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Public Utilities
Commission Public Voting Meeting.
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On this day Thursday, March 25th, 2021.
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Today's call is being recorded.
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If you have any objections,
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you may disconnect at this time.
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President Batjer , you may proceed.
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Thank you very much operator
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and good morning everyone.
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We need to establish a quorum.
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So, will the agenda
clerk please call the roll.
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Commissioner Houck.
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Here.
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Commissioner Shiroma.
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Present.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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Present.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
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Here.
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President Batjer .
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Here.
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Thank you a quorum has been established.
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Everyone welcome to
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the California Public Utilities Commission.
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I am calling this meeting
of March 25th, 2021,
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Public Agenda number 3482 to order.
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Due to the coronavirus pandemic
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and the shelter in Place Order,
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business meeting online
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and stick to your allotted time.
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I welcome today's speaker.
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I will now turn to the operator
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to open the public comment line.
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Operator.
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Thank you, the
public comment line is now open.
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If you wish to speak during
the public comment period
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as mentioned before, press star one.
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Unmute your phone and
clearly record your name
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and organization when prompted.
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Our first speaker is Dave Schuller.
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Your line is open,
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please provide your organization.
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Good morning.
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I'd like to speak in support
of the changes made
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to the redline version of
the proposed (indistinct).
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I'm glad that the Commission have references
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to redeveloping and
re-powering fossil fuel plants.
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The fossil-based resources
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or the (indistinct) resources
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that are responsible for going to change.
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And they currently imposes
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significant public health impact
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on frontline communities particularly
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while we're in this pandemic.
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This decision says that the Commission
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will not consider
contracts for new gas plants
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or for re-powering existing plants.
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This is an improvement over
the original proposal decision,
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but the Commission needs to go further
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by closing the existing
loopholes on any new investments
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into gas plants, We
need clean energy,
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not more investments into
fossil fuel infrastructures
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that are responsible for climate change.
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Particularly, one troubling
part of this decision
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is that it was a lot of prohibited resources,
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like diesel backup generators
during emergencies.
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And there needs to be not only a full ban
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on the use of prohibited resources
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in the Emergency Load Reduction Program,
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but we need to look for better
alternatives to lower demands
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and incentivizing deployment
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of residential battery storage.
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More generally, there are better alternatives
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to investing in gas plant
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and relying on prohibited resources.
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And I would like to
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ask the Commission
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to uphold the existing
ban on prohibited resources
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during (indistinct).
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Schuller.
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Operator the next caller please.
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Our next caller is Francis.
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Your line is open.
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Hello, can you hear me.
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Yes we can, thank you, go ahead.
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Perfect, okay, good morning.
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My name is Francis I'm with...
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I guess I'm just speaking for myself today.
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So I'm really calling both
the disappointment and hope
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for the CPUC is extreme
weather receiving redline,
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the other month I was really shocked
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and just downright disgusted
by the Commission sudden push
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for fossil fuel procurement in our grid.
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I mean, we were seeing
long-term contracts for power plants.
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Plants are giving green
lights for more natural gas
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and even incentives or diesel generators.
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How are we even supposed to take that?
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And even more, I guess,
seeing the last that could
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change with the proceeding,
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I guess they're filled with some sort of hope
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it's kind of confusing.
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Cause it's like getting stabbed in the back
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and actually like showing like,
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oh, we just like hurt you a little bit.
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And so I guess we're glad
to see more new contracts
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with gas plants or
repowering existing plants.
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That is great we're also
happy to see some limits
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on the diesel generators
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but obviously we need to close
some of these major reports
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like stopping any
incremental capacity contracts
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or gas plant stopping any ridiculous use
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of backup generators that run on diesel
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or other polluting fuels.
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And we need to prioritize
frontline communities
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around the gas plants and
other high impact communities
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in transitioning off of our
fossil fuel infrastructure.
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And lastly, I mean,
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this is how it gets kind
of complicated for me.
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I'm not sure if I should be applauding you
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and supporting you or I
should just be skeptical
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and just always pessimistic
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because we're really counting on you
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to be our climate and
environmental justice allies.
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And we're looking at this redline decision
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like it's you trying?
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And so if you need more
support, I mean, you can reach me.
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You have my contact information now,
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but if we just need to put
more pressure on you, we will.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Operator the next caller please.
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Thank you the next speaker
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is Elliot Gonzalez of Long beach.
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Your line is open, please go ahead.
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Hi, good evening members of the Commission.
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I just wanted to speak out
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against the provision
that allows fossil fuels
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into this plan.
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To me, it's not in
line with... Not to me.
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We know that it's not
in line with the science.
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We know that if we keep burning natural gas
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burning, what is it?
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Diesel that's oil,
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burning oil and gas into the
air that warms up the planet
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that it causes cancer,
asthma, global warming.
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So the fact that it's a year 2021
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after coronavirus, after everything
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after we lost the City
of Paradise, California
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to massive fire where
this is just the beginning.
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Now we are still considering
adding more natural gas
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or still using natural gas as
a response to an emergency.
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The reason why we're
having this extreme weather
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in the first place is because
we already burned too much.
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So burning more during emergencies
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that we know are going
to be coming heat waves.
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And other times when we
have high electrical demands
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we know that it started from fossil fuels
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being burned into the air.
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That's the source of the extreme weather.
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So to me, that's just going backwards.
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That's not aligned with what people
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in California expect of
the utilities Commission.
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What we want is a publicly owned utility
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so that we're not spending a hundred bucks,
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200 bucks to Edison in the year 2020
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to private corporations
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that indicate when an emergency happens.
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They're like, "oh, cut the gas on."
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That's not in line with the science.
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It's not... Seeing what
just happened in Texas
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It's not understanding what happened
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in Paradise with the utilities there.
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We have to get off of natural gas generation
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and fossil fuel generation immediately
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and you know that.
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So we're on you.
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We're gonna start
participating in this meeting.
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If you want to stay on this Commission
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you're gonna do the right thing.
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So yeah, I wish you all the best.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Okay, operator next caller, please.
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Thank you, the next speaker is David McCord.
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Your line is open, please go ahead.
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This is David McCord
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and I'm a rate payer in El Cerrito.
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And this morning, a colleague discovered
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that the revised version
of the proposed decision
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for item 10
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that had been been put in
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with no public notice that there
had been a revised version.
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That should be taken
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and that kind of public notice
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and the docket or wherever it
should be made in the future.
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And I understand that
in this item, number 10,
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that backup generation,
diesel generation is still allowed.
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It should not be.
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The CAISO software glitch
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that caused the building
black outs last summer
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has been fixed.
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So there's much less of a need for that.
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There's really no emergency now.
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Thank you.
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I'm done.
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Thank you, Mr. McCord.
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Next speaker, please.
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The next speaker is Jacob.
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Your line is open, please go ahead.
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Hi, this is Jacob Gilkey
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reaching on behalf of the Bay Area
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Quality Management District.
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My comments pertain to the
proposed decision for item 10
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the Air District opposes
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the Emergency Load Reduction
Program in its current form,
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specifically the potential to compensate
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backup diesel generators
in emergency situations
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as the air quality permitting agency
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for backup diesel engines in the Bay Area
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I'd like to provide some context into
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how many of these
engines exists in our region?
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We have approximately
10,000 internal combustion
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engines permitted in the Bay Area alone
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and have recently been receiving
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about 400 engine permit applications per year
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for the data center subsector alone
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the fleet of diesel backup
generators in the Bay Area
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is growing from the existing capacity
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of 1.2 gigawatts to more than 2.7 gigawatts.
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And many of these diesel
generators are located
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in AB 617 disadvantage communities
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that are already overburdened
with poor air quality.
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Again, this is just for
one industrial sub-sector
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in the Bay Area alone.
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In addition, the notion
that backup generators
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for seldom use is a convenient
but misleading argument.
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Their district analysis for data centers
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for the period, including last
summers heat storm events
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for a portion of Santa Clara County shows
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that nearly half of the identified facilities
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operated their backup diesel generators
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for emergency purposes.
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Many facilities operated diesel generators
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during multiple emergency events.
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And one facility ran diesel generators
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for approximately 400 hours
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for emergency purposes
over the course of the period.
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And so with the proliferation
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of these fossil diesel generators
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and their greater use
associated with emergency events
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we can expect continuation
of adverse air quality
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public health and climate impacts.
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The Air District is not
view continued reliance
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on fossil diesel as a
solution to our problems
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or it's consistent with our air quality,
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environmental justice climate
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for energy policies as
such the Air District views
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the proposed ELRP program is a step backwards
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in improving air quality in the
most impacted communities
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throughout the region and the state
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the ELRP program should
ensure that the grid is reliable
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by incentivizing
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(callers voice is drowned
by ringing bell)resources
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instead of incentivizing use
of fossil diesel generators.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator the next caller, please.
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Thank you, the next speaker is Chuck Roselle.
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Your line is open, please go ahead.
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Thank you, my name is Chuck Roselle.
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I'm a resident of Oakland
and I'm calling as a rate payer.
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My call regard is revised proposed decision
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for extreme weather emergencies.
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Currently it places significant reliance
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upon the use of backup diesel generators.
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I would note that these
generators were approved
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and installed last year,
despite the availability
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of alternative local renewable resources
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municipalities noted their
preference for these alternatives
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at the time but were ignored.
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Further the primary reason
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for last summer's power
outage has been described
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as an unnecessary export of power
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by CAISO a problem that has reportedly
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been resolved by a software upgrade
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at recent Senate hearings
regarding last falls outage
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President Batjer committed
to investigate providing CCA's
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with timely or load information
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in order for the CCA's to better
support power emergencies.
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In April, in the April CPC workshop,
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it was noted that the IOUs have the ability
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to provide such information to CCA's
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through the use of daily
audited smart meter readings.
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Nevertheless, the current revised PD
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does not address providing this information.
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CCA's will soon provide in
the aggregate more powers
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than the IOUs.
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It is past time that the
CPUC better integrate CCAs
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into the response to power emergencies.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator next caller please.
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The next caller is Yasi Kavasare
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I apologize if I said your name wrong.
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Your line is open.
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Good morning.
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It's all good.
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My name is Yasi Kavasare
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and I'm a resident of Riverside County.
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I'm also here to air my concerns
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about the revised proposed decision
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on the emergency reliability procurement
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like the previous Bay Area
Air Quality staff mentioned.
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These diesel generators
are in our communities
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disadvantaged communities
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in the inland region already
experienced cumulative impacts
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from gas power plants, freeways, rail yards.
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We have constant pollution at our fingertips
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and we're disappointed to see
the emergency procurements
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still rely on a heavy amount of fossil fuels.
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We appreciate the redline attempt
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and we look forward to keep working with,
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advocating for clean energy.
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I've been advocating
personally for the last 10 years
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of my life because the climate change crisis
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has hit my family personally.
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And I know many of you
have had probably children
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and relatives that have suffered
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from chronic respiratory illnesses
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like asthma or cancer or heart disease now
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and more studies are
showing that air pollution
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and climate changes is linked
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to many other health
circumstances that we can avoid.
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So the technology is there
to move away from gas
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and we're not gonna
achieve California's ambition
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for 2045 clean energy with this plant.
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I hope today we can make some changes.
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I highly doubt it cause I know,
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it's what you all got to do and work with.
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And this agency just sometimes
I feel does the bare minimum
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with the public interest.
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And I hope that you can actually look at
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the public's interest today
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instead of relying on fear to invest
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and continue the same the gas processes
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that you're looking at.
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Those are my points.
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And thank you so much.
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Thank you, operator the next caller, please.
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Thank you, before we go to the next caller
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if you wish to speak during
the public comment period
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please press star one, unmute your phone
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and clearly provide your name
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and organization when prompted.
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Our next speaker is Baras Risby.
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Once again, I apologize if I
pronounced your name wrong.
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Your line is open.
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All right, can you hear me?
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Yes we can thank you.
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Go ahead, yes we can here you fine.
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I'm calling because I'm
here in Riverside County
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an area that has some
of the worst air quality
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in the nation.
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And we've been following
this entire proceeding
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and I was excited to see some of the changes
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in the redline version of the decision.
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It's good to see a Commission that has taken,
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the voices of the community very seriously
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but for all the changes that were made
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there were still some crucial things
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that need to be changed.
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The decision still allows
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for new fossil fuels generation contracts
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for up to five years with
existing power plants.
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And we need to stop fossil
fuel generation at all costs.
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Many people have come
in and said why this is so
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and the reality is we're
reaching the climate catastrophe
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way closer than we've ever been.
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We saw it in Texas.
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We saw it last year here
with extreme weather events.
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We're gonna see more of them
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and we need to really change our grid
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from any more fossil fuels
to clean renewable energy.
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California needs to lead the way
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we've led the way in terms of clean energy,
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green technology and four thinking policies.
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And we need to make sure
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that just because of industry narratives,
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we don't move backwards here.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator the next caller, please.
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Thank you, the
next caller is Gabriela Mendez.
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Your line is open, please go ahead.
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Hello, can you hear me?
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Yes, we can fine, please go ahead.
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Thank you.
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Hi, I'm Gabriela Mendez.
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I'm a resident of Riverside
County here in California
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and while I support the changes made
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in the redline version, excuse me,
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of the proposed decision.
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And I'm glad that the
Commission took out the reference
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to redeveloping and
repowering fossil fuel plants.
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And I'm disappointed that this is actually
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something that was put in the first decision.
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I don't think right that
anyone here supports that
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because it is illogical to do so, right?
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We are in a climate emergency
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and we continuously come to these meetings
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and tell you guys
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that people are dying our their communities.
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I speak for my neighbors.
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I speak for my friends.
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I speak for my family.
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We're incredibly disappointed.
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And we need you guys to
turn to renewable energy
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because it's available
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because it's better for our communities.
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It's better for our earth.
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I'm not sure what it will take.
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Whether it will take
completely dark sky for us to see
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that we are in the climate emergency
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or for more folks to be
passing away at a rapid rate,
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because you been through COVID, right?
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With folks passing away so quickly
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it still doesn't get to us sometimes, right?
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And we still don't see the impact
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but this is happening in our communities
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more than it's happened in other ones.
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So I really hope that it doesn't have to get
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to you guys for you to
realize the importance of this
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and for you to really hear us out.
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When we see that we need
investment in these things,
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this is our future.
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We are not in the 18th century.
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We are not somewhere that was super far away.
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This is supposed to be existing right now
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because it's possible.
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It's attainable.
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We need to have a vision for a clean future.
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What are our generations
going to live in, in the future?
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I'm terrified.
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I don't know, I'm really young.
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And I don't know if in the
future if I even want children
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because I'm scared of what they will live in.
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This is crazy.
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So while I support the new version, right?
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I think that there needs
to be better investments.
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Thank you so much.
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Okay, thank you.
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Operator next caller, please.
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Thank you, if you wish to speak
00:24:25.250 --> 00:24:26.930
during the public comment period
00:24:26.930 --> 00:24:29.580
please press star one, unmute your phone
00:24:29.580 --> 00:24:31.010
and clearly provide your name
00:24:31.010 --> 00:24:32.823
and organization when prompted.
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There another speaker?
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President Batjer
there are no more participants
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on the public telephone line at this time.
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Okay, thank you, operator.
00:24:50.930 --> 00:24:54.433
And that there are no more
callers on the telephone lines.
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The public comment period is now closed.
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Thank you all for calling.
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Here are the changes in the agenda today.
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Actually, there are no
changes in today's agenda.
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We will now take up the consent items.
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Is there a motion?
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Moved.
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Second.
Second.
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It's been moved and seconded.
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Can we please have the roll call?
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Agenda clerk.
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Commissioner Houck.
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Yes.
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Commissioner Shiroma.
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Aye.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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Yes.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
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Aye.
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President Batjer .
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Yes, thank you.
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The Consent Agenda items
have been passed unanimously.
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Now, moving on, we will now take up
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the regular agenda items for today.
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The item number 10, I will be presenting.
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I will introduce item 10
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which is the second proposed decision
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in our summer 2021 reliability rulemaking
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this proposed decision directs,
PG&E, SCE and SDG&E.
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To take up multiple actions
to avert the potential need
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for rotating outages in the
summer of '21 and 2022.
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Let me repeat that.
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Outages in summers of 2021 and 2022
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by adopting or modifying programs
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aimed at decreasing energy demand
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and increasing energy supply
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during peak demand and net demand peak hours.
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I wanna start by
acknowledging my appreciation
00:26:59.350 --> 00:27:02.100
and thanks to all the
commenters from the public
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for expressing your thoughts and concerns
00:27:05.150 --> 00:27:08.120
regarding this decision in particular
00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:11.380
to express that I also share the concerns
00:27:11.380 --> 00:27:14.530
over the use of diesel backup generators
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often located in low income
and disadvantaged communities
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.750
that are already facing the brunt
00:27:20.750 --> 00:27:24.030
of air pollution and fossil
fuel generating plants,
00:27:24.030 --> 00:27:26.993
refineries and other industrial facilities.
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I hope that over the course
of my comments today
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I can explain that we came to where we landed
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in this proposed decision
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after many restless days,
nights grappling with the question
00:27:40.560 --> 00:27:43.630
of what plans we should have prepared
00:27:43.630 --> 00:27:48.220
in the worst case, weather
and reliability scenarios.
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Let me underscore there
will be backup generation
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only if needed as a last resort
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only and likely for minutes, hours
00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:06.210
not multiple days as we have
experienced in the PSPS events.
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As we all know in August of last year
00:28:12.310 --> 00:28:17.310
the CAISO initiated rotating
outages across the state
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due to extreme heat event that affected much
00:28:21.970 --> 00:28:23.683
of the Western United States.
00:28:25.520 --> 00:28:28.760
Following those events, the CPUC, the CEC
00:28:28.760 --> 00:28:32.840
and CAISO completed a root cause analysis
00:28:32.840 --> 00:28:35.870
and determined that swift action was needed
00:28:35.870 --> 00:28:40.260
at each of our agencies to
avoid reoccurance of the outages
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if we were to experience
a similar weather event
00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:43.633
this summer.
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Californians deserved a reliable grid
00:28:47.750 --> 00:28:50.980
and they deserve a CPUC
that will do everything
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in its power to ensure they have one.
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And they state that is
the fifth largest economy
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:57.800
in the world.
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Frankly, we should be
able to keep the lights on.
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As I have said numerous times before
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I view this as both my highest priority
00:29:06.650 --> 00:29:08.453
and my basic responsibility.
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Our first decision in
this proceeding voted on
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at the February 11th, 2021 Commission meeting
00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:20.380
ordered the IOUs to seek contracts
00:29:20.380 --> 00:29:23.360
for incremental capacity that is available
00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:28.280
to serve peak and not net
peak demand in summer of 2021.
00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:34.120
That decision resulted in
approximately 565 megawatts
00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:35.923
of incremental capacity.
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This proposed decision is more focused
00:29:39.560 --> 00:29:41.570
on the demand side of things.
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We have developed a number
of programs and proposals.
00:29:47.490 --> 00:29:50.590
Some we hope to never have to use.
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Let me repeat that.
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We hope we never have to use
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because of the efficacy
of the other programs.
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However, we have tried
to plan to have options
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for the most difficult scenario.
00:30:06.090 --> 00:30:07.663
If they happen to arise,
00:30:08.840 --> 00:30:13.620
we are planning for both '20 and '21 and 2022
00:30:13.620 --> 00:30:16.890
while the summer of
2021 is right in front of us.
00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:21.140
The same critical pressures remain for 2022.
00:30:21.140 --> 00:30:23.850
I will give a brief overview now
00:30:23.850 --> 00:30:26.250
of some of the major programs and proposals
00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:27.683
we are trying to implement.
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.910
The proposed decision
launches a new Statewide
00:30:31.910 --> 00:30:36.910
Emergency Load Reduction program, ELRP.
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:38.860
It is a pilot.
00:30:38.860 --> 00:30:40.920
This is a pilot program designed
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.920
to allow PG&E, SCE, SDG&E and CAISO
00:30:47.150 --> 00:30:50.700
to rely on additional
reductions in electric use
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:52.450
during times of high demand.
00:30:52.450 --> 00:30:55.773
When there may be limited
generation to meet that demand.
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.130
We have modified the
IOU's critical peak pricing,
00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:02.893
CPP programs.
00:31:03.990 --> 00:31:06.800
The CPP has a retail rate.
00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:10.630
Whereby a load serving
entities charges a higher price
00:31:10.630 --> 00:31:13.050
for electricity consumption during peak hours
00:31:13.050 --> 00:31:14.163
on selected days.
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:21.050
For that program, we have
shifted the CPP window
00:31:21.050 --> 00:31:25.030
to the hours of 4:00 PM to 9:00 PM.
00:31:25.030 --> 00:31:27.290
To better align with the grid needs.
00:31:27.290 --> 00:31:32.230
Increase the maximum number
of CPP events allowed per year
00:31:32.230 --> 00:31:34.280
in our providing customer education
00:31:34.280 --> 00:31:37.833
with a focus on improving participation.
00:31:39.970 --> 00:31:44.970
We have modified the IOU's
existing demand response programs
00:31:45.170 --> 00:31:48.240
for the years of '21 and '22
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:53.240
through a host of changes
intended to expand eligibility
00:31:53.290 --> 00:31:54.543
and increase incentives.
00:31:55.600 --> 00:31:59.650
This includes the IOUs
base interruptible program
00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:02.143
and capacity bidding program,
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.990
several individual tariffs and granting
00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:09.130
Edison's proposal to create a second phase
00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:12.090
of its virtual power plant, pilot,
00:32:12.090 --> 00:32:14.600
to test dispatchable technologies
00:32:14.600 --> 00:32:16.550
during grid reliability events
00:32:16.550 --> 00:32:19.633
including Emergency Load
reduction Program events.
00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:23.360
We are funding a new Statewide flex alert
00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:24.980
paid media campaign
00:32:24.980 --> 00:32:28.193
with a focus on social and digital media.
00:32:29.510 --> 00:32:32.540
Finally, the PD encourages procurement
00:32:32.540 --> 00:32:34.923
of additional capacity by the IOUs.
00:32:36.330 --> 00:32:39.280
First, I ordered the IOUs to procure
00:32:39.280 --> 00:32:43.100
an additional 2.5% of resources
00:32:43.100 --> 00:32:46.440
for all customers in their territories
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.190
which is effectively an increase
00:32:50.190 --> 00:32:52.260
of their planning reserve margin
00:32:52.260 --> 00:32:56.113
above the existing 15%
planning reserve margin.
00:32:57.560 --> 00:33:01.840
Essentially, we have sought a
minimum of 1000 megawatts,
00:33:01.840 --> 00:33:05.310
but up to 1500 megawatts of procurement
00:33:05.310 --> 00:33:07.070
between the authorizations
00:33:07.070 --> 00:33:10.100
from this decision and the February decision
00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:14.093
as well as demand side
resources from this decision.
00:33:14.950 --> 00:33:16.460
As I mentioned earlier,
00:33:16.460 --> 00:33:20.600
the IOUs have already procured 565 megawatts
00:33:20.600 --> 00:33:22.300
toward this obligation
00:33:22.300 --> 00:33:24.500
from our earlier decision in this proceeding
00:33:25.580 --> 00:33:29.603
this requirement is only
in place for 2021 and 2022.
00:33:31.110 --> 00:33:32.360
The resource adequacy
00:33:32.360 --> 00:33:35.960
and integrated resource planning proceedings
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.130
are the proper venues for the actual changes
00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:41.003
to the planning reserve margin.
00:33:41.950 --> 00:33:45.960
Secondly, we are strongly
encouraging the IOUs
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.410
to prioritize energy storage contracts
00:33:49.410 --> 00:33:51.700
and seek upgrades in the efficiency
00:33:51.700 --> 00:33:54.440
of existing generation resources
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.960
to meet any residual procurement needs
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.353
to meet the thousand megawatt requirements.
00:34:01.270 --> 00:34:04.280
Okay, now I would like
to highlight some revisions
00:34:04.280 --> 00:34:07.860
that we have made in response
to comments of the parties
00:34:07.860 --> 00:34:10.773
and from the concerns of
my fellow Commissioners.
00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:14.420
At the outset I want to note
00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:16.750
that we are keeping the proceedings open
00:34:16.750 --> 00:34:19.310
to address additional party proposals
00:34:19.310 --> 00:34:22.233
that can be implemented
before the summer of 2022.
00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:26.000
This will allow us to evaluate important data
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.730
and information we obtain
in the summer of 2021
00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:32.320
to allow us to make any necessary changes
00:34:33.257 --> 00:34:36.540
or course corrections for 2022.
00:34:36.540 --> 00:34:39.830
We appreciate the effort
that parties have extended
00:34:39.830 --> 00:34:42.833
in putting innovative proposals on the table.
00:34:43.790 --> 00:34:45.720
We want to consider all ideas
00:34:45.720 --> 00:34:49.360
including PG&E's residential rewards pilots
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.830
which would utilize smart thermostats
00:34:51.830 --> 00:34:54.070
and the center for environmental justices
00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:58.830
ELRP proposals called Just Flex rewards
00:34:58.830 --> 00:35:01.160
which would incent residential customers
00:35:01.160 --> 00:35:04.140
to reduce energy consumption.
00:35:04.140 --> 00:35:07.340
We found these proposals
to be particularly promising.
00:35:07.340 --> 00:35:09.750
However, we need more data and information
00:35:09.750 --> 00:35:12.413
on implementation before
moving forward with them.
00:35:13.830 --> 00:35:16.250
We have increased some
of the funds authorized
00:35:16.250 --> 00:35:18.320
for new customer education focus
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.783
on improving critical
peak pricing performance.
00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:24.500
We have committed to revisit the design
00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:27.720
of the Emergency Load Reduction pilot
00:35:27.720 --> 00:35:30.800
for the years '23 through '25,
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.160
we'll take commitment to minimizing
00:35:34.160 --> 00:35:36.190
the use of backup generators
00:35:36.190 --> 00:35:40.260
where safe cost effective
and feasible clean alternatives
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:41.413
are available.
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:44.780
We will consider local air pollution impacts
00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:46.960
on disadvantaged communities
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.330
and any other modifications
00:35:49.330 --> 00:35:51.700
that can make the program more effective
00:35:51.700 --> 00:35:54.853
and consistent with the
state's decarbonization goals.
00:35:56.770 --> 00:35:59.000
Furthermore, we have clarified
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.410
that use of prohibited resources
00:36:01.410 --> 00:36:04.610
during a test event is not permitted
00:36:04.610 --> 00:36:06.263
and will not be compensated.
00:36:07.200 --> 00:36:09.530
I hope that these adjustments help clarify
00:36:09.530 --> 00:36:14.530
that the ELRP pilot is an
emergency last resort program.
00:36:16.100 --> 00:36:18.200
It will only be deployed
00:36:18.200 --> 00:36:21.010
when the grid is absolutely at the edge,
00:36:21.010 --> 00:36:23.743
which we hope will never occur again.
00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:27.640
As a side note if rotating outages
00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:30.860
are triggered this summer and next
00:36:30.860 --> 00:36:34.300
it is likely that these prohibited
resources will be used
00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:37.700
in an unplanned and unmanaged manner
00:36:37.700 --> 00:36:40.840
as frankly occurred in the summer of 2020.
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.173
This is not something we want repeated.
00:36:44.520 --> 00:36:48.410
Additionally, we are directing
the IOUs to collect data
00:36:48.410 --> 00:36:53.000
on backup generator in
participation in the ELRP
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.110
including location, type of fuel use,
00:36:57.110 --> 00:37:02.110
the capacity of the generator
for years '21 and '22.
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.370
I would like to make a personally request
00:37:07.370 --> 00:37:10.070
to the Commission's energy
division for this summer
00:37:10.070 --> 00:37:13.080
that they coordinate with the IOUs,
00:37:13.080 --> 00:37:16.980
the local Air Districts and
the Air Resources Board
00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:19.620
to see if there are additional steps
00:37:19.620 --> 00:37:23.610
we can take this summer to reduce likelihood
00:37:23.610 --> 00:37:27.670
of triggering the use of
backup generators, bugs,
00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:30.023
especially in disadvantaged community.
00:37:31.100 --> 00:37:33.530
With regard to additional procurement,
00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:37.310
we have clarified that
the directive for the IOUs
00:37:37.310 --> 00:37:41.250
to target a minimum of
2.5% of incremental resources
00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:43.780
that are available at net peak
00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:48.417
is only in place for years, 2021 and 2022
00:37:49.520 --> 00:37:52.853
unless superseded by a
future Commission decision.
00:37:54.730 --> 00:37:57.350
Finally, we have clarified that contracts
00:37:57.350 --> 00:38:00.480
for fossil fuel development at new sites
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:05.480
or for redevelopment or
full re-powering and existing
00:38:06.310 --> 00:38:08.880
or mock fault electric generation sites
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.513
will not be considered.
00:38:12.490 --> 00:38:14.780
This proposed decision,
00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:16.820
along with our earlier decision
00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:19.760
reflects our commitment
to approach the challenges
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.230
we have faced this summer and next
00:38:24.230 --> 00:38:28.380
from both the supply side and
then demand side perspective.
00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:31.603
We have had to make difficult
choices as I have mentioned,
00:38:32.620 --> 00:38:34.310
there are options on the table
00:38:34.310 --> 00:38:37.230
that I hope we never have to rely on.
00:38:37.230 --> 00:38:41.040
However, I believe it's
important that we have plans
00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:46.040
and contingency plans and
backup plans in our arsenal
00:38:46.060 --> 00:38:49.170
should we need them to ensure reliability
00:38:49.170 --> 00:38:51.343
for both this summer and next summer.
00:38:53.550 --> 00:38:57.420
A tremendous amount of work
was put into providing proposals
00:38:57.420 --> 00:38:58.920
and comments for this proceeding
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.773
on both demand and supply side approaches.
00:39:02.730 --> 00:39:05.330
I am grateful for the active participation
00:39:05.330 --> 00:39:08.063
of parties on this expedited timeframe.
00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:13.470
Finally, I would like to extend my thanks
00:39:13.470 --> 00:39:17.690
and my deepest admiration
to our superb PUC staff
00:39:17.690 --> 00:39:19.930
that have been working incredibly hard
00:39:19.930 --> 00:39:22.640
since last November on this proceeding
00:39:22.640 --> 00:39:26.710
through the holidays, through
the weekends, night and day
00:39:26.710 --> 00:39:29.680
it's been nothing short of incredible .
00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:32.670
First are excellent and incredibly dedicated
00:39:32.670 --> 00:39:35.953
and thorough Administrative
Judge Brian Stevens,
00:39:37.180 --> 00:39:38.740
our brilliant attorneys,
00:39:38.740 --> 00:39:41.563
Aaron Jacob Smith and Candace Morris.
00:39:42.430 --> 00:39:44.770
Our amazingly thoughtful and resourceful
00:39:44.770 --> 00:39:46.710
energy division staff
00:39:46.710 --> 00:39:50.240
starting out first with our
superstar project manager
00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:55.240
Jason Ortego, Simon Rant, Jamie Gannon
00:39:58.237 --> 00:39:59.070
Lynn Alco,
00:40:00.983 --> 00:40:02.150
Masoud Foudeh,
00:40:04.870 --> 00:40:06.023
Lauren Reiser,
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.730
Eric Johnson and Ed Pipe.
00:40:10.730 --> 00:40:14.120
Many members of the
energy division management
00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:16.050
who have rolled up their sleeves
00:40:16.050 --> 00:40:17.840
and work nights and weekends
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.947
along with their staff, a
special, special, thanks
00:40:21.947 --> 00:40:23.930
To Luke Burta,
00:40:23.930 --> 00:40:27.533
He understands demand
response like few of the people alive.
00:40:28.370 --> 00:40:32.070
And Bruce Kanashiro, Michelle Pido,
00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:37.460
Nathan Barsik, Carl Cain, Dina Mackin.
00:40:37.460 --> 00:40:42.460
And of course, of course,
Pete Scala and Ed Randolph
00:40:42.520 --> 00:40:46.303
their intellect and their
stamina is unsuppressed.
00:40:47.180 --> 00:40:50.670
I want to particularly thank
my Begley team partner
00:40:50.670 --> 00:40:54.060
Commissioner Rechtschaffen, and his adviser,
00:40:54.060 --> 00:40:58.120
Yuliya Shmidt, and his
chief of staff Sean Simon.
00:41:00.520 --> 00:41:04.860
And most deeply, I want to thank my advisor
00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:08.880
and the former adviser
to the great man Randolph
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.433
who started this proceeding in November,
00:41:12.548 --> 00:41:17.327
Annen Urvasla and my
incredible chief of staff
00:41:20.710 --> 00:41:24.460
who has kept this
proceeding rolling and moving
00:41:24.460 --> 00:41:26.400
every day along tracks
00:41:27.410 --> 00:41:32.410
with great respect and comedy
00:41:32.850 --> 00:41:36.363
and thoughts for my chief
of staff Shannon O'Rourke.
00:41:42.870 --> 00:41:46.290
With that I request my
fellow Commissioners support
00:41:46.290 --> 00:41:47.630
for item number 10.
00:41:47.630 --> 00:41:50.830
I will first turn to my Begley team partner
00:41:51.850 --> 00:41:53.820
Mr. Rechtschaffen for comments.
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:54.763
Thank you, Cliff.
00:41:56.446 --> 00:41:57.610
(clears throat)
00:41:57.610 --> 00:41:59.770
Thank you, President Batjer .
00:41:59.770 --> 00:42:04.770
I would like to first echo your appreciation
00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:07.520
and offer my own deep thanks
00:42:07.520 --> 00:42:12.150
to an extraordinarily hard working team
00:42:12.150 --> 00:42:14.270
that worked on this decision.
00:42:14.270 --> 00:42:15.690
I'm not going to repeat the numerous
00:42:15.690 --> 00:42:17.900
energy division staff that you mentioned,
00:42:17.900 --> 00:42:20.810
but they really are extraordinary
00:42:20.810 --> 00:42:22.690
and put in an incredible amount of time
00:42:22.690 --> 00:42:25.820
and are incredibly knowledgeable
00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:29.773
as well as Judge Steven and your office,
00:42:30.640 --> 00:42:33.810
your staff they've all put in
an enormous amount of time
00:42:33.810 --> 00:42:38.810
to come up with this decision
in a very compressed timeline.
00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:42.420
I also wanna thank you personally
00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:45.180
you put in an unbelievable amount
00:42:45.180 --> 00:42:48.990
of energy and effort into this decision.
00:42:48.990 --> 00:42:51.640
It's an extremely difficult one, stressful
00:42:51.640 --> 00:42:56.640
you balancing a host of issues
under extreme time pressure
00:42:58.130 --> 00:43:00.920
very strong views from the
parties and the Commissioners.
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.680
And you've pulled off a decision
00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:08.030
that touches on many many
aspects of our demand programs
00:43:08.030 --> 00:43:09.100
and our supply programs.
00:43:09.100 --> 00:43:10.590
So I thank you very much for that.
00:43:10.590 --> 00:43:14.493
And for your partnerships,
Begley team partnership.
00:43:16.130 --> 00:43:20.300
I will also echo the Commission's
very strong commitment
00:43:20.300 --> 00:43:21.870
to reliability.
00:43:21.870 --> 00:43:24.240
As President Batjer said
00:43:24.240 --> 00:43:26.793
keeping the lights on is our top priority.
00:43:27.660 --> 00:43:30.810
And we are extremely
focused on preventing the type
00:43:30.810 --> 00:43:34.833
of rotating outages we saw last August.
00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:37.800
And as President Batjer said
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.990
this decision takes important steps
00:43:39.990 --> 00:43:42.590
both to maintain reliability
00:43:42.590 --> 00:43:46.090
and to rethink our current
demand side program.
00:43:46.090 --> 00:43:48.850
I support the efforts to bring new customers
00:43:48.850 --> 00:43:51.330
into demand response program
00:43:51.330 --> 00:43:55.060
by expanding some programs
to residential customers
00:43:55.060 --> 00:43:59.730
and to customers with smaller
loads, lowering penalties
00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:04.730
and providing more flexibility in enrollment.
00:44:04.730 --> 00:44:06.690
I very much appreciate President Batjer
00:44:06.690 --> 00:44:10.580
and the team making
several important modifications
00:44:10.580 --> 00:44:12.053
that the parties proposed.
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:14.660
Some of those have been discussed
00:44:14.660 --> 00:44:16.340
by the parties and President Batjer
00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:19.550
but these important ones include
00:44:19.550 --> 00:44:21.860
clarifying that re-powering
00:44:21.860 --> 00:44:25.620
not just existing by mothballed gas plants.
00:44:25.620 --> 00:44:29.290
Can't be used toward the
procurement requirements
00:44:29.290 --> 00:44:33.120
in this order authorizing phase two
00:44:33.120 --> 00:44:38.120
of Southern California
Edison virtual power plant pilot
00:44:38.370 --> 00:44:40.790
I think that will help us move forward
00:44:40.790 --> 00:44:43.970
with an innovative
distributed energy resource
00:44:43.970 --> 00:44:48.863
that has a lot of promise for
this application and others.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.700
We also heard President Batjer explain
00:44:51.700 --> 00:44:54.070
that the use of backup generation
00:44:54.070 --> 00:44:59.070
during test events in the
ELRP program is prohibited.
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.670
I think it's very important
that the proceeding
00:45:02.670 --> 00:45:07.670
is left open to consider
demand response proposals
00:45:07.730 --> 00:45:10.750
that the parties have put forward.
00:45:10.750 --> 00:45:12.390
Like President Batjer ,
00:45:12.390 --> 00:45:15.620
I find particularly promising
00:45:15.620 --> 00:45:19.020
say has Just Flex Rewards program.
00:45:19.020 --> 00:45:20.210
This is a simple...
00:45:20.210 --> 00:45:23.130
Looks like a simple easy to use DR program
00:45:23.130 --> 00:45:26.670
with a very low barrier of participation
00:45:26.670 --> 00:45:28.163
for low-income customers.
00:45:29.180 --> 00:45:32.180
And look it could bring
in numerous participants
00:45:32.180 --> 00:45:33.873
to our demand response programs.
00:45:33.873 --> 00:45:36.640
So it's well worth considering.
00:45:36.640 --> 00:45:40.820
I'd also like to see how
we can explore further
00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:44.270
how to prioritize disadvantaged communities,
00:45:44.270 --> 00:45:49.143
low income customers in our
demand response programs.
00:45:50.460 --> 00:45:53.740
One other set of issues
that I hope gets a closer look
00:45:54.740 --> 00:45:56.480
in the next phase of the proceeding
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.560
is ways to provide more opportunities
00:45:59.560 --> 00:46:04.390
for electric vehicles to
participate in demand response.
00:46:04.390 --> 00:46:08.420
There's several barriers that
could be removed potentially
00:46:08.420 --> 00:46:13.420
allowing residential EVs to
participate in the ELRP program,
00:46:14.100 --> 00:46:17.010
lowering the minimum size of a customer
00:46:17.010 --> 00:46:18.460
in group A in the program
00:46:18.460 --> 00:46:22.630
and temporarily waving
the interconnection fee
00:46:22.630 --> 00:46:24.750
under rule 21.
00:46:24.750 --> 00:46:29.250
I think that those are
important potential opportunities
00:46:29.250 --> 00:46:31.630
that we should take advantage of.
00:46:31.630 --> 00:46:35.110
I also want to note that
the decision acknowledges
00:46:35.110 --> 00:46:37.360
that the CAISO is considering changes
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.000
to baseline methodology to
account for extreme events
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.610
and pave the way for any changes that result
00:46:44.610 --> 00:46:46.580
from the process to be incorporated
00:46:46.580 --> 00:46:49.483
into demand response programs.
00:46:52.470 --> 00:46:57.432
I finally wanna address the
issue of backup generators.
00:46:57.432 --> 00:47:00.120
Like President Batjer ,
00:47:00.120 --> 00:47:02.480
like all of us are quite concerned
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.510
about the use of these generators,
00:47:04.510 --> 00:47:07.340
particularly in disadvantaged communities
00:47:07.340 --> 00:47:10.050
like President Batjer we all very much hope
00:47:10.050 --> 00:47:11.693
they won't have to be deployed.
00:47:12.600 --> 00:47:15.260
And if that has to be part of
our emergency procurement
00:47:15.260 --> 00:47:20.260
we want to use them as sparingly as possible.
00:47:20.870 --> 00:47:24.540
I understand including them
in the program for this summer
00:47:24.540 --> 00:47:28.233
given the acute conditions
we're currently facing.
00:47:29.910 --> 00:47:32.460
However, I would like to see this aspect
00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:36.990
of the program reviewed after this summer
00:47:36.990 --> 00:47:40.290
in order to determine whether to continue it
00:47:40.290 --> 00:47:42.853
after this calendar year.
00:47:43.990 --> 00:47:45.940
The proceeding is being held open
00:47:45.940 --> 00:47:47.700
and as President Batjer notes
00:47:47.700 --> 00:47:51.100
it directs utilities to collect data
00:47:51.100 --> 00:47:53.710
on backup generator participation
00:47:53.710 --> 00:47:55.160
in the program this summer
00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:59.760
several parties have argued
that a backup generator
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.230
should be dispatched last in the ELRP program
00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:05.670
and should be dispatched
00:48:05.670 --> 00:48:09.680
after the base interruptible program.
00:48:09.680 --> 00:48:10.513
So President Batjer
00:48:10.513 --> 00:48:13.220
I very much appreciate your earlier comment
00:48:13.220 --> 00:48:16.940
about the intent to continue
looking at the program.
00:48:16.940 --> 00:48:18.260
And I just want to follow up
00:48:18.260 --> 00:48:21.610
about just to confirm your
understanding and agreement
00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:23.070
about what we're doing
00:48:23.070 --> 00:48:27.460
and is it that we will be
looking at data collected
00:48:27.460 --> 00:48:30.050
from this summer
00:48:30.050 --> 00:48:33.460
to inform what should be done about bugs
00:48:33.460 --> 00:48:37.757
in future years of the program including 2022
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:43.260
and including whether to
require that a be dispatched
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:45.510
after all other resources.
00:48:45.510 --> 00:48:46.563
Can I ask you that?
00:48:47.830 --> 00:48:48.823
Yes, of course.
00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:54.000
And I do agree with you
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.770
that it will be valuable, very valuable
00:48:56.770 --> 00:49:01.610
as I mentioned, to look at
the data collected this summer
00:49:01.610 --> 00:49:04.010
to inform decisions regarding the use of bugs
00:49:04.010 --> 00:49:06.940
in the future of the program.
00:49:06.940 --> 00:49:09.440
I want to reiterate that I'm also requesting
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.880
that this summer the
energy division coordinate
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:12.870
with the IOUs.
00:49:12.870 --> 00:49:15.170
I mentioned this before,
I just want to repeat
00:49:16.110 --> 00:49:19.270
I've asked the energy division
to coordinate with the IOUs
00:49:19.270 --> 00:49:22.170
and the local air districts
and the air resources board.
00:49:22.170 --> 00:49:26.280
See if there is additional
steps that we can take
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:29.250
to reduce the likelihood of
triggering the use of bugs
00:49:29.250 --> 00:49:31.450
especially in the disadvantaged communities.
00:49:31.450 --> 00:49:33.713
Absolutely, we will be looking at that.
00:49:34.550 --> 00:49:37.740
One of the reasons I want
to keep this proceeding open
00:49:37.740 --> 00:49:41.630
and we will be looking
at that once we conclude
00:49:41.630 --> 00:49:46.630
the high weather danger
periods of August, September
00:49:47.550 --> 00:49:49.280
and I dare say October,
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.200
because we came close this last year,
00:49:51.200 --> 00:49:54.150
the two first two weeks in October as well
00:49:54.150 --> 00:49:56.100
the demand for it got very frightening.
00:49:58.310 --> 00:50:01.970
So we will be looking
at this in the proceeding
00:50:01.970 --> 00:50:04.600
and we will be looking at it in particular
00:50:04.600 --> 00:50:09.600
to see how it will be feasible
00:50:12.190 --> 00:50:15.870
to not use bugs and
including by the way,
00:50:15.870 --> 00:50:18.230
the feasibility of a dispatch order.
00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:21.651
I didn't mention that earlier, but we will.
00:50:21.651 --> 00:50:23.760
You have my pledge.
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.180
That's what you're asking
for that we will do that.
00:50:27.180 --> 00:50:28.820
And I've already spoken
00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:33.820
to Deputy Executive Director Ed Randolph
00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:36.453
and he fully agreed.
00:50:38.570 --> 00:50:39.430
Thank you very much.
00:50:39.430 --> 00:50:40.890
I appreciate that.
00:50:40.890 --> 00:50:43.740
That focused, especially
00:50:43.740 --> 00:50:45.090
and including the direction
00:50:47.876 --> 00:50:49.840
for the staff to work with other agencies,
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.510
to see if there are
additional steps we can take
00:50:54.510 --> 00:50:57.120
to reduce the likelihood of triggering
00:50:58.390 --> 00:51:01.723
the use of these resources in
disadvantaged communities.
00:51:02.700 --> 00:51:06.723
I would say that my real hope
00:51:08.890 --> 00:51:12.340
is that we will have no data to look at.
00:51:12.340 --> 00:51:17.000
Because there will be no
use of backup generation
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.213
because we will not have to call on it so.
00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:23.450
That would be a very good result.
00:51:24.455 --> 00:51:26.470
I don't wanna renege on my pledge
00:51:26.470 --> 00:51:28.180
if indeed we have no data,
00:51:28.180 --> 00:51:30.096
but we will still look at the feasibility.
00:51:30.096 --> 00:51:30.929
(audio breaks)
00:51:30.929 --> 00:51:31.762
Correct, Thank you.
00:51:31.762 --> 00:51:34.310
And I very much look
forward to the discussion
00:51:34.310 --> 00:51:38.440
that will follow from the data
we collect after this summer.
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.240
And that can inform our decisions regarding
00:51:42.240 --> 00:51:47.240
the use of backup generators
in 2022 and in the future.
00:51:50.350 --> 00:51:52.880
With that I will be voting
to support the decision
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:54.513
that concludes my remarks.
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:56.530
Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:58.180
And who would like to speak next?
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.177
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
00:52:03.680 --> 00:52:05.200
Thank you, President Batjer
00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:09.510
and thank you for highlighting
all the tremendous work
00:52:09.510 --> 00:52:12.523
by our staff and all of the parties
00:52:12.523 --> 00:52:14.250
that have spent so much time
00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:17.150
in preparing us for this summer and next.
00:52:17.150 --> 00:52:21.070
And as I've shared in the past,
00:52:21.070 --> 00:52:24.650
I won't spend any more time
on this backup generation issue
00:52:24.650 --> 00:52:27.080
as the public so eloquently stated
00:52:27.080 --> 00:52:29.187
and as you and Commissioner Rechtschaffen
00:52:29.187 --> 00:52:32.930
have already committed to a pathway here.
00:52:32.930 --> 00:52:37.840
I'm glad to hear in addition
to what's in the decision
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.350
some of what you've
highlighted is a commitment
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.610
on our own to work with our sister agencies
00:52:44.610 --> 00:52:47.200
and particularly our local agencies
00:52:47.200 --> 00:52:50.930
and the commitment to
really update the program
00:52:50.930 --> 00:52:52.093
as we move forward.
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.240
I agree fundamentally our
role as Commissioners here
00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:02.320
in addition with our sister agencies
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:06.740
is to have the power stay on and be reliable,
00:53:06.740 --> 00:53:10.210
particularly when customers are not given
00:53:10.210 --> 00:53:11.930
any sort of planning or notice
00:53:11.930 --> 00:53:15.600
and all of the danger that comes with that.
00:53:15.600 --> 00:53:19.190
And that being our most fundamental role
00:53:21.220 --> 00:53:26.220
last summer was something
that the pace of climate
00:53:28.170 --> 00:53:31.350
has really caught up to us
00:53:31.350 --> 00:53:34.590
in a way that many times
as we've seen in our work,
00:53:34.590 --> 00:53:36.053
we did not anticipate.
00:53:37.070 --> 00:53:39.767
And this along with many of the decisions
00:53:39.767 --> 00:53:42.980
and our sister agency acted yesterday
00:53:42.980 --> 00:53:47.980
to really boost the supplies
for this fall and late summer,
00:53:48.670 --> 00:53:52.610
excuse me, to be prepared for these events.
00:53:52.610 --> 00:53:56.840
I too hope that the particular program
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:58.270
we've had a lot of discussion
00:53:58.270 --> 00:54:00.560
about the Emergency Load Reduction Program
00:54:00.560 --> 00:54:01.960
is not called upon
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.320
because of all the other
actions that have been taken
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.600
by ourselves and our sister agencies
00:54:07.600 --> 00:54:11.113
most notably increasing
the planning reserve margin.
00:54:12.490 --> 00:54:16.850
And I also wanted to speak
to some of the concerns
00:54:16.850 --> 00:54:19.490
that these actions persist summer next,
00:54:19.490 --> 00:54:24.490
or somehow while I acknowledge
seemingly inconsistent
00:54:26.220 --> 00:54:30.160
they do not in any way
take us off our pathway
00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:35.160
to meeting our goals, our
100% clean energy goals
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.280
and certainly look to some
of our concurrent actions.
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.750
Most notably the Commissioner Rechtschaffen
00:54:43.750 --> 00:54:46.640
proceeding on the
integrated resource planning
00:54:46.640 --> 00:54:50.650
and really accelerating the need to...
00:54:51.870 --> 00:54:54.540
Accelerate our procurement to meet our goals,
00:54:54.540 --> 00:54:57.280
given the reality that we've been faced with
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.399
over the last year and this upcoming year
00:55:00.399 --> 00:55:01.913
and the following year.
00:55:03.140 --> 00:55:06.890
So I know that these packages
00:55:08.020 --> 00:55:10.460
don't seem to be a building block
00:55:10.460 --> 00:55:14.640
but I think it's important
for the public to know
00:55:14.640 --> 00:55:18.540
that we're just as committed as before.
00:55:18.540 --> 00:55:21.100
And we have these other venues
00:55:21.100 --> 00:55:23.990
where we're discussing the acceleration
00:55:23.990 --> 00:55:25.080
of meeting those goals
00:55:25.080 --> 00:55:27.620
given the reality of our climate changing
00:55:27.620 --> 00:55:32.493
at a much more rapid pace
than we previously planned on.
00:55:34.250 --> 00:55:38.020
So with that, I will be
supporting this decision.
00:55:38.020 --> 00:55:38.853
Thank you.
00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:44.470
Thank you, Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
00:55:44.470 --> 00:55:45.720
Yes Commissioner Shiroma.
00:55:48.020 --> 00:55:53.020
Thank you President Batjer
and the tremendous team
00:55:55.270 --> 00:55:59.600
they're here at the CPUC on this effort.
00:55:59.600 --> 00:56:02.910
It is clear and from your presentation
00:56:02.910 --> 00:56:06.510
I do hope that the viewing audience,
00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:11.510
the folks who've tuned in
can see the efforts made
00:56:11.530 --> 00:56:16.630
how hard this is,
how personal this is
00:56:17.630 --> 00:56:20.240
and (clears throat)I will be voting
00:56:20.240 --> 00:56:23.220
in support of the decision
00:56:23.220 --> 00:56:26.190
and very much appreciate
revisions that were made
00:56:26.190 --> 00:56:27.633
in response to comments.
00:56:28.910 --> 00:56:33.300
I think back to the series
of events last summer
00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:37.180
the urgent scrambling by us,
00:56:37.180 --> 00:56:39.150
the energy Commission, the CAISO,
00:56:39.150 --> 00:56:40.943
the Governor's office and others.
00:56:41.910 --> 00:56:46.040
And it is a reminder that
things get thrown at us
00:56:46.040 --> 00:56:49.640
and we must be flexible
and nimble in responding
00:56:50.750 --> 00:56:54.300
while keeping an eye to the long game here
00:56:54.300 --> 00:56:57.070
that other Commissioners have referred to
00:56:57.070 --> 00:57:02.070
in terms of our commitment
and our path to 2045, 2030, 2040
00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:08.820
in the path to the clean energy
00:57:09.620 --> 00:57:11.720
to the zero greenhouse footprint.
00:57:11.720 --> 00:57:16.720
In the meantime, we had
those horrendous, heat storms
00:57:17.140 --> 00:57:20.400
and we don't want to be caught unprepared.
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:25.400
We've got to be prepared for
this coming year and beyond.
00:57:25.540 --> 00:57:27.990
This decision contains many actions
00:57:28.850 --> 00:57:33.740
to decrease energy demand
and also increase energy supply
00:57:33.740 --> 00:57:37.290
during peak net peak demand hours.
00:57:37.290 --> 00:57:41.250
Again, as others have
said, it is a collective effort
00:57:41.250 --> 00:57:45.890
by many state agencies
who are working very hard
00:57:45.890 --> 00:57:50.040
to assure that we have
that reliability this summer
00:57:50.040 --> 00:57:51.883
and are poised for the future.
00:57:53.490 --> 00:57:58.490
We definitely need all engagement.
00:57:59.310 --> 00:58:02.340
So I understand why there are...
00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:06.280
In particular the proposed
revisions that were made
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.060
to the Emergency Load Reduction Program
00:58:09.060 --> 00:58:14.060
and in the proposed decision
it's referred to as the ELRP.
00:58:16.043 --> 00:58:19.950
And meanwhile the more recent revisions made
00:58:19.950 --> 00:58:22.100
are very, very welcomed.
00:58:22.100 --> 00:58:25.050
And as President Batjer has outlined
00:58:25.050 --> 00:58:29.573
this program is one that
we hope is never invoked.
00:58:30.660 --> 00:58:35.350
That's the last resort,
but certainly the absolute
00:58:35.350 --> 00:58:37.700
the temporary allowance
of prohibited resources
00:58:37.700 --> 00:58:38.533
is a tough one,
00:58:38.533 --> 00:58:41.810
especially pertaining to
diesel backup generation
00:58:41.810 --> 00:58:46.220
here, again with everything
that has been put in place
00:58:46.220 --> 00:58:51.220
if we can be informed and informed you
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.810
that it is the last resort
unlikely to be invoked,
00:58:55.810 --> 00:59:00.300
but if it is invoked it will be there
00:59:00.300 --> 00:59:02.700
for keeping that reliability.
00:59:02.700 --> 00:59:05.970
Those revisions that were made(clears throat)
00:59:05.970 --> 00:59:07.900
the so-called redlines
00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:12.720
set up a path for cleaner backup resources,
00:59:12.720 --> 00:59:14.600
by committing revisions
00:59:14.600 --> 00:59:18.340
through the demand
response application proceeding
00:59:18.340 --> 00:59:21.280
expected in November, this very November.
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.730
And that is outlined in the proposed decision
00:59:24.730 --> 00:59:26.153
that's before us today,
00:59:28.080 --> 00:59:30.480
that is geared all towards minimizing
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.720
the use of diesel backup generation
00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:35.340
especially in disadvantaged communities.
00:59:35.340 --> 00:59:37.880
And today I very much appreciate
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:41.330
that President Batjer has clearly outlined
00:59:41.330 --> 00:59:43.240
that we're not waiting.
00:59:43.240 --> 00:59:47.560
She has tasked our energy
division, very hardworking staff,
00:59:47.560 --> 00:59:50.510
to work with the investor on utility
00:59:50.510 --> 00:59:52.450
to work with the Air Reources Board
00:59:52.450 --> 00:59:54.660
the Air Quality Management District
00:59:54.660 --> 00:59:58.540
on addressing what other resources are there
00:59:58.540 --> 01:00:02.130
what else can be done
in addressing air pollution
01:00:02.130 --> 01:00:07.130
and scowering whether
there are any alternatives
01:00:07.200 --> 01:00:10.250
for diesel backup generation.
01:00:10.250 --> 01:00:13.470
I am pleased too to see that
the proceeding will remain open
01:00:13.470 --> 01:00:15.980
after we vote out this decision.
01:00:15.980 --> 01:00:17.900
Parties and expressed that
01:00:17.900 --> 01:00:22.290
in comments are a lot of
good ideas left to consider
01:00:22.290 --> 01:00:24.610
and the Commission can continue building
01:00:24.610 --> 01:00:28.600
upon the work done so
far to keep the lights on
01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:33.420
now, 2021 summer and beyond.
01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:37.060
It's been a Herculean
effort, a very tough effort.
01:00:37.060 --> 01:00:41.110
I appreciate all the hard
work that everyone has done
01:00:41.110 --> 01:00:43.210
and that out of adversity
01:00:43.210 --> 01:00:46.036
we've looked at opportunities for the future.
01:00:46.036 --> 01:00:49.003
And I think that's what the proposed decision
01:00:49.003 --> 01:00:51.680
that the revisions in response to comments
01:00:51.680 --> 01:00:55.170
has pleased to have us do.
01:00:55.170 --> 01:00:56.003
Thank you.
01:00:58.600 --> 01:00:59.780
Thank you Commissioner Shiroma.
01:00:59.780 --> 01:01:01.080
Commissioner Houck please.
01:01:02.500 --> 01:01:04.050
Thank you, President Batjer .
01:01:05.860 --> 01:01:08.520
I would like to begin by thanking you
01:01:08.520 --> 01:01:11.160
President Batjer and your
office and ALJ seasons
01:01:11.160 --> 01:01:12.520
for this important decision
01:01:12.520 --> 01:01:15.550
and all of the hard work that was done to get
01:01:15.550 --> 01:01:17.700
to this very thoughtful results.
01:01:17.700 --> 01:01:19.220
There was a tremendous amount of work
01:01:19.220 --> 01:01:21.020
on a very accelerated timeframe
01:01:21.020 --> 01:01:23.960
as was noted by the other Commissioners.
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.150
And I also want to thank the parties
01:01:26.150 --> 01:01:27.790
who participated in the proceeding,
01:01:27.790 --> 01:01:30.330
including the recent oral arguments
01:01:30.330 --> 01:01:32.540
thank and acknowledge the public
01:01:32.540 --> 01:01:34.410
for coming to comment today.
01:01:34.410 --> 01:01:37.670
And again for President Batjer
01:01:37.670 --> 01:01:40.540
and all of the Commissioners that stated
01:01:40.540 --> 01:01:42.630
I agree with all of you that we are concerned
01:01:42.630 --> 01:01:44.180
and aware that we need to move forward
01:01:44.180 --> 01:01:46.810
with our SB 100 clean energy goals.
01:01:46.810 --> 01:01:49.200
And we need to also balance that
01:01:49.200 --> 01:01:52.500
with ensuring that we
have reliability on the grid,
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:56.500
particularly for 2021 and 2022.
01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:59.010
This PD establishes a framework and a plan
01:01:59.010 --> 01:02:02.370
to increase energy supply
and decrease energy demand
01:02:02.370 --> 01:02:05.770
during peak demand hours in
the event California experiences
01:02:05.770 --> 01:02:08.880
and other extreme weather
events like last summer
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:10.620
as my colleagues have discussed today
01:02:10.620 --> 01:02:13.130
the Emergency Load Reduction Program,
01:02:13.130 --> 01:02:16.040
the ELRP will be used on a contingency basis
01:02:16.040 --> 01:02:18.530
to ensure that additional
capacity is available
01:02:18.530 --> 01:02:20.223
during an weather event.
01:02:21.120 --> 01:02:23.590
I share the concerns raised
by the other Commissioners
01:02:23.590 --> 01:02:26.850
and want to note that the
Commission maintains a policy
01:02:26.850 --> 01:02:29.270
where diesel backup
generators are not eligible
01:02:29.270 --> 01:02:32.640
to participate in our standard
demand response programs.
01:02:32.640 --> 01:02:35.560
And that this PD does not alter that policy.
01:02:35.560 --> 01:02:38.740
The Emergency Load Reduction
Program establishes a framework
01:02:38.740 --> 01:02:41.580
where the ELRP is for use in emergencies only
01:02:41.580 --> 01:02:44.680
and is triggered by an alert from CAISO.
01:02:44.680 --> 01:02:46.367
This means that the resources ,
01:02:49.620 --> 01:02:51.140
they can only be used if triggered
01:02:51.140 --> 01:02:53.500
and that's only if and when they're needed.
01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:55.650
In the event there's another
extreme weather event.
01:02:55.650 --> 01:02:59.060
Like the one we experienced in
August and September of 2020
01:02:59.060 --> 01:03:02.120
the ELRP provides a plan
that's structured, organized
01:03:02.120 --> 01:03:03.340
and still in compliance
01:03:03.340 --> 01:03:06.100
with the existing air permitting requirements
01:03:06.100 --> 01:03:07.957
as noted by President Batjer.
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:12.640
I also wanna highlight that the addition
01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:16.020
of the data collection
requirement is very important.
01:03:16.020 --> 01:03:17.213
And I agree with my other Commissioners
01:03:17.213 --> 01:03:20.060
that this revision is going to...
01:03:20.060 --> 01:03:22.230
That requires reporting about the location
01:03:22.230 --> 01:03:24.140
and fuel types for backup generators
01:03:24.140 --> 01:03:26.920
that participate in the ELRP
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:31.920
will provide data for us to
allow us to take another look at
01:03:34.270 --> 01:03:36.370
the backup generators where they're located,
01:03:36.370 --> 01:03:37.680
how often they're used.
01:03:37.680 --> 01:03:39.630
And again, we all hope that this program
01:03:39.630 --> 01:03:41.530
will not be utilized this summer.
01:03:41.530 --> 01:03:43.090
But consistent with the decision.
01:03:43.090 --> 01:03:46.370
This is going to allow the
Commission to revisit the design
01:03:46.370 --> 01:03:48.680
of the program app going forward
01:03:48.680 --> 01:03:51.860
and will minimize or
potentially could eliminate
01:03:51.860 --> 01:03:54.120
the use of backup generators going forward
01:03:54.120 --> 01:03:57.040
after these initial years.
01:03:57.040 --> 01:04:01.750
I'm pleased with President Batjer comments
01:04:01.750 --> 01:04:02.933
and Commissioner Rechtschaffen
01:04:02.933 --> 01:04:06.070
that this data will be looked
at on an ongoing basis.
01:04:06.070 --> 01:04:08.900
And the proceeding is being left open.
01:04:08.900 --> 01:04:13.220
I also want to support and point out
01:04:13.220 --> 01:04:15.310
that this is an opportunity for coordination
01:04:15.310 --> 01:04:18.520
and information sharing
with our sister agencies,
01:04:18.520 --> 01:04:21.100
that Air Resources Board, Local Air Districts
01:04:21.100 --> 01:04:23.210
and encourage our staff to closely monitor
01:04:23.210 --> 01:04:24.630
the information that comes in
01:04:24.630 --> 01:04:28.450
and review it with our sister
agencies and stakeholders.
01:04:28.450 --> 01:04:32.850
Next, I wanted to turn to
some of the other revisions
01:04:32.850 --> 01:04:33.683
in particular.
01:04:33.683 --> 01:04:36.380
I am also pleased that the
proceeding will be kept open
01:04:36.380 --> 01:04:38.880
to consider additional
demand response options
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.520
for the summer of 2022.
01:04:41.520 --> 01:04:43.640
Given the robust record the parties developed
01:04:43.640 --> 01:04:46.140
in the proceeding underlying the importance
01:04:46.140 --> 01:04:47.990
of the DR policy going forward.
01:04:47.990 --> 01:04:50.730
I wanna note that the
California Energy Commission
01:04:50.730 --> 01:04:52.690
recently adopted their scoping memo
01:04:52.690 --> 01:04:56.690
for the 2021 hyper report on March 16th.
01:04:56.690 --> 01:04:59.700
And that is going to
examine future energy needs
01:04:59.700 --> 01:05:01.130
for California.
01:05:01.130 --> 01:05:04.680
And the scoping memo is
particularly going to look at
01:05:04.680 --> 01:05:06.810
reliability over the next five years
01:05:06.810 --> 01:05:09.930
and identifies demand response
as an opportunity to support
01:05:09.930 --> 01:05:12.950
and improve reliability
and resource efficiency,
01:05:12.950 --> 01:05:15.580
both in the near term and longterm planning.
01:05:15.580 --> 01:05:17.990
To that end it's important
that Commission also
01:05:17.990 --> 01:05:19.860
have an active procedural venue
01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:23.630
whether it's the continuation
of this proceeding
01:05:23.630 --> 01:05:26.440
or the proceeding that
Commissioner Shiroma referenced
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.560
for November to consider
opportunities and barriers
01:05:29.560 --> 01:05:32.620
related to expanding the
role of demand response.
01:05:32.620 --> 01:05:34.300
Before I close, I want to again,
01:05:34.300 --> 01:05:36.620
reiterate my thanks to ALJ Stevens
01:05:36.620 --> 01:05:39.500
and President Batjer and
her office for their leadership
01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:43.310
and taking on this very challenging role.
01:05:43.310 --> 01:05:45.050
I also want to thank and recognize
01:05:45.050 --> 01:05:48.830
the energy division staff
who were named earlier
01:05:49.900 --> 01:05:51.850
for all of their hard work.
01:05:51.850 --> 01:05:53.460
This is a tremendous amount of work
01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:57.140
in a very short period of time
with very challenging issues.
01:05:57.140 --> 01:06:00.770
So again, this decision
requires thoughtful balancing
01:06:00.770 --> 01:06:02.560
very difficult and challenging issues.
01:06:02.560 --> 01:06:05.670
And I wanna thank everyone for their work
01:06:05.670 --> 01:06:07.943
and thoughtfulness that went
into this important decision
01:06:07.943 --> 01:06:10.944
and I will be supporting that decision.
01:06:10.944 --> 01:06:11.777
Thank you.
01:06:14.630 --> 01:06:16.690
Thank you, Commissioner Houck.
01:06:16.690 --> 01:06:19.280
And I do want to thank all
my fellow Commissioners
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:24.280
for their appreciation of
staff and their recognition
01:06:26.200 --> 01:06:28.160
of all of this hard work that was done
01:06:28.160 --> 01:06:30.533
over a very short amount of time.
01:06:32.060 --> 01:06:34.310
We've done some records, speed decisions
01:06:34.310 --> 01:06:35.790
in the last two or three years.
01:06:35.790 --> 01:06:38.010
Well, I can only say for
the last year and a half
01:06:38.010 --> 01:06:40.900
while I've been here I have witnessed,
01:06:40.900 --> 01:06:43.790
and it's not without expense.
01:06:43.790 --> 01:06:48.790
Often times to people, their
personal lives, their families
01:06:49.330 --> 01:06:54.330
their time to celebrate
holidays and birthdays.
01:06:56.240 --> 01:07:00.550
And if that's able to go
out for a run with their dog
01:07:00.550 --> 01:07:04.170
I mean, people given up a lot of of things
01:07:04.170 --> 01:07:08.203
and I appreciate your recognition of that.
01:07:09.720 --> 01:07:12.450
So with that will the agenda clerk
01:07:12.450 --> 01:07:14.103
please call the roll for item 10.
01:07:15.830 --> 01:07:17.193
Commissioner Houck.
01:07:18.550 --> 01:07:20.200
Yes.
01:07:20.200 --> 01:07:22.180
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:07:22.180 --> 01:07:23.845
Aye.
01:07:23.845 --> 01:07:25.905
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
01:07:25.905 --> 01:07:27.530
Yes.
01:07:27.530 --> 01:07:29.727
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:07:29.727 --> 01:07:31.313
Aye.
01:07:31.313 --> 01:07:32.146
President Batjer .
01:07:33.220 --> 01:07:37.410
Yes, the vote for item
number 10 is unanimous.
01:07:37.410 --> 01:07:39.060
Thank you all.
01:07:39.060 --> 01:07:41.220
Will be known in the agenda today
01:07:41.220 --> 01:07:44.400
management reports,
there's no report for item 11
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.560
which is a Management Report and Discussion
01:07:46.560 --> 01:07:49.640
on recent consumer
protection and safety activities.
01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:52.470
And there's no report for item 12
01:07:52.470 --> 01:07:54.190
Management Reports and Discussion
01:07:54.190 --> 01:07:56.340
on Administrative Activities.
01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:59.320
We'll now turn to the Commissioner's report.
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:01.053
Who would like to speak first?
01:08:03.640 --> 01:08:06.197
Okay, Commissioner Shiroma.
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:09.670
I was pausing to see if
the other Commissioners
01:08:09.670 --> 01:08:10.603
wanna go first.
01:08:11.702 --> 01:08:13.450
(indistinct)
01:08:13.450 --> 01:08:16.410
To kind of be on the spot.
01:08:16.410 --> 01:08:18.790
Anyways, I have a few things to share.
01:08:18.790 --> 01:08:20.700
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:08:20.700 --> 01:08:23.790
Yesterday, I participated on a panel
01:08:23.790 --> 01:08:27.513
for the National Diversity
Coalition's virtual town hall.
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:31.603
They had invited the CPUC to participate.
01:08:31.603 --> 01:08:33.310
(clears throat)
And I was pleased to
01:08:33.310 --> 01:08:35.470
do that on our behalf.
01:08:35.470 --> 01:08:37.910
It was a town hall in response
01:08:37.910 --> 01:08:42.910
to the unprecedented health
and economic impact of COVID-19
01:08:43.870 --> 01:08:47.580
that has been experienced by Californians
01:08:47.580 --> 01:08:49.300
and across the nation
01:08:49.300 --> 01:08:52.513
especially the most
vulnerable utility customers.
01:08:53.450 --> 01:08:56.770
I also appreciated that during the town hall
01:08:56.770 --> 01:08:58.950
there was acknowledgement expressed
01:08:58.950 --> 01:09:01.230
by the National Diversity Coalition
01:09:01.230 --> 01:09:04.410
and the panelists on the need to do more
01:09:04.410 --> 01:09:07.760
to combat anti-Asian rhetoric.
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:09.500
And I do want to thank Faith Bautista
01:09:09.500 --> 01:09:11.010
the Chief Executive Officer
01:09:11.010 --> 01:09:13.320
at the National Diversity Coalition
01:09:13.320 --> 01:09:15.990
where the opportunity to share how the CPUC
01:09:15.990 --> 01:09:18.250
in concert with Governor our sister agencies
01:09:18.250 --> 01:09:23.250
and utilities supposedly
responded to the pandemic
01:09:24.470 --> 01:09:27.810
with emergency customer protections
01:09:27.810 --> 01:09:30.663
that suspended disconnection
for essential services,
01:09:31.570 --> 01:09:35.570
payment plans to manage
the pandemic driven arrearages
01:09:35.570 --> 01:09:38.693
and low-income programs
to help reduce customer bills.
01:09:39.530 --> 01:09:41.870
There were a couple of takeaways I learned
01:09:41.870 --> 01:09:42.920
from the other panelists
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:47.530
which included Robert Kenny from PG&E
01:09:47.530 --> 01:09:51.470
and Dr. Kiesha Taylor from T-Mobile.
01:09:51.470 --> 01:09:53.310
First the work that we do at the CPUC
01:09:53.310 --> 01:09:54.630
is critically important.
01:09:54.630 --> 01:09:56.730
We talked about that earlier this morning.
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.030
This is especially during times of crisis.
01:10:00.030 --> 01:10:02.820
We touch so many lives and let's ensure
01:10:02.820 --> 01:10:05.890
all California's and our vulnerable customers
01:10:05.890 --> 01:10:09.980
have access to affordable
and reliable services.
01:10:09.980 --> 01:10:12.050
Second, we must continue to seek ways
01:10:12.050 --> 01:10:15.780
to address the diverse needs
of the communities we serve
01:10:15.780 --> 01:10:19.810
to ensure the state meets
its clean energy goals.
01:10:19.810 --> 01:10:23.090
We need to clearly understand
the diversity of our state
01:10:23.090 --> 01:10:25.450
economically and geographically
01:10:25.450 --> 01:10:28.900
to make California better
prepared for natural disasters.
01:10:28.900 --> 01:10:32.240
It was a great event with
a diverse audience outside
01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:34.550
of the industry including students
01:10:34.550 --> 01:10:36.790
and the military from across the country.
01:10:36.790 --> 01:10:38.610
And I always appreciate the opportunity
01:10:38.610 --> 01:10:41.470
to share our important work.
01:10:41.470 --> 01:10:44.620
I also want to take a moment
to introduce our new analyst
01:10:44.620 --> 01:10:47.350
on my team, Brianna Grant,
01:10:47.350 --> 01:10:50.400
prior to joining my team Brianna worked
01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:53.980
at the San Joaquin County
District Attorney's office
01:10:53.980 --> 01:10:55.920
and her final assignment being
01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:59.400
on the Child Abuse and
Sexual Assault Prosecution team
01:11:00.310 --> 01:11:03.770
prior to working for San
Joaquin County District Attorney
01:11:03.770 --> 01:11:07.220
she worked in the private
sector of the law firm,
01:11:07.220 --> 01:11:11.700
Dreyer Babich Buccola Wood and Campora.
01:11:11.700 --> 01:11:15.390
Brianna received her Bachelor's in Psychology
01:11:15.390 --> 01:11:17.600
from Saquon State University
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.320
recently earned a JD McGeorge School of Law.
01:11:21.320 --> 01:11:23.110
She's currently pursuing her master's
01:11:23.110 --> 01:11:27.090
in Clinical Psychology
at Pepperdine University.
01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:29.440
She is joining us in our Sacramento office.
01:11:29.440 --> 01:11:32.520
Please give a warm welcome to Brianna.
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:36.550
Virtually or if you
eventually see her in person.
01:11:36.550 --> 01:11:39.670
And I want to wrap up
by saying congratulations
01:11:39.670 --> 01:11:42.140
to Assemblymember, Rob Bonta
01:11:42.140 --> 01:11:44.080
on being nominated by Governor Newsom
01:11:44.080 --> 01:11:47.513
to be our next California attorney general,
01:11:48.440 --> 01:11:50.970
a long time attorney and Yale alumni
01:11:50.970 --> 01:11:52.570
like Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
01:11:53.420 --> 01:11:58.420
He authored or coauthored
a number of successful bills.
01:11:58.480 --> 01:12:00.040
For example, 'the ban and the use
01:12:00.040 --> 01:12:03.470
of for-profit private prisons'
01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:06.390
and 'expunge old marijuana convictions
01:12:06.390 --> 01:12:08.750
from Californians records'.
01:12:08.750 --> 01:12:10.330
And like former Attorney General
01:12:10.330 --> 01:12:13.343
and now National Secretary
of Health and Human services,
01:12:14.230 --> 01:12:16.843
Xavier Becerra, he hails from Sacramento.
01:12:18.730 --> 01:12:21.070
and Assemblymember Bonta's case
01:12:21.070 --> 01:12:23.470
he arrived here through LaPaz
01:12:23.470 --> 01:12:25.340
where his parents were organizers
01:12:25.340 --> 01:12:27.740
for the United Farm Workers.
01:12:27.740 --> 01:12:30.930
He credits his parents who
taught him to fight injustice
01:12:30.930 --> 01:12:33.520
to right wrongs and help people.
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:37.210
I had the privilege of
knowing his mother, Cynthia
01:12:37.210 --> 01:12:40.280
as a civil rights activist
and staunch supporter
01:12:40.280 --> 01:12:44.400
of Filipino and Asian cultural
preservation heritage here
01:12:44.400 --> 01:12:46.010
in the Sacramento region.
01:12:46.010 --> 01:12:48.680
It is a proud moment and an important moment
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:52.190
not only for the Asian and
Pacific Islander community,
01:12:52.190 --> 01:12:56.070
but for all Californians who
aspire to the American dream
01:12:56.070 --> 01:12:57.970
and believe in California.
01:12:57.970 --> 01:13:01.993
And I say mabohay, thank you.
01:13:03.290 --> 01:13:05.460
Thank you, Commissioner .
01:13:05.460 --> 01:13:09.160
And I want to welcome
Brianna that's terrific news
01:13:09.160 --> 01:13:10.810
that she'll be joining our staff.
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.100
Is there anybody else that would like to
01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:15.723
make a report this morning?
01:13:17.180 --> 01:13:19.650
Yes Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:13:19.650 --> 01:13:22.530
Well, just wanted to say in real time here
01:13:22.530 --> 01:13:26.190
we are in our COVID Arrears Workshop,
01:13:26.190 --> 01:13:28.020
that is a two day workshop.
01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:30.260
And as I'm looking at my other screen,
01:13:30.260 --> 01:13:32.700
I see that one of our sister agencies
01:13:32.700 --> 01:13:36.670
is currently presenting
on what they are doing
01:13:36.670 --> 01:13:40.880
and how we can collaborate
and it will continue to tomorrow.
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:43.430
So I encourage you if
you have some time to join
01:13:43.430 --> 01:13:46.470
to do so and hear from all of the parties
01:13:46.470 --> 01:13:51.470
in the public on remaining
ideas of what can still be done
01:13:51.830 --> 01:13:55.430
and how we can collaborate
with our sister agencies.
01:13:55.430 --> 01:13:58.820
In addition, next week,
we also, as a reminder,
01:13:58.820 --> 01:14:01.500
have a couple of other workshops
01:14:01.500 --> 01:14:04.683
and hopefully I know
some of you will be joining.
01:14:05.630 --> 01:14:09.920
We have the California
Advanced Service Fund Workshop.
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:10.790
I will...
01:14:10.790 --> 01:14:14.840
I know that Commissioner
Houck has mentioned already ,
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:17.400
mentioned again that is on Tuesday.
01:14:17.400 --> 01:14:19.650
And also on Tuesday in the afternoon
01:14:19.650 --> 01:14:21.890
we will be having a workshop
01:14:21.890 --> 01:14:24.970
on the phase three of the Aliso Canyon study
01:14:27.740 --> 01:14:32.130
and looking at the pathways
that we need to examine
01:14:32.130 --> 01:14:35.700
for our alleviation or
getting off of Aliso Canyon.
01:14:35.700 --> 01:14:38.280
So that's a very exciting kickoff
01:14:38.280 --> 01:14:40.120
and hearing again from the public
01:14:40.120 --> 01:14:45.010
on all of the strategies for
dealing with Aliso Canyon.
01:14:45.010 --> 01:14:48.320
So hopefully if you have
some times you can join both
01:14:48.320 --> 01:14:50.400
or any of those workshops
01:14:50.400 --> 01:14:53.950
and an invitation to the public as well.
01:14:53.950 --> 01:14:54.783
Thank you.
01:14:56.708 --> 01:14:59.070
Thank you Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:14:59.070 --> 01:15:01.483
Are there any other
Commissioner Reports for today?
01:15:02.460 --> 01:15:07.460
Okay, seeing none that concludes
our Commissioner Reports
01:15:10.670 --> 01:15:14.880
and it also concludes
our public meetings today.
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:18.170
This public meeting of the
CPUC is now adjourned.
01:15:18.170 --> 01:15:20.970
Thank you all, everyone have a very nice day.
01:15:20.970 --> 01:15:21.803
Thank you.