WEBVTT 00:00:02.140 --> 00:00:06.440 Wednesday, November 5, 2020. Today's call is being recorded. If you 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:08.769 have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:10.731 President Batjer, you may proceed. 00:00:10.755 --> 00:00:12.960 Thank you operator. And good morning 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:16.280 everyone. We need to establish a quorum, so would the 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:18.334 agenda clerk please call the roll. 00:00:18.358 --> 00:00:19.969 Commissioner Shiroma. 00:00:20.940 --> 00:00:21.559 Present. 00:00:21.583 --> 00:00:23.635 Commissioner Guzman Aceves. 00:00:23.659 --> 00:00:24.792 Here. 00:00:24.816 --> 00:00:26.544 Commissioner Randolph. 00:00:26.568 --> 00:00:28.106 Here. 00:00:28.130 --> 00:00:29.971 Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 00:00:29.995 --> 00:00:31.509 I'm here. 00:00:31.533 --> 00:00:33.294 President Batjer. 00:00:33.318 --> 00:00:36.460 Here. Thank you. A quorum has been established 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.350 Welcome to the California Public Utilities Commission. 00:00:39.350 --> 00:00:42.570 I'm calling this meeting of November 5, 2020. Public 00:00:42.570 --> 00:00:47.789 agenda number 3474 to order. Due to the coronavirus 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:51.179 pandemic and the shelter in place order, we are conducting 00:00:51.179 --> 00:00:54.960 today's business meeting online and by remote participation. 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:58.460 The meeting is livestreamed on the CPUC's website. 00:00:58.939 --> 00:01:09.784 You can view the meeting at www.adminmonitor.com/CA/CPUC 00:01:09.808 --> 00:01:15.019 Adminmonitor is one word. The public engagement is critical 00:01:15.030 --> 00:01:18.459 to the CPUC process. If you wish to make a public comment, 00:01:18.939 --> 00:01:30.560 dial into 800-857-1917 and enter pass code 9899501, 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:35.359 and press *1. You will be placed into a queue, and 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:38.260 the operator will take your name and information if 00:01:38.260 --> 00:01:41.840 appropriate. You will be called upon to speak when 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:44.599 we get to the public comment period 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:49.450 in today's agenda. If you encounter difficulty calling 00:01:49.450 --> 00:02:00.492 into the public telephone lines, please email at votingmeeting@cpuc.ca.gov. 00:02:00.516 --> 00:02:07.170 Voting meeting help is one word. Before we move to the 00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:09.849 public comment portion of our agenda, I would like 00:02:09.849 --> 00:02:12.900 to take a moment to recognize that November is Native 00:02:12.909 --> 00:02:16.729 American Heritage Month. We recognize the rich diversity 00:02:16.740 --> 00:02:19.300 of the Native American peoples and their long history 00:02:19.310 --> 00:02:23.289 in California and throughout the Americas. Last year, 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:26.650 Governor Newsom apologized for the atrocities committed 00:02:26.650 --> 00:02:30.069 against California Native American peoples and established 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.979 a council to ensure Native Americans are accounted 00:02:32.979 --> 00:02:38.289 for in policy, legislation, and regulation. In line with 00:02:38.289 --> 00:02:41.719 the Governor's commitment, we had the pleasure of welcoming 00:02:41.729 --> 00:02:45.419 Kenneth Ken Holbrooke earlier this year into a newly 00:02:45.419 --> 00:02:49.060 created role at the Commission as our Tribal Advisor. 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.639 In addition to efforts on our tribal liaison, Stephanie 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.680 Green, has taken to build partnerships with the tribal 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.900 communities, Ken is taking steps to increase our early 00:02:59.909 --> 00:03:03.150 and continuous communications with tribes all over 00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:07.360 the state. Today, Native Americans work to confront 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:10.250 some of the most pressing challenges for all Americans. 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.169 They make vital contributions in renewable energy, 00:03:14.180 --> 00:03:19.689 disaster preparedness, and energy response. In recognition 00:03:19.699 --> 00:03:23.449 of the immeasurable contributions of Native Americans 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:26.319 and unique challenges they face, we will be hosting 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.479 internal events to explore Native American policy 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:33.919 perspectives, challenges, and culture. I encourage everyone 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.460 to learn more about the people who first called this 00:03:36.469 --> 00:03:41.409 state and country home. We respect tribes as sovereign 00:03:41.409 --> 00:03:45.419 nations. We continue to review our regulatory framework 00:03:45.430 --> 00:03:49.750 through an accurate historical lens that 00:03:49.750 --> 00:03:53.699 acknowledges past atrocities and work to expand our 00:03:53.699 --> 00:03:58.449 policies to combat current inequities. I would like 00:03:58.449 --> 00:04:02.930 to take this time to recognize that November 8 marks the 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:08.099 two year anniversary of the deadly Camp Fire. Tragically 00:04:08.110 --> 00:04:12.120 85 people lost their lives that day and thousands of 00:04:12.129 --> 00:04:17.730 others were changed forever. They Camp Fire cost billions 00:04:17.740 --> 00:04:21.300 of dollars of damage, altered the ratepayer trust in 00:04:21.310 --> 00:04:25.670 our public utilities. Nevertheless, Californians proved 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:29.779 the resilience and have started to rebuild. In addition, 00:04:29.779 --> 00:04:33.339 we have increased our wildfire mitigation, safety and 00:04:33.339 --> 00:04:37.389 enforcement measures to mitigate the frequency of and 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:43.769 ultimately prevent utility-instigated wildfires. Thank 00:04:43.769 --> 00:04:46.949 you for letting me take this time to honor the lives 00:04:48.740 --> 00:04:52.660 we lost that day, the first responders and the citizens 00:04:52.660 --> 00:04:56.240 who risked their lives for others, and the residents 00:04:56.250 --> 00:05:02.529 of Paradise, Meghalaya, and Butte Creek Canyon who exemplified 00:05:02.529 --> 00:05:06.790 the meaning of resilience. In that regard, I encourage 00:05:06.790 --> 00:05:10.420 today's viewers to stay tuned in today's meeting as 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:13.579 we will have a management report from our safety and 00:05:13.579 --> 00:05:17.730 enforcement director Lee Palmer, on the recent PSPS 00:05:17.740 --> 00:05:23.029 events. Lastly, I would like also to acknowledge the 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:27.269 state of our nation. Given the recent elections, regardless 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.759 of political views, many of us feel anxious and unsettled 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.420 because of local and national elections. While I share 00:05:35.420 --> 00:05:38.970 this feeling, what has helped during this time is to 00:05:38.970 --> 00:05:42.730 remind myself of the belief we must have in democracy 00:05:42.990 --> 00:05:46.660 and ensuring our institutions live up to that belief. 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:52.300 I have seen the democratic spirit here at the CPUC 00:05:52.310 --> 00:05:56.660 since my first day. We strive to ensure each California 00:05:56.670 --> 00:06:00.649 is considered and can have a say in the work we do. 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.899 And in recent weeks, I have been inspired by hearing 00:06:04.899 --> 00:06:09.540 from our staff how they have taken off time and utilized 00:06:09.550 --> 00:06:13.180 their weekends to volunteer for issues and candidates 00:06:13.189 --> 00:06:16.550 that speak their beliefs. Regardless of the outcomes, 00:06:17.339 --> 00:06:20.129 we have important work to do to fight the effects of 00:06:20.129 --> 00:06:23.160 climate change, to protect vulnerable communities. 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:27.129 We must remain steadfast and continue to do this work 00:06:27.139 --> 00:06:31.459 needed to make the world a better place. I am encouraged 00:06:31.470 --> 00:06:34.839 to be surrounded by people who care deeply about social 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.600 and environmental issues that impact us all. And my 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.350 heart is full knowing that I have the honor and the 00:06:42.350 --> 00:06:47.230 privilege to live and work alongside all those who 00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:50.889 have dedicated their lives for the improvement of others. 00:06:50.899 --> 00:06:55.360 Particularly, we in California. So thank you. At this 00:06:55.370 --> 00:06:58.569 time, we will now turn to public comment. Operator? 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.709 Oh, wait. Excuse me, I've got ahead of myself. 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.290 If you wish. Let me remind everyone. If you wish to 00:07:06.290 --> 00:07:11.079 make a public comment and you have already 00:07:11.089 --> 00:07:13.920 dialed into the public comment telephone line, please 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:18.600 just press *1 to get into the public comment 00:07:18.610 --> 00:07:23.889 queue. CPUC rules do not allow for parties in proceedings 00:07:23.899 --> 00:07:27.540 to speak about open proceedings. The public can make 00:07:27.540 --> 00:07:30.949 comments addressing items on the consent and regular 00:07:30.949 --> 00:07:36.100 agenda and including items not on the agenda. Please 00:07:36.110 --> 00:07:40.769 note that there will not be public comment on item 00:07:41.939 --> 00:07:47.529 22 or any item on the Closed Session agenda. You will 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:51.540 have two minutes, two minutes to speak. You will hear 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:55.759 a bell sound when your time is up. Please be mindful 00:07:55.769 --> 00:07:59.600 of others who are in the queue to speak and keep to 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.709 your allotted time. With that guidance in mind, I welcome 00:08:03.709 --> 00:08:05.910 today's speakers and I will turn back to the operator 00:08:05.910 --> 00:08:10.740 to open the public comment. Operator? 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:13.759 Thank you. The public comment line is now open. If 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:15.750 you wish to speak during the public comment period, 00:08:15.750 --> 00:08:18.540 please press *1, unmute your phone, and clearly 00:08:18.540 --> 00:08:22.069 record your name and organization when prompted. Our 00:08:22.069 --> 00:08:25.860 first caller is David McCord. Sir, you may begin. 00:08:25.884 --> 00:08:26.290 I am 00:08:26.290 --> 00:08:29.860 David McCord and I'm a ratepayer in El Cerrito. 00:08:29.870 --> 00:08:35.549 And I'm speaking to support Item 19A on today's agenda. 00:08:36.330 --> 00:08:41.000 As the program of energy efficiency rewards to IOU 00:08:41.009 --> 00:08:45.129 shareholders has devolved, I understand that the IOUs 00:08:45.129 --> 00:08:50.070 now only contract with third party providers 00:08:50.539 --> 00:08:55.789 to design and conduct energy efficient programs. Meanwhile, 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:59.679 we ratepayers still pay for these rewards that the 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:05.190 IOU's themselves do little now to earn. Shareholders 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.110 are passive. They do nothing themselves to advance 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:14.370 energy efficiency. Besides holding shares in the utilities. 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:19.360 I support Commissioner Randolph's alternate proposed 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:23.889 decision. It puts a moratorium on these awards while 00:09:23.889 --> 00:09:27.679 the Commission resolves the policy issues around the 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:32.629 potential of energy efficiency and setting of goals 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.440 That's it. 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:40.149 Thank you, Mr McCord. The next speaker, Operator? 00:09:40.940 --> 00:09:44.100 Our next speaker is Ross Williams. Sir, you may go ahead. 00:09:46.940 --> 00:09:50.700 Hi. Good morning. And thank you for the time. I'm calling 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:56.570 about the recent decision to retroactively, 00:09:57.139 --> 00:10:02.549 basically, retroactively remove the S-Chip program 00:10:02.549 --> 00:10:05.710 and people with well pump and their ability to participate 00:10:05.710 --> 00:10:09.159 in the S-chip program. I'm the CEO of a small company 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.000 in San Diego called HES Solar. And we have spent 00:10:13.009 --> 00:10:16.759 a tremendous amount of time and effort getting 00:10:16.769 --> 00:10:21.429 clients together and getting, you know, finding 00:10:21.429 --> 00:10:24.460 people who would fit the bill for this, to participate 00:10:24.460 --> 00:10:28.120 in this program. We even, I mean, for such a small company, 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.659 we even found funds internally within our company to 00:10:31.659 --> 00:10:35.740 help people who couldn't put the money up front 00:10:35.750 --> 00:10:39.279 to put in these systems and help them, you know, fund it 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.549 up front. And then we would, you know, they would assign 00:10:41.549 --> 00:10:44.330 the rebate to us. So these are definitely people who 00:10:44.330 --> 00:10:48.379 are not wealthy, and they are in need of these systems. 00:10:48.379 --> 00:10:53.250 And so we are just make it very difficult 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:55.620 for us to go back to these customers and say, Oh, just 00:10:55.629 --> 00:10:58.320 kidding. You actually don't get this system because 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.870 they changed their mind. It makes it very difficult for us. 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.350 We spent a tremendous amount of time, effort and precious 00:11:04.350 --> 00:11:07.070 resources getting the system to work for us and work 00:11:07.070 --> 00:11:11.889 for our customers. And now we have got to go backwards 00:11:11.889 --> 00:11:16.720 and, you know, retroactively tell these people that 00:11:16.730 --> 00:11:19.799 it doesn't work for them. So it's really difficult 00:11:19.809 --> 00:11:23.500 and overall, I'd like to say that the S-chip program 00:11:23.500 --> 00:11:28.480 is overly complex and needs to be simplified. 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.450 One of the issues we're having is that it takes 6 to 8 00:11:31.450 --> 00:11:34.409 months for the CSE, the people who review the applications, 00:11:34.419 --> 00:11:37.870 to even give us comments, not let alone approve them, 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:39.779 so it it just takes so long. And it's one of the 00:11:39.779 --> 00:11:44.190 reasons why some of these folks whose applications 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:47.049 were submitted after August 17th are now ineligible. 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:51.340 Thank you for your time. 00:11:51.340 --> 00:11:53.960 Thank you. Mr Williams. Operator, the next caller, 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.340 please. 00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:59.370 Our next caller is Jim Stewart. Sir, you may go ahead. 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.330 Hi. I'm Jim Stewart, energy consultant, and I want 00:12:07.330 --> 00:12:12.500 to support item 19A. And, of course, reject item 19. 00:12:12.509 --> 00:12:15.970 And I wanna thank CalAdvocates and the other commenters 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:19.549 for their powerful statements urging the end of this 00:12:19.549 --> 00:12:23.940 wasteful shareholder incentive programs for energy 00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:27.919 efficiency programs, which are large administered by 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:32.389 third parties anyway. Secondly, I commend Commissioner 00:12:32.389 --> 00:12:36.970 Randolph for daring to break with decades of tradition 00:12:36.970 --> 00:12:41.340 and do the right thing. Proposed that these shareholder 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:48.710 incentive payments be suspended starting in 2021. Finally, 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:53.289 I request the Commissioners to direct staff to quickly 00:12:53.289 --> 00:12:58.110 produce a method for providing real performance based 00:12:58.110 --> 00:13:02.840 incentives for the organizations actually implementing 00:13:02.850 --> 00:13:08.080 these programs. It exists in other states can do it, surely 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:13.730 California can do it also. Let's move ahead and catch 00:13:13.730 --> 00:13:19.840 up with Texas and other states. Thank you. 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:21.317 Thank you. Mr 00:13:21.329 --> 00:13:23.169 Stewart. Operator, the next caller, please 00:13:25.539 --> 00:13:28.659 Our next caller is John Perkins. Sir, you may go ahead. 00:13:30.340 --> 00:13:33.070 Thank you. My name is John Perkins. I owned Perk Solar 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.970 in San Diego, California. I'm a direct competitor 00:13:35.970 --> 00:13:39.570 with HES Solar. Ross over there. I've heard the 00:13:39.570 --> 00:13:43.190 name, But my comments directly reflect his comments 00:13:43.190 --> 00:13:45.779 as well. We're experiencing the same number of frustrations 00:13:45.789 --> 00:13:49.019 as they are. In the fact that, you know, we 00:13:49.019 --> 00:13:51.450 did, actually, you know, get the requirements. We went 00:13:51.450 --> 00:13:54.279 ahead and marketed. We did site surveys. We met with 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.799 customers. We signed contracts. There is 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.370 a tremendous cost to driving, photographing, 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.509 amassing the documentation, and then having the skill 00:14:04.509 --> 00:14:07.870 to submit that documentation. It is incredibly complex. 00:14:08.620 --> 00:14:10.909 It takes our best and brightest to do it. And that 00:14:10.909 --> 00:14:14.870 takes us away from other projects. Getting, you 00:14:14.870 --> 00:14:17.149 know, comments and things like that, you know, 6 to 8 months 00:14:17.149 --> 00:14:20.870 later, after we've submitted these amounts of paperwork, 00:14:20.870 --> 00:14:25.230 is very frustrating. The process does need 00:14:25.230 --> 00:14:29.070 to be simplified. I can appreciate the decision 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:34.019 to only, you know, after a certain 00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:37.549 time, after August 17, I appreciate that decision. However 00:14:37.940 --> 00:14:40.129 that means we only lost about 25% of the work that 00:14:40.129 --> 00:14:44.259 we put in, which makes me look at the next S-chip program 00:14:44.259 --> 00:14:47.039 and say, Well, you know, do we go ahead and invest time and 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.669 money in this, wait 6 to 8 months, find out what happens, 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.830 and then realized that we lost 25% of what we worked 00:14:52.830 --> 00:14:57.389 hard for. And so it puts us in a position where no 00:14:57.389 --> 00:15:01.539 longer are we gonna be seeking these as as adamantly 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:03.519 as we would, which takes us out of the pool, which 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:05.460 makes it less competitive, which was going to drive 00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:09.019 the price and the costs up for the overall program 00:15:09.019 --> 00:15:13.269 Which means the taxpayers get less for the money. 00:15:14.539 --> 00:15:17.529 I'm trying to think of anything else. Yeah 00:15:17.529 --> 00:15:19.690 and the other huge problem in trying to 00:15:19.690 --> 00:15:23.389 make this apply to low income is that low income people, 00:15:23.389 --> 00:15:26.000 they don't have credit necessarily. They don't have 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.159 $26,000 laying around to purchase the battery, and 00:15:30.169 --> 00:15:32.820 they can't get that money. So the only way to really 00:15:32.820 --> 00:15:35.250 make that happen would be to put them through, like 00:15:35.259 --> 00:15:39.139 a pace or a hero program, which is terrible. It's 00:15:39.139 --> 00:15:41.639 a disservice to everybody. It locks them in and makes 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.720 it not able to refi their properties, it's a 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.519 massive interest rate and to get out of the hero, you 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:51.409 take a 10% penalty on the entire thing. And it's absolutely 00:15:51.409 --> 00:15:55.126 unconscionable. Thank you so much for your time. 00:15:55.150 --> 00:16:02.440 Thank you, Mr Perkins. Operator, next caller, please. 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.230 Thank you. And before we go to the next caller, if 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:07.190 you wish to speak during the public comment period 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.429 please press *1, unmute your phone and clearly 00:16:10.429 --> 00:16:13.620 provide your name and organization when prompted. Our 00:16:13.620 --> 00:16:17.592 next caller is Laura Rosenberger Haider. You may go ahead 00:16:17.616 --> 00:16:23.129 Hello. My name is Laura Rosenberger. 00:16:23.139 --> 00:16:27.779 Item 19 A, I support Commissioner Randolph's alternative proposed 00:16:27.789 --> 00:16:31.519 Decision. The Commission should set higher energy efficiency 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:36.059 goal. Performance should be rewarded within third party 00:16:36.070 --> 00:16:42.539 contract clauses. Thanks. 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.029 Caller, we can no longer hear you are you still, have 00:16:52.029 --> 00:16:53.621 you muted yourself, perhaps? 00:16:53.645 --> 00:16:55.125 Oh, did you hear me? 00:16:55.149 --> 00:16:56.638 Now we can hear you. 00:16:56.662 --> 00:16:58.835 Did you hear me before? 00:16:58.859 --> 00:17:00.758 Yes, before we did. 00:17:00.782 --> 00:17:01.796 Thanks. I'm finished. 00:17:01.820 --> 00:17:03.359 Thanks. 00:17:03.383 --> 00:17:04.089 Okay. Well 00:17:04.089 --> 00:17:15.440 thank you then. Operator, the next caller, please. 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.250 And at this time, we have no additional callers for 00:17:18.250 --> 00:17:24.940 the public comment period. 00:17:24.940 --> 00:17:31.240 Okay, Operator. Thank you. 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.650 If there are no more callers on the telephone line, our 00:17:34.650 --> 00:17:37.980 public comment period will now close. Thank you all 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:41.150 for participating. I appreciate it. We will move on 00:17:41.150 --> 00:17:45.289 in our agenda to the agenda changes. These were the 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:48.849 following changes in today's agenda. Item two will 00:17:48.849 --> 00:17:52.980 be held until the December 3, 2020, meeting. Item four 00:17:53.170 --> 00:17:56.680 will be taken up with the regular agenda today. Item 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.569 20 will be held until the December 3, 2020 meeting. 00:18:00.579 --> 00:18:05.670 and item 21 will be held until the November 00:18:05.670 --> 00:18:11.059 19, 2020 meeting. Okay, moving on. We will now take 00:18:11.059 --> 00:18:13.630 up the consent items. Is there a motion? 00:18:13.654 --> 00:18:15.719 so moved 00:18:15.743 --> 00:18:17.660 Second 00:18:17.670 --> 00:18:20.839 it's been moved and seconded. Will the agenda clerk 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:21.972 please call the roll? 00:18:21.996 --> 00:18:23.926 Comissioner Shiroma? 00:18:23.950 --> 00:18:25.074 Aye. 00:18:25.098 --> 00:18:27.307 Commissioner Guzman Aceves? 00:18:27.331 --> 00:18:28.350 Aye. 00:18:28.374 --> 00:18:30.165 Commissioner Randolph. 00:18:30.189 --> 00:18:32.152 Yes 00:18:32.176 --> 00:18:34.937 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 00:18:34.961 --> 00:18:35.944 Yes 00:18:35.968 --> 00:18:37.676 President Batjer? 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:39.059 Yes 00:18:39.069 --> 00:18:43.279 The Consent Agenda has passed unanimously. Thank you 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.329 I believe we have some comments that the Commissioners 00:18:46.329 --> 00:18:49.380 wish to make on various items that were on the Consent 00:18:49.390 --> 00:18:52.079 Agenda. Commissioner Rechtschaffen, I believe you would 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.798 like to comment on item eight. 00:18:54.822 --> 00:18:55.859 Thank you, President 00:18:55.859 --> 00:19:00.609 Batjer, I want to comment on this item which relates 00:19:00.619 --> 00:19:03.019 to the treatment of large thermal energy storage in 00:19:03.019 --> 00:19:07.650 our S-Chop program. Since we can't seem to go in 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:10.400 agenda without having a S-Chip item on to vote on, 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:13.829 I do wanna say in response to the comments we 00:19:13.829 --> 00:19:16.289 heard from Mr Williams and Mr Perkins, I don't know 00:19:16.289 --> 00:19:19.420 if they're still on, that we will try to follow up 00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:22.039 with their program administrator, which sounds like 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.640 a Center for Sustainable Energy in San Diego. And see 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.019 if there's anything that can be done to shorten the 00:19:28.019 --> 00:19:31.009 review time from 6 to 8 months, which it apparently is. 00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:35.420 So thank you for those comments. Today, we approved 00:19:35.430 --> 00:19:40.990 a resolution in a different matter. 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.559 Large scale thermal energy storage had previously received 00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:49.380 incentives through a different PUC program known as 00:19:49.390 --> 00:19:52.660 the Permanent Load Shifting Program, which ended in 00:19:52.660 --> 00:19:56.980 2017, as the name implied was incentives for shifting 00:19:56.980 --> 00:20:00.650 load during different times of the day to make them 00:20:00.660 --> 00:20:04.779 better responsive to grid needs. Large thermal energy 00:20:04.779 --> 00:20:08.680 Storage also qualified for s-chip, however, but until 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.170 now, we have not had an appropriate methodology for 00:20:12.170 --> 00:20:17.049 calculating the performance of the system and also 00:20:17.059 --> 00:20:20.089 for offering an appropriate incentive for these systems. 00:20:20.099 --> 00:20:23.910 We asked the IOUs to resolve this. They came up 00:20:23.910 --> 00:20:28.140 with the proposal. Unfortunately, it was not what we 00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:32.460 were looking for. The resolution now directs the various 00:20:32.470 --> 00:20:37.230 s-chip program administrators to adopt an acceptable 00:20:37.230 --> 00:20:41.069 methodology and gives the systems of fair opportunities 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.980 to achieve extra incentives. And in particular, 00:20:46.069 --> 00:20:49.160 this is important. The incentives will be based on 00:20:49.539 --> 00:20:54.720 actual peak air conditioning load reduction achieved 00:20:54.730 --> 00:20:59.269 at a customer site. Obviously, that is very, very timely 00:21:00.140 --> 00:21:04.470 right now. It means that the program will support projects 00:21:04.470 --> 00:21:07.690 that help reduce summer air conditioning, the summer 00:21:07.690 --> 00:21:12.319 peak. And we don't have to be reminded that 00:21:12.430 --> 00:21:16.490 rolling out, how important this is. If we did, the rolling 00:21:16.490 --> 00:21:19.980 outages this August reminded us how very vital this 00:21:19.980 --> 00:21:23.740 goal is. Thank you. 00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:25.437 Thank you, Commissioner 00:21:25.449 --> 00:21:27.119 Rechtschaffen, for that healthy and helpful 00:21:27.130 --> 00:21:30.990 explanation. Commissioner Guzman Aceves, I believe you would 00:21:30.990 --> 00:21:32.418 like to remark on Item nine. 00:21:32.442 --> 00:21:34.099 Thank you, President 00:21:34.099 --> 00:21:37.599 Batjer. And if I could just comment on Commissioner 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.799 Rechtschaffen's follow up on the public comments and 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.430 I will also ask that you work with the administrators to 00:21:45.430 --> 00:21:49.490 see how they are confirming that these contractors 00:21:49.490 --> 00:21:53.890 are licensed with the CSLB. Thank you. On 00:21:53.890 --> 00:21:57.390 item nine, this is a exciting resolution approving 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.750 one of the CCA s advice letters, Clean Power Alliance, 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.990 which is largely based in Los Angeles to provide, 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:08.579 we're approving advice letter to implement the 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:13.380 community solar advice letter that they submitted 00:22:13.390 --> 00:22:16.839 as well as the disadvantaged community green tariff 00:22:16.849 --> 00:22:21.289 program. And I do want to acknowledge that 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:25.529 the, really, the commitment that clean power 00:22:25.529 --> 00:22:29.039 Alliance has shown to get those program going. They 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.259 did file their advice letter last year at the end of 00:22:32.259 --> 00:22:35.180 last year. But really, I think it shows the tremendous 00:22:35.180 --> 00:22:38.700 amount of progress in a new type of collaboration 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:43.549 with CCAs in some of our more nontraditional programs, 00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:47.730 other than just generation procurement. So it's exciting 00:22:47.730 --> 00:22:50.559 in that regard. I think it also sets a good template 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.890 for other CCAs who are looking to implement the community 00:22:53.890 --> 00:22:58.450 solar and the DAC green tariffs. So I want to thank 00:22:58.460 --> 00:23:01.609 CPA and also acknowledge Southern California Edison 00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:05.839 for working collaboratively with them on a small 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.230 but significant program. And of course, I want to thank 00:23:09.230 --> 00:23:12.589 the Energy Division for getting this approved. Josh 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:16.960 Litwin, Sherry Chan, Nora Hawkins, and Tory Francisco. 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:21.839 Thank you. 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:23.858 Thank you, Commissioner. 00:23:23.870 --> 00:23:25.269 I believe now that Commissioner 00:23:25.269 --> 00:23:29.450 Shiroma would like to make remarks on item 12. 00:23:30.339 --> 00:23:32.486 Yes. Thank you, 00:23:32.498 --> 00:23:34.710 President Batjer. Item 12 is the lifeline 00:23:34.710 --> 00:23:39.619 decision adjusting iFoster pilot in terms of the 00:23:39.630 --> 00:23:44.589 amount of data provided. I want to thank you and all 00:23:44.589 --> 00:23:47.470 of the Commissioners for your support of the decision. 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.089 It provides a critical support for the increased data 00:23:51.089 --> 00:23:56.170 needs of foster youth engaged in distance learning and 00:23:56.740 --> 00:24:00.869 seeking employment and all of those things needed for 00:24:00.869 --> 00:24:04.680 life success, especially during this ongoing pandemic. 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.430 I'm very appreciative of the Lifeline team and communications 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:13.180 division and Judge Wong for being nimble in meeting 00:24:13.180 --> 00:24:16.269 this need as we quickly learned that the participants 00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:21.769 in the iFoster pilot increase their data consumption 00:24:21.769 --> 00:24:26.259 by 2.5 times again during this pandemic. And given that 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.619 the iFoster pilot service foster youth between the 00:24:29.619 --> 00:24:34.180 ages of 13 and 26 years of age, we all know it's 00:24:34.180 --> 00:24:36.910 important to meet these additional data needs at a 00:24:36.910 --> 00:24:39.890 crucial time when teens are transitioning into adulthood 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:44.170 and striving to maintain continuity of education through 00:24:44.170 --> 00:24:48.150 distance learning, acquiring jobs and so forth. Providing 00:24:48.150 --> 00:24:52.069 the supplemental data access should present these young 00:24:52.069 --> 00:24:54.880 people with options again for continued success in 00:24:54.890 --> 00:24:58.640 school, access to those resources to help achieve self 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.970 sufficiency, and successfully transition to independence. 00:25:02.539 --> 00:25:06.220 These efforts bring to mind iFoster launch event that 00:25:06.230 --> 00:25:09.009 I was able to attend with Commissioner Guzman Aceves 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:13.400 almost a year ago in Los Angeles, that operated 00:25:13.410 --> 00:25:17.319 as a resource fair. It was very insightful to see. 00:25:17.329 --> 00:25:21.670 The fair sought to inform and educate L. A county transition 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:26.069 age foster youth, and to talk about the county 00:25:26.069 --> 00:25:29.509 and local education opportunities, employment openings, 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.299 daily living skills and health and wellness resources. 00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:37.200 Tthese are the kinds of things that many families 00:25:37.210 --> 00:25:41.160 almost take for granted in growing up in a household 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.309 But for foster youth that that's not necessarily 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.809 there. In terms of the overall support to them. 00:25:47.809 --> 00:25:50.569 Resources teach valuable life skills to foster youth 00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:53.890 We recognize that keeping them connected during these 00:25:53.890 --> 00:25:57.579 trying times is of utmost importance. All that 00:25:57.579 --> 00:25:59.819 said, I hope to thank you again for your support of 00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:03.930 this decision in assisting our foster youth. Thank 00:26:03.930 --> 00:26:04.306 you. 00:26:04.330 --> 00:26:08.500 Thank you, Commissioner. All right, we will now 00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:13.490 move on to our regular agenda items. We first have 00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:17.720 item number four. And that is going to be presented 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.069 by our Acting Executive Director Peterson. 00:26:25.940 --> 00:26:29.990 Good morning, Commissioners. This is Rachel Peterson. 00:26:29.990 --> 00:26:31.688 Just the sound check. Can you hear me? 00:26:31.712 --> 00:26:33.299 Yes, we can 00:26:33.309 --> 00:26:37.259 Perfectly, very, very good. Thanks, President Batjer 00:26:37.269 --> 00:26:41.069 Good morning. Rachel Peterson, Acting Executive 00:26:41.069 --> 00:26:44.650 Director. And thank you very much for the opportunity 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:48.109 to present the proposed enforcement policy to you 00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:51.549 today. If we could go ahead to the next slide, please. 00:26:55.339 --> 00:26:59.960 And the next. Thank you. All right, so this is coming 00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:05.970 to you as proposed Resolution M4846. And as you all 00:27:05.970 --> 00:27:09.440 know, it was vetted in the Policy and Governance Committee 00:27:09.450 --> 00:27:13.710 with two rounds of stakeholder comments. It builds 00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:16.950 on past work in which we have asked ourselves some 00:27:16.950 --> 00:27:20.920 hard questions about whether our enforcement is acting 00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:24.450 as a meaningful deterrent to these utilities we regulate. 00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:29.180 For example, when we called for the Independent Review 00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:32.859 following the San Bruno explosion and tragedy, 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.980 we asked ourselves these questions during 00:27:36.980 --> 00:27:39.769 and after are numerous enforcement actions against 00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:43.200 PG&E in the past decade. And then thought about 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.950 them again during consideration of our strategic directive 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:52.980 in 2015 on enforcement and compliance. So those 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:56.059 are a lot of the predecessors to what's before you today. 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.319 The core of the policy is to set out principles that 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.460 guide our enforcement activities across the Commission. 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:08.019 Our enforcement work right now is highly diversified 00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:11.960 and spread around many divisions within the Commission. 00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:16.049 Just our citation programs alone, which are one element 00:28:16.049 --> 00:28:20.710 of enforcement, show that diversity. We have 34 approved 00:28:20.710 --> 00:28:24.589 and active citation programs spanning our staff's work 00:28:24.589 --> 00:28:27.970 across all regulated industries. To give you just a 00:28:27.970 --> 00:28:31.269 few examples, we have citation programs to ensure the 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:35.480 safety of electric infrastructure, gas infrastructure, 00:28:35.490 --> 00:28:39.240 to protect consumers against slamming by telecommunications 00:28:39.250 --> 00:28:43.650 carriers, to ensure fair and transparent sales practices 00:28:43.660 --> 00:28:47.299 by core transport agents, the operating safety of 00:28:47.299 --> 00:28:51.039 passenger transportation carriers, the 00:28:51.049 --> 00:28:54.869 safety of mobile home park gas systems, and compliance 00:28:54.869 --> 00:28:58.130 with both the renewables portfolio standard and our 00:28:58.130 --> 00:29:02.170 resource adequacy program. So as you can see from that 00:29:02.170 --> 00:29:05.890 list, staff are monitoring a wide range of activities 00:29:05.890 --> 00:29:09.279 in the marketplace and applying a wide range of rules 00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:12.759 that have been adopted by the Commission. There is 00:29:12.769 --> 00:29:16.569 certainly variation in our enforcement practices, and 00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:19.579 so one purpose of setting out the principles 00:29:19.579 --> 00:29:23.819 and tools in this policy is to achieve greater consistency 00:29:23.829 --> 00:29:27.069 among all the divisions and staff teams who are charged 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.849 with enforcement in all those multiple ways. And so 00:29:30.849 --> 00:29:34.730 ultimately, as this slide says, our aim for the public 00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:38.269 is to promote, use the policy to promote the highest 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:42.109 level of compliance by all regulated entities and thereby 00:29:42.109 --> 00:29:46.369 serve and protect Californians. The next slide, please. 00:29:51.339 --> 00:29:54.690 So this slide shows the set of principles that 00:29:54.700 --> 00:29:58.599 were developed within the Policy and Governance 00:29:58.609 --> 00:30:03.869 Committee process for our enforcement. I will say 00:30:03.869 --> 00:30:06.990 that as a manager and director inside the Commission, 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.809 I am in constant conversation with the Enforcement 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:15.779 teams that are in my portfolio about questions like 00:30:15.789 --> 00:30:18.650 what are we trying to accomplish here and what is our 00:30:18.650 --> 00:30:23.119 end goal? And so having this set of principles gives 00:30:23.130 --> 00:30:26.960 all of us the tools to have those conversations around 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:32.029 a common set of ideas and values, and we ensure, again, 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.039 that our enforcement work is grounded in something 00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:38.450 that all of us share. I just want to speak briefly 00:30:38.450 --> 00:30:42.460 to a couple of these. The first one about ensuring 00:30:42.460 --> 00:30:45.930 compliance is probably, in my view, the most important, 00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.269 especially for the public, since we're a regulatory 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.869 agency and the rules that the Commission has adopted 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.180 in numerous marketplaces have been adopted for a reason. 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:01.250 That is to ensure that Californians receive safe 00:31:01.250 --> 00:31:04.529 and reliable services from the regulated entities under 00:31:04.529 --> 00:31:08.069 our jurisdiction and are protected from entities that 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.059 fail to comply with those rules. I also just want to 00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:14.720 call out the principle of promoting enforcement of 00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.849 statutes under our jurisdiction to ensure fair treatment 00:31:18.859 --> 00:31:22.779 across people of all races, cultures and income levels 00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:25.980 and tailoring our enforcement responses to address 00:31:25.990 --> 00:31:28.849 the needs of vulnerable and disadvantaged communities. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.890 This flows directly from our environmental and social 00:31:32.890 --> 00:31:37.839 justice action plan. And then last one that I view 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.440 is important as a director as well is the principle 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.750 of adaptive management. We know there are constantly 00:31:44.750 --> 00:31:48.160 new markets and utility business practices 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.529 out there, and our staff must be constantly thinking 00:31:51.529 --> 00:31:55.339 about consumer protection and how to design and propose 00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:59.599 to you new enforcement programs or work with the agencies 00:31:59.609 --> 00:32:03.279 that have more direct jurisdictions to achieve that 00:32:03.289 --> 00:32:06.240 protection. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:11.039 Alright, last slide, please. 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.890 Alright, this slide just described the core elements 00:32:13.890 --> 00:32:17.990 of the policy and I just wanna give you an 00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:21.569 initial sense of how we're at work planning for implementation. 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.920 I've been working internally to lay the groundwork 00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:27.450 so that we can achieve the elements of the enforcement 00:32:27.450 --> 00:32:31.480 policy, including identifying leaders for the agency 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.200 wide enforcement team. We'll maintain the enforcement 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.619 page on our website that has already been started in 00:32:38.619 --> 00:32:40.829 order to make sure that we're transparent about what 00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:44.009 we're doing. And we've begun work on the templates 00:32:44.019 --> 00:32:47.970 for the enforcement tools that are set out in the policy. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.859 There is a very significant knowledge sharing and training 00:32:51.859 --> 00:32:56.920 element to implementing this agency wide, especially 00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.289 in areas such as how we maintain the appropriate and 00:33:00.289 --> 00:33:04.230 required firewalls between staff who are working in 00:33:04.230 --> 00:33:07.660 advocacy roles on an important matter and those who 00:33:07.660 --> 00:33:11.549 are working in advisory roles. So thank you for your 00:33:11.549 --> 00:33:14.829 attention to this. Thank you very much to Commissioners 00:33:14.829 --> 00:33:18.079 Rechtschaffen and Randolph who really brought it before 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.319 the Policy and Governance Committee and brought it 00:33:20.329 --> 00:33:25.400 to this point. I'm very personally excited about 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.240 this, and I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.069 Thank you, Rachel, very much for that wonderful 00:33:34.069 --> 00:33:36.630 presentation. And I want to add my words of thanks 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.859 also to Commission Recthschaffen and Randolph for this 00:33:39.869 --> 00:33:43.559 terrific amount of work and effort and thoughtful, 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:48.740 conclusions. So thank you. Are there any questions 00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:52.940 of Executive Director Peterson? 00:33:52.940 --> 00:33:56.740 Yes, Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 00:33:56.740 --> 00:33:58.860 No questions. 00:33:58.872 --> 00:34:00.519 Some comments. If I can, President 00:34:00.529 --> 00:34:04.599 Batjer. I wanna thank Acting Director Peterson for 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.470 her very thoughtful remarks, and overview, and thank 00:34:07.470 --> 00:34:10.539 her for the support she's provided and leadership she's 00:34:10.539 --> 00:34:13.630 provided for the policy, both in her current role and 00:34:13.630 --> 00:34:17.639 in her role as director of the Safety and Enforcement 00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:21.659 division. I want to give just a little bit more context 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.570 and give them thank you for the people who have worked 00:34:24.570 --> 00:34:29.199 so hard in preparing this. Just a reminder, folks. 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:34.460 We initiated this agency wide enforcement policy in 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:40.170 2018 with President Picker to ensure that our staff 00:34:40.179 --> 00:34:44.980 have the tools and the resources necessary for effective 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:48.960 compliance and enforcement programs. And as acting director 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:54.030 Peterson indicated, this builds on many existing enforcement 00:34:54.030 --> 00:34:57.880 practices. However, we wanted at the end of the day 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.369 to adopt a formal policy that pulls these practices 00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:07.269 together and that provides clear guidance, uniformity 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:11.369 and transparency from these efforts. As Director Peterson 00:35:11.369 --> 00:35:15.869 noted, they take place over a broad range of industries. 00:35:16.539 --> 00:35:21.289 Many other regulatory agencies have such formal 00:35:21.289 --> 00:35:26.349 policies. As Director Peterson also noted, prior to 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.559 issuing this policy for public comment, we went through 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.670 a couple of rounds of meetings and comments with our 00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:35.170 Policy and Governance Committee. We've received comments 00:35:35.179 --> 00:35:39.090 from a range of stakeholders, including regulated entities 00:35:39.099 --> 00:35:43.199 in the energy sector, telecommunications and transportation 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.690 industry, as well as from the attorney general's 00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:50.849 office, and others, all of which we've taken into account 00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:55.570 in finalizing the policy. I'd like to in particular 00:35:55.570 --> 00:35:58.469 thank the California Attorney General's office in their 00:35:58.469 --> 00:36:01.730 comments for highlighting the importance of interagency 00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:06.539 coordination in our efforts and their specific recommendation 00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:10.690 for how to operationalize the goal of this policy to 00:36:10.690 --> 00:36:12.789 make sure that it's consistent with our environmental 00:36:12.789 --> 00:36:16.429 justice and social justice plan. I 00:36:16.429 --> 00:36:19.489 wanna acknowledge that some of our regulatory agencies 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:23.809 continue to raise concerns about our legal authority 00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:27.920 and in particular authority to delegate enforcement 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:34.670 authority to staff. Even when the proposed action requires 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.159 review and approval by the Commission. There's a couple 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.230 of new enforcement tools that give staff additional 00:36:41.230 --> 00:36:45.030 flexibility. The parties continue to raise legal concerns 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.320 over them. We've looked at these very, very carefully 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.460 and we believe we're on very solid ground here and 00:36:52.460 --> 00:36:56.449 moving forward. The policy today is the culmination 00:36:56.449 --> 00:36:59.230 of, as I said, about 2.5 years of staff work during 00:36:59.230 --> 00:37:03.510 an extremely busy time for the agency with input from 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.860 many people. I want to start off by acknowledging the 00:37:06.860 --> 00:37:10.630 extraordinary efforts of my chief of staff, Shaun Simon, 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.360 who spearheaded this effort from start to finish. He 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.320 wasn't supposed to. He was gonna be a coordinator, advisor, 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.679 this or that. But in the end, Sean was the one who 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.630 organized it from the beginning to end and did a great 00:37:22.630 --> 00:37:25.360 job doing it. While I had the pleasure of having a 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.989 Amy Chumarty, who's the director of CAB, in my office 00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.989 She also did a lot of work, including setting up our 00:37:30.989 --> 00:37:34.230 enforcement Web page, but there was a lot of additional 00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:37.559 work at the staff level, initially led by April McQueen, 00:37:37.929 --> 00:37:42.550 Miriam Epke, James Ralph. We benefited greatly from 00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:45.519 a retired, formerly with the attorney general's 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.219 office and who had represented multiple state agencies 00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:52.190 including the Air Board, the Water Board, and Cal Fire. 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:56.289 Denise Hoffman. She helped develop the specific policy 00:37:56.300 --> 00:38:00.159 along with Jason Rieger from our legal division. 00:38:00.170 --> 00:38:02.860 Denise had all this experience, and Jason is just an 00:38:02.860 --> 00:38:06.409 encyclopedia and all things PUC. We're very grateful 00:38:06.409 --> 00:38:10.010 for the two of them having the pen to draft this policy 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.809 They had support from Deidre Ciprion. And they led a 00:38:12.809 --> 00:38:16.269 very collaborative process that involves staff across 00:38:16.269 --> 00:38:20.230 the agency developing the policy. And I know that at 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:22.880 least as long as they're involved in this they'll do an 00:38:22.889 --> 00:38:26.010 equally excellent job helping with the implementation 00:38:26.010 --> 00:38:31.119 that Director Peterson mentioned. I also wanna 00:38:31.130 --> 00:38:35.650 thank other staff across our divisions. Ed Goldovsky, 00:38:36.019 --> 00:38:40.329 Amy Kikuda, Helen Excevage, Administrative Law 00:38:40.329 --> 00:38:46.230 Judges Ann, Simon, Colbert, and Mason. Reed Palmer, Jeanette 00:38:46.230 --> 00:38:51.530 Low. Doug Veto, Can Bruno, Jeff Chasmar, Rob Osborne. 00:38:51.710 --> 00:38:55.750 Jonathan Lackritz, Lina Hernandez. Selena Wayne 00:38:56.130 --> 00:39:00.679 and Jen Calfort. I appreciate the support of Commissioner 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:03.000 Randolph and her staff on the Policy and Govermenance 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:06.829 Committee. I also greatly appreciate the support from 00:39:06.829 --> 00:39:10.769 President Batjer and her adviser Brian Corepics helping 00:39:10.780 --> 00:39:14.170 in the separate partnership we had on the enforcement 00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:18.539 policy. Also, our general counsel, always argue, 00:39:18.550 --> 00:39:22.300 all of folks put a lot of time and effort in to 00:39:22.309 --> 00:39:26.880 developing this policy. With that, I strongly support 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.340 the policy and look forward to its implementation. 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.929 Thank you very much, Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 00:39:33.929 --> 00:39:37.320 That was very, very helpful. Along with Director Peterson's 00:39:37.329 --> 00:39:40.280 presentation. Are there any other comments 00:39:40.289 --> 00:39:45.019 on item four? Yes, Commissioner Randolph? 00:39:45.019 --> 00:39:48.309 Thank you, President Batjer. I just wanted to thank 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.559 Commissioner Rechtschaffen for all the work in shepherding 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:55.800 this policy. As you mentioned, this has been a lot 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.570 of work in a long time in the making, starting 00:39:59.579 --> 00:40:02.400 back in the days when President Picker was here. So 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.679 we really appreciate all the work pulling this together 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.400 and I think it's important to note that this 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:14.369 really sets forth a a framework and will provide 00:40:14.369 --> 00:40:17.409 some direction and consistency. But at the end of the 00:40:17.409 --> 00:40:20.389 day, every enforcement cases gonna have different facts 00:40:20.389 --> 00:40:25.599 and different sort of tactical approaches 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.389 from the Commission. And as long as we keep keep 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.800 those approaches consistent at a high level. We 00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:39.849 may end up choosing different sort of processes 00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:43.179 and outcomes. And I know in some of the comments 00:40:43.190 --> 00:40:45.090 there were some questions about well, you know, are 00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:47.059 getting you going to use this type of tool or that 00:40:47.059 --> 00:40:50.840 type of tool? And I just wanted to make sure that 00:40:51.210 --> 00:40:54.039 everyone understands that are existing citation 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.710 programs remain in effect. We will undoubtedly adopt 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.039 new citation programs over time. But we hope to 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.690 do it all under the umbrella of this high level of 00:41:04.699 --> 00:41:09.679 staff coordination and consistency around the principal 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.650 articulated in the enforcement policy. So thank you 00:41:14.650 --> 00:41:17.090 again, Commissioner Rechtschaffen for all your work. 00:41:17.090 --> 00:41:19.812 And I'm very happy to support this resolution. 00:41:19.836 --> 00:41:21.440 Thank 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.340 you, Commissioner Randolph. Yes, Commissioner Shiroma? 00:41:26.409 --> 00:41:29.429 Thank you, President Batjer. I strongly support our 00:41:29.429 --> 00:41:35.309 adoption of this enforcement policy resolution. I think 00:41:35.309 --> 00:41:40.550 it's important for us to really know what our knowledge 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.820 base is across the Commission, have a means to maintain 00:41:45.829 --> 00:41:49.559 that access to that knowledge base in our enforcement 00:41:49.570 --> 00:41:52.730 actions, and for staff across the divisions to be able 00:41:52.730 --> 00:41:56.409 to leverage and learn from each other's experience. 00:41:56.420 --> 00:42:01.989 It will only make our efforts stronger. I found 00:42:01.989 --> 00:42:04.519 the attorney general's comments to be very thought 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:09.289 provoking. I think their recommendation for a legal 00:42:09.289 --> 00:42:13.760 analysis would be very worthwhile in terms of 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.280 the supplemental environmental projects in disadvantaged 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:22.199 communities and low income communities in our settlement 00:42:22.210 --> 00:42:26.429 efforts, you know. And I think that 00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:32.480 follow on analysis would be in concert with our environmental 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.130 and social justice plan that we have adopted for ourselves. 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.800 So a big thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen, Commissioner 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.239 Randolph, appreciate the early efforts of President 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.849 Picker and to Acting Director Peterson and the whole 00:42:49.849 --> 00:42:54.550 team. Just a tremendous team for all the work that 00:42:54.550 --> 00:42:58.400 went into this effort. Thank you. 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.044 Thank you, Commissioner 00:43:00.056 --> 00:43:01.599 Shiroma. Yes, Commissioner Aceves? Guzman 00:43:01.610 --> 00:43:02.616 Aceves. Excuse me. 00:43:02.640 --> 00:43:05.750 Thank you, President Batjer, I saw 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.320 Commissioner Rechtschaffen wanted to respond to something there. 00:43:10.699 --> 00:43:12.214 If I could just 00:43:12.226 --> 00:43:13.719 respond very quickly. Thank you, Commissioner 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:18.199 Guzman Aceves, Commissioner Shiroma's comment on the supplemental 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.690 environmental project issue. That is something that 00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:24.519 this team has been looking at and actually had drafted 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.750 an early version of that. At one point, we're gonna 00:43:27.750 --> 00:43:30.800 make part of the policy, but we just didn't have enough 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.980 time to finish that. So that is definitely one of the 00:43:33.980 --> 00:43:37.199 items for future implementation already being worked 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.800 on. 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.341 That's great. 00:43:41.353 --> 00:43:42.730 I know that some of our sister agencies 00:43:42.739 --> 00:43:44.889 have been able to do tremendous amount of work with 00:43:44.900 --> 00:43:48.289 those, both on the individual level and as the 00:43:48.289 --> 00:43:51.539 aggregate, especially at the Environmental Protection 00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:57.889 Agency. Well, I also wanna thank Commissioner 00:43:57.889 --> 00:44:01.849 Rechtschaffen and Commissioner Randolph and Acting Director 00:44:01.849 --> 00:44:05.730 Peterson. I know, Sean Simon also, has spent so much 00:44:05.730 --> 00:44:10.030 time on this issue briefing all of us at our committee 00:44:10.030 --> 00:44:14.599 meetings and all the amount we received from the public 00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:20.730 to really get us at this point. And it's a really, a 00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:23.670 really great thing to be acknowledging the role that 00:44:23.670 --> 00:44:27.070 enforcing our laws and how important that just basic 00:44:27.070 --> 00:44:30.820 fundamental role is and having these guiding principles. 00:44:31.289 --> 00:44:35.630 I think Director Peterson said it really well in terms 00:44:35.630 --> 00:44:38.219 of highlighting some of the critical ones which are 00:44:38.889 --> 00:44:42.980 ensuring compliance, ensuring that our racial disparity, 00:44:42.980 --> 00:44:46.230 our cultural impacts, and particularly with disadvantaged 00:44:46.230 --> 00:44:50.260 communities, are a priority, a guiding principle in 00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:55.539 our enforcement. I think that we have just interestingly 00:44:55.539 --> 00:44:58.750 enough in this moment that we're in with our agendas, 00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:03.280 I know we have a proposal before us on compliance for 00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.400 the utilities to comply with a new net energy metering 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.380 interconnection application requirements. And so I 00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:13.340 do look forward in our next voting meeting, I know 00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:16.300 there's been some discussions with all of you to make 00:45:16.309 --> 00:45:21.360 that citation program work, and I think it's just 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.639 one of these critical elements where we're talking about 00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:28.349 enforcing our existing rules and ensuring that, as 00:45:28.349 --> 00:45:32.639 we know, with this program and the disproportionate impact 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.420 it's having with Spanish speaking low income customers 00:45:35.420 --> 00:45:38.829 in our state, that we're taking this moment to implement 00:45:38.829 --> 00:45:43.619 this policy with citation programs like this citation 00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:48.079 program. So and finally, I just wanted to really 00:45:48.090 --> 00:45:53.750 ask Director Peterman in her implementation 00:45:53.750 --> 00:45:57.269 of the policy to really look at the tremendous 00:45:57.269 --> 00:46:01.420 role of CAB. And I know Commissioner Rechtschaffen mentioned 00:46:01.429 --> 00:46:04.809 Amy's new role as the director there, which is 00:46:04.820 --> 00:46:09.530 very fortunate. When, you know, one of my first 00:46:09.530 --> 00:46:12.420 visits with some of the CAB folks, they highlighted 00:46:12.429 --> 00:46:15.599 some of these critical issues from the core transportation 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.690 aggregation, you know, consumer issues that are 00:46:18.690 --> 00:46:22.320 happening there and continue to happen there. And 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.889 all the great turnaround that UEV has done in 00:46:25.889 --> 00:46:29.949 really hampering those actors. And now they also, of 00:46:29.949 --> 00:46:32.929 course, highlighted the issue with the NEM customers. 00:46:32.929 --> 00:46:36.869 And so I really do see CAB as our, you know, they are our 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.320 front line. They are in touch with our customers and 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.309 really having reflecting in that policy and how 00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:47.949 we really do need to have more continuous touchpoints 00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:51.980 with them as all of our divisions leads through 00:46:51.980 --> 00:46:55.409 this policy and this program implementation really 00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:59.889 have continued touch words with CAB to ensure that our 00:46:59.889 --> 00:47:02.800 policies are staying in touch with the real needs of 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.210 our customers. So thank you for that consider, and 00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:08.380 thank you so much for all the hard work to get to 00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:12.780 this point. 00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:15.239 Thank you, Commissioner Guzman Aceves.Are there 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.389 any other comments on item number four? Okay, seeing none 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.159 will the agenda clerk please call the roll? 00:47:23.183 --> 00:47:25.397 Commissioner Shiroma. 00:47:25.421 --> 00:47:26.578 Aye 00:47:26.602 --> 00:47:28.636 Commissioner Guzman Aceves 00:47:28.660 --> 00:47:29.848 Aye 00:47:29.872 --> 00:47:31.707 Commissioner Randolph. 00:47:31.731 --> 00:47:33.206 Yes 00:47:33.230 --> 00:47:35.105 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 00:47:35.129 --> 00:47:36.343 Yes 00:47:36.367 --> 00:47:38.041 President Batjer? 00:47:38.065 --> 00:47:42.320 Yes. With that, Item 4 is passed unanimously. 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.739 Again, thank you very much, Executive Director, Acting 00:47:45.739 --> 00:47:47.909 Executive Director Peterson, for your presentation. 00:47:47.909 --> 00:47:51.730 Thank you. Right now we're moving on to item 19 and 00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:58.360 I'm going to asked that 19 and 19A be taken up 00:47:58.369 --> 00:48:02.269 together. I'm going to turn to, we will, of course, 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.090 have to vote on them separately, butthey could be 00:48:05.090 --> 00:48:09.909 discussed together. And so I'm going to return to Commissioner 00:48:09.909 --> 00:48:13.630 Randolph, first to discuss 19, and then following that, 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.021 to discuss 19A. Commissioner Randolph? 00:48:17.045 --> 00:48:18.570 All right. Thank 00:48:18.570 --> 00:48:22.650 you very much, President Batjer. I am gonna be 00:48:22.650 --> 00:48:25.880 introducing both of these decisions, and I'm going 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.360 to explain why I am supporting the alternate. The first 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.789 decision would maintain the status quo in continuing 00:48:33.789 --> 00:48:36.849 the energy, I'm sorry, concerning the efficiency savings 00:48:36.849 --> 00:48:40.650 and performance incentive, or SP program, until such 00:48:40.650 --> 00:48:43.809 time as issues related to energy efficiency potential 00:48:43.809 --> 00:48:47.019 and goal setting have been resolved at the beginning 00:48:47.019 --> 00:48:50.199 of next year. The alternate decision, on the other 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.889 hand, would impose a moratorium on SB award payments 00:48:53.900 --> 00:48:58.849 to the IOUs, beginning with the 2021 program year 00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:03.070 earnings claim. These two decisions represent divergent 00:49:03.070 --> 00:49:05.840 views on the Commission's continued use of ratepayer 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.190 funds and incentive tools to promote energy efficiency 00:49:09.190 --> 00:49:13.030 resource savings through SB. The Commission adopted 00:49:13.030 --> 00:49:17.110 the SB mechanism in 2013, after earlier versions had 00:49:17.110 --> 00:49:21.230 been tried and replaced or discontinued. The first 00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:24.219 mechanism that shared energy efficiency savings between 00:49:24.219 --> 00:49:27.489 ratepayers and shareholders dates back to the 1990s. 00:49:28.369 --> 00:49:31.219 Over the next decade, the Commission began to introduce 00:49:31.219 --> 00:49:34.360 performance milestones as part of an effort to delink 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.710 shareholder profits from the measurement of energy 00:49:37.070 --> 00:49:40.900 efficiency savings. Then, in the early 2000s 00:49:41.269 --> 00:49:44.170 we discontinued energy efficiency shareholder incentives 00:49:44.170 --> 00:49:47.449 except for low income programs. But we continued 00:49:47.449 --> 00:49:50.090 to make energy efficiency and demand response the 00:49:50.090 --> 00:49:53.289 highest priority resources for IOUs to procure 00:49:53.300 --> 00:49:56.340 and we developed sophisticated protocols to hold the 00:49:56.340 --> 00:49:59.030 IOU's accountable for energy efficiency program 00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:03.590 results. In 2007, we resumed the use of shareholder 00:50:03.590 --> 00:50:07.210 incentives through the energy efficiency risk reward 00:50:07.219 --> 00:50:10.610 incentive mechanism. But we determined that this program 00:50:10.610 --> 00:50:13.690 did not perform to expectations, so we replaced it 00:50:13.690 --> 00:50:18.349 with SB in 2013. With SB, we have sought to motivate 00:50:18.349 --> 00:50:21.949 IOUs to prioritize energy efficiency while also 00:50:21.949 --> 00:50:25.300 protecting ratepayers financial investment by ensuring 00:50:25.300 --> 00:50:28.599 that the savings were real and verified in a transparent 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.760 process. As the energy efficiency market and the state's 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.320 policy goals have evolved over time, so too has the 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.639 Commission strategy regarding whether and how ratepayer 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.000 funds should be used to promote energy efficiency savings 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.440 With this in mind, I believe that it's important from 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.239 time to time, but we take a fresh look at our instead 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.389 of mechanism, as we have in the past. In this case, 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:57.150 SB. Given the burden on ratepayers. Which brings us 00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.780 to today's decision. A lot has changed over the last 00:51:00.789 --> 00:51:03.960 few years and energy efficiency policy specifically 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.119 regarding the role of utilities. A significant portion 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.019 of the portfolio is now administered on a statewide 00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:13.360 basis, with third parties responsible for designing 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.289 and implementing increasing shares of the total energy 00:51:16.289 --> 00:51:20.570 efficiency budget. By the end of 2022, each IOU 00:51:20.570 --> 00:51:23.699 is required to outsource at least 60% of its portfolio 00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:27.449 to third parties. As this management structure shift 00:51:27.460 --> 00:51:31.050 it creates a growing disconnect between SD awards and 00:51:31.050 --> 00:51:34.510 an individual utilities ability to influence the savings 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.659 it achieved through its program. And this calls into 00:51:37.659 --> 00:51:40.400 question whether SB awards are still an appropriate 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.769 and effective tool to motivate IOU performance. We posed 00:51:44.780 --> 00:51:48.449 this question to parties earlier this year. Although 00:51:48.449 --> 00:51:51.000 there is evidence that energy savings measures 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.300 have increased somewhat since SB was adopted, the 00:51:54.300 --> 00:51:57.449 extent to which SB itself influenced those changes 00:51:57.460 --> 00:52:01.260 remains unproven. I do not believe the burden of proof 00:52:01.260 --> 00:52:04.230 has been met to justify continued need for ratepayer 00:52:04.230 --> 00:52:07.780 funding of SB Awards, and that's why I am supporting 00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:12.449 the alternative. While it is true, as the decision continuing 00:52:12.449 --> 00:52:16.780 SB contends, the IOUs still play a critical role in program 00:52:16.780 --> 00:52:19.949 design and performance to meet adopted savings goals 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.090 and cost effectiveness threshold. I do not believe 00:52:23.090 --> 00:52:25.989 that bearing this responsibility inherently justifies 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.889 a need for SB awards. The Commission does not typically 00:52:29.889 --> 00:52:33.039 award incentive earnings to IOUs for other essential 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.530 regulatory responsibilities. Moreover, the payments 00:52:37.530 --> 00:52:40.159 divert resources from the energy efficiency programs 00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:45.070 themselves and reduce overall portfolio cost effectiveness. 00:52:45.650 --> 00:52:49.230 Our expectation in adopting SB was that by focusing 00:52:49.230 --> 00:52:52.269 on cost effective, longer life measures, the IOU 00:52:52.269 --> 00:52:55.369 portfolios could achieve the higher savings associated 00:52:55.369 --> 00:52:58.980 with targeted net to growth ratios. But it's unclear 00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:01.980 whether those improvements have really materialized 00:53:02.949 --> 00:53:06.510 Therefore, I believe it is reasonable and prudent to impose 00:53:06.510 --> 00:53:09.760 a moratorium on SB awards, as I mentioned, effective 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:16.500 with the 2021 program year, and revisit the question 00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:19.769 of incentive programs, whether they be structured like 00:53:19.780 --> 00:53:24.250 SB or in other forms. After we consider some current 00:53:24.250 --> 00:53:28.030 proposals to transition to a four-year portfolio filing 00:53:28.030 --> 00:53:31.519 process from our current 10-year process, as well as 00:53:31.530 --> 00:53:35.900 to address potential policy changes related to energy 00:53:35.900 --> 00:53:40.250 efficiency, potential and goal setting. 00:53:40.250 --> 00:53:44.590 I would like to add my thanks to my advisor, Jason 00:53:44.590 --> 00:53:48.570 Orgo, and my chief of staff, Christine Powell. Energy 00:53:48.570 --> 00:53:52.059 Division staff led by Jennifer Caliphate and her excellent 00:53:52.059 --> 00:53:56.900 team. ALJ division, including Tom Pulsipher and, most 00:53:56.900 --> 00:54:01.010 importantly, ALJ Julie Fitch. She has long experience 00:54:01.010 --> 00:54:04.789 in this area and has exhibited her usual sound judgment 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.769 in analyzing these issues. It is very rare that Julie 00:54:08.769 --> 00:54:11.639 and I come out on the opposite side of an issue, but 00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.289 I never doubt that she has given it careful thought 00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:18.019 and consideration. But with that, I asked for my fellow 00:54:18.019 --> 00:54:22.539 Commissioners support for the alternative. 00:54:22.539 --> 00:54:25.420 Okay, thank you so much. Commissioner Randolph for 00:54:25.420 --> 00:54:29.619 that very thorough explanation of both Item 19 and 00:54:29.630 --> 00:54:36.710 Item 19A. Are there any comments on 19 and 19A? And 00:54:36.710 --> 00:54:39.349 if you could please underscore what you're commenting 00:54:39.349 --> 00:54:43.110 on. From the Commissioners. Ah, yes. Commissioner 00:54:43.110 --> 00:54:44.749 Shiroma? 00:54:44.773 --> 00:54:51.239 Yes. Thank you. So I'm in support of 19A. 00:54:51.250 --> 00:54:56.090 Commissioner Randolph's alternate proposed decision 00:54:56.940 --> 00:55:00.030 and with great respect. 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.719 for Judge Fitch, who we are continued to work with on 00:55:05.730 --> 00:55:09.730 all kinds of important and essential proceedings in 00:55:09.730 --> 00:55:14.550 the energy efficiency arena, in energy financing arena, 00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:21.969 for all people. And, I echo what Commissioner Randolph 00:55:21.969 --> 00:55:29.730 has said about the two decisions and amplify or reiterate 00:55:29.739 --> 00:55:36.799 that, you know, the SB mechanism was put in place when 00:55:36.810 --> 00:55:41.060 the program was substantially administered by the 00:55:41.060 --> 00:55:46.719 utilities. Now we are going through some significant 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:53.189 changes. And we are requiring that the utilities 00:55:53.200 --> 00:55:59.780 go to 60% of the portfolio being pushed through a 00:55:59.789 --> 00:56:03.829 third party energy efficiency administrators rather 00:56:03.829 --> 00:56:07.670 than the utilities themselves. It is a multi year process 00:56:08.040 --> 00:56:11.500 we're looking for spurring innovation, transformation 00:56:11.500 --> 00:56:15.659 It's a big change that was voted out 00:56:16.040 --> 00:56:20.200 in this program, so as we're going through that 00:56:20.200 --> 00:56:24.409 reevaluation and as we identify our energy efficiency 00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:27.590 potential and goals, it's a significant undertaking, 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.650 looking at the resource portfolio, the cost effectiveness, 00:56:32.040 --> 00:56:35.340 dovetailing energy efficiency more closely with the 00:56:35.349 --> 00:56:39.090 integrated resource plan, reevaluation the metrics, 00:56:39.099 --> 00:56:42.870 that are being used to evaluate the overall effectiveness 00:56:42.870 --> 00:56:47.859 and performance, and a such I do see the moratorium 00:56:48.340 --> 00:56:53.209 on the SB program in terms of the shareholder piece 00:56:53.209 --> 00:56:57.230 of this is a necessary pause as we implement these 00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:01.469 changes, that we look at what really drives the effectiveness 00:57:01.939 --> 00:57:08.379 of the program and the alternate allows the 00:57:08.389 --> 00:57:12.240 SB claims that are in progress now to proceed. This 00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:17.460 proposal would start for 2021 beyond. And through 00:57:17.460 --> 00:57:22.590 that effort, we have a chance to revisit SB, just 00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:26.469 overall, again, towards determining the effectiveness 00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:30.129 of the program and how we have constructed the program. 00:57:30.129 --> 00:57:34.900 So I'll be supporting 19A. The alternate. Thank 00:57:34.900 --> 00:57:35.445 you. 00:57:35.469 --> 00:57:36.871 Thank you, 00:57:36.883 --> 00:57:38.909 Commissioner Shiroma. Another Commissioner 00:57:39.069 --> 00:57:43.879 to comment? Okay, I would just like to add my thanks 00:57:43.889 --> 00:57:47.289 to Commissioner Randolph or her. I'm sorry, Commissioner 00:57:47.300 --> 00:57:49.102 Guzman Aceves, did you have your hand up? 00:57:49.126 --> 00:57:51.520 Yeah, but go ahead 00:57:51.530 --> 00:57:53.914 You go ahead, please 00:57:53.938 --> 00:57:57.360 Okay. Well, I think 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.860 it's somewhat related to our last topic on enforcing 00:58:00.860 --> 00:58:04.250 our policies. And I found some of the arguments by 00:58:04.250 --> 00:58:07.210 the utilities in particular to be a bit of a stretch 00:58:07.210 --> 00:58:12.319 and maybe more antiquated of an approach to to implementing 00:58:12.319 --> 00:58:15.360 some of our programs. As Commissioner Randolph has 00:58:15.370 --> 00:58:20.169 said, we don't need to incentivize people with bonuses 00:58:20.180 --> 00:58:24.379 for complying with the law, and more recently, you know, 00:58:24.379 --> 00:58:29.129 with SB250 and SB100, and including, but SB250 00:58:29.129 --> 00:58:32.870 particular mandating the doubling of our energy efficiency. 00:58:33.340 --> 00:58:35.680 You know, we have an obligation to meet, regardless 00:58:35.680 --> 00:58:39.270 of whether shareholders get more money or not. And 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:42.819 so I think it's time for us to really start to reward 00:58:42.830 --> 00:58:46.219 the customers who are the actual consumers that are 00:58:46.219 --> 00:58:50.860 conserving here and move away from an approach of 00:58:50.870 --> 00:58:55.639 feeling that we need to give utilities extra money 00:58:55.650 --> 00:58:59.500 for doing their jobs and for complying with 00:58:59.500 --> 00:59:04.389 the law. So I think the Commission Randolph, you reached 00:59:04.389 --> 00:59:07.030 a very good balance here. I would have certainly supported 00:59:07.030 --> 00:59:12.120 a more stringent, just elimination of risk. But as 00:59:12.120 --> 00:59:16.870 usual, you have provided a nice transition, and I'm 00:59:16.870 --> 00:59:21.500 very happy to support this. And I do think we have 00:59:21.509 --> 00:59:24.839 many other mechanisms for enforcing our priorities 00:59:24.850 --> 00:59:29.220 which, and I agree with the your alternatives well and 00:59:29.230 --> 00:59:32.579 saying that this in no way diminishes our commitment 00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:36.430 energy efficiency as our top investment. So I just 00:59:36.430 --> 00:59:40.370 want to reiterate that, that we need to grow in our 00:59:40.370 --> 00:59:43.680 commitments to energy efficiency and all demand side 00:59:43.680 --> 00:59:46.959 programs like the demand response. Thank you very much. 00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.029 Thank you, Commissioner Guzman Aceves. Yes, 00:59:51.040 --> 00:59:52.289 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 00:59:52.313 --> 00:59:54.579 Thank you, President Batjer. 00:59:54.589 --> 00:59:57.649 This was a more difficult decision for me than 00:59:57.660 --> 01:00:01.879 for my colleagues, and in particular, whether to continue 01:00:01.879 --> 01:00:05.279 the program, as it is as we work to restructure 01:00:05.279 --> 01:00:09.319 and improve it, but I do support suspension of the 01:00:09.319 --> 01:00:13.790 program at this time. I do wanna make a couple of comments 01:00:13.790 --> 01:00:16.910 and then offer a possible slight amendment to one of 01:00:16.910 --> 01:00:21.209 the conclusions of law. I agree with what Commissioner 01:00:21.209 --> 01:00:24.879 Guzman Aceves just said. And the point is made by 01:00:24.889 --> 01:00:29.069 Commissioner Randolph in the alternate that in doing 01:00:29.069 --> 01:00:32.370 this, we're not in any way suggesting that increasing 01:00:32.370 --> 01:00:36.189 the rate of the energy efficiency savings is not important 01:00:36.189 --> 01:00:40.529 or critical to our decarbonization efforts. It absolutely 01:00:40.540 --> 01:00:44.160 is. It's obvious, though, that we do need to update 01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:48.259 and improve the program if we decide to continue it. 01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:51.889 In my view, we shouldn't continue the management fee 01:00:51.889 --> 01:00:54.620 incentives where incentives are not earned by meeting 01:00:54.620 --> 01:00:58.079 performance standards, but simply where utility gets 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.819 an award as a percentage of various expenditures on 01:01:01.819 --> 01:01:07.240 codes and advocacy or a non resource programs. I also 01:01:07.240 --> 01:01:10.699 don't think there's any reason to pay incentives for the 01:01:10.699 --> 01:01:15.680 utilities when the savings are realized by third party 01:01:16.009 --> 01:01:19.689 administrators and the other utilities just contribute 01:01:19.689 --> 01:01:24.360 funds. That doesn't make any sense. And of course, 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:28.839 there's gonna be a review of the entire E-program and 01:01:28.839 --> 01:01:33.240 the goals and potentials, and the program will need 01:01:33.240 --> 01:01:37.319 to be updated consistent with those goals. But I do 01:01:37.319 --> 01:01:41.310 believe in the value of performance based ratemaking 01:01:41.459 --> 01:01:45.410 as a means to drive improved results from utilities. In 01:01:45.410 --> 01:01:49.060 my mind that includes both upside incentives and downside 01:01:49.069 --> 01:01:55.279 risks where appropriate. And I think incentives may very 01:01:55.279 --> 01:02:00.560 well still be desirable to motivate maximum gains in 01:02:00.560 --> 01:02:07.810 energy efficiency. As the proposed decision 01:02:07.819 --> 01:02:13.319 notes. Even once we transition to a majority of third 01:02:13.319 --> 01:02:17.019 party providers implementing the programs, utilities 01:02:17.019 --> 01:02:19.970 will still have a very important role in designing 01:02:19.970 --> 01:02:23.439 the portfolios and overseeing the contract. So I think 01:02:23.439 --> 01:02:28.069 they will still have a very important role. 01:02:28.540 --> 01:02:31.620 A concern I have and where I what I wanna offer a 01:02:31.620 --> 01:02:35.470 potential minor amendment is the alternate seems to 01:02:35.470 --> 01:02:38.670 set a very high bar for a future Commission decision 01:02:39.240 --> 01:02:42.750 to approve either a modified or redesigned SB program 01:02:42.750 --> 01:02:47.569 or another different type of incentive program. 01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:50.939 It says the Commission, quote, will consider whether 01:02:50.939 --> 01:02:55.810 to adopt a modified SB or new incentive program after 01:02:55.810 --> 01:02:59.399 we decide to approve goals. But it also states that 01:02:59.399 --> 01:03:03.110 such approval shall require, quote, proof that the incentives 01:03:03.110 --> 01:03:07.420 are, quote, necessary to achieve the goals, even though 01:03:07.430 --> 01:03:11.350 elsewhere, the decision says that may be impossible 01:03:11.839 --> 01:03:14.439 to prove. It may be impossible to prove this kind of 01:03:14.449 --> 01:03:19.910 cost, this causal relationship without doing controlled 01:03:19.910 --> 01:03:23.680 studies of what we do in California, which the 01:03:23.689 --> 01:03:27.870 decision also says it's not feasible. So I think I'm 01:03:27.870 --> 01:03:32.789 concerned that it's a very high bar. I want to clarify 01:03:32.899 --> 01:03:38.559 my view that in voting for this, the statements and 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:42.509 the decision about how we may approve the new or modified 01:03:42.509 --> 01:03:45.960 program are not binding on future decisions. We have 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:49.549 the ability to change decisions under statute, and 01:03:50.139 --> 01:03:53.289 in the future, we can may consider all the information 01:03:53.289 --> 01:03:56.759 we have before us and come to a conclusion that some 01:03:56.759 --> 01:04:00.610 incentive programs are appropriate, applying the standards 01:04:00.610 --> 01:04:04.899 that we come up with as we revise or come up 01:04:04.909 --> 01:04:09.679 with a new potential program. So to solidify that point 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:11.980 in the decision, what I'd like to do is offer a brief 01:04:11.980 --> 01:04:16.759 amendment to conclusion of law five to make it clear 01:04:16.759 --> 01:04:19.679 that the Commission can determine in the future what 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.409 criteria to apply and determining whether to authorize 01:04:24.409 --> 01:04:27.730 incentives. Robert or Sean, could you, if you could 01:04:27.730 --> 01:04:31.230 give me permission to share the screen, I will show 01:04:31.230 --> 01:04:34.250 you the amended conclusion of law that I'm proposing, 01:04:34.259 --> 01:04:37.529 where I add a clause at the end, and I want to share 01:04:37.529 --> 01:04:40.110 it with my fellow Commissioners to see if there's any 01:04:40.120 --> 01:04:44.440 support for making this amendment. 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:50.000 While that's coming up, can I just say 01:04:50.009 --> 01:04:55.580 as kind of a high level response, the Commission 01:04:55.590 --> 01:05:00.559 always has the ability to sort of re-weigh factors 01:05:00.570 --> 01:05:04.490 and sort of modify how it approaches things. 01:05:04.490 --> 01:05:07.500 And I am a little concerned that we would essentially 01:05:07.500 --> 01:05:11.389 be stating the obvious and implying that somehow in 01:05:11.389 --> 01:05:16.159 other situations we don't have that ability. So, 01:05:16.940 --> 01:05:21.049 I guess I have some concern, but you know, if 01:05:21.049 --> 01:05:24.169 you wanna share the language and we can talk about 01:05:24.169 --> 01:05:27.200 it a little bit more, I guess that's fine. And 01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:29.220 then the other thing I would add is, you know, one 01:05:29.220 --> 01:05:33.580 option is based on how you decide to vote and what 01:05:33.580 --> 01:05:36.940 happens. You could include this discussion in 01:05:36.940 --> 01:05:40.559 either a concurrent or a dissent. Which might be 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:43.049 an opportunity to highlight the issue, but without 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:48.080 sort of undermining kind of the basic premise of the 01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:48.784 decision. 01:05:48.808 --> 01:05:53.690 And Commissioner Rechtschaffen, if I 01:05:53.690 --> 01:05:59.220 could respond to your, I also see that some of your 01:05:59.230 --> 01:06:02.899 points earlier on some of the elements of SB no longer 01:06:02.899 --> 01:06:07.240 being needed as 01:06:07.240 --> 01:06:10.570 that's moving away from the SB construct and even if 01:06:10.570 --> 01:06:13.080 you want to consider, which I personally don't think 01:06:13.080 --> 01:06:16.769 we need, but if you want to consider some sort of incentive 01:06:16.769 --> 01:06:20.159 mechanism, I don't think we need to start with SB as 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:23.809 a foundation. I think that's a completely separate 01:06:23.809 --> 01:06:28.549 discussion. So I just would add that for your consideration 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.438 So I agree 01:06:35.450 --> 01:06:38.250 with that point for sure. I'm not suggesting 01:06:38.250 --> 01:06:41.190 that a SB be an appropriate starting point. We could have 01:06:41.190 --> 01:06:44.149 a redesigned SB or entirely new incentive program. 01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:47.389 As to your point Commissioner Randolph, I think it's 01:06:47.399 --> 01:06:51.620 well taken. Can you guys see? Am I successfully sharing 01:06:51.629 --> 01:06:58.769 the amendment or not? It's a very narrow, modest 01:06:58.769 --> 01:07:02.990 amendment. It does not hammer home the obvious point. 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:06.259 The more obvious point that you suggested, Commissioner 01:07:06.259 --> 01:07:08.960 Randolph, which is we can always reconsider the decision. 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.159 Of course, that's true and we jealously guard that 01:07:13.539 --> 01:07:18.259 prerogative. But we do send signals with our decisions 01:07:18.259 --> 01:07:22.960 and we, staff reads into our decisions as to the party's 01:07:22.970 --> 01:07:26.759 do certain directions where we're headed. And I just 01:07:26.759 --> 01:07:31.490 want to make it clear by this narrow point that we 01:07:31.490 --> 01:07:34.610 will determine at the appropriate time based on whatever 01:07:34.610 --> 01:07:38.470 applicable criteria the Commission comes up with, whether 01:07:38.470 --> 01:07:41.610 or not any kind of an incentive program is appropriate. 01:07:41.620 --> 01:07:48.840 That's the intent of this modest amendment. 01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.720 Okay, there any more, is there any further discussion 01:07:51.730 --> 01:07:56.440 on the motion, on the modification that Commissioner 01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.669 Rechtschaffen just proposed? Yes, Commissioner Shiroma? 01:08:00.340 --> 01:08:05.200 Yes. Thank you. Okay. Well, thank you, Commissioner 01:08:05.200 --> 01:08:10.340 Rechtschaffen. but I think that 01:08:10.340 --> 01:08:15.639 your, I appreciate all your arguments, but I think 01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:22.740 your added language is already a given in the APD 01:08:22.740 --> 01:08:32.519 that if voted out, the assigned officers and 01:08:32.529 --> 01:08:39.860 staff will be, you know, pulling through with that 01:08:39.860 --> 01:08:48.860 rubric as a matter of routine in terms of truing 01:08:48.860 --> 01:08:54.850 up. What is the measure of effectiveness? So 01:08:54.860 --> 01:08:58.539 it's my long winded way of saying I don't think we 01:08:58.539 --> 01:09:03.070 need your language, that it will be a matter of 01:09:03.070 --> 01:09:08.639 course in implementing the decision. 01:09:08.639 --> 01:09:11.360 Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. Are there 01:09:11.360 --> 01:09:16.600 any other comments specifically to Commissioner Rechtschaffen's 01:09:16.610 --> 01:09:20.340 proposed amendments. 01:09:20.340 --> 01:09:21.892 Well, if others 01:09:21.904 --> 01:09:23.230 would like to speak to it, I'm prepared 01:09:23.230 --> 01:09:25.759 to move the amendment, but not if it's gonna 01:09:25.769 --> 01:09:29.740 fail. So I gather from Commissioner Shiroma, she's not 01:09:29.740 --> 01:09:35.559 supportive, but I am inferring from Commission Randolph 01:09:35.559 --> 01:09:39.110 I haven't heard from her, but I can move the amendment 01:09:39.110 --> 01:09:41.220 if that's what you like, President Batjer, we can 01:09:41.230 --> 01:09:43.779 discuss it or more to get a sense of whether or not 01:09:43.789 --> 01:09:45.258 there's any point to that. 01:09:45.282 --> 01:09:46.750 Commission Rechtschaffen, 01:09:46.750 --> 01:09:51.120 I find Commission Randolph's argument compelling. 01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:55.070 And I worry about setting, putting something forth, 01:09:55.639 --> 01:10:00.460 that is a given if you will in other proceedings and 01:10:00.460 --> 01:10:05.919 other policies. So I would, I appreciate very much 01:10:05.919 --> 01:10:09.980 the thoughtfulness that you and your staff have taken 01:10:09.990 --> 01:10:16.179 to not only offering up your amendment but so thoroughly 01:10:16.190 --> 01:10:20.659 reviewing both the PD and the alternate PD. So 01:10:21.240 --> 01:10:25.240 by no means is this a thought about how hard you all 01:10:25.240 --> 01:10:29.580 have put thought into this. It's just, I like 01:10:29.590 --> 01:10:34.043 less than more in these cases. 01:10:34.067 --> 01:10:35.139 Okay, well, I can read 01:10:35.139 --> 01:10:37.480 votes faster than some of the 01:10:37.480 --> 01:10:40.220 registrars of voters and the rest of the country, so 01:10:40.230 --> 01:10:49.490 with that, I will withdraw. I didn't offer 01:10:49.490 --> 01:10:52.740 the motion, but I will not offer the motion. I reserve 01:10:52.740 --> 01:10:55.350 the right to file if it occurs, but I will be supporting 01:10:55.350 --> 01:10:56.262 the APD. 01:10:56.286 --> 01:11:00.389 Okay. Very well, then. Any other comments? 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:04.746 If we could stop sharing the, okay. 01:11:04.770 --> 01:11:06.879 Okay. Thank you. Thank 01:11:06.879 --> 01:11:11.200 you. Any other comments on either 19 or 19A? 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.769 I just want to add one additional thing. All of the 01:11:16.769 --> 01:11:19.870 comments that were made on the alternative. I don't 01:11:19.870 --> 01:11:23.230 want to repeat them. I agree with many of them. 01:11:23.230 --> 01:11:29.220 I do wanna thank ALJ Fitch for her proposed 01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:32.549 decision. Very, very well written, very well reasoned 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:37.950 And it is a rarity for the great mind of Leann 01:11:37.950 --> 01:11:41.090 Randolph and the great mind of Judge Fitch not to 01:11:41.090 --> 01:11:45.110 be in the same place in a decision. So I want to 01:11:45.120 --> 01:11:48.879 note that, and underscore obviously, as has been 01:11:48.879 --> 01:11:52.139 said by my fellow Commissioners, this vote in no 01:11:52.139 --> 01:11:57.350 way should suggest that I'm against energy efficiency 01:11:57.350 --> 01:12:00.909 programs. We just need to, as we talked about in February, 01:12:00.919 --> 01:12:06.809 we just need to find a more appropriate to the 01:12:06.809 --> 01:12:12.269 day and time programs. Okay, with that, I'm going 01:12:12.269 --> 01:12:16.960 to ask the agenda clerk to first call item 19 01:12:16.970 --> 01:12:18.731 for a vote. 01:12:18.755 --> 01:12:21.487 Commissioner Shiroma for item 19. 01:12:21.511 --> 01:12:22.829 No 01:12:22.853 --> 01:12:25.348 Commissioner Guzman Aceves 01:12:25.372 --> 01:12:26.549 No. 01:12:26.573 --> 01:12:28.727 Commissioner Randolph. 01:12:28.751 --> 01:12:30.414 No. 01:12:30.438 --> 01:12:33.399 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 01:12:33.423 --> 01:12:35.839 No. 01:12:35.839 --> 01:12:37.124 President Batjer 01:12:37.148 --> 01:12:41.440 No. The vote is unanimously no for item 01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:43.392 19. We will now take up-- 01:12:43.416 --> 01:12:44.890 I feel like I feel like the 01:12:44.890 --> 01:12:47.390 vote for item 19 should be, no, thank you. Because 01:12:47.400 --> 01:12:52.680 Julie did such a lovely job on that PD. So thank you. 01:12:52.690 --> 01:12:57.900 Absolutely no mark as I said on the great mind of 01:12:57.910 --> 01:13:02.460 Judge Fitch. Okay. With that, we will now take 01:13:02.460 --> 01:13:08.069 up Item 19A, the alternate proposed decision. 01:13:08.069 --> 01:13:20.039 Item 818834. Agenda clerk, please call the roll 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:22.130 Commissioner Shiroma. 01:13:22.154 --> 01:13:24.640 Aye 01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:26.036 Commissioner Guzman Aceves. 01:13:26.060 --> 01:13:27.240 Aye 01:13:27.264 --> 01:13:29.369 Commissioner Randolph 01:13:30.339 --> 01:13:32.640 Yes 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.848 Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 01:13:34.872 --> 01:13:37.539 Yes 01:13:37.539 --> 01:13:38.395 President Batjer? 01:13:38.419 --> 01:13:43.789 Yes. The vote for Item 19A is passed 01:13:43.789 --> 01:13:46.880 unanimously. Thank you all very much for your thoughtful 01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:47.612 comments. 01:13:47.636 --> 01:13:51.359 Excuse me. President Batjer, this is Maria. 01:13:51.369 --> 01:13:54.690 Question for Commissioner Rechtschaffen. He indicated 01:13:54.690 --> 01:13:58.589 that he was gonna file a concurrent. Is that it's still 01:13:58.589 --> 01:14:02.230 a stand for 19A? Commissioner Rechtschaffen filing a 01:14:02.240 --> 01:14:03.234 concurring. 01:14:03.258 --> 01:14:05.859 Well, I thank you, Maria. I reserve the 01:14:05.859 --> 01:14:09.940 right to file a concurrent. Yes. Thank you. 01:14:09.940 --> 01:14:12.375 Thank you, Commissioner. 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.079 Thank you, Maria. Okay, moving 01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.880 on, then, to Item 22 which is Commissioner Randolph 01:14:18.890 --> 01:14:21.440 to present. 01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:26.420 This is Utility Telecom Group versus AT&T. 01:14:26.430 --> 01:14:29.480 It's a proposed decision extending the statutory 01:14:29.480 --> 01:14:33.259 deadline for a complaint case of utility telecom group 01:14:33.259 --> 01:14:36.839 against AT&T. At the beginning of this year, we 01:14:36.839 --> 01:14:39.269 held a pre hearing conference and issued a scoping 01:14:39.269 --> 01:14:42.490 memo, and then the parties entered into alternative 01:14:42.500 --> 01:14:46.119 dispute resolution. While that alternative dispute 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:49.049 resolution did narrow the differences, ultimately it 01:14:49.049 --> 01:14:52.170 was unsuccessful. And the party's are back in litigation 01:14:52.170 --> 01:14:56.000 mode. So this PD extends the statutory deadline from 01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:02.640 November 6, 2020, to May 7, 2021, to allow that time to, 01:15:02.650 --> 01:15:05.380 to allow time for the litigation process to proceed. 01:15:05.390 --> 01:15:09.640 I ask for your support of item 22. 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.087 Thank you, Commissioner 01:15:11.099 --> 01:15:12.160 Randolph, are there any comments 01:15:12.160 --> 01:15:16.240 or questions on item 22? 01:15:16.240 --> 01:15:18.599 Okay, seeing none, will be agenda clerk please call the 01:15:18.599 --> 01:15:19.188 roll. 01:15:19.212 --> 01:15:21.262 Commissioner Shiroma? 01:15:21.286 --> 01:15:23.580 Aye 01:15:23.604 --> 01:15:24.390 Commissioner Guzman Aceves? 01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:25.716 Aye. 01:15:25.740 --> 01:15:27.670 Commissioner Randolph. 01:15:27.694 --> 01:15:29.262 Yes 01:15:29.286 --> 01:15:31.180 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 01:15:31.940 --> 01:15:32.891 Yes 01:15:32.915 --> 01:15:34.641 President Batjer? 01:15:34.665 --> 01:15:38.160 Yes. Item 22 is passed unanimously 01:15:38.170 --> 01:15:42.170 Moving on now to item 23. Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 01:15:42.170 --> 01:15:45.240 That is yours to present. 01:15:45.240 --> 01:15:48.079 Thank you, President Batjer. This is an extension 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:52.970 order in our rulemaking that implements the renewable 01:15:52.970 --> 01:15:56.349 portfolio standard program, which I should take a moment 01:15:56.349 --> 01:15:58.819 to have an advertisement for our highly successful 01:15:58.819 --> 01:16:02.359 program. We just issued a report, our annual report, 01:16:02.369 --> 01:16:06.640 this week underscoring that our load serving entities 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.299 continue to meet our goals and that prices for renewable 01:16:10.299 --> 01:16:14.029 contracts are lower than ever. The extension will allow 01:16:14.029 --> 01:16:16.380 the Commission to continue implementing the program 01:16:16.380 --> 01:16:19.420 and this includes a variety of things we need to do. 01:16:19.420 --> 01:16:23.170 Approve annual procurement plans and compliance reports, 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:26.990 consideration of waiver requests, consideration of 01:16:26.990 --> 01:16:30.119 changes to the confidentiality rules, a process for 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.420 coordinating RPS plans in our integrated resource 01:16:33.420 --> 01:16:36.630 portfolio plans, and addressing pending petitions for 01:16:36.630 --> 01:16:40.279 modification in the RPS procurement and the rematch 01:16:40.289 --> 01:16:44.400 programs. With all this to do, we need more time. 01:16:44.400 --> 01:16:46.769 And I ask for your support to extend the deadline for 01:16:46.769 --> 01:16:51.740 one year until December 31, 2021. 01:16:51.740 --> 01:16:55.849 Okay. Thank you. Any questions or comments on Item 01:16:56.240 --> 01:17:00.759 23? Seeing none, will the Agenda clerk please call the roll. 01:17:01.609 --> 01:17:03.876 Commissioner Shiroma 01:17:03.900 --> 01:17:05.385 Aye 01:17:05.409 --> 01:17:06.800 Commissioner Guzman Aceves 01:17:06.824 --> 01:17:07.279 Aye 01:17:07.940 --> 01:17:09.158 Commissioner Randolph. 01:17:09.182 --> 01:17:10.854 Yes. 01:17:10.878 --> 01:17:12.859 Commissioner Rechtschaffen 01:17:13.539 --> 01:17:14.203 Yes, 01:17:14.227 --> 01:17:16.136 President Batjer? 01:17:16.160 --> 01:17:19.269 Yes. Item 23 is passed. 01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:23.779 Unanimously. Thank you. Now moving on. Item 24 which 01:17:23.779 --> 01:17:26.819 is mine. This order extending statutory deadline is 01:17:26.819 --> 01:17:32.859 for investigation 1508019, regarding PG&E Safety 01:17:32.859 --> 01:17:36.210 culture. The Commission initiated this investigation 01:17:36.210 --> 01:17:39.910 to determine whether PG&E and PG&E corporation's 01:17:39.910 --> 01:17:43.789 culture and governance prioritized safety. The Commission 01:17:43.789 --> 01:17:46.589 Safety and Enforcement division retained the services 01:17:46.589 --> 01:17:50.049 of North Star Consulting Group to assist in this investigation. 01:17:50.539 --> 01:17:54.799 In April 2017, North Star issued a report on its assessment 01:17:54.799 --> 01:17:58.839 of PG&E's safety culture. After a workshop, evidentiary 01:17:58.839 --> 01:18:04.740 hearings and briefs, Decision 18-11-050 adopted 01:18:04.740 --> 01:18:07.849 North Star's report and ordered PG&E to implement 01:18:07.849 --> 01:18:12.349 the North Stars recommendations. In June of 2019, the 01:18:12.349 --> 01:18:17.940 Commission adopted Decision 19-06-008 which ordered 01:18:17.940 --> 01:18:21.339 PG&E and PG&E Corporation to provide information 01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:25.549 about safety experience and qualifications of independent 01:18:25.549 --> 01:18:29.609 directors on its Board and established a Commission 01:18:29.619 --> 01:18:33.109 advisory panel on corporate governance. This proceeding 01:18:33.109 --> 01:18:36.990 was placed on hold until the PG&E bankruptcy proceeding 01:18:36.990 --> 01:18:40.170 was resolved. As several issues overlapped with this 01:18:40.170 --> 01:18:44.160 proceeding, this proposed decision extends the statutory 01:18:44.160 --> 01:18:47.569 deadline for an additional 12 months to provide the 01:18:47.569 --> 01:18:50.859 Commission with the ability to monitor PG&E's ongoing 01:18:50.869 --> 01:18:54.460 safety performance and to provide a forum to raise 01:18:54.470 --> 01:18:57.369 issues that may arise and with that I request your 01:18:57.369 --> 01:19:01.539 support. Thank you. Are there any questions or comments 01:19:01.549 --> 01:19:05.140 about Item 24? 01:19:05.140 --> 01:19:08.369 Seeing none, will be agenda clerk please call the roll. 01:19:08.500 --> 01:19:09.882 Commissioner Shiroma. 01:19:09.906 --> 01:19:11.580 Aye. 01:19:11.604 --> 01:19:14.031 Commissioner Guzman Aceves. 01:19:14.055 --> 01:19:14.628 Aye. 01:19:14.652 --> 01:19:16.763 Commissioner Randolph. 01:19:16.787 --> 01:19:17.906 Yes. 01:19:17.930 --> 01:19:20.717 Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 01:19:20.741 --> 01:19:21.115 Yes. 01:19:21.139 --> 01:19:22.995 President Batjer. 01:19:23.019 --> 01:19:27.019 Yes, Thank you. Item 24 is passed unanimously. 01:19:27.029 --> 01:19:29.559 Moving on now toeitem 25 which is Commissioner Shiroma's 01:19:29.559 --> 01:19:30.518 to present. 01:19:30.542 --> 01:19:32.990 Thank you, President Batjer. Yes 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:37.579 Item 25 is an order extending the statutory deadline 01:19:37.589 --> 01:19:44.559 for 192004. It is PG&E's request for a permit 01:19:44.559 --> 01:19:48.769 to construct of its Humboldt Reconductoring project. 01:19:49.339 --> 01:19:53.880 I'm pleased to share that our proposed decisions 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:59.069 should appear on our November 19, 2020, agenda. However 01:19:59.539 --> 01:20:05.109 our statutory deadline is November 8. And out of caution 01:20:05.109 --> 01:20:07.259 and taking nothing for granted, I'm asking for a three 01:20:07.259 --> 01:20:12.359 month extension to February 1, 2021. And with that 01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.740 new statutory deadline, it will give the Commission 01:20:15.750 --> 01:20:19.170 time for the review of the proposed decision, 01:20:19.180 --> 01:20:22.359 any comments that we may receive in preparation for 01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:28.769 a vote, and hopefully a a successful vote on the PD. 01:20:28.779 --> 01:20:32.440 With that, I ask for your aye vote for this extension. 01:20:32.450 --> 01:20:33.447 Thank you. 01:20:33.471 --> 01:20:36.690 Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. Are 01:20:36.690 --> 01:20:42.359 there any comments or questions on Item 25? Okay, seeing 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:44.716 none, Agenda Clerk please call the roll. 01:20:44.740 --> 01:20:46.349 Comissioner Shiroma 01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:48.395 Aye. 01:20:48.419 --> 01:20:49.826 Commissioner Guzman Aceves. 01:20:49.850 --> 01:20:51.475 Aye. 01:20:51.499 --> 01:20:53.089 Commissioner Randolph. 01:20:53.113 --> 01:20:54.587 Yes, 01:20:54.611 --> 01:20:56.592 Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 01:20:56.616 --> 01:20:57.898 Yes. 01:20:57.922 --> 01:20:59.661 President Batjer 01:20:59.685 --> 01:21:04.309 Yes, Thank you. Item 25 is passed unanimously. 01:21:04.309 --> 01:21:07.900 Moving now on to our last item, which is item 26. That 01:21:07.910 --> 01:21:11.034 is Commissioner Guzman Aceves's to present. 01:21:11.058 --> 01:21:11.789 Thank you, 01:21:11.789 --> 01:21:14.640 President Batjer, this is the order extending the 01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.819 statutory deadline for an application from the county 01:21:17.819 --> 01:21:22.339 of Riverside to construct a new interchange on Interstate 01:21:22.349 --> 01:21:26.470 5 and Portola Avenue in the city of Palm Desert. 01:21:27.240 --> 01:21:31.589 The preceding was delayed due to to reassignments of 01:21:31.589 --> 01:21:37.759 Administrative Law Judges and also interestingly enough now 01:21:37.769 --> 01:21:41.940 recently, there was a ruling put out this month and 01:21:41.940 --> 01:21:46.019 the county of Riverside responded, notifying us that 01:21:46.029 --> 01:21:51.440 (mumbled) So we actually need time. We need 01:21:51.440 --> 01:21:54.490 to extend the proceeding in order to give them time 01:21:54.500 --> 01:21:59.200 to prepare their motion to withdraw. And I would 01:21:59.200 --> 01:22:02.740 just take a moment to acknowledge another set of work 01:22:02.740 --> 01:22:06.690 that Commissioner Randolph and acting director Peterson 01:22:06.700 --> 01:22:11.809 did for many years. The process reforms to a PUC 01:22:11.809 --> 01:22:15.319 that require a statutory change, and these 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:19.500 applications are one of them. Unfortunately, due to 01:22:19.509 --> 01:22:24.220 some of the changes that took place back in 2017, these 01:22:24.220 --> 01:22:27.940 applications now require an assignment of ALJ and a 01:22:27.950 --> 01:22:30.599 prehearing conference, even when they are not protested 01:22:30.599 --> 01:22:34.390 And oftentimes, local governments are 01:22:34.390 --> 01:22:39.640 left to, you know, frankly, not a prioritized 01:22:39.650 --> 01:22:43.680 application. And so I really hope that we can work 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:47.900 with the Legislature to provide this reform, particularly 01:22:47.900 --> 01:22:50.269 to the benefit of local governments for having more 01:22:50.269 --> 01:22:54.730 timely resolution for these rail crossings. Thank you. 01:22:54.730 --> 01:22:57.359 And with that, I ask for your support of the extension. 01:22:58.339 --> 01:23:00.619 Thank you. Commissioner Guzman Aceves. Are there 01:23:00.619 --> 01:23:05.069 any questions or comments? I would just like to comment 01:23:05.069 --> 01:23:08.859 that I agree with your your thoughts about statutory 01:23:08.859 --> 01:23:12.630 change and reform. This is taking way too long. And 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:16.509 as you said, it becomes an issue of priority and 01:23:16.519 --> 01:23:19.420 efficiency for the local government. So something we 01:23:19.420 --> 01:23:22.910 need to put on our list for sure. Thank you. Are there 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:26.359 other comments? Seeing none, would the agenda clerk 01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:28.771 please call the roll. 01:23:28.795 --> 01:23:29.907 Commissioner Shiroma. 01:23:29.931 --> 01:23:31.131 Aye. 01:23:31.155 --> 01:23:33.489 Commissioner Guzman Aceves. 01:23:33.513 --> 01:23:34.844 Aye. 01:23:34.868 --> 01:23:36.586 Commissioner Randolph. 01:23:36.610 --> 01:23:38.986 Yes. 01:23:39.010 --> 01:23:40.125 Commissioner Rechtschaffen. 01:23:40.149 --> 01:23:41.785 Yes. 01:23:41.809 --> 01:23:43.546 President Batjer. 01:23:43.570 --> 01:23:47.150 Yes. Item 26 is passed 01:23:47.150 --> 01:23:50.289 unanimously. Thank you all very much. That concludes 01:23:50.289 --> 01:23:54.529 our regular agenda items. Now, moving on to management 01:23:54.529 --> 01:23:59.279 reports. For item 27, reports and discussion on recent 01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:01.759 consumer protection and safety activities management 01:24:01.759 --> 01:24:05.400 report. Our Safety and Enforcement Director Lee Palmer 01:24:05.400 --> 01:24:09.950 will present on recent PSPS events. There is no report 01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.309 on Item 28 management report on administrative 01:24:13.309 --> 01:24:17.180 activities. While Lee will be providing us with real 01:24:17.180 --> 01:24:20.730 time briefing on the recent PSPS events, I do want 01:24:20.730 --> 01:24:24.819 to inform everyone that we have a process to consider 01:24:24.819 --> 01:24:28.779 and incorporate lessons learned from all of the events 01:24:29.140 --> 01:24:32.630 from this fire season, which we will use 01:24:32.630 --> 01:24:37.059 to continue refining PSPS guidelines that the IOUs 01:24:37.059 --> 01:24:40.599 must follow our next fire season to minimize the 01:24:40.599 --> 01:24:44.559 duration and the impact of any future PSPS events, 01:24:45.240 --> 01:24:47.740 I want to note that we will still in the we are 01:24:47.740 --> 01:24:50.930 still in the midst of this year's fire season. We're 01:24:50.930 --> 01:24:54.410 not out of the woods yet, no pun intended. So this 01:24:54.410 --> 01:24:58.990 process will commence shortly after the end of the 01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.940 fire season. And as a part of this, I will seek feedback 01:25:03.950 --> 01:25:07.180 from impacted communities, tribal and local government, 01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:10.920 access and functional needs communities, and public 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.329 safety partners to hear about their experiences during 01:25:14.329 --> 01:25:18.079 the 2020 PSPS events. So with that, I will turn it 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:21.539 over to Lee. 01:25:21.539 --> 01:25:25.700 Good morning, President Batjer, Commissioners, Directors, 01:25:25.710 --> 01:25:29.210 ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your time and your 01:25:29.210 --> 01:25:31.880 continued attention into what SAD considers a critical 01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:34.930 concern to public safety and the delivery of reliable 01:25:34.930 --> 01:25:38.539 utility service. 01:25:38.539 --> 01:25:41.359 As President Batjer noted earlier, we sit on the eve 01:25:41.369 --> 01:25:45.009 of the two year anniversary of the 2018 Camp Fire. This 01:25:45.009 --> 01:25:47.910 catastrophic event reminds us of the importance of 01:25:47.910 --> 01:25:51.059 the CPUC's work and the responsibility of the electric 01:25:51.059 --> 01:25:54.769 utilities to remain engaged, responsive and diligent 01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:57.859 in the maintenance and safe operation of their systems 01:25:57.869 --> 01:26:03.140 which remain vital to all within California. 01:26:03.140 --> 01:26:05.789 Today, I will be providing a brief overview of the 01:26:05.789 --> 01:26:08.140 public safety power shut off that occurred between 01:26:08.140 --> 01:26:13.019 the 25th and the 28th of October. This was our largest 01:26:13.019 --> 01:26:17.900 set of PSPS events in 2020 thus far. Over 01:26:17.900 --> 01:26:21.190 this three day period, all three major investor owned 01:26:21.190 --> 01:26:25.170 utilities conducted public safety power shutoffs, resulting 01:26:25.170 --> 01:26:30.009 in approximately 368,000 customers impacted, of which 01:26:30.019 --> 01:26:35.160 23,544 are registered as medical baseline customers 01:26:35.339 --> 01:26:40.049 and 15,565 are identified as critical care customers 01:26:40.839 --> 01:26:45.740 42 counties and 21 tribes were impacted. 01:26:45.740 --> 01:26:48.940 The scale of these PSPS events makes it clear to 01:26:48.950 --> 01:26:52.140 all of us that the threat of wildfires and impacts 01:26:52.140 --> 01:26:55.380 of PSPS events are not limited to a specific county 01:26:55.390 --> 01:26:59.059 or city. This is a statewide and regional concern. 01:26:59.940 --> 01:27:02.930 The Commission, our state partners, CalOES and CalFire 01:27:02.930 --> 01:27:06.869 the utilities and county, local and tribal governments 01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:10.579 all need to maintain our lines of communication, maintain 01:27:10.579 --> 01:27:14.000 the dialogue and this is in order to ensure that 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:17.839 the needs of all are addressed. 01:27:17.839 --> 01:27:20.779 PSPS events are primarily dividing the three phases. 01:27:21.140 --> 01:27:23.470 The first phase being the initial notification by the 01:27:23.470 --> 01:27:27.230 IOU to the CPUC, SED, CalOES and the communities 01:27:27.230 --> 01:27:31.460 and scope. The second phase is the actual PSPS event 01:27:31.470 --> 01:27:34.539 where deenergizations are occurring. And the final 01:27:34.539 --> 01:27:37.299 phase of restoration and the after action report and 01:27:37.299 --> 01:27:40.740 review of the event. 01:27:40.740 --> 01:27:43.710 While the PSPS events that unfolded between the 25th 01:27:43.710 --> 01:27:46.839 and 28th of October are still being reviewed and discussed, 01:27:46.849 --> 01:27:50.009 SED, as well as other state partners have already begun 01:27:50.009 --> 01:27:52.750 the process of conducting after action reviews, or 01:27:52.759 --> 01:27:57.190 AARs, of the late October PSPS events. The purpose 01:27:57.190 --> 01:28:00.349 of these AARs is to identify concerns, addressed safety 01:28:00.349 --> 01:28:03.990 issues or general areas of improvement so that mitigations 01:28:03.990 --> 01:28:07.549 can memorialized and implemented in future PSPS events. 01:28:10.140 --> 01:28:13.859 First, I want to address the IOUs notifications. From 01:28:13.859 --> 01:28:16.500 our experience, last week, the IOUs are providing 01:28:16.500 --> 01:28:20.019 notifications at the right cadence. 72 hours ahead to 01:28:20.019 --> 01:28:24.069 CalOES, County emergency managers and the CPUC. 01:28:24.740 --> 01:28:28.710 48 hours ahead to the same entities and between 24 to 01:28:28.890 --> 01:28:32.750 36 hours ahead to their customers and the public. 01:28:32.759 --> 01:28:35.660 There were a few exceptions to this last week, 01:28:35.670 --> 01:28:38.950 and I'll talk about that in a moment. Next slide, please. 01:28:41.740 --> 01:28:45.410 While IOUs provide an initial alert to the event, 01:28:45.420 --> 01:28:48.250 the scope, timing and conditions associated with the 01:28:48.250 --> 01:28:51.589 PSPS events were adjusted over time due to changes 01:28:51.589 --> 01:28:55.349 in weather. A number of senior staff, as well as President 01:28:55.349 --> 01:28:59.349 Batjer engaged in the established CalOES state executive 01:28:59.349 --> 01:29:03.750 calls with each IOU twice daily. The safety and enforcement 01:29:03.750 --> 01:29:08.619 division was embedded with PG&E and SCE during operational 01:29:08.619 --> 01:29:11.969 calls, decision briefs and within the utilities' virtual 01:29:11.969 --> 01:29:16.769 emergency operation centers, or EOCs. Additionally 01:29:16.780 --> 01:29:20.039 the CPUCs tribal advisor maintained open lines of communication 01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:23.369 with tribal reps at the IOUs and impacted tribes 01:29:23.380 --> 01:29:26.840 while the CPUCs Communication division monitored notifications 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:30.179 between the IOUs and communication service providers. 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:33.969 SED in turn published daily safety alert to Commissioners 01:29:33.969 --> 01:29:37.739 and identified staff throughout the CPUC. 01:29:37.739 --> 01:29:40.800 Overall effectiveness and interaction between SED and 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:43.690 IOUs was generally good. With some IOUs providing 01:29:43.690 --> 01:29:46.349 more integrated levels of interaction than others. 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:49.980 The level of integration varied between IOUs in 01:29:49.980 --> 01:29:52.869 that some IOUs welcomed and invited to CPUC to 01:29:52.869 --> 01:29:56.130 participate in decision and operational briefs while 01:29:56.139 --> 01:30:00.090 others provided less opportunity for interaction. While 01:30:00.099 --> 01:30:02.739 all IOUs were responsive of the SEDs request for 01:30:02.739 --> 01:30:06.269 information during the PSPS events, it is the expectation 01:30:06.269 --> 01:30:09.659 that SED fully embed itself to the level required of 01:30:09.659 --> 01:30:12.739 the situation. 01:30:12.739 --> 01:30:15.670 While our review of the after event reports will be 01:30:15.670 --> 01:30:19.070 more detailed, I can make some initial broad observations 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:23.320 about areas of improvement. No notice de-energizations 01:30:23.329 --> 01:30:26.849 and in-scope customers not notified remain a concern. 01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:31.719 All three IOUs had last minute no notice portions 01:30:31.730 --> 01:30:36.769 in these PS PS events. PG&E's were customers that were 01:30:36.769 --> 01:30:40.070 in scope, but PG&E did not determine that until after 01:30:40.070 --> 01:30:43.340 they were de-energized. As as such, they did not receive 01:30:43.349 --> 01:30:48.719 any notifications. SCE and SDG&E had no notice portions 01:30:48.730 --> 01:30:52.170 due to changes in the weather requiring immediate de-energization 01:30:52.179 --> 01:30:55.840 without customer notice. 01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:57.969 Beyond the frustration of having your power suddenly 01:30:57.969 --> 01:31:00.969 turned off without explanation or understanding of 01:31:00.969 --> 01:31:04.010 the potential timeframe, the concern and danger only 01:31:04.010 --> 01:31:06.929 increases if this occurs to a customer identified as 01:31:06.929 --> 01:31:10.650 a medical baseline or critical care customer. That 01:31:10.650 --> 01:31:14.000 brings me to the importance of each IOUs portable 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:17.659 battery or backup battery programs for at risk customers 01:31:18.530 --> 01:31:20.840 I want to end by giving you a short update on the 01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:24.690 IOUs battery distribution programs. You asked about 01:31:24.690 --> 01:31:27.800 this during the August 3 briefings and we received updated 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:32.110 information last week during the PSPS events. For each 01:31:32.110 --> 01:31:35.960 IOU has a battery or generation program currently underway 01:31:36.329 --> 01:31:41.329 but all are at different stages of implementation. 01:31:41.329 --> 01:31:44.340 PG&E's customers and scope of their battery program 01:31:44.349 --> 01:31:48.210 is approximately 10,500 customers, which is low income, 01:31:48.210 --> 01:31:51.309 medical baseline and care to three High Fire Threat 01:31:51.309 --> 01:31:55.309 District or has been de energized and two or more PSPS 01:31:55.309 --> 01:31:59.260 events. PG&E allocated 8000 batteries to 01:31:59.260 --> 01:32:01.989 the program. But as of SED's data requests only 01:32:01.989 --> 01:32:05.840 2500 have been delivered, projecting to deliver an 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:10.130 additional 1500 batteries by the end of the year. 01:32:10.130 --> 01:32:14.139 SCE's goal for 2020 was to offer 2500 customers 01:32:14.150 --> 01:32:17.170 who meet eligibility requirement enrollment to their 01:32:17.170 --> 01:32:21.380 battery program. As of October 15th, the battery program 01:32:21.380 --> 01:32:26.269 has offered been offered to 2484 customers. And while 01:32:26.269 --> 01:32:29.380 more than 400 customers have enrolled in the program, 01:32:29.389 --> 01:32:33.130 only 200 batteries have been deployed. 01:32:33.130 --> 01:32:36.210 SDG&E has implemented a generator grant program 01:32:36.219 --> 01:32:38.650 which is geared towards medical baseline customers. 01:32:39.030 --> 01:32:44.349 As of October 2020, SDG&E had delivered 1334 portable 01:32:44.349 --> 01:32:47.699 battery units, plus an additional 75 to AFN 01:32:47.699 --> 01:32:50.329 customers. 01:32:50.329 --> 01:32:53.289 Overall effectiveness seems to be less than planned 01:32:53.289 --> 01:32:57.500 or projected. Reasons given by the IOUs to SED range 01:32:57.500 --> 01:33:00.909 from logistics issues due to COVID as well as battery 01:33:00.909 --> 01:33:03.800 programs being offered, but some eligible customers 01:33:03.809 --> 01:33:07.579 not wanting or needing it. SED continues to track 01:33:07.579 --> 01:33:09.739 this, and we'll be providing updates as you meet with 01:33:09.739 --> 01:33:13.320 the IOUs in the upcoming weeks. 01:33:13.320 --> 01:33:16.139 Again, I would like to thank you, President Batjer 01:33:16.139 --> 01:33:17.849 and Commissioners for the Opportunity to speak with 01:33:17.849 --> 01:33:21.239 you today. SED is committed to working with the IOUs 01:33:21.250 --> 01:33:23.760 and the communities they serve and look forward to 01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:26.349 open collaboration between yourselves and your staffs 01:33:26.719 --> 01:33:29.719 Thank you very much. 01:33:29.719 --> 01:33:32.840 Lee. Thank you very much. And thank you. And your staff 01:33:33.420 --> 01:33:38.989 for your vigilance during these PSPS. I really 01:33:38.989 --> 01:33:43.949 appreciated your report out and conversing with 01:33:43.949 --> 01:33:48.030 you along the way and comparing notes as we all 01:33:48.420 --> 01:33:52.099 sat through many of the briefings. Very helpful and particularly 01:33:52.110 --> 01:33:56.980 thanking you for noting the battery program. As you 01:33:56.989 --> 01:34:02.309 will recall, nearly every briefing, I asked 01:34:02.309 --> 01:34:04.929 for an update on the distribution of the batteries. 01:34:04.940 --> 01:34:10.739 None of them, frankly, lived up to the pledge 01:34:10.739 --> 01:34:14.139 that they made to us in August and then updated in 01:34:14.150 --> 01:34:18.219 a written memo in September, but something we indeed 01:34:18.219 --> 01:34:22.539 must continue to work on. So the medical baseline and 01:34:22.539 --> 01:34:27.619 critically in need customers have backup 01:34:27.619 --> 01:34:31.000 batteries that they need during these unfortunately 01:34:31.010 --> 01:34:34.739 called PSPS. So thank you for underscoring that 01:34:34.739 --> 01:34:37.250 in your presentation, Lee. And thank you again for 01:34:37.619 --> 01:34:41.349 you and Tony and others vigilance during these 01:34:41.360 --> 01:34:47.280 PSPS calls. Are there any other? Yes, Commissioner 01:34:47.289 --> 01:34:49.674 Rechtschaffen has his hand up first, yes. 01:34:49.698 --> 01:34:50.739 Well, thank you 01:34:50.739 --> 01:34:54.760 for raising that point, President Batjer. I've been 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.610 very focused on the battery delivery as well. Lee, could 01:34:57.610 --> 01:35:00.989 you send us the figures that you you quoted? Just send 01:35:00.989 --> 01:35:05.449 them around after the meeting. And for Edison. I had 01:35:05.460 --> 01:35:08.670 thought they had promised a lot more. Could you repeat 01:35:08.670 --> 01:35:12.639 what they said they had promised and what they 01:35:12.639 --> 01:35:15.079 delivered? Because I thought their promise was 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.139 more, was closer to the range of what PG&E had promised 01:35:18.150 --> 01:35:20.909 But maybe I misheard you in terms of what Edison 01:35:20.909 --> 01:35:22.716 promised and what they delivered. 01:35:22.740 --> 01:35:25.500 Thank you, Commissioner. 01:35:25.510 --> 01:35:29.610 Yes. Those numbers were they were SCE's goal for 2020 01:35:29.619 --> 01:35:33.570 was the offer to 2500 customers who meet the eligibility 01:35:33.570 --> 01:35:37.219 requirements enrollment in the program. As of 01:35:37.230 --> 01:35:40.599 the last report we received on October 15th, that program 01:35:40.599 --> 01:35:45.250 has been offered to 2480 for customers that qualified. 01:35:45.809 --> 01:35:49.750 Out of that number, per SEDs report, 400 customers 01:35:49.750 --> 01:35:53.730 have enrolled in the program. But to date only 200 01:35:53.730 --> 01:35:56.099 batteries have been deployed on. I'll absolutely send 01:35:56.099 --> 01:35:59.289 out all the numbers from the various utilities to yourself 01:35:59.300 --> 01:36:02.320 and the rest of the Commissioners. And let you 01:36:02.320 --> 01:36:04.690 know when we have to schedule follow up meetings with 01:36:04.699 --> 01:36:07.139 each of them to keep you appraised of the situation. 01:36:08.809 --> 01:36:10.574 Okay, maybe 01:36:10.586 --> 01:36:12.320 a different. They may have been referring 01:36:12.320 --> 01:36:15.360 to something different, but I remember from one of 01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:17.530 the briefings I thought I remember that they had 01:36:17.530 --> 01:36:20.889 promised a higher number of of batteries. Maybe not 01:36:20.900 --> 01:36:24.050 full batteries, batteries that could offset power and 01:36:24.050 --> 01:36:27.929 appliance in the event of a shut off. But I'll look 01:36:27.929 --> 01:36:29.872 for the follow up materials. 01:36:29.896 --> 01:36:31.380 I will also Commissioner 01:36:31.380 --> 01:36:34.349 Rechtschaffen look at the, we'll take a look at the, 01:36:34.360 --> 01:36:37.849 I don't have my file here but I'll take a look at 01:36:37.849 --> 01:36:41.159 what they put in their memo that answered our outstanding 01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:45.659 questions from the briefing that we had them all participate 01:36:45.659 --> 01:36:49.980 in August. And then they followed up with several answers 01:36:49.980 --> 01:36:53.920 to our questions in September, and battery is 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:57.429 was a portion of, batteries were one of the questions 01:36:57.429 --> 01:37:00.789 we asked about and I kept using those numbers with 01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:04.159 them during the recent PSPS, so I'll double check 01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:07.768 those for you as well Thank you. 01:37:07.792 --> 01:37:10.510 And yes, Commissioner Randolph? 01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:14.979 I have a question 01:37:14.991 --> 01:37:17.329 Lee about the customers who were de- 01:37:17.329 --> 01:37:21.260 energized with no notice. And you describe them slightly 01:37:21.260 --> 01:37:24.369 differently. When you were talking about the utilities 01:37:24.380 --> 01:37:29.150 with Edison and SDG&E, you mentioned that it 01:37:29.150 --> 01:37:31.750 was related to changes in the weather, but with PG&E 01:37:31.750 --> 01:37:35.460 I wasn't sure it, was that a weather issue 01:37:35.460 --> 01:37:39.000 or is that a difficulty in identifying the right 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:41.730 customers? Was there a distinction there between PG&E 01:37:41.730 --> 01:37:43.080 and the other utilities? 01:37:43.104 --> 01:37:45.059 Okay, thank you very 01:37:45.059 --> 01:37:48.579 much for the question, Commissioner. So as we are 01:37:48.579 --> 01:37:50.739 going through it right now and details are still coming 01:37:50.739 --> 01:37:53.869 out. But at the broad level right now, what it appears 01:37:53.869 --> 01:37:56.840 happened is PG&E had customers that they had originally 01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:01.599 scoped in by county and should have been noted and 01:38:01.599 --> 01:38:04.329 contacted. And there seems to been a process breakdown 01:38:04.329 --> 01:38:07.519 within PG&E between those customers who got notifications. 01:38:09.099 --> 01:38:12.420 I see. Okay, so you'll be following up to make sure 01:38:12.420 --> 01:38:15.920 that they address that. Understand the cause of that 01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:17.375 issue and address it. 01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:19.122 Absolutely. Yeah. 01:38:19.146 --> 01:38:20.079 Thank you. 01:38:20.090 --> 01:38:24.389 I think we noted it at the time. Lee remind me of 01:38:24.400 --> 01:38:27.389 I think we showed concern when it it occurred 01:38:27.389 --> 01:38:28.280 at the time. 01:38:28.304 --> 01:38:31.230 Yes, President Batjer, yes. So when it 01:38:31.230 --> 01:38:34.670 came about, it was immediately addressed. And, 01:38:34.679 --> 01:38:36.829 we'll be looking for in their 10 day report as well 01:38:37.400 --> 01:38:38.553 Yep, Absolutely. 01:38:38.577 --> 01:38:41.980 President Batjer. Just as a follow 01:38:41.980 --> 01:38:45.880 up. How many customers fall into that category with 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:49.320 PG&E. That were not noticed. That should have 01:38:49.320 --> 01:38:51.400 been. 01:38:51.400 --> 01:38:55.059 That swill be in PG&E's the 10 day report. So 01:38:55.059 --> 01:38:57.050 right now, I don't have those numbers yet as 01:38:57.059 --> 01:39:00.099 that has not come to yet. But once it does, we will 01:39:00.099 --> 01:39:03.054 definitely get that information out to you. 01:39:03.078 --> 01:39:04.047 Okay. Thank you. 01:39:04.071 --> 01:39:08.699 We can file a follow a report once we get the 10 days 01:39:08.710 --> 01:39:13.000 at the Commission meeting, we'll talk about doing 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.300 that. Yes, Commissioner Shiroma. Thank you. Commissioner 01:39:15.309 --> 01:39:17.611 Guzman Aceves. Commissioner Shiroma? 01:39:17.635 --> 01:39:18.429 Yes. Thank you. 01:39:18.789 --> 01:39:22.880 And thank you, Lee, for the presentation. We heard from 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.909 President Batjer that we're approaching the two year 01:39:25.909 --> 01:39:32.340 anniversary of the Camp Fire on and the horrendous 01:39:32.349 --> 01:39:37.030 experience in Paradise. And, folks, I'm very appreciative 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:41.679 to Lee in taking my team and also Commissioner Randolph's 01:39:41.690 --> 01:39:48.820 team up to Paradise in the aftermath to really 01:39:49.590 --> 01:39:52.119 you know, understand what happened. And I think that 01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:57.090 really helped inform us as we navigated through 01:39:57.099 --> 01:40:02.510 the important requirements, safety requirements 01:40:02.519 --> 01:40:06.969 that we adopted out and the investigations of 01:40:06.969 --> 01:40:09.460 what have you. So thank you, Lee, for all of those 01:40:09.469 --> 01:40:15.449 efforts then and now. My question really is to 01:40:15.460 --> 01:40:18.690 mainly in the hearing back from PG&E and the others on the 01:40:18.690 --> 01:40:23.179 customer resource centers. I, recently, was tracking that 01:40:23.190 --> 01:40:28.489 as far as how many were offered, number of customers 01:40:28.489 --> 01:40:31.980 who availed themselves of it. I think it's, you know 01:40:31.989 --> 01:40:36.840 really a potential best practices model 01:40:36.849 --> 01:40:39.869 and during the COVID environment, because 01:40:39.869 --> 01:40:44.059 of not only providing necessities to folks who came by, 01:40:44.070 --> 01:40:48.510 respite for folks who came by, but also are protecting 01:40:48.519 --> 01:40:51.699 both the customers and the employees during this 01:40:51.699 --> 01:40:55.409 COVID environment. So you know any insights from the 01:40:55.409 --> 01:41:03.239 utilities on how it went and what should 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:06.139 we do to improve those, you know, for the future? I 01:41:06.139 --> 01:41:10.079 think would be very helpful. Thank you. 01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:11.900 Thank you. Commissioner, I will definitely be reaching 01:41:11.900 --> 01:41:14.900 out to the you with regards to the CRCS to get their 01:41:14.900 --> 01:41:17.429 feedback, but also the community that they served. 01:41:17.440 --> 01:41:19.061 So thank you very much for your comments. 01:41:19.085 --> 01:41:21.099 Thank you, 01:41:21.110 --> 01:41:24.909 Commissioner Shiroma, it's very important. My quick observation 01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:28.929 is again, greatly, greatly improved, particularly PG&E 01:41:28.929 --> 01:41:32.570 service area over last year. But we haven't heard 01:41:32.570 --> 01:41:36.320 back from the counties and the communities yet as to 01:41:36.329 --> 01:41:39.860 how effective they were. I do want to note that 01:41:39.869 --> 01:41:45.599 Edison did not have as many per capita if as you will. 01:41:45.610 --> 01:41:48.900 I was a little bit concerned sometimes of a lack of 01:41:49.280 --> 01:41:52.820 of CRCs in the more rural areas of Edison's service 01:41:52.829 --> 01:41:55.460 territory. But again, we need to wait until we get 01:41:55.460 --> 01:41:59.110 those those reports back from both the utilities as 01:41:59.110 --> 01:42:02.809 well as some of the reports from our community 01:42:02.820 --> 01:42:06.159 liaisons. And I'm hoping to that Ken Holbrooke can 01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:10.199 add to those comments how effective the CRCs were that 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:15.019 were stationed near the tribal lands and those few 01:42:15.019 --> 01:42:18.519 times where there were CRCs actually on tribal 01:42:18.519 --> 01:42:23.039 land. So thank you again for that comment, and we'll 01:42:23.039 --> 01:42:26.300 double check on that, Commissioner Shiroma. Any other 01:42:26.300 --> 01:42:31.280 comments or thoughts for Lee. Okay, seeing none, thank 01:42:31.280 --> 01:42:34.829 you again, Lee, for your hard work and that of your 01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:38.460 enforcement staff. You did a terrific job keeping 01:42:38.460 --> 01:42:42.980 us all well informed and and very vigilant 01:42:42.989 --> 01:42:45.530 on all of the meetings. So appreciate it very much. 01:42:45.530 --> 01:42:49.065 And extremely important. And thank you. 01:42:49.089 --> 01:42:50.090 Thanks 01:42:50.090 --> 01:42:53.679 President Batjer. Thank you, Commissioners. 01:42:53.679 --> 01:42:57.099 Okay, with that, we will move on to Commissioner reports. 01:42:57.480 --> 01:43:03.789 Who among you would like to go first? Yes, Commissioner Shiroma? 01:43:04.369 --> 01:43:06.719 Okay. Thank you. I know we take turns. Thank you 01:43:06.719 --> 01:43:09.760 President Batjer. Just want to report out that on October 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:14.769 28, I was pleased to give a keynote speech at the 2020 01:43:14.769 --> 01:43:17.840 International Association of Transportation Regulators. 01:43:17.849 --> 01:43:21.949 They had a virtual conference this year and they did 01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:24.829 say, by the way, many thanks to Commissioner Randolph 01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:29.210 for appearing at their conference in 2019. So I was 01:43:29.210 --> 01:43:32.699 happy to provide an overview of our Commission's regulations 01:43:33.070 --> 01:43:37.500 over the transportation industry. More specifically 01:43:37.500 --> 01:43:42.099 to the transportation network company field of efforts. 01:43:42.570 --> 01:43:48.789 And I want to really thank the the team in our 01:43:48.789 --> 01:43:53.199 transportation section of the Consumer Protection 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:56.760 and Enforcement division. They are working hard 01:43:56.769 --> 01:43:59.019 on all sorts of things, and I was able to share that 01:43:59.030 --> 01:44:03.519 including our current efforts to modernize the licensing 01:44:03.519 --> 01:44:07.619 process for our some thousands of transportation carriers 01:44:07.619 --> 01:44:10.619 in California. Right now, it is paper driven, and we 01:44:10.619 --> 01:44:13.960 really need to be in a digital environment. And 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:16.460 then we have a Low Income Oversight Board meeting coming 01:44:16.460 --> 01:44:19.179 up, our quarterly Board meeting. It will be on December 01:44:19.179 --> 01:44:25.199 10th. Virtual again. WebEx. Folks can listen in virtually. 01:44:25.210 --> 01:44:29.400 The Low Income Oversight Board advises us, the Commission, 01:44:29.769 --> 01:44:33.269 on our Care, ESA proceedings and other low income and 01:44:33.280 --> 01:44:38.190 water programs. They provide advice to us on better outreach 01:44:38.199 --> 01:44:44.880 to their member's constituencies. And LIOB 01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:48.550 has a number of committees, and so their technical 01:44:48.550 --> 01:44:52.699 adviser committee is meeting on November 17th, and 01:44:52.710 --> 01:44:57.989 there will be a presentation on the tribal outreach 01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:01.000 report requirements for the investor owned utilities. 01:45:01.460 --> 01:45:05.840 Not only how they are reporting their activities, but 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:09.769 what are they doing and how effective are those outreach 01:45:09.769 --> 01:45:12.969 activities? These activities for the investor owned 01:45:12.969 --> 01:45:17.059 utilities are required by us in previous decisions. 01:45:17.059 --> 01:45:20.329 And again, that's November 17th. Then, on November 01:45:20.329 --> 01:45:23.300 18th, Emerging Trends will be meeting. Our Emerging 01:45:23.300 --> 01:45:27.940 Trends Committee, and in keeping with the theme 01:45:27.940 --> 01:45:31.539 of tribal outreach, we will be receiving a presentation 01:45:31.550 --> 01:45:36.090 from Ken Holbrooke, our tribal advisor on the status 01:45:36.099 --> 01:45:40.150 of the CPUC outreach efforts. Between those two 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:45.210 we should have a very good briefing and presentation 01:45:45.210 --> 01:45:50.059 on tribal outreach efforts. And then our quarterly 01:45:50.059 --> 01:45:53.400 meeting of the Universal Lifeline Telephone Service 01:45:53.409 --> 01:45:57.380 Administrative Committee. ULTSAC for short will 01:45:57.380 --> 01:46:01.909 be on December 16th, 1 PM, also on WebEx, and that 01:46:01.909 --> 01:46:04.789 committee functions as an advisory Board to us 01:46:05.260 --> 01:46:09.739 providing advice and recommendations on the lifeline 01:46:09.750 --> 01:46:14.159 program. Right. Thank you. 01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:18.760 Thank you for that update. Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:24.340 Thank you. The week after next on on November 18th, 01:46:24.349 --> 01:46:28.670 our policy and government committee will need to review 01:46:28.670 --> 01:46:32.699 how we've adapted our proceedings to ensure remote 01:46:32.699 --> 01:46:36.829 participation during COVID. We're going to hear best 01:46:36.829 --> 01:46:39.699 practices from our administrative law division and 01:46:39.699 --> 01:46:42.989 energy division. We're especially interested in hearing 01:46:42.989 --> 01:46:46.610 from parties and members of the public on how we're 01:46:46.610 --> 01:46:49.769 doing and what we could do to change. So if you're 01:46:49.769 --> 01:46:52.630 listening and if you participated in the hearing or 01:46:52.630 --> 01:46:56.750 workshop or voting meeting, please, we welcome 01:46:56.750 --> 01:47:01.900 your comments, November 18th at 10 AM The PUC is hiring. 01:47:01.900 --> 01:47:04.760 I want to make that announcement that loud and clear. 01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:09.219 Let it ring broadly across the webosphere, the 01:47:09.230 --> 01:47:12.860 ecosystem. Whatever we're broadcasting on. We had, 01:47:12.869 --> 01:47:17.300 last checked, 33 open positions, including an opportunity 01:47:17.300 --> 01:47:20.219 to lead our water division. There are environmental 01:47:20.219 --> 01:47:23.800 scientist positions, policy positions to help achieve 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:27.469 our decarbonization goals through transportation, electrification 01:47:27.949 --> 01:47:32.349 and others. Several attorney positions. Engineering, 01:47:32.349 --> 01:47:35.079 financial and auditor jobs, leadership positions and 01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:39.760 transportation, administrative positions and much more. 01:47:39.769 --> 01:47:44.239 You can look at our Cal HR website for postings and 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:48.920 their specific information at our job site. 01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:52.980 puc.ca.gov/jobs/ 01:47:52.980 --> 01:47:55.900 In difficult period where there's a lot of stress and 01:47:55.900 --> 01:47:59.309 uncertainty, we have a lot of exciting job positions 01:47:59.309 --> 01:48:02.400 that I encourage folks listening to spread the word. 01:48:02.619 --> 01:48:05.949 Thank you. 01:48:05.949 --> 01:48:07.137 Thank you, 01:48:07.149 --> 01:48:08.829 Commissioner Rechtschaffen. And I believe 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:10.990 Commissioner Guzman Aceves had her hand up. 01:48:11.014 --> 01:48:12.309 Thank you. 01:48:12.320 --> 01:48:17.389 I just want to remind everyone that Thursday, 01:48:17.389 --> 01:48:21.969 November 12, at 9 AM. From 9 Am to 12:30, we 01:48:21.969 --> 01:48:27.409 will be having our workshops looking at covid 01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:32.559 crisis and response opportunities within the energy 01:48:32.570 --> 01:48:38.230 customers and sectors. So hopefully you can join us 01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:41.690 there. Not only fellow Commissioners here, but 01:48:41.699 --> 01:48:44.820 the public to hear, actually have the opportunity 01:48:44.820 --> 01:48:48.260 hear what other states are doing and how we compare 01:48:48.269 --> 01:48:52.349 or potential ideas or adoptions of those ideas that 01:48:52.349 --> 01:48:57.710 we could consider, particularly as we face the 01:48:57.710 --> 01:49:01.690 end of the moratorium coming in the spring. The 01:49:01.699 --> 01:49:06.480 possibility, although it was pointed out for in our 01:49:06.480 --> 01:49:11.099 water workshop that many of you participated in, that 01:49:11.099 --> 01:49:15.880 there is a distinction, at least in the water executive 01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:21.349 order, and our decision to the utilities in 01:49:21.349 --> 01:49:25.599 the water sector on the timeline, and so we will need 01:49:25.599 --> 01:49:29.769 to address that discrepancy in terms of the executive 01:49:29.769 --> 01:49:34.530 order being tied to the end of the pandemic and ours 01:49:34.539 --> 01:49:38.369 being updated certain in April. So I just want to highlight 01:49:38.380 --> 01:49:41.900 the need for us as an example that's more of a technical 01:49:41.900 --> 01:49:45.460 issue, but a very critical element on timing. 01:49:45.469 --> 01:49:48.260 And so the need for us to continue to look at these 01:49:48.260 --> 01:49:52.119 issues and see how we need to adapt. In particular, 01:49:52.119 --> 01:49:57.099 for next spring. So hopefully you all can join us 01:49:57.110 --> 01:50:01.269 for that workshop and in the public as well, thank you. 01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.739 Thank you, Commissioner. Any other comments in the 01:50:05.739 --> 01:50:10.030 Commissioner's at this time for Commission reports? Okay 01:50:10.030 --> 01:50:15.210 well, seing none that then will conclude our public 01:50:15.210 --> 01:50:18.400 meeting. The meeting is now adjourned. Thank you all 01:50:18.400 --> 01:50:20.170 very much for participating today.