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Welcome to the
California Public Utilities
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Commission, public voting meeting
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on this day Thursday, April 15th, 2021.
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Today's call is being recorded.
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If you have any objections,
you may disconnect at this time.
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President Batjer may proceed.
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Thank you so much operator
and good morning everyone.
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We need to first establish a
quorum, could the agenda clerk
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please call the roll.
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Commissioner Houck?
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Here.
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Commissioner
Shiroma?
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Present.
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Commissioner
Rechtschaffen?
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I'm here.
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Commissioner
Guzman Aceves?
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Here.
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President Batjer?
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Here, thank you.
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A quorum has been established.
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Welcome to the California
Public Utilities Commission.
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I'm calling this meeting
of April 15th, 2021
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public agenda number 34, 83 to order.
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Due to the Coronavirus pandemic
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and the short-term placed order,
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we're conducting today's
business meeting online
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and by remote participation.
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So before we commence
with the Public Comment,
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I would like to note that,
though it is only mid April,
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the state is already mobilizing
to prevent and prepare
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for wildfires season this year.
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Recent years have
brought some of the most
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deadly and destructive
wildfires our state has seen.
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The 2020 wildfire season,
saw over 4 million acres
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burned in California.
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More than the amount burned,
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in the devastating years of
2018 and 2019 combined.
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The acceleration of climate change,
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is causing our wildfire
season to start earlier
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and end later.
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This week, we saw the first
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Public Safety Power Shutoff event
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of the 2021 fire season.
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It was only three months ago,
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in mid January that
Californians experienced
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the last power shutoff of
the last wild fire season.
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With dry conditions
caused by low precipitation
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this past winter,
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we are facing another
very high risk fire season.
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In response, the state is
acting to reduce this risk.
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On Tuesday Governor Newsom
signed Senate bill 85 into law
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which provides $536
million to accelerate,
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wildfire prevention
efforts across the state.
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This funding is part
of Governor Newsom's
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overall $1 billion investment,
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in forest health and
community fire resilience
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in the proposed 2021, 2022 state budget.
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Importantly, this legislation
enables these projects
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to commence sooner
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in advance of finalizing
the state budget
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and before the 2021
fire season accelerates
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in the summer months.
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At the CPUC, we are also
acting to reduce the risks
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of utility infrastructure
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igniting fires in the wild
land urban interface.
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To our review of their
annual wildfire mitigation plan,
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we are driving the
investor owned utilities to
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reduce the risk of
utility caused wildfires,
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through better planning,
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grid hardening and
vegetation management.
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Last year, the Commission
adopted comprehensive guidelines
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for reviewing the utilities
wildfire mitigation plans
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at significantly raised
standards and expectations
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for the utilities to include
stronger justifications
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and data in their plans
to support their chosen
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wildfire safety initiatives.
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These guidelines were
adopted to better assess
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the utilities wildfire
mitigation capabilities
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and their strategies for reducing risk
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and continuously improving.
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On February 5th, PG&E, SDG and ESC
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submitted their 2021
wildfire mitigation plan update.
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The CPUC's wildfire safety division,
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is currently reviewing these plans
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and is targeting to
finalize them by June.
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The wildfire mitigation
plans, also require the utilities
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to explain their use of
Public Safety Power Shutoff
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as a wildfire mitigation strategy.
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To further drive the
utilities implementation,
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of proactive power shutoff
as the measure of last resort,
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we are currently working
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on updates to the PSPS
guidelines, which will be finalized
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in the next couple of months.
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Before the end of June certainly.
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We remain focused on ensuring
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the utilities provide sufficient notice
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to affective customers.
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Mitigate the impacts of
proactive power shutoff
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and publicly report on
outcomes and lessons learned.
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To prepare for the 2021 wildfire season,
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customers should contact their utility,
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to sign up for the Public
Safety Power Shutoff
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notifications and updates.
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Customers should also make sure,
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they have emergency
plans and resources in place.
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To learn more about
preparing for wildfires,
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visit readyforwildfire.org.
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You can also visit our
PSPS frequently asked
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questions page @thecpuc.ca.gov//PSPSFAQ.
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Okay, with that we will now thank you.
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With that we will now
turn to Public Comment.
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Let me repeat the instructions.
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If you wish to make a Public Comment
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and you have already dialed in
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to the Public Comment telephone line,
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please press star one to get
into the Public Comment queue.
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CPUC rules do not allow
for parties in proceedings
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to speak about open proceedings.
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The public can make
comments addressing items
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on the consent and regular agenda,
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as well as items not
on the agenda today.
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Please note that there will
not be a Public Comment
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on all items on the
closed session agenda.
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You will have two minutes to speak.
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Let me repeat that.
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You will have two minutes to speak.
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You will hear a bell so listen.
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You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up.
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Please be mindful of
other speakers in the queue
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and please keep to your allotted time.
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With that guidance in mind,
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I welcome today's speakers
and we'll in a moment
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turn to the operator to
open up the public line.
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Before doing so I do want to
make a statement however.
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We would like to
ensure everyone is aware
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that item number six on today's agenda,
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the resolution related
to a request for review
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of PG&E Safety Certificate,
has been withdrawn
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and will not be considered
on today's agenda.
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Item six has been withdrawn.
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The resolution related to placing PG&E
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into the enhanced oversight
and enforcement process,
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is still on the agenda
for consideration today.
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And there will be a
presentation regarding that
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by executive director Peterson,
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on the agenda when we get
to the regular agenda items.
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So let me repeat item agenda number six,
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the resolution related to a request
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for review of PG&E"s Safety Certificate
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has been withdrawn.
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Okay, with that operator will you please
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open the public call telephone lines?
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Thank you, the Public
Comment line is now open.
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If you wish to speak during
the Public Comment period
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please press star one, unmute your phone
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and clearly record your name
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and organization when prompted.
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Our first caller is Mark Tony,
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sir you may go ahead.
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Hello, Mark Tony
executive director of Tern.
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Commissioner, removing
the Safety Certificate
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draft resolution from the
agenda at the last minute,
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denied due process rights to rate payers
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because it means that tern can not file
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an appeal in the court,
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because there is no decision to appeal.
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If you were not sure if
the PUC had the authority
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to review the Safety
Certificate decision,
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you should have told us when
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responding to Terns January 25th, filing
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asking for review and
asking for clarification
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of the proper process
for appealing the decision.
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You should have told
us on February 25th,
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when you issued this
draft resolution affirming
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PG&E"s needs Safety Certificate
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after you did a thorough review.
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At no time between
January 25th and April 14th
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did the PUC questioned
its authority to review
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or affirm the wildfire
division decision.
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The right to go to court
to appeal a decision,
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of a government agency
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is a bed rock principles of democracy.
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Refusing to vote,
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on the draft resolution
at the last minute
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while refusing to
identify another process
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for appealing the Safety
Certificate denies rate payers
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their constitutional
right to go to court
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to seek review of an
administrative decision.
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Tern calls on the CPUC,
to do the right thing
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and restore the right to due process
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by placing the Safety
Certificate draft resolution
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on the agenda, for a vote
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at the April 22nd CPUC
meeting, thank you.
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Thank you Mr. Tony
operator, the next caller please.
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Our next
caller is Susan Lessen.
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You may go ahead.
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Susan Lessen, Sierra
Club Loma Prieta Chapter.
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I am on the transportation committee
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of the Sierra club Loma Prieta Chapter.
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I appreciate the opportunity
to provide comments
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and Consent Agenda item 25
proposed decision A1909011
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for Prop SF to amend
its vessel common carrier
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authorization to allow
unscheduled pre-arrange service.
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The members of Sierra
club Loma Prieta Chapter,
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are committed to
protecting San Francisco Bay
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and its ecosystem.
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We support the citizens
committee to complete the refuge
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Public Comment letters
submitted on April 9, 2021.
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To address the potential
for significant adverse
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environmental impacts, we
strongly urge the Commission
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to add the following
provisions to the order.
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Number one, require Prop SF to disclose
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all landing sites to the CPUC
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and number two required
notification to resource agency
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and an environmental impact
assessment for any routes,
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transiting through or adjacent
to sensitive wildlife habitat
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that could be adversely impacted
by Prop SF ferry operation.
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The ALJs conclusion was quote,
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"the applicant's proposed
operations will not result
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in a direct physical
change to the environment
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or reasonable indirect physical
change in the environment"
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unquote, his conclusion was
based on a longstanding CPUC
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policy that permits
common carriers to operate,
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at existing landing site facilities
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without environmental
review under SECRA,
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because in those circumstances, quote
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"there is no possibility
that the proposed service
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will have a significant effect
on the environment" unquote.
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There is no question that certain routes
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in San Francisco Bay
requires ferries to transfer
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to sensitive wildlife habitat.
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The use of existing
landing sites facilities,
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is not in any way preclude
the occurrence of actual direct
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or indirect physical changes
in the environment from ferry
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repeatedly trans versing Bay
waters entering specific base
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blues and creeks or
impacting wildlife habitat
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and adjacent natural shoreline.
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(bell ringing)
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One of the key provisions of SECRA,
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is providing notification
to resource agencies,
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so they have an opportunity
to outline operating conditions
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and other measures that
reduce impact to quote
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"a less than significant level" unquote.
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(bell ringing)
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The CPUC cannot
advocate it's responsibility to--
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Ms. Lessen, I'm sorry
to interrupt but your time
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has come up.
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The bell has rung.
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You've had your two
minutes, so thank you.
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Thank you for
giving our comments
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your careful consideration.
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Appreciate that, thank you.
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Operator could you move
on to the next caller please?
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Our next
caller is Audrey Ichinose
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with East Bay Clean Power Alliance.
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You may go ahead.
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Thank you,
I'm Audrey Ichinose,
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East Bay Clean Power Alliance
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and I regret that item
six has been withdrawn
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but I think the following
will also apply to placing
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PG&E under greater oversight.
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The Wildfire Safety
Certificate question is important.
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The certificate redirects
wildfire related costs
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from PG&E shareholders
onto rate payers like us.
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And does PG&E deserve
the Safety Certificate?
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Obviously not Cal
fire's report last month
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suggested PG&E is negligence
in vegetation management
00:16:11.920 --> 00:16:14.890
as the cause of September Zogg fire.
00:16:14.890 --> 00:16:18.020
In other words, PG&Es conduct in 2020
00:16:18.020 --> 00:16:21.730
was not much different
from its conduct in 2019
00:16:21.730 --> 00:16:23.530
with the Kincade fire
00:16:23.530 --> 00:16:26.800
or in 2018 with the campfire.
00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:30.150
In the larger picture,
the Safety Certificate
00:16:30.150 --> 00:16:34.600
would bestow the magic
cloak of both reasonableness
00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.730
on PG&Es conduct.
00:16:36.730 --> 00:16:38.460
This term allows officials,
00:16:38.460 --> 00:16:41.193
to kick the can down the road yet again,
00:16:42.740 --> 00:16:43.843
to greater costs.
00:16:44.890 --> 00:16:46.700
It allows everyone,
00:16:46.700 --> 00:16:48.530
from the Governor and legislature
00:16:48.530 --> 00:16:50.980
on down to you on the Commission,
00:16:50.980 --> 00:16:54.150
to avoid the increasingly obvious need,
00:16:54.150 --> 00:16:58.600
to dethrone the investor
owned utility model.
00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:02.420
California desperately
needs a more pluralistic,
00:17:02.420 --> 00:17:06.140
resilient system of distributed energy
00:17:06.140 --> 00:17:09.280
with open access distribution.
00:17:09.280 --> 00:17:12.530
Facing another summer
of extreme wildfires,
00:17:12.530 --> 00:17:14.663
as the chairwoman has pointed out,
00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:20.520
can we afford taking the can
down the road one more time?
00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:23.070
I don't think so.
00:17:23.070 --> 00:17:25.197
Thank you so much for your attention.
00:17:26.730 --> 00:17:30.173
Thank you, operator
next caller, please.
00:17:31.923 --> 00:17:34.320
Our next
caller is Brett Garrett.
00:17:34.320 --> 00:17:35.170
You may go ahead.
00:17:37.049 --> 00:17:38.480
[Brett} Hi, this
is Brett Garrett.
00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.570
I'm a member of the Santa
Cruz Climate Action Network
00:17:41.570 --> 00:17:43.080
and also a member of the
00:17:43.080 --> 00:17:45.750
California Alliance
for Community Energy.
00:17:45.750 --> 00:17:48.120
I'm speaking only for myself,
00:17:48.120 --> 00:17:50.910
regarding item 36 to place PG&E
00:17:50.910 --> 00:17:54.410
into the enhanced oversight
and enforcement process.
00:17:54.410 --> 00:17:57.220
And I'm also asking
you to bring back item six
00:17:57.220 --> 00:17:58.670
for a future meeting.
00:17:58.670 --> 00:18:01.720
I support the Reclaim
Our Power Campaign,
00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.810
I also support the previous comments
00:18:03.810 --> 00:18:06.543
of Mark Tony and Audrey Ichinose.
00:18:07.490 --> 00:18:09.570
You must hold PG&E accountable
00:18:09.570 --> 00:18:12.070
for recent fires and power outages.
00:18:12.070 --> 00:18:16.150
Please start the oversight
and enforcement process today
00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:18.830
and as soon as possible, please revoke
00:18:18.830 --> 00:18:21.700
or resend PG&E Safety Certificate
00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:24.260
and go swiftly into step three
00:18:24.260 --> 00:18:26.920
of the oversight and
enforcement process.
00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:28.113
Thank you very much.
00:18:29.990 --> 00:18:32.983
Thank you Mr. Garrett,
the next caller please.
00:18:43.560 --> 00:18:45.393
Operator the next caller please.
00:18:46.780 --> 00:18:49.010
Our next
caller is Dave Shukla.
00:18:49.010 --> 00:18:49.910
Your line is open.
00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:53.880
Dave Shukla calling you
00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:55.403
from Long Beach, California.
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I'd like to speak on
agenda item number six
00:19:00.733 --> 00:19:03.680
that was withdrawn the last minute.
00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.370
I'd like to call on the CPUC
00:19:06.370 --> 00:19:10.810
to put it to an open vote on the 22nd.
00:19:10.810 --> 00:19:13.110
This issue of the
so-called Safety Certificate
00:19:14.380 --> 00:19:17.500
needs to be publicly voted on
00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:19.650
and publicly acknowledged.
00:19:19.650 --> 00:19:20.780
Refusing to do so,
00:19:20.780 --> 00:19:24.400
changing the agenda the last minute,
00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.373
does deprive rate payers
with their due process right.
00:19:30.840 --> 00:19:34.300
Also I'd like to speak
in favor of item 36
00:19:34.300 --> 00:19:37.403
the enhanced enforcement provision.
00:19:40.410 --> 00:19:43.280
I'd like to call on CPUC to reject
00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:47.610
pitching in so-called Safety
Certificates and to do so
00:19:49.580 --> 00:19:52.630
in an open vote next week, thank you.
00:19:55.043 --> 00:19:58.163
Thank you, operator
the next call please.
00:20:01.423 --> 00:20:03.240
Our next
caller is Tom Perez.
00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:04.090
You may go ahead.
00:20:05.340 --> 00:20:07.160
Hi, my name is Tom Perez
00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.300
and I live in North San Diego County.
00:20:10.300 --> 00:20:12.440
I'm addressing you today to emphasize
00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.460
that I want the California
Public Utilities Commission
00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:17.530
to strengthen net metering,
00:20:17.530 --> 00:20:20.750
so that more Californians
can participate in making,
00:20:20.750 --> 00:20:23.680
storing and sharing solar energy.
00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:26.410
The way to do this is
to keep Rooftop Solar
00:20:26.410 --> 00:20:29.470
and battery storage
growing in California.
00:20:29.470 --> 00:20:32.900
I'm a veteran and I
read in the VA newsletter
00:20:32.900 --> 00:20:35.620
that I received, that training in solar
00:20:35.620 --> 00:20:38.310
is available specifically
for veterans through the
00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:42.203
Solar Ready Veterans Network, SRVN.
00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:44.870
Promoting local solar,
00:20:44.870 --> 00:20:48.660
creates local jobs and
helps our local community.
00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:51.190
Rooftop Solar and
battery storage projects,
00:20:51.190 --> 00:20:53.720
are one of the best
ways to employ veterans
00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.410
and all Californians who wish to
00:20:56.410 --> 00:21:00.350
work in creating a more
green energy in our state.
00:21:00.350 --> 00:21:02.870
Your continued support for Rooftop Solar
00:21:02.870 --> 00:21:06.010
creates lots of local
jobs and opportunities
00:21:06.010 --> 00:21:08.930
in every community and
cannot be outsourced.
00:21:08.930 --> 00:21:12.930
California has both a
natural and human resources,
00:21:12.930 --> 00:21:15.060
to be a leader in green energy.
00:21:15.060 --> 00:21:18.810
Now is the time to continue
to support Rooftop Solar
00:21:18.810 --> 00:21:21.130
and battery storage systems.
00:21:21.130 --> 00:21:22.883
Thank you for your consideration.
00:21:24.570 --> 00:21:28.563
Thank you for your call,
operator the next caller please.
00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.340
Our next
caller is Lee Miller
00:21:32.340 --> 00:21:34.130
with the Solar Rights Alliance.
00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:34.980
You may go ahead.
00:21:36.230 --> 00:21:37.500
My name is Lee Miller.
00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:41.180
I am an Intel employee
and live in Sacramento.
00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:44.440
I am also a board member
of the Solar Rights Alliance,
00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:48.620
the nonprofit association
of California solar users.
00:21:48.620 --> 00:21:51.300
I stand with the Reclaim
Our Power Campaign,
00:21:51.300 --> 00:21:55.630
to transform our energy system
to meet the community needs.
00:21:55.630 --> 00:21:58.880
The current utility model
is failing the people.
00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:02.170
The utilities are giving us
energy that is too expensive,
00:22:02.170 --> 00:22:04.840
too unreliable and too dangerous.
00:22:04.840 --> 00:22:08.090
I hope you put the issue
back on the agenda.
00:22:08.090 --> 00:22:10.070
They profits from our sufferings,
00:22:10.070 --> 00:22:13.660
draining wealth out of our community
00:22:13.660 --> 00:22:15.653
with very little accountability.
00:22:16.760 --> 00:22:18.800
To get there, we need you our regulators
00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:20.410
to hold them accountable.
00:22:20.410 --> 00:22:22.880
Specifically, you should have PG&E
00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.290
held responsible for causing
fires and killing people.
00:22:26.290 --> 00:22:29.620
That means rejecting
PG&E's Safety Certificate.
00:22:29.620 --> 00:22:33.010
Stepping up your oversight
of PG&E's every move
00:22:33.010 --> 00:22:35.420
and making sure rate
payers do not put the bill
00:22:35.420 --> 00:22:37.610
for PG&E's negligence.
00:22:37.610 --> 00:22:40.230
In February the California PUC admitted
00:22:40.230 --> 00:22:42.880
that utilities are
rewarded for overspending
00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:45.600
on transmission lines and under spending
00:22:45.600 --> 00:22:47.780
maintaining those very lines.
00:22:47.780 --> 00:22:50.590
You must change this perverse incentive
00:22:50.590 --> 00:22:53.910
and until you do, you
should not trust anything
00:22:53.910 --> 00:22:56.283
that utilities tell you, thank you.
00:22:59.430 --> 00:23:02.453
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:23:04.660 --> 00:23:07.270
Our next
caller is Gina Myersim.
00:23:07.270 --> 00:23:08.120
You may go ahead.
00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:12.490
Hi, my name is Gina Myersim
00:23:12.490 --> 00:23:14.450
and I am a steering committee member
00:23:14.450 --> 00:23:16.380
of the Peninsula Chapter of the
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:18.870
Democratic Socialists of America.
00:23:18.870 --> 00:23:20.220
Energy is a human right
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:24.090
and we need utilities that are
not only affordable but safe.
00:23:24.090 --> 00:23:26.280
PG&E has shown time and time again
00:23:26.280 --> 00:23:28.950
that safety regulations
don't apply to them
00:23:28.950 --> 00:23:31.080
and that they would
rather shut off power
00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:33.280
for tens of thousands of people.
00:23:33.280 --> 00:23:34.500
Than taking the appropriate
00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:37.420
and necessary steps to keep us safe.
00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:38.370
They demonstrated this
00:23:38.370 --> 00:23:41.380
by failing to maintain
equipment in good working order
00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:44.600
which caused the Zogg
Fire in Northern California.
00:23:44.600 --> 00:23:47.390
They demonstrated this
by violating judge Alsup's
00:23:47.390 --> 00:23:50.050
fire mitigation court
order by deliberately lying
00:23:50.050 --> 00:23:53.510
about which trees to trim
and endangering Californians
00:23:53.510 --> 00:23:56.540
by not trimming the
most dangerous trees.
00:23:56.540 --> 00:23:59.700
They enacted at least
six shutoff events last year,
00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:02.880
deeply impacting thousands
of people's health, safety
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:06.800
and economic wellbeing
with plans for more this year.
00:24:06.800 --> 00:24:08.950
Meanwhile, our energy rates are higher
00:24:08.950 --> 00:24:12.000
and we're being charged
for PG&E's failures,
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.730
all the while paying out
millions to shareholders
00:24:14.730 --> 00:24:18.380
and corporate executives
who caused this problem.
00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:21.120
It is frustrating that the
CPUC removed the vote
00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:23.820
on PG&Es Safety Certificate
from today's agenda
00:24:23.820 --> 00:24:25.310
at the last minute.
00:24:25.310 --> 00:24:28.630
We demand that you hold
PG&E accountable for causing fires
00:24:28.630 --> 00:24:30.130
and killing people.
00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:32.190
We want you to live
up to your responsibility
00:24:32.190 --> 00:24:35.639
and vote today to reject
PG&Es license to burn
00:24:35.639 --> 00:24:39.070
and make the accountability
process swift and transparent,
00:24:39.070 --> 00:24:43.060
so we can move toward an energy system
00:24:43.060 --> 00:24:45.233
that will keep us safe, thank you.
00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:50.193
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:24:57.370 --> 00:25:00.763
Our next caller is
Rob Holly, you may go ahead.
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:03.870
Hi, I'm Rob
Holly from San Jose.
00:25:03.870 --> 00:25:06.000
I have solar in an electric car.
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.080
I edited a battery last November.
00:25:08.080 --> 00:25:10.590
I wanna keep Rooftop
Solar and battery storage
00:25:10.590 --> 00:25:12.520
growing in California.
00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:14.140
First, let me dispel the myth
00:25:14.140 --> 00:25:16.280
that solar means we don't buy power.
00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:18.000
My car's needs are vastly more
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.180
than my solar system can supply.
00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:22.420
In the year ending April, 2020
00:25:22.420 --> 00:25:26.830
I purchased 7,800 kilowatt
hours of power from PG&E.
00:25:26.830 --> 00:25:28.700
All of that was subject to NBC
00:25:28.700 --> 00:25:31.220
and the NBC was not reduced by solar.
00:25:31.220 --> 00:25:33.470
On every kilowatt
hour, I contributed to the
00:25:33.470 --> 00:25:36.030
public purpose program fire mitigation
00:25:36.030 --> 00:25:37.950
and the other NBC programs.
00:25:37.950 --> 00:25:39.510
While my net purchase was lower,
00:25:39.510 --> 00:25:43.720
I did my part with the
battery I sell less power,
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:46.350
but let's look at what
happens to what I do sell.
00:25:46.350 --> 00:25:48.650
I will soon be moved to the EV2 rate,
00:25:48.650 --> 00:25:51.700
at that rate my neighbors will
be buying my daytime power
00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:55.200
with a net profit to PG&E
of 10 cents per kilowatt hour
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:56.950
and that's free money to PG&E.
00:25:57.890 --> 00:26:00.580
Like everyone else, I'm
subject to a minimum bill.
00:26:00.580 --> 00:26:02.850
Yes with the new battery
I will buy less power,
00:26:02.850 --> 00:26:05.360
just like if I was on vacation.
00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:07.900
However, I expect
anyone with electric car
00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:09.250
will meet the minimums.
00:26:09.250 --> 00:26:11.620
So why does PG&E need to levy a fee
00:26:11.620 --> 00:26:14.520
above the minimum on solar users?
00:26:14.520 --> 00:26:15.930
When I'm running on battery,
00:26:15.930 --> 00:26:17.620
it will reduce the power the PG&E
00:26:17.620 --> 00:26:20.270
has to import from wherever.
00:26:20.270 --> 00:26:22.130
That means less investment in costing
00:26:22.130 --> 00:26:24.700
new power lines that we all pay for.
00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:27.030
The next time we have an ISO emergency
00:26:27.030 --> 00:26:28.990
solar and battery
users will be helping to
00:26:28.990 --> 00:26:30.620
keep our neighbor's lights on,
00:26:30.620 --> 00:26:33.150
by either providing
power to our neighbors
00:26:33.150 --> 00:26:35.300
or not adding to the peak load.
00:26:35.300 --> 00:26:36.373
Thank you very much.
00:26:38.300 --> 00:26:41.363
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:26:43.290 --> 00:26:46.360
Our next
caller is Larry Ozeran.
00:26:46.360 --> 00:26:47.950
You may go ahead.
00:26:47.950 --> 00:26:49.600
Thank you and good
morning Commissioners.
00:26:49.600 --> 00:26:51.730
Thank you for making
time for Public Comment.
00:26:51.730 --> 00:26:54.190
I'm Larry Ozeran
speaking as an individual.
00:26:54.190 --> 00:26:57.260
I wanna open my comment
by sharing a conflict of interest
00:26:57.260 --> 00:26:59.110
because I'm an ATT shareholder,
00:26:59.110 --> 00:27:01.860
I want them to remain
profitable to pay dividends.
00:27:01.860 --> 00:27:04.230
Despite this conflict, I
want them to make that profit
00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:06.680
by applying fair business practices.
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:09.210
Please imagine for a moment
that you have a mortgage,
00:27:09.210 --> 00:27:11.900
your mortgage is called
a fixed discount mortgage
00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:14.780
and every month your
mortgage payment increases.
00:27:14.780 --> 00:27:16.854
Interest rates rise by a 1/4%
00:27:16.854 --> 00:27:18.850
and your payment rises accordingly.
00:27:18.850 --> 00:27:20.740
The fixed part of your
agreement is the discount
00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:23.170
your lender offers from
the current interest rate.
00:27:23.170 --> 00:27:25.180
It is fixed in the name,
00:27:25.180 --> 00:27:27.550
but it is effectively a
variable rate mortgage,
00:27:27.550 --> 00:27:29.450
with an intentionally misleading name.
00:27:30.360 --> 00:27:32.430
That agreement with your
lender would look like the fixed
00:27:32.430 --> 00:27:35.580
discount agreement that
ATT sells to its customers.
00:27:35.580 --> 00:27:38.170
A fixed discount, is
not a fair agreement
00:27:38.170 --> 00:27:39.940
because it locks in the purchaser
00:27:39.940 --> 00:27:42.150
but allows the seller to
continuously raise prices
00:27:42.150 --> 00:27:43.600
and charge the customer more.
00:27:44.520 --> 00:27:47.840
You might get a $20 discount
every month off the list price
00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:49.090
but the list price of the service
00:27:49.090 --> 00:27:51.360
can rise by $5 every month.
00:27:51.360 --> 00:27:54.330
This is an asymmetric
and thus unfair agreement.
00:27:54.330 --> 00:27:57.406
Unlike interest rates, which
might occasionally go down.
00:27:57.406 --> 00:27:59.710
ATT prices never go down.
00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:02.190
A fixed a discount agreement,
is guaranteed to lead
00:28:02.190 --> 00:28:04.870
to rising charges throughout
the term of the agreement.
00:28:04.870 --> 00:28:07.430
When I recently noticed
our bill rising every month,
00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:10.270
that was when this issue
first came to my attention.
00:28:10.270 --> 00:28:13.470
Unlike a bank, ATT has few competitors.
00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:16.350
Customers can't simply buy
from a different service provider
00:28:16.350 --> 00:28:19.020
because of the terms
ATT offers are unfair.
00:28:19.020 --> 00:28:21.860
I suspected the only way
for customers to get a fair deal
00:28:21.860 --> 00:28:23.610
maybe for you to prohibit this type of
00:28:23.610 --> 00:28:25.520
fixed discount agreement.
00:28:25.520 --> 00:28:28.080
Please make this a future
agenda item for discussion.
00:28:28.080 --> 00:28:29.280
Thank you for your time.
00:28:30.580 --> 00:28:33.653
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
00:28:36.490 --> 00:28:38.710
Our next
caller is Allan Marlin.
00:28:38.710 --> 00:28:39.560
You may go ahead.
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.840
Hello I'm with the
Sunrise Movement.
00:28:43.840 --> 00:28:46.770
PG&E is a corrupt and
criminal organizations
00:28:46.770 --> 00:28:50.240
who's executives have
doubled their salaries
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.240
while burning Californians alive,
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.713
and failing to invest
in better infrastructure.
00:28:54.713 --> 00:28:57.430
That companies should be
under enhanced oversight
00:28:57.430 --> 00:29:00.770
and its executives should
be tried for manslaughter.
00:29:00.770 --> 00:29:04.560
The withdrawal of item
six at the last minute,
00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:06.500
is underhanded and a shameful act
00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:08.640
by the Public Utilities Commission.
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.080
Making me confirm,
everyone on the Commission
00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:14.900
is also corrupt and
complicit with PG&E crimes.
00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:18.540
If that's not true, you return
item six to an open vote
00:29:18.540 --> 00:29:21.343
and reject PG&Es Safety Certificate.
00:29:27.090 --> 00:29:30.513
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
00:29:31.970 --> 00:29:34.480
Our next
caller is Truda Bilcon.
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:35.383
Your line is open.
00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:49.020
And again, Truda your line is open
00:29:49.020 --> 00:29:50.370
we're not able to hear you.
00:29:50.370 --> 00:29:51.870
Please check your mute button.
00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:01.770
Caller please check
your mute button.
00:30:01.770 --> 00:30:03.083
We can't hear you,
00:30:11.010 --> 00:30:12.750
Operator, I think we're
gonna have to move on
00:30:12.750 --> 00:30:14.900
and hopefully the
caller will call back in.
00:30:15.758 --> 00:30:19.100
Okay, our next
caller is Dr. Jim Stewart.
00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:20.150
Sir you may go ahead.
00:30:21.420 --> 00:30:23.140
Hi, I'm Dr. Jim Stewart
00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:25.710
an energy consultant
living in Long Beach
00:30:25.710 --> 00:30:28.570
and President Batjer on April 6th,
00:30:28.570 --> 00:30:30.720
you personally introduced a workshop
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.483
on the extreme weather
reliability's proceedings but,
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.400
your remarks asked the
CCA to recruit our customers
00:30:42.010 --> 00:30:44.700
to participate in investor owned
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.250
Utility Demand Response Programs.
00:30:48.250 --> 00:30:51.080
This is not necessary.
00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:56.080
What you should do. the
Commission should require the IOUs
00:30:56.660 --> 00:31:01.630
to follow the law and start
providing the smart meter data
00:31:01.630 --> 00:31:05.880
on a day after basis to
the CCAs as is required
00:31:06.750 --> 00:31:11.750
in PUC 33, 366 and 8380.
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.300
And the point is that
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:20.550
these smart meters are
fabulous tools that all of us
00:31:20.550 --> 00:31:25.550
rate payers paid for,
but the data goes only
00:31:25.780 --> 00:31:29.460
to the IOUs and they provide that data,
00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:32.460
over maybe the next four or five days
00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:36.330
so it can't be used in a real time basis
00:31:36.330 --> 00:31:41.140
for the CCAs to do what's
needed to keep the lights on.
00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:46.020
For details you need to
see that reply briefly filed
00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:50.050
February 12th by Samuel
Golding and Jane Kerkorian
00:31:50.050 --> 00:31:54.160
of the Utility Consumers Action Network.
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.990
And they show that the
problem is PG&E share my data
00:31:57.990 --> 00:32:02.713
platform does not comply
with the UC electric rule 25.
00:32:04.130 --> 00:32:09.010
So the issue is that you...
00:32:09.010 --> 00:32:11.870
well first of all, Texas does it.
00:32:11.870 --> 00:32:14.010
I mean, if Texas can do it,
00:32:14.010 --> 00:32:17.110
they provide a single
data platform through which
00:32:17.110 --> 00:32:21.300
the utilities provide all of
the non IOU, LSE access
00:32:21.300 --> 00:32:24.600
on a 15 minute interval
on a the day after basis
00:32:24.600 --> 00:32:26.800
and then this can be used.
00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:31.210
So you need to direct your staff
00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:33.360
and maybe you can't rely on your staff.
00:32:33.360 --> 00:32:36.410
Maybe their problem is
they're a decade out of a date,
00:32:36.410 --> 00:32:38.670
they don't recognize
that-- (bell ringing)
00:32:38.670 --> 00:32:41.950
PCUC customers are supplied by CCAs.
00:32:41.950 --> 00:32:44.363
You must read that
brief yourself, thank you.
00:32:47.070 --> 00:32:50.133
Thank you Dr. Stewart,
next caller please operator.
00:32:51.710 --> 00:32:53.870
Our next
caller is Erica Morgan.
00:32:53.870 --> 00:32:54.720
You may go ahead.
00:32:56.836 --> 00:32:57.700
[Erica} Yes, thank you.
00:32:57.700 --> 00:32:59.710
Good morning, president
Batjer and Commissioners.
00:32:59.710 --> 00:33:02.330
Thank you for the
opportunity to speak today.
00:33:02.330 --> 00:33:03.570
My name is Erica Morgan.
00:33:03.570 --> 00:33:07.010
I'm an independent, clean
energy consultant in San Diego.
00:33:07.010 --> 00:33:09.010
I work closely with
the California Alliance
00:33:09.010 --> 00:33:11.230
for community energy,
with grid alternatives
00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:14.160
and with others in the faith
community in each case,
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.240
working toward a
survivable future for our kids,
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.690
one structured around
clean decentralized
00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:21.980
locally owned renewable energy.
00:33:21.980 --> 00:33:23.960
I'm calling in for several reasons
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.570
and I support the previous
comments on item six
00:33:27.570 --> 00:33:30.740
and expressing the
imperative to elevate the level
00:33:30.740 --> 00:33:33.540
of oversight on PG&E as well as
00:33:33.540 --> 00:33:35.930
to support a strong net
energy metering program
00:33:35.930 --> 00:33:38.370
that enhances access for all customers.
00:33:38.370 --> 00:33:41.250
But mostly I'm calling
to support my concern,
00:33:41.250 --> 00:33:45.120
to express my concern at the
role the Commission has played
00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:48.960
and continues to play in weighing
public and community input
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.440
against the requests of
the entities you regulate.
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.960
Today's example is the
Safety Certificate PG&E expects
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.320
after submitting their wildfire plan.
00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:00.730
Many voices, have testified to the
00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:02.570
inadequacies of their plan.
00:34:02.570 --> 00:34:04.140
Yet you were well prepared
00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:08.730
to award the Safety Certificate
anyway, as a consent item.
00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:11.340
I joined with Reclaim Our Power, Tern
00:34:11.340 --> 00:34:15.090
and others who state that
PG&Es plan was inadequate.
00:34:15.090 --> 00:34:18.000
Their actions since
submitting the plan confirm this
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.090
as multiple failures of
management judgment have resulted
00:34:21.090 --> 00:34:23.330
in six Shut Off events
and equipment failures
00:34:23.330 --> 00:34:25.000
during the Zogg fire,
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.610
that burned over 200 structures
and caused four more deaths.
00:34:29.610 --> 00:34:33.600
I joined many in stating
that these are not the actions
00:34:33.600 --> 00:34:36.850
of a utility that deserves a
Safety Certificate and that
00:34:36.850 --> 00:34:41.140
get out of jail free pass that
this certificate represents.
00:34:41.140 --> 00:34:46.000
Let me end by saying, when
the CPUC approved PG&Es
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.000
reorganization plan,
every Commissioner spoke
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.450
of the authority that
the plan gives you.
00:34:52.450 --> 00:34:57.430
The power to actually hold
PG&E fully accountable.
00:34:57.430 --> 00:34:59.870
You now need to use that authority
00:34:59.870 --> 00:35:03.190
in a way that rebuilds
public trust in credibility.
00:35:03.190 --> 00:35:05.930
When you fail to hold PG&E accountable,
00:35:05.930 --> 00:35:07.940
you reinforce the public impression
00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:10.970
that you are not a
neutral regulator at all
00:35:10.970 --> 00:35:14.410
but a captive enabler
of those irregulate.
00:35:14.410 --> 00:35:16.960
Thank you, for the
opportunity to say these things.
00:35:18.620 --> 00:35:21.833
Thank you Ms. Morgan,
operator the next caller please.
00:35:23.474 --> 00:35:25.370
Our next
caller is Al Weinrub.
00:35:25.370 --> 00:35:26.403
You may go ahead.
00:35:28.040 --> 00:35:29.510
Hi, I'm Al Weinrub,
00:35:29.510 --> 00:35:33.060
coordinator of the California
Alliance for Community Energy.
00:35:33.060 --> 00:35:37.060
Our organization has not taken
a formal position on item 36,
00:35:37.060 --> 00:35:39.410
but I want to share with you,
00:35:39.410 --> 00:35:42.430
what our members
are viewed as a six step
00:35:42.430 --> 00:35:44.963
failed accountability of process.
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.710
Step one was due to PG&Es neglect to
00:35:49.710 --> 00:35:52.073
safety sanctioned by the CPUC.
00:35:54.290 --> 00:35:59.240
PG&E caused a rash of
wildfires in 2017 and 2018
00:35:59.240 --> 00:36:01.130
killing over 100 people
00:36:01.130 --> 00:36:04.585
and causing the $30 billion in damages.
00:36:04.585 --> 00:36:08.820
Step two within January, 2019 when PG&E
00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:13.820
filed for bankruptcy protection
to shield shareholders,
00:36:14.300 --> 00:36:17.340
from $30 billion in damages.
00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:21.350
Step three took place
in September, 2019,
00:36:21.350 --> 00:36:25.320
when the CPUC quickly
approved billing rate payers,
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:26.900
to create a multi-billion dollar
00:36:26.900 --> 00:36:29.650
utility wildfire insurance fund,
00:36:29.650 --> 00:36:31.580
the fund is meant to shield PG&E
00:36:31.580 --> 00:36:33.740
from liability for damages,
00:36:33.740 --> 00:36:37.150
from future wildfires
the utility causes.
00:36:37.150 --> 00:36:39.830
PG&E can access this insurance fund,
00:36:39.830 --> 00:36:43.663
once granted a Safety
Certificate by the CPUC.
00:36:44.849 --> 00:36:47.350
Step four in June of 2020,
00:36:47.350 --> 00:36:52.350
is the CPUC approved the
new seal PG&E bankruptcy,
00:36:54.680 --> 00:36:59.660
exit plans settlement that
stiffs wildfires survivors
00:36:59.660 --> 00:37:03.220
and rate payers in
order to bail out PG&E.
00:37:03.220 --> 00:37:07.190
The plan includes a
sham or fake backdoor,
00:37:07.190 --> 00:37:11.170
enhanced oversight enforcement process.
00:37:11.170 --> 00:37:15.970
Step five is that the CPUC
ignores nearly nine months
00:37:15.970 --> 00:37:18.300
of PG&Es safety failures
00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:21.244
as documented in the Reclaim Our Power
00:37:21.244 --> 00:37:25.480
PG&E Safety and
Accountability scorecard.
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.350
PG&E is nevertheless
granted a Safety Certificate
00:37:29.350 --> 00:37:32.066
basically a license to burn.
00:37:32.066 --> 00:37:36.040
Step six is today, in
which the CPUC fails
00:37:36.040 --> 00:37:40.346
to review and revoke
PG&E Safety Certificate.
00:37:40.346 --> 00:37:43.030
(bell ringing)
00:37:43.030 --> 00:37:47.030
For future wildfires, basically
putting a flamethrower
00:37:47.030 --> 00:37:49.230
in the hands of an arsonist.
00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:52.010
Our conclusion, the
failure here to protect the
00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.530
public is not a failure of PG&E,
00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:58.507
it's a failure of
the-- (bell ringing)
00:37:58.507 --> 00:37:59.340
Thank you.
00:38:01.082 --> 00:38:04.520
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:38:06.389 --> 00:38:08.070
Our next
caller is Jennifer Fang.
00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:08.920
You may go ahead.
00:38:11.110 --> 00:38:12.720
Hi, my
name is Jennifer Fang.
00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:14.510
I'm calling you from San Francisco
00:38:14.510 --> 00:38:19.260
and I'm a member of DSA,
ESA eco socialist community.
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:20.950
I stand with previous scholars
00:38:20.950 --> 00:38:23.800
and with the Reclaim Our Power Campaign,
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:27.680
to transform our energy system
to meet community needs.
00:38:27.680 --> 00:38:30.400
Energy is a human right
and we need utilities that are
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.450
affordable, safe, resilient
00:38:32.450 --> 00:38:34.630
and community and work essential.
00:38:34.630 --> 00:38:36.680
To get there need you our regulators
00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:38.610
to hold them accountable.
00:38:38.610 --> 00:38:40.910
Last year, the fires
in Northern California
00:38:40.910 --> 00:38:43.720
reached to across the
street from my parents' house.
00:38:43.720 --> 00:38:45.710
As you can imagine,
it was not a good time.
00:38:45.710 --> 00:38:49.690
And we know that equipment
failure caused the Zogg fire
00:38:49.690 --> 00:38:52.276
in Northern California
that killed four people
00:38:52.276 --> 00:38:55.950
and PG&Es insurance
covered the sea pack fine.
00:38:55.950 --> 00:38:59.120
Meanwhile, PG&E raises
our rates and pays millions
00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:01.690
to its shareholders and
corporate executives.
00:39:01.690 --> 00:39:05.900
It's infuriating, PG&E
has failed to keep us safe.
00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:07.163
Please don't enable them.
00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:10.410
Commissioners, you live
in the same world we do,
00:39:10.410 --> 00:39:14.320
I'm sure a part of you
understands our anger and distress.
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.410
We demand that you hold PG&E accountable
00:39:16.410 --> 00:39:18.780
for causing fires and killing people.
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:21.390
We want you to live up
to your responsibilities
00:39:21.390 --> 00:39:23.700
vote to reject PG&E Safety Certificate,
00:39:23.700 --> 00:39:25.930
when it's put back on a future agenda
00:39:25.930 --> 00:39:28.800
and make the accountability
process swift and transparent
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.890
so we can move toward an energy system
00:39:30.890 --> 00:39:32.040
that will keep us safe.
00:39:37.600 --> 00:39:41.403
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:45.730
Our next
caller is Mary Rose Turok
00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:47.790
with Reclaim Our Power Campaign.
00:39:47.790 --> 00:39:48.913
You may go ahead.
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.490
Good morning,
I'm the coordinator
00:39:53.490 --> 00:39:56.210
of the Reclaim Our Power
Utility justice campaign
00:39:56.210 --> 00:39:59.370
calling in from a Ohlone land, Oakland.
00:39:59.370 --> 00:40:00.610
Thousands of our members,
00:40:00.610 --> 00:40:03.210
are working towards an
energy system that meets
00:40:03.210 --> 00:40:08.030
our community needs, and we
come from frontline communities
00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:09.700
where we wanna get to that place,
00:40:09.700 --> 00:40:11.800
where we're collaborating with you
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.780
on building energy resilience for
00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:18.670
our communities in California
and face the climate crisis
00:40:18.670 --> 00:40:22.650
head on instead of
protesting (Mary laughing)
00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:26.300
these crazy PG&E fires
00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:29.690
on your agenda and the lack of safety
00:40:29.690 --> 00:40:34.690
and ability to do that and
deliver safe energy for us.
00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:36.730
PG&E keeps getting in the way,
00:40:36.730 --> 00:40:39.400
they keep setting fires
and shutting off our power
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.350
and bankrupting us with high rates
00:40:41.350 --> 00:40:45.910
and we need you to stop giving
them more chances to do that.
00:40:45.910 --> 00:40:50.370
Reclaim Our Power stands
with the utility reform network,
00:40:50.370 --> 00:40:53.220
the Public Advocate's Office
and calling for a rejection
00:40:53.220 --> 00:40:55.520
of PG&Es Safety Certificates.
00:40:55.520 --> 00:40:58.600
We're outraged that you've
pulled items six from the agenda
00:40:58.600 --> 00:41:02.637
we want that back, we want
more of that oversight in process
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.130
and we wanna see you Commissioners,
00:41:07.130 --> 00:41:11.800
use your new authority to move
PG&E into at least step three
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.050
of the enhanced enforcement process,
00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:17.990
to get us closer to revoking
PG&Es licensed to operate
00:41:17.990 --> 00:41:19.712
because otherwise this
is what we'll be getting
00:41:19.712 --> 00:41:20.924
this what we will be getting
00:41:20.924 --> 00:41:25.924
and these are sounds of
the Zogg fires the firefighters
00:41:26.300 --> 00:41:28.779
are trying to save people.
00:41:28.779 --> 00:41:32.196
(tape recording playing)
00:41:45.010 --> 00:41:46.350
Our next
question comes from
00:41:46.350 --> 00:41:49.423
Laura Rosenberger
Heider, you may go ahead.
00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:01.740
And Laura Rosenberger Heider--
00:42:01.740 --> 00:42:03.416
Hello you hear me now.
00:42:03.416 --> 00:42:07.790
Yes I do.
00:42:07.790 --> 00:42:11.200
PG&Es safety
failures are due to its outdated
00:42:11.200 --> 00:42:13.840
ill maintained infrastructure.
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.940
Even if all trees and
vegetation are removed,
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:21.240
terrorists or hurricanes
or drivers with COVID
00:42:21.240 --> 00:42:23.700
could knock down the power lines
00:42:23.700 --> 00:42:26.310
then shut off mechanisms
would be useful.
00:42:26.310 --> 00:42:31.253
CPUC needs to require remote
shutoff technology immediately.
00:42:33.030 --> 00:42:37.130
And also I have something to
say about net energy metering
00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:41.580
that it should be
encouraged and they should
00:42:41.580 --> 00:42:43.160
get the full price of selling
00:42:43.160 --> 00:42:45.083
their solar power back to the grid.
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.400
And the other thing like
smart meter technology,
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.840
should be advertised and
encourage and incentivized,
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.410
but there's one problem with the
00:42:55.410 --> 00:42:58.150
smart computerized
air conditioner that I had,
00:42:58.150 --> 00:43:00.580
is I don't like to use
as much air conditioner
00:43:00.580 --> 00:43:02.720
as the standard person uses.
00:43:02.720 --> 00:43:06.940
And I'd really like it
to come on at a higher
00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:10.590
temperature in the summer
than the certain percent
00:43:10.590 --> 00:43:13.453
above what the average
person would have to come on at.
00:43:13.453 --> 00:43:16.750
So I can tolerate a lot
more and I don't really wanna
00:43:16.750 --> 00:43:18.853
be buying fossil fuel power.
00:43:20.250 --> 00:43:24.200
And I wish the technology
was a bit adjustable
00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:28.233
or able not to put the air
conditioner on so much.
00:43:30.060 --> 00:43:31.737
All right, thank you.
00:43:34.075 --> 00:43:37.290
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:43:38.630 --> 00:43:40.290
Our next
caller is Alison Cheng
00:43:40.290 --> 00:43:41.440
with the Peninsula Chapter
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.830
of democratic socialists of America.
00:43:43.830 --> 00:43:44.680
You may go ahead.
00:43:45.530 --> 00:43:46.880
Good morning
Commissioners.
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.220
PG&E has been my energy
provider for the past 20 years,
00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:53.120
the wildfire and blackouts
and the gas explosion
00:43:53.120 --> 00:43:55.800
in San Bruno in San
Mateo County where I live,
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.920
my family lives half a block
away from a major pipeline.
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.230
I have no confidence
in PG&Es willingness
00:44:01.230 --> 00:44:03.150
or ability to change
its business practices
00:44:03.150 --> 00:44:05.100
to ensure the safety of its customers,
00:44:05.100 --> 00:44:06.660
or the hall runaway green gas house.
00:44:06.660 --> 00:44:10.040
The chance and frankly,
why should it be so?
00:44:10.040 --> 00:44:13.220
PG&E is an enormously
profitable virtual monopoly
00:44:13.220 --> 00:44:16.390
that has been very effective
and passing along all its risks
00:44:16.390 --> 00:44:18.940
and all its costs directly
to the working class.
00:44:18.940 --> 00:44:20.470
It can't be bothered to maintain or
00:44:20.470 --> 00:44:22.290
upgrade its power lines and pipes,
00:44:22.290 --> 00:44:24.290
or even cut down the right trees
00:44:24.290 --> 00:44:27.580
and violation of judge Alsup's
fire mitigation court order.
00:44:27.580 --> 00:44:29.580
Instead, this company
advises its customers
00:44:29.580 --> 00:44:31.610
to upgrade the fire
resistant roof shingles
00:44:31.610 --> 00:44:33.660
or to buy their own backup generators.
00:44:33.660 --> 00:44:35.050
Expensive solution is just something
00:44:35.050 --> 00:44:36.788
not available to most people.
00:44:36.788 --> 00:44:38.460
Especially not the elderly or disabled.
00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:40.290
These same customers have no choice
00:44:40.290 --> 00:44:41.580
in where to get their energy,
00:44:41.580 --> 00:44:43.680
are also expected to
suck up the consequences
00:44:43.680 --> 00:44:47.120
of power shutoff such as
losing all their perishable items.
00:44:47.120 --> 00:44:49.330
Restaurants with ability to
drive the COVID era might go
00:44:49.330 --> 00:44:52.120
under the fire season
and thanks to PG&E.
00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:54.130
The only entity that can
hold PG&E accountable
00:44:54.130 --> 00:44:56.316
for its gross negligence is the CPUC.
00:44:56.316 --> 00:44:58.500
Please do your jobs as
responsible regulators
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:00.640
by rejecting this request
for a license to burn
00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:03.540
and refusing to renew
it's Safety Certification.
00:45:03.540 --> 00:45:06.080
Use your authority to hold
PG&Es leadership responsible
00:45:06.080 --> 00:45:07.830
for its catastrophic failures.
00:45:07.830 --> 00:45:10.330
Why should the CEO take
home millions of dollars every year
00:45:10.330 --> 00:45:12.000
for destroying wildlife and forest,
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.450
burning down neighborhoods
and killing his own customers.
00:45:14.450 --> 00:45:18.162
Use PG&E as a step three
of the enhanced oversight
00:45:18.162 --> 00:45:20.380
and enforcement process
and apply a third party monitor
00:45:20.380 --> 00:45:21.630
to helmet a public and transparent
00:45:21.630 --> 00:45:23.500
investigation into its failures.
00:45:23.500 --> 00:45:25.850
Also PG&Es shareholders
not its customers,
00:45:25.850 --> 00:45:27.430
should be the ones
financially responsible
00:45:27.430 --> 00:45:29.820
for paying out fines,
rebuilding damaged property,
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:32.160
restoring burned land
and getting the grid
00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:35.053
up to 21st century standards, thank you.
00:45:37.660 --> 00:45:40.113
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.285
Our next
caller is Kent Dimus,
00:45:45.285 --> 00:45:46.335
sir you may go ahead.
00:45:53.340 --> 00:45:54.923
Again, Kent Dimus
we're not able to hear you.
00:45:54.923 --> 00:45:56.623
Can you check your mute button?
00:45:57.720 --> 00:46:00.279
Sorry, I didn't unmute.
00:46:00.279 --> 00:46:02.100
My name is Kent Dimus.
00:46:02.100 --> 00:46:05.280
I live in Northern San Diego County
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.653
and I wanna talk about item 34.
00:46:08.610 --> 00:46:10.210
I have an electric car
00:46:10.210 --> 00:46:12.623
and I'm interested in
charging infrastructure.
00:46:13.810 --> 00:46:15.990
These any gas and electric power
00:46:15.990 --> 00:46:18.100
your drive chargers are useless
00:46:18.100 --> 00:46:20.460
and a waste of money
because of signup processes
00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:23.850
is too orient on owners and worse
00:46:23.850 --> 00:46:27.170
they teach that public charging
stations can not relied upon
00:46:27.170 --> 00:46:28.700
when you need one.
00:46:28.700 --> 00:46:30.960
These charges look
like standard charges,
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.180
in this case charge point chargers
00:46:33.180 --> 00:46:36.060
but they don't work for
charge points for clients.
00:46:36.060 --> 00:46:37.990
The only help information available
00:46:37.990 --> 00:46:40.270
is charged points help number.
00:46:40.270 --> 00:46:42.800
They tell you that they
cannot help you because
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:47.000
these are private chargers
and therefore they cannot help.
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.200
There is signage that
identifies these chargers as
00:46:50.200 --> 00:46:54.370
Power Your Drive Chargers,
but no contact information.
00:46:54.370 --> 00:46:59.330
No phone number, no
website as PG&E's logo.
00:46:59.330 --> 00:47:03.540
I spoke to a gentleman
who parks his Porsche
00:47:03.540 --> 00:47:07.260
in front of Power Your Drive Charger.
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:09.350
He had an electric vehicle,
00:47:09.350 --> 00:47:12.870
but solar because he
couldn't deal with chargers.
00:47:12.870 --> 00:47:15.190
He knew these chargers were never used.
00:47:15.190 --> 00:47:17.440
So he parked his car there every day
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.460
because it was
convenient for his office.
00:47:19.460 --> 00:47:21.260
There were eight chargers there,
00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:24.373
at $15,000 each gathering dust.
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.440
After enough Googling
you can find the information
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.377
you need to figure what's going on.
00:47:30.377 --> 00:47:33.340
The signup process
requires three accounts;
00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:37.460
central gas electric, charge
points and the property owner.
00:47:37.460 --> 00:47:39.790
You have to get permission
from every property owner
00:47:39.790 --> 00:47:42.170
where you want to charge your car.
00:47:42.170 --> 00:47:45.298
How to user unfriendly can you get?
00:47:45.298 --> 00:47:47.465
(mumbles)
00:47:48.388 --> 00:47:50.100
You're at work, at home,
00:47:50.100 --> 00:47:52.140
at your girlfriends, your mistresses,
00:47:52.140 --> 00:47:54.790
you need to get permission
from every property owner.
00:47:56.110 --> 00:48:00.050
The process needs to
be redesigned to become
00:48:00.050 --> 00:48:04.010
more user-friendly or you're
just wasting everybody's money.
00:48:04.010 --> 00:48:06.670
For that reason-- (bell ringing)
00:48:06.670 --> 00:48:09.016
You declined this
request pending a redesign
00:48:09.016 --> 00:48:11.550
to address the issue.
00:48:11.550 --> 00:48:12.550
Thank you very much.
00:48:13.790 --> 00:48:16.253
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.500
Our next caller
is Gabriela Orrantas
00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:23.940
with the North Bay organizing
project in Sonoma County.
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:24.790
You may go ahead.
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.220
Good morning,
can you hear me?
00:48:29.220 --> 00:48:30.840
Yes, we can.
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:31.920
Okay, great.
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:32.980
Hi, good morning.
00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:34.364
My name is Gabriela Orrantos
00:48:34.364 --> 00:48:37.114
with the North Bay organizing
project in Sonoma County.
00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:40.680
I stand with the Retain
Our Power campaign,
00:48:40.680 --> 00:48:45.680
so I'm calling on you
to use your authority to
00:48:46.270 --> 00:48:51.270
reject PG&E's Safety
Certificate, AKA license to burn.
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.180
We have had our communities burned
00:48:56.290 --> 00:49:01.290
and the trauma and the response
that we have had to endure
00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:05.940
along with surrounding
counties because of
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:10.940
failed safety measures of this company
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:13.440
that you continue to uphold
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:18.440
and failed to regulate is infuriating.
00:49:20.610 --> 00:49:25.030
We shouldn't have to fear warm winds.
00:49:25.030 --> 00:49:28.310
We shouldn't have to expect
00:49:29.890 --> 00:49:34.890
that every season is going
to bring fires and evacuations
00:49:35.240 --> 00:49:39.300
and power shut offs that
don't serve their purpose
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:44.070
because in the end, transformers
that belonged to PG&E
00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:47.843
explode and then create more fires.
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:55.400
I hope that based on what
you mentioned in the beginning
00:49:55.550 --> 00:49:57.860
in your introduction President Batjer,
00:49:57.860 --> 00:50:02.860
that later in the agenda
you mentioned well,
00:50:03.150 --> 00:50:06.240
that item number six has taken off
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.920
but there's opportunity or something
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:14.920
It's confusing and I hope
you are able to clear up
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.983
if there's an opportunity
for the Commissioners to,
00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:24.990
find what they need to
do to actually hold this
00:50:25.860 --> 00:50:30.480
company accountable and
ensure that your authority
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.820
to protect and regulate
for the public interest
00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:35.550
is carried out.
00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:37.670
I hope that-- (bell ringing)
00:50:37.670 --> 00:50:39.960
Staff to figure out what you need to do
00:50:40.910 --> 00:50:45.393
to use your power to do
the right thing, thank you.
00:50:47.700 --> 00:50:50.713
Thank you, operator
next caller, please.
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.210
Our next caller
is Barbara Stebbins.
00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:55.060
You may go ahead.
00:50:57.290 --> 00:50:58.940
My name is
Barbara Stebbins.
00:50:58.940 --> 00:51:02.030
I'm with the Local
Clean Energy Alliance.
00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:06.070
Calling in today in solidarity
with Reclaim Our Powers call
00:51:06.070 --> 00:51:09.280
to revoke PG&E's fire Safety Certificate
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.850
and move this criminal corporation
00:51:11.850 --> 00:51:16.160
into the final stages of the
enhanced oversight process.
00:51:16.160 --> 00:51:21.160
I support Mark Tony allegation
that removal of item six
00:51:21.830 --> 00:51:24.120
is a violation of due process,
00:51:24.120 --> 00:51:26.500
restricting the public's ability to
00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:30.600
object giving PG&E a license to burn.
00:51:30.600 --> 00:51:33.770
This Commission is
failing in its stated mission
00:51:33.770 --> 00:51:37.410
to empower California
to access to safe, clean
00:51:37.410 --> 00:51:41.350
and affordable utility
services and infrastructure,
00:51:41.350 --> 00:51:44.800
and instead is enabling
the continued operation
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.730
of a criminal corporation
to poison, kill, burn
00:51:48.730 --> 00:51:52.960
and blow up people and
neighborhoods throughout the state.
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.730
The CPUC has a long history
of failing to protect the people
00:51:56.730 --> 00:52:01.560
of California from PG&E as is
clear from the fact that PG&E
00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:06.060
has been allowed to continue
its serial criminal behavior,
00:52:06.060 --> 00:52:11.060
resulting in 84 manslaughter
counts, six felony counts
00:52:11.260 --> 00:52:16.260
and this is the responsibility
of this Commission
00:52:16.887 --> 00:52:19.170
and you as Commissioners.
00:52:19.170 --> 00:52:22.750
The additional five felony
counts now facing PG&E
00:52:22.750 --> 00:52:25.730
as a result of the
company's reckless actions
00:52:25.730 --> 00:52:29.070
in the Kincade fire,
demand that you revoke
00:52:29.070 --> 00:52:31.420
their fire Safety Certificate,
00:52:31.420 --> 00:52:35.590
which would involve putting
items six back on the agenda
00:52:35.590 --> 00:52:38.830
for your next voting meeting
and to move them into the
00:52:38.830 --> 00:52:43.093
final stages of the enhanced
oversight process, thank you.
00:52:45.210 --> 00:52:47.923
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
00:52:50.185 --> 00:52:52.770
Our next caller
is Marina Mountainer,
00:52:52.770 --> 00:52:53.620
you may go ahead.
00:52:55.270 --> 00:52:58.350
Hi I'm Marina Mountainer
and I'm a PhD candidate
00:52:58.350 --> 00:53:02.150
in water resources at the
university of California Davis.
00:53:02.150 --> 00:53:04.520
I stand with Reclaim Our Power campaign
00:53:04.520 --> 00:53:08.800
and we need you our regulators
to hold PG&E accountable.
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.160
I want PG&E held
accountable because their profits
00:53:12.160 --> 00:53:14.870
should not take priority over our lives.
00:53:14.870 --> 00:53:17.760
PG&E has time and time
again ignored the warnings
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.560
of independent researchers,
community members
00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:23.430
and even their own workers
that they must maintain
00:53:23.430 --> 00:53:25.930
and update their vital infrastructure.
00:53:25.930 --> 00:53:29.120
The leaders of PG&E have
operated energy infrastructure
00:53:29.120 --> 00:53:31.890
for decades, extracting
value while putting
00:53:31.890 --> 00:53:34.670
little to no funds to
ensuring that the system
00:53:34.670 --> 00:53:37.990
will continue to serve our
communities for years to come.
00:53:37.990 --> 00:53:41.670
Even now, instead of implementing
the appropriate operations
00:53:41.670 --> 00:53:44.510
and maintenance after
years of negligence,
00:53:44.510 --> 00:53:47.890
PG&E instead implement
blanket power shutoff
00:53:47.890 --> 00:53:49.030
affecting the lives
00:53:49.030 --> 00:53:51.560
and the health of
millions of Californians.
00:53:51.560 --> 00:53:54.550
I demand that you hold PG&E accountable,
00:53:54.550 --> 00:53:57.120
for causing explosions and fires
00:53:57.120 --> 00:54:01.240
killing and ruining the lives
of people all over California.
00:54:01.240 --> 00:54:04.771
I demand that you reject
PG&E Safety Certificate
00:54:04.771 --> 00:54:09.771
when possible move PG&E
and to step three or further up
00:54:10.100 --> 00:54:13.310
the enhanced oversight
and enforcement process
00:54:13.310 --> 00:54:15.040
and select the third party monitor,
00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:17.180
to hold the utility accountable.
00:54:17.180 --> 00:54:20.210
Make the enhanced oversight
and enforcement process public
00:54:20.210 --> 00:54:24.120
and transparent by moving it
to an official CPUC proceeding
00:54:24.120 --> 00:54:28.270
and force PG&E shareholders
not the people's California,
00:54:28.270 --> 00:54:31.243
to pay for the company's
failures, thank you.
00:54:33.700 --> 00:54:36.513
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
00:54:38.284 --> 00:54:40.680
Our next
caller is Ron Whitehurst.
00:54:40.680 --> 00:54:41.530
You may go ahead.
00:54:45.910 --> 00:54:48.147
Thank you, my
name is Ron Whitehurst.
00:54:48.147 --> 00:54:53.147
I represent the 350
Ventura County Climate Hub.
00:54:53.530 --> 00:54:55.720
And I appreciate the
opportunity to speak.
00:54:55.720 --> 00:54:57.570
welcome Commissioner Houck.
00:54:57.570 --> 00:55:00.860
As a former ALJ you know, it's illegal
00:55:00.860 --> 00:55:04.370
for Southern California
Edison, to hold smart meter data
00:55:04.370 --> 00:55:07.160
from our CCA.
00:55:07.160 --> 00:55:10.790
We are counting on you to
lead and directing the IOUs to
00:55:10.790 --> 00:55:13.760
share the incremental smart meter data
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.890
to the extent produced
on a day after basis.
00:55:17.890 --> 00:55:21.310
This was explained to the PUC in 2018
00:55:21.310 --> 00:55:25.330
how the smart grid data must
be available in the same ways
00:55:25.330 --> 00:55:29.560
and at the same times,
that the IOUs access the data
00:55:29.560 --> 00:55:32.800
or the laws being broken every day,
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.890
year after year, clear as day.
00:55:35.890 --> 00:55:38.170
Our organization
thought you're about the
00:55:38.170 --> 00:55:39.480
plenty power plant.
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.240
Bill powers in 2012,
explained 10 reasons
00:55:43.240 --> 00:55:46.110
why Southern California
Edison did not give
00:55:46.110 --> 00:55:49.490
clean energy a chance
when Edison chose to
00:55:49.490 --> 00:55:54.340
contract with NRG and
push plenty power plant
00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:56.160
onto our beach.
00:55:56.160 --> 00:55:58.670
We spoke when you came
to Oxnard in 2019 about
00:55:58.670 --> 00:56:02.523
removing barriers to clean
distributed energy resources.
00:56:03.700 --> 00:56:06.550
We've called for transmission access
00:56:06.550 --> 00:56:08.620
charge reform for years.
00:56:08.620 --> 00:56:11.070
We've advocated against
the fossil fuel agenda
00:56:11.070 --> 00:56:12.890
from Southern California, Edison
00:56:12.890 --> 00:56:16.070
and barriers to local solar for years.
00:56:16.070 --> 00:56:19.860
Do not let the IOUs continue
to get away with illegal,
00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:22.460
monopolistic and polluting activity
00:56:22.460 --> 00:56:24.780
against the public interest.
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:25.910
Make them share the data,
00:56:25.910 --> 00:56:29.893
that the CCAs are legally
entitled to thank you.
00:56:33.220 --> 00:56:36.343
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
00:56:38.860 --> 00:56:41.480
Our next caller
is Sheila Gunn Cushman.
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:42.330
You may go ahead.
00:56:43.700 --> 00:56:45.860
I think I'm unmuted yes?
00:56:45.860 --> 00:56:48.380
Yes you're fine,
we hear you fine.
00:56:48.380 --> 00:56:50.790
Okay, I'm
Sheila Gunn Cushman
00:56:50.790 --> 00:56:54.970
and I represent Electricity Equals Life.
00:56:54.970 --> 00:56:58.870
We're an ad hoc group of
elders and folks with disabilities.
00:56:58.870 --> 00:57:00.590
I live in East Oakland.
00:57:00.590 --> 00:57:02.980
I live in a black and Brown neighborhood
00:57:03.950 --> 00:57:08.240
and I am a renter and I
am on the care program
00:57:08.240 --> 00:57:12.050
and I am on the Medical
Baseline Program.
00:57:12.050 --> 00:57:13.573
I'm also on section eight.
00:57:15.017 --> 00:57:17.310
Most of my power comes from gas.
00:57:17.310 --> 00:57:20.990
My stove, my heater, my water heater.
00:57:20.990 --> 00:57:24.820
I would love to have solar on my duplex,
00:57:24.820 --> 00:57:28.720
but that's up to my landlord
and the powers to be.
00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:33.720
I stand in support of all that
has been said here so far
00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:37.563
from folks that are in support
of Reclaim Our Power Points
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:45.537
and I don't know whether
removing items six is a
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.490
Brown Act problem
but I would think it is,
00:57:50.490 --> 00:57:52.563
I'm no lawyer I'll leave that to them,
00:57:53.750 --> 00:57:57.480
but I have only heard elders
and people with disabilities
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:58.860
mentioned by one speaker,
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:01.060
thank you, I'm sorry I
didn't get your name.
00:58:02.690 --> 00:58:06.280
And it is elders and
people with disabilities
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.300
who get hit hardest when fires happen,
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:11.380
when evacuations occur,
00:58:11.380 --> 00:58:13.830
when they have to be moved to shelters,
00:58:13.830 --> 00:58:16.020
it's not easy for us.
00:58:16.020 --> 00:58:18.650
A lot of us aren't as mobile as others.
00:58:18.650 --> 00:58:22.190
I have multiple disabilities,
but I'm more mobile than many
00:58:22.190 --> 00:58:24.240
but anyone with a CPAP machine,
00:58:24.240 --> 00:58:26.250
anyone who needs to charge a wheelchair,
00:58:26.250 --> 00:58:29.450
anyone who needs to charge a scooter,
00:58:29.450 --> 00:58:34.450
any sort of other breathing
equipment is in deep danger.
00:58:35.180 --> 00:58:40.180
And I see us as hostages
and that's a lot of hostages
00:58:41.060 --> 00:58:44.020
to IOUs who are not helping us.
00:58:44.020 --> 00:58:46.450
Clean PG&E's never been clean.
00:58:46.450 --> 00:58:50.870
Affordable not, safe, blowups fires,
00:58:50.870 --> 00:58:52.890
that doesn't sound safe to me.
00:58:52.890 --> 00:58:55.750
I think you'd better
reconsider as soon as possible
00:58:55.750 --> 00:58:58.320
and when you look up items six again,
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.420
I would like you to pull
the Public Comments
00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:01.377
from this section.
00:59:01.377 --> 00:59:03.160
(bell ringing)
00:59:03.160 --> 00:59:05.891
So that you can see that we are not
00:59:05.891 --> 00:59:09.683
in favor of PG&E getting
any help from you, thank you.
00:59:11.470 --> 00:59:14.663
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
00:59:16.150 --> 00:59:19.190
Our next caller
is Quanah Brightman.
00:59:19.190 --> 00:59:20.040
You may go ahead.
00:59:20.981 --> 00:59:22.970
(speaking
in foreign language)
00:59:22.970 --> 00:59:24.340
Good morning my relatives.
00:59:24.340 --> 00:59:26.120
My name is Quanah Parker Brightman.
00:59:26.120 --> 00:59:29.810
I'm executive director of
United Native Americans.
00:59:29.810 --> 00:59:33.060
And we as the United
Native Americans demand
00:59:33.060 --> 00:59:36.450
that the California Public
Utilities Commission revoke
00:59:36.450 --> 00:59:40.020
PG&E's permit to operate
after the countless acts
00:59:40.020 --> 00:59:44.210
of negligence and incompetence by PG&E.
00:59:44.210 --> 00:59:49.210
PG&E is an insidious corporation
and should be shut down.
00:59:49.630 --> 00:59:54.630
We should not allow them to
continue to with their failures
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:58.800
and in particularly with
their equipment that they
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:03.670
allowed to go and, you know,
basically they don't wanna
01:00:03.670 --> 01:00:04.660
revamp these things.
01:00:04.660 --> 01:00:05.990
They don't replace these things.
01:00:05.990 --> 01:00:10.990
They go until their failure
and that's not promoting safety.
01:00:11.560 --> 01:00:13.760
That's not promoting
safety for our community.
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:18.210
And we've seen hundreds
of people become victims
01:00:18.210 --> 01:00:21.380
literally murdered losing
their homes, losing their pets,
01:00:21.380 --> 01:00:25.070
losing their loved ones to PG&Es, gross
01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:27.190
and criminal negligence.
01:00:27.190 --> 01:00:32.190
I demand, that this
criminal behavior end today
01:00:32.350 --> 01:00:35.650
and there should be no
more bailouts for PG&E.
01:00:35.650 --> 01:00:38.370
And please restore item six,
01:00:38.370 --> 01:00:43.370
so that we can have a fair and
just meeting moving forward.
01:00:44.810 --> 01:00:46.478
And with that, thank you.
01:00:46.478 --> 01:00:48.480
(speaking in foreign language)
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:52.443
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:00:55.080 --> 01:00:57.747
Our next
caller is Pete Melody.
01:00:57.747 --> 01:00:58.683
You may go ahead.
01:01:00.820 --> 01:01:01.840
Good morning Commissioners.
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:03.550
My name is Pete Wiley .
01:01:03.550 --> 01:01:05.970
I live in Oakland and I am a part
01:01:05.970 --> 01:01:09.093
of the Reclaim Our Power
Utility justice campaign.
01:01:10.700 --> 01:01:13.010
I gotta say last night was astonished.
01:01:13.010 --> 01:01:15.700
When we found out
that you all had pulled
01:01:17.060 --> 01:01:21.140
your vote on the Safety
Certificate off of today's agenda,
01:01:21.140 --> 01:01:23.830
I align myself with all the
folks who have called out
01:01:25.748 --> 01:01:28.840
the really callousness
of that move put down,
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:33.670
but I wanna speak to
why that Safety Certificate
01:01:33.670 --> 01:01:38.670
should be canceled and
PG&E should be put into the
01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:41.940
accountability process
as high as you can go.
01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:46.390
It is now as president
Batjer eloquently said the
01:01:46.390 --> 01:01:50.540
now fire season, we had a PSPS already.
01:01:50.540 --> 01:01:53.500
We are already witnessing the drought
01:01:53.500 --> 01:01:55.670
and knowing that fire is coming
01:01:55.670 --> 01:02:00.130
and your actions literally cost lives.
01:02:00.130 --> 01:02:04.940
Think about last year in May
PG&E agreed to do more work
01:02:04.940 --> 01:02:08.630
around the tree trimming
and vegetation management.
01:02:08.630 --> 01:02:12.490
They didn't start conversations
around that until January.
01:02:12.490 --> 01:02:15.310
What happened in
between them, the Zogg fire,
01:02:15.310 --> 01:02:20.164
four people died, at
least six powers shut off,
01:02:20.164 --> 01:02:23.290
dozens of people,
hundreds of people stranded
01:02:23.290 --> 01:02:25.330
left to navigate for
themselves without the
01:02:25.330 --> 01:02:27.870
appropriate warning
equipment to take care
01:02:27.870 --> 01:02:31.010
of people with disabilities
and elderly people.
01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:35.580
Your process to slow down,
evade move behind closed doors,
01:02:35.580 --> 01:02:40.070
create opaque loopholes to not
hold this company accountable
01:02:40.070 --> 01:02:44.640
and move us toward a
just, fair, safe energy system.
01:02:44.640 --> 01:02:46.950
It doesn't just cost time
01:02:46.950 --> 01:02:51.370
and tough comments to sit
through a public meetings,
01:02:51.370 --> 01:02:53.450
it costs lives.
01:02:53.450 --> 01:02:54.560
Let's play it out.
01:02:54.560 --> 01:02:57.080
You don't reject a certificate today.
01:02:57.080 --> 01:03:02.080
Another year passes they are
allowed to burn people down.
01:03:02.210 --> 01:03:05.310
Dozens of people die
because they're burned.
01:03:05.310 --> 01:03:07.940
You move them to step one
of the accountability process
01:03:07.940 --> 01:03:11.850
today, six months after
that the actions that got them
01:03:11.850 --> 01:03:14.870
there, a tree trimming
violation which is really nothing
01:03:14.870 --> 01:03:18.400
compared to all
the-- (bell ringing)
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.300
We cannot wait any longer.
01:03:20.300 --> 01:03:21.690
What are you waiting for?
01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:24.730
It is time now to hold PG&E accountable,
01:03:24.730 --> 01:03:26.950
do your jobs please, thank you.
01:03:30.330 --> 01:03:33.013
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
01:03:35.130 --> 01:03:38.170
Our next
caller is Kevin Collins.
01:03:38.170 --> 01:03:39.020
You may go ahead.
01:03:40.060 --> 01:03:44.810
Hello, yes my name
is Kevin Collins in 2018,
01:03:44.810 --> 01:03:48.180
I filed them adjudicatory
complaint against PG&E
01:03:48.180 --> 01:03:52.890
with the Public Utilities
Commission requesting as relief,
01:03:52.890 --> 01:03:55.853
the updating of general order 95.
01:03:56.860 --> 01:04:00.980
I wanna point out that general order 95
01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:05.980
and general order 174, which is the code
01:04:06.160 --> 01:04:11.160
for utility substations are
both extraordinarily outdated.
01:04:11.980 --> 01:04:15.940
The code for substations has
no standards in it whatsoever.
01:04:15.940 --> 01:04:20.940
For other than to say it needs
a fence around the substation
01:04:21.556 --> 01:04:24.640
and perhaps it should
have a capacitor bank
01:04:24.640 --> 01:04:26.610
and other equipment that's obviously
01:04:26.610 --> 01:04:28.730
included in a substation.
01:04:28.730 --> 01:04:33.010
As far as general order 95
goes, it's amazingly out of date.
01:04:33.010 --> 01:04:35.340
When I read it, I'm astounded.
01:04:35.340 --> 01:04:38.220
It's still legal to use number eight
01:04:38.220 --> 01:04:43.220
or eight gauge wire as a
primary overhead conductor.
01:04:43.630 --> 01:04:48.320
The Commission received report in 2017,
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.690
where they were informed
by Liberty Consulting
01:04:50.690 --> 01:04:55.690
that PG&E had in service
over 20,000 miles of number six
01:04:57.890 --> 01:05:00.460
single strand copper wire.
01:05:00.460 --> 01:05:05.460
This wire is often on
spans of over 175 feet.
01:05:06.210 --> 01:05:08.720
At that length, It
is incredibly fragile.
01:05:08.720 --> 01:05:13.623
It's obviously very subject to
impact and arching problems.
01:05:14.980 --> 01:05:17.910
These general orders
are construction codes.
01:05:17.910 --> 01:05:20.210
The whole issue of
whether there should be
01:05:20.210 --> 01:05:22.200
a wildfire safety division,
01:05:22.200 --> 01:05:24.510
a wildfire for a safety advisory board,
01:05:24.510 --> 01:05:29.090
all of this would have been unnecessary,
01:05:29.090 --> 01:05:32.050
had the Commission
updated its own standards
01:05:32.050 --> 01:05:35.800
for overhead electrical circuits.
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:40.800
In 2018, I found a copy of
general order 95 that included
01:05:41.730 --> 01:05:45.070
an image of how to run Telegraph wire.
01:05:45.070 --> 01:05:46.704
It had a picture of a Telegraph pole.
01:05:46.704 --> 01:05:47.537
(bell ringing)
01:05:47.537 --> 01:05:50.500
Some staff are apparently
noticed and this was cleaned out
01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:53.410
of the current version
of general order 95.
01:05:53.410 --> 01:05:55.280
But my main point is,
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.140
that if the Commission wants to have
01:05:57.140 --> 01:05:58.560
safe electrical circuits,
01:05:58.560 --> 01:06:01.940
it needs to require it
by construction code.
01:06:01.940 --> 01:06:05.240
There is no clearer, more direct method
01:06:05.240 --> 01:06:10.240
of insisting on the safety
and design of utility surrogates.
01:06:11.270 --> 01:06:13.490
There are no standards for fuses.
01:06:13.490 --> 01:06:17.283
Fuses are not even
mentioned in general order 95.
01:06:17.283 --> 01:06:19.400
This is amazing.
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:20.880
I hope everybody that understands
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.530
why these fires are igniting,
can hear what I have to say.
01:06:24.530 --> 01:06:26.450
Thank you very much.
01:06:26.450 --> 01:06:31.367
Thank you, Mr. Collin
operator the next caller please.
01:06:31.367 --> 01:06:33.187
Didn't I do a good job there?
01:06:33.187 --> 01:06:34.977
Our next
caller is Courtney Corda.
01:06:34.977 --> 01:06:36.083
You may go ahead.
01:06:37.070 --> 01:06:38.629
Hi, I'm Courtney Corda.
01:06:38.629 --> 01:06:41.560
Together my husband
and I have been running
01:06:41.560 --> 01:06:44.650
a small business in Danville since 2007.
01:06:44.650 --> 01:06:46.420
He's a Navy veteran.
01:06:46.420 --> 01:06:48.620
We install rooftop, solar thermal
01:06:48.620 --> 01:06:50.220
and solar electric systems
01:06:50.220 --> 01:06:52.500
and recently we've
started installing a lot
01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:55.460
of solar paired backup
batteries to help customers
01:06:55.460 --> 01:06:57.420
all over Contra Costa County,
01:06:57.420 --> 01:07:00.550
who've experienced many power outages.
01:07:00.550 --> 01:07:04.100
I'm urging the Commission to
make small, careful and gradual
01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:07.240
changes to net metering, if any.
01:07:07.240 --> 01:07:08.800
Our business is healthy now.
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.510
We have fewer than 20
employees, but we're growing.
01:07:11.510 --> 01:07:13.700
We've been able to hire
workers who were laid off,
01:07:13.700 --> 01:07:15.810
from other industries and retrain them
01:07:15.810 --> 01:07:17.200
during this pandemic.
01:07:17.200 --> 01:07:19.870
We pay a living wage,
we offer health care.
01:07:19.870 --> 01:07:22.310
We're paying our
workers, to take classes
01:07:22.310 --> 01:07:24.970
in the States Electrician
Trainee Program.
01:07:24.970 --> 01:07:26.290
Thanks to net metering,
01:07:26.290 --> 01:07:28.700
rooftop solar has been very successful.
01:07:28.700 --> 01:07:31.780
Now we are seeing even
more cautious homeowners
01:07:31.780 --> 01:07:34.650
see Rooftop Solar
as a way that they too,
01:07:34.650 --> 01:07:36.900
can help the state keep our air clean
01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:39.410
and the state reach
its clean energy goals.
01:07:39.410 --> 01:07:42.230
If consumers see big
policy and rate changes,
01:07:42.230 --> 01:07:43.540
that will scare them away.
01:07:43.540 --> 01:07:47.530
Frankly I'm terrified that
my small business would not
01:07:47.530 --> 01:07:50.600
survive any kind of dramatic
change to net metering.
01:07:50.600 --> 01:07:53.470
I'm worried the whole
industry could collapse.
01:07:53.470 --> 01:07:56.860
And I'm also wondering why
we can keep what's working
01:07:56.860 --> 01:08:00.510
and come up with ways to
gradually adjust net-metering
01:08:00.510 --> 01:08:03.070
while we start up
programs that give people
01:08:03.070 --> 01:08:05.170
an incentive to install batteries
01:08:05.170 --> 01:08:07.730
and other things that
can help our communities
01:08:07.730 --> 01:08:11.280
be more resilient, not
reducing or making big changes
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.230
to a program that has brought, you know
01:08:13.230 --> 01:08:14.820
really a successful era,
01:08:14.820 --> 01:08:17.200
where regular people
are investing millions
01:08:17.200 --> 01:08:18.480
of their own dollars,
01:08:18.480 --> 01:08:22.540
in equipment that provides
clean energy to our state.
01:08:22.540 --> 01:08:25.320
We're helping people with
smaller homes go solar.
01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:27.490
We're helping senior citizens go solar
01:08:27.490 --> 01:08:29.290
and I don't wanna see that,
01:08:29.290 --> 01:08:32.430
so I really hope that the
Commission will be very careful,
01:08:32.430 --> 01:08:36.450
in considering changes to a
program that has been successful
01:08:36.450 --> 01:08:39.750
and look for creative
ways to help us together
01:08:39.750 --> 01:08:42.140
meet the challenges for a resilient grid
01:08:42.140 --> 01:08:44.993
going into the next
few years, thank you.
01:08:48.190 --> 01:08:51.193
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:57.140
Our next
caller is Edith Castorena,
01:08:57.140 --> 01:08:59.410
with the Sunrise Movement, the Bay area.
01:08:59.410 --> 01:09:00.260
You may go ahead.
01:09:01.876 --> 01:09:02.830
Good morning Commissioners.
01:09:02.830 --> 01:09:04.100
My name is Edith Castorena
01:09:04.100 --> 01:09:05.930
and I'm a member of
Sunrise Movement, Bay area.
01:09:05.930 --> 01:09:07.830
I'm calling from the MCT territories
01:09:07.830 --> 01:09:09.360
of the rema to shaloni.
01:09:09.360 --> 01:09:11.500
I fully support the Reclaim
Our Power campaign
01:09:11.500 --> 01:09:13.260
and their efforts to
change our energy system
01:09:13.260 --> 01:09:16.320
to meet community needs,
access to reliable, affordable
01:09:16.320 --> 01:09:18.350
and clean utilities is a human right
01:09:18.350 --> 01:09:20.700
and the CPUC should
stand for all Californians
01:09:20.700 --> 01:09:23.080
not just large corporations like PG&E.
01:09:23.080 --> 01:09:25.350
Like so many countless
others have stated this morning
01:09:25.350 --> 01:09:27.290
I'm frustrated and disappointed
01:09:27.290 --> 01:09:30.300
that the CPUC removed the
vote on PG new Safety Certificate
01:09:30.300 --> 01:09:32.570
from this meeting's
agenda at the last minute.
01:09:32.570 --> 01:09:35.210
The public who is most
effected by PG&E shortcomings
01:09:35.210 --> 01:09:37.230
and harm should have their voices heard
01:09:37.230 --> 01:09:38.680
around the license to burn.
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:40.080
We will not allow them to get away
01:09:40.080 --> 01:09:43.550
with causing more fires,
shut offs and smoke.
01:09:43.550 --> 01:09:46.250
I and my community members
demand you vote today,
01:09:46.250 --> 01:09:48.360
to reject PG&E's license to burn,
01:09:48.360 --> 01:09:50.920
or at the next possible
moment because this is urgent.
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:51.960
Fire season is coming.
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.170
We are organizing as fast
as we can, but we are scared.
01:09:55.170 --> 01:09:58.230
The CPUC now has the authority
to hold PG&E accountable,
01:09:58.230 --> 01:09:59.510
so please use it.
01:09:59.510 --> 01:10:02.190
Since the plan of reorganization
was adopted on June, 30th,
01:10:02.190 --> 01:10:04.770
PG&E has caused the Zogg
fire in Northern California.
01:10:04.770 --> 01:10:07.750
Violated a court order by
lying about which trees to trim
01:10:07.750 --> 01:10:09.730
and shutting off power for
those who need it to live.
01:10:09.730 --> 01:10:11.780
Like someone said
earlier, such as our elders
01:10:11.780 --> 01:10:13.580
and our loved ones with disabilities.
01:10:13.580 --> 01:10:15.880
PG&E cannot keep raising
our rates while they fail to
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:17.390
properly steward our resources
01:10:17.390 --> 01:10:19.210
and cause fires across the state.
01:10:19.210 --> 01:10:21.850
We demand that you reject
PG&Es Safety Certificate
01:10:21.850 --> 01:10:24.860
move PG&E into step
three or further up the
01:10:24.860 --> 01:10:27.510
enhanced oversight and
enforcement process and select
01:10:27.510 --> 01:10:30.740
the third party monitor to
hold the utility accountable.
01:10:30.740 --> 01:10:32.320
We also demand that
you make this enhanced
01:10:32.320 --> 01:10:34.630
oversight and enforcement process public
01:10:34.630 --> 01:10:35.840
and transparent by moving it
01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:37.970
to an official CPUC proceeding.
01:10:37.970 --> 01:10:40.470
Lastly, we demand that
the PG&E shareholders
01:10:40.470 --> 01:10:42.920
not the people pay for
the company's failures.
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:44.670
Thank you so much, I yield my time.
01:10:47.050 --> 01:10:49.813
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:53.300
Our next
caller is Ann Harvey.
01:10:53.300 --> 01:10:54.150
You may go ahead.
01:10:56.130 --> 01:10:58.960
Hi I'm calling from Oakland.
01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:01.220
Utilities are a basic necessity
01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:04.750
for life, health and
participation in our society.
01:11:04.750 --> 01:11:07.700
They should be provided
optimally by public agencies
01:11:07.700 --> 01:11:12.450
or short of that by contracted
and regulated non-profits.
01:11:12.450 --> 01:11:17.010
Instead we have this
private monopoly that reaps
01:11:17.010 --> 01:11:19.150
essentially guaranteed profits,
01:11:19.150 --> 01:11:21.080
but is shielded from financial loss
01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:24.300
and dissolution even
due to criminal activity
01:11:24.300 --> 01:11:27.820
by the CPUC and the state
both bending over backwards
01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:29.853
for it, and this is not right.
01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.220
I am really dismayed
that you pulled item six
01:11:34.220 --> 01:11:36.650
despite being under
court order as a felon
01:11:36.650 --> 01:11:40.590
for killing people by criminally
causing a pipeline exposure
01:11:40.590 --> 01:11:42.380
and multiple wildfires.
01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:46.080
PG&E continues to
divert wildfire safety funds
01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:48.460
to profits and exorbitant compensation
01:11:48.460 --> 01:11:50.103
for culpable executives.
01:11:51.130 --> 01:11:55.140
PG&E Safety Certificate
must be rejected.
01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:57.670
PG&E must be moved
to at least step three
01:11:57.670 --> 01:11:59.630
of the enforcement process.
01:11:59.630 --> 01:12:02.530
A third party monitor,
must be selected to
01:12:02.530 --> 01:12:06.360
hold it accountable and you
must make the enhanced oversight
01:12:06.360 --> 01:12:09.180
and enforcement process
public and transparent
01:12:09.180 --> 01:12:11.610
the opposite of what
you're trying to do.
01:12:11.610 --> 01:12:15.400
You also must force PG&E
shareholders and executives
01:12:15.400 --> 01:12:18.760
not rate payers to pay
for the company's failures.
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:19.923
Thank you very much.
01:12:22.567 --> 01:12:25.487
Thank you very much,
operator the next caller please.
01:12:27.368 --> 01:12:29.320
Our next
caller is Gabriel Gardner.
01:12:29.320 --> 01:12:30.860
You may go ahead.
01:12:30.860 --> 01:12:33.023
Hello, Can you hear me?
01:12:34.310 --> 01:12:35.876
Yes, we can please go ahead.
01:12:35.876 --> 01:12:38.967
So I'm calling to echo, yes
many of the earlier points
01:12:38.967 --> 01:12:42.263
very disappointed that
item six was removed,
01:12:43.160 --> 01:12:46.570
you know, it's vital that
we hold PG&E accountable
01:12:46.570 --> 01:12:51.570
and I think item 36 needs
to be more aggressive
01:12:53.040 --> 01:12:56.940
and we really need to
move PG&E forward to,
01:12:56.940 --> 01:13:00.033
step three of the hands
over sane person process,
01:13:01.150 --> 01:13:04.365
due to failure to prioritize
highest risk power lines
01:13:04.365 --> 01:13:08.640
in carrying out vegetation maintenance,
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:13.640
consistently PG&E has
failed to protect the public.
01:13:15.391 --> 01:13:18.397
We can look at the Zogg
fire in Northern California
01:13:18.397 --> 01:13:21.060
and if you go there,
01:13:21.060 --> 01:13:22.950
you know it's quite a
distance from San Francisco
01:13:22.950 --> 01:13:24.950
and the Bay area where I'm from,
01:13:24.950 --> 01:13:27.430
but I had a chance to visit
01:13:27.430 --> 01:13:30.120
and it's just devastating
the amount of damage
01:13:30.120 --> 01:13:35.120
to the environment and obviously
to the four people who died
01:13:35.170 --> 01:13:37.503
and over 200 structures
that were burned,
01:13:39.391 --> 01:13:42.200
and you know they've already violated
01:13:42.200 --> 01:13:45.200
orders and applied repeatedly
01:13:45.200 --> 01:13:49.483
both in this case and
in the past and now,
01:13:50.410 --> 01:13:52.690
you know their work against
01:13:52.690 --> 01:13:55.640
net-metering of other people
mentioned also puts us at risk
01:13:56.844 --> 01:13:58.890
because it raises our
rates and makes us unable
01:13:58.890 --> 01:14:01.113
to still depend on
these transmission lines,
01:14:01.983 --> 01:14:04.130
when we need to move away from PG&E.
01:14:05.278 --> 01:14:08.160
So please, put in step three
01:14:08.160 --> 01:14:10.840
and make the enhanced oversight
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:13.760
and enforcement process
public and transparent
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.663
in the making an official
CPUC proceeding.
01:14:17.740 --> 01:14:19.690
And we need to force PG&E shareholders,
01:14:19.690 --> 01:14:21.440
not the people to pay for the company's
01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:22.883
failures for too long.
01:14:23.810 --> 01:14:26.450
PG&E can capitalize on these costs
01:14:26.450 --> 01:14:28.410
and pass them under rate payers,
01:14:28.410 --> 01:14:31.250
while it shortchanges
any kinds of expenses
01:14:31.250 --> 01:14:33.693
because you know,
that's just a cost to them.
01:14:35.430 --> 01:14:37.803
Yeah, thank you have good day.
01:14:39.563 --> 01:14:42.183
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:14:44.260 --> 01:14:46.260
Next caller
is Carolyn Chen.
01:14:46.260 --> 01:14:47.110
You may go ahead.
01:14:48.830 --> 01:14:50.650
Hi, this is Carolyn Chen
01:14:50.650 --> 01:14:53.250
with the Asian Pacific
Environmental Network.
01:14:53.250 --> 01:14:57.080
I'm calling in support for the
Reclaim Our Power campaign,
01:14:57.080 --> 01:15:00.590
to transform our energy system,
to meet community needs.
01:15:00.590 --> 01:15:02.620
We really deserve an energy system
01:15:02.620 --> 01:15:04.780
that allows us all to thrive.
01:15:04.780 --> 01:15:06.080
One that is affordable,
01:15:06.080 --> 01:15:09.040
safe community and worker controlled.
01:15:09.040 --> 01:15:10.600
One that puts those who are elderly
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:12.260
and disabled at the center.
01:15:12.260 --> 01:15:13.720
That's actually what we have deserved,
01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:16.470
not one that constantly
puts us in danger
01:15:16.470 --> 01:15:19.160
while lining the
pockets of shareholders.
01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:21.010
And I know so many of us have
01:15:21.010 --> 01:15:23.800
already said some things
similar that it may start to be
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:25.430
I don't know, like
really difficult to truly
01:15:25.430 --> 01:15:30.430
grasp with meaning, but
it is just so unconscionable
01:15:30.740 --> 01:15:33.450
to allow an entity that
continues to harm us
01:15:33.450 --> 01:15:35.250
and profit from it to operate.
01:15:35.250 --> 01:15:39.140
And we really are calling on
you to hold them accountable.
01:15:39.140 --> 01:15:41.080
But instead as so many have said before,
01:15:41.080 --> 01:15:44.680
today you've refused to vote
on PG&E Safety Certificate.
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.410
You've removed that item from
the agenda at the last minute.
01:15:48.410 --> 01:15:50.810
And this entire process has just been
01:15:50.810 --> 01:15:53.150
so flawed and inaccessible,
01:15:53.150 --> 01:15:55.000
and unless you do the right thing,
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:58.384
that will just allow PG&E to
get away with even more fires,
01:15:58.384 --> 01:16:00.623
even more shut off and more smoke.
01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:03.500
So I'm joining the speakers before me
01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:05.210
who has laid out in detail
01:16:05.210 --> 01:16:08.430
why PG&E does not
deserve the Safety Certificate
01:16:08.430 --> 01:16:10.860
and the growing movement
of people who are demanding
01:16:10.860 --> 01:16:13.600
that you hold them
accountable, for causing fires
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:15.070
and killing people.
01:16:15.070 --> 01:16:17.160
Enough harm has been done,
01:16:17.160 --> 01:16:19.060
and we are just really calling on you
01:16:19.060 --> 01:16:21.440
to actually live up
to your responsibility
01:16:21.440 --> 01:16:24.720
and vote today to reject
their Safety Certificate,
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:26.870
which at this point as
others have also called it
01:16:26.870 --> 01:16:28.790
is pretty much a license to burn
01:16:28.790 --> 01:16:31.330
and really make the process transparent
01:16:31.330 --> 01:16:34.400
so that people can actually participate
01:16:34.400 --> 01:16:37.500
and that we can move
toward the energy system
01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:39.220
that we really truly deserve,
01:16:39.220 --> 01:16:41.930
because our lives
depend on it at this point.
01:16:41.930 --> 01:16:42.963
Thank you so much.
01:16:45.100 --> 01:16:48.067
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:16:52.021 --> 01:16:54.240
And our next
caller is from Joan Taylor.
01:16:54.240 --> 01:16:55.090
You may go ahead.
01:16:56.160 --> 01:16:58.513
Good morning
president, Commissioners.
01:16:59.380 --> 01:17:01.900
I am a rate payer in
Southern California,
01:17:01.900 --> 01:17:03.440
I'm concerned about wildfire.
01:17:03.440 --> 01:17:06.070
I have grown children in
Southern and Northern California
01:17:06.070 --> 01:17:08.300
in high fires hazard areas.
01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:12.420
I concur with earlier
comments regarding PG&E
01:17:12.420 --> 01:17:17.060
regarding the equitable
sharing of smart meter data
01:17:17.060 --> 01:17:19.110
as required by law.
01:17:19.110 --> 01:17:21.760
Also, I'd like to point
out it was astounding
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:25.890
that OhmConnect provided one gigawatt,
01:17:25.890 --> 01:17:28.350
of valuable demand response
01:17:28.350 --> 01:17:31.120
and was actually penalized for this.
01:17:31.120 --> 01:17:34.300
I urge the Commission to demand Cal ISO
01:17:34.300 --> 01:17:37.190
fix it's flawed baseline measure,
01:17:37.190 --> 01:17:39.070
and do so before summer
01:17:39.070 --> 01:17:41.333
to allow this important tool to be used.
01:17:42.210 --> 01:17:43.730
Thank you very much.
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:48.423
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:17:52.258 --> 01:17:54.080
Our next
caller is Lane Sherman.
01:17:54.080 --> 01:17:55.043
You may go ahead.
01:17:56.400 --> 01:17:58.410
Good morning, my
name is Lane Sherman.
01:17:58.410 --> 01:18:02.090
I'm the executive director of
the San Diego Energy District.
01:18:02.090 --> 01:18:07.090
I would like to Commissioners
ask that you reflect deeply
01:18:07.790 --> 01:18:10.290
on the testimony that
you've heard today.
01:18:10.290 --> 01:18:14.360
It is very troubling
what you are hearing.
01:18:14.360 --> 01:18:19.030
You are hearing the
voices of Californians,
01:18:19.030 --> 01:18:22.800
who are asking for fundamental change.
01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:27.170
Fundamental change is
possible, but it is only possible
01:18:27.170 --> 01:18:30.540
if you act and you must act in a way
01:18:30.540 --> 01:18:33.150
that completely restructures,
01:18:33.150 --> 01:18:38.150
the investor owned utility
monopoly system of California.
01:18:38.350 --> 01:18:43.350
Which has become a
money laundering operation.
01:18:43.980 --> 01:18:48.140
It is a money laundering
operation that is taking money
01:18:48.140 --> 01:18:53.140
from everyday Californians
and putting it into the pockets
01:18:54.590 --> 01:18:57.103
of executives and shareholders.
01:18:58.242 --> 01:19:03.242
This is an all hands on
deck emergency in California.
01:19:05.350 --> 01:19:09.030
For example, San Diego gas and electric
01:19:09.030 --> 01:19:14.030
in item number 34 is
asking you to authorize the
01:19:16.320 --> 01:19:21.320
placement of chargers at rate
payer expense for their profit
01:19:21.550 --> 01:19:25.140
that is on its face at a front.
01:19:25.140 --> 01:19:29.780
And what has happened with
all the utilities with respect to
01:19:29.780 --> 01:19:33.462
lacks maintenance over
the last 20 or 30 years
01:19:33.462 --> 01:19:35.780
is also at affront.
01:19:35.780 --> 01:19:40.780
We need to restructure our
utility system from top to bottom
01:19:41.020 --> 01:19:45.720
and we need to have
independently elected Commission
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:48.370
at the state level, not appointed
01:19:48.370 --> 01:19:53.370
elected at the state level to
oversee one and only one thing
01:19:53.820 --> 01:19:57.927
which is the electric system
of California, thank you.
01:20:00.432 --> 01:20:04.150
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:20:04.150 --> 01:20:05.610
(Batjer clearing throat)
01:20:05.610 --> 01:20:07.790
Our next
caller is Jeff Matthias.
01:20:07.790 --> 01:20:08.823
You may go ahead.
01:20:10.160 --> 01:20:11.580
Yes, my name
is Jeff Matthias.
01:20:11.580 --> 01:20:14.530
I'm the owner of Synergy
Solar up here in Sonoma County
01:20:14.530 --> 01:20:17.710
and as you know, we've been
kind of devastated by the fires.
01:20:17.710 --> 01:20:20.060
The one common thing I
keep hearing from everybody
01:20:20.060 --> 01:20:23.060
that's calling is holding
PG&E accountable.
01:20:23.060 --> 01:20:24.530
I'm here in support of NEM three
01:20:24.530 --> 01:20:26.140
and stand behind a lot of the ideas
01:20:26.140 --> 01:20:28.320
that were brought up
by so many before me
01:20:28.320 --> 01:20:31.040
and the thoughts that why we would,
01:20:31.040 --> 01:20:33.690
incent a company like PG&E
01:20:33.690 --> 01:20:35.610
to help dismantle the solar industry
01:20:35.610 --> 01:20:37.270
through some of the
changes they're looking at
01:20:37.270 --> 01:20:39.010
through NEM three.
01:20:39.010 --> 01:20:42.350
As opposed to asking PG&E to help incent
01:20:42.350 --> 01:20:44.970
distributed generation
which minimizes transmission
01:20:44.970 --> 01:20:48.030
and distribution that
are causing these fires.
01:20:48.030 --> 01:20:50.900
Maximizes resiliency
through the adding a storage
01:20:50.900 --> 01:20:54.360
and solar that allows
power to be used locally
01:20:54.360 --> 01:20:56.130
and promotes a continued job market.
01:20:56.130 --> 01:20:57.270
That's one of the fastest growing
01:20:57.270 --> 01:21:00.223
in the state of California,
let alone the United States.
01:21:01.130 --> 01:21:03.080
Furthermore, I just think
some of these changes
01:21:03.080 --> 01:21:05.840
we've already seen the
impact if we move too fast
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.050
through deCommissioning
net energy metering,
01:21:08.050 --> 01:21:10.780
we've seen with the results in Nevada,
01:21:10.780 --> 01:21:14.430
where an industry collapsed
four or five years back
01:21:14.430 --> 01:21:15.630
and is just now trying to
01:21:15.630 --> 01:21:17.960
scratch its way back into existence.
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.530
So I encourage the Commissioners,
thank you for your time
01:21:20.530 --> 01:21:22.390
and I encourage you
to please think about this
01:21:22.390 --> 01:21:25.770
as you address the net energy
metering thought process,
01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:28.280
why we would incent PG&E
01:21:28.280 --> 01:21:30.470
to continue operating the centralized
01:21:30.470 --> 01:21:33.150
monolithic draconian method,
01:21:33.150 --> 01:21:34.840
as opposed to moving towards a more
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:39.390
decentralized resilient method
that supports this industry.
01:21:39.390 --> 01:21:40.880
Thank you very much.
01:21:41.830 --> 01:21:43.590
Thank you for your call.
01:21:43.590 --> 01:21:45.293
Operator, the next caller please.
01:21:46.690 --> 01:21:48.740
Our next
caller is Jessica Tovar.
01:21:48.740 --> 01:21:49.590
You may go ahead.
01:21:52.570 --> 01:21:54.600
Hi, this
is Jessica Tovar.
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:58.480
I'm the coordinator of East
Bay Clean Power Alliance.
01:21:58.480 --> 01:22:02.290
And I am calling in concern about
01:22:02.290 --> 01:22:04.870
PG&E's licensed to kill, you know
01:22:04.870 --> 01:22:09.000
their track record really
reflects that of a serial killer
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.050
and we really need
to put a stop to that.
01:22:12.050 --> 01:22:15.075
I really need action from the CPUC
01:22:15.075 --> 01:22:20.075
against PG&E's license to
burn and enhanced the oversight
01:22:22.030 --> 01:22:24.373
and enforcement public process,
01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:28.450
by making it transparent
and moving it to an official
01:22:28.450 --> 01:22:32.780
CPUC proceeding and
force PG&E shareholders,
01:22:32.780 --> 01:22:37.123
not the people to pay
for the companies failures.
01:22:38.270 --> 01:22:39.830
You know, time and time again
01:22:39.830 --> 01:22:44.580
I'm absolutely frustrated
at the CPUC personally,
01:22:44.580 --> 01:22:47.530
I really do think that
you need to step up
01:22:47.530 --> 01:22:51.130
and show that the CPUC
stands for the public
01:22:51.130 --> 01:22:53.743
and not PG&E, thank you.
01:22:55.790 --> 01:22:59.053
Thank you, next
caller please operator.
01:23:01.300 --> 01:23:02.890
Our next
caller is Jacqueline Ayer,
01:23:02.890 --> 01:23:04.860
with Acting Town Council.
01:23:04.860 --> 01:23:05.710
You may go ahead.
01:23:06.650 --> 01:23:07.870
Good
morning and thank you
01:23:07.870 --> 01:23:09.740
for this opportunity to address you.
01:23:09.740 --> 01:23:11.550
I am Jacqueline Ayer
and I'm speaking today
01:23:11.550 --> 01:23:13.760
on behalf of the Acting Town Council.
01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:17.180
The Council supports
agenda item 36 placing PG&E
01:23:17.180 --> 01:23:20.390
in enhanced oversight
and enforcement process,
01:23:20.390 --> 01:23:23.200
for all the reasons set
forth by Tern and others.
01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:24.430
We would also like to point out
01:23:24.430 --> 01:23:27.320
that PG&Es PSPS decision protocols,
01:23:27.320 --> 01:23:30.723
which are generally
described in their 2020 WMP
01:23:30.723 --> 01:23:34.090
and more explicitly
described in the 2021 update,
01:23:34.090 --> 01:23:37.480
do not comply with the PSPS
use restrictions and guidelines
01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:40.550
established by the Commission
and resolution ESRV eight
01:23:40.550 --> 01:23:43.360
and decision 1905042.
01:23:43.360 --> 01:23:45.930
Specifically PG&Es PSPS protocols,
01:23:45.930 --> 01:23:47.630
state that PG&E will cut power
01:23:47.630 --> 01:23:49.810
under the guides of a PSPS event,
01:23:49.810 --> 01:23:51.460
even under low wind conditions
01:23:52.940 --> 01:23:56.560
by implementing what PG&E
calls it's black Swan scenario.
01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:58.760
There is nothing about
the Black Swan provisions
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:01.670
in PG&Es PSPS protocols
to comply in any way
01:24:01.670 --> 01:24:04.430
with the Commission's
adopted PSPS guidelines.
01:24:04.430 --> 01:24:07.610
If there are wildfire risks
posed by equipment deficiencies
01:24:07.610 --> 01:24:09.770
or poor vegetation management practices
01:24:09.770 --> 01:24:11.860
which should have been
addressed but were not.
01:24:11.860 --> 01:24:14.540
Such as those circumstances
that created the Kincade fire
01:24:14.540 --> 01:24:16.780
and appear to have created the Zogg fire
01:24:16.780 --> 01:24:18.740
that the power shut
off is clearly warranted
01:24:18.740 --> 01:24:20.520
in the interest of public safety.
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:23.440
However, PG&E must not
be permitted to masquerade
01:24:23.440 --> 01:24:26.390
such power shut offs
under the guides of PSPS
01:24:26.390 --> 01:24:28.710
and they should never be
allowed to legitimize shut offs
01:24:28.710 --> 01:24:30.440
that are driven by
equipment deficiencies
01:24:30.440 --> 01:24:33.150
or vegetation management
practices, by claiming that they
01:24:33.150 --> 01:24:36.550
qualify for considerations
PSPS activities.
01:24:36.550 --> 01:24:38.820
PG&E should be required
to report equipment
01:24:38.820 --> 01:24:41.060
and vegetation driven
shutoffs separately
01:24:41.060 --> 01:24:42.960
from its PSPS events.
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:45.050
The acting Town Council
respectfully requests
01:24:45.050 --> 01:24:46.920
that the Commission
factor these concerns
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.507
into the enhanced oversight
and enforcement process
01:24:49.507 --> 01:24:52.550
who will be initiated
pursuant to this agenda item.
01:24:52.550 --> 01:24:53.550
Thank you very much.
01:24:56.330 --> 01:24:59.783
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
01:25:01.750 --> 01:25:03.840
Our next
caller is Pat Kerns
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:04.983
sir you may go ahead.
01:25:10.870 --> 01:25:13.980
(phone beeping)
01:25:13.980 --> 01:25:15.573
Again, Pat Kearns your line is open.
01:25:15.573 --> 01:25:16.530
We're not able to hear you.
01:25:16.530 --> 01:25:18.200
Please check your mute button
01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:21.410
Madam president
and Commissioners.
01:25:21.410 --> 01:25:23.330
I thank you for your
service and attention
01:25:23.330 --> 01:25:26.470
to these disquieting
yet insightful comments.
01:25:26.470 --> 01:25:29.540
My name is Dr. Pat Kearns
and hope you and your staff
01:25:29.540 --> 01:25:32.050
had the opportunity to get vaccinated,
01:25:32.050 --> 01:25:36.230
as it is open to all
those older than 16.
01:25:36.230 --> 01:25:39.080
Comments on water,
tight change of topic.
01:25:39.080 --> 01:25:41.360
Commitments to cooperate with an audit
01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:43.470
of San Jose water company were made
01:25:43.470 --> 01:25:46.760
at the San Jose city council
meeting on March, 23rd.
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:49.300
The offer came as a result of a question
01:25:49.300 --> 01:25:51.460
from the San Jose
water company rate payer
01:25:51.460 --> 01:25:54.420
and San Jose city mayor Liccardo,
01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:56.800
asking the San Jose
water company was willing
01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:59.940
to submit to a forensic
audit to reassure rate payers,
01:25:59.940 --> 01:26:01.740
there is no sharing of resources
01:26:01.740 --> 01:26:05.240
between San Jose water
company and San Jose water group,
01:26:05.240 --> 01:26:07.460
and it's a subsidiary.
01:26:07.460 --> 01:26:10.590
Especially following
Connecticut water services
01:26:10.590 --> 01:26:13.530
becoming a subsidiary
of San Jose water group,
01:26:13.530 --> 01:26:16.210
in the merger documents
San Jose water group said
01:26:16.210 --> 01:26:19.269
it would share it's
sophisticated software systems
01:26:19.269 --> 01:26:22.250
for water management with CTWS.
01:26:22.250 --> 01:26:23.980
This software has been developed
01:26:23.980 --> 01:26:27.590
at the expense of San Jose
water company rate payers.
01:26:27.590 --> 01:26:29.420
There was another
recent public statement
01:26:29.420 --> 01:26:32.110
before the San Jose city council,
01:26:32.110 --> 01:26:34.863
by regulatory affairs
officer to the effect that said
01:26:34.863 --> 01:26:38.030
that the water group
successfully transferred resources
01:26:38.030 --> 01:26:42.840
presumably employees, to the
citizens of Texas via the Texas
01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:47.840
subsidiary owned by the water
group during the Texas free
01:26:48.270 --> 01:26:51.610
and attempted clarification
failed to reassure listeners
01:26:51.610 --> 01:26:54.200
that personnel were not actually shared.
01:26:54.200 --> 01:26:58.380
While rate payers applaud
the social value of this action.
01:26:58.380 --> 01:26:59.870
The dialogue rates concerns
01:26:59.870 --> 01:27:04.190
that sharing of resources
does occur obscurely.
01:27:04.190 --> 01:27:07.210
I thank the CPUC for
considering social values
01:27:07.210 --> 01:27:10.920
as a high priority foundation
of the public interest
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:14.830
especially during the
pandemic financial turmoil
01:27:14.830 --> 01:27:16.810
for all citizens and businesses
01:27:16.810 --> 01:27:19.530
or California citizens and businesses.
01:27:19.530 --> 01:27:21.793
The CEO of San Jose water company,
01:27:22.870 --> 01:27:26.370
committed to an audit at the
city council meeting publicly
01:27:26.370 --> 01:27:29.580
on the March 23rd
meeting, to assure--
01:27:29.580 --> 01:27:31.470
(bell ringing)
01:27:31.470 --> 01:27:34.060
Of San Jose resources has or will occur.
01:27:34.060 --> 01:27:37.563
Rate payers encouraged the
CPUC to act on this commitment.
01:27:38.848 --> 01:27:39.681
Thank you.
01:27:40.894 --> 01:27:44.530
Thank you, operator
the next caller, please.
01:27:46.090 --> 01:27:48.470
Our next
caller is Jen Dietrich.
01:27:48.470 --> 01:27:50.130
You may go ahead.
01:27:50.130 --> 01:27:52.793
Good morning,
president and Commissioners.
01:27:53.740 --> 01:27:54.610
I'm Jen Dietrich,
01:27:54.610 --> 01:27:57.410
president of Income
by Cobra and Factories.
01:27:57.410 --> 01:28:00.730
A commercial rate payer
with Clean Power Alliance.
01:28:00.730 --> 01:28:04.580
I concur with the small, solo
business owners calling you
01:28:04.580 --> 01:28:07.000
to maintain a frankly increase
01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:09.900
round to under-resourced homeowners.
01:28:09.900 --> 01:28:13.960
My issue today is data
for demand response.
01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:17.920
My business does perishable
beneficial effects for farmers.
01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.950
We run motors every day
that we can finish by noon.
01:28:20.950 --> 01:28:23.980
We're mindful and prepare for heat wave
01:28:23.980 --> 01:28:27.510
with extra insulation for
our walk-in refrigerators,
01:28:27.510 --> 01:28:29.810
we can go 70 hours without power
01:28:29.810 --> 01:28:32.220
and our inventory will be fine.
01:28:32.220 --> 01:28:35.380
They simplified small
businesses that want to be part
01:28:35.380 --> 01:28:40.380
of our CPA energy community
reducing use during heat wave.
01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:44.070
We just need to know when to do it.
01:28:44.070 --> 01:28:47.153
Our CCI clean power
light is on a mission.
01:28:47.153 --> 01:28:49.320
Defining programs for
businesses to ensure
01:28:49.320 --> 01:28:51.410
reliability for all of us.
01:28:51.410 --> 01:28:55.110
The main response
will work great for us.
01:28:55.110 --> 01:28:58.500
When we have access to our CCA
01:28:58.500 --> 01:29:02.760
to next day near specific
data, specifically for me
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:06.070
Solar services must
not be allowed to illegally
01:29:06.070 --> 01:29:10.760
hoard small smart meter
data from green power alliance.
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:15.740
Our used data belongs
to us, not the IOUs.
01:29:15.740 --> 01:29:19.160
It is time, you exercise your authority
01:29:19.160 --> 01:29:23.280
to make the IOUs share its data usage so
01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:25.673
that our local energy
community can implement
01:29:25.673 --> 01:29:30.210
maximally effective viable
programs to reduce peaking
01:29:30.210 --> 01:29:32.616
from heat wave please get us the data
01:29:32.616 --> 01:29:35.690
so that we can organize
ourselves as a proactive community
01:29:35.690 --> 01:29:39.520
working together through our
wonderful Clean Power Alliance
01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:42.140
for our energy reliability without
01:29:42.140 --> 01:29:45.201
unnecessary burning fossil fuels.
01:29:45.201 --> 01:29:46.823
Thank you for listening.
01:29:48.590 --> 01:29:51.603
Thank you for calling,
operator the next call please.
01:29:53.180 --> 01:29:55.330
Our next
caller is Jen Dirks.
01:29:55.330 --> 01:29:56.180
You may go ahead.
01:29:58.430 --> 01:29:59.860
Hi, my name is Jen Dirks,
01:29:59.860 --> 01:30:03.020
I'm a business owner in
the city of Mesa, California
01:30:03.020 --> 01:30:04.620
and an SDG&E rate payer
01:30:04.620 --> 01:30:07.270
as both a resident
and business customer.
01:30:07.270 --> 01:30:10.850
And I'm calling in for agenda item 34.
01:30:10.850 --> 01:30:13.250
While I strongly support a
transition to clean energy
01:30:13.250 --> 01:30:14.890
and away from fossil fuels,
01:30:14.890 --> 01:30:18.200
I'm making a Public Comment against the
01:30:18.200 --> 01:30:21.070
Power Your drive proposal for extension.
01:30:21.070 --> 01:30:23.420
SDG&E is charging rate payers,
01:30:23.420 --> 01:30:26.610
to invest in infrastructure
that they're profiting from.
01:30:26.610 --> 01:30:28.270
So as a business owner myself,
01:30:28.270 --> 01:30:29.760
I know there are inherent risks
01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:34.760
in creating services
that the market will use
01:30:34.940 --> 01:30:37.090
and they are sidestepping that risk
01:30:37.090 --> 01:30:40.070
and instead putting
that as increased fees
01:30:40.070 --> 01:30:41.510
on residential customers.
01:30:41.510 --> 01:30:43.130
And yet they make
claims in their marketing
01:30:43.130 --> 01:30:44.710
and public relations of their commitment
01:30:44.710 --> 01:30:46.233
to a clean energy future.
01:30:47.090 --> 01:30:50.570
So I'd like you to really consider
01:30:50.570 --> 01:30:52.943
how that affects the public rate payers.
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:56.330
They've also overspent this program
01:30:56.330 --> 01:30:57.660
more than twenty-five million
01:30:57.660 --> 01:30:59.600
and with no explanation why.
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:02.310
I urge you to consider the cost burden
01:31:02.310 --> 01:31:03.970
that this proposal
would put on rate payers
01:31:03.970 --> 01:31:06.610
who already pay one of the highest rates
01:31:06.610 --> 01:31:08.533
in the United States, thank you.
01:31:10.780 --> 01:31:13.273
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:31:14.970 --> 01:31:16.890
Our next
caller is Tara Hammond.
01:31:16.890 --> 01:31:17.740
You may go ahead.
01:31:20.290 --> 01:31:22.310
Good morning president
Batjer and Commissioners.
01:31:22.310 --> 01:31:23.570
My name is Tara Hammond.
01:31:23.570 --> 01:31:25.490
I'm the founder of
Hammond Climate Solutions
01:31:25.490 --> 01:31:28.340
and unfortunately the
majority of our climate advocacy
01:31:28.340 --> 01:31:31.970
is opposing SDG&E's egregious proposals,
01:31:31.970 --> 01:31:34.160
nearly all that keep
us addicted to dirty,
01:31:34.160 --> 01:31:37.050
harmful fossil fuels
and increased rates,
01:31:37.050 --> 01:31:39.793
whilst PG&E makes a
million dollars a day on profit.
01:31:40.770 --> 01:31:42.990
My biggest fear is your
Commission approving
01:31:42.990 --> 01:31:45.250
anything close to what
the investor on utilities
01:31:45.250 --> 01:31:47.680
joint NEM proposal is.
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:49.552
They're using equity as a talking point,
01:31:49.552 --> 01:31:52.150
ignoring the billions
of dollars of benefits
01:31:52.150 --> 01:31:54.330
that net metering
provides all rate payers
01:31:54.330 --> 01:31:57.230
the grid, the environment
and public health.
01:31:57.230 --> 01:32:00.040
Their proposal would
increase dirty energy use,
01:32:00.040 --> 01:32:03.870
worsening California's
environmental racism in Kern County,
01:32:03.870 --> 01:32:06.200
where primarily black and
Brown communities face
01:32:06.200 --> 01:32:10.870
high rates of asthma,
cancer, premature birth, COVID
01:32:10.870 --> 01:32:13.700
and other illnesses from
the fracking and oil refineries
01:32:13.700 --> 01:32:15.220
in their backyards.
01:32:15.220 --> 01:32:18.540
The IOU proposal would
kill the Rooftop Solar industry
01:32:18.540 --> 01:32:21.900
and it's thousands of jobs
more than the IOUs combined
01:32:21.900 --> 01:32:24.460
and the billions of dollars
in economic benefit.
01:32:24.460 --> 01:32:26.680
Meaning more dirty energy will be used,
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:29.470
Worsening the climate crisis
and making it nearly impossible
01:32:29.470 --> 01:32:33.500
for California to meet our
100% clean energy commitment.
01:32:33.500 --> 01:32:35.550
For the sake of a just livable future,
01:32:35.550 --> 01:32:37.640
I wholeheartedly hope
that you support a strong
01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:39.720
net metering agreement later this year,
01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:41.500
when given the opportunity to vote
01:32:41.500 --> 01:32:43.863
on the future of
Rooftop Solar in America.
01:32:44.740 --> 01:32:47.760
I'm also calling in to comment
on agenda item number 34.
01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:50.180
Well, I support zero emission vehicles
01:32:50.180 --> 01:32:52.230
especially in communities of concern.
01:32:52.230 --> 01:32:54.590
I'm calling in to express
my strong opposition
01:32:54.590 --> 01:32:58.820
for the Power Your Drive
proposal, to be extended.
01:32:58.820 --> 01:33:03.730
As PG&E overcharged $25
million on the pilot program
01:33:03.730 --> 01:33:06.070
and to not be given more
funds that they can again
01:33:06.070 --> 01:33:09.620
misuse on infrastructure,
that they make money off of.
01:33:09.620 --> 01:33:13.010
Please reject this cautious proposal.
01:33:13.010 --> 01:33:15.320
Lastly, I support the other
comments made today
01:33:15.320 --> 01:33:17.460
on agenda item number six.
01:33:17.460 --> 01:33:19.250
Thank you for your
time and consideration
01:33:19.250 --> 01:33:20.350
and happy earth month.
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.817
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:33:27.320 --> 01:33:29.950
Our next
caller is Jose Tori Bueno.
01:33:29.950 --> 01:33:30.800
You may go ahead.
01:33:32.830 --> 01:33:34.100
I'm Jose Tori Bueno,
01:33:34.100 --> 01:33:38.010
the executive director of the
Center for Community Energy.
01:33:38.010 --> 01:33:40.629
I wanna speak on item 34 also the
01:33:40.629 --> 01:33:43.500
extend your power drive pilot.
01:33:43.500 --> 01:33:47.530
We strongly oppose the
proposal to raise rates
01:33:47.530 --> 01:33:49.760
to increase, to allow the utility
01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:52.220
own charging infrastructure.
01:33:52.220 --> 01:33:56.350
Our analyst says that
if the PUC just refrains
01:33:56.350 --> 01:34:00.700
from new punitive changes in
the net energy metering rules
01:34:00.700 --> 01:34:04.630
it will be economically possible
for the owners of buildings
01:34:04.630 --> 01:34:08.280
to put solar powered
chargers in their parking lots
01:34:08.280 --> 01:34:10.370
without requiring any subsidies
01:34:10.370 --> 01:34:13.090
or any new grid infrastructure.
01:34:13.090 --> 01:34:16.500
At this point, the best thing
the PUC can do to encourage
01:34:16.500 --> 01:34:20.390
the development of
transportation electrification,
01:34:20.390 --> 01:34:24.040
is to leave the existing
NEM rules in place.
01:34:24.040 --> 01:34:27.950
Rate increases and
reductions in local solar
01:34:27.950 --> 01:34:30.720
will discourage
building electrification,
01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.370
delay electrification of the economy.
01:34:33.370 --> 01:34:36.333
The proposed changes both
to the charging infrastructure
01:34:36.333 --> 01:34:39.370
and the NEM rules, are going to delay
01:34:39.370 --> 01:34:42.370
the de-carbonization of
the California economy
01:34:42.370 --> 01:34:44.953
and exacerbate the
climate crisis, thank you.
01:34:48.420 --> 01:34:51.543
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:34:53.642 --> 01:34:55.950
Our next caller
is Bennett Meyerson.
01:34:55.950 --> 01:34:56.800
You may go ahead.
01:35:00.440 --> 01:35:01.560
All right, thank you.
01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:03.880
My name is Bennett
Meyerson and I'm with the
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:06.840
Peninsula Chapter of the
democratic socialist of America.
01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:08.530
PG&E has proven time and again--
01:35:08.530 --> 01:35:10.680
Mr. Meyerson, could
you speak up a little bit?
01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:12.023
It's hard to hear you.
01:35:16.340 --> 01:35:17.190
Yeah, my apologies.
01:35:17.190 --> 01:35:18.940
Is that any better?
01:35:18.940 --> 01:35:20.190
Much better, thank you.
01:35:21.040 --> 01:35:23.193
Sure, hi I'm here today.
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:33.230
I'm sorry, now I
can't hear you at all.
01:35:33.230 --> 01:35:35.370
I think you hit the mute button.
01:35:35.370 --> 01:35:37.770
It looks like
his line has dropped.
01:35:43.260 --> 01:35:46.160
Okay it looks like
his mic is off operator.
01:35:46.160 --> 01:35:48.640
No, I'm sorry It
looks like his line dropped.
01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:50.430
Oh, his line dropped okay.
01:35:50.430 --> 01:35:53.770
Mr. Meyerson if you're
listening, please call back in.
01:35:53.770 --> 01:35:55.753
Operator let's move to the next caller.
01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:59.200
Our next
caller is Karina Gonzalez.
01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:00.050
You may go ahead.
01:36:03.700 --> 01:36:05.690
Good morning, president
Batjer and Commissioners.
01:36:05.690 --> 01:36:07.170
My name is Karina Gonzalez.
01:36:07.170 --> 01:36:10.300
I'm a rate payer in SDG&Es territory
01:36:10.300 --> 01:36:12.620
and I'm with Hammon Climate Solutions.
01:36:12.620 --> 01:36:14.310
We have been working overtime
01:36:14.310 --> 01:36:17.970
along with local community-based
organizations, nonprofits
01:36:17.970 --> 01:36:20.860
and advocacy groups
to save Rooftop Solar.
01:36:20.860 --> 01:36:22.780
If the Commission
approved anything close
01:36:22.780 --> 01:36:24.960
to the joint IOU NEM proposal,
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:27.250
it would will rooftop solar overnight,
01:36:27.250 --> 01:36:28.840
which means more dirty energy
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.100
that impacts our communities of concerns
01:36:31.100 --> 01:36:34.660
the worst and further
exacerbates the climate crisis.
01:36:34.660 --> 01:36:36.450
We do not profit from Rooftop Solar.
01:36:36.450 --> 01:36:38.470
We have no interest other than ensuring
01:36:38.470 --> 01:36:40.320
an equitable future for all
01:36:40.320 --> 01:36:42.440
and we encourage you
to consider the impacts
01:36:42.440 --> 01:36:45.750
that the IOU proposal would
have on the solar industry,
01:36:45.750 --> 01:36:48.520
communities of color
and the climate crisis.
01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:51.010
Later this year, you'll be
given the power to vote
01:36:51.010 --> 01:36:54.070
on the future of Rooftop
Solar in California
01:36:54.070 --> 01:36:55.670
the nation's top solar state
01:36:55.670 --> 01:36:59.310
and I ask that you allow
Rooftop Solar to grow sustainably
01:36:59.310 --> 01:37:01.470
as directed by law.
01:37:01.470 --> 01:37:04.090
I'm also calling into
express my opposition for the
01:37:04.090 --> 01:37:07.020
Power Your Drive
proposal, for extension,
01:37:07.020 --> 01:37:10.080
SDG&E rates are already
one of the highest in the country
01:37:10.080 --> 01:37:13.420
and San Diego families
are struggling to pay their gas
01:37:13.420 --> 01:37:14.870
and electric bills.
01:37:14.870 --> 01:37:18.160
SDG&Es EV charging
costs are outrageously high
01:37:18.160 --> 01:37:22.200
with no explanation for
charging $21,000 per port
01:37:22.200 --> 01:37:25.505
while the department of
energy lifts costs at around 9,000
01:37:25.505 --> 01:37:29.630
and similar programs in the
Edison and PG&E territories
01:37:29.630 --> 01:37:32.320
have an average cost of around 15,000.
01:37:32.320 --> 01:37:34.790
We support zero emission
vehicles and wanna see
01:37:34.790 --> 01:37:36.930
equitable access across the state,
01:37:36.930 --> 01:37:39.280
but we don't believe
the appropriate pathway
01:37:39.280 --> 01:37:41.280
is for the investor owned utilities
01:37:41.280 --> 01:37:43.340
to request a cost shift to rate payers
01:37:43.340 --> 01:37:45.760
while they own and
profit from the chargers.
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:48.410
While also flaunting this
mismanaged program
01:37:48.410 --> 01:37:50.590
as they attempt to kill net metering.
01:37:50.590 --> 01:37:53.740
I urge the Commission to
consider the tremendous cost shift
01:37:53.740 --> 01:37:55.730
this proposal would put on rate payers
01:37:55.730 --> 01:37:58.650
and also hold SPG&E any accountable
01:37:58.650 --> 01:38:01.060
and please reject this proposal.
01:38:01.060 --> 01:38:04.810
Lastly, I support the previous
comments on agenda item six.
01:38:04.810 --> 01:38:07.143
Thank you for your
time and consideration.
01:38:08.440 --> 01:38:10.150
Thank you for your call.
01:38:10.150 --> 01:38:11.750
Operator the next caller please.
01:38:13.060 --> 01:38:13.893
And our next caller,
01:38:13.893 --> 01:38:15.550
we have Bennett Meyerson back,
01:38:15.550 --> 01:38:17.633
with Democratic Socialists of America.
01:38:19.540 --> 01:38:21.599
Yeah, thank you.
01:38:21.599 --> 01:38:23.433
Sorry about, the technical difficulties.
01:38:24.370 --> 01:38:25.900
PG&E has proven time again
01:38:25.900 --> 01:38:28.380
that they can not be trusted
to provide safe, reliable
01:38:28.380 --> 01:38:30.430
and affordable energy to customers.
01:38:30.430 --> 01:38:34.240
It's infuriating that the CPUC
removed the vote on PG&Es
01:38:34.240 --> 01:38:36.180
Safety Certificate from today's agenda
01:38:36.180 --> 01:38:37.460
at the last minute.
01:38:37.460 --> 01:38:39.450
The process to grant
them this license to burn
01:38:39.450 --> 01:38:41.470
has been flawed opaque
and will now guarantee
01:38:41.470 --> 01:38:44.700
that they get away with more
fires, shut offs and smoke.
01:38:44.700 --> 01:38:47.220
Enough is enough, since
the adoption of the PG&E
01:38:47.220 --> 01:38:49.930
plan of reorganization
in June of last year,
01:38:49.930 --> 01:38:53.340
PG&E caused the Zogg fire by
formerly maintaining equipment
01:38:53.340 --> 01:38:56.850
violated judge Alsup's
fire mitigation court order
01:38:56.850 --> 01:38:59.630
by deliberately lying
about which trees to trim
01:38:59.630 --> 01:39:02.280
and inactivate at
least six shutoff events
01:39:02.280 --> 01:39:04.300
deeply impacting thousands of people's
01:39:04.300 --> 01:39:06.510
health, safety, and economic wellbeing.
01:39:06.510 --> 01:39:08.640
All while paying out
millions to shareholders
01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:11.454
and corporate executives
who caused this crisis.
01:39:11.454 --> 01:39:14.470
I'm calling today to demand
that you reject PG&Es
01:39:14.470 --> 01:39:17.900
Safety Certificate, move
PG&Es into step three
01:39:17.900 --> 01:39:21.080
or further up the enhanced
oversight and enforcement process
01:39:21.080 --> 01:39:22.950
and select the third party monitor,
01:39:22.950 --> 01:39:25.050
to hold mutually accountable
01:39:25.050 --> 01:39:27.590
to make the enhanced oversight
and enforcement process
01:39:27.590 --> 01:39:30.280
public and transparent
by moving it to an official
01:39:30.280 --> 01:39:34.770
CPUC proceeding and finally
to force PG&E shareholders,
01:39:34.770 --> 01:39:37.480
not the people to pay
for the company's failures.
01:39:37.480 --> 01:39:38.680
Thank you for your time.
01:39:40.870 --> 01:39:42.133
Okay, thank you.
01:39:44.130 --> 01:39:45.793
Operator, the next caller please.
01:39:47.430 --> 01:39:50.910
Our next caller
is Matthew Osalakis.
01:39:50.910 --> 01:39:52.680
Sir you may go ahead.
01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:55.590
I can't say
words that's equal...
01:39:57.028 --> 01:40:00.640
Good morning
chair and Commissioners.
01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:02.520
This is Matthew Vasilakis co-director
01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:04.690
of policy from Climate Action campaign,
01:40:04.690 --> 01:40:06.930
of San Diego and Orange
County based nonprofit
01:40:06.930 --> 01:40:10.020
working to stop the climate
crisis, dialing into highlight
01:40:10.020 --> 01:40:13.180
and oppose SDG&Es attempts
to take advantage of rate payers
01:40:13.180 --> 01:40:15.340
by monopolizing and cost shifting EV
01:40:15.340 --> 01:40:18.940
infrastructure expansion,
after a egregious cost overruns
01:40:18.940 --> 01:40:20.320
of more than $25 million
01:40:22.060 --> 01:40:24.390
during SDG&Es first iterations of their
01:40:24.390 --> 01:40:26.510
Power for Drive program.
01:40:26.510 --> 01:40:30.400
As the Commission is well aware,
SDG&E has the highest rates
01:40:30.400 --> 01:40:32.410
in the continental of United States
01:40:32.410 --> 01:40:34.090
and San Diegans are struggling to pay
01:40:34.090 --> 01:40:35.570
their electricity bills.
01:40:35.570 --> 01:40:37.550
As such, we as rate payers
01:40:37.550 --> 01:40:39.470
should not be burdened
by further overages
01:40:39.470 --> 01:40:43.200
from SDG&Es fraudulent
EV charging station programs.
01:40:43.200 --> 01:40:45.800
This is a company that
is profiting $1 million a day
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:47.270
in the city of San Diego alone,
01:40:47.270 --> 01:40:48.750
and they will continue to profit
01:40:48.750 --> 01:40:50.790
from the use of their
existing company owned
01:40:50.790 --> 01:40:53.923
Power your own Drive
EV charging program.
01:40:56.190 --> 01:40:57.850
Which is nothing more than a rate payer
01:40:57.850 --> 01:41:00.030
funded green washing
campaign to clam more profit
01:41:00.030 --> 01:41:01.550
from San Diego families.
01:41:01.550 --> 01:41:03.850
Allowing SDG&E to expand its EV program,
01:41:03.850 --> 01:41:05.460
is nothing but another way for SDG&E
01:41:05.460 --> 01:41:06.800
to take advantage of their rate payers
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:08.330
while falsely promoting
their commitment to
01:41:08.330 --> 01:41:09.870
clean energy transportation,
01:41:09.870 --> 01:41:12.350
at the same time they
were trying gut net metering
01:41:12.350 --> 01:41:15.150
crippling our ability to build
a local clean energy future
01:41:15.150 --> 01:41:16.710
and double down on methane gas
01:41:16.710 --> 01:41:19.270
and the fossil fuel dependent reality.
01:41:19.270 --> 01:41:21.570
We support equitable
access to the emission vehicles
01:41:21.570 --> 01:41:22.440
throughout the state,
01:41:22.440 --> 01:41:24.440
but we cannot support
the investor on utilities
01:41:24.440 --> 01:41:26.530
request to further
cost shift to rate payers,
01:41:26.530 --> 01:41:29.220
while they own and profit
from the EV charging stations.
01:41:29.220 --> 01:41:30.790
Thank you.
01:41:30.790 --> 01:41:33.943
Thank you Operator
next caller please.
01:41:35.890 --> 01:41:38.250
Our next caller
is Laura Cole Benzer.
01:41:38.250 --> 01:41:39.243
You may go ahead.
01:41:49.210 --> 01:41:50.713
Laura you can go ahead.
01:41:54.780 --> 01:41:56.160
And Laura,
we're not able to hear you.
01:41:56.160 --> 01:41:57.710
Can you check your mute button.
01:42:08.200 --> 01:42:10.330
Laura you're gonna
have to call back in I think.
01:42:10.330 --> 01:42:12.390
Operator let's move
on to the next caller
01:42:12.390 --> 01:42:13.903
and have Laura Call in again.
01:42:15.470 --> 01:42:18.090
Our next
caller is Will Abrams.
01:42:18.090 --> 01:42:18.940
You may go ahead.
01:42:20.770 --> 01:42:23.290
Thanks very
much, good afternoon
01:42:23.290 --> 01:42:24.940
President Batjer and Commissioners,
01:42:24.940 --> 01:42:27.230
so thankful for your service,
01:42:27.230 --> 01:42:29.500
but as a PG&E wildfire survivor,
01:42:29.500 --> 01:42:33.060
who ran from the flames
and lost their home
01:42:33.060 --> 01:42:37.860
in the PG&Es wildfires, I
must asked the question
01:42:37.860 --> 01:42:40.780
why the Commission has
removed item number six
01:42:40.780 --> 01:42:45.760
for reconsideration of the
PG&E Safety Certification.
01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:47.450
Perhaps this is because the evidence
01:42:47.450 --> 01:42:49.230
is just too compelling and
01:42:49.230 --> 01:42:52.820
is just too easy to demonstrate
how PG&E is not deserving
01:42:52.820 --> 01:42:54.860
of this rubber stamp of approval,
01:42:54.860 --> 01:42:57.820
given their mounting and
ever expanding violations
01:42:57.820 --> 01:43:00.030
and felony convictions.
01:43:00.030 --> 01:43:02.680
Does the Commission
look the other way because
01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:05.770
of the considerable political
pressure from Sacramento,
01:43:05.770 --> 01:43:08.880
to avoid the tough
realities our state would face
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:12.010
by not approving this
certificate of safety.
01:43:12.010 --> 01:43:14.560
Like the prospect of
golden state energy,
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:16.020
taking the place of PG&E.
01:43:16.940 --> 01:43:19.040
Does this CPUC look the other way
01:43:19.040 --> 01:43:22.360
because of the considerable
pressure from judge Alsup
01:43:22.360 --> 01:43:24.570
and if the CPUC was once again,
01:43:24.570 --> 01:43:27.210
put in a position to defend PG&E
01:43:27.210 --> 01:43:30.330
they might give judge
Alsup more reason to step in
01:43:30.330 --> 01:43:34.480
and do what the Commission
apparently will not do it.
01:43:34.480 --> 01:43:39.210
Is it because when the
Commission cannot defend PG&E
01:43:39.210 --> 01:43:43.770
on the merits, it instead wants
to argue process constraints
01:43:43.770 --> 01:43:45.830
as an easy way out.
01:43:45.830 --> 01:43:49.240
Does the Commission
concede to the PG&E strategy
01:43:49.240 --> 01:43:52.160
of liability avoidance,
stretching across
01:43:52.160 --> 01:43:55.150
how they respond in
Commission proceedings.
01:43:55.150 --> 01:43:58.520
Avoiding accountability for
every fire they have started
01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:01.480
in the hopes that the
public will be distracted,
01:44:01.480 --> 01:44:03.850
affording PG&E time to avoid the latest
01:44:03.850 --> 01:44:05.750
string of liabilities,
01:44:05.750 --> 01:44:07.240
does the Commission want to put off
01:44:07.240 --> 01:44:09.890
confronting these
issues until this summer
01:44:09.890 --> 01:44:13.117
when we face exponentially
higher wildfire risks
01:44:13.117 --> 01:44:15.830
and our communities are
more at risk from PG&E
01:44:15.830 --> 01:44:18.440
operating as an unsafe baxter.
01:44:18.440 --> 01:44:21.448
Respectfully, the
Commission may want to avoid
01:44:21.448 --> 01:44:25.660
number six on the agenda,
but our residents, our businesses
01:44:25.660 --> 01:44:29.583
and our communities living
among the PG&E lines cannot
01:44:29.583 --> 01:44:31.150
(bell ringing)
01:44:31.150 --> 01:44:34.160
To take a more active
role on these issues.
01:44:34.160 --> 01:44:38.203
Admonishments and waiving
fines is not going to hold
01:44:38.203 --> 01:44:41.073
PG&E to account, thank you very much.
01:44:42.550 --> 01:44:44.280
Thank you, Mr. Abrams.
01:44:44.280 --> 01:44:45.993
Next caller, please operator.
01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.200
Thank you, before
we go to the next caller,
01:44:50.200 --> 01:44:52.380
if you was to speak during
the Public Comment period
01:44:52.380 --> 01:44:54.670
please press star one on mute your phone
01:44:54.670 --> 01:44:56.200
and clearly provide your name
01:44:56.200 --> 01:44:58.480
and organization when prompted.
01:44:58.480 --> 01:45:00.500
Our next caller is Mary Kay Benson.
01:45:00.500 --> 01:45:01.733
You may go ahead.
01:45:02.970 --> 01:45:04.040
Thank you.
01:45:04.040 --> 01:45:08.340
This is Mary Kay Benson,
representing 350 Butte County
01:45:08.340 --> 01:45:10.330
in Chico, California.
01:45:10.330 --> 01:45:14.910
Home of four climate
accelerated disasters in three years
01:45:14.910 --> 01:45:18.970
including the campfire
storms and the 2020 bear fire
01:45:18.970 --> 01:45:21.880
and North complex pliers.
01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:25.818
We are the front lines PG&E
01:45:25.818 --> 01:45:30.818
has pled guilty to 84
counts of manslaughter,
01:45:32.450 --> 01:45:35.060
We have lost a hundred people here,
01:45:35.060 --> 01:45:40.060
in those fires and we suffer
pretty regular power shut offs.
01:45:41.420 --> 01:45:46.150
I'm calling also in support
of Reclaim Our Power
01:45:46.150 --> 01:45:50.320
and also want to express my dismay
01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:53.483
about removing agenda item number six.
01:45:55.164 --> 01:45:59.270
I agree with someone else
and everyone here agrees
01:45:59.270 --> 01:46:03.300
that PG&E in our
opinion is a serial killer.
01:46:03.300 --> 01:46:07.280
And we do feel that
01:46:09.959 --> 01:46:14.959
the CPUC doesn't seem to regulate PG&E,
01:46:15.350 --> 01:46:18.380
although that is your mission.
01:46:18.380 --> 01:46:20.060
I'm going to quote from
01:46:22.050 --> 01:46:24.590
a newspaper article
from two days ago here
01:46:24.590 --> 01:46:28.393
when Governor Newsom visited our County.
01:46:30.940 --> 01:46:33.950
Maya Chupkov director of strategic
01:46:33.950 --> 01:46:36.787
communications and outreach
for the advocate's office said
01:46:36.787 --> 01:46:41.283
"the office identified numerous
significant deficiencies
01:46:42.810 --> 01:46:47.690
with PG&E's proposed
wildfire safety plan submitted to
01:46:47.690 --> 01:46:51.040
the CPUC wildfire safety division.
01:46:51.040 --> 01:46:53.500
Based on these
deficiencies, we recommend
01:46:53.500 --> 01:46:55.770
that the division reject PG&Es plan
01:46:55.770 --> 01:46:57.770
until the issues are fixed."
01:46:57.770 --> 01:47:00.700
The four main deficiencies outlined were
01:47:00.700 --> 01:47:05.310
poor management, improving
oversight and quality of work
01:47:05.310 --> 01:47:07.820
a deficient tree-trimming plan,
01:47:07.820 --> 01:47:11.970
not prioritizing high-risk
neighborhoods over low-risk--
01:47:11.970 --> 01:47:13.420
(bell ringing)
01:47:13.420 --> 01:47:18.000
Insufficient inspections and
grid upgrades in the wrong
01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:21.483
places and not prioritizing
improving the grid, thank you.
01:47:23.190 --> 01:47:26.263
Thank you, operator
the next caller please.
01:47:27.860 --> 01:47:29.990
Our next
caller is Shayla Ott.
01:47:29.990 --> 01:47:30.840
You may go ahead.
01:47:32.950 --> 01:47:35.430
Good morning,
president and Commissioners.
01:47:35.430 --> 01:47:37.180
My name is Shayla Ott.
01:47:37.180 --> 01:47:39.780
I'm a rate payer in SDG&E territory
01:47:39.780 --> 01:47:42.380
and I'm with Hammon Climate Solutions.
01:47:42.380 --> 01:47:44.300
My team has been tirelessly working
01:47:44.300 --> 01:47:47.960
to prevent the destruction
of Rooftop Solar in California.
01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:51.310
If anything, akin to the
joint IOU non proposal
01:47:51.310 --> 01:47:53.140
would be approved by the Commission.
01:47:53.140 --> 01:47:55.780
It would kill rooftop, solar
overnight which means
01:47:55.780 --> 01:47:59.160
more dirty energy that impacts
our communities of concern,
01:47:59.160 --> 01:48:02.633
the worst and further
exacerbates the climate crisis.
01:48:03.630 --> 01:48:06.700
Our organization does
not profit from rooftop solar
01:48:06.700 --> 01:48:08.280
and our only motive is ensuring,
01:48:08.280 --> 01:48:10.550
a just and livable future for all.
01:48:10.550 --> 01:48:13.100
We encourage you to take
the time to truly consider
01:48:13.100 --> 01:48:16.380
the impact of the IOU
proposal would have
01:48:16.380 --> 01:48:19.120
on the industry communities, of concern
01:48:19.120 --> 01:48:20.443
and the climate crisis.
01:48:21.372 --> 01:48:25.140
I am also calling in
regard to agenda item 34.
01:48:25.140 --> 01:48:28.162
As many of us know SDG&E
has one of the highest rates
01:48:28.162 --> 01:48:31.960
one of the highest utility
rates in the United States
01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:33.970
and San Diegans are already struggling
01:48:33.970 --> 01:48:35.633
to pay their electricity bills.
01:48:36.580 --> 01:48:39.990
San Diego rate payers should
not be asked to absorb a cost
01:48:39.990 --> 01:48:42.950
that results in profits for SDG&E,
01:48:42.950 --> 01:48:46.080
which is profiting over $1 million a day
01:48:46.080 --> 01:48:48.310
and they will continue
to profit from the use
01:48:48.310 --> 01:48:51.053
of the existing Power
Your Drive EV chargers.
01:48:51.930 --> 01:48:53.700
The Power of Your Drive Pilot program
01:48:53.700 --> 01:48:56.250
overspent by more than $25 million
01:48:56.250 --> 01:48:58.270
and has no explanation why.
01:48:58.270 --> 01:49:00.980
There are also other various
problems with the program that
01:49:00.980 --> 01:49:03.240
other folks have communicated earlier,
01:49:03.240 --> 01:49:05.743
such as the chargers
not even being accessible.
01:49:06.610 --> 01:49:10.050
The power, this alarming
misuse of rate payer funds
01:49:10.050 --> 01:49:13.860
on its own should be a reason
to not extend this program.
01:49:13.860 --> 01:49:15.870
We support zero emission vehicles
01:49:15.870 --> 01:49:18.600
and want to see equitable
access throughout the state,
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:21.100
but we don't believe
the appropriate pathway
01:49:21.100 --> 01:49:23.880
is for investor owned
utilities to request a cost shift
01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:27.380
to rate payers, while they own
and profit from the chargers.
01:49:27.380 --> 01:49:30.120
This program is nothing
but another way for SDG&E
01:49:30.120 --> 01:49:33.320
to take advantage of their
rate payers to gain more profits,
01:49:33.320 --> 01:49:34.560
while flaunting the program
01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:37.180
as their commitment
to clean transportation.
01:49:37.180 --> 01:49:39.830
At the same time, they
are trying to gut net metering
01:49:39.830 --> 01:49:41.420
and clean energy.
01:49:41.420 --> 01:49:43.530
Last, I want to echo all of the comments
01:49:43.530 --> 01:49:45.730
on agenda item number six in support of
01:49:45.730 --> 01:49:47.550
Reclaim Our Power campaign.
01:49:47.550 --> 01:49:49.003
Thank you for your time.
01:49:51.913 --> 01:49:55.080
Thank you for your call,
operator next caller please.
01:49:56.130 --> 01:49:58.400
Our next
caller is Jada Dogan.
01:49:58.400 --> 01:49:59.250
You may go ahead.
01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:02.440
Thank you, Jay Dogan
01:50:02.440 --> 01:50:04.860
with the Local Clean Energy Alliance.
01:50:04.860 --> 01:50:08.270
I support Reclaim Our
Power utility justice campaigns
01:50:08.270 --> 01:50:11.740
demand to hold PG&E
accountable for causing
01:50:11.740 --> 01:50:13.570
fires and killing people.
01:50:13.570 --> 01:50:16.160
It's unacceptable that
you removed the word
01:50:16.160 --> 01:50:19.430
on PG&E Safety Certificates
from today's agenda
01:50:19.430 --> 01:50:22.860
at the last minute, we
want a transparent process,
01:50:22.860 --> 01:50:25.760
we also demand that you
move the enhanced oversight
01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:30.110
and enforcement process to
an official CPUC proceeding.
01:50:30.110 --> 01:50:32.230
PG&E continues to fail us
01:50:32.230 --> 01:50:35.960
and granting them a license
to burn will make it even worse.
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:39.370
So we demand that you
reject PG&E Safety Certificate.
01:50:39.370 --> 01:50:40.203
Thank you.
01:50:42.550 --> 01:50:44.913
Thank you, operator
next caller please.
01:50:52.280 --> 01:50:53.760
Next caller, please.
01:51:02.690 --> 01:51:03.973
Operator, are you there?
01:51:07.723 --> 01:51:09.170
President Batjer.
Robert?
01:51:09.170 --> 01:51:10.350
Thank you, Robert.
01:51:10.350 --> 01:51:12.580
Our next caller
is Mr. Dan Courtney.
01:51:12.580 --> 01:51:13.883
Dan you can speak.
01:51:15.570 --> 01:51:17.370
Hi, yes my
name is Dan Courtney
01:51:17.370 --> 01:51:21.580
and I am a proud member
of the Sierra Club Utility
01:51:21.580 --> 01:51:24.280
wildfire prevention task force,
01:51:24.280 --> 01:51:25.810
also a 20 year member of the
01:51:25.810 --> 01:51:28.130
Lawyer Community Planning Association,
01:51:28.130 --> 01:51:33.130
but I'm calling strictly first
as a private property owner
01:51:33.850 --> 01:51:36.800
of property in Tuolumne
County on the outskirts of
01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:41.800
Yosemite National Park at
11250 Sawmill Mountain Rd.
01:51:41.850 --> 01:51:43.843
And the experiences we've had here,
01:51:45.900 --> 01:51:50.480
what we're dealing with is
we have very bad equipment
01:51:50.480 --> 01:51:54.370
now 70 year old uninsulated power lines,
01:51:54.370 --> 01:51:56.440
with multiple splices,
01:51:56.440 --> 01:52:00.050
we have short wooden
poles that were burnt charred
01:52:00.050 --> 01:52:01.960
very badly in the rim fire,
01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:03.280
which was over eight years ago.
01:52:03.280 --> 01:52:04.910
Those poles are still here
01:52:04.910 --> 01:52:08.773
and just overall very poor
dangerous equipment.
01:52:10.120 --> 01:52:14.580
I've asked PG&E about
upgrading the equipment
01:52:14.580 --> 01:52:18.358
and providing covered
insulated cables, conductor so that
01:52:18.358 --> 01:52:20.543
there won't be such a fire risk.
01:52:21.870 --> 01:52:23.730
They told me they would only do,
01:52:23.730 --> 01:52:25.550
enhanced vegetation management
01:52:25.550 --> 01:52:28.900
and regular vegetation
management in this area.
01:52:28.900 --> 01:52:33.410
It enhances a disaster because
as Mr. Tom McCartney of PG&E
01:52:33.410 --> 01:52:36.560
told the Bureau Board of Forestry,
01:52:36.560 --> 01:52:39.360
even live green trees are
a threat to their power lines.
01:52:39.360 --> 01:52:40.193
So why is that?
01:52:40.193 --> 01:52:42.330
That's because the power lines are so
01:52:42.330 --> 01:52:45.470
weak and terrible and
spliced and dangerous.
01:52:45.470 --> 01:52:49.240
So what they're doing is
they're marking every tree.
01:52:49.240 --> 01:52:51.310
that's tall enough
to hit the power lines
01:52:51.310 --> 01:52:53.093
regardless of the condition.
01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:56.730
In my case I had a registered
professional Forester,
01:52:56.730 --> 01:53:00.380
Mr. Glenn Glasgow, he's a
retired deputy superintendent
01:53:00.380 --> 01:53:02.230
for the U.S. Forest Service,
01:53:02.230 --> 01:53:07.230
50 year Forester and
expert in tree mortality.
01:53:07.940 --> 01:53:10.551
And he inspected the
trees that they marked found
01:53:10.551 --> 01:53:13.900
that over 85% of them,
were not hazard trees
01:53:13.900 --> 01:53:16.650
were just merely tall enough
to strike the power lines.
01:53:17.690 --> 01:53:21.230
There's a big void
here, in that situation
01:53:21.230 --> 01:53:26.133
in that Public Utility PRC
full resource code 4295.5
01:53:28.047 --> 01:53:31.420
polls for requires--
(bell ringing)
01:53:31.420 --> 01:53:33.220
Wow, it's really done.
01:53:33.220 --> 01:53:35.230
Okay, how do I sum up?
01:53:35.230 --> 01:53:38.610
Basically that went really fast, sorry.
01:53:38.610 --> 01:53:42.290
Basically, I hope that
one Commissioner will poll
01:53:42.290 --> 01:53:44.810
the safety compliance
from the Consent Agenda.
01:53:44.810 --> 01:53:46.373
I'll send the rest of my information in,
01:53:46.373 --> 01:53:49.300
by a written comment
01:53:49.300 --> 01:53:51.270
basically hoping that
he will set up a format
01:53:51.270 --> 01:53:54.950
with an administrative
hearing as required by the law
01:53:54.950 --> 01:53:58.190
so that property owners
can have a second opinion
01:53:58.190 --> 01:54:02.245
an objective opinion before
their trees get cut down.
01:54:02.245 --> 01:54:05.060
But mainly we want to
have a program where
01:54:05.060 --> 01:54:06.690
there's some cost sharing
01:54:06.690 --> 01:54:09.750
option for private property
owners to participate in
01:54:09.750 --> 01:54:12.964
the cost of under
grounding because PG&E.
01:54:12.964 --> 01:54:14.661
(bell ringing)
01:54:14.661 --> 01:54:19.661
Stated they will not
kick in costs for that--
01:54:19.906 --> 01:54:22.383
Mr. Courtney If you could
01:54:22.383 --> 01:54:24.980
send in the rest of your comments.
01:54:24.980 --> 01:54:26.651
Okay yes I will,
thank you for your time
01:54:26.651 --> 01:54:28.910
and thanks for listening
to all these comments.
01:54:28.910 --> 01:54:29.760
Yeah thank you.
01:54:30.827 --> 01:54:32.527
Okay, operator next caller please.
01:54:39.140 --> 01:54:41.030
Robert, I think you're gonna
have to call the next caller,
01:54:41.030 --> 01:54:43.373
I think we've lost the operator.
01:54:44.730 --> 01:54:46.740
Yes President Batjer.
01:54:46.740 --> 01:54:48.920
Our next caller is David McCord.
01:54:48.920 --> 01:54:50.370
Mr. McCord, you may go ahead.
01:54:54.160 --> 01:54:56.630
President Badger,
it looks like I lost my
01:54:59.220 --> 01:55:02.440
horizon connection, it
looks like all the callers
01:55:02.440 --> 01:55:04.980
over in queue there
was approximately five
01:55:04.980 --> 01:55:05.893
have been dropped.
01:55:07.150 --> 01:55:08.940
Can you hear me?
01:55:08.940 --> 01:55:11.400
Yes. Mr. McCord, we can
hear you, go ahead please.
01:55:11.400 --> 01:55:16.250
Okay I'm a
rate payers in El Cerritos
01:55:16.250 --> 01:55:20.580
and get my energy from the CCA MCE
01:55:23.380 --> 01:55:28.380
and I'd like the Commission
to require a PG&E
01:55:33.660 --> 01:55:38.660
to provide smart meter
data real time to CCAs
01:55:42.790 --> 01:55:47.790
so they can help to prevent
rolling blackouts, thank you.
01:55:52.930 --> 01:55:54.900
Thank you, Mr. McCord.
01:55:54.900 --> 01:55:58.063
Robert, are we back
connected with horizon?
01:56:00.563 --> 01:56:02.396
Yes President Batjer.
01:56:02.396 --> 01:56:06.229
Just one
moment, just getting in.
01:56:09.971 --> 01:56:12.138
(mumbles)
01:56:12.981 --> 01:56:14.560
This is the operator,
I'm just getting in
01:56:14.560 --> 01:56:17.873
Holly lost her connection
I will be here in a sec.
01:56:18.917 --> 01:56:21.193
Okay lets all hold
for just a moment.
01:56:22.630 --> 01:56:27.630
Some technical difficulties
with our connection to horizon.
01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:30.920
The viewer was the
next participant that you had
01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:32.413
with the Public Comment.
01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:37.827
Faith Grant,
take one moment please.
01:56:56.290 --> 01:56:58.750
Faith Grant
your line is open.
01:56:58.750 --> 01:57:00.930
Thank you, good afternoon
01:57:00.930 --> 01:57:03.010
president and Commissioners.
01:57:03.010 --> 01:57:05.407
My name is faith Grant
and I represent the
01:57:05.407 --> 01:57:09.160
Conejo Climate Coalition, Ventura County
01:57:09.160 --> 01:57:13.350
and the cities of Thousand
Oaks, Ventura, Oxnard and Ojai
01:57:13.350 --> 01:57:17.080
adopted the 100%
renewable energy default
01:57:17.080 --> 01:57:21.410
and use more renewable energy
than any County in the nation.
01:57:21.410 --> 01:57:25.410
And we are the fastest
warming County in the nation.
01:57:25.410 --> 01:57:27.560
We are determined to
be leaders with solutions to
01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:29.500
climate change and pollution.
01:57:29.500 --> 01:57:33.670
That includes reducing and
shifting loads during heat waves.
01:57:33.670 --> 01:57:37.110
So there is no excuse
for burning fossil fuels.
01:57:37.110 --> 01:57:39.530
We want our rate payers on the best
01:57:39.530 --> 01:57:44.523
demand response programs,
built on next day use data.
01:57:45.440 --> 01:57:48.140
The Commission must require the IOUs,
01:57:48.140 --> 01:57:49.500
to stop breaking the law
01:57:49.500 --> 01:57:52.220
and start providing smart meter data
01:57:52.220 --> 01:57:56.050
on a day after basis to CCAs, thank you.
01:57:58.772 --> 01:58:01.460
Thank you, next caller please.
01:58:01.460 --> 01:58:03.520
Operator or Robert,
01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:06.100
would you bring on
the next caller please?
01:58:06.100 --> 01:58:09.930
Operator I am showing
Laura Rosenberg Hyder
01:58:09.930 --> 01:58:10.963
as the next caller.
01:58:12.080 --> 01:58:13.863
Thank you,
one moment please.
01:58:15.280 --> 01:58:16.680
Laura your line is now open.
01:58:18.150 --> 01:58:21.840
Hello, if
PG&E provides less proof
01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:24.150
of safety we rate payers
will have to pay more
01:58:24.150 --> 01:58:28.140
of the cost of a wildfire and
01:58:31.250 --> 01:58:33.350
to better regulate the grid,
01:58:33.350 --> 01:58:36.950
CCAs need access to smart meter data.
01:58:36.950 --> 01:58:37.950
All right thank you.
01:58:40.260 --> 01:58:42.853
Thank you okay.
01:58:44.040 --> 01:58:45.283
The next caller please.
01:58:47.450 --> 01:58:51.267
Operator I'm
showing in Truda bilcon
01:58:51.267 --> 01:58:52.433
as the next caller.
01:59:05.008 --> 01:59:06.320
Have we lost the line again?
01:59:06.320 --> 01:59:07.370
Robert, can you tell?
01:59:09.610 --> 01:59:10.910
It looks
like we have unless
01:59:10.910 --> 01:59:12.370
the operator chimes in,
01:59:12.370 --> 01:59:15.663
we cannot locate
Ms. bilcon at this time.
01:59:16.758 --> 01:59:18.380
Are there any other
callers on the line
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that you can tell Robert?
01:59:20.870 --> 01:59:23.320
Nothing I'm
aware of President Batjer.
01:59:24.710 --> 01:59:27.150
Okay, I'm sorry
we're having the
01:59:27.150 --> 01:59:29.143
technical difficulties that we are,
01:59:30.180 --> 01:59:32.963
just checking one last
time about the operator.
01:59:34.930 --> 01:59:36.760
Yes, I'm
standing by I do not see
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that person is currently on the line.
01:59:39.120 --> 01:59:41.083
Is there anybody
else on the line?
01:59:44.050 --> 01:59:46.003
Let me check for
you one moment, please.
01:59:56.850 --> 01:59:58.853
There is a Nancy Macy in the queue.
02:00:01.180 --> 02:00:03.350
All right, lets have them.
your line is open.
02:00:03.350 --> 02:00:05.160
Wonderful, thank you.
02:00:05.160 --> 02:00:09.059
I hope you can hear me
okay, I am in the car traveling.
02:00:09.059 --> 02:00:10.850
I appreciate...
No we can hear you.
02:00:10.850 --> 02:00:12.540
Oh, good thank you.
02:00:12.540 --> 02:00:14.500
It's good to talk to
you President Batjer
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and members of the Commission.
02:00:15.860 --> 02:00:18.870
I Nancy Macy chair of
the Valley Women's Clubs
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environmental committee
for the San Lorenzo Valley.
02:00:22.310 --> 02:00:24.840
where we are in the Santa
Cruz Coastal Mountains
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having suffered from a severe wildfire
02:00:28.040 --> 02:00:30.200
and we're struggling to recover
02:00:30.200 --> 02:00:34.410
and TG&E has made it
considerably worse by illegal activity
02:00:34.410 --> 02:00:35.703
of clearing trees.
02:00:36.850 --> 02:00:40.120
We strongly oppose any
granting of the Safety Certificate,
02:00:40.120 --> 02:00:41.750
You've heard the reason,
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regarding the enhanced
oversight process.
02:00:44.610 --> 02:00:47.700
The focus, I agree with
it the focus however,
02:00:47.700 --> 02:00:50.880
should be on the failing infrastructure
02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:53.740
not just enhanced vegetation management,
02:00:53.740 --> 02:00:57.203
which is actually less at
fault than the infrastructure.
02:00:58.080 --> 02:00:59.550
I would like to stress
to stress that PG&E
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is being allowed to retain
outdated unsafe infrastructure
02:01:03.910 --> 02:01:06.860
in both transmission
and distribution systems.
02:01:06.860 --> 02:01:10.310
This decades long failure to modernize
02:01:10.310 --> 02:01:13.600
is a severe emergency situation now,
02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:15.820
that must be addressed quickly.
02:01:15.820 --> 02:01:18.870
There are two aspects to consider,
02:01:18.870 --> 02:01:22.380
first is the failure of the CPUC itself
02:01:22.380 --> 02:01:25.280
to update geo 95 and the other
02:01:25.280 --> 02:01:28.210
geo regulations
affecting infrastructure.
02:01:28.210 --> 02:01:30.660
There's no mention of circuit breakers.
02:01:30.660 --> 02:01:35.660
That's a basic electronic
requirement in most systems.
02:01:35.800 --> 02:01:38.300
You've already heard about
the over 20,000 miles of
02:01:38.300 --> 02:01:41.970
antiquated thin bear
multiply size copper wire,
02:01:41.970 --> 02:01:44.850
that continues to
threaten cities and towns
02:01:44.850 --> 02:01:49.000
and rural areas and especially
the high fire threat areas.
02:01:49.000 --> 02:01:52.470
But what about the bare
aluminum wires along the coast,
02:01:52.470 --> 02:01:57.470
that are easily corroded
by saltwater, salt air
02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:00.823
and are causing issues there.
02:02:02.600 --> 02:02:05.070
It's really important to
take action to remedy
02:02:05.070 --> 02:02:08.750
this year election of
CPUC responsibility.
02:02:08.750 --> 02:02:13.120
Second though, is to mandate
PG&E massively speed up
02:02:13.120 --> 02:02:16.510
the hardening and
modernization of its system,
02:02:16.510 --> 02:02:19.830
until this is done--
(bell ringing)
02:02:19.830 --> 02:02:20.663
until this is done,
02:02:20.663 --> 02:02:24.510
we are guaranteed disastrous
spot wildfires ongoing
02:02:24.510 --> 02:02:27.970
and we are guaranteed the
inadequate mitigation attempts
02:02:27.970 --> 02:02:31.570
at PSPS and the
environmentally destructive
02:02:31.570 --> 02:02:33.950
enhanced vegetation management.
02:02:33.950 --> 02:02:36.660
None of that is proving effective.
02:02:36.660 --> 02:02:40.209
The only thing that
will work-- (mumbles)
02:02:40.209 --> 02:02:41.042
I'm done!
02:02:42.890 --> 02:02:43.723
Thank you.
02:02:43.723 --> 02:02:45.840
Thank you very much
for my opportunity to speak.
02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:49.083
Okay, thank you operator
the next caller please.
02:02:50.990 --> 02:02:52.960
And at this time
we have no additional callers
02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:55.460
in the Public Comment telephone line.
02:02:55.460 --> 02:02:57.103
Okay thank you operator.
02:02:58.740 --> 02:03:01.770
With no additional callers on the line,
02:03:01.770 --> 02:03:04.230
the Public Comment period is now closed.
02:03:04.230 --> 02:03:06.820
Thank you all who participated today.
02:03:06.820 --> 02:03:08.853
Appreciate all the calls and comments.
02:03:10.510 --> 02:03:12.313
Moving on into our agenda.
02:03:14.070 --> 02:03:18.393
Let me go over the
changes in the agenda today.
02:03:19.290 --> 02:03:23.420
Item two will be held until the
Commission meeting on 5621.
02:03:24.810 --> 02:03:26.850
Items six has been withdrawn.
02:03:26.850 --> 02:03:31.090
Item seven will be taken up
with the regular agenda today.
02:03:31.090 --> 02:03:34.270
Item 11 will be held until the
02:03:34.270 --> 02:03:36.920
five, six, 21 Commission meeting.
02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:40.810
Item 20 held until the five,
six, 21 Commission meeting.
02:03:40.810 --> 02:03:44.800
Item 37 held to the five,
six 21 Commission meeting.
02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:49.520
and item 37A, held to the five,
six, 21 Commission meeting.
02:03:49.520 --> 02:03:53.443
Item 44 will be taken up with
the Consent Agenda today.
02:03:53.443 --> 02:03:57.272
Item 45, will be held until the
02:03:57.272 --> 02:03:59.480
five, six, 21 Commission meeting.
02:03:59.480 --> 02:04:03.410
Item 46 will be taken up
with the Consent Agenda today
02:04:03.410 --> 02:04:04.993
as well items 50.
02:04:06.320 --> 02:04:11.320
All right, this is the
changes for today's agenda.
02:04:12.363 --> 02:04:16.793
I will accept a motion for the consent.
02:04:18.080 --> 02:04:19.740
I mean, excuse me.
02:04:19.740 --> 02:04:21.380
Sorry, I've got ahead of myself.
02:04:21.380 --> 02:04:24.873
Let's now move on with
the changes underway.
02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:29.150
Let's now move on to the Consent Agenda.
02:04:29.150 --> 02:04:32.643
I will accept a motion
for the Consent Agenda.
02:04:34.340 --> 02:04:35.173
So move.
02:04:36.070 --> 02:04:37.330
Second it.
02:04:37.330 --> 02:04:38.890
Its been moved and seconded.
02:04:38.890 --> 02:04:40.760
Will the agenda clerk
please call the roll
02:04:40.760 --> 02:04:42.213
for the Consent Agenda.
02:04:43.610 --> 02:04:45.023
Commissioner Houck.
02:04:45.910 --> 02:04:46.743
Yes.
02:04:47.710 --> 02:04:49.780
Commissioner Shiroma.
02:04:49.780 --> 02:04:50.613
I.
02:04:51.540 --> 02:04:53.521
Commission
Rechtschaffen.
02:04:53.521 --> 02:04:55.220
Yes.
02:04:55.220 --> 02:04:57.320
Commissioner
Guzman Aceves.
02:04:57.320 --> 02:04:58.750
I.
02:04:58.750 --> 02:05:00.970
President Batjer.
02:05:00.970 --> 02:05:05.020
Yes, the Consent Agenda
has passed unanimously.
02:05:05.020 --> 02:05:08.100
I'll now turn to Commissioner
Guzman Aceves who will
02:05:08.100 --> 02:05:10.283
like to make remarks on item 16.
02:05:11.670 --> 02:05:13.480
President Batjer I'll
pass on my comments.
02:05:13.480 --> 02:05:15.110
Thank you very much.
02:05:15.110 --> 02:05:17.267
Thank you, all right
Commissioner Rechtschaffen
02:05:17.267 --> 02:05:19.450
and I believe you would
like to make remarks
02:05:19.450 --> 02:05:21.493
on item 19 and item 22.
02:05:22.760 --> 02:05:24.070
Thank you, President Batjer.
02:05:24.070 --> 02:05:26.270
These are two resolutions
02:05:26.270 --> 02:05:29.340
which approved reliability contracts
02:05:29.340 --> 02:05:32.440
under our integrated resource
planning proceeding for
02:05:32.440 --> 02:05:36.270
both PG&E and SDG&E.
02:05:36.270 --> 02:05:41.270
As many of you recall in
2019 in the IRP process,
02:05:42.660 --> 02:05:46.930
we found a compelling
need for new generation
02:05:46.930 --> 02:05:49.770
in the immediate time period,
02:05:49.770 --> 02:05:54.690
the next couple of
years, 2021 through 2023.
02:05:54.690 --> 02:05:59.400
We ordered all of the
various load serving entities
02:05:59.400 --> 02:06:04.400
to procure 3,300 megawatts
of new net qualifying capacity.
02:06:06.340 --> 02:06:07.970
And we told them to do that
02:06:07.970 --> 02:06:11.260
in three different tranches
that would come online
02:06:11.260 --> 02:06:16.260
in 2021 and 2022, then 2023.
02:06:16.290 --> 02:06:20.430
So in these resolutions
what we just approved
02:06:20.430 --> 02:06:25.430
are the last bits of the
procurement for PG&E and SDG&E.
02:06:27.070 --> 02:06:32.070
And the good news is that
both of the utilities have met
02:06:32.170 --> 02:06:35.350
the portions of the
overall 3,300 megawatts
02:06:35.350 --> 02:06:37.580
that they were assigned to.
02:06:37.580 --> 02:06:41.550
And these two resolutions
together approved
02:06:41.550 --> 02:06:45.980
over 500 megawatts of
new clean energy resources.
02:06:45.980 --> 02:06:49.420
It's primarily battery storage.
02:06:49.420 --> 02:06:53.580
And more importantly, if you
take a look at the big picture
02:06:53.580 --> 02:06:56.650
we're still analyzing all the data,
02:06:56.650 --> 02:06:58.570
but from what we know now
02:07:00.240 --> 02:07:02.500
from what we've been
getting from all the votes
02:07:02.500 --> 02:07:04.740
of the entities and their reports
02:07:04.740 --> 02:07:08.740
on their progress toward
meeting their individual mandates.
02:07:08.740 --> 02:07:12.760
Based on that, I'm
optimistic that we as a state
02:07:12.760 --> 02:07:17.760
will obtain the necessary
3,300 megawatts on time.
02:07:18.150 --> 02:07:21.480
Many of these resources
will come online this summer
02:07:21.480 --> 02:07:24.520
and we've talked about some
of this in our earlier meetings
02:07:24.520 --> 02:07:27.840
which will help prevent
rolling outages that we
02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:30.260
experienced last summer.
02:07:30.260 --> 02:07:34.250
And just a reminder of
the overall context of this.
02:07:34.250 --> 02:07:39.250
We authorized votes of the
entities to procure resources
02:07:39.270 --> 02:07:41.770
for new or existing generation.
02:07:41.770 --> 02:07:44.770
We said you cannot
procure new fossil fuel
02:07:44.770 --> 02:07:47.470
generation, that's prohibited.
02:07:47.470 --> 02:07:49.030
So that's all good news.
02:07:49.030 --> 02:07:52.323
And I wanna also highlight
briefly a small but interesting
02:07:52.323 --> 02:07:56.480
contract that's among
those we're approving.
02:07:56.480 --> 02:07:58.050
This is a PG&E contract.
02:07:58.050 --> 02:08:02.840
It's a long term resource
adequacy contract
02:08:02.840 --> 02:08:07.840
and it's for 27 megawatts
of behind the meter storage
02:08:08.080 --> 02:08:09.830
lithium ion batteries.
02:08:09.830 --> 02:08:12.650
There'll be located at several sites.
02:08:12.650 --> 02:08:16.450
And this project is
really starting to resemble
02:08:16.450 --> 02:08:18.760
this virtual power plant concept
02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:19.890
that we've heard a lot about,
02:08:19.890 --> 02:08:23.240
we've been developing
in several proceedings.
02:08:23.240 --> 02:08:25.230
I'm very encouraged by this project
02:08:25.230 --> 02:08:27.610
and I'm hopeful that
these kinds of innovative
02:08:28.730 --> 02:08:31.980
distributed resources will
play a big role in the future
02:08:31.980 --> 02:08:35.840
and helping us to maintain
in fortified grid resilience
02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:39.583
without relying on fossil
fuel resources, thank you.
02:08:41.860 --> 02:08:43.760
Thank you, Commissioner
Rechtschaffen.
02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:46.560
We are going to take a break now,
02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:49.520
before we take up the regular agenda.
02:08:49.520 --> 02:08:51.430
So I would ask all of you
02:08:52.660 --> 02:08:54.180
to return at
02:08:55.970 --> 02:08:57.510
we'll say one o'clock,
02:08:57.510 --> 02:09:01.100
so we'll take a 45 minutes recess.
02:09:01.100 --> 02:09:02.190
So thank you all.
02:09:09.980 --> 02:09:11.930
At this time there
will be a 45 minute break
02:09:11.930 --> 02:09:14.340
an the call will resume
at 1:00 p.m. Pacific time
02:09:14.340 --> 02:09:16.860
there will be music until
the conference resumes.
02:09:18.099 --> 02:09:20.516
(slow music)