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You may begin.
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Thank you, operator.
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Good morning.
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We need to establish a
quorum, so I ask the Agenda Clerk
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to please call the roll.
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Commissioner Shiroma.
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Present.
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Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
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Present.
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Commissioner Randolph.
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Here.
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Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
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Present.
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President Batjer.
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Present.
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Thank you, Janae, a
quorum has been established.
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Welcome to the California
Public Utilities Commission.
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I am calling this meeting
of May 21st, 2020,
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public agenda number 3461, to order.
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Governor Gavin Newsom
issued a stay at home in order
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to protect the health and
well being of all Californians
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and to establish
consistency across the state
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in order to slow the spread of COVID-19.
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As such, we are conducting
today's business meeting online
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and by remote participation.
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This meeting is live streamed
on the CPUC's website.
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You can view the meeting at
www.adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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You can find this on our website.
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Public engagement is absolutely critical
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to the CPUC process.
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As the operator stated,
please dial into 1-800-857-197
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and enter passcode 9899501
and press star one only
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if you wish to make a public comment.
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You will be placed into
a queue and the operator
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will take your name and organization.
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Due to the high volume
of calls that we may have,
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there may be a slight delay
from the time you press star one
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to the time the operator
asks for your information.
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Please be patient and stay on the line.
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You will be called upon to speak
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when you get to the public comment,
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when we get to the public
comment period in today's agenda.
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Email comments that were
sent to the designated email box
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for this morning's meeting and received
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by 10 am this morning will
be read by Public Advisor
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Allison Brown during the
public comment period.
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The email comments received
after 10 am will be distributed
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to all the Commissioners
and senior management,
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so we will have the
opportunity to read them.
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Before we start with the
public comment period,
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I would like to make some
comments about item nine
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on the agenda, which will be held
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to the March 28th Commission meeting.
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The proposed decision in
the investigation I.19-09-016,
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the PG&E bankruptcy proceeding
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was scheduled for a vote today.
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This proceeding was reviewing
PG&E's plan of reorganization
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and related matters under
the requirements of 1054
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and our regulatory authority.
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As the hold list states,
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this matter will now be
taken up on May 28th.
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What the hold list does not state
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is that this proposed
decision is being held
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because a party sent an
ex parte communication
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by email on Tuesday of this week.
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This was a prohibited ex parte
communication under state law
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and the CPUC rules of
practice and procedure.
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In the 2016 ex parte rules reform,
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the California legislature
adopted strict ex parte rules
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to govern our decision making process
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and determined the
Commission should be prohibited
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from voting on an item when an improper
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ex parte communication
occurs during the quiet time
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that leads up to the Commission meeting.
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For I.19-09-016, quiet
time started on May 15th
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when we held our rate
setting deliberative meeting.
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Parties repeatedly were advised of this.
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On April 24th, 2019, my
predecessor made remarks
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on the occasion of a similar hold.
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To quote President Picker,
"Parties should be aware of
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"this rule, and the Commission
may pursue remedial action
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"in the future if it determines
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"that an ex parte communication was sent
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"to intentionally delay a proceeding."
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End of quote.
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For my part, I am not
pleased that an error
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in understanding our
rules or a disregard for them
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will delay the vote on
the proposed decision.
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We will implement this
delay to ensure that we have
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very clearly taken the
procedural steps we need
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to take to ensure we issue
a legally sound decision.
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Specifically, we are holding
this item to give parties
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a reasonable opportunity to respond
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to ex parte communication
as required by law.
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As described in a
ruling issued yesterday,
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parties may respond to
the ex parte communication
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only today, Thursday, May 21, 2020,
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and only after the
close of this meeting,
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and for the avoidance
of doubt, before midnight.
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Let me repeat that: as
described in a ruling yesterday,
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parties may respond to
the ex parte communications
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only today, Thursday, May 21, 2020,
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and only after the
close of this meeting,
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and for that avoidance
of doubt, before midnight.
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All oral and written ex
parte communications
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in this proceeding are prohibited
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beginning on Friday, May 22nd, 2020
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through the close of May
28, 2020 Commission meeting.
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I'm going to repeat that again
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so it's very clear to everyone.
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All oral and written ex
parte communications
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in this proceeding are prohibited
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beginning on Friday, May
22nd, 2020, that's tomorrow,
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through the close of May
28th, 2020 Commission meeting.
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However, we cannot put in.
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However, we cannot be put in
the position of having to delay
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necessary votes when
parties failed to respect
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and observe the quiet time
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that our governing statutes impose.
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Parties can take it from me
that any further communications
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in this proceeding will result
in serious consequences
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up and to including
sanctions for violating rule one.
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Parties need to know that I
cannot, this Commission cannot,
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and we will not
tolerate any further delay
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to this proceeding.
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We will take appropriate
steps to make sure that this item
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is included on the May 28th agenda.
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Okay, thank you.
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We will now turn to the public
comment part of our agenda.
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The Commission provides two minutes,
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two minutes to each speaker.
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You will hear a bell
sound when your time is up.
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To make telephonic public comment,
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you may dial, and repeat this
number again: 800-857-1917
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and enter passcode
9899501 and press star one.
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There may be a slight delay
from the time you press star one
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to the time the operator
asks you for your name.
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CPUC rules do not allow
for parties in proceedings
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to speak about other proceedings,
other open proceedings.
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The public can make
comments addressing items
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on the consent and regular agendas
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and including items
not on the agenda today.
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Please note that there
will not be a public comment
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on any item on the
closed session agenda.
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There are callers on the line
who would like to speak today
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and I want to be able
to get to each person.
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As earlier said, anyone who
wishes to make a public comment
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will have two minutes.
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I would like to urge
everyone to please stay
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within the allotted time of two minutes.
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You will hear a bell
when your time is up.
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Please be mindful of the other
people waiting in the queue
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to provide public comment.
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Your cooperation will help
us ensure that everyone
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gets their turn to share their comments
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with the Commissioners.
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With the guidance in mind, I
will welcome today's speakers
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and now turn over to the operator
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to open the public telephone line.
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Operator?
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Thank you, the
public comment line is now open.
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Our first comment
comes from Peter Wuwode
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with Relaim our Power.
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Your line is open.
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This is Pete Wuwode
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with the Reclaim our Power Campaign.
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Thank you for holding this space.
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We want to urge you Commissioners
that you do have the power
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to reshape the plan of
reorganization for PG&E.
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You have the chance to have
a plan that follows the needs
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of fire survivors, after
a tragically misinformed
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and illegitimate vote,
that follows the needs
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of our communities that need investment
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in clean energy future.
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We are encouraging you to
include the securitization debt
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inside the plan so we're not lied to
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for the billions of dollars that
PG&E would be saddled with
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coming out of bankruptcy
and to force the ratepayers
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and taxpayers to pick it up.
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This Commission has the
power, get independent oversight,
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make PG&E and whatever
utility comes out of this process
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accountable to the
legislature in a public fashion.
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Make sure that our communities,
people with disabilities,
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fire survivors, folks from environmental
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justice communities, folks
working towards the transition
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off of fossil fuels are at
crucial decision making points
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at every point of the process
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when, if and how to do shut offs,
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when, if and how to
shift utilities practices
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towards decentralized energy
systems that we all need.
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Thank you for the time.
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You have the power to do this.
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We're standing up for
you and the Governor
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to stand up for our
public health and safety.
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Our energy system
is a crucial part of that.
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Please, please, make a different choice.
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The current plan of reorganization
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does not stand up for Californians.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Peter.
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Next call, operator.
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Thank you
for your comment, Pete.
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Our next comment is
from Zach Blumenstein
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with UC Berkeley School of Law.
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Your line is open.
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Hi Commissioners.
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I'm really concerned
about this proposed plan.
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You have the power to create
a plan that works for all of us
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and I really hope you exert that power
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by rejecting this plan.
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It leaves Californians
open to further destruction
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through wildfires because of
a lack of adequate oversight
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over PG&E safety measures.
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It leaves California without
control over shut offs,
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which destroy the lives of
vulnerable frontline communities.
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Please, please,
please, reject this plan.
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Allow us to take our
control of our energy
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into our own hands.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Zach.
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Next caller, operator.
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The next
question or comment
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is from Camille Kay
with Heirs to Our Oceans.
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Your line is open.
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Hello, can you hear me?
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Mhm, yes.
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All right.
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I'm calling today to
talk about why we need
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a different PG&E plan.
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Many communities, wildlife and trees
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have been negatively
impacted by wildfires.
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According to a PG&E Corporation CPUC
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climate change
questionnaire 2019 on page 28,
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PG&E faces the risk of
increased wildfire frequency
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and intensity in its service area.
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Wildfires pose a threat to
customers as well as PG&E assets
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such as electric transmission
and distribution lines,
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gas infrastructure and
hydroelectric gasses,
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also creating the need
for emergency response
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from PG&E crew.
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There is an additional risk of
increased customer outages
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and increased risk of
erosion and landslides
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in affected areas,
putting assets at risk.
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Since 2010, the US
Fish and Wildlife Service
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said approximately 129
million trees have died
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in California as air temperatures
rise, forests and land
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are drying out, increasing fire risk
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and creating weather conditions
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that rapidly facilitate
rapid expansion of fires.
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More than half of PG&E's
70,000 square mile service
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is identified as extreme or
elevated fire threat areas,
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according to CPUC's
high fire threat district map.
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All of this information can be viewed
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under the company's
specific description.
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It is vital that impacted communities
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need to be fully compensated
for utility damages
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and guarantee the immediate
payment of claims in cash.
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Former Governor Brown
explained California has entered
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a new abnormal that will
continue in the next 20 years.
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We need new change and a
new plan in order for California
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to rise to our new abnormal.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Camille.
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Operator, our next caller, please.
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Our next
caller is Jed Holtzman
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with 350 Bay Area.
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Your line is open.
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Thank you, Commissioners,
for the opportunity.
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Jed Holtzman, Senior Policy
Analyst with 350 Bay Area,
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a regional climate protection
and clean energy organization.
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I'm actually speaking
about the resource adequacy
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central determinate decision
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expected at your next voting meeting.
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We urge the Commission
to create a better
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alternative decision with a
plan that is more accessible
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and clearly only temporary,
that is clearly focused
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on a narrow procurement
authority so ratepayers
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are not paying more than they should
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for unnecessary
resource allocation energy.
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We are against the proposed
model of giving the two IOUs.
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One's still in a trouble bankruptcy
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you're hearing a lot about today,
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the other having said they
were close to insolvency,
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the role of buying RA
energy that will then be
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reimbursed for by the
other load serving entities.
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First and foremost,
the entities doing this
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should be neutral parties,
and especially not ones
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that are hurting financially.
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This decision seems to signal
a move towards the fall back
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on old habits of
centralized buying of energy,
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and there needs to be
a statement of direction
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that is clear from the
condition that this is not
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the way the state should be going
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and that a neutral party must be found.
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Indeed in the PD, the IOUs themselves
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claim to be uncomfortable with the role
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that you're granting them.
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If you're going to
go in the direction of
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centralized procurement for RA,
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the model should be the
one that buys the least amount
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of RA needed, especially in
the current economic times
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that may be lasting
for a couple of years
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with our recovery from coronavirus.
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We are not clear that
the need for very much RA
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is salient when each IOU
was just contracted for a lot of
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battery storage just announced
in the last couple of days,
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and we're hearing that
Community Choice energy programs
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are purchasing the RA that they need,
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so how much RA is really needed,
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and why was the residual
model countenance
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in the decision not chosen?
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It is not clearly stated why.
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Again, we would like to
see an alternate decision
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with a clear temporary timeline,
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a narrow procurement authority
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and more discussion
of the residual model.
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Thank you so much for your time.
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Thank you, Jed.
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Operator, next caller, please.
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Thank you.
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Our next speaker is be Mikael Shipte
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with Democratic Socialists of America.
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Your line is open.
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Thank you,
Commissioners for hearing from us.
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Over the past few weeks,
you've learned a lot about
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the finances of PG&E and
the dynamics of their plan.
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I think it's become
clear that it's not one
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that works for ratepayers,
the people who have survived
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the recent fires, and it doesn't
work for our communities
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or for our climate.
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You have the power
and responsibility to build
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an energy system that
works for us, to that,
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communities have answers
on how to build that system.
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Over time, PG&E has shown,
in San Bruno and Paradise,
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that safety is the
least of their concerns,
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and will put profit over safety.
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Please reject any plan
which keeps in place
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a for profit utility, because
until the profit motive
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is removed, the energy grid will remain
00:18:20.888 --> 00:18:25.518
unsafe for communities,
and the underlying motivation
00:18:25.518 --> 00:18:30.518
that calls the past misconduct
will remain the same.
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Furthermore, this plan,
you should reject it,
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unless it includes the following.
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Californians really need a
transformational energy system
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to a clean and a
decentralized energy model.
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For profit utilities will
simply not be able to
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prioritize clean energy for profit
00:18:56.534 --> 00:18:58.070
or become decentralized.
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On the other hand,
public utilities can and must
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prioritize clean energy, which
will help protect the planet
00:19:06.478 --> 00:19:11.478
and ensure that there is a
decentralized power system
00:19:13.196 --> 00:19:15.552
that can prevent power
from being transported
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hundreds of miles on power lines,
00:19:17.827 --> 00:19:22.827
causing risks, fire
and financial crisis.
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Any deal launched from
the profit centered power grid
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must be rejected.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Operator, the next caller, please.
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Thank you.
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Our next speaker is Jessica Tovar
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with the East Bay Clean Power Alliance.
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Your line is open.
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Hi, everyone,
Jessica Tovar here.
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I really wanted to urge
the Commissioners to really
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take seriously this issue around PG&E,
00:19:58.892 --> 00:20:02.557
both for the survivors of the wildfires,
00:20:02.557 --> 00:20:06.739
as well as the rest of the
residents of the Bay Area.
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We are in a global
pandemic, a serious crisis.
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We're about to compound that crisis,
00:20:15.065 --> 00:20:18.896
as the wildfire season
is just around the corner.
00:20:18.896 --> 00:20:23.896
We don't have access already
to the N95s that are needed
00:20:24.090 --> 00:20:28.260
in order to be able to breathe,
00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:33.220
and I'm very concerned
about particularly people
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who will have to be evacuated
and evade those wildfires,
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and also, you know, our community
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surrounding the greater Bay Area
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that will be inundated
with smoke as well.
00:20:46.730 --> 00:20:49.990
We really need to take
the situation very seriously.
00:20:49.990 --> 00:20:52.970
Our lives, right now, are in your hands.
00:20:52.970 --> 00:20:57.718
We cannot cut a deal that
favors PG&E to continue
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acting the same way, grossly
negligent to those communities
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that we're literally taking our money
00:21:06.372 --> 00:21:09.016
to this corporation, right?
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This is a corporation that has
no sympathy for poor people
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who cannot, who are
struggling to pay their bills.
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We need to stop incentivizing them
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to continue to be hurtful.
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They're literally killing people,
00:21:25.750 --> 00:21:28.632
and we really need
you to do the best thing
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to represent the survivors
and represent the communities
00:21:32.781 --> 00:21:36.430
that are part of PG&E territory.
00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:40.220
All of us, including
Community Choice customers.
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We are inundated with
smoke out here in the Bay Area,
00:21:44.390 --> 00:21:46.070
and that is about to get worse.
00:21:46.070 --> 00:21:48.501
What does that look
like during shelter in place
00:21:48.501 --> 00:21:51.316
in the midst of a global pandemic?
00:21:51.316 --> 00:21:54.680
We need to take this seriously.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Jessica.
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Operator, next caller, please.
00:22:01.390 --> 00:22:02.610
Thank you.
00:22:02.610 --> 00:22:05.890
Our next speaker is Nishikant Shorey
00:22:05.890 --> 00:22:10.740
with Reclaim our Power and
Democratic Socialists of America.
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Your line is open.
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Thank you
Commissioners, good morning.
00:22:14.604 --> 00:22:18.510
My name is Nishikant
Shorey with Reclaim our Power
00:22:18.510 --> 00:22:20.734
Utility Justice Campaign and DSA.
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I'm calling in to urge
you to reject the plan
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of reorganization that
PG&E has put forward.
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We're in a time of crisis
between a pandemic,
00:22:30.331 --> 00:22:34.509
economic troubles and the
looming specter of climate crisis.
00:22:34.509 --> 00:22:37.593
Californians need relief,
they need no more burden,
00:22:37.593 --> 00:22:39.829
and in many ways,
the state of California
00:22:39.829 --> 00:22:42.716
has recognized this
and has taken strides
00:22:42.716 --> 00:22:46.910
to keep Californians safe
during this time of crisis.
00:22:46.910 --> 00:22:50.770
However, approval of this
plan is not in line with our goal.
00:22:50.770 --> 00:22:53.183
It will only further
burden Californians.
00:22:54.702 --> 00:22:57.810
This plan must be rejected, and instead,
00:22:57.810 --> 00:23:00.830
we need something that
truly serves Californians,
00:23:00.830 --> 00:23:03.506
particularly workers and
frontline communities.
00:23:03.506 --> 00:23:05.550
There's a lot that needs to happen,
00:23:05.550 --> 00:23:08.461
but I would say in the
immediate short term,
00:23:08.461 --> 00:23:11.820
Californians need to be protected,
00:23:11.820 --> 00:23:14.670
ratepayers need to be
protected and not be forced to pay
00:23:14.670 --> 00:23:18.553
for the failures of PG&E
and its homicidal negligence.
00:23:18.553 --> 00:23:20.870
Beyond that, impacted communities,
00:23:20.870 --> 00:23:23.687
including wildfire survivors,
need to be fully compensated
00:23:23.687 --> 00:23:25.521
for utility damages.
00:23:25.521 --> 00:23:28.810
This plan should guarantee
immediate payment of claims
00:23:28.810 --> 00:23:31.810
in cash, not in volatile PG&E stock,
00:23:31.810 --> 00:23:34.110
which is tied up in a trust
that claimants themselves
00:23:34.110 --> 00:23:39.110
cannot even control, and
that's just to provide relief
00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:40.560
in the short term.
00:23:40.560 --> 00:23:43.007
In the long term, we need a
fundamentally different system
00:23:43.007 --> 00:23:45.459
that does not rest on the profit motive.
00:23:45.459 --> 00:23:48.180
We will be pushing for a
system that is accountable
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:50.790
to Californians, ratepayers,
frontline communities
00:23:50.790 --> 00:23:53.810
and workers that is only
in the interest of serving
00:23:53.810 --> 00:23:57.215
their needs in a way that
is safe, that is affordable
00:23:57.215 --> 00:24:00.530
and that is able to
stand up to the impacts
00:24:00.530 --> 00:24:02.610
of the climate crisis,
which we need to pay
00:24:02.610 --> 00:24:04.623
a special attention
to as wildfire season
00:24:04.623 --> 00:24:07.056
is once again right around the corner.
00:24:07.056 --> 00:24:09.757
I urge you again,
please reject this plan
00:24:09.757 --> 00:24:13.000
and work with us to build a
better California energy system
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.290
that we can all believe
in and keeps us all safe.
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Thank you for your time.
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Thank you, Nishikant.
00:24:19.368 --> 00:24:21.363
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:26.420
Thank you.
00:24:26.420 --> 00:24:29.215
Our next speaker is Nick Lyle with,
00:24:29.215 --> 00:24:31.550
he's a local Oakland resident.
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Your line is open.
00:24:34.044 --> 00:24:36.600
Hello, thank you Commissions
00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:39.091
for the opportunity to
speak at this hearing.
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Based on the proposed
reorganization plan,
00:24:41.510 --> 00:24:43.670
I would like to express my concern
00:24:43.670 --> 00:24:45.473
for the ratepayers of California,
00:24:45.473 --> 00:24:48.970
as well as the residents
threatened by wildfires.
00:24:48.970 --> 00:24:51.282
As many other others have already noted,
00:24:51.282 --> 00:24:54.850
this plan doesn't do
nearly enough to address
00:24:54.850 --> 00:24:57.124
the serious criminal
behavior of this company.
00:24:57.124 --> 00:25:00.280
PG&E has proven time
and again that its interest
00:25:00.280 --> 00:25:02.128
in providing profits of the shareholders
00:25:02.128 --> 00:25:04.920
are fundamentally
incompatible with low rates,
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.223
public safety and a decarbonized
energy generation system.
00:25:08.223 --> 00:25:13.223
In the end, when PG&E fails again
00:25:13.360 --> 00:25:16.320
under the liability of the
next inevitable next wildfire
00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:18.661
because there has
been very little changes
00:25:18.661 --> 00:25:21.659
for which the established taxpayer fund
00:25:21.659 --> 00:25:23.670
is entirely inadequate.
00:25:23.670 --> 00:25:26.550
It will be taxpayers on the hook again
00:25:26.550 --> 00:25:28.530
and California's
residents who pay the price
00:25:28.530 --> 00:25:30.180
with their homes and their lives.
00:25:31.135 --> 00:25:33.834
We do not have to wait
for this horrible future.
00:25:33.834 --> 00:25:37.570
The CPUC has the power to
reject this reshuffling of chairs
00:25:37.570 --> 00:25:39.240
on the deck of the Titanic,
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.590
and in the interest of
everyone in PG&E territory,
00:25:41.590 --> 00:25:43.230
I ask that you reject any plan
00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:44.700
that will not bury these lines,
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:46.370
that will not commit to decarbonizing
00:25:46.370 --> 00:25:48.280
and decentralizing generation
00:25:48.280 --> 00:25:50.887
and that does not remove
the broken shareholder model.
00:25:50.887 --> 00:25:52.273
Thank you for your time.
00:25:53.872 --> 00:25:54.941
Thank you.
00:25:54.941 --> 00:25:57.393
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:25:59.690 --> 00:26:02.608
Our next
caller is Samuel Sextaller
00:26:02.608 --> 00:26:05.015
with Youth Versus Apocalypse.
00:26:05.015 --> 00:26:07.022
Your line is open.
00:26:07.022 --> 00:26:09.499
Hi, I'm Sam Sextaller.
00:26:09.499 --> 00:26:13.010
I'm a high school student
with Youth Versus Apocalypse,
00:26:13.010 --> 00:26:16.128
which is a youth climate
justice group in the Bay Area.
00:26:16.128 --> 00:26:21.128
I want to speak on agenda
item nine and ask that you reject
00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:24.459
the PG&E reorganization plan
00:26:24.459 --> 00:26:26.489
unless it includes the following.
00:26:26.489 --> 00:26:29.720
Ratepayers needed to be
protected and not forced to pay
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:31.490
for the failures of PG&E.
00:26:31.490 --> 00:26:34.180
Any plan should be amended to ensure
00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:36.140
true ratepayer neutrality.
00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:38.750
No additional charges should
be added to ratepayer bills
00:26:38.750 --> 00:26:41.810
for repayment of bonds,
as was done in the PG&E's
00:26:41.810 --> 00:26:44.376
previous Chapter 11
bankruptcy settlement.
00:26:44.376 --> 00:26:47.780
If ratepayers are forced to
pay for PG&E's bankruptcy debt,
00:26:47.780 --> 00:26:50.556
then ratepayers should be
given a share of ownership
00:26:50.556 --> 00:26:54.862
of the company to make
decisions about its finances.
00:26:54.862 --> 00:26:57.820
Also, customers need
rigorous independent
00:26:57.820 --> 00:27:00.420
and democratic
oversight of their utility.
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:02.073
Any plan should immediately provide
00:27:02.073 --> 00:27:05.433
for an independent
monitor with full access
00:27:05.433 --> 00:27:08.532
to PG&E operations to ensure compliance
00:27:08.532 --> 00:27:10.820
with all terms of the plan.
00:27:10.820 --> 00:27:12.560
The monitor should be selected by
00:27:12.560 --> 00:27:14.590
and report to the legislature.
00:27:14.590 --> 00:27:18.380
Californians often need a
transformational energy system
00:27:18.380 --> 00:27:21.315
based on a clean,
decentralized energy model.
00:27:21.315 --> 00:27:24.100
PG&E has failed to operate safely
00:27:24.100 --> 00:27:27.300
to address public safety
and climate change.
00:27:27.300 --> 00:27:29.828
The CPUC plan could include a mechanism
00:27:29.828 --> 00:27:32.370
for a transition of ownership to a model
00:27:32.370 --> 00:27:34.540
accountable to ratepayers and workers.
00:27:34.540 --> 00:27:37.460
If PG&E fails to successfully
emerge from bankruptcy,
00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:40.730
this transition should be
swift, transparent, equitable
00:27:40.730 --> 00:27:43.738
and not be subject to
PG&E's attempts to delay.
00:27:43.738 --> 00:27:46.400
Any plan should authorize the CPUC's
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:48.820
Disadvantaged Community
Advisory Committee
00:27:48.820 --> 00:27:52.310
to lay the groundwork for
a utility to replace PG&E.
00:27:52.310 --> 00:27:55.040
Any plan should restructure PG&E's board
00:27:55.040 --> 00:27:57.930
to shed Wall Street predators
and include members,
00:27:57.930 --> 00:28:00.003
representatives of diverse sectors,
00:28:00.003 --> 00:28:03.617
including disadvantaged
communities and California workers.
00:28:03.617 --> 00:28:08.617
I also ask that compensation
to people from wildfires
00:28:08.750 --> 00:28:10.598
should not be in PG&E stock,
00:28:10.598 --> 00:28:12.593
because that relies on the market,
00:28:12.593 --> 00:28:17.593
which is liable to fail
because of climate disasters.
00:28:18.688 --> 00:28:22.330
Echoing the demands of the
Reclaim Our Power Campaign,
00:28:22.330 --> 00:28:27.330
any PG&E deal needs to
put the needs of fire survivors
00:28:27.330 --> 00:28:29.380
and the public first
or it must be rejected.
00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:30.213
Thank you.
00:28:53.146 --> 00:28:54.650
President Batjer,
we can't hear you.
00:28:54.650 --> 00:28:56.660
I think you may be on mute.
00:29:02.087 --> 00:29:04.004
Still can't hear you.
00:29:13.190 --> 00:29:15.054
Commissioners,
this is Michelle Cook.
00:29:15.054 --> 00:29:19.365
President Batjer is
having technical difficulties.
00:29:19.365 --> 00:29:23.493
Could Commissioner Randolph
continue calling the speakers?
00:29:24.822 --> 00:29:25.763
Sure.
00:29:26.600 --> 00:29:29.241
Operator, can we have the next speaker?
00:29:29.241 --> 00:29:30.210
Thank you.
00:29:30.210 --> 00:29:32.450
Our next speaker is Mary Rose Tarook
00:29:32.450 --> 00:29:35.870
with Reclaim Our Power
Utility Justice Campaign.
00:29:35.870 --> 00:29:37.482
Your line is open.
00:29:37.482 --> 00:29:39.510
Good morning, Commissioners.
00:29:39.510 --> 00:29:41.410
Mary Rose Tarook, I'm the Coordinator
00:29:41.410 --> 00:29:43.520
of the Reclaim Our Power Campaign.
00:29:43.520 --> 00:29:46.430
Yesterday, many of
us risked our lives to be
00:29:46.430 --> 00:29:49.521
in front of your building
at the CPUC building
00:29:49.521 --> 00:29:54.521
there in San Francisco and
we were there with big banners
00:29:54.580 --> 00:29:58.480
rejecting, asking you to reject
this flawed deal with PG&E.
00:29:59.382 --> 00:30:03.580
At that protest and press
conference watched by
00:30:03.580 --> 00:30:06.020
over 1,000 people on Facebook Live,
00:30:06.020 --> 00:30:08.091
we marked the outlines of bodies
00:30:08.091 --> 00:30:10.735
that have been burned down by PG&E.
00:30:10.735 --> 00:30:13.700
PG&E is a criminal
and we don't trust them,
00:30:13.700 --> 00:30:15.321
and neither should you.
00:30:15.321 --> 00:30:19.820
There's so many unknowns in
this PG&E reorganization plan.
00:30:19.820 --> 00:30:22.810
For instance, will PG&E
have the money to contribute
00:30:22.810 --> 00:30:25.380
their part to the wildfire fund
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.375
so that victims could get paid?
00:30:27.375 --> 00:30:30.070
And then how exactly
are you going to guarantee
00:30:30.070 --> 00:30:32.410
that rates don't rise for us customers
00:30:32.410 --> 00:30:36.351
so that we're not paying
for PG&E's bankruptcy?
00:30:36.351 --> 00:30:40.280
We need you, the CPUC,
to reject the current plan
00:30:40.280 --> 00:30:41.570
and get us a better one.
00:30:41.570 --> 00:30:43.900
Governor Newsom, this is on you.
00:30:43.900 --> 00:30:47.944
We need a better deal that
honors what we need now,
00:30:47.944 --> 00:30:52.414
especially in what the
pandemic crisis is highlighting.
00:30:52.414 --> 00:30:55.339
We need energies that is a human right,
00:30:55.339 --> 00:31:00.339
that is controlled and that the public
00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:02.010
and those who are most vulnerable
00:31:02.010 --> 00:31:04.867
have access to that
decision, not Wall Street.
00:31:04.867 --> 00:31:09.867
So, no one trusts PG&E, none of us,
00:31:10.110 --> 00:31:12.510
none of the folks in the public,
00:31:12.510 --> 00:31:15.085
and we know that PG&E is falling apart.
00:31:15.085 --> 00:31:16.783
They are in their demise.
00:31:16.783 --> 00:31:19.067
And so what do we need to do
00:31:19.067 --> 00:31:23.510
to get a plan in place when they fail?
00:31:23.510 --> 00:31:25.720
And so you've got a letter from the
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.612
your Disadvantaged
Communities Advisory Group,
00:31:28.612 --> 00:31:31.650
asking you to set in
motion a role for them
00:31:31.650 --> 00:31:34.247
to authorize them to formally engage
00:31:34.247 --> 00:31:39.247
in planning for PG&E's failure.
00:31:39.540 --> 00:31:43.580
We want the CPUC to
have, to develop a mechanism
00:31:43.580 --> 00:31:48.340
for a transition of this
private utility to one that is
00:31:48.340 --> 00:31:50.890
controlled by frontline
communities and workers.
00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:53.707
We want that transition
to be swift, transparent
00:31:53.707 --> 00:31:56.759
and equitable, and we
need that in the plan.
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.830
We need that in the plan,
and please reject the plan
00:31:59.830 --> 00:32:03.907
until we have a role for frontline
communities and workers
00:32:03.907 --> 00:32:08.907
who have, who are
watching out for the public
00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:12.570
and ask you to do the same.
00:32:12.570 --> 00:32:13.403
Thank you.
00:32:15.938 --> 00:32:19.844
Liane, one second, I'm
going to have to sign off
00:32:19.844 --> 00:32:22.547
because I'm having computer problems.
00:32:22.547 --> 00:32:25.100
I'm going to sign off for a few minutes
00:32:25.100 --> 00:32:27.400
and sign right back on, so I apologize,
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.530
but for some reason,
00:32:29.530 --> 00:32:33.140
I'm being automatically
booted off my computer,
00:32:33.140 --> 00:32:36.410
so, I have to switch computers.
00:32:36.410 --> 00:32:37.860
Thank you.
Okay.
00:32:37.860 --> 00:32:40.243
Thank you,
Commissioner Randolph.
00:32:41.110 --> 00:32:44.943
Okay, operator, can we have
the next commenter, please?
00:32:47.690 --> 00:32:48.523
Thank you.
00:32:48.523 --> 00:32:52.220
Our next presenter or
commenter is Ken Jones
00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:53.690
with 350 Bay Area.
00:32:53.690 --> 00:32:54.590
Your line is open.
00:32:55.654 --> 00:32:56.500
Thank you.
00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:59.158
Good morning, President
Batjer and Commissioners.
00:32:59.158 --> 00:33:02.840
I live in Marin, where
fire worry is high,
00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:04.480
due to PG&E lines.
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.625
I just reviewed the CPUC's
Wildfire and Safety Division's
00:33:08.625 --> 00:33:13.210
recent rating of the utilities
on various detailed metrics.
00:33:13.210 --> 00:33:16.265
On even information
the utilities provided,
00:33:16.265 --> 00:33:21.265
PG&E showed how far behind
on this issue of safety they are.
00:33:21.790 --> 00:33:25.670
Seven out of a possible
40 that are total score,
00:33:25.670 --> 00:33:28.440
and the projection is
they might get as high as
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:33.440
20 out of 40 in 2023 in
their plans going forward.
00:33:33.820 --> 00:33:36.188
If you look closer at
the individual metrics,
00:33:36.188 --> 00:33:40.132
PG&E's plan for grid
design and system hardening
00:33:40.132 --> 00:33:45.132
is rated as a zero out of
four in 2020, and for 2023,
00:33:45.690 --> 00:33:50.690
it is still zero, so more
PSPS events for sure.
00:33:50.766 --> 00:33:53.570
In grid management
and inspections, their plan
00:33:53.570 --> 00:33:56.027
for overseeing their grid infrastructure
00:33:56.027 --> 00:33:59.266
got a one out of four, so
they aren't even capable
00:33:59.266 --> 00:34:01.383
of finding the problem that well.
00:34:02.754 --> 00:34:06.520
It does make you wonder
what they are doing in areas
00:34:06.520 --> 00:34:10.100
other than safety if it is
the number one priority,
00:34:10.100 --> 00:34:12.108
as they keep saying it is.
00:34:12.108 --> 00:34:14.550
Perhaps they would score high
00:34:14.550 --> 00:34:16.310
on finding a way to make a profit.
00:34:16.310 --> 00:34:19.270
That is not likely to change much
00:34:19.270 --> 00:34:21.680
in an era of hedge fund investors
00:34:21.680 --> 00:34:24.094
demanding signs of
profit on the bottom line.
00:34:24.094 --> 00:34:28.165
We need a utility that
works for the public, not profit,
00:34:28.165 --> 00:34:31.590
one that works cooperatively
and transparently
00:34:31.590 --> 00:34:34.381
to help communities
create micro grids right away,
00:34:34.381 --> 00:34:37.086
that helps build out
renewable energy in a way
00:34:37.086 --> 00:34:39.830
that creates grid resiliency.
00:34:39.830 --> 00:34:41.521
We need a modernized grid.
00:34:41.521 --> 00:34:44.958
Golden State Energy
sounds like the entity
00:34:44.958 --> 00:34:49.230
that is just around the
corner that will more likely
00:34:49.230 --> 00:34:54.230
and quickly get us to that
and a safe environment.
00:34:55.820 --> 00:34:59.690
It is amazing you would allow
them to come out of bankruptcy
00:34:59.690 --> 00:35:01.164
in the shape they are in.
00:35:01.164 --> 00:35:01.997
Thank you
00:35:04.390 --> 00:35:05.248
Thank you.
00:35:05.248 --> 00:35:07.903
Operator, next commenter, please.
00:35:09.560 --> 00:35:10.393
Thank you.
00:35:10.393 --> 00:35:12.890
Our next speaker is Jason Kruta
00:35:12.890 --> 00:35:15.800
with Democratic Socialists of America.
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:16.700
Your line is open.
00:35:17.659 --> 00:35:20.150
Hello, good
morning, Commissioners.
00:35:20.150 --> 00:35:23.023
Thank you for letting me speak today.
00:35:23.888 --> 00:35:28.330
I, you know, PG&E has
shown time and time again
00:35:28.330 --> 00:35:30.960
that it will put profits above safety
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.700
and above the people of California.
00:35:32.700 --> 00:35:34.110
We've seen this in San
Bruno, we've seen this
00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:36.668
in the North Bay fires,
so, it's the Camp Fire.
00:35:36.668 --> 00:35:40.307
We've seen them
repeatedly violate borders
00:35:40.307 --> 00:35:45.307
to spend money on safety
and repair and instead
00:35:45.340 --> 00:35:47.349
put that money straight in the
pockets of their shareholders
00:35:47.349 --> 00:35:49.391
and their executives.
00:35:49.391 --> 00:35:54.262
PG&E is a deeply corrupt
and callous organization,
00:35:54.262 --> 00:35:56.631
but it is not unique to PG&E.
00:35:56.631 --> 00:36:00.953
PG&E is not some out of
the blue, unique situation.
00:36:00.953 --> 00:36:04.102
This is what happens when
you have a for profit utility.
00:36:04.102 --> 00:36:07.698
Any for profit utility is
going to do anything it can
00:36:07.698 --> 00:36:09.559
to make as much money as it can.
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.320
That means deferring maintenance,
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.063
deferring repairs, raising rates.
00:36:14.063 --> 00:36:17.044
You must reject any
plan that does not make
00:36:17.044 --> 00:36:22.044
California's utility provider
completely nonprofit,
00:36:22.060 --> 00:36:24.428
completely owned by California
00:36:24.428 --> 00:36:28.392
and completely governed
by the people of California.
00:36:28.392 --> 00:36:30.256
If we don't have these things,
00:36:30.256 --> 00:36:33.430
these tragedies will happen
again and again and again,
00:36:33.430 --> 00:36:36.677
and more blood is gonna be
on the hands of not just PG&E,
00:36:36.677 --> 00:36:41.376
but on everyone who's
involved with this restructuring.
00:36:41.376 --> 00:36:44.870
We have the opportunity now
to put the power in the hands
00:36:44.870 --> 00:36:46.340
of the people of California
00:36:46.340 --> 00:36:48.652
and to remove the profit motive
00:36:48.652 --> 00:36:51.840
that causes these
problems in the first place.
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:53.449
We need to reject any plan
00:36:53.449 --> 00:36:55.970
that does not remove the profit motive.
00:36:55.970 --> 00:36:57.250
Please reject this plan.
00:36:57.250 --> 00:36:58.083
Thank you.
00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:10.357
We can't quite hear
you, President Batjer.
00:37:11.701 --> 00:37:13.514
How about now, okay?
00:37:13.514 --> 00:37:15.168
Yes, perfect, thank you.
00:37:15.168 --> 00:37:16.110
I'm back.
00:37:16.110 --> 00:37:18.720
Sorry about that temporary problem
00:37:18.720 --> 00:37:20.760
that I was having with my computer.
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.873
Thanks to Molly for helping me out.
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:29.780
Operator, could you please
bring the next commenter on?
00:37:32.370 --> 00:37:33.203
Thank you.
00:37:33.203 --> 00:37:35.923
Our next speaker is Gabriel Gossman.
00:37:39.540 --> 00:37:41.747
Please provide your organization.
00:37:41.747 --> 00:37:42.810
I'm also with
00:37:42.810 --> 00:37:46.960
the Democratic Socialists
of America San Francisco,
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.120
and I'd just like to echo, you
know, comments that already
00:37:50.120 --> 00:37:54.849
have said that specifically
PG&E has a long track record
00:37:54.849 --> 00:37:59.400
of failing to protect us from fire risk.
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:03.691
As we enter this new
phase of climate change,
00:38:03.691 --> 00:38:07.383
these risks will only compound
on themselves and get worse,
00:38:07.383 --> 00:38:12.383
and it's very unlikely
that a for profit business,
00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:16.683
that now is in a lot
of financial distress,
00:38:18.180 --> 00:38:22.108
can invest and protect
the public in a way
00:38:22.108 --> 00:38:25.530
that also satisfies financial needs,
00:38:25.530 --> 00:38:29.460
and we really need
this plan to try to return
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:33.010
to the best flow in regards
to for profit business models,
00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:38.010
but that's not feasible
without really putting all of us
00:38:38.105 --> 00:38:42.569
at risk in California
in terms of, you know,
00:38:42.569 --> 00:38:47.569
both issues of climate change
and fire and general safety,
00:38:48.095 --> 00:38:52.095
and the best time for it
and the most affordable path
00:38:52.095 --> 00:38:57.095
is a transition to
publicly owned utilities
00:38:58.110 --> 00:39:01.910
at the state level that are,
you know, municipally owned,
00:39:01.910 --> 00:39:05.560
and I think CPUC has
the power to reject this plan
00:39:05.560 --> 00:39:10.480
and really try to push, turn
bankruptcy into a path forward
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.363
towards a sustainable public utility.
00:39:16.573 --> 00:39:17.637
Thank you.
00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:38.593
President Batjer,
we can't hear you.
00:39:41.990 --> 00:39:42.823
Sorry.
00:39:42.823 --> 00:39:44.533
Operator, do we have another caller?
00:39:56.208 --> 00:39:57.300
President Batjer,
00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:02.143
our next speaker is
Brenda Endoss, a current.
00:40:03.600 --> 00:40:04.433
Brenda?
00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:08.205
Hi, thank you,
Commissioners and good morning.
00:40:08.205 --> 00:40:11.165
Commissioners, you
have heard for weeks now
00:40:11.165 --> 00:40:14.130
that the PG&E plan in
front of you doesn't work
00:40:14.130 --> 00:40:15.916
for ratepayers, fire survivors,
00:40:15.916 --> 00:40:18.530
or communities or the climate.
00:40:18.530 --> 00:40:20.150
You have the power
and the responsibility
00:40:20.150 --> 00:40:22.557
to build an energy system
that works for all of us,
00:40:22.557 --> 00:40:24.450
and our communities have answers
00:40:24.450 --> 00:40:26.443
as to how to build this system.
00:40:26.443 --> 00:40:30.014
I support the Reclaim Our
Power Utility Justice Campaign
00:40:30.014 --> 00:40:32.880
that demands for a PG&E bankruptcy deal
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.342
that works for the people
of California, not Wall Street.
00:40:36.342 --> 00:40:39.840
The CPUC administration
lodges proposed decisions
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.720
that do not live up to
what California needs
00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:44.160
from their energy system.
00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:46.730
California needs true safety from fire,
00:40:46.730 --> 00:40:49.431
smoke and shut offs, including
having impacted communities
00:40:49.431 --> 00:40:52.100
at the decision table about if,
00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:54.160
when and how our power is shut off.
00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:57.320
We shouldn't be forced
to pay for PG&E's failures.
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.090
All debt repayments should
be included in the plan.
00:41:00.090 --> 00:41:04.710
Our savings should benefit
ratepayers, not shareholders.
00:41:04.710 --> 00:41:07.840
Further, in this moment
of public health crisis
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.900
and income loss, the Commission
must acknowledge energy
00:41:10.900 --> 00:41:14.110
as a human right and
forgive the debts of all those
00:41:14.110 --> 00:41:15.860
unable to pay for utilities.
00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:18.457
I trust and I believe that you
guys will do the right thing.
00:41:18.457 --> 00:41:21.173
This is not an easy
decision, but it's a very,
00:41:24.160 --> 00:41:27.327
I think, common sense on
what needs to be done here.
00:41:27.327 --> 00:41:31.040
California needs at
transformation energy system
00:41:31.040 --> 00:41:33.391
based on a clean,
decentralized energy model.
00:41:33.391 --> 00:41:37.080
For profit utilities will
not prioritize clean energy
00:41:37.080 --> 00:41:39.501
over profits or become decentralized.
00:41:39.501 --> 00:41:42.963
Thank you for your time
and do the right thing.
00:41:44.086 --> 00:41:45.609
Thank you.
00:41:45.609 --> 00:41:47.853
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:51.273
Our next speaker
00:41:51.273 --> 00:41:54.820
is Barbara Stebbins with Local Clean.
00:41:54.820 --> 00:41:56.171
Your line is open.
00:41:56.171 --> 00:41:58.716
My name
is Barbara Stebbins.
00:41:58.716 --> 00:42:01.897
I am here with the Local
Clean Energy Alliance.
00:42:01.897 --> 00:42:06.897
We share today, again, to
urge you to reject PG&E's
00:42:07.130 --> 00:42:09.749
terrible reorganization plan.
00:42:09.749 --> 00:42:12.540
You have the power
to determine the future
00:42:12.540 --> 00:42:15.991
and take control of the
energy we need to live.
00:42:15.991 --> 00:42:19.590
It is likely that you have
already made up your minds
00:42:19.590 --> 00:42:22.151
to approve this plan
that will be so harmful
00:42:22.151 --> 00:42:26.050
to the majority of people
in PG&E's territory.
00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:30.800
You Commissioners work in a
reality this is based in power,
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.468
the power to make
decisions for the majority of us,
00:42:34.468 --> 00:42:38.200
but I think you have little
understanding of the life
00:42:38.200 --> 00:42:39.876
that most of us lead.
00:42:39.876 --> 00:42:42.941
The majority of people
in PG&E's territory
00:42:42.941 --> 00:42:45.552
are financially insecure.
00:42:45.552 --> 00:42:49.384
We live month to month in
danger of losing our housing,
00:42:49.384 --> 00:42:52.960
being without healthcare
and fearing that the power
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.286
we need to live will be shut off.
00:42:55.286 --> 00:42:58.746
Of course, the current
pandemic has vastly increased
00:42:58.746 --> 00:43:01.773
the number of us in that position.
00:43:01.773 --> 00:43:05.690
You are poised to approve
a plan to resuscitate
00:43:05.690 --> 00:43:09.420
a corporation that cares
nothing about our fate.
00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:12.503
That corporation has
demonstrated time and again
00:43:12.503 --> 00:43:15.678
that its priority is making
money for shareholders
00:43:15.678 --> 00:43:19.220
and executives, that it
will carry out that mission
00:43:19.220 --> 00:43:22.540
regardless of the
cost in rate increases,
00:43:22.540 --> 00:43:26.681
power shut offs, homes and
businesses and even human lives.
00:43:26.681 --> 00:43:30.616
The deal for wildfire
survivors is an abomination,
00:43:30.616 --> 00:43:33.620
tying half the compensation for homes
00:43:33.620 --> 00:43:36.715
and lost family members
to the very corporation
00:43:36.715 --> 00:43:39.556
responsible for their loss.
00:43:39.556 --> 00:43:44.556
The new plan for PG&E
looks worse than the old plan.
00:43:44.877 --> 00:43:47.707
Because the insecurity
of the debt is higher,
00:43:47.707 --> 00:43:50.670
the potential for rate
increases is greater,
00:43:50.670 --> 00:43:53.457
and there is nothing
that alters the prime
00:43:53.457 --> 00:43:58.379
operating principle
of profit over people.
00:43:58.379 --> 00:44:01.607
We urge you to do the
right thing for the rest of us,
00:44:01.607 --> 00:44:03.325
the majority of the people,
00:44:03.325 --> 00:44:06.703
and reject the reorganization plan.
00:44:06.703 --> 00:44:07.827
Thank you.
00:44:09.402 --> 00:44:11.100
Thank you, Barbara.
00:44:11.100 --> 00:44:13.090
Power, I mean, excuse me, operator,
00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:14.323
the next caller, please.
00:44:16.204 --> 00:44:19.410
Our next
speaker is Glenn Glazer
00:44:19.410 --> 00:44:21.590
with the California Democratic Party.
00:44:21.590 --> 00:44:22.423
Your line is open.
00:44:22.423 --> 00:44:24.580
Hi, good morning.
00:44:24.580 --> 00:44:26.180
Glenn Glazer, executive board member
00:44:26.180 --> 00:44:28.474
of the California Democratic Party.
00:44:28.474 --> 00:44:33.010
From Hinkley in the '80s to
Paradise in 2020, Californians
00:44:33.010 --> 00:44:36.300
have suffered a 40 year
reign of terror under PG&E.
00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:39.370
They've been given not
just a second chance, PG&E,
00:44:39.370 --> 00:44:41.950
but a third chance, a
fourth chance and beyond.
00:44:41.950 --> 00:44:43.970
They have proven that they do not learn.
00:44:43.970 --> 00:44:45.610
They have run out of chances,
00:44:45.610 --> 00:44:49.040
and we the people of California
have run out of patience.
00:44:49.040 --> 00:44:51.290
Hundreds of thousands of acres burned,
00:44:51.290 --> 00:44:52.990
thousands of structures destroyed,
00:44:52.990 --> 00:44:54.740
hundreds of people killed
00:44:54.740 --> 00:44:56.840
and hundreds of felony convictions.
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.340
PG&E does not deserve
to come out of bankruptcy,
00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:01.701
and they do not deserve
to have their fines waived.
00:45:01.701 --> 00:45:04.820
If I committed manslaughter
and then told the judge
00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:06.400
I couldn't afford to go to jail,
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.330
what do you think the
judge would say to me?
00:45:08.330 --> 00:45:11.031
Because that's what
you're saying to PG&E.
00:45:11.031 --> 00:45:13.660
Instead, I point out to SMUD,
00:45:13.660 --> 00:45:15.465
the jewel of California utilities,
00:45:15.465 --> 00:45:17.792
LADWP and other public utilities,
00:45:17.792 --> 00:45:20.313
including the entire state of Nebraska.
00:45:21.611 --> 00:45:24.493
It should be a publicly owned utility.
00:45:24.493 --> 00:45:27.555
Senate Bill 917 established
the public ownership
00:45:27.555 --> 00:45:31.402
of what is now P&E, and I
strongly encourage the CPUC
00:45:31.402 --> 00:45:33.759
in their roles of
guardians of the people
00:45:33.759 --> 00:45:37.031
to move in this direction,
and not yet another bailout
00:45:37.031 --> 00:45:40.817
of a recidivist PG&E that
benefits only shareholders
00:45:40.817 --> 00:45:45.302
at the price of the lives and
properties of Californians.
00:45:45.302 --> 00:45:47.983
Lastly, listen to the people.
00:45:47.983 --> 00:45:51.150
All of the comments so
far have been negative.
00:45:51.150 --> 00:45:53.072
No one has supported this plan.
00:45:53.072 --> 00:45:56.358
Surely, that means something.
00:45:56.358 --> 00:45:57.191
Thank you.
00:45:58.617 --> 00:46:00.393
Thank you, Glenn.
00:46:00.393 --> 00:46:02.493
Operator, the next caller, please.
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:06.670
Our next
caller is Shanna Adovo
00:46:06.670 --> 00:46:09.250
with Local Clean Energy Alliance.
00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:10.150
Your line is open.
00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:14.091
Hi, this
Shanna Adovo Soran,
00:46:14.091 --> 00:46:16.030
with the Local Clean Energy Alliance.
00:46:16.030 --> 00:46:19.600
We call on the CPUC
to reject the current
00:46:19.600 --> 00:46:21.610
PG&E reorganization plan
00:46:21.610 --> 00:46:24.250
and instead, require a plan
that addresses the needs
00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:28.382
of both fire survivors,
ratepayers and our communities.
00:46:28.382 --> 00:46:31.249
I think you commit the sunk cost fallacy
00:46:31.249 --> 00:46:34.026
by believing that PG&E will change.
00:46:34.026 --> 00:46:39.026
I know that CPUC and we
as Californians sacrificed a lot
00:46:39.504 --> 00:46:44.307
hoping that PG&E will
become a better utility,
00:46:44.307 --> 00:46:47.223
but Californians are
saying enough is enough.
00:46:47.223 --> 00:46:49.560
We know that the change we're asking for
00:46:49.560 --> 00:46:53.700
may cost us financially, but
avoiding it costs us our lives
00:46:53.700 --> 00:46:57.210
and well being while
still costing us financially.
00:46:57.210 --> 00:47:00.703
I think Californians deserve
a better energy system,
00:47:00.703 --> 00:47:03.784
a system based on
decentralized and clean energy,
00:47:03.784 --> 00:47:06.859
a system that represents
us, the ratepayers,
00:47:06.859 --> 00:47:08.993
not the PG&E shareholders.
00:47:08.993 --> 00:47:11.930
I echo the demands of Reclaim Our Power
00:47:11.930 --> 00:47:13.450
Utility Justice Campaign.
00:47:13.450 --> 00:47:16.522
Thank you.
00:47:16.522 --> 00:47:18.008
Thank you, Shanna.
00:47:18.008 --> 00:47:20.483
Operator, are there any more callers?
00:47:27.250 --> 00:47:28.083
President Batjer,
00:47:28.083 --> 00:47:30.675
there are no other callers at this time.
00:47:30.675 --> 00:47:31.833
Okay, thank you.
00:47:31.833 --> 00:47:33.460
I will thank the operator then,
00:47:33.460 --> 00:47:36.713
and I will now turn to
Public Advisor Brown
00:47:36.713 --> 00:47:40.295
to read any email from the
public that we have received
00:47:40.295 --> 00:47:42.463
prior to 10 o'clock this morning.
00:47:44.544 --> 00:47:46.020
Good morning,
President Batjer
00:47:46.020 --> 00:47:49.070
and Commissioners, this is
Allison Brown, Public Advisor.
00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:50.820
Can you hear me all right?
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:53.156
Yes we can, thank you, Allison.
00:47:53.156 --> 00:47:54.390
Perfect, thank you.
00:47:54.390 --> 00:47:59.390
So for today's meeting,
we received 223 comments
00:47:59.570 --> 00:48:02.262
before 10 am with the same language.
00:48:02.262 --> 00:48:05.403
We also received several
hundreds identical comments
00:48:05.403 --> 00:48:06.480
for the previous hearings.
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.578
Sorry, Allison, you
are breaking up now, so.
00:48:09.578 --> 00:48:13.051
Okay, I will
enunciate more.
00:48:13.051 --> 00:48:16.421
You're breaking up,
you're coming in and out, so.
00:48:16.421 --> 00:48:17.557
Okay.
00:48:17.557 --> 00:48:20.147
So start your statement
over, if you don't mind.
00:48:20.147 --> 00:48:21.570
Sure.
00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:26.414
So for today's meeting, we
received 223 identical comments.
00:48:26.414 --> 00:48:29.440
I would also like to
note that we received
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.658
several hundred of
these identical comments
00:48:31.658 --> 00:48:35.560
for previous meetings that,
because of technical issues,
00:48:35.560 --> 00:48:36.963
were not able to be shared.
00:48:37.957 --> 00:48:42.120
This note is slightly longer
than the allotted 90 seconds,
00:48:42.120 --> 00:48:44.093
but due to the large
number of commenters,
00:48:44.093 --> 00:48:46.463
I will read it in its entirety.
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.360
We also received 18 separate emails,
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.382
which I will read afterwards.
00:48:53.382 --> 00:48:58.382
So the comments that we
received from 223 people reads,
00:48:59.057 --> 00:49:00.865
"Commissioners and Governor Newsom,
00:49:00.865 --> 00:49:04.977
"I support the Reclaim Our
Power Utility Justice Campaign's
00:49:04.977 --> 00:49:07.727
"demand for a PG&E bankruptcy deal
00:49:07.727 --> 00:49:11.054
"that works for the people
of California, not Wall Street.
00:49:11.054 --> 00:49:14.604
"The CPUC administrative
law judge's proposed decision
00:49:14.604 --> 00:49:17.137
"does not live up to
what Californians need
00:49:17.137 --> 00:49:19.007
"from their energy system.
00:49:19.007 --> 00:49:22.337
"Californians need true
safety from fires, smoke
00:49:22.337 --> 00:49:25.367
"and shut off, including
having impacted communities
00:49:25.367 --> 00:49:29.187
"at the decision table
about if and when and how
00:49:29.187 --> 00:49:30.716
"our power is shut off.
00:49:30.716 --> 00:49:33.915
"We shouldn't be forced
to pay for PG&E's failures.
00:49:33.915 --> 00:49:37.057
"All debt repayments
should be included in the plan,
00:49:37.057 --> 00:49:40.047
"not hidden, and savings
should benefit ratepayers,
00:49:40.047 --> 00:49:41.281
"not shareholders.
00:49:41.281 --> 00:49:44.270
"Further, in this moment
of public health crisis
00:49:44.270 --> 00:49:48.167
"and income loss, the Commission
must acknowledge energy
00:49:48.167 --> 00:49:51.427
"as a human right and
forgive the debts of all those
00:49:51.427 --> 00:49:53.930
"unable to pay for utility service.
00:49:53.930 --> 00:49:57.501
"Impacted communities,
including fire survivors,
00:49:57.501 --> 00:50:00.601
"need to be compensated
immediately in cash,
00:50:00.601 --> 00:50:04.937
"not with volatile PG&E
stock that is tied up in a trust
00:50:04.937 --> 00:50:07.409
"these claimants
themselves cannot control.
00:50:07.409 --> 00:50:10.377
"Any bankruptcy deal that
this Commission approves
00:50:10.377 --> 00:50:12.121
"must have true accountability,
00:50:12.121 --> 00:50:14.587
"including a truly independent monitor
00:50:14.587 --> 00:50:17.672
"selected by and
reporting to the legislature
00:50:17.672 --> 00:50:20.971
"with full access to utility operations.
00:50:20.971 --> 00:50:24.035
"This monitor must be
empowered to expediently
00:50:24.035 --> 00:50:27.853
"and transparently reject
PG&E's business license
00:50:27.853 --> 00:50:30.770
"and transition to a new energy model.
00:50:30.770 --> 00:50:34.097
"Any deal that this Commission
approves should use
00:50:34.097 --> 00:50:36.947
"every opportunity to
transform our system
00:50:36.947 --> 00:50:40.464
"to clean, distributed energy
and a sustainable future,
00:50:40.464 --> 00:50:42.637
"including pushing for investments
00:50:42.637 --> 00:50:46.267
"in local renewable resources
as a permanent retirement
00:50:46.267 --> 00:50:48.682
"of fossil fuel and
nuclear infrastructure.
00:50:48.682 --> 00:50:51.137
"Any deal that this Commission approves
00:50:51.137 --> 00:50:54.181
"must meaningfully include
workers, fire survivors,
00:50:54.181 --> 00:50:55.768
"people with disabilities
00:50:55.768 --> 00:50:58.927
"and environmental justice
communities on the board
00:50:58.927 --> 00:51:00.971
"and other decision making bodies.
00:51:00.971 --> 00:51:05.417
"The deal in front of the
CPUC does not meet the criteria
00:51:05.417 --> 00:51:07.197
"that the people of California need.
00:51:07.197 --> 00:51:10.924
"I demand that PG&E's plan
of reorganization be rejected
00:51:10.924 --> 00:51:14.647
"until one that meets these
criteria be brought forward."
00:51:16.810 --> 00:51:18.431
That concludes that comment.
00:51:18.431 --> 00:51:22.360
And as I noted, we received
18 additional comments
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:23.783
before 10 am.
00:51:23.783 --> 00:51:26.766
The first comment is from Sarah Lehmann,
00:51:26.766 --> 00:51:29.812
who is a Hayward City Council member.
00:51:29.812 --> 00:51:34.437
She writes, "Respected
Commissioners, please use this moment
00:51:34.437 --> 00:51:37.643
"and your oversight power to
move beyond business as usual.
00:51:37.643 --> 00:51:40.327
"You've heard for weeks
now how the PG&E plan
00:51:40.327 --> 00:51:42.803
"in front of you doesn't
work for ratepayers,
00:51:43.807 --> 00:51:47.288
"fire survivors, our
communities or the climate.
00:51:47.288 --> 00:51:50.297
"You have the power
and responsibility to build
00:51:50.297 --> 00:51:52.501
"an energy system
that works for all of us,
00:51:52.501 --> 00:51:54.478
"and our communities have the answers
00:51:54.478 --> 00:51:56.737
"as to how you build that system.
00:51:56.737 --> 00:52:00.437
"PG&E has admittedly
neglected its infrastructure
00:52:00.437 --> 00:52:02.597
"and broken the public trust.
00:52:02.597 --> 00:52:06.011
"It's time for this public
utility to return to the public.
00:52:06.011 --> 00:52:09.047
"Please reject any plan
which keeps in place
00:52:09.047 --> 00:52:11.007
"a for profit utility.
00:52:11.007 --> 00:52:12.809
"Until the profit motive is removed,
00:52:12.809 --> 00:52:15.747
"the energy grid will remain
unsafe for communities,
00:52:15.747 --> 00:52:18.677
"because the underlying
motivations remain the same.
00:52:18.677 --> 00:52:21.877
"Our state benefits from
rigorous independent
00:52:21.877 --> 00:52:24.005
"democratic oversight of the utility.
00:52:24.005 --> 00:52:26.824
"This does not happen
when utilities are run for profit,
00:52:26.824 --> 00:52:29.669
"beholden and answering to shareholders.
00:52:29.669 --> 00:52:33.587
"The public utility which
answers to community members
00:52:33.587 --> 00:52:37.451
"can be democratically,
transparently and sustainably run.
00:52:37.451 --> 00:52:40.888
"Please reject PG&E's
exit plans from bankruptcy.
00:52:40.888 --> 00:52:43.457
"Thank you very much
for your consideration
00:52:43.457 --> 00:52:45.407
"and action, respectfully."
00:52:46.919 --> 00:52:49.474
Our next comment is from Jim Stewart.
00:52:49.474 --> 00:52:53.487
It reads, "We are working
on starting Community Choice
00:52:53.487 --> 00:52:56.120
"in Long Beach, and
we agree with the CCAs
00:52:56.120 --> 00:53:01.120
"that the proposed decision,
17-09-020, should be rejected.
00:53:02.083 --> 00:53:04.867
"It is an idea in search of a problem.
00:53:04.867 --> 00:53:05.827
"It is not needed,
00:53:05.827 --> 00:53:08.557
"and should be removed
from the docket immediately.
00:53:08.557 --> 00:53:10.617
"It will likely result
in less investment
00:53:10.617 --> 00:53:13.218
"in solar or wind with battery backup,
00:53:13.218 --> 00:53:16.251
"and instead more
natural gas as a stopgap.
00:53:16.251 --> 00:53:18.607
"That is the wrong
direction for California
00:53:18.607 --> 00:53:20.346
"in this time of climate crisis.
00:53:20.346 --> 00:53:23.237
"I also believe that
the proposed decision
00:53:23.237 --> 00:53:26.727
"on PG&E's reorganization
fails to ensure
00:53:26.727 --> 00:53:29.492
"immediate installation
of arc interrupters
00:53:29.492 --> 00:53:31.927
"and other wired safety measures
00:53:31.927 --> 00:53:34.067
"to protect people from wildfires.
00:53:34.067 --> 00:53:35.467
"It should be strengthened."
00:53:36.970 --> 00:53:40.326
Our next comment is from Madeline Clyde.
00:53:40.326 --> 00:53:44.851
"CPUC Commissioners, PG&E
does not deserve another chance.
00:53:44.851 --> 00:53:47.797
"They are directly responsible
for more than 100 deaths
00:53:47.797 --> 00:53:49.310
"due to willful negligence.
00:53:49.310 --> 00:53:53.417
"A state audit found that
guilty of taking $100 million
00:53:53.417 --> 00:53:56.603
"from a safety maintenance
fund to pay executive bonuses.
00:53:56.603 --> 00:53:59.273
"The people of
California deserve better.
00:53:59.273 --> 00:54:02.657
"Energy is a natural
resource that we all need.
00:54:02.657 --> 00:54:04.377
"It should not be
controlled by a company
00:54:04.377 --> 00:54:06.297
"that puts profit over people.
00:54:06.297 --> 00:54:09.339
"I urge you to vote no on
PG&E's reorganization plan
00:54:09.339 --> 00:54:11.607
"and instead move to enable
00:54:11.607 --> 00:54:14.063
"a worker and customer owned utility.
00:54:14.063 --> 00:54:16.497
"The people of California
should not be forced
00:54:16.497 --> 00:54:19.427
"to continue to pay for
PG&E's deadly mistakes."
00:54:21.330 --> 00:54:24.366
Our next comment
comes from Dylan Douglas.
00:54:24.366 --> 00:54:27.147
"California Public Utilities Commission,
00:54:27.147 --> 00:54:30.032
"I urge you to reject
PG&E's bankruptcy plan.
00:54:30.032 --> 00:54:32.717
"PG&E has proven over and over that is
00:54:32.717 --> 00:54:35.809
"an irresponsible entity
interested in short term profit
00:54:35.809 --> 00:54:38.257
"over the health and
safety of its customers
00:54:38.257 --> 00:54:39.827
"and their property.
00:54:39.827 --> 00:54:42.497
"CPUC must do what
is best for California
00:54:42.497 --> 00:54:44.148
"and California ratepayers.
00:54:44.148 --> 00:54:47.357
"That means a public utility
subject to democratic control
00:54:47.357 --> 00:54:50.597
"for the good of all, not the
whims of private investors
00:54:50.597 --> 00:54:52.760
"guided only by the profit motive.
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:55.047
"California ratepayers
should be entitled
00:54:55.047 --> 00:54:58.340
"to a more responsible,
responsive energy provider.
00:54:58.340 --> 00:55:01.257
"Moreover, a public
utility will be more likely
00:55:01.257 --> 00:55:02.877
"to make infrastructure investments
00:55:02.877 --> 00:55:04.579
"with an eye to the long term.
00:55:04.579 --> 00:55:09.227
"It will take into factors,
such as the need for reliable,
00:55:09.227 --> 00:55:13.417
"safe energy production as
the state, country and planet
00:55:13.417 --> 00:55:15.487
"face the reality of climate change.
00:55:15.487 --> 00:55:17.161
"Please reject the PG&E's plan.
00:55:17.161 --> 00:55:19.277
"Thank you for considering my views."
00:55:20.419 --> 00:55:23.591
Our next comment is
from Dixie Blumenshein.
00:55:23.591 --> 00:55:27.537
It reads, "Dear California
Public Utilities Commission,
00:55:27.537 --> 00:55:29.067
"My name is Dixie Blumenshein.
00:55:29.067 --> 00:55:30.347
"I have no party preference.
00:55:30.347 --> 00:55:32.459
"I live in Menlo Park, California.
00:55:32.459 --> 00:55:35.427
"Commissioners, I know that
you've been told continuously
00:55:35.427 --> 00:55:37.783
"about how the PG&E plan in front of you
00:55:37.783 --> 00:55:41.407
"doesn't work for
ratepayers or fire survivors,
00:55:41.407 --> 00:55:44.287
"our community or the
future of the climate.
00:55:44.287 --> 00:55:47.217
"You have the power and
responsibility to implement
00:55:47.217 --> 00:55:49.037
"a better energy
system that works for us,
00:55:49.037 --> 00:55:52.337
"and our communities
already have the answers
00:55:52.337 --> 00:55:53.434
"on how to build it.
00:55:53.434 --> 00:55:56.895
"PG&E has proven time
and time again, every year,
00:55:56.895 --> 00:56:00.711
"from San Bruno to Paradise,
that our safety from fires
00:56:00.711 --> 00:56:02.327
"or the outcomes of power outages
00:56:02.327 --> 00:56:05.539
"is the least of their
concern, and the profit is first.
00:56:05.539 --> 00:56:09.454
"I and many others are
counting on you to reject any plan
00:56:09.454 --> 00:56:13.767
"which keeps Californians
dependent on a for profit utility.
00:56:13.767 --> 00:56:16.690
"Until the profit motive is
removed, the energy grid
00:56:16.690 --> 00:56:19.229
"will remain unsafe for communities,
00:56:19.229 --> 00:56:20.959
"because the underlying motivations
00:56:20.959 --> 00:56:23.534
"remain at all of our expense.
00:56:23.534 --> 00:56:26.667
"Furthermore, customers need rigorous
00:56:26.667 --> 00:56:29.555
"independent, democratic
oversight of their utilities.
00:56:29.555 --> 00:56:32.884
"This cannot truly happen
when utilities are run for profit,
00:56:32.884 --> 00:56:35.166
"beholden and answering to shareholders
00:56:35.166 --> 00:56:36.717
"instead of customers.
00:56:36.717 --> 00:56:39.767
"A public utility that answers
to citizens and ratepayers
00:56:39.767 --> 00:56:42.517
"can be democratically
and transparently run.
00:56:42.517 --> 00:56:45.317
"Thank you for your time
and please do the right thing."
00:56:46.560 --> 00:56:49.163
Our next comment is from Annie Kay.
00:56:50.034 --> 00:56:52.872
"Commissioners, you
repeatedly have heard
00:56:52.872 --> 00:56:54.345
"that the PG&E plan in front of you
00:56:54.345 --> 00:56:57.407
"doesn't work for
ratepayers, fire survivors,
00:56:57.407 --> 00:56:59.070
"our community or the climate.
00:56:59.070 --> 00:57:01.517
"You have the power and responsibility
00:57:01.517 --> 00:57:03.937
"to build an energy system
that works for all of us,
00:57:03.937 --> 00:57:05.791
"and our communities have the answers
00:57:05.791 --> 00:57:08.370
"as to how to build that system.
00:57:08.370 --> 00:57:10.218
"PG&E has proven time and time again,
00:57:10.218 --> 00:57:12.887
"from San Bruno to
Paradise, that our safety
00:57:12.887 --> 00:57:14.327
"is the least of their concern,
00:57:14.327 --> 00:57:16.797
"so that's profit over safety.
00:57:16.797 --> 00:57:18.157
"Please reject any plan
00:57:18.157 --> 00:57:20.427
"that keeps in place
a for profit utility.
00:57:20.427 --> 00:57:22.627
"Until the profit motive is removed,
00:57:22.627 --> 00:57:25.705
"the energy grid will remain
unsafe for communities.
00:57:25.705 --> 00:57:29.007
"Furthermore, customers
need rigorous independent,
00:57:29.007 --> 00:57:31.373
"democratic oversight
of their utilities.
00:57:31.373 --> 00:57:34.632
"This truly cannot happen
when utilities are run for profit.
00:57:34.632 --> 00:57:37.937
"A public utility which
answers to regular people and
00:57:37.937 --> 00:57:41.500
"ratepayers can be democratically
and transparently run."
00:57:43.093 --> 00:57:45.253
Our next comment is from Kevin.
00:57:45.253 --> 00:57:46.113
Allison.
00:57:46.113 --> 00:57:49.590
Excuse me, Allison,
you're getting muffled
00:57:49.590 --> 00:57:50.423
every now and then.
00:57:50.423 --> 00:57:51.256
I think you have to speak
00:57:51.256 --> 00:57:53.440
a little bit more directly into the mic.
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.507
Okay, sorry
about that, thank you.
00:57:55.507 --> 00:57:57.855
Our next comment is for Kevin Maw.
00:57:57.855 --> 00:58:02.307
It reads, "Dear Commissioners,
PG&E has a history
00:58:02.307 --> 00:58:05.012
"of failure with regards to
the safe of its infrastructure,
00:58:05.012 --> 00:58:08.182
"leading to wildfires that
have burned down cities
00:58:08.182 --> 00:58:10.277
"and a pipeline explosion that killed
00:58:10.277 --> 00:58:11.891
"one of your staff members.
00:58:11.891 --> 00:58:14.827
"And there's current news
that the bankruptcy case
00:58:14.827 --> 00:58:17.267
"may be tainted by
a conflict of interest
00:58:17.267 --> 00:58:20.267
"that underscores the
danger of setting the utilities fail
00:58:21.287 --> 00:58:23.357
"under the whims of the market
00:58:23.357 --> 00:58:26.377
"rather than directly
accountable to the people.
00:58:26.377 --> 00:58:30.017
"In the meantime, PG&E
has had the guts to find
00:58:30.017 --> 00:58:34.077
"money and plans to protect
itself, despite its finances,
00:58:34.077 --> 00:58:36.997
"and the proposed bankruptcy
plan to use the PG&E stock
00:58:36.997 --> 00:58:39.947
"for compensation creates
a perverse chilling effect
00:58:39.947 --> 00:58:42.647
"for the victim, where
any criticism could hurt
00:58:42.647 --> 00:58:45.007
"relief efforts, especially compounded
00:58:45.007 --> 00:58:47.857
"by our fragile economic climate.
00:58:47.857 --> 00:58:50.667
"Despite the AB-1054 deadlines,
00:58:50.667 --> 00:58:53.137
"the Commission should
not speed up proceedings.
00:58:53.137 --> 00:58:56.457
"Being too hasty may lead
to future neglect and harm.
00:58:56.457 --> 00:58:59.246
"The Commission may ask
for more stringent reform efforts,
00:58:59.246 --> 00:59:02.904
"such as greater powers to
the given third party monitor
00:59:02.904 --> 00:59:05.827
"or Chief Restructuring Officer.
00:59:05.827 --> 00:59:08.107
"The Commission should also compel PG&E
00:59:08.107 --> 00:59:11.141
"to devolve its powers
to local elected bodies,
00:59:11.141 --> 00:59:14.345
"as has been asked from
San Francisco and San Jose,
00:59:14.345 --> 00:59:17.890
"or given that it's already
in bankruptcy proceedings,
00:59:17.890 --> 00:59:20.452
"PG&E should be taken over completely,
00:59:20.452 --> 00:59:23.437
"should be taken completely
away from the market
00:59:23.437 --> 00:59:26.687
"and become a nonprofit
or governmental utility.
00:59:26.687 --> 00:59:28.927
"Until then, I asked
you to reject the plan
00:59:28.927 --> 00:59:30.347
"as it currently stands."
00:59:31.953 --> 00:59:34.253
Our next comment is from Nico Velo.
00:59:35.179 --> 00:59:38.317
"Hi, as I young citizen of California,
00:59:38.317 --> 00:59:41.417
"It is incumbent upon me to
safeguard not only the interests
00:59:41.417 --> 00:59:44.597
"of California at this present
time, but also to consider
00:59:44.597 --> 00:59:46.667
"the interests of the future California.
00:59:46.667 --> 00:59:47.653
"I live in both.
00:59:48.987 --> 00:59:51.917
"Pacific Gas & Electric has
shown that it is incapable
00:59:51.917 --> 00:59:54.221
"of fulfilling a charter levied upon it
00:59:54.221 --> 00:59:57.677
"by our an unalienable
human rights to life and liberty.
00:59:57.677 --> 01:00:00.417
"It has demonstrated
repeatedly, through multiple
01:00:00.417 --> 01:00:03.297
"different leadership
cohorts, that it is unable
01:00:03.297 --> 01:00:07.427
"to place the safety and
health of its customers
01:00:07.427 --> 01:00:09.695
"above the fundamental profits focus.
01:00:09.695 --> 01:00:12.327
"So long as climate
change continues to make
01:00:12.327 --> 01:00:14.357
"power transmission across California
01:00:14.357 --> 01:00:18.607
"a complicated and delicate
affair, and so long as PG&E
01:00:18.607 --> 01:00:21.777
"is beholden first and
foremost to its shareholders
01:00:21.777 --> 01:00:24.511
"instead of the people of
California, whom it serves,
01:00:24.511 --> 01:00:26.597
"the company will file for bankruptcy
01:00:26.597 --> 01:00:28.556
"again and again and again.
01:00:28.556 --> 01:00:30.667
"We must stop this cycle,
01:00:30.667 --> 01:00:32.257
"because every time it repeats,
01:00:32.257 --> 01:00:34.917
"we see that the one thing
resulting from our votes
01:00:34.917 --> 01:00:37.628
"who made a risky investment
in the corner cutting utility,
01:00:37.628 --> 01:00:39.150
"but rather those who".
01:00:40.574 --> 01:00:43.330
Excuse me,
this is the operator.
01:00:43.330 --> 01:00:46.083
The public comment period is now closed.
01:00:47.610 --> 01:00:50.397
"Monopolies will
never be able to serve
01:00:50.397 --> 01:00:53.172
"the public in a way that
is truly in their best interest.
01:00:53.172 --> 01:00:55.888
"It is time that we view
that once and for all,
01:00:55.888 --> 01:00:58.396
"this type of life profiteering
01:00:58.396 --> 01:01:00.427
"will not stand in California,
01:01:00.427 --> 01:01:04.635
"and that a more sustainable
approach must be taken.
01:01:04.635 --> 01:01:06.927
"Thank you for your time and attention."
01:01:08.660 --> 01:01:10.793
Our next comment is from Eva Lindstrom.
01:01:11.937 --> 01:01:14.070
"Dear Public Utility Commission members,
01:01:14.070 --> 01:01:17.437
"Please deny PG&E's
option to exit bankruptcy
01:01:17.437 --> 01:01:18.287
"at your next vote,
01:01:18.287 --> 01:01:21.357
"and for all the damage
they have caused the state
01:01:21.357 --> 01:01:24.183
"through multiple safety
failures that led to wildfires
01:01:24.183 --> 01:01:26.357
"and the revelations that came to light
01:01:26.357 --> 01:01:28.653
"about their culture of
executive compensation
01:01:28.653 --> 01:01:31.077
"over compliance
with safety regulations,
01:01:31.077 --> 01:01:34.347
"PG&E should not be
allowed to continue operating
01:01:34.347 --> 01:01:35.854
"as a for profit utility.
01:01:35.854 --> 01:01:39.907
"I hope the CPUC will prioritize safety
01:01:39.907 --> 01:01:44.545
"and open up a new, safer
and environmentally meaningful
01:01:44.545 --> 01:01:47.299
"path forward for California's energy
01:01:47.299 --> 01:01:52.067
"by denying PG&E's request
to return to business as usual.
01:01:52.067 --> 01:01:55.456
"Thank you for your
public service, all the best."
01:01:55.456 --> 01:01:58.204
Our next comment is from Fred Morrison.
01:01:58.204 --> 01:02:02.123
"Please do not approve PG&E's
plan to get rid of bankruptcy,
01:02:03.187 --> 01:02:04.947
"get out of bankruptcy.
01:02:04.947 --> 01:02:07.587
"We will all be safer,
our air will be cleaner,
01:02:07.587 --> 01:02:10.357
"our utility bills will be less
if the state buys them out
01:02:10.357 --> 01:02:12.137
"and we have a public utility.
01:02:12.137 --> 01:02:14.097
"Then the needs of
our state will come first,
01:02:14.097 --> 01:02:15.747
"instead of shareholders' greed."
01:02:17.580 --> 01:02:19.480
Our next comment is from Claire Brass.
01:02:20.564 --> 01:02:23.457
"Dear President Batjer
and Commissioners,
01:02:23.457 --> 01:02:25.447
"this comment is about
the proposed decision
01:02:25.447 --> 01:02:30.017
"on the resource adequacy
proceeding, rule making 17-09-020.
01:02:32.185 --> 01:02:33.540
"I live in Berkeley, California
01:02:33.540 --> 01:02:36.827
"and pay a very
substantial electricity bill
01:02:36.827 --> 01:02:39.537
"to EBCE and PG&E.
01:02:39.537 --> 01:02:42.580
"I am also at the
Center of Public Health.
01:02:42.580 --> 01:02:46.777
"California needs one,
collaboration between investor owned
01:02:46.777 --> 01:02:49.265
"utilities and Community
Choice energies;
01:02:49.265 --> 01:02:52.200
"two, to meet our urgent climate goals;
01:02:52.200 --> 01:02:55.187
"and three, to keep our
ominously accelerating
01:02:55.187 --> 01:02:57.315
"electricity bills under control.
01:02:57.315 --> 01:03:00.747
"The proposed decision
goes entirely wrong direction
01:03:00.747 --> 01:03:02.911
"on all three of these issues.
01:03:02.911 --> 01:03:06.257
"It piles yet another
non-bypassable charge
01:03:06.257 --> 01:03:08.507
"on utility bills, which undermines
01:03:08.507 --> 01:03:11.679
"the Community Choice
movement and increases costs.
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.657
"Procurement and cost
allocation by the IOU
01:03:14.657 --> 01:03:17.497
"is likely to be non-transparent
and will continue
01:03:17.497 --> 01:03:22.497
"the adversarial interaction
between IOUs and CCAs.
01:03:23.417 --> 01:03:26.203
"As formal public
comments have documented,
01:03:26.203 --> 01:03:30.277
"central RA procurement
may well include fossil fuel
01:03:30.277 --> 01:03:32.987
"gas generation where
there are many renewable
01:03:32.987 --> 01:03:35.474
"energy alternatives,
including group shifting
01:03:35.474 --> 01:03:39.734
"and energy efficiency measures,
which can meet or needs.
01:03:39.734 --> 01:03:42.217
"Please reject this
decision and ask your staff
01:03:42.217 --> 01:03:44.717
"to come up with a
solution that contributes to
01:03:44.717 --> 01:03:46.023
"the collective, affordable
01:03:46.023 --> 01:03:48.337
"clean energy future for California."
01:03:50.092 --> 01:03:53.238
Our next comment is from Alec Patent.
01:03:53.238 --> 01:03:54.457
"Hello.
01:03:54.457 --> 01:03:57.707
"PG&E has proven again and
again that in its current form,
01:03:57.707 --> 01:04:00.077
"it is unable to put the
needs and the safety
01:04:00.077 --> 01:04:02.847
"of the communities that
it's meant to server first.
01:04:02.847 --> 01:04:05.447
"Its pursuit of profits is
endangering communities,
01:04:05.447 --> 01:04:08.990
"sublimating oversight
and delivering poor service.
01:04:08.990 --> 01:04:13.383
"Please reject the PG&E
plan unless it transitions PG&E
01:04:13.383 --> 01:04:17.337
"to being a public agency
and removes the profit motive.
01:04:17.337 --> 01:04:18.367
"All the best."
01:04:20.381 --> 01:04:23.497
Our next comment is from Igor Trigub.
01:04:24.770 --> 01:04:27.547
Okay, I apologize if I
mispronounced that.
01:04:27.547 --> 01:04:30.667
"I am a ratepayer in Alameda County.
01:04:30.667 --> 01:04:33.027
"You've heard for weeks
now how the PG&E plan
01:04:33.027 --> 01:04:35.257
"in front of you doesn't
work for ratepayers,
01:04:35.257 --> 01:04:38.220
"fire survivors, our
communities or the climate.
01:04:38.220 --> 01:04:40.597
"You have the power and responsibility
01:04:40.597 --> 01:04:43.567
"to build an energy system
that works for all of us
01:04:43.567 --> 01:04:46.657
"and our communities
and which have the answers
01:04:46.657 --> 01:04:48.577
"on how to build that system.
01:04:48.577 --> 01:04:50.527
"PG&E has proven time and time again,
01:04:50.527 --> 01:04:53.077
"from San Bruno to
Paradise, that our safety
01:04:53.077 --> 01:04:54.567
"is the least of their concerns,
01:04:54.567 --> 01:04:56.526
"and they will put profit over safety.
01:04:56.526 --> 01:04:59.547
"Please reject any
plan that bails out PG&E
01:04:59.547 --> 01:05:02.366
"and leaves ratepayers
once again holding the bag.
01:05:02.366 --> 01:05:05.637
"Until the profit motive is removed,
01:05:05.637 --> 01:05:08.387
"the energy grid will remain
unsafe for communities,
01:05:08.387 --> 01:05:10.930
"because the underlying
motivations remain the same.
01:05:10.930 --> 01:05:14.437
"Californians need a
transformational energy system
01:05:14.437 --> 01:05:17.469
"based on a clean,
decentralized energy model.
01:05:17.469 --> 01:05:20.527
"For profit utilities will
not prioritize clean energy
01:05:20.527 --> 01:05:23.617
"over profit or become decentralized.
01:05:23.617 --> 01:05:25.557
"On the other hand, public utilities
01:05:25.557 --> 01:05:29.437
"and Community Choice
aggregators can and must prioritize
01:05:29.437 --> 01:05:31.447
"clean energy, which
protects the planet,
01:05:31.447 --> 01:05:34.437
"and public utilities can
become decentralized,
01:05:34.437 --> 01:05:38.567
"preventing power from being transported
01:05:38.567 --> 01:05:40.743
"hundreds of miles on power lines.
01:05:40.743 --> 01:05:44.314
"Any deal must remove
profit from the power grid
01:05:44.314 --> 01:05:48.614
"and remove a bailout for
PG&E, and it must be rejected.
01:05:48.614 --> 01:05:51.477
"Please listen to our
communities and ratepayers
01:05:51.477 --> 01:05:54.057
"and send this proposal
back to the drawing board.
01:05:54.057 --> 01:05:56.737
"Thank you for your
consideration, respectfully."
01:05:57.767 --> 01:06:02.767
Our next comment is from
Sam Tunic, but I'm going to see
01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:06.940
if Michelle Cook could
take over for a second.
01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:08.720
I think my voice is
getting a little scratchy.
01:06:08.720 --> 01:06:10.770
I want people to be
able to hear clearly.
01:06:12.740 --> 01:06:14.168
Commissioners,
this is Michelle Cook,
01:06:14.168 --> 01:06:16.532
reading on behalf of the Public Advisor.
01:06:16.532 --> 01:06:20.643
The next caller is Sam Tunnick,
01:06:21.578 --> 01:06:24.260
or the next email is from Sam Tunnick,
01:06:24.260 --> 01:06:25.987
and the email reads,
"Dear Commissioners,
01:06:25.987 --> 01:06:29.357
"I am deeply concerned
about the prospect of PG&E
01:06:29.357 --> 01:06:31.577
"being permitted to exit bankruptcy
01:06:31.577 --> 01:06:33.337
"after the crimes against humanity
01:06:33.337 --> 01:06:34.997
"caused by their gross negligence
01:06:34.997 --> 01:06:36.892
"last year and the year before.
01:06:36.892 --> 01:06:40.257
"As an asthmatic resident
of Alameda County,
01:06:40.257 --> 01:06:42.997
"I don't trust PG&E
to protect my health.
01:06:42.997 --> 01:06:45.557
"Wildfires are natural,
but not at the scale
01:06:45.557 --> 01:06:48.853
"and frequency we've seen
in the past several years.
01:06:48.853 --> 01:06:53.357
"The for profit model of PG&E
causes them to raise rates
01:06:53.357 --> 01:06:56.372
"and neglect safety
in order to cut costs.
01:06:56.372 --> 01:06:59.647
"In this time of crisis,
what California needs
01:06:59.647 --> 01:07:01.947
"is a publicly owned utility system
01:07:01.947 --> 01:07:05.197
"that would prioritize the
safety and financial solvency
01:07:05.197 --> 01:07:08.513
"of ratepayers rather than
the profit of shareholders.
01:07:08.513 --> 01:07:10.935
"Sincerely, Sam Tunnick."
01:07:10.935 --> 01:07:14.293
The next email is from Brian Parkman.
01:07:15.197 --> 01:07:16.187
"Hello.
01:07:16.187 --> 01:07:17.937
"Commissioners, you've
heard for weeks now
01:07:17.937 --> 01:07:20.437
"how the PG&E plan in
front of you doesn't work for
01:07:20.437 --> 01:07:24.127
"ratepayers, fire survivors,
our communities or the climate.
01:07:24.127 --> 01:07:26.477
"You have the power
and responsibility to build
01:07:26.477 --> 01:07:28.587
"an energy system
that works for all of us,
01:07:28.587 --> 01:07:30.447
"and our communities have the answers
01:07:30.447 --> 01:07:32.782
"as to how to build that system.
01:07:32.782 --> 01:07:37.782
"PG&E has proven time and time again,
01:07:37.847 --> 01:07:39.547
"from San Bruno to Paradise,
01:07:39.547 --> 01:07:41.887
"that our safety is the
least of their concerns,
01:07:41.887 --> 01:07:44.636
"and that they will
put profits over safety.
01:07:44.636 --> 01:07:47.667
"Please reject any plan
which keeps in place
01:07:47.667 --> 01:07:49.497
"a for profit utility.
01:07:49.497 --> 01:07:51.317
"Until the profit motive is removed,
01:07:51.317 --> 01:07:54.487
"the energy grid will remain
unsafe for communities,
01:07:54.487 --> 01:07:57.263
"because the underlying
motivations remain the same.
01:07:58.487 --> 01:07:59.407
"Sincerely."
01:08:01.185 --> 01:08:04.503
The next email is from Katie Davis.
01:08:07.176 --> 01:08:11.517
"I oppose SoCal Gas
using ratepayer funds
01:08:11.517 --> 01:08:14.297
"to lobby against
local climate policies,
01:08:14.297 --> 01:08:17.767
"such as building
decarbonisation and electrification
01:08:17.767 --> 01:08:21.253
"reach code needed to meet
California's climate goals.
01:08:21.253 --> 01:08:24.767
"For instance, in Santa
Barbara, SoCal Gas lobbyists
01:08:24.767 --> 01:08:27.297
"attended the last
Sustainability Committee meeting
01:08:27.297 --> 01:08:29.627
"considering
electrification building code,
01:08:29.627 --> 01:08:32.117
"and has been lobbying
all the city council members
01:08:32.117 --> 01:08:34.858
"on the need for continued gas reliance.
01:08:34.858 --> 01:08:38.477
"I have also seen SoCal Gas spokespeople
01:08:38.477 --> 01:08:40.317
"speaking at other council meetings
01:08:40.317 --> 01:08:42.287
"in other cities on this issue.
01:08:42.287 --> 01:08:45.357
"It is inappropriate for SoCal
Gas to use ratepayer funds
01:08:45.357 --> 01:08:47.517
"to undermine city climate actions
01:08:47.517 --> 01:08:49.827
"needed to meet state goals.
01:08:49.827 --> 01:08:52.217
"Katie Davis, Goleta, California."
01:08:53.381 --> 01:08:56.467
The next email is from John Fennick.
01:08:56.467 --> 01:08:59.847
"Commissioners, please
reject the reorganization plan
01:08:59.847 --> 01:09:01.987
"for PG&E on the agenda today.
01:09:01.987 --> 01:09:05.157
"We need an energy system
that works for all Californians,
01:09:05.157 --> 01:09:08.962
"and as long as PG&E exists
as a for profit utility company,
01:09:08.962 --> 01:09:11.447
"it will fail to meet that standard.
01:09:11.447 --> 01:09:15.337
"After numerous deadly
wildfires accidents, shut offs
01:09:15.337 --> 01:09:17.356
"and subsequent
bailouts for the company,
01:09:17.356 --> 01:09:21.408
"we the people have lost
faith in the company as it exits.
01:09:21.408 --> 01:09:24.517
"There needs to be rigorous
independent oversight
01:09:24.517 --> 01:09:25.887
"for the utility.
01:09:25.887 --> 01:09:30.116
"Furthermore, only a
public utility, owned utility,
01:09:30.116 --> 01:09:33.227
"a publicly owned utility
can meet the moment
01:09:33.227 --> 01:09:36.397
"we are in where a Green
New Deal is desperately needed
01:09:36.397 --> 01:09:39.827
"to avoid the worst effects
of climate catastrophe.
01:09:39.827 --> 01:09:42.327
"California is supposed to
be the progressive leader
01:09:42.327 --> 01:09:44.727
"of the United States,
and a democratically run
01:09:44.727 --> 01:09:47.267
"and publicly owned
utility is the way to do it,
01:09:47.267 --> 01:09:50.417
"so please vote no on today's PG&E plan.
01:09:50.417 --> 01:09:51.937
"Thank you, John Fennick."
01:09:52.873 --> 01:09:56.798
The next email is from
Melissa Shune-Mallory.
01:09:56.798 --> 01:09:58.877
"Commissioners, you've
heard for weeks now
01:09:58.877 --> 01:10:01.187
"how the PG&E plan or
front view doesn't work
01:10:01.187 --> 01:10:03.177
"for ratepayers, fire survivors,
01:10:03.177 --> 01:10:04.872
"our communities or the climate.
01:10:04.872 --> 01:10:07.127
"You have the power and responsibility
01:10:07.127 --> 01:10:09.337
"to build an energy system
that works for all of us,
01:10:09.337 --> 01:10:10.847
"and our communities have the answers
01:10:10.847 --> 01:10:12.934
"as to how to build that system.
01:10:12.934 --> 01:10:15.527
"PG&E has proven time and time again,
01:10:15.527 --> 01:10:17.557
"from San Bruno to
Paradise, that our safety
01:10:17.557 --> 01:10:19.017
"is the least of their concerns,
01:10:19.017 --> 01:10:20.897
"and that they will
put profit over safety.
01:10:20.897 --> 01:10:23.787
"Please reject any plan
which keeps in place
01:10:23.787 --> 01:10:25.227
"a for profit utility.
01:10:25.227 --> 01:10:27.247
"Until the profit motive is removed,
01:10:27.247 --> 01:10:29.887
"the energy grid will remain
unsafe for communities,
01:10:29.887 --> 01:10:32.503
"because the underlying
motivations remain the same.
01:10:33.673 --> 01:10:35.773
"Furthermore, this plan,
01:10:38.797 --> 01:10:40.873
"unless it includes the following,
01:10:42.061 --> 01:10:44.663
"and then it says choose one below.
01:10:47.672 --> 01:10:51.617
"One, Californians need
true safety from utility caused
01:10:51.617 --> 01:10:53.187
"fires, smoke and shut off.
01:10:53.187 --> 01:10:56.207
"Any for profit plan
places profit over all else,
01:10:56.207 --> 01:10:59.387
"causing more fires like the
Camp Fire and more shut offs,
01:10:59.387 --> 01:11:02.627
"because money, which should
have gone to ensure safety,
01:11:02.627 --> 01:11:06.207
"instead goes to line the
pockets of the shareholders.
01:11:06.207 --> 01:11:08.321
"Two, ratepayers needs to be protected.
01:11:08.321 --> 01:11:10.865
"Any for profit utilities
must make profit
01:11:10.865 --> 01:11:12.957
"and continue to increase rates,
01:11:12.957 --> 01:11:16.057
"whereas a public agency is
not obligated to make profits,
01:11:16.057 --> 01:11:19.771
"continually increasing
financial burdens of ratepayers.
01:11:19.771 --> 01:11:22.297
"Three, customers need
rigorous independent,
01:11:22.297 --> 01:11:24.447
"democratic oversight
of their utilities.
01:11:24.447 --> 01:11:26.877
"This cannot truly happen
when utilities are run
01:11:26.877 --> 01:11:30.049
"for profit, beholden and
answering to shareholders.
01:11:30.049 --> 01:11:32.857
"A public utility which
answers to regular people
01:11:32.857 --> 01:11:36.781
"and ratepayers can be
democratically and transparently run.
01:11:36.781 --> 01:11:41.087
"Four, California needs a
transformational energy system
01:11:41.087 --> 01:11:44.097
"based on a clean,
decentralized energy model.
01:11:44.097 --> 01:11:46.704
"For profit utilities will
not prioritize clean energy
01:11:46.704 --> 01:11:49.247
"over profit or become decentralized.
01:11:49.247 --> 01:11:52.927
"On the other hand, public
utilities can and must prioritize
01:11:52.927 --> 01:11:55.107
"clean energy, which
protects the planet,
01:11:55.107 --> 01:11:57.717
"and public utilities can
become decentralized,
01:11:57.717 --> 01:11:59.897
"preventing power from being transported
01:11:59.897 --> 01:12:01.774
"hundreds of miles on power lines.
01:12:01.774 --> 01:12:05.277
"Any deal must remove
profits from our power grid,
01:12:05.277 --> 01:12:06.567
"or it must be rejected.
01:12:06.567 --> 01:12:07.627
"Warm regards."
01:12:09.156 --> 01:12:13.513
That concludes the emails
that were received before 10 am.
01:12:14.530 --> 01:12:15.630
Thank you, Michelle.
01:12:17.113 --> 01:12:20.131
I also wanted to note
we did receive some emails
01:12:20.131 --> 01:12:23.560
past 10 o'clock, and I
will share all of those
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.708
with the Commissioners, thank you.
01:12:26.708 --> 01:12:31.163
Thank you, Public Advisor
Brown, and thank you,
01:12:32.320 --> 01:12:33.620
Michelle, for stepping in.
01:12:33.620 --> 01:12:34.470
I appreciate it.
01:12:34.470 --> 01:12:38.177
I understand that we have
one final caller on the line.
01:12:38.177 --> 01:12:43.177
Either the operator or
Robert, can you join that call
01:12:43.530 --> 01:12:45.603
so we can hear the comment?
01:12:47.030 --> 01:12:50.314
Yes, our next
caller is Michael Aguirre
01:12:50.314 --> 01:12:52.778
from Aguirre & Severson.
01:12:52.778 --> 01:12:56.570
Thank you very
much, thank you very much.
01:12:56.570 --> 01:13:01.240
President Batjer, we
could hear your frustration
01:13:02.120 --> 01:13:04.144
when you couldn't communicate,
01:13:04.144 --> 01:13:08.310
and you said that
people were saying that
01:13:08.310 --> 01:13:12.323
they couldn't hear you, and
that's how many of us feel.
01:13:13.430 --> 01:13:15.560
We feel like we don't
even speak your language,
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.057
we're not even speaking
the same language,
01:13:18.057 --> 01:13:20.403
we don't have the same values.
01:13:21.365 --> 01:13:24.100
You said that you are concerned about
01:13:24.100 --> 01:13:25.304
ex parte communications,
01:13:25.304 --> 01:13:29.217
but how about all the
communications that PG&E
01:13:29.217 --> 01:13:31.902
runs through the Governor's office,
01:13:31.902 --> 01:13:33.470
and then from the Governor's office
01:13:33.470 --> 01:13:34.834
over to the Commissioners?
01:13:34.834 --> 01:13:37.320
How about those ex parte communications,
01:13:37.320 --> 01:13:40.066
because those are ones
that really seem to have
01:13:40.066 --> 01:13:45.066
a great deal of impact, and I
wish that your sense of values
01:13:46.592 --> 01:13:51.592
would be induced or
triggered about the way in which
01:13:54.100 --> 01:13:56.207
PG&E works its will.
01:13:56.207 --> 01:13:59.509
One last thing I'd like to
ask the Commissioners to do.
01:13:59.509 --> 01:14:03.185
Right now, in the city of
San Francisco, we have
01:14:03.185 --> 01:14:08.185
an amazingly honest and
strong federal judge, Judge Alsop.
01:14:10.043 --> 01:14:15.043
Judge Alsop has just deposed
four new conditions on PG&E.
01:14:15.970 --> 01:14:16.840
This sounds kind of strange.
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.678
PG&E is a convicted
felon, they're on probation
01:14:19.678 --> 01:14:22.069
and they now have four new conditions,
01:14:22.069 --> 01:14:25.638
and PG&E has just
filed massive documents,
01:14:25.638 --> 01:14:29.870
saying that what Judge Alsop's
doing, and those conditions
01:14:29.870 --> 01:14:32.460
are pretty straightforward
and consistent
01:14:32.460 --> 01:14:35.340
with General Order 95,
but PG&E's saying that
01:14:35.340 --> 01:14:38.900
it's interfering with
what the CUPC is doing
01:14:38.900 --> 01:14:41.700
in terms of trying to regulate PG&E.
01:14:41.700 --> 01:14:44.020
Would you please consider it,
01:14:44.020 --> 01:14:45.160
I'm not asking you to do it today,
01:14:45.160 --> 01:14:48.170
but would you please
consider putting on your agenda
01:14:49.080 --> 01:14:52.336
an item to support Judge Alsop,
01:14:52.336 --> 01:14:56.850
because Judge Alsop is
aimed at trying to stop the fires,
01:14:56.850 --> 01:15:01.020
not put more money into
PG&E so that they can figure out
01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:02.020
how to pay more claims.
01:15:02.020 --> 01:15:03.730
So anyway, please consider that
01:15:03.730 --> 01:15:07.772
and please consider how
frustrating this for the rest of us,
01:15:07.772 --> 01:15:11.012
for us not to be heard
and for you not to really pay
01:15:11.012 --> 01:15:16.012
heed to our legitimate and
heartfelt communications to you
01:15:17.510 --> 01:15:22.510
about PG&E and just how
dangerous business as usual is
01:15:24.630 --> 01:15:27.233
for all the good people
of California, thank you.
01:15:29.250 --> 01:15:30.970
Thanks, Mr. Aguirre.
01:15:30.970 --> 01:15:33.220
Operator, is there anyone else?
01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:34.870
I think that was our last caller.
01:15:36.023 --> 01:15:37.910
There are
no additional callers
01:15:37.910 --> 01:15:39.210
in the queue at this time.
01:15:40.510 --> 01:15:42.790
Okay, we have
no additional callers,
01:15:42.790 --> 01:15:44.781
and we have no additional emails,
01:15:44.781 --> 01:15:48.820
other than those that Public
Advisor Brown had mentioned
01:15:48.820 --> 01:15:51.716
that will be distributed to
all of the Commissioners,
01:15:51.716 --> 01:15:55.093
so that closes the
public comment period.
01:16:06.240 --> 01:16:09.192
We'll now take up the agenda changes,
01:16:09.192 --> 01:16:13.783
the held and withdrawn
items on the agenda.
01:16:14.947 --> 01:16:17.993
I'll now read the whole list.
01:16:18.870 --> 01:16:21.300
As I mentioned earlier
in my opening remarks,
01:16:21.300 --> 01:16:26.300
item nine is held to the
May 28th, 2020 meeting.
01:16:26.788 --> 01:16:31.296
That is the only item on the
hold and withdrawn list today.
01:16:31.296 --> 01:16:35.160
I will now take up the consent items.
01:16:35.160 --> 01:16:36.518
Is there a motion?
01:16:36.518 --> 01:16:39.117
So moved.
So moved.
01:16:40.410 --> 01:16:42.410
It's been
moved and seconded.
01:16:42.410 --> 01:16:44.480
For the consent agenda items.
01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:46.730
Agenda Clerk, could
you please call the roll?
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:51.487
For the consent items,
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:16:51.487 --> 01:16:53.243
Aye.
01:16:53.243 --> 01:16:55.093
Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:16:55.930 --> 01:16:57.120
Aye.
01:16:57.120 --> 01:16:59.530
Commissioner Randolph.
01:16:59.530 --> 01:17:00.615
Aye.
01:17:00.615 --> 01:17:02.555
Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
01:17:02.555 --> 01:17:03.904
Aye.
01:17:03.904 --> 01:17:05.603
President Batjer.
01:17:05.603 --> 01:17:07.150
Aye.
01:17:07.150 --> 01:17:07.983
Thank you.
01:17:07.983 --> 01:17:11.391
The consent agenda items
have been passed unanimously.
01:17:11.391 --> 01:17:15.349
Now, move to the regular agenda items.
01:17:15.349 --> 01:17:17.258
We are going to be skipping that
01:17:17.258 --> 01:17:21.113
to go to the management report,
01:17:22.042 --> 01:17:26.600
and there is no report for item 10,
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:28.520
which is the Report and Discussion
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.418
on Recent Consumer
Protections and Safety Activities,
01:17:31.418 --> 01:17:34.425
and there's no report for item 11,
01:17:34.425 --> 01:17:38.396
which is the Management
Report on Administrative Activities,
01:17:38.396 --> 01:17:41.574
so we will move on to
the next agenda item.
01:17:41.574 --> 01:17:43.630
That is the Commissioners Report.
01:17:43.630 --> 01:17:47.238
We will now have the
Commissioners Report,
01:17:47.238 --> 01:17:49.650
and who would like to go first?
01:17:49.650 --> 01:17:51.540
Commissioner Shiroma, I
think you have some remarks
01:17:51.540 --> 01:17:53.149
you'd like to make.
01:17:53.149 --> 01:17:56.191
I do, thank you,
President Batjer.
01:17:56.191 --> 01:17:57.387
I have two items.
01:17:57.387 --> 01:18:02.387
The first is that tomorrow,
Friday 22nd at 1:30 pm,
01:18:03.476 --> 01:18:07.817
my office will be hosting an
all party meeting regarding
01:18:07.817 --> 01:18:12.620
the California Alternative
Rates for Energy Program.
01:18:12.620 --> 01:18:14.690
We refer to it as the CARE Program.
01:18:14.690 --> 01:18:16.420
It's the discount program
01:18:16.420 --> 01:18:19.740
for low income
individuals and households.
01:18:19.740 --> 01:18:22.933
The meeting will be focused
on gathering information
01:18:22.933 --> 01:18:26.076
regarding program outreach
and education efforts
01:18:26.076 --> 01:18:30.851
by the investor owned utilities
for increasing enrollment
01:18:30.851 --> 01:18:34.670
into the CARE Program,
and the is especially
01:18:34.670 --> 01:18:37.443
essential right now during the pandemic,
01:18:37.443 --> 01:18:41.091
when a lot of people are out of work
01:18:41.091 --> 01:18:44.060
and applying for unemployment.
01:18:44.060 --> 01:18:47.600
A number of you Commissioners
will be able to participate,
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:48.963
and that will be great.
01:18:49.900 --> 01:18:54.380
The major utilities will
also be participating.
01:18:54.380 --> 01:18:58.832
You will hear for PG&E,
Southern California Edison,
01:18:58.832 --> 01:19:02.320
San Diego Gas & Electric and SoCal Gas
01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:07.070
on their share out
efforts, and you'll also hear
01:19:07.070 --> 01:19:10.070
from water utilities,
other stakeholders,
01:19:10.070 --> 01:19:13.947
such as Liberty Utilities, the
California Water Association,
01:19:13.947 --> 01:19:15.969
the Public Advocate's office,
01:19:15.969 --> 01:19:19.208
California Community
of Choice Association
01:19:19.208 --> 01:19:22.037
and the Center for
Accessible Technology,
01:19:22.037 --> 01:19:26.330
and anybody who would like to listen in,
01:19:26.330 --> 01:19:27.964
participate or what have you,
01:19:27.964 --> 01:19:32.964
you can find a link at
www.cpuc.ca.gov/calevent,
01:19:38.240 --> 01:19:42.955
and that's one word, calevent, calevent,
01:19:42.955 --> 01:19:44.820
and that will take you to our calendar
01:19:44.820 --> 01:19:48.720
and you can click on
the link for tomorrow's
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:50.930
all party at 1:30.
01:19:50.930 --> 01:19:54.550
Second item is I just wanted to
take a moment to acknowledge
01:19:54.550 --> 01:19:56.575
the passing of David Freeman last week.
01:19:56.575 --> 01:20:01.270
Mr. Freeman paid a
significant role in shaping
01:20:01.270 --> 01:20:05.681
the California and
national energy policy.
01:20:05.681 --> 01:20:10.681
He was SMUD General
Manager prior to my tenure.
01:20:10.710 --> 01:20:14.348
He was the General
Manager in the early 1990s
01:20:14.348 --> 01:20:19.348
and he set a path for SMUD
coming out of the closure
01:20:21.190 --> 01:20:23.713
of the Rancho Seco Nuclear Power Plant,
01:20:23.713 --> 01:20:26.849
a 900 megawatt nuclear power plant
01:20:26.849 --> 01:20:29.291
that was shut down by
the vote of the people.
01:20:29.291 --> 01:20:34.291
He was hired to take it
to its next incarnation,
01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:40.217
I would say, and that
included clean energy
01:20:40.217 --> 01:20:45.217
and conservation, a very
massive conservation effort,
01:20:46.068 --> 01:20:50.837
incentivizing customers
to let go of old refrigerators
01:20:50.837 --> 01:20:55.837
and to invest in more efficient
appliances, and so forth.
01:20:57.637 --> 01:21:02.637
He was a longtime
advocate, many decades.
01:21:03.890 --> 01:21:08.458
Many of us know him,
knew him, had crossed paths.
01:21:08.458 --> 01:21:13.458
The last time that I had an in
depth conversation with him,
01:21:14.630 --> 01:21:18.372
it was actually a few years
ago when he had turned 90.
01:21:18.372 --> 01:21:21.099
We were having a public meeting at SMUD,
01:21:21.099 --> 01:21:26.099
talking about various
ideas for future investments,
01:21:27.367 --> 01:21:31.338
a multi-year effort on an
integrated resource plan.
01:21:31.338 --> 01:21:35.530
He showed up after his 90th
birthday party somewhere else
01:21:35.530 --> 01:21:39.530
downtown Sacramento to tell us
01:21:39.530 --> 01:21:42.299
that we shouldn't rest on our laurels.
01:21:42.299 --> 01:21:47.035
You know, SMUD has
had a deserved reputation
01:21:47.035 --> 01:21:52.020
for investing in renewable
energy and lowering
01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:54.380
greenhouse gasses and so
on and so forth, but he said,
01:21:54.380 --> 01:21:55.770
don't rest on your laurels,
01:21:55.770 --> 01:21:57.998
you've got to do more,
you've got to stay hungry.
01:21:57.998 --> 01:22:01.916
And he said, you've got to be audacious.
01:22:01.916 --> 01:22:04.780
Look at the City of Sacramento
01:22:04.780 --> 01:22:08.715
becoming an all electric
city, built by 2035.
01:22:08.715 --> 01:22:13.715
Now (laughs) in the last
integrated resource plan,
01:22:14.843 --> 01:22:16.747
that SMUD did adopt,
01:22:16.747 --> 01:22:21.747
there is a very aggressive
electrification feature to it,
01:22:23.110 --> 01:22:25.929
and I think that Mr. Freeman
01:22:25.929 --> 01:22:29.080
had some influence there on that,
01:22:29.080 --> 01:22:32.530
so he clearly left his mark.
01:22:32.530 --> 01:22:37.530
He was tireless in his
pursuit for clean energy,
01:22:38.532 --> 01:22:41.950
and we will miss him very much.
01:22:41.950 --> 01:22:42.783
Thank you.
01:22:45.070 --> 01:22:47.190
Thank you,
Commissioner Shiroma.
01:22:47.190 --> 01:22:48.670
Do any of the other Commissioners
01:22:48.670 --> 01:22:52.283
want to report at this time?
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:55.367
Yes, Commissioner Guzman Aceves.
01:22:59.810 --> 01:23:01.670
Thank you, President Batjer.
01:23:01.670 --> 01:23:03.200
I had a couple of updates
01:23:03.200 --> 01:23:06.285
I know that I have
shared with you previously
01:23:06.285 --> 01:23:09.140
on what was brought in from our
01:23:09.140 --> 01:23:12.190
California Advanced
Service Fund applications,
01:23:12.190 --> 01:23:13.960
but I wanted to take the opportunity
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.592
to update the public on this fund.
01:23:16.592 --> 01:23:19.300
As you know, California
Advanced Service Fund
01:23:19.300 --> 01:23:24.300
is the broadband
infrastructure funding program
01:23:24.460 --> 01:23:27.410
that the legislature
authorized a few years ago.
01:23:27.410 --> 01:23:32.410
In this latest round, we
received 54 applications,
01:23:33.719 --> 01:23:38.549
totaling over a request
of over 520 million.
01:23:38.549 --> 01:23:43.019
Obviously, the fund
does not currently have
01:23:43.019 --> 01:23:47.020
that much funding, so we
are going through an exercise
01:23:47.020 --> 01:23:50.540
of prioritizing the
projects and seeing how
01:23:50.540 --> 01:23:54.893
we can also leverage
federal funding for the projects
01:23:54.893 --> 01:23:57.599
that are eligible for
that federal funding.
01:23:57.599 --> 01:24:00.890
And just to give a
reflection that, you know,
01:24:00.890 --> 01:24:05.126
the need will continue past
the exhaustion of this funding.
01:24:05.126 --> 01:24:10.126
If the total applications
were funded completely,
01:24:10.610 --> 01:24:13.260
which as I mentioned,
we're not capable of doing,
01:24:13.260 --> 01:24:18.260
it would serve an additional
22,239 households,
01:24:18.853 --> 01:24:21.360
so we're really getting to, you know,
01:24:21.360 --> 01:24:24.775
the last stretch of
servicing California.
01:24:24.775 --> 01:24:29.775
And we know that we have,
depending on the speeds,
01:24:30.240 --> 01:24:35.240
of course, but we have 672,000
plus households in California
01:24:37.190 --> 01:24:40.640
that still need this high
speed infrastructure.
01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:45.010
So, just a final reflection
that there were about
01:24:45.010 --> 01:24:48.440
22,000 that we could
do if we were able to fund
01:24:48.440 --> 01:24:49.840
all of these projects.
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.370
We're not able to fund
all these projects, and yet,
01:24:52.370 --> 01:24:55.766
we know the need is over
to the 673,000 houses,
01:24:55.766 --> 01:25:00.766
so we are in a bit of a
conundrum, but we will be doing
01:25:02.170 --> 01:25:05.994
our best in trying to
optimize these funds.
01:25:05.994 --> 01:25:08.768
I just wanted to give
a quick update there.
01:25:08.768 --> 01:25:12.180
Also, I did want to update everyone
01:25:12.180 --> 01:25:14.433
that I have a new staff member,
01:25:14.433 --> 01:25:18.439
I have new Senior
Telecommunications Advisor,
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:20.620
Stephanie Crestein,
01:25:20.620 --> 01:25:23.269
who will be based out
of the Sacramento office,
01:25:23.269 --> 01:25:26.463
if we can be based out
of anywhere nowadays.
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.070
Stephanie brings two decades of
01:25:30.070 --> 01:25:31.837
network deployment experience
01:25:31.837 --> 01:25:35.397
with numerous telecommunications
companies in California
01:25:35.397 --> 01:25:37.361
and other western states.
01:25:37.361 --> 01:25:41.600
Most recently, her roles
included product managing
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.302
third party telecommunications
attachments for PG&E.
01:25:45.302 --> 01:25:48.080
Stephanie holds a
Bachelors of Arts degree
01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:50.034
in sociology from UCLA.
01:25:50.034 --> 01:25:53.631
She was trained in mediation
by the McGeorge School of Law,
01:25:53.631 --> 01:25:56.230
and she's also studying
to become an integrative
01:25:56.230 --> 01:25:59.206
health and wellness coach
with integrated medicine.
01:25:59.206 --> 01:26:03.572
She lives in Sacramento with
her spouse and two children.
01:26:03.572 --> 01:26:07.440
So please help me in
welcoming Stephanie.
01:26:07.440 --> 01:26:08.273
Thank you.
01:26:08.273 --> 01:26:09.993
Terrific, welcome, Stephanie!
01:26:13.660 --> 01:26:16.530
Any other reports from
the Commissioners?
01:26:16.530 --> 01:26:18.860
Yes, Commissioner Rechtschaffen.
01:26:19.850 --> 01:26:23.560
I wanted to tell people
that this afternoon
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.830
at four o'clock, San
Diego Gas & Electric
01:26:26.830 --> 01:26:29.039
is going to be holding
a community meeting,
01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.439
a virtual meeting, of course, on Skype
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.585
about its application to extend
01:26:34.585 --> 01:26:36.980
its Power Your Drive program.
01:26:36.980 --> 01:26:40.240
This is a program that
is being implemented
01:26:40.240 --> 01:26:42.381
to install vehicle chargers.
01:26:42.381 --> 01:26:46.560
Their proposal is to install
an additional 2,000 additional
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:50.833
chargers in public buildings,
condominiums and workplaces.
01:26:50.833 --> 01:26:54.010
I'll be participating
along with our staff
01:26:54.010 --> 01:26:58.070
and SGE's staff, so we
welcome community participation.
01:26:58.070 --> 01:27:00.295
Again, it's four to six on Skype.
01:27:00.295 --> 01:27:03.350
You can look on SGE's webpage
01:27:03.350 --> 01:27:05.483
to find out more information about that.
01:27:06.998 --> 01:27:10.767
Terrific, great,
thank you, Cliff.
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Commissioner Randolph, do
you have any comments to make?
01:27:14.094 --> 01:27:15.863
No, thank you.
01:27:15.863 --> 01:27:16.696
Okay.
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:21.160
Thank you all, Commissioners,
appreciate it very much.
01:27:21.160 --> 01:27:23.230
Those were very nice words,
Commissioner Shiroma,
01:27:23.230 --> 01:27:24.410
regarding Mr. Freeman.
01:27:24.410 --> 01:27:25.723
Thank you for that.
01:27:25.723 --> 01:27:30.723
With that, our Commission
meeting is now adjourned.