> 01:18:09.280
another one may be in Nevada County.
01:18:09.280 --> 01:18:11.340
I'm just using that as an example.
01:18:11.340 --> 01:18:14.420
So we have different crews
and different supervisors
01:18:14.420 --> 01:18:17.210
that are providing
oversight of that work,
01:18:17.210 --> 01:18:22.110
but that work plan that's
getting assigned now is top down.
01:18:22.110 --> 01:18:26.330
So that the keys to that plan
01:18:26.330 --> 01:18:30.097
are within the wildfire risk
governance steering committee.
01:18:30.097 --> 01:18:32.507
And that's basically, what's
getting measured as well
01:18:32.507 --> 01:18:35.090
and is a progress that's getting made.
01:18:35.090 --> 01:18:39.000
Which specific circuit section
that work is getting done in.
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.610
And is that, or is that
not the highest risk
01:18:41.610 --> 01:18:43.030
because that's the work
that's getting assigned.
01:18:43.030 --> 01:18:46.000
So there's a lot more focused rigor
01:18:47.120 --> 01:18:50.360
and diligence than we've ever had before
01:18:50.360 --> 01:18:51.713
in terms of the execution.
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:00.930
I'm not seeing
any other hands raised
01:19:00.930 --> 01:19:04.403
so I think we can move
on to the next presentation.
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:14.890
Thank you, Nika,
so I will keep this up.
01:19:14.890 --> 01:19:19.073
So this section specifically addresses
01:19:20.820 --> 01:19:23.480
the officer verification,
01:19:23.480 --> 01:19:26.310
the coordination and communication.
01:19:26.310 --> 01:19:28.640
I know this question came up in terms of
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.350
the communication to field personnel,
01:19:31.350 --> 01:19:33.540
which Caroline mentioned as well,
01:19:33.540 --> 01:19:38.160
Commissioners mentioned
as a gap from 2020.
01:19:38.160 --> 01:19:40.280
So if we go to the next slide,
01:19:40.280 --> 01:19:45.280
I'm gonna take this
in two different slides.
01:19:46.150 --> 01:19:48.640
So the first slide really addresses
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:53.640
the individuals who verified
these elements was myself.
01:19:54.780 --> 01:19:57.030
I had the privilege of doing that,
01:19:57.030 --> 01:20:00.520
the four specific elements
that are identified here,
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.920
speak to if there were any changes
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:08.041
to the wildfire consequences
or vegetation models
01:20:08.041 --> 01:20:12.000
in the last or the next 90 days.
01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:15.810
So the plan and the methodology
that Andrew walked through,
01:20:15.810 --> 01:20:18.480
which was the basis of what we submitted
01:20:18.480 --> 01:20:22.330
as part of the collective
action plan on May 6th,
01:20:22.330 --> 01:20:26.960
we do not see that risk model
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.670
for any changes occurring in 2021.
01:20:30.670 --> 01:20:33.960
So that plan is static,
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:38.190
including the inputs that
have helped formulate
01:20:38.190 --> 01:20:43.020
the prioritization of the one
through 99 circuit sections
01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:44.593
that Michael walked through.
01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:49.010
The second element is
really around the risk model,
01:20:49.010 --> 01:20:51.980
the data sets, and the
records that were used
01:20:51.980 --> 01:20:54.930
to prioritize the enhanced
vegetation management alignment.
01:20:56.090 --> 01:20:58.070
And what Paul walked through
01:20:58.070 --> 01:21:02.650
those are a fixed set of data inputs
01:21:02.650 --> 01:21:06.340
that have formulated
the risk informed plan.
01:21:06.340 --> 01:21:10.370
And many of the data
elements here came from
01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:12.883
either our aerial LIDAR, right?
01:21:13.950 --> 01:21:17.810
And the remote sensing
information from Technosylva,
01:21:17.810 --> 01:21:20.830
which obviously we
discussed previously as well,
01:21:20.830 --> 01:21:24.290
entity that other IOUs in California
01:21:24.290 --> 01:21:26.140
and even Cal Fire is looking at
01:21:26.140 --> 01:21:29.750
as part of the wildfire spread
consequences implications.
01:21:29.750 --> 01:21:33.170
So those were all of the
different data attributes
01:21:33.170 --> 01:21:37.330
that helped formulate the
input to the wildfire risk model,
01:21:37.330 --> 01:21:41.870
which then was the input
to the risk informed 2021
01:21:41.870 --> 01:21:43.820
enhancement vegetation management plan.
01:21:44.980 --> 01:21:47.810
The item 10 on targeting
the substantial majority
01:21:47.810 --> 01:21:49.920
of the EVM work to the highest risks
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:52.170
circuit section in the next 90 days.
01:21:52.170 --> 01:21:56.400
If you look at the crews in the field
01:21:56.400 --> 01:21:57.733
that are doing the work,
01:21:58.580 --> 01:22:03.580
they're focused on those
top one through 99 CPZs,
01:22:03.670 --> 01:22:07.390
and actually furthermore,
it's one through 76,
01:22:07.390 --> 01:22:08.630
which Michael alluded to,
01:22:08.630 --> 01:22:11.390
which is the top 1500 miles.
01:22:11.390 --> 01:22:14.160
And then obviously
the additional 62 miles
01:22:14.160 --> 01:22:15.700
that don't fall into that category
01:22:15.700 --> 01:22:17.850
as a result of the commitments.
01:22:17.850 --> 01:22:20.920
a good example that
Michael alluded to earlier
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:24.250
on things like limitations
of nesting season
01:22:24.250 --> 01:22:26.290
on permits that have taken 18 months
01:22:26.290 --> 01:22:28.370
for us to be able to get or more,
01:22:28.370 --> 01:22:30.853
which we're continuing
to do the work on.
01:22:31.750 --> 01:22:33.160
And then the last item here
01:22:33.160 --> 01:22:35.040
is ensuring that we're
continuing to target
01:22:35.040 --> 01:22:36.317
the substantial majority of the work
01:22:36.317 --> 01:22:39.860
and the highest resection
in the last 90 days
01:22:39.860 --> 01:22:43.780
and as Michael showed
in that prior chart,
01:22:43.780 --> 01:22:47.180
82% of the work was
done within the top 3%
01:22:47.180 --> 01:22:50.253
or the one through 99 circuit section.
01:22:51.190 --> 01:22:54.870
And that's gonna be
continue to be the approach
01:22:54.870 --> 01:22:56.880
for the work allocation.
01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:58.940
There's a couple of different methods
01:22:58.940 --> 01:23:02.840
and processes that
are used and relied on
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:05.130
from a verification perspective.
01:23:05.130 --> 01:23:06.140
The first is
01:23:06.140 --> 01:23:08.100
the wildfire risk governance
steering committee.
01:23:08.100 --> 01:23:11.390
And as I shared in the opening remarks,
01:23:11.390 --> 01:23:13.410
I chair that committee.
01:23:13.410 --> 01:23:15.370
I'm engaged with all the decision making
01:23:15.370 --> 01:23:18.810
that's occurring along
with the cross-functional
01:23:18.810 --> 01:23:20.410
steering committee members.
01:23:20.410 --> 01:23:24.630
And that's where we
discuss the level of detail
01:23:24.630 --> 01:23:27.555
on the factors what's going into
01:23:27.555 --> 01:23:29.700
the risk informed plans.
01:23:29.700 --> 01:23:34.700
So that's one avenue that
is a source of my verification.
01:23:36.530 --> 01:23:38.750
The second source of verification
01:23:38.750 --> 01:23:40.340
is the last bullet on
the right-hand side
01:23:40.340 --> 01:23:42.080
on daily operating reviews.
01:23:42.080 --> 01:23:44.920
So I had previously
mentioned that we have
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:46.910
now as part of a lean operating system,
01:23:46.910 --> 01:23:50.360
we have 46 daily operating
reviews that we conduct
01:23:50.360 --> 01:23:52.390
just in the vegetation
management organization
01:23:52.390 --> 01:23:54.700
from supervisors all the way up
01:23:54.700 --> 01:23:58.640
to regional managers, to
directors, to Michael's level,
01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:00.230
to my level within the organization
01:24:00.230 --> 01:24:02.320
where we're monitoring and tracking
01:24:02.320 --> 01:24:05.340
all the wildfire execution
work that's occurring,
01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:07.790
including enhanced
vegetation management.
01:24:07.790 --> 01:24:10.500
So that the type of
dashboard that Michael shared
01:24:10.500 --> 01:24:12.500
is reviewed on a daily basis
01:24:12.500 --> 01:24:14.770
at all levels within the organization
01:24:14.770 --> 01:24:17.170
to ensure that we're tracking against
01:24:17.170 --> 01:24:18.920
the risk informed plan.
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:23.850
And then the third element
that I rely on is internal audit.
01:24:23.850 --> 01:24:26.650
This is a group within PG&E,
01:24:26.650 --> 01:24:29.740
but it does not report directly to me.
01:24:29.740 --> 01:24:31.570
It reports to our CFO,
01:24:31.570 --> 01:24:34.510
so it's kind of a independent entity
01:24:34.510 --> 01:24:39.510
outside of our wildfire
risk execution organization.
01:24:39.610 --> 01:24:42.900
And they have performed
obviously an audit
01:24:42.900 --> 01:24:45.220
of the plan that we submitted
01:24:45.220 --> 01:24:48.120
as part of the enhanced
vegetation management program.
01:24:48.120 --> 01:24:52.350
And that was key input
in terms of observations,
01:24:52.350 --> 01:24:56.170
findings, which were
closed out and incorporated
01:24:56.170 --> 01:24:59.240
before we submitted the final plan.
01:24:59.240 --> 01:25:03.753
That addresses
elements 7, 9, 10, and 11.
01:25:04.952 --> 01:25:08.710
And if we go to the
next slide in regards to,
01:25:08.710 --> 01:25:11.127
I'm sorry, I'll pause President Batjer.
01:25:20.210 --> 01:25:21.043
I'm sorry President Batjer.
01:25:21.043 --> 01:25:23.940
President Batjer
We can't hear you.
01:25:23.940 --> 01:25:25.090
Not able to hear you.
01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.650
Did you want to type
your question in the chat,
01:25:40.650 --> 01:25:41.483
that's helpful.
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:45.523
Or send it to me I'll ask it.
01:25:59.989 --> 01:26:03.810
Do you want me to
continue with Nika?
01:26:03.810 --> 01:26:05.010
Yes, please do.
01:26:06.200 --> 01:26:09.393
Okay. So in
regards to element 12,
01:26:10.320 --> 01:26:14.600
this is related to the
communication of the information
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:16.810
and the internal decisions
01:26:16.810 --> 01:26:19.440
regarding the 2021 project list,
01:26:19.440 --> 01:26:21.730
and then ensuring our
personnel are aware
01:26:21.730 --> 01:26:23.730
of where to target the work
01:26:23.730 --> 01:26:27.210
for enhanced vegetation
management program.
01:26:27.210 --> 01:26:32.210
So a lot of this is core to
the lean operating system
01:26:34.040 --> 01:26:35.710
and the daily operating
reviews that we're doing.
01:26:35.710 --> 01:26:36.550
As I mentioned again,
01:26:36.550 --> 01:26:39.120
think about those 46
daily operating reviews
01:26:39.120 --> 01:26:40.290
as kind of the tentacles
01:26:40.290 --> 01:26:42.860
within the vegetation
management organization,
01:26:42.860 --> 01:26:45.897
where we take the 2422 miles,
01:26:45.897 --> 01:26:47.100
and we've already done this,
01:26:47.100 --> 01:26:50.560
allocated it by region
to five different regions
01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:53.610
across our execution teams
within veg management.
01:26:53.610 --> 01:26:56.200
Then within those regions
we have sub regions
01:26:56.200 --> 01:27:00.600
and each of those teams gets a target
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:03.360
that's established and assigned to them,
01:27:03.360 --> 01:27:06.960
which they're monitoring
against on a daily basis.
01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.310
And all of that then gets rolled up
01:27:09.310 --> 01:27:11.650
on a daily basis to see how we're doing
01:27:11.650 --> 01:27:16.590
against that master
plan of the 2422 miles.
01:27:16.590 --> 01:27:21.590
So that's the key element
is where we've been able to
01:27:22.220 --> 01:27:25.610
open up the two way
communication channels
01:27:25.610 --> 01:27:27.150
from a top-down perspective
01:27:27.150 --> 01:27:29.600
as well as a bottoms up perspective,
01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:32.510
because that's where
there's been a gap previously.
01:27:32.510 --> 01:27:35.400
Where on the top down we had an intent,
01:27:35.400 --> 01:27:37.080
but from a bottoms up perspective,
01:27:37.080 --> 01:27:40.750
we didn't have good visibility
or controls to substantiate
01:27:40.750 --> 01:27:43.690
that the intent and
spirit of every aspect
01:27:43.690 --> 01:27:46.150
of the plan was being met.
01:27:46.150 --> 01:27:48.490
And then if there's any
concerns that are raised
01:27:48.490 --> 01:27:51.200
as to why work cannot be executed,
01:27:51.200 --> 01:27:53.650
that's been identified
such as the examples
01:27:53.650 --> 01:27:56.090
that Michael shared in regards to
01:27:56.090 --> 01:27:59.310
customer refusals or
long lead time permits,
01:27:59.310 --> 01:28:02.680
that's identified at that section level.
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.170
And then that escalated
01:28:04.170 --> 01:28:06.410
at the right level
within the organization
01:28:06.410 --> 01:28:09.880
so we can bring to bear the
right cross functional teams,
01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:12.810
including our environmental
and land subject matter experts
01:28:12.810 --> 01:28:16.810
to engage with the
agencies in that capacity
01:28:16.810 --> 01:28:18.210
so that we can address the issues
01:28:18.210 --> 01:28:20.060
as well as our customer care team
01:28:20.060 --> 01:28:22.330
to engage in the right
way with our customers
01:28:22.330 --> 01:28:24.210
on addressing the refusals.
01:28:24.210 --> 01:28:28.230
So we can get to the
point of aligning on the risk
01:28:28.230 --> 01:28:29.380
of that respective tree
01:28:29.380 --> 01:28:32.810
and proceeding with abating
that tree as Michael mentioned.
01:28:32.810 --> 01:28:37.790
So going forward as we submit
the 90 day progress reports,
01:28:37.790 --> 01:28:40.560
I will be personally verifying,
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:43.210
the information in those reports
01:28:43.210 --> 01:28:45.440
and attesting to those just as I did
01:28:45.440 --> 01:28:47.790
the corrective action
plan that we submitted.
01:28:47.790 --> 01:28:50.060
And then again the process of relying on
01:28:50.060 --> 01:28:51.750
is our daily offering review,
01:28:51.750 --> 01:28:54.810
as well as the independent verification
01:28:54.810 --> 01:28:56.860
from our internal audit team
01:28:56.860 --> 01:29:00.490
to validate all of the
numbers and the information
01:29:00.490 --> 01:29:03.490
that's gonna be core
to the progress reports
01:29:03.490 --> 01:29:05.330
that we submit first
of which is August 6th.
01:29:05.330 --> 01:29:09.470
So I'll pause there Nika
and take any questions.
01:29:09.470 --> 01:29:12.456
And I don't know if we are able to hear
01:29:12.456 --> 01:29:13.870
President Batjer as well now,
01:29:13.870 --> 01:29:15.363
but I'll turn it back to you.
01:29:17.710 --> 01:29:18.590
Thank you.
01:29:18.590 --> 01:29:21.340
I'm not seeing any
hand raised in the chat.
01:29:21.340 --> 01:29:23.370
Does anyone have any questions?
01:29:23.370 --> 01:29:26.223
Commissioners, Executive
Director Peterson?
01:29:30.450 --> 01:29:31.363
Commission staff?
01:29:35.400 --> 01:29:38.303
Okay. I see a one
question from Lana Tron.
01:29:43.182 --> 01:29:45.850
(indistinct)
01:29:45.850 --> 01:29:49.270
This is Lana Tron from
safety enforcement division.
01:29:49.270 --> 01:29:54.220
My first question is regarding
your verification process,
01:29:54.220 --> 01:29:57.820
how exactly does PG&E
determine completion
01:29:57.820 --> 01:30:01.270
as an example, if PG&ED
is not able to complete
01:30:01.270 --> 01:30:04.730
two miles of a 10 mile CPZ
01:30:04.730 --> 01:30:08.200
because of customer
refusals or permit issues,
01:30:08.200 --> 01:30:11.810
what is PG&E receive credit for?
01:30:11.810 --> 01:30:14.343
And how does PG&E
address the residual risks?
01:30:18.850 --> 01:30:21.030
That's the first question.
01:30:21.030 --> 01:30:23.787
Sure. I can take that if
you you'd like Sumeet.
01:30:25.350 --> 01:30:28.300
So within each circuit protection zone
01:30:28.300 --> 01:30:31.550
we have them subdivided by segments
01:30:31.550 --> 01:30:36.330
and our vegetation points
fall within those segments.
01:30:36.330 --> 01:30:40.040
And we complete all of the segments
01:30:40.040 --> 01:30:43.190
that are in essence unconstrained.
01:30:43.190 --> 01:30:46.040
We work verify those segments
that have been completed
01:30:46.040 --> 01:30:47.943
within that circuit protection zone.
01:30:49.260 --> 01:30:51.820
And we continue to track and try to work
01:30:51.820 --> 01:30:53.900
the segments that are constrained,
01:30:53.900 --> 01:30:57.860
but we only count the linear distance
01:30:57.860 --> 01:31:00.210
represented by the completed segments.
01:31:00.210 --> 01:31:02.823
And we count those in miles as units.
01:31:03.750 --> 01:31:06.560
So hopefully that answers your question.
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:09.223
When we can't
complete the entire circuit,
01:31:10.430 --> 01:31:14.530
that's why we have the other 98 CPZs
01:31:15.440 --> 01:31:18.060
we'll direct the crews to
take the next available.
01:31:18.060 --> 01:31:20.250
So we'll work as much of that
01:31:20.250 --> 01:31:22.810
circuit protection zone as we can
01:31:22.810 --> 01:31:25.340
and we'll continue to
work on those constraints
01:31:25.340 --> 01:31:27.690
and send crews to the next
01:31:27.690 --> 01:31:29.820
available circuit protection zone
01:31:29.820 --> 01:31:32.650
by priority within their region.
01:31:32.650 --> 01:31:34.427
That's how we think about it
01:31:34.427 --> 01:31:36.780
and that's why we have a pretty
01:31:36.780 --> 01:31:38.910
robust detailed schedule that enables us
01:31:40.224 --> 01:31:43.860
to redirect crews and
resources as we go.
01:31:43.860 --> 01:31:47.220
And as we can clear
the constraint segments,
01:31:47.220 --> 01:31:49.180
we'll send crews back to work.
01:31:50.464 --> 01:31:52.350
Did that answer your question?
01:31:52.350 --> 01:31:55.660
Let me add on to that, Michael
01:31:55.660 --> 01:31:57.180
So thanks for that question.
01:31:57.180 --> 01:31:59.913
So again, in our
example of the 10 miles.
01:32:01.100 --> 01:32:03.507
If we're able to get the
eight miles completed,
01:32:03.507 --> 01:32:05.360
and then as Michael mentioned, right,
01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:06.200
when we take credit,
01:32:06.200 --> 01:32:08.520
what that means is
that it's gone through
01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:10.750
each of the three steps
of the process, right?
01:32:10.750 --> 01:32:13.590
Which includes a hundred
percent work verification.
01:32:13.590 --> 01:32:16.920
And if that registered
professional arborist
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:18.240
identified any gaps,
01:32:18.240 --> 01:32:20.380
either in the prescription of the work,
01:32:20.380 --> 01:32:24.270
or in the tree crews not
completing the work as prescribed
01:32:25.480 --> 01:32:27.230
that gap would get identified
01:32:27.230 --> 01:32:30.500
another tree crew would
be dispatch to that location
01:32:30.500 --> 01:32:33.790
so the entirety of that
work unit is completed.
01:32:33.790 --> 01:32:37.440
And once that's done,
that's when kind of that credit
01:32:37.440 --> 01:32:39.890
gets taken for a completed mile.
01:32:39.890 --> 01:32:42.920
So in that instance or in
that circuit protection zone,
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.860
we would identify that eight
miles had been completed,
01:32:45.860 --> 01:32:47.610
two miles have not been completed,
01:32:47.610 --> 01:32:49.890
and then have documentation as to why
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:52.410
we weren't able to complete that.
01:32:52.410 --> 01:32:55.840
That we contacted the customer on X date
01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:57.940
and there was a refusal.
01:32:57.940 --> 01:33:01.210
We escalated that and
we have a process now built
01:33:01.210 --> 01:33:03.860
to escalate and engage in the right way
01:33:03.860 --> 01:33:05.950
with our customer care
organization as well,
01:33:05.950 --> 01:33:08.900
worked with the customers to identify
01:33:08.900 --> 01:33:11.820
additional measures and additional
01:33:11.820 --> 01:33:13.993
things we can bring to bear,
01:33:13.993 --> 01:33:15.650
to be able to get alignment
01:33:15.650 --> 01:33:18.560
on that potential abatement
of that potential tree,
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.530
so that it follows
kind of that execution
01:33:22.530 --> 01:33:24.220
step of our process,
01:33:24.220 --> 01:33:27.840
and then same thing on
the environmental agencies
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:29.610
as we're working with them.
01:33:29.610 --> 01:33:30.830
But further more to your question of,
01:33:30.830 --> 01:33:33.150
okay, well, how do we address that risk
01:33:33.150 --> 01:33:35.060
of those two miles?
01:33:35.060 --> 01:33:38.020
As we discussed previously,
01:33:38.020 --> 01:33:42.560
is we consider a multitude of different
01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:44.630
mitigation that we have,
01:33:44.630 --> 01:33:49.060
in some cases if we have identified
01:33:49.060 --> 01:33:51.990
that specific area to be a high risk
01:33:51.990 --> 01:33:53.780
during certain wind conditions,
01:33:53.780 --> 01:33:56.179
given that it'll strike potential trees,
01:33:56.179 --> 01:34:01.060
that's a criteria that we have
discussed in a prior workshop
01:34:01.060 --> 01:34:03.380
with the Commission that
as a measure of last resort
01:34:03.380 --> 01:34:04.650
from a PSPS perspective,
01:34:04.650 --> 01:34:09.010
those are the types of things
that are being considered
01:34:09.010 --> 01:34:10.590
in our PSPS decision-making.
01:34:10.590 --> 01:34:13.680
So it's a multitude
of different mitigation
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:15.360
that we have in place,
01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:17.470
but our primary effort and the intent
01:34:17.470 --> 01:34:18.970
is to be able to get this work done.
01:34:18.970 --> 01:34:20.553
But as you know in some cases,
01:34:22.420 --> 01:34:24.500
we're not the only ones
that are driving the schedule
01:34:24.500 --> 01:34:26.320
because we're also very mindful
01:34:26.320 --> 01:34:28.790
and respectful of what we have rights to
01:34:28.790 --> 01:34:32.240
as well as some of the
environmental sensitive areas
01:34:32.240 --> 01:34:33.940
that we have to work and navigate.
01:34:36.330 --> 01:34:38.010
Okay. Thank you.
01:34:38.010 --> 01:34:39.513
I have one more question.
01:34:45.415 --> 01:34:47.040
Does PG&E have a process
01:34:47.040 --> 01:34:52.040
where the wildfire risk governance
steering committee WRGSE
01:34:52.310 --> 01:34:54.270
will provide notice of
recommended changes
01:34:54.270 --> 01:34:55.433
to Commission staff,
01:34:56.990 --> 01:34:59.520
and how any potential
changes recommended by
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:03.260
the WRGSE would impact
the milestones and targets
01:35:03.260 --> 01:35:07.503
and the cap and the
wildfire mitigation plan.
01:35:11.177 --> 01:35:13.623
Sumeet can I reference that?
01:35:13.623 --> 01:35:15.700
I'm sorry I
have one last thing,
01:35:15.700 --> 01:35:18.470
including the targets and
milestones as appropriate.
01:35:18.470 --> 01:35:19.303
Thank you.
01:35:20.380 --> 01:35:21.467
Go ahead Andrew (indistinct).
01:35:23.419 --> 01:35:25.170
Thank you.
01:35:25.170 --> 01:35:26.443
Thank you for that question.
01:35:27.590 --> 01:35:31.680
With regards to any
changes that get made
01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:35.040
as part of the wildfire risk
governance committee.
01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:36.800
Sumeet chairs the committee.
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.800
I'm the one who organizes the content
01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:43.263
and works closely as content
is brought to that committee.
01:35:44.320 --> 01:35:46.160
If there was any content in there
01:35:46.160 --> 01:35:49.100
that's impacting commitments,
01:35:49.100 --> 01:35:52.230
there are a variety of
forums that we currently have
01:35:52.230 --> 01:35:55.533
that we interact with as CPC or the STD,
01:35:56.714 --> 01:35:58.580
or the Wildfire Safety Division.
01:35:58.580 --> 01:36:00.940
And we use those to start to inform them
01:36:01.810 --> 01:36:05.320
first is through the to
the regular touch points.
01:36:05.320 --> 01:36:07.550
And then through the 90 day process,
01:36:07.550 --> 01:36:11.530
we will inform them about
what's happening or taking place.
01:36:11.530 --> 01:36:15.170
But if there's a dramatic
shift that we need to make,
01:36:15.170 --> 01:36:18.053
that that is prudent to make
from a safety perspective,
01:36:19.200 --> 01:36:22.430
the process being that it's guided by
01:36:23.450 --> 01:36:24.670
Sumeet our Chief Risk Officer
01:36:24.670 --> 01:36:27.590
is where he requests specifically
01:36:27.590 --> 01:36:30.250
and says, I would like
that this particular topic
01:36:30.250 --> 01:36:32.140
that has been brought here
01:36:32.140 --> 01:36:36.160
be now vetted and shared
with the Wildfire Safety Division
01:36:36.160 --> 01:36:37.680
or the CPC.
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:41.340
And example of that was,
and it was in the early stages,
01:36:41.340 --> 01:36:46.340
if we stood up the wildfire
safety risk committee
01:36:46.660 --> 01:36:51.660
was when we started off we
were pivoting to the risk model,
01:36:52.060 --> 01:36:53.700
and we were betting on the risk model
01:36:53.700 --> 01:36:55.460
and making sure that the
choice was getting made
01:36:55.460 --> 01:36:57.290
where appropriate.
01:36:57.290 --> 01:37:00.310
And what Sumeet directed us
01:37:00.310 --> 01:37:03.230
as part of his oversight on that was,
01:37:03.230 --> 01:37:06.273
it was a specific action
that we sit down and meet
01:37:06.273 --> 01:37:07.940
with the Wildfire Safety Division
01:37:07.940 --> 01:37:12.000
to explain in detail the risk quantity.
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.250
Which we then subsequently did
01:37:14.250 --> 01:37:16.930
and then associated with
that risk model change
01:37:16.930 --> 01:37:19.550
we said deal with the
impact of the work plan,
01:37:19.550 --> 01:37:22.850
which we then followed up as promised
01:37:22.850 --> 01:37:25.720
can attest to us doing both those items,
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.000
but that's the process
we're following specifically.
01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:32.670
It's hard to make a blanket
judgment for every change,
01:37:32.670 --> 01:37:36.360
but there are changes
sometimes of more significant,
01:37:36.360 --> 01:37:39.000
and we use the guidance
of our Chief Risk Officer
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.013
to guide us on that.
01:37:41.450 --> 01:37:43.460
I hope that answers your question.
01:37:43.460 --> 01:37:45.973
Let me add onto that
Andrew, so thank you.
01:37:47.420 --> 01:37:49.560
I would identify what Andrew mentioned
01:37:50.570 --> 01:37:52.850
if there's any change to the target
01:37:52.850 --> 01:37:54.150
or the commitment that we have
01:37:54.150 --> 01:37:56.624
within the wildfire mitigation plan
01:37:56.624 --> 01:37:57.850
or the corrective action plan.
01:37:57.850 --> 01:38:02.410
These are regulatory
proceedings filings,
01:38:02.410 --> 01:38:06.270
so yes, the engagement
and discussion and raising that
01:38:06.270 --> 01:38:08.690
with the Wildfire Safety
Division respectfully,
01:38:08.690 --> 01:38:10.560
the safety enforcement division,
01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:12.520
what happened, you know very quickly,
01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:15.080
but we would also follow the established
01:38:15.080 --> 01:38:18.840
regulatory processes that are in place.
01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:23.550
For example, in 2020,
there were two commitments
01:38:23.550 --> 01:38:26.570
that from a timeline
perspective that were identified,
01:38:26.570 --> 01:38:29.680
the team didn't have line
of sight to for good reason
01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:32.160
and we followed the change order process
01:38:32.160 --> 01:38:34.400
to submit that information to
the Wildfire Safety Division.
01:38:34.400 --> 01:38:37.060
So there's both that
engagement that would happen
01:38:37.060 --> 01:38:39.100
to be able to walk through the details
01:38:39.100 --> 01:38:40.840
with both the leadership
01:38:40.840 --> 01:38:43.300
of the respective divisions and staff,
01:38:43.300 --> 01:38:46.420
as well as ensure that we're following
01:38:46.420 --> 01:38:48.970
all the formal communication channels
01:38:48.970 --> 01:38:50.610
that have already been established
01:38:50.610 --> 01:38:52.783
from a regulatory process perspective.
01:38:54.080 --> 01:38:57.160
I have a question. Can
you guys hear me now?
01:38:57.160 --> 01:38:59.936
Yes, President Batjer
we can loud and clear.
01:38:59.936 --> 01:39:02.150
In a day of technical
problems, I'm a wreck.
01:39:02.150 --> 01:39:03.850
I'm ready to jump out that window.
01:39:05.500 --> 01:39:08.990
Don't do that we need
you, so please don't do that.
01:39:08.990 --> 01:39:09.940
You're very kind.
01:39:13.010 --> 01:39:16.420
So going back a little bit
and I may have missed this,
01:39:16.420 --> 01:39:21.397
but the I think you said
32 meetings you have
01:39:22.650 --> 01:39:26.360
on the daily schedule,
something like that.
01:39:26.360 --> 01:39:28.920
That seems almost impossible to manage.
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.850
I know that in our presentation
01:39:32.850 --> 01:39:35.890
that the CEO gave us sometime ago now
01:39:38.560 --> 01:39:43.560
the lean operation system
that she has implemented,
01:39:44.620 --> 01:39:48.560
I'm assuming that that's part of it
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:53.310
and the number of meetings
that you have to have.
01:39:53.310 --> 01:39:55.770
So how is that functioning?
01:39:55.770 --> 01:39:58.620
Is the information
getting from the field,
01:39:58.620 --> 01:40:00.633
from boots on the ground if you will,
01:40:02.440 --> 01:40:05.820
into the decision-making tree?
01:40:05.820 --> 01:40:09.310
And I know that what
was described as decisions
01:40:09.310 --> 01:40:14.310
can be made and are being
made at the lower level now.
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:18.230
Every decision doesn't go
to you for example Sumeet,
01:40:18.230 --> 01:40:19.820
I would imagine,
01:40:19.820 --> 01:40:24.820
and even more so up to the
CEO or the Operations Senior VP.
01:40:28.200 --> 01:40:30.220
But I'm just wondering
how is that functioning?
01:40:30.220 --> 01:40:32.780
'Cause it seems very complicated to me.
01:40:32.780 --> 01:40:35.880
And I guess our concern
as you well know is
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:40.880
are the folks that are closest to
01:40:42.310 --> 01:40:44.880
the edge management in this case,
01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:47.620
closest to the ground,
closest to the customer.
01:40:47.620 --> 01:40:51.140
Is that information indeed
getting up the chain,
01:40:51.140 --> 01:40:54.620
as you all intended
with your new structure
01:40:54.620 --> 01:40:59.163
and your lean operating system?
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:02.940
Yeah Thank you President Batjer
01:41:02.940 --> 01:41:05.020
and let me clarify.
01:41:05.020 --> 01:41:10.020
So when I referenced the
46 daily operating reviews,
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:12.680
it doesn't mean that the same individual
01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:14.830
attends 46 different meetings.
01:41:14.830 --> 01:41:16.160
Right. No, I get that.
01:41:16.160 --> 01:41:17.660
I get that. I'm just wondering
01:41:18.830 --> 01:41:21.360
how is the in information migrating
01:41:21.360 --> 01:41:22.980
is it migrating the way you want?
01:41:22.980 --> 01:41:27.540
'Cause one of our concerns
dating through the discussions
01:41:27.540 --> 01:41:29.230
in bankruptcy frankly
01:41:29.230 --> 01:41:33.873
were that that lower
part of the organization,
01:41:35.070 --> 01:41:37.670
information, knowledge, and so forth
01:41:37.670 --> 01:41:40.530
was just not seemingly filtering
01:41:40.530 --> 01:41:42.910
the people it needed to filter to.
01:41:42.910 --> 01:41:45.620
Yep, it's absolutely working
01:41:45.620 --> 01:41:47.560
and it's working really well.
01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:51.220
And where we first
started the implementation
01:41:51.220 --> 01:41:54.360
was within all of our
wildfire risk mitigation efforts.
01:41:54.360 --> 01:41:58.320
So we're just talking about
vegetation management here,
01:41:58.320 --> 01:42:02.510
but as an example let me start top down
01:42:02.510 --> 01:42:05.150
and then I will build it
from top down to bottoms up
01:42:05.150 --> 01:42:07.920
and then back from bottoms
up top down if that's helpful.
01:42:07.920 --> 01:42:10.010
So let's start, we'll use
some round numbers
01:42:10.010 --> 01:42:11.020
if that's okay, right?
01:42:11.020 --> 01:42:14.310
So let's just say there are 2422 miles,
01:42:14.310 --> 01:42:15.300
'cause we have all this math,
01:42:15.300 --> 01:42:16.850
I just want to have it part of me.
01:42:16.850 --> 01:42:18.500
So 2,500 miles, right?
01:42:18.500 --> 01:42:22.400
Which is the highest risks
circuit protection zones.
01:42:22.400 --> 01:42:24.380
We have five regions
01:42:24.380 --> 01:42:26.760
within our vegetation
management organization.
01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:29.780
So of the 2,500 miles we look at
01:42:29.780 --> 01:42:32.360
where we have to get that work done
01:42:32.360 --> 01:42:34.840
because that cascades all the way down
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:36.950
to every level within the organization.
01:42:36.950 --> 01:42:39.170
So say I'm a regional manager
01:42:39.170 --> 01:42:41.170
of one of those five regions
01:42:41.170 --> 01:42:44.070
and just, again, for
simplicity purposes,
01:42:44.070 --> 01:42:48.900
my job is to get 500
of those 2,500 done,
01:42:48.900 --> 01:42:50.530
that becomes my goal.
01:42:50.530 --> 01:42:54.630
And then I in turn have
five additional supervisors
01:42:54.630 --> 01:42:56.250
that are part of my team.
01:42:56.250 --> 01:43:00.640
Each of those supervisors
will get and have a sub region
01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:02.340
against my region number one, right?
01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:04.030
And the five regions cover
01:43:04.030 --> 01:43:06.020
all of our wildfire threat districts.
01:43:06.020 --> 01:43:07.967
So say I'm a supervisor now
01:43:07.967 --> 01:43:11.100
and my goal is a hundred
of those 500, right?
01:43:11.100 --> 01:43:12.650
Five of them will make up the 500.
01:43:12.650 --> 01:43:14.470
500 will make up the 2,500.
01:43:14.470 --> 01:43:18.410
So that's now the plan
cascade then as a supervisor,
01:43:18.410 --> 01:43:22.620
I have 20 contract crews
that are assigned to me
01:43:22.620 --> 01:43:27.350
and each of those crews
get five miles for the year
01:43:27.350 --> 01:43:29.230
and I'm using very simple examples here.
01:43:29.230 --> 01:43:33.900
So that supervisor every
day will be focused on,
01:43:33.900 --> 01:43:37.600
I know which crew of
those 20, one through 20
01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:39.420
has which of those five miles
01:43:39.420 --> 01:43:44.180
and what work they actually
got done over the last 24 hours,
01:43:44.180 --> 01:43:48.820
because say that they have
to get a quarter of a mile done
01:43:48.820 --> 01:43:51.590
over the course of the last week.
01:43:51.590 --> 01:43:54.310
For crew one, contract crew one
01:43:54.310 --> 01:43:56.230
all the way down to contract crew 20,
01:43:56.230 --> 01:43:59.330
that's what the supervisor
is measuring on a daily basis.
01:43:59.330 --> 01:44:02.300
And then what they're
reporting up on every single day
01:44:02.300 --> 01:44:04.510
in my daily operating
review as a supervisor,
01:44:04.510 --> 01:44:06.060
I will first meet with my team.
01:44:07.310 --> 01:44:08.897
The leads of the contract crews and say,
01:44:08.897 --> 01:44:12.160
"Okay, you were
assigned a quarter of a mile
01:44:12.160 --> 01:44:14.900
crew foreman, one all the
way to crew foreman 20,
01:44:14.900 --> 01:44:16.130
what did you actually get done?
01:44:16.130 --> 01:44:17.633
If you didn't meet your plan
01:44:17.633 --> 01:44:19.340
what actually got in the way?"
01:44:19.340 --> 01:44:21.020
That becomes an issue.
01:44:21.020 --> 01:44:23.090
And then as a supervisor,
01:44:23.090 --> 01:44:25.690
I tend my own daily operating review,
01:44:25.690 --> 01:44:28.170
which is typically 15 minutes,
01:44:28.170 --> 01:44:30.830
then I attend my bosses operating review
01:44:30.830 --> 01:44:32.190
which is the manager.
01:44:32.190 --> 01:44:34.410
So I've got two operating
reviews I have to attendance
01:44:34.410 --> 01:44:36.950
and in that as supervisor one,
01:44:36.950 --> 01:44:39.530
my job is to say, "Okay,
I was supposed to get
01:44:39.530 --> 01:44:43.850
one mile done over the last
24 hours across my 20 crews,
01:44:43.850 --> 01:44:45.270
what did I actually get done?"
01:44:45.270 --> 01:44:47.730
And I filtered that up to the manager
01:44:47.730 --> 01:44:51.080
and each of the five
supervisors do that for region one.
01:44:51.080 --> 01:44:53.880
And that same process
happens with the five regions.
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.820
And then that flows up to
how are we tracking against
01:44:56.820 --> 01:45:00.730
that 2,500 mile target
at Michael's level
01:45:00.730 --> 01:45:01.940
and at my levels?
01:45:01.940 --> 01:45:05.570
And then if the issue can
be resolved by the supervisor
01:45:05.570 --> 01:45:06.690
they'll resolved.
01:45:06.690 --> 01:45:09.030
They may identify what
I was supposed to have
01:45:10.522 --> 01:45:14.070
a traffic control contractor to come in,
01:45:14.070 --> 01:45:15.930
but they actually didn't come in
01:45:15.930 --> 01:45:18.030
because one of the individuals
that was supposed to come in
01:45:18.030 --> 01:45:19.330
actually worked over time
01:45:19.330 --> 01:45:21.170
and they weren't able to
get a substitute in place.
01:45:21.170 --> 01:45:23.470
I can handle that as a
supervisor, no problem.
01:45:23.470 --> 01:45:25.180
Now the issue is,
01:45:25.180 --> 01:45:28.100
I've actually gotta deal with agency
01:45:28.100 --> 01:45:30.720
and there's a nesting
issue that we identified
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:32.430
now I'll need to figure out,
01:45:32.430 --> 01:45:34.460
well, I can't do the work this month.
01:45:34.460 --> 01:45:37.150
I may have to do it
in the month of August
01:45:37.150 --> 01:45:39.000
when the nesting season is not there.
01:45:39.937 --> 01:45:42.270
So something like that may
get elevated to the director
01:45:42.270 --> 01:45:43.690
so they can work with the respective
01:45:43.690 --> 01:45:46.200
director of the environmental
team and solve it.
01:45:46.200 --> 01:45:48.110
So it's solving the issues
01:45:48.110 --> 01:45:50.570
at the right level
within the organization
01:45:50.570 --> 01:45:53.860
and what it's enabled now is
that two way communication flow
01:45:53.860 --> 01:45:55.910
from top down and bottoms up
01:45:55.910 --> 01:45:57.830
so there's no daylight there.
01:45:57.830 --> 01:45:58.663
Is that helpful?
01:45:58.663 --> 01:46:00.620
Sumeet that's very helpful.
01:46:00.620 --> 01:46:04.207
And I want to turn to
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
01:46:04.207 --> 01:46:05.793
was that helpful to?
01:46:07.040 --> 01:46:10.203
'Cause I know you and I
have shared this concern.
01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:15.060
Yes, it's a little dizzying,
01:46:15.060 --> 01:46:19.780
but I understand the structure.
01:46:19.780 --> 01:46:21.710
Are you seeing in practice
01:46:23.300 --> 01:46:28.300
lower level supervisors
reporting problems or failures?
01:46:29.750 --> 01:46:33.300
And if so, in a way that
was different than before.
01:46:33.300 --> 01:46:35.610
In other words, is this structure
01:46:35.610 --> 01:46:39.480
making a difference in how
the bottoms reporting up?
01:46:39.480 --> 01:46:43.160
Especially flagging significant problems
01:46:43.160 --> 01:46:45.423
and significant failures
on their own part?
01:46:49.490 --> 01:46:52.330
Thank you Commissioner
for that question.
01:46:52.330 --> 01:46:54.560
A lot of what I'm seeing here
01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:56.950
and I'll invite Michael
to chime in as well,
01:46:56.950 --> 01:47:01.500
because he sees that
closer to his team as well.
01:47:01.500 --> 01:47:04.470
We are absolutely seeing in much more
01:47:04.470 --> 01:47:07.230
rapid escalation of issues,
01:47:07.230 --> 01:47:12.210
given that frequency on a daily cadence,
01:47:12.210 --> 01:47:16.790
we're able to identify
what are those roadblocks
01:47:16.790 --> 01:47:20.560
that have been getting and weighing
01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:23.860
our teams that are
closest to the work down
01:47:23.860 --> 01:47:26.620
and they've been trying
to churn on their own
01:47:26.620 --> 01:47:27.730
to be able to solve.
01:47:27.730 --> 01:47:30.610
And in some cases it's
appropriate for them to be solve,
01:47:30.610 --> 01:47:34.163
but in other cases they have
to escalate that very quickly.
01:47:35.100 --> 01:47:37.590
And it takes out the timing
01:47:37.590 --> 01:47:41.040
from a delay perspective
of that escalation.
01:47:41.040 --> 01:47:43.950
I mean, I could tell
you in years past where
01:47:43.950 --> 01:47:47.610
I went out to a job site
engaged with a supervisor
01:47:47.610 --> 01:47:50.040
and so they had
quite a bit of frustration
01:47:50.040 --> 01:47:51.810
because they weren't getting
the support that they needed,
01:47:51.810 --> 01:47:53.240
whether it was IT tool,
01:47:53.240 --> 01:47:55.470
whether it was a supply chain issue,
01:47:55.470 --> 01:47:58.670
and no one within the
rest of the leadership chain
01:47:58.670 --> 01:48:00.130
actually knew that issue
01:48:00.130 --> 01:48:02.090
until I was out there and got raised.
01:48:02.090 --> 01:48:05.190
And then I raised it to the
rest of the leadership chain
01:48:05.190 --> 01:48:06.740
and then it got addressed.
01:48:06.740 --> 01:48:09.870
So I would not say
Commissioner that we have this
01:48:09.870 --> 01:48:11.850
completely dialed in,
01:48:11.850 --> 01:48:14.710
but we are far better from
an improvement perspective
01:48:14.710 --> 01:48:16.420
and we're continuously
to improving upon it
01:48:16.420 --> 01:48:17.640
every single day.
01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:20.830
We see a much rapid escalation of issues
01:48:20.830 --> 01:48:24.280
and the frustrations that
our teams are identifying
01:48:24.280 --> 01:48:27.360
now we're able to do something about it
01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:28.193
at the end of the day.
01:48:28.193 --> 01:48:30.370
So those are the things that I'm seeing
01:48:30.370 --> 01:48:34.040
that this type of
operating execution rigor
01:48:34.040 --> 01:48:36.483
has enabled within our organization.
01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:40.920
Michael if you wanna add to that.
01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:42.720
Yeah, just a couple of things.
01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:47.610
I think what I see is
just greater visibility,
01:48:47.610 --> 01:48:50.420
number one, across the organization.
01:48:50.420 --> 01:48:53.430
The second is the speed at
which the information flows
01:48:53.430 --> 01:48:56.610
and I think some of
the key learnings for us
01:48:56.610 --> 01:48:58.790
is you have to create
the right environment
01:48:58.790 --> 01:48:59.700
for the workforce,
01:48:59.700 --> 01:49:02.620
for those supervisors,
for those crews, right?
01:49:02.620 --> 01:49:06.010
Because you have to react appropriately
01:49:06.010 --> 01:49:07.480
when they raise an issue, right?
01:49:07.480 --> 01:49:11.920
And the issue can't
be seen as a negative,
01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.890
it has to be seen as
an opportunity, right?
01:49:14.890 --> 01:49:19.610
And creating that
opportunity to fix the problem.
01:49:19.610 --> 01:49:22.740
And so everyone is encouraged
at the appropriate level
01:49:22.740 --> 01:49:25.470
to dive in and come
together to solve the problems,
01:49:25.470 --> 01:49:26.700
get the hurdles out of the way
01:49:26.700 --> 01:49:28.830
so that we can proceed with the work.
01:49:28.830 --> 01:49:30.720
Right. And I think
that's the key element.
01:49:30.720 --> 01:49:34.490
There has to be a measure
of both accountability,
01:49:34.490 --> 01:49:37.450
but also collaboration, right?
01:49:37.450 --> 01:49:39.700
And so each of the issues is viewed
01:49:39.700 --> 01:49:41.360
as an opportunity to improve
01:49:42.750 --> 01:49:45.210
and that helps the
flow of the information.
01:49:45.210 --> 01:49:48.250
So we're very focused on ensuring
01:49:48.250 --> 01:49:52.120
that the leadership teams are
equipped to address the issues
01:49:52.120 --> 01:49:54.700
as they come up and to raise the issues.
01:49:54.700 --> 01:49:57.490
And it's something that we
calibrate on on a daily basis
01:49:57.490 --> 01:49:59.427
as issues are raised,
01:49:59.427 --> 01:50:02.887
"Hey, this is a great
issue, I'm glad you raised it.
01:50:02.887 --> 01:50:04.230
You think that's something
you could have addressed
01:50:04.230 --> 01:50:05.300
at your level,
01:50:05.300 --> 01:50:08.007
or I'm happy to tackle
that and I'll weigh in on that
01:50:08.007 --> 01:50:09.377
and I'll get back to you."
01:50:10.370 --> 01:50:13.810
Either way it's happening
in almost real time
01:50:13.810 --> 01:50:17.660
in the same day information
gets all the way up to Sumeet.
01:50:17.660 --> 01:50:20.040
In an organization of this size
01:50:20.040 --> 01:50:22.210
that's a challenging prospect,
01:50:22.210 --> 01:50:24.943
but it's something that's
happening on a daily basis now.
01:50:25.980 --> 01:50:27.083
That's very helpful.
01:50:28.910 --> 01:50:31.210
One quick question,
'cause I know we're running
01:50:31.210 --> 01:50:33.810
through I think our break period,
01:50:33.810 --> 01:50:35.163
isn't that right Rachel?
01:50:36.470 --> 01:50:37.740
Yeah.
01:50:37.740 --> 01:50:40.690
In the earlier slide when I
was trying to ask a question,
01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:44.910
one of your issues
was permitting problems
01:50:45.780 --> 01:50:49.180
and I was wondering is that
01:50:49.180 --> 01:50:52.140
in your scale of
matters is that an issue
01:50:52.140 --> 01:50:55.840
that's really a roadblock in advancing
01:50:55.840 --> 01:50:57.630
through the high risk
01:50:59.810 --> 01:51:02.313
numbers that you must reach your goals?
01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:06.990
Yeah. I'm gonna pick it up
01:51:06.990 --> 01:51:10.020
and then I'm gonna request
Michael to provide more details
01:51:10.020 --> 01:51:11.870
as well President Batjer.
01:51:11.870 --> 01:51:16.110
So if you go back to
maybe a couple of slides,
01:51:16.110 --> 01:51:20.460
I think, Michael identified
out of the 157 or so miles
01:51:20.460 --> 01:51:22.780
that we have kind of in that
01:51:22.780 --> 01:51:25.320
constraint category of precedent,
01:51:25.320 --> 01:51:27.410
about five miles with
customer refusals rights,
01:51:27.410 --> 01:51:31.960
we're seeing a much greater
alignment with our customers.
01:51:31.960 --> 01:51:34.100
Given the risk of wildfires,
01:51:34.100 --> 01:51:36.380
their understanding of the wildfire risk
01:51:36.380 --> 01:51:38.940
and the conditions and
the drought conditions
01:51:38.940 --> 01:51:41.110
either continue to be
some opportunities,
01:51:41.110 --> 01:51:45.490
in my humble opinion on how
we can be more streamlined
01:51:45.490 --> 01:51:49.020
in ensuring that we have
01:51:49.020 --> 01:51:50.980
a multitude of different agencies,
01:51:50.980 --> 01:51:53.810
that are involved, which
could be at a State level,
01:51:53.810 --> 01:51:56.270
which could be at a Federal level.
01:51:56.270 --> 01:51:59.960
How we can bring that
cross-functional team together
01:51:59.960 --> 01:52:01.450
so that there's clarity on
01:52:01.450 --> 01:52:02.870
where all the requirements
that are needed
01:52:02.870 --> 01:52:04.640
by all the agencies for
a certain type of work.
01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:09.640
So we can get the necessary
information over to them.
01:52:09.860 --> 01:52:12.390
A rapid review can be done
01:52:12.390 --> 01:52:15.100
and we can proceed
with mitigating that risk.
01:52:15.100 --> 01:52:18.410
So the slide on the chart
on the right-hand side
01:52:18.410 --> 01:52:20.510
kind of tells a little bit of that story
01:52:20.510 --> 01:52:21.797
with all 157 miles
01:52:21.797 --> 01:52:24.340
and these are all in
the highest risk areas,
01:52:24.340 --> 01:52:26.870
five miles with a dependency on,
01:52:26.870 --> 01:52:30.010
in terms of getting
alignment with the customer
01:52:30.010 --> 01:52:32.070
and our customers to ensure that
01:52:32.070 --> 01:52:34.230
we're identifying the risk
and they understand that risk
01:52:34.230 --> 01:52:36.510
so we can move forward
with mitigating the tree,
01:52:36.510 --> 01:52:40.860
but a large majority of that
is in this constraint bucket.
01:52:40.860 --> 01:52:42.560
And some of those constraints
01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:45.890
are the longer lead time on the permits.
01:52:45.890 --> 01:52:47.860
And again, it's not with every agency.
01:52:47.860 --> 01:52:50.950
And I think we have
opportunities to do our part
01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:53.720
as well and improve upon
01:52:53.720 --> 01:52:56.280
the timeliness of giving the
information to them as needed.
01:52:56.280 --> 01:52:58.327
So again, not pointing fingers at anyone
01:52:58.327 --> 01:52:59.870
at the end of the day.
01:52:59.870 --> 01:53:02.770
And then the other piece is the natural
01:53:02.770 --> 01:53:06.790
element president of the
environment that we operate in
01:53:06.790 --> 01:53:08.890
and Michael provides
a really good example
01:53:09.810 --> 01:53:12.690
previously on one of the
circuits that we're working on
01:53:12.690 --> 01:53:14.740
and have been working
on for quite some time,
01:53:14.740 --> 01:53:18.270
we have a very small
window during the year
01:53:18.270 --> 01:53:21.670
because of endangered
species and nesting season.
01:53:21.670 --> 01:53:25.730
So obviously, we're very
mindful of those elements.
01:53:25.730 --> 01:53:28.030
So those are some of the types of things
01:53:28.030 --> 01:53:29.980
that obviously are dependencies
01:53:29.980 --> 01:53:31.430
that we have to work through.
01:53:33.310 --> 01:53:35.400
Okay. Thank you.
01:53:35.400 --> 01:53:36.820
We'd better take a stretch.
01:53:36.820 --> 01:53:40.300
And I was out in the field two weeks ago
01:53:40.300 --> 01:53:43.740
with the consultant to
01:53:43.740 --> 01:53:47.250
and Caroline Thomas Jacobson and I,
01:53:47.250 --> 01:53:51.090
and it was extraordinarily
illustrative to me
01:53:51.090 --> 01:53:54.400
to see both what you're
doing and what you have,
01:53:54.400 --> 01:53:56.113
the challenges you all have.
01:53:57.090 --> 01:53:59.360
It was quite overwhelming in fact,
01:53:59.360 --> 01:54:02.750
but that's a conversation
for another day.
01:54:02.750 --> 01:54:05.543
So thank you Rachel, back to you.
01:54:06.620 --> 01:54:07.453
Thank you.
01:54:09.046 --> 01:54:12.363
Go ahead, Rachel.
01:54:13.500 --> 01:54:15.640
I was probably going to
say the same thing you are,
01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:17.660
which is that we will
take our five minute
01:54:17.660 --> 01:54:18.913
stretch break now.
01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:23.620
We are still aiming to
have public comments
01:54:23.620 --> 01:54:26.700
start at about 3:25.
01:54:26.700 --> 01:54:29.910
And so for the PG&E presenters,
01:54:29.910 --> 01:54:31.930
we're going to tackle
the next two topics,
01:54:31.930 --> 01:54:34.370
but each one in 10 minutes.
01:54:34.370 --> 01:54:37.450
So during our break if
you can prepare yourself
01:54:37.450 --> 01:54:40.770
to speak through your next slide,
01:54:40.770 --> 01:54:42.450
but probably with less detail
01:54:42.450 --> 01:54:44.150
than what you had originally planned
01:54:44.150 --> 01:54:45.183
that'll be helpful.
01:54:47.910 --> 01:54:49.410
We'll do. Thank you, Rachel.
01:54:51.040 --> 01:54:56.040
All right, so it's 2:57
we will restart at 3:02.
01:54:56.170 --> 01:54:57.850
(bright music)
01:54:57.850 --> 01:54:59.380
Will begin momentarily.
01:54:59.380 --> 01:55:00.650
Thank you for your patience.
01:55:00.650 --> 01:55:03.170
Start again
with the final last
01:55:03.170 --> 01:55:04.843
two presentations by PG&E.
01:55:06.651 --> 01:55:11.163
I'm going to turn now to
PG&E and we can discuss
01:55:11.163 --> 01:55:15.746
the 2020 enhanced vegetation
management lessons learnt.
01:55:17.383 --> 01:55:18.839
Sumeet.
01:55:18.839 --> 01:55:20.046
Great. Thank you Nika,
01:55:20.046 --> 01:55:22.010
I'm gonna turn it over
to Andrew Abranches
01:55:22.010 --> 01:55:24.313
to walk us through the
next section, please.
01:55:25.530 --> 01:55:28.030
Yeah, these
are elements one in eight
01:55:28.030 --> 01:55:30.560
of the enhanced vegetation management
01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:31.507
corrective action plan.
01:55:31.507 --> 01:55:33.023
Can we go to the next slide?
01:55:38.550 --> 01:55:43.550
So we've laid out the
full initial lessons learnt.
01:55:43.940 --> 01:55:48.120
That came out of the out of the findings
01:55:48.120 --> 01:55:49.560
as we dove into that.
01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:52.760
One was the carry over work from 2019
01:55:53.780 --> 01:55:56.810
and the actions we're
taking forward going into
01:55:56.810 --> 01:55:59.170
really ensuring that
if we're carrying over
01:55:59.170 --> 01:56:03.920
any work from 2021 into 2022,
01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:05.530
we will review that work
01:56:05.530 --> 01:56:09.720
from a risk informed
prioritization relative.
01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:13.800
An example of this
specifically would be,
01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:15.837
as we recently talked about
01:56:15.837 --> 01:56:19.700
the miles that we may not
be able to get to because
01:56:19.700 --> 01:56:24.310
there's a bombing issue
that has paused us, right?
01:56:24.310 --> 01:56:26.910
What we'll do is if we
carry that work over
01:56:26.910 --> 01:56:28.820
where we came at all and ensuring
01:56:28.820 --> 01:56:33.506
that it's still in the
highest risk set of miles
01:56:33.506 --> 01:56:36.106
that are available to work
for the following period.
01:56:38.020 --> 01:56:40.810
The next one is the use
of the wildfire risk model
01:56:40.810 --> 01:56:42.553
combined with other factors,
01:56:46.310 --> 01:56:47.740
the objective as you're going forward
01:56:47.740 --> 01:56:49.530
in the lesson were learning right?
01:56:49.530 --> 01:56:51.610
Is firstly, the revision control
01:56:51.610 --> 01:56:54.180
around the wildfire risk model
01:56:54.180 --> 01:56:56.540
and ensuring that we focus on
01:56:57.400 --> 01:56:59.027
the clearly published set of
01:56:59.027 --> 01:57:01.900
here's our description
wildfire risk model
01:57:01.900 --> 01:57:05.000
here is the EVM three-way
the privatizations list.
01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:07.880
That's very clearly
derived from that risk model
01:57:07.880 --> 01:57:10.450
and think consistent with that approach
01:57:10.450 --> 01:57:12.273
as we go into 2022.
01:57:13.440 --> 01:57:15.400
While we will get new information
01:57:15.400 --> 01:57:18.000
that we would like to
incorporate into the risk model,
01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:20.780
we're gonna do that in
a very measured fashion
01:57:20.780 --> 01:57:23.830
to make sure that the
impact on the work plan
01:57:23.830 --> 01:57:27.623
is such that still allows us
to do a decent work plan.
01:57:28.980 --> 01:57:32.350
On the next one which is
01:57:34.230 --> 01:57:37.460
there was at management discretion
01:57:37.460 --> 01:57:42.180
when we looked at what
happened in 2020 there was
01:57:43.226 --> 01:57:45.960
a director put out they had
performed 50% of the work
01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:49.570
in the top 50% of
the highest risk miles.
01:57:49.570 --> 01:57:54.570
We have very fairly
pivoted for the 2021 period.
01:57:55.170 --> 01:57:57.660
It's really performing the work
01:57:57.660 --> 01:58:00.080
on the highest risk ranked CPZs
01:58:00.080 --> 01:58:03.000
and focusing and ensuring and measuring
01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:06.950
that 80% of our EVM
work is done in the top 20%
01:58:06.950 --> 01:58:09.553
of those highest risk
circuit protection zones.
01:58:10.436 --> 01:58:11.930
And then the last one
01:58:11.930 --> 01:58:13.760
which is around inconsistent reporting
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:15.640
and communication gaps,
01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:18.830
we have a much more
structured decision making process
01:58:18.830 --> 01:58:21.670
and oversight process in place.
01:58:21.670 --> 01:58:23.030
And I think you'll reference
01:58:23.030 --> 01:58:25.290
the lean management system as well,
01:58:25.290 --> 01:58:28.070
which is a daily and
weekly operating reviews
01:58:28.070 --> 01:58:30.710
and the rigor around those.
01:58:30.710 --> 01:58:33.360
Also the tracking
process that we're using
01:58:33.360 --> 01:58:36.500
to track where miles
have been completed,
01:58:36.500 --> 01:58:38.750
with segments still have
miles to be performed
01:58:38.750 --> 01:58:41.490
because of any restrictions that we face
01:58:41.490 --> 01:58:44.240
and how do we very
transparently track that.
01:58:44.240 --> 01:58:47.720
Those are the actions
that we've taken for 2021
01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:52.423
and we'll carry through
for 2022 and beyond.
01:58:54.820 --> 01:58:57.350
I think that's all I
have for this section.
01:58:57.350 --> 01:58:59.120
I know we were
allocate 10 minutes for it,
01:58:59.120 --> 01:59:01.543
but I just want to open
back up for questions.
01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:09.680
Any questions
from the Commissioners.
01:59:09.680 --> 01:59:12.993
Executive Director Peterson
or Commission staff?
01:59:22.740 --> 01:59:25.660
Hearing none, I guess we can
move to the next presentation,
01:59:25.660 --> 01:59:27.383
our next and final presentation.
01:59:28.420 --> 01:59:31.093
Okay. I will be
covering that as well.
01:59:32.280 --> 01:59:33.343
It's just one slide.
01:59:34.330 --> 01:59:35.630
Sorry. There's a question.
01:59:41.420 --> 01:59:43.793
Okay, can we go to the next slide?
01:59:46.760 --> 01:59:50.720
The intent of this was
elements 13 and 14.
01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:52.840
What is the impact and duration
01:59:52.840 --> 01:59:54.140
of the corrective action plan?
01:59:54.140 --> 01:59:55.793
What did we put forward?
01:59:57.000 --> 01:59:59.233
What we put put forward was that
01:59:59.233 --> 02:00:01.970
the enhanced enforcement
at the corrective action
02:00:01.970 --> 02:00:06.020
associated with EVM and at end of 2021,
02:00:08.380 --> 02:00:12.870
but the required reporting
really end by February,
02:00:12.870 --> 02:00:16.393
rarely providing sufficient
time for the CPUC the SED
02:00:17.600 --> 02:00:20.180
and the wildfire division to verify
02:00:20.180 --> 02:00:23.877
all of those miles that
we've completed in 2021
02:00:23.877 --> 02:00:27.660
via this process that
we've outlined specifically.
02:00:27.660 --> 02:00:30.650
The dates that were
provided in the plan,
02:00:30.650 --> 02:00:33.720
or how many miles did we
expect to complete by what date?
02:00:33.720 --> 02:00:38.720
I think the questions around
the back loading at the time
02:00:39.603 --> 02:00:44.603
when we filed it was by
June 1st 210 high-risk miles
02:00:46.160 --> 02:00:51.160
as of June 21st we've
completed about 450 miles.
02:00:52.350 --> 02:00:54.320
So we feel well-positioned
02:00:54.320 --> 02:00:56.793
to get to the September 1st date.
02:00:58.440 --> 02:01:01.030
And then the verification that'll happen
02:01:01.030 --> 02:01:03.070
really it would give us enough time
02:01:03.070 --> 02:01:05.200
between the end of the year and February
02:01:06.129 --> 02:01:08.440
for folks to provide an
independent verification
02:01:08.440 --> 02:01:11.370
and determine in fact if
the corrective action plan
02:01:11.370 --> 02:01:13.840
should be deemed complete
and enhanced enforcement
02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:15.280
should phase out
02:01:15.280 --> 02:01:17.510
or enhanced enforcement
should be extended
02:01:17.510 --> 02:01:19.310
at the discretion of the Commission.
02:01:22.100 --> 02:01:27.100
So that's really the main
content of 13 and 14,
02:01:27.490 --> 02:01:29.290
I think 14 referenced rarely
02:01:30.140 --> 02:01:35.080
was there anything that
doing this plan would disrupt
02:01:35.080 --> 02:01:37.230
and assuming there's
already a highlighted,
02:01:38.897 --> 02:01:41.210
we'll still being held accountable
02:01:41.210 --> 02:01:44.110
and if we will be we'll achieve
all the other commitments
02:01:44.110 --> 02:01:46.677
with regards to routine work,
02:01:46.677 --> 02:01:50.350
create a remover work that's
driven by dead and dry trees,
02:01:50.350 --> 02:01:52.760
all of that is still in
transmission right away.
02:01:52.760 --> 02:01:55.350
That's still part of the overall plan
02:01:55.350 --> 02:01:58.873
and will not be impacted
by this correct action.
02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:09.730
That really is the end
of these two items.
02:02:09.730 --> 02:02:12.593
So let me open it up for
questions around this element.
02:02:17.060 --> 02:02:18.583
Nika it's Rachel,
02:02:19.470 --> 02:02:21.680
if I can jump in with a question,
02:02:21.680 --> 02:02:25.940
can I ask the PG&E team to express to us
02:02:25.940 --> 02:02:30.940
what your highest risk is
of perhaps not getting to
02:02:34.070 --> 02:02:38.070
that September one goal of 850 miles?
02:02:38.070 --> 02:02:41.060
What do you think about
that might prevent you
02:02:41.060 --> 02:02:42.553
from reaching that target?
02:02:48.260 --> 02:02:50.231
I'll give my opinion
Direct Peterson,
02:02:50.231 --> 02:02:52.400
and then I'll let Sumeet
and maybe Michael
02:02:52.400 --> 02:02:54.900
weigh in from different perspectives.
02:02:54.900 --> 02:02:56.970
From the risk perspective
02:02:56.970 --> 02:02:59.150
I think the biggest risks that I see is
02:02:59.150 --> 02:03:03.840
there are unintended situations
that could come into play.
02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:07.030
The most pressing really is
02:03:07.030 --> 02:03:09.060
we are in an unprecedented drought
02:03:10.040 --> 02:03:14.190
and should some major fire occur
02:03:15.531 --> 02:03:18.380
of a magnitude that we can anticipate,
02:03:18.380 --> 02:03:21.290
then that could pause
for both the risk there,
02:03:21.290 --> 02:03:25.020
but beyond something a
major disruptive event like that.
02:03:25.020 --> 02:03:28.920
I don't see any risk for us of achieving
02:03:28.920 --> 02:03:31.360
the September 1st 850 miles.
02:03:31.360 --> 02:03:33.500
And that's driven by the fact that
02:03:33.500 --> 02:03:35.660
the slide that Michael showed
02:03:35.660 --> 02:03:40.660
where we've already
got another 751 miles
02:03:40.810 --> 02:03:44.300
really in process right now as we speak.
02:03:44.300 --> 02:03:47.700
And those are getting completed
every day and every week.
02:03:47.700 --> 02:03:51.380
So the volume of work
in play will easily get us
02:03:51.380 --> 02:03:53.713
through that 850 in my opinion,
02:03:55.160 --> 02:03:58.233
unless there's some major
disruption renounce September 1st,
02:03:59.220 --> 02:04:01.280
I think in the latter half of the year,
02:04:01.280 --> 02:04:03.350
again, we've got to
keep that same discipline
02:04:03.350 --> 02:04:06.610
and we're working as hard
as possible to get it done.
02:04:06.610 --> 02:04:08.010
Sumeet.
02:04:08.010 --> 02:04:11.450
Yeah. So probably build on that
02:04:11.450 --> 02:04:13.420
and Andrew I would agree with that.
02:04:13.420 --> 02:04:16.730
And there's two elements
to what Andrew talked about
02:04:17.660 --> 02:04:19.940
that can introduce the execution risk
02:04:19.940 --> 02:04:22.260
because at the moment, right,
02:04:22.260 --> 02:04:23.870
we're measuring every single day.
02:04:23.870 --> 02:04:26.000
And we measure against the plan
02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:28.090
of anywhere from nine to 12 miles
02:04:28.090 --> 02:04:30.490
that have to get done
right on every single day
02:04:30.490 --> 02:04:32.830
across the system for enhanced
vegetation management.
02:04:32.830 --> 02:04:35.270
We have that down
to the supervisor level,
02:04:35.270 --> 02:04:37.150
as we discussed previously.
02:04:37.150 --> 02:04:41.410
And for the last six plus weeks
02:04:41.410 --> 02:04:44.390
we've continued to hit
that or exceed that plan.
02:04:44.390 --> 02:04:48.890
So from a resource balance perspective
02:04:48.890 --> 02:04:53.890
we are balanced and well
positioned to execute the work.
02:04:54.498 --> 02:04:56.890
And we have a continued focus on safety
02:04:56.890 --> 02:04:59.010
and doing it with the
highest level of quality.
02:04:59.010 --> 02:05:01.953
So I feel good about
where we are in execution
02:05:01.953 --> 02:05:03.730
Executive Director Peterson.
02:05:03.730 --> 02:05:07.597
The piece that Andrew spoke
to the two elements of risk
02:05:07.597 --> 02:05:10.790
and how it manifests
itself is if there is
02:05:10.790 --> 02:05:15.790
a potential set of fires like
we saw in August of last year,
02:05:16.150 --> 02:05:19.170
many of those caused by dry lightning,
02:05:19.170 --> 02:05:22.080
it deviates our qualified
02:05:22.080 --> 02:05:25.650
set of vegetation management
resources to those areas,
02:05:25.650 --> 02:05:28.530
so we can assess and remove
02:05:28.530 --> 02:05:30.860
the risk of potential
trees that were impacted
02:05:30.860 --> 02:05:32.360
by the fire footprint
02:05:32.360 --> 02:05:34.740
that now pose a threat to our assets
02:05:34.740 --> 02:05:36.250
that have to be remediated, right?
02:05:36.250 --> 02:05:41.040
So that was a big shift
of our resources in 2020.
02:05:42.400 --> 02:05:44.950
So that's one element
of how the execution risk
02:05:44.950 --> 02:05:46.390
manifest itself.
02:05:46.390 --> 02:05:49.750
The second element, again related to
02:05:49.750 --> 02:05:51.530
potential wildfires that may occur
02:05:51.530 --> 02:05:56.530
the impact the area
cause and that will cause
02:05:56.550 --> 02:05:58.860
the same areas where
we're focused on doing
02:05:58.860 --> 02:06:00.510
the enhanced vegetation management work,
02:06:00.510 --> 02:06:03.930
because now we are looking to identify
02:06:03.930 --> 02:06:07.007
where can we safely
access and get work done.
02:06:07.007 --> 02:06:09.070
And if we're pulling things in
02:06:09.070 --> 02:06:12.820
that were not already as
part of the pre-planning stage,
02:06:12.820 --> 02:06:15.370
now it puts us a little
bit behind the eight ball
02:06:15.370 --> 02:06:18.330
from a project timeline
execution perspective.
02:06:18.330 --> 02:06:21.840
So I would say that
that's the biggest variable
02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:25.890
is the potential risk of
unanticipated wildfires
02:06:25.890 --> 02:06:28.740
that we may see within our system
02:06:28.740 --> 02:06:30.803
coming out of last year's experience.
02:06:32.367 --> 02:06:37.030
I have a question if I may,
02:06:37.030 --> 02:06:38.580
I'm sorry, if I'm interrupting.
02:06:40.490 --> 02:06:45.337
Last time we all met and
Chief Porter was with us
02:06:47.500 --> 02:06:49.620
as was Director Ghilarducci
02:06:49.620 --> 02:06:53.270
and Chief Porter showed some concern
02:06:53.270 --> 02:06:56.010
about you all being in the field
02:06:56.010 --> 02:06:58.610
during this high fire season.
02:06:58.610 --> 02:07:00.800
And of course, now we know we're in
02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:03.330
as what just Andrew just stated
02:07:03.330 --> 02:07:05.800
we're in this terrible drought situation
02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:08.963
with roads being drier than
they've been since the drought.
02:07:10.080 --> 02:07:14.550
And so I know he was
extremely concerned about
02:07:15.420 --> 02:07:17.923
the wildfire danger that you all could,
02:07:18.920 --> 02:07:20.720
there I say it create
02:07:20.720 --> 02:07:25.720
by being out in the field sign clearing,
02:07:25.730 --> 02:07:28.480
doing the things you do with machinery,
02:07:28.480 --> 02:07:30.800
which is we know from past experience,
02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:35.800
machinery often does
create a spark that ignites.
02:07:35.900 --> 02:07:40.560
So I don't know that there's
much you can say about that,
02:07:40.560 --> 02:07:44.060
but what kind of prevention,
maybe preventive measures
02:07:44.060 --> 02:07:49.060
are you taking to be sure
that these tree removal teams,
02:07:49.570 --> 02:07:53.890
your boots on the ground
are being fire safety assured?
02:07:58.418 --> 02:08:00.530
Yeah. Thank you
president for that question,
02:08:00.530 --> 02:08:02.120
A great question.
02:08:02.120 --> 02:08:06.670
So a couple of things that
we're doing in that space.
02:08:06.670 --> 02:08:10.730
So we publish an issue what we call
02:08:10.730 --> 02:08:14.660
our fire potential index every day.
02:08:14.660 --> 02:08:17.520
And then we all just team up on this
02:08:17.520 --> 02:08:22.520
and they provide by region
what the forecasted risk is
02:08:22.550 --> 02:08:26.370
of a potential fire
spread if ignition occurs
02:08:26.370 --> 02:08:28.630
and we have different levels of ratings
02:08:28.630 --> 02:08:30.750
that start from the lowest rating
02:08:30.750 --> 02:08:31.900
of what's called R1
02:08:32.960 --> 02:08:35.993
all the way to a level
of what's called R5.
02:08:37.410 --> 02:08:41.900
And that information
is updated every day
02:08:41.900 --> 02:08:44.720
on a rolling three-day look ahead.
02:08:44.720 --> 02:08:48.270
So that information
directly becomes an input
02:08:48.270 --> 02:08:49.730
into the work plan for
02:08:49.730 --> 02:08:51.900
not just our vegetation
management teams,
02:08:51.900 --> 02:08:55.750
but all the operating teams
across the organization,
02:08:55.750 --> 02:08:57.440
including our gas operations team.
02:08:57.440 --> 02:08:59.300
For example, if they're
working on pipeline
02:08:59.300 --> 02:09:01.730
and doing welding on a day, right?
02:09:01.730 --> 02:09:04.140
That could also be
potentially ignition risk.
02:09:04.140 --> 02:09:06.740
So the first is that awareness
02:09:06.740 --> 02:09:08.660
of what is that level of risk.
02:09:08.660 --> 02:09:11.120
And we have an operational procedure
02:09:11.120 --> 02:09:15.960
that we have implemented
and dispatch appropriately
02:09:15.960 --> 02:09:19.060
to all of our contractors
and our internal teams.
02:09:19.060 --> 02:09:23.900
We did that last year and
based on that respective rating
02:09:23.900 --> 02:09:28.120
there's specific requirements
and that those crews have
02:09:28.120 --> 02:09:30.510
things like minimum
amount of water with them
02:09:30.510 --> 02:09:33.970
in case there is a potential
ignition that occurs,
02:09:33.970 --> 02:09:35.610
fire extinguisher.
02:09:35.610 --> 02:09:38.390
And when we get to that highest rating
02:09:38.390 --> 02:09:42.633
work gets stood down as
a measure of prevention.
02:09:43.853 --> 02:09:45.130
And then in addition to that,
02:09:45.130 --> 02:09:50.130
to validate the inherence
to those procedures,
02:09:50.270 --> 02:09:54.030
we have internal team that we stood up
02:09:54.030 --> 02:09:56.900
called the safety
infrastructure protection team.
02:09:56.900 --> 02:09:59.770
We've included this in
the wildfire mitigation plan.
02:09:59.770 --> 02:10:00.900
We worked with the California
02:10:00.900 --> 02:10:02.950
Professional Firefighters Union,
02:10:02.950 --> 02:10:06.710
as well as our own internal IBW 1245,
02:10:06.710 --> 02:10:10.960
where we have the
former fire professionals
02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:13.830
that are and have a clear understanding
02:10:13.830 --> 02:10:16.300
of what prevention
measure needs to take place,
02:10:16.300 --> 02:10:20.920
what equipment needs to be on the job
02:10:20.920 --> 02:10:22.570
with these respective crews.
02:10:22.570 --> 02:10:25.420
And then they actually visit the crews
02:10:25.420 --> 02:10:27.570
to validate the utterance
to these procedures.
02:10:27.570 --> 02:10:29.890
So those are the things that we're doing
02:10:29.890 --> 02:10:33.040
in that space from an
operational execution perspective,
02:10:33.040 --> 02:10:34.560
so that the work that we're doing
02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:36.470
for the safety of the community
02:10:36.470 --> 02:10:40.040
does not lead to an
unintended consequence
02:10:40.040 --> 02:10:41.890
of being the source of that ignition.
02:10:43.240 --> 02:10:44.200
Okay. That's helpful.
02:10:44.200 --> 02:10:47.180
So you're going back to
your last year example,
02:10:47.180 --> 02:10:50.440
very helpful example
of the five supervisors
02:10:50.440 --> 02:10:51.750
wording to the manager.
02:10:51.750 --> 02:10:54.160
So those five supervisors would have
02:10:54.160 --> 02:10:55.920
the situational awareness.
02:10:55.920 --> 02:10:57.840
They get the report every day.
02:10:57.840 --> 02:11:00.510
And I don't know whether
they do team meetings
02:11:00.510 --> 02:11:03.730
or crew calls or whatever
at the beginning of the day.
02:11:03.730 --> 02:11:05.640
That that would be one of those things
02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:10.440
that those supervisors
would be held accountable for
02:11:10.440 --> 02:11:13.287
in terms of informing that crew.
02:11:13.287 --> 02:11:15.933
And many of these crews are contractors.
02:11:18.929 --> 02:11:20.317
That's correct
President Batjer,
02:11:20.317 --> 02:11:22.540
that's exactly what would happen.
02:11:22.540 --> 02:11:23.910
So as the way you framed it, right?
02:11:23.910 --> 02:11:27.460
So there will be accountable,
not just for that day,
02:11:27.460 --> 02:11:30.330
but also the next two days, right,
02:11:30.330 --> 02:11:32.970
because it's a three-day forecast,
02:11:32.970 --> 02:11:34.550
today, tomorrow and the day head
02:11:34.550 --> 02:11:37.810
because the two subsequent
days may end up impacting
02:11:37.810 --> 02:11:40.490
where and how they
have to shift the crews
02:11:40.490 --> 02:11:43.970
in their work plans,
that absolutely gets done
02:11:43.970 --> 02:11:48.493
and is part of the normal
daily operating cadence.
02:11:49.720 --> 02:11:51.453
Okay, that's
helpful. Thank you.
02:11:52.740 --> 02:11:54.503
Sumeet can I
add a point to that?
02:11:55.350 --> 02:11:58.150
The motivation for that
supervisor to do that
02:11:59.350 --> 02:12:01.460
is while it's driven by us,
02:12:01.460 --> 02:12:04.460
we need to do the work
safely and not cause fires.
02:12:04.460 --> 02:12:06.630
It's driven primarily
out of the motivation
02:12:06.630 --> 02:12:10.470
for safety for those crews,
because in these days
02:12:10.470 --> 02:12:14.130
where the conditions
are R3 or R4, right.
02:12:14.130 --> 02:12:18.080
While if it's a windy day it's
also a very hot summer day
02:12:18.080 --> 02:12:21.180
and the crews working out in that open
02:12:21.180 --> 02:12:23.900
feel the effects of that
heat to a great degree.
02:12:23.900 --> 02:12:26.910
So I think you gotta
be very, very, conscious
02:12:26.910 --> 02:12:29.690
about the safety considerations
02:12:29.690 --> 02:12:32.260
that the crews working
in those temperatures
02:12:32.260 --> 02:12:35.017
in specific locations
all across our territory.
02:12:36.500 --> 02:12:37.333
Thank you.
02:12:40.050 --> 02:12:42.350
Okay. I see
another question from
02:12:42.350 --> 02:12:43.833
Caroline Thomas Jacob,
02:12:45.290 --> 02:12:47.580
Thank you Nika yeah,
to follow on that question.
02:12:47.580 --> 02:12:49.800
So my understanding is
that sort of the biggest risks
02:12:49.800 --> 02:12:53.830
to potentially slowing up
work in the fall would be
02:12:53.830 --> 02:12:55.097
if there's a large fire,
02:12:55.097 --> 02:12:57.140
I'm wondering if you could
be a little bit more specific
02:12:57.140 --> 02:12:58.803
around the impact of that,
02:12:59.800 --> 02:13:03.090
is it because the resources
would have to be diverted
02:13:03.090 --> 02:13:05.610
for let's say wildfire response
02:13:05.610 --> 02:13:07.590
from a vegetation
management perspective.
02:13:07.590 --> 02:13:11.210
And then second to Andrew's point
02:13:11.210 --> 02:13:13.330
of just from a crew safety perspective,
02:13:13.330 --> 02:13:15.370
I'm imagining also the smoke, right?
02:13:15.370 --> 02:13:18.080
So maybe the particular
location isn't impacted by the fire,
02:13:18.080 --> 02:13:21.560
but it could be impacted
by the downwind smoke.
02:13:21.560 --> 02:13:23.370
So could you just
speak a little bit more
02:13:23.370 --> 02:13:27.150
to what the actual impact is
02:13:27.150 --> 02:13:29.563
that would delay the EVM work?
02:13:30.800 --> 02:13:33.160
Sumeet do you want
me to kick this off?
02:13:33.160 --> 02:13:35.000
Yes, go ahead Michael.
02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:37.950
So you're exactly right.
02:13:37.950 --> 02:13:40.623
when we look at wildfire impacted areas,
02:13:41.890 --> 02:13:43.880
the smoke is one of the impacts
02:13:43.880 --> 02:13:46.170
certainly on the entire workforce
02:13:46.170 --> 02:13:49.970
and we know that can be
widespread and unpredictable.
02:13:49.970 --> 02:13:52.710
So the second is our first act
02:13:52.710 --> 02:13:55.850
when areas are released to our crews
02:13:55.850 --> 02:13:59.550
is we need to go in and patrol to assess
02:13:59.550 --> 02:14:04.130
the risk associated first
to our crews going in,
02:14:04.130 --> 02:14:05.693
to perform restoration.
02:14:06.920 --> 02:14:09.940
And when we patrol in
the wildfire impacted areas,
02:14:09.940 --> 02:14:12.940
we're patrolling a
minimum of three times.
02:14:12.940 --> 02:14:17.140
So we performed three separate
patrols in the same areas,
02:14:17.140 --> 02:14:19.120
over a phased approach.
02:14:19.120 --> 02:14:22.283
We're trying to first
remove immediate hazards.
02:14:23.890 --> 02:14:28.890
And then we're focused on
hazards to the infrastructure,
02:14:28.956 --> 02:14:32.990
or the locations where
our infrastructure would go.
02:14:32.990 --> 02:14:37.320
And then a final pass to make
sure that nothing was missed.
02:14:37.320 --> 02:14:41.470
That's a pretty significant
increase in scope.
02:14:41.470 --> 02:14:42.910
And we also have to make sure
02:14:42.910 --> 02:14:45.030
that the folks that are going in there
02:14:45.030 --> 02:14:47.230
are properly trained to
be in that environment.
02:14:47.230 --> 02:14:49.510
So that's one impact.
02:14:49.510 --> 02:14:54.320
We have taken steps proactively.
02:14:54.320 --> 02:14:56.480
We've actually modeled
ourselves after Cal Fire
02:14:56.480 --> 02:14:58.170
in the solicitations that they do
02:14:58.170 --> 02:15:02.313
to line up the right resources
to perform the tree work.
02:15:04.540 --> 02:15:06.330
It's not always the same skill set
02:15:06.330 --> 02:15:08.550
that's going out to perform
02:15:08.550 --> 02:15:11.053
routine maintenance for vegetation.
02:15:12.780 --> 02:15:16.860
So we've taken the steps
to make sure we've lined up
02:15:16.860 --> 02:15:18.240
the tree crew resources.
02:15:18.240 --> 02:15:20.490
So there's a lesser impact there,
02:15:20.490 --> 02:15:22.970
but I think ultimately
the variability is
02:15:22.970 --> 02:15:25.180
we don't ever know the magnitude right?
02:15:25.180 --> 02:15:28.840
Last year I don't think
anybody could have predicted
02:15:28.840 --> 02:15:31.450
the magnitude of what
occurred in August,
02:15:31.450 --> 02:15:33.580
so I think that unpredictability.
02:15:33.580 --> 02:15:35.130
And then finally what I would say
02:15:35.130 --> 02:15:36.850
and what Sumeet alluded to
02:15:37.970 --> 02:15:39.840
the wildfires may be impacting areas
02:15:39.840 --> 02:15:42.130
that were in our plan, right?
02:15:42.130 --> 02:15:46.700
And so it would result in
us having to shift resources
02:15:46.700 --> 02:15:49.300
that shift alone and the switching costs
02:15:49.300 --> 02:15:53.583
of changing that work
plan would cause delays.
02:15:54.490 --> 02:15:56.590
That's how I think
about it on the ground.
02:16:06.660 --> 02:16:10.100
Okay. I'm not seeing
any additional questions
02:16:10.950 --> 02:16:12.633
from the Commission panel,
02:16:14.400 --> 02:16:16.250
so thank you everyone for your comments
02:16:16.250 --> 02:16:20.040
and for your questions and
PG&E for your responses.
02:16:20.040 --> 02:16:21.870
At this time I would like to move
02:16:21.870 --> 02:16:23.723
to the public comment period.
02:16:24.780 --> 02:16:27.943
We will devolve up 30 minutes
for public comment period.
02:16:28.850 --> 02:16:30.610
If you would like to make a comment,
02:16:30.610 --> 02:16:32.510
please dial 8008571917
02:16:38.530 --> 02:16:40.547
and enter passcode 5180519
02:16:46.480 --> 02:16:49.280
and press *1.
02:16:49.280 --> 02:16:50.890
This will place you into the queue
02:16:50.890 --> 02:16:54.163
for the operator to take
your name and information.
02:17:08.920 --> 02:17:11.920
The public comment
line is now open one moment.
02:17:29.440 --> 02:17:32.433
Our first public comment comes
from Aron Williams from the,
02:17:33.370 --> 02:17:34.463
your line is open.
02:17:38.370 --> 02:17:39.660
Aron, your line is open.
02:17:43.690 --> 02:17:45.033
Hi. Can you here me?
02:17:46.640 --> 02:17:48.390
We can hear you.
02:17:48.390 --> 02:17:50.980
Hi, sorry I stutter.
02:17:50.980 --> 02:17:52.290
My name is Aron Williams
02:17:52.290 --> 02:17:54.190
I'm with the public advocate's office.
02:17:56.050 --> 02:17:58.760
I have a question about
the communication chain
02:17:58.760 --> 02:18:03.323
that we discussed earlier about
the top-down and bottom-up,
02:18:04.446 --> 02:18:06.800
specifically interested
in that final link
02:18:06.800 --> 02:18:09.240
between the supervisors
and the contractors
02:18:09.240 --> 02:18:11.743
who perform the EVM work.
02:18:12.590 --> 02:18:17.570
We have seen that there
were some difficulties last year
02:18:17.570 --> 02:18:20.420
where PG&E identified some contractors
02:18:20.420 --> 02:18:24.280
who had not been following procedures
02:18:24.280 --> 02:18:28.100
related to I believe it
was poll test and treat
02:18:28.100 --> 02:18:32.080
or where EVM works
verification was done on miles
02:18:32.080 --> 02:18:34.353
that hadn't actually been worked yet.
02:18:35.400 --> 02:18:37.700
So I was wondering if you
could go into a little more detail
02:18:37.700 --> 02:18:41.310
on that final link of how PG&E
02:18:42.370 --> 02:18:45.240
communicates the scope of
EVM work to the contractors
02:18:45.240 --> 02:18:46.340
who are doing the work
02:18:47.370 --> 02:18:49.380
verifies that they understand
02:18:49.380 --> 02:18:51.730
and are following that scope of work,
02:18:51.730 --> 02:18:54.340
and how they're validating
02:18:54.340 --> 02:18:57.780
that that communication
is happening effectively.
02:18:57.780 --> 02:18:59.680
I appreciate your response. Thank you.
02:19:07.170 --> 02:19:10.780
Wait Nika did you want
us to respond to the question
02:19:10.780 --> 02:19:13.770
or did you wanna go
to all the public periods?
02:19:13.770 --> 02:19:15.550
No, I would
prefer if you responded
02:19:15.550 --> 02:19:18.930
to the questions that were
asked that would be great.
02:19:18.930 --> 02:19:20.040
Okay, excellent.
02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:25.000
So again let me tee it
off and then Michael,
02:19:25.000 --> 02:19:28.750
have you provided
some additional details.
02:19:28.750 --> 02:19:32.580
So in regards to that
communication link,
02:19:32.580 --> 02:19:34.180
and thank you for that question.
02:19:35.150 --> 02:19:38.910
That communication
link really is happening
02:19:38.910 --> 02:19:43.680
with that supervisor from a
work assignment perspective
02:19:43.680 --> 02:19:45.220
for that given week,
02:19:45.220 --> 02:19:49.730
and that it's getting measured
upon on a daily basis,
02:19:49.730 --> 02:19:53.690
as we discussed from a daily
operating review standpoint.
02:19:53.690 --> 02:19:58.690
And the way the mechanism
that the supervisor is relying on
02:19:58.820 --> 02:20:02.960
that respective tree
crew complete all the work
02:20:02.960 --> 02:20:05.910
that was assigned to
them in the work plan
02:20:05.910 --> 02:20:10.540
is through the independent
work verification step,
02:20:10.540 --> 02:20:13.240
which is a third step in the process
02:20:13.240 --> 02:20:15.230
that Michael was speaking of
02:20:15.230 --> 02:20:20.230
and that work verification
that's occurring now
02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:24.010
is not occurring with
the same contract entity
02:20:24.010 --> 02:20:25.670
that's doing the pre-work,
02:20:25.670 --> 02:20:27.520
'cause that creates
a conflict of interest.
02:20:27.520 --> 02:20:32.170
So there's a separate
entity that is going out,
02:20:32.170 --> 02:20:34.820
sending up registered
and professional arborist
02:20:34.820 --> 02:20:38.870
to validate that the tree
crews have completed the work
02:20:38.870 --> 02:20:42.580
that was prescribed by the pre-inspector
02:20:42.580 --> 02:20:45.870
and there's no gaps
or nothing was missed.
02:20:45.870 --> 02:20:49.010
And that's happening on
a a hundred percent basis,
02:20:49.010 --> 02:20:52.340
so that's the last step in the process.
02:20:52.340 --> 02:20:53.630
The other thing that we've added,
02:20:53.630 --> 02:20:55.730
which is different this year
02:20:55.730 --> 02:20:57.890
than what we had previously
02:20:57.890 --> 02:21:01.670
is we have internalized and establish
02:21:01.670 --> 02:21:06.050
a internal vegetation
management inspection team.
02:21:06.050 --> 02:21:10.870
So these are PG&E employees
that are out on job sites
02:21:10.870 --> 02:21:13.690
when the tree crews are doing work
02:21:13.690 --> 02:21:17.030
to A validate that are they following
02:21:17.030 --> 02:21:18.750
all the safe work practices
02:21:18.750 --> 02:21:22.660
consistent with the
safe work procedures,
02:21:22.660 --> 02:21:25.950
as well as validating
the quality of the work
02:21:25.950 --> 02:21:28.630
that's being performed,
not just by the tree crew,
02:21:28.630 --> 02:21:31.840
but by the pre-inspector
that prescribed the work
02:21:31.840 --> 02:21:33.300
in the first place.
02:21:33.300 --> 02:21:38.300
So that vegetation management
inspection team is a new team
02:21:38.520 --> 02:21:40.320
that's been stood up this year
02:21:40.320 --> 02:21:43.120
and they go out and visit
02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:45.880
with each of the crews
as work is happening
02:21:45.880 --> 02:21:49.750
to ensure that that validation
is happening real time.
02:21:49.750 --> 02:21:53.550
So those are two specific
mechanisms by which
02:21:53.550 --> 02:21:58.340
that respective supervisor
is validating and verifying
02:21:58.340 --> 02:21:59.190
that there's no daylight
02:21:59.190 --> 02:22:01.130
between the work plan that they assign
02:22:01.130 --> 02:22:03.600
to the work that's
actually getting completed
02:22:03.600 --> 02:22:06.430
in accordance with our
established procedures.
02:22:06.430 --> 02:22:09.470
With that Michael I'll let you
02:22:09.470 --> 02:22:11.460
add anything to that if you'd like.
02:22:12.562 --> 02:22:14.770
Sure. Thank you Sumeet
you covered that very well.
02:22:14.770 --> 02:22:16.740
The only thing that I would add is
02:22:16.740 --> 02:22:19.653
as part of these daily
operating reviews,
02:22:20.870 --> 02:22:22.770
we've greatly improved the feedback loop
02:22:22.770 --> 02:22:24.600
in the flow of information.
02:22:24.600 --> 02:22:29.600
And so we know immediately
if there are any issues
02:22:30.170 --> 02:22:33.080
and we can remedy those very quickly,
02:22:33.080 --> 02:22:34.593
I would have to say last year
02:22:34.593 --> 02:22:37.730
that we didn't have a
consistent process to ensure that,
02:22:37.730 --> 02:22:40.640
but that is definitely
in place this year.
02:22:40.640 --> 02:22:41.473
Thank you.
02:22:44.750 --> 02:22:46.750
Nika this is Rachel.
02:22:46.750 --> 02:22:51.120
I'm just gonna jump into identify that
02:22:51.120 --> 02:22:53.040
this is a public comment period,
02:22:53.040 --> 02:22:55.240
and we do want to
make sure that everybody
02:22:55.240 --> 02:22:58.720
who's queued up to make
comment has a chance to do so,
02:22:58.720 --> 02:23:01.713
because we will need to
end at four o'clock today.
02:23:02.820 --> 02:23:05.580
This is one of the drawbacks
of the virtual environment.
02:23:05.580 --> 02:23:10.230
We don't get to have the
same Q&A that we often do
02:23:10.230 --> 02:23:13.070
when we host workshops in person.
02:23:13.070 --> 02:23:14.520
But so for the time being
02:23:14.520 --> 02:23:17.370
while I'm glad that PG&E
answered that question.
02:23:17.370 --> 02:23:21.430
We will tend not to have
PG&E answer questions
02:23:21.430 --> 02:23:24.180
from the public unless
we make it to the end
02:23:24.180 --> 02:23:27.963
before four o'clock and there's
an opportunity to respond.
02:23:28.980 --> 02:23:29.813
Thank you.
02:23:31.410 --> 02:23:33.180
Our next public
comment comes from
02:23:33.180 --> 02:23:34.970
professor Katherine Sandoval.
02:23:34.970 --> 02:23:36.083
Your line is open.
02:23:37.920 --> 02:23:38.753
Thank you very much
02:23:38.753 --> 02:23:41.140
and thank you for this workshop.
02:23:41.140 --> 02:23:44.920
I wanted to express my concern about
02:23:46.200 --> 02:23:49.020
PG&E continuing problem,
02:23:49.020 --> 02:23:54.020
with failing to be forthcoming
about it's safety issues.
02:23:54.730 --> 02:23:57.240
And you also did mention
02:23:57.240 --> 02:23:59.640
that you're trying to
create an environment
02:23:59.640 --> 02:24:03.260
that makes it safe for
workers to raise these issues
02:24:03.260 --> 02:24:04.600
and that is important
02:24:04.600 --> 02:24:07.560
and part of that is also making sure
02:24:07.560 --> 02:24:09.600
that PG&E own theories,
02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:12.253
such as reliance on visual inspections,
02:24:13.340 --> 02:24:16.880
don't get in the way of
actually analyzing issues.
02:24:16.880 --> 02:24:19.530
And specifically, this
was raised in the context of
02:24:19.530 --> 02:24:24.257
PG&E filed a letter with the
CPUC on May 7th of 2021
02:24:25.200 --> 02:24:28.220
disclosing a widespread safety issue
02:24:28.220 --> 02:24:33.220
involving more than
543,000 still untreated poles,
02:24:34.540 --> 02:24:39.540
which PG&E disclosed
are at risk of failure
02:24:40.730 --> 02:24:43.390
due to wood rot.
02:24:43.390 --> 02:24:48.390
And there was an incident
in mid 2020 in Danville
02:24:50.010 --> 02:24:55.010
where a pole collapsed
and hit the roof of a house.
02:24:55.330 --> 02:24:57.680
The line fell into a
nearby swimming pool
02:24:57.680 --> 02:25:02.590
and by the grace of luck in
God no one was electrocuted,
02:25:02.590 --> 02:25:07.340
but it turns out that this was
a very widespread problem.
02:25:07.340 --> 02:25:11.960
And in its letter PG&E didn't disclose
02:25:11.960 --> 02:25:13.830
how many of the still untreated poles
02:25:13.830 --> 02:25:16.180
are in high wildfire danger areas.
02:25:16.180 --> 02:25:20.070
I understand that over
200,000 of those poles
02:25:20.070 --> 02:25:23.280
are in high wildfire danger areas.
02:25:23.280 --> 02:25:27.890
PG&E also did not
serve a copy of that letter
02:25:27.890 --> 02:25:32.890
on other CPUC surface
lists such as R1810007,
02:25:33.150 --> 02:25:36.900
neither has it submitted the
information about this problem
02:25:36.900 --> 02:25:40.780
to Judge Alper in the Federal
criminal probation case.
02:25:40.780 --> 02:25:45.330
PG&E news letter recognizes
that this is a safety issue
02:25:45.330 --> 02:25:47.220
and particularly since
02:25:47.220 --> 02:25:50.550
these are in high wildfire danger areas,
02:25:50.550 --> 02:25:51.940
it is a big issue.
02:25:51.940 --> 02:25:56.790
And in fact in PG&E's
2021 wildfire mitigation plan,
02:25:56.790 --> 02:25:59.930
there's literally one word about fell on
02:25:59.930 --> 02:26:04.320
where they mentioned fell
on as a pole failure risk factor,
02:26:04.320 --> 02:26:07.720
but they've previously
failed to mention this issue
02:26:07.720 --> 02:26:10.400
in for example their
last general big case
02:26:10.400 --> 02:26:14.710
or in their previous
wildfire mitigation plan.
02:26:14.710 --> 02:26:16.300
So there were a lot of questions about
02:26:16.300 --> 02:26:18.540
when PG&E first knew about this.
02:26:18.540 --> 02:26:22.090
There are other industry operators,
02:26:22.090 --> 02:26:23.350
for example in Pennsylvania,
02:26:23.350 --> 02:26:24.760
that reported a widespread problem
02:26:24.760 --> 02:26:27.740
with fell untreated poles in 2016.
02:26:27.740 --> 02:26:31.040
So I just wanted to underscore
that as the Commission
02:26:31.040 --> 02:26:34.520
is looking at compliance and oversight,
02:26:34.520 --> 02:26:39.520
that this whole issue of
PG&E's failure to be forthcoming
02:26:40.850 --> 02:26:44.343
is one of the issues that
needs to be addressed.
02:26:45.300 --> 02:26:49.240
And it's failure to
disclose even something,
02:26:49.240 --> 02:26:54.240
you know, they disclosed
very minimally in May
02:26:54.370 --> 02:26:57.750
and really didn't submit the information
02:26:57.750 --> 02:27:01.140
in other proceedings that
should have had this information.
02:27:01.140 --> 02:27:06.140
So I encourage the CPUC
to follow up on this issue
02:27:06.190 --> 02:27:11.190
and we look forward to
hearing more from PG&E
02:27:11.430 --> 02:27:15.100
about its attention to this widespread
02:27:15.100 --> 02:27:18.330
public safety risks that affects both
02:27:18.330 --> 02:27:20.690
high wildfire danger areas
02:27:20.690 --> 02:27:24.000
and more than 300,000
poles in urban areas,
02:27:24.000 --> 02:27:26.450
including in people's backyards.
02:27:26.450 --> 02:27:28.010
So thank you very much.
02:27:30.740 --> 02:27:33.170
So in this question
was that specifically related
02:27:33.170 --> 02:27:35.150
to PG&E corrective action plan?
02:27:35.150 --> 02:27:36.887
can we pleased have the operator
02:27:36.887 --> 02:27:38.283
move to the next question.
02:27:39.240 --> 02:27:40.550
Thank you.
02:27:40.550 --> 02:27:43.550
Our next comment comes from Will Abrams.
02:27:43.550 --> 02:27:45.040
Your line is open Will.
02:27:47.960 --> 02:27:48.810
Hi Commissioners.
02:27:48.810 --> 02:27:52.010
Thank you very much for
holding this important meeting.
02:27:52.010 --> 02:27:54.780
I did wanna make one statement
02:27:54.780 --> 02:27:56.850
echoing Ms. Sandoval's comment
02:27:56.850 --> 02:27:59.010
and then I had five questions
02:27:59.010 --> 02:28:02.510
just hoping that we can
get to that at some point.
02:28:02.510 --> 02:28:05.470
My statement is along the lines of what
02:28:05.470 --> 02:28:09.690
Ms. Sandoval indicated
and I've heard a few times
02:28:09.690 --> 02:28:12.400
both Commissioners and PG&E
02:28:12.400 --> 02:28:16.340
referenced their track
record as falling short.
02:28:16.340 --> 02:28:19.150
And I just would be careful
with that type of language,
02:28:19.150 --> 02:28:21.660
obviously the victims of their fires
02:28:21.660 --> 02:28:25.700
and the people who
have lost lives and homes,
02:28:25.700 --> 02:28:29.440
would certainly not refer
to this as falling short.
02:28:29.440 --> 02:28:32.850
And I think we need
to call it what it is.
02:28:32.850 --> 02:28:34.880
In terms of my questions
02:28:34.880 --> 02:28:37.970
I would like to sort of understand
02:28:37.970 --> 02:28:41.490
whether the overestimation
02:28:41.490 --> 02:28:44.320
of the Statewide vegetation management
02:28:44.320 --> 02:28:45.540
that was reported today,
02:28:45.540 --> 02:28:48.980
I guess that was 690% overestimation
02:28:48.980 --> 02:28:51.440
of the Statewide vegetation management
02:28:51.440 --> 02:28:54.870
has been factored into
the PG&E risk modeling.
02:28:54.870 --> 02:28:57.700
'Cause obviously we're
not operating in a vacuum
02:28:57.700 --> 02:29:00.620
and we're all reliant upon each other.
02:29:00.620 --> 02:29:04.280
And so if our community
wildfire protection plans
02:29:04.280 --> 02:29:08.300
and Statewide plans and
PG&E's plans are not integrated
02:29:08.300 --> 02:29:10.010
and reflective of each other
02:29:10.010 --> 02:29:12.520
I'm not sure we're making progress.
02:29:12.520 --> 02:29:17.520
And the other point along
those lines is looking for where
02:29:17.540 --> 02:29:22.140
the past fires have been
mapped to the corrective actions.
02:29:22.140 --> 02:29:25.480
So I see no indication in any of this
02:29:25.480 --> 02:29:28.090
or in the wildfire mitigation plan,
02:29:28.090 --> 02:29:29.730
here's what caused the Kincade fire.
02:29:29.730 --> 02:29:32.720
Was PG&E responsible
for causing the Kincade fire?
02:29:32.720 --> 02:29:35.540
And here's what we've
done to correct that problem.
02:29:35.540 --> 02:29:37.330
Here's what's caused the Tubbs fire.
02:29:37.330 --> 02:29:39.360
Here's what caused the Zog fire.
02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:43.600
And mapping those specific
failures to corrective actions.
02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:46.110
And I just don't think
we can have an effective
02:29:46.110 --> 02:29:49.470
corrective action plan
unless we understand
02:29:49.470 --> 02:29:52.890
and have mapped those very specifically.
02:29:52.890 --> 02:29:55.290
Moreover, I've heard
comments in this meeting
02:29:55.290 --> 02:29:59.780
about how drought
conditions and other factors
02:29:59.780 --> 02:30:02.300
have not been incorporated
into the modeling.
02:30:02.300 --> 02:30:04.010
And I would just stress the fact that
02:30:04.010 --> 02:30:07.650
models need to make
sure that when we have
02:30:07.650 --> 02:30:11.700
a higher drought conditions
and other external factors,
02:30:11.700 --> 02:30:14.460
those have to be
incorporated in the modeling
02:30:14.460 --> 02:30:16.370
and shouldn't throw off the model,
02:30:16.370 --> 02:30:20.040
they need to be
incorporated within them.
02:30:20.040 --> 02:30:23.370
Otherwise, again, we don't
have effective risk modeling.
02:30:23.370 --> 02:30:25.380
And just my last point very quickly,
02:30:25.380 --> 02:30:28.550
is I do want to remind
the Commission and PG&E
02:30:28.550 --> 02:30:31.310
that there are victims
that are currently holding
02:30:31.310 --> 02:30:36.310
24% of PG&E shares
that are very much tied
02:30:37.390 --> 02:30:39.490
to this corrective action plan,
02:30:39.490 --> 02:30:41.240
because while other investors
02:30:41.240 --> 02:30:44.690
have hedged and sold and maneuvered,
02:30:44.690 --> 02:30:49.690
PG&E victims are holding
stock during this time period,
02:30:50.120 --> 02:30:54.490
we're forced to hold stock
during this time period.
02:30:54.490 --> 02:30:58.520
So not only are our personal
lives and our houses at risk,
02:30:58.520 --> 02:31:00.640
but our financial future as well.
02:31:00.640 --> 02:31:03.310
I just wanted to bring that to
the Commission's attention.
02:31:03.310 --> 02:31:04.443
Thank you very much.
02:31:09.450 --> 02:31:11.210
If you wish to
make a public comment,
02:31:11.210 --> 02:31:14.020
please press *1 unmute your phone
02:31:14.020 --> 02:31:16.670
and record your name
and organization clearly
02:31:16.670 --> 02:31:19.020
when prompted so I may introduce you.
02:31:19.020 --> 02:31:21.580
Again *1 to make a comment.
02:31:21.580 --> 02:31:23.563
Our next public comment comes from.
02:31:25.748 --> 02:31:27.380
Tom Barrasso.
02:31:27.380 --> 02:31:28.930
Your line is open.
02:31:30.670 --> 02:31:33.733
Hi, I'm Tom Barrasso from
the public advocate's office.
02:31:34.650 --> 02:31:36.473
Just looking back from the timeline.
02:31:37.830 --> 02:31:42.830
I see that there is
the intention reporting
02:31:43.560 --> 02:31:44.693
by February, 2022.
02:31:46.610 --> 02:31:48.990
And according to the presentation
02:31:48.990 --> 02:31:53.990
that gives ample time for the
CPUC to review and approve
02:31:55.180 --> 02:31:58.920
of the miles worked on my question is,
02:31:58.920 --> 02:32:02.000
what kind of review process does
02:32:03.410 --> 02:32:05.310
PG&E or the Commission expect to
02:32:07.160 --> 02:32:09.140
undertake during that one month?
02:32:09.140 --> 02:32:12.160
And would that be
enough to cover the 1800
02:32:12.160 --> 02:32:15.193
or up to 2,224 miles?
02:32:28.130 --> 02:32:29.270
So I'll step in here.
02:32:29.270 --> 02:32:30.420
Thank you for that question,
02:32:30.420 --> 02:32:34.240
but consistent with what I said earlier,
02:32:34.240 --> 02:32:36.130
we're gonna try to not
address the questions
02:32:36.130 --> 02:32:38.170
directly right now to
make sure that everyone
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has a chance to speak.
02:32:39.560 --> 02:32:42.260
But I appreciate the question
and I've taken a note of it.
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Thank you.
02:32:44.130 --> 02:32:45.660
If you wish to
make a public comment,
02:32:45.660 --> 02:32:48.140
please press *1, unmute your phone
02:32:48.140 --> 02:32:50.170
and record your name and organization
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for question and introduction.
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One moment.
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There are no more callers
on the public comment line.
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Great, thank you.
02:33:23.450 --> 02:33:25.600
With that I will turn it back to
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Executive Director Peterson
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to give her closing remarks of
this workshop and next steps.
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Thank you.
02:33:35.730 --> 02:33:37.380
Thank you very much Nika.
02:33:37.380 --> 02:33:40.280
Actually let me check and see
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if either Commissioner Rechtschaffen
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or President Batjer
have any closing remarks.
02:33:46.610 --> 02:33:51.480
No, thank you Executive
Director Peterson.
02:33:51.480 --> 02:33:52.620
I really don't at this time.
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I've asked the questions
along the lines, so thank you.
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I just wanted to thank
PG&E for their presentation
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and the response to
very important action.
02:34:08.550 --> 02:34:09.383
Thank you.
02:34:18.304 --> 02:34:21.804
Commissioner
Rechtschaffen you're muted.
02:34:33.960 --> 02:34:36.490
Can we ensure that the
operator has unmuted
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen please.
02:34:39.240 --> 02:34:40.760
Excuse me,
this is the operator.
02:34:40.760 --> 02:34:43.733
I think Commissioner,
his line has dropped.
02:34:48.730 --> 02:34:51.500
All right. I will continue
with closing remarks.
02:34:51.500 --> 02:34:53.950
I joined President
Batjer in thanking PG&E
02:34:54.960 --> 02:34:57.490
for the thorough presentations today
02:34:57.490 --> 02:34:59.223
and for answering our questions.
02:35:00.300 --> 02:35:03.180
I thank you to everybody
who's been watching the webcast
02:35:03.180 --> 02:35:07.153
and the callers who called
in to give public comment.
02:35:08.670 --> 02:35:11.690
As noted at the outset of the workshop
02:35:13.940 --> 02:35:16.490
we did get a chance to
ask some of our questions
02:35:16.490 --> 02:35:19.910
about some of the gaps
in information deficits
02:35:19.910 --> 02:35:22.520
that we saw in the
corrective action plan.
02:35:22.520 --> 02:35:24.850
And we will be sending a data request
02:35:24.850 --> 02:35:28.340
to PG&E sometime next week.
02:35:28.340 --> 02:35:31.170
After that I will be in a position
02:35:31.170 --> 02:35:35.270
to determine how to act
on the corrective action plan.
02:35:35.270 --> 02:35:37.700
As noted as well we'll be looking for
02:35:37.700 --> 02:35:41.930
that August 6th, 90 day update.
02:35:41.930 --> 02:35:44.610
And we got a preview
of some of the information
02:35:44.610 --> 02:35:46.810
that you'll be including in that update.
02:35:46.810 --> 02:35:49.090
And I certainly look
forward to understanding
02:35:49.090 --> 02:35:51.140
whether you're continuing
to make progress
02:35:51.140 --> 02:35:53.720
on the enhanced vegetation management
02:35:53.720 --> 02:35:56.310
in those 99 circuit protection zones
02:35:56.310 --> 02:35:59.740
in the highest fire threat areas.
02:35:59.740 --> 02:36:03.870
And as also noted I have asked
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Nika and her team to work on
02:36:06.750 --> 02:36:08.950
setting up a workshop in September
02:36:08.950 --> 02:36:12.670
so that stakeholders
can also hear directly
02:36:12.670 --> 02:36:15.280
from PG&E much as we did today,
02:36:15.280 --> 02:36:20.150
about their progress against
the corrective action plan.
02:36:20.150 --> 02:36:24.830
Again we're looking for
demonstrated progress
02:36:24.830 --> 02:36:27.110
in safe operation.
02:36:27.110 --> 02:36:28.457
Today was an important first step
02:36:28.457 --> 02:36:31.210
and I do thank everyone for joining.
02:36:31.210 --> 02:36:32.043
Thank you.
02:36:35.460 --> 02:36:37.560
This concludes
today's presentation.
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You may disconnect at this time.