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(gavel hammers)
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This meeting of the
Public Utility Commission
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of Texas will come to
order to consider matters
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that have been duly posted
with the Secretary of State
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of Texas from May 21, 2021.
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For the record, my name is Peter Lake,
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and with me today is Will McAdams.
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To start off, we've got
a few items for consent.
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Mister Jennae, could you
walk us through those please?
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Good morning Commissioners.
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By individual ballot, the
following items replaced
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on your Consent Agenda,
21, 24, 33, 36 and 39.
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Is there a motion
to approve the items
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just described by Mister Jennae?
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So moved.
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Second, all those
in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Motion passes.
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At this time I'd like to open
it up for public comment.
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All comments related
to a specific agenda item
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will be heard when
that item is taken up.
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This is for general comments
to be made to the Commission.
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Speakers will be limited
to four minutes each.
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Can the operator come
on and provide instructions
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to the public on how they can
speak once they're recognized?
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Yes,
ladies and gentlemen,
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if you wish to make a
comment please press one
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then zero on your touch-tone phone.
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You may remove yourself
from the queue at any time
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by repeating the one-zero command.
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Once again, if you have a comment,
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please press one-zero at this time.
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One moment please
while I gather the name
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for the first comment.
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(papers shuffling)
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Our first comment will come
from the line of Brandon Young.
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Please go ahead.
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Thank
you Chairman Lake
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and Commissioner
McAdams for hearing me today.
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Again, my name is Brandon Young
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and I am the CEO of Payless Power.
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Texas retail electrical
providers, or REPs,
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need your help to survive,
and continue to provide
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a vibrant, competitive
marketplace for Texas consumers.
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The Commission must
immediately act and rescind
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the moratorium on
disconnection for non-payment
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that's been in effect since
February 12th of this year.
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Or we at least ask that
you provide guidance
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as to when we can expect
a return to normal rules
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for the market.
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The Commission has never
before allowed a moratorium
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on disconnection to last this long.
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The public emergency
ended weeks ago, and yet,
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the right to Payless
Power and all of the REPs
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continue to prejudiced
which is in violation
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of the rule that allows a
suspension in the first place.
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We ask that the Commission act now.
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We're now being
required to purchase power
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to serve customers who
do not pay their electric bills.
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The competitive
industries cannot last long
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if this situation continues.
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Like any business,
we must have the ability
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to enforce balances owed.
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We ask that you please
rule today on this matter.
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Thank you, Mister Young.
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There's no
additional comments at this time.
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With no further comments,
public comment is closed.
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Moving onto the rest of our agenda.
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I don't have anything for
one through 10, do you?
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Same here.
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I am open on one through 10.
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All right, we'll
start with item 11.
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Mister Jennae.
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Commissioners, before
you is a proposed order
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that would allow TUSF support
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to remain in the McDade exchange.
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I have a memo with proposed corrections.
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Thank you, sir.
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The biggest item for
me on this is visibility.
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On the economics between
the entities and the competitors.
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So, I think these orders
are okay going forward.
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The more visibility the
Commission can get,
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I think, the better.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I'd agree with that.
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Especially the more complex,
those models become,
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and the applications.
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I agree, the more information
we can get, the better,
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so I'm in alignment with you.
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Do you have a motion?
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Yeah, motion to approve.
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The motion approved
with corrective memo.
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Second, all in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Motion passes.
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Next item please.
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We have a proposed order
again to allow TUSF support
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to remain in the Page exchange.
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I have a memo with proposed corrections.
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Same general thoughts here.
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Same.
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Motion to approve to
adopt the proposed order.
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So moved.
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With corrections.
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With corrections, excuse me.
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I'll second that motion
with corrections.
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All in favor.
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Aye.
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Aye, motion passes.
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Next item please, Mister Jennae.
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Again a proposed order
that would allow TUSF support
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to remain in the telephone exchange.
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I have a memo with proposed corrections.
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Same thoughts, visibility on
economics in the competitors.
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Move to approve
with corrective memo.
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Second.
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All in favor, aye.
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Aye.
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Motion passes.
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Thank you.
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Next item please.
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Item 14, we have a
proposed order that would allow
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TUSF support to remain
in the Wallace exchange,
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and I have a correction memo.
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This is a bigger exchange
but still has the visibility.
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Same thing.
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Is there a motion to
adopt the proposed order
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as modified by Mister Jennae's memo?
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So moved.
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Second, all in favor, aye.
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Aye.
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Motion passes.
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Do we have anything on the next item?
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Not for me on 15.
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15, all right.
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Move onto 16, Mister Jennae?
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16 is docket file 284, a
complaint of Jamie Sloss
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against AEP Texas.
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You have before you a
proposal for a decision
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in which ALJ recommends
that you deny the complaint.
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Exceptions and replies were filed.
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ALJ's recommended no
changes to the proposal.
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I have a memo with proposed corrections,
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and you have granted
(indistinct) in this case.
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Any thoughts or comments?
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Or do you wanna start
with the oral argument?
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I think we start with
the oral argument.
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Sounds good.
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Operator could you bring
up the, do we have the?
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William, we
have people that need
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to talk on this item 16.
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Could you tell them
how to get in please?
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(indistinct)
as a co-host.
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Who are we looking for?
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They're gonna
be in the public sector.
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They need to hit the
one-zero to come in.
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Jamie Sloss is one we expect,
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and someone from AEP I would guess.
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If you need to speak,
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please press one then zero at this time.
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(phone pinging)
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Four minutes, sir?
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Please.
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One moment please,
we're gathering the names.
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The first name on the
list, please go ahead.
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Good morning,
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Chairman Lake and Commissioner McAdams.
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This is Melissa Gage, in-house counsel
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for American Electric Power.
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I think we're actually
expecting that Mister Sloss
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would speak first.
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That's fine, if Mister
Sloss is available.
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William, do we have a
Mister Sloss that's come in?
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We're
still gathering names
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from the (indistinct).
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Thank you.
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Jamie Sloss, please go ahead.
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Hello.
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Good morning, Mister Sloss.
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Good morning.
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So, I'm here on behalf of
myself on docket number 50284.
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I did request oral argument,
and I also this morning
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filed a motion for mistrial,
as well as a motion
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for a rehearing and
objection to the changes
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on item number 88 on
the proposal for a decision
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that was just filed yesterday.
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I don't know if there'll
be a ruling on that today,
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or how that works.
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Sir, today right now is
your time to do oral argument.
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Okay,
so the fist thing
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you do is oral argument, okay.
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So, well then, I guess
to start my four minutes,
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and I don't think I'll
take all four minutes.
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No problem,
we'll start that now.
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Okay, so,
in my docket file 284,
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I submitted my original
complaint, my direct testimony,
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my amended direct testimony,
my rebuttal testimony,
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as well as closing
arguments regarding the case
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in which I outlined the
details of what occurred
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on September 16, however,
none of that was taken
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into context for the
proposal for decision.
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The only thing that they
took into consideration
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was the affidavit of
the service technician
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who did not present
himself for cross-examination
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during the hearing on the
merit, neither did the second
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service technician,
and Mister Scrationer,
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when I would question
him about the events
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that occurred that day,
did not have an answer
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because he was not at the
site and when I asked him
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if he spoke to the service technicians,
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he stated that he did not
speak to the service technicians.
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He spoke to a third, unidentified party
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that spoke to the service technicians.
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So, I really don't
understand how that evidence
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outweighs myself who
was at the residence
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on the day of the incident,
who witnessed everything
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occurring, and who also
has been questioning
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the outlines of the
events that Maurice Perell
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has been saying
throughout the proceedings.
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So, I was completely ignored
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by the Administrative Law Judge.
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Nobody thought to question
the service technicians.
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I presented myself.
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I was there for questioning.
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Nobody asked me
questions about the events
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that occurred that day.
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The only thing that AEP
questioned me on was about seeking
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monetary damages,
which I thought was absurd,
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but that's the only thing
that they questioned me on.
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So, I have no idea how their
evidence outweighs my evidence,
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and I have told my story
repeatedly on this docket
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and I have been ignored.
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I've been ignored by the PUC,
I've been ignored by the ALJ,
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and I've been ignored first by AEP.
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If nobody's held
accountable, if the (indistinct)
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not held accountable, there's
evidence of what happened.
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This electric wire broke in 2016.
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You have one minute, sir.
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I complained
about it in 2017,
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and in 2018, as you can
see by information evidence
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submitted, that feeder
was one of the worst in the,
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one of the worst performing feeders.
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A feeder that broke
a neutral wire in 2016
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that I complained about in
2017, was one of the worst
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performing feeders in 2018.
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When there's nobody held
accountable, that's what happens.
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So, when I questioned AEP,
add to hearing on their merit,
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when did they perform work
on that particular feeder line,
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they did not have an answer.
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They did not know when
they performed it before,
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and they didn't know when they performed
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the maintenance, or
vegetation maintenance,
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on that afterwards.
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So, how are we as customers
supposed to feel safe
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when there's nobody held accountable
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and they don't even have a
record of what's being done
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to their lines?
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And on top of that, I'm
gonna close with this,
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their vegetation management
plan, if you've looked at it,
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makes absolutely no sense.
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There is no way you do a four-year cycle
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like they've got in their
vegetation management plan,
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covering, like Mister
(indistinct) testified,
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about 37,000 miles.
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There's no way they can
do it 'cause they only cover
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about 1,000 miles per year.
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So, there's no way their
vegetation management plan
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makes any sense.
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To have a four-year
cycle covering 1,000 miles,
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when they're responsible
for 37,000 miles.
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So, if they're not held accountable,
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this is gonna continue to happen.
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Thank you, Mister Sloss.
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I rest my case.
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Thank you, sir.
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Next speaker, please.
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Would you
like Daniel or Melissa?
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Melissa's fine.
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On the line.
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Melissa, your line of phone open?
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Yes.
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Good morning Chairman Lake
and Commissioner McAdams.
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Again, my name is Melissa Gage.
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I'm in-house counsel for
American Electric Power
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here today on behalf of AEP Texas.
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We'll just speak
briefly because we trust
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that you've read the lengthy
records that Mister Sloss
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referenced in this case.
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We went through the standard process
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where we filed testimony.
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We had a full day hearing on the merits.
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We have briefed this case at length,
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and the ALJ weighed all
of the evidence of this case
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in a very lengthy PFD
and ultimately did conclude
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that AEP Texas did not violate
per any of the Commission
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rules or our tariff, as
Mister Sloss has alleged.
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AEP Texas, in the course of this event,
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did go out to the premises
five times over the course
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of 12 days, ultimately
determining that any issue
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that could have existed
was on Mister Sloss's
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side of the meter.
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And although Mister Sloss
has continued to allege
00:16:04.520 --> 00:16:07.953
that the failure was on
AEP Texas equipment,
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there's no evidence in the
record that indicates that.
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And so, we would just ask
that you deny the complaint
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consistent with the PFD
proposed by the ALJ.
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Thank you, Melissa.
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Next speaker.
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Daniel Marr, go ahead.
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Good
morning Chairman Lake
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and Commissioner McAdams.
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Daniel Marr on behalf
of Commission staff.
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I'm going to keep my comments brief.
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Staff continues to
advocate for the position
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outlined in the proposal for decision.
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The evidence failed to show
that AEP violated any statutes,
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Commission rule, or tariff obligation.
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And with that, I'm happy
to answer any questions.
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Thank you, Daniel.
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Any other participants
for oral arguments?
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There's a
line of Jamie Sloss.
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Please go ahead.
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Hello,
Commissioner McAdams.
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Do I get to rebut, or will
you be asking questions?
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Like, I forgot to ask that.
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All arguments is just limited
to four minutes per speaker
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to present to the Commission.
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Correct, but I think
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you also have the
ability to ask questions.
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I just don't know if you're
gonna be exercising that right.
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Commissioner
McAdams, any questions?
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Mister Sloss, one question.
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Has your service been restored?
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Or are you still
experiencing the problem
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that you reported to AEP?
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No, from
September 16th forward,
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I have not experienced any issues.
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And that is, again, I went
through by, you know,
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I mean, I said everything I
need to say under record.
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I don't want to go again
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but because I know
they're going to object.
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So, from September 16th forwards, no,
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I have not had any
issues at the residence.
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And one final question.
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What do you want from this Commission?
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I want AEP
to be held accountable
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because, in all honesty,
the reason I've gone this far
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is because I do not feel safe knowing
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everything that I know now,
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especially their vegetation
management plan.
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If you can answer me how it makes sense
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for them to have a four
year plan which they wanted
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to make a three year
plan to cover 37,000 miles
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by maintenancing just 1,000 miles.
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If that makes sense to you,
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then I would like that
to be explained to me
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because you're the governing body
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that regulates this electric utility.
00:19:10.130 --> 00:19:13.433
So, if this makes sense to you
and you can explain it to me,
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then I wanna feel safe, and I
want my children to be safe,
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because when I got electrocuted,
00:19:23.620 --> 00:19:26.873
the electricians I spoke
to, and I know it's true,
00:19:28.010 --> 00:19:32.700
I could have died that day
'cause I was in the shower
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when I got electrocuted.
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They've admitted already
that the (indistinct) was broken.
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They, under, in the evidence,
on September the 16th,
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if you read the hearing on the merits,
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Mister Grayson himself
testified, the last thing
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the technicians do is
they get in their truck,
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they write up the
report and they submit it.
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The last thing that technician
did on September the 16th
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was made a report that stated
the cause was AEP equipment.
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Now, that was the last thing
he did on September the 16th,
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2016, the day he was out there.
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Now, when he's getting
questioned about it,
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or when AEP's getting
questioned about it,
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they come up with a rogue story
00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:30.960
that makes absolutely no
sense except as a cover up.
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But, if you can explain to me
how that vegetation management
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plan makes sense, at this meeting,
00:20:43.340 --> 00:20:44.823
if you can do that right now,
00:20:45.820 --> 00:20:47.080
that's what I really wanna know.
00:20:47.080 --> 00:20:50.520
Is how is that gonna keep
my son safe in the future
00:20:50.520 --> 00:20:52.110
so this doesn't happen again?
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Covering 1,000 miles per
year out of 37,000 miles.
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Please explain to me
how that makes sense
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in a four year cycle.
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I appreciate that, and I
appreciate you telling us
00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:05.650
what you want from us.
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I think we're gonna be working on that.
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There's other dockets that
relate to reliability matters
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in all service territories,
and so all I can tell you now
00:21:15.830 --> 00:21:18.970
is that I think this Commission's
gonna be working on that.
00:21:18.970 --> 00:21:22.410
Working on reliability for your
areas and the rest of Texas.
00:21:22.410 --> 00:21:26.753
So, stay tuned and we're working on it.
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Well,
unfortunately, and I'm not trying
00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:36.360
to be rude, but that, one,
doesn't answer my question.
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And two, you are asking me for evidence
00:21:41.260 --> 00:21:46.260
of this electric utility
violating the tariff,
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the evidence is right in front of you.
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The gentleman, the technician,
submitted the trouble ticket.
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I didn't write that trouble ticket,
00:21:55.410 --> 00:21:58.090
the technician that was
there wrote the trouble ticket.
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And two, the same
feeder that I complained
00:22:02.120 --> 00:22:07.120
about in 2016, excuse me,
2017, went on to become
00:22:08.500 --> 00:22:11.233
one of the worst feeders in 2018.
00:22:12.070 --> 00:22:16.520
A feeder that electrocuted me in 2016
00:22:16.520 --> 00:22:20.463
that to your standards
did not violate any tariff,
00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:25.590
Mister Grayson from AEP
admitted that the 120-volts
00:22:25.590 --> 00:22:30.220
was unsafe, but they
did not violate any tariff.
00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:32.740
Their technician wrote
in his trouble ticket
00:22:32.740 --> 00:22:36.020
the cause was AEP equipment
on September the 16th,
00:22:36.020 --> 00:22:41.020
12 days after the call
initially on September the 4th,
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they did not violate any tariff.
00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:47.203
For 12 days there was
electric shocks in my restroom.
00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:52.040
And you want me to feel safe?
00:22:52.040 --> 00:22:55.320
Mister Sloss, Mister
Sloss, this isn't a venue
00:22:55.320 --> 00:22:59.160
for oral arguments between
the Commission and you.
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.870
I'd ask that you've
been asked a question,
00:23:01.870 --> 00:23:03.000
you've answered it.
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:05.300
I'd ask that you let
us deliberate this now,
00:23:05.300 --> 00:23:08.383
listen to this, listen to
what we're gonna say.
00:23:09.550 --> 00:23:10.540
That's all I have for you.
00:23:10.540 --> 00:23:13.220
Thank you for answering the question.
00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:14.520
Thank you, Mister Sloss.
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Thoughts?
00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:21.350
Look, Mister Sloss
identified a lot of the points
00:23:21.350 --> 00:23:22.280
in the evidence.
00:23:22.280 --> 00:23:24.820
There is a lot of facts in the evidence.
00:23:24.820 --> 00:23:27.223
There's a extremely detailed timeline.
00:23:28.210 --> 00:23:31.313
I hear what he's saying
about it, but what's reported
00:23:31.313 --> 00:23:36.100
to AEP, look, the timeline is replete
00:23:36.100 --> 00:23:37.020
with them coming out there,
00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:39.060
and that's why I wanted
to make sure is it fixed?
00:23:39.060 --> 00:23:41.600
And it sounds like it's fixed.
00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:45.250
So, from what our job
is, to ensure reliability.
00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:48.480
Now again, system-wide
reliability, we have bigger dockets
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.100
which we're gonna take up
later and continue working on,
00:23:51.100 --> 00:23:54.600
we're gonna try to improve
that for Mister Sloss's area.
00:23:54.600 --> 00:23:58.080
But on this one, in my view,
00:23:58.080 --> 00:23:59.640
it looks like they did their job.
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.473
So, that was just, sort
of, my reading of the facts.
00:24:03.370 --> 00:24:05.680
I think that's right,
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:08.120
and it's been a very thorough process.
00:24:08.120 --> 00:24:09.090
Looks like it.
00:24:09.090 --> 00:24:10.880
From start to finish.
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.880
I also agree those
issues can be addressed
00:24:16.251 --> 00:24:19.400
on other items today.
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:21.471
I know you've got something on that.
00:24:21.471 --> 00:24:22.830
I've filed a memo.
00:24:22.830 --> 00:24:26.360
So, I'd be happy to
entertain a motion to adopt
00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:29.783
the proposal for a decision
as modified by Mister Jennae.
00:24:29.783 --> 00:24:31.214
So moved.
00:24:31.214 --> 00:24:32.737
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:24:32.737 --> 00:24:33.618
Aye.
00:24:33.618 --> 00:24:35.542
Aye, motion passes.
00:24:35.542 --> 00:24:38.848
Next item please.
00:24:38.848 --> 00:24:43.582
Item 17 is docket 50545,
the application to AEP Texas
00:24:43.582 --> 00:24:47.832
to amend its CCN for an
electric transmission line.
00:24:48.712 --> 00:24:50.180
The proposal for a decision in this case
00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:53.513
would grant the amendment and recommends
00:24:54.945 --> 00:24:57.445
using the route the H revised.
00:24:58.502 --> 00:25:00.220
Replies and exceptions were filed.
00:25:00.220 --> 00:25:04.637
ALJ corrected an error in
three findings of the fact.
00:25:07.593 --> 00:25:08.593
Thank you.
00:25:09.843 --> 00:25:12.610
I know we've taken this
up before and considered it.
00:25:12.610 --> 00:25:15.645
At the end of the day, I
think the ALJ got it right
00:25:15.645 --> 00:25:17.663
with (indistinct), thoughts?
00:25:17.663 --> 00:25:18.610
Me too.
00:25:18.610 --> 00:25:21.072
The only other thing I'd
say, I know that the oral
00:25:21.072 --> 00:25:25.948
arguments, some of the, you
know, affected land owners
00:25:25.948 --> 00:25:30.666
brought up the road issue,
but really, in terms of process
00:25:30.666 --> 00:25:32.336
even their attorneys conceded
00:25:32.336 --> 00:25:34.214
that that really doesn't come up
00:25:34.214 --> 00:25:35.895
at this stage of the process.
00:25:35.895 --> 00:25:37.553
You know, I don't even
know how they evaluate
00:25:37.553 --> 00:25:39.136
that at this stage.
00:25:40.038 --> 00:25:43.864
They've gotta get out there
and do the engineering analysis.
00:25:43.864 --> 00:25:45.737
So, I agree with you.
00:25:45.737 --> 00:25:48.555
I think they got it right. (indistinct)
00:25:48.555 --> 00:25:52.138
Yeah, fair point on
the station process.
00:25:52.138 --> 00:25:53.570
Very good point.
00:25:53.570 --> 00:25:55.778
Motion to adopt the
proposal for decision.
00:25:55.778 --> 00:25:56.847
So moved.
00:25:56.847 --> 00:25:58.270
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:25:58.270 --> 00:25:59.366
Aye.
00:25:59.366 --> 00:26:00.889
Aye, motion passes.
00:26:00.889 --> 00:26:02.838
Next item please.
00:26:02.838 --> 00:26:05.320
Item 18 is docket 51348,
00:26:05.320 --> 00:26:08.932
application to El Paso
Electric for a DCRF.
00:26:08.932 --> 00:26:10.911
We have before you a proposed
order that would approve
00:26:10.911 --> 00:26:15.276
a DCRF for El Paso based
upon a unanimous agreement.
00:26:15.276 --> 00:26:18.991
ALJ filed corrections
to finding of fact.
00:26:18.991 --> 00:26:21.128
I filed a memo with the
recommended changes
00:26:21.128 --> 00:26:23.045
to the corrected order.
00:26:24.422 --> 00:26:26.755
It seems like a
reasonable settlement.
00:26:26.755 --> 00:26:28.233
I like those.
00:26:28.233 --> 00:26:30.908
(laughs) Motion to
adopt the proposed order
00:26:30.908 --> 00:26:32.483
as corrected by the ALJ,
00:26:32.483 --> 00:26:34.763
and as modified by Mister Jennae's memo.
00:26:34.763 --> 00:26:35.596
So moved.
00:26:35.596 --> 00:26:36.704
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:26:36.704 --> 00:26:37.568
Aye.
00:26:37.568 --> 00:26:39.044
Aye, motion passes.
00:26:39.044 --> 00:26:40.770
Next item please.
00:26:40.770 --> 00:26:43.657
Item 19 is docket
51416, it's the application
00:26:43.657 --> 00:26:47.540
of Entergy for a DCRF.
00:26:47.540 --> 00:26:50.230
You have before you a
proposed order that would approve
00:26:50.230 --> 00:26:51.690
a DCRF for Entergy.
00:26:51.690 --> 00:26:54.610
It's based upon an unopposed agreement.
00:26:54.610 --> 00:26:57.730
The ALJ filed
corrections of two findings,
00:26:57.730 --> 00:27:00.900
and I filed a memo with
recommended changes.
00:27:00.900 --> 00:27:02.690
I think we got to a good
spot on this one, you?
00:27:02.690 --> 00:27:04.090
Me too.
00:27:04.090 --> 00:27:05.970
Is there a motion to
adopt the proposed order
00:27:05.970 --> 00:27:07.070
as corrected by the ALJ,
00:27:07.070 --> 00:27:09.080
and modified by Mister Jennae's memo?
00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:09.913
So moved.
00:27:09.913 --> 00:27:11.130
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:27:11.130 --> 00:27:12.314
Aye.
00:27:12.314 --> 00:27:13.860
Aye, motion passes.
00:27:13.860 --> 00:27:15.300
Next item please.
00:27:15.300 --> 00:27:19.549
Item 20 is docket 51612,
Commission staff's petition
00:27:19.549 --> 00:27:22.660
to set the wholesale
transmission service charges
00:27:22.660 --> 00:27:24.673
in ERCOT for 2021.
00:27:25.686 --> 00:27:27.580
I have before you a proposed
order that would approve
00:27:27.580 --> 00:27:31.240
two matrices for the
wholesale transmission charges.
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.240
One is for the time prior to
Lubbock entering ERCOT,
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.430
the other's for the time
period after Lubbock enters.
00:27:37.430 --> 00:27:41.493
I filed a memo with proposed
changes to the proposed order.
00:27:42.589 --> 00:27:46.196
Two key areas
of this, thoughts?
00:27:46.196 --> 00:27:49.120
Yeah, I agree with the memo.
00:27:49.120 --> 00:27:51.160
All right.
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.330
Motion to adopt the
proposed order as modified
00:27:53.330 --> 00:27:54.400
by Mister Jennae's memo.
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:55.360
So moved.
00:27:55.360 --> 00:27:56.831
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:27:56.831 --> 00:27:58.103
Aye.
00:27:58.103 --> 00:27:59.093
Aye, motion passes.
00:28:00.280 --> 00:28:01.790
Next item on the agenda please.
00:28:01.790 --> 00:28:05.603
21 was consented,
22 is docket 51966.
00:28:06.444 --> 00:28:11.444
It's an NOV related to
Entergy safety performance.
00:28:12.750 --> 00:28:14.710
There's a proposed
order that would assist
00:28:14.710 --> 00:28:17.700
administrative penalty
based upon an agreement
00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.090
between Entergy and Commission staff.
00:28:21.090 --> 00:28:23.506
Commissioner McAdams has filed a memo.
00:28:23.506 --> 00:28:24.993
Thank you.
00:28:24.993 --> 00:28:29.540
I saw the memo, I agree
with it, and I think this is...
00:28:34.350 --> 00:28:36.120
More information.
00:28:36.120 --> 00:28:40.650
Yeah, so ultimately, as
we were, kind of, arguing
00:28:40.650 --> 00:28:42.690
this back and forth in our office.
00:28:42.690 --> 00:28:44.940
Look, the core function
of the Commission
00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:47.900
is to enhance and improve reliability.
00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:52.030
And, you know, especially
in this one, to me,
00:28:52.030 --> 00:28:55.260
it was more clear cut because
you saw this discernible
00:28:55.260 --> 00:28:58.392
trend on system
reliability start to decline
00:28:58.392 --> 00:29:01.362
over a period of time and ultimately,
00:29:01.362 --> 00:29:03.933
if we're just talking
about fining people,
00:29:05.469 --> 00:29:06.890
there is a situation where the policy,
00:29:06.890 --> 00:29:09.130
the policies here
might come into conflict
00:29:09.130 --> 00:29:10.590
because again, we don't...
00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:15.710
If a fine doesn't equal, you know,
how much the enhancements
00:29:15.710 --> 00:29:18.490
to the system are
going to take to fix it,
00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:21.500
we have to incentivize
them or drive folks to the table
00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:23.330
to where they want to fix it.
00:29:23.330 --> 00:29:26.280
So, ultimately, we
need more detailed plans
00:29:26.280 --> 00:29:29.210
of remediation from utilities,
especially when we start
00:29:29.210 --> 00:29:32.483
seeing system-wide reliability issues.
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:35.930
So, until we start seeing that,
00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:37.590
I think we just have
to start sending people
00:29:37.590 --> 00:29:42.590
back to the drawing board
until we get a good answer.
00:29:42.760 --> 00:29:43.882
Agreed.
00:29:43.882 --> 00:29:44.958
I think you have an
important point about the,
00:29:44.958 --> 00:29:49.120
as reliability went down
over the last few years,
00:29:49.120 --> 00:29:52.000
penalties stayed flat,
or even decreased,
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:52.833
which is not the--
00:29:52.833 --> 00:29:54.510
It doesn't seem
to be the answer.
00:29:54.510 --> 00:29:58.430
(laughs) Not the
direction I think we generally
00:29:58.430 --> 00:29:59.520
want to be going.
00:29:59.520 --> 00:30:04.520
Certainly not, it does not
provide any meaningful incentive.
00:30:06.220 --> 00:30:09.540
Thinking about, to expand on
your point on more information
00:30:09.540 --> 00:30:12.130
and visibility, the cause
of violations, the frequency,
00:30:12.130 --> 00:30:15.523
the types of violation,
plans to resolve them,
00:30:17.030 --> 00:30:20.313
with a lot more specificity
than we're getting here,
00:30:21.300 --> 00:30:26.300
are important, and
timelines I think are important.
00:30:27.260 --> 00:30:30.890
Timelines, and on the
specificity of the timelines,
00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:33.760
actual deliverable points
that we can come back
00:30:33.760 --> 00:30:35.767
and check on, you know, in the future.
00:30:35.767 --> 00:30:39.800
Because this is gonna
be coming up and I'll say it,
00:30:39.800 --> 00:30:41.380
it's gonna be coming up in rate cases
00:30:41.380 --> 00:30:44.340
when we're talking about
recovery for enhancements
00:30:44.340 --> 00:30:46.810
to the grid, we're gonna
wanna see how that's actually
00:30:46.810 --> 00:30:49.730
improving the quality
of life, or the reliability
00:30:49.730 --> 00:30:51.080
on the system for Texans.
00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:54.730
So, these things are
not mutually exclusive.
00:30:54.730 --> 00:30:56.960
The policies work in tandem.
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.470
And we need to see
those deliverables on paper.
00:31:00.470 --> 00:31:01.660
Agreed.
00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:06.210
I do wanna highlight the
fact that as technology
00:31:06.210 --> 00:31:08.640
and (indistinct) has improved
over the last few years,
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.182
or last decade, I can
appreciate the point
00:31:11.182 --> 00:31:16.182
that visibility of outages
may not necessarily
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:21.020
an increase, it may be
a increase in visibility
00:31:21.020 --> 00:31:23.896
of the outages, and certainly happy
00:31:23.896 --> 00:31:26.253
to take that into consideration.
00:31:27.150 --> 00:31:29.250
But we can't do that
without more information.
00:31:29.250 --> 00:31:30.470
Agreed.
00:31:30.470 --> 00:31:34.319
So, more to be considered of
that evolution and technology
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.622
but it still gets back to the same place
00:31:36.622 --> 00:31:40.980
of needing more
information, more visibility.
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:44.120
Well, at the end of the
day, for us as a regulator,
00:31:44.120 --> 00:31:46.060
with our partners in the utilities,
00:31:46.060 --> 00:31:47.990
we just wanna see concrete plans.
00:31:47.990 --> 00:31:50.730
'Cause we're always
told that we're constantly
00:31:50.730 --> 00:31:53.140
striving to improve and
enhance our system.
00:31:53.140 --> 00:31:54.820
Well, this is where the
robber meets the road,
00:31:54.820 --> 00:31:59.010
when these safety
issues start flaring up,
00:31:59.010 --> 00:32:01.660
you start to question, okay,
what are we doing here?
00:32:01.660 --> 00:32:04.163
And ultimately, what are these rates,
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.380
not looking at you specifically, Daryl,
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:08.861
but what are we doing here?
00:32:08.861 --> 00:32:11.243
(all laughing)
00:32:11.243 --> 00:32:13.853
So, yeah, I look forward
to a more detailed plan.
00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:17.900
That will drive us
to solving the problem
00:32:17.900 --> 00:32:20.320
and improving the
outcomes for our customers.
00:32:20.320 --> 00:32:21.770
You bet ya.
00:32:21.770 --> 00:32:24.590
Is there a motion
to remand the docket
00:32:24.590 --> 00:32:26.610
to docket management
in order for the parties
00:32:26.610 --> 00:32:28.242
to provide the requested information
00:32:28.242 --> 00:32:29.850
to the settlement agreement?
00:32:29.850 --> 00:32:30.800
I couldn't have said it better.
00:32:30.800 --> 00:32:31.970
So moved.
00:32:31.970 --> 00:32:32.970
Second.
00:32:32.970 --> 00:32:33.956
All in favor say aye.
00:32:33.956 --> 00:32:34.987
Aye.
00:32:34.987 --> 00:32:36.613
Aye, motion passes.
00:32:36.613 --> 00:32:39.100
Next item please.
00:32:39.100 --> 00:32:42.350
Item 23 is docket
52034, it's an NOV,
00:32:43.226 --> 00:32:47.643
an agreed NOV between AEP
Texas and Commission staff.
00:32:49.050 --> 00:32:51.910
Again, for safety matters.
00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:53.341
You have before you a proposed order
00:32:53.341 --> 00:32:56.638
that would assist the
administrative penalty
00:32:56.638 --> 00:32:59.127
against AEP Texas
based upon an agreement.
00:32:59.127 --> 00:33:03.164
Commissioner McAdams
has filed a memo on this case.
00:33:03.164 --> 00:33:04.632
Thank you.
00:33:04.632 --> 00:33:06.767
Read your memo, again I agree with it.
00:33:06.767 --> 00:33:09.854
I think there's the same issues here.
00:33:09.854 --> 00:33:11.505
I think there's an
important nuance,
00:33:11.505 --> 00:33:15.730
and I do wanna give
kudos to the AEP team.
00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:17.991
They did an excellent
job of detailing the causes
00:33:17.991 --> 00:33:21.158
of, and the timelines for remediation.
00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:25.523
In this case, on the
distribution feeder violations,
00:33:25.523 --> 00:33:29.118
however, that level
of detail was missing
00:33:29.118 --> 00:33:31.588
from the discussion at
the system-wide violations.
00:33:31.588 --> 00:33:36.588
So, taken as a whole, I
mean, the previous cases point,
00:33:36.669 --> 00:33:39.093
we need to do our job
on a system-wide basis,
00:33:39.093 --> 00:33:41.803
trying to incent these
utilities to go back
00:33:41.803 --> 00:33:44.295
and to get as much
done in a timely manner
00:33:44.295 --> 00:33:47.422
as they can in an affordable way.
00:33:47.422 --> 00:33:50.517
And so, as with the
Entergy of previous docket,
00:33:50.517 --> 00:33:52.402
I would ask AEP and staff to come back
00:33:52.402 --> 00:33:55.938
with a settlement agreement
with sufficient specifics
00:33:55.938 --> 00:33:59.388
on how and when AEP can make headway
00:33:59.388 --> 00:34:02.703
on a system-wide basis to remediate.
00:34:02.703 --> 00:34:04.292
I agree, they
got part of it right,
00:34:04.292 --> 00:34:07.338
but we still need to see the
cause of violation frequency.
00:34:07.338 --> 00:34:08.171
Yep.
00:34:08.171 --> 00:34:09.004
Solutions.
00:34:09.004 --> 00:34:09.837
On that scale.
00:34:09.837 --> 00:34:12.920
System-wide, even
more importantly.
00:34:13.755 --> 00:34:15.056
So, is there a motion
to remand the docket
00:34:15.056 --> 00:34:17.319
to docket management in
order to provide the parties,
00:34:17.319 --> 00:34:19.988
for the parties to provide
the requested information
00:34:19.988 --> 00:34:21.202
to the settlement agreement?
00:34:21.202 --> 00:34:22.394
Steven, do you
wanna say something?
00:34:22.394 --> 00:34:23.748
Well, I was just
gonna ask you, sir,
00:34:23.748 --> 00:34:26.564
whether or not based
upon the previous discussion
00:34:26.564 --> 00:34:28.765
you just had with Mister
Sloss, whether you wanna add
00:34:28.765 --> 00:34:31.106
anything about vegetation management
00:34:31.106 --> 00:34:33.289
in this remand document?
00:34:33.289 --> 00:34:34.810
As a specific question?
00:34:34.810 --> 00:34:35.643
Yes sir.
00:34:37.198 --> 00:34:38.348
I think it's very appropriate.
00:34:38.348 --> 00:34:41.332
So, I would ask the
question for staff and AEP
00:34:41.332 --> 00:34:44.541
what plans they have
on enhancing vegetation,
00:34:44.541 --> 00:34:47.124
would we call that remediation?
00:34:49.651 --> 00:34:51.344
Vegetation control?
00:34:51.344 --> 00:34:52.755
Vegetation management,
I think they'll know
00:34:52.755 --> 00:34:53.879
what you're talking about.
00:34:53.879 --> 00:34:56.379
Great, we'd love to do that.
00:34:57.540 --> 00:34:59.862
Is there a motion?
00:34:59.862 --> 00:35:01.468
As modified-
As modified.
00:35:01.468 --> 00:35:02.740
So moved.
00:35:02.740 --> 00:35:04.896
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:35:04.896 --> 00:35:05.729
Aye.
00:35:05.729 --> 00:35:07.598
Aye, motion passes.
00:35:07.598 --> 00:35:09.015
Next item please.
00:35:10.340 --> 00:35:15.340
24 was consented, and
then we've got the items
00:35:15.720 --> 00:35:17.563
25 through 28, I'm not
aware we have anything.
00:35:17.563 --> 00:35:21.170
I don't have any
on those, do you?
00:35:21.170 --> 00:35:22.003
Yes, sir.
00:35:22.003 --> 00:35:24.331
So, just for discussion purposes.
00:35:24.331 --> 00:35:25.357
Sure.
00:35:25.357 --> 00:35:27.370
This is our
opportunity to talk.
00:35:27.370 --> 00:35:30.520
And we are well within striking distance
00:35:30.520 --> 00:35:33.501
of the end of session
and a number of key things
00:35:33.501 --> 00:35:35.120
coming up there.
00:35:35.120 --> 00:35:37.620
So, on 27, sir, if we
could take that up.
00:35:37.620 --> 00:35:39.253
Project number 41210.
00:35:40.160 --> 00:35:41.050
Absolutely.
00:35:41.050 --> 00:35:41.883
Okay.
00:35:43.477 --> 00:35:46.223
I'm sorry, correction on that.
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.430
I had my numbers out of whack.
00:35:49.430 --> 00:35:50.620
Connie?
00:35:50.620 --> 00:35:51.453
28 I believe.
00:35:51.453 --> 00:35:52.286
So, it is gonna be 28.
00:35:52.286 --> 00:35:54.030
All right, so, nothing on 27.
00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:55.460
On the next one, 28.
00:35:55.460 --> 00:35:57.520
Why don't we just do
28 and 29 together, sir?
00:35:57.520 --> 00:35:58.740
We'll get it all.
00:35:58.740 --> 00:35:59.830
I believe that's right.
00:35:59.830 --> 00:36:02.330
Okay, so the numbers
did change, and that's right.
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:04.910
Okay, 28 and 29.
00:36:04.910 --> 00:36:07.393
Or you can take both of
those out and do them together.
00:36:07.393 --> 00:36:08.816
Okay great.
00:36:08.816 --> 00:36:13.003
From a communications perspective.
00:36:13.950 --> 00:36:16.620
I was wondering, in the near future,
00:36:16.620 --> 00:36:19.210
and I'll ask specifically, if
you think it might be a good
00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:24.210
idea for our comms folk
at both ERCOT and PUC
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:27.410
to brief us at the June
11 opening meeting
00:36:27.410 --> 00:36:30.653
on what their strategies
and plans are for the summer.
00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:33.600
Seems consistent with
what, I know everybody's
00:36:33.600 --> 00:36:36.400
been hashing out their
protocols and procedures,
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:37.910
might be a good time to get that.
00:36:37.910 --> 00:36:38.743
Absolutely.
00:36:38.743 --> 00:36:42.280
And if it's okay with
you, I would also leave
00:36:43.630 --> 00:36:46.650
a possibility to have that
briefing at a open work session
00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:50.190
if we choose to do that before June 11.
00:36:50.190 --> 00:36:51.023
Second part of that.
00:36:51.023 --> 00:36:55.540
So, on that topic, I
know that it looks like
00:36:55.540 --> 00:36:56.970
we're getting a lot of homework.
00:36:56.970 --> 00:36:59.806
It looks like the
legislature is heading down
00:36:59.806 --> 00:37:03.750
some really new ground.
00:37:03.750 --> 00:37:06.270
It's not well plowed in
terms of the direction
00:37:06.270 --> 00:37:08.180
for the Commission,
so I think it's fair to say
00:37:08.180 --> 00:37:10.680
we are gonna have a lot of
homework coming our way.
00:37:10.680 --> 00:37:13.550
And I would ask what
you think about scheduling
00:37:13.550 --> 00:37:17.790
an open meeting each
week in the month of June?
00:37:17.790 --> 00:37:19.470
With the idea so that we could get ahead
00:37:19.470 --> 00:37:23.138
of rule making, our scheduling,
or just even to open up,
00:37:23.138 --> 00:37:28.138
sort of, not very formal
workshops for our purposes.
00:37:29.930 --> 00:37:32.440
That would enable us to
communicate on key issues
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.450
as we try to work through
the organizational parameters
00:37:35.450 --> 00:37:38.210
of order of work for
the summer and fall.
00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:39.555
What do you think about that?
00:37:39.555 --> 00:37:40.388
I think that's a
tremendous idea.
00:37:40.388 --> 00:37:41.221
Okay.
00:37:41.221 --> 00:37:43.880
And I think it would
be important to also say
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.240
that we don't have to decide
the calendaring right now,
00:37:47.240 --> 00:37:50.426
but we don't know exactly what homework,
00:37:50.426 --> 00:37:52.470
as you said, we're gonna get.
00:37:52.470 --> 00:37:53.810
Right.
00:37:53.810 --> 00:37:57.910
So, I think it would be
important to have a standing time
00:37:57.910 --> 00:38:02.210
and our agenda or discussion
points for that may flex
00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:06.000
up and down, but it
being consistent in timing
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.850
to make sure that we know
that we'll have a chance
00:38:10.850 --> 00:38:14.740
to discuss all of the
tasks and legislation
00:38:14.740 --> 00:38:18.220
and the many other issues
we're facing since the storm.
00:38:18.220 --> 00:38:19.667
So, I talked
about it with staff,
00:38:19.667 --> 00:38:23.733
just because I didn't wanna
bowl them up on this whole idea.
00:38:25.270 --> 00:38:28.040
So, on the vain, try this on for size,
00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:30.230
I would ask that normal
business of the Commission,
00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:33.120
again, all these things
that we have on our docket,
00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:37.557
that OPDM has previously
promulgated within their schedule.
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.223
Which again, includes
the June 11th meeting
00:38:41.223 --> 00:38:45.930
and so on and so forth, should
continue on that schedule,
00:38:45.930 --> 00:38:49.130
but these interim open
meetings for, sort of,
00:38:49.130 --> 00:38:53.870
the workshop model, should
be reserved for our standard
00:38:53.870 --> 00:38:57.002
posting language which
is that front 10 items.
00:38:57.002 --> 00:38:58.470
Yep, top 10.
00:38:58.470 --> 00:39:03.470
And the legislative component
of that, conforming rules.
00:39:04.550 --> 00:39:06.410
These two items that
we're talking under right now,
00:39:06.410 --> 00:39:08.510
would be probably come under that.
00:39:08.510 --> 00:39:10.010
Exactly, yep.
00:39:10.010 --> 00:39:11.230
So, do you agree?
00:39:11.230 --> 00:39:12.520
Yeah, agreed.
00:39:12.520 --> 00:39:15.660
I think it would also be
important for both staff
00:39:15.660 --> 00:39:19.590
and the general public,
to know that I think
00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:22.015
the workshop, these weekly
workshops, would be a place
00:39:22.015 --> 00:39:25.660
not to take formal action.
00:39:25.660 --> 00:39:26.680
That's right.
00:39:26.680 --> 00:39:31.080
Agreed up on front, and
posted so everybody involved
00:39:31.080 --> 00:39:33.800
knows that it is very much
a place for discussion.
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.540
Brain storming
sessions on our part,
00:39:35.540 --> 00:39:37.260
with the public and stakeholders.
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:39.550
But all parties agreed
up front that no action
00:39:39.550 --> 00:39:41.250
will be taken during
these, that'll be reserved
00:39:41.250 --> 00:39:43.240
for the normal course of business.
00:39:43.240 --> 00:39:44.073
Does that work for you?
00:39:44.073 --> 00:39:45.476
Yes, sir.
00:39:45.476 --> 00:39:49.203
On the formal action point.
00:39:51.928 --> 00:39:55.273
So, for the purposes of a
possible June 3rd meeting,
00:39:56.650 --> 00:40:00.568
there are certain things
that may be coming up
00:40:00.568 --> 00:40:04.623
for formal action maybe a good idea.
00:40:05.720 --> 00:40:08.670
Just for the purposes of
that, because of the timeline
00:40:08.670 --> 00:40:10.130
of the summer.
00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:11.220
Okay.
00:40:11.220 --> 00:40:12.060
So, you're saying--
00:40:12.060 --> 00:40:14.854
For June 3rd, I would
ask for dispensation
00:40:14.854 --> 00:40:16.580
from our doctrine rule.
00:40:16.580 --> 00:40:18.980
An exception just for
June 3rd for that workshop
00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:22.670
to leave the potential
for formal action,
00:40:22.670 --> 00:40:25.530
but with going back to a workshops
00:40:25.530 --> 00:40:26.880
of no formal action after that?
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:28.150
Yes sir.
00:40:28.150 --> 00:40:29.010
Due to consideration
00:40:29.010 --> 00:40:31.120
for the fast approaching summer season.
00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:31.953
Yes sir.
00:40:31.953 --> 00:40:33.062
Fair enough.
00:40:33.062 --> 00:40:33.895
Okay.
00:40:33.895 --> 00:40:35.480
Two of your meetings
in June are full-blown
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.223
open meetings anyway, so
the June 11th and June 24th.
00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:45.130
The point I was gonna
ask is early on I heard
00:40:45.130 --> 00:40:48.020
a disconnect between
y'all talking about the report
00:40:48.020 --> 00:40:49.767
from ERCOT and you
had mentioned June 3rd
00:40:49.767 --> 00:40:52.060
and you had mentioned June 11th.
00:40:52.060 --> 00:40:53.313
Do we wanna be clear?
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:55.113
Yeah.
00:40:56.028 --> 00:40:58.540
I think we started off
considering June 11th
00:40:58.540 --> 00:41:03.270
and then, but it's ended up
agreeing that it would be better
00:41:03.270 --> 00:41:06.290
to have an open meeting
option before June 11th.
00:41:06.290 --> 00:41:07.123
Yes sir.
00:41:07.123 --> 00:41:08.960
So, for the purpose
of the comms briefing,
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.372
is that where you
perceive the disconnect?
00:41:11.372 --> 00:41:12.865
Well, and to let everyone
else out there know
00:41:12.865 --> 00:41:15.653
when they're supposed to be here.
00:41:15.653 --> 00:41:16.986
Yeah, so okay.
00:41:19.290 --> 00:41:22.320
So, there will be a component
of ERCOT that I believe
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:26.430
they wanna get in as
soon as possible to brief us.
00:41:26.430 --> 00:41:30.520
And I believe June 3rd
for that purpose is reserved,
00:41:30.520 --> 00:41:32.030
would be an appropriate time.
00:41:32.030 --> 00:41:34.000
It's just my understanding.
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.833
That's fine, I'm
just making sure
00:41:34.833 --> 00:41:36.198
we're all on the same page.
00:41:36.198 --> 00:41:37.860
For the purposes of the
communication briefing,
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:39.890
June 11th since that's,
kind of, when everybody
00:41:39.890 --> 00:41:40.870
had been teed up.
00:41:40.870 --> 00:41:43.970
Or do you think that needs to
advance, Connie, to June 3rd?
00:41:43.970 --> 00:41:48.300
We can get a brief preview
of summer comms on June 3rd
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:50.862
and then have a full blown
presentation on the 11th.
00:41:50.862 --> 00:41:51.695
Okay.
00:41:51.695 --> 00:41:52.528
Works for me.
00:41:52.528 --> 00:41:53.361
Works for me.
00:41:53.361 --> 00:41:54.194
Cool.
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.380
All right, we'll
make it, good idea.
00:42:00.380 --> 00:42:01.858
Man, it's great to talk.
00:42:01.858 --> 00:42:04.023
(all laughing)
00:42:04.023 --> 00:42:06.161
Makes things go
so much smoother.
00:42:06.161 --> 00:42:09.333
Anything else on item 28-29?
00:42:10.180 --> 00:42:12.453
No sir, I'm good.
00:42:13.490 --> 00:42:14.323
All right.
00:42:14.323 --> 00:42:16.463
Next item please, Mister Jennae.
00:42:16.463 --> 00:42:20.240
Item 30 is docket
48860, it's the application
00:42:20.240 --> 00:42:23.933
of the city of Canton to
amend their water CCN.
00:42:25.450 --> 00:42:27.680
You have before you a
corrected proposed order
00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:29.730
that would amend the CCN
00:42:31.020 --> 00:42:33.910
to increase its
certificated service area.
00:42:33.910 --> 00:42:36.200
I filed a memo with recommended changes
00:42:36.200 --> 00:42:38.023
to the corrected proposed order.
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.632
The revisions
make a lot of sense
00:42:41.632 --> 00:42:43.330
and the staff did a good job with that.
00:42:43.330 --> 00:42:44.267
Thoughts?
00:42:44.267 --> 00:42:46.940
This was a good
application, in my view.
00:42:46.940 --> 00:42:49.863
I mean, detailed service
territories, delineated.
00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:54.050
I'm sort of new to the water
world in terms of that degree
00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:56.790
of specificity, so yeah, I liked it,
00:42:56.790 --> 00:42:58.990
including the staff analysis.
00:42:58.990 --> 00:43:00.755
So, would you accept a motion?
00:43:00.755 --> 00:43:02.180
Yes sir.
00:43:02.180 --> 00:43:05.190
Move to adopt the
revised preliminary order
00:43:05.190 --> 00:43:07.091
with changes in corrective memo.
00:43:07.091 --> 00:43:09.347
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:43:09.347 --> 00:43:10.213
Aye.
00:43:10.213 --> 00:43:12.280
Aye, motion passes.
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:13.263
Next item please.
00:43:13.263 --> 00:43:17.419
Item 31 is docket
50819, it's the application
00:43:17.419 --> 00:43:22.419
of Sheryl Richardson and
others to approve the purchase
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.240
of a water system by
Sheryl and Roger Richardson
00:43:30.240 --> 00:43:34.580
to transfer certificate 11704 to them,
00:43:34.580 --> 00:43:38.130
and to amend that
CCN to increase the size
00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:40.723
of their certificated service area.
00:43:41.570 --> 00:43:43.700
I filed a memo with proposed corrections
00:43:43.700 --> 00:43:45.663
to the proposed order.
00:43:46.905 --> 00:43:48.470
Thank you, Mister
Jennae, thoughts?
00:43:48.470 --> 00:43:52.546
Yeah, this seems like
a consistent transition
00:43:52.546 --> 00:43:54.740
for that systems.
00:43:54.740 --> 00:43:57.310
Sheryl had already been
running the thing anyway,
00:43:57.310 --> 00:44:00.160
as I understand it in
a staff brief and filing.
00:44:00.160 --> 00:44:03.095
So, I'm okay.
00:44:03.095 --> 00:44:05.320
I think importantly
Mister and Mrs Richardson
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:10.270
have shown they've got
the financial, managerial
00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:14.270
and technical abilities
to, and expertise,
00:44:14.270 --> 00:44:16.290
to continue to provide adequate service,
00:44:16.290 --> 00:44:18.280
which is always a big--
Hallelujah, yeah.
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.917
Big item to ensure water CCN.
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.450
Agreed.
00:44:25.450 --> 00:44:27.883
Is there a motion to adopt
the proposed order as modified?
00:44:27.883 --> 00:44:29.820
So moved.
00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:30.730
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:44:30.730 --> 00:44:31.743
Aye.
00:44:31.743 --> 00:44:33.900
Aye, motion passes.
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:35.393
Next item please.
00:44:35.393 --> 00:44:39.960
Item 32 is docket 50878.
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:41.870
It is the complaint around the Collins
00:44:41.870 --> 00:44:43.530
against Monarch Utilities.
00:44:43.530 --> 00:44:46.163
You have before you
a proposal for decision.
00:44:47.100 --> 00:44:49.840
ALJ recommends the complaint be denied.
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:51.480
No parties filed exceptions.
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.743
I filed a memo with
proposed corrections.
00:44:55.910 --> 00:44:57.310
Thoughts?
00:44:57.310 --> 00:45:00.243
No, like to be a
thing to dismiss.
00:45:01.180 --> 00:45:02.013
Agreed.
00:45:02.013 --> 00:45:03.830
There's some nuances but
I think considering all that,
00:45:03.830 --> 00:45:05.940
they've acted properly.
00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:08.330
Is there a motion to adopt
the PFD as modified?
00:45:08.330 --> 00:45:09.210
So moved.
00:45:09.210 --> 00:45:10.320
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:11.153
Aye.
00:45:11.153 --> 00:45:12.870
Aye, motion passes.
00:45:12.870 --> 00:45:14.070
Next item please.
00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:18.896
33 was consented,
34 is docket 51352.
00:45:18.896 --> 00:45:21.597
This is a petition of Carnegie
Development, an LLC,
00:45:23.290 --> 00:45:25.670
to remove its property
00:45:25.670 --> 00:45:28.880
using a streamline expedite or release.
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.160
You have before you a
proposed order that would grant
00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:35.610
the release of their
property from the certificated
00:45:35.610 --> 00:45:37.780
service area of James Dyke.
00:45:37.780 --> 00:45:40.410
I filed a memo with the
recommended changes
00:45:40.410 --> 00:45:41.510
to the proposed order.
00:45:42.720 --> 00:45:44.430
This is not quite
as straightforward
00:45:44.430 --> 00:45:48.073
as many of these expedited releases.
00:45:49.170 --> 00:45:52.830
But at the end of the
day, I think the burden
00:45:52.830 --> 00:45:55.333
is on the petitioner and
they've done their job.
00:45:55.333 --> 00:45:57.280
Thoughts?
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:02.010
No, and just for our purposes
as we try to paint a picture
00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:06.570
for potential plaintiffs or petitioners
00:46:06.570 --> 00:46:08.040
about how we handle these things.
00:46:08.040 --> 00:46:10.300
I think it's very important
to have that bright line
00:46:10.300 --> 00:46:13.815
on commitment, you know,
the previous precedent
00:46:13.815 --> 00:46:17.090
saw these committed
to providing service.
00:46:17.090 --> 00:46:18.163
What does that mean?
00:46:19.620 --> 00:46:22.387
You know, to me, just the
act of moving paperwork
00:46:22.387 --> 00:46:25.770
does not cross that threshold for me.
00:46:25.770 --> 00:46:29.931
So, again, we wanna be in
the business of getting service
00:46:29.931 --> 00:46:34.630
provided to people when
they ask for it, you know,
00:46:34.630 --> 00:46:36.770
upon the agreement of the utilities.
00:46:36.770 --> 00:46:39.460
And just when they
get, I don't want people
00:46:39.460 --> 00:46:41.960
getting into a situation
where they're locked up
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.990
in a captive market and
not able to access service.
00:46:44.990 --> 00:46:48.544
So, when that happens, and
they wanna change out of it,
00:46:48.544 --> 00:46:51.610
you know, I'm gonna
strongly consider that.
00:46:51.610 --> 00:46:55.250
When no tangible
commitments have been made
00:46:55.250 --> 00:46:56.600
on the part of the utility.
00:46:57.660 --> 00:46:58.761
Agreed.
00:46:58.761 --> 00:47:02.920
Reliable service is-- <v
->In a timely manner.
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.195
Timely manner,
to people that need
00:47:05.195 --> 00:47:08.049
and deserve it is the
threshold in my mind.
00:47:08.049 --> 00:47:09.003
Same.
00:47:09.916 --> 00:47:12.440
Is there a motion to adopt
the proposed order as modified?
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:13.273
So moved.
00:47:13.273 --> 00:47:14.640
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:47:14.640 --> 00:47:15.473
Aye.
00:47:15.473 --> 00:47:17.610
Aye, motion passes.
00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:18.803
Next item please.
00:47:18.803 --> 00:47:22.470
Item 35 is docket
51481, is the application
00:47:22.470 --> 00:47:26.170
to CSWR Texas Utilities
Operating Company
00:47:26.170 --> 00:47:28.270
for temporary rates.
00:47:28.270 --> 00:47:30.430
Before you is an amended proposed order
00:47:30.430 --> 00:47:33.754
that would find the rates
charged by CSWR Texas
00:47:33.754 --> 00:47:35.810
to the customers of the Casselco
00:47:35.810 --> 00:47:38.130
water system are reasonable.
00:47:38.130 --> 00:47:40.300
Just to remind you, the
Commission previously appointed
00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:44.030
CSWR as the temporary
manager to run this system.
00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:46.160
Commissioner McAdams has filed a memo,
00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:48.450
and I filed a memo with
recommended changes
00:47:48.450 --> 00:47:51.323
that is consistent with
the Commissioner's memo.
00:47:53.240 --> 00:47:54.310
Saw the memo, Will.
00:47:54.310 --> 00:47:55.807
I agree with it.
00:47:55.807 --> 00:47:56.807
Okay good.
00:48:00.370 --> 00:48:03.880
It's nuanced that
there's no rate shock.
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:08.197
And in a lot of these systems,
the temporary managers
00:48:08.197 --> 00:48:12.740
are facing an uphill
battle to begin with, and so.
00:48:12.740 --> 00:48:14.820
Yeah, and I know
you've got experience
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:16.070
because you've seen the kind of books
00:48:16.070 --> 00:48:17.200
on a lot of these systems.
00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:19.160
And so, I just wanna make sure, look,
00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:21.479
if we're going through this
process, we need to bake in
00:48:21.479 --> 00:48:23.220
what the true needs are, you know?
00:48:23.220 --> 00:48:25.950
And if they've got, if we've got $41,000
00:48:25.950 --> 00:48:30.870
of known maintenance
and repair needs out there,
00:48:30.870 --> 00:48:33.240
then we need to bake that into the rate
00:48:33.240 --> 00:48:35.080
so that they can fix this stuff.
00:48:35.080 --> 00:48:38.650
Again, reliability, service,
all these core components
00:48:38.650 --> 00:48:39.800
that we keep preaching.
00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:41.473
Absolutely.
00:48:41.473 --> 00:48:44.130
And two things.
00:48:44.130 --> 00:48:46.580
When you have good
managers acting in good faith,
00:48:46.580 --> 00:48:48.330
you need to support them.
00:48:48.330 --> 00:48:53.244
And we've got a backend
reconciliation mechanism
00:48:53.244 --> 00:48:57.680
to ensure that if the
front-end rates were,
00:48:57.680 --> 00:49:00.220
through excess capital,
available, that can be--
00:49:00.220 --> 00:49:01.343
Accounted for.
00:49:01.343 --> 00:49:03.163
Adjusted and accounted
for in the backend
00:49:03.163 --> 00:49:07.700
which will protect the
consumers financial interests
00:49:07.700 --> 00:49:10.427
over time as well,
which I think is important.
00:49:11.520 --> 00:49:13.920
Is there a motion to
modify the proposed order
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.230
to approve the temporary
rates and miscellaneous
00:49:16.230 --> 00:49:19.910
charges and fees proposed
by the temporary manager
00:49:19.910 --> 00:49:22.000
as modified in Mister Jennae's memo?
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.230
So moved.
00:49:23.230 --> 00:49:24.063
Did you get everything?
00:49:24.063 --> 00:49:25.398
Yes sir.
00:49:25.398 --> 00:49:26.231
Okay.
00:49:26.231 --> 00:49:27.820
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:49:27.820 --> 00:49:28.653
Aye.
00:49:28.653 --> 00:49:30.461
Aye, motion passes.
00:49:30.461 --> 00:49:32.040
Next item please.
00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:34.053
Item 36 was consented.
00:49:36.410 --> 00:49:41.410
Item 37 is project 50322,
it's a proposal for publication
00:49:41.984 --> 00:49:46.984
of the rules of alternative
rate making mechanisms.
00:49:50.988 --> 00:49:54.140
A lot of work goes into
these and this is a big step.
00:49:58.670 --> 00:50:00.740
Water rates are not
simple or straightforward
00:50:00.740 --> 00:50:03.210
so I appreciate how
much work and thought
00:50:03.210 --> 00:50:04.623
the staff has put into this.
00:50:07.470 --> 00:50:10.010
Protects customers while still allowing
00:50:10.010 --> 00:50:15.010
for the regionalization
that state needs,
00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:18.510
and through policy from the legislature,
00:50:18.510 --> 00:50:22.020
has indicated it desires.
00:50:22.020 --> 00:50:23.000
Thoughts?
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:23.880
I think that's right.
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.446
And just from, you know,
working with you and your staff,
00:50:28.446 --> 00:50:32.980
man, I'm gonna draw a bright line.
00:50:32.980 --> 00:50:35.340
Water world is not the
same as electric world
00:50:35.340 --> 00:50:36.480
on this rate stuff.
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.960
And so, I'm gonna remind
myself that all the time.
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.300
I really look forward to the
comments that stakeholders
00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:43.128
are gonna file, and try
to wrap my mind around
00:50:43.128 --> 00:50:46.064
just the, all the degrees of scale
00:50:46.064 --> 00:50:48.360
that these folks operate in.
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.460
So, no, with that,
just for stakeholders,
00:50:51.460 --> 00:50:54.310
I'm reminding myself water
and electric are not the same.
00:50:55.230 --> 00:50:57.800
So, I look forward to
the nuanced responses
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.970
on a big rule proposal.
00:51:00.970 --> 00:51:02.360
I appreciate it.
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:03.193
Absolutely.
00:51:03.193 --> 00:51:05.660
Is there a motion to adopt
the proposal for publication?
00:51:05.660 --> 00:51:06.510
So moved.
00:51:06.510 --> 00:51:07.920
Second, all in favor say aye.
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:08.753
Aye.
00:51:08.753 --> 00:51:10.740
Aye, motion passes.
00:51:10.740 --> 00:51:11.923
Next item please.
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:15.460
I don't believe we
have anything on item 38.
00:51:18.211 --> 00:51:19.261
39 was consented.
00:51:19.261 --> 00:51:20.390
39 was consented.
00:51:20.390 --> 00:51:21.223
Did you have anything on 38?
00:51:21.223 --> 00:51:22.410
No sir, no.
00:51:22.410 --> 00:51:26.023
Item 40 is project 51715,
the rule making calendar.
00:51:27.200 --> 00:51:28.963
Anything on that from staff?
00:51:29.860 --> 00:51:31.743
Just very briefly,
Commissioners.
00:51:33.530 --> 00:51:37.317
We have typically filed this
rule making calendar monthly
00:51:37.317 --> 00:51:40.370
for your consideration
before an open meeting.
00:51:40.370 --> 00:51:43.465
However, in keeping with
your earlier conversation
00:51:43.465 --> 00:51:46.340
about getting a lot of
homework, I think we'll start
00:51:46.340 --> 00:51:48.970
updating it twice monthly.
00:51:48.970 --> 00:51:53.970
And with your permission,
we plan to wait until perhaps
00:51:55.850 --> 00:51:59.460
one day before the open
meeting, rather than the typical
00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:03.397
seven days in order to best
reflect any recent changes
00:52:03.397 --> 00:52:05.190
to the schedule.
00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:06.239
That works for me.
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.550
One idea I'd like to just throw
00:52:09.550 --> 00:52:11.200
out there for conversation.
00:52:11.200 --> 00:52:14.980
So, I know you've been
focused heavily on ERCOT,
00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:18.970
and I've actually started
digging into MISO and SPP,
00:52:18.970 --> 00:52:20.460
how they sort of work.
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:23.980
One of the systems that, you know, from,
00:52:23.980 --> 00:52:28.408
at least one of those, that's
come up is they actually,
00:52:28.408 --> 00:52:31.550
especially with the amount
of homework we have to do,
00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:33.880
I think we're gonna
be dealing with a matrix
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.370
of either rule makings
or policy projects
00:52:36.370 --> 00:52:38.480
that we'll be considering.
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.480
And I think for the purposes of, again,
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.270
of these workshops
that we'll have set up,
00:52:43.270 --> 00:52:46.770
should we, and again,
this is just for consideration
00:52:46.770 --> 00:52:49.500
to digest, but should
we consider assigning
00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:51.650
a Commissioner, and
if we get a third or fourth
00:52:51.650 --> 00:52:53.580
or fifth, even more's the better,
00:52:53.580 --> 00:52:57.540
to once we kind of have
an idea of the matrix,
00:52:57.540 --> 00:52:59.730
to each topic so that we can...
00:52:59.730 --> 00:53:03.280
One Commission office can
help keep those workshops
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.840
on track for organizational purposes.
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.911
Again, everybody can
come to them, and that way,
00:53:08.911 --> 00:53:11.730
but it just adds sort
of a point of contact
00:53:11.730 --> 00:53:13.800
in terms of coordination on those things
00:53:14.810 --> 00:53:16.190
so that they don't slow down,
00:53:16.190 --> 00:53:18.100
so that they know at least
there's one Commissioner
00:53:18.100 --> 00:53:20.440
that's always gonna be
hounding the stakeholders
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:21.533
to get stuff in.
00:53:22.410 --> 00:53:23.550
What do you think?
00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:24.560
I think that's a good idea.
00:53:24.560 --> 00:53:25.930
With that kind of ownership
00:53:25.930 --> 00:53:28.100
comes accountability for all of us.
00:53:28.100 --> 00:53:28.990
Exactly.
00:53:28.990 --> 00:53:31.800
And that way when
we're up here on the dais
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:33.380
and these discussions come up,
00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:35.220
it's sort of the responsibility
of that Commissioner
00:53:35.220 --> 00:53:38.530
to give a little mini book report
on where those workshops
00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:41.660
have gone, and that'll drive
the conversation still further.
00:53:41.660 --> 00:53:45.160
And I think that would
also enable Commissioners,
00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:47.460
how ever we end up with,
how many we end up with,
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:50.700
to provide feedback to
the other Commissioners
00:53:50.700 --> 00:53:53.760
and, for lack of a better
term, more homework.
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:54.593
Exactly.
00:53:55.690 --> 00:53:59.050
I will say your
matrix, however,
00:53:59.050 --> 00:54:01.080
will probably be three-dimensional.
00:54:01.080 --> 00:54:01.963
Yeah, could be.
00:54:03.090 --> 00:54:03.923
It's gonna be great.
00:54:04.909 --> 00:54:06.120
I'll have to take that
into consideration.
00:54:06.120 --> 00:54:07.900
But I think that's an excellent idea.
00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:09.123
Cool, great.
00:54:10.424 --> 00:54:11.841
Anything else?
00:54:11.841 --> 00:54:12.751
Not at this time.
00:54:12.751 --> 00:54:13.777
All right.
00:54:13.777 --> 00:54:14.760
All right, I don't
have anything
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.090
for 41 through 44, do you?
00:54:18.090 --> 00:54:19.270
No sir, I don't.
00:54:19.270 --> 00:54:20.103
We do have 44, sir.
00:54:20.103 --> 00:54:20.936
44.
00:54:20.936 --> 00:54:21.769
Oh, that's right.
00:54:23.488 --> 00:54:25.710
44 will be closed session.
00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:26.900
Anything you want to add on that,
00:54:26.900 --> 00:54:28.200
or will we just be prepared to go?
00:54:28.200 --> 00:54:30.390
No, we just need to
adjourn in the closed session.
00:54:30.390 --> 00:54:32.890
All right, we do have items
for closed session today.
00:54:32.890 --> 00:54:34.700
Having convened and
duly noticed open meeting,
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Commission will now at
10:30 a.m. on May 21st, 2021
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hold a closed session for Chapter 551
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of the Texas Government Code.
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It will consult with its attorney
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pursuant to section 551.071 of the code,
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deliberate personnel matters
presented to section 551.074
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the code will deliberate
security matters pursuant
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to section 551.076 of the code.
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And at this point, we are
recessed to closed session.
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The session has hereby
concluded at 11:06 a.m.
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on May 21st, 2021.
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The Commission will now
resume its public meeting.
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No action was taken by the
Commission in closed session.
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At this point, having
no further business,
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this meeting of the
Public Utility Commission
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of Texas is adjourned.
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(gavel bangs)