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In monitor.com
will begin momentarily.
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Thank you for your patience.
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Members, I'll ask
you to take your seat
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so we can get started.
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We are gonna begin on item number one,
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which is our swearing in ceremony.
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So, I do for sure, wanna make sure
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that we welcome our
four new members here.
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Which is what we're
all gathered here today
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for our new swearing in
with the additional members.
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So, I'm gonna begin this
process by heading to the podium
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for the invocation and the pledges.
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So, members we'll
begin with an invocation.
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So, please join me as we pray.
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Lord, we come to you
asking for your wisdom
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and your guidance, and your patience.
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Our country has been through
a tumultuous political time,
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but I would pray that as people look
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to their elected leaders,
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especially as we are here today
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at the Texas State Board of Education,
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that they say a group of leaders seeking
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to follow the example of
Christ and serving others.
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And knowing that for
Christ to increase in our lives,
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we must decrease.
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We thank you for being
the God that you are.
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The source of our source of our truth
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and the source of our
salvation in Jesus name,
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we pray, amen.
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Amen.
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I ask you to stand and
joining me with the pledges.
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The American flag.
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I pledge
allegiance to the flag
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of the United States of America
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and to the Republic for which it stands.
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One nation under God
indivisible with Liberty
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and justice for all.
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And the Texas flag.
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I pledge allegiance
to thee, Texas,
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one state under God,
one and indivisible.
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All right, you may be seated.
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Thank you.
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And next, I'm going to ask
Ms. Martinez to call the roll.
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Mr. Allen?
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Present.
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Dr. Bell Metro.
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Present.
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Mr. Cortez?
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Here.
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Ms. Davis?
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Present.
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Dr. Ellis?
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Here.
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Ms. Hardy?
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Here.,
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Mr. Hickman?
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Here.
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Dr. Johnson?
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Here.
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Mrs. Little?
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Here.
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Mr. Maynard?
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Here.
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Mrs. Melton Malone?
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Here.
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Ms. Perez.
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Present.
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Ms. Perez Diaz?
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Here.
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Present via zoom.
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Dr. Robinson?
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Here.
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Dr. Young?
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Here.
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All present.
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Thank you, Ms. Martinez.
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So, before we introduce
our guest here today
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to help us with the
swearing in ceremony,
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I do wanna recognize that we
have Commissioner Moran here
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with us also.
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So, we thank him for being here.
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So, I do wanna next introduce,
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representative Dan. Huberty.
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A man who in most settings
needs no introduction,
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but without a doubt
needs no introduction
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to those involved in Texas Education,
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such as those who are
gathered here with us today
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and also online.
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I got to know representative Huberty
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in the Texas School
Finance Commission process,
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which he worked tirelessly
to develop the report
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that led to the groundwork
for HB three in the 86 session.
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We all hear in the business world,
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how no one individual is irreplaceable,
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but in the process of
HB3, he was irreplaceable.
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He saw the need for
school finance reform.
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He had the passion, he had the knowledge
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and the understanding of not
just what the problems were,
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but also more
importantly, their solutions.
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He then had the political mastery
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to get HB3 across the finish line
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and a truly monumentous
school finance bill.
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There were detractors who said
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that something like
HB3 would never be done
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in a single session.
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It would never be anything more
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than just pieces of the desired goal.
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But in 2019, HB3 was passed
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and it was not just the largest infusion
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of new money into public
school, finance and history,
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but also made sure that
those funds were directed
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to students who needed it the most.
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He will tell you it was
a great team effort,
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but I can tell you without Dan Huberty
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there would have been no HB3.
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(indistinct)
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Chairman, I remember when
you were appointed to the...
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To be chair of public
education back in 2015,
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I remember you have big shoes to fill
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and you fill those shoes well.
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So, I thank you for
joining us here today.
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And it's with a debt of gratitude,
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I turned this over to
representative Dan Hebrews.
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(applauding)
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Well, thank you
all for the opportunity
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to be here with you today.
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And, do you want me
to do the swearing in first,
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you want me to talk
first, which- (indistinct)
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Yeah, so I'll do that first
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and then swear you all
in, but thank you, chairman.
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I appreciate the kind
words and I will tell you
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that it really was a
team effort. (chuckles)
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Certainly with Larry
Taylor in the Senate,
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working hand in hand.
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Larry is one of the finest men
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that I've ever met and he
has done amazing work.
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And certainly with the help
of speaker Bownin and...
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Which then again
Governor Patrick convinced.
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Certainly the Governor
pushing and pulling
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in every direction.
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But, the work that, people
like Leo Lopez and Vaughn,
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and certainly the Commissioner did,
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and the hours that were late at night
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pulling it together to create something
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that is pretty amazing,
when you think about that.
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Unfortunately, obviously with COVID,
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we didn't get to implement many
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of the really cool ideas
that we put in just yet.
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Like the teacher incentive,
allotment it's going
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and some of the merit programs
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and a lot of the other things,
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because teachers are so
busy right now working so hard,
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just to educate kids.
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And that's the important thing.
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And I know that you're
here for four days
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of meetings over the next several days
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to focus on that.
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And I hope you really do.
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I view the State Board of Education,
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truly as our partner in education,
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as we proceed through
these very difficult times.
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And I know that
parents are looking to us,
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certainly in the
legislature to make sure
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that we take care of our kids.
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We take care of our teachers,
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make sure that they're safe.
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And all you see every
morning is on the news,
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whether you're...
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Whatever show is your preference,
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whether it's today's
show or something else.
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And we talk about the struggles
parents are having at home,
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educating their kids.
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The struggle that teachers are having
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and in a variety of different things.
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The great news is that we live in Texas
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and our teachers are
putting our kids first,
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they're not putting themselves first.
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And I truly appreciate about...
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I really appreciate it about Texas.
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If you go around the country
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and you watch some of the
things that are happening,
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it's, to some degree,
a little embarrassing,
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but our teachers are
wanting to get into the schools.
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But we've gotta do our jobs.
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And that's why we're gonna be here,
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making sure that we get
them, the resources they need.
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And I know that you've probably seen
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the State Budget that was put out
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and certainly from speaker...
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Our new speaker Dande
Philian, talking about,
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again, number one.
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The number one most
important thing is preserve,
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protect and defend the
funding that we put in HB3.
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And we mean it.
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And we're serious about that.
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And that's very important to us
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to be able to do that,
because our future is education.
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We certainly have fallen
behind this last year.
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We didn't know how to educate
kids at the end of last year
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and we're doing better.
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We're not where we need to be.
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And so, my hope is that as
you guys go through this session
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with us and come up with ideas,
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and concepts that maybe
we haven't thought of,
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that we need to put those together
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and work together collaboratively.
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And so I'm looking forward to that.
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So, I wish you well
during your new terms
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and hope that you
guys have a great week.
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And certainly our door's always open,
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my door is always open,
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if you guys have ideas or concepts.
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Pat's never shy about
coming over to see us,
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and either as Kevin.
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(laughing)
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So, I know that surprises
all of you about that.
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So, let's get to it.
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And those who are being sworn in,
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where are you going to go?
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In the middle of the-
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So we can have, Ms.
Perez, Dr. Bell Metro.
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Mr. Hickman, Dr. Yang, Dr. Ellis,
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Mr. Maynard, Mrs.
Melton-Malone and Dr. Johnson,
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come to the center of the circle,
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appropriately distance
from one another, please.
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And face the podium.
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If you would face...
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Dr. Bellmen, if you'll face...
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There, go.
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That's a good picture.
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There you go. - There you go.
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Okay. You all ready?
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(indistinct)
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All right.
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Please raise your right
hand and repeat after me.
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I, state your name.
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(cross talk)
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Do solemnly swear.
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Do solemnly swear.
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Or affirm that I will
faithfully execute.
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Or affirm that I
will faithfully execute.
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The duties of the office,
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of State Board of Education,
of the State of Texas.
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The duties of the office,
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of State Board of Education,
of the State of Texas.
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And will to the
best of my ability.
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And will to the
best of my ability.
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Preserve, protect and defend.
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Preserve, protect and defend.
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The constitutional
laws of the United States.
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The constitutional
laws of the United States.
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And of this state.
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So, help me God.
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And of this state,
so help me God.
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Congratulations.
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(applauding)
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All right.
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Now go to work and
don't screw it up, okay?
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(laughing)
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The members will stand at
ease for just a few minutes,
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as we get ready for the next section.
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Back to business.
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(indistinct)
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All right, members
again, congratulations
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to those newly sworn in members.
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Especially our four brand new members
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and welcome to the Texas
State Board of Education.
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We will move to agenda item number two,
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which is review and adoption
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of State Board Education
Operating Rules.
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This is in your...
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It is agenda, exhibit on SBOE page two
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and I'm gonna call Monica Martinez.
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Thank you, Chairman.
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So we did distribute a hard
copy of the operating rules
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that are currently in effect.
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Staff has gone through and
made a few tracked edits.
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They are most of
them technical in nature.
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And so as we go through the document,
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I will explain anything that you see
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that is currently tracked.
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We did work with chairman
Ellis on a few of these,
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but I thought that the
easiest thing to do,
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might be to go section by section.
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I am aware that we received
some proposed amendments
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from Mr. Hickman and Kay, (indistinct).
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She'll be able to project
the operating rules,
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as well as proposed amendments.
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I think if anyone else has amendments
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that were not submitted to our office,
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if you could get those to us ASAP,
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so that Kay has access to them, as well.
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That would be really helpful.
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Okay.
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So, do you want to start
with... Yeah.
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So, we can take section by section,
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we'll start with section one.
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Okay.
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Mr. Chairman.
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Yes, sir.
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I have an amendment, 1.1, A.
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Let me have the staff go
through their recommendations-
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Okay.
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For their technical edits
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and then I'll call on members.
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Okay.
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I don't think we
have anything on 1.1.
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Okay.
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So are there any members
that have 1.1, Mr. Hickman?
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Yep.
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I don't know if we have that.
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What I sent in.
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It's dividing one and
two into three sections.
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The first one would be to clarify
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the vice chair and secretary
elected by a majority vote.
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The second section would
be removal by a two thirds vote
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and the third would be death
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or resignation by a majority vote.
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(indistinct)
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Okay.
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So, Mr. Hickman, I'm gonna...
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The way we're gonna
process this most easily
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is to do each one of those individually.
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Okay.
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So I'll let you go ahead
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and make the motion for your first one.
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Can we put the language
up or do you guys have that?
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I'm sharing.
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So I sent his language
to you in an email.
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I got it, I'm screen sharing,
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but my screen is not
appearing in the room.
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Okay.
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Staff is gonna work on getting that-
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Okay.
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(indistinct)
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Okay, I'll find out.
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Okay.
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Then the first
amendment would be after...
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In one after shall be elected,
insert by a majority vote.
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Alright.
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And then I'm gonna,
kind of stall a little bit here,
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staff is working to get that resolved,
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but in the meantime,
do we have a second?
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(indistinct)
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We have a motion and a second
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and I'll let you speak to
your motion Mr. Hickman.
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Just clarifying here,
there's some changes
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in officer's by a majority,
summered by a two thirds,
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just specifying each of
the three circumstances
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and how the voting would occur.
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Okay.
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Is everyone clear of the...
What the amendment is?
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Is there any further discussion Mr...
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Dr. Robinson?
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No, I'm not...
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I guess I'm not clear on
what the amendment is.
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In one, A...
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1.1A, 1, the vise...
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Oh, you don't have the
paper or you have the rule.
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(indistinct)
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Is it on your...
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I think there's a hard
copy on your desk.
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It'll be up on the
screen in just a moment.
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Does everyone have
the hard copy at their desk?
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It would not...
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Dr. Robinson, did you
find where we're at?
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Yeah. So what...
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Okay, I have one copy now.
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Yeah, 1.1 A1.
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All right.
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What we're about to do,
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just clarifying the vice
chair and secretary,
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shall be elected insert
by a majority vote.
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So, it's
kinda like clarification.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Is there any further questions
on this first amendment?
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Is there any objection, hearing none.
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The motion carries.
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Your next one. Mr. Hickman.
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Number two,
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delete the first
sentence of section two.
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And that will...
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The next amendment we'll
add that back in number three.
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So I don't...
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Madam Parliamentarian is
that best to do as one thing
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or do it as two?
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It would not heart,
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because you're spreading
out language in one place
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and inserting it in another,
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that can be done as a single amendment.
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Okay.
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Was the
majority vote thing
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was a separate question, entirely.
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Okay.
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So I'll do that as a single motion.
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Delete the first sentence
of paragraph two
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and insert it as a new paragraph three.
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Okay.
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Do we have a second?
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We have a motion and a second.
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Mr. Hickman, you'd like
to speak to your motion?
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Again,
just trying to clarify
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these different circumstances.
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Any further discussion.
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Is there any objection?
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All, right, the amendment carries.
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And then the last is
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to insert by a majority
vote in paragraph three,
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where it's shown.
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(indistinct)
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Okay.
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So I think-
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(indistinct) would
you enlarge your screen,
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please.
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I will do my best.
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Thank you.
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So we have
the motion to increase,
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to add the words by majority vote.
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Do we have a second?
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We have motion a second.
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Is there any further discussion?
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Yeah.
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This is for removal of somebody-
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This is
death or resignation.
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Removal is in two and
that's a two, thirds vote
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and then death or
resignation is back to majority.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Any further discussion?
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Is there any objection?
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Right, the amendment carries.
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That's
all, thank you, Mr-
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Any other one...
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Okay.
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Any other proposed
amendments in section 1.1?
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All right.
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(gravel bangs) Ms. Martinez 1.2.
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Yes, sir.
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So, in section 1.2, in part of
what Mr. Hickman had sent in,
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was a request for staff to confirm
00:17:40.590 --> 00:17:43.263
that all of the duties
and responsibilities
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that are outlined in Texas
Education code 7.102
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are included under areas of oversight
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for your existing committees.
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So, we went through and did confirm
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where each of those is located.
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We are suggesting based on that review,
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a couple of clarifications,
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the first clarification
is actually unrelated.
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You had the instructional
materials proclamation,
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listed under the
committee on instruction,
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but for as long as I can remember
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that is something that has been taken up
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by the Committee of the Full Board.
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And so, legal advise that,
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since that has been
your ongoing practice,
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it would be appropriate
to make that move
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from COI to COFB.
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The next item is also based
on more recent practice.
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And I think the chairman
may- Yeah.
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I may jump in on this one here.
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And this is what we did last year
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was that we moved to the consideration
00:18:44.984 --> 00:18:47.004
of the opener room with charter schools
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from the committee
of school initiatives,
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the Committee of the Full Board,
00:18:50.019 --> 00:18:51.473
because of the importance of that item.
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I think that was...
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That falls as one of our more
important duties that we do,
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it garners a lot of attention.
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We had pretty much, if you remember,
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a full day that was focused on that.
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Otherwise, what happens
is you have five members,
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who have all that discussion in CSI
00:19:05.877 --> 00:19:08.999
and then it comes to
the Full Board on Friday,
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and we always have to
start over from scratch.
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So I'm just telegraphing,
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it's gonna be my
intention to keep that item
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in the Committee of the Full Board.
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Thank you.
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For committee on instruction.
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Curriculum implementation
typically covers everything
00:19:24.912 --> 00:19:27.692
that is in Chapter 74 Subchapter C.
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So, those are all of your
other curriculum requirements.
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However, in 7.102, there are three items
00:19:36.345 --> 00:19:40.113
that are in 74 Subchapter
C, explicitly mentioned.
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One is dyslexia and related disorders
00:19:42.491 --> 00:19:44.599
which is already under the committee.
00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:46.668
So, our suggestion here is to go ahead
00:19:46.668 --> 00:19:48.263
and add the other two.
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One is credit by
examination and the other
00:19:50.364 --> 00:19:53.114
is the Texas advanced
placement incentive program.
00:19:53.114 --> 00:19:55.218
You currently have
rules adopted for both
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and those do always go to
the committee on instruction.
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This would just make
that a little bit more explicit.
00:20:03.930 --> 00:20:08.106
The other change for
committee on instruction is that,
00:20:08.106 --> 00:20:10.105
and I don't know how
we didn't catch the sooner.
00:20:10.105 --> 00:20:12.105
We did not have the correct name
00:20:12.105 --> 00:20:15.367
for the Texas school, for the
blind and visually impaired.
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It is TxBVI.
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So, we've made that correction.
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Under committee on School
Finance Permanent School Fund,
00:20:24.115 --> 00:20:25.631
item five is the review
00:20:25.631 --> 00:20:28.549
of the Commissioner's annual FSP budget.
00:20:28.549 --> 00:20:32.782
That is authority that once
existed, that no longer exists.
00:20:32.782 --> 00:20:35.464
That's a change that took
place in House Bill Three.
00:20:35.464 --> 00:20:39.204
So, we're striking that
given the change in statute.
00:20:39.204 --> 00:20:43.052
And then the last
adjustment is just to clarify
00:20:43.052 --> 00:20:46.862
that under item seven on
Committee on School Initiatives,
00:20:46.862 --> 00:20:49.503
it's special purpose school districts.
00:20:49.503 --> 00:20:54.275
And so, we're suggesting
that you add that word.
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Go through
in F and G also.
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(paper rattles)
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Oh, sorry about that.
00:21:00.936 --> 00:21:03.920
Yes, so, item F had a
tagline of ad hoc committees.
00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.827
You don't have taglines in
any other place in this section.
00:21:06.827 --> 00:21:10.769
And so, it seemed extraneous
language that was inconsistent.
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So, that's really a technical edit.
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And then the last thing
00:21:14.287 --> 00:21:16.028
and you'll see this a couple of times
00:21:16.028 --> 00:21:18.185
is rather than,
referring to the division
00:21:18.185 --> 00:21:20.328
of State Board of Education.
00:21:20.328 --> 00:21:23.037
We'd like to suggest
that you change that
00:21:23.037 --> 00:21:27.287
to say the State Board of
Education Supports Staff.
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All right.
00:21:30.844 --> 00:21:32.441
So, I think I would
need to look for a motion
00:21:32.441 --> 00:21:37.441
to adopt the proposed
changes in section 1.2 from staff.
00:21:37.557 --> 00:21:41.655
I have the motion made
by Mrs. Little and by...
00:21:41.655 --> 00:21:43.312
Sorry, motion made by Mrs. Little
00:21:43.312 --> 00:21:46.023
and seconded by Ms. Melton-Malone.
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Is there any further discussion
on these, Mr. Maynard?
00:21:49.738 --> 00:21:52.085
Mr. chairman
also came to my attention,
00:21:52.085 --> 00:21:55.343
under the committee of school
finance permanent school fund.
00:21:55.343 --> 00:21:58.513
And I may have legal
counsel kind of speak to this.
00:21:58.513 --> 00:22:01.354
And one of those items is
community education funding.
00:22:01.354 --> 00:22:03.887
It's my understanding that this is a...
00:22:03.887 --> 00:22:07.804
This may be sort of a
vestigial provision there
00:22:10.444 --> 00:22:12.960
on a program that
actually still exists in statute.
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.903
But it's my understanding
has not actually been funded
00:22:16.903 --> 00:22:18.570
in many, many years.
00:22:19.748 --> 00:22:23.223
And so, the Board and the committee,
00:22:23.223 --> 00:22:25.140
really has no function.
00:22:26.411 --> 00:22:28.770
I don't know if I
can get... (indistinct)
00:22:28.770 --> 00:22:31.460
To ask our legal counsel
had an investigation on that
00:22:31.460 --> 00:22:32.293
if it's okay...
00:22:32.293 --> 00:22:36.030
Is it okay to (indistinct)
speak to that?
00:22:36.030 --> 00:22:36.863
Yeah.
00:22:36.863 --> 00:22:38.893
Mr. Maynard is correct that...
00:22:38.893 --> 00:22:40.375
Well, it is in statute.
00:22:40.375 --> 00:22:43.292
You can find it at Chapter 29, 257,
00:22:44.189 --> 00:22:47.688
subsections H and I, for many years,
00:22:47.688 --> 00:22:49.972
we have not had funding for it.
00:22:49.972 --> 00:22:51.640
So, there's nothing for y'all to do,
00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:53.686
until we get some funding.
00:22:53.686 --> 00:22:55.771
So, it'd be your question
to leave it in there.
00:22:55.771 --> 00:22:58.334
I mean, theoretically this
year they could put funding in.
00:22:58.334 --> 00:23:02.538
I have no idea of what
the legislature is gonna do,
00:23:02.538 --> 00:23:05.016
but I could also
see y'all taking it out,
00:23:05.016 --> 00:23:06.266
because it's...
00:23:07.340 --> 00:23:10.484
For some time we just haven't
been having anything to do,
00:23:10.484 --> 00:23:12.046
'cause there was no funding.
00:23:12.046 --> 00:23:14.592
Mr. Chairman,
if I may just add,
00:23:14.592 --> 00:23:15.675
I think the one thing
00:23:15.675 --> 00:23:19.767
that I would suggest
that you think about
00:23:19.767 --> 00:23:22.390
is as we just went
through this exercise,
00:23:22.390 --> 00:23:24.765
based on Mr. Hickman's requests,
00:23:24.765 --> 00:23:27.513
community education is actually one
00:23:27.513 --> 00:23:29.803
of those items in 7102.
00:23:29.803 --> 00:23:33.217
So you remove it now, because
for all intents and purposes
00:23:33.217 --> 00:23:35.244
it's not something
that you're addressing.
00:23:35.244 --> 00:23:36.838
And then somebody comes along and says,
00:23:36.838 --> 00:23:40.880
why don't you have
everything that's in 7102?
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:43.494
Then we will have to rely on somebody
00:23:43.494 --> 00:23:47.280
to remember that this
Board in this set of rules,
00:23:47.280 --> 00:23:49.504
removed it for this purpose.
00:23:49.504 --> 00:23:50.410
And all of that...
00:23:50.410 --> 00:23:52.660
I guess, just for
clarification, I think...
00:23:52.660 --> 00:23:54.245
Let's take the staff amendments,
00:23:54.245 --> 00:23:55.730
we'll hold this amendment here.
00:23:55.730 --> 00:23:56.907
Let's do the staff amendments,
00:23:56.907 --> 00:23:58.447
'cause there may be different ones.
00:23:58.447 --> 00:24:00.649
And then we'll go through
with any other amendments,
00:24:00.649 --> 00:24:02.188
such as this one from members.
00:24:02.188 --> 00:24:06.301
So, looking for any questions
now for the staff amendments.
00:24:06.301 --> 00:24:07.468
Ms. Bell Metro
00:24:08.698 --> 00:24:10.201
In G the...
00:24:10.201 --> 00:24:13.201
From time hyphen to time committees,
00:24:15.946 --> 00:24:20.106
it makes it look like time to
time is modifying committees.
00:24:20.106 --> 00:24:23.393
So I would suggest the
revision, occasionally,
00:24:23.393 --> 00:24:26.726
comma, committees may find it necessary.
00:24:31.186 --> 00:24:34.099
So, your
recommendation is to scratch...
00:24:34.099 --> 00:24:35.372
To delete, time to time,
00:24:35.372 --> 00:24:36.916
and replace it with occasionally?
00:24:36.916 --> 00:24:37.749
Yes.
00:24:37.749 --> 00:24:42.499
Delete from time to time and
make it occasionally, comma.
00:24:44.424 --> 00:24:45.257
All right.
00:24:45.257 --> 00:24:47.388
So, this is an amendment
to the amendment, correct?
00:24:47.388 --> 00:24:48.221
All right.
00:24:48.221 --> 00:24:49.887
Is there... Do we have a second?
00:24:49.887 --> 00:24:50.720
Second.
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:52.162
A motion, a second?
00:24:52.162 --> 00:24:53.450
Is there any objection?
00:24:53.450 --> 00:24:56.408
Hearing none, the amendment passes.
00:24:56.408 --> 00:24:59.506
We're back to the main staff amendment,
00:24:59.506 --> 00:25:01.326
any other discussion
on the staff amendments
00:25:01.326 --> 00:25:02.659
for section 1.2?
00:25:04.321 --> 00:25:08.251
Hearing none, all
those in... Ms. Perez.
00:25:08.251 --> 00:25:09.084
(indistinct)
00:25:09.084 --> 00:25:12.062
Yes Monica...
00:25:15.603 --> 00:25:17.543
My question is about
the instructional materials
00:25:17.543 --> 00:25:18.673
of proclamation.
00:25:18.673 --> 00:25:21.890
Not necessarily that I object moving it,
00:25:21.890 --> 00:25:24.547
but does this decrease the amount
00:25:24.547 --> 00:25:28.467
of time or public
interaction, public input
00:25:28.467 --> 00:25:31.304
or does it change anything
about the public vetting
00:25:31.304 --> 00:25:32.874
of instructional materials?
00:25:32.874 --> 00:25:33.832
No, ma'am,
00:25:33.832 --> 00:25:36.472
we simply moved it from committee on...
00:25:36.472 --> 00:25:38.315
It's listed currently as number three,
00:25:38.315 --> 00:25:41.190
under committee on instruction.
00:25:41.190 --> 00:25:43.019
We always put the proclamations
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:45.080
on the Committee of
the Full Board agenda.
00:25:45.080 --> 00:25:48.395
We've done so for, I
would say at least 15 years.
00:25:48.395 --> 00:25:52.228
And so if you're always gonna have it
00:25:52.228 --> 00:25:53.657
on Committee of the Full Board,
00:25:53.657 --> 00:25:55.873
then your rules should indicate that,
00:25:55.873 --> 00:25:58.238
as opposed to having
it listed under committee
00:25:58.238 --> 00:26:00.721
on instruction when it
never goes to that committee.
00:26:00.721 --> 00:26:04.300
So that's really a matter
of just aligning to practice.
00:26:04.300 --> 00:26:06.286
You have many more rules that,
00:26:06.286 --> 00:26:08.750
specifically talk about
the vetting process
00:26:08.750 --> 00:26:11.106
for instructional materials
and we're not suggesting
00:26:11.106 --> 00:26:12.739
that any of that change.
00:26:12.739 --> 00:26:14.404
Thank you.
00:26:14.404 --> 00:26:15.237
All right.
00:26:15.237 --> 00:26:16.826
Any other questions on
staff's recommendations
00:26:16.826 --> 00:26:18.159
for section 1.2?
00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:20.567
Ms. Perez.
00:26:20.567 --> 00:26:24.519
Under committee
of school initiatives,
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.542
number three, says review and evaluation
00:26:27.542 --> 00:26:29.337
of charter school
applications, revisions
00:26:29.337 --> 00:26:31.716
and amendments the
Commissioner of education,
00:26:31.716 --> 00:26:33.216
proposes to grant.
00:26:39.402 --> 00:26:42.783
Is there a consideration
for moving this to committee
00:26:42.783 --> 00:26:44.283
of the Full Board?
00:26:47.096 --> 00:26:48.616
That historically
has always been
00:26:48.616 --> 00:26:51.361
in committee of school
initiatives, correct?
00:26:51.361 --> 00:26:52.260
Item number three.
00:26:52.260 --> 00:26:53.271
Right.
00:26:53.271 --> 00:26:54.826
So, it has been in school initiatives.
00:26:54.826 --> 00:26:58.437
I think we were taking that to mean
00:26:58.437 --> 00:27:02.262
that the conversation
about the application itself,
00:27:02.262 --> 00:27:03.778
would stay in school initiatives,
00:27:03.778 --> 00:27:06.182
but your vote on the
Commissioner's recommendations
00:27:06.182 --> 00:27:08.160
would be Full Board.
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.398
Certainly if the Board wanted
00:27:10.398 --> 00:27:12.683
to make a different adjustment to that,
00:27:12.683 --> 00:27:14.475
you could make the...
00:27:14.475 --> 00:27:16.760
Someone could make a motion to do that,
00:27:16.760 --> 00:27:19.628
but we just kept those
two pieces separate.
00:27:19.628 --> 00:27:22.537
So like, you'll see
on this current agenda
00:27:22.537 --> 00:27:26.541
the application discussion
is in school initiative still.
00:27:26.541 --> 00:27:28.054
And I
will point out too.
00:27:28.054 --> 00:27:31.500
It is not my intention
to move the review
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:34.647
of the charter school
application from CSI.
00:27:34.647 --> 00:27:37.553
as it's on this current agenda
00:27:37.553 --> 00:27:40.828
and in future agenda that is different,
00:27:40.828 --> 00:27:43.073
than the actual charter school vote
00:27:43.073 --> 00:27:44.836
that I've talked about moving to it.
00:27:44.836 --> 00:27:47.037
So it's not... I just
want to be clear.
00:27:47.037 --> 00:27:48.203
It's not my intention to move that
00:27:48.203 --> 00:27:49.645
to the Committee of the Full Board.
00:27:49.645 --> 00:27:51.243
And chairman,
if we could just,
00:27:51.243 --> 00:27:52.491
especially for our new members
00:27:52.491 --> 00:27:54.058
who are still getting acclimated,
00:27:54.058 --> 00:27:55.429
when you're not speaking, please,
00:27:55.429 --> 00:27:57.071
make sure your microphone is off.
00:27:57.071 --> 00:27:59.753
We do have a limit to how many
00:27:59.753 --> 00:28:01.179
and I think that's why Miss Perez,
00:28:01.179 --> 00:28:02.485
is keeps getting kicked off is,
00:28:02.485 --> 00:28:03.927
'cause we've got a
couple of microphones on.
00:28:03.927 --> 00:28:07.474
So, I may remind you of that
a few times throughout the day.
00:28:07.474 --> 00:28:08.946
I actually
took her batteries out
00:28:08.946 --> 00:28:10.130
of her microphone.
00:28:10.130 --> 00:28:12.351
(laughing)
00:28:12.351 --> 00:28:15.606
And I
appreciate Chair Ellis-
00:28:15.606 --> 00:28:16.439
(chuckles)
00:28:16.439 --> 00:28:18.971
Your initiatives, your
exercise in futility.
00:28:18.971 --> 00:28:22.741
However, I would like
to move that the review
00:28:22.741 --> 00:28:24.558
and evaluation of charter
school applications,
00:28:24.558 --> 00:28:26.354
be moved to the Committee
of the Full Board, please.
00:28:26.354 --> 00:28:27.211
Thank you.
00:28:27.211 --> 00:28:28.420
Okay.
00:28:28.420 --> 00:28:30.347
(indistinct)
00:28:30.347 --> 00:28:31.180
Right.
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:32.649
So we'll go back to...
00:28:32.649 --> 00:28:34.695
We'll go through all the ones for staff
00:28:34.695 --> 00:28:36.811
and then we'll go through
these others individuals.
00:28:36.811 --> 00:28:39.035
So is there any other...
00:28:39.035 --> 00:28:42.952
Any further discussion
on staff changes to 1.2?
00:28:44.770 --> 00:28:45.603
Hearing none.
00:28:45.603 --> 00:28:47.974
Is there any objection?
00:28:47.974 --> 00:28:50.111
Hearing none, those amendments pass.
00:28:50.111 --> 00:28:51.397
I'm gonna go back to Mr. Maynard
00:28:51.397 --> 00:28:52.690
to the one that he brought up.
00:28:52.690 --> 00:28:54.857
Then I'll go to Ms. Perez.
00:28:56.981 --> 00:28:59.034
Mr.
Chairman, I think that,
00:28:59.034 --> 00:29:01.014
even though that there's not any funding
00:29:01.014 --> 00:29:02.686
for that particular program as long
00:29:02.686 --> 00:29:03.879
as it remains the statute,
00:29:03.879 --> 00:29:07.439
I think that we probably
obligated to leave it.
00:29:07.439 --> 00:29:10.606
And if the legislature, at some point,
00:29:11.914 --> 00:29:14.345
repeals that provision,
then we can repeal it.
00:29:14.345 --> 00:29:16.072
But as long as it remains in statute,
00:29:16.072 --> 00:29:19.846
I think we probably
have to keep it in our rule.
00:29:19.846 --> 00:29:20.679
Okay.
00:29:20.679 --> 00:29:22.142
But at
least we've looked at it,
00:29:22.142 --> 00:29:23.315
we understand what the situation is.
00:29:23.315 --> 00:29:24.814
So, there is
no official amendment,
00:29:24.814 --> 00:29:26.480
so that's... <v
Mr. Maynard>Right.
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:27.313
Okay.
00:29:27.313 --> 00:29:30.507
All right, I will call Ms. Perez next.
00:29:30.507 --> 00:29:32.507
Thank you.
00:29:35.125 --> 00:29:38.346
I would like to move
that item number three,
00:29:38.346 --> 00:29:40.119
under committee of school initiatives.
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.380
Review evaluation
of possible application,
00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:43.373
et cetera, et cetera.
00:29:43.373 --> 00:29:45.270
Be moved to Committee of the Full Board.
00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:46.368
And I'll
just, for those...
00:29:46.368 --> 00:29:48.610
I'm not sure how much
her voice is coming across
00:29:48.610 --> 00:29:53.009
on the live stream without
her microphone working.
00:29:53.009 --> 00:29:56.112
But just to clarify what
she was saying, the...
00:29:56.112 --> 00:29:57.537
She's asking for item number three
00:29:57.537 --> 00:29:58.724
on committee of school initiatives,
00:29:58.724 --> 00:30:00.053
which is review and evaluation
00:30:00.053 --> 00:30:01.826
with charter school
applications, revision
00:30:01.826 --> 00:30:04.732
and amendments, the
Commissioner of education,
00:30:04.732 --> 00:30:06.420
and proposes to grant be moved
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:08.180
to the Committee of the Full Board.
00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:09.847
Do we have a second?
00:30:14.879 --> 00:30:16.672
All right, Ms. Little.
00:30:16.672 --> 00:30:19.089
(indistinct)
00:30:20.070 --> 00:30:21.974
Yeah, so, the amendment is for...
00:30:21.974 --> 00:30:24.616
The Ms. Perez is proposing,
is that item number three
00:30:24.616 --> 00:30:26.030
on the committee of school initiatives,
00:30:26.030 --> 00:30:28.394
which is to review and evaluation
00:30:28.394 --> 00:30:30.958
of charter school
applications, revisions
00:30:30.958 --> 00:30:33.008
and amendments to the
Commissioner of education,
00:30:33.008 --> 00:30:35.415
proposes to grant to move that
00:30:35.415 --> 00:30:36.954
from committee of school initiatives
00:30:36.954 --> 00:30:38.330
to the committee of the school...
00:30:38.330 --> 00:30:40.663
Committee of the Full Board.
00:30:41.581 --> 00:30:42.976
Ms. Hardy are you seconding,
00:30:42.976 --> 00:30:43.832
I'm not sure I have a second yet.
00:30:43.832 --> 00:30:45.263
No I have question.
00:30:45.263 --> 00:30:46.096
Okay.
00:30:46.096 --> 00:30:47.601
I think we need a second
before we can discuss.
00:30:47.601 --> 00:30:48.434
Do we have a second?
00:30:48.434 --> 00:30:49.322
Second?
00:30:49.322 --> 00:30:51.268
All right, we have
a motion and a second.
00:30:51.268 --> 00:30:52.101
Ms. Hardy.
00:30:52.101 --> 00:30:53.799
My question is in...
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.875
I know that the last time we did this,
00:30:56.875 --> 00:30:58.520
we moved it to the Full Board,
00:30:58.520 --> 00:31:00.484
but I was under the impression
00:31:00.484 --> 00:31:04.414
that the school
initiatives had already met
00:31:04.414 --> 00:31:08.775
and had their meeting with
the charter school people
00:31:08.775 --> 00:31:10.882
in the sense that they went through,
00:31:10.882 --> 00:31:12.949
piece by piece of application.
00:31:12.949 --> 00:31:15.394
And when we do that on the Full Board,
00:31:15.394 --> 00:31:18.491
we didn't go through piece
by piece of the application.
00:31:18.491 --> 00:31:19.559
So for clarification,
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.257
the actual vote on the
charter school applicants
00:31:23.257 --> 00:31:24.350
is a different item.
00:31:24.350 --> 00:31:26.218
That's the one that's been
moved to item number four
00:31:26.218 --> 00:31:27.932
in the Committee of the Full Board.
00:31:27.932 --> 00:31:30.973
There is an interview
process that takes place
00:31:30.973 --> 00:31:34.154
that is not specific to the
committee of school initiatives.
00:31:34.154 --> 00:31:35.480
It's open to any Board member.
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:37.090
It's not part of our normal meetings,
00:31:37.090 --> 00:31:40.339
but there's not a part...
There's not a section
00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:42.315
that committee of school
initiatives go through
00:31:42.315 --> 00:31:47.065
and review sits down as a
body to review the application,
00:31:48.388 --> 00:31:50.123
such as you're describing there.
00:31:50.123 --> 00:31:54.123
So the application, like
I said, is to be moved.
00:31:55.139 --> 00:31:57.225
What this I think is
specifically talking about
00:31:57.225 --> 00:31:59.462
is the application of
the charter schools itself
00:31:59.462 --> 00:32:01.645
is a function of the Commissioner.
00:32:01.645 --> 00:32:03.337
It's a Commissioner's duty, correct?
00:32:03.337 --> 00:32:05.768
But he has brought that to us
00:32:05.768 --> 00:32:09.385
for any recommendations
of changes or any input.
00:32:09.385 --> 00:32:11.788
And that's been a
typically a discussion item,
00:32:11.788 --> 00:32:12.740
as has been stated.
00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:17.026
It's a discussion item on
the agenda for CSI this week.
00:32:17.026 --> 00:32:21.272
But as I mentioned earlier,
too, it's not my intent...
00:32:21.272 --> 00:32:22.105
It's not my...
00:32:22.105 --> 00:32:24.219
The Board chair's intention to move that
00:32:24.219 --> 00:32:25.938
out of committee of school initiatives.
00:32:25.938 --> 00:32:27.605
I think that, that is a process
00:32:27.605 --> 00:32:29.446
that can be a school initiatives,
00:32:29.446 --> 00:32:31.647
can continue to work through.
00:32:31.647 --> 00:32:34.105
I would like to agree
00:32:34.105 --> 00:32:36.540
with you on that particular thing,
00:32:36.540 --> 00:32:38.217
'cause I think that there is a value
00:32:38.217 --> 00:32:40.126
in the committee of initiatives
00:32:40.126 --> 00:32:41.991
to look at that very closely,
00:32:41.991 --> 00:32:45.130
before we look at it as a Full Board.
00:32:45.130 --> 00:32:47.535
Okay. Dr. Robinson
and Mr. Hickman.
00:32:47.535 --> 00:32:48.696
Yeah,
I would second that.
00:32:48.696 --> 00:32:50.158
I mean, I think that...
00:32:50.158 --> 00:32:52.823
I understand the idea about
when it comes to vote time
00:32:52.823 --> 00:32:54.984
that meeting for it,
to be the Full Board
00:32:54.984 --> 00:32:57.709
so that we don't have
to go through twice,
00:32:57.709 --> 00:32:58.938
through all the discussion.
00:32:58.938 --> 00:33:02.387
But I think that, I just so
second, what member Hardy said,
00:33:02.387 --> 00:33:05.114
that I think that the preliminary stuff
00:33:05.114 --> 00:33:06.722
and when we can all keep track of that,
00:33:06.722 --> 00:33:08.516
even if we're not on that committee,
00:33:08.516 --> 00:33:10.930
that should be in the...
00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:12.289
The preliminary stuff should stay
00:33:12.289 --> 00:33:14.460
in the community school initiatives.
00:33:14.460 --> 00:33:15.885
Mr. Hickman.
00:33:15.885 --> 00:33:17.218
Yeah.
00:33:17.218 --> 00:33:18.895
Rookie question.
00:33:18.895 --> 00:33:23.036
All the committees make
recommendations to the Full Board,
00:33:23.036 --> 00:33:24.537
then the Full Board adopts them.
00:33:24.537 --> 00:33:27.668
The committees don't
take any action per say.
00:33:27.668 --> 00:33:29.283
No, actually, Ms. Kay,
00:33:29.283 --> 00:33:30.116
correct me if I'm wrong,
00:33:30.116 --> 00:33:31.388
the committees take action.
00:33:31.388 --> 00:33:32.221
They take formal action.
00:33:32.221 --> 00:33:33.743
There are items that are discussion only
00:33:33.743 --> 00:33:34.728
and there are actions.
00:33:34.728 --> 00:33:36.423
But the action is to
make a recommendation
00:33:36.423 --> 00:33:39.132
to the State Board of Education.
00:33:39.132 --> 00:33:40.655
Which
the State Board,
00:33:40.655 --> 00:33:41.565
could accept or reject?
00:33:41.565 --> 00:33:42.398
Yes.
00:33:42.398 --> 00:33:43.231
(cross talk)
00:33:43.231 --> 00:33:44.432
Different direction.
00:33:44.432 --> 00:33:45.390
When we will meet
00:33:45.390 --> 00:33:46.546
the rest of today and tomorrow
00:33:46.546 --> 00:33:50.283
is actually a Committee
of the Full Board
00:33:50.283 --> 00:33:51.490
of the State Board of Education
00:33:51.490 --> 00:33:52.935
that still makes recommendations
00:33:52.935 --> 00:33:55.164
to the State Board of
Education on Friday.
00:33:55.164 --> 00:33:58.325
So everything short of Friday
is a committee recommendation
00:33:58.325 --> 00:34:01.351
that the whole Board, it could be voted
00:34:01.351 --> 00:34:03.951
in affirmative manner,
Tuesday and Wednesday
00:34:03.951 --> 00:34:06.463
and rejected on Friday by the state.
00:34:06.463 --> 00:34:07.552
Sorry,
one more question.
00:34:07.552 --> 00:34:09.939
Can the state Board
then have a full discussion
00:34:09.939 --> 00:34:12.716
on Friday on any item
and- Yes.
00:34:12.716 --> 00:34:14.605
Reopened
and amend and change?
00:34:14.605 --> 00:34:15.103
Yes.
00:34:15.115 --> 00:34:15.896
[Mr. Hickman] Okay.
00:34:15.896 --> 00:34:16.729
All right. Thank you.
00:34:16.729 --> 00:34:19.469
Chairman Ms.
Perez Dias, wanted to speak.
00:34:19.469 --> 00:34:21.936
Ms. Perez,
are you there?
00:34:21.936 --> 00:34:23.042
Yes I am.
00:34:23.042 --> 00:34:23.875
Thank you chair.
00:34:23.875 --> 00:34:28.875
I just wanted to speak
against the motion (indistinct).
00:34:31.654 --> 00:34:33.647
Of the actual application
and all the changes
00:34:33.647 --> 00:34:35.429
that can potentially be made.
00:34:35.429 --> 00:34:37.044
For as long as I've been on the Board
00:34:37.044 --> 00:34:40.587
it's been a responsibility of
the committee on initiatives.
00:34:40.587 --> 00:34:44.733
But I will remind members
and then for the newer members
00:34:44.733 --> 00:34:47.208
that are joining us today,
00:34:47.208 --> 00:34:49.645
every member of this
Board has the opportunity
00:34:49.645 --> 00:34:52.562
to share their view, their opinion,
00:34:54.930 --> 00:34:57.854
their thoughts on the conversation.
00:34:57.854 --> 00:35:01.846
And then obviously work with
the members of each committee
00:35:01.846 --> 00:35:03.859
to ensure that your...
00:35:03.859 --> 00:35:07.318
That whatever you're thinking
whatever your thoughts are
00:35:07.318 --> 00:35:09.378
on the particular item are brought up,
00:35:09.378 --> 00:35:10.830
during committee discussion.
00:35:10.830 --> 00:35:13.320
And then we can have
a deeper conversation
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.547
at the full Board if that's necessary.
00:35:16.547 --> 00:35:19.367
But I do think that each committee
00:35:19.367 --> 00:35:21.015
has a different set of responsibilities.
00:35:21.015 --> 00:35:22.913
And for a long time,
00:35:22.913 --> 00:35:24.648
this has been one of
the key responsibilities
00:35:24.648 --> 00:35:26.878
of the committee on instruction...
00:35:26.878 --> 00:35:28.201
Committee on initiatives, excuse me.
00:35:28.201 --> 00:35:32.102
And, feel that as such it should remain,
00:35:32.102 --> 00:35:35.715
just because I think that
every other committee
00:35:35.715 --> 00:35:38.966
has some really impactful decisions
00:35:38.966 --> 00:35:40.611
that they have to be
focusing on as well.
00:35:40.611 --> 00:35:44.132
And so, just as part of the teamwork
00:35:44.132 --> 00:35:46.462
that has gone on across the Board,
00:35:46.462 --> 00:35:48.508
I think this should remain.
00:35:48.508 --> 00:35:49.378
Okay, thank you.
00:35:49.378 --> 00:35:52.437
Any other discussion
on this item Ms. Davis?
00:35:52.437 --> 00:35:53.270
I do.
00:35:53.270 --> 00:35:55.923
So, one of the biggest
concerns was that,
00:35:55.923 --> 00:35:58.824
like we were saying, we had
so many community members,
00:35:58.824 --> 00:36:02.681
who would come to that
committee and testify.
00:36:02.681 --> 00:36:04.306
And if you weren't on that committee,
00:36:04.306 --> 00:36:06.492
you would never know what went on.
00:36:06.492 --> 00:36:08.119
So is there some kind of way
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.475
that we could at least
be present for that,
00:36:11.475 --> 00:36:13.596
'cause it was information shared there
00:36:13.596 --> 00:36:17.414
that we didn't get to hear
when we made the final votes
00:36:17.414 --> 00:36:19.037
that were really, really crucial
00:36:19.037 --> 00:36:21.310
to what was going
on with those charters.
00:36:21.310 --> 00:36:23.648
So, there has to be some kind of way
00:36:23.648 --> 00:36:25.986
that we can hear that public discussion.
00:36:25.986 --> 00:36:28.506
That's the only time
we get that opportunity.
00:36:28.506 --> 00:36:30.059
Well, for
clarification, that's...
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:33.221
We're really speaking
about the application process.
00:36:33.221 --> 00:36:34.738
What will be in the application,
00:36:34.738 --> 00:36:36.366
any changes to the application,
00:36:36.366 --> 00:36:39.522
not about an individual
charters application.
00:36:39.522 --> 00:36:42.363
All of that will still be,
as I proposed earlier,
00:36:42.363 --> 00:36:44.028
stay in the community to the full Board.
00:36:44.028 --> 00:36:45.913
This is actually looking at,
00:36:45.913 --> 00:36:50.334
like the blank act application
for the next charter cycle,
00:36:50.334 --> 00:36:52.893
but it's not about any individual...
00:36:52.893 --> 00:36:54.118
The merits of any individual charter.
00:36:54.118 --> 00:36:56.280
Does that make sense?
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.799
Oh, like I said, I'm
just worried about
00:36:57.799 --> 00:37:01.200
when we get an opportunity
to hear the public's testimony,
00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:03.129
something that would happen, typically,
00:37:03.129 --> 00:37:04.445
in that one committee.
00:37:04.445 --> 00:37:05.778
When do we,
00:37:05.778 --> 00:37:08.462
as a full Board get to hear
those public statements?
00:37:08.462 --> 00:37:09.295
Yeah.
00:37:09.295 --> 00:37:10.451
For example, in that particular item,
00:37:10.451 --> 00:37:11.920
if there was discussion around
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.486
what should be on a
future charter application
00:37:14.486 --> 00:37:16.730
and it's just like any other item
00:37:16.730 --> 00:37:18.445
that's on community school initiatives,
00:37:18.445 --> 00:37:21.588
committee of instruction
and PSF, it's a balancing act,
00:37:21.588 --> 00:37:24.478
that putting everything on
the Committee of the Full Board
00:37:24.478 --> 00:37:26.646
which it would be very
difficult to get all our work done,
00:37:26.646 --> 00:37:29.427
versus, having it in
committees where there is
00:37:29.427 --> 00:37:32.281
a little bit of an onus on a
member to watch the agenda.
00:37:32.281 --> 00:37:35.449
If there's something that
they are curious about
00:37:35.449 --> 00:37:36.953
or wanna be informed about.
00:37:36.953 --> 00:37:39.246
I know all of the chairs in the past,
00:37:39.246 --> 00:37:40.990
I'm sure all the chairs in the future
00:37:40.990 --> 00:37:43.905
are very willing on Thursday afternoons
00:37:43.905 --> 00:37:45.146
to visit with each others.
00:37:45.146 --> 00:37:49.315
Those live-streams are
made available almost,
00:37:49.315 --> 00:37:52.837
very, very soon after
that meeting is completed.
00:37:52.837 --> 00:37:55.194
So you're able to go
back and watch those.
00:37:55.194 --> 00:37:56.027
Ms. Hardy.
00:37:57.450 --> 00:38:01.200
Just a
clarification, whenever,
00:38:02.419 --> 00:38:04.282
in the past and of course with COVID,
00:38:04.282 --> 00:38:05.711
it's been changed a little bit,
00:38:05.711 --> 00:38:09.294
but the meeting where
we had people come in
00:38:10.909 --> 00:38:14.909
and talk, I thought was
set at a different time.
00:38:17.044 --> 00:38:17.877
Yes.
00:38:17.877 --> 00:38:19.543
So, that... What
you're speaking to
00:38:19.543 --> 00:38:22.633
is the actual charter
process we're voting
00:38:22.633 --> 00:38:24.049
in individual charters-
00:38:24.049 --> 00:38:25.318
And all of us can come to that.
00:38:25.318 --> 00:38:26.797
I think the one that
Ms. Perez is bringing up
00:38:26.797 --> 00:38:28.893
is actually not in
any individual charter,
00:38:28.893 --> 00:38:30.303
it's on the application.
00:38:30.303 --> 00:38:31.136
Yeah.
00:38:31.136 --> 00:38:32.144
The general application.
00:38:32.144 --> 00:38:32.977
Yeah.
00:38:32.977 --> 00:38:34.658
Well, I was just talking to what,
00:38:34.658 --> 00:38:35.491
Ms. Davis was talking about.
00:38:35.491 --> 00:38:37.603
That is an opportunity for all of us,
00:38:37.603 --> 00:38:39.745
because it is set at a different time
00:38:39.745 --> 00:38:41.261
than the regular Board meeting.
00:38:41.261 --> 00:38:42.094
Correct.
00:38:42.094 --> 00:38:43.861
Okay, any other discussion on this item?
00:38:43.861 --> 00:38:44.694
All right.
00:38:44.694 --> 00:38:46.460
Are we ready to vote.
00:38:46.460 --> 00:38:50.110
So all those in favor of
Ms. Perez amendment
00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:51.943
to move item number...
00:38:53.708 --> 00:38:54.860
Where we at?
00:38:54.860 --> 00:38:55.693
Item number-
00:38:55.693 --> 00:38:57.180
Item number
three from committee
00:38:57.180 --> 00:38:58.759
to school initiatives
committee to the full Board,
00:38:58.759 --> 00:39:00.926
show by raising your hand.
00:39:07.803 --> 00:39:08.636
Four.
00:39:08.636 --> 00:39:12.553
See four, all those
opposed by the same sign.
00:39:16.049 --> 00:39:16.912
Nine.
00:39:16.912 --> 00:39:19.336
By vote of four to nine,
the amendment is defeated.
00:39:19.336 --> 00:39:22.336
Any other amendments on section 1.2?
00:39:23.703 --> 00:39:25.632
(paper rattles)
00:39:25.632 --> 00:39:27.549
All right, Mr. Hickman.
00:39:29.287 --> 00:39:32.370
I have one, I
think it's in 1.2, E.
00:39:35.181 --> 00:39:38.736
In, vacancies shall be
filled in a similar fashion.
00:39:38.736 --> 00:39:41.903
In addition to preference the officers
00:39:42.927 --> 00:39:45.372
of the Board shall also consider
00:39:45.372 --> 00:39:48.622
and strike seniority, ethnicity, gender
00:39:49.496 --> 00:39:53.579
and have relevant
experience, and qualifications.
00:39:56.454 --> 00:39:57.287
All right.
00:39:57.287 --> 00:40:00.446
We'll give Ms. Kay a second
to get that on the screen,
00:40:00.446 --> 00:40:04.113
while she's doing that,
do we have a second?
00:40:07.295 --> 00:40:08.128
Second.
00:40:10.367 --> 00:40:12.524
Mr. Hickman, you wanna
speak to you (indistinct).
00:40:12.524 --> 00:40:13.357
Sure.
00:40:13.357 --> 00:40:17.878
No, I think the seniority I
would capture with experience
00:40:17.878 --> 00:40:19.935
and that could be
experience on the Board
00:40:19.935 --> 00:40:23.588
or outside of the
Board and qualifications.
00:40:23.588 --> 00:40:26.658
For me, those are the two key factors
00:40:26.658 --> 00:40:29.741
that I would suggest the officers use
00:40:31.192 --> 00:40:32.851
when making selections.
00:40:32.851 --> 00:40:36.310
So, for example, if five
women are most qualified
00:40:36.310 --> 00:40:37.885
and have the best
experience for a committee,
00:40:37.885 --> 00:40:41.135
put them all on, don't add a token man.
00:40:43.384 --> 00:40:44.494
Mr. Maynard.
00:40:44.494 --> 00:40:46.828
Mr. Chairman, I'm going to rise
00:40:46.828 --> 00:40:50.427
in opposition to the amendment, simply,
00:40:50.427 --> 00:40:52.844
due to the fact that the law,
00:40:56.666 --> 00:40:58.092
there's a provision in the law,
00:40:58.092 --> 00:41:02.511
regarding diversity of
appointments in the region,
00:41:02.511 --> 00:41:05.154
each case in which the governing body
00:41:05.154 --> 00:41:07.926
of a state Board Commission
or any other state agency
00:41:07.926 --> 00:41:11.843
that has a statewide
jurisdiction, which is us,
00:41:13.262 --> 00:41:14.579
is appointed by the Governor
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:16.932
or another appointing authority,
00:41:16.932 --> 00:41:19.294
the Governor or other
appointing authority,
00:41:19.294 --> 00:41:21.147
shall ensure that to the extent possible
00:41:21.147 --> 00:41:24.173
that the membership of the
governing body reflects racial,
00:41:24.173 --> 00:41:28.484
ethnic and geographic
diversity of the state.
00:41:28.484 --> 00:41:31.972
The committees themselves
are not a governing Board,
00:41:31.972 --> 00:41:34.780
but they're a subcommittee
of a governing Board.
00:41:34.780 --> 00:41:37.835
And I would suggest
that the current language
00:41:37.835 --> 00:41:41.252
as it relates to
diversity is a provision
00:41:44.527 --> 00:41:47.884
that in essence, that
has some fidelity to that.
00:41:47.884 --> 00:41:52.239
Or at least that idea
that our appointments,
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.057
that our composition should re reflect
00:41:55.057 --> 00:41:58.606
the ethnic and racial
diversity of the state.
00:41:58.606 --> 00:42:02.851
And I think that is
something that in honor
00:42:02.851 --> 00:42:05.948
of the rule of law, not
only just what the law says,
00:42:05.948 --> 00:42:08.179
even though that it is not a directly...
00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:11.538
The committee is not a
directly a governing body,
00:42:11.538 --> 00:42:14.807
but it is a subcommittee
of a governing body
00:42:14.807 --> 00:42:18.890
that we should honor
that in all of our dealings.
00:42:20.290 --> 00:42:23.207
Any other comments
or discussion?
00:42:24.358 --> 00:42:26.159
Ms. Bell Metro.
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:30.409
Two points I wanted to
ask if Commissioner Perez,
00:42:31.754 --> 00:42:35.810
if her vote was counted in the last vote
00:42:35.810 --> 00:42:39.271
and then I wanted to
agree with Mr. Maynard,
00:42:39.271 --> 00:42:40.688
on his statement.
00:42:42.642 --> 00:42:43.475
Okay.
00:42:43.475 --> 00:42:45.978
So, you're asking if miss
Perez's vote was calculated.
00:42:45.978 --> 00:42:47.558
Yeah.
00:42:47.558 --> 00:42:50.353
I believe it was a
vote of nine to four.
00:42:50.353 --> 00:42:51.186
Four.
00:42:51.186 --> 00:42:54.103
Four and nine
against, I believe.
00:42:55.712 --> 00:42:58.129
(indistinct)
00:43:00.011 --> 00:43:01.300
Did you vote for your amendment?
00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:03.377
She's not asking about
me, she's asking about-
00:43:03.377 --> 00:43:04.210
Oh, I'm sorry.
00:43:04.210 --> 00:43:07.059
Ms. Perez Diaz <v
->Perez Dias.
00:43:07.059 --> 00:43:07.892
All right, gotcha.
00:43:07.892 --> 00:43:08.973
(laughing)
00:43:08.973 --> 00:43:13.973
She said she was in
opposition (indistinct).
00:43:14.439 --> 00:43:15.272
Okay.
00:43:15.272 --> 00:43:17.192
So, and then you're rising in support
00:43:17.192 --> 00:43:18.693
of Mr. Maynard's comments.
00:43:18.693 --> 00:43:19.526
Yes.
00:43:19.526 --> 00:43:20.359
Okay.
00:43:20.359 --> 00:43:21.962
Any other comments?
00:43:21.962 --> 00:43:24.389
Questions, discussion.
00:43:24.389 --> 00:43:25.364
All right.
00:43:25.364 --> 00:43:26.317
We'll go ahead and take the vote.
00:43:26.317 --> 00:43:27.486
All in favor,
00:43:27.486 --> 00:43:29.132
can you have it on the screen Ms. Kay-
00:43:29.132 --> 00:43:30.804
I have a question,
Mr. Chair, sorry.
00:43:30.804 --> 00:43:31.637
Mr. Hickman.
00:43:31.637 --> 00:43:34.587
A question for a
general counsel,
00:43:34.587 --> 00:43:37.337
would this Texas government code,
00:43:38.508 --> 00:43:42.478
I think it's 65109A, would
that apply to the officers
00:43:42.478 --> 00:43:43.780
of the State Board of Education,
00:43:43.780 --> 00:43:46.837
making appointments to committee?
00:43:46.837 --> 00:43:47.837
All right.
00:43:48.754 --> 00:43:50.421
Let me pull that up.
00:43:53.026 --> 00:43:55.234
For clarification, is that
the government code,
00:43:55.234 --> 00:43:58.067
Mr. Maynard, you're reading, okay.
00:43:59.118 --> 00:44:00.280
Mr. Chairman.
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:01.113
Yes, sir.
00:44:01.113 --> 00:44:02.196
And as a...
00:44:03.492 --> 00:44:07.353
Just as a clarification, I'm
not suggesting that it applies,
00:44:07.353 --> 00:44:10.828
but I do suggest that
the spirit of the statute,
00:44:10.828 --> 00:44:12.411
we should apply it.
00:44:15.296 --> 00:44:16.129
Okay.
00:44:18.180 --> 00:44:19.013
Yeah.
00:44:19.013 --> 00:44:21.126
And the answer to your
question, Mr. Maynard is correct.
00:44:21.126 --> 00:44:23.293
It doesn't directly apply.
00:44:27.813 --> 00:44:30.756
Any further discussion
on this amendment.
00:44:30.756 --> 00:44:34.765
So, to all those in favor of
Mr. Hickman's amendment
00:44:34.765 --> 00:44:38.053
to the changes that
are noted on the screen,
00:44:38.053 --> 00:44:40.220
show by raising your hand.
00:44:43.341 --> 00:44:44.174
All right.
00:44:44.174 --> 00:44:47.091
All those opposed by the same sign.
00:44:52.339 --> 00:44:53.172
11, 12.
00:44:54.748 --> 00:44:56.950
All right, the
motion is defeated.
00:44:56.950 --> 00:45:01.437
All right, any other motions
on section 1.2, Mr. Hickman.
00:45:01.437 --> 00:45:04.850
To capture the
intent of the spirit
00:45:04.850 --> 00:45:08.316
of 65109, I would suggest adding racial
00:45:08.316 --> 00:45:10.399
and geographic diversity.
00:45:12.241 --> 00:45:15.241
We have currently ethnic and gender.
00:45:16.950 --> 00:45:18.651
Ms. Kay, are we...
00:45:18.651 --> 00:45:19.778
Is that a similar emotion
00:45:19.778 --> 00:45:23.278
to the one that was
defeated or is that...
00:45:28.476 --> 00:45:30.408
It is similar in intent,
00:45:30.408 --> 00:45:32.966
but different enough (indistinct).
00:45:32.966 --> 00:45:33.799
Okay.
00:45:33.799 --> 00:45:35.466
That it is proper.
00:45:36.903 --> 00:45:38.113
So, what I'm checking
there, Mr. Hickman
00:45:38.113 --> 00:45:40.802
is you may know that
if an item is defeated,
00:45:40.802 --> 00:45:43.266
you can't bring up
another similar motion.
00:45:43.266 --> 00:45:44.888
I checked with her and
she said, it's different-
00:45:44.888 --> 00:45:45.721
(indistinct)
00:45:45.721 --> 00:45:46.554
It's different enough.
00:45:46.554 --> 00:45:47.387
Yeah.
00:45:47.387 --> 00:45:48.220
So, check with the
parliamentarian is different enough
00:45:48.220 --> 00:45:50.896
and verbiage that it
would it's- (cross talk)
00:45:50.896 --> 00:45:51.729
Sorry, yeah.
00:45:51.729 --> 00:45:56.110
The motion is to add racial
and geographic diversity.
00:45:56.110 --> 00:45:59.277
It currently has ethnicity and gender.
00:46:01.194 --> 00:46:02.156
Just give me...
00:46:02.156 --> 00:46:05.573
Just a second to- <v
->It's in 65109.
00:46:08.364 --> 00:46:10.076
I guess all the
Houston members,
00:46:10.076 --> 00:46:12.993
would not be on the same committee.
00:46:15.031 --> 00:46:16.360
Just let me know
when you're ready.
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:17.321
Yeah.
00:46:17.321 --> 00:46:18.226
While she's doing that,
00:46:18.226 --> 00:46:20.564
do we have a second of the motion?
00:46:20.564 --> 00:46:21.397
Second for the motion?
00:46:21.397 --> 00:46:22.230
Second.
00:46:23.196 --> 00:46:25.113
The motion is second.
00:46:26.337 --> 00:46:28.118
You wanna speak to it, Mr. Hickman?
00:46:28.118 --> 00:46:28.951
Yeah.
00:46:28.951 --> 00:46:30.804
If we wanna capture the intent of 09,
00:46:30.804 --> 00:46:32.725
it's interesting to me
that ethnicity is here,
00:46:32.725 --> 00:46:36.319
but not racial and also
geographic diversity
00:46:36.319 --> 00:46:38.523
is listed in the statute,
but not in our rules.
00:46:38.523 --> 00:46:39.356
Okay.
00:46:39.356 --> 00:46:43.189
So just aligning our
rules with the statute.
00:46:46.604 --> 00:46:47.535
While she's working on that.
00:46:47.535 --> 00:46:50.090
Is there any discussion on
that item from other members?
00:46:50.090 --> 00:46:51.007
Mr. Cortez?
00:46:53.145 --> 00:46:55.312
Yeah. Mr. Maynard, can...
00:46:55.312 --> 00:46:56.937
Those two words that he's included,
00:46:56.937 --> 00:47:00.143
were included in what you just read?
00:47:00.143 --> 00:47:03.736
So, this would
encapsulate the entire spirit
00:47:03.736 --> 00:47:08.455
of that language, would
that be fair statement?
00:47:08.455 --> 00:47:09.288
Okay.
00:47:09.288 --> 00:47:11.710
Then I would speak
in favor of that motion.
00:47:11.710 --> 00:47:15.326
All right, any further
discussion on this item?
00:47:15.326 --> 00:47:18.152
Is there any objections?
00:47:18.152 --> 00:47:21.152
Hearing none, the amendment carries.
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.159
Any other amendment for section 1.2?
00:47:26.274 --> 00:47:27.940
I see none from staff
on 1.3- (paper rattles)
00:47:27.940 --> 00:47:32.607
Do any members have any
in the rest of section 1 at all?
00:47:34.677 --> 00:47:36.064
Seeing none.
00:47:36.064 --> 00:47:38.493
We will move to section two.
00:47:38.493 --> 00:47:40.986
And staff has none in either.
00:47:40.986 --> 00:47:44.256
Section 2.1 or 2.2, do any members?
00:47:44.256 --> 00:47:48.164
Then I will call on
staff for section 2.3.
00:47:48.164 --> 00:47:49.646
Thank you, chairman.
00:47:49.646 --> 00:47:54.646
So, here in 2.3, and you'll
see this in a couple of places,
00:47:55.118 --> 00:47:57.784
we have tried to capture the situation
00:47:57.784 --> 00:48:00.207
that we find ourselves in now.
00:48:00.207 --> 00:48:03.707
Where we do have,
because of the pandemic,
00:48:05.303 --> 00:48:09.403
some reasons that you
need to limit attendance,
00:48:09.403 --> 00:48:11.807
as you're meeting in person.
00:48:11.807 --> 00:48:13.696
And so this would just indicate
00:48:13.696 --> 00:48:16.401
that the chair would have the ability
00:48:16.401 --> 00:48:18.823
to limit in-person attendance,
00:48:18.823 --> 00:48:22.464
to ensure health and safety
of all members of the Board
00:48:22.464 --> 00:48:24.458
and members of the public.
00:48:24.458 --> 00:48:28.313
We've also made reference
to Governor's orders.
00:48:28.313 --> 00:48:31.452
So that's what we've tried to follow,
00:48:31.452 --> 00:48:35.005
through starting in the
spring of 2020 up to present.
00:48:35.005 --> 00:48:37.648
And so this would just
include some language
00:48:37.648 --> 00:48:42.563
in here to provide notice
of these sorts of instances.
00:48:42.563 --> 00:48:43.872
Okay, is it...
00:48:43.872 --> 00:48:45.769
Do we have a... Can
I look for a motion
00:48:45.769 --> 00:48:49.406
for the staff recommendations in 2.3?
00:48:49.406 --> 00:48:52.560
Ms. Melton Milan, do we have a second?
00:48:52.560 --> 00:48:53.393
Motion a second.
00:48:53.393 --> 00:48:56.255
Is there any further discussion?
00:48:56.255 --> 00:48:57.088
All right.
00:48:57.088 --> 00:49:00.027
Is there any objection
to the changes in 2.3?
00:49:00.027 --> 00:49:03.291
Hearing none, the motion carries.
00:49:03.291 --> 00:49:06.539
None in 2.4 from staff,
any from any members,
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:08.394
if not, we'll go to section 2.5.
00:49:08.394 --> 00:49:09.979
Ms. Martinez.
00:49:09.979 --> 00:49:12.148
(paper rattling)
00:49:12.148 --> 00:49:12.981
Yes, sir.
00:49:12.981 --> 00:49:17.428
So, this is actually an area
that the chairman asked
00:49:17.428 --> 00:49:21.011
that staff and legal
counsel take a look at
00:49:22.470 --> 00:49:26.376
to try to make the
language a little more clear.
00:49:26.376 --> 00:49:29.485
So there has been some confusion around,
00:49:29.485 --> 00:49:32.125
how items end up on an agenda.
00:49:32.125 --> 00:49:32.958
Okay.
00:49:32.958 --> 00:49:35.186
I think if there are
questions Mr. Maska,
00:49:35.186 --> 00:49:37.505
can help us with the
the specific clarification's
00:49:37.505 --> 00:49:38.977
that have been suggested there.
00:49:38.977 --> 00:49:40.014
So, as she mentioned
00:49:40.014 --> 00:49:42.167
this is something I
asked staff to look at
00:49:42.167 --> 00:49:43.236
and just make sure it was clear,
00:49:43.236 --> 00:49:44.838
exactly what the process is.
00:49:44.838 --> 00:49:46.573
That the chair has a
primary responsibility
00:49:46.573 --> 00:49:47.692
for setting the agenda,
00:49:47.692 --> 00:49:51.287
but there is also avenues
for members to request items.
00:49:51.287 --> 00:49:56.140
So, section A just better,
it's a strike of the original A
00:49:56.140 --> 00:49:59.867
in the new section A, I
think just better clarifies that.
00:49:59.867 --> 00:50:04.587
And then there's some other
changes throughout C, D and E,
00:50:04.587 --> 00:50:07.227
which I think are more
technical in nature.
00:50:07.227 --> 00:50:08.060
Is that correct?
00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:08.893
Yeah.
00:50:08.893 --> 00:50:12.871
So, the current section
A was moved to new E,
00:50:12.871 --> 00:50:13.955
so that was a move.
00:50:13.955 --> 00:50:18.788
And then there is a new, A
inserted to attempt to clarify.
00:50:19.692 --> 00:50:21.608
Okay.
00:50:21.608 --> 00:50:26.108
Do we have a motion for
section 2.5 for staff changes?
00:50:28.062 --> 00:50:30.232
Mr. Maynard, do we have a second?
00:50:30.232 --> 00:50:31.065
I'll second.
00:50:31.065 --> 00:50:32.080
A motion and a second.
00:50:32.080 --> 00:50:35.247
Any further discussion on section 2.5?
00:50:37.061 --> 00:50:37.894
All right.
00:50:37.894 --> 00:50:42.894
Is there any objection to the
same changes in section 2.5?
00:50:42.931 --> 00:50:44.677
Hearing none, the amendments carries.
00:50:44.677 --> 00:50:47.406
Do any other members
have any other amendments
00:50:47.406 --> 00:50:48.656
to section 2.5?
00:50:50.589 --> 00:50:55.172
All right, we'll move to staff
recommendations for 2.6.
00:50:58.462 --> 00:51:00.016
I'm sorry, Mr. Chair.
00:51:00.016 --> 00:51:04.604
2.5, is this language we
just struck somewhere else,
00:51:04.604 --> 00:51:09.260
where the draft agenda
schedule listing item titles
00:51:09.260 --> 00:51:11.405
with short summaries provided to us
00:51:11.405 --> 00:51:12.249
is that somewhere else?
00:51:12.249 --> 00:51:13.288
It's the new E.
00:51:13.288 --> 00:51:14.807
So A was moved to E.
00:51:14.807 --> 00:51:15.867
Oh, A was move to E.
00:51:15.867 --> 00:51:16.862
Okay, sorry, I missed that part.
00:51:16.862 --> 00:51:17.695
Thank you.
00:51:17.695 --> 00:51:18.612
Yes, sir.
00:51:19.894 --> 00:51:20.727
All right.
00:51:20.727 --> 00:51:22.279
Ms. Martinez for 2.6.
00:51:22.279 --> 00:51:23.112
Yeah.
00:51:23.112 --> 00:51:25.744
So this is another place
where we've attempted
00:51:25.744 --> 00:51:28.428
to include some
language to capture what...
00:51:28.428 --> 00:51:30.226
The way that your meetings have worked,
00:51:30.226 --> 00:51:31.921
over the last several months.
00:51:31.921 --> 00:51:36.206
So the first is just to
change a reference
00:51:36.206 --> 00:51:38.503
or to add a reference to remote video,
00:51:38.503 --> 00:51:40.442
or web conference, which I believe
00:51:40.442 --> 00:51:43.859
are the more currently
use terms in place
00:51:44.889 --> 00:51:48.354
of video conference or teleconference.
00:51:48.354 --> 00:51:49.831
On page six.
00:51:49.831 --> 00:51:50.664
(paper rattling)
00:51:50.664 --> 00:51:53.247
There's some suggested language
00:51:54.205 --> 00:51:57.690
that talks about procedures
for conducting meetings,
00:51:57.690 --> 00:52:00.722
if emergency emergency
protocols are enacted,
00:52:00.722 --> 00:52:03.973
which was the case with the pandemic.
00:52:03.973 --> 00:52:07.005
And again, reference to
following Governor's orders
00:52:07.005 --> 00:52:09.718
in any emergency rules.
00:52:09.718 --> 00:52:13.135
The new subsection
D is just a suggestion
00:52:16.924 --> 00:52:18.558
for purposes of running the meeting.
00:52:18.558 --> 00:52:20.989
And I think we just
saw an example of this.
00:52:20.989 --> 00:52:24.670
We need to make sure that
we are carefully monitoring.
00:52:24.670 --> 00:52:27.503
If a member needs to meet remotely
00:52:28.674 --> 00:52:30.861
or if all of you meet remotely,
00:52:30.861 --> 00:52:33.341
you may recall that we did request
00:52:33.341 --> 00:52:35.781
that you keep your cameras on,
00:52:35.781 --> 00:52:39.332
so that we could see
when you're taking a vote.
00:52:39.332 --> 00:52:41.421
And if your camera is off,
00:52:41.421 --> 00:52:46.245
what we have been doing is
capturing that as an absence,
00:52:46.245 --> 00:52:48.648
if you're participating
in the meeting remotely,
00:52:48.648 --> 00:52:50.716
but your camera's off, we
don't have any way of knowing
00:52:50.716 --> 00:52:53.114
if you were actually
participating in the meeting or not.
00:52:53.114 --> 00:52:55.776
And so this will just
help us to make sure
00:52:55.776 --> 00:52:59.089
that we can appropriately capture votes,
00:52:59.089 --> 00:53:02.966
whenever someone is
participating remotely.
00:53:02.966 --> 00:53:03.810
Okay.
00:53:03.810 --> 00:53:07.775
I'm looking for emotion
for the changes in 2.6,
00:53:07.775 --> 00:53:09.093
we have a motion for Ms. Little,
00:53:09.093 --> 00:53:10.219
do we have a second?
00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:11.675
Second, Ms. Milton Malone.
00:53:11.675 --> 00:53:14.925
Is there any further discussion on 2.6?
00:53:18.286 --> 00:53:19.119
All right.
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.278
Is there any objection to
the proposed changes in 2.6?
00:53:22.278 --> 00:53:24.136
Hearing none, those amendments carry.
00:53:24.136 --> 00:53:26.343
Is there any other recommendations...
00:53:26.343 --> 00:53:30.503
Are there any other amendments
from other members in 2.6?
00:53:30.503 --> 00:53:31.336
All right.
00:53:31.336 --> 00:53:33.245
There was none from
staff in 2.7 and 2.8.
00:53:33.245 --> 00:53:35.161
Do you remember having
any recommendations
00:53:35.161 --> 00:53:37.845
from either of those two sections?
00:53:37.845 --> 00:53:41.595
If not, we'll call them
Ms. Martinez for 2.9.
00:53:42.854 --> 00:53:45.755
So, in 2.9 A, it's
that same clarification,
00:53:45.755 --> 00:53:49.015
just to say that notice would be given
00:53:49.015 --> 00:53:52.598
to State Board of
Education, support staff.
00:53:53.633 --> 00:53:58.341
And I believe that is
the only minor edit there.
00:53:58.341 --> 00:53:59.841
C, 2.
00:54:02.388 --> 00:54:03.847
Oh, yes, thank you Kay.
00:54:03.847 --> 00:54:08.014
And then in C, 2, the
current rules in Chapter 66,
00:54:10.539 --> 00:54:12.956
reference 66.66, C, you've...
00:54:14.674 --> 00:54:16.749
Since these were rules were adopted,
00:54:16.749 --> 00:54:18.755
you've amended Chapter 66.
00:54:18.755 --> 00:54:22.005
So, the appropriate cross-references B.
00:54:25.594 --> 00:54:27.772
Can I get a
motion on (indistinct).
00:54:27.772 --> 00:54:28.852
I'm sure if I got a motion
00:54:28.852 --> 00:54:29.708
do I have a motion for that?
00:54:29.708 --> 00:54:30.541
Those changes?
00:54:30.541 --> 00:54:31.374
We have a motion.
00:54:31.374 --> 00:54:32.569
Do we have a second?
00:54:32.569 --> 00:54:33.914
We have a motion and a second.
00:54:33.914 --> 00:54:36.556
Is there any further discussion?
00:54:36.556 --> 00:54:38.081
Is there any objection?
00:54:38.081 --> 00:54:39.471
Hearing none, those motions carries.
00:54:39.471 --> 00:54:43.596
Is there any others from
other members on section...
00:54:43.596 --> 00:54:44.763
Was that, 2.9?
00:54:46.376 --> 00:54:47.209
Ms. Davis?
00:54:48.100 --> 00:54:48.976
Yes.
00:54:48.976 --> 00:54:50.393
For 2.9, under C.
00:54:54.345 --> 00:54:56.428
Under section 4, under B,
00:54:58.166 --> 00:55:00.127
instructional materials should promote-
00:55:00.127 --> 00:55:02.638
Hold on just one
second, say that again?
00:55:02.638 --> 00:55:04.594
Under 2.9, resolution.
00:55:04.594 --> 00:55:09.177
Section C and then from
there, section 4, B, as in boy.
00:55:12.171 --> 00:55:13.437
Page seven?
00:55:13.437 --> 00:55:15.937
Yes, page seven.
00:55:17.770 --> 00:55:18.724
Okay, go ahead.
00:55:18.724 --> 00:55:22.136
I would like to
strike the word patriotism
00:55:22.136 --> 00:55:25.303
and instead insert the word democracy.
00:55:27.024 --> 00:55:27.863
All right.
00:55:27.863 --> 00:55:29.397
I'll give Ms. Kay a second to get that,
00:55:29.397 --> 00:55:32.819
in the meantime, do we have a second?
00:55:32.819 --> 00:55:34.771
A motion and a second, Ms. Davis,
00:55:34.771 --> 00:55:37.854
do you wanna speak to your amendment?
00:55:38.842 --> 00:55:40.855
I think that
we should be promoting,
00:55:40.855 --> 00:55:43.453
definitely, democracy over patriotism
00:55:43.453 --> 00:55:45.774
and that's where that comes from.
00:55:45.774 --> 00:55:47.357
Okay.
00:55:50.182 --> 00:55:54.849
Is there any other discussion
on this item, Mr. Hickman?
00:55:55.814 --> 00:55:58.508
I would
like to see both.
00:55:58.508 --> 00:55:59.724
Okay.
00:55:59.724 --> 00:56:02.479
So, in this case, would your option
00:56:02.479 --> 00:56:03.976
is to make an amendment
to the amendment,
00:56:03.976 --> 00:56:05.559
to keep patriotism.
00:56:08.863 --> 00:56:10.439
And add democracy.
00:56:10.439 --> 00:56:11.272
Right.
00:56:11.272 --> 00:56:12.979
No, she's making the
amendment to add democracy.
00:56:12.979 --> 00:56:17.062
You're amending the
amendment to keep patriotism.
00:56:18.558 --> 00:56:21.880
So, are you making
in the form of a motion?
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:22.722
Yes.
00:56:22.722 --> 00:56:23.555
Okay, do
we have a second?
00:56:23.555 --> 00:56:24.388
(indistinct)
00:56:24.388 --> 00:56:26.471
Motion and second.
00:56:26.471 --> 00:56:27.304
Motion and a second.
00:56:27.304 --> 00:56:28.552
Is there any objection to the amendment,
00:56:28.552 --> 00:56:30.366
to the amendment by
Mr. Hickman to add...
00:56:30.366 --> 00:56:31.949
To keep patriotism?
00:56:34.139 --> 00:56:35.316
Ms. Bell Metro?
00:56:35.316 --> 00:56:37.539
I think
those should be separated,
00:56:37.539 --> 00:56:42.047
because patriotism is something
distinct from democracy.
00:56:42.047 --> 00:56:44.298
Democracy is a form of government
00:56:44.298 --> 00:56:48.775
and patriotism is an attitude
toward one's national origin.
00:56:48.775 --> 00:56:50.276
Okay.
00:56:50.276 --> 00:56:54.375
So, with this item, they would
be separated with a comma.
00:56:54.375 --> 00:56:57.056
So, the motion here is just do we...
00:56:57.056 --> 00:56:59.895
Essentially, do we keep patriotism also?
00:56:59.895 --> 00:57:01.594
So, that's what this current amendment-
00:57:01.594 --> 00:57:02.427
Yeah, I think that
00:57:02.427 --> 00:57:03.379
the way the amendment is...
00:57:03.379 --> 00:57:06.129
The way it's worded is confusing,
00:57:07.430 --> 00:57:11.674
because I would say have
democracy, but not patriotism.
00:57:11.674 --> 00:57:13.017
And he's saying have both.
00:57:13.017 --> 00:57:14.541
So, it's- - [Mr. Ellis] Okay.
00:57:14.541 --> 00:57:17.176
So, you were speaking against
(indistinct), the amendment.
00:57:17.176 --> 00:57:18.009
Speaking against
00:57:18.009 --> 00:57:19.288
the amendment to the amendment.
00:57:19.288 --> 00:57:20.121
Okay.
00:57:20.121 --> 00:57:22.256
Any other discussion?
00:57:22.256 --> 00:57:23.089
All right.
00:57:23.089 --> 00:57:24.012
So, I'd say all those...
00:57:24.012 --> 00:57:26.480
Ask all those in favor for the
amendment to the amendment,
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:30.499
which is to keep patriotism, to do so...
00:57:30.499 --> 00:57:32.916
Show so by raising your hand.
00:57:44.704 --> 00:57:45.790
10.
00:57:45.790 --> 00:57:50.373
Okay, all those
opposed by the same sign.
00:57:52.272 --> 00:57:54.697
(indistinct), Ms. Perez Diaz, okay.
00:57:54.697 --> 00:57:57.635
All right, so the motion carries.
00:57:57.635 --> 00:58:01.719
So now we are left to
the primary amendment,
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:03.322
which would now read,
00:58:03.322 --> 00:58:07.719
instructor materials should
promote citizenship, patriotism.
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.321
And we'll add now the...
00:58:09.321 --> 00:58:12.333
The amendment is to add democracy.
00:58:12.333 --> 00:58:13.848
So, we have a motion a second.
00:58:13.848 --> 00:58:16.405
Is there further discussion about,
00:58:16.405 --> 00:58:18.988
specifically, adding democracy?
00:58:19.871 --> 00:58:21.126
Okay.
00:58:21.126 --> 00:58:23.464
I'm gonna ask, is there any objection
00:58:23.464 --> 00:58:27.450
to miss Davis's amendment
to add democracy
00:58:27.450 --> 00:58:28.367
as amended?
00:58:30.356 --> 00:58:32.461
Hearing none, the amendment carries.
00:58:32.461 --> 00:58:33.898
Did we get through that okay?
00:58:33.898 --> 00:58:34.731
Yes sir.
00:58:34.731 --> 00:58:35.564
Okay.
00:58:35.564 --> 00:58:36.884
(indistinct)
00:58:36.884 --> 00:58:38.982
All right, Ms. Davis
00:58:38.982 --> 00:58:39.988
I have one more.
00:58:39.988 --> 00:58:43.738
On the next page, under
section D, as in dog.
00:58:44.685 --> 00:58:46.136
(paper rattling)
00:58:46.136 --> 00:58:48.386
I would like to strike 'i'.
00:58:50.648 --> 00:58:53.276
Instructional materials should
not encourage life-styles,
00:58:53.276 --> 00:58:57.134
deviating from generally
accepted standards of society.
00:58:57.134 --> 00:58:59.559
I would like to strike that entire part.
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.437
All right, do we have a second?
00:59:01.437 --> 00:59:02.612
A motion and a second.
00:59:02.612 --> 00:59:05.299
Would you like to speak to
your amendment, miss Davis?
00:59:05.299 --> 00:59:06.363
Sure, I just don't....
00:59:06.363 --> 00:59:09.248
That leads to exclusiveness
00:59:09.248 --> 00:59:11.443
and excluding particular students.
00:59:11.443 --> 00:59:14.344
I don't understand
the intent of that at all,
00:59:14.344 --> 00:59:16.533
on what lifestyles are accepted
00:59:16.533 --> 00:59:18.677
by general standards of society.
00:59:18.677 --> 00:59:20.328
And so, clarity may help with that,
00:59:20.328 --> 00:59:23.788
but I don't understand why
we're excluding somebody,
00:59:23.788 --> 00:59:26.018
just because they're
not generally accepted.
00:59:26.018 --> 00:59:27.896
I think generally, I
agree with you Ms. Davis.
00:59:27.896 --> 00:59:29.635
I will ask legal staff,
00:59:29.635 --> 00:59:31.369
I know that some of what we have to do
00:59:31.369 --> 00:59:33.163
in these capacities
is directed by statute.
00:59:33.163 --> 00:59:34.992
Do you know of any statute offhand
00:59:34.992 --> 00:59:38.061
that requires us to have
anything such as this?
00:59:38.061 --> 00:59:39.072
I do not.
00:59:39.072 --> 00:59:40.617
Okay.
00:59:40.617 --> 00:59:41.482
(indistinct)
00:59:41.482 --> 00:59:42.315
Okay.
00:59:42.315 --> 00:59:43.952
So, staff is saying, they're not aware
00:59:43.952 --> 00:59:46.640
of any statute to
specifically have that in there.
00:59:46.640 --> 00:59:49.066
All right, is there discussion
00:59:49.066 --> 00:59:52.965
on Ms. Davis's
amendment to scratch D, 'i'?
00:59:52.965 --> 00:59:54.142
Ms. Perez Diaz.
00:59:54.142 --> 00:59:56.386
Ms. Perez Diaz, go ahead.
00:59:56.386 --> 01:00:00.740
I just thought that
(indistinct) was strong...
01:00:00.740 --> 01:00:02.212
Strong support for the (indistinct).
01:00:02.212 --> 01:00:05.212
But I (indistinct).
01:00:12.660 --> 01:00:13.917
Thank you.
01:00:13.917 --> 01:00:16.750
Any other discussion from members?
01:00:17.620 --> 01:00:18.453
All right.
01:00:18.453 --> 01:00:19.920
I'll ask, is there any objection?
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.391
Ms. Hardy.
01:00:21.391 --> 01:00:22.623
Yeah.
01:00:22.623 --> 01:00:23.737
It doesn't say-
01:00:23.737 --> 01:00:25.940
You can get to a
microphone, please.
01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:27.295
(indistinct)
01:00:27.295 --> 01:00:28.971
(laughing)
01:00:28.971 --> 01:00:30.523
Get my binoculars out.
01:00:30.523 --> 01:00:33.103
That's what I
get for talking a lot.
01:00:33.103 --> 01:00:34.936
It doesn't say that...
01:00:36.846 --> 01:00:41.846
It just says does not encourage,
it doesn't say it can't be.
01:00:42.184 --> 01:00:45.713
So, I think that it's, is not as...
01:00:45.713 --> 01:00:48.826
Instructional materials
should not encourage,
01:00:48.826 --> 01:00:51.597
but it doesn't say that they should not.
01:00:51.597 --> 01:00:55.106
I mean, it just says that
it's a little bit of leeway there.
01:00:55.106 --> 01:00:56.278
In other words, you could do it.
01:00:56.278 --> 01:00:58.361
It's just not encouraged.
01:00:59.540 --> 01:01:00.373
Okay.
01:01:02.178 --> 01:01:03.314
(indistinct)
01:01:03.314 --> 01:01:04.306
Yes.
01:01:04.306 --> 01:01:05.573
Miss Bell Metro.
01:01:05.573 --> 01:01:09.159
I have witnessed at
some of the meetings
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:12.879
that some people think that, simply,
01:01:12.879 --> 01:01:17.879
mentioning the existence of
something is encouraging it.
01:01:17.925 --> 01:01:20.340
So, I think that's the issue.
01:01:20.340 --> 01:01:21.633
It makes it so that,
01:01:21.633 --> 01:01:25.383
certain sectors of
society can't be mentioned
01:01:27.390 --> 01:01:32.220
in a curriculum, without
being viewed as encouraging
01:01:32.220 --> 01:01:34.303
that part of the society.
01:01:35.406 --> 01:01:37.009
Okay.
01:01:37.009 --> 01:01:39.956
Any other discussion from members.
01:01:39.956 --> 01:01:43.223
So if not, I would ask all members
01:01:43.223 --> 01:01:47.311
in support of Ms. Davis's
amendment to strike D, 'i,'
01:01:47.311 --> 01:01:49.728
to show by raising your hand.
01:01:56.366 --> 01:01:57.199
Five.
01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:58.070
Do you, Ms. Perez Diaz?
01:01:58.070 --> 01:01:58.903
Yeah.
01:01:58.903 --> 01:01:59.736
Okay.
01:01:59.736 --> 01:02:02.986
And all those opposed by the same sign.
01:02:06.886 --> 01:02:08.117
(indistinct)
01:02:08.117 --> 01:02:09.675
All right, so the motion is defeated.
01:02:09.675 --> 01:02:13.425
Is there any other
amendments on section 2.9?
01:02:15.924 --> 01:02:16.924
Seeing none.
01:02:19.231 --> 01:02:20.731
Ms. Martinez 2.10.
01:02:24.303 --> 01:02:25.300
Yes sir.
01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:29.085
So, in 2.10, A, 1, general provisions.
01:02:29.085 --> 01:02:32.335
We've just added a statutory reference,
01:02:33.231 --> 01:02:37.306
Texas education code
7.110 is the authority
01:02:37.306 --> 01:02:39.723
for the oral public testimony
01:02:41.395 --> 01:02:43.917
that you make available
at every meeting.
01:02:43.917 --> 01:02:45.997
So, we thought it might be helpful
01:02:45.997 --> 01:02:47.864
to have that statutory reference there.
01:02:47.864 --> 01:02:52.106
The next changes is one
of the changes I would say
01:02:52.106 --> 01:02:55.484
is a more substantive suggestion.
01:02:55.484 --> 01:03:00.379
So, given the circumstances
that we've been under,
01:03:00.379 --> 01:03:05.379
your public testimony is
currently being provided remotely
01:03:05.895 --> 01:03:07.842
which means that we've
had to add some steps
01:03:07.842 --> 01:03:09.807
to our process to make sure that members
01:03:09.807 --> 01:03:13.557
of the public know
when it will be their turn
01:03:14.962 --> 01:03:17.903
to log into the zoom, to testify.
01:03:17.903 --> 01:03:21.894
In order to do that, for
the last several meetings,
01:03:21.894 --> 01:03:24.561
we have made a shift from having
01:03:25.696 --> 01:03:27.861
the registration for public testimony,
01:03:27.861 --> 01:03:29.861
open Friday to Monday...
01:03:31.293 --> 01:03:33.987
Friday at 8:00 AM to Monday at 5:00 PM.
01:03:33.987 --> 01:03:36.808
We've switched that
to Thursday at 8:00 AM
01:03:36.808 --> 01:03:38.601
to Friday at 5:00 PM.
01:03:38.601 --> 01:03:41.040
That has given staff the opportunity
01:03:41.040 --> 01:03:42.456
to work over the weekend,
01:03:42.456 --> 01:03:45.602
to build those lists get
them posted on the website,
01:03:45.602 --> 01:03:49.055
so that members of the
public have adequate notice
01:03:49.055 --> 01:03:51.305
in advance of your meeting.
01:03:52.225 --> 01:03:55.627
That process is actually
been tremendously helpful to us
01:03:55.627 --> 01:03:59.786
and so this, I think is more
of a request than a suggestion
01:03:59.786 --> 01:04:03.869
that you permanently
shift from Friday to Monday,
01:04:05.556 --> 01:04:07.473
to Thursday and Friday.
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:10.714
The other thing I would say is that,
01:04:10.714 --> 01:04:14.797
before we had to do
registration by phone or fax,
01:04:15.753 --> 01:04:18.753
now it is almost exclusively online,
01:04:20.905 --> 01:04:25.031
which allows for that
happened much more easily
01:04:25.031 --> 01:04:27.949
for members of the public.
01:04:27.949 --> 01:04:29.137
And then the other thing is,
01:04:29.137 --> 01:04:30.788
and I think you had
conversation about this
01:04:30.788 --> 01:04:33.771
the last time that
these rules were open.
01:04:33.771 --> 01:04:36.478
We thought that we would just bring up,
01:04:36.478 --> 01:04:40.072
again, do you really still feel like
01:04:40.072 --> 01:04:42.091
the fax needs to be an option
01:04:42.091 --> 01:04:46.008
if online and phone,
and in person are options.
01:04:47.611 --> 01:04:51.183
I will note that most of the
fax machines in the building
01:04:51.183 --> 01:04:53.529
are being eliminated.
01:04:53.529 --> 01:04:58.305
And so, we would need
to keep this special for you.
01:04:58.305 --> 01:04:59.912
And then...
01:04:59.912 --> 01:05:01.784
And some of these you
may wanna consider...
01:05:01.784 --> 01:05:03.429
I recognize you may
wanna consider separately,
01:05:03.429 --> 01:05:05.142
because they are more substantive,
01:05:05.142 --> 01:05:08.193
but I'll go ahead and run through them.
01:05:08.193 --> 01:05:11.502
So, on number...
Page 10, there is a...
01:05:14.713 --> 01:05:16.292
We went ahead and
put this in track changes,
01:05:16.292 --> 01:05:19.074
but again, this is in
the form of a question.
01:05:19.074 --> 01:05:23.741
So, given the volumes of
testifiers you've had recently,
01:05:24.613 --> 01:05:27.167
you have been limiting testimony
01:05:27.167 --> 01:05:29.206
to a two minute, time limit,
01:05:29.206 --> 01:05:31.195
instead of a three minute, time limit.
01:05:31.195 --> 01:05:33.448
So, there is a suggestion here
01:05:33.448 --> 01:05:35.875
that you might include
language that says,
01:05:35.875 --> 01:05:38.842
in order to maximize the
total number of testifiers
01:05:38.842 --> 01:05:41.204
who can provide testimony,
01:05:41.204 --> 01:05:46.184
that testimony will be two
minutes instead of three minutes.
01:05:46.184 --> 01:05:48.574
And then the last thing that you'll see,
01:05:48.574 --> 01:05:51.157
I believe in this section is...
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:56.842
In C, 3, it says that
testimony shall be taken up
01:05:56.842 --> 01:05:58.840
at the beginning of the meeting
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:02.256
or at the time the
related item is taken up,
01:06:02.256 --> 01:06:05.699
after staff has presented the item.
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:09.945
And this is really varied,
sometimes we take testimony...
01:06:09.945 --> 01:06:12.978
Especially if we have a
longer presentation to give,
01:06:12.978 --> 01:06:15.252
we take testimony at
the beginning of the item
01:06:15.252 --> 01:06:18.197
and then we do the staff presentation.
01:06:18.197 --> 01:06:19.756
Sometimes we do the staff presentation,
01:06:19.756 --> 01:06:21.583
so that testifiers have the benefit
01:06:21.583 --> 01:06:24.496
of some of that background information
01:06:24.496 --> 01:06:25.993
and then we do testimony.
01:06:25.993 --> 01:06:27.902
And so, we would just
suggest striking that,
01:06:27.902 --> 01:06:29.801
so that then there's the flexibility
01:06:29.801 --> 01:06:33.623
to have staff presentation
when it is most appropriate
01:06:33.623 --> 01:06:35.206
for the given item.
01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:37.453
Is that it?
01:06:37.453 --> 01:06:38.286
I think so.
01:06:38.286 --> 01:06:41.101
Okay, do I have a
motion for staff changes?
01:06:41.101 --> 01:06:42.014
We have a motion.
01:06:42.014 --> 01:06:43.681
Do we have a second?
01:06:44.952 --> 01:06:46.502
Motion and a second.
01:06:46.502 --> 01:06:48.825
Is there any further discussion?
01:06:48.825 --> 01:06:49.658
Ms. Perez.
01:06:50.624 --> 01:06:55.494
I have a question about
registration procedures, B, 1.
01:06:55.494 --> 01:06:57.001
It says, individuals may register,
01:06:57.001 --> 01:07:00.095
between the hours of
8:00 AM on the Friday...
01:07:00.095 --> 01:07:01.703
On the, okay, on the Thursday,
01:07:01.703 --> 01:07:03.323
preceding the Board meeting at 5:00 PM.
01:07:03.323 --> 01:07:05.573
When is the Board briefing?
01:07:07.223 --> 01:07:09.995
The Board briefing
for the associations
01:07:09.995 --> 01:07:13.699
is usually on the Thursday
before the meeting.
01:07:13.699 --> 01:07:15.355
Which would be
the same Thursday.
01:07:15.355 --> 01:07:16.387
Yes, ma'am.
01:07:16.387 --> 01:07:17.337
So how many...
01:07:17.337 --> 01:07:18.897
How much time does that give them
01:07:18.897 --> 01:07:22.188
to attend the briefing
and then register?
01:07:22.188 --> 01:07:24.592
It would give them the...
01:07:24.592 --> 01:07:26.804
Typically, that happens
at about 1:00 PM,
01:07:26.804 --> 01:07:28.555
so it, typically, would give them
01:07:28.555 --> 01:07:33.555
from about 2:00 PM on Thursday
through 5:00 PM on Friday.
01:07:34.009 --> 01:07:38.007
With this change or
without this change?
01:07:38.007 --> 01:07:40.268
With the change,
it would give them
01:07:40.268 --> 01:07:43.048
from 2:00 PM or whenever
we finished the briefing,
01:07:43.048 --> 01:07:44.812
until 5:00 PM on Friday.
01:07:44.812 --> 01:07:47.111
So, it gives them,
at least, 24 hours.
01:07:47.111 --> 01:07:48.535
Yes, ma'am.
01:07:48.535 --> 01:07:49.535
Thank you.
01:07:51.630 --> 01:07:53.084
Mr. Hickman and Ms. Hardy.
01:07:53.084 --> 01:07:55.168
I think a related
question, same section,
01:07:55.168 --> 01:07:59.800
is there a reason individuals
can't register Monday?
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:04.050
Prior to, open up the window
from Monday to Friday?
01:08:06.686 --> 01:08:08.148
So, I mean, I think it's just,
01:08:08.148 --> 01:08:13.017
it will then, it ties staff up
for that much more time.
01:08:13.017 --> 01:08:16.850
So, for example, what's
happening now is we...
01:08:18.761 --> 01:08:22.603
To the extent that we're
doing remote testimony,
01:08:22.603 --> 01:08:26.547
we don't just broadcast
the zoom credentials,
01:08:26.547 --> 01:08:29.211
unless we have all
kinds of folks deciding
01:08:29.211 --> 01:08:30.470
to join your meeting.
01:08:30.470 --> 01:08:32.807
We send those out
after folks have registered
01:08:32.807 --> 01:08:34.237
for the proper committee.
01:08:34.237 --> 01:08:36.380
That is something that
we have to do manually.
01:08:36.380 --> 01:08:39.195
We have not yet figured out
how to automate some of that.
01:08:39.195 --> 01:08:42.554
And we do make a commitment
that we will get that out,
01:08:42.554 --> 01:08:45.887
within 24 hours of somebody registering.
01:08:47.404 --> 01:08:50.980
So, if we have folks registering
from Monday to Friday,
01:08:50.980 --> 01:08:52.833
then that means we've
gotta be monitoring
01:08:52.833 --> 01:08:54.748
and trying to send all of that out
01:08:54.748 --> 01:08:57.304
for those additional days.
01:08:57.304 --> 01:09:02.304
I'm not aware that we've had
any concerns expressed about,
01:09:02.497 --> 01:09:06.247
just making the shift
to the Thursday-Friday.
01:09:08.249 --> 01:09:09.204
I mean, we could...
01:09:09.204 --> 01:09:11.912
If you wanted to extend it longer,
01:09:11.912 --> 01:09:14.291
I might ask that you
not do a full five days,
01:09:14.291 --> 01:09:15.816
but maybe something in between.
01:09:15.816 --> 01:09:18.365
Just so that we're not tying staff up.
01:09:18.365 --> 01:09:19.577
Okay.
01:09:19.577 --> 01:09:21.093
For all that extra time.
01:09:21.093 --> 01:09:22.122
(indistinct)
01:09:22.122 --> 01:09:24.758
Ms. Hardy and Mr. Maynard.
01:09:24.758 --> 01:09:27.421
I suppose this would
be the time to ask this,
01:09:27.421 --> 01:09:32.207
but we've done remote,
the testimonies by remote,
01:09:32.207 --> 01:09:35.953
because of the COVID
situations, the pandemic.
01:09:35.953 --> 01:09:38.953
But I wonder if we ought to consider
01:09:41.200 --> 01:09:43.730
an opportunity, at
least, sometime in there,
01:09:43.730 --> 01:09:46.676
of allowing some remote to continue,
01:09:46.676 --> 01:09:51.203
even after the pandemic
is no longer a problem.
01:09:51.203 --> 01:09:52.036
Yeah.
01:09:52.036 --> 01:09:55.360
Simply because there are
people who would like to testify,
01:09:55.360 --> 01:09:57.277
who live very far away.
01:09:58.871 --> 01:10:02.337
The panhandle comes to
mind, El Paso comes to mind.
01:10:02.337 --> 01:10:03.170
Right.
01:10:03.170 --> 01:10:04.614
It's very expensive
for them to get here.
01:10:04.614 --> 01:10:06.614
And it might be a way...
01:10:07.475 --> 01:10:09.510
I hesitate, because
I realized that means
01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:11.504
that we go on longer
with this. (chuckles)
01:10:11.504 --> 01:10:14.505
But it gives more
people that opportunity
01:10:14.505 --> 01:10:18.910
and if we're looking for
equity, for people who have jobs
01:10:18.910 --> 01:10:22.074
that don't allow them
to get away and so forth,
01:10:22.074 --> 01:10:24.121
if that wouldn't be an opportunity
01:10:24.121 --> 01:10:27.121
to allow more input from the public.
01:10:28.614 --> 01:10:30.098
Thank you.
01:10:30.098 --> 01:10:32.515
(indistinct)
01:10:33.943 --> 01:10:35.549
Chairman, may I-
01:10:35.549 --> 01:10:36.906
(indistinct)
01:10:36.906 --> 01:10:38.087
Thank you.
01:10:38.087 --> 01:10:40.764
So, I think the one
thing that I just want
01:10:40.764 --> 01:10:44.051
to make sure that we clarify is,
01:10:44.051 --> 01:10:46.326
we certainly have
the capability to do that
01:10:46.326 --> 01:10:47.973
for the Committee of the Full Board,
01:10:47.973 --> 01:10:50.548
the State Board of Education.
01:10:50.548 --> 01:10:53.712
This build-in is not currently set up
01:10:53.712 --> 01:10:58.712
to support some of the technical
options that are available.
01:10:59.197 --> 01:11:01.227
So, as we are experiencing today,
01:11:01.227 --> 01:11:04.046
we're having some
issues with the speaker.
01:11:04.046 --> 01:11:05.688
We, in the last meeting,
01:11:05.688 --> 01:11:08.419
we attempted to allow
remote participation
01:11:08.419 --> 01:11:11.885
in the room for committee
on school initiatives.
01:11:11.885 --> 01:11:14.679
We had a number of
glitches that we're not sure
01:11:14.679 --> 01:11:16.305
that we have been able to work through.
01:11:16.305 --> 01:11:18.555
There's really equipment
that needs to be fully replaced.
01:11:18.555 --> 01:11:21.261
And committee on
instruction does not have
01:11:21.261 --> 01:11:23.156
that capability at all, right now.
01:11:23.156 --> 01:11:26.785
So, if you wanted to
consider making some,
01:11:26.785 --> 01:11:28.672
sort of a longer-term adjustment,
01:11:28.672 --> 01:11:30.756
I just wanna make sure that you're aware
01:11:30.756 --> 01:11:33.436
that we would need to, likely,
01:11:33.436 --> 01:11:36.907
request funding to
build out infrastructure
01:11:36.907 --> 01:11:38.939
to be able to provide that
01:11:38.939 --> 01:11:40.909
for all of the small committee meetings,
01:11:40.909 --> 01:11:44.788
that is not something
we can do right now.
01:11:44.788 --> 01:11:46.778
That would be a
process that doesn't...
01:11:46.778 --> 01:11:49.139
Wouldn't... If we
decide to extend that,
01:11:49.139 --> 01:11:52.690
we're currently working
under the Governor's orders,
01:11:52.690 --> 01:11:55.768
if when that expires we
wanted to continue that process,
01:11:55.768 --> 01:11:57.615
it would just be a matter
of us deciding to continue,
01:11:57.615 --> 01:11:58.671
not necessarily, whether,
01:11:58.671 --> 01:12:00.663
it's in our Board operating
procedures or not,
01:12:00.663 --> 01:12:01.531
based on I'm asking if...
01:12:01.531 --> 01:12:03.046
If that's the decision that
needs to be made now
01:12:03.046 --> 01:12:05.493
or it can be made following
the adoption of the...
01:12:05.493 --> 01:12:08.916
Or the expiration of
the Governors orders.
01:12:08.916 --> 01:12:11.333
(indistinct)
01:12:14.980 --> 01:12:16.465
Yeah.
01:12:16.465 --> 01:12:17.736
Could you repeat the question?
01:12:17.736 --> 01:12:22.455
The question is to miss
Hardy's point of extending
01:12:22.455 --> 01:12:24.771
in our Board operating procedures,
01:12:24.771 --> 01:12:27.938
passed the Governor's executive orders
01:12:29.621 --> 01:12:32.433
to allow us to meet virtually.
01:12:32.433 --> 01:12:36.108
Do we want to continue
to do that, past that?
01:12:36.108 --> 01:12:39.223
If that decision needs to be made now,
01:12:39.223 --> 01:12:41.588
based on Ms. Martinez's
concerns of funding
01:12:41.588 --> 01:12:44.934
and logistics, or is that
something that can be made
01:12:44.934 --> 01:12:47.101
at a future point in time?
01:12:48.222 --> 01:12:50.711
It could be made now
or in a future point in time
01:12:50.711 --> 01:12:54.759
and we'd have to make
sure that we comply
01:12:54.759 --> 01:12:57.705
with the open meetings act,
01:12:57.705 --> 01:13:00.306
not modified by the Governor's orders
01:13:00.306 --> 01:13:01.608
when we conduct those meetings.
01:13:01.608 --> 01:13:02.705
Right.
01:13:02.705 --> 01:13:04.713
And I'm not sure, Mr. Dan,
01:13:04.713 --> 01:13:08.652
is there limitations
to virtual participation
01:13:08.652 --> 01:13:12.443
in the absence of the
Governor's executive orders
01:13:12.443 --> 01:13:14.110
we're working under?
01:13:17.812 --> 01:13:19.229
I think there is.
01:13:20.725 --> 01:13:22.725
Need to check on this.
01:13:23.598 --> 01:13:26.028
I'm not sure if, at least, previously,
01:13:26.028 --> 01:13:29.203
it required a quorum
to be at the location.
01:13:29.203 --> 01:13:30.036
Right.
01:13:30.036 --> 01:13:32.619
And now it's just one person.
01:13:34.879 --> 01:13:37.538
But we're talking about
the testifiers not the members.
01:13:37.538 --> 01:13:40.971
Oh, I don't think there's
anything about the testifiers.
01:13:40.971 --> 01:13:42.142
Okay.
01:13:42.142 --> 01:13:43.481
All right, who did I have next?
01:13:43.481 --> 01:13:45.080
Mr. Maynard?
01:13:45.080 --> 01:13:45.913
Yeah.
01:13:45.913 --> 01:13:46.746
And just, Mr. Chairman,
01:13:46.746 --> 01:13:50.011
just a point of clarification is that,
01:13:50.011 --> 01:13:52.935
but we have, generally, allowed,
01:13:52.935 --> 01:13:56.901
at the discretion of the
chair late registration,
01:13:56.901 --> 01:13:58.854
to my knowledge... I
mean, I don't think that...
01:13:58.854 --> 01:14:00.494
I mean, I know that we have had people
01:14:00.494 --> 01:14:02.203
that have registered
late after that deadline
01:14:02.203 --> 01:14:04.846
and we've, generally,
allowed them to testify.
01:14:04.846 --> 01:14:06.179
Is that correct?
01:14:07.953 --> 01:14:08.786
Yes, sir.
01:14:08.786 --> 01:14:11.762
You've actually got
language in the operating rule
01:14:11.762 --> 01:14:12.829
that says, that,
01:14:12.829 --> 01:14:16.662
the Board can allow
late registers to testify.
01:14:17.969 --> 01:14:21.779
And we notify them if
they register outside,
01:14:21.779 --> 01:14:24.444
beyond that window, we notify them
01:14:24.444 --> 01:14:27.944
that decision will be
made at the meeting,
01:14:29.931 --> 01:14:32.193
about whether or not
they'll be permitted to testify.
01:14:32.193 --> 01:14:35.129
And with a few rare
exceptions is that,
01:14:35.129 --> 01:14:38.252
we would, generally,
allow that to happen,
01:14:38.252 --> 01:14:41.419
but I think it's just
kind of human nature,
01:14:41.419 --> 01:14:44.377
is that however much
time that you give people
01:14:44.377 --> 01:14:46.420
that's how much
time that they will take.
01:14:46.420 --> 01:14:48.979
And if you give them a pretty,
01:14:48.979 --> 01:14:50.064
create a little bit of a deadline there
01:14:50.064 --> 01:14:51.854
that it kinda stimulates people
01:14:51.854 --> 01:14:55.019
to kinda get in there,
get their registration done.
01:14:55.019 --> 01:14:57.102
But we do, with a caveat,
01:14:58.730 --> 01:15:00.186
that we do have a provision in there
01:15:00.186 --> 01:15:03.080
that allows for us to
take a late registration,
01:15:03.080 --> 01:15:04.663
I will tell you that as a chair,
01:15:04.663 --> 01:15:06.768
I've never turned
away a late registration
01:15:06.768 --> 01:15:09.036
and Mr. Chairman, I
don't think that you have
01:15:09.036 --> 01:15:10.370
nor have our previous chairs,
01:15:10.370 --> 01:15:12.077
we've always allowed that to happen.
01:15:12.077 --> 01:15:14.910
So, I guess what I'm saying is,
01:15:14.910 --> 01:15:16.856
I don't think that
there's anything here,
01:15:16.856 --> 01:15:19.638
that in my mind, is going to,
01:15:19.638 --> 01:15:24.138
dampen or squelch public
interaction in any way, so...
01:15:25.343 --> 01:15:27.094
Ms. Perez, and Dr. Bell Metro.
01:15:27.094 --> 01:15:28.094
Thank you.
01:15:29.317 --> 01:15:32.085
So, Monica, a few moments
ago, you mentioned...
01:15:32.085 --> 01:15:34.233
Okay, if 24 hours isn't enough,
01:15:34.233 --> 01:15:37.439
then let's find a compromise
between 24 hours and five days.
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.606
So, if our briefing is on the Thursday
01:15:45.770 --> 01:15:47.196
and they've got only 24 hours
01:15:47.196 --> 01:15:49.072
to determine if they're gonna testify
01:15:49.072 --> 01:15:50.468
and then get registered.
01:15:50.468 --> 01:15:54.378
What would be a
reasonable compromise for...
01:15:54.378 --> 01:15:58.651
To also taking into
consideration stuff requirements?
01:15:58.651 --> 01:16:00.211
So, I don't know that...
01:16:00.211 --> 01:16:01.792
I mean, to Mr. Maynard's point,
01:16:01.792 --> 01:16:03.961
I don't know that there's a way
01:16:03.961 --> 01:16:08.961
for us to accommodate what
you're asking in terms of later,
01:16:09.336 --> 01:16:12.207
without just going back
to the Monday at five.
01:16:12.207 --> 01:16:14.497
And so, what you'll lose in that
01:16:14.497 --> 01:16:17.269
is that we won't be able
to provide adequate notice
01:16:17.269 --> 01:16:19.250
to those who are registered,
01:16:19.250 --> 01:16:20.792
about where they are on the list.
01:16:20.792 --> 01:16:23.411
So, for example, for this meeting,
01:16:23.411 --> 01:16:26.520
registration closed at five on Friday,
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.325
Lenny spent Saturday
compiling those lists
01:16:30.325 --> 01:16:34.908
and we got them published
on the TEA website on Sunday.
01:16:35.862 --> 01:16:37.802
So, it usually, (indistinct)
01:16:37.802 --> 01:16:40.424
and that's all she was
doing on Saturday.
01:16:40.424 --> 01:16:43.545
We weren't doing our regular
Monday through Friday day jobs.
01:16:43.545 --> 01:16:46.825
So, trying to do all
of that on a Tuesday,
01:16:46.825 --> 01:16:48.717
if you have a hearing on Tuesday
01:16:48.717 --> 01:16:51.113
and registration closes
at five on Monday,
01:16:51.113 --> 01:16:54.424
there's not time for us to
compile and post the list
01:16:54.424 --> 01:16:58.203
to send out the zoom
credentials, to do all of those things.
01:16:58.203 --> 01:17:00.099
Now that's in a remote setting.
01:17:00.099 --> 01:17:03.598
You may be fine once
members of the public,
01:17:03.598 --> 01:17:05.054
can come in-person to testify.
01:17:05.054 --> 01:17:07.346
You may be fine with
them not having any notice
01:17:07.346 --> 01:17:08.928
of where they are on the list.
01:17:08.928 --> 01:17:11.845
It still does require, to be frank,
01:17:13.156 --> 01:17:16.636
Lenny to work late into
the hours on Monday,
01:17:16.636 --> 01:17:19.487
so that you have a list
for a Tuesday hearing.
01:17:19.487 --> 01:17:24.487
And so, I think that's what
we were trying to account for,
01:17:24.755 --> 01:17:29.365
was, the work that needs
to be done after folks testify.
01:17:29.365 --> 01:17:30.904
'Cause we can't compile a lists,
01:17:30.904 --> 01:17:33.032
until we know the
entirety of who's registered.
01:17:33.032 --> 01:17:35.150
So, it's not like it's
something we could do
01:17:35.150 --> 01:17:37.823
a little bit out of time.
01:17:37.823 --> 01:17:40.011
I think to Mr. Maynard's point,
01:17:40.011 --> 01:17:42.951
and I would just show you...
01:17:42.951 --> 01:17:45.784
Ask you to look at, I just had it.
01:17:47.255 --> 01:17:49.255
I think it's on page 10.
01:17:50.338 --> 01:17:51.935
Number six says
01:17:51.935 --> 01:17:54.482
that late registration will
be accepted until 30 minutes,
01:17:54.482 --> 01:17:56.453
before the scheduled start.
01:17:56.453 --> 01:17:59.517
So, it doesn't preclude somebody
01:17:59.517 --> 01:18:04.517
from sending something in
on, frankly, Monday, Tuesday...
01:18:04.754 --> 01:18:09.255
However long it is
before the actual meeting.
01:18:09.255 --> 01:18:11.217
And then, I mean, the
only difference is that,
01:18:11.217 --> 01:18:13.688
then those folks are not
captured in the summary
01:18:13.688 --> 01:18:16.824
and you make a decision
at the time of the meeting,
01:18:16.824 --> 01:18:19.196
about hearing those testifiers.
01:18:19.196 --> 01:18:20.862
So, there... It's not like it's,
01:18:20.862 --> 01:18:23.099
there isn't an avenue available,
01:18:23.099 --> 01:18:25.610
it's just, we're trying to...
01:18:25.610 --> 01:18:27.368
I'm just trying to make sure
that the work is reasonable
01:18:27.368 --> 01:18:28.781
for the staff who's having to do that.
01:18:28.781 --> 01:18:30.604
I think another point is
that we haven't had in a while,
01:18:30.604 --> 01:18:34.402
but when we're doing in ELR,
we had Monday public hearings
01:18:34.402 --> 01:18:36.386
and, so, now we have to figure out,
01:18:36.386 --> 01:18:38.084
well, if it's a Tuesday start,
01:18:38.084 --> 01:18:40.978
do people register Thursday,
Friday, is it a Monday start?
01:18:40.978 --> 01:18:42.185
Is it... - Yeah.
01:18:42.185 --> 01:18:43.772
And this, I think would
help keep consistency
01:18:43.772 --> 01:18:46.251
of regardless of what
date our meeting starts
01:18:46.251 --> 01:18:47.288
the following week.
01:18:47.288 --> 01:18:49.662
Well, and I think our current
chairman has worked hard
01:18:49.662 --> 01:18:51.871
to try to keep your meetings
01:18:51.871 --> 01:18:53.442
from being the week of a holiday.
01:18:53.442 --> 01:18:57.025
But one of the situations
we often face is,
01:18:58.657 --> 01:19:01.515
we have had to have
meetings the week of Labor Day,
01:19:01.515 --> 01:19:04.916
the week of the 4th of
July, the week of Easter.
01:19:04.916 --> 01:19:08.083
And so then, if a Monday is a holiday,
01:19:09.155 --> 01:19:11.209
then that also creates an issue.
01:19:11.209 --> 01:19:13.636
And so, we just felt
like Thursday, Friday,
01:19:13.636 --> 01:19:15.661
could be consistently applied
01:19:15.661 --> 01:19:19.494
and might make things
easier across the Board.
01:19:20.350 --> 01:19:21.767
Ms. Bell Metro.
01:19:22.812 --> 01:19:25.886
I'm new to this, so I
probably shouldn't even speak,
01:19:25.886 --> 01:19:30.219
but I do think that 24 hours
is too narrow a window.
01:19:31.718 --> 01:19:34.885
And I'm wondering if it's possible to,
01:19:34.885 --> 01:19:39.883
maybe, sort out the difference
between the remote testimony
01:19:39.883 --> 01:19:42.140
and in-person testimony.
01:19:42.140 --> 01:19:44.929
And I want to support
what Ms. Hardy said,
01:19:44.929 --> 01:19:49.929
about the idea of maintaining
this on, into the future,
01:19:49.966 --> 01:19:53.216
after we've gotten COVID under control,
01:19:54.485 --> 01:19:56.949
because I just think that we're going
01:19:56.949 --> 01:19:59.337
to be doing much more remotely
01:19:59.337 --> 01:20:02.397
and it does democratize the process,
01:20:02.397 --> 01:20:05.772
considerably, for people
who can't take off work
01:20:05.772 --> 01:20:08.605
to travel from El Paso to testify.
01:20:10.171 --> 01:20:11.726
To your first point
about 24 hours-
01:20:11.726 --> 01:20:12.561
Yeah-
01:20:12.561 --> 01:20:13.562
It's Thursday, Friday,
01:20:13.562 --> 01:20:15.809
so it's the start of
business on Thursday,
01:20:15.809 --> 01:20:17.313
till the end of business on Friday.
01:20:17.313 --> 01:20:18.703
So, it's more than 24 hours.
01:20:18.703 --> 01:20:19.833
Is that what you're referring to?
01:20:19.833 --> 01:20:20.666
Yeah.
01:20:20.666 --> 01:20:22.830
So, let me just clarify, Dr. Bell Metro,
01:20:22.830 --> 01:20:26.062
what Ms. Perez, was referring to,
01:20:26.062 --> 01:20:31.062
is that we, as a courtesy to
the professional associations,
01:20:31.411 --> 01:20:34.994
so, for example, the
teacher organizations,
01:20:38.573 --> 01:20:40.927
we do a briefing for them,
01:20:40.927 --> 01:20:43.146
where we walk them through the agenda.
01:20:43.146 --> 01:20:48.146
That briefing, typically,
takes place on that Thursday.
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:49.847
There's nothing that prohibits them
01:20:49.847 --> 01:20:51.346
from registering before that.
01:20:51.346 --> 01:20:54.094
I think Ms. Perez, was just
asking about how much time
01:20:54.094 --> 01:20:56.715
is there from the time
they attend that briefing?
01:20:56.715 --> 01:20:58.405
Which is something that not all members
01:20:58.405 --> 01:20:59.528
of the public have access to.
01:20:59.528 --> 01:21:04.048
It is a specific set of
organizations and the close.
01:21:04.048 --> 01:21:06.410
That's the 24 hours that
we were talking about
01:21:06.410 --> 01:21:10.243
and it's for that specific
set of individuals.
01:21:12.255 --> 01:21:13.088
Okay.
01:21:13.088 --> 01:21:14.478
I understand now thank you.
01:21:14.478 --> 01:21:15.645
Mr. Maynard.
01:21:17.810 --> 01:21:21.977
In this, my inquiry may
not be totally jermaine,
01:21:24.105 --> 01:21:25.795
but it kinda is.
01:21:25.795 --> 01:21:28.253
And that is, is that, I
guess my next question is,
01:21:28.253 --> 01:21:30.253
is that, are there ways,
01:21:32.398 --> 01:21:34.362
are there some software
solutions somewhere
01:21:34.362 --> 01:21:37.195
to automate this process and to...
01:21:38.727 --> 01:21:41.270
So, we don't have quite
as much hand work,
01:21:41.270 --> 01:21:44.686
and is that something
that we can think about?
01:21:44.686 --> 01:21:46.603
There very well maybe
01:21:47.685 --> 01:21:50.356
and they very well may come with a cost.
01:21:50.356 --> 01:21:53.912
And as you all know, you
don't have an extensive budget,
01:21:53.912 --> 01:21:57.989
so, we can certainly
explore some of those things,
01:21:57.989 --> 01:21:59.933
but then we would have to figure out,
01:21:59.933 --> 01:22:03.543
how to pay for something like that.
01:22:03.543 --> 01:22:04.719
And I don't know that...
01:22:04.719 --> 01:22:05.804
We could totally automate.
01:22:05.804 --> 01:22:06.887
So there's...
01:22:10.887 --> 01:22:12.779
Not to get too much in the weeds,
01:22:12.779 --> 01:22:17.363
but, for example, every
meeting we have some number
01:22:17.363 --> 01:22:19.865
of individuals who sign
up for the wrong committee.
01:22:19.865 --> 01:22:21.484
So, there are phone calls involved.
01:22:21.484 --> 01:22:23.700
I don't think there's a
way to automate that.
01:22:23.700 --> 01:22:25.588
To make sure... So, it
happened this time around
01:22:25.588 --> 01:22:29.296
where we had individuals who
registered to testify on Friday
01:22:29.296 --> 01:22:31.151
for an item that you
have on your agenda,
01:22:31.151 --> 01:22:33.293
that we had to call and
get more information,
01:22:33.293 --> 01:22:36.337
about what they wanted to testify on,
01:22:36.337 --> 01:22:39.773
get a response and then
get them on the right list.
01:22:39.773 --> 01:22:41.355
So, there are some pieces of that,
01:22:41.355 --> 01:22:43.404
we will never be able to automate.
01:22:43.404 --> 01:22:44.458
Before I call Ms. Hardy,
01:22:44.458 --> 01:22:46.383
I think the other thing to think about
01:22:46.383 --> 01:22:47.956
is, I know the Texas Senate
01:22:47.956 --> 01:22:50.398
and the Texas house is
struggling with the same,
01:22:50.398 --> 01:22:52.602
exact question that we're
going through right now,
01:22:52.602 --> 01:22:55.478
is what is their process gonna be like,
01:22:55.478 --> 01:22:57.277
going into the future
for public testimony.
01:22:57.277 --> 01:22:59.433
So, it might be a little
wait and see, and watch,
01:22:59.433 --> 01:23:00.769
what other solutions are out there.
01:23:00.769 --> 01:23:01.602
Ms. Hardy.
01:23:02.993 --> 01:23:03.826
I just wanted...
01:23:03.826 --> 01:23:07.536
I appreciate what
Monica was talking about
01:23:07.536 --> 01:23:10.179
the expense to set it up,
01:23:10.179 --> 01:23:13.429
so that we could have Zoom testimonies.
01:23:14.412 --> 01:23:18.971
But I think, if we don't say
something specific to that,
01:23:18.971 --> 01:23:21.727
then no one will know
that we actually need
01:23:21.727 --> 01:23:25.847
to consider the funding
for that, for the future.
01:23:25.847 --> 01:23:29.251
So, I would like to see in
some way it to come out,
01:23:29.251 --> 01:23:33.537
that we would like to
continue that to a certain extent,
01:23:33.537 --> 01:23:35.266
so that we could work towards that.
01:23:35.266 --> 01:23:37.427
Not realizing, fully,
01:23:37.427 --> 01:23:40.280
that we wouldn't have
the capabilities right now,
01:23:40.280 --> 01:23:42.803
but that we would be able to, possibly,
01:23:42.803 --> 01:23:46.762
consider that as a
budget thing in the future.
01:23:46.762 --> 01:23:47.595
Okay.
01:23:47.595 --> 01:23:49.428
Any other discussions?
01:23:49.428 --> 01:23:50.261
All right.
01:23:50.261 --> 01:23:51.881
So, let me try to figure
out where we're at,
01:23:51.881 --> 01:23:53.319
parliamentarian wise.
01:23:53.319 --> 01:23:54.614
(paper rattling)
01:23:54.614 --> 01:23:56.423
We've had quite a
bit of discussion here.
01:23:56.423 --> 01:23:59.673
So, we are on staff changes to section-
01:24:02.337 --> 01:24:03.170
2.10.
01:24:03.170 --> 01:24:04.003
2.10.
01:24:05.526 --> 01:24:06.896
So, we've had discussion,
01:24:06.896 --> 01:24:10.812
but no other amendments
made to section 2.10.
01:24:10.812 --> 01:24:13.520
So, I think what we have to do,
01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:15.359
before I call on you Ms. Melton-Malone,
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:19.436
is there any amendments
to the amendments
01:24:19.436 --> 01:24:21.103
that staff has made?
01:24:22.087 --> 01:24:23.211
Mr. Hickman.
01:24:23.211 --> 01:24:24.295
Yes, sir.
01:24:24.295 --> 01:24:27.628
Change B, 1, from Thursday to Wednesday,
01:24:29.605 --> 01:24:32.162
to give people an additional day.
01:24:32.162 --> 01:24:35.589
And Ms. Martinez,
what I would suggest is,
01:24:35.589 --> 01:24:38.503
if it's possible to send
all of these notifications,
01:24:38.503 --> 01:24:41.519
instead of 24 hours,
send them all on Monday
01:24:41.519 --> 01:24:42.936
in one big batch.
01:24:48.162 --> 01:24:49.846
You wanna put that in here?
01:24:49.846 --> 01:24:52.301
I don't know if that's
germane to our rules
01:24:52.301 --> 01:24:53.248
or if that's your-
01:24:53.248 --> 01:24:55.857
I would rather you not
legislate our processes,
01:24:55.857 --> 01:24:57.774
because I'm not sure
that that's gonna work.
01:24:57.774 --> 01:24:58.607
Okay.
01:24:58.607 --> 01:25:00.644
Well, you had mentioned
not to add additional days,
01:25:00.644 --> 01:25:01.855
because it ties up staff,
01:25:01.855 --> 01:25:04.122
because you send them within 24 hours.
01:25:04.122 --> 01:25:05.329
Yeah, well...
01:25:05.329 --> 01:25:06.162
Yeah.
01:25:06.162 --> 01:25:10.874
I mean, again, I'd like to
not have that in the rule.
01:25:10.874 --> 01:25:12.993
I think you're gonna get
members of the public,
01:25:12.993 --> 01:25:15.327
who are not gonna be happy about that.
01:25:15.327 --> 01:25:18.387
And so, I would
appreciate the flexibility.
01:25:18.387 --> 01:25:19.262
Okay.
01:25:19.262 --> 01:25:20.761
I mean, we're still trying
01:25:20.761 --> 01:25:25.414
to provide good customer
service on your behalf.
01:25:25.414 --> 01:25:26.303
And I just...
01:25:26.303 --> 01:25:27.806
And I don't think she's
in the room right now,
01:25:27.806 --> 01:25:29.821
but this is a bear for Lenny.
01:25:29.821 --> 01:25:31.364
It is...
01:25:31.364 --> 01:25:34.509
I can't even begin to
describe the amount of work
01:25:34.509 --> 01:25:35.929
that this involves for her.
01:25:35.929 --> 01:25:40.051
And so, what I don't want
is to further tie our hands
01:25:40.051 --> 01:25:42.403
in trying to do the
best job we can for you.
01:25:42.403 --> 01:25:43.236
Yeah, sorry-
01:25:43.236 --> 01:25:44.069
Do we have-
01:25:44.069 --> 01:25:46.650
Questions of the amendment
of (indistinct) adding one day.
01:25:46.650 --> 01:25:47.483
I'm sorry.
01:25:47.483 --> 01:25:48.878
Sorry, I wasn't
trying to legislate,
01:25:48.878 --> 01:25:50.077
I was just asking a question,
01:25:50.077 --> 01:25:51.649
but the amendment is
just add one more day.
01:25:51.649 --> 01:25:52.482
Okay.
01:25:52.482 --> 01:25:55.232
So, you have the amendment,
do we have a second?
01:25:55.232 --> 01:25:56.521
Okay, we have a motion and a second.
01:25:56.521 --> 01:25:57.483
I would just point out too,
01:25:57.483 --> 01:25:59.044
I think there's some
hands raised for discussion.
01:25:59.044 --> 01:25:59.877
We had...
01:26:01.274 --> 01:26:02.812
I wanna say as in the September meeting,
01:26:02.812 --> 01:26:06.342
over 600 testifiers throughout that,
01:26:06.342 --> 01:26:11.318
that we're able staff
adequately in the time periods
01:26:11.318 --> 01:26:15.401
that we currently have
here, over 600 testifiers.
01:26:16.786 --> 01:26:19.828
I'm not sure, sometimes
we have a solution,
01:26:19.828 --> 01:26:22.306
looking for a problem,
this may be one of those.
01:26:22.306 --> 01:26:25.680
I saw Ms. Perez and then Ms. Young.
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:26.680
Thank you.
01:26:27.889 --> 01:26:30.827
Monica, I definitely
hear what you're saying,
01:26:30.827 --> 01:26:34.827
that Lenny and that
office has a difficult time,
01:26:36.515 --> 01:26:39.848
after the registration closes on Friday.
01:26:40.706 --> 01:26:43.623
And, because so much of what we do,
01:26:44.478 --> 01:26:47.501
impacts our teachers
directly, it's a bit different
01:26:47.501 --> 01:26:49.812
than more time for the public.
01:26:49.812 --> 01:26:53.436
And so, if the issue is short staffing,
01:26:53.436 --> 01:26:57.981
then that's separate from
the way we should allow time
01:26:57.981 --> 01:26:59.577
for individuals, particularly,
01:26:59.577 --> 01:27:02.097
our teacher associations to register.
01:27:02.097 --> 01:27:04.748
So, is it possible that, in addition
01:27:04.748 --> 01:27:07.762
to seeking more
staffing and more funding
01:27:07.762 --> 01:27:10.823
that we give 48 hours rather than 24.
01:27:10.823 --> 01:27:13.136
Meaning, closing on Saturday.
01:27:13.136 --> 01:27:15.822
Just to find a happy
compromise between now
01:27:15.822 --> 01:27:20.038
and whenever a better
solution comes to light?
01:27:20.038 --> 01:27:21.802
Well, so, I mean, I
think I would just say,
01:27:21.802 --> 01:27:26.516
again, the focus on those
individuals who participate
01:27:26.516 --> 01:27:28.673
in those briefings,
those are the individuals,
01:27:28.673 --> 01:27:31.962
who are most in tune
with what is happening
01:27:31.962 --> 01:27:32.986
at these meetings.
01:27:32.986 --> 01:27:36.252
We post the agenda
in advance of that time.
01:27:36.252 --> 01:27:37.085
They get a...
01:27:37.085 --> 01:27:38.964
They've been getting a personal email
01:27:38.964 --> 01:27:43.354
from me with the agenda,
even a week before that.
01:27:43.354 --> 01:27:47.187
So, I don't think it's
quite accurate to say,
01:27:47.187 --> 01:27:49.063
that they're only
getting 24 hours notice,
01:27:49.063 --> 01:27:50.627
because they attend the briefing.
01:27:50.627 --> 01:27:52.814
Because they've gotten
all of that information,
01:27:52.814 --> 01:27:54.351
well in advance of that.
01:27:54.351 --> 01:27:56.437
And many of them come
01:27:56.437 --> 01:27:59.019
with their members
already having registered
01:27:59.019 --> 01:28:01.104
by the time they get to the briefing.
01:28:01.104 --> 01:28:03.163
And I wanna speak in
defensive staff also to,
01:28:03.163 --> 01:28:06.766
as Ms. Martinez
pointed out, that her staff
01:28:06.766 --> 01:28:10.452
is already working on
Saturday and on Sunday.
01:28:10.452 --> 01:28:11.839
And when you move that back,
01:28:11.839 --> 01:28:12.942
it would be condensing two days of work,
01:28:12.942 --> 01:28:15.930
over a weekend, before
our meetings into one.
01:28:15.930 --> 01:28:19.138
So, again, I wanna
make sure that we're...
01:28:19.138 --> 01:28:21.762
That if members have
heard specific complaints
01:28:21.762 --> 01:28:24.552
where there's an issue
that needs to be resolved,
01:28:24.552 --> 01:28:26.135
I think it might be
appropriate to do this,
01:28:26.135 --> 01:28:28.845
but if we're not hearing
specific complaints
01:28:28.845 --> 01:28:30.654
of members of the public and again,
01:28:30.654 --> 01:28:33.153
in light of registering appropriately
01:28:33.153 --> 01:28:36.318
and adequately over 600, testifiers,
01:28:36.318 --> 01:28:39.636
I'm not sure the importance
of changing a process
01:28:39.636 --> 01:28:43.456
that seems to be working quite well.
01:28:43.456 --> 01:28:46.289
Any other discussion from members?
01:28:48.403 --> 01:28:52.053
All right, so I would
ask all those in favor
01:28:52.053 --> 01:28:54.515
of the amendment from Mr. Hickman,
01:28:54.515 --> 01:28:58.107
which is to add...
It was to add...
01:28:58.107 --> 01:28:59.801
Change Thursday to Wednesday.
01:28:59.801 --> 01:29:01.759
Thursday to Wednesday,
01:29:01.759 --> 01:29:03.926
show By raising your hand.
01:29:11.095 --> 01:29:11.928
Four.
01:29:11.928 --> 01:29:15.345
And all those opposed
by the same sign.
01:29:19.162 --> 01:29:20.048
Seven.
01:29:20.048 --> 01:29:21.990
Okay, so the
motion is defeated.
01:29:21.990 --> 01:29:22.862
So, I'm asking now...
01:29:22.862 --> 01:29:24.303
I'm gonna ask Ms. Melton-Malone,
01:29:24.303 --> 01:29:27.067
did you have an amendment
to want a staff amendment?
01:29:27.067 --> 01:29:30.307
No, I just had a cleanup
that we needed to...
01:29:30.307 --> 01:29:31.967
We might need to take care of.
01:29:31.967 --> 01:29:33.090
Okay, I'll come back to...
01:29:33.090 --> 01:29:33.923
After we...
01:29:33.923 --> 01:29:38.923
Is there any other amendments
to staff amendments in 2.10?
01:29:39.142 --> 01:29:40.021
All right, hearing none.
01:29:40.021 --> 01:29:41.967
Then I'll open up to
amendment for members,
01:29:41.967 --> 01:29:43.467
Ms. Melton-Malone.
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.069
Just a question.
01:29:46.069 --> 01:29:46.902
And I...
01:29:46.902 --> 01:29:51.038
Like I said, maybe a
cleanup on page 10 on C, 2.
01:29:51.038 --> 01:29:55.538
If we change that to two
minutes for testimony,
01:29:55.538 --> 01:29:59.788
then down in D, 2, it says
three minute time limits
01:30:00.626 --> 01:30:02.228
on individual or testimony.
01:30:02.228 --> 01:30:06.645
Don't we need to change
that to two minutes, as well?
01:30:07.557 --> 01:30:08.390
Yes, ma'am.
01:30:08.390 --> 01:30:10.640
I thought we had made that.
01:30:11.694 --> 01:30:12.653
(indistinct)
01:30:12.653 --> 01:30:14.629
Yeah, we didn't catch that one.
01:30:14.629 --> 01:30:16.099
Well, I just now
caught it myself.
01:30:16.099 --> 01:30:17.997
I was just scanning through and I...
01:30:17.997 --> 01:30:21.537
Oh, wait a minute,
so... (laughing)
01:30:23.695 --> 01:30:26.019
You're correct on that,
thank you, Mrs. Melton-Malone.
01:30:26.019 --> 01:30:27.436
You're welcome.
01:30:28.890 --> 01:30:31.585
Is there any objection
to Ms. Melton-Malone's
01:30:31.585 --> 01:30:33.585
and that was to in D, 2,
01:30:37.451 --> 01:30:39.816
to changing three
minutes to two, correct?
01:30:39.816 --> 01:30:42.285
All right, is there any objection?
01:30:42.285 --> 01:30:43.818
Hearing none, that carries.
01:30:43.818 --> 01:30:46.901
Ms. Young, did you have an amendment?
01:30:48.540 --> 01:30:51.457
I was looking
back at 2.10, A, 5.
01:30:53.788 --> 01:30:57.728
Just wondering if you might
wanna just split the two?
01:30:57.728 --> 01:31:00.228
You have the presiding
chair shall determine
01:31:00.228 --> 01:31:01.576
which speakers will be heard.
01:31:01.576 --> 01:31:03.425
And then in that, included in it,
01:31:03.425 --> 01:31:05.519
is the presiding chair
shall also determine,
01:31:05.519 --> 01:31:08.330
whether speakers who did not register.
01:31:08.330 --> 01:31:11.434
And I just wondered if
maybe we should make that
01:31:11.434 --> 01:31:13.517
it's own separate number?
01:31:14.606 --> 01:31:16.989
(laughing)
01:31:16.989 --> 01:31:18.608
Quite a ruckus
going on out there.
01:31:18.608 --> 01:31:19.441
Yeah.
01:31:19.441 --> 01:31:20.949
All right.
01:31:20.949 --> 01:31:22.907
So, to clarifying, are you asking
01:31:22.907 --> 01:31:24.999
to essentially divide five into-
01:31:24.999 --> 01:31:26.256
Two parts.
01:31:26.256 --> 01:31:27.089
Two parts?
01:31:27.089 --> 01:31:28.148
Changing anything or just-
01:31:28.148 --> 01:31:29.438
Nope, just separating it.
01:31:29.438 --> 01:31:30.977
So, where would the new...
01:31:30.977 --> 01:31:33.310
Where would the split be at?
01:31:34.827 --> 01:31:38.382
Right before the presiding
chairs shall also determine?
01:31:38.382 --> 01:31:39.215
Yes, sir.
01:31:39.215 --> 01:31:40.048
Okay.
01:31:40.048 --> 01:31:42.747
So, the motion is to splits number five
01:31:42.747 --> 01:31:45.095
and then will appropriately re-number...
01:31:45.095 --> 01:31:48.277
Item six will become number seven.
01:31:48.277 --> 01:31:49.944
Do we have a second?
01:31:51.412 --> 01:31:52.958
Okay, a motion a second.
01:31:52.958 --> 01:31:55.875
Any further discussion on that one?
01:31:58.719 --> 01:32:00.811
Is there any objection?
01:32:00.811 --> 01:32:02.159
Ms. Hardy, is there a question?
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:04.992
Ask the author
to explain again.
01:32:06.027 --> 01:32:07.027
Ms. Young-
01:32:08.863 --> 01:32:09.815
(cross talk)
01:32:09.815 --> 01:32:11.134
I'm sorry.
01:32:11.134 --> 01:32:13.362
She asked you to
speak to your motion.
01:32:13.362 --> 01:32:18.119
Because it's two different
actions within the same line
01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:20.975
and so I feel like that,
by separating them out,
01:32:20.975 --> 01:32:22.549
those who would be reading through it,
01:32:22.549 --> 01:32:24.798
who might not read
past the first five words,
01:32:24.798 --> 01:32:27.946
will then get to the second part of it.
01:32:27.946 --> 01:32:28.779
Okay.
01:32:32.244 --> 01:32:33.456
Any other discussion?
01:32:33.456 --> 01:32:35.373
Is there any objection?
01:32:37.214 --> 01:32:40.430
Hearing none, the motion carries.
01:32:40.430 --> 01:32:44.368
All right, any other
from members in 2.10?
01:32:44.368 --> 01:32:45.368
Mr. Maynard.
01:32:46.795 --> 01:32:48.459
They also then suggest that,
01:32:48.459 --> 01:32:52.125
if we split and include a new six,
01:32:52.125 --> 01:32:55.792
the word also, refers
to the first sentence.
01:32:58.357 --> 01:33:00.045
And so, in the new six,
01:33:00.045 --> 01:33:05.045
I would move to strike the
word, also, after the word shall.
01:33:07.128 --> 01:33:08.638
Mr. Chairman?
01:33:08.638 --> 01:33:09.471
Yes, ma'am.
01:33:09.471 --> 01:33:12.010
Staff can make that
it's a technical (indistinct).
01:33:12.010 --> 01:33:12.912
It's a technical edit.
01:33:12.912 --> 01:33:13.768
Okay.
01:33:13.768 --> 01:33:14.736
Yeah.
01:33:14.736 --> 01:33:15.724
So, I'm being informed
01:33:15.724 --> 01:33:17.411
that staff can make those
technical amendments.
01:33:17.411 --> 01:33:18.332
Okay.
01:33:18.332 --> 01:33:19.165
That's fine.
01:33:19.165 --> 01:33:23.498
Any other amendments
from members in section 2.10?
01:33:25.689 --> 01:33:26.522
All right.
01:33:26.522 --> 01:33:28.362
I will... I've got nothing
from staff in 2.11,
01:33:28.362 --> 01:33:30.445
any from members in 2.11?
01:33:31.363 --> 01:33:32.946
2.12, Ms. Martinez.
01:33:34.129 --> 01:33:35.212
Excuse me Mr. Chairman?
01:33:35.212 --> 01:33:36.045
Yes, ma'am.
01:33:36.045 --> 01:33:38.462
(indistinct)
01:33:41.388 --> 01:33:42.554
All right, I'm gonna back up.
01:33:42.554 --> 01:33:46.942
We did not vote on the entirety
of the staff recommendations
01:33:46.942 --> 01:33:48.157
from section 2.10.
01:33:48.157 --> 01:33:49.932
I do have a motion
and a second, correct?
01:33:49.932 --> 01:33:50.765
(indistinct)
01:33:50.765 --> 01:33:51.598
Okay.
01:33:51.598 --> 01:33:54.301
So, is there any objection
to the staff changes,
01:33:54.301 --> 01:33:56.051
as presented in 2.10?
01:33:57.246 --> 01:33:59.859
Hearing none, the amendments carry.
01:33:59.859 --> 01:34:00.950
Thank you, Ms. Kay.
01:34:00.950 --> 01:34:02.950
And Ms. Martinez to 2.12
01:34:07.624 --> 01:34:09.012
So in...
01:34:09.012 --> 01:34:09.845
In A, 2...
01:34:11.571 --> 01:34:16.154
A, 2, currently, talks about
your other public hearings
01:34:17.155 --> 01:34:21.013
and specifically mentions
instructional materials adoption.
01:34:21.013 --> 01:34:24.570
However, your text review process,
01:34:24.570 --> 01:34:28.643
does specifically include
public hearings related
01:34:28.643 --> 01:34:30.575
to text review and revision.
01:34:30.575 --> 01:34:33.679
And so, we thought you
might wanna go ahead
01:34:33.679 --> 01:34:37.119
and explicitly mentioned
here as a second topic
01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:39.281
that you typically
will conduct hearings,
01:34:39.281 --> 01:34:44.281
is on adoption of the
essential knowledge and skills.
01:34:44.382 --> 01:34:48.875
And then just as the
instructional materials references
01:34:48.875 --> 01:34:51.365
that being governed by Chapter 66,
01:34:51.365 --> 01:34:54.530
if you wanted to add the text review,
01:34:54.530 --> 01:34:57.267
then we would suggest
adding that those public hearings
01:34:57.267 --> 01:34:58.955
are governed by the SBOE,
01:34:58.955 --> 01:35:02.513
approved text review
and revision process.
01:35:02.513 --> 01:35:07.210
C is that, conforming adjustment
to the number of minutes
01:35:07.210 --> 01:35:08.694
for testimony.
01:35:08.694 --> 01:35:10.395
All right, I'm
looking for a motion
01:35:10.395 --> 01:35:12.609
for staff changes in section 2.12?
01:35:12.609 --> 01:35:14.751
I have a motion, do I have a second?
01:35:14.751 --> 01:35:15.919
Okay.
01:35:15.919 --> 01:35:17.539
Is there any further questions
01:35:17.539 --> 01:35:21.572
or discussion on the
changes proposed to 2.12?
01:35:21.572 --> 01:35:22.905
Miss Bell Metro?
01:35:24.276 --> 01:35:26.359
This isn't for changes.
01:35:27.643 --> 01:35:29.310
So, I withdraw that.
01:35:30.396 --> 01:35:33.820
I have a recommendation for changes.
01:35:33.820 --> 01:35:35.295
Outside of the staff
recommendations?
01:35:35.295 --> 01:35:36.128
Yes.
01:35:36.128 --> 01:35:36.961
Okay.
01:35:36.961 --> 01:35:40.558
So, any others for
staff recommendations?
01:35:40.558 --> 01:35:41.448
Hearing none.
01:35:41.448 --> 01:35:45.531
Is there any objection to
the changes from staff?
01:35:46.784 --> 01:35:48.270
Hearing none.
01:35:48.270 --> 01:35:49.534
The amendments, carry.
01:35:49.534 --> 01:35:51.912
And I'll call miss Metro for a...
01:35:51.912 --> 01:35:53.315
Do you have an amendment
01:35:53.315 --> 01:35:56.646
for something outside
of the staff changes?
01:35:56.646 --> 01:35:59.813
In looking at 2.12,
section D and E,
01:36:05.504 --> 01:36:08.921
asking for 35 collated
or stapled copies,
01:36:10.639 --> 01:36:12.722
hard copies of testimony.
01:36:14.014 --> 01:36:16.847
I'm wondering and the same with E,
01:36:18.860 --> 01:36:23.860
is it possible to try to look
at paper reduction standards
01:36:24.324 --> 01:36:27.157
and allow a digital version, a PDF
01:36:32.754 --> 01:36:35.325
to be sent to those 35 people
01:36:35.325 --> 01:36:39.329
or provided for people
who want to opt out
01:36:39.329 --> 01:36:41.412
of an electronic version?
01:36:42.455 --> 01:36:45.744
To make it fewer copies
of paper materials?
01:36:45.744 --> 01:36:48.161
Good question Ms. Martinez.
01:36:49.814 --> 01:36:50.647
Yeah.
01:36:50.647 --> 01:36:52.558
I mean, I think that's really up to you.
01:36:52.558 --> 01:36:53.998
We do...
01:36:53.998 --> 01:36:57.460
So, just to explain a little
bit about the 35 copies,
01:36:57.460 --> 01:36:59.921
the SBOE support office,
01:36:59.921 --> 01:37:02.705
does maintain a copy
of any written testimony
01:37:02.705 --> 01:37:04.122
that you receive.
01:37:05.428 --> 01:37:10.428
So, that's typically the 35 is
the 15 members of the Board,
01:37:10.483 --> 01:37:14.688
plus staff, plus what
we retain in the office.
01:37:14.688 --> 01:37:17.855
So, I think we would probably still...
01:37:23.735 --> 01:37:24.653
I mean, if it...
01:37:24.653 --> 01:37:26.807
As long as we also
received a digital copy,
01:37:26.807 --> 01:37:29.416
we just wanna make sure
that we're able to retain,
01:37:29.416 --> 01:37:32.225
because it is not uncommon
that someone will...
01:37:32.225 --> 01:37:34.880
In this room, will come
back and ask for something
01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:36.320
that you received in the past.
01:37:36.320 --> 01:37:38.119
And we need to be able to access that.
01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:40.844
If it's on a roll, we also
need to be able to include it
01:37:40.844 --> 01:37:43.138
in the summary of public comments.
01:37:43.138 --> 01:37:46.646
So, I think it's really up to you all,
01:37:46.646 --> 01:37:50.563
whether you want hard
copies or digital copies.
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:54.719
And if we're gonna go digital,
01:37:54.719 --> 01:37:56.385
we might want to about the process.
01:37:56.385 --> 01:38:00.187
So when you have a hundred
people come into the room,
01:38:00.187 --> 01:38:01.626
they come with their copies,
01:38:01.626 --> 01:38:03.357
we distribute those for you,
01:38:03.357 --> 01:38:05.789
as the testifiers are coming up.
01:38:05.789 --> 01:38:08.206
If they're electronic copies,
01:38:09.294 --> 01:38:10.983
I think we then just need to figure out
01:38:10.983 --> 01:38:13.998
when and how we get them to you.
01:38:13.998 --> 01:38:17.125
And if we're not able to
get them emailed to you
01:38:17.125 --> 01:38:19.596
in real time, like we
can distribute paper,
01:38:19.596 --> 01:38:21.574
we wanna make sure
you all are okay with that.
01:38:21.574 --> 01:38:23.154
I guess, two
clarifying comments,
01:38:23.154 --> 01:38:26.958
they're not required to provide
written testimony, correct?
01:38:26.958 --> 01:38:29.181
If they choose not to,
they just choose to speak?
01:38:29.181 --> 01:38:30.511
That's correct.
01:38:30.511 --> 01:38:33.837
I mean, it does say persons
who testify shall bring copies,
01:38:33.837 --> 01:38:36.403
but essentially the way
we've handled this is,
01:38:36.403 --> 01:38:39.592
if you are going to
bring copies, we need 35.
01:38:39.592 --> 01:38:40.425
Okay.
01:38:40.425 --> 01:38:41.954
And just also kind of
a clarifying question,
01:38:41.954 --> 01:38:43.374
do we end up with that...
01:38:43.374 --> 01:38:44.480
Is 35, the right numbers?
01:38:44.480 --> 01:38:45.730
Is it 30 or 25?
01:38:46.683 --> 01:38:50.890
35 is probably a little
more than we need.
01:38:50.890 --> 01:38:53.772
Once upon a time, the
staff table was populated
01:38:53.772 --> 01:38:56.480
with two or three times
the number of people
01:38:56.480 --> 01:38:58.113
who are here now.
01:38:58.113 --> 01:39:00.186
And not all staff necessarily
want the hard copies.
01:39:00.186 --> 01:39:03.015
I don't feel like I need a hard copy,
01:39:03.015 --> 01:39:05.934
as long as the Board office has one.
01:39:05.934 --> 01:39:09.924
So, for example, for
today, for our purposes,
01:39:09.924 --> 01:39:14.015
we've been making 20 copies,
to make sure everybody...
01:39:14.015 --> 01:39:15.530
All Board members have a copy
01:39:15.530 --> 01:39:19.890
and then that we've got five
extras for records retention
01:39:19.890 --> 01:39:21.551
and staff who might need them.
01:39:21.551 --> 01:39:22.877
Is 25 a more reasonable number?
01:39:22.877 --> 01:39:24.853
So, I think we
could go 20 or 25,
01:39:24.853 --> 01:39:28.603
if you wanted to reduce
and probably be fine.
01:39:29.532 --> 01:39:31.020
Any other...
01:39:31.020 --> 01:39:33.770
That's progress if we go to 20.
01:39:36.171 --> 01:39:38.271
So, would you like to
make an amendment?
01:39:38.271 --> 01:39:39.346
Yes.
01:39:39.346 --> 01:39:42.003
Change that number to 20.
01:39:42.003 --> 01:39:43.475
On both D and E?
01:39:43.475 --> 01:39:44.308
Yes.
01:39:44.308 --> 01:39:45.141
Okay.
01:39:47.392 --> 01:39:49.537
All right, do we have a second?
01:39:49.537 --> 01:39:50.370
Second.
01:39:50.370 --> 01:39:51.374
A motion and a second.
01:39:51.374 --> 01:39:52.207
Any further discussion?
01:39:52.207 --> 01:39:53.040
I have a...
01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:53.873
Mr. Hickman.
01:39:53.873 --> 01:39:56.692
Friendly amendment,
changed shall to may in D.
01:39:56.692 --> 01:39:58.561
(indistinct)
01:39:58.561 --> 01:39:59.394
Okay.
01:40:00.836 --> 01:40:02.121
So it is my...
01:40:02.121 --> 01:40:04.153
I've learned from my parliamentarian,
01:40:04.153 --> 01:40:07.540
there are no friendly
amendment, so what it'll entail.
01:40:07.540 --> 01:40:09.409
I'm a slow learner, but-
01:40:09.409 --> 01:40:12.626
I can withdraw my amendment.
01:40:12.626 --> 01:40:14.356
You're fine.
01:40:14.356 --> 01:40:15.189
(indistinct)
01:40:15.189 --> 01:40:16.377
We're just saying it
doesn't make a difference
01:40:16.377 --> 01:40:18.329
if you say that the
amendment is friendly or not,
01:40:18.329 --> 01:40:19.231
it's still an amendment.
01:40:19.231 --> 01:40:20.782
(laughing)
01:40:20.782 --> 01:40:22.915
So, we have an
amendment to amendment
01:40:22.915 --> 01:40:26.915
to change shall (indistinct) D.
01:40:28.348 --> 01:40:31.043
Yeah, I think in E,
it says may provide
01:40:31.043 --> 01:40:33.209
and in D, it says shall bring.
01:40:33.209 --> 01:40:36.097
So the amendment to the
amendment, is in section D,
01:40:36.097 --> 01:40:39.100
to strike shall and add, may.
01:40:39.100 --> 01:40:40.767
Do we have a second?
01:40:41.676 --> 01:40:43.543
Is there any objection?
01:40:43.543 --> 01:40:45.163
Hearing none, the amendment
to amendment carries.
01:40:45.163 --> 01:40:49.830
We're back to the, Ms. Bell
Metro amendment, as amended.
01:40:50.830 --> 01:40:52.747
Any further discussion?
01:40:54.092 --> 01:40:56.142
Is there any objection?
01:40:56.142 --> 01:40:57.779
All right, the amendment carries.
01:40:57.779 --> 01:40:59.133
All right, any other...
01:40:59.133 --> 01:41:02.380
Did you have any others
Ms. Bell Metro, for 2.12?
01:41:02.380 --> 01:41:03.795
I did have a question.
01:41:03.795 --> 01:41:04.628
Yes, ma'am.
01:41:04.628 --> 01:41:09.628
And that is, is there a way
to ask for an electronic copy?
01:41:13.977 --> 01:41:18.493
We're asking for this, is
there an electronic company...
01:41:18.493 --> 01:41:21.993
Copy there that I'm just missing?
01:41:21.993 --> 01:41:23.342
I think the challenge is too
01:41:23.342 --> 01:41:25.248
is just the process
that we have switched
01:41:25.248 --> 01:41:27.763
from 100% in person, to 100% virtual.
01:41:27.763 --> 01:41:29.899
And we don't know where
we're gonna be at in the future.
01:41:29.899 --> 01:41:31.087
When they're here...
01:41:31.087 --> 01:41:33.264
When this room is
completely full of testifiers
01:41:33.264 --> 01:41:34.986
and moving this process,
01:41:34.986 --> 01:41:38.095
I think that would be quite
complicated to go from,
01:41:38.095 --> 01:41:41.973
here's a hard copy, now
let's also make sure we have
01:41:41.973 --> 01:41:45.723
them email it to staff,
staff email it to us.
01:41:47.018 --> 01:41:48.780
That's my- Yeah.
01:41:48.780 --> 01:41:49.697
So, with...
01:41:52.815 --> 01:41:54.486
Since we've been virtual,
01:41:54.486 --> 01:41:56.986
I think we've had fewer
folks provide copies.
01:41:56.986 --> 01:42:00.066
We have tried to the best of our ability
01:42:00.066 --> 01:42:03.220
when those are sent to
the SPOE support email
01:42:03.220 --> 01:42:06.492
to send those out to you via email.
01:42:06.492 --> 01:42:11.159
But it does, sort of, depend
on when those are received.
01:42:12.134 --> 01:42:15.473
So, I think if you wanted
to request digital copies,
01:42:15.473 --> 01:42:19.306
we would need to ask
for those well in advance
01:42:21.270 --> 01:42:23.361
of the actual meeting,
01:42:23.361 --> 01:42:25.299
so that we could then get them organized
01:42:25.299 --> 01:42:27.216
and emailed out to you.
01:42:29.464 --> 01:42:31.499
And then I think just...
01:42:31.499 --> 01:42:32.655
We would just ask that you recognize,
01:42:32.655 --> 01:42:34.649
you might not get them in real time,
01:42:34.649 --> 01:42:36.764
the way you do a handout,
01:42:36.764 --> 01:42:40.095
just because that requires somebody
01:42:40.095 --> 01:42:44.052
to be sitting at a computer
and hitting send on emails
01:42:44.052 --> 01:42:46.377
for any digital copies that come in.
01:42:46.377 --> 01:42:48.458
And, as Dr. Ellis has mentioned,
01:42:48.458 --> 01:42:49.987
if we have hundreds of testifiers,
01:42:49.987 --> 01:42:52.558
it gets really
complicated really quickly.
01:42:52.558 --> 01:42:54.893
And just may be, I'm
gonna spring this on staff too,
01:42:54.893 --> 01:42:58.576
but to the comment about other platforms
01:42:58.576 --> 01:43:00.523
to doing this type of work,
01:43:00.523 --> 01:43:03.630
I've talked a little bit about
a Dropbox type procedure,
01:43:03.630 --> 01:43:06.284
maybe in the future,
that things come in,
01:43:06.284 --> 01:43:08.542
they go to a Dropbox type feature
01:43:08.542 --> 01:43:10.834
and that's something I think
we can look at down the road
01:43:10.834 --> 01:43:11.913
to maybe help with that problem.
01:43:11.913 --> 01:43:12.746
Mr. Maynard.
01:43:12.746 --> 01:43:13.579
Yeah.
01:43:13.579 --> 01:43:15.761
And just as a... Just a...
01:43:15.761 --> 01:43:16.882
This is a matter of practice.
01:43:16.882 --> 01:43:19.678
I will say that, since
we started going remote
01:43:19.678 --> 01:43:21.344
is that there have been some testifiers,
01:43:21.344 --> 01:43:25.063
where I have requested
that, a written copy.
01:43:25.063 --> 01:43:27.525
And most of the time,
they're pretty good to do that.
01:43:27.525 --> 01:43:28.743
If they do that to...
01:43:28.743 --> 01:43:31.059
That way that we can
kind of memorialize that,
01:43:31.059 --> 01:43:32.308
if there's something in that testimony
01:43:32.308 --> 01:43:35.094
that I wanted to kind of capture,
01:43:35.094 --> 01:43:37.584
because after every testifier,
01:43:37.584 --> 01:43:39.748
you have the opportunity
to ask questions.
01:43:39.748 --> 01:43:43.836
So, if you do this and, "Hey,
can I get a copy of that?"
01:43:43.836 --> 01:43:45.749
Most of the time they're
pretty good about sending
01:43:45.749 --> 01:43:46.582
that along.
01:43:46.582 --> 01:43:49.367
In fact, they're really
happy to do that.
01:43:49.367 --> 01:43:50.436
Yeah. - Yeah.
01:43:50.436 --> 01:43:52.943
The after the fact is the easier part.
01:43:52.943 --> 01:43:54.816
When you make those requests
01:43:54.816 --> 01:43:57.016
and we can tell em' where
to send it, that's easy.
01:43:57.016 --> 01:43:59.217
I think the challenge is just,
01:43:59.217 --> 01:44:00.837
when you've got a line of people,
01:44:00.837 --> 01:44:03.537
trying to make sure that you have
01:44:03.537 --> 01:44:06.537
and I know you're all very diligent,
01:44:07.673 --> 01:44:08.984
but there are 15 of you.
01:44:08.984 --> 01:44:12.377
And so, all it takes is
for one or two of you,
01:44:12.377 --> 01:44:14.941
for each testifier to
say, I can't find that email
01:44:14.941 --> 01:44:17.712
or can you remind me
who we're talking about?
01:44:17.712 --> 01:44:20.023
Or can you show me which document it is?
01:44:20.023 --> 01:44:24.071
That's gonna make it
difficult for us to keep up with.
01:44:24.071 --> 01:44:24.904
Okay.
01:44:24.904 --> 01:44:25.737
Ms. Bell Metro.
01:44:25.737 --> 01:44:28.495
I agree with you, Mr. Chair,
01:44:28.495 --> 01:44:32.581
about the idea of having
these kinds of files,
01:44:32.581 --> 01:44:34.894
go to a Dropbox, so that the staff
01:44:34.894 --> 01:44:37.381
is not gonna have to go
through all of their email,
01:44:37.381 --> 01:44:39.271
coming at various times.
01:44:39.271 --> 01:44:41.251
And then if we have a zip file
01:44:41.251 --> 01:44:44.538
in which all of those are collected,
01:44:44.538 --> 01:44:48.206
it will be easier for
staff to organize them
01:44:48.206 --> 01:44:49.128
and access them.
01:44:49.128 --> 01:44:51.211
And it could be done all at one time,
01:44:51.211 --> 01:44:54.025
rather than our emails being flooded
01:44:54.025 --> 01:44:58.187
with different attachments
at different times.
01:44:58.187 --> 01:45:01.920
So, I sympathize with staff's desire
01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:04.821
to avoid that kind of complication.
01:45:04.821 --> 01:45:09.525
And maybe this is just
something for future refinement
01:45:09.525 --> 01:45:10.558
of the process.
01:45:10.558 --> 01:45:12.197
I'll let you know, it
is on my to-do list.
01:45:12.197 --> 01:45:13.444
We will work towards that goal.
01:45:13.444 --> 01:45:14.491
Okay, thank you.
01:45:14.491 --> 01:45:17.309
Any other questions on 2.12?
01:45:17.309 --> 01:45:21.054
Any other discussion from two
12 or questions from members?
01:45:21.054 --> 01:45:21.887
All right.
01:45:21.887 --> 01:45:25.621
And I think already did adopt
the staff changes for 2.12-
01:45:25.621 --> 01:45:26.454
(paper rattles)
01:45:26.454 --> 01:45:28.484
Nothing from staff in 2.13?
01:45:28.484 --> 01:45:30.144
Any from members?
01:45:30.144 --> 01:45:32.431
If not, we'll go to three, dot, one.
01:45:32.431 --> 01:45:33.514
Ms. Martinez.
01:45:34.776 --> 01:45:35.609
Yes, sir.
01:45:35.609 --> 01:45:37.004
So, in D...
01:45:37.004 --> 01:45:39.863
So this is related to
reimbursement of expenses,
01:45:39.863 --> 01:45:43.841
just a suggestion to
add ride-share services.
01:45:43.841 --> 01:45:48.758
I do know that members will
use services like Uber and Lyft
01:45:49.734 --> 01:45:52.118
and so, just to make
sure that it's clear that,
01:45:52.118 --> 01:45:56.234
that would be something
that could be reimbursed
01:45:56.234 --> 01:45:59.894
and that where we referenced
receipts for bus and taxi,
01:45:59.894 --> 01:46:03.320
that we also include
ride-share services.
01:46:03.320 --> 01:46:04.286
(paper rattles)
01:46:04.286 --> 01:46:05.119
Okay.
01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:05.952
And I think that's it.
01:46:05.952 --> 01:46:10.952
Can I have a motion for
staff changes in three, dot, one.
01:46:11.485 --> 01:46:16.485
Can I have a motion for staff
changes in three, dot, one.
01:46:16.638 --> 01:46:19.604
Did I hear a motion, Ms. Perez?
01:46:19.604 --> 01:46:22.257
No sir, I was thanking
Monica for (indistinct) that.
01:46:22.257 --> 01:46:23.156
Okay.
01:46:23.156 --> 01:46:25.140
Ms. Melton Malone, do we have a motion?
01:46:25.140 --> 01:46:26.807
Do we have a second?
01:46:28.356 --> 01:46:29.189
Second.
01:46:29.189 --> 01:46:30.648
All right, a motion
and a second.
01:46:30.648 --> 01:46:31.505
That was painful.
01:46:31.505 --> 01:46:32.338
All right.
01:46:32.338 --> 01:46:34.696
(laughing)
01:46:34.696 --> 01:46:39.377
Any other discussion on
section three, point, one?
01:46:39.377 --> 01:46:40.210
All right.
01:46:40.210 --> 01:46:42.026
Is there any objection?
01:46:42.026 --> 01:46:44.323
Hearing none, that carries.
01:46:44.323 --> 01:46:46.990
All right, any others discussion
01:46:48.483 --> 01:46:51.524
or amendment from members in 3.1?
01:46:51.524 --> 01:46:56.288
And the next one from- (paper rattling)
01:46:56.288 --> 01:46:59.238
May be it for staff, correct?
01:46:59.238 --> 01:47:00.071
(indistinct)
01:47:00.071 --> 01:47:02.039
3.2, (indistinct).
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:02.872
3.2.
01:47:04.088 --> 01:47:05.799
Okay, that's not color coded on mine.
01:47:05.799 --> 01:47:07.147
Is it 3.2, B?
01:47:07.147 --> 01:47:07.980
Yes, sir.
01:47:07.980 --> 01:47:08.813
Okay.
01:47:08.813 --> 01:47:10.313
Ms. Martinez, 3.2.
01:47:11.867 --> 01:47:12.700
Yes, sir.
01:47:12.700 --> 01:47:13.606
That's, just, again,
01:47:13.606 --> 01:47:16.305
changing Division of State
Board of Education Support
01:47:16.305 --> 01:47:20.163
to State Board of
Education Support staff.
01:47:20.163 --> 01:47:22.144
Do we have a
motion for that one.
01:47:22.144 --> 01:47:23.853
We have a motion, do we have a second?
01:47:23.853 --> 01:47:25.383
Much better?
01:47:25.383 --> 01:47:28.555
All right, any further discussion?
01:47:28.555 --> 01:47:30.042
Any objection?
01:47:30.042 --> 01:47:32.116
Hearing none, the amendments carry.
01:47:32.116 --> 01:47:34.385
I don't have any color
coded on my... Do I have...
01:47:34.385 --> 01:47:37.040
Is there any other staff in
the rest of the document?
01:47:37.040 --> 01:47:38.207
Let me look.
01:47:39.464 --> 01:47:42.131
(paper rattles)
01:47:53.925 --> 01:47:54.868
All right.
01:47:54.868 --> 01:47:58.406
Any other amendments from
members in section three?
01:47:58.406 --> 01:48:00.823
Any section of section three?
01:48:01.845 --> 01:48:06.595
Is there any from members
in any section of section four?
01:48:09.291 --> 01:48:13.610
Is there any from members
from any section of section five?
01:48:13.610 --> 01:48:14.443
Yes, Mr. Chairman.
01:48:14.443 --> 01:48:15.901
Mr. Hickman.
01:48:15.901 --> 01:48:18.007
Section five, point, four.
01:48:18.007 --> 01:48:22.007
I would make a motion
to add after requirements.
01:48:23.610 --> 01:48:25.593
The Commissioner will provide a markup
01:48:25.593 --> 01:48:28.676
of any such corrections to the Board.
01:48:29.567 --> 01:48:32.317
All right, do we have a second?
01:48:33.378 --> 01:48:34.503
Second.
01:48:34.503 --> 01:48:35.447
A motion a second.
01:48:35.447 --> 01:48:37.607
Mr. Hickman, you wanna
speak to your motion?
01:48:37.607 --> 01:48:41.072
Just that I don't think
we currently see those,
01:48:41.072 --> 01:48:44.199
so, just to kind of
complete the process,
01:48:44.199 --> 01:48:47.866
we would see the final
version as corrected.
01:48:49.353 --> 01:48:53.180
Ms. Martinez, do you
have any thoughts on that?
01:48:53.180 --> 01:48:55.478
This is something
that happens so rarely.
01:48:55.478 --> 01:48:58.288
I mean, it's usually,
we left out a word, 'the,'
01:48:58.288 --> 01:49:01.538
but we can certainly send you a copy if
01:49:03.596 --> 01:49:06.092
and when that occurred.
01:49:06.092 --> 01:49:06.925
All right.
01:49:06.925 --> 01:49:10.053
Any further discussion on
the proposed amendment?
01:49:10.053 --> 01:49:10.908
(indistinct)
01:49:10.908 --> 01:49:12.640
Ms. Bell Metro.
01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:15.592
I would just suggest that,
that'd be an electronic copy,
01:49:15.592 --> 01:49:18.354
rather than a hard copy.
01:49:18.354 --> 01:49:19.484
It is.
01:49:19.484 --> 01:49:23.817
So, let me just, so the new
members are aware, we...
01:49:26.637 --> 01:49:31.637
A good example, earlier this
week or maybe over the weekend,
01:49:32.367 --> 01:49:33.580
I can no longer remember.
01:49:33.580 --> 01:49:37.269
I sent you all an email
with the final rule text
01:49:37.269 --> 01:49:39.003
for the health education standards.
01:49:39.003 --> 01:49:41.410
So, that is something
that we do send out,
01:49:41.410 --> 01:49:42.871
electronically, via email.
01:49:42.871 --> 01:49:45.505
We do try to provide
you with notifications,
01:49:45.505 --> 01:49:49.713
after we have done our
work to clean up your rules
01:49:49.713 --> 01:49:51.215
so that you have copies of that.
01:49:51.215 --> 01:49:54.860
You also get them in
the... In your minutes.
01:49:54.860 --> 01:49:58.242
And so, those typically
come in with the agenda book.
01:49:58.242 --> 01:50:02.306
This is specifically, every
once in a while we find,
01:50:02.306 --> 01:50:04.038
maybe a cross-reference that was wrong
01:50:04.038 --> 01:50:05.253
or that sort of thing.
01:50:05.253 --> 01:50:09.440
And so, we will
certainly send an email if,
01:50:09.440 --> 01:50:11.143
like I said, in those rare instances
01:50:11.143 --> 01:50:15.143
where we find a mistake
that we need to correct.
01:50:16.344 --> 01:50:17.177
All right.
01:50:17.177 --> 01:50:18.143
So, I think we've got
a motion, a second.
01:50:18.143 --> 01:50:20.986
Is there any other discussion
on the amendment?
01:50:20.986 --> 01:50:23.538
Is there any objections?
01:50:23.538 --> 01:50:25.671
Hearing none, the amendment carries.
01:50:25.671 --> 01:50:29.838
Any other amendments
from members in section five?
01:50:31.977 --> 01:50:36.060
Any other amendments
from members in section six?
01:50:39.208 --> 01:50:40.932
Mr. Hickman.
01:50:40.932 --> 01:50:42.477
I had made a request of staff.
01:50:42.477 --> 01:50:46.981
We have six, has this
committee of investment advisors.
01:50:46.981 --> 01:50:51.129
I don't know if it's appropriate
to add a work groups
01:50:51.129 --> 01:50:54.572
and content advisors to the
rules, of how they're appointed,
01:50:54.572 --> 01:50:56.872
what their powers are?
01:50:56.872 --> 01:50:58.372
Who appoints them?
01:50:59.233 --> 01:51:00.582
Actually, Ms. Martinez and I,
01:51:00.582 --> 01:51:04.474
had a pretty lengthy
discussion about the...
01:51:04.474 --> 01:51:05.644
We have our...
01:51:05.644 --> 01:51:08.759
It is a TEKS review process document,
01:51:08.759 --> 01:51:10.236
the large color coded document.
01:51:10.236 --> 01:51:12.144
We'll probably get, again,
later today, I assume,
01:51:12.144 --> 01:51:14.070
if not, it's on the website.
01:51:14.070 --> 01:51:17.343
Which outlines the TEKS review process.
01:51:17.343 --> 01:51:21.400
What's you're talking
about is mostly in there.
01:51:21.400 --> 01:51:24.486
So, our discussion is from one hand
01:51:24.486 --> 01:51:26.761
to have that where you're proposing it,
01:51:26.761 --> 01:51:30.892
where it's clear how
the selection process is.
01:51:30.892 --> 01:51:33.807
On the other hand, is that
if there's ever any changes,
01:51:33.807 --> 01:51:36.808
the Board makes that
document in the future
01:51:36.808 --> 01:51:38.153
that we have to go back to remember
01:51:38.153 --> 01:51:39.632
to change our Board operating procedures
01:51:39.632 --> 01:51:42.194
and vice versa, to change that document.
01:51:42.194 --> 01:51:44.960
The discussion, I'm gonna
turn it over to Ms. Martinez,
01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:47.758
to give her thoughts also on this.
01:51:47.758 --> 01:51:50.428
But then if we do that it's very clearly
01:51:50.428 --> 01:51:54.493
the selection process,
as opposed to the actions
01:51:54.493 --> 01:51:55.506
they go through.
01:51:55.506 --> 01:51:56.923
But Ms. Martinez.
01:51:59.271 --> 01:52:00.104
Yes, sir.
01:52:00.104 --> 01:52:02.055
And I apologize, Mr. Hickman,
01:52:02.055 --> 01:52:04.486
that I didn't send you
anything in advance.
01:52:04.486 --> 01:52:08.569
I'm gonna send some
language to Kay, momentarily.
01:52:10.924 --> 01:52:13.905
Should you all wish
to include something?
01:52:13.905 --> 01:52:17.988
So, I think the process
that Dr. Ellis referenced
01:52:19.576 --> 01:52:21.183
is one that we went through
01:52:21.183 --> 01:52:22.796
with new members during orientation
01:52:22.796 --> 01:52:26.171
that all members
should be familiar with.
01:52:26.171 --> 01:52:28.339
That is your official process,
01:52:28.339 --> 01:52:32.756
where you identify all
things related to text review.
01:52:34.948 --> 01:52:36.426
So, I think...
01:52:36.426 --> 01:52:38.417
I just wanna make sure that you don't...
01:52:38.417 --> 01:52:40.481
And so, currently in that process,
01:52:40.481 --> 01:52:43.912
you identify how content
advisors will be selected.
01:52:43.912 --> 01:52:46.374
If you want to add that
your operating roles,
01:52:46.374 --> 01:52:48.262
I would strongly recommend
01:52:48.262 --> 01:52:50.133
that you remove it from your process,
01:52:50.133 --> 01:52:53.112
because if you have that
in two different places,
01:52:53.112 --> 01:52:55.167
and you go through
this kind of an exercise,
01:52:55.167 --> 01:52:56.653
where you want to amend,
01:52:56.653 --> 01:52:59.254
you will have to amend both
documents at the same time
01:52:59.254 --> 01:53:02.243
or you run the risk of
having contradictory language
01:53:02.243 --> 01:53:04.243
into official documents.
01:53:06.556 --> 01:53:11.029
The potential benefit
of keeping that language
01:53:11.029 --> 01:53:13.689
in your process, is
that, that's the document
01:53:13.689 --> 01:53:15.041
that is on the website.
01:53:15.041 --> 01:53:18.014
It's very prominent,
related to texts review,
01:53:18.014 --> 01:53:21.393
where members of the public
can see what your process is.
01:53:21.393 --> 01:53:23.854
I don't know that very
many members of the public,
01:53:23.854 --> 01:53:25.795
spend the time with your operating rules
01:53:25.795 --> 01:53:27.104
that we have spent today.
01:53:27.104 --> 01:53:29.123
And would know to look
at your operating rules
01:53:29.123 --> 01:53:32.095
to understand how that works.
01:53:32.095 --> 01:53:36.345
So, the document that I
just tried to email to Kay,
01:53:38.243 --> 01:53:40.696
lifts the language
about content advisors
01:53:40.696 --> 01:53:44.567
from the process and
you don't have that,
01:53:44.567 --> 01:53:45.825
currently, on your agenda.
01:53:45.825 --> 01:53:49.182
So, if you want to add
that to the operating rules,
01:53:49.182 --> 01:53:51.874
then I think we need to
bring back your process
01:53:51.874 --> 01:53:55.457
and have that removed
at your next meeting.
01:53:55.457 --> 01:53:56.290
(indistinct)
01:53:56.290 --> 01:53:57.718
What we don't currently have
01:53:57.718 --> 01:54:02.468
is anything formally documented
about work group members.
01:54:03.862 --> 01:54:07.363
And so, we have attempted
to draft some language
01:54:07.363 --> 01:54:10.780
that would explain how
work group members
01:54:12.356 --> 01:54:16.689
or the Board's role in the
selection of work groups.
01:54:18.177 --> 01:54:20.777
The one thing that I wanted
to make sure everyone
01:54:20.777 --> 01:54:25.774
is aware of here is that
once we receive applications
01:54:25.774 --> 01:54:29.174
and either an approval or
rejection from Board members,
01:54:29.174 --> 01:54:33.507
staff has then the authority
to build the committees
01:54:34.619 --> 01:54:35.869
on your behalf.
01:54:37.057 --> 01:54:40.132
And that is, yet again, a
very complicated process.
01:54:40.132 --> 01:54:42.367
You're, I'm sure, going to be very tired
01:54:42.367 --> 01:54:44.468
by the end of today of
hearing me talk about,
01:54:44.468 --> 01:54:46.891
how time consuming and complicated many
01:54:46.891 --> 01:54:50.016
of these processes are, but they are.
01:54:50.016 --> 01:54:52.939
There's a lot of staff work
that goes on behind the scenes.
01:54:52.939 --> 01:54:55.095
And I do wanna be careful, again,
01:54:55.095 --> 01:54:57.366
that we don't have
rules that are so narrow,
01:54:57.366 --> 01:55:00.759
that we are not able to
build committees for you.
01:55:00.759 --> 01:55:03.926
And sometimes we run into some issues.
01:55:04.794 --> 01:55:07.455
So, historically every
time that this has come up,
01:55:07.455 --> 01:55:10.705
I think previous Boards have agreed to,
01:55:11.913 --> 01:55:14.916
once you have indicated
that members have your...
01:55:14.916 --> 01:55:17.923
Individuals have your
approval to be considered
01:55:17.923 --> 01:55:20.570
that you allow staff the discretion
01:55:20.570 --> 01:55:23.853
to build the best possible
committees for you.
01:55:23.853 --> 01:55:25.430
So, I think those are just a few things
01:55:25.430 --> 01:55:29.111
that I would ask, that you keep in mind.
01:55:29.111 --> 01:55:31.343
Should you move forward
with adding language
01:55:31.343 --> 01:55:33.452
to your operating rules?
01:55:33.452 --> 01:55:34.574
Yeah, I think...
01:55:34.574 --> 01:55:36.841
I appreciate you
bringing this up, 'cause...
01:55:36.841 --> 01:55:39.287
I had a scenario when I,
as chair, during the health,
01:55:39.287 --> 01:55:41.843
when a member missed,
there're very specific deadlines
01:55:41.843 --> 01:55:43.428
that staffs gives us to make sure
01:55:43.428 --> 01:55:46.600
that they make their decision
01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:50.074
on a potential work group member.
01:55:50.074 --> 01:55:52.543
And we, as a Board have
come up with a process
01:55:52.543 --> 01:55:57.213
that if we as members don't
reply back to that response,
01:55:57.213 --> 01:55:59.588
then that member is
automatically approved
01:55:59.588 --> 01:56:01.605
in so much of the fact that oftentimes,
01:56:01.605 --> 01:56:05.125
Board members were delayed
in getting that information back.
01:56:05.125 --> 01:56:08.284
That delayed entire
proclamations and adoptions,
01:56:08.284 --> 01:56:09.634
because of the delays.
01:56:09.634 --> 01:56:12.825
So, it's imperative on us to
get that in at the right point.
01:56:12.825 --> 01:56:16.651
I think there's some need
for some clarification on that,
01:56:16.651 --> 01:56:19.072
but I think what the
discussion for the Board is,
01:56:19.072 --> 01:56:21.760
do we want that in our
Board operating procedure,
01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:25.510
possibly here or keeping
that in one document
01:56:26.350 --> 01:56:28.396
in our procedure in TEKS review.
01:56:28.396 --> 01:56:29.229
And if we did that,
01:56:29.229 --> 01:56:32.333
that would come back in
another meeting to further clarify
01:56:32.333 --> 01:56:33.389
and I may be wrong.
01:56:33.389 --> 01:56:36.067
I don't think it's even like
on the content advisors,
01:56:36.067 --> 01:56:40.694
where it specifically lays
out that it's a recommendation
01:56:40.694 --> 01:56:43.221
of two members, that may
be in there and I missed it.
01:56:43.221 --> 01:56:44.054
Yeah, it-
01:56:44.054 --> 01:56:45.123
(indistinct)
01:56:45.123 --> 01:56:45.956
Right.
01:56:45.956 --> 01:56:47.424
And so, I'm just gonna ask
01:56:47.424 --> 01:56:49.658
if the folks in the
booth could help us out
01:56:49.658 --> 01:56:51.819
and make sure that Board
members can see case...
01:56:51.819 --> 01:56:54.428
The language on case screen.
01:56:54.428 --> 01:56:57.845
The current language
in the process says,
01:56:58.858 --> 01:57:01.799
up to nine content
advisors may be designated.
01:57:01.799 --> 01:57:05.095
It talks about, for the
foundation subjects
01:57:05.095 --> 01:57:08.363
that two of those individuals
come on recommendation
01:57:08.363 --> 01:57:13.363
from or appointment by the
Commissioner of Higher Education.
01:57:13.821 --> 01:57:18.041
So, that sort of, then
defaults to seven.
01:57:18.041 --> 01:57:21.986
It has been, I think, understood
that you need two members,
01:57:21.986 --> 01:57:25.057
but that is something that
we could certainly clarify,
01:57:25.057 --> 01:57:28.084
whether it's in the text
review process or in the rules.
01:57:28.084 --> 01:57:31.001
And so, this language that you see,
01:57:34.740 --> 01:57:37.368
up on the screen right
now, does specifically say,
01:57:37.368 --> 01:57:38.875
that they must be designated
01:57:38.875 --> 01:57:40.459
by two State Board of Education members.
01:57:40.459 --> 01:57:41.292
Okay.
01:57:41.292 --> 01:57:42.501
So, again, I think the question is,
01:57:42.501 --> 01:57:44.382
before I call, Mr. Maynard,
is, do we wanna keep this
01:57:44.382 --> 01:57:45.641
on the Board operating procedure
01:57:45.641 --> 01:57:48.453
or take that up and further clarify
01:57:48.453 --> 01:57:49.818
in our TEKS process later?
01:57:49.818 --> 01:57:51.436
Mr. Maynard, and then Mr. Hickman.
01:57:51.436 --> 01:57:52.463
Yeah.
01:57:52.463 --> 01:57:56.568
And just having presided
over an organization,
01:57:56.568 --> 01:57:58.288
not managing an organization
01:57:58.288 --> 01:58:02.538
that had volumes and
volumes of rules and policies,
01:58:05.319 --> 01:58:06.989
one of the things that
we really tried to do
01:58:06.989 --> 01:58:09.116
is try to make sure that
we had them in one place
01:58:09.116 --> 01:58:10.723
and one place only.
01:58:10.723 --> 01:58:12.873
Because, you know that, invariably,
01:58:12.873 --> 01:58:17.013
if you made an edit or an
amendment in one place,
01:58:17.013 --> 01:58:19.492
is that frequently than you wound up
01:58:19.492 --> 01:58:21.976
with conflicting documents.
01:58:21.976 --> 01:58:23.280
I think our challenge here is,
01:58:23.280 --> 01:58:26.571
is the fact that currently in our...
01:58:26.571 --> 01:58:30.566
And how we look at our TEKS
adoption process and all that,
01:58:30.566 --> 01:58:34.233
is that, if something
comes up that requires
01:58:35.914 --> 01:58:39.895
or that where we feel compelled
to make a change in that,
01:58:39.895 --> 01:58:41.509
we can do that.
01:58:41.509 --> 01:58:44.434
But as it relates to
our operating rules,
01:58:44.434 --> 01:58:48.373
we only open our operating
rules every two years.
01:58:48.373 --> 01:58:51.723
And so, I think that by adding
this to our operating rules,
01:58:51.723 --> 01:58:54.470
we actually limit our
ability to edit those things
01:58:54.470 --> 01:58:56.042
and to make those changes.
01:58:56.042 --> 01:58:58.900
And therefore that I would
speak against the notion
01:58:58.900 --> 01:59:01.104
of putting these in our operating rules,
01:59:01.104 --> 01:59:04.026
just because of the nature
and the cycle that we use,
01:59:04.026 --> 01:59:05.824
that we keep ourselves to
01:59:05.824 --> 01:59:07.759
and not opening up the operating rules,
01:59:07.759 --> 01:59:11.677
except for every two years
and keep them where they are,
01:59:11.677 --> 01:59:13.529
and keep them in one place.
01:59:13.529 --> 01:59:14.362
Okay.
01:59:14.362 --> 01:59:16.674
And actually, I'm told we
don't have the motion yet.
01:59:16.674 --> 01:59:17.822
I'm ready to make a motion.
01:59:17.822 --> 01:59:18.655
What's that?
01:59:18.655 --> 01:59:19.488
I'm ready to make the motion.
01:59:19.488 --> 01:59:20.349
Okay, go ahead
and make the motion.
01:59:20.349 --> 01:59:21.858
I think to address
those concerns,
01:59:21.858 --> 01:59:25.082
I would not suggest
putting them in two places,
01:59:25.082 --> 01:59:28.846
but maybe ask, Kay, if we can
make a cross-reference here,
01:59:28.846 --> 01:59:30.960
that content advisors will be selected
01:59:30.960 --> 01:59:34.106
in accordance with the
TEKS review document.
01:59:34.106 --> 01:59:36.172
And where would
you like that placed, sir?
01:59:36.172 --> 01:59:37.005
6.1, C.
01:59:38.564 --> 01:59:39.770
6.1, C.
01:59:39.770 --> 01:59:42.050
I can do that, okay.
01:59:42.050 --> 01:59:43.270
All right, we have a motion.
01:59:43.270 --> 01:59:44.108
Do we have a second?
01:59:44.108 --> 01:59:45.586
Ms. Hardy?
01:59:45.586 --> 01:59:49.640
All right, any discussion from members?
01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:51.906
I'm sorry, can you repeat
that again, content advisors-
01:59:51.906 --> 01:59:53.287
I'm open to any changes,
01:59:53.287 --> 01:59:55.169
but content advisors will be selected
01:59:55.169 --> 01:59:58.519
in accordance with the
TEKS review document.
01:59:58.519 --> 02:00:01.040
Or TEKS review process document.
02:00:01.040 --> 02:00:02.573
Whatever that document's called,
02:00:02.573 --> 02:00:05.073
I don't know the name of that.
02:00:06.441 --> 02:00:07.304
And am I correct in
understanding, really,
02:00:07.304 --> 02:00:10.148
the process for work group members
02:00:10.148 --> 02:00:13.546
are also in the same place on there
02:00:13.546 --> 02:00:15.400
that it might be also content advisors
02:00:15.400 --> 02:00:17.119
and work group members.
02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:18.643
Yeah, so, we don't, currently,
02:00:18.643 --> 02:00:20.500
have work group members in your process,
02:00:20.500 --> 02:00:22.359
but I think that, that's
something that we,
02:00:22.359 --> 02:00:26.200
likely, would add whenever
we open up the process again.
02:00:26.200 --> 02:00:27.684
And so, if you wanted to go ahead
02:00:27.684 --> 02:00:31.080
and cross-reference
both here then we'll-
02:00:31.080 --> 02:00:32.353
With the intention that is-
02:00:32.353 --> 02:00:33.186
Yeah.
02:00:33.186 --> 02:00:35.408
So, if we could add
both in- Okay.
02:00:35.408 --> 02:00:36.241
And is the name
of the document,
02:00:36.241 --> 02:00:38.839
TEKS review process document?
02:00:38.839 --> 02:00:41.422
It is, I'm sorry, one moment.
02:00:44.465 --> 02:00:45.644
Okay.
02:00:45.644 --> 02:00:47.137
Yes, TEKS review process.
02:00:47.137 --> 02:00:47.970
Okay.
02:00:50.148 --> 02:00:50.981
So, we have the motions-
02:00:50.981 --> 02:00:53.320
TEKS review and
revision process.
02:00:53.320 --> 02:00:54.320
Thank you.
02:00:56.564 --> 02:00:57.397
Motion.
02:00:57.397 --> 02:00:59.028
Do we have a second?
02:00:59.028 --> 02:01:00.488
Ms. Hardy.
02:01:00.488 --> 02:01:02.405
Any further discussion?
02:01:03.651 --> 02:01:05.826
Any comments from staff, we good?
02:01:05.826 --> 02:01:06.675
Okay?
02:01:06.675 --> 02:01:07.842
Any objection?
02:01:09.289 --> 02:01:11.089
Hearing none, the amendment carries.
02:01:11.089 --> 02:01:13.659
Is there any other in
Chapter... Section six?
02:01:14.937 --> 02:01:16.486
Ms. Bell Moren.
02:01:16.486 --> 02:01:20.486
I would recommend
disambiguating the CIA there
02:01:21.795 --> 02:01:26.620
and change it to IAC,
Investment Advisors Committee.
02:01:26.620 --> 02:01:30.516
Because, of course,
if people Google, CIA,
02:01:30.516 --> 02:01:32.853
they're gonna come up with
Central Intelligence Agency.
02:01:32.853 --> 02:01:33.686
(laughing)
02:01:33.686 --> 02:01:38.345
Whereas, IAC, has no other
organization associated with it
02:01:38.345 --> 02:01:41.595
and it will avoid confusion, and jokes.
02:01:42.483 --> 02:01:44.984
Well, I do like your term,
(indistinct), what was it?
02:01:44.984 --> 02:01:45.888
Disambiguate.
02:01:45.888 --> 02:01:47.043
Disambiguate, I like that one.
02:01:47.043 --> 02:01:47.876
(laughing)
02:01:47.876 --> 02:01:48.709
Yeah.
02:01:48.709 --> 02:01:50.582
It's English teacher words.
02:01:50.582 --> 02:01:51.638
(laughing)
02:01:51.638 --> 02:01:53.483
Is that referenced?
02:01:53.483 --> 02:01:56.909
if anyone on staff knows
somewhere else in our statute
02:01:56.909 --> 02:01:58.387
or anywhere that
talks, 'cause I think it...
02:01:58.387 --> 02:02:01.282
Content Investment
Advisors, I do believe...
02:02:01.282 --> 02:02:04.017
Tom, I know this is
in statute somewhere.
02:02:04.017 --> 02:02:06.066
So, that might be our...
02:02:06.066 --> 02:02:09.480
I think to your point, we
could just simply spell out
02:02:09.480 --> 02:02:11.048
what CIA is.
02:02:11.048 --> 02:02:14.604
Well, I think if you call it
Investment Advisors Committee
02:02:14.604 --> 02:02:18.113
it will not interfere with the places
02:02:18.113 --> 02:02:20.587
where it's called the Committee
of Investment Advisors,
02:02:20.587 --> 02:02:23.422
but I would just recommend, using...
02:02:23.422 --> 02:02:26.648
If they're gonna use
the CIA, in parenthesis,
02:02:26.648 --> 02:02:31.231
it's unfortunate and
unfortunate choice to get used to.
02:02:36.449 --> 02:02:37.282
Mr. Chairman-
02:02:37.282 --> 02:02:38.115
Mr. Maynard.
02:02:38.115 --> 02:02:38.948
Is the...
02:02:38.948 --> 02:02:42.054
And I don't know the
answer in the PSF staff
02:02:42.054 --> 02:02:45.221
and I had a conversation
about this yesterday.
02:02:45.221 --> 02:02:46.253
But the...
02:02:46.253 --> 02:02:49.507
But I guess this is a question for legal
02:02:49.507 --> 02:02:52.338
is the committee on investment advisors?
02:02:52.338 --> 02:02:54.755
Is that in statute somewhere?
02:03:01.174 --> 02:03:03.257
And just, while he looks,
02:03:06.321 --> 02:03:08.029
so, this arrangement
02:03:08.029 --> 02:03:09.872
with the Committee
of Investment Advisors
02:03:09.872 --> 02:03:13.110
was something that was
actually more common in...
02:03:13.110 --> 02:03:14.777
Years ago when we...
02:03:15.872 --> 02:03:17.441
It's my understanding, at least,
02:03:17.441 --> 02:03:19.618
that the way that the staff recalled it
02:03:19.618 --> 02:03:23.368
is that when we engaged
in advisor in any PC,
02:03:24.512 --> 02:03:26.995
it sort of alleviated
the need to have this,
02:03:26.995 --> 02:03:31.041
because then the Board
had a company and advisor,
02:03:31.041 --> 02:03:32.997
working directly for them.
02:03:32.997 --> 02:03:36.038
And rather than everybody,
finding their own advisor
02:03:36.038 --> 02:03:37.026
or something like that.
02:03:37.026 --> 02:03:40.989
That's at least my understanding
of the history of that.
02:03:40.989 --> 02:03:42.822
But I was just curious
02:03:43.676 --> 02:03:46.926
if that language is statutory language?
02:03:48.076 --> 02:03:50.995
I just made a quick
check of Chapter 43
02:03:50.995 --> 02:03:53.895
and the Committee Investment Advisors,
02:03:53.895 --> 02:03:58.234
does not appear in Chapter
43 of the education code.
02:03:58.234 --> 02:03:59.067
Okay.
02:03:59.067 --> 02:03:59.900
So, we would...
02:03:59.900 --> 02:04:01.209
By making that change,
we would not run a foul
02:04:01.209 --> 02:04:03.790
of any statutory language.
02:04:03.790 --> 02:04:04.954
Yeah.
02:04:04.954 --> 02:04:06.042
(chuckles)
02:04:06.042 --> 02:04:07.564
We might have to
do, but we also have...
02:04:07.564 --> 02:04:11.552
I don't know if our
rules have that term in it
02:04:11.552 --> 02:04:15.205
and we might want
to... Well, at least have...
02:04:15.205 --> 02:04:16.260
At least next time we visit the rules,
02:04:16.260 --> 02:04:17.253
we could change the name.
02:04:17.253 --> 02:04:18.118
Right.
02:04:18.118 --> 02:04:20.250
We can also do a
little further search,
02:04:20.250 --> 02:04:21.414
in between now and Friday.
02:04:21.414 --> 02:04:23.364
And if we did come up with a conflict,
02:04:23.364 --> 02:04:25.258
we could change back anything
02:04:25.258 --> 02:04:27.373
that was needed to be
changed back on Friday.
02:04:27.373 --> 02:04:30.244
So, I don't think I
got an official motion.
02:04:30.244 --> 02:04:31.754
The motion is to change,
02:04:31.754 --> 02:04:34.822
Committee of Investment
Advisors, parentheses,
02:04:34.822 --> 02:04:36.989
CIA, close parentheses to,
02:04:39.186 --> 02:04:43.186
Investment Advisors
Committee, parentheses, IAC,
02:04:45.182 --> 02:04:46.729
close parentheses.
02:04:46.729 --> 02:04:48.611
And make the subsequent changes
02:04:48.611 --> 02:04:51.817
from the initials of CIA
in the next two sections.
02:04:51.817 --> 02:04:52.650
Exactly.
02:04:52.650 --> 02:04:53.483
From CIA-
02:04:53.483 --> 02:04:54.650
Through out.
02:04:58.019 --> 02:04:59.140
All right, so we
have the motion.
02:04:59.140 --> 02:05:00.606
Do we have a second?
02:05:00.606 --> 02:05:03.461
Miss Audrey, Dr. Audrey
Young is a second.
02:05:03.461 --> 02:05:05.378
Any further discussion?
02:05:07.197 --> 02:05:08.348
Is there any objection?
02:05:08.348 --> 02:05:10.042
Mr- (cross talk)
02:05:10.042 --> 02:05:10.875
Just a quick point.
02:05:10.875 --> 02:05:13.392
It is in Chapter 33 of, I think TAC.
02:05:13.392 --> 02:05:15.815
We're talking about the
permanent school fund.
02:05:15.815 --> 02:05:17.246
I don't know if that's
something we can change
02:05:17.246 --> 02:05:19.506
or we need to change.
02:05:19.506 --> 02:05:22.006
Just unsolicited legal advice.
02:05:22.969 --> 02:05:26.159
Well, you can change your
rules, but we'd have to post it
02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:27.819
and go for all the rulemaking process
02:05:27.819 --> 02:05:28.861
to change the rule.
02:05:28.861 --> 02:05:30.603
Change the rule.
02:05:30.603 --> 02:05:32.226
So it would be?
02:05:32.226 --> 02:05:33.506
We changed it to IAC,
02:05:33.506 --> 02:05:37.171
it is in conflict with a
rule somewhere else.
02:05:37.171 --> 02:05:42.039
Well, Mr. Hickman says,
so, I haven't seen it, but...
02:05:42.039 --> 02:05:43.789
What is the citation?
02:05:45.159 --> 02:05:49.826
Chapter 33, point,
one, (indistinct).
02:06:04.757 --> 02:06:09.757
Yeah, 33, point five,
D, four (indistinct),
02:06:10.438 --> 02:06:15.438
member of (indistinct)
investment (indistinct).
02:06:16.713 --> 02:06:19.084
Use the acronym, CIA?
02:06:19.084 --> 02:06:20.446
It does not use the acronym,
02:06:20.446 --> 02:06:23.395
it just says (indistinct)
and service providers
02:06:23.395 --> 02:06:26.157
are the following person.
02:06:26.157 --> 02:06:28.991
And then in that, it says
a member of the cometee
02:06:28.991 --> 02:06:30.908
of investment advisors.
02:06:32.928 --> 02:06:35.549
In that case, it would
simply be regular...
02:06:35.549 --> 02:06:39.805
It could be considered as
regular language, not as a...
02:06:39.805 --> 02:06:43.472
An official repeated
title as it is in this.
02:06:47.786 --> 02:06:48.619
If it is in parenthesis.
02:06:48.619 --> 02:06:50.755
It does show the
title, it's in capitals.
02:06:50.755 --> 02:06:53.584
It just does not have
the CIA in parentheses,
02:06:53.584 --> 02:06:57.650
because it is, I believe the
only reference in that section.
02:06:57.650 --> 02:06:59.134
So, we don't usually use an acronym,
02:06:59.134 --> 02:07:02.464
if it's not repeated in a rule.
02:07:02.464 --> 02:07:03.297
Right.
02:07:03.297 --> 02:07:05.193
So, to help you get to
your end point, is it reason...
02:07:05.193 --> 02:07:08.828
Is another possibility
just to strike all the times
02:07:08.828 --> 02:07:11.155
that CIA is mentioned
and just spell out,
02:07:11.155 --> 02:07:13.529
Committee of Investment Advisors,
02:07:13.529 --> 02:07:16.196
throughout section 6.1, A and B.
02:07:19.578 --> 02:07:20.578
So, sorry.
02:07:23.618 --> 02:07:26.951
So, I also see a reference to members...
02:07:27.881 --> 02:07:29.767
Appointing members to the SBOE,
02:07:29.767 --> 02:07:33.085
Investment Advisory Committee.
02:07:33.085 --> 02:07:35.289
And that is in 33 point 20.
02:07:35.289 --> 02:07:38.455
So your rule if it- (laughing)
02:07:38.455 --> 02:07:39.675
talking about the same rule-
02:07:39.675 --> 02:07:42.592
may not be using the same language.
02:07:48.087 --> 02:07:49.678
All right, Ms. Kay,
and Mr. Moscow,
02:07:49.678 --> 02:07:54.428
what's the easiest way to
sort through our conflict here?
02:07:55.877 --> 02:07:58.664
(indistinct)
02:07:58.664 --> 02:08:02.997
Well, we can always knock
out the CIA abbreviation
02:08:07.914 --> 02:08:11.497
and then if we really
wanna make the change
02:08:13.282 --> 02:08:15.934
to title the group, we
have to change the rule.
02:08:15.934 --> 02:08:18.050
So, we need to go for the
whole rule making process
02:08:18.050 --> 02:08:18.967
to do that.
02:08:20.361 --> 02:08:21.257
Mr. Chairman.
02:08:21.257 --> 02:08:23.090
Yes, sir, Mr. Manad.
02:08:24.478 --> 02:08:27.350
There are lots of
conflicts and statutes,
02:08:27.350 --> 02:08:29.628
and rules, and things,
and this is probably,
02:08:29.628 --> 02:08:33.306
just sort of an issue of nomenclature.
02:08:33.306 --> 02:08:36.208
Chapter 33 is something
that in fact, we've got up...
02:08:36.208 --> 02:08:38.689
Something up on the
second reading final adoption,
02:08:38.689 --> 02:08:39.583
but it wouldn't...
02:08:39.583 --> 02:08:44.166
None of our amendments
that we have up this week are...
02:08:45.187 --> 02:08:47.222
Would be germane to this.
02:08:47.222 --> 02:08:50.623
So, I don't think
that we would really...
02:08:50.623 --> 02:08:52.190
Even though when we've got it open,
02:08:52.190 --> 02:08:53.708
I don't know that we
can actually do that,
02:08:53.708 --> 02:08:56.548
because that's not really the
amendments that we're posting,
02:08:56.548 --> 02:09:01.548
but we do look at that, the
committee and the Board,
02:09:01.601 --> 02:09:04.626
does look at Chapter
33 fairly frequently
02:09:04.626 --> 02:09:06.127
and we can certainly direct staff,
02:09:06.127 --> 02:09:07.779
that the next time that, that is opened,
02:09:07.779 --> 02:09:09.878
that we can make that correction.
02:09:09.878 --> 02:09:10.942
Ms. Kay, can
tell me if I'm wrong,
02:09:10.942 --> 02:09:12.621
but I understand that as
long as the Chapter's open,
02:09:12.621 --> 02:09:16.670
we could make any
changes within that Chapter?
02:09:16.670 --> 02:09:18.397
(indistinct)
02:09:18.397 --> 02:09:19.230
Yeah, no.
02:09:19.230 --> 02:09:21.720
We've already posted with
the changes we're going to make
02:09:21.720 --> 02:09:22.941
and we have to make...
02:09:22.941 --> 02:09:26.000
Any amendments have to be germane
02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:28.522
to the changes that are already posted.
02:09:28.522 --> 02:09:29.496
But in the near future,
02:09:29.496 --> 02:09:30.742
you're saying that we'll likely-
02:09:30.742 --> 02:09:32.316
We can make that change.
02:09:32.316 --> 02:09:34.001
Yeah, we can direct the
staff to make that change
02:09:34.001 --> 02:09:35.168
in Chapter 33.
02:09:36.004 --> 02:09:36.962
All right.
02:09:36.962 --> 02:09:38.725
(indistinct)
02:09:38.725 --> 02:09:39.757
I just wanna add,
02:09:39.757 --> 02:09:41.974
this is in no way a substantive change.
02:09:41.974 --> 02:09:45.224
It's almost sort of grammatical change.
02:09:47.095 --> 02:09:47.928
Right.
02:09:47.928 --> 02:09:49.688
Rather than a
substantive change.
02:09:49.688 --> 02:09:52.083
We're not changing the
name of the committee,
02:09:52.083 --> 02:09:53.653
you're changing the arrangement
02:09:53.653 --> 02:09:56.486
of the the words in the committee.
02:09:58.031 --> 02:09:58.864
Okay.
02:09:58.864 --> 02:09:59.697
So, we still have your amendment.
02:09:59.697 --> 02:10:00.530
We have that seconded.
02:10:00.530 --> 02:10:02.699
We have discussion?
02:10:02.699 --> 02:10:05.366
Is there any further discussion?
02:10:06.900 --> 02:10:08.277
Looks like we're gonna
be in a little dilemma,
02:10:08.277 --> 02:10:11.327
either way we go here, so...
02:10:11.327 --> 02:10:14.224
All those in favor of the amendment,
02:10:14.224 --> 02:10:16.391
show by raising your hand.
02:10:29.916 --> 02:10:31.242
Looks like it's five.
02:10:31.242 --> 02:10:34.477
All those opposed
by the same sign.
02:10:34.477 --> 02:10:37.394
One, two, three,
four, five, six,
02:10:38.438 --> 02:10:39.521
seven, eight.
02:10:42.305 --> 02:10:44.925
All right, so we get to
keep our CIA badge and-
02:10:44.925 --> 02:10:47.338
(laughing)
02:10:47.338 --> 02:10:51.042
All right, is there any other
amendments in section six?
02:10:51.042 --> 02:10:51.965
(paper rattles)
02:10:51.965 --> 02:10:53.743
Is there any other
amendments to document?
02:10:53.743 --> 02:10:54.743
Mr. Maynard.
02:10:55.972 --> 02:11:00.356
Mr. Chairman, I've
submitted and passed this out,
02:11:00.356 --> 02:11:03.107
a proposed Chapter seven.
02:11:03.107 --> 02:11:06.296
Nominations for
gubernatorial appointments
02:11:06.296 --> 02:11:09.296
and I move adoption of the language.
02:11:12.500 --> 02:11:14.316
And then I'd like to
speak to the motion.
02:11:14.316 --> 02:11:15.491
Motion and a
second, Mr. Maynard,
02:11:15.491 --> 02:11:17.004
you wanna speak to your motion?
02:11:17.004 --> 02:11:17.837
Yes.
02:11:17.837 --> 02:11:20.487
Well, one of these is a feature
02:11:20.487 --> 02:11:23.485
that is result of the
last legislative session
02:11:23.485 --> 02:11:26.315
in the last legislative session.
02:11:26.315 --> 02:11:31.315
As a result of the recommendations
of the sunset Commission
02:11:31.424 --> 02:11:32.569
there were additional members,
02:11:32.569 --> 02:11:35.843
put on the State Board of
Education and pursuant to the law
02:11:35.843 --> 02:11:37.951
that those appointments would be made
02:11:37.951 --> 02:11:42.294
from lists submitted by the
State Board of Education.
02:11:42.294 --> 02:11:45.845
There is also a list that is part
02:11:45.845 --> 02:11:47.959
of the teacher retirement system
02:11:47.959 --> 02:11:49.601
that essentially that
there are two members
02:11:49.601 --> 02:11:53.034
that are appointed in
almost exactly the same way.
02:11:53.034 --> 02:11:56.233
And we haven't really had
any rules related to that,
02:11:56.233 --> 02:11:59.337
but now that we have
two of these appointments,
02:11:59.337 --> 02:12:00.871
I thought it prudent to go ahead
02:12:00.871 --> 02:12:04.214
and to put some rule text in there,
02:12:04.214 --> 02:12:05.863
and to create a little bit of structure,
02:12:05.863 --> 02:12:10.149
to prop up a little bit of
structure around this process.
02:12:10.149 --> 02:12:13.132
And so the text of the rule
does a couple of things.
02:12:13.132 --> 02:12:16.715
It certainly directs
the chair of the Board
02:12:17.898 --> 02:12:19.292
or his, or her designee
02:12:19.292 --> 02:12:22.329
to work with the Governor's
appointments office
02:12:22.329 --> 02:12:25.802
in terms of establishing
timelines and things like that.
02:12:25.802 --> 02:12:28.977
But I think the most
important thing that this does
02:12:28.977 --> 02:12:33.176
is that it delegates at
least a bit of that process
02:12:33.176 --> 02:12:36.509
into the committee on the school finance
02:12:37.854 --> 02:12:39.816
and the permanent school fund.
02:12:39.816 --> 02:12:41.659
And the reason for that is this,
02:12:41.659 --> 02:12:44.853
is that first of all, obviously
the school land Board
02:12:44.853 --> 02:12:47.256
is actually part of the
permanent school fund.
02:12:47.256 --> 02:12:51.250
And so, it stands to reason
that the permanent school fund
02:12:51.250 --> 02:12:53.576
then would tackle this.
02:12:53.576 --> 02:12:57.147
But the other is that if
you go look at their criteria
02:12:57.147 --> 02:13:01.362
that's given to us for the
TRS Board of Trustees,
02:13:01.362 --> 02:13:05.007
it is almost exactly what the PSF does,
02:13:05.007 --> 02:13:07.005
in terms of investment
and that sort of thing.
02:13:07.005 --> 02:13:08.295
And then the fact of the matter is,
02:13:08.295 --> 02:13:10.551
is that the PSF committee
and the PSF staff,
02:13:10.551 --> 02:13:12.841
in terms of evaluating
candidates would be,
02:13:12.841 --> 02:13:15.961
well, the perfect people
to actually do that.
02:13:15.961 --> 02:13:20.436
And so, what the language
does then is that it directs
02:13:20.436 --> 02:13:23.524
the committee then to create a...
02:13:23.524 --> 02:13:27.218
An evaluation process
and then the committee
02:13:27.218 --> 02:13:31.551
to recommend a slate or a
list of proposed nominees,
02:13:32.603 --> 02:13:35.196
and then provides
opportunity for the state Board
02:13:35.196 --> 02:13:37.420
then to amend that list.
02:13:37.420 --> 02:13:41.830
Now, the reason that
when we say that evaluate
02:13:41.830 --> 02:13:43.908
that we have an impartial third party
02:13:43.908 --> 02:13:47.175
which could be the staff
to evaluate the candidates,
02:13:47.175 --> 02:13:48.521
that's not saying that the staff
02:13:48.521 --> 02:13:50.437
is going to select the candidates,
02:13:50.437 --> 02:13:52.653
but, frequently, particularly,
02:13:52.653 --> 02:13:56.295
as it relates to investment
expertise, the staff,
02:13:56.295 --> 02:13:58.717
well, there's no saying,
it takes one to know one.
02:13:58.717 --> 02:14:02.274
And so, if they are in
fact investment people
02:14:02.274 --> 02:14:04.482
and we're evaluating
potential investment people,
02:14:04.482 --> 02:14:06.903
they would be the ones
that could look at that
02:14:06.903 --> 02:14:08.409
and basically provide an evaluation
02:14:08.409 --> 02:14:11.006
of a person's qualifications.
02:14:11.006 --> 02:14:12.993
It's not much different than the...
02:14:12.993 --> 02:14:17.543
Frequently, that if we
have a proposed contract
02:14:17.543 --> 02:14:20.487
or a bid process the
staff also evaluates that,
02:14:20.487 --> 02:14:23.180
comes back to the Board or the committee
02:14:23.180 --> 02:14:24.839
and with their score, but ultimately,
02:14:24.839 --> 02:14:27.028
it's up to the committee
to make that decision.
02:14:27.028 --> 02:14:31.445
And in this case, the
committee would take the advice
02:14:33.053 --> 02:14:36.508
of the staff or whoever
the impartial person is.
02:14:36.508 --> 02:14:40.383
And then based on those
recommendations, make a decision
02:14:40.383 --> 02:14:42.825
and then make a
recommendation to the Board,
02:14:42.825 --> 02:14:47.492
the Board at that point, then
has an option to amend it,
02:14:48.584 --> 02:14:50.151
as they see fit.
02:14:50.151 --> 02:14:51.984
The rule also, this...
02:14:53.035 --> 02:14:56.801
The rule text here is not
intended to be exhaustive,
02:14:56.801 --> 02:14:59.135
because there's a
lot of potentially that...
02:14:59.135 --> 02:15:01.153
There's a lot of other procedure policy
02:15:01.153 --> 02:15:03.741
and procedure that
could be related to that.
02:15:03.741 --> 02:15:06.484
In fact, we did adopt
some in this last go round
02:15:06.484 --> 02:15:08.127
on school land Board.
02:15:08.127 --> 02:15:10.378
And so, the last clause
there, seven, point, five,
02:15:10.378 --> 02:15:12.088
the Board may adopt additional rules
02:15:12.088 --> 02:15:13.974
and procedures related
to the selection process.
02:15:13.974 --> 02:15:17.724
In fact, we would expect
that to be the case.
02:15:19.108 --> 02:15:19.941
All right.
02:15:19.941 --> 02:15:21.452
So, we have the motion,
it was seconded, correct?
02:15:21.452 --> 02:15:24.952
Okay, any further
discussion on this item?
02:15:26.583 --> 02:15:27.417
Mr. Chairman.
02:15:27.417 --> 02:15:28.584
Mr. Hickman.
02:15:29.861 --> 02:15:31.857
I still like friendly
amendments.
02:15:31.857 --> 02:15:32.690
(laughing)
02:15:32.690 --> 02:15:35.570
The second 7.4, I would propose to amend
02:15:35.570 --> 02:15:37.053
to seven, point, five.
02:15:37.053 --> 02:15:40.136
And then in the new 7.5, there's A...
02:15:41.214 --> 02:15:43.271
There's two A's, so the
second a was starting
02:15:43.271 --> 02:15:46.319
with each member shall
be entitled to change to B.
02:15:46.319 --> 02:15:49.600
So then renumbering those B, C, D.
02:15:49.600 --> 02:15:50.433
Okay.
02:15:50.433 --> 02:15:51.266
And those are technical
02:15:51.266 --> 02:15:53.561
and conforming editing staff will make.
02:15:53.561 --> 02:15:55.055
Okay, so it's unneeded.
02:15:55.055 --> 02:15:55.888
Okay.
02:15:55.888 --> 02:15:59.236
And if I may, I was
stuttering on the computer.
02:15:59.236 --> 02:16:01.486
(laughing)
02:16:05.570 --> 02:16:07.050
All right, any
further discussions
02:16:07.050 --> 02:16:11.133
on Mr. Maynard's amendment
for new Chapter seven?
02:16:12.674 --> 02:16:14.591
Is there any objection?
02:16:16.130 --> 02:16:18.295
Hearing none, the
amendments carry.
02:16:18.295 --> 02:16:19.128
Mr. Maynard.
02:16:19.128 --> 02:16:20.588
Mr. Chairman, if
I may then is that
02:16:20.588 --> 02:16:24.838
if we can go backwards,
now that we've adopted that
02:16:25.988 --> 02:16:29.071
and I would then also then...
02:16:29.071 --> 02:16:32.879
All the way back into...
To one, point, two.
02:16:34.807 --> 02:16:37.887
Under the duties of the
committees is to add...
02:16:37.887 --> 02:16:39.806
Under the committee on school finance,
02:16:39.806 --> 02:16:43.175
permanent school
fund, and that as a review
02:16:43.175 --> 02:16:46.615
of nominations for
gubernatorial appointments,
02:16:46.615 --> 02:16:50.146
teacher retirement system
and school land Board,
02:16:50.146 --> 02:16:52.596
as one of the duties under
the permanent school fund,
02:16:52.596 --> 02:16:55.228
under the duties then, because
we've adopted that language.
02:16:55.228 --> 02:16:56.342
Okay.
02:16:56.342 --> 02:16:57.412
The motion and a second.
02:16:57.412 --> 02:16:59.077
Did you get that language Ms. Kay?
02:16:59.077 --> 02:17:00.910
I did not, can
you say it again.
02:17:00.910 --> 02:17:05.910
Review of nominations for
gubernatorial appointments,
02:17:06.320 --> 02:17:11.237
colon, teacher retirement
system, comma, school land Board.
02:17:13.981 --> 02:17:16.981
Gubernatorial
appointments, comma.
02:17:18.922 --> 02:17:22.163
(indistinct)
02:17:22.163 --> 02:17:26.663
Coma and teacher retirement
system, school land Board.
02:17:30.172 --> 02:17:32.435
Is that correct, Mr. Maynard?
02:17:32.435 --> 02:17:34.175
Is that correct on the screen?
02:17:34.175 --> 02:17:35.675
Coma after that?
02:17:37.088 --> 02:17:37.921
I think it's just...
02:17:37.921 --> 02:17:38.754
It's not...
02:17:38.754 --> 02:17:40.644
It's just teacher retirement
system, not teachers...
02:17:40.644 --> 02:17:41.477
Yeah.
02:17:44.842 --> 02:17:45.675
Okay.
02:17:45.675 --> 02:17:48.478
So, just TRS and
school land Board, right?
02:17:48.478 --> 02:17:49.311
Mm-hmm.
02:17:49.311 --> 02:17:50.144
Okay.
02:17:52.120 --> 02:17:52.953
All right.
02:17:52.953 --> 02:17:54.098
So, we have a motion and a second.
02:17:54.098 --> 02:17:54.931
Any further discussion?
02:17:54.931 --> 02:17:55.764
Mr. Chair.
02:17:55.764 --> 02:17:56.597
Mr. Cortez.
02:17:56.597 --> 02:17:57.430
Yeah.
02:18:00.680 --> 02:18:02.868
Why not put it in the
Committee of the Full Board,
02:18:02.868 --> 02:18:04.739
as opposed to the committee of...
02:18:04.739 --> 02:18:06.138
Why not give all of us the opportunity
02:18:06.138 --> 02:18:07.270
to have that discussion,
02:18:07.270 --> 02:18:11.644
rather than just limit it
to that one committee?
02:18:11.644 --> 02:18:12.972
Mr. Maynard, you wanna respond?
02:18:12.972 --> 02:18:15.775
Yeah, I think that probably,
02:18:15.775 --> 02:18:18.751
like in the case of what we...
02:18:18.751 --> 02:18:21.251
If we let history kind of be our guide,
02:18:21.251 --> 02:18:24.013
is that as it turns out is that,
02:18:24.013 --> 02:18:25.182
we had that process as last time.
02:18:25.182 --> 02:18:26.172
And actually we just had,
02:18:26.172 --> 02:18:30.988
just exactly enough
candidates to actually fill the list.
02:18:30.988 --> 02:18:34.309
And so, I would suggest that if we had
02:18:34.309 --> 02:18:36.325
a big pool of candidates
and it looked like
02:18:36.325 --> 02:18:38.397
it was going to be a big discussion,
02:18:38.397 --> 02:18:41.121
the chair currently has the option then
02:18:41.121 --> 02:18:43.154
of removing anything that's
on a committee schedule,
02:18:43.154 --> 02:18:44.693
into the Full Board.
02:18:44.693 --> 02:18:49.693
And so, in certain instances
is that may be appropriate.
02:18:50.170 --> 02:18:53.685
I think if you assign it
to the committee as it is,
02:18:53.685 --> 02:18:56.774
but then if it looks like it's
gonna be big discussion
02:18:56.774 --> 02:18:58.411
then certainly in...
02:18:58.411 --> 02:19:02.505
Mr. Chairman, any member
of the Board can request that,
02:19:02.505 --> 02:19:03.767
is that correct?
02:19:03.767 --> 02:19:05.772
So, that would be a case that,
02:19:05.772 --> 02:19:07.453
well, if it's not gonna be a big deal,
02:19:07.453 --> 02:19:08.651
we can leave it in the committee,
02:19:08.651 --> 02:19:11.523
but if it is, we can move
it out into the Full Board.
02:19:11.523 --> 02:19:14.329
Because that mechanism already exists.
02:19:14.329 --> 02:19:15.354
Yeah.
02:19:15.354 --> 02:19:17.827
I mean, I guess, I would speak against
02:19:17.827 --> 02:19:19.438
where you wanna place it,
02:19:19.438 --> 02:19:21.989
'cause I think a
conversation like that...
02:19:21.989 --> 02:19:25.989
If each of us get an
opportunity to submit names
02:19:28.049 --> 02:19:30.285
for consideration, then
it shouldn't just be left
02:19:30.285 --> 02:19:31.339
in the committee of five members.
02:19:31.339 --> 02:19:33.426
It should be left to the
Committee of the Full Board
02:19:33.426 --> 02:19:37.259
so that, I may like one
of my colleagues picks
02:19:38.595 --> 02:19:40.105
and once I've seen their qualifications,
02:19:40.105 --> 02:19:41.277
but if when you came out,
02:19:41.277 --> 02:19:44.163
you only came out
with an abbreviated list,
02:19:44.163 --> 02:19:46.368
then I don't know what
you all passed up on.
02:19:46.368 --> 02:19:50.388
And I might've disagreed
with your your analysis
02:19:50.388 --> 02:19:52.638
on who you guys wanna recommend.
02:19:52.638 --> 02:19:54.482
Or who that committee
wanted to recommend.
02:19:54.482 --> 02:19:56.815
So, I think that's something
02:19:57.837 --> 02:19:59.871
that the Committee of the
Full Board should deal with,
02:19:59.871 --> 02:20:02.320
as opposed to the...
02:20:02.320 --> 02:20:03.996
With all due
respect, Mr. Cortez,
02:20:03.996 --> 02:20:08.442
we've already adopted rule
language in motion before
02:20:08.442 --> 02:20:10.545
that assigned it to the PSF committee.
02:20:10.545 --> 02:20:12.303
We've already opined on that.
02:20:12.303 --> 02:20:15.497
We've already made
that, all we're doing now,
02:20:15.497 --> 02:20:17.905
is we're basically making
this section compliant
02:20:17.905 --> 02:20:20.759
with section seven, we've adopted.
02:20:20.759 --> 02:20:22.465
So, Mr. Cortez
for your discussion,
02:20:22.465 --> 02:20:26.382
you're rising an
opposition, but that's just...
02:20:27.221 --> 02:20:28.683
That's being placed, are you...
02:20:28.683 --> 02:20:30.650
Is there an amendment to the amendment
02:20:30.650 --> 02:20:33.154
to move it to another section?
02:20:33.154 --> 02:20:34.734
Yeah, to the Committee
of the Full Board?
02:20:34.734 --> 02:20:35.567
So, you're...
02:20:35.567 --> 02:20:37.172
Go ahead and make your
amendment to the amendment.
02:20:37.172 --> 02:20:38.747
Yeah, I think, we would all...
02:20:38.747 --> 02:20:39.580
We should...
02:20:39.580 --> 02:20:42.747
We all deserve the right to hear about
02:20:45.071 --> 02:20:47.822
the different candidates
that are gonna be
02:20:47.822 --> 02:20:49.186
at some point, consider it.
02:20:49.186 --> 02:20:50.513
And I know these things are...
02:20:50.513 --> 02:20:52.287
Don't come up all the time.
02:20:52.287 --> 02:20:53.754
It's something that's gonna come up,
02:20:53.754 --> 02:20:56.421
what, every other year possibly.
02:20:57.493 --> 02:21:00.400
And these appointments
are multi-year appointments.
02:21:00.400 --> 02:21:03.419
So, we may not deal
with this situation often,
02:21:03.419 --> 02:21:05.254
but when we do, I think it's something
02:21:05.254 --> 02:21:08.425
that the entirety of the
Board should be dealing with,
02:21:08.425 --> 02:21:09.668
not just one committee.
02:21:09.668 --> 02:21:14.418
Do we have a second for the
amendment to the amendment?
02:21:19.724 --> 02:21:20.954
Seeing no second.
02:21:20.954 --> 02:21:23.954
The amendment to the amendment is...
02:21:25.128 --> 02:21:25.961
What's the word?
02:21:25.961 --> 02:21:27.010
Will not be considered.
02:21:27.010 --> 02:21:28.039
Will not be...
02:21:28.039 --> 02:21:29.119
Will not be considered.
02:21:29.119 --> 02:21:30.399
Will not be considered.
02:21:30.399 --> 02:21:33.393
So we're back to
Mr. Maynard's amendment,
02:21:33.393 --> 02:21:35.310
any further discussion?
02:21:36.908 --> 02:21:38.825
Is there any objection?
02:21:39.831 --> 02:21:42.539
Hearing none, the amendment carries.
02:21:42.539 --> 02:21:46.372
Is there any other
amendments to the document?
02:21:48.202 --> 02:21:49.738
I would point out I'd said earlier
02:21:49.738 --> 02:21:51.843
that if there was an issue on the CIA,
02:21:51.843 --> 02:21:53.753
that we could come back before Friday,
02:21:53.753 --> 02:21:56.237
I was reminded by a very wise individual
02:21:56.237 --> 02:21:58.889
that we are actually
meeting currently in...
02:21:58.889 --> 02:22:00.196
Not in the Committee of the Full Board.
02:22:00.196 --> 02:22:02.709
This is a meeting of the
State Board of Education.
02:22:02.709 --> 02:22:04.974
So this is actually final
adoption of this rule.
02:22:04.974 --> 02:22:08.615
This will not come back on
Friday, because of that fact.
02:22:08.615 --> 02:22:09.821
So this is a complete.
02:22:09.821 --> 02:22:11.410
When we finished this
item that's the completion
02:22:11.410 --> 02:22:12.301
of this item.
02:22:12.301 --> 02:22:15.134
This will not come back on Friday.
02:22:16.984 --> 02:22:17.817
All right.
02:22:17.817 --> 02:22:19.984
So, my next point is to...
02:22:23.206 --> 02:22:25.088
Are there any
further amendments-
02:22:25.088 --> 02:22:26.869
Are there any
further amendments?
02:22:26.869 --> 02:22:27.864
Question.
02:22:27.864 --> 02:22:28.697
Mr. Hickman.
02:22:28.697 --> 02:22:32.314
On that point, if there's
any errors in what we just did,
02:22:32.314 --> 02:22:34.617
do we have another
chance to look at that?
02:22:34.617 --> 02:22:38.239
Or does staff make informing amendments
02:22:38.239 --> 02:22:40.820
and kind of fix it for us?
02:22:40.820 --> 02:22:42.426
Staff, typically, will go in
02:22:42.426 --> 02:22:45.977
and make any technical
amendments that would not be...
02:22:45.977 --> 02:22:48.497
Make substantive changes.
02:22:48.497 --> 02:22:49.330
Okay.
02:22:51.280 --> 02:22:54.710
All right, any other
amendment to the document?
02:22:54.710 --> 02:22:55.543
Okay.
02:22:55.543 --> 02:22:57.645
So, we're back to the main amendment.
02:22:57.645 --> 02:22:58.601
Right.
02:22:58.601 --> 02:23:00.896
No, you handle all
of the amendments-
02:23:00.896 --> 02:23:01.729
Okay.
02:23:01.729 --> 02:23:03.968
When it's not
presented as a revision,
02:23:03.968 --> 02:23:06.887
Mr. Chairman, you were through
and he can take the blame.
02:23:06.887 --> 02:23:08.555
(laughing)
02:23:08.555 --> 02:23:09.756
We have finished this item,
02:23:09.756 --> 02:23:11.798
and I have had a hint
by our parliamentarian
02:23:11.798 --> 02:23:13.056
that it's break time.
02:23:13.056 --> 02:23:14.045
(laughing)
02:23:14.045 --> 02:23:17.118
So, we'll take a... For
everyone's knowledge,
02:23:17.118 --> 02:23:20.131
we'll take a relatively
short restroom break.
02:23:20.131 --> 02:23:22.950
I do plan to come back
and do our next item,
02:23:22.950 --> 02:23:27.152
which I believe is...
Well, let me ask you this.
02:23:27.152 --> 02:23:29.438
Would, y'all like to
take a lunch break now
02:23:29.438 --> 02:23:31.368
or would you like to...
02:23:31.368 --> 02:23:32.878
Let me try to think what we have next?
02:23:32.878 --> 02:23:36.491
Is it the committee
assignments, is that it?
02:23:36.491 --> 02:23:41.324
Election of officers and then
committee of appointments.
02:23:42.455 --> 02:23:44.750
Chairman if it's possible
for you to get through that,
02:23:44.750 --> 02:23:46.838
it would be helpful for us
to have your lunch break,
02:23:46.838 --> 02:23:47.671
to get set up (indistinct).
02:23:47.671 --> 02:23:48.504
Okay.
02:23:48.504 --> 02:23:49.472
Let's move on...
02:23:49.472 --> 02:23:52.240
Let's take a quick three
to five minute break
02:23:52.240 --> 02:23:56.407
and then we'll come back
and continue the process.
02:24:00.741 --> 02:24:03.068
Members we are gonna
move to item number three,
02:24:03.068 --> 02:24:07.350
which is election of the State
Board of Education officers.
02:24:07.350 --> 02:24:11.267
And this is on agenda
exhibit on SPOE page six.
02:24:12.302 --> 02:24:16.003
And I spoke with our
parliamentarian through this process.
02:24:16.003 --> 02:24:20.670
So, I'm gonna recall the
recollection of our discussion
02:24:20.670 --> 02:24:23.399
and she can correct
me if I'm wrong with that.
02:24:23.399 --> 02:24:27.482
So we will begin with
nominations for vice chair.
02:24:29.577 --> 02:24:31.995
We will take all nominations.
02:24:31.995 --> 02:24:35.285
At that point in time,
we will take an upper,
02:24:35.285 --> 02:24:37.618
down vote on each nomination
02:24:40.307 --> 02:24:42.654
in the order that they are nominated.
02:24:42.654 --> 02:24:43.487
Yes sir.
02:24:43.487 --> 02:24:44.751
Following the election...
02:24:44.751 --> 02:24:48.860
And what it takes is a majority
of those present in voting.
02:24:48.860 --> 02:24:49.693
Yes sir.
02:24:49.693 --> 02:24:50.526
Okay.
02:24:50.526 --> 02:24:54.443
After completion of the
election of vice chair,
02:24:55.501 --> 02:24:58.918
we will move to
nominations of secretary.
02:25:01.808 --> 02:25:03.808
Do you have the language
02:25:05.094 --> 02:25:07.514
that we had talked about just recently.
02:25:07.514 --> 02:25:08.398
Texted it to you.
02:25:08.398 --> 02:25:09.231
Texted it.
02:25:09.231 --> 02:25:10.064
Okay.
02:25:10.064 --> 02:25:10.957
Here on my phone.
02:25:10.957 --> 02:25:12.962
All right, any questions on the process
02:25:12.962 --> 02:25:17.545
of electing a vice chair and
secretary before we start?
02:25:18.623 --> 02:25:19.586
Alright, so we will begin
02:25:19.586 --> 02:25:22.467
with the election of vice chair
02:25:22.467 --> 02:25:24.789
and the floor is open for nominations.
02:25:24.789 --> 02:25:25.872
Dr. Robinson.
02:25:27.860 --> 02:25:29.023
I nominate...
02:25:29.023 --> 02:25:33.637
I'd like to nominate member
Little for office of vice chair.
02:25:33.637 --> 02:25:37.516
We have a nomination of
Ms. Pam Little for vice chair.
02:25:37.516 --> 02:25:39.916
Do we have a second?
02:25:39.916 --> 02:25:40.749
I have a motion-
02:25:40.749 --> 02:25:41.863
Nominations don't
require a second.
02:25:41.863 --> 02:25:43.081
Okay.
02:25:43.081 --> 02:25:44.246
Nominations do not require a second.
02:25:44.246 --> 02:25:45.496
So we have a...
02:25:46.427 --> 02:25:47.260
We have that.
02:25:47.260 --> 02:25:48.673
Mr. Allen.
02:25:48.673 --> 02:25:52.825
I would like to nominate
member Georgina Perez.
02:25:52.825 --> 02:25:53.658
Okay.
02:25:53.658 --> 02:25:57.325
We have a nomination
for Ms. Georgina Perez.
02:25:58.699 --> 02:25:59.699
Mr. Maynard.
02:26:01.157 --> 02:26:04.907
Mr. Chairman, I moved
the nomination cease.
02:26:05.939 --> 02:26:07.455
(indistinct)
02:26:07.455 --> 02:26:08.522
Is there any objection?
02:26:08.522 --> 02:26:10.605
Is there any objection?
02:26:11.671 --> 02:26:14.759
Hearing none, the
nominations are closed.
02:26:14.759 --> 02:26:16.285
So, we will take that up
02:26:16.285 --> 02:26:17.909
in the order that they're nominated.
02:26:17.909 --> 02:26:21.576
So the first vote will
be for Ms. Pam Little
02:26:24.330 --> 02:26:26.655
to be elected as vice chair.
02:26:26.655 --> 02:26:30.322
And I will ask all
those in favor to show...
02:26:31.717 --> 02:26:32.720
Mr. Hickman.
02:26:32.720 --> 02:26:34.361
Point of inquiry.
02:26:34.361 --> 02:26:36.416
What if both receive a majority
02:26:36.416 --> 02:26:37.857
or neither receives a majority?
02:26:37.857 --> 02:26:39.847
We're not saying pick A or pick B.
02:26:39.847 --> 02:26:41.732
You're saying if you
pick A raise your hand
02:26:41.732 --> 02:26:43.191
and if you pick B raise your hand?
02:26:43.191 --> 02:26:44.024
No.
02:26:44.024 --> 02:26:46.889
They're taken in the
order of nominations
02:26:46.889 --> 02:26:48.058
in the first one...
02:26:48.058 --> 02:26:50.918
If the first one receives a majority
02:26:50.918 --> 02:26:52.921
then the process is closed, correct?
02:26:52.921 --> 02:26:53.918
That is correct.
02:26:53.918 --> 02:26:55.418
Okay, thank you.
02:26:57.734 --> 02:26:58.567
Okay.
02:26:58.567 --> 02:27:00.099
So, we are now for the...
02:27:00.099 --> 02:27:02.221
Voting on Ms. Pam Little as vice chair.
02:27:02.221 --> 02:27:04.196
I'd ask all those in
favor of Ms. Little,
02:27:04.196 --> 02:27:06.363
show by raising your hand.
02:27:11.893 --> 02:27:13.060
Eight, nine.
02:27:21.017 --> 02:27:21.850
Nine.
02:27:21.850 --> 02:27:22.873
We've check Ms. Perez Diaz.
02:27:22.873 --> 02:27:24.456
Yep.
02:27:24.456 --> 02:27:25.789
Okay.
02:27:25.789 --> 02:27:30.073
So, there is a majority
in favor of Ms. Little.
02:27:30.073 --> 02:27:32.875
If there is no objection,
we will not take a note...
02:27:32.875 --> 02:27:36.906
A negative vote and
declare Ms. Little, the winner.
02:27:36.906 --> 02:27:39.173
Is there any objection?
02:27:39.173 --> 02:27:42.132
Hearing none, Ms.
Little is elected vice-chair.
02:27:42.132 --> 02:27:43.790
Congratulations, Ms. Little.
02:27:43.790 --> 02:27:46.714
(applauding)
02:27:46.714 --> 02:27:47.740
Mr...
02:27:47.740 --> 02:27:51.482
Okay, so now we will move
on to the election of secretary.
02:27:51.482 --> 02:27:53.297
Mr. Maynard.
02:27:53.297 --> 02:27:54.396
Mr. Chairman...
02:27:54.396 --> 02:27:58.788
Mr. Chairman it is my
honor to nominate my friend
02:27:58.788 --> 02:28:02.788
and passionate warrior
for Texas school children
02:28:03.707 --> 02:28:06.808
for secretary of the
Boards or Georgina Perez.
02:28:06.808 --> 02:28:07.641
Okay.
02:28:07.641 --> 02:28:08.474
Okay.
02:28:08.474 --> 02:28:09.307
We have a motion from
Ms. Georgina Perez.
02:28:09.307 --> 02:28:11.328
Is there any other nominations
02:28:11.328 --> 02:28:13.828
for the position of secretary?
02:28:18.802 --> 02:28:19.635
Okay.
02:28:19.635 --> 02:28:22.093
Do we have a motion
to close nominations?
02:28:22.093 --> 02:28:23.484
Mr. Maynard.
02:28:23.484 --> 02:28:26.032
Mr. Chairman, I moved
the nominations cease.
02:28:26.032 --> 02:28:27.615
Is there objection?
02:28:28.682 --> 02:28:29.515
All right.
02:28:29.515 --> 02:28:31.392
Nominations are closed.
02:28:31.392 --> 02:28:36.392
So, with only one nominee,
can I just do without objection?
02:28:36.862 --> 02:28:39.308
Is there any objection to the election
02:28:39.308 --> 02:28:41.756
of Ms. Georgina Perez as secretary
02:28:41.756 --> 02:28:45.516
of the Texas State Board of Education?
02:28:45.516 --> 02:28:47.138
You're not objecting, are you Ms. Perez?
02:28:47.138 --> 02:28:47.971
(laughing)
02:28:47.971 --> 02:28:49.392
Okay.
02:28:49.392 --> 02:28:53.898
I heard some things over
there, so I'm just clarifying.
02:28:53.898 --> 02:28:55.749
Just stay quiet for a bit.
02:28:55.749 --> 02:28:59.462
All right, without objection,
Ms. Perez, congratulations.
02:28:59.462 --> 02:29:00.791
You're newly elected.
02:29:00.791 --> 02:29:01.624
(laughing)
02:29:01.624 --> 02:29:02.943
Continuing to serve in the role
02:29:02.943 --> 02:29:05.088
of secretary of the Texas
State Board of Education.
02:29:05.088 --> 02:29:05.921
Thank you.
02:29:05.921 --> 02:29:06.754
Mr. Chairman
02:29:06.754 --> 02:29:07.650
Mr. Maynard.
02:29:07.650 --> 02:29:08.674
I'm just curious is that,
02:29:08.674 --> 02:29:11.689
I believe that each of
the successful candidates
02:29:11.689 --> 02:29:14.582
are to have acceptance
speeches, is that correct?
02:29:14.582 --> 02:29:16.605
(laughing)
02:29:16.605 --> 02:29:18.436
Limited to-
02:29:18.436 --> 02:29:20.895
(indistinct)
02:29:20.895 --> 02:29:21.728
Yeah.
02:29:21.728 --> 02:29:23.308
We will limit them
to 30 minutes or less,
02:29:23.308 --> 02:29:24.225
how's that?
02:29:25.458 --> 02:29:27.292
(indistinct)
02:29:27.292 --> 02:29:28.125
Yeah.
02:29:28.125 --> 02:29:29.505
Like Ms. Little,
02:29:29.505 --> 02:29:30.338
just gave her acceptance
speech right there.
02:29:30.338 --> 02:29:31.171
That was-
02:29:32.888 --> 02:29:33.844
(laughing)
02:29:33.844 --> 02:29:34.757
All right.
02:29:34.757 --> 02:29:36.798
So, now that concludes that item
02:29:36.798 --> 02:29:39.881
and we will move to item number four,
02:29:40.968 --> 02:29:43.463
which is announcement
of membership committees.
02:29:43.463 --> 02:29:46.765
Ms. Martinez is handing
around a blank sheet of paper.
02:29:46.765 --> 02:29:47.983
I believe it's blank.
02:29:47.983 --> 02:29:48.816
(indistinct)
02:29:48.816 --> 02:29:49.649
Okay.
02:29:49.649 --> 02:29:51.246
So, it has some lines on it.
02:29:51.246 --> 02:29:54.232
What we're asking each
member is to write your name
02:29:54.232 --> 02:29:58.315
and then list in preference,
one, two, and three.
02:29:59.284 --> 02:30:01.700
The three committees in order
02:30:01.700 --> 02:30:04.283
of your preference to serve on.
02:30:06.391 --> 02:30:08.808
And once those are completed,
02:30:10.153 --> 02:30:12.644
we will have staff come
around and pick it up
02:30:12.644 --> 02:30:15.394
at that point in time, the new...
02:30:16.394 --> 02:30:17.227
Ms. Little...
02:30:17.227 --> 02:30:21.483
Ms. Perez and myself
will meet in the public view
02:30:21.483 --> 02:30:24.650
to consider the membership committees.
02:30:25.533 --> 02:30:28.840
In the meantime, we have an
announcement from Ms. Martinez,
02:30:28.840 --> 02:30:32.305
very special announcement
that we'll take up here
02:30:32.305 --> 02:30:33.764
and I'm doing this right now,
02:30:33.764 --> 02:30:35.563
because as we have some dead time,
02:30:35.563 --> 02:30:36.890
while we set up the committees,
02:30:36.890 --> 02:30:39.473
we're going to use that wisely.
02:30:42.157 --> 02:30:46.338
So, I'm absolutely
thrilled to let you all know
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that I have finally managed
to get us to a place,
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where we were able to
hire a new executive director
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for the State Board of
Education Support office,
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Ms. Yolanda Walker.
02:30:58.548 --> 02:31:03.094
Who's here with me this
morning, or this afternoon.
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Some of you may recognize,
Yolanda, or her name.
02:31:06.626 --> 02:31:09.543
She is currently employed with TEA,
02:31:10.988 --> 02:31:13.238
in Fiscal Compliance, is...
02:31:14.724 --> 02:31:16.840
Financial Compilance.
02:31:16.840 --> 02:31:18.890
Financial Comliance,
with, David Marks.
02:31:18.890 --> 02:31:19.962
Those of you on CSF...
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PSF often see David in
those committee meetings.
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So, Yolanda, has been at TEA,
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about the same amount of
time as I have, since 2004.
02:31:30.991 --> 02:31:33.792
And I'm just really, really excited,
02:31:33.792 --> 02:31:37.875
that she has agreed to
move from her current role
02:31:39.420 --> 02:31:42.217
into the SBOE support role.
02:31:42.217 --> 02:31:45.517
So, she will be officially
starting in a few more weeks,
02:31:45.517 --> 02:31:50.290
but David, graciously
allowed for us to borrow her,
02:31:50.290 --> 02:31:51.500
so that we could make sure
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that everyone had a
chance to meet her this week.
02:31:53.928 --> 02:31:56.654
And while committee work is happening,
02:31:56.654 --> 02:31:59.268
as Dr. Ellis mentioned,
we'll try and walk around
02:31:59.268 --> 02:32:02.855
and say a more personal
hello to everybody,
02:32:02.855 --> 02:32:05.241
but please join me in welcoming,
02:32:05.241 --> 02:32:07.890
Yolanda, to her new role.
02:32:07.890 --> 02:32:10.307
(applauding)
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Okay.
02:32:14.943 --> 02:32:16.795
Yolanda, thank you very
much for being with us.
02:32:16.795 --> 02:32:18.844
And we're excited to
have you here with us.
02:32:18.844 --> 02:32:19.762
So, we will...
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The three members that we discussed,
02:32:21.225 --> 02:32:23.457
We'll, I think, kind of
congregate over here
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and we'll allow you some
time to visit with the Board.
02:32:27.409 --> 02:32:29.826
(indistinct)
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Yeah-
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(soft music)
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Just brings (indistinct).
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♪ Let it shine ♪
02:34:54.745 --> 02:34:57.162
(soft music)
02:35:11.627 --> 02:35:13.877
(laughing)
02:40:51.264 --> 02:40:53.847
(gravel bangs)
02:40:55.256 --> 02:40:56.744
(laughing)
02:40:56.744 --> 02:40:59.071
All right, members,
I'll call you back to order
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and we'll make the
announcement for the committees.
02:41:03.277 --> 02:41:06.369
And then we'll see if there's
any other further business
02:41:06.369 --> 02:41:09.086
on the State Board of Education agenda.
02:41:09.086 --> 02:41:10.853
And then we will wrap up after that.
02:41:10.853 --> 02:41:12.485
Ms. Davis, did you have anything else,
02:41:12.485 --> 02:41:14.746
you wanted to bring forward?
02:41:14.746 --> 02:41:15.804
No, we'll look at that the-
02:41:15.804 --> 02:41:16.637
Okay.
02:41:17.692 --> 02:41:18.525
All right.
02:41:18.525 --> 02:41:20.463
So, Ms. Little,
02:41:20.463 --> 02:41:24.880
Ms. Perez and myself went
through all the preferences
02:41:26.344 --> 02:41:30.131
and so I'm announcing
on the PSF Committee,
02:41:30.131 --> 02:41:32.174
it's a member Allen, member Ellis,
02:41:32.174 --> 02:41:36.541
member Hardy, member
Maynard and member Perez Diaz.
02:41:36.541 --> 02:41:38.701
On the committee of school initiatives
02:41:38.701 --> 02:41:42.279
it's member Cortez, member
Davis, member Hickman,
02:41:42.279 --> 02:41:45.678
member Johnson, member Robinson.
02:41:45.678 --> 02:41:47.360
And on the committee of instruction
02:41:47.360 --> 02:41:49.502
member Bell Metro, member Little,
02:41:49.502 --> 02:41:53.835
member Milton-Malone, member
Perez and member Young.
02:41:56.269 --> 02:41:57.720
Okay?
02:41:57.720 --> 02:41:58.553
Okay.
02:41:58.553 --> 02:42:00.486
All right, so that will, I
believe conclude our agenda
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for our...
02:42:01.369 --> 02:42:02.999
Meeting for the State Board of Education
02:42:02.999 --> 02:42:04.175
for this part of it.
02:42:04.175 --> 02:42:06.508
And we adjourn this meeting.
02:42:07.391 --> 02:42:11.097
We will take approximately
an hour lunch break
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and we will resume our
Committee of the Full Board,
02:42:14.787 --> 02:42:17.315
which we have two
items of this afternoon,
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starting at 2:15.
02:42:20.814 --> 02:42:23.397
(gravel bangs)