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Thank you Katie.
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This meeting of the Public Utility Commission
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of Texas will come to
order to consider matters
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that have been duly posted
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with the Secretary of State
for Wednesday, April 7th, 2021.
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I'm gonna do the Consent Agenda manually.
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So I'm gonna call up the following items.
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Item 11, docket 558.
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Item 29, docket number 51698.
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Item 31, docket number 50665.
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And item 33, docket number 51494.
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Proposed orders have been
filed in each of these dockets.
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I have no changes to those
orders or any comments to add.
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So I will approve those orders
in items 11, 29, 31 and 33.
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Okay, items 1 through 7 will not be taken up.
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Item number 8, Connie.
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This is the... this is our review
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of the ERCOT scarcity pricing mechanism.
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I'd like to thank the
stakeholders for all the comments.
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There were really valuable
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in helping me think through these issues.
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And I know you're all very
busy, so thank you for staff
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and stakeholders and staff for the memo.
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That was really helpful.
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I think, you know, what occurs to me,
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the one thing I think we probably all agree
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on that needs to be
fixed is the 50 times FIP.
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It does not make sense
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and obviously can lead
to sort of absurd results.
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And so, Connie I was wondering
if you could draft a proposal
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that eliminates the 50 times FIP provision.
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And I think right now my
inclination is to replace it
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with a make-whole provision instead.
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I thought it was one
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of the stakeholder's
comments recommended that
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but we can obviously change that
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if we think there's reason to go off of that,
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but that's where I'm headed right now.
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There may be other changes
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to this role that are needed obviously
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but I think we should (clears throat) wait
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and see how the conversation
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on market design develops at the legislature
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and at ERCOT before we,
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you know we can always
reopen this rule if we need
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to do more to it
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but I think we might as well get move forward
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on 50 time FIP while we can.
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Okay we'll prepare that for publication
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and we could potentially have that
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to you at the next meeting.
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Okay, thank you, Connie.
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Okay, Items 9 and 10 will not be taken up.
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Items 11, item 11 was consented already.
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Item 12, docket number 50302.
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This is a wholesale T costs case
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where the petitioner is electric co-op.
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And it raises an interesting
statutory question
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I think we need briefing on.
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And that question is
whether a co-op can recover
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Rate-Case Expenses
under the statute in our rules.
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We, right now we're referring
to Commission Rule 25.245
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as a basis for the co-op
collecting Rate-Case Expenses.
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But the way I read that
it only applies to utilities
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and munies not to co-ops.
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As we know, we have fairly limited authority
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over co-ops in the pure provision
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for Rate-Case Expenses
36.061 also doesn't appear
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to apply to co-op.
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So I would like some
briefing on that question
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on whether we can, co-ops
can get Rate-Case Expenses
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under the statute and our rules.
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And second, a subsidiary question,
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if they do or they authorized
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to recover Rate-Case Expenses?
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I think we need a little clarification
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on the tariff language that was proposed here
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because as written the tariff would allow
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Rio Grande Electric to charge annual, monthly
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and daily Rate-Case Expense surcharge
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so I like them to clarify how they plan,
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what interval they would like to choose
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so that we can fix the tariff.
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So with that, I move...
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Just to instruct
us if you're briefing orders.
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Yeah, we'll issue a briefing order
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on that thank you, Steven.
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Item 13, docket 50485.
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This is a CCN for a transmission line.
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The agreed route 4 follows
a 42 inch natural gas pipeline
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right away for about
half of the routes length.
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That's not prohibited, although we did remove
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that as a preference in the
rule, but you know, as we know
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we have a long history
with this issue particularly
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that raises public safety concerns
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because electric transmission lines,
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in some circumstances
paralleling gas pipelines
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can create corrosion and
leaks and a 42 inch pipeline
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that's a very bad thing.
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So I don't know if it's an issue here or not,
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but it does, it has alerted us to the fact
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that the pipeline company it's not clear
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that they were ever notified
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or that they're supposed
to have been notified even.
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And so I would like some
briefing on that question.
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Do our notice rules even apply
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to pipeline easement owners.
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And the way I would read that is are those,
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would they show up in the tax rules?
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My guess is how that might work,
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but I don't wanna prejudge that.
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I'd like to get some briefing order on,
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you know 225283 and 83D in particular
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where it talks about the
notice of the owners of land
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and does that include pipeline easement owner
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under our rules?
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And then I guess once we get that answered
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we can think more about how we wanna think
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about pipeline cases and
the public safety issues
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that arise inside of them.
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So just direct us or the issue.
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Okay sorry yeah.
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I would direct the documented management
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to please issue a briefing on that issue.
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Okay, next is item 14, docket 50669.
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We have oral argument in this case.
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So I would Katie, would
you please open the lines
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to the oral argument participants?
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Damian Mallet, Patrick
Resnick, Don Kirkpatrick
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and Jim McClure.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen,
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if you'd like to make a comment or speak,
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please press one then zero at this time.
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Once again, one zero.
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It'll be a moment while we open a line.
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It's possible that we have more
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than these four (indistinct) to other parties
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(clears throat)
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Okay go on number 19,
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Damian your lines open please go ahead.
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Okay Good morning everybody,
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it's Damian Mallet thank you for your time.
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This been unusual but I
have some prepared remarks.
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I would have loved
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to have you guys have my preferred remarks
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would have been easier to
follow but I'll try to be clear.
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I only got the heads up on the
meeting yesterday at midday.
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So, I didn't have time,
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but anyway I like to start by saying
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you might have already made up your mind,
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but to be honest, we're quite surprised
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to find ourselves here.
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We are surprised
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when our original position was not accepted.
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(clears throat)
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We hired good representation
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on what we felt is really compelling okay.
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Our lawyer presented...
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we had a very longstanding relationship
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with you and had been
successful in many similar matters.
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But anyway, (clears
throat) the first number one,
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I have 10 points.
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And number one is, the first line
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on the Public Utility
Commission objectives website is
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to protect the customers.
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This is the first line literally first word,
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protect customers and PUC stated objectives
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also on decided on a project is
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to make sure damage is done proportionally
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among the whole parties and
not one party billing uneven
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and significantly more harm.
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(clears throat)
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So let's talk about the
human effect of the EMF
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or the electromagnetic field
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from high voltage transmission line.
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And this is according to
WHO not a blog on the internet.
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It can cause number one,
headache, a deep anxiety,
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insomnia, burning skin, rashes, muscle pain.
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This is a status on the WHO website.
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The risk of cancer and
leukemia it's very loud and clear
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in the literature.
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Risk of new degenerative diseases
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and miscarriage are clear.
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Our family, I'm not the only one affected
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by that exposure but at
least 20 other family affected.
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As a matter of fact, route
2 especially the most,
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the most of human exposure.
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(clears throat)
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Number four, animals
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and livestock exposure come straight voltage
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and EMF electromagnetic
fields can harm livestock.
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And this is not again, some
blog, a jury awarded $850,000
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to a couple affected over
effect of stray voltage on cows.
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And this is published in the
Milwaukee journal Sentinel
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in February 5th, 2004.
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Furthermore, the utility
company was found liable
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for stray voltage according to the high court
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and this was published in
Milwaukee journal Sentinel
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in June 26, 2003.
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(clears throat)
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Number five, the plant and crop exposure.
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The electromagnetic field
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from high voltage transmission
lines reduced significantly
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crop and plant growth.
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How about the property values?
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That's number six.
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(clears throat)
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Multiple studies have shown
high voltage transmission line
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located next to or on a property
would the decrease value
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from 10 to 40% on average
and the reference available up
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in the request for this.
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So how about family exposure?
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Well, currently, I'm not
sure if you guys are aware,
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currently high voltage transmission lines
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around the one mile across my farm, extending
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from a Southeast to the Northeast part
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of that farm it divides, my
farm really in half in one part.
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And you can look on the map for 55, 56
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and 96 this is a current transmission line
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on all these parts.
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Proposed route two were drawn in front
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of almost every part of my
property in front of everything
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and literally box our farm
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from all directions that
will add another mile
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of high voltage transmission lines
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sorry this thing one mile.
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We would have high voltage
surrounding the property
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from East to West, North
to South with two miles
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of high-voltage transmission line.
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On your map, route 2 will
be involving 55, 56, 94, 95, 96.
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That's essentially all of my property
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and high voltage line would affect everything
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and every part.
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I don't think you see,
would find any fairness
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in this proposal in our approval.
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That's excessive and blind
abuse for a single family
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if they pulled the brunt of this route 2.
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Number eight, very short time
ago I made a huge investment.
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I spent my 24 years hard
earned money on this property
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and without doubt route 2 would significantly
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and disproportionally lower my property value
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to the number of acres
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and distance of high voltage
transmission line crossing.
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(clears throat)
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Who's going to reimburse for this?
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And any minimal reimbursement
would not make me whole
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in my investment.
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I'm deep in this investment
since I got the property
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over a million dollars spend buying farming
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and construction equipment,
cattle and crop development.
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In the short time, we
are really deep into it.
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And in addition, to the
tremendous sacrifices away
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from my family working sometimes up
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to 18 hours a day with my boys.
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Number nine. (clears throat)
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I would challenge anybody to
produce any single family farm
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affected as potentially route
2 would affect my family farm
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and all the affected.
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On the final note I was told
cost of route 2 is the lowest.
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Then does this small increase worth the risk
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to the almost 20 family
lives where they're more
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of the electric company has
much larger, deeper pockets
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than having me alone bear
the significant financial damage.
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And I'm not even remotely on the same par
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as the electric company.
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Our company it would
cover the cost in short time.
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I would never ever make the damage myself.
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Anybody can see the failing in this scenario.
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I was told by somebody that
I'm wasting my time talking here
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because it's all politics and everybody made
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up their mind.
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I said, I want it to be heard.
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I still believe in the system
and then the mission objective
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that created PUC, fairness and protection.
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PUC was created not serve this strong
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and rich company, but to
protect customers and citizens
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of our great state from the abuse of the big
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and powerful company.
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Finally, I really thank you all for your time
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and I hope you would consider
the huge damage route 2
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would bring on our family farm.
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Damage that's unfair,
unjust and disproportionate
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to other up, I would urge the Commission
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to reject route 2 and
consider alternative route
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that's fair, just and balanced
among involved party,
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bless you all, thank you.
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And we will now hear from Don Kirkpatrick.
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Your honor, thank
you for the opportunity to speak
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to you today.
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Well I am an intervener
and several the routes would
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that's been proposed would
actually cross my property.
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I Also serve as Bexar County
judge here in Bexar County.
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Of all the interveners only one
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and that being Mallet farm opposes route 2.
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Route 2 best meets the
regulatory and statutory criteria.
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Route 2 is the shortest
route being 2.57 miles.
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Route 2 is the least
expensive being 4,185,000.
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Route 2 only has two habitable structures.
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Route 2 has 93% of its length paralleling
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existing transmission right away.
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Route 2 crosses no
parks or recreational areas.
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Route 2 does not cross any land irrigated
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by traveling systems, does
not cross any cemeteries
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or cultural resource sites,
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does not cross any national
registry of historic sites.
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While I do respect
Mr. Mallet, no one ever wants it
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to cross their property.
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There is no comparison between route 2
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and route 6M that they have proposed.
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Route 6M is the sixth largest,
longest route would cost
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over $2 million more than route 2.
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Route 6M has several habitable structures
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among the highest of any route.
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Route 6M only has 77%
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of its lane paralleling existing
transmission right away.
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While serving as Bexar County judge
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I've had the responsibility
to deal with local disasters.
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One we've had three tornadoes systems,
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one in Van in 2015, that wiped out a large...
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We had fatalities and
stuff in the city of Van.
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2017 we had a major come from the South end
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of the County went all the
way through the County,
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out the North side
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while we had 30 ambulances
operating within that disaster.
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And then we're setting
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up local command centers and 30 ambulances.
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We had power lines, trees, debris.
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We had people coming in
that was missing body parts.
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By reminder, I had the responsibility to ask
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for help from taskforce one, task force two
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to come in and start looking
for bodies, trapped victims
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in homes and stuff.
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It's a huge responsibility as County judge
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when it's your sole responsibility, you know
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you have citizens out there,
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that's waiting and they're trapped.
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They're waiting for help to arrive.
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And we're going from door to door.
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I would ask that the PUC choose route 2,
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choose the shortest route
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so that when we do deal
with tornadoes and disasters
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that we couldn't even get
ambulances down the roads for the
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to the victims that were
trapped because of power lines.
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I always believe it's in the best interest to
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and I'm coming to you
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from County judge choose the shortest line.
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And that would be route 2.
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It's the least expensive, is the shortest
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that would affect the
least amount of individuals.
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And I thank you for the opportunity to speak
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to you today as County judge,
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we, you know, we're under
two declarations now, COVID
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and also the winter storm.
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Thank you for what you do.
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Thank you for your service.
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I know we all in these leadership positions,
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we get attacked,
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we get criticized, we do the
best we can for the citizens.
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And I know you will thank you
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for the opportunity to speaking to you today.
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Thank you.
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And we will now hear from James McClure.
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Yes, can you hear me?
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Yes, sir I can hear you.
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Okay, so first of all like all the others
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that have spoken before me,
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I really appreciate you
being able to hear us today.
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And I do ask that y'all
forgive me for my allergies.
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I have a lot of drainage,
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so I might go (clears throat) sometimes
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and I don't mean to do that disrespectfully.
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But I would like to
mention, first of all the points
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that I had 'cause I like Don
Kirkpatrick, propose route 2.
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And I'd like to mention all of those
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but I wanted to make a
couple of comments about what
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Mr. Resnick said, the amount of farms.
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Then some of them I could
understand where they're coming
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from if I may from their viewpoint.
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Well, first of all
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we have a proposal for this decision could
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may have administrative launch yet
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that I believe it was a 39 page dissertation
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with the well that was searched
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with all the legal ramifications switch
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not being an attorney,
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but anyway they of course
recommended route 2.
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He has heard all of the testimony.
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He told in his relation to Mr. Resnick
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and all of us for that matters.
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But I'd like to reiterate some
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of these situations that
Resnick talked about too.
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First of all the call route
6M the way I understand it.
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And from about farms
on the docket that they did
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on the require which was $6,429,212.
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Route two is $4,185,088
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which is a difference or $2,244,124
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which obviously that's going
to make a heavier burden
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on the rate payers.
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Power engineers recommend route two
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and there's two reasons that
you don't have time to go into
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but somebody wants to know
page 10 and 11 about route two
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on this docket.
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SWEPCO also recommends
route two page 10 also of the same
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so there were saying show the videos
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of Texas parks and wildlife
recommend route one
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which is almost identical to route two which
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to set the job up there on the top of it.
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And that was on page three and four
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of item 42 on his docket.
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And they mentioned that 93%
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of route 201 in the one paralleling 93%
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avoid fragmenting intact lands
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and not changing the
features of landowners property
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like the Southern that's
been including checks
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in sending them the
way I understand it put it
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prudence avoidance is
one of the important factors
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in determining these routes.
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Route 6M which has
seven habitable structures,
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those habitable structures
have people in them, not at all
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and then route two only
has two habitable structures.
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Route two is the shortest of
all the 10 alternative routes
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at 2.57 miles.
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Route 6M if I have the right information is
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either 3.18 or 3.16 which is
six tenths of a mile shorter.
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Route two utilizes as mentioned parallel 93%
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of the route, as opposed I think that 77%.
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And Mallet farms in their post-hearing brief
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at 12/7/2020 states that no other routes
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of facility beside route two
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and 6M would have a less
negative impact on landowners
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which I'm hoping those are the only two
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that would be included.
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But let me just mention
real quick, Mr. Resnick,
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I think there was him.
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Said that they were mentioned
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they were concerned
about EMF and all of that.
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And I read that when I first found
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out about these things on the property.
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But they have the way I understand it,
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no houses on their property.
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So all this risk of cancer and all
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of that would be primarily
done on the cattle.
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And on the other route, route 6M
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we've got 7 habitable structures,
which have people in them.
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And of course the risks gonna share
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with people's lives and their families.
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That's something to consider.
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As far as property values,
we all are affected by that.
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But even though they have
600 and something acres
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if you add up the rest of the intervener's
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we had much more than that.
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So immediately they
have one piece of property
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that they have no habitable
structures on that property.
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So in any of that, thank
you so much for hearing
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but I have to say if the
Commission chooses route two
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is the best alternative route.
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Thank you.
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And we will now hear from Patrick Resnick.
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Good morning, your honor.
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This is Dr.Patrick Resnick,
and I am an attorney
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in this case representing the Mallet farms
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and Mister an Miss Mallet,
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Damian Mallet my client you've heard.
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First I just wanna emphasize what he stated.
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I know at this stage the
Commission is interested
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.390
in hearing from the landowners much more
00:24:57.390 --> 00:24:59.730
than their attorney.
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This is not a situation that costs
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or the length of the line wins the day
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but the Commission has historically looked
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at many other factors.
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And just because the majority
of the landowners do intervene
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in this case have suggested
that route two is better
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than that also does not win the day.
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This is a situation where
you have the Mallet farms
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which is the largest landowner
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that is already impacted
00:25:27.250 --> 00:25:31.400
by the Wood County Electric
Co-op existing transmission line
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that is being tied into,
00:25:33.550 --> 00:25:38.340
on route two at the PUC in option number one.
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We are advocating for route 6M
00:25:40.770 --> 00:25:44.620
which would end up further
South the option number two.
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Overall, this is a very
very short line project.
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The case that I'd like for the Commission
00:25:51.030 --> 00:25:55.753
to consider is PUC docket
number 38562, that's 38562.
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It's a 10 year old case
back in the credit days
00:26:02.610 --> 00:26:07.610
it was the ETT line that was
going into Wilbarger Hardiman
00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:12.390
for Knox Coddle, King
Motley and Dickens counties.
00:26:12.390 --> 00:26:15.690
Wagner ranch was the largest landowner
00:26:15.690 --> 00:26:17.810
in that particular project.
00:26:17.810 --> 00:26:22.413
He was also already burdened
by existing transmission lines.
00:26:22.413 --> 00:26:24.380
Similar to this situation.
00:26:24.380 --> 00:26:28.800
The Administrative Law
Judge recommended the route
00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:32.464
that the ETT wanted and other the majority
00:26:32.464 --> 00:26:34.840
of the other land owners wanted
00:26:34.840 --> 00:26:36.653
who were much smaller landowners.
00:26:37.810 --> 00:26:40.130
The Commission decided to take
00:26:40.130 --> 00:26:43.590
into consideration what I call the equities
00:26:43.590 --> 00:26:46.580
and the Commission decided
00:26:46.580 --> 00:26:49.350
that the Wagner ranch
had already been burdened
00:26:49.350 --> 00:26:50.700
by transmission lines.
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:55.270
And so the idea was how
do we minimize the impact
00:26:55.270 --> 00:26:57.200
to one landowner?
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.140
In this situation if one land
owner is being punished just
00:27:00.140 --> 00:27:03.720
because now that farms
owns the largest portion
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.560
of land and they do
have a habitable structure
00:27:06.560 --> 00:27:11.090
on this particular property
that will be impacted.
00:27:11.090 --> 00:27:13.360
And we're asking the Commission to look
00:27:13.360 --> 00:27:16.027
out side just the strict cost issue.
00:27:16.027 --> 00:27:19.670
If the route 6M is a more expensive
00:27:19.670 --> 00:27:23.360
but we go to the equity issue of what fair?
00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:26.020
And as Damien said, at the
very beginning, we're looking
00:27:26.020 --> 00:27:29.190
at number one, what is
really fair to everybody?
00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:32.700
And what is fair to everybody
is to spread this burden
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:34.980
of the new infrastructure
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:38.060
and new transmission line that will be built
00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:41.430
over the all the landowners
are gonna be impacted.
00:27:41.430 --> 00:27:46.430
And while I respect
Mr. Kirkpatrick as the County judge,
00:27:47.230 --> 00:27:49.600
he's just the landowner equal to Mr. Mallet,
00:27:49.600 --> 00:27:51.540
except with a much smaller property
00:27:51.540 --> 00:27:55.233
that is minimally being impacted by route 6M.
00:27:56.890 --> 00:27:59.210
I would ask the Commission
to indulge us during
00:27:59.210 --> 00:28:00.830
these interesting times
00:28:00.830 --> 00:28:03.640
and Mr. Damian is still on the line
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.800
and Mr. Mallet he is a physician
00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:10.400
and is taken away from his busy practice
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.120
to address the Commission.
00:28:12.120 --> 00:28:14.783
Give him one more
minute to clarify some things
00:28:14.783 --> 00:28:18.276
that were stated by the other
landowners about his property
00:28:18.276 --> 00:28:20.667
that he knows like the back of his hand
00:28:20.667 --> 00:28:25.500
and give him that opportunity
to address the Commission
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:27.240
on those concerns that were addressed
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:28.929
by the other two landowners.
00:28:28.929 --> 00:28:29.860
That's fine.
00:28:29.860 --> 00:28:31.165
Thank you, your honor.
00:28:31.165 --> 00:28:32.520
Thank you, yeah that's fine.
00:28:32.520 --> 00:28:36.480
We can hear from Mr. Mallet
again, Mallet actually,
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.673
I think I'm mispronouncing
that and I'm sorry, sir.
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:03.600
Okay, we will hear from Mr. Mallet again.
00:29:03.600 --> 00:29:05.323
Just one moment your line is open.
00:29:11.485 --> 00:29:14.056
Good morning.
00:29:14.056 --> 00:29:15.275
Good morning.
00:29:15.275 --> 00:29:17.870
Okay, can you hear me?
00:29:17.870 --> 00:29:19.109
I can.
00:29:19.109 --> 00:29:21.580
Okay great, thank you Commissioner
00:29:21.580 --> 00:29:25.610
for the opportunity to
mention couple of points.
00:29:25.610 --> 00:29:30.293
The judge did not miss
to highlight several time
00:29:30.293 --> 00:29:32.549
that he's the judge there was a burden
00:29:32.549 --> 00:29:36.470
and I appreciate that having to deal
00:29:36.470 --> 00:29:41.470
with the damage from tornadoes
and other natural events.
00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:46.570
But if you look at on route
two, route two is the power line
00:29:48.660 --> 00:29:50.295
that can damage, you will have
00:29:50.295 --> 00:29:54.693
these lines affecting County
road 1701, County road 1702,
00:29:55.783 --> 00:29:58.970
County road 1703 which is basically,
00:29:58.970 --> 00:30:01.260
he was saying can not get
in and out of their property
00:30:01.260 --> 00:30:03.290
or in their house that's number one.
00:30:03.290 --> 00:30:07.790
So are have huge consequences
on their ability to be able
00:30:07.790 --> 00:30:08.803
to get in and out of their property
00:30:08.803 --> 00:30:10.710
and that's from the damage.
00:30:10.710 --> 00:30:12.123
Number two is, I'm not sure how
00:30:12.123 --> 00:30:14.540
they figured out those no habit...
00:30:14.540 --> 00:30:17.040
there is a habitable structure on my place
00:30:17.040 --> 00:30:19.120
and I just got this place
00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:22.100
and we are planning to
have more habitable structures
00:30:22.100 --> 00:30:26.570
and the route two has
this whole family's involved.
00:30:26.570 --> 00:30:29.400
I mean, I would invite the Commission
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.960
to go and inspect the route two,
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:32.240
I don't know what they come up with one
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.095
or two habitable structures, is not correct.
00:30:34.095 --> 00:30:37.780
There several houses, I
drive on 1702 drive to go
00:30:37.780 --> 00:30:40.505
through my place to bail and crop development
00:30:40.505 --> 00:30:42.855
there are several houses
each side of the road.
00:30:44.320 --> 00:30:45.600
So that's not correct.
00:30:45.600 --> 00:30:47.440
And the cost again, we go back to the cost.
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.233
Yes, it is a $2 million cost.
00:30:50.090 --> 00:30:52.610
Well, it was all the family lives
00:30:52.610 --> 00:30:55.230
and in fact, disproportionally that my family
00:30:55.230 --> 00:30:58.003
and I have to take all rate myself.
00:30:58.003 --> 00:31:02.130
The power company has the money to pay it up.
00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:05.290
Why should I be paying
up like one person alone?
00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:06.400
That's not fair.
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.450
That's not what this is
Commission is made for.
00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:10.100
And I really appreciate the time
00:31:10.100 --> 00:31:13.660
to you take this points from me.
00:31:13.660 --> 00:31:14.493
Thank you so much.
00:31:14.493 --> 00:31:15.453
Thank you, sir.
00:31:19.897 --> 00:31:21.220
Katie, do we have anyone else
00:31:21.220 --> 00:31:24.520
or is that's everyone who
wanted to argue in this case?
00:31:24.520 --> 00:31:26.540
That's everyone at this time.
00:31:26.540 --> 00:31:29.318
Excuse me chairman D'Andrea,
00:31:29.318 --> 00:31:31.940
this is Rashmi Nassar for Commission staff.
00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:33.719
Yes, oh yeah go ahead please.
00:31:33.719 --> 00:31:38.719
Good morning and thank you for your time.
00:31:39.040 --> 00:31:40.983
We just have three comments.
00:31:41.950 --> 00:31:46.400
The two routes on which
hearing and briefing were centered
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.950
on route two which was staff recommended
00:31:48.950 --> 00:31:50.323
and route 6M.
00:31:51.230 --> 00:31:53.180
First let me understand the concerns
00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:56.080
of landowners not wanting to be impacted
00:31:56.080 --> 00:31:58.870
by transmission lines on their property.
00:31:58.870 --> 00:32:01.100
However, the records demonstrate
00:32:01.100 --> 00:32:04.690
that route two first
satisfies the routing criteria
00:32:04.690 --> 00:32:08.220
in this case, compared to
all the other proposed routes,
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:10.370
as you heard here.
00:32:10.370 --> 00:32:13.440
Route two is the shortest and least expensive
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:18.440
but most importantly, route
6M comes within 300 feet
00:32:19.070 --> 00:32:22.524
of seven half habitable structures
while route two only come
00:32:22.524 --> 00:32:26.150
within 300 feet of two habitable structures.
00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:26.983
We'll note that,
00:32:26.983 --> 00:32:30.600
you know all the habitable
structures impacted are not just
00:32:30.600 --> 00:32:32.950
from interveners in this docket
00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:35.809
and so that's an important consideration.
00:32:35.809 --> 00:32:39.054
We certainly understand that,
appreciate the chairman's time
00:32:39.054 --> 00:32:41.876
and we're available to answer any questions.
00:32:41.876 --> 00:32:42.941
Thank you very much.
00:32:42.941 --> 00:32:44.913
I appreciate that comment.
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.880
Okay, well thanks again to
everyone for your feedback.
00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:56.380
It makes a big difference
to me and to us to hear
00:32:56.380 --> 00:32:58.883
from you because you know this area so well.
00:33:00.020 --> 00:33:04.149
It is our usual practice is to take some time
00:33:04.149 --> 00:33:07.097
to think about this so I
can read the transcripts
00:33:07.097 --> 00:33:09.680
of what was said and look at the maps again
00:33:10.570 --> 00:33:14.000
in a more calm way and digest the comments.
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.223
So won't decide this today.
00:33:16.223 --> 00:33:18.520
We'll bring it back to the next open meeting
00:33:18.520 --> 00:33:20.802
and hopefully have an answer by then.
00:33:20.802 --> 00:33:23.347
Thank you, everyone okay.
00:33:26.904 --> 00:33:29.080
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen
00:33:30.030 --> 00:33:32.310
that does conclude our conference for today.
00:33:32.310 --> 00:33:35.220
Thank you for your participation
00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:36.305
and for using AT&T teleconference.
00:33:36.305 --> 00:33:38.025
Kate we're not done.
00:33:38.025 --> 00:33:39.450
Kate we're mot done, I'm sorry.
00:33:39.450 --> 00:33:40.283
That's just, just that docket.
00:33:40.283 --> 00:33:41.287
Oh I'm sorry.
00:33:41.287 --> 00:33:45.152
No, no, no problem, I
like your spirit Katie but...
00:33:45.152 --> 00:33:46.420
(laughing)
00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:48.170
we still have some more work to do.
00:33:49.830 --> 00:33:52.640
Okay, I'm gonna move on to item 15
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.483
that's docket 50790.
00:33:55.600 --> 00:33:59.263
Steven filed a memo in this case,
recommending some changes.
00:34:00.540 --> 00:34:03.470
I agree with his recommendations.
00:34:03.470 --> 00:34:06.880
So I approve the final
revised order as described
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:07.853
in Steven's memo.
00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:14.047
Item 16, 51518.
00:34:15.779 --> 00:34:17.750
This is a non-standard trope filing
00:34:17.750 --> 00:34:21.300
by AEP finding a fact 88A
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:23.650
of the financing order
requires the non-standard
00:34:23.650 --> 00:34:26.430
trope filing to contain a justification
00:34:26.430 --> 00:34:30.159
for the proposed changes to
specifically address the causes
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.803
of the proposed non-standard true up.
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.780
I don't think we have quite
enough information on that.
00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:40.190
So I would ask
00:34:40.190 --> 00:34:45.092
that the applicant supplement
it's filing with information
00:34:45.092 --> 00:34:48.340
on how and why the proposed
adjusted rates are necessary
00:34:48.340 --> 00:34:50.010
to specifically address the causes
00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:51.978
of the non-standard turn up.
00:34:51.978 --> 00:34:54.478
So give us a little more
information in this case.
00:34:56.660 --> 00:34:59.434
Steven, do I, I can just
leave it at that, right?
00:34:59.434 --> 00:35:00.554
Are we doing?
00:35:00.554 --> 00:35:03.302
(indistinct)
00:35:03.302 --> 00:35:05.250
Do we need an issue order to...
00:35:08.928 --> 00:35:11.657
You want me to order them that to supplement?
00:35:12.715 --> 00:35:16.750
Yes, sir let's just ask, authorize us
00:35:16.750 --> 00:35:19.020
to issue an order direct to
them, to supplement the record.
00:35:19.020 --> 00:35:22.670
Okay, would you please issue
an order then directing them
00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:23.920
to supplement their application
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.973
in the way I just described, thank you.
00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:32.593
Item 17 is not taken up.
00:35:33.790 --> 00:35:38.790
Item 18, Steven had a recommendation memo
00:35:39.240 --> 00:35:41.160
in this that I also agree with.
00:35:41.160 --> 00:35:42.253
And so I approve the order
00:35:42.253 --> 00:35:43.943
I revised by Steven's memo.
00:35:46.350 --> 00:35:49.007
Item 19, 51604.
00:35:50.550 --> 00:35:54.420
This is a petition by ERCOT for approval
00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:56.810
and affiliate director in ERCOT now wants to,
00:35:56.810 --> 00:35:58.868
we issued a proposed order.
00:35:58.868 --> 00:36:01.760
And after the order was
issued ERCOT would like
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.680
to withdraw its petition.
00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:06.780
We grant these when the
petitioner can show good course
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:09.033
and I think good course has been shown here.
00:36:09.033 --> 00:36:11.292
Therefore I move to the
Commission find good course
00:36:11.292 --> 00:36:15.630
to grant the petitioner's
request to withdraw his petition
00:36:15.630 --> 00:36:17.780
and grant the withdrawal without prejudice.
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:27.473
Okay, items 20 through 25 are not taken up.
00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:35.067
Item 26, 50404.
00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:40.850
This was previously a
docket before the Commission
00:36:42.290 --> 00:36:43.299
that was denied.
00:36:43.299 --> 00:36:45.104
The petitioner failed to prove
00:36:45.104 --> 00:36:50.017
that a resident served by water
meter 1528 was not located
00:36:50.017 --> 00:36:52.163
on the tract of land to be released.
00:36:53.056 --> 00:36:57.564
In this docket they've proved
that the residence is not
00:36:57.564 --> 00:37:00.232
in the tract of land, but
they've, they failed to prove
00:37:00.232 --> 00:37:02.451
that the water meter itself was not located
00:37:02.451 --> 00:37:04.200
on the tract of land.
00:37:04.200 --> 00:37:06.610
And in fact, Mallet's map shows
00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:09.640
that the meter is located
just inside the boundary
00:37:09.640 --> 00:37:11.610
of the tract of land to be released.
00:37:11.610 --> 00:37:13.389
So I don't want to deny this one to.
00:37:13.389 --> 00:37:16.030
I want to get this across the finish line.
00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:19.490
So I'd like to remand this
to docket management
00:37:19.490 --> 00:37:22.940
so petitioners have an
opportunity to amend their petition
00:37:22.940 --> 00:37:26.420
to ensure that the water meter 1528
00:37:26.420 --> 00:37:29.630
and any other relevant water
meters and residents served
00:37:29.630 --> 00:37:32.172
by those water meters are
excluded from the tract of land
00:37:32.172 --> 00:37:34.563
for which expedited releases sought.
00:37:36.010 --> 00:37:37.259
So I move...
00:37:37.259 --> 00:37:39.562
We'll prepare in order
to do as you directly, sir.
00:37:39.562 --> 00:37:41.163
Thank you very much, Steven.
00:37:45.390 --> 00:37:47.303
Item 27 is not taken up.
00:37:48.634 --> 00:37:51.690
Item 28, Steven proposed some revisions
00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:55.360
with which I agree
that's I approved the order
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.853
in item 28 docket 51400 as
revised by Steven's memo.
00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:03.230
Item 29 was already approved.
00:38:03.230 --> 00:38:05.320
Item 30 won't be taken up.
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.293
Item 31 was already approved.
00:38:08.990 --> 00:38:13.990
Okay, item 32 docket 51470
I have a lot to add on this.
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.010
So this is the application
was a little bit lean here
00:38:22.010 --> 00:38:24.750
and so I think we need some more information
00:38:24.750 --> 00:38:26.120
in two areas really.
00:38:26.120 --> 00:38:30.170
One is in addressing the
requirements of our rules
00:38:30.170 --> 00:38:32.840
and also in describing
the circumstances under
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.763
which the co-op will deploy
the alternative technology.
00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:40.260
So I'd like to send this
back to docket management
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:41.583
for further processing.
00:38:45.260 --> 00:38:48.060
I suppose it'd be good for
you to issue an order, Steven
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.560
and please feel free to add detail,
00:38:51.560 --> 00:38:53.680
but here's the general
outline of what I'd like
00:38:53.680 --> 00:38:54.752
to see in it.
00:38:54.752 --> 00:38:56.990
We need to be able to demonstrate compliance
00:38:56.990 --> 00:39:01.083
with 2657D1A and D1C.
00:39:01.083 --> 00:39:03.410
We need to discuss possible impacts to access
00:39:03.410 --> 00:39:05.110
to 911 service
00:39:05.110 --> 00:39:06.510
to the extent the proposed alternative
00:39:06.510 --> 00:39:08.203
technology relies on wifi.
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:11.660
I need more information generally
00:39:11.660 --> 00:39:13.220
on the proposal alternative technology
00:39:13.220 --> 00:39:15.290
what are the specific
criteria factors and methods
00:39:15.290 --> 00:39:17.030
for determining whether copper
00:39:17.030 --> 00:39:19.653
or fiber optic cables
are not readily available,
00:39:19.653 --> 00:39:21.463
or economically feasible?
00:39:22.770 --> 00:39:24.150
Will the co-op provide the point
00:39:24.150 --> 00:39:26.671
to point fixed wireless
equipment for customers?
00:39:26.671 --> 00:39:28.910
What are the potential
direct or indirect cost
00:39:28.910 --> 00:39:32.290
to customers related to the
proposed alternative technology?
00:39:32.290 --> 00:39:34.980
And for the telephone
adapters that they propose
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:37.637
to provide we need more
details on the specific equipment
00:39:37.637 --> 00:39:40.500
to whether they'll work with analog phones
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:42.610
and whether there are
any potential liability, quality
00:39:42.610 --> 00:39:45.180
or service issues with those adapters?
00:39:45.180 --> 00:39:49.230
So I've asked that what's
remain this to docket management
00:39:49.230 --> 00:39:51.320
and you can issue an order consistent
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.153
with what I just described.
00:39:52.153 --> 00:39:53.360
We'll put an order
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:54.730
in line with your directions sir.
00:39:54.730 --> 00:39:59.730
Thank you, item 33 it was already approved.
00:40:00.467 --> 00:40:03.740
Item 34 through 38 won't be taken up.
00:40:03.740 --> 00:40:05.110
Steven, I understand you'd like
00:40:05.110 --> 00:40:06.660
to have a closed session today?
00:40:07.776 --> 00:40:09.130
Yes, sir.
00:40:09.130 --> 00:40:12.034
Okay, okay then having convened
00:40:12.034 --> 00:40:14.710
in a duly noticed open meeting
the Commission will now
00:40:14.710 --> 00:40:18.740
at 10:11 AM on Wednesday, April 7th, 2021
00:40:18.740 --> 00:40:21.420
hold a closed session pursuant to Chapter 551
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:23.761
of the Texas government code and will consult
00:40:23.761 --> 00:40:27.119
with an attorney pursuant to section 551.071
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.542
of the code deliberate
personnel matters pursuant
00:40:29.542 --> 00:40:32.330
to section 551.074
00:40:32.330 --> 00:40:35.070
of the code and deliberate
security matters pursuant
00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:39.957
to section 551.076 of the code, thank you.
00:40:52.793 --> 00:40:55.110
Commission is hereby concluded
00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:59.263
at 10:25 AM on Wednesday, April 7th, 2021.
00:41:00.930 --> 00:41:03.439
The Commission will
resume its public meeting.
00:41:03.439 --> 00:41:04.476
No action will be taken
00:41:04.476 --> 00:41:06.199
by the Commission regarding matters discussed
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:07.801
in the closed session.
00:41:07.801 --> 00:41:10.430
Is there anything else, Thomas?
00:41:10.430 --> 00:41:12.700
Okay with that this meeting
00:41:12.700 --> 00:41:15.707
of the public utility Commission
of Texas is adjourned.