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Thank you for your patience.
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Will you
please start the feed?
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The line is open.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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And, welcome to the
fully virtual public meeting
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of the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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We're gonna spend the next few minutes
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going over the technology to
be used during the meeting,
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so, that we can all start together
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with our technology actually working.
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Okay, all the ways to
interact with the board
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during this meeting can be found on
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the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website
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at cpuc.ca.gov/WSAB/.
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This meeting will be live broadcast
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at the normal CPUC
live broadcast location,
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which is adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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It's probably the easiest way
to watch this public meeting
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as all the components
will be integrated there
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and restored...
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Recorded for all of prosperity.
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That's actually right, that's very cute,
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recorded for prosperity.
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Okay.
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Let's see, we're taking
a few minutes again
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to get our technology in order,
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we hope that everyone can
resolve any technology issues
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they have in advance, and
we can all start the meeting,
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all of us on the same page.
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Alright, to interact with the
board during the meeting,
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we have a phone number
and an operator on standby
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to queue the line.
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The call number is listed
on the meeting agenda,
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which can be found
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website
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and the main CPUC website.
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The phone number is 1-800-857-1917.
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The passcode is 1767567.
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Again, phone number is 1-800-857-1917,
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passcode 1767567.
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When you dial call, you'll
be in a listen only mode.
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If you'd like to participate
during public comment,
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please press *1 on the phone,
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you'll be added to the
public comment queue
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and called upon, I will
be your system operator.
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Alright.
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Public comment (static distort audio)
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in a Wildfire Safety Advisory
Board email box, that address,
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wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.ca.gov.
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Comments received here
to be read into the record,
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assuming they can be
read in under 3 minutes
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and all comments received will be posted
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to the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website
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after the meeting.
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In addition, the CPUC
public advisor is on standby,
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they're having additional
technical problems.
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Please don't hesitate to
reach out the public advisor
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either by email or phone as
public.advisor@CPUC.CA.gov,
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phone number is 866-849-8390.
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Okay, let's do a time check.
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We're at 104, our slide path
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I mean, Katherine,
we're getting close here.
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Okay, all of the way to
interact with the board
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can be found in the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board website,
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and again,
https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/WSAB/.
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The meeting will be live broadcast
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at the normal CPUC
live broadcast location,
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www.adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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This is probably the easiest
way to watch public meetings
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as all the components
will be integrated.
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Okay.
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We have as mentioned,
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interact with the board
during this meeting,
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we have a phone number
and (static distort audio) the line.
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To call, hang on just a second,
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I have background
noise so I've got to stop.
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Sorry.
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Excuse me.
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Okay.
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And again, one more time please,
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phone numbers for anybody
who missed it 1-800-857-1917,
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the passcode is 1767567.
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You call in, you'll be
in listen only mode.
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If you'd like to participate, press *1.
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Okay.
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Jamie, Katherine, are we
ready to open the meeting?
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I call this meeting ordered
today June 24th, 2020,
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this is the fourth meeting.
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Wildfire Safety Advisory Board,
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my name is Marcie Edwards,
I'll be your Chair today.
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I'd like to begin by thanking
my fellow board members
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for being with us in the first
and second virtual meeting.
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When we were putted in, 2019 actually,
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none of us thought we could
be doing virtual meetings
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and recently I think it's
doing very well, so far.
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I would also,
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in that same vein like to
thank our IT professional
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for your assistance in
ensuring this meeting,
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just like the last one runs smoothly.
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I'd like to begin today's meeting
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with the following acknowledgements.
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The persistence of
systemic racism impacts
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all corners of our society.
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Communities of color are
disproportionately affected
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by wildfire, wildfire
risk as well as pollution.
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Wildfire (static distort
audio)touches the lives
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of our most vulnerable communities,
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including individuals who are
elderly, disadvantaged kids,
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and those who cannot
participate in the development
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(static distort audio).
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Well, our primary role
is to provide guidance
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to the Wildfire Safety Division
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regarding wildfire education.
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We must examine our
own policies and programs
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with an eye for equity, diversity,
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and celebrate the humanity.
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It frankly belongs to each of us.
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And with that, I'd like
to turn this meeting over
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to the board members so that
they can say a few additional.
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Thank you chair Edwards.
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Can you all hear me?
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Great.
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I'd like to make a statement
about our current state
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in America.
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The members of the
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
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acknowledged the
persistence of systemic racism
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in the United States.
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American institutions have
been central instrumenting
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segregation and discrimination.
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For example, redlining
was an official policy
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that has resulted in Black
Americans nationwide
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living in more polluted
and resource poor region.
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Redlining was a process in which
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the home owner's loan
corporation, a federal agency,
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gave neighborhoods
ratings, guide innocence.
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Black neighborhoods, brown and red,
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were considered
habitus and not desirable
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for providing home loans.
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Now, ethnic color are
disproportionately affected
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by wildfires, wildfire
risks and it's pollution.
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Any institution that
does not acknowledge
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and ask to reverse the effects
of these historical policies
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act as an accomplice to them.
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As members of the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board,
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we commit to do our part in creating
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anti-racist institutional policies.
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I would like to begin enacting
this commitment to create,
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anti-racist policies
by proposing to span,
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the stakeholder cooperation
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and community engagement sections
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of the utility wildfire
mitigation maturity
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assessment section, of
the wildfire mitigation plan.
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In the 2020 guidelines,
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the section focus on communication with
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limited English proficiency
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and access and functional
needs populations.
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I recommend redefining
the section to better engage
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and address
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communities disproportionately
impacted by wildfire.
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The communities that include
an even broader coalition
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of impacted communities, including,
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the limited English language
proficiency population access
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and functional needs
population, communities of color,
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first nations and
resource for communities.
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I commit as a Wildfire Safety
Advisory board member,
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to pursue the wildfire safety
needs of communities of color,
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and resource for communities.
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I plan to engage with
community leadership
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within each of the noted communities
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and provide additional
focus on communities,
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disproportionately impacted by wildfire.
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My name is Mike, sorry,
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my aim is not a unilateral commitment
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to increase our work efforts,
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but it's an investment to
learn from these communities
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and benefit on their own
leadership and experience.
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They can understand the needs
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of our underserved
California communities,
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we must give that community
the seat at the table.
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To this end, I would like to
pursue the following paths.
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First, request community
needs assessment,
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or to engage with leaders
to complete community
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needs assessments of
underserved community in California,
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with respect to wildfire safety.
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Obviously, incorporate
leaders from community
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disproportionately
impacted by wildfire intervals
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directly impacting fire
policy and response.
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And in the future,
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ensure that the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board prioritizes
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recruiting leaders from
communities disproportionately
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impacted by wildfire to the board.
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Finally, we cannot change
what we can't name.
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Many Americans today
are unaware that redlining
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and other policies
existed equal recently.
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I commit to elaborating
with existing research
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and community
organizations in the field,
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towards the common goal of sharing
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this historical
information on the topic.
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I will be working with
our staff to add information
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to our three board
website on data, first here.
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If you're interested in
helping me with this topic,
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please contact me.
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You can find my
information on our website.
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In addition, my email address is
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doctorchrisbelblock@CTPT.CA.com.
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Thank you board members,
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and I look forward to
collaborating with all of you
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and CPUC on this matter.
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We can't hear you Marcie.
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Alright, so it's
fine, is that so?
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I'd like to send right over
to Vice Chair Diane Fellman,
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to lead us in pledging allegiance.
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Thank you.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag
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Of the United
States of America
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and to the Republic for which it stands,
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one Nation
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under God,
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indivisible,
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with liberty and justice for all.
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I now, hand the meeting
over to Jamie Ormond
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Thank you, Vice Chair Fellman.
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This is usually the
time we go over the axis
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on location background.
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Instead,
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experience to take a look
around our current location
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to consider our safety options.
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We are doing our best to
make this virtual meeting
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to have the best access as possible.
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All of the information
about this meeting
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can be found on the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board website,
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www cpuc.ca.gov/WSAB,
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links to all the documents
that we will be discussing today
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can be found there.
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The documents include,
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the minutes from the April 15th meeting,
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the agenda for today.
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Recommendations,
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on the 2021 wildfire
mitigation plan guidelines,
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performance metrics and safety culture.
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Today's PowerPoint presentation,
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that is running during this meeting.
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And with that, I'd like to turn
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the meeting back over to Chair Edwards.
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Thank you.
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(static distort audio)
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Alright, I was thinking
housekeeping portion of the meeting
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till it's complete, but no,
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we have one more review to go through.
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Let's talk very quickly
about the agenda.
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We're gonna begin today
with public comments.
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Yes or no it's repetitive,
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but it's important,
given the virtual nature
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of these meeting, to
ensure that everyone knows
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how to be able to see
his face, if they so choose.
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So, again, the phone
number +1 800-685-71917,
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passcode is 1767567.
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You press *1 on your
phone to get in the queue,
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there might be a delay.
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You press *1 and when the
operator places you in the queue,
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so, please be patient.
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Public comment is
critical for us to hear
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and we will do our best to make sure,
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that we hear from everyone
who wants to address the board.
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After public comments,
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we will discuss and
potentially adopt the minutes
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from the April 15th board meeting.
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Following that,
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the board will take up the
topic of our recommendations
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on the 2021 wildfire
mitigation plan guidelines,
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performance metrics and safety culture.
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Public comment on this slide,
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and we'll be beginning with the items,
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and the board will discuss
the recommendations,
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and then the recommendations
will be put to a vote.
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At the conclusion of this
item, we'll take a stretch break.
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After the stretch break,
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we'll turn to the topic of
the Publicly Owned Utilities
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and the template that
they use, their wealth,
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our mitigation plan.
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There will be another
opportunity for public comments,
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for presentation and discussion.
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Following that, the board will discuss
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the Wildfire Safety Division
wrap Strategy Document.
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We look forward to speaking
with, Director Caroline
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on the speaker about division,
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for the future of the division,
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and we will subsequently discuss.
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And finally,
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Wildfire Safety Division
management presentation
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on their most recent work
efforts (static distort audio)
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and review process,
and why is that date?
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Subsequent to that we
will adjourn the meeting.
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So, thereby, ready?
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Nod at me.
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Excellent.
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Alright, good.
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We're gonna start today's minutes
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because I clearly have
not read this phone number
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and I have to.
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Please be patient as we
move through to the panel,
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so, let's get started.
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First, I'd like to check the
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
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email box, Ms.
Katherine Stockton,
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do you have any email communications?
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One moment.
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The only email
communication I ever received,
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is from Susie Berlin and she says that,
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"The audio is frankly."
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We are aware of this issue.
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So, please be patient
with us, thank you.
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We'll work on it.
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So, it's probably my
microphone, unfortunately.
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Alright, as I confirm with
our telephone operator,
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do you have any public
comment on Fellman?
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I currently have
no public comment.
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Alright, thank you very much.
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This should...
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I'm hearing nothing, close
out on the comment period.
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Okay.
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Literally slides (static
distort audio) there we go.
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And we move on to the
next topic of the agenda.
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The April 15th board meeting minutes,
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meeting minutes can be found
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website.
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It is my hope, everyone has had a chance
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to review the minutes.
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And, do we have any edits or
edition to the meeting minutes?
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There is none.
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I would like to ask for a vote
to adopt the meeting minutes,
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on April 15th 2020.
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Board Member
Porter, second sir.
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Thank you, it's been
moved and seconded.
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All those in favor.
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Aye.
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Aye.
Alright.
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We'll take that vote
next on the agenda,
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that's under the board's
recommendation of 2021.
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All affirmative mitigation
plan guidelines,
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performance metrics and safety culture.
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So, pursuant to the
recommendations of Senate Bill 1054,
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the board has some of the
recommendations on the 2021
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wildfire mitigation plan guidelines.
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Before we get into
our fourth conversation,
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it's recommendation.
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We would, again, reveal to the public.
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We're gonna hold...
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We're gonna hold public comments again.
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I don't want anyone to complain to me,
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after the fact that there
was insufficient opportunity,
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for the public to participate.
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All right.
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First, Katherine Stockton,
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do we had any email communication?
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We do not have any
other email communication.
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Thank you.
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I'd like to check with
our phone operators,
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do we have any public comment online?
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We currently have
no public comment.
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Thank you very much.
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Okay, before we get into
comments from Board nation,
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I'd like to invite our staff
to make a brief presentation
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summarizing the 23
different recommendations.
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So, any person ready?
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Yep.
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All right.
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Thank you, Chair Edwards.
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So, just before the
board begins to liberating,
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we're gonna take a moment,
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to briefly summarize each of
the boards recommendations,
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that are contained within
the document entitled,
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recommendations on the 2021
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wildfire mitigation plan
guidelines, performance metrics
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and safety culture.
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We will reference each
recommendation by numbers,
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so, you can follow along,
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for everyone attending
today's board meeting,
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you could download the full
2021 recommendations document
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website.
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The recommendations are organized
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into six different categories,
including structural,
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those in line
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with wildfire safety
division guidance resolution,
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those that go beyond what was identified
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in the guidance resolution.
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Recommendations on performance metrics,
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several strategies for
improving safety culture
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and finally, recommendations
that would likely require
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action outside of the
wildfire mitigation plan.
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Thank you, Jamie.
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I'm gonna take just a
moment to pause too, so that,
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the camera of the
slide catches up with us
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for my face, atleast,
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because there's a 30
second delay between when
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the AdminMonitor
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sees us.
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So, section 1 includes
structural recommendations
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that offer improvements to
how the wildfire mitigation plans
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are organized, and
how the data is reported.
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Section 1.1, proposes minor
changes to the guidelines,
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focusing around the 10 mitigation
areas and lessons learned.
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Section 1.2, recommends
that the utilities highlight
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the laws and proceedings
that shaped program activities
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in the narrative of the
wildfire mitigation plan write up.
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Section 1.3, urgency Wildfire
Safety Division to establish,
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an achievable convention
schedule for the 2021
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wildfire mitigation plan
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that its regulators
stakeholders and the division for
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access and the utilities.
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Section 1.4, suggests that the
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2021 wildfire mitigation
plan guidelines,
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should maximize efficiencies
by balancing data submission,
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quarterly reporting and
program implementation reporting.
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Section 2, contains
recommendations that generally align
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with Wildfire Safety Division
guidance, resolution 002.
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When the board reviewed
the guidance resolution,
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many of the boards 2021
recommendations aligned
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with the information that
resolution provided the utilities.
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For example,
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section 2.1, opposes that
utilities provide a deeper risk
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and efficiency analysis
on each mitigation measure
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at the circuit level.
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Section 2.2, recommends
additional training and standards
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for qualified electrical workers.
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Section 2.3, recommends
updating the CPUC Fire-Threat Map,
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and using additional
risk assessment tool
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to guide utility implementation
of mitigation measures.
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In section 2.4, recommends
greater standardization
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of data collected across
utilities for better compatibility.
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Looking ahead, section 3
includes recommendations
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for 2020 wildfire
mitigation plan guidelines
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that push further than the guidance,
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the Wildfire Safety
Division guidance resolution
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I had imagined.
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Section 3.1, proposes
additional scientific review
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of modeling inputs and assumptions
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and suggest that those
should occur before the...
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Before the implement extensions are used
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in the wildfire mitigation programs.
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Section 3.2, recommends
developing a data access portal
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and a hierarchy of data provision,
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to allow interested parties to access
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a variety of levels of wildfire data,
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and models used to make this decision.
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Section 3.3, sets the expectation that,
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scientific justifications
used to make this decision
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be clarified in advance of
program implementation,
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especially, in the area of
vegetation management.
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Section 3.4, just
additional training programs
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for a variety of
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utility workers
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and in evaluation of workforce equity
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to mitigate the shrinking
pool of employee resources.
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Section 3.5, recommends that
vegetation management practices
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align with the best available plan.
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Section 3.6, proposes partnerships
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with utility equipment suppliers
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to mitigate constraints
on supply resources.
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And section 3.7, recommends
close collaboration
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between Wildfire Safety
Division subject matter experts,
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and the CPUC general rate case experts.
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When the reasonableness
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of the wildfire mitigation
implementation costs
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are considered.
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Section 4, contains a
couple of recommendations
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on utility wildfire safety
performance metrics.
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Section 4.1, opposes that
Wildfire Safety Division,
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the Commission and
stakeholders deliberate
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and implement a new utility
electric resiliency threshold,
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in order to reduce the
risks of utility ignited wildfire.
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That also, significantly reduces the use
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of the public safety power shut off
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as the wildfire risk
mitigation tool of choice.
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This new threshold, would
enable utilities to deploy
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wildfire risk reduction
tools in a coordinated
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and cost effective manner,
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in order to create an electric grid
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that the utilities
could run confidently,
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in higher winds scenarios.
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The board stands ready,
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to assist the regulatory
and utility communities
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to help develop this
threshold that would permit
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the electric system
to constantly operate
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under windy conditions.
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Section 4.2, recommends
additional performance metrics
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and recording in the area
of community outreach
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and emergency preparedness,
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so, that Wildfire Safety
Division and the CPUC
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can properly evaluate effectiveness
00:25:12.800 --> 00:25:14.703
of utility programs in this area.
00:25:16.840 --> 00:25:18.670
Section 5, includes,
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recommendations
on utility safety culture.
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Here, board urges
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the utility use wildfire
mitigation planning,
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:29.040
and implementation as a springboard
00:25:29.040 --> 00:25:31.890
to improve their safety culture.
00:25:31.890 --> 00:25:33.910
Section 5.1, suggests that,
00:25:33.910 --> 00:25:37.720
new group be created to
study black swan events,
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.700
to help utilities prepare
for future safety events
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that are outside of the
standard areas of analysis.
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Section 5.2, proposes that,
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.990
safety assurance language be inserted
00:25:49.990 --> 00:25:51.880
into the utility board of director
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.320
and manager level job descriptions,
00:25:54.320 --> 00:25:58.120
so, that accountability can
be enacted when necessary.
00:25:58.120 --> 00:26:00.040
section 5.3, recommends that,
00:26:00.040 --> 00:26:04.200
high level utility safety
standards be maintained over time.
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:05.940
And section 5, recommends that,
00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:09.110
post accident followup
briefings and learning
00:26:09.110 --> 00:26:12.510
becoming more standardized
and integrated aspects
00:26:12.510 --> 00:26:16.793
of the utility electrical, the
electric utility landscape.
00:26:18.690 --> 00:26:23.080
Finally, section 6, of the
board 2021 recommendations,
00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:25.890
include recommendations
that will likely need action
00:26:25.890 --> 00:26:29.190
by the legislature our
Governor to implement.
00:26:29.190 --> 00:26:33.270
Section 6.1, recommends
that Wildfire Safety Division
00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:36.160
remain the California public utilities,
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.410
in the midst of an
international pandemic
00:26:38.410 --> 00:26:41.960
that has slowed facility
wildfire plan implementation,
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.520
for citizens to shelter in
place, all across the state,
00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:50.370
and resulted in over
5,515 deaths in California.
00:26:50.370 --> 00:26:53.460
It is an inefficient use of time, energy
00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:56.860
and budget resources to
move Wildfire Safety Division
00:26:56.860 --> 00:26:59.160
to another agency at this time.
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.020
Well, this move may have
been reasonable in 2019
00:27:02.020 --> 00:27:05.290
when Assembly Bill 1054 was considered,
00:27:05.290 --> 00:27:07.920
the significant change to
our working environment
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.020
since then, require that
Wildfire Safety Division
00:27:11.020 --> 00:27:13.370
and staff members at all of our agencies
00:27:13.370 --> 00:27:15.980
direct all of our attention and efforts,
00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:18.830
wildfire risk reduction,
wildfire mitigation work,
00:27:18.830 --> 00:27:20.290
and safety.
00:27:20.290 --> 00:27:22.010
Finally, 6.2,
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suggests several topic
areas for further investigation.
00:27:26.760 --> 00:27:29.610
And with that, thank you
Chair of the Board, back to you.
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Thank you very much.
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:37.900
That's a very good job ladies and...
00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:42.900
Well, I'm sure, we'll get you
to think of the organization
00:27:43.916 --> 00:27:47.166
(static distort audio)
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in English language to
be as cohesive as it was.
00:27:58.860 --> 00:28:02.040
I am so impressed, with the two of you.
00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:04.493
So, I just wanted to
insert that very quickly.
00:28:05.330 --> 00:28:09.543
Alright, it's time we're
looking to get through
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(static distort audio) recommendation...
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Individual Board Members.
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Then I would like to start
with Vice Chair Fellman.
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Alright, thank
you Chair Edwards.
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.023
Must point out, the
secret of bedding ahead
00:28:24.023 --> 00:28:27.640
it's get started, and that's
what the Board has done.
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.030
Since our January kickoff meeting,
00:28:30.030 --> 00:28:33.117
we have forged the
framework that builds the 2021,
00:28:34.907 --> 00:28:38.330
and it's really been
amazing for six months effort.
00:28:38.330 --> 00:28:41.770
And I wanna extend my
thanks to you Chair Edwards,
00:28:41.770 --> 00:28:45.027
leading us the board all the way,
00:28:45.027 --> 00:28:50.027
or just jumping in and
doing all the hard work
00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:53.100
you're dividing your execution team work
00:28:53.100 --> 00:28:54.227
and a lot of patient.
00:28:54.227 --> 00:28:57.633
And I'll add my thanks
to all the members of staff.
00:28:59.340 --> 00:29:02.960
Ulike 2020, which was a reactor
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document in our recommendations,
00:29:05.450 --> 00:29:09.370
led to the wildfire
mitigation plan guidelines
00:29:09.370 --> 00:29:12.320
and that means one team
that already (static audio).
00:29:12.320 --> 00:29:16.070
The 2021 mitigation
that clear out(static audio)
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Jamie and Stockton just
gave a very brief summary
00:29:19.466 --> 00:29:21.630
on Wildfire Safety Division strategy.
00:29:21.630 --> 00:29:24.754
I wanna highlight several
themes that stood out
00:29:24.754 --> 00:29:26.490
in our review.
00:29:26.490 --> 00:29:29.528
First, I want you to
understand that we are aware
00:29:29.528 --> 00:29:33.363
and have incorporated
the myriad of effort
00:29:33.363 --> 00:29:38.363
that the CPUC align underway,
on while recommendation.
00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:43.280
We believe that these
efforts they have to stand out
00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:47.530
in the admitted (static distort audio)
00:29:47.530 --> 00:29:49.532
and the recommended guidelines
00:29:49.532 --> 00:29:52.000
(static distort audio)
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.637
but incorporate what else
CPUC (static distort audio).
00:29:57.690 --> 00:30:02.690
We also did our gap analysis
where there may be area
00:30:06.176 --> 00:30:10.200
for further elements
and guidance on the part
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.163
of the regulators for the majorities.
00:30:14.467 --> 00:30:19.467
In this era of COVID, we
are supportive and emphasize
00:30:22.930 --> 00:30:27.930
the 54 combined capacity and wildfire.
00:30:30.520 --> 00:30:34.550
Whereas, (static distort audio)
because we have a pandemic
00:30:34.550 --> 00:30:37.320
and all of us are sheltered in a place.
00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:42.320
Lastly, we want to acknowledge
the developers individually
00:30:42.487 --> 00:30:46.730
(static distort audio)
individual efforts,
00:30:46.730 --> 00:30:49.300
and work today (static distort audio)
00:30:49.300 --> 00:30:54.217
adopted by the public
Commission of resolution
00:30:54.217 --> 00:30:57.420
who general signed it
and for each eye on view.
00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:01.599
And the community, we
also acknowledge that we,
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:06.599
eventually, totally
(static distort audio)
00:31:08.861 --> 00:31:11.330
that will be the potential
impact of wildfires
00:31:11.330 --> 00:31:14.990
efficient wildfire and
neihbourhood impacts.
00:31:14.990 --> 00:31:17.138
So, I looked at the session today
00:31:17.138 --> 00:31:21.190
and I hand the meeting
back to you, Chair Edward.
00:31:21.190 --> 00:31:22.940
Thank you Vice
Chair Diane Fellman,
00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:26.090
I think your words are of knowledge,
00:31:26.090 --> 00:31:28.293
they are appreciated by all of us.
00:31:29.210 --> 00:31:33.133
With that, I guess we can
hear from Board Member Porter.
00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:37.250
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
00:31:37.250 --> 00:31:41.470
Yeah, I get to echo the
words of Vice Chair Fellman,
00:31:41.470 --> 00:31:46.280
even louder of how, in a
such a short period of time,
00:31:46.280 --> 00:31:50.570
this body with extensive experience
00:31:50.570 --> 00:31:52.780
and credible knowledge
00:31:52.780 --> 00:31:57.350
of the particulars
of mitigating on fires
00:31:57.350 --> 00:31:59.907
and how well we've worked together,
00:31:59.907 --> 00:32:03.270
and trying to put forth in
the 2021 recommendations,
00:32:03.270 --> 00:32:05.403
something that's more proactive.
00:32:08.711 --> 00:32:11.230
And we truly believe, or I do that,
00:32:11.230 --> 00:32:16.230
they're obtainable and
definitely deliverable by the IOU.
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.380
What we're asking for,
00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:22.680
is looking to take what they have
00:32:27.303 --> 00:32:28.640
and what they have in personnel,
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:33.640
and bringing training to
them that meets or exceeds
00:32:33.710 --> 00:32:38.690
the wildfire divisions and
independent inspectors,
00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:42.520
where for them to help us,
00:32:42.520 --> 00:32:46.690
help them solve problems that...
00:32:46.690 --> 00:32:49.900
That they ultimately would
face moving forward and
00:32:51.210 --> 00:32:54.323
making these recommendations actionable.
00:32:55.930 --> 00:33:00.900
And, the fact that they are receptive,
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:04.037
at least to public comment is incorrect.
00:33:06.410 --> 00:33:07.243
Again,
00:33:09.107 --> 00:33:14.107
I'm humbled by the other six
board members that I work with,
00:33:15.350 --> 00:33:18.580
without them, the work that
we've done wouldn't be possible.
00:33:18.580 --> 00:33:22.200
And the staff again,
I think I said earlier,
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.390
sometimes taking all the ramblings
00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:29.390
and making them more cohesive
and actionable is amazing.
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.853
But again, I am extremely humbled.
00:33:36.800 --> 00:33:39.463
So, back to you, Chair Edwards.
00:33:43.543 --> 00:33:46.820
And again, your list
is whatever appeals
00:33:46.820 --> 00:33:48.810
to any individual.
00:33:48.810 --> 00:33:51.610
I hope that those words
continue to resonate.
00:33:51.610 --> 00:33:54.233
With that, Board Member
Mader, let's hear from you.
00:34:05.883 --> 00:34:06.716
Board Member Mader,
00:34:06.716 --> 00:34:08.443
can you unmute your microphone, please?
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.217
Thanks, I had a little prepared
statement already together
00:34:14.217 --> 00:34:17.300
but I forgot to unmute myself.
00:34:17.300 --> 00:34:19.099
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:20.610
I'd like to start by acknowledging
00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:23.020
the work of the Wildfire Safety Division
00:34:23.020 --> 00:34:24.927
and also thank all the board members.
00:34:24.927 --> 00:34:27.450
And of course, our
staff that have all these...
00:34:27.450 --> 00:34:28.880
These recommendations,
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.580
which I believe will benefit
the people of California.
00:34:32.680 --> 00:34:35.700
I'm gonna trust the
00:34:35.700 --> 00:34:38.830
recommendations that I
was primarily responsible
00:34:38.830 --> 00:34:40.554
for initiating.
00:34:40.554 --> 00:34:43.477
And, I want to pull to,
00:34:43.477 --> 00:34:45.410
you know, I want to develop
00:34:45.410 --> 00:34:47.690
the system hardening, electric utility,
00:34:47.690 --> 00:34:52.690
resiliency professionals, or
the grid RD operating criteria,
00:34:53.130 --> 00:34:56.430
and a specific deficiency calculation
00:34:56.430 --> 00:34:59.793
that considers the risk of
public safety power shut down.
00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:04.067
It's in bed in the W and P,
00:35:04.067 --> 00:35:07.270
the wildfire mitigation plan guidelines,
00:35:07.270 --> 00:35:09.140
an in-common methodology.
00:35:09.140 --> 00:35:11.530
It can also be used in
sermon homes worth
00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:14.410
that cost effectively
to reduce wildfire risk,
00:35:14.410 --> 00:35:19.410
and also, to reduce the
use of public PFCs at hand,
00:35:20.232 --> 00:35:22.020
with the same or similar amount
00:35:22.020 --> 00:35:24.430
of research resources furniture,
00:35:24.430 --> 00:35:27.413
then just to address
the risk of wildfire.
00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:32.620
I would like to know that
our draft recommendations,
00:35:32.620 --> 00:35:35.793
I initially turned similar
to those in AB 1064.
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:38.210
I thought it would help readers
00:35:38.210 --> 00:35:40.713
to be more readily
understand this concept.
00:35:41.620 --> 00:35:43.480
I did not achieve that goal.
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:47.660
Apparently, I induced more
than one PTSD incident.
00:35:47.660 --> 00:35:48.493
And I thank...
00:35:48.493 --> 00:35:50.470
Thank you to all of those economists,
00:35:50.470 --> 00:35:53.020
because you're able to identify
that these and that language
00:35:53.020 --> 00:35:55.580
helps in trying in the
understanding of the concept.
00:35:55.580 --> 00:35:59.780
And every name he named
is to the system hardening,
00:35:59.780 --> 00:36:01.680
electric utility resiliency threshold.
00:36:04.010 --> 00:36:06.690
Recommendation 2.1, this inefficiency,
00:36:06.690 --> 00:36:09.500
and 4.1, electric utility resiliency
00:36:09.500 --> 00:36:11.100
and risk reduction threshold,
00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:15.010
are meant to be (static distort audio)
00:36:17.205 --> 00:36:20.670
To demonstrate this concept,
I would like to use an example,
00:36:20.670 --> 00:36:22.327
to more effectively desccribe.
00:36:23.738 --> 00:36:25.500
Today actually, I'm gonna
cover some concepts
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:26.350
and the function.
00:36:27.290 --> 00:36:29.673
So, wildfire risk reduction,
00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:33.570
hardening such as the use of color
00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:37.050
or a conductor
00:36:37.050 --> 00:36:39.870
or enhanced maintenance
define an address,
00:36:39.870 --> 00:36:44.870
noncompliance plan and enhance all we do
00:36:45.141 --> 00:36:47.391
to reduce risk of wildfire.
00:36:49.299 --> 00:36:51.363
All we do is until the initial,
00:36:51.363 --> 00:36:52.196
all fire ecology is conceivable
00:36:52.196 --> 00:36:54.530
to the application
assessment mitigation.
00:36:54.530 --> 00:36:59.180
Couldn't make it operate a
circuit at a higher wound speed.
00:36:59.180 --> 00:37:04.180
Then added level
of risk in that circuit.
00:37:05.590 --> 00:37:09.770
This reduction in the corn
company operating criteria,
00:37:09.770 --> 00:37:14.450
that'd be quantified to a
minimum acceptable, special.
00:37:14.450 --> 00:37:16.250
It would be more possible to operate
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.163
with that risk reduction warrants,
00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:23.483
system hardening,
electric utility threshold.
00:37:25.095 --> 00:37:26.420
(static distort audio)
00:37:26.420 --> 00:37:28.190
It's not a one size fits all.
00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:30.710
I use fulfill dam to develop,
00:37:30.710 --> 00:37:35.500
continue to operate their
current standard and the WWFC,
00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:40.500
rather if the WFC does well,
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.213
it would most likely
be a floor in other field.
00:37:45.368 --> 00:37:49.230
So, the goals of the
(static distort audio)
00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:51.323
currently the wildfire
mitigation plan guideline
00:37:51.323 --> 00:37:55.800
need to direct the IOU to
consider the reduction of wildfire
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.267
as the outback of the
risk (static distort audio).
00:38:00.850 --> 00:38:03.850
The WNC also set a thought within on
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.413
public safety power shut
down to address wildfire risk,
00:38:10.522 --> 00:38:13.250
all recommendation
combined as the object
00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:17.963
of our mitigation plan population.
00:38:19.810 --> 00:38:24.207
With the development of both
iteration consequences of PFCs
00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:28.210
at relative efficiency calculation,
00:38:28.210 --> 00:38:32.133
after all public power,
since DSPs do effect.
00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:36.063
And the system
hardening electric utility,
00:38:37.210 --> 00:38:39.000
it's possible to analyze the application
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.080
of wildfire risk reduction
mitigation projects
00:38:42.080 --> 00:38:44.937
for the projected value,
with respect to both
00:38:44.937 --> 00:38:49.691
the wildfire risk reduction
and power safety.
00:38:49.691 --> 00:38:52.717
Public safety power
shutdown, reliance deception,
00:38:54.528 --> 00:38:57.684
that this is intended to
achieve the standards
00:38:57.684 --> 00:38:59.460
on the part of the IU.
00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:01.500
It sounds that the circuits
study are compliant
00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:03.103
with existing scan PBS.
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.830
So, going to the example,
00:39:08.830 --> 00:39:10.950
I may lose some of
you during this example,
00:39:10.950 --> 00:39:14.193
and I'm willing to talk with anybody,
00:39:14.193 --> 00:39:17.790
to contact me for the
sake of this example,
00:39:17.790 --> 00:39:22.790
address stay when threshold, property,
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.913
as well as under simplification.
00:39:26.913 --> 00:39:29.770
So, we're gonna talk
about transmission line one
00:39:29.770 --> 00:39:33.880
and transmission line
one third, this Valley,
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:36.260
and had three cessation.
00:39:36.260 --> 00:39:38.310
Transmission line
one is ready to operate,
00:39:38.310 --> 00:39:42.923
the 55 miles per hour
and free substations.
00:39:44.690 --> 00:39:47.180
The transmission line and the cessation
00:39:47.180 --> 00:39:50.740
are all in the high fire district.
00:39:50.740 --> 00:39:53.890
Each substation feeds one third,
00:39:53.890 --> 00:39:56.547
which will be circuit 1, substation 1,
00:39:56.547 --> 00:40:01.273
circuit 2 in substation 2,
and circuit 3, substations 3,
00:40:02.130 --> 00:40:05.080
each circuit has 2 sections
00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:09.053
separated by a remotely
operational operatable device.
00:40:10.450 --> 00:40:14.180
Each circuit in all mine
sessions have similar property
00:40:14.180 --> 00:40:19.180
and wildfire risk profile,
except for the three section 2,
00:40:19.343 --> 00:40:21.310
which has a much higher risk profile,
00:40:21.310 --> 00:40:23.793
made a denser for it and
consequence projection.
00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:28.760
That is because 33 sections 2,
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.980
just hypothetical feed
the refinery at the bottom
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:34.666
in a month, I heavily
bullied around this area
00:40:34.666 --> 00:40:37.366
and instead of urban zone
on the top of that mountain.
00:40:38.380 --> 00:40:41.350
For sections 1 and 2,
00:40:41.350 --> 00:40:45.827
the first one it's action
are realiable and very short,
00:40:45.827 --> 00:40:49.593
for section two, are very
long to have low density.
00:40:51.350 --> 00:40:56.350
Okay, three section one, is
long and has a low density.
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.050
And section two, is
a circuit three is short,
00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:04.743
and as I mentioned, highly
risky and customer dense.
00:41:07.970 --> 00:41:10.690
All three sections are
currently based ready
00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:13.440
to operate up to 35 miles per hour,
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:18.280
sustained by the IOU
that operates with service.
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:23.028
Without the consideration,
other PSPS also,
00:41:23.028 --> 00:41:27.643
or have experienced 2
PFCs in the last three years,
00:41:28.717 --> 00:41:33.717
each year and whenever
he's 45 miles hour to say,
00:41:33.947 --> 00:41:38.391
I put one section one
and all other sessions
00:41:38.391 --> 00:41:41.474
on a circuit one and circuit 2 and 3,
00:41:42.518 --> 00:41:46.860
every 55 miles per
hour or 65 miles per hour.
00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:50.640
All sections are projected
to continue to experience
00:41:50.640 --> 00:41:54.330
the same historical wind profile
because they've experienced
00:41:54.330 --> 00:41:55.223
into the future.
00:41:57.828 --> 00:42:02.113
With the application of 2.1 and 4.1,
00:42:02.113 --> 00:42:06.720
a tiny does it any beneficial
CNL transmission one
00:42:06.720 --> 00:42:10.613
and a transmission in
circuits that transmission line.
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:17.159
You have threshold and including
the consequences of a PFDs
00:42:18.470 --> 00:42:20.360
as another risk considered
when it determines
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:24.060
the application of three
hardening techniques,
00:42:24.060 --> 00:42:27.903
it determined that it is
applied with one infection one,
00:42:27.903 --> 00:42:30.200
that was most likely to
eliminate the need for,
00:42:30.200 --> 00:42:33.820
two, get PS events
annually for a couple reasons,
00:42:33.820 --> 00:42:35.930
certainly one section one.
00:42:35.930 --> 00:42:39.006
Because it's determined
that is able to operate at
00:42:39.006 --> 00:42:43.330
that short semi-urban or
that circuit at a wind speed
00:42:43.330 --> 00:42:45.940
higher than the projected wind speed,
00:42:45.940 --> 00:42:47.990
which is based on
historical performance.
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.181
In addition that,
00:42:50.181 --> 00:42:54.527
what I read from
operating 31, section one,
00:42:56.150 --> 00:42:59.270
it means that the risk of
operating section three,
00:42:59.270 --> 00:43:02.430
section two, is so high,
00:43:02.430 --> 00:43:05.400
that the second most
efficient risk inefficiency,
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.240
is the implementation of
wildfire mitigation techniques
00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:10.560
in circuit three, section two.
00:43:10.560 --> 00:43:12.833
Even though that's ending,
it's not projected to lower
00:43:12.833 --> 00:43:16.760
the number of PFCs, because
it won't be able to circuit.
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:21.210
It will be fed by section
three, second circuit three,
00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:25.553
section one, which will not
have a higher rated ability.
00:43:30.740 --> 00:43:34.340
So, what happened here, is
that because they were able,
00:43:34.340 --> 00:43:36.940
they heard the consequence of the PSPS
00:43:37.780 --> 00:43:40.270
and they understood the risk review,
00:43:40.270 --> 00:43:44.790
they went at it before risk
reduction, operating criteria.
00:43:44.790 --> 00:43:49.790
They were able to allocate
those particular mitigation plan.
00:43:50.180 --> 00:43:55.180
They were both the same
amount of wildfire, correct.
00:43:55.830 --> 00:43:59.900
And also, were able to reduce
the number of PSPS events
00:43:59.900 --> 00:44:04.740
by circuit one, section
one, by two PFPs events,
00:44:04.740 --> 00:44:06.163
projected annually.
00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:10.800
I know that this
analysis is complicated.
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.023
This component parts
are relatively simple.
00:44:13.970 --> 00:44:15.680
These are the types of analysis details
00:44:15.680 --> 00:44:17.880
that every utility should consider,
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.710
for wildfire mitigation
program implementation,
00:44:20.710 --> 00:44:23.909
in order to get more
benefit for their customers
00:44:23.909 --> 00:44:27.163
from that... From those
resource expenditures.
00:44:28.290 --> 00:44:31.220
Even when there's
urgency to reduce risk,
00:44:31.220 --> 00:44:33.380
we must not shy away from the detail,
00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:35.250
rather than we should embrace them
00:44:35.250 --> 00:44:37.850
and study how we can
address PSPS reduction
00:44:37.850 --> 00:44:40.923
while achieving the same
amount of wildfire risk reduction.
00:44:42.041 --> 00:44:44.813
New concept is a way
that we can do just that,
00:44:46.030 --> 00:44:47.450
thank you Chair Edwards for allowing me
00:44:47.450 --> 00:44:49.247
to make this comments.
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:52.160
Thank you, Board Member Mader,
00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:55.710
your technical expertise
is both admirable
00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:57.600
and terrifying at the same time.
00:44:57.600 --> 00:45:02.600
So, I will again go back
and read your comments.
00:45:03.020 --> 00:45:05.420
Just when I have a circuit
diagram in front of me
00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:06.890
would probably be helpful but...
00:45:06.890 --> 00:45:08.801
I will provide you with...
00:45:08.801 --> 00:45:12.897
I'm planning to do
some sort of visual again,
00:45:12.897 --> 00:45:16.630
to be able to help with the
understanding of this concept.
00:45:16.630 --> 00:45:17.800
A visual would be helpful.
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:18.923
Thank you again, sir.
00:45:19.950 --> 00:45:22.210
Board Member Armstrong.
00:45:22.210 --> 00:45:24.620
Yeah, Thanks Chair Edwards.
00:45:24.620 --> 00:45:27.196
I'll keep my comments a lot less than
00:45:27.196 --> 00:45:31.970
board members on Mader's,
but with the caveat that,
00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:34.380
my passion has no...
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:38.707
No last in old matters on the board,
00:45:40.160 --> 00:45:42.040
I'd like to echo what everybody said,
00:45:42.040 --> 00:45:42.890
I'd like to thank
00:45:45.870 --> 00:45:48.540
Chairman Edwards and vice Chairman, Tom,
00:45:48.540 --> 00:45:52.220
for all their support
and Jamie and Katherine
00:45:52.220 --> 00:45:55.250
because without them, it
would have been difficult to...
00:45:55.250 --> 00:45:59.191
To stay on track, so, thank you for...
00:45:59.191 --> 00:46:03.177
I think board member
or dimension are also
00:46:03.177 --> 00:46:07.510
providing us (static
audio) myself anyway,
00:46:07.510 --> 00:46:08.373
to stay on track.
00:46:09.230 --> 00:46:11.180
A lot of things going on this, on here.
00:46:12.030 --> 00:46:15.380
So, you know, it's
been said multiple times,
00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:18.730
but for the last six months
we've and many of us
00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:23.160
in January 20th for the first
time we met each other before.
00:46:23.160 --> 00:46:24.640
So, I think it's quite...
00:46:26.270 --> 00:46:28.660
I think the work that was put into this
00:46:28.660 --> 00:46:33.150
was well thought out achievable and...
00:46:34.620 --> 00:46:38.180
It's the proactive versus the
reactive with the 2020 stuff.
00:46:38.180 --> 00:46:41.340
So, I view this as a
00:46:42.690 --> 00:46:44.920
document that we, you know, we...
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.420
Every year we can improve on
00:46:46.420 --> 00:46:48.447
and get better with the ultimate goal of
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.840
reducing the risk wildfire
and safety for the communities
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.853
and hip operation at Harvard.
00:46:58.350 --> 00:47:00.670
Again, I think I can't really
say much more than whatever
00:47:00.670 --> 00:47:02.250
everybody's already had about me,
00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:07.110
but I'm looking forward to getting...
00:47:07.110 --> 00:47:08.710
Getting on the phone work and...
00:47:10.404 --> 00:47:11.833
And I'm done thanks.
00:47:13.700 --> 00:47:15.123
Thank you, Board
Member Armstrong.
00:47:15.123 --> 00:47:18.450
I concur with you obviously, as well.
00:47:18.450 --> 00:47:21.183
Let's see, Board Member Block.
00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:24.373
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
00:47:24.373 --> 00:47:26.220
Just doing a sound check.
00:47:26.220 --> 00:47:27.340
Can you hear me?
00:47:27.340 --> 00:47:28.530
Great.
00:47:28.530 --> 00:47:29.630
Okay, so,
00:47:29.630 --> 00:47:33.980
my comments, have to
be because of the themes
00:47:33.980 --> 00:47:36.223
of collaboration and transparency.
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.850
At first, I wanna echo what
my fellow board members
00:47:40.850 --> 00:47:43.770
and say that, I'm
really proud of our work
00:47:43.770 --> 00:47:46.370
and how we've been able to
blend our expertise together,
00:47:46.370 --> 00:47:48.880
and these recommendations.
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.163
To also echo what others have said,
00:47:53.210 --> 00:47:55.802
we've get the gun, and we're just...
00:47:55.802 --> 00:47:57.460
We just began in January,
00:47:57.460 --> 00:47:59.667
so, there's a lot we have
learned from each other.
00:47:59.667 --> 00:48:01.250
And for me,
00:48:01.250 --> 00:48:03.010
most of what I've learned
is that, there's a lot more
00:48:03.010 --> 00:48:05.040
I need to learn from my
fellow board members.
00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:07.973
So, I'm looking forward to deeper dive
00:48:07.973 --> 00:48:10.483
into the rest of the
year and in the future.
00:48:12.190 --> 00:48:13.530
I appreciate the tremendous work
00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:15.313
at the Wildfire Safety Division.
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.850
I feel like the board
and then edit division
00:48:18.850 --> 00:48:20.040
have common points of view.
00:48:20.040 --> 00:48:22.147
We're leveraging each
other's points of view.
00:48:22.147 --> 00:48:25.810
Our work make California
a sustainable place.
00:48:25.810 --> 00:48:26.643
And,
00:48:28.750 --> 00:48:31.200
the safety of California
should not be dependent
00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:34.480
on private proprietary data or models.
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:36.880
I believe that these models
need to be vetted and shared,
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.580
so, that you can learn from each other.
00:48:39.580 --> 00:48:44.300
Similarly, as the safety
division has pointed out
00:48:44.300 --> 00:48:46.363
in their strategy, data is an asset.
00:48:47.210 --> 00:48:48.350
I completely agree.
00:48:48.350 --> 00:48:51.460
I even would call it the foundation
00:48:51.460 --> 00:48:52.803
for all of our decisions.
00:48:54.120 --> 00:48:55.423
In our recommendations,
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.050
we defined the Wildfire Safety Division,
00:48:59.050 --> 00:49:01.710
vision for a taxonomy and data schema,
00:49:01.710 --> 00:49:03.690
it wasn't sure because of the formatting
00:49:03.690 --> 00:49:05.167
and screen recording data.
00:49:05.167 --> 00:49:08.220
And it will allow for
decision making in a rational
00:49:08.220 --> 00:49:09.483
and data driven way.
00:49:10.780 --> 00:49:14.310
I think that establishing
working groups for inclusion
00:49:14.310 --> 00:49:17.220
of building these standards is critical.
00:49:17.220 --> 00:49:19.680
I'm really excited about
building data standards
00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:21.745
for wildfire utilities,
00:49:21.745 --> 00:49:23.880
and it'll be a really wonderful example,
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:25.123
for the world to follow.
00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:29.670
In many ways, emerging
technology will help us make
00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:31.943
significant strides
and wildfire mitigation.
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.100
And I believe these new methods
00:49:35.100 --> 00:49:36.460
must stay in the public run
00:49:36.460 --> 00:49:37.960
because there's a
lot to learn from them.
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.950
And, the only way that they can
grow and become more refined
00:49:40.950 --> 00:49:43.520
for the purpose of
utility wildfire safety,
00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:45.350
is to share and learn from them,
00:49:45.350 --> 00:49:47.773
so, that we can grow that technology.
00:49:49.210 --> 00:49:51.810
It is clear that
interdisciplinary approaches
00:49:51.810 --> 00:49:53.673
are necessary for sustainability.
00:49:54.540 --> 00:49:56.653
So, for scientific transparency,
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.490
not only should the
scientific work be sided,
00:50:00.490 --> 00:50:03.050
but I think there are
opportunities also,
00:50:03.050 --> 00:50:06.990
lyrical working groups for
elements of scientific research
00:50:06.990 --> 00:50:10.470
that have not yet been
integral to wildfire territory,
00:50:10.470 --> 00:50:13.290
utility management.
00:50:13.290 --> 00:50:16.680
To open up that science
and have discussion
00:50:16.680 --> 00:50:21.020
to that it's not just on
the utility shoulder to learn
00:50:21.020 --> 00:50:22.713
what is necessary in terms of time
00:50:22.713 --> 00:50:24.860
that can inspire ecological process.
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:32.440
I also would like to use this
platform to make the call for
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.810
making scientific fire science processes
00:50:35.810 --> 00:50:38.120
more as parents there.
00:50:38.120 --> 00:50:40.730
Well, I'm really looking
forward to what the strategy
00:50:40.730 --> 00:50:43.610
has to offer, and of
the division strategy
00:50:43.610 --> 00:50:48.610
on the data interfaces and
products of data visualization
00:50:49.010 --> 00:50:52.080
that will help us
understand our environment
00:50:52.080 --> 00:50:53.970
in the State of California.
00:50:53.970 --> 00:50:57.520
If decided or process as
it isn't easily understood,
00:50:57.520 --> 00:50:59.040
then we can't make it actionable.
00:50:59.040 --> 00:51:00.930
And I think there are ways that we can
00:51:00.930 --> 00:51:04.570
start to really reduce
barriers of that conversation.
00:51:04.570 --> 00:51:07.000
As we streamline the
data, the visualization,
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.450
the scientific understanding.
00:51:10.120 --> 00:51:13.300
I'd like to profusely
thank Katherine's docket
00:51:13.300 --> 00:51:18.173
and Ormond for being our
shining light through this process.
00:51:19.970 --> 00:51:22.800
And, I think that...
00:51:24.510 --> 00:51:26.967
I will leave it there, thank you.
00:51:29.580 --> 00:51:31.600
Thank you, Board Member Block.
00:51:31.600 --> 00:51:32.433
Yeah.
00:51:32.433 --> 00:51:36.100
I feel there's a bit of
the rights and privileges
00:51:36.100 --> 00:51:39.100
of the chair, I'm gonna
make a quick comment in that.
00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:43.260
I agree with you in terms of
the interdisciplinary approach
00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:45.550
and the transparency
of the data platforms.
00:51:45.550 --> 00:51:49.353
What I worry about
is the science difficult
00:51:50.990 --> 00:51:52.100
for people to agree on.
00:51:52.100 --> 00:51:56.640
I look right now, I
can't find a clear story
00:51:56.640 --> 00:51:59.120
regarding this pandemic really anywhere.
00:51:59.120 --> 00:52:01.110
So, that will be the yeoman's lift,
00:52:01.110 --> 00:52:02.950
and we're gonna have to
figure out our way through it.
00:52:02.950 --> 00:52:05.997
And thank you, for
letting me take this time.
00:52:07.020 --> 00:52:08.640
I'm really glad you
said that actually,
00:52:08.640 --> 00:52:10.030
and that come up in conversations
00:52:10.030 --> 00:52:12.330
I've had with the staff
and the board members.
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:14.820
There are conflicting points of view
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:16.670
about how certain things
should be managed.
00:52:16.670 --> 00:52:18.470
And I think in some cases,
00:52:18.470 --> 00:52:20.690
everyone's points of view are correct
00:52:20.690 --> 00:52:23.410
under certain environmental conditions.
00:52:23.410 --> 00:52:25.120
So, the more we get to under...
00:52:25.120 --> 00:52:27.590
We start streamlining this data process,
00:52:27.590 --> 00:52:29.220
each from the utilities.
00:52:29.220 --> 00:52:31.310
We'll start to discover also,
00:52:31.310 --> 00:52:36.160
where conditions require
particular types of management.
00:52:36.160 --> 00:52:39.440
So, I'm hoping that we can develop
00:52:40.430 --> 00:52:43.720
a forum for which those
conversations can occur,
00:52:43.720 --> 00:52:48.720
and, we can recognize the
diversity of correct answers
00:52:49.070 --> 00:52:50.420
in the State of California.
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:53.860
That's the next one
point, thank you very much.
00:52:55.069 --> 00:52:57.350
Board Member Syphard.
00:52:57.350 --> 00:52:58.963
Alright, Can you hear me?
00:53:00.168 --> 00:53:01.001
Yeah.
00:53:01.001 --> 00:53:02.520
Okay, great.
00:53:02.520 --> 00:53:04.340
Okay, well like everybody else,
00:53:04.340 --> 00:53:06.550
I would like to acknowledge
all the hard work
00:53:06.550 --> 00:53:10.440
of my fellow board members
and the incredible staff,
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.460
and a huge amount of work
over the last few months.
00:53:13.460 --> 00:53:16.600
I also want to reiterate
that we all recognize
00:53:16.600 --> 00:53:19.920
the enormous progress
utilities have faced, so far,
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.750
in their efforts to
mitigate wildfire risks.
00:53:22.750 --> 00:53:24.990
And that the main objective now,
00:53:24.990 --> 00:53:28.290
it's to run just change that
can promote the most efficient
00:53:28.290 --> 00:53:31.710
and effective means to
continue building a feature
00:53:31.710 --> 00:53:34.620
that has dramatically
reduced ignition and potential
00:53:34.620 --> 00:53:37.410
for catastrophic wildfire.
00:53:37.410 --> 00:53:40.450
So, not only is providing
safe and reliable energy
00:53:40.450 --> 00:53:44.880
to the people of California, a
massive and complex endeavor,
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.150
but wildfire will need your English
00:53:46.150 --> 00:53:48.130
to be also highly complicated
00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:50.600
with many scientific uncertainties.
00:53:50.600 --> 00:53:53.280
So, again, it's from the
scientific perspective
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:56.500
and background that I've
contributed my recommendations
00:53:56.500 --> 00:53:58.180
in this report.
00:53:58.180 --> 00:53:59.700
And, what I'd like to do now,
00:53:59.700 --> 00:54:01.330
is just share a couple of my thoughts
00:54:01.330 --> 00:54:04.712
on three of the recommendations
that I contributed to,
00:54:04.712 --> 00:54:07.393
and that are most closely
aligned with my expertise.
00:54:08.230 --> 00:54:11.003
So, the first one of these
is the recommendation
00:54:11.003 --> 00:54:14.460
to improve the process
of risk assessment,
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:18.550
particularly via improvements
in the mapping process.
00:54:18.550 --> 00:54:21.830
And what I'd like to
emphasize here, is that maps
00:54:21.830 --> 00:54:24.490
are one of the most important
and fundamental components
00:54:24.490 --> 00:54:28.500
of the wildfire mitigation
process, because these determines
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:31.550
where the highest priority
areas are and hence,
00:54:31.550 --> 00:54:34.653
where most of the wildfire
mitigation efforts concept.
00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:37.603
And, in my own research,
00:54:38.810 --> 00:54:42.300
one of the things I've
consistently found that,
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:44.970
geographical footprint,
different components
00:54:46.070 --> 00:54:49.670
vary a lot depending on nuts.
00:54:49.670 --> 00:54:52.512
So, for example, those geographic areas
00:54:52.512 --> 00:54:56.390
that tend to have the
highest probability of ignition
00:54:56.390 --> 00:54:58.690
are very different than
the geographical areas,
00:54:58.690 --> 00:55:01.920
where fires are most
likely to burn the most area.
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:03.490
And the reason for this is that,
00:55:03.490 --> 00:55:05.710
different processes have different human
00:55:05.710 --> 00:55:08.490
and ecological drivers that control,
00:55:08.490 --> 00:55:11.540
that diary is different
spatial in terms of scale.
00:55:11.540 --> 00:55:15.990
So, it's important to be mindful
of the type of map produced
00:55:15.990 --> 00:55:18.300
and that the input to the creek that map
00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:21.440
is appropriate for
the type of objective.
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.080
And of course, it's
appropriate to specific context,
00:55:25.080 --> 00:55:26.660
which is created.
00:55:26.660 --> 00:55:28.730
So, maps should be accurate.
00:55:28.730 --> 00:55:30.050
They should be precise,
00:55:30.050 --> 00:55:32.670
meaning they captured
the areas of highest priority,
00:55:32.670 --> 00:55:35.670
but exclude the areas of lowest priority
00:55:35.670 --> 00:55:37.860
and reflective of current conditions,
00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:42.160
such as substation
characteristics, climatological trends,
00:55:42.160 --> 00:55:45.460
the location of the assets
that are most aggressive.
00:55:45.460 --> 00:55:48.403
So, in terms of updating
the Fire-Threat Map,
00:55:49.290 --> 00:55:52.160
it's clear some processes
change across the landscape
00:55:52.160 --> 00:55:53.780
faster than others.
00:55:53.780 --> 00:55:56.820
And I appreciate that
it's very time consuming,
00:55:56.820 --> 00:55:59.070
to generate high quality maps.
00:55:59.070 --> 00:56:01.110
So, while we have recommended
00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:03.823
increasing the frequency of map updates,
00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:07.120
and in some cases you said annual,
00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:09.960
I think also, it's important
that it's not excessive
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:11.440
of what the appropriate.
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:14.510
So, the updates should be
enough to account for minutes,
00:56:14.510 --> 00:56:16.560
changes in the
landscape that could affect
00:56:16.560 --> 00:56:18.940
the way operations should be done.
00:56:18.940 --> 00:56:19.773
But for that...
00:56:19.773 --> 00:56:22.190
I also think maybe
about three to five years
00:56:22.190 --> 00:56:25.030
would be sufficient to
capture most of the different
00:56:25.030 --> 00:56:26.680
climate investigation properties,
00:56:29.090 --> 00:56:32.363
as well as, newly developed
tools and other assets at risk.
00:56:34.660 --> 00:56:38.060
Okay, my next set of recommendations
00:56:38.060 --> 00:56:40.560
that I contributed to surround
00:56:40.560 --> 00:56:42.970
a lot of what Jessica was talking about,
00:56:42.970 --> 00:56:45.470
involving additional
exclosure disclosure
00:56:45.470 --> 00:56:48.170
of analytical measure methods,
00:56:48.170 --> 00:56:51.770
fighting the scientific
literature and have independent
00:56:51.770 --> 00:56:55.680
scientific review of modeling
inputs and assumptions.
00:56:55.680 --> 00:56:58.480
And so, the main comment
I have about that today
00:56:58.480 --> 00:56:59.850
is just basically that,
00:56:59.850 --> 00:57:02.360
I understand I've spent my incurred...
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.770
My whole career having
to go through few reviews
00:57:04.770 --> 00:57:06.750
for just about everything I do.
00:57:06.750 --> 00:57:08.650
And just like every
other scientist out there,
00:57:08.650 --> 00:57:11.040
I've experienced my
own share of rejections.
00:57:11.040 --> 00:57:15.010
I've had many requests
for revision and submission.
00:57:15.010 --> 00:57:16.510
I have to fight the literature
00:57:16.510 --> 00:57:18.440
and disclose my methods in great detail
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:20.490
to ensure proper
review and transparency.
00:57:21.680 --> 00:57:24.330
And so, the reason I
recommend a similar process
00:57:24.330 --> 00:57:27.820
for the scientific component,
the wildfire mitigation plan,
00:57:27.820 --> 00:57:30.580
isn't because I want
you all to suffer with me,
00:57:30.580 --> 00:57:32.820
it's because I know, that even though,
00:57:32.820 --> 00:57:36.070
it could be a lot of extra
work and it's far from perfect
00:57:36.070 --> 00:57:37.920
to review is rewarding.
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.830
It strengthens the quality work,
00:57:40.830 --> 00:57:44.688
it provides trustworthy and
reliable information ended up,
00:57:44.688 --> 00:57:47.683
what allows scientific
information to progress.
00:57:48.580 --> 00:57:51.743
So, one of the recommendations
was to reduce the price,
00:57:51.743 --> 00:57:53.820
for the modeling approaches.
00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:56.570
And I know there's some
pushback against that.
00:57:56.570 --> 00:57:58.400
And so, what I'd like to say about that,
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:00.700
it's not an issue of privacy.
00:58:00.700 --> 00:58:03.570
It's that for proprietary nothing,
00:58:03.570 --> 00:58:08.570
the algorithms assumptions
data input are often a black box.
00:58:08.680 --> 00:58:11.850
So, it's impossible
to effectively evaluate
00:58:11.850 --> 00:58:13.630
their appropriateness
and their soundness
00:58:13.630 --> 00:58:15.650
for their application.
00:58:15.650 --> 00:58:17.230
We don't want to create a burden.
00:58:17.230 --> 00:58:19.370
We just want to ensure
that the model results
00:58:19.370 --> 00:58:21.680
don't produce erroneous information
00:58:21.680 --> 00:58:25.000
or guide mitigation measures
in ways that are inappropriate
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.290
or ineffective, or that even result
00:58:27.290 --> 00:58:28.900
in unintentional consequences
00:58:28.900 --> 00:58:30.650
that are worse than the status quo.
00:58:31.990 --> 00:58:35.130
Not only does this ensure
the safety of Americans,
00:58:35.130 --> 00:58:39.090
but having accurate and
validated appropriate models
00:58:39.090 --> 00:58:42.200
should also improve
risk spend efficiency,
00:58:42.200 --> 00:58:43.950
by getting it right the first time.
00:58:45.270 --> 00:58:48.680
So, proprietary models are
the only feasible alternative,
00:58:48.680 --> 00:58:52.480
we suggest then, if it's
close enough information
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.060
that it's still allowed a
rigorous independent
00:58:55.060 --> 00:58:56.713
and objective scientific review.
00:58:58.160 --> 00:59:00.832
Finally, the third
recommendation that I contributed,
00:59:00.832 --> 00:59:03.570
it has to do with vegetation management
00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:06.380
and the main thing I'd like
to stress about that one,
00:59:06.380 --> 00:59:09.140
is that, in terms of
vegetation management,
00:59:09.140 --> 00:59:11.860
there are inherent trade offs involved.
00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:13.900
Considerations include,
00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:16.713
labor, hiring qualified
arboriculturists.
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:20.940
There's potential for
unintentional impact,
00:59:20.940 --> 00:59:24.670
ecological systems and
services like biodiversity,
00:59:24.670 --> 00:59:26.633
carbon, erosion, geological,
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.590
and central for
unintentional consequences,
00:59:30.590 --> 00:59:32.530
like increasing flammability,
00:59:32.530 --> 00:59:35.410
wouldn't reduce the
fuel load by changing
00:59:35.410 --> 00:59:40.200
your moisture due to
characteristics of the vegetation.
00:59:40.200 --> 00:59:42.680
So, in other words, for fire to start,
00:59:42.680 --> 00:59:44.650
it's about accountability.
00:59:44.650 --> 00:59:47.330
It's about fire intensity
or ember production,
00:59:47.330 --> 00:59:49.700
that's more related to fuel load.
00:59:49.700 --> 00:59:51.580
So, do you have a need to trade off?
00:59:51.580 --> 00:59:53.810
It's important to have
the right information
00:59:53.810 --> 00:59:55.690
to take the right action.
00:59:55.690 --> 00:59:58.320
And there's a lot we don't
know on an empirical basis
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.400
about how to case manage.
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.320
Questions remain like, these
certain actions affected me
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:05.600
but it reduced cost or
did they actually worsen
01:00:05.600 --> 01:00:07.320
the channel of these part?
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.650
And in what context did this happened?
01:00:09.650 --> 01:00:12.060
Are the costs for us, the benefits?
01:00:12.060 --> 01:00:15.120
And so, this lives
behind our recommending
01:00:15.120 --> 01:00:17.140
formal research study.
01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:19.110
And again, in terms of that,
01:00:19.110 --> 01:00:22.130
I think that the design and
approach would be negotiable.
01:00:22.130 --> 01:00:24.433
I think it should be done cooperatively,
01:00:24.433 --> 01:00:26.550
so, it's fair.
01:00:26.550 --> 01:00:28.420
And it targets the
appropriate questions,
01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:31.600
using appropriate methods
with the minimal amount
01:00:31.600 --> 01:00:34.370
of support the person was worth.
01:00:34.370 --> 01:00:37.600
And I also think it should be
an ongoing process because,
01:00:37.600 --> 01:00:41.280
determining effectiveness
is refined to certain fire.
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.000
It suddenly as large datasets
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.070
collected over long time periods,
01:00:45.070 --> 01:00:46.160
because that's the only way
01:00:46.160 --> 01:00:49.670
that rigorous statistical
analysis can be done.
01:00:49.670 --> 01:00:53.470
And my final last small comment
has to do with our requests
01:00:53.470 --> 01:00:56.593
to identify species rather than general.
01:00:58.090 --> 01:00:59.630
It's not that we're saying,
01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:02.890
somebody needs to identify
all the species in the state.
01:01:02.890 --> 01:01:05.550
It just means being more specific about
01:01:05.550 --> 01:01:09.780
which dominant traits
species are identified as at risk.
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:12.320
Because as it is now, if
they're gonna say that,
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.350
oak species and pine
species are at risk,
01:01:15.350 --> 01:01:17.070
that means you already have trees
01:01:17.070 --> 01:01:18.673
in the entire state forever.
01:01:19.550 --> 01:01:21.880
And so, you know, further study,
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.603
they did help to determine
that it isn't species
01:01:24.603 --> 01:01:25.710
that are so important,
01:01:25.710 --> 01:01:27.930
but maybe it's just
general characteristics
01:01:27.930 --> 01:01:29.900
at certain trees or certain species
01:01:31.310 --> 01:01:33.843
and drought and environmental context.
01:01:34.700 --> 01:01:38.723
So, that summarizes my recommendation.
01:01:41.900 --> 01:01:42.733
Wow.
01:01:44.270 --> 01:01:46.880
I am not going to retread the ground,
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:50.340
as many of you have
fraud with my appreciation.
01:01:50.340 --> 01:01:51.290
Though I will tell,
01:01:53.930 --> 01:01:55.700
you know, at the end of the day,
01:01:55.700 --> 01:01:58.470
I am a slightly older system operator.
01:01:58.470 --> 01:02:00.180
All of you have
01:02:00.180 --> 01:02:04.240
incredible backgrounds and abilities,
01:02:04.240 --> 01:02:06.770
and I have been awestruck
by some of these information
01:02:06.770 --> 01:02:08.560
you've come up with.
01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:09.620
Some of the challenges
01:02:09.620 --> 01:02:13.160
is we have to get from A to B to C to D,
01:02:13.160 --> 01:02:15.963
we can talk about the
advantages of D all day long.
01:02:17.470 --> 01:02:21.100
Your comments, Board
Member Syphard are fabulous.
01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:22.160
This is on aggregate,
01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:24.710
and I'm kind of starting the discussion
01:02:24.710 --> 01:02:26.780
back and forth between all of it.
01:02:26.780 --> 01:02:30.600
There's a firearm that
took nine years to agree on
01:02:30.600 --> 01:02:33.420
because of a lot of
dynamics that were in play,
01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:37.400
and we got to find
the way to cut through
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:41.020
some of that and reach
agreement, because it's a push pull.
01:02:41.020 --> 01:02:42.870
You know, who's gonna be held to blame?
01:02:42.870 --> 01:02:45.060
Who's going to have to fund?
01:02:45.060 --> 01:02:46.930
Completely irrespective of the science
01:02:46.930 --> 01:02:48.333
there's gonna have to be.
01:02:49.220 --> 01:02:52.490
We have to address those other dynamics
01:02:52.490 --> 01:02:57.393
that slow down or stop
some of these processes.
01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:01.330
But I completely agree with
your remarks and with that,
01:03:01.330 --> 01:03:04.300
ladies and gentlemen, again,
I'm not gonna be labor mine.
01:03:04.300 --> 01:03:06.360
I want to have a discussion,
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:09.340
if those of you who had made notations
01:03:09.340 --> 01:03:11.590
about things you wanted to underscore
01:03:11.590 --> 01:03:14.270
or offer a different point of view,
01:03:14.270 --> 01:03:19.030
I will, Mr.Mader tell you
we're going to adjourn by 4.
01:03:19.030 --> 01:03:23.300
So, I have to have to keep
those comments under songs, rap,
01:03:24.402 --> 01:03:29.340
but do any of you have
comments you wanna make?
01:03:29.340 --> 01:03:31.490
Or just raise your
hand and we'll go there.
01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:36.580
It will surprise me if you don't,
01:03:36.580 --> 01:03:39.240
because I believe most of
you have gotten out your point
01:03:39.240 --> 01:03:41.390
in your presentation,
01:03:41.390 --> 01:03:43.720
but, Oh my God, it was so impressive.
01:03:43.720 --> 01:03:44.650
It's so impressive.
01:03:44.650 --> 01:03:46.560
You wouldn't think at my age I would
01:03:46.560 --> 01:03:47.960
have this great opportunity.
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:49.712
I know John I'll be right there.
01:03:49.712 --> 01:03:50.706
(John laughs)
01:03:50.706 --> 01:03:54.940
I wouldn't think I would have
such an opportunity to learn
01:03:55.990 --> 01:04:00.990
from people, but it has been
an amazing exercise for me.
01:04:01.100 --> 01:04:03.850
And it has taken me places that...
01:04:03.850 --> 01:04:06.050
That my normal mindset
might not have gone.
01:04:06.050 --> 01:04:09.643
And with that, I would like to
recognize Board Member Mader.
01:04:11.810 --> 01:04:12.979
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
01:04:12.979 --> 01:04:13.953
And I...
01:04:13.953 --> 01:04:18.640
I just wanted to echo the
concept of interrelated expertise,
01:04:18.640 --> 01:04:20.490
the names to help us do a better job.
01:04:21.350 --> 01:04:24.350
When I started to work on this
01:04:24.350 --> 01:04:26.370
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board,
01:04:26.370 --> 01:04:29.320
and I knew my fellow
board members, you know,
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.810
I was able to use my mind
to say, you know what?
01:04:32.810 --> 01:04:35.600
I can go ahead and
concentrate in the areas
01:04:35.600 --> 01:04:40.600
that my expertise can help the
wildfire, the recommendation,
01:04:40.750 --> 01:04:45.020
because for example,
Alexandra and Jessica's words.
01:04:45.020 --> 01:04:47.310
The kind of information
that as an engineer,
01:04:47.310 --> 01:04:50.257
in order to implement my recommendation,
01:04:50.257 --> 01:04:52.550
that's the kind of information
01:04:52.550 --> 01:04:54.872
that engineer is going to need.
01:04:54.872 --> 01:04:57.377
Because you're going to
need the adequate mapping
01:04:57.377 --> 01:05:01.260
and they're gonna need a
probability wildfire emissions
01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:04.770
based from the different
types of topography
01:05:04.770 --> 01:05:07.853
with wind speed
without weather patterns.
01:05:09.260 --> 01:05:13.110
So, those are the schools
that we need to have
01:05:13.110 --> 01:05:16.970
that are taught the engineers,
specific areas of expertise.
01:05:16.970 --> 01:05:21.603
I tried to echo that interrelated work,
01:05:21.603 --> 01:05:23.990
bacause it makes for a better wildfire
01:05:25.420 --> 01:05:28.810
advisory board
recommendations for the 2021,
01:05:28.810 --> 01:05:30.683
wildfire mitigation plan guidelines.
01:05:34.650 --> 01:05:35.483
Nope, I am.
01:05:35.483 --> 01:05:36.880
I completely agree...
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.540
I completely agree it is
sometimes a little bit more
01:05:39.540 --> 01:05:41.640
to take advice from
somebody who's 30 years
01:05:41.640 --> 01:05:43.960
younger than you, but would it...
01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:47.680
When it's valid advice,
when it's intelligent,
01:05:47.680 --> 01:05:51.420
when it's rational,
then that's what we do.
01:05:51.420 --> 01:05:53.540
So, are there are any other hands?
01:05:53.540 --> 01:05:55.940
Anyone wants to make
sure they get in order?
01:05:55.940 --> 01:05:59.223
Yes, Vice Chair Fellman
and then Board Member Block.
01:06:01.720 --> 01:06:02.940
Thank you.
01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:07.430
I also want to underscore
the evolutionary nature
01:06:07.430 --> 01:06:12.430
of our work that, you know, we're old.
01:06:14.810 --> 01:06:18.593
Certainly we have as well,
01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:23.980
Wildfire Safety Division
has done was, you know,
01:06:23.980 --> 01:06:27.927
the literature is saying what
advanced engineering is doing.
01:06:27.927 --> 01:06:29.770
And as we go forward,
01:06:29.770 --> 01:06:33.110
we will mention at the end
what we're going to have,
01:06:33.110 --> 01:06:35.147
this kind of recommendation is to form
01:06:36.470 --> 01:06:40.517
of the next round for 2021.
01:06:40.517 --> 01:06:42.589
But that's not the end,
01:06:42.589 --> 01:06:44.633
but this is an ongoing process,
01:06:46.540 --> 01:06:49.680
Board Member Block comments
01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:53.673
we're going to reach out
different community members,
01:06:55.082 --> 01:06:55.915
to pass advice
01:07:00.730 --> 01:07:01.783
shortening about.
01:07:04.750 --> 01:07:09.750
So, I think what we've done
here is there and marked points
01:07:12.120 --> 01:07:14.946
forward to have Wildfire Advisory Board.
01:07:14.946 --> 01:07:17.677
Thank you.
01:07:19.790 --> 01:07:22.070
So, thank you Diane Fellman.
01:07:23.328 --> 01:07:25.820
You know, she's the
one that has your in water.
01:07:25.820 --> 01:07:28.840
She's the one that sometimes brokers
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.810
some of the critical
compromises that are necessary
01:07:31.810 --> 01:07:33.095
to move things forward
01:07:33.095 --> 01:07:36.760
and she has been the
mainstay throughout this.
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:37.593
So,
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:39.750
Board Member Block.
01:07:42.730 --> 01:07:43.563
Okay, thank you.
01:07:43.563 --> 01:07:44.970
And thanks Chair...
01:07:46.140 --> 01:07:47.983
Co-chair Fellman for finding out
01:07:47.983 --> 01:07:50.080
that diversity outreach rotate.
01:07:50.080 --> 01:07:54.380
I ended to mention
in my statement also,
01:07:54.380 --> 01:07:55.350
and I think
01:07:57.786 --> 01:08:00.190
in light of the interest
01:08:00.190 --> 01:08:01.950
in the interdisciplinary work,
01:08:01.950 --> 01:08:06.110
that also has to do with
including as diverse a conversation
01:08:06.110 --> 01:08:08.983
as possible throughout our process.
01:08:10.612 --> 01:08:13.410
And so, I'm really looking
forward to being more directly
01:08:13.410 --> 01:08:16.280
engaged with this community
that hasn't yet been engaged
01:08:16.280 --> 01:08:19.960
in this conversation, but
just want to echo that again.
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.010
And for anybody listening
in, who's interested,
01:08:22.010 --> 01:08:24.223
please reach out to me on my website.
01:08:25.140 --> 01:08:28.590
I've been doing some work in this area
01:08:28.590 --> 01:08:31.360
in other previous
projects in my day job.
01:08:31.360 --> 01:08:34.010
So, I'll be eager to get started.
01:08:34.010 --> 01:08:37.160
I also wanted to make a reference
01:08:37.160 --> 01:08:41.990
to one of our engagements
with onto my usability experts
01:08:41.990 --> 01:08:46.220
over in the board
about combining experts
01:08:46.220 --> 01:08:50.143
with the utility infrastructures needs.
01:08:51.108 --> 01:08:53.900
I'd really like to have more
conversations about that.
01:08:53.900 --> 01:08:55.010
For those of you who don't know,
01:08:55.010 --> 01:08:57.760
or maybe everybody here
does know that the seven of us
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.070
can't talk amongst ourselves
together and be up to date
01:09:01.070 --> 01:09:03.420
with what we're all
working on at the same time,
01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:07.143
'cause these public meetings
really discussed together.
01:09:09.591 --> 01:09:12.400
The combined goals that I have come out,
01:09:12.400 --> 01:09:14.850
thanks to our staff,
putting comments together.
01:09:14.850 --> 01:09:18.430
So, I'm really eager
to see how we can start
01:09:18.430 --> 01:09:23.050
talking about risk maps in
combination of the environment
01:09:23.050 --> 01:09:25.260
and the utility infrastructure together.
01:09:25.260 --> 01:09:27.760
I think that's a really
in depth conversation
01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:31.023
and maybe we should discuss
ways we can engage that,
01:09:31.930 --> 01:09:34.350
characterizing that and
how we move forward
01:09:34.350 --> 01:09:37.713
in that recommendation,
over the next six months.
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:42.553
Excellent.
01:09:43.670 --> 01:09:48.110
Alright, I do not see any
other hands raised request
01:09:48.110 --> 01:09:51.500
to speak on chat and so, I will see you,
01:09:51.500 --> 01:09:55.340
I'm gonna entertain a motion to approve
01:09:55.340 --> 01:09:57.513
the 2021 recommendation.
01:09:59.748 --> 01:10:04.748
We made the most prospective
2021 recommendations.
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.160
By Board Member
Armstrong, do I have a second?
01:10:08.260 --> 01:10:09.960
Board Member
Porter, second sir.
01:10:10.830 --> 01:10:11.680
Thank you, sir.
01:10:14.780 --> 01:10:15.613
Aye.
01:10:18.010 --> 01:10:20.793
Aye.
01:10:22.250 --> 01:10:25.647
Alright, I ain't (mumbles)
at that recommendation tap.
01:10:25.647 --> 01:10:28.340
And with that, I'm gonna
turn control the meeting
01:10:28.340 --> 01:10:31.020
over to Jamie to talk about...
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.740
Before that occurs, this is...
01:10:35.740 --> 01:10:39.760
Chair Edwards I'd like
to reserve the right to file
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:44.760
concurrence on our approved
guidelines recommendations.
01:10:46.023 --> 01:10:47.695
Well, I completely
agree with this.
01:10:47.695 --> 01:10:49.380
Let's get started, I had
already had already given out
01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:51.920
the name of the board member,
obviously to those potential.
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:53.620
And I think that's perfectly fine.
01:10:55.010 --> 01:10:55.906
Thank you, sir.
01:10:55.906 --> 01:10:56.739
Board Member Mader.
01:10:56.739 --> 01:10:59.873
I'd also like to reserve the
right to file a concurrence.
01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:02.230
Correct.
01:11:02.230 --> 01:11:04.480
Correct, all the board
members have that ability
01:11:04.480 --> 01:11:07.210
and in particular, John,
I'm gonna need a picture.
01:11:07.210 --> 01:11:11.253
So, we're gonna need
to have a little something.
01:11:12.530 --> 01:11:15.163
Alright, seeing no one
else who needs to speak,
01:11:16.056 --> 01:11:16.889
back to Jamie.
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.470
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
01:11:20.470 --> 01:11:23.520
We have reached the stretch break.
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:27.540
We are at 2:12, we are right on time,
01:11:27.540 --> 01:11:29.320
so, I would like to welcome everybody
01:11:29.320 --> 01:11:31.320
to your 10 minute stretch break.
01:11:31.320 --> 01:11:33.570
If you would please,
just turn off your cameras,
01:11:33.570 --> 01:11:37.600
get up, jump around, get the
blood flowing into your head.
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.830
I encourage everyone to shake it up.
01:11:39.830 --> 01:11:43.023
Turn off your video, move
around, get some water,
01:11:44.620 --> 01:11:46.260
doing what you need to do.
01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:48.870
We will be back in 10 minutes,
01:11:48.870 --> 01:11:52.977
at the end of our stretch break,
please be prepared by 2:22
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:58.180
to come back, and turn
your cameras back on,
01:11:58.180 --> 01:12:00.870
we will get the show back on the road.
01:12:00.870 --> 01:12:02.830
Thank you, for this.
01:12:02.830 --> 01:12:04.080
Enjoy your stretch break.
01:12:12.550 --> 01:12:16.647
And then, Chair Edwards
wait 30 seconds and then hit.
01:12:45.460 --> 01:12:47.640
Alright, thank you very much.
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.930
Welcome back to the Wildfire
Advisory Board meeting,
01:12:50.930 --> 01:12:53.580
and we're gonna move
our session to discussing
01:12:53.580 --> 01:12:57.063
publicly owned utilities,
wildfire mitigation plan.
01:12:57.941 --> 01:13:00.660
So, first, no meetings
would be complete,
01:13:00.660 --> 01:13:04.670
without another turn to hear
from the public, be patient,
01:13:04.670 --> 01:13:08.930
I could check at Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board email box,
01:13:08.930 --> 01:13:11.793
Katherine Stockton, do we
have any email communication?
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.970
So, we have one
that we received,
01:13:15.970 --> 01:13:19.760
but this is related item.
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:21.543
This is from Mr. Eric Ray.
01:13:22.647 --> 01:13:24.690
"As a former wild land firefighter
01:13:24.690 --> 01:13:27.290
and public information officer,
01:13:27.290 --> 01:13:29.480
I would like to see
concentrated spending
01:13:29.480 --> 01:13:32.860
and a higher priority to
removing non native species
01:13:32.860 --> 01:13:35.290
that are highly flammable contributors
01:13:35.290 --> 01:13:37.940
to wildfires throughout this.
01:13:37.940 --> 01:13:41.430
This should be an active
state program with any reliance
01:13:41.430 --> 01:13:43.920
on home or land owners.
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.800
Some of the highly
flammable non-natives include,
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:48.340
scotch broom, ripped broom
01:13:50.180 --> 01:13:53.440
and others bounds in this
2010 study of California,
01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:55.590
dangerous non native vegetation."
01:13:55.590 --> 01:13:59.020
And I can... I will
forward this to the board
01:13:59.020 --> 01:14:01.363
and I will post it on our website.
01:14:03.670 --> 01:14:04.538
Excellent.
01:14:04.538 --> 01:14:05.371
I didn't know.
Thank you very much.
01:14:05.371 --> 01:14:06.770
Now you know.
01:14:06.770 --> 01:14:09.560
I was watching Board
Member Block nod
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:12.120
in statically throughout that reading.
01:14:12.120 --> 01:14:16.010
So that to me, I quite
underscores that commentary.
01:14:16.010 --> 01:14:17.320
I could check with our phone operators.
01:14:17.320 --> 01:14:20.400
Do we have any public
comment on the phone line?
01:14:20.400 --> 01:14:22.730
We currently have
one going on the long
01:14:22.730 --> 01:14:24.030
for a question and answer.
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.020
Thank you very much.
01:14:26.020 --> 01:14:29.210
Alright, there's the
public comment period.
01:14:29.210 --> 01:14:32.850
We are happy to invite Barry Moline
01:14:32.850 --> 01:14:35.770
from the California
Municipal Utilities Association
01:14:35.770 --> 01:14:38.080
to present about the
01:14:38.080 --> 01:14:42.030
publicly owned utility wildfire
mitigation plans templates.
01:14:42.030 --> 01:14:45.690
I do wanna open with a
few introductory comments
01:14:45.690 --> 01:14:48.810
about unit utility, because it's always,
01:14:48.810 --> 01:14:51.584
there's a lack of, not a
lack of understanding,
01:14:51.584 --> 01:14:53.990
but I think there's
sometimes a lack of clarity.
01:14:53.990 --> 01:14:57.290
What is the municipality
versus an investor facility?
01:14:57.290 --> 01:15:00.780
Probably the biggest
municipalities do not have investors.
01:15:00.780 --> 01:15:03.620
Their investors are their customers.
01:15:03.620 --> 01:15:05.280
So, their focus is on rates.
01:15:05.280 --> 01:15:08.990
They're very customer centric
because their policy bodies
01:15:08.990 --> 01:15:12.730
typically sit across the
street or two miles away.
01:15:12.730 --> 01:15:15.640
They have tremendous impact on
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:18.240
what publicly owned utility do.
01:15:18.240 --> 01:15:21.060
Publicly owned utility
due to the kind of disparity
01:15:21.060 --> 01:15:25.730
or wide variation in size and
photography and geography.
01:15:25.730 --> 01:15:29.190
They still managed to
work very well, together.
01:15:29.190 --> 01:15:32.080
It keep a cost effective
approach as mentioned,
01:15:32.080 --> 01:15:34.340
and that's very important to their rate.
01:15:34.340 --> 01:15:37.770
And so, they had
developed eight templates
01:15:39.706 --> 01:15:41.380
from the wildfire safety activities.
01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:44.720
I do wanna underscore the
templates almost the point of
01:15:45.710 --> 01:15:47.270
where you deviate from.
01:15:47.270 --> 01:15:52.270
I mean, they all need to
be adjusted to meet both
01:15:52.530 --> 01:15:57.530
the geographic climb the
area region in California.
01:15:57.580 --> 01:15:59.630
But the minutes, I
think have demonstrated
01:15:59.630 --> 01:16:02.820
a real willingness to work together
01:16:02.820 --> 01:16:05.588
and to set the standard for that.
01:16:05.588 --> 01:16:06.421
And so,
01:16:08.245 --> 01:16:09.600
here's the Executive Director
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.990
of the California Municipal
Utilities Association,
01:16:12.990 --> 01:16:15.640
and I'd like to welcome
him to make his presentation.
01:16:17.470 --> 01:16:19.400
Thank you, Chair Edwards.
01:16:19.400 --> 01:16:22.210
It's a pleasure to be
here talking to the board.
01:16:22.210 --> 01:16:26.230
And, I suppose we
can go to the first slide
01:16:27.490 --> 01:16:31.280
we can get into the presentation
01:16:32.270 --> 01:16:33.103
and
01:16:42.830 --> 01:16:45.430
Well, maybe there's
a delay, but there's...
01:16:45.430 --> 01:16:46.383
This slide is up.
01:16:47.820 --> 01:16:51.060
I see the one that's entitled
publicly owned utilities,
01:16:51.060 --> 01:16:53.803
44 POU, that is what
I'm looking at, okay?
01:16:55.140 --> 01:16:55.973
Yeah.
01:16:57.130 --> 01:16:57.990
Good.
01:16:57.990 --> 01:17:01.750
Well then, that's the first one
that hasn't been mentioned.
01:17:01.750 --> 01:17:04.430
Great, so, there's...
01:17:04.430 --> 01:17:07.787
So, I work at the California
Municipal Utility Association
01:17:07.787 --> 01:17:09.960
and where the state association
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:14.680
that represents the publicly
owned utilities in the state,
01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:17.800
as well as, public water
agencies in the state
01:17:18.858 --> 01:17:20.380
and tend to...
01:17:21.590 --> 01:17:25.236
For water, we tend to
represent the larger agencies,
01:17:25.236 --> 01:17:30.236
our members serve about
70% of the water that's delivered
01:17:31.380 --> 01:17:32.213
in the state.
01:17:32.213 --> 01:17:36.250
For electricity, about
25% of the electricity
01:17:37.280 --> 01:17:39.650
is from a publicly owned utility.
01:17:39.650 --> 01:17:44.650
And there's 44 utilities,
42 of them have facilities
01:17:45.530 --> 01:17:48.830
that is generation
transmission distribution.
01:17:48.830 --> 01:17:51.400
And they're the ones that are submitting
01:17:51.400 --> 01:17:54.343
wildfire mitigation plans.
01:17:55.230 --> 01:18:00.320
Two public utilities are
wholesale only agencies
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:06.986
Southern California,
our authority and MSR,
01:18:06.986 --> 01:18:11.986
they buy and sell power
on behalf of a smaller utility.
01:18:13.370 --> 01:18:18.370
So, the POU has recalled
continued welfare management plans,
01:18:18.730 --> 01:18:23.220
according to strategy
on gender first,
01:18:23.220 --> 01:18:27.030
and those were approved by
their local governing boards.
01:18:27.030 --> 01:18:30.930
And, we are currently in
the process of submitting
01:18:30.930 --> 01:18:35.560
all those plans to
this board by July 1.
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:37.283
And, I checked this morning also,
01:18:38.230 --> 01:18:39.823
my report this morning,
01:18:40.992 --> 01:18:42.780
the...
01:18:42.780 --> 01:18:46.273
All reports, it looks like they're
gonna be submitted today,
01:18:47.150 --> 01:18:50.151
but obviously we have a few more days
01:18:50.151 --> 01:18:51.930
of returning them in a little early.
01:18:51.930 --> 01:18:54.980
So, hopefully everybody's in by the day.
01:18:54.980 --> 01:18:55.880
Next slide please.
01:18:57.890 --> 01:19:01.730
So, we've been involved
in this process of...
01:19:02.880 --> 01:19:07.880
Of identifying the High
Fire-Threat District for many years.
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:12.900
And, we're eager obviously
to continue to do that.
01:19:12.900 --> 01:19:17.419
We are actually
obligated along with the...
01:19:17.419 --> 01:19:18.252
The CPUC
01:19:19.147 --> 01:19:22.720
to engage and look at the maps
01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:27.110
as a grand real granular level
in each of our communities
01:19:27.110 --> 01:19:29.720
to get at the maps,
01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:32.780
the data sort of on a
block by block basis
01:19:32.780 --> 01:19:36.730
and determine if anything
has changed over time,
01:19:36.730 --> 01:19:38.240
if the map is accurate
01:19:39.150 --> 01:19:41.730
and then get that
information back to the CPUC.
01:19:41.730 --> 01:19:45.040
So, we've been very actively
engaged in this process,
01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:47.720
working with our local fire officials,
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:51.240
which are generally parts
of our local government.
01:19:51.240 --> 01:19:55.480
So, involved in the start and
we're eager to stay involved
01:19:55.480 --> 01:19:57.340
in that process, as the...
01:19:57.340 --> 01:20:00.800
As the High Fire-Threat District are...
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.860
Those maps are updated over time.
01:20:03.860 --> 01:20:05.070
Next slide, please.
01:20:08.240 --> 01:20:11.430
So, let's talk a bit
about the templates.
01:20:11.430 --> 01:20:15.790
First, we have a group
within our association
01:20:15.790 --> 01:20:17.520
called the wildfire working group,
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:19.910
and this is a group of
our members that meet
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:24.050
every 2 weeks via conference call.
01:20:24.050 --> 01:20:28.180
And, it's composed of that list of...
01:20:28.180 --> 01:20:29.170
Of the kinds of
01:20:30.630 --> 01:20:33.460
people and job responsibilities
01:20:33.460 --> 01:20:34.853
that you see there.
01:20:35.860 --> 01:20:37.783
It's a wide variety of people.
01:21:24.260 --> 01:21:25.400
Next slide, please.
01:21:28.087 --> 01:21:30.420
So, we...
01:22:19.510 --> 01:22:22.650
So, what are the good ideas,
you know, to be included
01:22:22.650 --> 01:22:26.173
based on all this information
that we put together?
01:22:43.230 --> 01:22:44.540
In plan,
01:22:44.540 --> 01:22:48.330
that should be because we
followed strategy very closely.
01:22:48.330 --> 01:22:49.610
And I wanna make sure that everything
01:22:49.610 --> 01:22:53.990
that I'm doing as a utility,
you know, is covered.
01:22:53.990 --> 01:22:54.823
So,
01:22:55.758 --> 01:22:59.670
there was a variety
of uses of the template,
01:22:59.670 --> 01:23:01.680
and you'll see that in the plans
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:04.020
that are submitted to the board.
01:23:04.020 --> 01:23:04.853
Next slide.
01:23:07.330 --> 01:23:11.160
So, in the conversation about
01:23:11.160 --> 01:23:15.703
developing a template or idea for,
01:23:18.705 --> 01:23:21.220
you know, one of the things that we see
01:23:21.220 --> 01:23:25.050
going forward is that we
would like to continue to
01:23:26.580 --> 01:23:31.477
share information, talk
about best practices,
01:23:32.380 --> 01:23:37.380
good practices,
practices differ by region.
01:23:37.530 --> 01:23:38.420
But nevertheless,
01:23:38.420 --> 01:23:41.170
when I share ideas about what works
01:23:41.170 --> 01:23:42.650
and also things that don't work,
01:23:42.650 --> 01:23:43.710
you know, we tried something
01:23:43.710 --> 01:23:46.580
and maybe it wasn't the
best way to move forward,
01:23:46.580 --> 01:23:49.033
we want to hear about
those things as well.
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:52.390
And we're eager to hear the boards
01:23:52.390 --> 01:23:56.390
and see the board's review
of our wildfire mitigation plan.
01:23:56.390 --> 01:23:59.957
So, we know that within probably a month
01:23:59.957 --> 01:24:02.900
as we move forward and
think about the possibility
01:24:02.900 --> 01:24:06.300
of developing a template, you know,
01:24:06.300 --> 01:24:08.763
thinking would it be a useful practice.
01:24:10.010 --> 01:24:11.423
The first question is,
01:24:12.310 --> 01:24:14.210
we have to define what a template is.
01:24:14.210 --> 01:24:16.640
Our template is a narrative.
01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:21.640
You can take that template
and put in a utility name,
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:24.000
make adjustments to what they're doing,
01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.180
but there's narrative in there.
01:24:26.180 --> 01:24:28.130
And, you know, we
have to ask the question,
01:24:28.130 --> 01:24:29.760
do we want something like that?
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.970
Or do we want something
that is closer to an outline
01:24:32.970 --> 01:24:34.943
of what the board would like to see?
01:24:36.440 --> 01:24:37.710
Maybe there's some other format.
01:24:37.710 --> 01:24:40.827
So, it will lead us to define
what we're looking for.
01:24:41.689 --> 01:24:42.850
Our second is,
01:24:42.850 --> 01:24:45.730
is the timing, you should
know how it fits into
01:24:45.730 --> 01:24:48.890
the board process plans
are going to be reviewed
01:24:48.890 --> 01:24:50.948
and updated annually, and of course,
01:24:50.948 --> 01:24:54.140
there's the conference
review every three years.
01:24:54.140 --> 01:24:57.520
It takes an agency about 6 to 9 months
01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:01.260
to complete a wildfire mitigation plan.
01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:03.310
So, as we...
01:25:03.310 --> 01:25:07.630
If we wanna consider developing
a template or an outline,
01:25:07.630 --> 01:25:10.930
a WMP that fits into the
process of incorporating
01:25:10.930 --> 01:25:13.420
the board's feedback, future plan.
01:25:13.420 --> 01:25:15.610
So, I think that's doable.
01:25:15.610 --> 01:25:18.513
You just wanna be
considerate of the timing.
01:25:19.970 --> 01:25:23.300
Next we'll look at budgeting concepts.
01:25:23.300 --> 01:25:26.290
And that is, Publicly
Owned Utility budget
01:25:27.160 --> 01:25:28.790
for the completion of plan.
01:25:28.790 --> 01:25:31.170
Some may do it completely internally,
01:25:31.170 --> 01:25:34.800
but a fair number of them
use outside consultants,
01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:38.070
as well as, hiring an evaluator.
01:25:38.070 --> 01:25:42.140
And, that is part of
the budgeting process
01:25:42.140 --> 01:25:44.993
that takes place in
municipal government,
01:25:45.850 --> 01:25:49.580
knowing 6 months to
a year in advance of...
01:25:49.580 --> 01:25:52.140
Of a regulatory requirement.
01:25:52.140 --> 01:25:54.610
So, we wanna make sure
that we have enough time
01:25:54.610 --> 01:25:58.933
to budget properly, so
that we can achieve a plan
01:25:58.933 --> 01:26:00.960
that might be reflective of...
01:26:03.245 --> 01:26:05.653
Of different outline of structure.
01:26:07.086 --> 01:26:08.023
And then finally,
01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:12.124
I just wanna put this on
the table and that is that,
01:26:12.124 --> 01:26:16.530
we would have the ability
in our association to create
01:26:16.530 --> 01:26:18.510
something that might look like a table.
01:26:18.510 --> 01:26:21.570
I have a graphic here of a table.
01:26:21.570 --> 01:26:23.210
It's not a particular table,
01:26:23.210 --> 01:26:26.230
it's just that I got it
off, you know, online.
01:26:26.230 --> 01:26:29.550
But the idea of creating a spreadsheet
01:26:29.550 --> 01:26:34.280
that allows a viewer to look
at the variety of elements,
01:26:34.280 --> 01:26:36.900
a little of our mitigation plan.
01:26:36.900 --> 01:26:40.570
So, across the board
is a variety of agencies
01:26:40.570 --> 01:26:42.540
all at once, in one table.
01:26:42.540 --> 01:26:44.070
And, you know, so we...
01:26:44.070 --> 01:26:46.680
That's a concept that
we're open to discussing
01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:49.350
preparing a summary table that looks at
01:26:49.350 --> 01:26:52.440
all of the public utilities plan.
01:26:52.440 --> 01:26:57.440
So, allows for easy view
or a view of the elements
01:26:57.489 --> 01:26:58.487
of the various plan.
01:26:58.487 --> 01:27:01.610
So, that concludes my presentation.
01:27:01.610 --> 01:27:04.160
And, I look forward to your
questions and comments.
01:27:06.180 --> 01:27:08.070
Yeah, well, I would like to do,
01:27:08.070 --> 01:27:10.470
and for those of you
who are not familiar,
01:27:10.470 --> 01:27:12.770
or perhaps you're
familiar with the Brown Act,
01:27:12.770 --> 01:27:15.360
which constraints for board members
01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:16.510
who can't talk to one another,
01:27:16.510 --> 01:27:20.187
but in the state level
they call it Berkeley Keen.
01:27:20.187 --> 01:27:24.503
And we ended up being
spilled into Berkeley Keen group.
01:27:24.503 --> 01:27:27.370
And my fellow members in that group
01:27:27.370 --> 01:27:30.790
are Vice Chair Diane Fellman
and Board Member Porter.
01:27:30.790 --> 01:27:33.920
So, I would like to
entertain any comments
01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:36.140
from the two of them,
and then I will open it up
01:27:36.140 --> 01:27:37.530
to the balance of the board members
01:27:37.530 --> 01:27:39.180
if they have questions for Barry.
01:27:44.630 --> 01:27:46.641
Well, Chair Edwards.
01:27:46.641 --> 01:27:50.390
Yeah, I would like to
thank the Executive Director
01:27:51.320 --> 01:27:53.840
Moline for the presentation.
01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:55.790
That will be extremely helpful.
01:27:55.790 --> 01:27:58.720
And, because we are
assuming in a budding up
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.960
against the deadline, which is July 1st,
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:04.653
which is next week, this Wednesday.
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:08.040
And of course,
01:28:08.040 --> 01:28:10.959
because of our particular
statutory obligation
01:28:10.959 --> 01:28:15.893
to issue and develop opinions
from these mitigation plans.
01:28:16.788 --> 01:28:20.490
I'd like to say that, we're
open to developing a process,
01:28:20.490 --> 01:28:24.920
possibly you utilizing
this template at some point
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:29.063
to finalize how we come
up with our opinions.
01:28:30.100 --> 01:28:34.053
And, I like to communicate
that, as we've said before,
01:28:35.080 --> 01:28:37.700
we don't believe that
it would be responsible
01:28:37.700 --> 01:28:41.430
if we didn't consider each clear units,
01:28:41.430 --> 01:28:45.900
unique characteristics,
their geographical location,
01:28:45.900 --> 01:28:49.433
where they sit and in
the High Fire Districts,
01:28:50.320 --> 01:28:55.320
understanding that smart and
LAPWP are not a banning in...
01:28:56.670 --> 01:28:57.503
In Anaheim.
01:28:58.660 --> 01:29:02.250
With that... Taking
that into consideration,
01:29:02.250 --> 01:29:08.430
we wanna have an open
invitation to specific or
01:29:08.430 --> 01:29:11.780
a group of POUs to talk to.
01:29:11.780 --> 01:29:13.950
So, that they can better clarify
01:29:13.950 --> 01:29:15.713
their unique characteristics,
01:29:16.770 --> 01:29:18.780
so, that we can better online them
01:29:18.780 --> 01:29:23.690
in the scale of how we can help them.
01:29:23.690 --> 01:29:26.660
Our goal is to find ways
to solve their problems,
01:29:26.660 --> 01:29:29.423
we understand that they
have budgetary constraints,
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:34.610
manpower issues, a
lot of different things,
01:29:34.610 --> 01:29:38.420
getting enough qualified
and trained individuals
01:29:38.420 --> 01:29:40.203
to fulfill those of WMP goals.
01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:46.613
So, we would like to put
out that invitation to them.
01:29:47.509 --> 01:29:49.883
We'd like to invite them to contact us.
01:29:51.660 --> 01:29:52.963
We are easy to find.
01:29:55.090 --> 01:29:58.840
We, also wanna continue
the dialogue with CMUA.
01:30:01.280 --> 01:30:04.040
Definitely, so, it's
been a very productive
01:30:04.040 --> 01:30:05.603
conversation so far.
01:30:07.010 --> 01:30:10.640
And, it gives you an idea
of basically the timeline
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:13.730
where I think that we
should be able to report out
01:30:13.730 --> 01:30:15.350
to the full board,
01:30:15.350 --> 01:30:17.993
the timeline take into
consideration the understanding that,
01:30:17.993 --> 01:30:22.840
it's about 6 to 9 months
to make any... Any
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:24.680
recommendations or opinion
01:30:26.330 --> 01:30:27.463
come to fruition.
01:30:28.340 --> 01:30:32.827
We're thinking about
beginning of all mid fall
01:30:33.670 --> 01:30:35.370
to report out.
01:30:35.370 --> 01:30:39.390
And, if that's too soon or too late,
01:30:39.390 --> 01:30:41.420
I open it up to any discussion that...
01:30:51.710 --> 01:30:55.370
Yeah, I do wanna make
sure that Vice Chair Fellman
01:30:55.370 --> 01:30:56.290
has an opportunity.
01:30:56.290 --> 01:30:58.340
Go ahead ma'am,
I'm sorry, that's on you.
01:30:59.599 --> 01:31:00.432
Okay.
01:31:01.310 --> 01:31:04.687
I enjoyed Board Member Porter's comments
01:31:04.687 --> 01:31:06.750
and I have nothing to add.
01:31:06.750 --> 01:31:09.540
I just look forward to working with this
01:31:10.770 --> 01:31:12.913
sector of the power and...
01:31:22.261 --> 01:31:24.000
So, we have our challenges before us,
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:27.540
but so far we've been really...
01:31:27.540 --> 01:31:30.080
I've been really pleased
and I was telling him,
01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:33.870
I hope the publicly on
utility is still the same.
01:31:33.870 --> 01:31:34.703
So, thank you.
01:31:40.120 --> 01:31:42.670
Alright, do we have
any additional comments
01:31:42.670 --> 01:31:46.130
or questions on the
part of board members?
01:31:49.030 --> 01:31:50.250
Alright, hearing none.
01:31:50.250 --> 01:31:52.220
They're reviewing, so
what I would suggest is
01:31:52.220 --> 01:31:54.463
one of the points,
again, this isn't for me,
01:31:54.463 --> 01:32:00.160
it's to ensure greater
IOULU transparency,
01:32:00.160 --> 01:32:01.590
kind of early in the day.
01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:06.130
I understand they are
competitively based organizations.
01:32:06.130 --> 01:32:11.050
And of course, it's more
challenging for them to share data,
01:32:12.060 --> 01:32:14.680
but I think the development
of your templates,
01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:19.000
some of the, you know,
the cooperative attitude
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:22.130
across the days, I think we
could probably accomplish that.
01:32:22.130 --> 01:32:26.100
So, I wanna thank you
very much for attending today
01:32:26.100 --> 01:32:28.320
and for making your presentation.
01:32:28.320 --> 01:32:29.360
Thank you again.
01:32:29.360 --> 01:32:30.270
Oh, hang on.
01:32:30.270 --> 01:32:31.103
Thank you.
01:32:32.353 --> 01:32:35.753
I just wanted to confirm
that we've received the 42
01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:39.640
wildfire mitigation plans, and
we're gonna expect nine more.
01:32:41.010 --> 01:32:45.170
Very nice afternoon's
reading, thank you very much.
01:32:45.170 --> 01:32:46.003
Cheers.
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:48.910
Alright.
01:32:48.910 --> 01:32:50.110
Now, of course my notes there,
01:32:50.110 --> 01:32:53.823
I wait 30 seconds for
slide 22 to show up.
01:32:55.700 --> 01:32:57.103
Is it gonna be 30 seconds?
01:32:59.340 --> 01:33:01.190
We're gonna discuss this at no point.
01:33:04.160 --> 01:33:05.690
Alright.
01:33:05.690 --> 01:33:09.350
The CMUA's Mission and Vision that now,
01:33:09.350 --> 01:33:11.373
we're moving into the next agenda item.
01:33:14.360 --> 01:33:15.760
I feel like a standup comedian.
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:19.220
I feel that still there's time
with something entertaining
01:33:19.220 --> 01:33:21.713
while we wait for
technology to catch up.
01:33:24.270 --> 01:33:25.103
Alright.
01:33:25.103 --> 01:33:26.950
Well, I'm gonna forecast
what we're gonna talk about
01:33:26.950 --> 01:33:28.523
while technology catches up.
01:33:29.370 --> 01:33:31.590
Our next agenda item,
01:33:31.590 --> 01:33:35.230
Wildfire Safety Advisory
Board would like to invite
01:33:35.230 --> 01:33:39.060
the Wildfire Safety Division,
Director Thomas Jacob,
01:33:39.060 --> 01:33:43.260
who has by the way, done a yeoman's job
01:33:43.260 --> 01:33:45.850
in an incredibly short period of time.
01:33:45.850 --> 01:33:48.450
And, I want people
to be aware, you know,
01:33:48.450 --> 01:33:50.580
we had to coordinate our expertise,
01:33:50.580 --> 01:33:52.730
we had to dovetail her recommendation.
01:33:52.730 --> 01:33:54.350
She had to create a division
01:33:55.210 --> 01:33:59.700
in let's just say a really
bureaucratic environment
01:33:59.700 --> 01:34:03.550
and she's done an incredible job.
01:34:03.550 --> 01:34:05.900
So, we were asked,
01:34:05.900 --> 01:34:09.770
that Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board provided input
01:34:09.770 --> 01:34:13.343
on the draft Wildfire Safety
Division strategic plan.
01:34:14.580 --> 01:34:17.970
Thank you, first of all for asking that.
01:34:17.970 --> 01:34:19.550
And, Oh my God, Caroline,
01:34:19.550 --> 01:34:22.650
I have to do public
comment one more time.
01:34:22.650 --> 01:34:24.740
'Cause I haven't done it enough today.
01:34:24.740 --> 01:34:26.073
So, bear with me.
01:34:27.370 --> 01:34:28.203
Okay.
01:34:28.203 --> 01:34:30.990
The Wildfire Advisory Board email box,
01:34:30.990 --> 01:34:33.243
Catherine, do we have any email?
01:34:35.620 --> 01:34:37.400
No emails.
01:34:37.400 --> 01:34:39.210
Oh, thanks.
01:34:39.210 --> 01:34:41.500
Alright, let's check
with our phone operator,
01:34:41.500 --> 01:34:44.560
do we have any public
comment on the phone line?
01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:47.060
We do have one public comment.
01:34:47.060 --> 01:34:48.743
Kevin Collins, your line is open.
01:34:52.590 --> 01:34:53.980
Mr.Collins welcome.
01:34:55.166 --> 01:34:57.630
Thank you and we're
falling out of with each other
01:34:57.630 --> 01:34:59.140
and so, it's difficult to...
01:35:01.660 --> 01:35:02.900
Hello?
01:35:02.900 --> 01:35:04.060
We hear you.
01:35:04.060 --> 01:35:05.273
Okay, alright.
01:35:07.480 --> 01:35:09.440
I'll try to keep my comments brief,
01:35:09.440 --> 01:35:11.970
I realize I have 3 minutes at most.
01:35:11.970 --> 01:35:16.950
So, I submitted a safety
complaints to the Commission,
01:35:16.950 --> 01:35:19.510
the Public Utilities Commission 2018.
01:35:19.510 --> 01:35:20.670
And then that complaint
01:35:22.886 --> 01:35:26.830
I address the problem of
down to acting conductors.
01:35:26.830 --> 01:35:27.663
In other words,
01:35:29.060 --> 01:35:32.040
before energized wires
that are responsible
01:35:32.040 --> 01:35:34.110
for a lot of the wildfire ignitions.
01:35:34.110 --> 01:35:35.300
I looked into the
01:35:35.300 --> 01:35:37.700
international electrical
engineering market
01:35:37.700 --> 01:35:39.000
and found that there were,
01:35:40.460 --> 01:35:42.960
a number of solutions available from
01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:45.780
several international electrical
engineering companies.
01:35:45.780 --> 01:35:48.020
In other words, there is
equipment available today
01:35:48.020 --> 01:35:53.020
on the shelf for sale that
can detect a broken conductor
01:35:53.570 --> 01:35:57.080
and quickly, very rapidly
shut down the power
01:35:57.080 --> 01:35:58.113
to that circuit.
01:35:59.020 --> 01:36:01.743
The reason I'm bringing
this up is because,
01:36:03.120 --> 01:36:05.610
I anticipated that complaint
would be dismissed
01:36:05.610 --> 01:36:07.630
and it was under the pretense that
01:36:08.490 --> 01:36:11.450
the wildfire mitigation
plan proceeding would
01:36:12.320 --> 01:36:16.000
subsume my complaint and it
would be rendered irrelevant.
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:21.000
Now, the issue of technology
has never really arisen
01:36:21.232 --> 01:36:25.800
to being able (static distort
audio) really discussed
01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:30.610
by either the Commission or the IOUs,
01:36:30.610 --> 01:36:33.910
they dodge around about
what they referred to as
01:36:33.910 --> 01:36:36.920
emerging tech technology and so forth.
01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:41.920
But the extent to which
the general orders,
01:36:42.240 --> 01:36:45.890
these are the construction
standards for the utilities
01:36:45.890 --> 01:36:48.910
to build, say substations.
01:36:48.910 --> 01:36:51.770
So, there's a general
loader for overhead wiring.
01:36:51.770 --> 01:36:55.420
These general orders
are incredibly out of date,
01:36:55.420 --> 01:36:57.190
for instance, general loader 95,
01:36:57.190 --> 01:37:01.430
which are the construction
standard overhead wiring.
01:37:01.430 --> 01:37:04.500
It doesn't say a word about fuses.
01:37:04.500 --> 01:37:07.520
It says nothing about reclosers.
01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:09.560
It's silent on conductors.
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.730
It's legal to use 6 gauge
wire throughout California,
01:37:13.730 --> 01:37:16.290
including in tall forest,
01:37:16.290 --> 01:37:19.020
such as the one I lived, 6 gauge wire
01:37:19.020 --> 01:37:22.060
is roughly a 10th of
an inch in diameter.
01:37:22.060 --> 01:37:22.893
There's,
01:37:24.870 --> 01:37:27.970
roughly 2700 Circuit miles of this wire
01:37:27.970 --> 01:37:30.640
in the High Fire-Threat Districts of
01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:33.280
PGE service territory alone.
01:37:33.280 --> 01:37:37.200
So, it's one thing to jump ahead
01:37:37.200 --> 01:37:40.810
and have all these discussions
about our mitigation plans.
01:37:40.810 --> 01:37:43.440
But I'd like everybody to understand
01:37:43.440 --> 01:37:45.110
that the source of this problem
01:37:45.110 --> 01:37:48.530
lies with the construction
standards that are fundamental
01:37:48.530 --> 01:37:52.100
to the obligation of the
Public Utilities Commission.
01:37:52.100 --> 01:37:54.330
They write those
standards, theoretically,
01:37:54.330 --> 01:37:58.440
I mean, they're actually
by the IOUs, but the...
01:37:58.440 --> 01:38:00.203
The notion is that the
standards come from
01:38:00.203 --> 01:38:02.070
the Public Utilities Commission
01:38:02.070 --> 01:38:04.850
and this problem will never be resolved
01:38:04.850 --> 01:38:08.380
until the construction
standards for overhead circuits
01:38:08.380 --> 01:38:10.980
are updated to modern standards.
01:38:10.980 --> 01:38:13.620
And, there are really
isn't a whole lot more
01:38:13.620 --> 01:38:14.610
to say about this.
01:38:14.610 --> 01:38:18.370
It's one thing to set
PGE list to knock down
01:38:20.340 --> 01:38:23.430
a million, 250,000
trees under the pretense.
01:38:23.430 --> 01:38:26.600
That's somehow gonna
stop wildfire ignitions
01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:29.510
or to flatten Chaparral and rip it out
01:38:29.510 --> 01:38:31.460
and replace it with grass.
01:38:31.460 --> 01:38:35.080
This is not really a coherent
process in my opinion,
01:38:35.080 --> 01:38:36.630
I will continue following it
01:38:36.630 --> 01:38:39.470
because I would love to
spend so much of my time to it.
01:38:39.470 --> 01:38:43.130
But I hope that this advisory body,
01:38:43.130 --> 01:38:45.970
looks back at the construction standards
01:38:45.970 --> 01:38:47.930
for overhead surrogates that are
01:38:47.930 --> 01:38:49.970
controlled by the Public
Utilities Commission.
01:38:49.970 --> 01:38:51.180
'Cause that is a source.
01:38:51.180 --> 01:38:53.680
That's the underlying
origin of this problem.
01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:54.513
Thank you.
01:38:56.740 --> 01:38:57.880
Thank you, Mr.Collins.
01:38:57.880 --> 01:38:59.680
I would note,
01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:04.510
you have not only the entire
board for safety board reports,
01:39:04.510 --> 01:39:06.000
paying attention to your comments,
01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.530
we also have a board of
Wildfire Safety Division.
01:39:09.530 --> 01:39:11.920
So, we appreciate your feedback.
01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:15.170
Do we have anybody else on the phone?
01:39:15.170 --> 01:39:18.230
I have no additional
comments for this topic.
01:39:18.230 --> 01:39:20.410
Alright, I'll take all
of these feedback
01:39:20.410 --> 01:39:22.393
and these posted public comments.
01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:24.553
Okay.
01:39:24.553 --> 01:39:25.687
Now that we have...
01:39:27.420 --> 01:39:30.180
We will move to the
Wildfire Safety Division,
01:39:30.180 --> 01:39:32.800
Director Thomas Jacobs to share the...
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:36.210
Our safety division
strategic plan with us.
01:39:36.210 --> 01:39:38.910
Thank you, Caroline, for
making yourself available
01:39:38.910 --> 01:39:41.423
to participate with us
today, we appreciate it.
01:39:43.070 --> 01:39:45.170
Thank you, Chair
Edwards and good afternoon.
01:39:45.170 --> 01:39:46.810
I really appreciate the opportunity
01:39:46.810 --> 01:39:49.210
to speak with all of
these decks on our dock
01:39:49.210 --> 01:39:52.380
until the wildfire mitigation
strategy and roadmap.
01:39:52.380 --> 01:39:55.680
And just a compliment of the
public comments coming out,
01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:57.020
we just spoke, you know,
01:39:57.020 --> 01:39:59.210
definitely hear you
appreciate the comments
01:39:59.210 --> 01:40:03.500
and the comments you
texted, you mentioned,
01:40:03.500 --> 01:40:05.170
and we'll certainly look into that.
01:40:05.170 --> 01:40:07.830
So, I appreciate you taking
the time to be on today's call
01:40:07.830 --> 01:40:08.763
and speak up.
01:40:09.682 --> 01:40:13.414
So first, I wanted to thank
the board for the discussion
01:40:13.414 --> 01:40:17.000
earlier in the meeting on
the 2021 recommendations,
01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:19.080
I appreciated listening to the
discussion and the comments
01:40:19.080 --> 01:40:22.670
that the board members had
before the formal proceeding
01:40:22.670 --> 01:40:23.840
recommendations from the board,
01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:26.653
now that they appreciate all that.
01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:29.230
Back to the strategy,
01:40:29.230 --> 01:40:32.780
with a sighting of bill 1054 and law 11
01:40:32.780 --> 01:40:35.600
before the law division was established,
01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:38.260
we established ourselves
in January of this year.
01:40:38.260 --> 01:40:41.440
Those working on utility
wildfire safety recognized
01:40:41.440 --> 01:40:44.150
the need to better understand
the current landscape
01:40:44.150 --> 01:40:47.900
in California, as it really
seems to any related wildfires,
01:40:47.900 --> 01:40:51.440
and learn from the global
industry practices to inform
01:40:51.440 --> 01:40:53.430
development of possible approach,
01:40:53.430 --> 01:40:56.100
to how we mature
California is effort to reduce
01:40:56.100 --> 01:40:58.122
totally related water risk.
01:40:58.122 --> 01:41:00.800
To tackle this, the condition
engagement consultant
01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.120
to coordinate development
of vision strategy
01:41:03.120 --> 01:41:04.770
and implementation roadmap
01:41:04.770 --> 01:41:07.270
reducing utility related wildfire risk,
01:41:07.270 --> 01:41:08.690
ultimately guide the development
01:41:08.690 --> 01:41:10.393
of the Wildfire Safety Division.
01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.520
First of, you knew this
had to be developed
01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:16.330
in collaboration with
our strategy partners
01:41:16.330 --> 01:41:19.633
who also have a direct
role on firm mitigation effort.
01:41:21.070 --> 01:41:21.903
Steering committee
01:41:21.903 --> 01:41:24.360
to facilitate the
development of the strategies,
01:41:24.360 --> 01:41:26.960
the steering committee,
which is still active today,
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.950
we found great value in
that steering committee
01:41:29.950 --> 01:41:32.790
to provide a coordinating
body for all things,
01:41:32.790 --> 01:41:35.090
utility wildfire related.
01:41:35.090 --> 01:41:37.060
This simply includes CAL FIRE
01:41:37.060 --> 01:41:39.640
we kindly ask the county Commission,
01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:41.180
California air resources board,
01:41:41.180 --> 01:41:43.470
the Governor's office of
planning and research,
01:41:43.470 --> 01:41:45.430
the California Natural Resources Agency
01:41:45.430 --> 01:41:47.380
and the forest management task force.
01:41:47.380 --> 01:41:50.270
So, all of those agencies
participated in the development
01:41:50.270 --> 01:41:51.720
of the strategy and road map.
01:41:52.890 --> 01:41:55.290
Once Wildfire Safety
Division was established
01:41:55.290 --> 01:41:59.530
and we formerly became
established in January this year,
01:41:59.530 --> 01:42:02.360
the division can lead
in finalizing the strategy
01:42:02.360 --> 01:42:04.410
and road map with
the steering committee.
01:42:05.470 --> 01:42:07.660
The priority in the
development of the strategy
01:42:07.660 --> 01:42:10.570
was balancing near
term vacation activities
01:42:10.570 --> 01:42:13.480
that make each bottle far
less harmful to the public
01:42:13.480 --> 01:42:16.923
with activities focus on
longterm systemic risk reduction.
01:42:17.850 --> 01:42:21.130
To help achieve this equilibrium
we established 4 principles
01:42:21.130 --> 01:42:24.990
to guide those long term
strategy for the division.
01:42:24.990 --> 01:42:27.150
First, active collaboration.
01:42:27.150 --> 01:42:30.040
Second, maintaining a
low active end of the day,
01:42:30.040 --> 01:42:34.500
these bars happen at a local focus,
01:42:34.500 --> 01:42:36.020
long term resilience.
01:42:36.020 --> 01:42:39.400
And then lastly, risking
from data supported decisions
01:42:39.400 --> 01:42:40.453
as board member,
01:42:42.480 --> 01:42:46.267
the critical use data for
Eric (static distort audio).
01:42:49.740 --> 01:42:51.310
To work towards these four principles
01:42:51.310 --> 01:42:53.850
in the context of
utility related wildfire,
01:42:53.850 --> 01:42:57.884
we established what composed
the vision for the division.
01:42:57.884 --> 01:42:58.970
It's an operational vision
01:42:58.970 --> 01:43:01.290
to create a sustainable California
01:43:01.290 --> 01:43:04.150
with no catastrophic
utility related wildfires
01:43:04.150 --> 01:43:05.950
that has access to safe, affordable,
01:43:05.950 --> 01:43:07.283
and reliable electricity.
01:43:08.390 --> 01:43:10.410
In an effort to take action a day
01:43:10.410 --> 01:43:11.917
towards that proposed vision.
01:43:11.917 --> 01:43:14.550
The division has identified
four priority actions
01:43:14.550 --> 01:43:16.340
that we've been actively pursuing
01:43:16.340 --> 01:43:18.190
since we were established in January.
01:43:19.280 --> 01:43:22.150
First, we significantly in
collaboration with mission
01:43:22.150 --> 01:43:25.640
revise the 2020 wildfire
mitigation plan process,
01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:27.040
including the guidelines
01:43:27.040 --> 01:43:29.700
and added a wildfire
mitigation maturity model
01:43:29.700 --> 01:43:33.010
that focuses on understanding
utility wildfire risks
01:43:33.010 --> 01:43:35.380
and drive continued improvement.
01:43:35.380 --> 01:43:37.090
Second, performance metrics.
01:43:37.090 --> 01:43:39.270
We establish performance
metrics to track
01:43:39.270 --> 01:43:41.110
and assess utility
projects with performance
01:43:41.110 --> 01:43:42.743
against outcomes over time.
01:43:44.290 --> 01:43:48.000
Third, cooperate use of
this modeling and analysis to
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.650
assess resource allocation decisions.
01:43:50.650 --> 01:43:52.740
And finally, Data Analytics.
01:43:52.740 --> 01:43:55.150
We developed
implementing a data strategy
01:43:55.150 --> 01:43:58.880
to enable information sharing
across all the stakeholders,
01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.930
and support evaluation of
the wildfire mitigation plan
01:44:01.930 --> 01:44:03.550
and drive Houston analytics,
01:44:03.550 --> 01:44:06.333
in supporting prevention,
response and recovery activities.
01:44:07.452 --> 01:44:09.850
While the four actions
above are a critical first step,
01:44:09.850 --> 01:44:12.190
the strategy recognizes as the division
01:44:12.190 --> 01:44:14.520
and utilities must work collaboratively
01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:17.543
with others to successfully
achieve this proposed vision.
01:44:19.110 --> 01:44:21.830
Those areas for collaboration
center on the processes,
01:44:21.830 --> 01:44:23.420
tools and capabilities necessary
01:44:23.420 --> 01:44:27.560
to support mitigation efforts
for a long term strategy,
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:31.370
think was governance and
coordination, culture and behavior,
01:44:31.370 --> 01:44:33.500
applied science technology and data
01:44:33.500 --> 01:44:34.823
and workforce development.
01:44:36.330 --> 01:44:38.890
Lack of a strategy to find 6 objectives
01:44:38.890 --> 01:44:41.270
against which we measure
the performance of the strategy
01:44:41.270 --> 01:44:43.037
and keep us focused on driving reduction
01:44:43.037 --> 01:44:44.913
and utility really above or at risk.
01:44:46.200 --> 01:44:48.150
The first and honestly
the one that I looked
01:44:48.150 --> 01:44:51.420
as the most important is
respectfully viewed STDs
01:44:51.420 --> 01:44:54.580
related to wildfire
mitigation activities,
01:44:54.580 --> 01:44:56.130
ensuring that our communities can live
01:44:56.130 --> 01:44:58.280
without fear of the
next wildfire is core
01:44:58.280 --> 01:44:59.730
to wildfire mitigation.
01:44:59.730 --> 01:45:02.890
And zero deaths to the only
acceptable safety objective,
01:45:02.890 --> 01:45:05.720
when we had 170
people die from wildfires
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:06.823
in the past 10 years.
01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:09.580
Second property,
01:45:09.580 --> 01:45:11.470
we have to reduce
the losses to structures
01:45:11.470 --> 01:45:14.770
and critical infrastructure
from utility related wildfires.
01:45:14.770 --> 01:45:18.420
Wow, third, natural
resources while supporting,
01:45:18.420 --> 01:45:21.693
reaching on sustainable forest
watersheds and communities.
01:45:22.560 --> 01:45:25.590
We have to do all of this
while maintaining reliability,
01:45:25.590 --> 01:45:28.080
limiting planned and unplanned outages
01:45:28.080 --> 01:45:30.950
that utility relieves
wildfire mitigation activities,
01:45:30.950 --> 01:45:33.440
maintaining affordability,
ensuring that utilities
01:45:33.440 --> 01:45:37.330
prioritize and they prove
wildfire mitigation investments.
01:45:37.330 --> 01:45:38.350
And lastly,
01:45:38.350 --> 01:45:40.890
acknowledging an
action and ensuring that
01:45:40.890 --> 01:45:42.860
utility wildfire mitigation activities,
01:45:42.860 --> 01:45:44.913
also advance on the change goals.
01:45:46.370 --> 01:45:48.920
These objectives will guide
us towards a longer term vision
01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:51.190
and for further conversations between
01:45:51.190 --> 01:45:54.350
divisions, utilities, Commission,
and other stakeholders,
01:45:54.350 --> 01:45:56.320
as we work towards
making meaningful progress
01:45:56.320 --> 01:45:57.683
on reducing wildfire risk.
01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:00.700
The strategy is a foundational document
01:46:00.700 --> 01:46:03.650
on which the division is
building our operating model,
01:46:03.650 --> 01:46:05.870
including the policy
procedures and protocols
01:46:05.870 --> 01:46:08.960
through which the data
will drive reduction in utility
01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:10.860
related wildfire risks.
01:46:10.860 --> 01:46:13.810
Specifically this strategy
and moved back and forth,
01:46:13.810 --> 01:46:15.420
but continued division development,
01:46:15.420 --> 01:46:16.810
as we spend the next 12 months
01:46:16.810 --> 01:46:18.770
executing our responsibilities
01:46:18.770 --> 01:46:20.580
and preparing to
transition to the office
01:46:20.580 --> 01:46:23.903
of Energy Infrastructure
Safety by July 1, 2021.
01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:26.450
We are second comments on the strategy
01:46:26.450 --> 01:46:28.210
and road map for June 30th,
01:46:28.210 --> 01:46:30.840
and we'll be incorporating
this into a final strategy
01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:32.760
and road map this summer.
01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:34.730
I look forward to seeing
the board's comments,
01:46:34.730 --> 01:46:36.540
thank you for your
time and consideration
01:46:36.540 --> 01:46:38.800
of our proposed strategy roadmap.
01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:41.160
With that I'd be happy to
tackle any questions you have.
01:46:41.160 --> 01:46:41.993
Thank you.
01:46:43.320 --> 01:46:44.153
Wow.
01:46:44.153 --> 01:46:45.605
Thank you, Director Edwards.
01:46:45.605 --> 01:46:47.040
That was very well informed.
01:46:47.040 --> 01:46:52.420
I do wanna make sure
we have an opening, either
01:46:52.420 --> 01:46:56.203
Board Member Porter, Board member Block,
01:46:57.470 --> 01:46:58.670
and obviously everyone else.
01:46:58.670 --> 01:47:00.360
Well that's...
01:47:00.360 --> 01:47:02.760
I know these are areas
that they are particular.
01:47:04.070 --> 01:47:05.920
Board Member Block what do you think?
01:47:08.550 --> 01:47:12.840
I was super-duper excited
to read the data strategy
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.253
and then the rest of
the strategy documents.
01:47:16.363 --> 01:47:18.457
I'm a super-duper,
that works for me.
01:47:19.527 --> 01:47:22.613
I hope we can turn that
into a more professional term,
01:47:27.233 --> 01:47:29.313
I was so thrilled in such great reveal,
01:47:30.668 --> 01:47:33.730
I think it's the data
privacy in particular,
01:47:33.730 --> 01:47:38.240
on example of defining
how we build that structure
01:47:38.240 --> 01:47:42.710
and build a place for data
standards to inform metrics
01:47:42.710 --> 01:47:44.753
and targeted and transparent way...
01:48:20.127 --> 01:48:23.550
Ensure that ultra sensitive
data is being informed
01:48:23.550 --> 01:48:25.283
only that at the right level.
01:48:27.610 --> 01:48:29.710
And then, of all the
work that you're doing,
01:48:29.710 --> 01:48:31.850
I just wanna say publicly that
01:48:31.850 --> 01:48:34.250
standardization of data does not imply,
01:48:34.250 --> 01:48:37.263
standardized regulation and
01:48:39.070 --> 01:48:42.530
the more transparent
the data and processes,
01:48:42.530 --> 01:48:44.643
the more we can effectively manage,
01:48:44.643 --> 01:48:47.206
I just wanted to say that
in support of all the work
01:48:47.206 --> 01:48:48.106
that you're doing.
01:48:50.220 --> 01:48:52.970
And those are all of my
comments at the moment.
01:48:52.970 --> 01:48:55.730
So, thanks for everything
that you're doing.
01:48:55.730 --> 01:48:56.563
Thank you.
01:48:56.563 --> 01:48:57.730
Thank you, Board Member Block.
01:48:57.730 --> 01:48:59.650
I wanna make sure
Board Member Alexandra,
01:48:59.650 --> 01:49:01.253
has a chance to weigh in here.
01:49:03.150 --> 01:49:04.043
Yeah, sure.
01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:07.470
I guess I also wanna say that
01:49:07.470 --> 01:49:10.170
I thought this was an
excellent document.
01:49:10.170 --> 01:49:14.150
I'm strongly in support
of the overall philosophy.
01:49:14.150 --> 01:49:19.150
I think, it goes a lot of what
the safety advisory board
01:49:19.260 --> 01:49:20.480
has been saying.
01:49:20.480 --> 01:49:21.313
So, I think it's...
01:49:21.313 --> 01:49:25.490
You know, I think there's a
lot of synergy going on there.
01:49:25.490 --> 01:49:29.690
I think the vision is ambitious,
but I think it's realistic
01:49:30.610 --> 01:49:33.290
and hopefully it's got
the potential to really drive
01:49:33.290 --> 01:49:35.830
some innovation and change.
01:49:35.830 --> 01:49:37.700
So, the only comments I made
01:49:37.700 --> 01:49:40.030
and I sent some to you personally
01:49:40.030 --> 01:49:43.763
had to do with just the
background scientific information.
01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:48.370
And, some of that was just
providing some up to date,
01:49:48.370 --> 01:49:50.030
scientific references
01:49:50.030 --> 01:49:54.233
and being a little bit more
inclusive scientifically.
01:49:56.010 --> 01:49:59.060
For us, of course, you know,
01:49:59.060 --> 01:50:02.160
really critical part of
California natural heritage,
01:50:02.160 --> 01:50:05.340
and they're really critical ecologically
01:50:05.340 --> 01:50:07.630
and a complaint of diversity.
01:50:07.630 --> 01:50:10.227
But I just also wanted to add that
01:50:13.150 --> 01:50:16.040
conifer forest make up 25% of the state,
01:50:16.040 --> 01:50:19.313
and if you add Woodlands, you add,
01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:23.680
you know, another to make
up about 40% of the state,
01:50:23.680 --> 01:50:26.900
but more than 60%
of the state is actually
01:50:26.900 --> 01:50:30.090
non forest to shrubland and grasslands.
01:50:30.090 --> 01:50:33.360
And, this is where a lot
of the wind-driven fires
01:50:33.360 --> 01:50:35.873
have resulted in
structure losses in the past.
01:50:36.750 --> 01:50:38.380
It's also where most of the threatened
01:50:38.380 --> 01:50:39.540
and endangered species are.
01:50:39.540 --> 01:50:44.460
So, just sort of a
recommendation to include
01:50:44.460 --> 01:50:46.920
the other vegetative system
01:50:48.350 --> 01:50:50.570
in the background.
01:50:50.570 --> 01:50:54.953
Any other question to do with
some nuances about climate?
01:50:55.870 --> 01:50:59.370
We spent a lot of research
on fire climate relationships,
01:50:59.370 --> 01:51:00.203
and
01:51:02.131 --> 01:51:04.700
it's interesting because climate
01:51:04.700 --> 01:51:07.930
will likely affect
fire activity directly
01:51:07.930 --> 01:51:09.743
and only certain parts of the state,
01:51:10.890 --> 01:51:12.900
such as the forest.
01:51:12.900 --> 01:51:14.960
But in other parts of the state,
01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:18.030
the effect really is
likely to only be indirect
01:51:18.030 --> 01:51:21.710
through things like drought
for vegetation change
01:51:21.710 --> 01:51:26.570
and those areas, the human
influence is super important.
01:51:26.570 --> 01:51:30.200
Humans are drastically
altering fire activity
01:51:30.200 --> 01:51:32.420
and in some cases
they completely override
01:51:32.420 --> 01:51:33.460
the effects of climate.
01:51:33.460 --> 01:51:34.793
So, it's also just to,
01:51:36.230 --> 01:51:39.210
you know, just acknowledge
some of those forces
01:51:39.210 --> 01:51:40.763
that come into play as well.
01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:45.740
You know, otherwise I think it's just...
01:51:46.750 --> 01:51:50.990
It's straight on and
I'm in full support of...
01:51:50.990 --> 01:51:51.940
Of the whole document.
01:51:51.940 --> 01:51:54.047
So, thank you.
01:51:55.423 --> 01:51:56.256
Thank you.
01:51:56.256 --> 01:51:59.003
I wanna make sure any board
members do have questions,
01:52:00.010 --> 01:52:03.443
or the director have
an opportunity as well.
01:52:06.110 --> 01:52:07.250
Alright, excellent.
01:52:07.250 --> 01:52:09.340
Now, we're going to seat on her staff
01:52:09.340 --> 01:52:11.673
because we not only got enough to her.
01:52:13.258 --> 01:52:14.233
Okay, let's see.
01:52:16.310 --> 01:52:19.570
Oh, wait 30 seconds
for the techs to catch up.
01:52:19.570 --> 01:52:21.080
Are we there?
01:52:21.080 --> 01:52:22.893
Come on, you must be there by now.
01:52:24.360 --> 01:52:27.193
Okay, well, again, I will forecast.
01:52:28.330 --> 01:52:29.683
Thank you again, Caroline.
01:52:31.250 --> 01:52:32.083
Alright.
01:52:32.083 --> 01:52:34.100
So, welcome to Melissa and Chris,
01:52:34.100 --> 01:52:36.297
from the Wildfire Safety
Division for joining us
01:52:36.297 --> 01:52:38.390
and present to us about what's going on
01:52:38.390 --> 01:52:42.250
in the division today, as
opposed to the future strategy.
01:52:42.250 --> 01:52:45.677
I'm not sure, how we'll be there,
01:52:45.677 --> 01:52:48.320
and I know you're trying to
comfort your remarks now,
01:52:48.320 --> 01:52:50.240
to make sure you
don't step on your boss,
01:52:50.240 --> 01:52:51.850
which is a good thing.
01:52:51.850 --> 01:52:54.500
So, let's make sure they're
on his phone and visible.
01:52:55.390 --> 01:52:57.540
Melissa, are you there?
01:52:57.540 --> 01:52:59.460
Oh, here you are.
01:52:59.460 --> 01:53:02.120
Let me unmute
myself out here, yeah.
01:53:02.120 --> 01:53:04.703
Yeah, well, I'd had
that problem all day long.
01:53:06.030 --> 01:53:07.550
Okay.
01:53:07.550 --> 01:53:09.660
Melissa, why don't you go ahead.
01:53:09.660 --> 01:53:10.839
Okay.
01:53:10.839 --> 01:53:13.460
First of all, thank you
for having us here today,
01:53:13.460 --> 01:53:16.460
and I'm going to go
through a few slides,
01:53:16.460 --> 01:53:18.070
I have them up on my screen as well.
01:53:18.070 --> 01:53:19.440
So, I'll just say,
01:53:19.440 --> 01:53:21.870
to switch to the next
slide when it's time,
01:53:21.870 --> 01:53:24.420
which we can go ahead
and switch to the next slide.
01:53:25.390 --> 01:53:27.470
And if I see getting out of track,
01:53:27.470 --> 01:53:29.590
I'll make sure I slow down.
01:53:29.590 --> 01:53:33.964
What I wanted to do today
was revisit the other side,
01:53:33.964 --> 01:53:35.087
so, to speak.
01:53:35.087 --> 01:53:38.910
So, when we first came to
speak to you many months ago,
01:53:38.910 --> 01:53:42.660
the star that's on this slide
was back in the beginning.
01:53:42.660 --> 01:53:46.840
We were in the process
creating our new guidelines,
01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:51.630
releasing them to the
public and starting the entire
01:53:51.630 --> 01:53:54.870
wildfire mitigation plan review process.
01:53:54.870 --> 01:53:58.050
As of today, we have ratified...
01:53:58.050 --> 01:54:02.000
The Commission has
ratified all of the resolutions
01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:04.820
that we put forward
with the exception of
01:54:04.820 --> 01:54:07.320
one related to bear
Valley electric service,
01:54:07.320 --> 01:54:10.480
which I'll explain about a bit further.
01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:13.900
And, we are now entering
into our next phase,
01:54:13.900 --> 01:54:16.070
which is the implementation
and learning phase
01:54:16.070 --> 01:54:18.530
where we're looking at what we learned
01:54:18.530 --> 01:54:20.420
from the process so far,
01:54:20.420 --> 01:54:22.700
how we can improve
upon it for next year,
01:54:22.700 --> 01:54:24.500
and of course, taking into account.
01:54:24.500 --> 01:54:26.070
With that will be the comments
01:54:26.070 --> 01:54:27.660
that you all are putting forward
01:54:27.660 --> 01:54:31.278
are related to the 2021
metrics and guidelines
01:54:31.278 --> 01:54:34.590
as we move forward into the 2021 plan.
01:54:34.590 --> 01:54:35.453
Next slide.
01:54:39.350 --> 01:54:41.660
Waiting for her to catch up.
01:54:41.660 --> 01:54:42.553
There we go.
01:54:43.570 --> 01:54:45.970
So, the guidelines
that we released
01:54:45.970 --> 01:54:48.072
is taking us back to
the beginning to review
01:54:48.072 --> 01:54:50.530
where we've gone this year.
01:54:50.530 --> 01:54:53.840
The objectives for the guidelines
that we released this year
01:54:53.840 --> 01:54:54.673
were threefold.
01:54:54.673 --> 01:54:57.420
One was to increase standardization
01:54:57.420 --> 01:55:02.120
among the submissions of
utilities wildfire mitigation plan.
01:55:02.120 --> 01:55:06.290
Until proved objectivity
by having a systematic,
01:55:06.290 --> 01:55:09.400
excuse me, in uniform
review of the quantitative
01:55:09.400 --> 01:55:11.080
and qualitative information.
01:55:11.080 --> 01:55:12.880
And again, to have a
forward looking focus.
01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:16.220
And that's what Director
Thomas Jacobs was focusing on
01:55:16.220 --> 01:55:17.730
with the maturity model to make sure
01:55:17.730 --> 01:55:21.010
that we're moving utilities
forward on a continuous basis,
01:55:21.010 --> 01:55:23.760
year over year, towards
the goal of reducing
01:55:23.760 --> 01:55:26.670
wildfire impacts by utilities.
01:55:26.670 --> 01:55:27.503
Next slide.
01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:35.330
Our review of the WMPs this
year focused on four factors.
01:55:35.330 --> 01:55:37.440
The first was completeness.
01:55:37.440 --> 01:55:39.598
The second was technically
feasible and effective
01:55:39.598 --> 01:55:41.010
in reducing wildfire risk.
01:55:41.010 --> 01:55:43.896
The third was
looking at a new sheet
01:55:43.896 --> 01:55:46.867
just to make sure there was
efficient use of resources.
01:55:46.867 --> 01:55:48.097
And the fourth as mentioned before,
01:55:48.097 --> 01:55:51.250
was make sure that the
plans that you put forward
01:55:51.250 --> 01:55:52.950
were sufficiently forward looking
01:55:52.950 --> 01:55:55.173
and that they had addition for growth.
01:55:56.630 --> 01:55:57.463
Next slide.
01:55:59.170 --> 01:56:02.630
The evaluation team this
year consisted of 27 members,
01:56:02.630 --> 01:56:04.900
we had 18 subject matter writing
01:56:04.900 --> 01:56:08.340
and project management
experts from across the CPUC.
01:56:08.340 --> 01:56:10.150
And we were assisted in our review
01:56:10.150 --> 01:56:12.633
by 9 subject matter
experts from CAL FIRE.
01:56:12.633 --> 01:56:14.120
So, I want to emphasize
01:56:14.120 --> 01:56:16.340
what a collaborative process this was,
01:56:16.340 --> 01:56:18.510
how much we relied upon expertise
01:56:18.510 --> 01:56:21.220
from across the Commission
and from CAL FIRE,
01:56:21.220 --> 01:56:23.710
and how valuable the...
01:56:23.710 --> 01:56:27.100
All of this work to getting VR
01:56:28.832 --> 01:56:31.301
and my hats off to all day,
01:56:31.301 --> 01:56:33.957
but just my hats off to dissipate.
01:56:35.194 --> 01:56:37.636
And we couldn't have
done it without each person
01:56:37.636 --> 01:56:40.680
who was part of this team,
who came together quite quickly,
01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:43.343
given the 90 days that
we had reviewed the plan.
01:56:44.540 --> 01:56:45.373
Next slide.
01:56:49.627 --> 01:56:51.827
In part of evaluation
we looked at the plan,
01:56:53.105 --> 01:56:55.117
with an eye, either approving,
01:56:55.117 --> 01:57:00.010
approving with Commission
or in the term a denial
01:57:00.010 --> 01:57:03.324
in the case that they're valid
termination and elegance,
01:57:03.324 --> 01:57:04.817
take that in a moment.
01:57:04.817 --> 01:57:07.070
But the vast majority
of the rest of the plans
01:57:07.070 --> 01:57:09.610
be approved there
whilst our litigation plans
01:57:09.610 --> 01:57:10.583
with conditions.
01:57:12.570 --> 01:57:14.340
With the exception of
01:57:14.340 --> 01:57:16.910
the Independent Transmission Operators,
01:57:16.910 --> 01:57:19.170
which we approved fully.
01:57:19.170 --> 01:57:21.260
When we looked through the plan,
01:57:21.260 --> 01:57:25.467
we evaluated them
in terms of deficiency.
01:57:25.467 --> 01:57:26.480
What we saw was the thing
01:57:26.480 --> 01:57:29.040
and conditions to
remedy those deficiencies.
01:57:29.040 --> 01:57:32.640
So, approving with conditions
means we found a deficiency
01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:36.540
and we put in place to
remedy that deficiency.
01:57:36.540 --> 01:57:39.470
The deficiencies were
categorized a free class,
01:57:39.470 --> 01:57:44.470
a class A deficiency aspect
of the plan is lacking or flawed
01:57:44.570 --> 01:57:47.770
to resolve, I say
deficiency, but utilities
01:57:47.770 --> 01:57:49.790
provide a reveal compliance plan
01:57:49.790 --> 01:57:52.320
within 45 days of gratification.
01:57:52.320 --> 01:57:56.320
So, 45 days as from
June 11th of this year.
01:57:56.320 --> 01:57:58.170
Class B deficiency,
01:57:58.170 --> 01:58:00.760
insufficient detail or justification
01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.407
provided in the
wildfire mitigation plan,
01:58:03.407 --> 01:58:05.800
and to resolve a class B deficiency
01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:09.070
utility must submit
eight quarterly report
01:58:09.070 --> 01:58:12.426
that April passed a
resolution within 90 days.
01:58:12.426 --> 01:58:13.259
And finally,
01:58:13.259 --> 01:58:16.410
class C deficiency means
there are gaps in baseline
01:58:16.410 --> 01:58:17.890
for historical data.
01:58:17.890 --> 01:58:20.840
And those defficiencies
are going to resolve
01:58:20.840 --> 01:58:24.083
within the 2021 plans, their
updates that they submit.
01:58:25.310 --> 01:58:26.163
Next slide.
01:58:28.060 --> 01:58:30.563
This slide is meant to
provide you an overview
01:58:30.563 --> 01:58:33.130
of some of the themes that we found
01:58:33.130 --> 01:58:36.710
across all of the
wildfire mitigation plans.
01:58:36.710 --> 01:58:37.543
These are the areas
01:58:37.543 --> 01:58:40.360
that we're going to be
looking at moving forward,
01:58:40.360 --> 01:58:42.160
our particular focus going forward,
01:58:42.160 --> 01:58:44.470
we'll be highlighting here.
01:58:44.470 --> 01:58:47.450
And of course, some of
these areas that will be familiar
01:58:47.450 --> 01:58:49.907
because of the same areas
that in the board provided
01:58:49.907 --> 01:58:52.530
and their feedback on the plan
01:58:52.530 --> 01:58:54.720
of some of the areas that were missing.
01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:57.200
So overall, we found a little discussion
01:58:57.200 --> 01:58:59.710
of how the models
assess the consequences
01:58:59.710 --> 01:59:02.640
of a given ignition and how
the outputs were leveraged
01:59:02.640 --> 01:59:03.600
for decision making.
01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:06.190
So, we wanted to see
more robust risk assessment
01:59:06.190 --> 01:59:07.840
and mapping.
01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:11.950
It was unclear how the
WMPs significantly leveraged
01:59:11.950 --> 01:59:15.410
the initiatives to reduce
risk in terms of admissions
01:59:15.410 --> 01:59:17.003
and PSPS events.
01:59:18.790 --> 01:59:23.420
We'll look on the PSPS
and unclear how the WMP
01:59:23.420 --> 01:59:26.230
is particularly in vegetation
management and hardening work
01:59:26.230 --> 01:59:31.000
will quantify lead reduce
the scale of PSPS events.
01:59:31.000 --> 01:59:33.920
By increasing the wind thresholds.
01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:36.300
Overall, there are
constraints that were found
01:59:36.300 --> 01:59:39.330
in vegetation management in terms of
01:59:39.330 --> 01:59:42.400
being able to find the adequate staff,
01:59:42.400 --> 01:59:45.080
you undertake vegetation
management efforts.
01:59:45.080 --> 01:59:47.780
And across these three large utilities,
01:59:47.780 --> 01:59:50.571
we found little to no
analysis presented to how,
01:59:50.571 --> 01:59:54.170
as far as how it hands
vegetation management programs
01:59:54.170 --> 01:59:55.937
reduce technicians overall,
01:59:55.937 --> 01:59:59.000
and we asked for more
information about that.
01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:01.510
And areas of weakness across the plan
02:00:01.510 --> 02:00:03.725
was related to this suspend deficiency.
02:00:03.725 --> 02:00:05.613
And they did not
sufficiently demonstrate
02:00:05.613 --> 02:00:09.350
that they're allocating,
provided resources they have,
02:00:09.350 --> 02:00:12.743
that's effectively reduce
wildfire risk and PSPS.
02:00:13.690 --> 02:00:15.940
And finally timelines.
02:00:15.940 --> 02:00:19.100
We want to be able to hold
our utilities in compliance
02:00:19.100 --> 02:00:20.070
with their timelines.
02:00:20.070 --> 02:00:22.930
And we wanted to see
more information about
02:00:22.930 --> 02:00:25.480
all the stuff they were
going to taking in terms of
02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:28.730
moving forward on
their mitigation efforts.
02:00:28.730 --> 02:00:31.190
So, that's not to say
that these were absent
02:00:31.190 --> 02:00:32.400
completely in their plan.
02:00:32.400 --> 02:00:34.220
It's just, these are the areas where,
02:00:34.220 --> 02:00:36.307
we want to be driving
forward, and we want to,
02:00:36.307 --> 02:00:38.170
you know, be looking more closely
02:00:38.170 --> 02:00:41.403
and working collaboratively
for in these areas.
02:00:42.490 --> 02:00:43.750
Next slide, please.
02:00:45.115 --> 02:00:45.948
What I'll do now,
02:00:45.948 --> 02:00:48.240
I'll just quickly run through
each of the resolutions.
02:00:48.240 --> 02:00:51.277
The way we formatted
our evaluation this year
02:00:51.277 --> 02:00:53.600
was we had a guidance resolution,
02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:55.410
that provided overarching themes
02:00:55.410 --> 02:00:57.330
that we found across the plans,
02:00:57.330 --> 02:01:00.623
and then individual
resolutions for each utility.
02:01:01.730 --> 02:01:06.100
For the guidance solution,
we had one class A deficiency,
02:01:06.100 --> 02:01:07.940
which was about lack of risk modeling
02:01:07.940 --> 02:01:09.300
to inform decision making
02:01:09.300 --> 02:01:11.800
and asked for more
information about that,
02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:15.800
10 class B deficiencies
and one class C deficiency.
02:01:15.800 --> 02:01:19.750
And as noted before, coming
to the three large I'll use,
02:01:19.750 --> 02:01:23.340
but not to all of the
other utilities 'cause,
02:01:23.340 --> 02:01:25.010
we required them to demonstrate,
02:01:25.010 --> 02:01:26.390
to provide additional information,
02:01:26.390 --> 02:01:29.010
to demonstrate the
effectiveness of increased
02:01:29.010 --> 02:01:30.430
vegetation management clearances,
02:01:30.430 --> 02:01:32.453
or enhanced vegetation management.
02:01:33.830 --> 02:01:34.663
Next slide.
02:01:38.260 --> 02:01:40.160
Here, we have a summary.
02:01:40.160 --> 02:01:42.350
But the largest, these are
probably small for you all.
02:01:42.350 --> 02:01:44.100
We'll provide summary information
02:01:44.100 --> 02:01:45.960
for the three large
investor owned utilities
02:01:45.960 --> 02:01:50.718
and then the 3 smaller
multijurisdictional.
02:01:50.718 --> 02:01:52.450
Overall across utilities,
02:01:52.450 --> 02:01:55.630
we found that the plans
met minimum requirements,
02:01:55.630 --> 02:01:57.720
and there are areas of concern,
02:01:57.720 --> 02:02:01.120
I had some selected,
one's here that I put forward,
02:02:01.120 --> 02:02:02.660
but these of course are not exhaustive
02:02:02.660 --> 02:02:04.370
of all the areas of concern.
02:02:04.370 --> 02:02:07.160
For PGE there were
7 class A deficiencies,
02:02:07.160 --> 02:02:09.260
those are, of course,
in addition to the ones
02:02:09.260 --> 02:02:12.080
in the guidance resolution
which are also binding for them,
02:02:12.080 --> 02:02:15.530
20 class B deficiencies
and 2 class C deficiencies.
02:02:15.530 --> 02:02:16.533
For Edison,
02:02:17.720 --> 02:02:21.483
we had some trouble
seeing my slide bleeds 8.
02:02:22.610 --> 02:02:24.287
Class A deficiencies.
02:02:27.979 --> 02:02:29.140
Okay, 3 class A deficiencies,
02:02:29.140 --> 02:02:31.410
18 class B deficiencies and one class C.
02:02:31.410 --> 02:02:32.650
And then for San Diego,
02:02:32.650 --> 02:02:35.813
one class A, 14 class
B, and one class C.
02:02:36.710 --> 02:02:38.920
And, we provided information, of course,
02:02:38.920 --> 02:02:40.090
in the resolution for how...
02:02:40.090 --> 02:02:42.340
For explaining what the deficiencies are
02:02:42.340 --> 02:02:45.333
and how they can
ramp it up deficiencies.
02:02:47.300 --> 02:02:48.253
Next slide, please.
02:02:50.460 --> 02:02:52.680
So, for Liberty
PacifiCorp and Bear Valley
02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:55.400
for Liberty and PacifiCorp will be found
02:02:55.400 --> 02:02:57.610
that the plans met minimum requirements
02:02:57.610 --> 02:03:00.913
and they are making good
either efforts to prevent risk,
02:03:00.913 --> 02:03:03.290
given that they have
an exemption to date
02:03:03.290 --> 02:03:06.130
from the Commission's S
map and ramp requirements
02:03:06.130 --> 02:03:07.723
or risk requirements.
02:03:09.380 --> 02:03:12.080
There are class A
deficiencies for Liberty
02:03:12.080 --> 02:03:15.970
and also PacifiCorp,
four class B to Liberty,
02:03:15.970 --> 02:03:18.460
one class C, and again,
five class B for PacifiCorp
02:03:18.460 --> 02:03:20.800
and two class C.
02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:24.150
For Bear Valley, we did
not render this determination
02:03:24.150 --> 02:03:24.983
on Bear Valley.
02:03:24.983 --> 02:03:26.863
We had put out a draft resolutions,
02:03:27.810 --> 02:03:31.320
however, on Bear Valley
submitted errata on may 22nd,
02:03:31.320 --> 02:03:34.657
that just actually altered
the contents of their plan.
02:03:34.657 --> 02:03:36.360
And so, as a result of that,
02:03:36.360 --> 02:03:39.160
we have a 2 meeting
holes as of right now
02:03:39.160 --> 02:03:41.050
on the Commission agenda.
02:03:41.050 --> 02:03:41.883
And again,
02:03:42.769 --> 02:03:45.490
the impact on their
plan or that overall plan,
02:03:45.490 --> 02:03:49.270
spend decreased from
247 million to 46 million.
02:03:49.270 --> 02:03:52.191
So, it's substantial
change in their plan
02:03:52.191 --> 02:03:54.320
as a result of their update.
02:03:54.320 --> 02:03:58.090
And so, we are moving
forward as far as how to proceed
02:03:58.090 --> 02:03:59.943
to look at that plan going forward.
02:04:01.510 --> 02:04:02.343
Next slide.
02:04:03.970 --> 02:04:07.070
And finally, for the Independent
Transmission Owners
02:04:07.070 --> 02:04:09.890
that Trans Bay Cable and
Horizon West Transmission,
02:04:09.890 --> 02:04:12.410
these are the only plans that
we approve without conditions.
02:04:12.410 --> 02:04:14.123
So, they have a full approval.
02:04:15.880 --> 02:04:16.713
Based on comments,
02:04:16.713 --> 02:04:19.793
the only area of concern
is that Horizon West,
02:04:20.953 --> 02:04:23.070
a primary objective
or primary initiative
02:04:23.070 --> 02:04:25.740
that they relied on for
their wildfire mitigation
02:04:25.740 --> 02:04:28.610
is an undergrounding
and a portion of line.
02:04:28.610 --> 02:04:32.130
And, that undergrounding
project is facing delays,
02:04:32.130 --> 02:04:34.690
and so, that is something
that we're looking into.
02:04:34.690 --> 02:04:38.373
But otherwise, plans were
approved without conditions.
02:04:39.610 --> 02:04:41.870
And that, just the high level overview
02:04:41.870 --> 02:04:43.400
that I had to provide for you today,
02:04:43.400 --> 02:04:45.750
I'm happy to dive into any more detail
02:04:45.750 --> 02:04:47.400
or answer any questions,
02:04:47.400 --> 02:04:49.150
but that brings you
to where we are today,
02:04:49.150 --> 02:04:52.620
which is essentially moving
forward with the conditions
02:04:52.620 --> 02:04:56.143
and remedying deficiencies
and other support to 2021.
02:04:57.280 --> 02:04:58.113
Thank you.
02:04:58.113 --> 02:05:00.282
Melissa I have
a quick question.
02:05:00.282 --> 02:05:01.199
Is there...
02:05:02.042 --> 02:05:03.820
I don't know what to explain this,
02:05:03.820 --> 02:05:07.673
degree of difficulty
associated with the deficiencies,
02:05:07.673 --> 02:05:11.620
that there's a means of prioritization,
02:05:11.620 --> 02:05:12.820
or they just list them all?
02:05:12.820 --> 02:05:15.200
I'm just... I'm confused.
02:05:15.200 --> 02:05:17.050
As far as how they
show up in resolutions,
02:05:17.050 --> 02:05:20.177
or as far as... Yeah,
I mean if you had,
02:05:20.177 --> 02:05:23.710
you know, 10 cents
and you'd only fixed 2,
02:05:23.710 --> 02:05:28.203
is there any indication
of(static distort audio)
02:05:28.203 --> 02:05:30.680
prioritization of your recommendation?
02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:33.100
Yeah, and that's why we
divided them into the classes.
02:05:33.100 --> 02:05:35.510
So, the class A or what we
consider to be the most serious
02:05:35.510 --> 02:05:39.600
that require immediate books,
you know, we need look further
02:05:39.600 --> 02:05:41.200
and that we need to dive in deeper.
02:05:41.200 --> 02:05:43.910
And so, that's where we...
Why we have a 45 days,
02:05:43.910 --> 02:05:46.320
they have to submit or
remedial compliance plan
02:05:46.320 --> 02:05:48.084
for how they're going to resolve
02:05:48.084 --> 02:05:49.570
those sorts of deficiencies.
02:05:49.570 --> 02:05:52.850
So, an example would be that
enhanced vegetation management.
02:05:52.850 --> 02:05:53.683
It's not necessarily,
02:05:53.683 --> 02:05:57.130
that the utility is going to
be able to show us in 45 days
02:05:57.130 --> 02:06:00.050
in resolution to that, but
they need to submit a plan
02:06:00.050 --> 02:06:01.690
for how they're going to show,
02:06:01.690 --> 02:06:04.540
what we see as lacking in terms of
02:06:04.540 --> 02:06:07.800
the efficacy of enhanced
vegetation management
02:06:09.140 --> 02:06:10.800
for reducing wildfire ignition.
02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:11.970
So, that's an example.
02:06:11.970 --> 02:06:14.420
And then class B and
then class C, you know,
02:06:14.420 --> 02:06:16.570
it's something that we
can address in 2021.
02:06:17.750 --> 02:06:19.010
Okay.
02:06:19.010 --> 02:06:21.980
I wanna make sure any of
the board members have any
02:06:21.980 --> 02:06:23.720
comments on Melissa's talk.
02:06:23.720 --> 02:06:27.865
Mr Nader I cannot believe
I see your hand in the air.
02:06:27.865 --> 02:06:28.760
There it is.
02:06:28.760 --> 02:06:30.270
Please, be flexible.
02:06:30.270 --> 02:06:32.760
I am simply eating him because
02:06:32.760 --> 02:06:35.540
he truly is a technical
genius in his way.
02:06:35.540 --> 02:06:37.303
So, John please go ahead.
02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:39.977
Well, thank you, Chair Edwards.
02:06:39.977 --> 02:06:41.720
I'm just an engineer, but yeah.
02:06:41.720 --> 02:06:43.160
Thank you, Melissa.
02:06:43.160 --> 02:06:45.830
I think that it...
I'd like to call
02:06:45.830 --> 02:06:48.207
your attention back to our
recommendations today
02:06:48.207 --> 02:06:51.130
and also our
recommendations on the 2020,
02:06:51.130 --> 02:06:55.720
the guideline or WMP
submitted by the IOU.
02:06:55.720 --> 02:06:57.610
In the guide...
02:06:57.610 --> 02:06:59.730
In those recommendations on the 2020,
02:06:59.730 --> 02:07:03.150
we also identified
that there was a lack of
02:07:03.150 --> 02:07:05.000
transparency or lack of
02:07:05.850 --> 02:07:08.090
explanation of how
02:07:08.090 --> 02:07:10.110
hardening could also relate to both
02:07:10.950 --> 02:07:14.679
one wildfire risk reduction
and the prevalence
02:07:14.679 --> 02:07:16.780
and the amount of that reduction.
02:07:16.780 --> 02:07:20.480
But also, we've
resolved in the reduction
02:07:20.480 --> 02:07:23.497
of the reliance on PSPS events.
02:07:24.340 --> 02:07:27.800
And, today in our
adopted recommendation,
02:07:27.800 --> 02:07:31.520
I think you'll find in 2.1
and 4.2 combined together
02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:34.510
as my comments value
based comments earlier,
02:07:34.510 --> 02:07:36.660
go to exactly that, which is,
02:07:36.660 --> 02:07:40.130
you know, how are you going
to quantify the risk reduction,
02:07:40.130 --> 02:07:44.980
both from wildfire, but
also from a related to PSPS,
02:07:44.980 --> 02:07:48.660
which should be treated
as a risk in of itself.
02:07:48.660 --> 02:07:50.520
You know, it's not a desirable state
02:07:50.520 --> 02:07:52.560
shut down the power to the customers.
02:07:52.560 --> 02:07:54.730
That's not something
that we're looking for.
02:07:54.730 --> 02:07:56.210
We're looking for something else,
02:07:56.210 --> 02:08:00.290
which is risk reduction and
being able to reduce PSPS event.
02:08:00.290 --> 02:08:03.440
And so, those two combined together,
02:08:03.440 --> 02:08:05.330
are a concept on how we could actually
02:08:05.330 --> 02:08:07.213
start to quantify those
02:08:07.213 --> 02:08:09.140
and be able to provide the guidelines.
02:08:09.140 --> 02:08:11.820
Today, I will use the
kind of spend deficiency
02:08:11.820 --> 02:08:14.080
to combine those two goals together
02:08:14.080 --> 02:08:19.080
and through the allocation
of resources as informed,
02:08:19.170 --> 02:08:23.280
by risk reduction achieved
by these mitigation projects,
02:08:23.280 --> 02:08:26.770
to be able to operate the system safely
02:08:26.770 --> 02:08:30.080
at higher wind speeds
in their current operator.
02:08:30.080 --> 02:08:34.190
So, I think that we
have identified together.
02:08:34.190 --> 02:08:36.340
I would note that one of the utilities
02:08:36.340 --> 02:08:41.340
when in the 2020 wildfire
mitigation plan presentation,
02:08:42.390 --> 02:08:44.650
they had noted how
they were going to reduce
02:08:44.650 --> 02:08:49.650
the number of events related
to switching and moving load
02:08:49.783 --> 02:08:52.400
and puts his own other
management managers.
02:08:52.400 --> 02:08:56.205
Not a single minute with
dedicated to the amount of PSPS
02:08:56.205 --> 02:08:57.490
that would be appointed because
02:08:57.490 --> 02:09:00.780
there'd been a medication
project applied to those...
02:09:00.780 --> 02:09:02.350
Any of those seconds.
02:09:02.350 --> 02:09:03.993
So, yeah, there's...
02:09:03.993 --> 02:09:06.360
There's definitely a place
that we can address this.
02:09:06.360 --> 02:09:10.610
I look forward to working with
the Wildfire Safety Division.
02:09:10.610 --> 02:09:15.400
We can help add, we have
identified a common interest
02:09:15.400 --> 02:09:17.610
and it was the areas that we think that
02:09:17.610 --> 02:09:19.733
we can help the investor-owned
utility perform better,
02:09:19.733 --> 02:09:23.380
to be able to deliver more
resources or more benefit
02:09:23.380 --> 02:09:24.213
to the...
02:09:24.213 --> 02:09:26.260
To their customers for the
same amount of resources.
02:09:28.150 --> 02:09:30.530
Thank you, and
to respond to that,
02:09:30.530 --> 02:09:31.690
loud and clear we heard you
02:09:31.690 --> 02:09:34.150
and we started looking
concerned, as you know.
02:09:34.150 --> 02:09:36.109
I do wanna highlight that
02:09:36.109 --> 02:09:38.133
for very much related
to one of the things
02:09:38.133 --> 02:09:39.530
that you just raised with.
02:09:39.530 --> 02:09:42.350
That We did say that deficiency
02:09:42.350 --> 02:09:45.310
could not be used as
a tool to justify PSPS
02:09:45.310 --> 02:09:48.000
because, of course, it comes
out as a winner (laughing)
02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.490
in terms of how it's
currently being calculated,
02:09:50.490 --> 02:09:53.290
because it currently
does not take into effect
02:09:53.290 --> 02:09:56.490
or into account the
effects on the public.
02:09:56.490 --> 02:09:58.300
So, we share your concerns
02:09:58.300 --> 02:10:01.033
and look forward to working
together on that going forward.
02:10:04.060 --> 02:10:06.180
Excellent, do we
have any more questions
02:10:06.180 --> 02:10:07.813
or comments from the board?
02:10:09.900 --> 02:10:11.907
Alright, no one.
02:10:12.990 --> 02:10:17.110
We'll say thanks so much for
the depth of your presentation,
02:10:17.110 --> 02:10:19.160
it's very much appreciated.
02:10:19.160 --> 02:10:21.150
I see Chris is setting up on deck,
02:10:21.150 --> 02:10:23.657
I don't want to interrupt
you to talk about this
02:10:23.657 --> 02:10:25.933
but (laughs) thank you.
02:10:27.220 --> 02:10:29.173
You can do your best, go ahead.
02:10:34.450 --> 02:10:35.600
Chris you may build in.
02:10:36.591 --> 02:10:37.700
Alright, there I go,
02:10:37.700 --> 02:10:39.460
I'll just represent up
myself on through review
02:10:39.460 --> 02:10:40.763
and take it away.
02:10:43.070 --> 02:10:43.903
So,
02:10:45.700 --> 02:10:48.490
I just gonna go through fairly quickly,
02:10:48.490 --> 02:10:49.323
as you said,
02:10:51.860 --> 02:10:54.433
director, again,
Melissa went through,
02:10:55.350 --> 02:10:58.370
you know, very
exhaustively talking to focus
02:10:58.370 --> 02:11:00.603
just on what our friends and working on.
02:11:02.640 --> 02:11:04.890
Basically with all the work at.
02:11:04.890 --> 02:11:09.890
We are, our focus is to (mumbles)
02:11:10.835 --> 02:11:14.860
Are these electrical
corporations accountable
02:11:14.860 --> 02:11:16.620
for all the promises made in there
02:11:16.620 --> 02:11:19.640
and also, give as much feedback
02:11:19.640 --> 02:11:23.330
as we can to the advisory
board and other stakeholders,
02:11:23.330 --> 02:11:26.500
including on what's
working, what's not working
02:11:26.500 --> 02:11:31.500
and where there could be
a very specific improvement
02:11:32.970 --> 02:11:34.053
in future.
02:11:35.355 --> 02:11:39.750
I really appreciate the
advice and recommendations
02:11:41.029 --> 02:11:44.440
that word provided
to a lot of the issues
02:11:46.864 --> 02:11:49.730
I ran into asking the question of
02:11:49.730 --> 02:11:53.630
how do we fold the utilities accountable
02:11:55.590 --> 02:11:58.710
with the WMP as written?
02:11:58.710 --> 02:11:59.543
You know,
02:12:00.630 --> 02:12:04.080
the team did a great job
making them much better
02:12:04.080 --> 02:12:07.035
than they were, which I
proposed, but as you identified,
02:12:07.035 --> 02:12:08.641
there was some ways to go.
02:12:08.641 --> 02:12:10.900
So, just wanted to go
through my quick talking points,
02:12:10.900 --> 02:12:12.023
the group questions.
02:12:14.670 --> 02:12:16.973
We talked about, keeping the evaluator
02:12:16.973 --> 02:12:19.153
before the public comment three for
02:12:21.520 --> 02:12:24.606
the process for developing
the independent evaluator
02:12:24.606 --> 02:12:26.429
and indeed on that sheet.
02:12:26.429 --> 02:12:28.180
And since I'm already
doing the comments received
02:12:28.180 --> 02:12:29.623
and coordinated internally,
02:12:30.550 --> 02:12:34.220
there was some confusion on issues.
02:12:34.220 --> 02:12:37.610
It was receiving comments
on sort of the general process.
02:12:39.980 --> 02:12:42.230
And we were asking for comments on
02:12:44.271 --> 02:12:47.320
general areas did not get setbacks.
02:12:47.320 --> 02:12:50.770
We did not want to
say we're putting a very,
02:12:50.770 --> 02:12:53.810
very biopic detail on
everything we want.
02:12:53.810 --> 02:12:56.162
These guys used to do for content,
02:12:56.162 --> 02:12:58.373
that'll go on qualifications.
02:12:59.727 --> 02:13:00.827
What we're looking at,
02:13:02.130 --> 02:13:03.630
the qualifications of these...
02:13:04.580 --> 02:13:07.050
These parties, but there's
also a bit of confusion
02:13:07.050 --> 02:13:10.050
because if you've noticed in the code,
02:13:10.050 --> 02:13:13.380
there are three different
independent evaluators
02:13:13.380 --> 02:13:16.910
that are different
entities and of the public,
02:13:16.910 --> 02:13:18.370
they can confused on that one.
02:13:18.370 --> 02:13:24.077
So, You know, previously
in anything that seems
02:13:24.077 --> 02:13:26.830
all recommendations
for legislative clean up
02:13:26.830 --> 02:13:29.270
so, that they talked
about being defended
02:13:29.270 --> 02:13:30.770
by where there's, how you use.
02:13:32.324 --> 02:13:33.363
We'll have EA independent drive,
02:13:34.308 --> 02:13:36.830
they're getting higher and
higher and then additional ones
02:13:36.830 --> 02:13:38.860
or that just focused
on financial issues.
02:13:38.860 --> 02:13:42.250
So, just say not
conflate all the people.
02:13:43.366 --> 02:13:46.987
Second, will continue
to work on our reviews
02:13:48.400 --> 02:13:50.840
as part of the finance report
02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:55.220
that are coming from
for coal corporation.
02:13:55.220 --> 02:13:58.925
One of the challenges was
the other thing is identified for
02:13:58.925 --> 02:14:03.720
cleanup is that the
electrical corporation,
02:14:03.720 --> 02:14:07.350
they crack and report
on an annual basis.
02:14:07.350 --> 02:14:12.510
January to December,
the mitigation plans
02:14:12.510 --> 02:14:15.400
are right now about the June,
02:14:15.400 --> 02:14:17.230
there's a question
whether that will give you
02:14:17.230 --> 02:14:19.889
June in one year as a compliance period,
02:14:19.889 --> 02:14:24.580
or if I compliance period is from June,
02:14:24.580 --> 02:14:29.580
whatever, when the times
get approved to a year in June,
02:14:29.840 --> 02:14:32.300
when the end of that 3 year period.
02:14:32.300 --> 02:14:33.980
So, we're working on those questions,
02:14:33.980 --> 02:14:36.180
but until we get back
clarified a little bit
02:14:37.100 --> 02:14:40.530
looking at what the
utilities are doing versus
02:14:40.530 --> 02:14:42.640
what they paid for and the plans,
02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:45.220
it takes a little bit of work
02:14:45.220 --> 02:14:48.030
because they are on
different time frame.
02:14:48.030 --> 02:14:51.330
So, we're working on that
to make sure that we can
02:14:52.270 --> 02:14:54.253
keep them on task.
02:14:55.500 --> 02:14:56.333
So,
02:14:58.030 --> 02:15:00.690
on the things you guys probably are
02:15:01.930 --> 02:15:03.660
most interested in,
02:15:03.660 --> 02:15:06.130
we started field
inspections on the Fort.
02:15:07.175 --> 02:15:09.820
We developed, standard
operating procedures to work
02:15:09.820 --> 02:15:12.090
safely under the COVID-19
02:15:13.370 --> 02:15:14.203
risks.
02:15:14.203 --> 02:15:17.843
And we're able to get
our staff out in the field,
02:15:19.749 --> 02:15:22.253
you know, on a weekly
basis since May 4th.
02:15:23.640 --> 02:15:28.140
And we completed over
700 inspection activities
02:15:28.140 --> 02:15:30.080
just in the TGV territory,
02:15:30.080 --> 02:15:31.330
because that's where we pumped this
02:15:31.330 --> 02:15:32.530
because of a lot of other issues.
02:15:32.530 --> 02:15:35.040
And, because of COVID issues,
02:15:35.040 --> 02:15:39.670
I did not, well, it's been flying or,
02:15:39.670 --> 02:15:40.660
you know, providing places.
02:15:40.660 --> 02:15:43.080
So, we just refocused
initially you need focus, right?
02:15:43.080 --> 02:15:45.460
And then we're moving out.
02:15:45.460 --> 02:15:47.530
When I thought about
checking the activity,
02:15:47.530 --> 02:15:48.930
just to be clear,
02:15:48.930 --> 02:15:52.320
that is not actually
been in a field where
02:15:52.320 --> 02:15:57.320
the teeth by looking at and
reward different activities.
02:15:57.950 --> 02:16:00.577
But these are different
ones where, all those,
02:16:00.577 --> 02:16:02.193
you know, more than 700,
02:16:02.193 --> 02:16:05.630
133 of those were hardening work
02:16:06.680 --> 02:16:11.251
121 of those were in
vegetation management,
02:16:11.251 --> 02:16:14.780
130 were PSPS vegetation.
02:16:14.780 --> 02:16:15.640
And we also,
02:16:16.980 --> 02:16:19.600
not specifically looking
for these that we...
02:16:19.600 --> 02:16:22.360
While we're on site,
if we see any obvious
02:16:22.360 --> 02:16:26.500
of 95 defects or
issues, we'll look at that.
02:16:26.500 --> 02:16:31.500
So, we did about 3 of
them, 3 online, 5 inspection.
02:16:32.040 --> 02:16:33.340
We're not paying that,
02:16:33.340 --> 02:16:37.417
if we do a section of an area
that is completely signed off
02:16:37.417 --> 02:16:40.630
for 2, go 95, that's not a specialty.
02:16:40.630 --> 02:16:43.340
It's just, you're really
looking at the obvious things
02:16:43.340 --> 02:16:44.760
and reporting those back.
02:16:44.760 --> 02:16:48.173
If you also making sure that
02:16:48.173 --> 02:16:52.856
other division Commission
understand those we missed,
02:16:52.856 --> 02:16:56.883
we basically found
36 defect, inspection,
02:16:57.740 --> 02:17:00.760
which really communicates for residents
02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:02.680
that these facts are
02:17:03.810 --> 02:17:05.863
ranging from birth to death.
02:17:07.303 --> 02:17:09.750
Some conductors dry wires,
02:17:09.750 --> 02:17:12.260
that have the insulator
touching, you know,
02:17:12.260 --> 02:17:14.130
about the insulator you...
02:17:15.290 --> 02:17:18.050
What type of damage or other
02:17:18.050 --> 02:17:21.460
obvious damage put a
post or just some poles,
02:17:21.460 --> 02:17:26.360
15 off couple stage or
other identifiers as far as...
02:17:26.360 --> 02:17:29.240
Hey Chris, can I interrupt
you with a quick question?
02:17:29.240 --> 02:17:30.073
Oh, please.
02:17:30.073 --> 02:17:31.810
What are the
qualifications of the people
02:17:31.810 --> 02:17:33.490
that are out there
doing the inspections?
02:17:33.490 --> 02:17:35.070
Who are they?
02:17:35.070 --> 02:17:36.933
Oh, I'm sorry, I should
have started with that.
02:17:36.933 --> 02:17:40.140
That is my compliance team.
02:17:40.140 --> 02:17:44.410
It's a mix of utility engineers
02:17:44.410 --> 02:17:48.550
and others provided
wage sectors submitted.
02:17:48.550 --> 02:17:51.710
Basically, these are the classification
02:17:51.710 --> 02:17:55.510
of utility engineers, seniors engineer,
02:17:55.510 --> 02:17:58.410
primarily on bringing
on more environmental,
02:17:58.410 --> 02:18:02.900
like at the vegetation management
forestry experience where
02:18:02.900 --> 02:18:06.210
we're bringing out on some already.
02:18:06.210 --> 02:18:11.210
So, what we tend to do is use
photograph and communications,
02:18:11.800 --> 02:18:14.140
so, that if one of my effectors
02:18:14.140 --> 02:18:17.290
who my seniors utility engineer with
02:18:17.290 --> 02:18:20.900
years of experience on
looking at infrastructure,
02:18:20.900 --> 02:18:24.690
is an issue that is a big issue related
02:18:24.690 --> 02:18:27.400
to other team members
that they can call,
02:18:27.400 --> 02:18:30.390
share pictures and
give them information on
02:18:31.820 --> 02:18:34.473
the enhance efficient management side.
02:18:36.400 --> 02:18:38.020
So, but that's...
02:18:38.020 --> 02:18:39.170
Those are the things we have now.
02:18:39.170 --> 02:18:41.630
These are the people that
are on the compliance piece,
02:18:41.630 --> 02:18:43.120
doing audits.
02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:47.000
We also, have brought on the...
02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:50.380
What we're calling the
appliances sprint contractor which
02:18:50.380 --> 02:18:54.060
in the regulation was the
independent evaluator that,
02:18:54.060 --> 02:18:56.670
the welfare state division
was allowed to hire
02:18:56.670 --> 02:18:58.403
to help us put the inspection.
02:19:00.090 --> 02:19:05.090
And, that team is a mix
of engineers, wise men,
02:19:06.980 --> 02:19:10.010
and vegetation specialists
02:19:10.010 --> 02:19:13.760
who can argument the
expertise on my team
02:19:13.760 --> 02:19:15.140
to do special inspections.
02:19:15.140 --> 02:19:18.340
Also, they have some equipment relied on
02:19:18.340 --> 02:19:21.260
and other drone technology
02:19:21.260 --> 02:19:22.287
available that they can use,
02:19:22.287 --> 02:19:25.033
'cause we don't have
access to it in my team.
02:19:26.570 --> 02:19:28.383
Does that answer your question?
02:19:29.980 --> 02:19:31.080
Thank you very much.
02:19:32.543 --> 02:19:34.350
And so, we just started doing
02:19:35.240 --> 02:19:39.030
work in Edison and it's CBD overlap.
02:19:39.030 --> 02:19:39.940
So, we're...
02:19:39.940 --> 02:19:43.400
We're standing out because
in our time focused on
02:19:48.332 --> 02:19:52.370
and first up that we'll be
able to be closer to the work,
02:19:58.180 --> 02:20:02.307
charged for it so that
we can have sort of more
02:20:03.880 --> 02:20:06.210
inspection time versus
windshield time on that.
02:20:06.210 --> 02:20:09.730
So, what we did in that initial work,
02:20:09.730 --> 02:20:12.750
we have already had
some lessons learned,
02:20:12.750 --> 02:20:15.940
which we've been working
with utilities and it turn way on.
02:20:15.940 --> 02:20:18.286
And it really comes
down to a lot of things
02:20:18.286 --> 02:20:21.150
that Melissa and her team
already have been addressing,
02:20:21.150 --> 02:20:24.240
which is the need for the information
02:20:24.240 --> 02:20:26.140
from the electrical corporations,
02:20:26.140 --> 02:20:28.990
not just with each other, but
you're system with the data
02:20:30.033 --> 02:20:32.357
just in collecting that wise
by the agencies and the plans.
02:20:32.357 --> 02:20:35.090
And so, it's something as simple as
02:20:35.090 --> 02:20:39.400
if we send them a spreadsheet out,
02:20:39.400 --> 02:20:42.530
and they send up a completely
different spreadsheet back.
02:20:42.530 --> 02:20:44.210
That is a huge thing for time,
02:20:44.210 --> 02:20:46.340
but also make it very difficult
02:20:46.340 --> 02:20:50.793
to match up our patients
with what's been done.
02:20:52.060 --> 02:20:53.400
Other things are,
02:20:53.400 --> 02:20:57.100
one utility, you handed
us a list of current project
02:20:57.100 --> 02:20:59.410
that was around 3 to 400,
02:20:59.410 --> 02:21:03.923
another one that was 10,773, I think.
02:21:05.280 --> 02:21:08.320
so, you know, working
on getting that information.
02:21:08.320 --> 02:21:09.770
So, it's in a usable format
02:21:11.030 --> 02:21:12.627
and being careful we
don't get what we asked for
02:21:12.627 --> 02:21:14.350
and not what we need.
02:21:14.350 --> 02:21:17.040
So, we worked on those things right now
02:21:19.489 --> 02:21:21.940
and really just making
sure that the information
02:21:21.940 --> 02:21:23.530
is complete and accurate.
02:21:23.530 --> 02:21:26.280
We're running into some
issues where the facilities are
02:21:27.270 --> 02:21:30.250
doing work is basically
manifestation management
02:21:30.250 --> 02:21:31.380
that they're calling,
02:21:34.010 --> 02:21:36.440
reliability or they're linking it to
02:21:38.480 --> 02:21:40.093
other types of work,
02:21:41.220 --> 02:21:42.370
even when it has not been reported.
02:21:42.370 --> 02:21:44.270
And so, we're...
02:21:44.270 --> 02:21:45.823
We have to contact
them and they're saying,
02:21:45.823 --> 02:21:48.760
that they need to buy
this, all of their projects,
02:21:48.760 --> 02:21:50.047
that are going to be doing this work,
02:21:50.047 --> 02:21:52.800
if the public may believe are
02:21:52.800 --> 02:21:56.707
wildfire related to that,
we will start right there.
02:21:56.707 --> 02:21:59.740
In the sort of the last
thing and the last word
02:21:59.740 --> 02:22:03.965
was we need to focus
as John was talking about.
02:22:03.965 --> 02:22:08.030
He's really focused on
outcomes and risk reduction
02:22:08.030 --> 02:22:11.340
in a voice with a biopic focus
on percentages complete
02:22:11.340 --> 02:22:14.690
circuit miles of pardon.
02:22:14.690 --> 02:22:19.453
Conductor or freeze reboots,
because we have to question,
02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:23.313
if you take out a 10,000 trees,
02:22:24.720 --> 02:22:27.570
whether the right things
or if you're classifying
02:22:29.840 --> 02:22:32.390
all the streets is
hazardous is we're seeing,
02:22:32.390 --> 02:22:35.280
we're not seeing patterns
as far as the eucalyptus
02:22:36.320 --> 02:22:38.230
or other trees tend to be
02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:42.520
either earned very well, very easily
02:22:43.690 --> 02:22:46.990
for our very detectable
failure during windstorm
02:22:46.990 --> 02:22:49.820
or on leaning or next to a line.
02:22:49.820 --> 02:22:54.220
Or if we say you need to do 10,000 trees
02:22:54.220 --> 02:22:56.440
they will take down 10,000 trees
02:22:56.440 --> 02:22:59.320
and beat that metric,
02:22:59.320 --> 02:23:01.490
but not actually move the risk down
02:23:03.800 --> 02:23:06.390
in, you know, the same fashion.
02:23:06.390 --> 02:23:09.913
So, we're working on making
sure that we're focused on that.
02:23:11.770 --> 02:23:12.910
The same thing as you know,
02:23:12.910 --> 02:23:15.683
is it right mitigation method
for those working miles?
02:23:15.683 --> 02:23:20.490
If a risk exists, you
know, it did you,
02:23:20.490 --> 02:23:24.310
you know, take up tree
and as the board price out,
02:23:24.310 --> 02:23:27.380
you can do enhance
substation management,
02:23:27.380 --> 02:23:30.750
get rid of all of the ladder
fuel, get rid of the trees,
02:23:30.750 --> 02:23:32.683
you know, in 25 with area,
02:23:32.683 --> 02:23:34.840
but we have a lot of grass down there.
02:23:34.840 --> 02:23:38.230
You can have the issue where
it can burn hundreds of feet
02:23:38.230 --> 02:23:40.050
across my grassland
02:23:40.050 --> 02:23:42.990
and then set that ladder small trees
02:23:42.990 --> 02:23:45.840
and impact people and houses.
02:23:45.840 --> 02:23:46.990
So that's the...
02:23:48.473 --> 02:23:53.473
That is, you know,
pretty, pretty wild partying.
02:23:55.120 --> 02:23:57.510
I bet I did answer that
substation management
02:23:57.510 --> 02:24:01.060
is something like we're
seeing in some of the dump out
02:24:01.060 --> 02:24:06.060
where they're not just
replacing the poles and raising it,
02:24:06.570 --> 02:24:07.940
but they're increasing the
02:24:09.750 --> 02:24:13.260
phase round and face to face separation.
02:24:13.260 --> 02:24:17.670
So, it's basically they can
have a lot more wins because,
02:24:17.670 --> 02:24:20.230
now the stores are much farther apart
02:24:21.080 --> 02:24:22.610
sort of longer,
02:24:22.610 --> 02:24:25.150
longer odds and also the higher up,
02:24:25.150 --> 02:24:27.730
you have them for distance
from the ground as well
02:24:27.730 --> 02:24:29.010
to avoid other issues.
02:24:29.010 --> 02:24:30.800
So, that's one of the
things we have to realize
02:24:30.800 --> 02:24:32.340
that half of work at
02:24:33.580 --> 02:24:34.413
what is the best thing?
02:24:34.413 --> 02:24:37.703
And to continue to really work with,
02:24:38.541 --> 02:24:40.820
you know, other experts in the field on,
02:24:40.820 --> 02:24:44.546
you know, is the work that's
being done the best way
02:24:44.546 --> 02:24:45.379
to do it.
02:24:45.379 --> 02:24:46.467
So, any questions about that?
02:24:50.360 --> 02:24:52.396
Leave any questions
from the board
02:24:52.396 --> 02:24:54.350
on any portion of...
02:24:55.240 --> 02:24:56.313
Mader John, go ahead.
02:24:57.280 --> 02:24:58.700
I just want to
reiterate Christopher
02:24:58.700 --> 02:25:01.610
that a lot of these issues
that you've identified,
02:25:01.610 --> 02:25:02.900
we've also identified.
02:25:02.900 --> 02:25:05.420
So, we loved that cause
you didn't have dialogue
02:25:05.420 --> 02:25:07.243
about how to solution for resources.
02:25:09.210 --> 02:25:10.929
Yeah, I just did
200 agreed with us,
02:25:10.929 --> 02:25:12.607
it was just really smart (laughing).
02:25:14.660 --> 02:25:15.493
There you go.
02:25:19.030 --> 02:25:21.180
It's actually really
good to see you guys
02:25:22.380 --> 02:25:25.500
identifying a of the issues
that we are concerned about.
02:25:25.500 --> 02:25:29.270
So, you had some really good
ideas on solutions for them,
02:25:29.270 --> 02:25:30.633
so, that's appreciated.
02:25:32.230 --> 02:25:35.110
So, the last couple things,
02:25:35.110 --> 02:25:36.543
Oh, you have more questions?
02:25:37.880 --> 02:25:38.793
No fine.
02:25:39.760 --> 02:25:40.593
Okay.
02:25:40.593 --> 02:25:42.170
The last few things Christopher
02:25:42.170 --> 02:25:45.020
we're continuing to work
on audit compliance plan
02:25:45.020 --> 02:25:48.320
and GIS capabilities to basically,
02:25:48.320 --> 02:25:51.830
link all of the WMP
initiatives to actions
02:25:51.830 --> 02:25:53.080
with the compliance plan.
02:25:54.172 --> 02:25:55.210
And so, basically,
02:25:55.210 --> 02:25:58.710
if they say they're
gonna go to do an activity,
02:25:58.710 --> 02:25:59.543
we have
02:26:00.400 --> 02:26:04.313
develop our points to
track that monitoring for
02:26:06.798 --> 02:26:11.280
completeness and quality
of the work that's being done
02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:14.750
and really it needed to separate the
02:26:14.750 --> 02:26:17.420
actual compliance information from
02:26:17.420 --> 02:26:18.940
a lot of the information
that's collected
02:26:18.940 --> 02:26:21.670
for future analysis
and trend identification.
02:26:21.670 --> 02:26:25.810
A lot of that is very
good for doing analysis,
02:26:25.810 --> 02:26:30.150
doing the study, but it's
not something I can action
02:26:30.150 --> 02:26:30.983
easily or so.
02:26:32.239 --> 02:26:34.800
We're looking at a
lot of the information,
02:26:34.800 --> 02:26:38.690
how much of it is informational
and how much is actionable?
02:26:38.690 --> 02:26:39.720
We're working on that right now.
02:26:39.720 --> 02:26:43.560
And, I think I already
spoke to the fact that we...
02:26:43.560 --> 02:26:45.480
We finalized our
02:26:45.480 --> 02:26:48.030
compliance contractor
and they're doing...
02:26:48.030 --> 02:26:51.074
They're helping us
with the field inspection
02:26:51.074 --> 02:26:53.800
in Southern part of the state right now.
02:26:53.800 --> 02:26:57.820
And if they're focused more
to risk assessment tasks
02:26:57.820 --> 02:27:00.840
and those risk assessment
tasks, they're gonna do,
02:27:00.840 --> 02:27:02.910
are going to help us
02:27:02.910 --> 02:27:06.317
better dispatch our
inspectors going forward.
02:27:06.317 --> 02:27:08.060
So, we can really focus on
02:27:09.000 --> 02:27:10.900
risk areas that may not be exactly
02:27:10.900 --> 02:27:13.130
where the utilities are working,
02:27:13.130 --> 02:27:16.720
but where we think we need
to get more on the ground
02:27:16.720 --> 02:27:20.560
and actually see the whole
condition and areas that
02:27:20.560 --> 02:27:22.832
utilities may not have identified.
02:27:22.832 --> 02:27:26.570
And, the very last thing I'll say is,
02:27:26.570 --> 02:27:27.770
we are also...
02:27:27.770 --> 02:27:31.520
We put together a
complaint process to work
02:27:31.520 --> 02:27:34.490
coordinating with other
divisions within the CPUC
02:27:34.490 --> 02:27:35.490
to make sure that if
02:27:37.510 --> 02:27:39.910
customers are windy
02:27:41.400 --> 02:27:44.550
issues with ball park
patient plan activities
02:27:44.550 --> 02:27:47.673
or there's identifying wildfire risk,
02:27:49.030 --> 02:27:54.030
they put that into the
planning process at the CPUC.
02:27:55.843 --> 02:27:58.680
And my staff has eyes
on those complaints
02:27:58.680 --> 02:28:01.120
so, that we can follow up on them.
02:28:01.120 --> 02:28:03.163
So, that's what I have for now.
02:28:04.147 --> 02:28:07.570
One more question
if you would permit.
02:28:07.570 --> 02:28:09.170
Given your current resources,
02:28:09.170 --> 02:28:12.105
if you were to only
approach what you believe
02:28:12.105 --> 02:28:15.430
at the higher priority inspection areas,
02:28:15.430 --> 02:28:19.430
is that one year, two
years, 20 year process,
02:28:19.430 --> 02:28:20.330
what do you think?
02:28:23.953 --> 02:28:26.193
That is a really good question,
02:28:30.710 --> 02:28:32.100
fully staffed up,
02:28:32.100 --> 02:28:36.800
I would have, you know,
eight people go into the field,
02:28:36.800 --> 02:28:37.860
of course, none of the time,
02:28:37.860 --> 02:28:39.740
'cause there's a lot
of other auditing work
02:28:39.740 --> 02:28:41.190
that they have to do as well.
02:28:42.840 --> 02:28:45.570
But if I could get them out in the field
02:28:47.300 --> 02:28:49.943
and still see through other tasks,
02:28:51.471 --> 02:28:53.173
the problem is...
02:28:53.173 --> 02:28:55.803
Is almost like the Golden Gate Bridge.
02:28:55.803 --> 02:29:00.190
By the time I get
to the ends of those
02:29:00.190 --> 02:29:03.923
high areas, which might
take me 3 years of work,
02:29:05.630 --> 02:29:09.530
the condition on that first area
02:29:09.530 --> 02:29:12.750
may have changed significantly.
02:29:12.750 --> 02:29:17.003
So, there were some aspect
where once you take a look at it,
02:29:19.010 --> 02:29:20.900
it's probably good for a while.
02:29:20.900 --> 02:29:22.930
You know, age edition,
02:29:22.930 --> 02:29:26.060
general stuff of some
of the infrastructure,
02:29:26.060 --> 02:29:31.060
the vegetation could change
rapidly, but also you could have
02:29:33.640 --> 02:29:35.770
another offense that somehow damages
02:29:35.770 --> 02:29:38.310
or causes of risk to the call
02:29:38.310 --> 02:29:40.940
that could happen a
week after you look at it.
02:29:40.940 --> 02:29:45.940
So, I would hate to say that
after a certain amount of time,
02:29:46.740 --> 02:29:49.560
we would have had expected
everything and we're...
02:29:49.560 --> 02:29:51.230
We can just sit back and say,
02:29:51.230 --> 02:29:53.603
we have a completely safe system.
02:29:54.510 --> 02:29:56.970
Ultimately the owners is on
02:29:56.970 --> 02:30:01.940
utilities to do that continuous
action and monitoring.
02:30:01.940 --> 02:30:02.773
So,
02:30:05.037 --> 02:30:07.473
I'm thinking that after we'd
been out for a couple of years,
02:30:07.473 --> 02:30:11.093
and utility is precise,
working over their shoulder,
02:30:12.280 --> 02:30:14.320
I'm hoping that we get to a point where
02:30:14.320 --> 02:30:18.013
we're finding much
fewer defects per month.
02:30:19.879 --> 02:30:21.900
I would just make it up a number,
02:30:21.900 --> 02:30:24.499
if I told you that I
instilled in a month
02:30:24.499 --> 02:30:28.263
I would check all the high area.
02:30:29.570 --> 02:30:30.720
Alright, that's fair.
02:30:32.190 --> 02:30:34.680
That's fair, I wanna make sure
that any of the board members
02:30:34.680 --> 02:30:38.100
who have follow up
questions or commentary
02:30:38.100 --> 02:30:39.283
have an opportunity.
02:30:41.950 --> 02:30:43.393
Yes, Board Member Block.
02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:47.950
Hi Christopher, thank
you for your presentation.
02:30:47.950 --> 02:30:50.330
And I'm excited to hear
about your proactive,
02:30:50.330 --> 02:30:51.580
thinking about all this,
02:30:51.580 --> 02:30:55.430
and I hear ramping
up your GIS disabilities.
02:30:55.430 --> 02:30:59.690
Are you interested in what
I have for collaboration,
02:30:59.690 --> 02:31:00.983
could I help in some way?
02:31:03.130 --> 02:31:03.963
Yeah,
02:31:04.906 --> 02:31:08.360
we're working with,
02:31:08.360 --> 02:31:11.910
you know, as receiving,
you know, contractors with
02:31:13.520 --> 02:31:16.343
just an oprah on fire, it's
been wonderful as well,
02:31:17.730 --> 02:31:18.563
you know,
02:31:20.170 --> 02:31:25.170
in other brand we have a GIF specialist
02:31:25.270 --> 02:31:27.200
who has been helping us build up our...
02:31:27.200 --> 02:31:28.550
Our dashboard information.
02:31:28.550 --> 02:31:31.580
But yes, there's an active team
02:31:31.580 --> 02:31:36.360
this being run out of
Alyssa's branch on the data
02:31:37.534 --> 02:31:39.703
and out there supporting my team.
02:31:41.250 --> 02:31:43.313
It will be great to have a chat on that.
02:31:44.280 --> 02:31:45.113
Okay, great.
02:31:45.113 --> 02:31:48.010
I'd love to be involved
with support that data effort
02:31:48.010 --> 02:31:50.162
with you and Melissa and Caroline.
02:31:50.162 --> 02:31:51.173
Thank you.
02:31:52.746 --> 02:31:53.630
Alright, excellent.
02:31:53.630 --> 02:31:56.203
Any other inquiries
comment by the board?
02:31:57.120 --> 02:32:00.650
I'd like to thank Mr Meyer
for a detailed presentation.
02:32:00.650 --> 02:32:02.570
Very appreciated, it provides great...
02:32:02.570 --> 02:32:04.440
Oh, I'm sorry, John, did
you wanna say something?
02:32:04.440 --> 02:32:05.273
We're done.
02:32:08.559 --> 02:32:09.660
No, I was just signifying.
02:32:09.660 --> 02:32:11.663
Thank you for enjoying me.
02:32:12.570 --> 02:32:13.403
Excellent.
02:32:14.410 --> 02:32:15.243
Thank you very much.
02:32:15.243 --> 02:32:16.350
Thank you.
02:32:16.350 --> 02:32:18.593
Mr Meyer we appreciate
your participation.
02:32:19.479 --> 02:32:20.323
Alright.
02:32:22.260 --> 02:32:23.413
Let's see,
02:32:24.845 --> 02:32:27.010
our closing thoughts.
02:32:27.010 --> 02:32:30.333
I'm supposed to wait 30
seconds for another darn slide.
02:32:32.430 --> 02:32:34.580
Well, I'll get him out
of this slide, okay?
02:32:35.625 --> 02:32:40.187
I was waiting 30 seconds
per slide that said adjourn.
02:32:40.187 --> 02:32:41.770
Thank you for this.
02:32:43.070 --> 02:32:46.470
Alright, our summer and
fall board meeting scheduled
02:32:46.470 --> 02:32:51.240
be posted on the WCD
website as soon as we finalize,
02:32:51.240 --> 02:32:52.910
just so that people are aware
02:32:52.910 --> 02:32:54.580
we're going to be having meetings
02:32:54.580 --> 02:32:57.820
with a larger group of
publicly owned utilities,
02:32:57.820 --> 02:33:00.920
as well as community aggregators.
02:33:00.920 --> 02:33:02.640
You know, they have,
02:33:02.640 --> 02:33:04.600
you know, they have
a boat in this race too,
02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:06.970
and they wanna understand
02:33:06.970 --> 02:33:09.860
what issues are being
undertaken with respect
02:33:09.860 --> 02:33:12.800
to minimize the impacts
on their customer.
02:33:12.800 --> 02:33:14.000
So, we're gonna be hit...
02:33:14.000 --> 02:33:15.643
We're gonna be doing that.
02:33:16.820 --> 02:33:19.650
Don't hesitate to reach
out, our contact information
02:33:19.650 --> 02:33:22.930
is on the website Safety Advisory Board.
02:33:22.930 --> 02:33:26.580
I would like to do a special
shout out to Robert Sanford
02:33:26.580 --> 02:33:30.840
and Joe Haggis and our
IT team of professionals,
02:33:30.840 --> 02:33:34.250
for allowing it to conduct
this meeting in a way,
02:33:34.250 --> 02:33:36.220
that I thought was wonderful.
02:33:36.220 --> 02:33:37.540
They did a fabulous job.
02:33:37.540 --> 02:33:42.470
You're getting hand applause
by the board, just so you know.
02:33:42.470 --> 02:33:46.403
Alright, I will entertain
a motion to adjourn.
02:33:47.410 --> 02:33:50.757
Yeah, Diane says, "Absolutely,
can I have a second?"
02:33:52.220 --> 02:33:53.880
John Mader second.
02:33:53.880 --> 02:33:55.123
All those in favor.
02:33:56.432 --> 02:33:57.382
Aye.
Good job.
02:33:59.520 --> 02:34:02.160
Fabulous job, I'm
so proud of them.
02:34:02.160 --> 02:34:04.020
Alright, this meeting is adjourned.
02:34:04.020 --> 02:34:05.110
Thank you very much.