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The Public
Utilities Commission,
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this is the public participation
hearing for Pacific Gas
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and Electric Company
General Rate Case Phase II
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which is scheduled to start
at 2 p.m. on this day Friday,
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November 6th, 2020.
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The assigned Administrative Law Judge
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will convene the meeting shortly.
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If you wish to speak during
the public comment period,
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please press star one, unmute your phone
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and record your name and
location clearly when prompted.
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You will be placed
into a queue in the order
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in which you have identified yourself.
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When it comes time for you to speak,
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I will announce your
name and open your line.
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The judges will be
announcing the time limit
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for speaking depending
on the number of callers.
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To withdraw your request
please press star two.
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Please note there may
be a high volume of callers,
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if we don't get to you right
away to take your name,
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please be patient and stay on the line.
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Today's conference will begin shortly,
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thank you all for standing by.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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(upbeat music)
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Welcome to the public
participation hearing in Pacific Gas
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and Electric Company General
Rate Case Phase II application
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on this day Friday, November 6th, 2020.
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Today's conference is being recorded,
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if you have any objections
you may disconnect at this time.
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Judge Doherty, you may proceed.
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Thank you operator.
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Just wanna double check,
are there court reporters ready?
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Okay, they look ready to go.
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We will now be on the record,
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the Commission will come
to order, good afternoon.
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This is the time and place set
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for the public participation hearing
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in the General Rate
Case Phase II application
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of Pacific Gas and Electric
Company application 19-11-019.
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My name is Patrick Doherty
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and I am the Administrative
Law Judge assigned
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to this proceeding.
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We are joined by Genevieve Shiroma who
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is the assigned
Commissioner for this case.
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Commissioner, would you like
to make any opening remarks?
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Yes, thank you Judge Doherty.
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Good afternoon everyone,
my name is Genevieve Shiroma
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and I am the assigned
Commissioner for this case
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and I'm pleased
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to attend today's public
participation hearing.
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The comments we hear from the public
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at hearings like today's
are extremely important
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to the Commission's process
and I want to thank you
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for attending and listening
and for those of you who
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are speaking for speaking today.
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I know that attending these
hearings can be difficult due
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to work and personal commitments
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so I appreciate your
attendance and taking the time.
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I'd like to make a brief
comment about the scope
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of this case because I
know it can be confusing
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for members of the
public who don't spend all
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of their time working on
electricity rates design.
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When I first got to the Commission,
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it was confusing for me
too and what this is about
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is it's about the rate for the
PG&E General Rate Case,
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it is not about the approved revenue,
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it is about the approved budget.
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That amount which
determines how much PG&E
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is allowed to recover
from customers in rates,
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it's the subject of a pending decision
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in a separate proceeding
in a separate case.
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So this case is about
rate design issues such
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as how to allocate PG&E
revenue requirement
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and once approved among
the various customer classes,
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how to design the specific
rates offered to customers
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and Judge Doherty will
outline that in his remarks today.
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We welcome your input on
these very important issues
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and ask that you comment
focused on the case before us,
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the proceeding before us.
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I look forward to hearing
your comments today
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and will be attending the
public participation hearing
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this evening as well and before I hand
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the microphone back to,
I'd like to say a big thank you
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to all the folks whose
hard work has made
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this hearing possible.
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Thank you to our court
reporters Andrea Ross
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and Caroline Mendez, our
interpreters Moses Alcala
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and sullen Kagow and to Robert Stanford
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and Joe Hagen for our audio visual
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and IT efforts, for the essentials
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in the Public Advisors Office
and a great big thank you
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to Jessie Levine for your
excellent work in organizing
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the hearing for the public
for us and all the so positive
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in your attitude in
working on bringing about
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an opportunity for the
public to talk with us directly.
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Thank you and back to you Judge.
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Thank you Commissioner.
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I would like to start by
acknowledging the pain,
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grief and hardships that COVID-19
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has imposed throughout
our state, communities
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and in our daily lives.
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There are currently
state and local shelter
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at home orders in place
to protect the health
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and wellbeing of our
communities, therefore,
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we are holding these
hearings online and by phone.
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While we look forward to
the time when it will be safe
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to resume public gatherings,
I want to emphasize
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that public engagement
remains more important
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to the Commission than ever
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and that we will be
paying careful attention
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to the feedback provided today.
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The purpose of today's
hearing is to hear directly
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from Pacific Gas and Electric
customers and members
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of the public about this
particular application.
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As alluded to by Commissioner Shiroma,
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I want to start by providing
some brief background
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on the Commission and
the General Rate Case
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and then introduce Ms. Allison Brown
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from the Commission's
Public Advisors Office
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then and most importantly,
we will hear from all of you.
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For participants that wish to
provide public comments today,
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I ask that you press star one
on your phone now to alert
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the operator who will start
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to queue public speakers one at a time.
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The Public Utilities
Commission is the state agency
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that decides how much money Pacific Gas
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and Electric may
earn and the actual rate
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that will be included on your bills
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for electric and gas service.
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The Public Utilities Commission
has five Commissioners who
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are appointed by the Governor
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and confirmed by the State Senate.
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While I manage the
day-to-day activities of the case,
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the five Commissioners
are ultimately the ones who
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will decide and vote
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on whether or not to approve Pacific Gas
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and Electric proposed revenue
allocation and rate designs
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or some other revenue
allocation or rate designs.
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My job as the judge will be
to evaluate all of the evidence
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in the proceeding and
write a proposed decision
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for the five Commissioners to consider.
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The five Commissioners
will decide whether to adopt
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the proposed decision
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or adopt their own
alternate decision based
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on the evidence in the proceeding.
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It is estimated that the
Commission will vote
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on the decision towards
the middle of next year.
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I will now briefly summarize Pacific Gas
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and Electric application.
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Pacific Gas and Electric
has proposed how
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to allocate or in other words divide
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the total costs authorized
by the Commission
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in the first phase of
this General Rate Case
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among Pacific Gas and
Electric customer classes based
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on their respective cost responsibility.
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These customer classes
include residential, commercial,
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streetlights and agriculture.
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Pacific Gas and Electric
proposes to change how costs
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are divided among its customer
classes in this proceeding.
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These changes would mean
that the revenue allocated
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to residential customers
would be reduced by four tenths
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of 1% or 2.2% over three years,
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depending on whether
the customer takes service
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from a community choice aggregator.
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Revenue allocated to agricultural
customers would rise 4.5%
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or 2.2% over three years depending
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on whether the customer takes service
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from a community choice
aggregator and revenue allocated
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to small businesses would rise 4.4%
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or 7.8% over three years,
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depending on whether
the customer takes service
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from a community choice aggregator.
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All other customers not taking service
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from a community choice aggregator
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would see their revenue
allocations reduced
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over three years.
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Pacific Gas and Electric
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has also made great design proposals
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which describe how Pacific
Gas and Electric will collect
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the costs allocated to
each customer class in rates
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over the three year
period of 2021 to 2023.
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For residential customers,
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these rate design
proposals include revisions
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to gas and electric baseline quantities,
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updates to the master meter discounts
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for mobile home part
customers taking service
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under scheduled ES
and ET and the proposal
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for an optional time-of-use rate
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to encourage
residential electrification.
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We want to hear what
you think about Pacific Gas
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and Electric proposals
in this proceeding.
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Comments from the public can help
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the Public Utilities Commission
reach an informed decision.
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The Commissioners and
I will pay close attention
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to the opinions expressed
during today's public hearing.
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We have a court reporter
transcribing today's hearing who
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will be taking down
everything that is said
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on the telephone line.
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If you do speak, we
ask that you speak slowly
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and clearly so that the reporter is able
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to capture everything that is said.
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The written transcript
of today's hearing
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will be available to
myself, the Commissioners
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and posted publicly on the
docket card for this proceeding.
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In addition to submitting
oral comments today,
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written comments regarding Pacific Gas
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and Electric proposals
may also be submitted
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on the docket card for
this proceeding by going
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to the following website
www.cpuc.ca.gov/A1911019Comment.
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I would like to invite Ms. Brown
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from the Commission's
Public Advisors Office
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to provide brief remarks
regarding participation
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in this proceeding, Ms.
Brown please proceed.
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Thank you Judge.
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Welcome everyone,
my name is Allison Brown
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and I'm the Public Advisor for the CPUC.
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The public, (indistinct)
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Off the record Judge.
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Let's be off the
record, please.
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This is the court reporter,
Ms. Brown is not coming in.
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Welcome everyone,
my name is Allison Brown
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and I'm the Public Advisor for the CPUC.
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The Public Advisors Office assists
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and advises the
public with participation
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in Commission proceedings.
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First, I wanna thank you
all for participating today.
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As the Judge and
Commissioner have stated,
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public participation
and input are central
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to the Commission's
decision making process.
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This is your opportunity to be heard,
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to share your thoughts
on the application
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with the Administrative Law
Judge and the Commissioner.
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If you have specific
questions about the application
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or your service, please reach out
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to the public advisors office
at public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov
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or visit the CPUC or PG&E
websites for more information.
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Check in if you or anyone
you know is not able
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to make a comment today,
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there are several other
ways to become involved.
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If you wish to find more information
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on becoming a party
subscribing to this proceeding
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or submitting comments
by email or phone,
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please go to our website cpuc.ca.gov
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or email the public advisor,
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again my email address is
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov.
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All of this information
is also available
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on the notice you
received for this event.
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We look forward to your comments today,
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thank you again for joining us.
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Thank you back to you Judge.
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Thank you Ms. Brown.
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A reminder to folks on the phone,
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please press star one on your phone now
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so that the operator can begin
to form the speaking queue.
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For those customers that have billing
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or service related
questions, Pacific Gas
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and Electric customer
service representatives
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will be standing by
during the hearing and up
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for one hour after
the end of this hearing
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to take calls from customers.
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You may call either Olivia
Cisneros at 559-263-5721
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or Erika Evanow at
707-445-5573 with such concerns.
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Based on the number of
speakers currently in the queue
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and to make sure
everyone has an opportunity
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to provide comments, each
speaker will have a time limit
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of three minutes, a
chime will be sounded
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when the three minutes is up.
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I would like to let all of
the public speakers know
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that this hearing is being transcribed
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by our court reporters
and will be made a part
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of the record of this proceeding.
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The audio of this
hearing will be recorded
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and may be posted online
for subsequent viewing.
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With that, operator please
call on the first speaker
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in the queue and as a
reminder to speakers,
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please speak slowly and spell your first
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and last name, thank you.
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Thank you, the public
comment line is now open.
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Our first comment is from Lorrie
McClary, you may go ahead.
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Yes, I have been trying to
get some help here in my house,
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I live in a very rural
area and I was told
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that the batteries that
they have been giving out
00:16:55.350 --> 00:16:58.770
won't even run my oxygen concentrator.
00:16:58.770 --> 00:17:01.680
They could possibly pay
for me to stay in the hotel
00:17:01.680 --> 00:17:04.130
but then there's
transportation there and no one
00:17:04.130 --> 00:17:06.470
to take care of animals at home.
00:17:06.470 --> 00:17:10.757
My comment would be
why cannot PG&E utilize
00:17:11.710 --> 00:17:15.022
the homes of both renters and homeowners
00:17:15.022 --> 00:17:20.022
with the homeowners
permission to install solar panels
00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:24.440
to run the home and
weld with additional panels
00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.810
that would pay back PG&E
with electricity constantly.
00:17:28.810 --> 00:17:33.810
The PG&E would still retain
ownership of the panels
00:17:34.030 --> 00:17:37.110
or the 25 year period life of the panels
00:17:38.100 --> 00:17:41.030
and if the homeowner ever sold the place
00:17:41.030 --> 00:17:43.730
or the people who are eligible to move,
00:17:43.730 --> 00:17:46.400
they would have to make
a new contract with PG&E
00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.230
or because PG&E owns the equipment take
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the equipment back and
utilize it somewhere else.
00:17:52.530 --> 00:17:55.380
The only comments I can
think of that would benefit both
00:17:55.380 --> 00:18:00.380
the participants in these
programs give PG&E extra space
00:18:00.500 --> 00:18:04.410
to have solar panels to
collect more energy from PG&E
00:18:04.410 --> 00:18:08.760
and keep these people's
homes running when the batteries
00:18:08.760 --> 00:18:10.920
and stuff that they give
us for battery backups
00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.443
don't really run an oxygen concentrator.
00:18:14.982 --> 00:18:17.870
Thank you for your time,
that was my comment.
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Thank you Ms. McClary, would
you mind spelling your name
00:18:20.140 --> 00:18:21.660
for the record?
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L-o-r-r-i-e s-u-e
that's my first name.
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Last name is McClary, M-c-C-l-a-r-y
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and I live in Porterville, California.
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Thank you very much.
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Ms. McClary, I appreciate your comment.
00:18:41.088 --> 00:18:42.088
Thank you.
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Thank you, our next
speaker is Milton Beral.
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Sir you may go ahead.
00:18:54.100 --> 00:18:56.440
Thank you for listening to
my comments, your Honor.
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My name is spelled M-I-l-t-o-n,
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last name is Beral, B-e-r-a-l.
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I'm talking about the current proposals
00:19:06.450 --> 00:19:11.450
to the PUC from PG&E,
I largely support them.
00:19:12.020 --> 00:19:15.290
There are a couple of comments
I'd like to make about them,
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I feel that in general
the tiers are far too small
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and the pricing models are too complex
00:19:27.130 --> 00:19:30.060
and this has given us electricity rates
00:19:30.060 --> 00:19:34.460
that are far too high, the
sixth highest in the nation.
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And because the tiers are so low
00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:42.640
when even moderate users wind up paying
00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:46.740
about 30 cents a kilowatt hour almost
00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:49.920
and that's the highest
rate in the nation.
00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.900
So our pricing models,
our complex pricing models
00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:58.900
have failed the
constituents in California
00:19:58.970 --> 00:20:02.210
and we need changes
and this is a beginning
00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:03.870
to those changes, I
understand they're going
00:20:03.870 --> 00:20:08.037
in the right direction, I
would urge stronger changes
00:20:09.530 --> 00:20:14.530
to the agricultural part of
the reallocation to be stronger
00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.330
and those are my comments for you today,
00:20:18.330 --> 00:20:19.503
thank you for your time.
00:20:20.570 --> 00:20:21.707
Thank you Mr. Beral.
00:20:25.300 --> 00:20:27.720
And our next caller
is Pete Smietana,
00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:29.410
sir you may go ahead.
00:20:29.410 --> 00:20:34.410
Actually at some Pete
Smietana, P-e-t-e first name,
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last name is Smietana, s-m-i-e-t-a-n-a.
00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:45.660
My comments are with regards
to the baseline calculation
00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:49.453
and the associated tariff structure.
00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.823
I live in apparently,
00:20:54.964 --> 00:20:57.403
the X baseline territory.
00:20:58.740 --> 00:21:03.740
I keep getting this written
letter that says I'm four times
00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:06.533
over the baseline.
00:21:08.340 --> 00:21:10.690
There is no way that I can be four times
00:21:10.690 --> 00:21:14.710
over a reasonable baseline,
I talked to my neighbors
00:21:14.710 --> 00:21:18.910
and they're constantly
getting this same calculation,
00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:19.823
same letter.
00:21:20.950 --> 00:21:24.720
What I did was I called
PG&E and they told me
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:29.720
that the baseline is based
upon a 1700 square foot house,
00:21:30.580 --> 00:21:33.773
that's the average in the X area.
00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:39.400
That's not quite what
it should be and I find
00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:44.400
it ludicrous that PG&E
would use such a thing.
00:21:46.490 --> 00:21:48.750
The houses in my area
00:21:48.750 --> 00:21:53.350
are my houses 3900
square feet approximately,
00:21:53.350 --> 00:21:56.740
I'm one of the smaller
houses and I don't
00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:58.083
even have a swimming pool.
00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:03.290
What should I do?
00:22:03.290 --> 00:22:04.610
I hear a beep.
00:22:04.610 --> 00:22:06.540
Please continue, that's okay,
00:22:06.540 --> 00:22:08.460
you have at least two more minutes.
00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:09.870
Thank you.
00:22:09.870 --> 00:22:14.140
And I talked to them and
their bills are outrageous.
00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:19.140
I find that you can contact
the Contra Costa County
00:22:19.520 --> 00:22:22.170
for example and get
the size of our houses.
00:22:22.170 --> 00:22:25.590
You know exactly how big our houses are,
00:22:25.590 --> 00:22:30.500
why not create a rate
structure that takes
00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:35.490
in say every thousand square
feet, 1700 or 2000 square feet,
00:22:35.490 --> 00:22:40.490
3000 square feet, 4000, 5000
and look at homes in there.
00:22:40.890 --> 00:22:44.490
Also, Contra Costa County knows
that we have a swimming pool
00:22:44.490 --> 00:22:49.490
or not, I mean we're
getting $1,000 bills.
00:22:50.100 --> 00:22:53.730
My bill is now, because
people have swimming pools,
00:22:53.730 --> 00:22:57.440
I'm getting a bill that is
a couple hundred dollars,
00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:02.260
it's fine but then all of
a sudden I go to $400
00:23:02.260 --> 00:23:05.033
and I instantly get
this bill, this notice.
00:23:05.906 --> 00:23:10.503
I'd like to end with the
following, I'm very conscientious,
00:23:12.660 --> 00:23:16.540
every light bulb in my house does go
00:23:19.130 --> 00:23:22.050
I have upgraded my HVAC system
00:23:22.050 --> 00:23:25.940
to a high energy efficient
one about two years ago.
00:23:25.940 --> 00:23:29.930
My water heaters are
high energy efficient.
00:23:29.930 --> 00:23:33.910
There's nothing more I can
do except that you're telling me
00:23:33.910 --> 00:23:37.530
that my baseline is based
upon a 1700 square foot house
00:23:37.530 --> 00:23:39.637
when I have a 39 nine square foot,
00:23:39.637 --> 00:23:42.033
I am always gonna be above the baseline.
00:23:43.120 --> 00:23:45.210
I think you need to start looking at how
00:23:45.210 --> 00:23:49.891
to recalculate baselines
for different tier structures.
00:23:49.891 --> 00:23:53.413
That's my comment, thank you.
00:23:53.413 --> 00:23:55.934
Thank you Mr. Smietana,
I appreciate it.
00:23:55.934 --> 00:23:59.670
Commissioner Shiroma, do
you have a comment to make?
00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:01.229
Thank you Judge.
00:24:01.229 --> 00:24:05.584
I'm thinking that maybe you
could repeat the PG&E employees,
00:24:05.584 --> 00:24:10.584
the customer service
representatives who are standing
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:17.410
by maybe repeat their names
and their phone numbers
00:24:17.410 --> 00:24:22.410
so that Pete can talk to them directly.
00:24:26.159 --> 00:24:31.159
I'm sorry, how about I can
give you my phone number
00:24:32.193 --> 00:24:33.043
and you can call me?
00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:38.940
I encourage you not
to do that on this hearing
00:24:39.110 --> 00:24:40.470
that will be recorded and posted
00:24:40.470 --> 00:24:42.883
on the web Mr. Smietana.
00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:46.860
However, I know that Allison Brown
00:24:46.860 --> 00:24:51.050
from our Public Advisors
Office is on the line
00:24:51.050 --> 00:24:54.070
and perhaps she can
repeat her contact information
00:24:54.070 --> 00:24:56.567
for you and you can get in
touch with her to find your way
00:24:56.567 --> 00:24:58.240
to the right people.
00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:01.190
If she would give me her
phone number then I'll call her.
00:25:03.890 --> 00:25:06.520
Sure, can you
hear me all right?
00:25:06.520 --> 00:25:07.363
Yes, I can.
00:25:08.570 --> 00:25:11.250
Okay, actually if
you can send an email
00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:14.890
to our inbox then we can make
sure someone can get back
00:25:14.890 --> 00:25:16.240
to you as soon as possible.
00:25:17.110 --> 00:25:21.930
So that email address is
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov.
00:25:28.030 --> 00:25:30.107
Public.advisor@cpuc
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:37.213
Yeah, @cpuc.ca.gov.
00:25:39.151 --> 00:25:44.020
Okay and I can send you
my information, okay, all right.
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.240
And we'll keep it confidential
and we will have someone
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.660
from our team reach out
to you to put you in touch
00:25:49.660 --> 00:25:50.791
with the right people.
00:25:50.791 --> 00:25:53.291
This is greatly appreciated.
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.310
Of course, thank you.
00:26:00.350 --> 00:26:02.770
I just wanna remind
everyone who might be listening,
00:26:02.770 --> 00:26:04.631
including Mr. Smietana
00:26:04.631 --> 00:26:09.631
the individual PG&E
representatives who are here to listen
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.960
to your calls during the hearing today.
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:17.960
Again, their names are Olivia
Cisneros at 559-263-5721
00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:27.713
and Erika Evanow at 707-445-5573.
00:26:31.390 --> 00:26:33.929
So if anyone listening
wants to get in touch
00:26:33.929 --> 00:26:37.730
with those PG&E employees directly,
00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:40.160
they're here to take your
call during the hearing
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.310
and for one hour after.
00:26:42.310 --> 00:26:44.890
Okay, thank you Smietana
for your comments.
00:26:44.890 --> 00:26:47.853
Operator, do we have
another speaker in the queue?
00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:52.240
Yes sir, next caller
is Kristina Boudreaux,
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.090
you may go ahead.
00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:55.560
Thank you very much.
00:26:55.560 --> 00:27:00.330
My name is Kristina
Boudreaux, K-r-i-s-t-i-n-a,
00:27:00.330 --> 00:27:05.330
last name is Boudreaux,
B-o-u-d-r-e-a-u-x as in x-ray.
00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:10.150
I'm calling you from
Sebastopol, California.
00:27:10.150 --> 00:27:13.680
My concern with this and
any other rate case application
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:17.170
by PG&E is that their computer
systems are not sufficient
00:27:17.170 --> 00:27:19.380
to support public consumers.
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:22.150
For the past three years, I
have submitted evidence both
00:27:22.150 --> 00:27:26.360
to PG&E and to the CPUC
that there are serious errors
00:27:26.360 --> 00:27:29.270
in the computer systems
design and reporting
00:27:29.270 --> 00:27:30.250
and therefore potentially
00:27:30.250 --> 00:27:33.090
also in the calculation
of consumer bills.
00:27:33.090 --> 00:27:36.810
For example, the online
billing report shows bills
00:27:36.810 --> 00:27:39.110
and payments that do not match
00:27:39.110 --> 00:27:42.930
or given billing cycle shows
multiple bills in one month
00:27:42.930 --> 00:27:44.840
on the same account and shows
00:27:44.840 --> 00:27:48.280
the exact same payment
withdrawn from the account whilst
00:27:48.280 --> 00:27:50.653
on the same day which was not accurate.
00:27:50.653 --> 00:27:55.190
Bills also show amounts
as unpaid though consumers
00:27:55.190 --> 00:27:56.700
are on Auto Pay.
00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:58.250
Emailed amounts do not match
00:27:58.250 --> 00:28:00.580
the actual amount billed or withdrawn.
00:28:00.580 --> 00:28:02.560
Lastly, solar accounts
00:28:02.560 --> 00:28:05.820
should be billed monthly
rather than annual true-up
00:28:05.820 --> 00:28:08.160
which is a financial
hardship when for example,
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:13.160
our bill has been as high as
$1,428.90 which incidentally
00:28:14.350 --> 00:28:17.174
was billed twice because
they had our account
00:28:17.174 --> 00:28:19.460
on two different systems.
00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:23.040
I have documentation
support for all of these cases,
00:28:23.040 --> 00:28:25.720
I appreciate the energy but I do
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.410
as a former computer
programmer feel strongly
00:28:29.410 --> 00:28:32.360
that the underpinnings, the
design of the computer systems
00:28:32.360 --> 00:28:35.180
is significantly off and there is reason
00:28:35.180 --> 00:28:38.703
to suspect serious error,
thank you for listening.
00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:41.770
Thank you Ms. Boudreaux.
00:28:46.600 --> 00:28:48.860
And our next caller
is Michael Moore,
00:28:48.860 --> 00:28:50.223
you may go ahead sir.
00:28:52.010 --> 00:28:57.010
Yes, Michael is
spelled M-i-c-h-a-e-l,
00:28:57.070 --> 00:29:00.253
last Name Moore M-o-o-r-e.
00:29:05.180 --> 00:29:10.180
I have several questions
for the Commissioners,
00:29:10.840 --> 00:29:15.390
the first has to do with
the residential down,
00:29:19.700 --> 00:29:22.810
I guess it's a credit over three years
00:29:22.810 --> 00:29:27.280
of four tenths of a percent,
how is it calculated?
00:29:27.280 --> 00:29:29.970
And I don't need that
on the air right now
00:29:29.970 --> 00:29:32.040
but it would be really
nice to be able to see
00:29:32.040 --> 00:29:33.993
that written in plain English.
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.640
The other is I am very
concerned that the costs
00:29:44.912 --> 00:29:49.912
of Enhanced Vegetation
Management, tree trimming,
00:29:56.857 --> 00:30:01.567
how those things are monitored
and how they're communicated.
00:30:02.800 --> 00:30:07.720
I'd like to see the results
of which high voltage towers
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.480
are climbed and how
they're monitored each year
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.450
and how they have been
monitored over the past five years.
00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:18.090
Again, I don't need to see it on the air
00:30:18.090 --> 00:30:22.100
but I do wanna see that
we can at least follow up
00:30:22.100 --> 00:30:24.033
and question those things.
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.640
It is difficult to delve
through to the other speakers
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.023
about how the tiers are managed.
00:30:36.510 --> 00:30:39.110
I have a small house 900 square feet,
00:30:39.110 --> 00:30:43.023
I've been here for 30 years,
I don't have air conditioning.
00:30:46.230 --> 00:30:50.420
Yeah, virtually no
lights are on all the time,
00:30:50.420 --> 00:30:55.410
only my computer is on and
there's no way in the world
00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:01.900
that I can be using as
much energy as I'm told
00:31:03.830 --> 00:31:08.830
that there is but when you
talk to PG&E what you discover
00:31:09.964 --> 00:31:13.750
is that there are two
charges essentially,
00:31:13.750 --> 00:31:18.460
one is for generation and
the other is for providing
00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:21.480
the distribution of the services.
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.070
It is really hard to get
a straight answer out
00:31:25.070 --> 00:31:29.083
of anybody but thank you for listening.
00:31:32.430 --> 00:31:33.530
Thank you Mr. Moore.
00:31:38.730 --> 00:31:40.190
Before we go
to the next caller,
00:31:40.190 --> 00:31:43.610
if you would like to make a
comment, please press star one,
00:31:43.610 --> 00:31:45.940
unmute your phone and record your first
00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:48.970
and last name clearly when
prompted so I may introduce you.
00:31:48.970 --> 00:31:53.193
Our next caller is Sheila
Gilmore, you may go ahead.
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.750
Hi, my name is Sheila Gilmore,
00:31:57.750 --> 00:32:02.750
that's spelled s-h-e-i-l-a,
Gilmore is G-i-l-m-o-r-e.
00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:12.783
I live in Bodega Bay,
I'm in a small house, well,
00:32:13.850 --> 00:32:15.840
it's not the smallest
house but I don't even know
00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:20.840
the square foot, 2000 roughly
and I'm not home three days
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.470
a week and I've been in
this house for 14 years.
00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:28.190
When I first moved here
my husband was alive
00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:30.270
and between the two of us our PG&E bill
00:32:30.270 --> 00:32:33.030
was like 90 bucks a month, you know,
00:32:33.030 --> 00:32:36.007
one side or the other of 90 bucks.
00:32:36.007 --> 00:32:40.763
And he passed away in 07 and my bills
00:32:44.620 --> 00:32:48.990
are now like I was $210 a month ago.
00:32:48.990 --> 00:32:53.220
I'm gone three days a
week and I don't see how
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:56.153
in the world I could possibly
be getting a bill this high.
00:32:57.575 --> 00:33:02.575
I qualify for medical
baseline but I found out
00:33:02.710 --> 00:33:04.400
that it doesn't help me one bit
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.950
because there's no natural
gas heating in my area,
00:33:07.950 --> 00:33:10.520
it's all either propane or electric
00:33:10.520 --> 00:33:13.053
so that means I get to
use either one of those.
00:33:14.516 --> 00:33:15.910
Ms. Gilmore I hate interrupt,
00:33:15.910 --> 00:33:18.834
I just wanted to go off
the record for a second.
00:33:18.834 --> 00:33:23.440
Okay though I don't
understand what that means.
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.290
I was trying to give our
court reporters a break
00:33:25.290 --> 00:33:27.260
but I may not be
understanding what they want,
00:33:27.260 --> 00:33:29.813
I apologize for
interrupting your comment.
00:33:32.540 --> 00:33:34.141
Tell me when we're back on.
00:33:34.141 --> 00:33:35.170
Please continue, I'm very sorry
00:33:35.170 --> 00:33:36.620
for interrupting Ms. Gilmore.
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.083
Are we still interrupted?
00:33:42.183 --> 00:33:45.133
We're not at the moment
because I'm trying to get a read.
00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:47.290
Excuse me Judge,
00:33:47.290 --> 00:33:50.383
I am here it looks like
Carol's call was dropped so.
00:33:51.781 --> 00:33:52.614
Okay, now I understand.
00:33:52.614 --> 00:33:55.120
Okay, so they can't hear us.
00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:56.269
Okay, she's calling back in.
00:33:56.269 --> 00:33:57.330
You can hear me?
00:33:57.330 --> 00:33:58.930
I can hear you, can you hear me?
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:04.330
Can anybody hear me?
00:34:04.330 --> 00:34:05.801
I can hear you.
00:34:05.801 --> 00:34:06.634
I hear you.
00:34:06.634 --> 00:34:09.818
Okay, it looks like
Carol is calling back in,
00:34:09.818 --> 00:34:11.968
if we can give her one
minute to maybe try.
00:34:13.797 --> 00:34:17.420
And Ms. Gilmore, I want
to very much apologize
00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:18.690
for the technical difficulties.
00:34:18.690 --> 00:34:21.710
This is one of the things
that happens when we go
00:34:21.710 --> 00:34:25.860
to all remote hearings and I apologize
00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:28.490
for this but I do want you
to finish your comment
00:34:28.490 --> 00:34:30.770
so if you can be patient
with us, we'll be back
00:34:30.770 --> 00:34:31.653
on the line soon.
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.463
Hey, are we ready to
go back on on the record?
00:34:46.060 --> 00:34:47.850
Okay, I'm checking
with Carol right now,
00:34:47.850 --> 00:34:50.500
I getting an answer in one second,
00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:52.233
it looks like she's typing me.
00:34:53.140 --> 00:34:56.770
I'm ready to go if she
can't continue so let's see
00:34:56.770 --> 00:34:57.713
what she says.
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.150
Okay, they haven't got
back to her so I'll go ahead
00:35:01.150 --> 00:35:03.680
and take over so we're ready to go.
00:35:03.680 --> 00:35:04.800
Okay.
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:06.480
And I am here.
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:07.900
All right, thank you.
00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:09.370
Again, my apologies Ms. Gilmore,
00:35:09.370 --> 00:35:11.200
let's go back on the record.
00:35:11.200 --> 00:35:13.960
Ms. Gilmore, if you would
like to finish your comment I'm
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:15.900
very interested in hearing it.
00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:16.803
Okay, thanks.
00:35:17.970 --> 00:35:20.650
I know I said that I
qualify for medical baseline
00:35:20.650 --> 00:35:22.220
but it's never been of use to me
00:35:22.220 --> 00:35:26.973
because I don't have natural
gas so there is no discount.
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:30.550
I find that really hard to believe
00:35:30.550 --> 00:35:32.610
or understand why there's no discount
00:35:32.610 --> 00:35:35.780
for electrical usage if you
don't have natural gas heat,
00:35:35.780 --> 00:35:37.860
you know, in your area.
00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:41.240
I would request that that be considered
00:35:41.240 --> 00:35:44.050
that medical baseline can apply
00:35:44.050 --> 00:35:46.500
to your electric bill as well.
00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:49.940
And I understand that these hearings
00:35:49.940 --> 00:35:53.630
are because there's an
application for a rate increase
00:35:53.630 --> 00:35:58.630
and I can hardly sustain
the the bills I'm paying at 210.
00:35:58.827 --> 00:36:03.827
Then it was 190, I just
left out and it was 177,
00:36:05.860 --> 00:36:09.290
all of my light bulbs are LED,
00:36:09.290 --> 00:36:12.910
I don't even own a television
set, I don't own a washer
00:36:12.910 --> 00:36:15.540
and dryer, I certainly
don't have a swimming pool
00:36:17.950 --> 00:36:21.510
and it's just really hard
for me to make ends meet.
00:36:21.510 --> 00:36:26.510
I was retired but I have to
work because I can't make it.
00:36:27.190 --> 00:36:30.630
So every increase that is passed along
00:36:30.630 --> 00:36:35.460
which comes my way
makes it hard to get by
00:36:36.650 --> 00:36:39.820
so I ask your consideration
as you're deliberating
00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:43.540
this as the people, I'm not
the low man on the totem pole
00:36:43.540 --> 00:36:48.430
but I'm certainly one of those
low-middle, I would say that.
00:36:48.430 --> 00:36:51.523
There was one other thing I
wanted to ask about, let's see.
00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:55.423
Not just the medical baseline.
00:36:56.950 --> 00:37:00.780
I too have gone through
my bills over the last year
00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:03.770
and a half I find it dizzying
to make any sense out of it,
00:37:03.770 --> 00:37:05.383
it's not straightforward.
00:37:08.809 --> 00:37:11.810
I really don't trust the
figures and I've tried
00:37:11.810 --> 00:37:14.320
to ask before why my bill is so high,
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:18.230
I even went to my
local county supervisor
00:37:18.230 --> 00:37:20.920
and asked for help but
they didn't ever respond
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:25.200
to me so I'm asking
you for consideration,
00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:30.200
this is really a hard time to
be asked to be paying more.
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:34.690
I'm very fortunate I am still employed,
00:37:34.690 --> 00:37:38.590
I've been employed as an
essential worker through this COVID
00:37:38.590 --> 00:37:41.940
so it doesn't make it easy,
makes it easier than the people
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:45.343
that have lost their job,
thank you for hearing me.
00:37:46.670 --> 00:37:47.560
Thank you Ms. Gilmore
00:37:47.560 --> 00:37:49.850
and I believe Commissioner
Shiroma wanted
00:37:49.850 --> 00:37:52.293
to address a couple
of the things you said.
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.650
Yes, Ms. Gilmore
thank you for calling
00:37:56.650 --> 00:37:58.263
in and your comments.
00:38:00.620 --> 00:38:05.620
There is a medical baseline
rate for electricity customers
00:38:06.600 --> 00:38:11.600
and so if you're able to email
our consumer advice folks
00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:24.680
and Allison Brown can
give you that email and again
00:38:24.680 --> 00:38:26.450
as Judge Doherty indicated,
00:38:26.450 --> 00:38:31.450
there are two PG&E customer
service representatives who
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.330
are listening to this
public participation hearing
00:38:37.330 --> 00:38:41.140
and they are available and
there are phone numbers for them
00:38:42.020 --> 00:38:46.690
and they will be available
even after this hearing is done.
00:38:46.690 --> 00:38:49.210
And so Judge if it's okay with you
00:38:49.210 --> 00:38:53.790
to have Ms. Brown give
Ms. Gilmore that email
00:38:54.720 --> 00:38:59.720
towards assessing what
is going on with her bill
00:39:01.220 --> 00:39:06.040
and also the opportunity for
the medical baseline as well.
00:39:08.390 --> 00:39:09.880
Yeah, certainly.
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.440
Ms. Brown do you wanna
list your your email again
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:15.683
for the caller?
00:39:16.620 --> 00:39:20.100
Absolutely, yes, so
you can send an email
00:39:20.100 --> 00:39:23.900
to the public advisor inbox
and we will get back to you
00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:26.590
or provide you some good information.
00:39:26.590 --> 00:39:31.543
That email address is
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov.
00:39:36.910 --> 00:39:39.973
Okay, all right.
00:39:39.973 --> 00:39:41.424
Thank you Ms. Gilmore.
00:39:41.424 --> 00:39:42.369
Thank you.
00:39:42.369 --> 00:39:43.419
Thank you, bye bye.
00:39:47.860 --> 00:39:51.340
And our next caller
is Anthony Carpio,
00:39:51.340 --> 00:39:52.440
you may go ahead, sir.
00:39:53.276 --> 00:39:54.263
Can you hear me?
00:39:55.830 --> 00:39:56.929
Hello.
00:39:56.929 --> 00:39:57.762
Yes we can hear you?
00:39:57.762 --> 00:39:59.293
Okay, great, thank you.
00:40:00.210 --> 00:40:05.210
I had a question on the
the tier usage billing process.
00:40:07.078 --> 00:40:12.078
I am on a well and the well
is deeded to four properties
00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:15.630
that equal nine acres
and there's three of us
00:40:17.160 --> 00:40:21.253
that are on it and there's
two of us are using it right now.
00:40:23.330 --> 00:40:27.270
So there's no process
for breaking down the tier
00:40:27.270 --> 00:40:29.550
for the four properties
so I'm being billed
00:40:29.550 --> 00:40:34.550
as if it's one residents
using lots and lots of water.
00:40:34.710 --> 00:40:38.770
The meter is just for the well,
we each have our own meter
00:40:38.770 --> 00:40:41.973
for our homes and, you know, so we get
00:40:41.973 --> 00:40:45.040
into the higher tier use
each every summer.
00:40:45.040 --> 00:40:49.480
They're starting with June,
the bill was over $200 a month,
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:54.480
all the way through
September and that last one
00:40:55.540 --> 00:41:00.050
was $261 a month for that
month and then it dropped down
00:41:00.050 --> 00:41:05.050
the next month to, it was
158 because we're starting
00:41:05.330 --> 00:41:08.533
to use less water, we're
trying to and so I was wondering
00:41:08.533 --> 00:41:11.360
if there's anything because
I contacted PG&E about
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:12.870
it before and quite a while ago
00:41:12.870 --> 00:41:15.287
and they just said c'est la vie.
00:41:15.287 --> 00:41:16.688
(laughs)
00:41:16.688 --> 00:41:18.780
You know, this is
probably the good grumbles
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:22.490
but we're not wasting water
because we can't afford
00:41:22.490 --> 00:41:27.490
to water all our property
but our wells 690 feet deep
00:41:29.290 --> 00:41:33.490
and we have everything
but our small lawns on drip
00:41:33.490 --> 00:41:36.320
in the hole, everything
that we actually water we
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:38.590
can't water a whole
yard so I was wondering
00:41:38.590 --> 00:41:42.060
if you guys can ask him about that.
00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:46.570
Thank you Mr. Carpio.
00:41:46.570 --> 00:41:50.240
I don't I don't know the
specifics of your situation
00:41:50.240 --> 00:41:52.720
so it's hard for me to give you advice
00:41:52.720 --> 00:41:54.203
on exactly what to do.
00:41:55.450 --> 00:42:00.450
I would say it sounds
like you may have one well
00:42:01.410 --> 00:42:03.980
that is being billed as one account
00:42:03.980 --> 00:42:06.803
but being distributed
amongst four residences.
00:42:08.190 --> 00:42:11.350
I certainly can't give you
any advice on how to fix
00:42:11.350 --> 00:42:15.370
that because if there's one
meter, there's probably going
00:42:15.370 --> 00:42:16.463
to be one bill.
00:42:18.111 --> 00:42:21.760
Maybe Shiroma has a thought
as well but I also wanna say
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:25.150
that we are considering
a different proceeding
00:42:25.150 --> 00:42:28.750
the highest usage tier and
we're considering proposals
00:42:28.750 --> 00:42:31.470
to either modify or eliminate that tier
00:42:31.470 --> 00:42:34.100
and that's not really
an issue in this hearing.
00:42:34.100 --> 00:42:35.930
However, I just wanted to let you know
00:42:35.930 --> 00:42:39.495
that is before the
Commission for consideration
00:42:39.495 --> 00:42:42.295
and Commissioner Shiroma,
I'm sorry to have interrupted.
00:42:43.430 --> 00:42:46.460
No, that's all good
information Judge.
00:42:46.460 --> 00:42:51.460
Yes, here again I suggest
that our caller email
00:42:55.650 --> 00:43:00.650
our advisors office,
public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov
00:43:04.300 --> 00:43:07.603
because our consumer.
00:43:08.470 --> 00:43:10.743
Could you say that
one more time, please?
00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:13.327
Sure.
00:43:13.327 --> 00:43:18.327
Yes, so it's public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov
and if you look
00:43:32.490 --> 00:43:36.333
at our website it's on the slide.
00:43:40.050 --> 00:43:42.301
Hopefully there's a slide showing.
00:43:42.301 --> 00:43:45.548
No, I can't see that,
I'm on a flip phone.
00:43:45.548 --> 00:43:46.826
(laughs)
00:43:46.826 --> 00:43:48.477
Okay.
00:43:48.477 --> 00:43:51.786
Yeah, it's okay but yeah if
there's any way I can because,
00:43:51.786 --> 00:43:54.570
you know, it's not like I'm
just sharing, it's deeded.
00:43:54.570 --> 00:43:57.010
We each have a
quarter piece of that well
00:43:57.010 --> 00:43:59.640
and it delivers 4.4 gallons a minute
00:43:59.640 --> 00:44:01.562
and so it runs all the time.
00:44:01.562 --> 00:44:02.590
(laughs)
00:44:02.590 --> 00:44:05.810
Because there isn't really
much water coming out of there.
00:44:05.810 --> 00:44:07.663
But anyway so yeah, I'll take a look
00:44:07.663 --> 00:44:11.000
at that and maybe for
consideration you guys
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.270
might be able to think about that one.
00:44:13.270 --> 00:44:15.920
Thank you Mr. Carpio
and I have one favor
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:17.940
to ask you which is,
can you spell your name
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:19.700
for the record please?
00:44:19.700 --> 00:44:20.850
Yes.
00:44:20.850 --> 00:44:25.533
C as in Charlie, Alfa,
Romeo, Papa, India, Oscar.
00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:29.742
Thank you very much
Mr. Carpio, I do appreciate it.
00:44:29.742 --> 00:44:32.140
Okay, I live in Paradise,
California too by the way
00:44:32.140 --> 00:44:36.990
and I mean, if you
want my co-well account,
00:44:36.990 --> 00:44:38.803
the PG&E account number for that,
00:44:38.803 --> 00:44:40.793
I'll give that to you if you like.
00:44:41.670 --> 00:44:43.242
That may help but ...
00:44:43.242 --> 00:44:44.753
I think you should email that.
00:44:45.845 --> 00:44:48.571
Yeah, email that to our advisor email,
00:44:48.571 --> 00:44:53.340
they have expertise
on if there is something
00:44:53.340 --> 00:44:57.150
that can be done to navigate
and to connect you up
00:44:57.150 --> 00:45:02.150
with PG&E and I hope you're
doing okay up there in paradise.
00:45:02.550 --> 00:45:05.060
Yeah, my house
didn't burn this time.
00:45:05.060 --> 00:45:07.708
I mean, it didn't burn last time either
00:45:07.708 --> 00:45:09.890
but the fire went through here twice
00:45:09.890 --> 00:45:12.660
and the first time was
the Humboldt Fire 12 years
00:45:12.660 --> 00:45:15.400
ago burned all my neighbor's
houses to the ground
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.070
and this time, we
did better (laughs)
00:45:18.070 --> 00:45:19.720
considering the rest of the town.
00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:23.193
Glad to hear that.
00:45:23.193 --> 00:45:25.250
Anyway, I'll get off,
you guys got business
00:45:25.250 --> 00:45:28.603
to do so thank you for
listening and I appreciate that.
00:45:29.730 --> 00:45:31.220
Thank you sir.
00:45:31.220 --> 00:45:32.053
Bye, bye.
00:45:35.560 --> 00:45:37.670
And again, if you would
like to make a comment,
00:45:37.670 --> 00:45:40.760
please unmute your phone, press star one
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:42.730
and record your first
and last name clearly
00:45:42.730 --> 00:45:45.170
when prompted so I may introduce you.
00:45:45.170 --> 00:45:48.903
Our next caller is
Brynn, you may go ahead.
00:45:50.830 --> 00:45:55.123
Hi, thank you so much
for giving me the permission.
00:45:56.653 --> 00:46:01.653
My questions are regarding
the bonuses that PG&E
00:46:04.344 --> 00:46:08.977
is paying for the California
executives and staff teams.
00:46:10.690 --> 00:46:14.769
I know they filed Chapter 11 Bankruptcy
00:46:14.769 --> 00:46:19.520
and from the media what
I heard is that they wanted
00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:24.520
to pay over 453 million bonuses
00:46:24.580 --> 00:46:26.583
for executives and employees.
00:46:28.372 --> 00:46:33.360
In the light of, you know,
the PG&E performance
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:38.080
and also the fact that
the company is trying
00:46:38.080 --> 00:46:41.320
to increase their fees,
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.130
can you explain how and why the company
00:46:45.130 --> 00:46:48.550
would even consider to provide
00:46:48.550 --> 00:46:52.763
these extremely high
bonuses to their executives?
00:46:56.990 --> 00:46:59.533
I'm afraid I can't
answer that question.
00:47:00.940 --> 00:47:05.000
The amount of whatever
bonuses they may not be paying,
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.700
may or may not be
paying aren't in the scope
00:47:08.700 --> 00:47:13.010
of this proceeding so I'm
not aware of of the details
00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:14.780
around that so I'm afraid I
00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:17.200
can't answer your question for you.
00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:19.653
But don't they go hand in hand?
00:47:20.500 --> 00:47:25.500
I mean, we as a taxpayer we would like
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.330
to have that transparency, right?
00:47:28.330 --> 00:47:31.380
Isn't that under Transparent California
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:33.350
that information should be provided
00:47:33.350 --> 00:47:38.350
and why you have the
speed to pay under Chapter 11
00:47:41.100 --> 00:47:46.100
these huge bonuses and we
have to support the increases,
00:47:47.562 --> 00:47:52.562
especially where many people
in California are struggling
00:47:53.580 --> 00:47:58.037
so we are increased every
day from property taxes
00:47:58.037 --> 00:48:00.710
to other utilities,
00:48:00.710 --> 00:48:04.330
to other whatever has
been voted under by laws.
00:48:04.330 --> 00:48:07.130
I mean, enough is enough, right?
00:48:07.130 --> 00:48:10.060
How much more can we endure this?
00:48:10.060 --> 00:48:13.870
Unless you all want the
low income and middle class
00:48:13.870 --> 00:48:15.873
to move outside of California.
00:48:20.030 --> 00:48:22.546
I hear you and I
appreciate the comment
00:48:22.546 --> 00:48:25.685
that you're making and I believe
Commissioner Shiroma wants
00:48:25.685 --> 00:48:27.023
to add something.
00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:34.090
Yes, thank you and we
definitely appreciate your comment
00:48:34.900 --> 00:48:39.900
and concerns and these
things is definitely a concern
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.280
to the Commissioners and
as Judge Doherty indicated
00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:50.683
in terms of the the budget
and the amount of revenues,
00:48:53.900 --> 00:48:57.330
indeed they are under a
separate proceeding but I do want
00:48:57.330 --> 00:49:02.150
to assure you and the
public that in crafting
00:49:04.080 --> 00:49:07.560
the requirements to
come out of bankruptcy
00:49:07.560 --> 00:49:08.790
the Commission placed
00:49:08.790 --> 00:49:12.770
some very strict
requirements including changes
00:49:12.770 --> 00:49:15.260
in the Board of directors.
00:49:15.260 --> 00:49:20.260
They were also changes in
the executive team as well
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:26.900
so I do appreciate the sentiments
00:49:26.900 --> 00:49:30.017
and the comments, thank you.
00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:49.883
Did you want to have the
caller provide her last name?
00:49:51.210 --> 00:49:53.730
Yes, that if you could
spell and state your name
00:49:53.730 --> 00:49:55.780
for the record, we
would appreciate that.
00:50:03.140 --> 00:50:07.220
Brynn your line is
still open if you're able
00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:08.820
to state your name and spell it.
00:50:15.910 --> 00:50:17.023
Only if you want to.
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.360
Okay operator, I'm sorry.
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.416
Would you like to
go to the next caller?
00:50:34.416 --> 00:50:39.010
I believe so, I think we
gave the caller an opportunity
00:50:39.010 --> 00:50:41.809
but I didn't hear from her so.
00:50:41.809 --> 00:50:42.642
Okay.
00:50:42.642 --> 00:50:44.540
Yeah, I think you can
go to the next caller.
00:50:44.540 --> 00:50:47.273
Our next caller is Nina
Murphy, you may go ahead.
00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:50.490
Thank you, can you hear me?
00:50:51.370 --> 00:50:53.000
Yes, we can hear you.
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:54.065
Excellent, thank you.
00:50:54.065 --> 00:50:55.906
I have a variety of
comments that I'd like
00:50:55.906 --> 00:50:59.643
to make about PG&E and
maybe a couple of questions too.
00:51:01.908 --> 00:51:02.741
For the last 30 years
I've been a homeowner
00:51:02.741 --> 00:51:05.600
if you're in Marin County,
I live in San Rafael
00:51:05.600 --> 00:51:08.810
and every year since I
became a homeowner,
00:51:08.810 --> 00:51:12.160
PG&E has asked for a rate
increase and nothing new
00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:14.490
this year so we have
another one coming up,
00:51:14.490 --> 00:51:17.410
one for gas and one for
electricity so all of them,
00:51:17.410 --> 00:51:18.440
what do we know?
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.070
And as I was looking through my pamphlet
00:51:20.070 --> 00:51:23.400
on the electrical gas
and electrical increase,
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.310
it says proposed
electrical rate increase
00:51:26.310 --> 00:51:28.960
and it itemizes them all
down, they're residential,
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.930
small commercial, medium,
large commercial, streetlights,
00:51:31.930 --> 00:51:34.290
et cetera and every single one
00:51:34.290 --> 00:51:38.553
of them under the total
changes get a discount except
00:51:39.430 --> 00:51:40.593
for the residents.
00:51:42.250 --> 00:51:47.250
How awkward and how
unacceptable, that's really weird to me.
00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:50.940
And then yesterday
or not today, yesterday,
00:51:50.940 --> 00:51:53.820
I received another thing from PG&E,
00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:54.930
another flyer talking
00:51:54.930 --> 00:51:58.990
about proposal electrical
rate decrease so what is it?
00:52:01.450 --> 00:52:02.543
I'm confused.
00:52:04.810 --> 00:52:08.230
As a 30 year resident here
or actually a 40 year resident
00:52:08.230 --> 00:52:12.190
but as a homeowner for 30
years, I have asked for help
00:52:12.190 --> 00:52:16.210
and assistance from PG&E
several times and they say you
00:52:16.210 --> 00:52:19.130
have to make an
income of $32,000 or less,
00:52:19.130 --> 00:52:21.580
If I'm not mistaken, to
get into the care package,
00:52:21.580 --> 00:52:25.820
that is what I was told is
the national poverty rates.
00:52:25.820 --> 00:52:27.320
But as well, why are you going
00:52:28.255 --> 00:52:29.360
through national poverty, right?
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:34.070
When in fact PG&E only does
business here in California?
00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:36.800
Why don't you look at
the California poverty rate
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:40.840
when we made a gross
income last year of $39,000
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.600
and I can't get help,
it's awkward as a senior
00:52:43.600 --> 00:52:46.680
not to be able to get
help and I am disabled
00:52:46.680 --> 00:52:51.410
and spend a lot on
medication and my question
00:52:51.410 --> 00:52:54.150
to you is why do you go
with the national poverty rate
00:52:54.150 --> 00:52:55.363
as opposed to the state?
00:52:58.250 --> 00:53:00.280
Well, that that is a good
question Ms. Murphy.
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.883
I don't have an answer for
you off the top of my head,
00:53:06.270 --> 00:53:10.790
I know that that is
traditionally the number
00:53:10.790 --> 00:53:15.300
that is used to define low
income versus non-low income
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.650
but I do hear what you're saying
00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:18.300
about California being different,
00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:19.973
California being more expensive,
00:53:21.377 --> 00:53:24.180
a dollar goes less here
than it might go in other parts
00:53:24.180 --> 00:53:26.930
of the country so I
understand what you're saying
00:53:26.930 --> 00:53:29.400
and I appreciate your concern on that.
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.330
Good, one size
does not fit all,
00:53:32.330 --> 00:53:35.060
not at all and that needs to be changed.
00:53:35.060 --> 00:53:38.763
The power outages seven
days in a row doesn't work.
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.630
You can't eat, you
can't shower in the dark,
00:53:42.630 --> 00:53:44.040
you can't wash your clothes,
00:53:44.040 --> 00:53:47.110
you can't do anything
and you know it, I know it,
00:53:47.110 --> 00:53:51.300
you can't even stay warm at
night, it's becoming ridiculous.
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:53.940
How is the Governor even
thinking about electrical vehicles
00:53:53.940 --> 00:53:56.834
when you can't even stop
rolling blackouts and you
00:53:56.834 --> 00:54:01.470
are in control of the blackouts
and they're not necessary.
00:54:01.470 --> 00:54:03.670
If your equipment is kept up to date,
00:54:03.670 --> 00:54:06.510
if your equipment and the
area around your equipment
00:54:06.510 --> 00:54:08.470
is kept clear, just like our houses
00:54:08.470 --> 00:54:13.470
are and the equipment
itself is updated continuously,
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.160
I think that would work for everybody,
00:54:19.160 --> 00:54:21.660
everybody in the state
and that's something
00:54:21.660 --> 00:54:23.020
that needs to be done.
00:54:23.020 --> 00:54:25.120
Quite frankly, I believe
that companies whose unit
00:54:25.120 --> 00:54:28.250
should be split up, maybe
into two or three companies.
00:54:28.250 --> 00:54:30.660
I was looking at the map though
that you guys sent me wow,
00:54:30.660 --> 00:54:32.520
what a big territory.
00:54:32.520 --> 00:54:35.610
I think PG&E should take
San Francisco and head south
00:54:35.610 --> 00:54:37.080
and I think another company should come
00:54:37.080 --> 00:54:39.900
in and take the northern
area of California
00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:42.490
and deal with all the
forest and things like that,
00:54:42.490 --> 00:54:44.693
that PG&E can't seem to have control.
00:54:46.695 --> 00:54:48.620
Maybe another company can
do that and maybe it would work
00:54:48.620 --> 00:54:51.592
to split it up to two, maybe
even three companies.
00:54:51.592 --> 00:54:54.580
It's a consideration and again,
00:54:54.580 --> 00:54:57.960
I'm with the lady who spoke
just before that, no bonuses,
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.610
ah ah, no more.
00:54:59.610 --> 00:55:01.860
We're sick and tired of
hearing about bonuses
00:55:02.846 --> 00:55:05.580
until everything is cleaned
up, your equipment is safe,
00:55:05.580 --> 00:55:06.800
your towers are safe
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.010
and you're not gonna kill
another person in a fire.
00:55:10.010 --> 00:55:11.650
I also think it's time
00:55:11.650 --> 00:55:14.210
that the California Public
Utilities Commission
00:55:14.210 --> 00:55:17.610
are elected and not
appointed because it seems
00:55:17.610 --> 00:55:19.160
for 30 years straight you've given
00:55:19.160 --> 00:55:21.160
a rate increase every single year,
00:55:21.160 --> 00:55:23.010
gas or electric every year.
00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:26.040
Seriously, where's the
principal who are representing
00:55:26.040 --> 00:55:27.323
the people of this state?
00:55:28.430 --> 00:55:29.740
There aren't any.
00:55:29.740 --> 00:55:31.970
I'm a co-founder of two
grassroots organizations
00:55:31.970 --> 00:55:35.489
in San Rafael, this is
baloney and I don't like
00:55:35.489 --> 00:55:40.450
it and we're paying for it
and as a senior, it stinks.
00:55:40.450 --> 00:55:42.463
Why do we pay for your ineptness?
00:55:48.140 --> 00:55:49.800
I'm very glad and I'll say one thing
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:53.200
that I am very happy about and that is,
00:55:53.200 --> 00:55:56.603
I'm thrilled you got rid of
baby trees in Marin County.
00:55:57.600 --> 00:55:59.260
I would come home from grocery shopping
00:55:59.260 --> 00:56:01.760
and find them sitting in
my backyard drinking beers,
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.400
throwing cans all over the
backyard and not putting a tree
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.277
at all and just, you
know, maybe a limb or two
00:56:07.277 --> 00:56:08.850
and then they'd leave it all over there
00:56:08.850 --> 00:56:10.393
and a bit of mess with it.
00:56:11.230 --> 00:56:15.550
Second, I saw some
guy sitting on my oak tree,
00:56:15.550 --> 00:56:16.900
a 30 foot limb sitting
00:56:16.900 --> 00:56:19.450
out there not even
nearly electrical lines,
00:56:19.450 --> 00:56:22.170
he was ready to cut the whole limb off.
00:56:22.170 --> 00:56:24.100
I told him to get off my
property, I call the police
00:56:24.100 --> 00:56:25.670
and hit him away.
00:56:25.670 --> 00:56:28.310
He didn't get off so I am happy
00:56:28.310 --> 00:56:30.680
that you have finally
changed to responsible
00:56:30.680 --> 00:56:34.130
and respectable tree trimming
people in Marin County.
00:56:34.130 --> 00:56:37.410
I am beyond disappointed
with all the inserts
00:56:37.410 --> 00:56:38.910
that you through into the bills,
00:56:38.910 --> 00:56:41.300
that's money out of your pockets
00:56:41.300 --> 00:56:43.940
and I know you'd have
to do certain things
00:56:43.940 --> 00:56:48.940
to inform everybody but I
need you to do a better job at it.
00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:54.820
I am calling on behalf
of firefighters who
00:56:54.820 --> 00:56:58.950
are getting cancer and
can't breathe correctly
00:57:01.940 --> 00:57:05.500
that these executive
bonuses have to stop,
00:57:05.500 --> 00:57:07.810
you've gotta take
care of the firefighters
00:57:07.810 --> 00:57:12.810
that are cleaning up your
mess and it needs to start now,
00:57:12.970 --> 00:57:17.340
get a new frame of mind,
look out for the people instead
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:19.283
of your stock holders.
00:57:20.620 --> 00:57:22.700
The residents are the ones
who are paying the bills,
00:57:22.700 --> 00:57:24.070
the stockholders are just raking
00:57:24.070 --> 00:57:26.163
it in so just well not anymore.
00:57:29.600 --> 00:57:32.940
And I think we need new
management in PG&E, most definitely.
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:35.740
Somebody who really cares
about the people of California
00:57:37.568 --> 00:57:39.968
and that's my comments
or those are my comments.
00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:42.910
Thank you Ms. Murphy,
I appreciate you taking
00:57:42.910 --> 00:57:44.773
the time to give us a call today.
00:57:45.790 --> 00:57:49.150
I appreciate you listening
and I hope you actually,
00:57:49.150 --> 00:57:54.150
in fact, listen to some of these
things and act accordingly.
00:57:58.310 --> 00:57:59.514
Thank you.
00:57:59.514 --> 00:58:00.514
Thank you.
00:58:01.869 --> 00:58:04.320
Would you like me
to spell my name?
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.250
As I recall you may
have at the beginning
00:58:07.250 --> 00:58:10.030
but if you would like to
restate and spell your name,
00:58:10.030 --> 00:58:11.830
we would appreciate that, thank you.
00:58:13.690 --> 00:58:15.020
I said my I said my
name but I didn't spell
00:58:15.020 --> 00:58:18.923
it so it's Nina Murphy, M-u-r-p-h-y
00:58:18.923 --> 00:58:22.970
from San Rafael, California
and I really hope you guys get
00:58:22.970 --> 00:58:25.660
it together because we can't go on like
00:58:25.660 --> 00:58:28.410
this in California
anymore, we just can't do it,
00:58:28.410 --> 00:58:30.373
it doesn't work for anybody.
00:58:34.980 --> 00:58:38.040
I hope you do the right
thing and stop giving
00:58:38.040 --> 00:58:40.910
us rate increases year
after year after year
00:58:40.910 --> 00:58:42.890
and do something about the care package
00:58:42.890 --> 00:58:43.990
because that's a joke.
00:58:46.310 --> 00:58:49.053
Thank you Ms. Murphy, I
appreciate the comments today.
00:58:54.110 --> 00:58:56.623
Operator, do we have
another person in the queue?
00:58:57.842 --> 00:58:59.620
And at this time we
have no additional callers
00:58:59.620 --> 00:59:00.453
in the queue.
00:59:01.750 --> 00:59:04.280
Okay, I just wanna double check
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:05.690
that's for the the English line
00:59:05.690 --> 00:59:07.140
and the Spanish line as well.
00:59:08.540 --> 00:59:10.290
Yes, that's correct.
00:59:10.290 --> 00:59:14.760
Okay, that appears to
conclude all the speakers who
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:19.240
have called in to speak
during this 2 p.m. hearing.
00:59:19.240 --> 00:59:22.820
If any of you would like
to provide additional input
00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:25.130
or comments after this hearing,
00:59:25.130 --> 00:59:28.510
you may submit written
comments on the docket card
00:59:28.510 --> 00:59:31.360
for this proceeding which can be found
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.800
on the Commission's website
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:38.217
at www.cpuc.ca.gov/A1911019Comments.
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:52.180
And if you need assistance
00:59:52.180 --> 00:59:54.510
with providing additional comments,
00:59:54.510 --> 00:59:58.283
please contact the Commission's
Public Advisors Office.
00:59:59.450 --> 01:00:00.650
Before I conclude the hearing,
01:00:00.650 --> 01:00:02.560
I just want to double check
01:00:02.560 --> 01:00:04.710
if there are any more
callers in the queue.
01:00:06.270 --> 01:00:09.800
And we do have two more
callers that have come through.
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.593
Our next one is Jeff Smith,
sir you may go ahead.
01:00:14.100 --> 01:00:19.100
Yes, I'm Jeff Smith,
J-e-f-f S-m-i-t-h.
01:00:19.690 --> 01:00:21.140
Are you able to hear me okay?
01:00:22.030 --> 01:00:24.350
Yes, I can hear you Mr. Smith.
01:00:24.350 --> 01:00:26.230
Great, because I couldn't
hear myself, thank you.
01:00:26.230 --> 01:00:28.110
Yeah, hit star one
earlier but I don't know
01:00:28.110 --> 01:00:31.120
if it registered or something
but I had to call back
01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:34.520
in just a couple minutes
ago, I just hit star one again.
01:00:34.520 --> 01:00:39.520
But anyway, my comments
are about the baseline territory's,
01:00:40.490 --> 01:00:43.830
for the last 14 years
I've sent a couple letters
01:00:43.830 --> 01:00:47.140
to California Public Utilities
Commission and also,
01:00:47.140 --> 01:00:50.540
I've spoken in three different
hearings about the baselines,
01:00:50.540 --> 01:00:53.490
about the disproportionate
way that baselines
01:00:53.490 --> 01:00:55.390
are allocated between the Central Valley
01:00:55.390 --> 01:00:57.540
and the San Francisco Bay Area.
01:00:57.540 --> 01:00:59.950
It seems like there's
not a large difference
01:01:00.990 --> 01:01:05.030
maybe 100 kilowatts from
San Francisco Bay area
01:01:05.030 --> 01:01:08.820
to the Central Valley
and also the Eastern
01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:12.350
and South Contra Costa
and Alameda counties.
01:01:12.350 --> 01:01:15.410
And the thing that I
really had tried to propose
01:01:15.410 --> 01:01:19.000
to PG&E and to Public
Utilities Commission many times
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.413
is I believe that this
territory actually be broken up
01:01:21.413 --> 01:01:24.270
into two territories and San Diego Gas
01:01:24.270 --> 01:01:26.434
and Electric address the same issue
01:01:26.434 --> 01:01:31.434
for their utility where they
have a separate territory
01:01:32.330 --> 01:01:35.190
for the inland coastal areas
around the San Francisco Bay
01:01:35.190 --> 01:01:37.474
and have another territory
for those that live out
01:01:37.474 --> 01:01:42.474
in areas because when
I send my letters CPUC
01:01:43.614 --> 01:01:46.450
always comes back and sends
me letters explaining something
01:01:46.450 --> 01:01:48.470
I already know which is I understand
01:01:48.470 --> 01:01:53.470
that these baseline quantities
are based on 65 to 70%
01:01:55.896 --> 01:01:58.940
of the average usage
for that particular territory,
01:01:58.940 --> 01:02:00.290
I understand that.
01:02:00.290 --> 01:02:01.613
But that's not what I'm questioning,
01:02:01.613 --> 01:02:03.830
what I'm questioning is that I believe
01:02:03.830 --> 01:02:08.810
that they're not out
allocated appropriately.
01:02:08.810 --> 01:02:10.710
The central valley
is paying the majority
01:02:10.710 --> 01:02:14.710
of the high bills and
into the higher tiers
01:02:14.710 --> 01:02:17.800
and they need to balance
this out a little bit better
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.080
as far and not lower any baselines
01:02:20.080 --> 01:02:22.080
because I don't think we
can conserve any more
01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:24.400
and echoing some of the
comments of some of the people
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.700
on this line, we are actually conserving
01:02:27.700 --> 01:02:28.690
like you wouldn't believe.
01:02:28.690 --> 01:02:31.000
I mean, one guy in Davis,
I went to hearing he said
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.670
it's so bad that his
family fights all the time
01:02:33.670 --> 01:02:38.670
about the lowering the
thermostat actually in the winter,
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.800
increasing it in the summer.
01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.124
So I really believe that they
01:02:42.124 --> 01:02:44.240
should have two baseline territories
01:02:44.240 --> 01:02:47.120
because the San Francisco
Bay that is San Mateo
01:02:47.120 --> 01:02:49.140
and Livermore in the same territory
01:02:49.140 --> 01:02:50.930
with two vastly different climates
01:02:50.930 --> 01:02:53.040
and for my understanding
is supposed to be based
01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:54.613
on the climate of California.
01:02:56.070 --> 01:02:57.930
So I really believe that
needs to be addressed
01:02:57.930 --> 01:03:00.560
and we don't need any more
baseline increases for sure,
01:03:00.560 --> 01:03:02.060
especially in the Central
Valley and I'm sure
01:03:02.060 --> 01:03:04.680
the Eastern and Contra
Costa and Alameda counties
01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:07.913
can vouch for that too, thank you.
01:03:09.100 --> 01:03:12.153
Thank you Mr. Smith,
I appreciate that.
01:03:15.657 --> 01:03:19.433
Our next caller is Mark
Bernhardt, sir you may go ahead.
01:03:20.270 --> 01:03:21.820
Hi, my name is Mark Bernhardt.
01:03:21.820 --> 01:03:26.793
My name is spelled
M-a-r-k B-e-r-n-h-a-r-d-t.
01:03:28.020 --> 01:03:31.940
Just to let you know, I'm
not here to bash Pacific Gas
01:03:31.940 --> 01:03:34.630
and Electric as I have
family members that go back
01:03:34.630 --> 01:03:38.140
as far as 75 plus
years with the company.
01:03:38.140 --> 01:03:40.850
Unfortunately, this year
due to the pandemic,
01:03:40.850 --> 01:03:45.550
I was forced into early retirement
and one of my questions,
01:03:45.550 --> 01:03:48.640
I guess, is kind of a follow
up to everybody else's calls
01:03:48.640 --> 01:03:50.270
on the tier rate plan.
01:03:50.270 --> 01:03:52.700
I know for a fact because again,
01:03:52.700 --> 01:03:56.170
having so many members in
my family work for Pacific Gas
01:03:56.170 --> 01:03:58.390
and Electric, that some
of these rate plants
01:03:58.390 --> 01:04:01.210
have not changed since
they were set up in the 50s,
01:04:01.210 --> 01:04:05.620
1950s to be exact and,
you know, it's just, again,
01:04:05.620 --> 01:04:07.660
being forced into an early retirement
01:04:07.660 --> 01:04:10.750
and being by myself now, I'm a senior,
01:04:10.750 --> 01:04:15.750
it's just been extremely
hard this year with all I mean,
01:04:15.940 --> 01:04:17.523
just California in general.
01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:22.420
So my big question was,
again, on the tier rate plan
01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:25.080
and how it should be more simplified
01:04:25.080 --> 01:04:27.610
and more detailed because again
01:04:27.610 --> 01:04:31.790
to previous callers
listening, you know, it's hard,
01:04:31.790 --> 01:04:33.770
it's very extremely hard.
01:04:33.770 --> 01:04:35.590
It's basically convoluted a lot
01:04:36.582 --> 01:04:38.780
of ways and that's
something that really needs
01:04:38.780 --> 01:04:41.110
to be addressed and of
course, I have led a lot
01:04:41.110 --> 01:04:43.550
of people at Pacific
Gas and Electric know
01:04:43.550 --> 01:04:46.840
and they've basically said
this is your option right now
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:48.340
to make this during this call.
01:04:51.517 --> 01:04:54.320
Thank you Mr. Bernhardt,
I appreciate that.
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:56.853
I hear what you're saying
about great simplicity.
01:04:59.830 --> 01:05:01.720
Other than that,
you know, like I said,
01:05:01.720 --> 01:05:04.660
I wish people really
understood in California,
01:05:04.660 --> 01:05:07.483
Pacific Gas and Electric
is a great company.
01:05:08.570 --> 01:05:10.250
They have great people,
01:05:10.250 --> 01:05:12.080
a lot of these are my family members
01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:14.770
so I take really offense
when people just snap
01:05:14.770 --> 01:05:16.290
and say it's the PG&E.
01:05:16.290 --> 01:05:17.870
Unfortunately, it's not PG&E,
01:05:18.826 --> 01:05:19.659
there's a lot of other details,
01:05:19.659 --> 01:05:21.743
California Public
Commission, everything.
01:05:22.650 --> 01:05:24.840
I understand the dynamics of everything
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:28.130
so it's unfortunate when
people bash companies
01:05:28.130 --> 01:05:29.850
the way they do and I understand that,
01:05:29.850 --> 01:05:32.700
when they think bring in more
companies and monopolies.
01:05:32.700 --> 01:05:33.920
Well, if that was the case,
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.220
California probably would
have done that years ago
01:05:36.220 --> 01:05:37.800
but unfortunately they did not.
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.080
So again, a great company,
I just think they need
01:05:40.080 --> 01:05:43.120
to be a little bit more,
how would I say?
01:05:43.120 --> 01:05:46.420
Simplified into the public understanding
01:05:46.420 --> 01:05:47.893
how things really work.
01:05:50.750 --> 01:05:52.700
Thank you Mr. Bernhardt,
I appreciate that.
01:05:52.700 --> 01:05:53.750
You bet, thank you.
01:05:58.727 --> 01:06:03.560
Our next caller is George
Jarjour, sir you may go ahead.
01:06:05.370 --> 01:06:06.203
Thank you.
01:06:06.203 --> 01:06:07.390
Yeah, my name is George JarJour,
01:06:07.390 --> 01:06:11.093
that's J-a-r-j-o-u-r, I live
in Morgan Hill, California.
01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:14.670
I've been a homeowner
here for, I'm pushing 30 years
01:06:14.670 --> 01:06:17.954
in the same place and
actually some of my thunder
01:06:17.954 --> 01:06:21.210
was taken by some
of the previous callers
01:06:21.210 --> 01:06:22.980
and I wanna echo some of the comments,
01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:25.380
particularly the last
couple, Mr. Bernhardt,
01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:29.130
Mr. Smith, you know,
rate simplicity, for sure.
01:06:29.130 --> 01:06:32.090
There has to be much more
transparency with regard
01:06:32.090 --> 01:06:36.203
to the rates and
understanding how our rates
01:06:38.740 --> 01:06:41.860
are calculated or usage is calculated.
01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:44.840
I also and several other
callers have touched
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.550
on the whole baseline territory thing,
01:06:47.550 --> 01:06:50.870
I'm in baseline territory, you know, x,
01:06:50.870 --> 01:06:51.990
whenever that means, right?
01:06:51.990 --> 01:06:55.750
E-1 X and I can assure you
01:06:55.750 --> 01:06:58.010
that there are three
people living in our home,
01:06:58.010 --> 01:07:00.850
we are as conservative
as you can possibly get
01:07:00.850 --> 01:07:03.510
with regard to power usage, you know,
01:07:03.510 --> 01:07:07.557
both on the electrical side
and on the gas side and,
01:07:08.910 --> 01:07:11.530
you know, we're pretty
regularly, I don't know,
01:07:11.530 --> 01:07:16.010
50% above the tier one
allowance, there's something out
01:07:16.010 --> 01:07:21.010
of whack either it's misaligned,
the baseline allowance
01:07:22.420 --> 01:07:26.140
or tier one usages, maybe
it's a geographical thing
01:07:26.140 --> 01:07:28.840
as previous caller mentioned,
you know, Morgan Hill
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:33.533
is significantly warmer than
up the Peninsula, for example.
01:07:35.110 --> 01:07:39.660
So, anyway, what it comes
down to is rate simplicity,
01:07:39.660 --> 01:07:42.970
rate transparency and
transparency with regard
01:07:42.970 --> 01:07:46.660
to our usage because with
all due respect to, you know,
01:07:46.660 --> 01:07:49.040
the billing cycles whether
it's computer related thing
01:07:49.040 --> 01:07:52.640
or whatever, you know, I
know we cannot use any less
01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:55.420
than we use for all intents
and purposes, you know,
01:07:55.420 --> 01:07:57.123
we're family of three, that's it.
01:07:58.190 --> 01:08:01.988
And I get chronic complaints
internally too because,
01:08:01.988 --> 01:08:02.821
you know, I keep telling them, you know,
01:08:02.821 --> 01:08:05.270
in the winter my son and
my wife and I'll tell him put
01:08:05.270 --> 01:08:06.970
on another sweater if you have to.
01:08:09.126 --> 01:08:13.460
But, I mean it is insane and
I've tried everything possible
01:08:13.460 --> 01:08:17.910
and I don't know if it's the
meter that's miscalculating
01:08:17.910 --> 01:08:20.220
or whatever, I'm not
complaining about necessarily
01:08:20.220 --> 01:08:21.160
the dollar value of the bill
01:08:21.160 --> 01:08:25.706
but I can't make it any
lower and so the increases,
01:08:25.706 --> 01:08:28.830
I'd just like to have a
better understanding
01:08:28.830 --> 01:08:33.830
of the rate structure
and specifically the,
01:08:35.150 --> 01:08:37.233
you know, the baseline
territory and transparency
01:08:37.233 --> 01:08:40.340
because I honestly
and here it is a message
01:08:40.340 --> 01:08:42.500
throughout all of the callers
that have called in today,
01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:46.087
there's a tremendous
amount of distrust and I hate
01:08:48.430 --> 01:08:51.443
to love myself in there
but I tend to agree.
01:08:52.470 --> 01:08:54.690
I don't even know what
to believe, I just pay the bill
01:08:54.690 --> 01:08:55.563
and move on.
01:08:57.150 --> 01:09:00.340
Anyway, so that's it,
sorry to to air my frustration
01:09:00.340 --> 01:09:01.643
in that regard but ...
01:09:02.550 --> 01:09:06.250
No, I appreciate that you
called in to do so Mr. Jarjour,
01:09:06.250 --> 01:09:08.880
I mean that's why we're here.
01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:12.130
I do wanna note that
in this proceeding we
01:09:12.130 --> 01:09:14.940
are considering a couple
of proposals with respect
01:09:14.940 --> 01:09:17.060
to baseline territories.
01:09:17.060 --> 01:09:20.330
One proposal, sort of along the lines,
01:09:20.330 --> 01:09:23.570
you were saying would
refine the baseline territories
01:09:23.570 --> 01:09:27.190
to be far more specific
to a given location rather
01:09:27.190 --> 01:09:29.980
than lumping a lot of people together
01:09:29.980 --> 01:09:32.820
in a single territory and
then there's another proposal
01:09:32.820 --> 01:09:35.120
that sort of does the
opposite and simplifies
01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:38.390
the baseline territory
as they're only three
01:09:38.390 --> 01:09:40.660
in PG&E territory, coastal,
01:09:40.660 --> 01:09:43.090
inland and then something in between.
01:09:43.090 --> 01:09:45.900
So we are examining this issue
01:09:45.900 --> 01:09:48.540
around baseline territory
definitions, you know,
01:09:48.540 --> 01:09:50.850
who lives in what territory and how hot
01:09:50.850 --> 01:09:54.480
is it or not so I can
tell you that's before us
01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:57.910
and will be part of the
decision in this proceeding.
01:09:57.910 --> 01:10:00.040
Appreciate that, thank you.
01:10:00.040 --> 01:10:01.757
Thank you Mr. Jarjour.
01:10:05.867 --> 01:10:08.370
And I have no more
callers at this time but again,
01:10:08.370 --> 01:10:11.273
that is star one if you would
like to make a comment.
01:10:16.290 --> 01:10:19.360
Okay, operator can I
confirm that there is no one else
01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:20.770
in the queue for either the English
01:10:20.770 --> 01:10:22.123
or Spanish speaking line?
01:10:25.670 --> 01:10:27.367
There are no more
callers in the Spanish line
01:10:27.367 --> 01:10:30.000
and we have an additional
one in the English line,
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.300
one moment.
01:10:31.300 --> 01:10:32.133
Okay.
01:10:32.133 --> 01:10:32.966
I provide their name.
01:10:39.550 --> 01:10:42.473
Our next caller is Kevin
Collins, you may go ahead sir.
01:10:44.150 --> 01:10:48.640
Hello, my name is Kevin
Collins, conventional spelling.
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:50.660
I live in Felton, California.
01:10:50.660 --> 01:10:54.340
I have a question, I'm going
to precede it with a statement
01:10:57.050 --> 01:10:59.520
that will help the people
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.000
on the call understand the question.
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:06.720
Right now there's a
massive tree felling going
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:10.230
on in the CZU fire zone,
01:11:10.230 --> 01:11:12.710
I assume this is happening
all across the state
01:11:12.710 --> 01:11:17.500
in the wildfire zones
from the August fires.
01:11:17.500 --> 01:11:20.720
So PG&E took advantage of the fact
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:23.320
that most of these
residential properties
01:11:23.320 --> 01:11:26.730
are unoccupiable because houses are ash,
01:11:26.730 --> 01:11:30.680
they rushed in with all
kinds of contractor crews
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:34.030
from all over the United
States and started mass felling
01:11:34.030 --> 01:11:37.630
of tall conifer so that they
could destroy anything
01:11:37.630 --> 01:11:41.230
that might one day fall into their wire.
01:11:41.230 --> 01:11:43.890
And I'd like to know
whether and of course,
01:11:43.890 --> 01:11:46.710
they're rebuilding some of
the circuits that were burned
01:11:46.710 --> 01:11:51.710
in the fires and my question
has to do with whether PG&E
01:11:52.570 --> 01:11:57.190
is accessing the Federal Emergency
Management Agency funding
01:11:57.190 --> 01:12:02.190
for this work or if it will be billed
01:12:02.550 --> 01:12:07.163
against the general rate case open now?
01:12:08.430 --> 01:12:10.390
That's the question, thank you.
01:12:10.390 --> 01:12:13.080
Yes, that is actually a very
good question Mr. Collins,
01:12:13.080 --> 01:12:18.080
I do not know so I'm
afraid I can't help you
01:12:18.450 --> 01:12:22.550
with my own knowledge
but I do appreciate you raising
01:12:22.550 --> 01:12:26.160
that question and I think
it's worth thinking about.
01:12:26.160 --> 01:12:29.410
Is there a department
within the many departments
01:12:29.410 --> 01:12:31.830
of the CPUC where someone might know
01:12:31.830 --> 01:12:34.740
the answer or whom I could contact?
01:12:34.740 --> 01:12:37.670
Yeah, so I would
have you get in touch
01:12:37.670 --> 01:12:41.070
with our Public Advisor
and she can help you get
01:12:41.070 --> 01:12:44.220
in touch with the people
in our energy division
01:12:45.130 --> 01:12:50.130
that are looking at PG&E
requests for a budget
01:12:50.410 --> 01:12:53.720
in a different proceeding
and obviously these requests
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:55.760
and that other proceeding includes costs
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:59.210
for things like vegetation management
01:12:59.210 --> 01:13:01.242
and they might not know either
01:13:01.242 --> 01:13:05.050
but they would be much
better placed than I am
01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:06.630
to answer that question.
01:13:06.630 --> 01:13:09.640
And so Allison Brown
is our Public Advisor
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:13.550
and I'll give you the
email if you're ready to go.
01:13:13.550 --> 01:13:15.140
I've been on your
website many times,
01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:18.748
I know how to locate it, you
don't need to go to that point,
01:13:18.748 --> 01:13:23.748
I can get access to
Allison through your site.
01:13:27.020 --> 01:13:29.400
I just wanted to add one other comment,
01:13:29.400 --> 01:13:33.677
PG&E is now operating in
violation of the CAL FIRE notice
01:13:37.210 --> 01:13:40.223
that they're conducting timber
operations without a permit,
01:13:41.250 --> 01:13:42.820
thank you.
01:13:42.820 --> 01:13:44.233
Thank you Mr. Collins.
01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:52.040
And I have no more callers
in either the Spanish queue
01:13:52.040 --> 01:13:53.650
or the English queue and again,
01:13:53.650 --> 01:13:55.863
that is star one to make a comment.
01:13:57.120 --> 01:13:59.930
Okay, thank you operator.
01:13:59.930 --> 01:14:01.930
Hearing that there are no other callers
01:14:01.930 --> 01:14:05.780
in the speaker queue, I
think I'm gonna go ahead
01:14:05.780 --> 01:14:08.840
and close the hearing
for this afternoon.
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:11.240
There will be another
hearing at six o'clock
01:14:11.240 --> 01:14:13.836
and so this therefore concludes
01:14:13.836 --> 01:14:17.700
this afternoon's public
participation hearing.
01:14:17.700 --> 01:14:20.870
Thank you to all of you who
called in to give your input
01:14:20.870 --> 01:14:23.520
and comments, it is
very much appreciated.
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.220
Commissioner Shiroma did
you have any closing remarks?
01:14:27.360 --> 01:14:30.300
Just simply to say thank
you to everyone who called
01:14:30.300 --> 01:14:35.090
in and everyone who may
be listening or observing
01:14:35.090 --> 01:14:40.090
on our website and we'll be back online
01:14:40.224 --> 01:14:44.313
at this evening once again, thank you.
01:14:45.650 --> 01:14:47.120
Thank you Commissioner.
01:14:47.120 --> 01:14:49.820
That concludes the hearing,
we will be off the record.