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(gavel banging)
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We wanna welcome everyone
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to our State Board of Education meeting here
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for January 2020.
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And this is always our most exciting day of the week
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because we have all of y'all with us today.
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It's so good to see everyone here.
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We're gonna begin the meeting
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with our student performance
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and I am gonna call on Donna Bahorich
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to introduce our group.
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Good morning.
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It's my distinct honor and pleasure
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to introduce our student performance today
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and it's the chamber orchestra
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from Spring Branch ISD.
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It's the varsity string orchestra
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at Memorial Middle School
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under the director, Megan Saavedra
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and Bethany Prindle.
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The chamber orchestra's comprised
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of the most advanced players in the program.
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21 of the 32 students in the orchestra
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are here performing for you today.
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They will perform the "Korean Folk Song Variants"
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by Elliot Del Borgo.
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Thank you for inviting.
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We really appreciate you coming
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and performing for us today.
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We're really excited you're here.
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("Korean Folk Song Variants" by Elliot Del Borgo)
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(audience applauding)
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Again, thank you for coming
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and I'd like to just present this certificate.
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And if Megan Saavedra and Bethany Prindle
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would come forward,
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I'd like to give you this little recognition
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for coming today.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Sure.
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Thank you so much.
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(audience applauding)
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(audience speaking indistinctly)
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And I am now going to call on Ms. Barbara Cargill
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for the invocation.
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Okay, good morning.
Good morning.
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We'll have our invocation.
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And I chose a Bible verse
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that is very near and dear to my heart
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and I'm sure it is to many of you.
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And so I'd like to start by reading this.
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And I'm gonna speak a little bit loud
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since we have activity going on.
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It's Proverbs 3:5 and 6, which is:
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Trust in the Lord with all your heart
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and lean not on your own understanding;
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in all your ways acknowledge him,
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and he shall direct your paths.
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Proverbs 3:5 and 6.
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On the State Board of Education we're very into verbs.
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And so the verbs here are
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trust, lean and acknowledge.
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And so I think we all know what trust means
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but the verb that kinda threw me
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and the phrase that threw me is,
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"Lean not on your own understanding."
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And so I thought, "What does that really mean?"
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And when we think about it
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it's just another way of saying
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that we need to live by faith.
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And that's easy to say but it's hard to do.
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So we know that in the Bible that Daniel
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was leaning not on his own understanding
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when he was led to the pit
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to spend the night with hungry lions.
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And we know that Abraham
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was not leaning on his own understanding
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when he was walking up that mountain
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to offer a sacrifice to God.
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And to apply it to us
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we can't lean on our own understanding
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when a loved one is suddenly taken from us.
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And we can't lean on our own understanding
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when there is violence in our schools or community.
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It doesn't make sense.
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We can't understand that.
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And the list could go on and on.
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And so by trusting in God
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and relying on our understanding
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and acknowledging him,
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it means that we have to pursue
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God's will for our life.
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And we have to do things God's way
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instead of our way.
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Because we won't ever understand.
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And so by living in faith and by trusting in him
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we don't have to lean on our understanding
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because we have the faith
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that he's gonna work out good in every situation
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even if we can't see it ourselves.
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So let's pray.
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So Heavenly Father,
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we know that you love us.
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And that you know us better
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than we even know ourselves.
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Help us to fully be the person
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that you intend us to be
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and that you made us to be.
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And we ask that you would stamp
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Proverbs 3:5 and 6 on our hearts
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and in our souls and minds
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so that we can live it every day.
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Help us to lean, today, not on our understanding
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but on your understanding
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as we make important decisions
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that will affect every child in our state.
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Father, please direct our paths
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in wisdom and understanding.
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And we pray in your name.
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Amen.
Amen.
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So if you'll rise for the pledges.
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The flags are this direction.
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So we'll start with the pledge
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to the United States Flag.
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I pledge allegiance to the Flag
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of the United States of America,
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and to the Republic for which it stands,
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one Nation under God, indivisible,
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with liberty and justice for all.
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And now the pledge to the Texas Flag.
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Honor the Texas Flag;
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I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas,
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one state under God,
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one and indivisible.
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Thank you.
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Thank you Ms. Cargill.
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We will next call on Ms. Debbie Ratcliffe
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for the roll call.
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Ms. Perez.
Present.
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Mr. Cortez.
Present.
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Ms. Perez-Diaz.
Present.
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Mr. Allen.
Present.
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Mr. Mercer.
Present.
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Mrs. Bahorich.
Present.
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Dr. Robinson.
Present.
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Mrs. Cargill.
Here.
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Mr. Maynard.
Here.
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Ms. Hardy.
Here.
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Mrs. Little.
Here.
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Ms. Davis.
Here.
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Mrs. Melton-Malone.
Here.
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Mr. Rowley.
Here.
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Dr. Ellis.
Here.
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All right, thank you Debbie.
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Next we'll move to the resolutions and presentations.
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And our first award will be presented to the
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Milken National Educator Award Recipient.
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And I'm gonna call on Ms. Gina Perez.
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Good morning.
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I wanna say first welcome
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to all of our esteemed CTSO representatives
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and student organizations.
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Thank you so much for being here.
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We have a hefty lift this morning
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of proclamations and student recipients
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and their leadership organizations.
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So let's get right to it.
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The first one that we're going to present this morning is
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the Texan Milken Coordinator.
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If Ms. Gabriela Duran-Lara
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would please join me here at the podium with Dr. Ellis
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for the presentation.
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Good morning, my name is Dr. Gabriela Duran-Lara
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and I am proud to be here.
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Good morning board.
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Today, we are here to present the 2019 Milken Award
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for our 2019 recipient.
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But first I would like to share with you
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a little bit more about the Milken Award.
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The Milken Award for the last 30 years
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has been known to be the Oscars of teaching.
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It is an initiative of the Milken Family Foundation
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who have rewarded and inspired excellence
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in the world of education
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by honoring the 1% of educators around the country
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with $25,000.
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In addition to district, state
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and national-level recognition.
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In addition, a membership
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at the National Milken Educator Network
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which includes a group of more than 2,700
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top 1% educators, principals and specialists
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dedicated to strengthening education.
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Our 2019 Milken recipient is an educator
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who lives by the motto of whatever it takes
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to ensure that students succeed
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not only in her classroom
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but she prepares them for success beyond
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after they leave her classroom.
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She is a master teacher
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who constantly challenges students to exceed expectations
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and to be lifelong learners
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along with building pride of their native language
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and heritage.
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In her time at J.L. Long Middle School in Dallas ISD
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she has built capacity
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as a dual language instructional leader
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by supporting other secondary dual language teachers
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with program implementation,
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leading profession development
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and in an effort to impact student success.
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And she provides mentorship to new teachers
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among other things,
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she writes dual-language curriculum for Dallas ISD.
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Susan Moreno has established the Long Middle School's
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dual-language committee, which she chairs.
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Today it is my honor to present to you
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our 2019 Milken Educator Award recipient,
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Susan Moreno.
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(audience applauding)
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Congratulations.
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Come on in here.
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And now our recipient, Dr., Mrs.?
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Susan Moreno.
Susan Moreno from Dallas ISD
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has a few remarks.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much Dr. Duran-Lara
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and the State Board of Education
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for inviting me here today to receive
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this very special award.
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And now when I see it, a very breakable award too
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so I'll probably put it up high
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so my kids don't break it.
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When I began to consider becoming an educator
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never would I have thought
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that I would be accepting
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such a prestigious award like this,
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not only from the state
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but let alone from Milken Foundation.
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I became a teacher not because,
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or because I felt the need to share my experience
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of being a biracial, bi-cultural and bilingual person.
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Growing up, education was a very important topic
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in my household, being taught the value of education
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and the doors that it would open to my future.
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This pushed me to explore my need to teach others.
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I never knew I wanted to be a teacher.
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But there were all these hidden signs throughout my life
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that led me to a moment in elementary school
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in Bentonville, Arkansas, where I grew up.
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I learned about the passion teach others
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when my mom came to my school
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to teach my classmates how to sing:
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(sings in a foreign language).
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And my students feeling,
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my friends and my classmates feeling very
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they're very excited and they were like,
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"Wow, you know a second language."
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It wasn't very common in Arkansas at that time
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to have a bilingual person around
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besides, you know, it was me.
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In middle school, I studied abroad in sixth grade
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where I got the privilege to study in Peru for a year
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where I got to live with my family.
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I traveled, I studied in a second language.
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Later on, also in middle school
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I also developed my social skills
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by visiting nursing homes and talking to elders
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about their life experiences.
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Later on in high school
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I was recommended by my counselors
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and AP Spanish teacher to a mother
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who wanted to hire a student
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to teach her four-year-old child
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to learn Spanish.
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And I was hired by her
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and I taught her daughter for many weeks.
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Later on in college,
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I worked as a student worker position
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at the Latino office at the University of Arkansas
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that gave me the experience to lead and unify
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multiple latino student organizations
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to work together for our common goal,
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which was promoting connections
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between our different cultures
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through our shared language, Spanish.
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Before I became a teacher
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I was initially on the path of
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going into the medical field
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when a personal experience lit a spark and ignited
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a flame that was within me:
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a never-ending and burning desire to teach.
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I realized that I wanted to help kids to understand,
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how to learn, to help them build relationships
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and to trust themselves
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and also foster a sense of curiosity
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on wanting to learn more.
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I love teaching,
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from the day that I started.
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Mostly because of its uncertainties
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because of the challenges that it does provide us
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and the challenges our students face.
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Just like my Frida Kahlo puzzle
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that I have yet to finish at home
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all the pieces are different
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and in different ways they are also the same.
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Just like our students.
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I love teaching for those aha moments.
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That moment when clarity, when the student says,
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"I get it, I understand.
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"I want to learn more."
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Those are the moments that I go for.
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Those are the moments that I teach for.
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And also because of being a world language
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and dual language teacher
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this has given me all of the moments and more.
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My students are proud of being
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a bi-literate, a bilingual and a bi-cultural student.
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I wanna take the moment to thank my supportive family
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who is also here with me today.
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My mom, who with her never-ending life lessons
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and today life lesson of
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learning to slow down when I talk
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and take a deep breath.
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With my sons and my husband for being super supportive
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of me going back to college,
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finishing and starting my teaching career,
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thank you very much for being there
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and helping me grade my papers when I needed help.
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Thank you to very much for my colleagues at work
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who are not here with me today
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but I do have some who shared this moment with me today.
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Thank you very much for coming.
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I would also to thank all my teachers of the past,
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Sugar Creek Elementary, Apple Glen Elementary,
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Washington Junior High, Bentonville High School
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and the University of Arkansas MAT Program
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to help me prepare and get me to where I am today.
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A huge thank you to Texas
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for letting me come here,
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move from Arkansas to Texas
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to be able to teach here
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and teach in Dallas ISD at J.L. Long Middle School.
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I would like to thank Danielle Petters
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who is the principal who gave me the opportunity to teach
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not only Spanish but dual language
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and it was the initiative program at our school
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that she let me lead six years ago.
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Thank you to our current principle Ms. Barnett
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and Mr. Cardenas for their constant support of our program
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and its growing initiative.
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And I would also like to thank Belinda Moran
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who is our bilingual specialist
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for helping secondary dual language
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succeed in Dallas ISD.
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And especially to all my preciosos
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who I call them my precious students
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who have walked in and out of my classroom
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over the last six years.
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I wanna thank them as well for,
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for inspiring me to be the teacher that I am today.
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This award is mostly dedicated to them
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and their inspirations of moving me forward
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and them moving themselves.
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And last, but definitely not least,
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I wanna say a huge gracias, thank you
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to the Milken Foundation
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for this prestigious award of $25,000
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and the recognition that goes with it.
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It all still feels very surreal,
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I'm still shaking right now.
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You have given me an even greater voice
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to speak up for language acquisition and dual language.
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Because being bilingual or even multi-lingual
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would create open mindedness in our students and our world
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will promote a more global citizen.
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I can now set goals that I would've never imagined
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goals that will spread from students to schools
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to districts and across the state.
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Thank you again for this great opportunity
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and special honor.
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(speaks in a foreign language)
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(audience applauding)
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Come on in.
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Did we take off all of the fingerprints?
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Yeah, my mom is here.
Congratulations.
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Thank you very much.
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Next we have the resolutions for
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the Presidential Awards for Excellence
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in Mathematics and Science Teaching.
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There are three individuals
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that we'll be calling up next.
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I'm sorry, three resolutions
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and we have them for the 2019 finalists,
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the 2018 awardees and 2017 awardees.
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I'm going to call you all up in order if,
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or you're already coming up, thank you.
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(audience laughs)
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Amy Edmondson and Markaela van Putten
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that is with member Donna Bahorich.
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Ms. Bridget Matamoros with member Sue Melton-Malone.
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Brent Voorhees with member Aicha Davis.
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Ms. Kay Fincher with member Marty Rowley.
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And Terry Snow with member Pat Hardy.
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The Presidential Awards for Excellence
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in Mathematics and Science Teaching
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are the highest honors
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bestowed by the United States Government
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specifically for K-12 mathematics and science teaching.
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The awards were established by Congress in 1983.
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Each President since has recognized up to 108
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exemplary teachers nationally each year.
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The National Science Foundation administrators
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on behalf of the White House
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of Science and Technology Policy.
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These awardees serve as models for their colleagues,
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inspiration to their communities
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and leaders in the improvement
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of mathematics and science education.
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(people giggling)
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(people giggling)
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(audience applauding)
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We're gonna do a little bit more ladies and gentlemen.
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I'm going to read the resolution now.
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Whereas the Presidential Awards for Excellence
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in Mathematics and Science Teaching program
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identifies outstanding mathematics
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and science teachers in each state
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and the four US jurisdictions
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and whereas through state selection committees
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three mathematics finalists and three science finalists
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were selected as Texas finalists.
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And whereas these teachers have become candidates
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for the Presidential Awards
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for Excellence in Mathematics and Science Teaching,
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now therefore it be resolved
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that the Texas State Board of Education
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does hereby extend its congratulations to:
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Amy Edmondson, Willow Wood Junior High School,
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Tomball Independent School District, Tomball, Texas;
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Bridget Matamoros, John H. Guyer High School
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Denton Independent School District, Denton, Texas;
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Brent Voorhees, Skyline High School,
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Dallas Independent School District in Dallas, Texas;
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for being named state finalists
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in the secondary mathematics category
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for the 2019 Presidential Award.
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And be it further resolved that the
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Texas State Board of Education
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does hereby extend its congratulations to:
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Kay Fincher, Amarillo High School,
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Amarillo Independent School District in Amarillo, Texas;
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Terry Snow of Aledo High School,
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of Aledo Independent School District in Aledo, Texas;
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Markaela van Putten of Tomball High School
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in Tomball Independent School District in Tomball, Texas;
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for being named state finalists
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in the secondary science category
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for the 2019 Presidential award.
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And be it further resolved that this resolution
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be presented to the aforementioned teachers
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for being identified as state and national finalists
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for the 2019 Presidential Awards for Excellence
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in Mathematics and Science Teaching program
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and that a copy be included in the permanent records
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of the State Board of Education.
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Witness our signatures the 31st day of January, 2020,
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Austin Texas.
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Dr. Keven Ellis, Chair,
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and myself, Georgina Perez, Secretary.
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Congratulations.
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(audience applauding)
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Not you guys.
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They're gone.
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They're supposed to be all here together.
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The scripts don't always follow the paper.
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All right.
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Now we're going to call on the 2017 National Awardees
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and their SBOE members to the circle.
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Wanda "Jean" Streepey, member Pam Little
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and Dolores "Lollie" Garay, member Donna Bahorich.
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Since the past awards began in 1983
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more than 4,400 teachers have been recognized
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for their contributions
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to mathematics and science education.
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Presidential awardees receive
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a citation signed by the President of the United States,
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a trip to Washington D.C.
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to attend a series of recognition events,
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and professional development opportunities
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and a $10,000 award from the National Science Foundation.
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Historically this board has recognized our Texas nominees.
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But beginning this year
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we will also be recognizing the Texans
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who won the national award.
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The award alternates between elementary
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and secondary educators each year.
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We're now pleased to recognize the Presidential Awards
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for Excellence in Mathematics and Science Teaching
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Secondary National Awardees from 2017.
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(audience applauding)
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The 2017 Texas PAEMST awardee for secondary mathematics
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is Wanda "Jean" Streepey.
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Ms. Streepey has been an educator for 13 years.
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She currently teaches seventh grade accelerated mathematics
00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:03.500
and serves on the instructional leadership team
00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:05.500
at Highland Park Middle School.
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Previously she taught at
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McCulloch Intermediate School for six years.
00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:13.700
Ms. Streepey served as a Team Lead and a Critical Friend
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for the US Department of Education's
00:28:15.830 --> 00:28:19.260
Teach to Lead Summits on Innovation and STEAM.
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In 2016, she was the Secondary Teacher of the Year
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.290
for the Texas Region 10,
00:28:23.290 --> 00:28:25.490
which represents 80 school districts
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and over 50,000 teachers in the Dallas Area.
00:28:30.671 --> 00:28:33.671
(audience applauds)
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The 2017 PAEMST awardee for secondary science
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is Dolores "Lollie" Garay.
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Ms. Garay has been an educator for 48 years,
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starting her career as a Pre-K teacher
00:28:49.320 --> 00:28:52.920
and eventually spending 30 years at Redd School,
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.140
where she was Lead Science Teacher,
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:57.200
Science Projects Coordinator.
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And currently, she works with
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the Baylor College of Medicine,
00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:01.220
Center for Educational Outreach
00:29:02.749 --> 00:29:06.210
as an instructor in the School of Health Professions.
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There, she writes science curriculum,
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.490
plans and conducts large-scale
00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:12.550
teacher professional development programs,
00:29:12.550 --> 00:29:17.190
and mentors K-12 students in after-school STEM clubs.
00:29:18.338 --> 00:29:21.505
(audience applauding)
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And now for the resolution.
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Whereas the Presidential Awards for Excellence in
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Mathematics and Science Teaching program
00:29:34.310 --> 00:29:37.190
identifies outstanding mathematics and science teachers
00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:40.180
in each state and the four US jurisdictions; and
00:29:40.180 --> 00:29:42.300
whereas the national selection committees,
00:29:42.300 --> 00:29:44.820
one mathematics finalist and one science finalist
00:29:44.820 --> 00:29:47.390
were selected to represent Texas; and
00:29:47.390 --> 00:29:50.660
whereas these teachers have become Texas national awardees
00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:52.980
for the Presidential Awards for Excellence
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:55.390
in Mathematics and Science Teaching;
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now, therefore, it be resolved,
00:29:58.050 --> 00:29:59.590
that the Texas State Board of Education
00:29:59.590 --> 00:30:01.800
does hereby extend its congratulations to
00:30:01.800 --> 00:30:05.120
Wanda "Jean" Streepey, Highland Park Middle School,
00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:08.150
Highland Park Independent School District in Dallas, Texas
00:30:08.150 --> 00:30:10.720
for being named the Texas National Awardee
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.820
in the secondary mathematics category
00:30:12.820 --> 00:30:15.690
and the 2017 Presidential Award;
00:30:15.690 --> 00:30:17.190
and be it further resolved,
00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:19.220
that the Texas State Board of Education
00:30:19.220 --> 00:30:21.180
does hereby extend its congratulations to
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:25.140
Dolores "Lollie" Garay of Redd School in Houston, Texas
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:28.000
for being named the Texas National Awardee
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.310
in the secondary science category
00:30:30.310 --> 00:30:32.820
for the 2017 Presidential Award;
00:30:32.820 --> 00:30:33.890
and be it further resolved,
00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:35.390
that this resolution be presented
00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:38.100
to the aforementioned teachers
00:30:38.100 --> 00:30:41.660
for being identified as state and national awardees
00:30:41.660 --> 00:30:44.910
for the 2017 Presidential Awards for Excellence
00:30:44.910 --> 00:30:47.570
in Mathematics and Science Teaching program,
00:30:47.570 --> 00:30:50.270
and that a copy be included in the permanent records
00:30:50.270 --> 00:30:52.270
of the Texas State Board of Education.
00:30:52.270 --> 00:30:55.580
Witness our signatures here in Austin, Texas.
00:30:55.580 --> 00:30:58.190
Dr. Keven Ellis, Chair, and myself,
00:30:58.190 --> 00:31:00.070
Georgina Perez your secretary.
00:31:00.070 --> 00:31:01.186
Congratulations.
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(audience applauding)
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Next we'll call up our 2018 PAEMST National Award winners
00:31:17.890 --> 00:31:19.780
and their SBOE members.
00:31:19.780 --> 00:31:24.210
Ms. Angelica Nino, member Marisa Perez-Diaz
00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:27.150
and Brenda Williams, member Sue Melton-Malone.
00:31:33.590 --> 00:31:37.240
The 2018 Texas PAEMST awardee for elementary mathematics
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.420
is Angelica Nino.
00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.530
Ms. Nino is a bilingual educator of 19 years
00:31:41.530 --> 00:31:44.530
and a third-grade master bilingual teacher
00:31:44.530 --> 00:31:46.540
at Lorenzo De Zavala Elementary School
00:31:46.540 --> 00:31:49.170
for the past three years.
00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:51.430
She previously taught at Turlington Elementary
00:31:51.430 --> 00:31:52.530
for seven years
00:31:52.530 --> 00:31:54.710
and at Holleman Elementary for nine years.
00:31:54.710 --> 00:31:56.850
As a master teacher, her responsibilities include
00:31:56.850 --> 00:31:59.870
working with the students having the greatest needs,
00:31:59.870 --> 00:32:02.240
providing them extended time,
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:03.670
tutoring other grade levels,
00:32:03.670 --> 00:32:05.660
and mentoring other teachers.
00:32:05.660 --> 00:32:07.340
Ms. Nino currently teaches at
00:32:07.340 --> 00:32:10.520
Herman T. Jones Elementary School in Waller ISD
00:32:10.520 --> 00:32:13.770
where she is a third grade bilingual teacher.
00:32:15.604 --> 00:32:18.771
(audience applauding)
00:32:22.580 --> 00:32:26.280
The 2018 Texas PAEMST awardee for elementary science
00:32:26.280 --> 00:32:27.940
is Brenda Williams.
00:32:27.940 --> 00:32:30.440
Ms. Williams has been an educator for 20 years
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.120
and spent the last year teaching fourth and fifth grade STEM
00:32:34.120 --> 00:32:36.320
at Argyle Intermediate School.
00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:38.690
Previously, she taught fifth grade science
00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:41.500
for seven years at Argyle Intermediate.
00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:44.300
She has also taught in DeSoto and Lewisville
00:32:44.300 --> 00:32:45.830
Independent School Districts.
00:32:45.830 --> 00:32:48.740
Ms. Williams has facilitated professional development
00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:52.110
at the Texas Regional Collaborative for science teachers
00:32:52.110 --> 00:32:53.820
at the University of North Texas
00:32:53.820 --> 00:32:55.660
and was the keynote speaker
00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:59.780
for the statewide 2015 TRC annual meeting.
00:32:59.780 --> 00:33:00.613
She was named
00:33:00.613 --> 00:33:02.560
Argyle Independent School District Teacher of the Year,
00:33:02.560 --> 00:33:03.770
a two-time finalist for
00:33:03.770 --> 00:33:06.290
the HEB Excellence in Education Award,
00:33:06.290 --> 00:33:08.500
a recipient of the Ernest and Sarah Butler Awards
00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:10.560
for Excellence in Science Teaching,
00:33:10.560 --> 00:33:12.300
a Texas PTA Lifetime Member,
00:33:12.300 --> 00:33:15.470
and was recognized by the Texas Senate
00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:18.120
for excellence in science teaching.
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Congratulations.
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(audience applauding)
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And now for the resolution.
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Whereas the Presidential Awards for Excellence
00:33:28.250 --> 00:33:30.080
in Mathematics and Science Teaching program
00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:33.000
identifies outstanding mathematics and science teachers
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.870
in each state and the four US jurisdictions;
00:33:35.870 --> 00:33:39.000
and whereas through national selection committees,
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.390
one science finalist and one mathematics finalist
00:33:42.390 --> 00:33:44.810
were selected to represent Texas;
00:33:44.810 --> 00:33:46.150
whereas these teachers have become
00:33:46.150 --> 00:33:48.440
Texas national awardees for their
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.010
Presidential Awards for Excellence
00:33:50.010 --> 00:33:52.230
in Mathematics and Science Teaching;
00:33:52.230 --> 00:33:53.860
therefore, be it resolved,
00:33:53.860 --> 00:33:55.230
the Texas State Board of Education
00:33:55.230 --> 00:33:58.790
does hereby extend its congratulations to Ms. Angelica Nino,
00:33:58.790 --> 00:34:00.970
of Lorenzo De Zavala Elementary School
00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:02.820
in San Antonio Independent School District,
00:34:02.820 --> 00:34:04.680
in San Antonio, Texas
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.830
for being named the Texas National Awardee
00:34:06.830 --> 00:34:08.560
in the elementary mathematics category
00:34:08.560 --> 00:34:11.650
for the 2018 Presidential Award;
00:34:11.650 --> 00:34:12.690
and be it further resolved,
00:34:12.690 --> 00:34:14.110
that the Texas State Board of Education
00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:16.140
does hereby extend its congratulations
00:34:16.140 --> 00:34:18.630
to Brenda Williams, Argyle Intermediate School
00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:22.620
of the Argyle Independent School District in Argyle, Texas
00:34:22.620 --> 00:34:24.870
for being named the Texas National Awardee
00:34:24.870 --> 00:34:26.520
in the elementary science category
00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:29.060
for the 2018 Presidential Award.
00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:31.100
Be it also resolved,
00:34:31.100 --> 00:34:33.060
that this resolution be presented
00:34:33.060 --> 00:34:34.670
to the aforementioned teachers
00:34:34.670 --> 00:34:38.160
for being identified as state and national awardees
00:34:38.160 --> 00:34:40.690
for the 2018 Presidential Awards for Excellence
00:34:40.690 --> 00:34:43.050
in Mathematics and Science Teaching program,
00:34:43.050 --> 00:34:45.570
and that a copy be included in the permanent records
00:34:45.570 --> 00:34:47.860
of the Texas State Board of Education.
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Witness our signatures this 31st day of January, 2020.
00:34:52.580 --> 00:34:54.810
Dr. Keven Ellis, Chair and myself,
00:34:54.810 --> 00:34:56.770
Georgina Perez your secretary.
00:34:56.770 --> 00:34:57.946
Congratulations.
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(audience applauding)
00:35:13.257 --> 00:35:15.500
Much like our Milken Award this morning
00:35:15.500 --> 00:35:17.650
I have been asked to take a breath
00:35:17.650 --> 00:35:18.700
and read slower.
00:35:19.575 --> 00:35:20.841
(audience laughing)
00:35:20.841 --> 00:35:22.540
And while you're taking a quick breath
00:35:22.540 --> 00:35:24.630
I am gonna call on Ms. Martinez for just one second.
00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:25.540
Okay.
Thank you.
00:35:25.540 --> 00:35:28.960
Just a quick announcement as we finish this up.
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.100
We wanted to make sure that you all were aware
00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:35.750
that we are in the process of nominating educators
00:35:35.750 --> 00:35:38.740
for this particular award this spring.
00:35:38.740 --> 00:35:41.790
And so we thought that it might be helpful
00:35:41.790 --> 00:35:43.790
if we provided you with some information.
00:35:43.790 --> 00:35:45.310
I know many of you have newsletters
00:35:45.310 --> 00:35:49.090
that you send out to constituents in your districts.
00:35:49.090 --> 00:35:51.910
And so we've provided you with a blue folder
00:35:51.910 --> 00:35:53.300
that will be in your boxes
00:35:53.300 --> 00:35:56.090
that includes information on how to nominate,
00:35:56.090 --> 00:35:58.770
information about the application process.
00:35:58.770 --> 00:36:00.830
And then staff has also put together
00:36:00.830 --> 00:36:03.160
a document that will show you
00:36:03.160 --> 00:36:05.880
how many nominations we've received to date
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.280
from each of your districts.
00:36:08.490 --> 00:36:10.930
As it is a very rigorous process
00:36:10.930 --> 00:36:13.350
and a small percentage of nominees
00:36:13.350 --> 00:36:15.870
will actually complete the application process.
00:36:15.870 --> 00:36:18.660
But we thought it might be helpful for you to know
00:36:18.660 --> 00:36:20.880
in the event that you'd like to recruit
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.610
and encourage these great math and science teachers
00:36:23.610 --> 00:36:26.620
in your districts to consider applying
00:36:26.620 --> 00:36:28.890
or administrators to consider nominating.
00:36:36.220 --> 00:36:38.070
Next we will have a resolution honoring
00:36:38.070 --> 00:36:40.380
the 2019 recipients of the
00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:44.370
Employers for Education Excellence Awards.
00:36:44.370 --> 00:36:47.720
I'm gonna call on the employer and their member.
00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:50.090
Toyota of Boerne, member Ken Mercer.
00:36:51.010 --> 00:36:54.600
Haynes and Boone Law Firm, member Pam Little.
00:36:54.600 --> 00:36:57.420
Southwest Airlines, Dallas Fire and Rescue,
00:36:57.420 --> 00:36:58.840
member, Aicha Davis.
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.300
Thomson Reuters, Accenture, member Pam Hardy.
00:37:06.020 --> 00:37:07.510
Pat Hardy, did I say Pam?
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:11.233
Did I?
00:37:11.233 --> 00:37:14.180
My apologies, Ms. Pat Hardy.
00:37:18.770 --> 00:37:20.160
Pricewaterhouse Coopers,
00:37:21.490 --> 00:37:24.490
members Pam Little and Aicha Davis.
00:37:24.490 --> 00:37:25.940
Please join us in the circle.
00:37:33.620 --> 00:37:36.740
We have seven employers who today will receive
00:37:36.740 --> 00:37:39.980
the 2019 Employers for Education Excellence Award
00:37:39.980 --> 00:37:43.710
for their support of parents and Texas schools.
00:37:43.710 --> 00:37:47.030
Created in 2007 by legislation
00:37:47.030 --> 00:37:50.040
the award recognizes three levels of support,
00:37:50.040 --> 00:37:52.260
Gold, Silver and Bronze.
00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:54.900
Three employers this year earned the Gold Award,
00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:58.130
two employers earned the Silver Award
00:37:58.130 --> 00:38:00.890
and two earned the Bronze Award.
00:38:00.890 --> 00:38:02.960
Awardees, when I read about your support
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:04.270
of our public schools
00:38:04.270 --> 00:38:06.420
please step forward for your photographs.
00:38:13.550 --> 00:38:15.680
And now the resolution.
00:38:15.680 --> 00:38:17.030
Whereas parents and employers
00:38:17.030 --> 00:38:20.550
play a key role in supporting public schools;
00:38:20.550 --> 00:38:22.100
and whereas mentoring children
00:38:22.100 --> 00:38:25.260
can have a lifelong impact on students' lives;
00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:27.630
whereas the Texas Legislature recognized
00:38:27.630 --> 00:38:31.110
this important school-parent-business partnership
00:38:31.110 --> 00:38:33.120
when it directed the Texas State Board of Education
00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:36.350
to create the Employers for Education Excellence Award
00:38:36.350 --> 00:38:37.930
in 2007;
00:38:37.930 --> 00:38:41.150
and whereas Toyota of Boerne Texas,
00:38:41.150 --> 00:38:43.550
the Haynes and Boone law firm,
00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:45.750
and Southwest Airlines are recipients of
00:38:45.750 --> 00:38:50.720
the 2019 Employers for Education Excellence Gold level award
00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.700
for their extensive involvement
00:38:52.700 --> 00:38:55.260
with their communities' schools.
00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:57.480
Whereas Toyota of Boerne supports
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.080
the Boerne Independent School District
00:38:59.080 --> 00:39:01.140
by providing auto parts and vehicles
00:39:01.140 --> 00:39:04.780
to the district's automotive program;
00:39:04.780 --> 00:39:07.850
science, technology, engineering, and math classes;
00:39:07.850 --> 00:39:10.050
and FFA chapter and its employees
00:39:10.050 --> 00:39:13.830
have donated 300 hours of volunteer service.
00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:18.070
And whereas the Haynes and Boone law firm
00:39:18.070 --> 00:39:20.440
collaborates with Dallas ISD's
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.620
L.G. Pinkston High School's law practicum,
00:39:23.620 --> 00:39:26.040
engages with students from middle school to college
00:39:26.040 --> 00:39:29.050
to increase the diversity of the legal provision,
00:39:29.050 --> 00:39:31.620
and supports a flexible environment
00:39:31.620 --> 00:39:34.860
that allows parents to participate in school activities.
00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:40.610
And whereas Southwest Airlines
00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:44.960
partners with North Dallas High School's P-Tech program,
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.010
sponsors an Adopt-A-Pilot program
00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:49.960
that brings aviators into the classrooms,
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.410
offers employees the "freedom to flex" work hours
00:39:53.410 --> 00:39:55.410
so they can attend school events;
00:39:55.410 --> 00:39:59.290
and donates round-trip tickets to non-profit organizations
00:39:59.290 --> 00:40:01.980
for every 40 hours of volunteer time.
00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:09.190
And whereas the Dallas Fire-Rescue Department and Accenture
00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:12.450
are recipients of the silver level award
00:40:12.450 --> 00:40:14.360
for their student mentoring programs
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.290
and volunteer activities.
00:40:16.290 --> 00:40:19.360
And whereas the Dallas Fire and Rescue Department
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.930
works with Dallas ISD's P-Tech program,
00:40:21.930 --> 00:40:22.770
mentors students
00:40:22.770 --> 00:40:25.810
and sponsors a Fire-Rescue Explorers Troop
00:40:25.810 --> 00:40:28.200
in which student learn basic knowledge
00:40:28.200 --> 00:40:29.500
about the fire service,
00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:32.030
including emergency medical services.
00:40:35.220 --> 00:40:37.680
And whereas Accenture partners with
00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:41.177
Dallas ISD's P-Tech program at work with
00:40:41.177 --> 00:40:43.720
Seagoville, is this how you say this?
00:40:43.720 --> 00:40:46.620
Seagoville High School and works with
00:40:46.620 --> 00:40:49.910
Bridges from School to Work program
00:40:49.910 --> 00:40:52.800
to help prepare young people with disabilities
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:53.820
for employment.
00:40:54.670 --> 00:40:57.720
And whereas Pricewaterhouse Coopers and Thomson Reuters
00:40:57.720 --> 00:41:00.510
are recognized as bronze award recipients
00:41:00.510 --> 00:41:05.230
for their family-and-school friendly volunteer policies.
00:41:05.230 --> 00:41:07.250
Whereas Pricewaterhouse Coopers assists with
00:41:07.250 --> 00:41:09.140
career development and mentoring activities
00:41:09.140 --> 00:41:11.680
in the James Madison High School P-Tech program
00:41:11.680 --> 00:41:15.200
in Dallas ISD and makes discretionary volunteer time
00:41:15.200 --> 00:41:17.400
to employees, which can be used
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.730
to support school activities.
00:41:19.730 --> 00:41:23.200
And whereas Thomson Reuters is a signature partner
00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:25.640
with Dallas ISD's P-Tech program
00:41:25.640 --> 00:41:28.500
where it actively engages in mentorship activities
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:30.410
and provides grants to schools
00:41:30.410 --> 00:41:32.610
and other non-profit organizations
00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:36.900
when employees donate 20 or more hours of their time.
00:41:37.850 --> 00:41:39.930
And whereas school districts and charter schools
00:41:39.930 --> 00:41:42.070
that encourage parental and community involvement
00:41:42.070 --> 00:41:44.220
are vital components of this program;
00:41:44.220 --> 00:41:46.050
now therefore, it be resolved
00:41:47.180 --> 00:41:48.870
that the Texas State Board of Education
00:41:48.870 --> 00:41:51.410
urges Texas businesses to look upon these
00:41:51.410 --> 00:41:55.110
seven Employers for Education Excellence award recipients
00:41:55.110 --> 00:41:57.670
as role models for civic engagement;
00:41:57.670 --> 00:41:59.670
and be it further resolved
00:41:59.670 --> 00:42:02.120
that the Texas State Board of Education today awards
00:42:02.120 --> 00:42:06.010
Toyota of Boerne, Haynes and Boone, Southwest Airlines,
00:42:06.010 --> 00:42:08.550
Dallas Fire-Rescue Department, Accenture,
00:42:08.550 --> 00:42:11.270
Pricewaterhouse Coopers, and the Thomson Reuters
00:42:11.270 --> 00:42:15.440
with the 2019 Employers for Excellence Education Award
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.500
for their generous and continuing support
00:42:18.500 --> 00:42:21.130
of Texas students and teachers.
00:42:21.130 --> 00:42:25.780
Witness our signatures this 31st day of January, 2020,
00:42:25.780 --> 00:42:27.510
in Austin, Texas.
00:42:27.510 --> 00:42:29.280
Chair, Dr. Keven Ellis;
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.100
Secretary, Georgina Perez.
00:42:31.100 --> 00:42:32.485
Congratulations.
00:42:32.485 --> 00:42:35.652
(audience applauding)
00:42:37.093 --> 00:42:41.010
(people speaking indistinctly)
00:44:09.910 --> 00:44:11.210
You wanna keep going?
00:44:19.570 --> 00:44:21.180
Today we are also celebrating
00:44:21.180 --> 00:44:24.310
more than 1.4 million Texas public school students
00:44:24.310 --> 00:44:27.980
who are enrolled in career and technical courses this year.
00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:30.300
Sometimes you hear people say that it's a shame
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:33.110
that no one takes vocational courses anymore.
00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:36.070
Well, evidenced by the numerous students
00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:38.730
and their state leadership and their sponsors
00:44:38.730 --> 00:44:42.330
please realize, that's not true in Texas.
00:44:42.330 --> 00:44:44.300
More than 200 career and technical courses
00:44:44.300 --> 00:44:46.800
are available to students across this state.
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.580
The courses include topics ranging from:
00:44:49.580 --> 00:44:52.860
equine science to graphic design to pipe fitting.
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:55.410
We have more students enrolled in CTE classes
00:44:55.410 --> 00:44:58.360
then some states have total students.
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.270
Not only do these courses teach a topic
00:45:00.270 --> 00:45:03.440
they also teach a lot of leadership skills.
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.630
Today we are pleased to have student leaders
00:45:05.630 --> 00:45:09.140
and sponsors from eight CTE organizations
00:45:09.140 --> 00:45:10.210
here with us today.
00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:13.750
First I want to introduce Sarah Montgomery
00:45:13.750 --> 00:45:16.170
of the Not Your Ordinary School
00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:19.450
and Dawson Killen of the Crandall FFA Chapter
00:45:19.450 --> 00:45:21.720
to join me here at the podium.
00:45:21.720 --> 00:45:22.553
Sarah,
00:45:24.140 --> 00:45:25.370
good morning Sarah,
00:45:25.370 --> 00:45:26.310
is the President of the
00:45:26.310 --> 00:45:29.990
Texas Association of Future Educators.
00:45:29.990 --> 00:45:31.930
And Dawson is the state vice President
00:45:31.930 --> 00:45:34.700
for the Area V FFA Association.
00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:37.830
And our student leaders are going to read
00:45:37.830 --> 00:45:39.870
the last resolution of the day.
00:45:44.928 --> 00:45:48.178
(Ms. Perez whispering)
00:45:53.220 --> 00:45:57.960
Whereas February 1 through 29, 2020, has been designated
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.430
National Career and Technical Education Month;
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:06.760
And whereas about 1,424,391 Texas secondary students
00:46:08.250 --> 00:46:10.100
are enrolled in one or more
00:46:10.100 --> 00:46:13.620
career and technical education, CTE, courses
00:46:13.620 --> 00:46:16.720
in 1,200 school districts and charter schools
00:46:16.720 --> 00:46:18.660
throughout the State; and
00:46:18.660 --> 00:46:22.130
Whereas career and technical education offers students
00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:25.710
the opportunity to gain the academic, technical
00:46:25.710 --> 00:46:28.430
and employability skills necessary
00:46:28.430 --> 00:46:30.540
for true career readiness.
00:46:30.540 --> 00:46:32.200
And whereas students
00:46:32.200 --> 00:46:34.520
in career and technical education programs
00:46:34.520 --> 00:46:37.760
participate in authentic, meaningful experiences
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.520
which improve the quality of their education
00:46:40.520 --> 00:46:43.810
by offering opportunities to apply academic knowledge
00:46:43.810 --> 00:46:47.150
and skills from across the curriculum; and
00:46:47.150 --> 00:46:49.840
Whereas career and technical education
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.650
is a vital and integral part
00:46:51.650 --> 00:46:53.850
of the Foundation High School Program,
00:46:53.850 --> 00:46:57.250
offering students pathways to earn recognized endorsements,
00:46:57.250 --> 00:46:58.790
performance acknowledgements
00:46:58.790 --> 00:47:01.740
and industry-validated credentials; and
00:47:01.740 --> 00:47:04.030
Whereas Texas is proud to support
00:47:04.030 --> 00:47:06.990
nine CTE student organizations:
00:47:06.990 --> 00:47:09.070
Business Professionals of America;
00:47:09.070 --> 00:47:11.630
the Texas Association of DECA;
00:47:11.630 --> 00:47:13.230
Educators Rising;
00:47:13.230 --> 00:47:15.380
Future Business Leaders of America;
00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:18.540
Family, Career and Community Leaders of America;
00:47:18.540 --> 00:47:20.930
the Texas FFA Association;
00:47:20.930 --> 00:47:23.360
Health Occupations Students of America;
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.360
SkillsUSA; and Texas Technology Student Association; and
00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:31.690
Whereas career and technical education programs
00:47:31.690 --> 00:47:34.190
prepare students for fulfilling careers
00:47:34.190 --> 00:47:36.790
by offering integrated programs of study
00:47:36.790 --> 00:47:40.290
that link secondary and post-secondary education
00:47:40.290 --> 00:47:44.050
and significantly contribute to college readiness; and
00:47:44.050 --> 00:47:47.190
Whereas ensuring the employers have access to
00:47:47.190 --> 00:47:49.970
a qualified workforce is a crucial step
00:47:49.970 --> 00:47:51.600
in ensuring productivity
00:47:51.600 --> 00:47:53.900
among the business and industry communities
00:47:53.900 --> 00:47:57.050
as well as continued American economic growth
00:47:57.050 --> 00:48:01.260
and global competitiveness; now, therefore,
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:04.180
Be it resolved, that the State Board of Education,
00:48:04.180 --> 00:48:07.960
which has been designated by the Texas Legislature
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:11.180
as the State Board for Career and Technical Education,
00:48:11.180 --> 00:48:15.020
does hereby proclaim February 1st through 29th, 2020
00:48:15.020 --> 00:48:18.010
as Career and Technical Education Month in Texas,
00:48:18.010 --> 00:48:20.110
and does hereby urge all Texans
00:48:20.110 --> 00:48:22.800
to become familiar with the outstanding curriculum
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.300
delivered by exceptional
00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:26.570
career and technical education teachers
00:48:26.570 --> 00:48:28.650
in communities across the state,
00:48:28.650 --> 00:48:31.010
and to support and participate in these programs
00:48:31.010 --> 00:48:34.010
to enhance individual skills and productivity.
00:48:35.530 --> 00:48:36.363
Thank you.
00:48:37.520 --> 00:48:40.687
(audience applauding)
00:49:20.530 --> 00:49:21.960
Representing DECA,
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.360
Sikyra Castle.
00:49:24.604 --> 00:49:25.730
How do I say the last name?
Bou-Saada.
00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:27.760
Chris Bou-Saada.
00:49:31.324 --> 00:49:34.491
(audience applauding)
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:42.113
All right.
00:49:42.113 --> 00:49:45.650
Representing the Texas Technology Student Associations,
00:49:45.650 --> 00:49:47.520
President Mary Katherine Smith
00:49:47.520 --> 00:49:50.030
and Vice President Sam Jacobs.
00:49:50.947 --> 00:49:54.114
(audience applauding)
00:50:01.230 --> 00:50:03.400
Representing the Business Professionals of America,
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:04.750
Dion Simmons, State President,
00:50:04.750 --> 00:50:07.860
and Emily Ramzinski, State Historian.
00:50:08.989 --> 00:50:12.156
(audience applauding)
00:50:21.290 --> 00:50:25.090
Representing the Texas Association of Future Educators
00:50:25.090 --> 00:50:27.660
Denisse Cabrera and Hannah Pardee.
00:50:28.768 --> 00:50:31.935
(audience applauding)
00:50:40.650 --> 00:50:44.970
Representing the FBLA, Corbin Lubianski
00:50:44.970 --> 00:50:47.560
and Alice Liang?
00:50:47.560 --> 00:50:48.531
Yeah.
00:50:48.531 --> 00:50:49.923
(audience laughs)
00:50:49.923 --> 00:50:53.403
How do I say it?
Just like that.
00:50:55.357 --> 00:50:58.524
(audience applauding)
00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:06.960
Representing FFCLA,
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.290
Elizabeth Halfmann and Bellamy Wooten.
00:51:11.466 --> 00:51:14.633
(audience applauding)
00:51:22.610 --> 00:51:24.650
And representing HOSA,
00:51:24.650 --> 00:51:27.624
Brandon Clark and Brianna Martinez.
00:51:27.624 --> 00:51:30.791
(audience applauding)
00:53:46.970 --> 00:53:47.990
All right members,
00:53:47.990 --> 00:53:50.220
we do need to adopt the resolutions
00:53:50.220 --> 00:53:52.370
as presented today.
00:53:52.370 --> 00:53:54.720
Is there any objection to adopting
00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:56.770
all the resolutions as presented?
00:53:57.910 --> 00:53:59.700
Hearing none, so adopted.
00:54:16.795 --> 00:54:19.878
We can take a break?
00:54:30.700 --> 00:54:32.610
We're gonna take a quick two or three minute break
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as we make the transition to the next part.
00:54:43.481 --> 00:54:45.820
All right members we're gonna come back to order.
00:54:45.820 --> 00:54:46.720
I've been asked,
00:54:46.720 --> 00:54:49.190
there are still a few amendments we're working on
00:54:49.190 --> 00:54:51.840
that will be part of the committee of the full board.
00:54:52.930 --> 00:54:57.800
So what we are going to do is skip for now,
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.600
or move past the Committee of the Full Board items
00:55:01.600 --> 00:55:04.450
and move on to item number 10,
00:55:04.450 --> 00:55:06.930
which is on the Committee on Instruction.
00:55:06.930 --> 00:55:09.050
And we will get back to the Committee of the Full Board
00:55:09.050 --> 00:55:12.470
after we do each of our other committees.
00:55:12.470 --> 00:55:13.680
Chairman,
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I think you have the consent agenda,
00:55:15.660 --> 00:55:17.140
Oh, I'm sorry.
First.
00:55:17.140 --> 00:55:18.330
Thank you.
Yes sir.
00:55:18.330 --> 00:55:19.163
Jumped ahead.
00:55:20.080 --> 00:55:21.820
So actually we're on item number two
00:55:21.820 --> 00:55:24.020
which is the approval of the consent agenda.
00:55:25.150 --> 00:55:29.770
Members you have the consent agenda in your packet.
00:55:29.770 --> 00:55:31.780
Are there are any requests to remove
00:55:31.780 --> 00:55:34.430
any of the items from the consent agenda?
00:55:38.750 --> 00:55:41.658
Is there any objection to approving
00:55:41.658 --> 00:55:44.780
the consent agenda as presented?
00:55:46.100 --> 00:55:48.070
Hearing none, the consent is adopted.
00:55:50.620 --> 00:55:52.930
So now we will move to item number 10
00:55:52.930 --> 00:55:54.670
on the Committee of Instruction.
00:55:54.670 --> 00:55:56.720
And I will call on Ms. Sue Melton-Malone.
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:00.870
Thank you Mr. Chair.
00:56:00.870 --> 00:56:02.500
If you will get your minutes
00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:04.350
from the Committee on Instruction.
00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:08.760
Page one is our first action item.
00:56:09.630 --> 00:56:13.530
It is the proposed amendment to 19 TAC Chapter 74
00:56:13.530 --> 00:56:16.430
Curriculum Requirements, Subchapter C,
00:56:16.430 --> 00:56:20.490
Other Provisions, 74.26, Award of Credit.
00:56:20.490 --> 00:56:22.690
And it's second reading and filing adoption.
00:56:23.600 --> 00:56:26.300
Mr. Chair I move on behalf of the Committee on Instruction
00:56:26.300 --> 00:56:28.360
that the State Board of Education
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.820
approve for second reading and filing adoption
00:56:30.820 --> 00:56:34.390
the proposed amendment to 19 TAC Chapter 74
00:56:34.390 --> 00:56:37.280
Curriculum Requirements, Subchapter C,
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:41.830
Other Provisions, 74.26, Award of Credit
00:56:41.830 --> 00:56:43.590
and make an affirmative finding
00:56:43.590 --> 00:56:46.200
that immediate adoption of proposed amendment
00:56:46.200 --> 00:56:50.340
to 19 TAC Chapter 74, Curriculum Requirements,
00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:52.830
Subchapter C, Other Provisions,
00:56:52.830 --> 00:56:57.180
74.26, Award of Credit is necessary
00:56:57.180 --> 00:57:00.180
and shall have an effective date of 20 days after filing
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as adopted with the Texas Register.
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.330
For Texas Education Code 7.102 F
00:57:14.330 --> 00:57:15.920
a vote of two-thirds of the members of the board
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is necessary for an earlier effective date.
00:57:19.670 --> 00:57:20.880
Those in--
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:21.970
Is there any debate?
00:57:25.250 --> 00:57:27.160
Those in favor please raise your hand.
00:57:32.130 --> 00:57:34.920
Those opposed please raise your hand.
00:57:46.262 --> 00:57:48.380
Okay, there are two-thirds in favor
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and the recommendation is adopted.
00:57:51.650 --> 00:57:53.290
Thank you Mr. Chair.
00:57:53.290 --> 00:57:55.740
On page two, at the top of page.
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Proposed Amendments to 19 TAC, Chapter 117,
00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:03.100
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Fine Arts,
00:58:03.100 --> 00:58:07.400
Subchapter C, High School, 117.312,
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:09.350
Music, Level III One Credit,
00:58:09.350 --> 00:58:13.370
Adopted 2013; 117.313,
00:58:13.370 --> 00:58:17.470
Music, Level IV One Credit, Adopted 2013;
00:58:17.470 --> 00:58:22.470
and 117.314, Music Studies One Credit, Adopted 2013.
00:58:22.650 --> 00:58:26.230
This is for second reading and final adoption.
00:58:26.230 --> 00:58:28.050
On behalf of the Committee on Instruction
00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:29.910
I move that the State Board of Education
00:58:29.910 --> 00:58:32.650
approve for second reading and filing adoption
00:58:32.650 --> 00:58:36.220
proposed amendments to 19 TAC, Chapter 117,
00:58:36.220 --> 00:58:39.330
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Fine Arts,
00:58:39.330 --> 00:58:44.080
Subchapter C, High School, 117.312,
00:58:44.080 --> 00:58:48.080
Music, Level III One Credit, Adopted 2013;
00:58:48.080 --> 00:58:50.130
117.313,
00:58:50.130 --> 00:58:53.680
Music, Level IV One Credit, Adopted 2013;
00:58:53.680 --> 00:58:58.680
and 117.314, Music Studies One Credit, Adopted 2013.
00:59:00.110 --> 00:59:01.700
And make an affirmative finding
00:59:01.700 --> 00:59:04.220
that immediate adoption of the proposed amendments
00:59:04.220 --> 00:59:07.070
to 19 TAC, Chapter 117,
00:59:07.070 --> 00:59:09.660
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Fine Arts,
00:59:09.660 --> 00:59:13.880
Subchapter C, High School, 117.312,
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:17.680
Music, Level II One Credit, Adopted 2013;
00:59:17.680 --> 00:59:21.670
117.313, Music, Level I One C--
00:59:21.670 --> 00:59:25.610
Music, Level IV One Credit, Adopted 2013;
00:59:25.610 --> 00:59:30.610
and 117.314, Music Studies One Credit, Adopted 2013
00:59:31.060 --> 00:59:33.400
is necessary and shall have an effective date
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.100
of August 1st, 2020.
00:59:39.580 --> 00:59:43.000
Per TEC 7.102 F a vote of two-thirds
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:44.400
of the members of the board is necessary
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:45.920
for an early effective date.
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:47.620
Is there any debate on the motion?
00:59:50.234 --> 00:59:52.684
All right, those in favor please raise your hand.
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.800
Those opposed please raise your hand.
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:15.430
There are two-thirds in favor
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and the recommendation is adopted.
01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:22.070
All right, number three, also on page two.
01:00:22.070 --> 01:00:26.340
This is the proposed repeal of 19 TAC Chapter 110.
01:00:26.340 --> 01:00:28.110
I'm just gonna go ahead and read the motion.
01:00:28.110 --> 01:00:30.310
On behalf of the Committee on Instruction
01:00:30.310 --> 01:00:33.120
I move that the State Board of Education
01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:35.080
suspend the board operating rules
01:00:35.080 --> 01:00:38.080
in accordance with section 5.2 A
01:00:38.080 --> 01:00:40.350
and allow consideration at first reading
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and filing authorization
01:00:42.200 --> 01:00:44.980
and approve for first reading and filing authorization
01:00:44.980 --> 01:00:48.790
the proposed repeal of 19 TAC Chapter 110,
01:00:48.790 --> 01:00:50.560
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills
01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:52.660
for English Language Arts and Reading,
01:00:52.660 --> 01:00:55.873
Subchapter C, High School, sections 110.30
01:00:58.995 --> 01:01:01.440
through 110.34,
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:04.920
and Subchapter D, Other High School English Language Arts
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:09.920
and Reading Courses, section 110.85, and Chapter 128,
01:01:10.030 --> 01:01:11.840
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.210
for Spanish Language Arts and Reading
01:01:14.210 --> 01:01:16.070
and English as a Second Language,
01:01:16.070 --> 01:01:20.680
Subchapter C, High School, sections 128.30
01:01:20.680 --> 01:01:22.650
through 128.32.
01:01:27.002 --> 01:01:29.330
Okay members, also per TEC 7.102 F
01:01:31.470 --> 01:01:33.110
a vote of two-thirds of the members of the board
01:01:33.110 --> 01:01:34.810
is necessary to suspend the rules.
01:01:35.970 --> 01:01:37.670
Is there any debate on the motion?
01:01:40.322 --> 01:01:41.155
I'm hearing none.
01:01:41.155 --> 01:01:43.010
Those in favor please raise your hand.
01:01:50.180 --> 01:01:52.030
Those opposed please raise your hand.
01:01:56.510 --> 01:01:57.610
There are two-thirds in favor
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and the recommendation is adopted.
01:01:59.780 --> 01:02:01.160
Thank you.
01:02:01.160 --> 01:02:04.360
Number four, the motion is on the top of page three.
01:02:06.740 --> 01:02:08.650
This is State Adoption and Distribution
01:02:08.650 --> 01:02:11.110
of Instructional Materials, General Provisions,
01:02:11.110 --> 01:02:14.380
and the State Adoption of Instructional Materials,
01:02:14.380 --> 01:02:16.200
Local Operations.
01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:17.980
On behalf of the Committee on Instruction
01:02:17.980 --> 01:02:19.890
I move that the State Board of Education
01:02:19.890 --> 01:02:23.710
adopt the review of 19 TAC Chapter 66,
01:02:23.710 --> 01:02:26.780
State Adoption and Distribution of Instructional Materials,
01:02:26.780 --> 01:02:29.190
Subchapter A, General Provisions,
01:02:29.190 --> 01:02:32.660
Subchapter B, State Adoption of Instructional Materials,
01:02:32.660 --> 01:02:35.270
and Subchapter C, Local Operations.
01:02:45.600 --> 01:02:47.950
All right, this one does not require a two-thirds vote.
01:02:47.950 --> 01:02:49.650
Is there any debate on the motion?
01:02:51.830 --> 01:02:54.330
Hearing none, those in favor please say, "Aye."
01:02:54.330 --> 01:02:55.163
Aye.
01:02:55.163 --> 01:02:56.330
Those opposed say, "No."
01:02:57.830 --> 01:02:59.130
There is a majority in favor
01:02:59.130 --> 01:03:00.830
and the recommendation is adopted.
01:03:02.180 --> 01:03:03.740
On that same page, page three
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I'm gonna skip five,
01:03:04.740 --> 01:03:06.520
I'll come back to it in just a moment,
01:03:06.520 --> 01:03:07.840
but number six is
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.630
the Proposed Approval of Innovative Courses.
01:03:13.122 --> 01:03:14.730
On behalf of the Committee on Instruction
01:03:14.730 --> 01:03:16.590
I move that the State Board of Education
01:03:16.590 --> 01:03:19.060
approve for a period of five years
01:03:19.060 --> 01:03:20.800
the following innovative courses
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.660
that do not fall within any of the subject areas
01:03:23.660 --> 01:03:26.690
of the foundation or enrichment curriculum:
01:03:26.690 --> 01:03:29.180
advanced placement seminar;
01:03:29.180 --> 01:03:31.710
advanced placement research;
01:03:31.710 --> 01:03:34.810
gifted talented inter-disciplinary studies;
01:03:34.810 --> 01:03:38.150
mentor seminar I-4;
01:03:38.150 --> 01:03:40.470
logic one and logic two.
01:03:43.770 --> 01:03:46.360
All right, this one is also not a two-thirds majority.
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.000
So is there any further debate on this item?
01:03:51.710 --> 01:03:52.543
Hearing none.
01:03:52.543 --> 01:03:54.410
Those in favor please say, "Aye."
01:03:54.410 --> 01:03:55.243
Aye.
01:03:55.243 --> 01:03:56.490
Those opposed please say, "No."
01:03:57.560 --> 01:03:58.790
There is a majority in favor
01:03:58.790 --> 01:04:00.610
and the recommendation is adopted.
01:04:01.810 --> 01:04:03.860
Now I'd like to move back to number five.
01:04:03.860 --> 01:04:06.110
Just as a point of information for you all,
01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:07.770
this was on our agenda.
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:09.593
And we,
01:04:10.690 --> 01:04:12.930
had quite a bit of discussion about it.
01:04:12.930 --> 01:04:14.800
There is a company,
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.870
a mathematics company for K through five,
01:04:17.870 --> 01:04:22.870
that has made some changes in their textbooks
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.310
and in their consumables.
01:04:25.310 --> 01:04:28.320
And they did not get approval to do that.
01:04:29.310 --> 01:04:31.190
This has been going on for a while
01:04:31.190 --> 01:04:33.250
and staff has worked with them.
01:04:33.250 --> 01:04:36.780
And they tell us they're going to
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:40.090
comply with what we need to have done.
01:04:40.090 --> 01:04:41.110
And they,
01:04:41.110 --> 01:04:42.770
staff has gotten no response
01:04:42.770 --> 01:04:45.160
as far as the actual product.
01:04:45.160 --> 01:04:49.510
So we discussed with Von some different options
01:04:49.510 --> 01:04:51.750
that we, as a board, might take.
01:04:51.750 --> 01:04:54.490
And they are going to put all those options together
01:04:54.490 --> 01:04:56.420
and bring them back to us in April
01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:58.490
through the Committee on Instruction.
01:04:58.490 --> 01:05:00.600
And we will then make a decision
01:05:00.600 --> 01:05:02.050
and bring it before the board
01:05:03.622 --> 01:05:05.800
as to what we,
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.340
as to what we need to do
01:05:07.340 --> 01:05:10.390
in regard to this company being non-compliant
01:05:10.390 --> 01:05:14.840
and has been non-compliant for several years.
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:18.020
So this is not something that just came up overnight.
01:05:18.020 --> 01:05:20.670
This is something, an ongoing thing.
01:05:20.670 --> 01:05:23.430
And we, as the Committee on Instruction, felt like
01:05:23.430 --> 01:05:26.200
we would need to be taking some action
01:05:26.200 --> 01:05:29.300
to let them know that
01:05:29.300 --> 01:05:30.740
the rules have to be followed
01:05:30.740 --> 01:05:31.920
and to also set a--
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.550
We didn't want to not do anything about this
01:05:35.550 --> 01:05:37.110
and set that kind of precedent.
01:05:37.110 --> 01:05:40.410
So we will be coming back to you in April
01:05:40.410 --> 01:05:43.180
with some possibilities of some things
01:05:43.180 --> 01:05:44.830
we might need to do
01:05:44.830 --> 01:05:48.330
in regard to this company and their non-compliance.
01:05:48.330 --> 01:05:49.580
Monica, did I hit it all?
01:05:50.510 --> 01:05:51.790
Okay.
01:05:51.790 --> 01:05:53.270
That's all I have Mr. Chair.
01:05:55.010 --> 01:05:56.670
Ms. Hardy.
01:05:56.670 --> 01:05:57.650
Could you tell
01:05:57.650 --> 01:05:59.300
what was the amount of the fine
01:05:59.300 --> 01:06:02.550
that you could legally levy against them?
01:06:02.550 --> 01:06:03.550
$900,000.
01:06:04.850 --> 01:06:07.330
Mr. Rowley the figure's about $900,000
01:06:08.600 --> 01:06:11.800
for the amount of time that this has been going on.
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.390
It's $1,000 a day for every day of non-compliance
01:06:15.390 --> 01:06:17.220
and it's been three years.
01:06:18.310 --> 01:06:22.750
So it's closer to $1,000,000.
Maybe we can cut a deal.
01:06:23.714 --> 01:06:26.273
As I said,
01:06:26.273 --> 01:06:29.400
staff, Von is gonna work with them
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:30.720
and staff is gonna work
01:06:30.720 --> 01:06:34.320
and they're going to come up with the options that
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:36.580
would be available to us.
01:06:36.580 --> 01:06:39.250
And then we will tentatively make a decision
01:06:39.250 --> 01:06:40.960
in the Committee on Instruction
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.270
and we will bring that forward to you in April
01:06:43.270 --> 01:06:45.410
so that we can make a board decision
01:06:45.410 --> 01:06:46.770
as to what we need to do
01:06:46.770 --> 01:06:49.100
so that they will know and other companies will know
01:06:49.100 --> 01:06:51.120
that the rules have to be followed.
01:06:52.604 --> 01:06:54.836
(member speaking indistinctly)
01:06:54.836 --> 01:06:56.550
(members laughing)
01:06:56.550 --> 01:06:58.650
We're gonna have some really good snags.
01:06:59.950 --> 01:07:02.890
Ms. Perez.
While we're discussing
01:07:02.890 --> 01:07:05.570
what the potential fines are,
01:07:06.530 --> 01:07:08.970
it should also be noted that
01:07:08.970 --> 01:07:10.990
this has ramifications to our students
01:07:10.990 --> 01:07:12.490
with visual impairment.
01:07:12.490 --> 01:07:17.460
It is focused specifically on braille and large print.
01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:20.250
And so fining results in this
01:07:20.250 --> 01:07:22.050
or not taking action results in that.
01:07:22.050 --> 01:07:25.090
But both options don't lead to
01:07:27.010 --> 01:07:29.300
the necessities of our students
01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:33.580
which is how this came to our attention to begin with.
01:07:33.580 --> 01:07:35.260
And so one of the option,
01:07:35.260 --> 01:07:38.330
or I think the only option that we should consider
01:07:38.330 --> 01:07:41.300
would be, what is in the best interests of our students.
01:07:41.300 --> 01:07:43.380
Because right now, we don't have
01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:45.640
or our classroom teachers and students
01:07:45.640 --> 01:07:47.120
don't have the materials that they need
01:07:47.120 --> 01:07:49.460
as a result of this publisher's
01:07:50.580 --> 01:07:52.500
lack of participation in the process.
01:07:54.240 --> 01:07:55.620
Mr. Byer can you speak to actually
01:07:55.620 --> 01:07:58.380
where those funds would be returned to?
01:07:58.380 --> 01:08:00.347
Yeah, so that was a question
01:08:00.347 --> 01:08:02.180
that was coming from committee.
01:08:02.180 --> 01:08:04.910
I'm fairly confident that the funds that are returned
01:08:04.910 --> 01:08:06.817
will go into instructio-- (audio cuts off).
01:08:16.855 --> 01:08:19.396
I'm fairly confident that the funds returned
01:08:19.396 --> 01:08:22.060
will go into the instructional materials fund.
01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:24.140
But we'll have a full,
01:08:26.010 --> 01:08:28.040
a full explanation of that
01:08:28.040 --> 01:08:29.790
when we come back to the committee.
01:08:30.970 --> 01:08:33.620
And then as just a minor point,
01:08:35.480 --> 01:08:38.620
you all have authority under statute to
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:44.470
levy fines and penalties for certain infractions.
01:08:44.470 --> 01:08:45.750
This is not that case.
01:08:45.750 --> 01:08:49.240
This is a case of failure to comply with a contract.
01:08:49.240 --> 01:08:51.490
And so it's not a fine or a penalty
01:08:51.490 --> 01:08:53.050
it is a liquidated damage.
01:08:54.120 --> 01:08:55.230
And,
01:08:55.230 --> 01:08:57.050
I don't know that that matters so much
01:08:57.050 --> 01:08:58.880
for your interpersonal communications
01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.990
but just as a point of legality
01:09:01.990 --> 01:09:02.823
it is not a fine,
01:09:02.823 --> 01:09:05.020
it would a liquidity--
$1,000 a day?
01:09:05.020 --> 01:09:06.920
Correct, you do have a provision
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.830
that imposes $1,000 liquidated damage per day
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:13.120
for non-compliance.
01:09:13.120 --> 01:09:16.530
And that's what we'll be exploring for both the
01:09:16.530 --> 01:09:18.010
when you count it
01:09:18.010 --> 01:09:21.700
and its applicability to this particular provision.
01:09:21.700 --> 01:09:25.670
You also have provisions for termination and mediation.
01:09:25.670 --> 01:09:27.350
And there may be some others lurking in there
01:09:27.350 --> 01:09:28.420
that we'll explore.
01:09:29.770 --> 01:09:30.920
And for clarification 'cause I think
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:32.490
your microphone may have been going in and out
01:09:32.490 --> 01:09:34.800
the fine would go, as you understand it,
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:35.930
to instructional material fund?
01:09:35.930 --> 01:09:39.350
Yes, that's my current belief.
01:09:39.350 --> 01:09:40.830
And I will confirm that
01:09:40.830 --> 01:09:42.986
when we come back to the committee.
01:09:42.986 --> 01:09:44.040
Okay, thank you.
01:09:45.660 --> 01:09:48.920
Any other discussion on this matter?
01:09:51.400 --> 01:09:52.233
Okay, seeing none.
01:09:52.233 --> 01:09:54.050
We will move on to Mr. Maynard
01:09:54.050 --> 01:09:56.400
on item number 16, which begins the
01:09:56.400 --> 01:09:57.510
Committee on School Finance
01:09:57.510 --> 01:09:59.010
and the Permanent School Fund.
01:10:00.120 --> 01:10:01.370
Thank you Mr. Chairman.
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.530
Members if you will find your,
01:10:04.530 --> 01:10:05.760
we're gonna start the,
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:09.298
of course, you always get two sets of minutes with this.
01:10:09.298 --> 01:10:11.220
We're gonna start with the school finance.
01:10:12.670 --> 01:10:13.503
And so,
01:10:14.660 --> 01:10:17.710
on behalf of the Committee on School Finance
01:10:17.710 --> 01:10:18.640
and Permanent School Fund,
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:20.320
this is on page one by the way,
01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:23.760
just about two-thirds of the way down.
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.290
On behalf of the Committee on School Finance
01:10:26.290 --> 01:10:27.590
and Permanent School Fund,
01:10:29.513 --> 01:10:30.960
I move that the State Board of Education
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.270
approve for first reading and filing authorization
01:10:33.270 --> 01:10:37.340
the proposed repeal of 19 TAC Chapter 105,
01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:39.450
Foundation School Program, Subchapter B,
01:10:39.450 --> 01:10:41.521
Use of School Funds.
01:10:41.521 --> 01:10:45.438
(member speaking indistinctly)
01:10:47.480 --> 01:10:48.460
And if I can--
01:10:48.460 --> 01:10:50.430
Yeah, Mr. Maynard is it your intention
01:10:50.430 --> 01:10:52.320
to suspend the board operating procedures
01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:53.890
in accordance with 5.2 A
01:10:53.890 --> 01:10:55.390
to allow consideration at first reading
01:10:55.390 --> 01:10:57.230
of filing authorization?
01:10:57.230 --> 01:11:00.110
Yes, I guess that did not get put in the minutes.
01:11:00.110 --> 01:11:00.943
Yes.
01:11:00.943 --> 01:11:02.180
Is there any objection?
01:11:03.490 --> 01:11:04.540
There's no objection.
01:11:06.250 --> 01:11:07.600
And just so everybody understands is that
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:09.780
kind of what this is that
01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:10.860
and some of you remember
01:11:10.860 --> 01:11:13.060
that we've had some discussions on this board
01:11:13.060 --> 01:11:14.630
in relation to,
01:11:15.500 --> 01:11:17.420
that we've had some statute
01:11:17.420 --> 01:11:20.260
and therefore in rule related to
01:11:20.260 --> 01:11:22.660
what was allowable on indirect cost.
01:11:24.030 --> 01:11:25.900
And that, so,
01:11:25.900 --> 01:11:26.780
in other words is that
01:11:26.780 --> 01:11:29.600
a certain percentage of money
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:31.620
that is generated by a particular program
01:11:31.620 --> 01:11:35.070
has to be direct, fund that directly
01:11:35.070 --> 01:11:37.700
but a certain percentage of it can be used
01:11:37.700 --> 01:11:40.440
to fund the electric bill
01:11:40.440 --> 01:11:42.320
or the janitor or whatever.
01:11:43.400 --> 01:11:48.180
House Bill 3 made this provision irrelevant
01:11:48.180 --> 01:11:50.860
and therefore we are in the process of repealing it.
01:11:50.860 --> 01:11:52.460
And so it's just a really it's a,
01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:53.370
it's a,
01:11:53.370 --> 01:11:54.920
as a result of House Bill 3
01:11:55.900 --> 01:11:58.060
made that rule irrelevant.
01:11:58.060 --> 01:11:59.270
So that's the,
01:12:00.830 --> 01:12:02.070
the long and short of it.
01:12:04.790 --> 01:12:06.320
All right members have voted.
01:12:06.320 --> 01:12:09.500
Two-thirds of the members is necessary.
01:12:09.500 --> 01:12:11.450
Okay, we've all ready actually suspended the rules.
01:12:11.450 --> 01:12:13.100
This is first reading.
Okay.
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:16.353
So,
01:12:18.156 --> 01:12:19.791
not two-thirds majority?
01:12:19.791 --> 01:12:20.780
It is still.
Okay.
01:12:20.780 --> 01:12:22.120
It is still.
Okay.
01:12:22.120 --> 01:12:25.380
So this is still a two-thirds majority vote.
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:27.630
Is there any further discussion on this item?
01:12:30.370 --> 01:12:31.480
Seeing none.
01:12:31.480 --> 01:12:33.667
Those in favor please raise your hand.
01:12:36.742 --> 01:12:39.840
Those opposed please raise your hand.
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.000
Right, there are two-thirds in favor
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:45.720
and the recommendation is adopted.
01:12:47.490 --> 01:12:48.560
Okay.
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:50.910
If you'll go to your second set of minutes
01:12:50.910 --> 01:12:53.110
and this is the permanent school fund items.
01:12:57.030 --> 01:12:58.370
And on page three,
01:12:59.740 --> 01:13:03.660
on behalf of the Committee on School Finance
01:13:03.660 --> 01:13:04.960
and Permanent School Fund,
01:13:06.460 --> 01:13:07.860
I move that the State Board of Education
01:13:07.860 --> 01:13:10.130
approve for second reading and final adoption
01:13:10.130 --> 01:13:13.310
a proposed amendment to 19 TAC Chapter 33,
01:13:14.160 --> 01:13:15.790
Statement of Investment Objectives,
01:13:15.790 --> 01:13:18.150
Policies, and Guidelines of the Permanent School Fund,
01:13:18.150 --> 01:13:21.590
Subchapter A, State Board of Education Rules, and
01:13:21.590 --> 01:13:23.110
make an affirmative finding that
01:13:23.110 --> 01:13:25.110
immediate adoption of the proposed amendments to
01:13:25.110 --> 01:13:28.890
19 TAC Chapter 33, Statement of Investment Objectives,
01:13:28.890 --> 01:13:31.560
Policies, and Guidelines of the Permanent School Fund,
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:33.670
Subchapter A, State Board of Education Rules
01:13:33.670 --> 01:13:37.160
is necessary and shall have an effective date of
01:13:37.160 --> 01:13:40.950
20 days after filing as adopted with the Texas Register.
01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:48.750
A two-thirds vote of this is also required
01:13:48.750 --> 01:13:51.460
to establish an early effective date.
01:13:51.460 --> 01:13:53.660
Is there any further debate on this item?
01:13:56.820 --> 01:13:58.080
Hearing none, those in favor
01:13:58.080 --> 01:13:59.230
please raise your hand.
01:14:02.100 --> 01:14:03.010
Those opposed
01:14:04.750 --> 01:14:05.900
please raise your hand.
01:14:08.830 --> 01:14:09.990
There are two-thirds in favor
01:14:09.990 --> 01:14:12.640
and the recommendation is adopted.
01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:13.740
Mr. Chairman I just,
01:14:15.290 --> 01:14:16.123
members
01:14:17.530 --> 01:14:18.390
we can,
01:14:18.390 --> 01:14:21.470
we can send you some of these talking points via email.
01:14:21.470 --> 01:14:23.690
But I want to update on a few things
01:14:23.690 --> 01:14:25.200
because I know that many of you go out
01:14:25.200 --> 01:14:27.150
and you speak.
01:14:27.150 --> 01:14:30.060
And you talk a little bit about the permanent school fund.
01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:33.350
So here's some updates that are important for you
01:14:33.350 --> 01:14:35.580
and help you on your talking points.
01:14:35.580 --> 01:14:37.770
Currently our part of the permanent school fund
01:14:37.770 --> 01:14:40.410
is now 34.3 billion.
01:14:41.413 --> 01:14:43.860
And the school and board's portion
01:14:43.860 --> 01:14:45.220
is about 12.2 billion.
01:14:45.220 --> 01:14:48.520
And that makes the fund at this point 46.5 billion
01:14:49.530 --> 01:14:50.630
is where we are,
01:14:50.630 --> 01:14:53.500
46.5 billion is the total value
01:14:53.500 --> 01:14:56.700
of the permanent school fund.
01:14:56.700 --> 01:14:58.160
Bond guarantee program, as you know
01:14:58.160 --> 01:14:59.570
that's a very important thing that we do.
01:14:59.570 --> 01:15:03.460
Currently we are guaranteeing about 87,
01:15:03.460 --> 01:15:06.290
$87 billion in bonds.
01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:09.200
85 billion of that is ISD,
01:15:09.200 --> 01:15:11.170
two billion is charter.
01:15:11.170 --> 01:15:13.050
And our limit on that, by the way,
01:15:14.676 --> 01:15:16.740
is 117 billion.
01:15:16.740 --> 01:15:20.090
And so currently we're in the process now of expanding that.
01:15:20.090 --> 01:15:22.260
Actually that process takes some,
01:15:22.260 --> 01:15:23.870
is gonna probably take about a year and a half
01:15:23.870 --> 01:15:25.760
to navigate that,
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:27.070
to expand that.
01:15:27.070 --> 01:15:28.520
It's been several years since that's happened.
01:15:28.520 --> 01:15:31.030
But we're at that point where we need to do that.
01:15:31.030 --> 01:15:31.863
So,
01:15:31.863 --> 01:15:34.500
the other thing that's worth noting too is is that the,
01:15:35.940 --> 01:15:37.000
that the,
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.810
that the charter school reserve fund
01:15:40.050 --> 01:15:42.780
has grown to about 29 million.
01:15:42.780 --> 01:15:43.790
And I think that when we get to
01:15:43.790 --> 01:15:46.590
somewhere in the neighborhood of 65 million on that,
01:15:46.590 --> 01:15:49.000
now remember that we moved that out of the treasury
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:52.430
and we put it under the management of the staff
01:15:52.430 --> 01:15:53.380
so we could invest that.
01:15:53.380 --> 01:15:54.580
And as result of that
01:15:54.580 --> 01:15:56.700
we've actually been able to grow that.
01:15:56.700 --> 01:15:57.800
The other provision of that is
01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.820
is that once we get to that 65 million
01:15:59.820 --> 01:16:01.910
we're gonna quit collecting that
01:16:01.910 --> 01:16:04.030
because we then, at that point,
01:16:04.030 --> 01:16:06.850
have established that reserve.
01:16:06.850 --> 01:16:09.200
We no longer need to collect that.
01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:11.290
We've taken the position,
01:16:11.290 --> 01:16:12.390
we don't need to be collecting money
01:16:12.390 --> 01:16:14.030
we don't need to collect.
01:16:14.030 --> 01:16:15.890
And once we hit that threshold
01:16:15.890 --> 01:16:17.910
then we will stop collecting that.
01:16:17.910 --> 01:16:19.540
You also recall that the Legislature
01:16:19.540 --> 01:16:20.900
created the liquid fund
01:16:22.215 --> 01:16:26.290
as a solution to what we term the cash drag.
01:16:26.290 --> 01:16:29.240
In September the school and board sent to us
01:16:30.090 --> 01:16:31.620
about $3.9 billion.
01:16:32.631 --> 01:16:34.290
A little less than four billion.
01:16:34.290 --> 01:16:36.890
In December, we received another 145 million.
01:16:38.290 --> 01:16:40.850
Now what that means is is that when they,
01:16:40.850 --> 01:16:42.850
they're limited now in terms of
01:16:42.850 --> 01:16:44.140
how much cash they can hold
01:16:44.140 --> 01:16:45.680
and once they hit that threshold
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:47.040
they have to send that over to us.
01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:48.860
Now we'll tell you that
01:16:48.860 --> 01:16:51.890
our challenge is is it takes a long time
01:16:51.890 --> 01:16:54.230
to deploy that much cash in the marketplace.
01:16:54.230 --> 01:16:55.430
And phase one of that is
01:16:55.430 --> 01:16:58.910
is a fixed income portfolio, in other words bonds.
01:16:58.910 --> 01:17:00.220
And then once we get phase one done
01:17:00.220 --> 01:17:03.070
we will start working on equities.
01:17:03.070 --> 01:17:04.980
And so we'll be able to grow that.
01:17:04.980 --> 01:17:06.600
So currently,
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:11.120
what's in that liquid fund is 4.05
01:17:11.120 --> 01:17:12.450
4.05 billion.
01:17:13.440 --> 01:17:15.340
And what we have deployed to date
01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:17.720
is about 1.2 billion.
01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:19.480
It takes time to do this.
01:17:22.790 --> 01:17:26.030
The other provision of that legislation also
01:17:27.010 --> 01:17:29.950
allowed the State Board of Education part of the PSF
01:17:29.950 --> 01:17:31.940
to retain gains in earnings.
01:17:33.280 --> 01:17:34.920
Remember that we have not received
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.370
a distribution for investment
01:17:37.370 --> 01:17:39.750
since about 2005.
01:17:39.750 --> 01:17:42.040
So all of the growth of our part of the fund
01:17:42.040 --> 01:17:43.370
has actually just come from investment
01:17:43.370 --> 01:17:45.500
not from inflows, at all.
01:17:45.500 --> 01:17:49.750
And so to date we have received about $20 million
01:17:49.750 --> 01:17:53.070
as a result of gains on the liquid account.
01:17:53.070 --> 01:17:54.720
And so that is,
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:58.580
that will actually help us to grow our portion of the fund
01:17:58.580 --> 01:17:59.900
a little bit quicker.
01:18:00.870 --> 01:18:02.270
Just a few little, just,
01:18:02.270 --> 01:18:03.103
just notes.
01:18:04.710 --> 01:18:06.810
You should've received a,
01:18:06.810 --> 01:18:08.180
a packet.
01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:11.050
When you receive your permanent school fund items
01:18:11.050 --> 01:18:13.350
you receive a packet that has the
01:18:13.350 --> 01:18:15.810
third quarter performance report.
01:18:15.810 --> 01:18:18.120
One of our discussions within the committee
01:18:19.280 --> 01:18:20.560
is is that,
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:21.600
how to
01:18:23.070 --> 01:18:25.350
we are always compared to other funds.
01:18:25.350 --> 01:18:26.950
And typically how they do that is is that
01:18:26.950 --> 01:18:30.060
they look at funds that are of similar size.
01:18:30.060 --> 01:18:31.470
But that doesn't necessarily mean
01:18:31.470 --> 01:18:33.880
that those are funds of similar composition
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:35.520
or of similar mission.
01:18:37.380 --> 01:18:39.900
That sometimes we get compared to Ivy League funds
01:18:39.900 --> 01:18:42.980
that are 50 or 60% alternative investments
01:18:42.980 --> 01:18:45.190
that are not guaranteeing local school district bonds
01:18:45.190 --> 01:18:48.470
that don't have to maintain a certain level of liquidity
01:18:48.470 --> 01:18:49.650
to guarantee bonds.
01:18:49.650 --> 01:18:52.100
And therefore that
01:18:52.100 --> 01:18:55.350
we're looking for ways to expand that universe maybe.
01:18:55.350 --> 01:18:59.790
And maybe to have a more fair comparison.
01:18:59.790 --> 01:19:02.610
So that is an ongoing discussion.
01:19:02.610 --> 01:19:05.810
The annual report has not been released
01:19:05.810 --> 01:19:07.190
but should be this next week.
01:19:07.190 --> 01:19:08.660
It'll be online.
01:19:08.660 --> 01:19:11.370
Worth noting is is that for the first time on that
01:19:11.370 --> 01:19:13.120
is is that the,
01:19:13.120 --> 01:19:14.120
the earnings of the,
01:19:15.510 --> 01:19:17.560
of the fund are gonna be expressed
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:19.750
not only gross of fees
01:19:19.750 --> 01:19:21.580
but also net of fees.
01:19:21.580 --> 01:19:24.510
And that's the first time that we're gonna see that.
01:19:24.510 --> 01:19:26.910
And I think that that's really an important part of that.
01:19:26.910 --> 01:19:29.000
One of the things we're really trying to do
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.140
members, is that we're trying to improve
01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:35.090
the transparency of the fund.
01:19:36.820 --> 01:19:39.560
February 25th is the Senate Finance Committee hearing.
01:19:40.590 --> 01:19:42.320
The Senate Finance Committee is holding the hearing
01:19:42.320 --> 01:19:43.960
concerning investments
01:19:44.900 --> 01:19:46.670
on various public funds.
01:19:46.670 --> 01:19:49.210
Keven Ellis and I will be addressing that.
01:19:50.320 --> 01:19:51.770
Also in the April meeting
01:19:52.881 --> 01:19:54.070
we will hear from the,
01:19:57.084 --> 01:19:58.180
the state auditor's office.
01:19:58.180 --> 01:20:00.230
And so they will have completed their work
01:20:00.230 --> 01:20:01.063
on the state auditor
01:20:01.063 --> 01:20:02.540
from the state auditor.
01:20:02.540 --> 01:20:04.610
And also is is that we have also requested
01:20:04.610 --> 01:20:08.320
a meeting with the School Land Board in April.
01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:11.050
The staff continues to work on that.
01:20:11.050 --> 01:20:13.380
So understand that the,
01:20:13.380 --> 01:20:14.840
the law says is that
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:17.640
that we have to hold an annual meeting
01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:18.980
with the School Land Board.
01:20:18.980 --> 01:20:20.150
Well,
01:20:20.150 --> 01:20:22.690
when you read the letter of the statute
01:20:22.690 --> 01:20:25.510
it only really addresses, to talk about investments.
01:20:26.580 --> 01:20:29.340
One of the things that I believe is is that
01:20:29.340 --> 01:20:32.160
I think it'll be helpful for the members of this board
01:20:32.160 --> 01:20:33.510
to better understand,
01:20:33.510 --> 01:20:36.160
to have a more complete understanding
01:20:36.160 --> 01:20:37.880
of the total permanent school fund
01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:40.540
which includes the work of the School Land Board
01:20:40.540 --> 01:20:42.250
which includes all of the sovereign lands
01:20:42.250 --> 01:20:45.430
and all the oil leases and the work that they do.
01:20:45.430 --> 01:20:46.580
I think that would be helpful.
01:20:46.580 --> 01:20:48.710
I think it'd be helpful for
01:20:48.710 --> 01:20:50.240
the members of the School Land Board
01:20:50.240 --> 01:20:52.030
who are now complete by the way,
01:20:52.030 --> 01:20:53.990
now that our members have been seated.
01:20:54.860 --> 01:20:56.870
And to have a better understanding
01:20:56.870 --> 01:20:58.660
of the workings of this board
01:20:58.660 --> 01:21:01.010
and how that actually impacts instruction
01:21:01.010 --> 01:21:04.180
and things like the instructional materials allotment,
01:21:04.180 --> 01:21:05.720
the technology allotment,
01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:07.760
the per capita distribution and things like that.
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:08.593
And so that's,
01:21:10.220 --> 01:21:11.770
Mr. Chairman that is my report.
01:21:12.610 --> 01:21:13.443
And,
01:21:13.443 --> 01:21:14.610
if there's any questions.
01:21:17.100 --> 01:21:17.933
Ms. Bahorich.
01:21:19.580 --> 01:21:22.520
Chairman Maynard, could you go over the
01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.150
constitutional amendment that was passed in November
01:21:25.150 --> 01:21:26.170
and the impact of that.
01:21:26.170 --> 01:21:27.560
And how that would work
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:31.730
should we receive money directly from mineral revenues
01:21:31.730 --> 01:21:33.000
from the Land Board.
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:33.880
Ah, great question.
01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:35.170
I'm not prepared to answer that question.
01:21:35.170 --> 01:21:36.850
But let me, just in a,
01:21:36.850 --> 01:21:38.620
give you the Reader's Digest version.
01:21:38.620 --> 01:21:40.169
How about we put it in an email
01:21:40.169 --> 01:21:41.658
and circulate it among everyone?
01:21:41.658 --> 01:21:43.489
No, this is pretty important.
01:21:43.489 --> 01:21:44.322
Yeah, so,
01:21:44.322 --> 01:21:47.870
so Prop seven on this last November,
01:21:49.070 --> 01:21:50.030
essentially
01:21:51.810 --> 01:21:52.990
stated
01:21:52.990 --> 01:21:57.970
and Keven correct me if I get off the reservation here,
01:21:57.970 --> 01:22:02.370
that additional distributions can be made from
01:22:02.370 --> 01:22:04.870
from revenues from land.
01:22:06.040 --> 01:22:07.900
And that,
01:22:07.900 --> 01:22:11.220
however, we don't actually have any revenue
01:22:11.220 --> 01:22:13.120
directly from state,
01:22:13.120 --> 01:22:14.670
from sovereign land
01:22:14.670 --> 01:22:16.590
or oil and gas revenues and things like that.
01:22:16.590 --> 01:22:18.000
And so that,
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:19.830
if that would ever be the case
01:22:21.250 --> 01:22:23.990
if those revenues would ever come to
01:22:23.990 --> 01:22:25.600
our part of the permanent school fund
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.280
then we would have some latitude
01:22:28.280 --> 01:22:30.550
to make additional distributions
01:22:30.550 --> 01:22:32.380
from that revenue source.
01:22:32.380 --> 01:22:33.950
It doesn't affect us right now
01:22:33.950 --> 01:22:35.600
because we don't actually receive
01:22:36.670 --> 01:22:38.570
those revenues directly at this point.
01:22:43.905 --> 01:22:45.965
Mr. Chairman.
01:22:45.965 --> 01:22:48.450
Ms. Bahorich.
Which is why I just,
01:22:48.450 --> 01:22:50.050
I wanted to make sure that folks understand
01:22:50.050 --> 01:22:51.280
this was an increased authority
01:22:51.280 --> 01:22:53.450
for the State Board of Education
01:22:54.350 --> 01:22:56.550
to allow us to have an additional pathway
01:22:56.550 --> 01:22:58.810
for distributing money to the schools.
01:22:58.810 --> 01:23:01.050
But it has a specific caveat
01:23:01.050 --> 01:23:04.640
and please correct Von, if I say it incorrectly,
01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.820
is that it has to be from current revenues,
01:23:07.820 --> 01:23:08.653
mineral revenues.
01:23:08.653 --> 01:23:09.520
Is that--
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:11.487
Am I saying that correctly?
01:23:11.487 --> 01:23:12.320
Or Mr. Chair?
01:23:14.280 --> 01:23:16.820
Von, you wanna speak to that?
01:23:16.820 --> 01:23:21.820
You're referring to the changes in subsection G?
01:23:22.490 --> 01:23:24.120
The constitutional amendment.
01:23:24.120 --> 01:23:26.730
Oh the constitution that--
Prop seven.
01:23:26.730 --> 01:23:28.510
Mm?
Prop seven.
01:23:28.510 --> 01:23:30.850
Well my book doesn't have it listed by prop.
01:23:32.181 --> 01:23:34.990
(members laughing)
01:23:34.990 --> 01:23:36.360
Under subsection G
01:23:37.318 --> 01:23:39.680
the State board was allowed to
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:41.030
was included in the provision
01:23:41.030 --> 01:23:43.840
that allowed an additional $300 million,
01:23:45.480 --> 01:23:47.760
or I'm sorry, 600 million.
600, yeah.
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:50.060
Dollar distribution.
01:23:52.890 --> 01:23:53.970
I think there is
01:23:55.250 --> 01:23:58.820
actually some area here for us to explore
01:23:58.820 --> 01:24:01.880
because the language says:
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.140
"The State Board of Education General Land Office
01:24:04.140 --> 01:24:07.100
"or another entity that has responsibility
01:24:07.100 --> 01:24:08.780
"for the management of revenues
01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:11.150
"derived from the permanent school fund land,"
01:24:11.150 --> 01:24:15.620
which is what Mr. Maynard was discussing,
01:24:15.620 --> 01:24:17.407
"or other properties."
01:24:17.407 --> 01:24:18.950
And,
01:24:18.950 --> 01:24:21.210
what you all own is other properties.
01:24:21.210 --> 01:24:23.940
So one could argue that
01:24:23.940 --> 01:24:26.240
that was in addition to your total returns.
01:24:26.240 --> 01:24:27.910
But, I think this is,
01:24:27.910 --> 01:24:29.820
this is something that is yet to be,
01:24:29.820 --> 01:24:33.800
that needs to be further fleshed out as to whether
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:36.430
this is a power you could use now
01:24:36.430 --> 01:24:39.362
or you would need to have access to land.
01:24:39.362 --> 01:24:43.171
I think, Mr. Maynard?
Yeah.
01:24:43.171 --> 01:24:45.230
Yeah, and Von, it's my understanding that,
01:24:45.230 --> 01:24:47.630
yeah, while we do have a real estate portfolio
01:24:47.630 --> 01:24:52.530
is is that we own shares in investment funds
01:24:52.530 --> 01:24:54.380
that are supporting certain properties,
01:24:54.380 --> 01:24:55.720
but, for instance,
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:57.440
but we don't actually own the land.
01:24:57.440 --> 01:25:00.850
Well, properties as a legal term
01:25:00.850 --> 01:25:02.720
covers more than just real estate.
01:25:04.350 --> 01:25:07.050
So when it says, "Or other properties,"
01:25:07.050 --> 01:25:09.040
that could include any kind of,
01:25:10.250 --> 01:25:11.660
any kind of thing of value
01:25:11.660 --> 01:25:13.690
that is owned by the PSF.
01:25:15.500 --> 01:25:17.010
That's interesting.
01:25:17.010 --> 01:25:18.430
Ms. Bahorich.
01:25:18.430 --> 01:25:19.720
So all I was gonna say is
01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:22.430
should the Land Office have decided, for instance,
01:25:22.430 --> 01:25:24.210
to go ahead and send straight to us
01:25:25.290 --> 01:25:29.220
the 100 and, what was it, 140 some million,
01:25:29.220 --> 01:25:31.120
that they just sent over to the liquid fund.
01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:32.990
145.
145 million
01:25:32.990 --> 01:25:34.800
that they just sent over to the liquid fund.
01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:37.040
That would've been a decision at that point
01:25:37.040 --> 01:25:39.360
for the board to decide whether
01:25:39.360 --> 01:25:41.110
that we wanted to take advantage, I think,
01:25:41.110 --> 01:25:42.930
for that additional distribution
01:25:44.260 --> 01:25:47.110
that we would've received from that,
01:25:47.110 --> 01:25:48.450
that year's revenues.
01:25:48.450 --> 01:25:49.520
So anyway,
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.050
it's just another pathway for us
01:25:51.050 --> 01:25:52.000
what we've not had,
01:25:52.890 --> 01:25:55.280
other than that bi-annual distribution
01:25:55.280 --> 01:25:57.710
that we could get should we receive revenues from
01:25:57.710 --> 01:25:58.810
the School Land Board.
01:26:03.280 --> 01:26:05.730
All right, any other discussion on this matter?
01:26:07.933 --> 01:26:09.860
Does that conclude your report Mr. Maynard?
01:26:11.010 --> 01:26:12.350
Yes, Mr. Chairman.
Okay.
01:26:12.350 --> 01:26:13.183
Thank you.
01:26:18.440 --> 01:26:19.390
Okay, on,
01:26:19.390 --> 01:26:21.090
we're gonna move to item number 18
01:26:21.090 --> 01:26:23.410
and members, I have an amendment to offer on this one
01:26:23.410 --> 01:26:25.660
and the parliamentarianism for me
01:26:25.660 --> 01:26:28.000
it'd be proper to hand the gavel to the vice chair
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.670
to preside over this item.
01:26:34.750 --> 01:26:36.100
Okay, I guess this is the report of the
01:26:36.100 --> 01:26:37.700
Committee on School Initiatives.
01:26:38.750 --> 01:26:39.583
All right,
01:26:39.583 --> 01:26:40.810
I'll offer the main mention there.
01:26:40.810 --> 01:26:43.120
So Ms. Cargill.
Okay.
01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:47.070
So members, in your Committee on School Initiatives handout
01:26:49.060 --> 01:26:52.620
with the motions, I'm on page three.
01:26:52.620 --> 01:26:53.453
So,
01:26:54.894 --> 01:26:56.330
it was moved by the committee
01:26:56.330 --> 01:26:57.790
that the State Board of Education
01:26:57.790 --> 01:27:00.690
approve for second reading and final adoption
01:27:00.690 --> 01:27:03.710
proposed amendments to 19 TAC Chapter 61,
01:27:03.710 --> 01:27:05.970
School Districts, Subchapter A,
01:27:05.970 --> 01:27:09.430
Board of Trustees Relationship as substituted.
01:27:09.430 --> 01:27:11.680
And you have that in attachment A.
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.700
And make an affirmative finding
01:27:13.700 --> 01:27:16.000
that immediate adoption of the proposed amendments
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:19.560
to 19 TAC Chapter 61, School Districts,
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:22.550
Subchapter A, Board of Trustees Relationship
01:27:22.550 --> 01:27:25.340
is necessary and shall have an effective date
01:27:25.340 --> 01:27:29.200
of 20 days after filing as adopted with the Texas Register.
01:27:29.200 --> 01:27:31.450
Okay, is there any discussion on this item?
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:35.920
Dr. Ellis.
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:38.390
Yeah, members I do have an amendment I wanna propose.
01:27:38.390 --> 01:27:40.400
And I wanna try to walk you through
01:27:40.400 --> 01:27:41.960
my thought process on this.
01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:46.100
The handout of my amendment is being given by Lenny.
01:27:46.950 --> 01:27:48.540
Now, first of all, I would state
01:27:48.540 --> 01:27:51.800
that I absolutely propose the rule
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:53.640
as was presented by staff
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:54.850
except for this one little point.
01:27:54.850 --> 01:27:57.300
So regardless of whether I prevail on this amendment
01:27:57.300 --> 01:27:58.530
or fail on this amendment
01:27:58.530 --> 01:28:01.510
I am still gonna support the main amendment
01:28:01.510 --> 01:28:03.220
because I think there's a lot of good stuff
01:28:03.220 --> 01:28:04.880
that staff has done with this.
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.720
And I believe Drew is here
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:09.310
and can also speak to some of that also.
01:28:09.310 --> 01:28:10.460
But essentially we all believe
01:28:10.460 --> 01:28:11.910
that there can be an improvement
01:28:11.910 --> 01:28:13.240
in the team-building training.
01:28:13.240 --> 01:28:14.450
And that's what this relates to.
01:28:14.450 --> 01:28:18.050
My motion relates to the team-building section.
01:28:18.050 --> 01:28:20.110
As you all know that there's a lot of
01:28:20.110 --> 01:28:21.400
different type of training
01:28:21.400 --> 01:28:24.160
that the State Board of Education is responsible
01:28:24.160 --> 01:28:27.600
for making sure that board of trustees go through.
01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:29.590
And it's anywhere from
01:28:29.590 --> 01:28:32.280
an introduction to the education code,
01:28:32.280 --> 01:28:36.310
for new trustees to have a meeting with the superintendent,
01:28:36.310 --> 01:28:39.010
to the 10 or so hours of continuing education.
01:28:39.930 --> 01:28:41.800
There's a team-building training.
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:43.430
There's the accountability training
01:28:43.430 --> 01:28:44.970
which is the 1566.
01:28:44.970 --> 01:28:47.630
And there's new things such as
01:28:47.630 --> 01:28:50.640
human trafficking training that has to take place.
01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:53.080
So my amendment, just for clarification
01:28:53.080 --> 01:28:55.740
refers to the team-building training
01:28:55.740 --> 01:28:56.910
for school boards.
01:28:56.910 --> 01:28:59.810
The team-building training is based on a framework
01:28:59.810 --> 01:29:01.140
for school board development
01:29:01.140 --> 01:29:03.230
that is a State Board of Education document
01:29:03.230 --> 01:29:06.370
that was last revised in 2012.
01:29:06.370 --> 01:29:07.300
But from my understanding
01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:08.700
that was a very light revision
01:29:08.700 --> 01:29:12.140
and probably a lot of this research from the framework
01:29:12.140 --> 01:29:14.900
goes back, probably many decades.
01:29:14.900 --> 01:29:16.570
And I think we all understand
01:29:16.570 --> 01:29:19.710
that there can be some improvement done in team-building
01:29:19.710 --> 01:29:21.900
based upon improving that framework
01:29:21.900 --> 01:29:23.590
for school board governance.
01:29:23.590 --> 01:29:25.000
So to get to the meat of the matter
01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:28.260
this issue of my amendment revolves around
01:29:28.260 --> 01:29:31.210
whether we have just registered providers
01:29:31.210 --> 01:29:35.050
doing this training versus an authorized provider.
01:29:35.050 --> 01:29:36.090
So for clarification,
01:29:36.090 --> 01:29:38.200
a registered provider is just someone
01:29:38.200 --> 01:29:43.200
who essentially goes to the TEA website,
01:29:43.550 --> 01:29:44.750
fills out the application,
01:29:44.750 --> 01:29:46.990
they do have to show what expertise
01:29:46.990 --> 01:29:48.660
or credentialing they have.
01:29:48.660 --> 01:29:51.550
But essentially it's a sign up process
01:29:51.550 --> 01:29:53.480
to be a registered provider.
01:29:53.480 --> 01:29:55.600
That's where the training is at now.
01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:57.910
What the agency staff is proposing
01:29:57.910 --> 01:30:01.220
is to raise that to being an authorized provider.
01:30:02.210 --> 01:30:06.310
An authorized provider has to either take training
01:30:06.310 --> 01:30:10.130
on the 1566 Accountability Training
01:30:10.130 --> 01:30:12.090
the way it's set up for right now,
01:30:12.090 --> 01:30:13.210
and then pass a test.
01:30:13.210 --> 01:30:15.110
And that was a test that we referred to
01:30:15.110 --> 01:30:17.910
I believe it was on one of the days earlier this week
01:30:17.910 --> 01:30:18.820
that was in the backroom
01:30:18.820 --> 01:30:21.300
that was available for us to look at.
01:30:21.300 --> 01:30:24.110
It was not, I agree, an onerous or burdensome test.
01:30:24.110 --> 01:30:26.370
It was good information.
01:30:26.370 --> 01:30:28.610
But my point is that that is
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.650
a training and test
01:30:31.650 --> 01:30:35.630
on the 1566 part of board training
01:30:35.630 --> 01:30:37.820
which is about accountability.
01:30:37.820 --> 01:30:39.490
And I think the idea is,
01:30:39.490 --> 01:30:42.710
if there is an improvement that needs to be taken
01:30:42.710 --> 01:30:44.490
on the team-building section
01:30:44.490 --> 01:30:46.210
that's based on the framework,
01:30:46.210 --> 01:30:48.094
what staff is looking at is
01:30:48.094 --> 01:30:49.610
we can improve that by making sure
01:30:49.610 --> 01:30:51.660
we have the highest quality trainers
01:30:51.660 --> 01:30:53.460
who's taken this training.
01:30:53.460 --> 01:30:56.060
But my contention is that
01:30:56.060 --> 01:30:58.900
this is not a training and testing on
01:30:58.900 --> 01:31:00.510
teaching team-building.
01:31:00.510 --> 01:31:04.230
This is a training and testing on 1566
01:31:04.230 --> 01:31:05.760
which is the accountability.
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.920
I do fully agree that there is a good bit of overlap
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.450
between what should happen in a team-building training
01:31:11.450 --> 01:31:13.390
and what's going on with accountability.
01:31:13.390 --> 01:31:16.230
Ideally boards are talking about their vision
01:31:16.230 --> 01:31:17.730
which is one of the pillars,
01:31:17.730 --> 01:31:19.130
which would be goal setting.
01:31:19.130 --> 01:31:22.380
Accountability is one of the pillars of the framework,
01:31:22.380 --> 01:31:23.770
they should be talking about that.
01:31:23.770 --> 01:31:26.220
But that's not the only part of the framework
01:31:26.220 --> 01:31:27.460
that we have.
01:31:27.460 --> 01:31:30.320
There are other things such as structure,
01:31:30.320 --> 01:31:32.360
we're talking about board operating procedures
01:31:32.360 --> 01:31:33.470
or board governance.
01:31:33.470 --> 01:31:35.030
And there's also about unity,
01:31:35.030 --> 01:31:36.380
how that they work together
01:31:37.390 --> 01:31:39.430
among each other as board members
01:31:39.430 --> 01:31:41.850
is part of the team-building training
01:31:41.850 --> 01:31:43.260
but would not be necessarily
01:31:43.260 --> 01:31:46.540
part of the training and testing that they would get
01:31:46.540 --> 01:31:48.920
through the accountability training.
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.100
So, as we work through this
01:31:51.100 --> 01:31:52.350
I do also wanna state
01:31:52.350 --> 01:31:55.150
that I am hesitant to do this on a second reading
01:31:55.150 --> 01:31:56.450
on a Friday.
01:31:56.450 --> 01:31:58.610
But let me, I wanna speak a little bit about that.
01:31:58.610 --> 01:32:01.820
We did ask them to go back after first reading.
01:32:01.820 --> 01:32:04.393
When I say, "They," I mean TASB
01:32:04.393 --> 01:32:07.100
who is part of this discussion with that
01:32:07.100 --> 01:32:08.970
to work with agency staff
01:32:08.970 --> 01:32:10.330
and to work on a compromise.
01:32:10.330 --> 01:32:12.640
And many, many times this has come up in the past
01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:15.050
we've instructed them to go back
01:32:15.050 --> 01:32:16.340
and come up with a compromise.
01:32:16.340 --> 01:32:18.870
And most of the time they have tended to do that.
01:32:18.870 --> 01:32:20.700
I think, in this case, they might be
01:32:20.700 --> 01:32:24.150
what is described as irreconcilable differences.
01:32:24.150 --> 01:32:25.810
So when they came back they both said that
01:32:25.810 --> 01:32:27.390
we cannot come to a compromise
01:32:27.390 --> 01:32:30.940
and the agency is still proposing these changes.
01:32:31.950 --> 01:32:33.070
The other reason
01:32:33.070 --> 01:32:34.950
that I'm bringing it forward on a Friday is that
01:32:34.950 --> 01:32:36.080
it did fail in committee
01:32:36.080 --> 01:32:37.460
but it failed on a two-to-two vote.
01:32:37.460 --> 01:32:41.520
One of our members was out for a family emerg,
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:42.630
or a family situation
01:32:42.630 --> 01:32:43.820
so was not able to be there.
01:32:43.820 --> 01:32:47.290
So it did fail but it failed on a two-to-two vote.
01:32:47.290 --> 01:32:48.180
And then the third reason
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:50.720
I'm comfortable in bringing this up
01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:52.020
on a second reading on a Friday
01:32:52.020 --> 01:32:53.420
is I'm not proposing something
01:32:53.420 --> 01:32:56.270
that's gonna take us into unchartered territory,
01:32:56.270 --> 01:32:57.720
you know something new.
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.320
My proposal is actually to keep the status quo.
01:33:01.320 --> 01:33:03.520
It's not for a new process or something new
01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:07.130
that's not been vetted or taken out for public comment.
01:33:07.130 --> 01:33:09.240
It's to keep the status quo.
01:33:09.240 --> 01:33:11.030
Now, as we go through this
01:33:11.030 --> 01:33:12.670
I fully believe and I understand
01:33:12.670 --> 01:33:14.900
where the agency's coming from on this that we,
01:33:14.900 --> 01:33:17.740
I believe we need better team-building training.
01:33:17.740 --> 01:33:20.230
But it's my contention that we do that
01:33:20.230 --> 01:33:21.610
by getting together,
01:33:21.610 --> 01:33:24.980
and I'm very willing to be part of a process
01:33:24.980 --> 01:33:27.230
and working with the Chair of School Initiatives
01:33:27.230 --> 01:33:30.020
to let's take a re-look at our framework
01:33:30.020 --> 01:33:32.270
for school board governance.
01:33:32.270 --> 01:33:34.880
If we need to get some stakeholder engagement
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:35.713
whether it,
01:33:35.713 --> 01:33:37.050
whatever that would look like,
01:33:37.050 --> 01:33:40.680
I'm ready to start that process as soon as Monday.
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:42.500
I also think it'd be useful down the road
01:33:42.500 --> 01:33:44.590
when we get done with that to look at
01:33:44.590 --> 01:33:46.880
this section of our rules on
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:49.850
what are our exact expectations
01:33:49.850 --> 01:33:51.030
in team-building training.
01:33:51.030 --> 01:33:53.670
What do we want school boards to accomplish.
01:33:53.670 --> 01:33:55.850
And I think we can be more clear in our rules.
01:33:55.850 --> 01:33:58.640
So I think there could be some changes in our rules
01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:01.740
in the future, in addition to looking at the framework
01:34:01.740 --> 01:34:03.110
of school board governance.
01:34:03.110 --> 01:34:05.790
And then lastly, I've also talked with staff
01:34:05.790 --> 01:34:07.580
and they believe that there is a process
01:34:07.580 --> 01:34:10.950
that we could have an authorized provider training
01:34:10.950 --> 01:34:12.850
but then authorized for team-building,
01:34:14.150 --> 01:34:15.870
a training and a testing to become
01:34:15.870 --> 01:34:18.570
an authorized team-builder trainer not,
01:34:18.570 --> 01:34:21.710
in addition to being the accountability trainer
01:34:21.710 --> 01:34:24.280
that is currently in process.
01:34:24.280 --> 01:34:26.190
I know that Drew Howard is here
01:34:26.190 --> 01:34:28.220
from the agency also.
01:34:28.220 --> 01:34:30.450
He has mentioned to me that he can be a resource
01:34:30.450 --> 01:34:34.460
if the presiding officer would like to call him up
01:34:34.460 --> 01:34:35.850
and to bring that up also.
01:34:35.850 --> 01:34:39.060
So that is my layout of why I'm doing this.
01:34:39.060 --> 01:34:41.750
The amendment is simply to
01:34:41.750 --> 01:34:43.960
go back to how it is currently
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:45.910
that it'll be provided by a registered provider
01:34:45.910 --> 01:34:48.420
or also an ESC provider.
01:34:48.420 --> 01:34:50.270
Do you wanna make your motion?
01:34:50.270 --> 01:34:52.250
So my motion would be to
01:34:52.250 --> 01:34:57.250
amend proposed new 61.1 B four F
01:34:57.810 --> 01:34:59.340
to read as follows:
01:34:59.340 --> 01:35:00.950
"The team-building session shall be provided
01:35:00.950 --> 01:35:02.680
"by an ESC or a registered provider
01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:05.470
"as described by subsection C of this section."
01:35:05.470 --> 01:35:06.900
Is there a second?
01:35:06.900 --> 01:35:07.733
Okay.
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:10.500
Ms. Perez-Diaz.
01:35:10.500 --> 01:35:11.610
Thank you Mr. Chair.
01:35:11.610 --> 01:35:14.070
And chairman thank you so much for your explanation.
01:35:14.070 --> 01:35:15.140
I think you did a beautiful job
01:35:15.140 --> 01:35:16.790
of articulating where you stand.
01:35:16.790 --> 01:35:20.520
And all I've got to say that I stand in favor of the motion.
01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:23.020
And I wanted to specifically address
01:35:23.020 --> 01:35:24.240
my position on this.
01:35:25.608 --> 01:35:27.550
I very, very much value the amount of work
01:35:27.550 --> 01:35:32.550
that staff put into making this a pretty thorough document.
01:35:33.170 --> 01:35:35.090
My only concern is,
01:35:35.090 --> 01:35:36.970
I'm looking at this from,
01:35:36.970 --> 01:35:38.850
from an equity perspective.
01:35:38.850 --> 01:35:40.660
And in my district alone
01:35:40.660 --> 01:35:42.870
there's been quite a bit of intervention
01:35:42.870 --> 01:35:45.510
in our school board governance.
01:35:45.510 --> 01:35:47.970
And of concern to me, in particular,
01:35:47.970 --> 01:35:51.670
are the relationships among some of these boards.
01:35:51.670 --> 01:35:53.620
And so I think that, absolutely,
01:35:53.620 --> 01:35:56.150
accountability focus is really, really critical.
01:35:56.150 --> 01:35:57.500
But I think before you can ever get to
01:35:57.500 --> 01:35:59.200
the accountability conversations
01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:01.050
you need to be able to have conversations
01:36:01.050 --> 01:36:02.310
with your colleagues.
01:36:02.310 --> 01:36:07.060
And so, I think that there needs to be a critical focus on
01:36:07.060 --> 01:36:08.690
things like emotional intelligence
01:36:08.690 --> 01:36:10.310
and having crucial conversations.
01:36:10.310 --> 01:36:12.300
And so, I don't necessarily know,
01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:15.880
I actually agree with perhaps a process for
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:19.290
identifying those (audio cuts out)
01:36:19.290 --> 01:36:21.400
that will focus on team-building.
01:36:21.400 --> 01:36:22.900
But at this,
01:36:22.900 --> 01:36:25.850
at this particular moment I believe that
01:36:25.850 --> 01:36:27.240
we should allow for the flexibility
01:36:27.240 --> 01:36:28.280
for those board members
01:36:28.280 --> 01:36:30.230
that need particular types of training
01:36:30.230 --> 01:36:32.170
to make those decisions locally.
01:36:32.170 --> 01:36:33.030
Okay, thank you.
01:36:33.030 --> 01:36:33.863
Dr. Robinson.
01:36:35.910 --> 01:36:37.570
Thank you.
01:36:37.570 --> 01:36:38.403
Yeah, I've,
01:36:39.790 --> 01:36:42.280
I wanna give some perspective as I'm like Keven,
01:36:42.280 --> 01:36:44.740
I was on a school board for 10 years.
01:36:44.740 --> 01:36:46.630
So I've been through all these
01:36:46.630 --> 01:36:48.940
team-building trainings and things.
01:36:48.940 --> 01:36:50.900
And a member of the TEA staff
01:36:50.900 --> 01:36:53.100
called me this past weekend
01:36:53.100 --> 01:36:55.360
to talk about this issue.
01:36:55.360 --> 01:36:57.740
And I pointed out to him that
01:36:57.740 --> 01:37:01.800
it just seems to me, just on the surface that
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.380
that the TEA in proposing this
01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:06.940
was not trusting the superintendents
01:37:06.940 --> 01:37:11.490
to pick out a quality team-building program
01:37:11.490 --> 01:37:13.070
or team training.
01:37:14.340 --> 01:37:15.173
And that,
01:37:16.310 --> 01:37:18.180
I think that the superintendents
01:37:18.180 --> 01:37:20.480
and each individual district think
01:37:20.480 --> 01:37:22.820
what they want and need are gonna be different.
01:37:22.820 --> 01:37:23.810
And I think that we need
01:37:23.810 --> 01:37:25.810
to trust the superintendents to do that.
01:37:26.860 --> 01:37:28.780
But where this is originally coming from
01:37:28.780 --> 01:37:30.660
is there's a very small percent,
01:37:30.660 --> 01:37:32.660
it's probably, I don't know what it is,
01:37:32.660 --> 01:37:35.520
a couple percent of boards across the state
01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:36.790
have a lot of dysfunction.
01:37:36.790 --> 01:37:39.470
And so it seems like that that's,
01:37:39.470 --> 01:37:42.220
that that's where this is trying to focus
01:37:42.220 --> 01:37:46.290
in trying to make them get better training.
01:37:46.290 --> 01:37:47.670
But really when you,
01:37:47.670 --> 01:37:49.680
if you look at those boards
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:51.240
that have severe dysfunction,
01:37:53.030 --> 01:37:55.880
that they're not gonna be made better or worse.
01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:57.290
And some of them have already had
01:37:57.290 --> 01:37:59.090
Lone Star Governance training
01:37:59.090 --> 01:38:00.840
and haven't improved at all.
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:04.040
So I don't think that this,
01:38:04.040 --> 01:38:05.680
that what the TEA is proposing
01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:08.830
is going to have a real effect
01:38:08.830 --> 01:38:10.510
on that real small percent
01:38:11.420 --> 01:38:12.830
of boards that are dysfunctional.
01:38:12.830 --> 01:38:13.840
And at the same time
01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:15.750
I think that the superintendents
01:38:15.750 --> 01:38:18.580
in each individual district are better,
01:38:18.580 --> 01:38:20.560
in a better position
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:23.780
and are the professionals to choose the training.
01:38:23.780 --> 01:38:26.460
So I just don't think that there is a need
01:38:27.480 --> 01:38:28.920
to make a change.
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:32.090
And then also yesterday, we were told,
01:38:32.090 --> 01:38:34.800
we were given a list of about 20 school board members
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:36.050
that were on a committee.
01:38:36.983 --> 01:38:40.930
And then we were told and I asked for clarification,
01:38:40.930 --> 01:38:44.760
was there unanimous approval of this group
01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:47.220
of school board members for this.
01:38:47.220 --> 01:38:48.410
And he said yes.
01:38:49.750 --> 01:38:52.400
And of those 20, six of them I know personally.
01:38:52.400 --> 01:38:54.070
I found out, since then,
01:38:54.070 --> 01:38:56.270
that that was definitely not the case.
01:38:56.270 --> 01:39:00.550
There was quite bit of people on that list,
01:39:00.550 --> 01:39:04.580
school board members that did not agree with this,
01:39:04.580 --> 01:39:06.040
which, so,
01:39:06.040 --> 01:39:08.910
So that's why I'm speaking in favor of
01:39:08.910 --> 01:39:10.820
Dr. Ellis's amendment.
01:39:10.820 --> 01:39:12.360
Okay, Ms. Bahorich.
01:39:14.090 --> 01:39:15.620
If there's no objection,
01:39:15.620 --> 01:39:17.430
I would like to hear from staff a little bit more
01:39:17.430 --> 01:39:20.060
'cause we weren't privy to the conversations, Thursday.
01:39:20.060 --> 01:39:22.840
So if we could get a perspective on this
01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:24.550
and the staff's,
01:39:25.470 --> 01:39:27.260
why this recommendation was brought.
01:39:27.260 --> 01:39:28.093
Okay.
01:39:28.093 --> 01:39:29.780
Any objection to that, members?
01:39:31.540 --> 01:39:33.140
Mr. Cortez.
01:39:33.140 --> 01:39:34.570
I would also ask that if,
01:39:35.510 --> 01:39:37.660
if TASB's here, I know that they spoke yesterday
01:39:37.660 --> 01:39:38.560
and I missed them.
01:39:39.450 --> 01:39:41.240
I'd like to hear their side of it as well
01:39:41.240 --> 01:39:42.490
if that's at all possible.
01:39:42.490 --> 01:39:43.730
Okay, let's take it one at a time.
01:39:43.730 --> 01:39:48.380
Any objection to staff giving us some testimony
01:39:48.380 --> 01:39:49.330
in that regard?
01:39:49.330 --> 01:39:50.163
Okay.
01:39:50.163 --> 01:39:55.163
Now any objection to TASB giving some testimony as well?
01:39:55.500 --> 01:39:56.370
Okay, hearing none.
01:39:56.370 --> 01:39:57.550
Then we'll proceed forward.
01:39:57.550 --> 01:39:59.420
So, is it Mr. ??
01:40:04.230 --> 01:40:07.320
And if you would identify yourself, please sir.
01:40:07.320 --> 01:40:08.290
Dr. Drew Howard.
01:40:09.240 --> 01:40:10.390
If we can, there we go.
01:40:10.390 --> 01:40:12.890
Dr. Drew Howard, Senior Director of
01:40:12.890 --> 01:40:15.550
School Governance and Leadership Support for TEA.
01:40:17.700 --> 01:40:20.720
First of all, I guess the main reason for
01:40:22.270 --> 01:40:24.900
this change is,
01:40:24.900 --> 01:40:26.310
let me back up just a bit.
01:40:26.310 --> 01:40:27.920
The process we have gone through
01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:29.630
is we have worked really hard to try to get
01:40:29.630 --> 01:40:31.220
as much stakeholder engagement,
01:40:31.220 --> 01:40:32.890
involvement as possible.
01:40:32.890 --> 01:40:35.140
Through this process we've engaged
01:40:35.140 --> 01:40:38.010
all of our executive directors from our service centers,
01:40:38.010 --> 01:40:39.600
board members from across the State.
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:41.300
We did have a board advisory council
01:40:41.300 --> 01:40:45.440
that had around 20, 22-ish members
01:40:45.440 --> 01:40:47.690
that served on that, as well as
01:40:47.690 --> 01:40:50.040
having conversations with other superintendents
01:40:50.040 --> 01:40:51.550
and board members from across the State.
01:40:51.550 --> 01:40:54.840
So the amendments that were brought to the committee
01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:55.673
were a,
01:40:58.060 --> 01:41:01.380
hopefully, the work was done to be reflective
01:41:01.380 --> 01:41:02.550
of the comments and feedback
01:41:02.550 --> 01:41:04.200
that we've heard across the State.
01:41:04.200 --> 01:41:06.880
We did have unanimous consent
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:10.910
and support for the amendment as presented
01:41:10.910 --> 01:41:13.920
from all 20 executive directors from our service centers.
01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:16.080
I think that's fairly rare
01:41:16.080 --> 01:41:18.870
when you go around the entire State of Texas
01:41:18.870 --> 01:41:22.020
to have all 20 supportive of the rule as proposed.
01:41:22.020 --> 01:41:24.280
We did have a board advisory council.
01:41:24.280 --> 01:41:25.113
It was
01:41:26.650 --> 01:41:28.510
Dr. Robinson I'll say, he was
01:41:28.510 --> 01:41:30.610
tried to make very, very clear
01:41:30.610 --> 01:41:32.280
on several, several occasions
01:41:32.280 --> 01:41:35.700
with several opportunities for conversations
01:41:35.700 --> 01:41:37.220
of that board advisory council
01:41:37.220 --> 01:41:39.930
to make sure that it was a unanimous decision
01:41:39.930 --> 01:41:41.110
amongst all of those members
01:41:41.110 --> 01:41:42.210
to bring that forward.
01:41:43.420 --> 01:41:45.410
There was testifier that was there
01:41:45.410 --> 01:41:47.700
was on that committee that even testified
01:41:47.700 --> 01:41:49.450
to make sure that was clear
01:41:49.450 --> 01:41:52.820
that it was unanimous for all those members
01:41:52.820 --> 01:41:54.020
on that committee.
01:41:56.030 --> 01:41:58.800
The two big rubbing points were this one
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.590
with the authorized provider versus registered provider.
01:42:02.590 --> 01:42:05.360
Right now the registered provider,
01:42:05.360 --> 01:42:06.820
as Dr. Ellis explained,
01:42:06.820 --> 01:42:08.600
in order to become a registered provider
01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:10.920
you go online to our website,
01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:12.600
you complete a form
01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:15.110
and then you become a registered provider.
01:42:15.110 --> 01:42:16.480
We feel very strongly,
01:42:16.480 --> 01:42:18.450
and it was felt strongly in these committees
01:42:18.450 --> 01:42:19.690
that that's not the threshold
01:42:19.690 --> 01:42:21.130
that we wanna set across the State
01:42:21.130 --> 01:42:23.650
for team-building for our board members.
01:42:23.650 --> 01:42:26.350
Because we want to improve our student outcomes.
01:42:26.350 --> 01:42:29.020
We don't want to put the training
01:42:29.020 --> 01:42:31.120
that is as important as team-building
01:42:31.120 --> 01:42:34.080
into the place where it's
01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:35.920
honestly more convenient for adults
01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:37.530
because it's a registered provider.
01:42:37.530 --> 01:42:39.790
We wanna make sure the training providers
01:42:39.790 --> 01:42:41.460
that are in front of school boards
01:42:41.460 --> 01:42:42.780
actually understand and know
01:42:42.780 --> 01:42:44.880
the components of State accountability.
01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:47.920
They understand the components of team-building.
01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:51.210
They understand the components of the Open Meetings Act.
01:42:51.210 --> 01:42:53.390
Because of House Bill 3,
01:42:53.390 --> 01:42:55.760
and boards now taking a more active role
01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:58.850
and having to adopt plans that have specific goals
01:42:58.850 --> 01:43:00.220
within those plans.
01:43:01.130 --> 01:43:04.850
There are items that can and cannot be discussed
01:43:04.850 --> 01:43:07.620
in regional meetings versus a local meeting.
01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:09.910
And that's,
01:43:09.910 --> 01:43:12.470
that can put boards in a compromising position
01:43:12.470 --> 01:43:14.520
if they start discussing specifics of goals
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:17.740
in a regional setting versus a local setting
01:43:17.740 --> 01:43:19.290
within the district boundaries.
01:43:20.752 --> 01:43:22.240
A lot of the registered providers,
01:43:22.240 --> 01:43:24.160
board members, superintendents trust their judgment
01:43:24.160 --> 01:43:26.190
expect them to know what criteria
01:43:26.190 --> 01:43:28.240
the training needs to be set around.
01:43:28.240 --> 01:43:31.230
And they can get our boards in trouble
01:43:31.230 --> 01:43:34.360
if the trainings aren't done accurately
01:43:34.360 --> 01:43:35.310
and posted correctly.
01:43:35.310 --> 01:43:37.800
So that's another reason for the authorized providers.
01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:39.010
They will go through
01:43:39.010 --> 01:43:41.840
the process to become an authorized provider,
01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:44.900
is go through a training course.
01:43:44.900 --> 01:43:48.490
And then there is an exam at the end of that course.
01:43:48.490 --> 01:43:49.830
It's 25-question exam,
01:43:49.830 --> 01:43:53.550
you're able to view some of those questions.
01:43:53.550 --> 01:43:56.630
Our hope is to build out that test bank even further
01:43:56.630 --> 01:43:59.160
to include more and more of the criteria
01:43:59.160 --> 01:44:01.700
of team-building credit as well.
01:44:03.350 --> 01:44:04.400
I don't know if that helped answer
01:44:04.400 --> 01:44:06.743
some of the process we've gone through to do that.
01:44:06.743 --> 01:44:08.190
But ask questions.
Sure,
01:44:08.190 --> 01:44:10.020
I have a question, Dr. Howard, first though
01:44:10.020 --> 01:44:12.650
and then we'll call on the other members.
01:44:12.650 --> 01:44:16.460
What portion of the training that currently exists
01:44:16.460 --> 01:44:18.330
to become an authorized provider
01:44:18.330 --> 01:44:20.230
deals specifically with team-building.
01:44:21.140 --> 01:44:22.960
Yeah, so, the
01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.510
the 1566 required training,
01:44:25.510 --> 01:44:28.430
Evaluating and Improving Student Outcomes deals with,
01:44:28.430 --> 01:44:31.340
the new content of that training deals with
01:44:31.340 --> 01:44:34.400
basically the vision and the accountability parts
01:44:34.400 --> 01:44:36.500
of the State board framework.
01:44:36.500 --> 01:44:38.750
So understanding the State accountability system,
01:44:38.750 --> 01:44:41.510
local accountability, as well as
01:44:43.100 --> 01:44:45.410
setting good goals and what are best practices
01:44:45.410 --> 01:44:47.630
and setting goals and monitoring those goals.
01:44:47.630 --> 01:44:50.310
So it's really focused on those two areas.
01:44:50.310 --> 01:44:52.350
So is there no percentage of that then
01:44:52.350 --> 01:44:55.210
that deals specifically with team-building?
01:44:55.210 --> 01:44:56.790
Yes.
That was my question.
01:44:56.790 --> 01:44:59.430
What portion of the current training
01:44:59.430 --> 01:45:00.990
to become an authorized provider
01:45:00.990 --> 01:45:03.670
specifically deals with team-building
01:45:03.670 --> 01:45:05.930
as compared to the other two elements
01:45:05.930 --> 01:45:07.110
you just described.
Yes.
01:45:07.110 --> 01:45:09.150
So the training to become an authorized provider
01:45:09.150 --> 01:45:09.983
that has changed.
01:45:09.983 --> 01:45:11.520
In the past it was basically
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:13.300
just understand the accountability system,
01:45:13.300 --> 01:45:16.220
pass the test, you're an authorized provider.
01:45:16.220 --> 01:45:19.900
Now with the content of the 1566 training changing
01:45:19.900 --> 01:45:21.780
as well as adding team-building
01:45:21.780 --> 01:45:23.480
we go through a process through the training
01:45:23.480 --> 01:45:25.170
for the trainers to become familiar
01:45:25.170 --> 01:45:27.370
with the latest research in board development,
01:45:27.370 --> 01:45:28.780
what board members can actually do
01:45:28.780 --> 01:45:30.290
to improve student outcomes.
01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:32.560
The research,
01:45:33.730 --> 01:45:35.620
15, 16 studies that have been done,
01:45:35.620 --> 01:45:38.850
the research comes down to three main areas.
01:45:38.850 --> 01:45:40.690
One is goal setting.
01:45:40.690 --> 01:45:44.340
Two is understanding the values of the community,
01:45:44.340 --> 01:45:46.790
how do we stay within those boundaries of those values.
01:45:46.790 --> 01:45:49.540
And then third is monitoring the process along the way.
01:45:50.390 --> 01:45:52.770
All of that has a precursor though in research.
01:45:52.770 --> 01:45:54.880
And that's working collaboratively together
01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:57.750
as board members with the superintendent.
01:45:57.750 --> 01:46:00.410
And if that is not in place,
01:46:00.410 --> 01:46:03.190
you don't get to the other stuff very easily.
01:46:03.190 --> 01:46:05.190
So the part of the training
01:46:05.190 --> 01:46:07.180
that is expanding into the team-building
01:46:07.180 --> 01:46:09.720
is making sure we understand the research
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:13.050
and how do we use the State board framework
01:46:13.050 --> 01:46:15.140
to develop a customized training
01:46:15.140 --> 01:46:17.210
for that individual board.
01:46:17.210 --> 01:46:18.660
Can you give me a percentage
01:46:18.660 --> 01:46:22.900
of that current training that deals with team-building?
01:46:25.320 --> 01:46:27.590
So how much of, let me make sure I understand you so the--
01:46:27.590 --> 01:46:29.470
Yeah, my question is--
How much of the training
01:46:29.470 --> 01:46:31.070
is the team-building part of
01:46:31.070 --> 01:46:32.500
the training they go through?
Yes.
01:46:32.500 --> 01:46:34.100
Specifically dealing with team-building.
01:46:34.100 --> 01:46:34.933
I understand,
01:46:35.780 --> 01:46:37.290
dealing with outcomes and accountability
01:46:37.290 --> 01:46:38.123
and that type of thing
01:46:38.123 --> 01:46:39.170
you're going to be some
01:46:39.170 --> 01:46:41.360
ramifications of team-building in that.
01:46:41.360 --> 01:46:42.330
But I'm just wondering
01:46:42.330 --> 01:46:44.090
in terms of the material that's covered
01:46:44.090 --> 01:46:46.030
to become an authorized provider,
01:46:46.030 --> 01:46:48.610
what percentage of that deals with team-building.
01:46:48.610 --> 01:46:50.220
Yeah, so, the plan is
01:46:50.220 --> 01:46:52.100
we don't have it completely fully developed yet
01:46:52.100 --> 01:46:55.470
but the plan is for it to be about 50-50%.
01:46:55.470 --> 01:46:56.700
So half of the training
01:46:56.700 --> 01:46:57.970
to become an authorized provider
01:46:57.970 --> 01:47:00.020
is based on the framework, the team-building,
01:47:00.020 --> 01:47:01.260
the components of making sure
01:47:01.260 --> 01:47:03.480
we're within the legalities of
01:47:03.480 --> 01:47:05.000
the team-building training.
01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:07.500
And then the other half of the training covers the
01:47:08.850 --> 01:47:10.640
1566 required training
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:12.590
which is the other one for authorized providers
01:47:12.590 --> 01:47:14.720
on accountability, goal setting,
01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:16.670
and goal monitoring.
How about
01:47:16.670 --> 01:47:19.430
as it currently exists?
As it currently exists
01:47:19.430 --> 01:47:21.630
team-building has not been able to be
01:47:21.630 --> 01:47:23.450
or has not been in rule as provided
01:47:23.450 --> 01:47:24.660
by an authorized provider.
01:47:24.660 --> 01:47:27.840
So 100% of it is on,
The other aspects.
01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:29.440
Accountability and goal setting.
01:47:29.440 --> 01:47:31.130
Perfect, okay, thank you very much.
01:47:31.130 --> 01:47:33.360
Dr. Robinson then Ms. Bahorich.
01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:34.330
Sure.
01:47:34.330 --> 01:47:35.179
Well.
01:47:35.179 --> 01:47:39.270
(Ms. Bahorich speaking indistinctly)
01:47:39.270 --> 01:47:40.240
Microphone please.
01:47:42.150 --> 01:47:43.330
How about turning on your microphone
01:47:43.330 --> 01:47:44.570
and repeating that question?
01:47:44.570 --> 01:47:46.860
I was just saying so,
01:47:46.860 --> 01:47:48.510
this rule would come in effect...
01:47:50.740 --> 01:47:53.540
When?
01:47:53.540 --> 01:47:56.230
It depends on the percentages of your vote.
01:47:56.230 --> 01:47:57.540
So I believe I'm,
01:47:57.540 --> 01:47:59.400
well Von's not there now but--
01:47:59.400 --> 01:48:00.470
Well if it's a two-thirds.
01:48:00.470 --> 01:48:02.390
If it's two-thirds vote--
It's two-thirds it's 20 days
01:48:02.390 --> 01:48:03.880
and then it becomes in effect.
01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:08.390
If not, I believe it is September 1st.
01:48:08.390 --> 01:48:09.223
Am I right on that?
01:48:09.223 --> 01:48:11.510
Okay.
So the exam,
01:48:11.510 --> 01:48:15.520
that we saw a copy of back there,
01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:18.900
would be what would be given starting 20 days from now?
01:48:19.830 --> 01:48:21.490
Yeah, so we're currently
01:48:21.490 --> 01:48:25.250
it would be similar but we're working on a test bank
01:48:25.250 --> 01:48:26.940
with more of the team-building questions in.
01:48:26.940 --> 01:48:29.210
There'll be a random 25 questions of,
01:48:29.210 --> 01:48:32.010
our hope is to have a 100-question bank
01:48:32.010 --> 01:48:36.350
that you randomly get 25 questions on the exam.
01:48:36.350 --> 01:48:40.440
Okay, but you don't have the training set up yet,
01:48:41.460 --> 01:48:42.293
correct?
01:48:43.330 --> 01:48:45.570
We have not offered the training yet,
01:48:45.570 --> 01:48:46.460
that is correct.
01:48:46.460 --> 01:48:50.260
But we are currently putting all of that together.
01:48:50.260 --> 01:48:52.220
A lot of different components are together
01:48:52.220 --> 01:48:53.850
we just have to mesh it together
01:48:53.850 --> 01:48:54.800
and be ready to go.
01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:56.760
The first training on it is
01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.000
actually scheduled next Tuesday
01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:01.210
for our current authorized providers
01:49:01.210 --> 01:49:03.640
to update them on all the new material
01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:06.070
that they'll need to move forward.
01:49:06.070 --> 01:49:07.820
Dr. Robinson.
01:49:07.820 --> 01:49:09.650
And then Mr. Ellis.
I have three questions
01:49:09.650 --> 01:49:12.720
one, the education service centers
01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.310
are they funded by the TEA?
01:49:17.260 --> 01:49:21.240
Service centers are funded very differently.
01:49:21.240 --> 01:49:22.980
Most of their funding, I believe, comes from
01:49:22.980 --> 01:49:24.610
and don't quote me on all this,
01:49:24.610 --> 01:49:26.060
but I believe comes from
01:49:26.060 --> 01:49:28.030
the actual services they provide to districts
01:49:28.030 --> 01:49:29.160
through contracts that they make
01:49:29.160 --> 01:49:30.610
with local school districts.
01:49:30.610 --> 01:49:31.450
Okay.
01:49:31.450 --> 01:49:33.262
And is it correct that
01:49:33.262 --> 01:49:36.220
the board Houston ISD received
01:49:36.220 --> 01:49:37.550
Lone Star Governance training
01:49:37.550 --> 01:49:38.990
in the last year or two,
01:49:38.990 --> 01:49:39.840
or year recently?
01:49:40.940 --> 01:49:43.950
That would be yes.
And South San ISD board
01:49:43.950 --> 01:49:47.070
have they received Lone Star Governance training?
01:49:47.070 --> 01:49:47.970
Yes, sir.
Great.
01:49:47.970 --> 01:49:51.520
So is there evidence that shows that
01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:55.440
Lone Star Governance training improves student outcomes?
01:49:55.440 --> 01:49:57.890
Yes, sir, I would--
'Cause I've not seen that
01:49:57.890 --> 01:50:00.910
y'all did not present that to us.
01:50:00.910 --> 01:50:02.690
You should've had that provided to you.
01:50:02.690 --> 01:50:03.566
But I'll make sure you get it.
01:50:03.566 --> 01:50:06.050
Yes we have some research that was done over,
01:50:06.050 --> 01:50:08.040
from 2018 to 2019.
01:50:08.040 --> 01:50:10.140
Now here's the caveat,
01:50:10.140 --> 01:50:11.890
and I always say it's like going to church camp.
01:50:11.890 --> 01:50:13.120
You go to church camp for a week
01:50:13.120 --> 01:50:13.953
and you come back.
01:50:13.953 --> 01:50:15.490
So you go to the two-day workshop
01:50:15.490 --> 01:50:17.690
you come back and you don't change anything,
01:50:18.830 --> 01:50:20.700
was church camp worth it or not?
01:50:20.700 --> 01:50:21.770
That's the question.
01:50:21.770 --> 01:50:22.880
Well that's my point,
What the data--
01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:24.160
about the boards that are dysfunctional
01:50:24.160 --> 01:50:25.090
that I made earlier
01:50:25.090 --> 01:50:27.190
is that if they're severely dysfunctional
01:50:27.190 --> 01:50:29.100
it doesn't really matter what,
01:50:29.100 --> 01:50:31.280
a lot of times what training they get.
01:50:31.280 --> 01:50:32.690
So.
Well the
01:50:32.690 --> 01:50:35.800
the difference is the continual engagement with a coach.
01:50:36.900 --> 01:50:39.110
If a board chooses to engage with a coach
01:50:39.110 --> 01:50:40.300
for the two-day workshop
01:50:40.300 --> 01:50:41.330
and then doesn't engage
01:50:41.330 --> 01:50:43.380
and continually move forward with that coach
01:50:43.380 --> 01:50:45.120
and have continual coaching,
01:50:45.120 --> 01:50:46.630
it doesn't make a difference.
01:50:46.630 --> 01:50:48.880
But what we have seen in Lone Star Governance was
01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:50.620
when the boards make the commitment
01:50:50.620 --> 01:50:53.480
to continue to engage with a coach ongoing
01:50:53.480 --> 01:50:55.750
with that support and training
01:50:55.750 --> 01:50:59.340
it makes a significant difference above the State average.
01:50:59.340 --> 01:51:00.173
We saw
01:51:01.300 --> 01:51:03.230
about two, a little over two times
01:51:03.230 --> 01:51:04.840
the increase from the districts
01:51:04.840 --> 01:51:07.120
that continue to engage with a coach
01:51:07.120 --> 01:51:09.720
over the State average and accountability gains.
01:51:09.720 --> 01:51:11.780
Okay.
01:51:11.780 --> 01:51:13.100
Dr. Ellis.
Dr. Howard,
01:51:13.100 --> 01:51:15.530
this question is specifically feeding off
01:51:15.530 --> 01:51:17.090
of what Ms. Bahorich asked about on
01:51:17.090 --> 01:51:18.390
the dates of implementation.
01:51:18.390 --> 01:51:22.280
And this is a question that I came up with is
01:51:22.280 --> 01:51:24.060
if this is implemented in 20 days,
01:51:25.290 --> 01:51:27.800
when do school boards have to report if
01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:30.970
their members don't complete the required training
01:51:30.970 --> 01:51:31.803
to the public?
01:51:31.803 --> 01:51:33.330
Is that before then,
01:51:33.330 --> 01:51:35.580
an X amount of days before the next election?
01:51:36.590 --> 01:51:39.070
It's the board meeting prior to their election
01:51:39.070 --> 01:51:41.800
they report the training hours
01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:43.370
of board members in their board minutes.
01:51:43.370 --> 01:51:44.310
So help me think through this,
01:51:44.310 --> 01:51:46.770
I'm trying to make sure that we don't set up
01:51:46.770 --> 01:51:48.040
some school board members
01:51:48.040 --> 01:51:50.328
to be in a precarious situation.
01:51:50.328 --> 01:51:53.860
If we pass a new rule effective 20 days from today,
01:51:53.860 --> 01:51:56.600
it would have to be implemented by,
01:51:57.490 --> 01:51:59.110
what you just said, before election
01:51:59.110 --> 01:52:01.230
which often time is in May.
01:52:01.230 --> 01:52:03.830
Is that something we haven't thought about?
01:52:03.830 --> 01:52:04.880
We actually have,
01:52:05.730 --> 01:52:07.840
actually this morning that was brought to our attention.
01:52:07.840 --> 01:52:08.940
So not til this morning
01:52:08.940 --> 01:52:11.910
but we're trying to get legal counsel on
01:52:13.180 --> 01:52:15.040
would it be appropriate to give guidance
01:52:15.040 --> 01:52:18.420
that this would go in to the first time it is reported
01:52:18.420 --> 01:52:20.320
would be before the November election.
01:52:22.320 --> 01:52:25.070
I mean, I can get the new requirements done in a month.
01:52:25.940 --> 01:52:29.230
So would that, I'm assuming, require
01:52:29.230 --> 01:52:32.020
an amendment to our rule today
01:52:32.020 --> 01:52:33.980
to make sure we don't put those boards
01:52:33.980 --> 01:52:35.840
in that precarious situation?
01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:39.530
I don't have that answer for you Dr. Ellis.
01:52:39.530 --> 01:52:41.090
I think, that's something else we have to?
01:52:41.090 --> 01:52:43.180
All right, and so let me try to clarify that
01:52:43.180 --> 01:52:44.600
so, if
01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:48.210
if we don't make the affirmative finding
01:52:48.210 --> 01:52:51.840
affirmative finding that immediate adoption is required,
01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:55.260
then it goes into effect during the normal course,
01:52:55.260 --> 01:52:56.940
after posting to the Texas Register
01:52:56.940 --> 01:52:58.620
which I'm assuming, September.
01:52:58.620 --> 01:52:59.460
Something like that.
01:52:59.460 --> 01:53:00.760
Is that correct?
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:03.810
Yes, I believe and Monica can correct me
01:53:03.810 --> 01:53:05.780
if it's not a two-thirds vote,
01:53:05.780 --> 01:53:08.350
or if you don't specify that it goes in
01:53:08.350 --> 01:53:10.650
in the 20-day period it would be effective
01:53:10.650 --> 01:53:12.820
as of September 1st.
Okay, so it's effect
01:53:12.820 --> 01:53:14.480
if it's effective September 1st
01:53:14.480 --> 01:53:17.500
then the reporting requirement
01:53:17.500 --> 01:53:20.640
would not be until May of 2021?
01:53:22.060 --> 01:53:23.610
I'm sorry.
Say that again I'm sorry.
01:53:23.610 --> 01:53:25.120
Well so then if we don't,
01:53:26.110 --> 01:53:29.700
if we don't take action, take immediate action
01:53:29.700 --> 01:53:31.650
then it goes into effect September 1 then
01:53:31.650 --> 01:53:33.650
so the reporting requirement would be
01:53:33.650 --> 01:53:34.960
before the following May?
01:53:36.160 --> 01:53:37.020
2021?
01:53:38.040 --> 01:53:40.500
If it's the election?
The reporting requirement is
01:53:40.500 --> 01:53:42.240
the month before your board elections.
01:53:42.240 --> 01:53:43.510
Okay, so it would--
01:53:43.510 --> 01:53:46.020
And then, what I was just informed is
01:53:46.020 --> 01:53:48.080
I believe you can set an effective date
01:53:48.080 --> 01:53:50.980
that you want it to go into.
We can set
01:53:50.980 --> 01:53:53.250
an effective date ourselves?
Yes, sir.
01:53:53.250 --> 01:53:55.980
Okay, if we were wanting to set an effective date
01:53:55.980 --> 01:53:59.940
that would not put school districts in a
01:53:59.940 --> 01:54:02.030
too much of a time crunch,
01:54:02.030 --> 01:54:06.240
when should that be?
01:54:06.240 --> 01:54:08.290
I would say if,
01:54:08.290 --> 01:54:09.820
let me think through that but,
01:54:09.820 --> 01:54:11.380
if elections are in May
01:54:11.380 --> 01:54:14.590
and it's the meeting in the prior month
01:54:14.590 --> 01:54:16.850
then if you made an effective date of May 1st
01:54:16.850 --> 01:54:19.480
then the April board meeting
01:54:19.480 --> 01:54:22.240
when board hours are reported,
01:54:23.250 --> 01:54:25.650
it'd be on the prior rule instead of the current rule.
01:54:25.650 --> 01:54:27.991
And go forward after that?
01:54:27.991 --> 01:54:28.824
Okay.
01:54:28.824 --> 01:54:31.240
That takes another amendment I guess, but.
01:54:31.240 --> 01:54:32.950
Dr. Ellis.
I may call on Ms. Martinez
01:54:32.950 --> 01:54:34.447
who is not an attorney but plays one
01:54:34.447 --> 01:54:35.791
when our attorney is out of the room.
01:54:35.791 --> 01:54:38.540
(members laughing)
01:54:38.540 --> 01:54:40.820
To the question of, if,
01:54:41.750 --> 01:54:43.760
I wanna sort through this fact,
01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:46.060
I had talked about if this doesn't
01:54:46.060 --> 01:54:49.380
if my motion prevails, coming immediately back
01:54:49.380 --> 01:54:51.700
and working on reworking this entire process,
01:54:51.700 --> 01:54:53.890
the framework, 61.1.4,
01:54:56.070 --> 01:54:59.400
the new testing, the new requirements and so forth,
01:54:59.400 --> 01:55:01.170
but that rule cannot be opened up
01:55:01.170 --> 01:55:05.510
until after implementation, or after adoption.
01:55:05.510 --> 01:55:07.270
So would that freeze us for a while
01:55:07.270 --> 01:55:08.780
if that gets put off?
01:55:08.780 --> 01:55:10.660
So it would be,
01:55:10.660 --> 01:55:13.040
it's all tied to the effective date.
01:55:13.040 --> 01:55:15.410
And so any rule that you have,
01:55:15.410 --> 01:55:19.760
so let's say that you adopt this rule 61.1
01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:23.020
and it doesn't become effective until September 1,
01:55:23.020 --> 01:55:25.110
then you can't reopen it
01:55:25.110 --> 01:55:26.570
and make additional amendments
01:55:26.570 --> 01:55:28.860
until after it becomes effective.
01:55:28.860 --> 01:55:31.650
If you have an earlier effective date
01:55:31.650 --> 01:55:33.590
with a different implementation date
01:55:33.590 --> 01:55:35.000
then that's different.
01:55:37.590 --> 01:55:40.320
We could make it effective in 20 days
01:55:40.320 --> 01:55:42.010
but then amend this motion
01:55:42.010 --> 01:55:44.780
to have a different implementation date
01:55:44.780 --> 01:55:46.360
beyond that, right?
01:55:48.550 --> 01:55:49.910
Right, so
Okay.
01:55:50.950 --> 01:55:52.590
I'm gonna use something I'm much more familiar with
01:55:52.590 --> 01:55:55.530
your essential knowledge and skills
01:55:55.530 --> 01:55:57.520
oftentimes you will identify,
01:55:57.520 --> 01:55:58.800
you'll have an effective date
01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:00.180
so the rule becomes effective,
01:56:00.180 --> 01:56:02.950
it's actually on the books, folks can see it,
01:56:02.950 --> 01:56:06.180
but then you'll identify a different implementation date.
01:56:06.180 --> 01:56:07.210
Okay, all right.
01:56:07.210 --> 01:56:09.610
So let's take it one at a time though.
01:56:09.610 --> 01:56:12.810
Bear in mind the motion that's on the table currently
01:56:12.810 --> 01:56:16.180
is an amendment to subsection F
01:56:16.180 --> 01:56:17.860
dealing with the registered provider
01:56:17.860 --> 01:56:19.320
as compared to an authorized provider.
01:56:19.320 --> 01:56:20.410
So let's,
01:56:20.410 --> 01:56:22.790
let's restrict our discussion to that.
01:56:22.790 --> 01:56:25.210
Mr. Maynard, and then we'll deal with the other issue.
01:56:26.590 --> 01:56:29.460
And were we gonna hear from TASB, is that right?
01:56:29.460 --> 01:56:31.610
We will, as soon as we're done with Dr. Howard.
01:56:31.610 --> 01:56:32.600
Okay.
Anything further
01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:33.433
of Dr. Howard?
01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:37.100
Well he can be on standby.
Yeah, that's right.
01:56:37.100 --> 01:56:38.730
Okay, so Dr. Howard if you don't mind
01:56:38.730 --> 01:56:41.460
just stay close, stay loose.
01:56:41.460 --> 01:56:43.330
And Mr. Gore.
01:56:43.330 --> 01:56:44.280
I'm assuming, yeah.
01:56:47.450 --> 01:56:50.670
Mr. Gore is the TASB person that we're wanting to have
01:56:51.890 --> 01:56:53.600
provide insight.
01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:54.820
Correct, Mr. Cortez?
01:56:56.666 --> 01:56:58.530
(Mr. Cortez speaking indistinctly)
01:56:58.530 --> 01:56:59.450
I don't know that either.
01:56:59.450 --> 01:57:01.760
I was absent yesterday.
Chairman, just before
01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:02.940
before that.
01:57:02.940 --> 01:57:07.860
So staff who works on rule-making did advise that
01:57:07.860 --> 01:57:09.920
if you're thinking about a different date
01:57:09.920 --> 01:57:13.030
as opposed to having the immediate effective date
01:57:13.030 --> 01:57:15.500
that it would be cleaner for you to identify
01:57:15.500 --> 01:57:17.650
the effective date that you want.
01:57:18.500 --> 01:57:21.160
The other thing that she reminded me
01:57:21.160 --> 01:57:25.390
is that you could have a discussion in April.
01:57:25.390 --> 01:57:29.170
You just can't proceed with action on first reading
01:57:29.170 --> 01:57:30.620
before an effective date.
01:57:30.620 --> 01:57:32.410
But if you wanted to continue discussion
01:57:32.410 --> 01:57:34.020
at your next meeting
01:57:34.020 --> 01:57:36.870
and you have identified a specific effective date,
01:57:36.870 --> 01:57:38.740
you could still do that,
01:57:38.740 --> 01:57:39.970
a later effective date, I should say.
01:57:39.970 --> 01:57:41.160
Okay, great, okay.
01:57:43.000 --> 01:57:44.040
Yes sir, do you have--
01:57:44.040 --> 01:57:46.210
Dr., could I speak on your
01:57:46.210 --> 01:57:47.472
opening up that framework
01:57:47.472 --> 01:57:50.990
to look at how that.
01:57:50.990 --> 01:57:53.080
Well I'll tell you what, let's do this.
01:57:53.080 --> 01:57:54.770
We're trying to stay,
01:57:54.770 --> 01:57:57.090
I mean, we're not gonna cut you off, of course.
01:57:57.090 --> 01:57:59.310
But, Dr. Gore or Mr. Gore?
01:57:59.310 --> 01:58:01.010
Dr. Gore.
Dr. Gore, okay.
01:58:01.010 --> 01:58:02.680
Phil, how about if you
01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:03.513
you go ahead and share
01:58:03.513 --> 01:58:05.430
and then we'll have Dr. Howard speak again
01:58:05.430 --> 01:58:06.275
if he needs to.
Sure, we can stand
01:58:06.275 --> 01:58:07.580
side-by-side too.
You sure can.
01:58:07.580 --> 01:58:08.580
Y'all can--
We've been sitting together.
01:58:08.580 --> 01:58:09.940
That would be a good picture, in fact,
01:58:09.940 --> 01:58:11.140
the both of you standing up there.
01:58:11.140 --> 01:58:13.620
So, I'm Dr. Phil Gore with TASB.
01:58:13.620 --> 01:58:16.670
I'm the division director--
Your mic.
01:58:16.670 --> 01:58:17.503
Light on?
01:58:21.047 --> 01:58:22.620
I'm Dr. Phil Gore with TASB.
01:58:22.620 --> 01:58:24.304
I'm the division director
01:58:24.304 --> 01:58:26.474
for development services there.
01:58:26.474 --> 01:58:27.384
And,
01:58:27.384 --> 01:58:30.099
thank you for the opportunity to share with you.
01:58:30.099 --> 01:58:32.352
It's hard to know which piece to answer.
01:58:32.352 --> 01:58:36.785
So feel free if you have a specific question of me.
01:58:36.785 --> 01:58:40.133
Obviously, we're going to ask for
01:58:40.133 --> 01:58:45.133
as much local flexibility as you all can stand.
01:58:45.375 --> 01:58:47.470
It's flashing off and on.
Yeah.
01:58:47.470 --> 01:58:50.223
Yeah, there's a mess up there of some kind.
01:58:50.223 --> 01:58:51.711
I put my phone away.
01:58:51.711 --> 01:58:54.980
So, we appreciate the local flexibility
01:58:54.980 --> 01:58:57.110
greatly appreciate the sentiment
01:58:57.110 --> 01:58:59.600
of the particular motion here.
01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:01.090
And both items.
01:59:01.090 --> 01:59:02.000
One is,
01:59:03.940 --> 01:59:06.220
allowing boards some latitude
01:59:06.220 --> 01:59:07.870
until you get to a place where
01:59:07.870 --> 01:59:09.630
the State Board of Education framework
01:59:09.630 --> 01:59:11.990
for school board development is updated.
01:59:13.310 --> 01:59:15.710
We support that notion as well
01:59:15.710 --> 01:59:18.770
and hope to be a part of those conversations.
01:59:18.770 --> 01:59:20.970
With all of the discussion and rule-making
01:59:20.970 --> 01:59:23.290
and we've been with the Committee on School Initiatives
01:59:23.290 --> 01:59:24.940
since September on this one,
01:59:24.940 --> 01:59:26.990
so September, November and then yesterday
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we've asked for respect
01:59:30.300 --> 01:59:31.950
and opportunity for school boards
01:59:31.950 --> 01:59:34.340
as much as can be possibly extended,
01:59:34.340 --> 01:59:36.580
as Dr. Robinson intimated
01:59:36.580 --> 01:59:40.830
certainly there are a small percentage of school boards that
01:59:40.830 --> 01:59:43.070
have problems functioning well together.
01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:45.320
And those need to be addressed
01:59:45.320 --> 01:59:47.540
and they do become addressed by the agency.
01:59:48.380 --> 01:59:51.910
However, the vast majority of school boards across Texas
01:59:51.910 --> 01:59:53.460
are quite functional
01:59:53.460 --> 01:59:56.000
and deserve the opportunity and respect
01:59:56.000 --> 01:59:58.160
to seek out training providers,
01:59:58.160 --> 01:59:59.530
the type of training,
01:59:59.530 --> 02:00:00.750
the opportunity for training
02:00:00.750 --> 02:00:03.210
to meet the individual needs they have.
02:00:04.200 --> 02:00:07.290
And then, very curious in this amendment
02:00:07.290 --> 02:00:10.690
there are at least three online learning opportunities
02:00:10.690 --> 02:00:12.450
for school boards today on
02:00:14.243 --> 02:00:17.950
to have their Senate Bill 1566 training online.
02:00:17.950 --> 02:00:20.140
And so that's been an area of concern
02:00:20.140 --> 02:00:23.670
that in this proposal, that would not be allowed.
02:00:23.670 --> 02:00:25.910
I'm not sure why it wouldn't be allowed.
02:00:25.910 --> 02:00:27.840
And I think we have concerns that maybe
02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:30.640
eight or 10% of the trustees in the State have
02:00:31.600 --> 02:00:36.200
personal issues or financial, family issues
02:00:36.200 --> 02:00:37.210
where they're not ab--
02:00:37.210 --> 02:00:38.043
Excuse me.
02:00:38.920 --> 02:00:41.330
They're not able to travel away from their home
02:00:41.330 --> 02:00:43.920
to take part of training outside their district.
02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:47.560
So we're wondering if some accommodation could be made
02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:49.440
in those circumstances as well
02:00:50.430 --> 02:00:53.060
for people who cannot attend the regional training
02:00:53.060 --> 02:00:54.250
or conference training
02:00:54.250 --> 02:00:57.340
to get their Senate Bill 1566 training,
02:00:57.340 --> 02:00:59.290
if they could still do that online but.
02:01:00.400 --> 02:01:03.450
Okay, so when you're talking about the Senate 1566,
02:01:03.450 --> 02:01:05.800
Senate Bill 1566 training,
02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:07.340
is that include team-building?
02:01:07.340 --> 02:01:08.660
No.
It does not.
02:01:08.660 --> 02:01:11.260
This is separate training required under your rules.
02:01:11.260 --> 02:01:13.250
So team-building is required,
02:01:13.250 --> 02:01:16.290
Senate Bill 1566 training is required.
02:01:16.290 --> 02:01:18.800
The rule as it's currently stated today
02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:22.550
would allow for a board to participate in
02:01:22.550 --> 02:01:26.070
Senate Bill 1566 training in their district
02:01:27.000 --> 02:01:29.510
and count that as team-building training
02:01:29.510 --> 02:01:31.590
if they met also the requirements for
02:01:31.590 --> 02:01:33.220
team-building training.
02:01:33.220 --> 02:01:36.380
So that's where it becomes a little bit confusing.
02:01:36.380 --> 02:01:39.340
It is allowed in some circumstances but
02:01:39.340 --> 02:01:41.900
by statute in particular,
02:01:41.900 --> 02:01:44.250
but then also in your rule
02:01:44.250 --> 02:01:46.510
it is two different trainings that are asked for.
02:01:46.510 --> 02:01:50.570
So what is the effect of a registered provider
02:01:50.570 --> 02:01:52.890
being allowed to do the team-building training
02:01:52.890 --> 02:01:56.420
as compared to an, what is it, authorized?
02:01:56.420 --> 02:01:57.570
What's the other?
Sure.
02:01:57.570 --> 02:01:58.670
Authorized provider.
02:01:58.670 --> 02:02:02.650
It allows for greater flexibility for the school district.
02:02:02.650 --> 02:02:05.140
There is a limited cadre of folks
02:02:05.140 --> 02:02:07.470
who are authorized providers today.
02:02:07.470 --> 02:02:09.880
There was, TEA had a training of trainers
02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:13.400
and so there's a TEA approach to 1566 training
02:02:13.400 --> 02:02:14.530
that's authorized.
02:02:14.530 --> 02:02:18.990
And the Commissioner also extended TASB's approach to,
02:02:18.990 --> 02:02:23.620
there's process and rule for other people to have approved
02:02:23.620 --> 02:02:25.960
a course of study for 1566.
02:02:25.960 --> 02:02:30.190
So there essentially are only two different versions
02:02:30.190 --> 02:02:33.420
of Senate Bill 1566 training
02:02:33.420 --> 02:02:35.780
that are available to school districts today.
02:02:35.780 --> 02:02:37.950
And that is what it is.
02:02:37.950 --> 02:02:40.670
That's TASB and Lone Star, I guess?
02:02:40.670 --> 02:02:44.040
Well the training that the agency created
02:02:44.040 --> 02:02:47.560
for Senate Bill 1566, yeah.
Okay, perfect.
02:02:47.560 --> 02:02:49.070
Questions of Dr. Gore?
02:02:51.460 --> 02:02:52.293
Anyone?
02:02:52.293 --> 02:02:53.126
Mr. Cortez.
02:02:56.780 --> 02:02:59.110
How many districts do you think,
02:02:59.110 --> 02:03:00.940
or what percentage of districts would be impacted
02:03:00.940 --> 02:03:02.820
by this inability to do this online,
02:03:03.890 --> 02:03:06.190
online training that you were talking about?
02:03:06.190 --> 02:03:07.740
There seems to be, I would imagine
02:03:07.740 --> 02:03:09.070
that's gonna be a bigger problem
02:03:09.070 --> 02:03:11.160
particularly in rural Texas?
02:03:12.610 --> 02:03:13.870
I think that would be our concern
02:03:13.870 --> 02:03:14.860
that there are areas
02:03:14.860 --> 02:03:17.710
where it's more difficult to travel from and
02:03:17.710 --> 02:03:20.200
people's life situation if they're a rancher,
02:03:20.200 --> 02:03:22.260
a farmer, own a small business,
02:03:22.260 --> 02:03:23.690
hard to get away from.
02:03:23.690 --> 02:03:25.560
We know this Mr. Cortez
02:03:25.560 --> 02:03:28.070
that 7% of the trustees in the State
02:03:28.070 --> 02:03:31.590
have participated in our online version of the training.
02:03:31.590 --> 02:03:34.450
We don't know what percentage of trustees
02:03:34.450 --> 02:03:36.960
have also participated in the other two
02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:38.280
that we know that are available.
02:03:38.280 --> 02:03:39.560
One's through an ESC
02:03:39.560 --> 02:03:41.510
and one's through another organization.
02:03:42.630 --> 02:03:45.820
So at least 7% have participated in that
02:03:45.820 --> 02:03:47.460
in the last couple of years, online.
02:03:48.660 --> 02:03:50.950
And under this, they would just do away with
02:03:50.950 --> 02:03:52.240
the online opportunity?
02:03:52.240 --> 02:03:53.970
Yeah, the way this rule is proposed
02:03:53.970 --> 02:03:56.590
they would not have that opportunity at all
02:03:56.590 --> 02:03:58.460
under any circumstances.
02:03:58.460 --> 02:04:00.660
Do you think that limits their,
02:04:01.570 --> 02:04:03.410
their ability to be flexible
02:04:03.410 --> 02:04:05.660
and make their own decision at the local level?
02:04:05.660 --> 02:04:06.890
It does limit that--
Which is kinda what we want
02:04:06.890 --> 02:04:08.270
we want local boards to be able to--
02:04:08.270 --> 02:04:11.440
But it also creates a situation for those who
02:04:11.440 --> 02:04:13.950
they simply won't be able to meet the requirement.
02:04:17.220 --> 02:04:19.420
And that's unfortunate.
02:04:19.420 --> 02:04:21.280
They're learning through that
02:04:21.280 --> 02:04:23.050
is also a loss, right.
02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:25.560
It's not simply meeting the requirement
02:04:25.560 --> 02:04:28.570
but what they actually learn.
02:04:28.570 --> 02:04:29.960
And I'm very intrigued that,
02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:31.830
you know online learning is not what it was
02:04:31.830 --> 02:04:33.530
when I was a grad school TEA
02:04:33.530 --> 02:04:34.780
and using blackboard
02:04:34.780 --> 02:04:38.050
and things that were kind of archaic and clumsy.
02:04:38.050 --> 02:04:39.300
Actually we know for a fact
02:04:39.300 --> 02:04:41.590
that many adults as well as children
02:04:41.590 --> 02:04:43.570
learn and retain more information
02:04:43.570 --> 02:04:44.590
when they learn online
02:04:44.590 --> 02:04:46.640
than when they do in a big group setting.
02:04:49.090 --> 02:04:50.880
Okay, thank you.
02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:52.760
Mr. Robinson, just as an FYI
02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:53.940
Region One, as an example,
02:04:53.940 --> 02:04:56.740
has about $65 million annual budget.
02:04:58.380 --> 02:05:01.510
A little bit less than 1% is direct state funds.
02:05:02.400 --> 02:05:03.550
Just,
02:05:03.550 --> 02:05:05.370
that's just Region One, I don't know about the others.
02:05:05.370 --> 02:05:07.270
But I assume it's the same or worse.
02:05:08.190 --> 02:05:10.020
Okay, Mr. Maynard.
02:05:10.020 --> 02:05:11.150
Yeah, and I just,
02:05:13.080 --> 02:05:15.880
I think that we're in some ways, and I'm
02:05:15.880 --> 02:05:18.180
have not been part of this discussion.
02:05:18.180 --> 02:05:19.660
And not been, again,
02:05:19.660 --> 02:05:22.340
like a lot of the members sitting around this circle,
02:05:22.340 --> 02:05:25.070
have not been privy to these ongoing discussions
02:05:25.070 --> 02:05:25.903
over
02:05:26.982 --> 02:05:28.590
the Committee on School Initiatives.
02:05:28.590 --> 02:05:30.220
And I'm just listening to you
02:05:30.220 --> 02:05:32.270
and I think we're kinda talking past each other
02:05:32.270 --> 02:05:34.520
a little bit.
Yep.
02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:36.560
I'm just gonna ask a direct question
02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:39.390
into the two of you:
02:05:39.390 --> 02:05:40.730
where,
02:05:40.730 --> 02:05:41.563
where,
02:05:42.630 --> 02:05:45.550
Dr. Gore do you differ
02:05:45.550 --> 02:05:47.280
with the staff recommendation.
02:05:47.280 --> 02:05:48.590
What exactly,
02:05:48.590 --> 02:05:50.710
what is the rub in this thing?
02:05:50.710 --> 02:05:52.500
What is the contention here?
02:05:53.590 --> 02:05:56.230
So there were those two separate areas.
02:05:56.230 --> 02:05:57.660
One is the one that,
02:05:59.540 --> 02:06:01.970
Chairman Ellis has made an amendment on,
02:06:01.970 --> 02:06:04.460
this changing the registered provider
02:06:04.460 --> 02:06:06.960
for team-building training to authorized provider.
02:06:07.900 --> 02:06:11.460
That's one issue where we've not found resolution
02:06:11.460 --> 02:06:13.050
prior to this meeting.
02:06:13.050 --> 02:06:14.140
And then other was
02:06:14.140 --> 02:06:17.370
the opportunity for locally-elected school trustees
02:06:17.370 --> 02:06:22.087
to have their Senate Bill 1566 training online.
02:06:22.087 --> 02:06:23.963
Two totally separate issues.
Okay.
02:06:23.963 --> 02:06:25.120
And just, just,
02:06:25.120 --> 02:06:26.130
I'm sorry to interrupt Mr. Maynard.
02:06:26.130 --> 02:06:28.010
But just to clarify,
02:06:28.010 --> 02:06:28.843
so,
02:06:29.890 --> 02:06:32.380
I think it's fine that we ask the testifiers
02:06:32.380 --> 02:06:34.440
questions about both of those areas right now
02:06:34.440 --> 02:06:36.280
'cause we've got them here.
02:06:36.280 --> 02:06:38.490
But what we'd need to do, I think,
02:06:38.490 --> 02:06:39.900
parliamentary procedure wise
02:06:39.900 --> 02:06:43.580
is deal with Dr. Ellis's proposed amendment.
02:06:43.580 --> 02:06:47.280
Then if there's an issue about the other aspect
02:06:47.280 --> 02:06:48.820
which has to do with online training,
02:06:48.820 --> 02:06:51.470
that would be the subject of a separate motion,
02:06:51.470 --> 02:06:52.940
I think, is that right?
Yes.
02:06:52.940 --> 02:06:54.130
Ms. Crews?
Yeah.
02:06:54.130 --> 02:06:54.963
Okay.
Mr. Chairman.
02:06:54.963 --> 02:06:56.720
But for now we've opened it up
02:06:56.720 --> 02:06:57.990
because we've got the testifiers here.
02:06:57.990 --> 02:06:59.930
Right but we need to stay germane
02:06:59.930 --> 02:07:01.170
Madam Parliamentarian.
Yes we do.
02:07:01.170 --> 02:07:02.150
All right.
Well, but,
02:07:02.150 --> 02:07:03.230
but with the testifiers
02:07:03.230 --> 02:07:05.974
we're allowing questions on both aspects.
02:07:05.974 --> 02:07:07.550
And I,
02:07:07.550 --> 02:07:10.220
and kinda what I'm picking up on this is that
02:07:10.220 --> 02:07:11.910
is is there really,
02:07:11.910 --> 02:07:13.800
is this the long-term,
02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:16.760
is is that you may not have a problem with
02:07:16.760 --> 02:07:18.540
requiring authorized trainers.
02:07:18.540 --> 02:07:21.060
But right now, where we are today with that
02:07:21.060 --> 02:07:22.400
is is that number one,
02:07:22.400 --> 02:07:25.150
and if I'm hearing this right is is that because,
02:07:26.080 --> 02:07:27.510
well what I'm hearing is is that
02:07:27.510 --> 02:07:29.600
as far as the training content,
02:07:31.280 --> 02:07:32.630
for team-building,
02:07:32.630 --> 02:07:33.480
it doesn't exist.
02:07:34.580 --> 02:07:37.350
What I'm hearing, I have in my notes is that well that
02:07:37.350 --> 02:07:39.810
yeah, it doesn't even exist.
02:07:39.810 --> 02:07:41.420
And so we're talking about something
02:07:41.420 --> 02:07:44.130
and we're talking about implementing something
02:07:44.130 --> 02:07:46.170
for training that doesn't exist.
02:07:46.170 --> 02:07:47.660
And, and, and then,
02:07:48.710 --> 02:07:49.670
as the rule's written
02:07:49.670 --> 02:07:52.350
and particularly if we don't put an effective date on that
02:07:52.350 --> 02:07:55.880
is is that we're requiring something that doesn't exist.
02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:56.713
Essentially.
02:07:56.713 --> 02:07:58.220
Is that,
02:07:58.220 --> 02:07:59.730
am I understanding that correctly?
02:07:59.730 --> 02:08:02.170
Can Drew address that?
That's the question
02:08:02.170 --> 02:08:05.020
that I was trying to ask of Dr. Howard
02:08:05.020 --> 02:08:08.370
as to what portion of the authorized training
02:08:08.370 --> 02:08:10.000
is devoted to team-building.
02:08:11.000 --> 02:08:13.550
And what I heard at this point was none right now
02:08:13.550 --> 02:08:15.900
but if you wanna clarify that.
And if I can just
02:08:15.900 --> 02:08:18.580
follow up on that and just as a question to that
02:08:18.580 --> 02:08:20.310
is is that, so you can address that too,
02:08:20.310 --> 02:08:23.620
and of course, the other issue too is is that well that,
02:08:23.620 --> 02:08:25.530
that we can,
02:08:25.530 --> 02:08:29.810
that there's also the prospect of,
02:08:29.810 --> 02:08:32.320
we've got plenty of registered providers
02:08:33.310 --> 02:08:37.390
but the system is gonna have to catch up over time
02:08:37.390 --> 02:08:41.090
to have enough authorized providers,
02:08:41.090 --> 02:08:43.380
how many school boards do we have in the State?
02:08:44.976 --> 02:08:47.330
A total of 1,204, I think.
1,204,
02:08:47.330 --> 02:08:48.370
and say okay.
02:08:48.370 --> 02:08:51.630
So, it's gonna take a little bit of time
02:08:51.630 --> 02:08:53.680
for the marketplace to respond to that
02:08:54.530 --> 02:08:55.830
otherwise is that it
02:08:55.830 --> 02:08:58.280
it may not even be possible
02:08:58.280 --> 02:09:01.010
we may not even have enough people to even do that.
02:09:01.010 --> 02:09:02.840
Okay.
Well, I'll address both.
02:09:02.840 --> 02:09:05.630
One, there is a curriculum for the team-building training.
02:09:05.630 --> 02:09:07.930
It's called Your State Board of Education
02:09:07.930 --> 02:09:09.890
Board Development Framework.
02:09:09.890 --> 02:09:14.580
So there are trainers that have already done training.
02:09:14.580 --> 02:09:17.020
Training has been delivered on that framework
02:09:18.110 --> 02:09:19.890
since 1996, I believe.
02:09:21.470 --> 02:09:25.730
So, the content of what is in that training is there.
02:09:25.730 --> 02:09:28.470
It's been delivered in multiple different ways.
02:09:28.470 --> 02:09:30.300
What I was trying to say earlier
02:09:30.300 --> 02:09:32.870
is the one training is not complete
02:09:32.870 --> 02:09:34.600
of what we're gonna give.
02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:37.100
All the components of the training are there.
02:09:37.100 --> 02:09:37.933
It'll take
02:09:38.970 --> 02:09:41.670
a few hours to just sit down and put it together
02:09:41.670 --> 02:09:43.820
and then be ready to go 'cause
02:09:43.820 --> 02:09:45.770
honestly, I'll be the one delivering that training.
02:09:45.770 --> 02:09:49.030
So it's just put it together and be ready to go.
02:09:49.030 --> 02:09:53.020
On the numbers of authorized versus registered providers,
02:09:53.020 --> 02:09:54.160
we have about
02:09:54.160 --> 02:09:58.680
450-ish registered providers
02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:00.210
across the State of Texas.
02:10:00.210 --> 02:10:01.260
And I,
02:10:02.228 --> 02:10:05.510
I just wanna be clear and make sure you understand that
02:10:05.510 --> 02:10:08.250
when you go to become a registered provider
02:10:08.250 --> 02:10:09.970
you go online, fill out the form
02:10:09.970 --> 02:10:11.880
and you're a registered provider.
02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:15.470
There is 130 authorized providers
02:10:15.470 --> 02:10:18.460
that have gone through this process.
02:10:18.460 --> 02:10:20.450
In the team-building credit
02:10:20.450 --> 02:10:23.190
about 75% of all school boards around the State
02:10:23.190 --> 02:10:24.890
receive that credit from
02:10:24.890 --> 02:10:26.710
the Educational Service Centers.
02:10:26.710 --> 02:10:28.330
I believe, and Phil could speak to this a little more,
02:10:28.330 --> 02:10:30.510
but I believe about 10% or so
02:10:30.510 --> 02:10:32.350
get it delivered from TASB.
02:10:32.350 --> 02:10:33.270
Close to that?
02:10:33.270 --> 02:10:34.610
And then,
02:10:34.610 --> 02:10:37.410
so about 85% of all school boards
02:10:37.410 --> 02:10:40.010
already get it from your service centers and TASB
02:10:40.010 --> 02:10:43.880
who have capacity of authorized providers
02:10:43.880 --> 02:10:47.240
that will be able to get the updates quickly
02:10:47.240 --> 02:10:49.370
and already have the knowledge and skills.
02:10:49.370 --> 02:10:52.930
They could sit down and pass the exam right now,
02:10:52.930 --> 02:10:55.940
because we have competent authorized providers.
02:10:55.940 --> 02:10:58.360
So the capacity issue is honestly one
02:10:58.360 --> 02:11:01.010
that I'm not concerned about
02:11:01.010 --> 02:11:02.590
because we'll be able to deliver
02:11:02.590 --> 02:11:03.890
that team-building credit.
02:11:07.330 --> 02:11:09.130
But it will help ensure
02:11:09.130 --> 02:11:11.340
and raise the level and raise the bar
02:11:11.340 --> 02:11:12.530
of the school boards
02:11:12.530 --> 02:11:15.080
who are not getting that team-building credit
02:11:15.080 --> 02:11:16.370
through an authorized provider
02:11:16.370 --> 02:11:19.330
that we will have a competent trainer there
02:11:19.330 --> 02:11:22.130
that has at least proven that they understand the content
02:11:22.130 --> 02:11:23.260
to pass that exam
02:11:23.260 --> 02:11:26.060
so that the right information is delivered
02:11:26.060 --> 02:11:27.960
to all of our boards across the State.
02:11:28.810 --> 02:11:31.030
Another--
Just as a follow-up
02:11:31.030 --> 02:11:33.840
is is that what I heard you say is is that
02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:35.900
the plan was to have it about 50-50
02:11:35.900 --> 02:11:37.680
but it didn't exist today.
02:11:37.680 --> 02:11:38.870
Is that what I?
02:11:38.870 --> 02:11:42.120
The plan is to have the material covered
02:11:42.120 --> 02:11:46.210
in the authorized provider training be on one side,
02:11:46.210 --> 02:11:48.840
the accountability system, the goal setting,
02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:51.060
the House Bill 3 current requirements
02:11:51.060 --> 02:11:53.000
that boards have to go through
02:11:53.000 --> 02:11:56.640
and the other half be on the team-building process.
02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:58.090
Current research,
02:11:58.090 --> 02:12:00.610
understanding how the unity, the advocacy,
02:12:00.610 --> 02:12:04.470
the structuring pieces that boards have to work on as well.
02:12:04.470 --> 02:12:06.960
There's a lot of overlap between the two.
02:12:08.350 --> 02:12:10.750
Because setting goals and monitoring those goals
02:12:10.750 --> 02:12:12.940
and how you structure your board meetings to do that
02:12:12.940 --> 02:12:15.740
and how you advocate and communicate in the community
02:12:15.740 --> 02:12:18.820
and how you come together with unity amongst board members
02:12:18.820 --> 02:12:22.940
all contribute to both sides of that training.
02:12:26.980 --> 02:12:28.670
Yeah, and again I'm just,
02:12:30.100 --> 02:12:31.680
my question is is that
02:12:32.688 --> 02:12:33.521
by the way,
02:12:34.500 --> 02:12:36.050
Dr. Gore I'm a
02:12:36.050 --> 02:12:37.260
past TASB member,
02:12:37.260 --> 02:12:39.060
a past school board trustee myself.
02:12:39.060 --> 02:12:40.830
And so I'm just kinda curious,
02:12:40.830 --> 02:12:43.150
kinda where then
02:12:43.150 --> 02:12:44.540
as you listen to that,
02:12:44.540 --> 02:12:45.373
what is the rub?
02:12:48.230 --> 02:12:50.990
The rub is the loss of local flexibility.
02:12:50.990 --> 02:12:53.620
And the rub is also, frankly,
02:12:53.620 --> 02:12:55.610
the two-year-old process of
02:12:55.610 --> 02:12:58.100
when the agency developed a process for
02:12:58.100 --> 02:12:59.700
becoming an authorized provider.
02:13:00.890 --> 02:13:01.840
There are numerous things
02:13:01.840 --> 02:13:03.420
I'd prefer not to get into today
02:13:03.420 --> 02:13:04.600
that we found
02:13:06.170 --> 02:13:07.270
extremely problematic.
02:13:09.537 --> 02:13:11.950
Okay.
02:13:11.950 --> 02:13:13.410
Okay, I have a question
02:13:13.410 --> 02:13:14.850
and then I'll call on Ms. Bahorich.
02:13:14.850 --> 02:13:17.210
And it has to do with the language of the amendment.
02:13:17.210 --> 02:13:19.130
So, the amendment says,
02:13:19.130 --> 02:13:22.460
shall be provided by an ESC or a registered provider
02:13:22.460 --> 02:13:25.810
but I heard Dr. Howard speak on the fact that
02:13:25.810 --> 02:13:29.980
ESCs are currently providing the training
02:13:29.980 --> 02:13:31.850
as an authorized trainer?
02:13:33.530 --> 02:13:34.363
Correct.
02:13:34.363 --> 02:13:38.090
All of our service centers have authorized board trainers
02:13:38.090 --> 02:13:40.270
as employees of their service centers
02:13:40.270 --> 02:13:43.530
that deliver the 1566 training.
02:13:43.530 --> 02:13:44.363
Okay.
02:13:44.363 --> 02:13:45.490
And so they would then qualify
02:13:45.490 --> 02:13:47.670
to provide the team-building training
02:13:47.670 --> 02:13:49.070
even without this amendment?
02:13:50.580 --> 02:13:51.620
Correct.
02:13:51.620 --> 02:13:52.453
They all are,
02:13:52.453 --> 02:13:54.010
all of the trainers are registered.
02:13:55.450 --> 02:13:57.200
You have to be a registered provider
02:13:57.200 --> 02:13:59.050
to provide any board training for credit.
02:13:59.050 --> 02:14:00.440
Okay, and I guess to Dr. Ellis then
02:14:00.440 --> 02:14:01.400
as the maker of the motion,
02:14:01.400 --> 02:14:03.360
so that by an ESC,
02:14:04.310 --> 02:14:07.570
is that particularly significant in your motion?
02:14:07.570 --> 02:14:09.720
Or is it just the registered provider part?
02:14:12.200 --> 02:14:14.640
This would take it back to how it is currently.
02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:15.780
And currently it is,
02:14:15.780 --> 02:14:17.420
this is exactly how it is currently.
02:14:17.420 --> 02:14:19.410
But there's some overlap between ESCs
02:14:19.410 --> 02:14:21.640
and authorized providers, apparently.
02:14:21.640 --> 02:14:25.680
There are some ESC providers who are authorized.
02:14:25.680 --> 02:14:26.590
Authorized, I got you.
02:14:26.590 --> 02:14:29.600
Okay, but this would broaden it to any ESC?
02:14:30.910 --> 02:14:32.410
As it is now.
As it is now.
02:14:32.410 --> 02:14:33.930
Okay, great.
Yes.
02:14:33.930 --> 02:14:35.730
Ms. Bahorich and then Ms. Cargill.
02:14:38.100 --> 02:14:41.960
So, I guess, for me, I would like to
02:14:41.960 --> 02:14:44.310
I believe in the concept.
02:14:44.310 --> 02:14:46.740
And I don't see how that it removes flexibility
02:14:46.740 --> 02:14:48.800
for folks, personally,
02:14:48.800 --> 02:14:51.620
to be able to get on our list.
02:14:51.620 --> 02:14:53.450
Now this is our list we're developing here.
02:14:53.450 --> 02:14:56.030
This is the registered folks
02:14:56.030 --> 02:14:57.810
that we wanna change to authorized folks,
02:14:57.810 --> 02:14:59.040
that it's our list
02:14:59.040 --> 02:15:01.980
that we're saying to all of the school districts in Texas,
02:15:01.980 --> 02:15:03.700
these people are qualified,
02:15:04.810 --> 02:15:08.630
and these people should be chosen among
02:15:09.490 --> 02:15:11.370
in order to provide your training
02:15:11.370 --> 02:15:12.930
for your school board trustees.
02:15:12.930 --> 02:15:16.290
And so, I have been uncomfortable
02:15:16.290 --> 02:15:17.690
since I've been on the board
02:15:18.740 --> 02:15:20.120
when I first came on and realized
02:15:20.120 --> 02:15:22.670
that we literally had no standards
02:15:22.670 --> 02:15:25.730
for a person getting on the list to say,
02:15:25.730 --> 02:15:27.630
on our list that says,
02:15:27.630 --> 02:15:30.570
these people can give you quality training.
02:15:30.570 --> 02:15:32.140
I mean, to me that's what our list says
02:15:32.140 --> 02:15:36.390
just like when we put out a textbook list and we say,
02:15:36.390 --> 02:15:37.620
these textbooks,
02:15:38.650 --> 02:15:41.730
we can certify are good textbooks for you to choose among
02:15:41.730 --> 02:15:43.570
because we've authorized these.
02:15:43.570 --> 02:15:45.810
To me, this is the same kind of thing here.
02:15:45.810 --> 02:15:48.120
I'm uncomfortable with having no standards
02:15:48.120 --> 02:15:49.570
other than to say,
02:15:49.570 --> 02:15:50.970
here are my qualifications.
02:15:50.970 --> 02:15:54.632
But there's nothing in that rule
02:15:54.632 --> 02:15:57.150
that disqualifies them.
02:15:57.150 --> 02:15:58.690
It says, give us your qualifications
02:15:58.690 --> 02:16:00.440
but there's nothing that disqualifies them
02:16:00.440 --> 02:16:03.210
if they don't meet some kind of standard of qualification.
02:16:03.210 --> 02:16:05.940
So in essence, we have no qualifications,
02:16:07.410 --> 02:16:09.980
have no standards for a person just getting,
02:16:10.830 --> 02:16:12.960
filling out the form and being on the list.
02:16:12.960 --> 02:16:15.950
And I personally am much more comfortable
02:16:15.950 --> 02:16:18.160
with having some kind of a bar
02:16:18.160 --> 02:16:20.750
that says to school districts,
02:16:20.750 --> 02:16:22.910
these are folks you can comfortably invite
02:16:22.910 --> 02:16:23.780
to do your training.
02:16:23.780 --> 02:16:25.150
Choose who you want.
02:16:25.150 --> 02:16:28.150
But these are folks that we're comfortable
02:16:28.150 --> 02:16:31.340
providing you from our authorized list.
02:16:31.340 --> 02:16:34.100
My question really is down to timing right now.
02:16:34.100 --> 02:16:37.660
I feel like the chair has made a great suggestion.
02:16:38.900 --> 02:16:40.010
And,
02:16:40.010 --> 02:16:42.430
our chair of the Committee on School Initiatives as well
02:16:42.430 --> 02:16:46.080
are in agreement that we should modify the framework,
02:16:47.270 --> 02:16:48.760
the school board framework.
02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:53.160
So the timing of it is more of a concern to me
02:16:53.160 --> 02:16:54.670
than it is the concept.
02:16:54.670 --> 02:16:56.210
'Cause I agree with the concept.
02:16:56.210 --> 02:16:58.190
I really, I don't like the fact
02:16:58.190 --> 02:17:00.430
that we don't have anything in place right now.
02:17:00.430 --> 02:17:01.660
So it's the timing.
02:17:01.660 --> 02:17:06.660
So, for me, I would like to suggest that we get to
02:17:07.170 --> 02:17:09.430
as soon as authorization as possible
02:17:09.430 --> 02:17:12.030
see how we're doing on the framework.
02:17:12.030 --> 02:17:15.710
I mean, approve or leave it effective...
02:17:19.440 --> 02:17:21.150
The soonest we can bring it back up
02:17:21.150 --> 02:17:23.080
because I'm hoping we're gonna have the framework
02:17:23.080 --> 02:17:25.270
a long enough to see, okay,
02:17:25.270 --> 02:17:26.400
now let's bring this back up
02:17:26.400 --> 02:17:28.320
'cause we've adjusted our framework
02:17:28.320 --> 02:17:31.160
so that when we stand up this training
02:17:31.160 --> 02:17:33.900
the new framework that we're going to approve
02:17:33.900 --> 02:17:36.890
and everything is in timing, the right timing.
02:17:36.890 --> 02:17:38.310
That's the big concern for me.
02:17:38.310 --> 02:17:41.980
And so just for the purposes of our discussion now
02:17:41.980 --> 02:17:44.340
let's restrict it to the amendment
02:17:45.500 --> 02:17:48.630
unless it's a question directed to the providers.
02:17:48.630 --> 02:17:49.463
Do we have any more--
02:17:49.463 --> 02:17:50.296
Or the testifiers.
02:17:50.296 --> 02:17:52.460
Do we have any more questions of the testifiers?
02:17:53.520 --> 02:17:55.140
May they be excused?
02:17:55.140 --> 02:17:57.690
Okay, thank you all.
Yeah.
02:17:57.690 --> 02:17:59.170
Oh you do have.
02:17:59.170 --> 02:18:00.040
Oh, okay.
02:18:00.040 --> 02:18:01.400
So then we go Ms. Cargill.
02:18:01.400 --> 02:18:04.380
And bearing in mind we'll talk about the effective date
02:18:04.380 --> 02:18:05.670
here, in a moment.
02:18:05.670 --> 02:18:08.120
But let's deal with the amendment at this point
02:18:08.120 --> 02:18:08.953
that's on the table.
02:18:08.953 --> 02:18:10.858
Well it kinda ties
02:18:10.858 --> 02:18:11.691
together a little bit.
That's okay,
02:18:11.691 --> 02:18:13.602
If you can't separate them, that's all right.
02:18:13.602 --> 02:18:15.120
So I,
02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:17.800
you took a lot of the words out of my mouth, no surprise
02:18:17.800 --> 02:18:20.430
because my concern is also with the timing.
02:18:20.430 --> 02:18:23.860
But, to limit it to the authorized, when,
02:18:25.060 --> 02:18:29.280
I know when Dr. Gore was asked, what's the rub,
02:18:29.280 --> 02:18:33.160
he seems to keep going back to flexibility.
02:18:33.160 --> 02:18:34.800
And so, and I understand that
02:18:34.800 --> 02:18:37.050
because flexibility is important.
02:18:38.080 --> 02:18:41.100
But, every time that I have asked staff
02:18:41.100 --> 02:18:43.650
including yesterday and then listening again today,
02:18:44.560 --> 02:18:46.750
what is the main objective of
02:18:46.750 --> 02:18:49.850
having an authorized provider versus a registered,
02:18:49.850 --> 02:18:52.880
it's all about setting a higher threshold
02:18:52.880 --> 02:18:54.580
for student outcomes.
02:18:54.580 --> 02:18:56.220
And that's what I wanna see.
02:18:56.220 --> 02:18:59.090
And so I think a lot of us are on the same page.
02:18:59.090 --> 02:19:02.860
We want our providers who are on our list
02:19:02.860 --> 02:19:04.330
as my colleague pointed out,
02:19:05.680 --> 02:19:08.390
at least I do, I want them
02:19:08.390 --> 02:19:10.620
to be in a position as trainers
02:19:10.620 --> 02:19:13.790
to train school board members so that
02:19:13.790 --> 02:19:15.710
school board members can best serve our students.
02:19:15.710 --> 02:19:18.230
So I am definitely in favor of
02:19:18.230 --> 02:19:19.590
having authorized providers.
02:19:19.590 --> 02:19:22.400
But I think we're gonna have to hash out the timing.
02:19:22.400 --> 02:19:24.600
And we might end up in the same place anyway
02:19:25.980 --> 02:19:27.740
as what the amendment is trying to do
02:19:27.740 --> 02:19:30.300
is to keep the status quo for now
02:19:30.300 --> 02:19:31.780
while we work on a framework
02:19:31.780 --> 02:19:35.020
and then we figure out how to grandfather in
02:19:35.020 --> 02:19:36.650
more authorized providers, etc.
02:19:36.650 --> 02:19:38.990
So it kinda all meshes together.
02:19:39.960 --> 02:19:41.210
Dr.--
And so that's confusing.
02:19:41.210 --> 02:19:42.990
So somebody needs to figure that out.
02:19:42.990 --> 02:19:44.840
Okay, Dr. Ellis and then Mr. Allen.
02:19:46.394 --> 02:19:48.130
And I don't know if Drew can come back up
02:19:48.130 --> 02:19:51.400
I actually do have a quick question on that.
02:19:51.400 --> 02:19:52.400
That brings up a good point
02:19:52.400 --> 02:19:53.870
that Ms. Bahorich brought up,
02:19:53.870 --> 02:19:57.130
is the registered provider list our list
02:19:57.130 --> 02:19:59.410
or is that a list of the agencies
02:19:59.410 --> 02:20:02.040
that they also use for other things?
02:20:02.980 --> 02:20:04.810
Well there's a lot of lists called
02:20:04.810 --> 02:20:06.510
authorized or registered providers
02:20:06.510 --> 02:20:08.220
but the list for board training
02:20:08.220 --> 02:20:09.820
is just that registered,
02:20:09.820 --> 02:20:10.980
an authorized provider list
02:20:10.980 --> 02:20:13.190
is just specific for board training.
02:20:13.190 --> 02:20:15.110
So is it technically our list or the agency's
02:20:15.110 --> 02:20:16.620
or is that semantics?
02:20:16.620 --> 02:20:18.280
We maintain the list
02:20:18.280 --> 02:20:20.480
and go through the process, do the training
02:20:20.480 --> 02:20:21.820
make sure that they are vetted
02:20:21.820 --> 02:20:23.650
to get on the authorized provider list
02:20:23.650 --> 02:20:24.820
but it's--
It's a list
02:20:24.820 --> 02:20:26.970
for our trainers essentially.
It's a list from your rule.
02:20:26.970 --> 02:20:28.270
Yes.
Okay.
02:20:28.270 --> 02:20:29.820
And I also wanna, and
02:20:29.820 --> 02:20:31.000
I'll kinda throw this out
02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:32.690
and if you have some thoughts on this also,
02:20:32.690 --> 02:20:35.900
to what I think Ms. Cargill was also saying
02:20:35.900 --> 02:20:38.530
of the timing and really Ms. Bahorich of the timing of this.
02:20:38.530 --> 02:20:42.030
Do you see any concerns of what I am proposing,
02:20:42.030 --> 02:20:44.710
which is to leave as is for now,
02:20:45.700 --> 02:20:48.410
rework the framework, rework the rules,
02:20:48.410 --> 02:20:50.740
come up with new training and then a test
02:20:50.740 --> 02:20:54.220
to make an authorized provider for team-building
02:20:54.220 --> 02:20:57.870
as opposed to if we leave the rule as you're proposing
02:20:58.950 --> 02:21:01.510
which would make it be authorized.
02:21:01.510 --> 02:21:03.830
There would be some ramping up
02:21:03.830 --> 02:21:05.910
to take care of that process.
02:21:05.910 --> 02:21:07.400
And then with our intention to come back
02:21:07.400 --> 02:21:09.010
to what I just described there
02:21:09.010 --> 02:21:10.810
is that more cumbersome to change it
02:21:10.810 --> 02:21:12.280
to how you're proposing it
02:21:12.280 --> 02:21:14.500
and then back around to how I'm proposing it
02:21:14.500 --> 02:21:16.740
as opposed to status quo for now
02:21:16.740 --> 02:21:19.640
and if we very quickly ramp up this process
02:21:19.640 --> 02:21:20.473
that I've described?
02:21:20.473 --> 02:21:21.970
Does that make sense, the question I'm asking?
02:21:21.970 --> 02:21:22.803
Yes, sir.
02:21:24.400 --> 02:21:27.410
First of all, I do agree with you 100%
02:21:27.410 --> 02:21:28.750
that I think the answer is
02:21:28.750 --> 02:21:29.840
looking at the framework
02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:31.740
and aligning all trainings to
02:21:31.740 --> 02:21:33.860
the state board's framework.
02:21:33.860 --> 02:21:37.040
Because I am supportive of
02:21:37.040 --> 02:21:39.910
multiple different governance systems
02:21:39.910 --> 02:21:41.250
that have research behind them
02:21:41.250 --> 02:21:42.880
that say this is effective governance
02:21:42.880 --> 02:21:44.900
as long as they're aligned to the expectations
02:21:44.900 --> 02:21:47.370
that we set for our boards across the State.
02:21:47.370 --> 02:21:48.500
And we raise that bar.
02:21:50.130 --> 02:21:51.470
In order,
02:21:51.470 --> 02:21:53.120
I'm still gonna lean on
02:21:53.120 --> 02:21:54.970
I think it's best as proposed
02:21:54.970 --> 02:21:57.290
'cause that's what we brought to you to propose.
02:21:57.290 --> 02:22:01.470
But if you talk about the work to align to the framework
02:22:01.470 --> 02:22:04.850
and the lift that we're gonna have to make across the State
02:22:04.850 --> 02:22:08.530
to align a higher bar for trainers,
02:22:08.530 --> 02:22:11.890
if we're able to do part of that work now
02:22:11.890 --> 02:22:14.240
and lift more trainers up
02:22:14.240 --> 02:22:16.320
in the authorized provider of team-building
02:22:16.320 --> 02:22:18.510
in certain areas of that framework,
02:22:18.510 --> 02:22:21.100
that can be less of a lift in the future
02:22:21.100 --> 02:22:22.530
when the framework's reworked
02:22:22.530 --> 02:22:24.950
because they've already been exposed to
02:22:24.950 --> 02:22:26.930
the research that's behind good governance,
02:22:26.930 --> 02:22:29.300
the research in working collaboratively.
02:22:29.300 --> 02:22:31.290
And I think, potentially, when you talk about
02:22:31.290 --> 02:22:33.360
having the capacity of coaches,
02:22:34.410 --> 02:22:36.620
a step or two now, reworking the framework.
02:22:36.620 --> 02:22:38.180
And then if the bar goes higher
02:22:38.180 --> 02:22:40.390
or is more across the board just better,
02:22:41.870 --> 02:22:44.340
then we take those final steps in the future
02:22:44.340 --> 02:22:46.150
after that work is done.
I appreciate it.
02:22:46.150 --> 02:22:47.180
Okay, thank you.
02:22:47.180 --> 02:22:48.013
Mr. Allen.
02:22:49.780 --> 02:22:51.410
My question is for the chair
02:22:51.410 --> 02:22:53.860
as it pertains to this training.
02:22:53.860 --> 02:22:56.880
Let's say, for example, this amendment fails
02:22:56.880 --> 02:22:58.940
and the actions that you were talking about
02:22:58.940 --> 02:23:00.930
we needed to take in the future,
02:23:00.930 --> 02:23:02.860
would those things fail at this time as well?
02:23:02.860 --> 02:23:05.120
'Cause it's important to me that
02:23:06.410 --> 02:23:08.600
right now I'm leaning on the side of looking
02:23:08.600 --> 02:23:10.270
at what we expected
02:23:10.270 --> 02:23:12.520
and looking at those things through a process
02:23:14.110 --> 02:23:16.620
of improving what boards get for the team-building.
02:23:16.620 --> 02:23:17.580
I'm sitting in Houston,
02:23:17.580 --> 02:23:21.200
I've watched the board over the last year.
02:23:21.200 --> 02:23:23.310
Certainly right after some of the intense training
02:23:23.310 --> 02:23:24.520
that they received.
02:23:24.520 --> 02:23:26.640
And I would say they are definitely
02:23:26.640 --> 02:23:28.080
in the improvement process.
02:23:28.080 --> 02:23:29.940
So I know it's warranted.
02:23:29.940 --> 02:23:31.640
What my fear is is that
02:23:32.794 --> 02:23:35.220
we talked about a handful of boards
02:23:35.220 --> 02:23:37.100
needing this kind of assistance.
02:23:37.100 --> 02:23:40.010
So we theoretically didn't really have a problem
02:23:40.010 --> 02:23:41.470
and we're trying to fix a problem
02:23:41.470 --> 02:23:43.310
when we don't really have a problem.
02:23:43.310 --> 02:23:46.230
And we need to drill down into some specifics
02:23:46.230 --> 02:23:47.290
for some particular boards
02:23:47.290 --> 02:23:48.920
which means some local understanding of
02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:50.560
what their needs are.
02:23:50.560 --> 02:23:52.090
So I don't know what we're trying to fix
02:23:52.090 --> 02:23:54.040
if this rule is not hurting us,
02:23:54.040 --> 02:23:55.150
then we can remain here
02:23:55.150 --> 02:23:57.380
while we do some things internally
02:23:57.380 --> 02:23:59.060
before we to go out to boards
02:23:59.060 --> 02:24:02.170
what we expect for the particular team-building training.
02:24:02.170 --> 02:24:04.300
'Cause what I heard through all the discussion
02:24:04.300 --> 02:24:06.440
is that there was really no real focus on
02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:07.660
the team-building piece.
02:24:07.660 --> 02:24:08.740
And I'm concerned about that.
02:24:08.740 --> 02:24:10.760
So I need you to talk to me about
02:24:10.760 --> 02:24:12.280
if this fails, what happens?
02:24:13.540 --> 02:24:14.830
Dr. Ellis.
Yeah.
02:24:14.830 --> 02:24:16.770
And so, I think,
02:24:18.180 --> 02:24:20.820
if this fails, to direct to your question,
02:24:20.820 --> 02:24:22.550
and then we move to,
02:24:22.550 --> 02:24:24.990
the rule as proposed by the staff,
02:24:24.990 --> 02:24:27.490
that would bump this up to a authorized provider
02:24:27.490 --> 02:24:30.230
that would go into place when we make it effective.
02:24:30.230 --> 02:24:33.210
And I would still do that process
02:24:33.210 --> 02:24:35.140
that I was describing earlier,
02:24:35.140 --> 02:24:39.090
working with this board to engage stakeholders,
02:24:39.090 --> 02:24:42.510
to relook at our framework for school board development,
02:24:42.510 --> 02:24:45.600
rework at our, look at our rule in the future
02:24:45.600 --> 02:24:47.860
to see what our expectations are of team-building
02:24:47.860 --> 02:24:49.430
'cause I think that's loud and clear now.
02:24:49.430 --> 02:24:52.760
And then ramp up a process for becoming
02:24:52.760 --> 02:24:54.890
an authorized team-builder trainer,
02:24:54.890 --> 02:24:57.720
raise that bar for that within the pillar of,
02:24:57.720 --> 02:25:00.040
within the section of team-building, not that.
02:25:00.040 --> 02:25:01.850
I think your question is, if this fails
02:25:01.850 --> 02:25:03.980
do I still have the intention to do all of that?
02:25:03.980 --> 02:25:05.100
The answer is yes.
02:25:05.100 --> 02:25:06.967
And if it passes, what's your intention?
02:25:06.967 --> 02:25:10.660
The same.
02:25:10.660 --> 02:25:12.350
Okay, further discussion?
02:25:15.130 --> 02:25:17.940
We're ready to vote on the amendment.
02:25:17.940 --> 02:25:20.160
This does not require a two-thirds vote, right?
02:25:20.160 --> 02:25:22.370
This is just an amendment to the main motion.
02:25:22.370 --> 02:25:25.360
And so, we'll restate that, okay.
02:25:25.360 --> 02:25:27.260
The amendment is--
Oh.
02:25:27.260 --> 02:25:28.580
Oh, excuse me.
02:25:28.580 --> 02:25:29.730
Oh, Ms.
02:25:29.730 --> 02:25:32.820
I still am confused about the timing of this
02:25:32.820 --> 02:25:34.630
because I know that would be the second thing.
02:25:34.630 --> 02:25:35.580
That's the next part.
02:25:35.580 --> 02:25:37.040
Let's get this voted on,
But I don't see
02:25:37.040 --> 02:25:38.800
how we vote on this,
can decide.
02:25:38.800 --> 02:25:40.970
Unless we understand what the timing would be.
02:25:40.970 --> 02:25:42.470
Just because,
02:25:42.470 --> 02:25:44.610
if you're gonna do a short timing
02:25:44.610 --> 02:25:46.290
and you want it 20 days effective,
02:25:46.290 --> 02:25:49.120
that's a very different perspective
02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:49.970
than if you,
02:25:51.520 --> 02:25:54.760
if we decided that we wanted to make this effective later.
02:25:54.760 --> 02:25:55.593
I mean,
02:25:55.593 --> 02:25:56.720
I'm really stuck on timing.
Well I guess
02:25:56.720 --> 02:25:58.130
we can ask Ms. Crews,
02:25:58.130 --> 02:26:00.770
I'm not sure what to do--
If the motion as
02:26:00.770 --> 02:26:01.930
the timing of this,
02:26:03.600 --> 02:26:06.280
would be in order with this amendment
02:26:06.280 --> 02:26:07.820
on the floor or not.
02:26:13.080 --> 02:26:15.220
The rule about secondary amendments
02:26:15.220 --> 02:26:18.390
is that they must touch the primary amendment
02:26:18.390 --> 02:26:19.520
and must be germane.
02:26:20.430 --> 02:26:23.390
I would advise you therefore Mr. Chairman
02:26:23.390 --> 02:26:24.860
that this neither touches--
Vice Chairman.
02:26:24.860 --> 02:26:27.410
Mr. Vice Chairman, you're acting Chairman,
02:26:27.410 --> 02:26:32.200
that this is neither touching nor germane.
02:26:32.200 --> 02:26:34.430
However, it would be appropriate
02:26:34.430 --> 02:26:36.440
for a debater to say
02:26:36.440 --> 02:26:39.460
"Were this motion to be adopted or defeated,
02:26:39.460 --> 02:26:42.660
"I would then propose another amendment to do X."
02:26:42.660 --> 02:26:43.850
Great, that's what I'm hearing.
02:26:43.850 --> 02:26:47.310
So, that's the ruling of the acting chair as well.
02:26:47.310 --> 02:26:49.950
I don't think it's germane or touching this.
02:26:49.950 --> 02:26:51.420
So we're gonna vote on this.
02:26:51.420 --> 02:26:53.720
We're gonna vote on the amendment as proposed.
02:26:54.610 --> 02:26:56.370
And it is that,
02:26:56.370 --> 02:27:01.370
the motion is that the proposed new section 61.1b four F
02:27:02.580 --> 02:27:03.820
to read as be,
02:27:05.020 --> 02:27:05.900
to read as follows:
02:27:05.900 --> 02:27:09.150
the team-building session shall be provided by an ESC
02:27:09.150 --> 02:27:13.210
or a registered provider as described in subsection C
02:27:13.210 --> 02:27:14.220
of this section.
02:27:15.930 --> 02:27:20.570
So, all in favor signify by raising your right hand please.
02:27:21.843 --> 02:27:25.440
One, two, three, four, five, six,
02:27:25.440 --> 02:27:26.920
seven, eight.
02:27:26.920 --> 02:27:28.640
One, two, keep them up, one, two, three, four,
02:27:29.958 --> 02:27:33.110
five, six, seven, eight, is what I have.
02:27:33.110 --> 02:27:34.050
All opposed.
02:27:37.070 --> 02:27:38.390
One, two.
02:27:38.390 --> 02:27:40.690
And so are you other members planning on
02:27:40.690 --> 02:27:42.240
intending to abstain?
02:27:42.240 --> 02:27:43.226
Ms. Perez.
02:27:43.226 --> 02:27:45.383
(member speaking indistinctly)
02:27:45.383 --> 02:27:48.896
It's very difficult to go on this part
02:27:48.896 --> 02:27:50.640
without knowing the effects.
02:27:50.640 --> 02:27:52.110
Well I'm told that parliamentary matters
02:27:52.110 --> 02:27:52.943
we can't do that.
02:27:52.943 --> 02:27:53.840
So are y'all--
02:27:53.840 --> 02:27:57.350
Okay, so two opposed and the rest are abstaining.
02:27:58.410 --> 02:28:00.810
Okay, so the motion passes.
02:28:00.810 --> 02:28:05.040
And so we're now looking at
02:28:05.040 --> 02:28:06.230
the proposed,
02:28:07.150 --> 02:28:10.690
the recommendation of the Committee on School Initiatives,
02:28:10.690 --> 02:28:13.490
which is that the State Board of Education
02:28:13.490 --> 02:28:15.790
approve for second reading and final adoption
02:28:15.790 --> 02:28:19.720
proposed amendments to 19 TAC Chapter 61, School Districts,
02:28:19.720 --> 02:28:22.590
Subchapter A, Board of Trustees Relationship.
02:28:22.590 --> 02:28:26.260
As substituted, attachment A and
02:28:26.260 --> 02:28:28.170
at this point the recommendation is
02:28:28.170 --> 02:28:29.350
we make an affirmative fi--
02:28:29.350 --> 02:28:31.240
Or as amended I should say,
02:28:31.240 --> 02:28:32.160
right?
Yes, sir.
02:28:32.160 --> 02:28:33.400
As amended.
02:28:33.400 --> 02:28:35.670
And that we make an affirmative finding
02:28:35.670 --> 02:28:39.520
that immediate adoption of the proposed amendments to that
02:28:39.520 --> 02:28:41.920
19 TAC Chapter 61, School Districts,
02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:44.270
Subchapter A, Board of Trustees Relationship
02:28:44.270 --> 02:28:47.280
is necessary and shall have an effective date of 20 days
02:28:47.280 --> 02:28:50.170
after filing as adopted with the Texas Register.
02:28:50.170 --> 02:28:53.730
So is there any discussion now on the motion as amended?
02:28:54.740 --> 02:28:55.730
Yes, Mr. Cortez.
02:28:56.990 --> 02:28:59.190
I'd still like to discuss the issue about,
02:29:00.220 --> 02:29:02.570
we're gonna back to this, I think,
02:29:02.570 --> 02:29:06.030
and now knowing that the chair wants to reopen this
02:29:06.030 --> 02:29:08.000
and redo this framework, I think,
02:29:09.170 --> 02:29:12.080
having heard one of the testifiers talk about
02:29:12.920 --> 02:29:14.760
eight to 10% of our local school boards
02:29:14.760 --> 02:29:16.080
take some of this training online,
02:29:16.080 --> 02:29:19.270
I think we should continue to allow for that to happen
02:29:19.270 --> 02:29:21.740
until we've corrected what we need to do.
02:29:21.740 --> 02:29:23.390
Okay, 10% of our school districts,
02:29:23.390 --> 02:29:26.130
you're talking about 120 school districts
02:29:26.130 --> 02:29:27.030
in the State of Texas.
02:29:27.030 --> 02:29:29.130
And it's a lot of trustees.
02:29:29.130 --> 02:29:31.060
And if we make it impossible for them
02:29:31.060 --> 02:29:32.830
to do this online training
02:29:32.830 --> 02:29:34.650
I don't think we do them a good service.
02:29:34.650 --> 02:29:36.890
Okay, so my understanding is that
02:29:36.890 --> 02:29:40.880
that member Cortez can make that as an amendment
02:29:40.880 --> 02:29:44.050
to the proposed rule.
02:29:44.050 --> 02:29:46.430
But we would need that in the form of an amendment.
02:29:46.430 --> 02:29:48.000
Is that right Ms. Crews?
Yes sir.
02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:49.780
Okay, so we'd need that in the form of an amendment
02:29:49.780 --> 02:29:51.350
and it's going to need to be,
02:29:52.810 --> 02:29:54.890
you may need to get staff's assistance
02:29:54.890 --> 02:29:55.723
to--
Okay.
02:29:55.723 --> 02:29:57.540
To cite the specific provision
02:29:57.540 --> 02:29:58.940
because I don't know that we have all of it here
02:29:58.940 --> 02:30:00.420
in front of us.
I don't have in front of me
02:30:00.420 --> 02:30:02.540
and since I was out yesterday I would (audio clipping)
02:30:02.540 --> 02:30:05.210
Okay, so why don't you take a moment and get with staff
02:30:05.210 --> 02:30:06.510
because we're gonna need the language
02:30:06.510 --> 02:30:09.520
of that particular provision.
02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:11.170
Maybe Ms. Cargill can assist you.
02:30:12.200 --> 02:30:13.310
In the meantime,
02:30:14.300 --> 02:30:16.880
Mr. Allen, did you have a question or something to add?
02:30:16.880 --> 02:30:18.540
Okay, in the meantime, so now I think
02:30:18.540 --> 02:30:20.410
we can talk about the date
02:30:21.490 --> 02:30:23.390
and the provision that says,
02:30:23.390 --> 02:30:25.340
whether we make an affirmative finding,
02:30:26.230 --> 02:30:29.690
it's necessary and have an effective date of 20 days.
02:30:29.690 --> 02:30:32.980
Or is there another date that we need to be looking at?
02:30:32.980 --> 02:30:33.813
Dr. Robinson.
02:30:34.680 --> 02:30:37.000
What about just making it,
02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:39.980
fixing this problem of it being a real tight timeframe
02:30:39.980 --> 02:30:42.670
is make it January 1st of 21.
02:30:42.670 --> 02:30:44.570
Is that in the form of a motion?
02:30:44.570 --> 02:30:46.430
I so move, yeah.
Okay.
02:30:46.430 --> 02:30:49.650
Is there a second?
No.
02:30:49.650 --> 02:30:51.070
Well I'm gonna give it a minute.
02:30:51.070 --> 02:30:52.280
Just 'cause you don't second
02:30:52.280 --> 02:30:53.790
means there's not one.
I went and raised
02:30:53.790 --> 02:30:55.390
my hand first.
02:30:55.390 --> 02:30:57.770
Is there a second to an effective date of
02:30:57.770 --> 02:30:59.490
January 1st, 2021?
02:31:00.945 --> 02:31:03.130
No, okay, hearing--
02:31:03.130 --> 02:31:05.629
We got second for the purpose of discussion.
02:31:05.629 --> 02:31:07.980
Okay, so it is seconded then.
02:31:07.980 --> 02:31:10.290
So the motion currently before us
02:31:10.290 --> 02:31:14.810
is that it have an effective date of January 1st, 2021.
02:31:15.900 --> 02:31:17.490
Discussion on that motion.
02:31:17.490 --> 02:31:19.510
I would like to discuss, please.
02:31:19.510 --> 02:31:21.000
And I think we're gonna need staff
02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:22.940
but staff is predisposed.
Okay.
02:31:22.940 --> 02:31:25.460
Well, and so should we be.
02:31:25.460 --> 02:31:28.400
And that's part of my discussion item.
02:31:28.400 --> 02:31:31.800
So because many of us are not part of
02:31:31.800 --> 02:31:33.410
your School Initiatives Committee
02:31:33.410 --> 02:31:36.950
and we didn't hear any of this.
02:31:36.950 --> 02:31:40.020
And part of my, I'm speaking for myself only,
02:31:40.020 --> 02:31:42.220
part of abstaining is because
02:31:42.220 --> 02:31:46.490
we're not understanding how does this impact
02:31:46.490 --> 02:31:50.800
the compliance of trustees and school boards as a whole
02:31:50.800 --> 02:31:52.650
because we weren't part of that discussion
02:31:52.650 --> 02:31:55.800
where we're not comfortable voting on
02:31:55.800 --> 02:31:57.660
what a great deal of this means
02:31:57.660 --> 02:31:59.060
and then therefore going home
02:31:59.060 --> 02:32:00.360
and explaining to our trustees
02:32:00.360 --> 02:32:02.150
what we just did to them.
02:32:02.150 --> 02:32:07.150
And so, I would also like to know is it possible that
02:32:07.440 --> 02:32:09.310
maybe we move on to something,
02:32:09.310 --> 02:32:11.230
give us an opportunity to understand it.
02:32:11.230 --> 02:32:13.500
I'm not saying till next meeting,
02:32:13.500 --> 02:32:16.180
I'm just saying the same way that staff is over here
02:32:16.180 --> 02:32:17.900
trying to explain it to themselves,
02:32:17.900 --> 02:32:19.530
I'd like some explanation to us too
02:32:19.530 --> 02:32:21.440
before we vote on this.
02:32:21.440 --> 02:32:24.830
Okay, so I'm not sure what you're asking for.
02:32:26.470 --> 02:32:27.303
You can,
02:32:27.303 --> 02:32:31.860
we can table this until a later point on the agenda.
02:32:31.860 --> 02:32:33.010
Today.
Correct, today.
02:32:33.010 --> 02:32:34.660
Today.
That's exactly right.
02:32:36.899 --> 02:32:38.020
And if that's in order,
02:32:38.020 --> 02:32:41.060
if that's what you're moving Ms. Perez?
02:32:41.060 --> 02:32:43.700
That is my request.
Okay, so Ms. Perez has moved
02:32:43.700 --> 02:32:46.410
that we table this agenda item,
02:32:46.410 --> 02:32:48.150
Second.
Postpone is that what it is?
02:32:48.150 --> 02:32:52.170
Postpone this until a later point in today's meeting.
02:32:52.170 --> 02:32:53.570
Yes.
A short break.
02:32:53.570 --> 02:32:55.010
We just need--
Right now.
02:32:55.010 --> 02:32:57.230
But can I say one thing?
Well, that okay
02:32:57.230 --> 02:32:58.230
hang on one time.
02:32:58.230 --> 02:32:59.760
I haven't done this before
02:32:59.760 --> 02:33:01.790
but I think I know.
You're good.
02:33:01.790 --> 02:33:04.430
We either table it or we postpone it
02:33:04.430 --> 02:33:06.160
until we take up other agenda items,
02:33:06.160 --> 02:33:07.350
which is probably the best idea
02:33:07.350 --> 02:33:10.010
'cause we have other things to handle today.
02:33:10.010 --> 02:33:11.990
And then at some point we can take a break
02:33:11.990 --> 02:33:12.823
and come back.
02:33:12.823 --> 02:33:15.190
But for now, there's been a motion and a second
02:33:15.190 --> 02:33:17.450
to table or to postpone, excuse me,
02:33:17.450 --> 02:33:18.310
this agenda item.
02:33:19.191 --> 02:33:21.050
Is that motion debatable?
02:33:21.050 --> 02:33:23.050
Yes sir.
Okay, it is debatable.
02:33:23.050 --> 02:33:25.170
Any discussion on tabling this item
02:33:25.170 --> 02:33:26.950
until a later point in today's meeting.
02:33:26.950 --> 02:33:29.540
A point of information.
Yes ma'am.
02:33:29.540 --> 02:33:30.930
So this is just a point of information
02:33:30.930 --> 02:33:33.540
and by mentioning, we just passed the team-building session
02:33:33.540 --> 02:33:37.510
shall be provided by an ESC or a registered provider
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which is we're not changing what we're doing right now.
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We're just saying, you can sign up yourself
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and do whatever.
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And we're also,
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the proposal is to make that effective
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January 1st, 2021.
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Is that, (audio clips)
No, it'd be the entire
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the entire rule change,
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as we're look at effective date of the entire rule change,
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not just that amendment.
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Well, but I'm saying,
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that means you could not revisit
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the registered provider thing
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until after implementation of January 1st, 2021.
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Is that really what the board wants to do?
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That's what I want to check out here.
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Okay, but right now we're taking up the tabling of,
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or the postponing of this agenda item.
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That goes to the merits.
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Yeah.
Save that thought.
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So any further discussion on
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why or why not we should move this
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to a later point in the meeting?
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We ready to vote?
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All in favor of postponing this agenda item
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to a later point in the meeting,
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signify by saying, "Aye."
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Aye.
All opposed?
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(gavel banging)
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Motion carries.
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And I don't have to preside anymore, right?
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Because I'm just presiding.
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All right.
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All right, so we're going on to the next agenda item
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which is probably the Committee on School Initiatives.
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Yes.
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Has,
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Ms. Cargill.
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Ms. Cargill, other Committee on School Initiatives
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recommendations, you wanna continue your report?
02:35:02.060 --> 02:35:03.290
Okay, yes.
Please.
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We haven't had this much fun on a Friday in a long time.
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Okay, Ms. Cargill you'll continue please
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the Committee on School Initiatives report.
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Okay, so members in your packet of motions
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I'm on page four.
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The Committee on School Initiatives recommends
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recommends that the State Board of Education take no action
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on the proposed amendments to
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19 TAC Chapter 249, Disciplinary Proceedings,
02:35:35.990 --> 02:35:37.830
Sanctions, and Contested Cases,
02:35:37.830 --> 02:35:41.690
Subchapter B, Enforcement Actions and Guidelines.
02:35:41.690 --> 02:35:46.020
This item was simply to insert recent legislation.
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So it was to meet statutory obligations.
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Okay, so everyone who meets with the motion
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it appears on page four of the
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Committee on School Initiatives.
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Any discussion?
02:35:57.240 --> 02:35:58.780
We can just vote, I don't have to restate it,
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do I?
Correct.
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Okay, all in favor of the motion,
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signify by saying, "Aye."
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Aye.
Opposed, "No."
02:36:06.350 --> 02:36:07.200
Motion carries.
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I guess the next item on the agenda
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is the Committee of the Full Board.
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And that's supposed to be me.
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So let's take a break.
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How about that.
02:36:18.190 --> 02:36:19.850
Let's take a 15-minute break.
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We'll be back at noon.
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We are still postponed on item number 18.
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So go to item number 19 on CSI
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or go back to the full board?
02:36:37.142 --> 02:36:40.693
(members speaking indistinctly)
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Okay so now we're gonna to the Committee of the Full Board
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which should be item number three,
02:36:46.670 --> 02:36:48.230
which is a one-time procedural action
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to correct amendments to 19 TAC.
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So I am gonna call on Mr. Rowley.
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Okay, so we're on the minutes
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of the Committee of the Full Board.
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January 28th set of minutes.
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The first item appears on page two.
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It's official agenda item number three,
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board agenda page I-5.
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And it is recommended by the Full Board
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that the State Board of Education amend,
02:37:22.573 --> 02:37:23.770
no, let's see, is that right?
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The previously adopted motion for the
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November 15th, 2019 minutes.
02:37:27.220 --> 02:37:29.398
Yes.
I guess that is right, okay.
02:37:29.398 --> 02:37:31.030
It didn't sound right.
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To amend the previously adopted motion from the
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November 15, 2019 minutes of the State Board of Education
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to reinstate the sentence:
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"Samples of submitted prekindergarten materials
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"must match the format of the products
02:37:44.630 --> 02:37:47.820
"to be provided to schools upon ordering,"
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in 19 TAC Chapter 66, State Adoption
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and Distribution of Instructional Materials,
02:37:53.780 --> 02:37:57.230
Subchapter B, State Adoption of Instructional Materials
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Section 66.28D2 and to remove the sentence,
02:38:02.610 --> 02:38:05.010
"Samples of adopted prekindergarten materials
02:38:05.010 --> 02:38:06.990
"must match the format of the products
02:38:06.990 --> 02:38:08.880
"to be provided to schools upon ordering"
02:38:08.880 --> 02:38:12.550
from section 66.28 D seven.
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Okay.
02:38:16.220 --> 02:38:18.970
For the motion is there any other discussion on this item?
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Okay, those in favor please say, "Aye."
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Aye.
02:38:23.560 --> 02:38:25.210
Those opposed please say, "No."
02:38:26.050 --> 02:38:27.240
So there is a majority in favor
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and the recommendation is adopted.
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Okay, the next item is number five in the minutes
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but it's official agenda item number four,
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it's on your board agenda book, page I-9.
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It's recommended that the State Board of Education
02:38:40.260 --> 02:38:42.860
approve for first reading and filing authorization
02:38:42.860 --> 02:38:46.370
proposed amendments to 19 TAC, Chapter 74,
02:38:46.370 --> 02:38:48.510
Curriculum Requirements, Subchapter B,
02:38:48.510 --> 02:38:50.260
Graduation Requirements,
02:38:50.260 --> 02:38:54.880
Section 74.11, High School Graduation Requirements,
02:38:54.880 --> 02:38:56.670
Section 74,
02:38:56.670 --> 02:38:59.900
or Section 74.12, Foundation High School Programs,
02:38:59.900 --> 02:39:03.430
and Section 74.13, Endorsements.
02:39:06.810 --> 02:39:09.200
Okay, for the motion is there any further discussion?
02:39:10.550 --> 02:39:12.396
Those in favor please say, "Aye."
02:39:12.396 --> 02:39:13.896
Aye.
Those opposed, "No."
02:39:14.940 --> 02:39:16.230
Okay, there is a majority in favor
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and the recommendation is adopted.
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We are going to skip--
Skip that one.
02:39:20.690 --> 02:39:23.000
We're going to postpone item five
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and move on to item number six.
02:39:25.980 --> 02:39:28.290
Okay, actually it's item six
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in the minutes.
I'm sorry.
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Right, we're gonna postpone item five,
02:39:31.810 --> 02:39:33.720
is there any objection?
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Hearing none.
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Okay, and that was actually item six in your minutes.
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So go all the way to
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page nine in your ag--
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your Committee of the Full Board minutes,
02:39:50.100 --> 02:39:53.120
it's item seven but it's agenda item number six.
02:39:54.220 --> 02:39:56.670
Everybody with me, page nine?
02:39:56.670 --> 02:39:59.610
It's recommended that the State Board of Education
02:39:59.610 --> 02:40:02.400
approve for first reading and filing authorization
02:40:02.400 --> 02:40:06.400
proposed revisions to 19 TAC Chapter 126,
02:40:06.400 --> 02:40:08.810
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills
02:40:08.810 --> 02:40:10.950
for Technology Applications,
02:40:10.950 --> 02:40:14.180
Subchapter C, High School, and Subchapter D,
02:40:14.180 --> 02:40:16.970
Other Technology Applications Courses,
02:40:16.970 --> 02:40:20.240
and Chapter 130, Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills
02:40:20.240 --> 02:40:22.440
for Career and Technical Education,
02:40:22.440 --> 02:40:26.560
Subchapter A, Agriculture, Food, and Natural Resources,
02:40:26.560 --> 02:40:29.930
Subchapter C, Arts, Audio/Video Technology,
02:40:29.930 --> 02:40:31.470
and Communications,
02:40:31.470 --> 02:40:34.800
Subchapter K, Information Technology,
02:40:34.800 --> 02:40:37.340
Subchapter O, Science, Technology,
02:40:37.340 --> 02:40:39.030
Engineering, and Mathematics,
02:40:39.030 --> 02:40:41.880
and Subchapter Q, Energy.
02:40:43.652 --> 02:40:44.770
All right members, you've heard the motion
02:40:44.770 --> 02:40:46.370
is there any further discussion?
02:40:48.020 --> 02:40:50.719
Hearing none, those in favor please say, "Aye."
02:40:50.719 --> 02:40:52.750
Aye.
Those opposed say, "No."
02:40:54.200 --> 02:40:55.560
There is a majority in favor
02:40:55.560 --> 02:40:57.540
and the recommendation is adopted.
02:40:57.540 --> 02:40:59.340
Okay, now we're going to the minutes
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from January 29th, 2020.
02:41:02.430 --> 02:41:05.230
That's the other minutes there.
02:41:06.710 --> 02:41:08.110
Committee of the Full Board.
02:41:11.380 --> 02:41:13.640
This is item number one in your minutes.
02:41:13.640 --> 02:41:16.040
It's official agenda item number seven.
02:41:16.040 --> 02:41:18.990
It's on board agenda page I-138.
02:41:19.830 --> 02:41:22.800
It's the little two-page set of minutes
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from January 29, 2020.
02:41:25.870 --> 02:41:27.890
Recommended that the State Board of Education
02:41:27.890 --> 02:41:31.680
approve proposed amendments to Proclamation 2021
02:41:31.680 --> 02:41:34.510
of the State Board of Education Advertising for Bids
02:41:34.510 --> 02:41:35.910
on Instructional Materials.
02:41:38.300 --> 02:41:40.040
Members, you've heard the motion.
02:41:40.040 --> 02:41:41.640
Is there any further discussion?
02:41:43.110 --> 02:41:45.390
Those in favor please say, "Aye."
02:41:45.390 --> 02:41:47.320
Aye.
Those opposed say, "No."
02:41:48.630 --> 02:41:49.820
Then there is a majority in favor
02:41:49.820 --> 02:41:51.480
and the recommendation is adopted.
02:41:51.480 --> 02:41:56.190
Okay, so on page two, this is item two in the minutes.
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It's official agenda item number eight.
02:41:58.970 --> 02:42:01.240
Board agenda page I-139,
02:42:01.240 --> 02:42:05.050
it's an update on a Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills,
02:42:05.050 --> 02:42:06.000
TEKS Review.
02:42:07.360 --> 02:42:09.810
The first recommendation is
02:42:09.810 --> 02:42:11.340
that the State Board of Education
02:42:11.340 --> 02:42:14.350
direct the science TEKS review work groups
02:42:14.350 --> 02:42:16.820
to strongly consider maintaining the language
02:42:16.820 --> 02:42:18.040
and biology
02:42:18.040 --> 02:42:22.710
student expectation seven B, four A and six A
02:42:22.710 --> 02:42:27.070
as well as three A.
02:42:28.170 --> 02:42:30.200
Members, you've heard the motion.
02:42:30.200 --> 02:42:31.400
Is there any discussion?
02:42:32.760 --> 02:42:34.760
Hearing none, all those in favor say, "Aye."
02:42:34.760 --> 02:42:36.460
Aye.
Those opposed say, "No."
02:42:37.820 --> 02:42:38.760
There is a majority in favor
02:42:38.760 --> 02:42:40.545
and the recommendation is adopted.
02:42:40.545 --> 02:42:45.380
Okay, the next recommendation under that same item is
02:42:45.380 --> 02:42:47.510
that the State Board of Education direct
02:42:47.510 --> 02:42:50.170
the science TEKS review work groups
02:42:50.170 --> 02:42:55.120
to standardize the language of student expectations three A
02:42:55.120 --> 02:42:58.400
in biology, chemistry, IPC and physics
02:42:58.400 --> 02:43:00.800
and all other high school science courses.
02:43:02.490 --> 02:43:04.050
Members, you have heard the motion,
02:43:04.050 --> 02:43:05.650
is there any further discussion?
02:43:07.640 --> 02:43:08.473
Ms. Perez.
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We're on page three, right?
02:43:09.980 --> 02:43:12.180
No, we're on page two, bottom of page two.
02:43:20.687 --> 02:43:25.590
Yes, okay.
Ms. Perez.
02:43:25.590 --> 02:43:28.850
After conferring with the staff organization
02:43:28.850 --> 02:43:30.000
and several science
02:43:32.700 --> 02:43:35.950
several of our content advisors
02:43:35.950 --> 02:43:38.560
I would like to strike the
02:43:39.680 --> 02:43:43.400
NGSS and send it back to our advisors as such.
02:43:43.400 --> 02:43:45.250
K-12 Framework.
Um, that's not--
02:43:45.250 --> 02:43:46.490
And just keep the K-12 framework.
02:43:46.490 --> 02:43:48.460
That's not this one.
It's the next one.
02:43:48.460 --> 02:43:51.530
That's the wrong motion.
02:43:51.530 --> 02:43:55.550
This is on three A in biology, chemistry, IPC
02:43:55.550 --> 02:43:57.202
and physics and all other high school science courses.
02:43:57.202 --> 02:43:59.430
Oh, sorry.
Okay.
02:43:59.430 --> 02:44:01.020
We're ahead of you, go ahead.
02:44:01.020 --> 02:44:02.430
We'll get there, here in just a minute.
02:44:02.430 --> 02:44:04.000
We're trying to catch up to y'all.
02:44:05.365 --> 02:44:06.860
All right, is there any other further discussion
02:44:06.860 --> 02:44:07.730
on this item?
02:44:08.790 --> 02:44:11.060
Hearing none, those in favor please say, "Aye."
02:44:11.060 --> 02:44:13.430
Aye.
Those opposed, "No."
02:44:13.430 --> 02:44:15.150
Okay, the next motion.
Hold on.
02:44:15.150 --> 02:44:16.830
Under that same--
Hold on just a sec.
02:44:16.830 --> 02:44:18.020
There's a majority in favor
02:44:18.020 --> 02:44:19.890
and the recommendation is adopted.
02:44:19.890 --> 02:44:21.210
Next item under that same,
02:44:21.210 --> 02:44:24.930
or next motion under that same item is that
02:44:24.930 --> 02:44:27.040
it's recommended that the State Board of Education
02:44:27.040 --> 02:44:29.850
direct the science TEKS review work groups
02:44:29.850 --> 02:44:33.140
to consider how the K-12 framework
02:44:33.140 --> 02:44:35.220
and the Next Generation Science Standards
02:44:35.220 --> 02:44:37.210
might be incorporated,
02:44:37.210 --> 02:44:39.970
integrated to use as a resource.
02:44:39.970 --> 02:44:43.770
Actually, sorry, I read the wrong one.
02:44:43.770 --> 02:44:45.130
Yeah, I'm sorry, page three,
02:44:45.130 --> 02:44:46.880
it's where it says, "Vote," right there.
02:44:46.880 --> 02:44:48.350
Sorry, that was the original motion.
02:44:48.350 --> 02:44:49.540
It was amended.
02:44:49.540 --> 02:44:50.674
My bad.
02:44:50.674 --> 02:44:52.270
Okay, everybody with me on vote
02:44:52.270 --> 02:44:53.710
under that same item?
02:44:53.710 --> 02:44:55.420
Recommend that the State Board of Education
02:44:55.420 --> 02:44:57.480
direct the science TEKS review work groups
02:44:57.480 --> 02:45:00.440
to consider how the K-12 framework
02:45:00.440 --> 02:45:02.580
and the Next Generation Science Standards
02:45:02.580 --> 02:45:05.640
will be used as a resource to inform
02:45:05.640 --> 02:45:09.040
recommendations for revision of the science TEKS.
02:45:09.920 --> 02:45:11.020
That's the one, sorry.
02:45:12.700 --> 02:45:14.370
I'm sorry (audio drowned out by fan)
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So we have a motion, is there any discussion?
02:45:17.500 --> 02:45:18.680
Ms. Hardy.
02:45:18.680 --> 02:45:20.890
Just a clarification.
02:45:20.890 --> 02:45:22.340
That's leaving off the,
02:45:23.230 --> 02:45:24.840
that's just this framework?
02:45:25.980 --> 02:45:26.813
No.
02:45:26.813 --> 02:45:29.620
As written it's the K-12 framework
02:45:29.620 --> 02:45:31.669
and the Next Generation Science Standards.
02:45:31.669 --> 02:45:33.669
So I have a motion.
Oh, okay.
02:45:33.669 --> 02:45:35.497
Yeah, yes I'm--
Do it.
02:45:35.497 --> 02:45:37.638
Sorry.
Ms. Perez.
02:45:37.638 --> 02:45:40.040
Okay, thank you.
02:45:40.040 --> 02:45:40.873
You want me to--
02:45:40.873 --> 02:45:42.530
Go ahead and call on me.
02:45:42.530 --> 02:45:45.070
Thank you sir.
Ms. Perez.
02:45:46.700 --> 02:45:48.000
What I would like please
02:45:49.010 --> 02:45:53.566
is to strike, "and the Next Generation Science Standards".
02:45:53.566 --> 02:45:55.360
Second.
We have a motion to second.
02:45:55.360 --> 02:45:57.640
Would you like to speak to your motion?
02:45:57.640 --> 02:46:00.880
After confirming with the staff organization
02:46:00.880 --> 02:46:04.330
and a couple of our content advisors
02:46:04.330 --> 02:46:05.560
this comes from,
02:46:05.560 --> 02:46:07.780
this is their recommendation.
02:46:07.780 --> 02:46:08.720
Okay.
02:46:08.720 --> 02:46:10.140
Any other discussion on the item?
02:46:10.140 --> 02:46:10.973
Ms. Bahorich.
02:46:12.020 --> 02:46:14.220
I wanna make sure we get the right name in here.
02:46:14.220 --> 02:46:16.550
So I might wanna change it from K-12 framework,
02:46:16.550 --> 02:46:17.980
that sounds so generic.
02:46:17.980 --> 02:46:18.930
But it actually is
02:46:18.930 --> 02:46:22.390
A Framework for K-12 Science Education
02:46:22.390 --> 02:46:23.510
is the proper name.
02:46:25.520 --> 02:46:27.760
That would be an order after this motion.
02:46:27.760 --> 02:46:28.593
Oh, okay.
02:46:28.593 --> 02:46:30.000
So we k-- Okay.
02:46:30.000 --> 02:46:30.833
Okay.
Okay.
02:46:31.877 --> 02:46:33.070
I have a quick question, I guess you're
02:46:33.070 --> 02:46:34.760
the maker of the motion.
Yes sir.
02:46:34.760 --> 02:46:36.590
We're gonna Mr. Riley, then Mr. Maynard,
02:46:36.590 --> 02:46:37.740
then Ms. Perez-Diaz.
Okay.
02:46:37.740 --> 02:46:39.370
And so,
02:46:39.370 --> 02:46:44.340
seeing as how we're only directing them to consider
02:46:44.340 --> 02:46:46.420
the Next Generation Science Standards
02:46:46.420 --> 02:46:48.010
and not mandating anything,
02:46:48.010 --> 02:46:50.560
I'm just wondering why they can't consider it even?
02:46:53.060 --> 02:46:54.429
Would you like to speak to it?
02:46:54.429 --> 02:46:56.100
Go ahead.
02:46:56.100 --> 02:46:57.758
We're all on the same page.
02:46:57.758 --> 02:46:58.920
Yeah.
02:46:58.920 --> 02:47:00.630
Ms. Hardy.
02:47:00.630 --> 02:47:02.380
I will speak to that.
02:47:02.380 --> 02:47:03.630
The,
02:47:03.630 --> 02:47:04.940
the standards,
02:47:06.032 --> 02:47:09.700
the K-12 standards that Donna just renamed
02:47:09.700 --> 02:47:14.140
that is widely accepted by our reviewers
02:47:15.175 --> 02:47:16.850
our expert people.
The framework?
02:47:16.850 --> 02:47:17.940
Yeah, framework, thank you.
Okay.
02:47:17.940 --> 02:47:19.400
I can't think of the word.
02:47:19.400 --> 02:47:20.820
The framework is.
02:47:20.820 --> 02:47:21.740
And it's,
02:47:21.740 --> 02:47:23.600
it's getting kinda muddled together,
02:47:23.600 --> 02:47:25.580
framework and the other,
02:47:27.400 --> 02:47:28.460
deal.
02:47:28.460 --> 02:47:31.450
And the framework is a really good starting point
02:47:31.450 --> 02:47:34.850
and a really good thing to pull into our standards.
02:47:34.850 --> 02:47:36.900
The other, they could use it
02:47:36.900 --> 02:47:39.330
but it might add confusion to it
02:47:39.330 --> 02:47:41.020
because it's a whole different setup.
02:47:41.020 --> 02:47:43.460
It's a whole different organization.
02:47:43.460 --> 02:47:46.620
Whereas the framework could be,
02:47:46.620 --> 02:47:48.960
is a more clear understanding of what
02:47:49.810 --> 02:47:53.045
we want them to do in the way of science standards.
02:47:53.045 --> 02:47:54.560
Okay.
02:47:55.458 --> 02:47:56.680
Might I speak to that?
Yes.
02:47:56.680 --> 02:47:59.160
And so while I guess if we're just,
02:47:59.160 --> 02:48:01.720
I mean, if it confuses them, I understand.
02:48:01.720 --> 02:48:03.700
But all we're doing is asking them
02:48:03.700 --> 02:48:05.140
to consider as a resource,
02:48:06.170 --> 02:48:07.910
those other standards.
02:48:07.910 --> 02:48:08.810
I don't feel strongly about it
02:48:08.810 --> 02:48:10.330
one way or the other.
The framework is really good
02:48:10.330 --> 02:48:11.680
and the other isn't so good.
02:48:11.680 --> 02:48:12.513
How about that?
02:48:13.650 --> 02:48:15.000
Okay.
Okay.
02:48:15.000 --> 02:48:15.833
I've got,
02:48:15.833 --> 02:48:17.360
are you speaking on this point?
02:48:17.360 --> 02:48:19.630
Yes.
Okay, Ms. Perez-Diaz.
02:48:19.630 --> 02:48:20.760
Thank you Chairman.
02:48:20.760 --> 02:48:21.593
So I do have a,
02:48:21.593 --> 02:48:22.426
I do have a question.
02:48:22.426 --> 02:48:24.290
I'm trying to understand,
02:48:24.290 --> 02:48:27.390
so the recommendation to remove
02:48:27.390 --> 02:48:30.560
the Next Gen Science Standards comes from
02:48:30.560 --> 02:48:33.290
the content experts
02:48:33.290 --> 02:48:34.910
that were,
02:48:36.330 --> 02:48:38.080
that did not testify yesterday.
02:48:39.495 --> 02:48:40.890
Is that correct?
02:48:40.890 --> 02:48:42.705
Well the people that testified were not.
02:48:42.705 --> 02:48:44.500
Microphone please.
Right, so I just,
02:48:44.500 --> 02:48:46.810
so but, it doesn't include the people
02:48:46.810 --> 02:48:48.950
who came and testified yesterday, is that correct?
02:48:51.180 --> 02:48:52.580
Ms. Perez, if you'd like to respond to that
02:48:52.580 --> 02:48:54.050
please turn on your microphone.
02:48:55.790 --> 02:48:59.170
I think it includes some but not all.
02:49:00.360 --> 02:49:01.940
I guess what I'm trying to get at is...
02:49:03.330 --> 02:49:05.800
So for me, framework and science standards
02:49:05.800 --> 02:49:06.633
it's two separate things.
02:49:06.633 --> 02:49:08.530
And I understand that.
Right.
02:49:08.530 --> 02:49:10.120
The science standards, I think,
02:49:10.120 --> 02:49:12.000
would help to inform,
02:49:12.000 --> 02:49:13.650
just looking at the content
02:49:15.020 --> 02:49:16.090
each standard at a time.
02:49:16.090 --> 02:49:19.020
Whereas the framework sort of creates what that
02:49:19.020 --> 02:49:20.370
ultimately could look like.
02:49:21.530 --> 02:49:23.910
So ultimate implementation.
02:49:23.910 --> 02:49:25.340
Where I'm concerned with
02:49:26.270 --> 02:49:29.060
I think we had a long, drawn-out conversation
02:49:29.060 --> 02:49:31.760
about how even to word this particular item.
02:49:31.760 --> 02:49:33.630
And then I think by removing
02:49:33.630 --> 02:49:35.060
the Next Gen Science Standards,
02:49:35.060 --> 02:49:37.960
we're ignoring many, many practitioners.
02:49:37.960 --> 02:49:40.870
I'm talking about thousands of practitioners
02:49:40.870 --> 02:49:43.310
that looked at this and made recommendations
02:49:43.310 --> 02:49:46.250
to the individuals who testified yesterday
02:49:46.250 --> 02:49:48.250
who are they themselves, practitioners.
02:49:51.250 --> 02:49:53.400
Who testified to using
02:49:53.400 --> 02:49:55.230
the Next Gen Science Standards already.
02:49:55.230 --> 02:49:56.480
And so,
02:49:56.480 --> 02:49:57.350
where I
02:49:57.350 --> 02:50:01.110
I respect and value the opinion of our content experts.
02:50:01.110 --> 02:50:03.360
I also very much highly respect and value
02:50:03.360 --> 02:50:06.250
the opinion of people who are practicing.
02:50:06.250 --> 02:50:07.270
And if they're n--
02:50:07.270 --> 02:50:08.530
They didn't seem to be confused
02:50:08.530 --> 02:50:11.866
when they came and testified about using both.
02:50:11.866 --> 02:50:13.440
I,
02:50:13.440 --> 02:50:14.830
I think I would speak in,
02:50:14.830 --> 02:50:16.830
I would speak against the motion.
02:50:18.040 --> 02:50:20.910
Mr. Maynard and then Ms. Davis.
02:50:20.910 --> 02:50:23.020
And this is a question perhaps for,
02:50:23.870 --> 02:50:24.860
for staff, but,
02:50:26.170 --> 02:50:29.290
the effect of the motion if we strike
02:50:30.140 --> 02:50:31.560
Next Generation Science Standards
02:50:31.560 --> 02:50:33.530
that does not preclude them
02:50:33.530 --> 02:50:35.370
or prohibit them in any way
02:50:35.370 --> 02:50:37.230
from consulting them or looking at them,
02:50:37.230 --> 02:50:38.380
it just says is that,
02:50:39.220 --> 02:50:40.470
it's just not officially.
02:50:40.470 --> 02:50:42.620
In other words, we're directing them
02:50:42.620 --> 02:50:44.220
to look at the framework.
02:50:45.560 --> 02:50:46.870
But we're not prohibiting them
02:50:46.870 --> 02:50:48.900
from looking at the other.
Right.
02:50:48.900 --> 02:50:50.090
All right, thank you.
02:50:50.090 --> 02:50:51.230
You wanna speak to that point
02:50:51.230 --> 02:50:52.617
before I call on Ms. Davis?
I do.
02:50:52.617 --> 02:50:54.630
Okay.
I beg to differ
02:50:54.630 --> 02:50:55.570
in the sense that
02:50:55.570 --> 02:50:58.210
if you're looking at the legislative history
02:50:58.210 --> 02:51:00.180
of a motion like this,
02:51:00.180 --> 02:51:01.720
if it was in there
02:51:01.720 --> 02:51:03.640
and we struck it
02:51:03.640 --> 02:51:05.730
then that's a pretty good indication
02:51:05.730 --> 02:51:08.860
that we're not wanting them to consider it.
02:51:08.860 --> 02:51:10.430
Because by this vote,
02:51:10.430 --> 02:51:11.630
and by the affirmative action
02:51:11.630 --> 02:51:13.570
that we're about to take right here,
02:51:13.570 --> 02:51:16.490
we're striking that as something that
02:51:16.490 --> 02:51:19.670
that is no longer to consider
02:51:19.670 --> 02:51:22.290
based upon an affirmative representation of ours.
02:51:22.290 --> 02:51:25.680
So, I think striking it basically says
02:51:26.660 --> 02:51:27.860
that the will of this group
02:51:27.860 --> 02:51:30.170
is that they not consider that.
02:51:30.170 --> 02:51:32.260
Ms. Davis, do you wanna speak on this motion?
02:51:32.260 --> 02:51:33.123
Yes.
Or on this point.
02:51:33.123 --> 02:51:34.060
Yes.
Okay.
02:51:34.060 --> 02:51:37.290
I'm strongly in favor of striking that NGSS.
02:51:38.924 --> 02:51:43.780
I do strongly respect our testifiers who came.
02:51:43.780 --> 02:51:45.760
But we saw through data
02:51:45.760 --> 02:51:48.260
that states that utilize NGSS
02:51:48.260 --> 02:51:50.890
a lot of them are performing worse than Texas.
02:51:50.890 --> 02:51:52.100
And this is the framework.
02:51:52.100 --> 02:51:55.360
The NGSS is riddled with a lot of criticism.
02:51:55.360 --> 02:51:57.250
And so, even though they loved it
02:51:57.250 --> 02:51:58.540
it's still a lot of criticism
02:51:58.540 --> 02:52:00.390
that we didn't really discuss along with it.
02:52:00.390 --> 02:52:02.320
And so I do want you to keep that in mind.
02:52:02.320 --> 02:52:06.000
But we do have lots and lots and lots of educators
02:52:06.000 --> 02:52:07.900
who have reached out to several of us
02:52:07.900 --> 02:52:11.840
to support the K-12 framework over NGSS standards.
02:52:11.840 --> 02:52:13.400
Again it is aligned with some things
02:52:13.400 --> 02:52:15.800
that we normally don't agree with in Texas.
02:52:15.800 --> 02:52:17.660
So you just gotta keep in mind
02:52:17.660 --> 02:52:19.620
all of those different parts of NGSS
02:52:19.620 --> 02:52:22.040
that may not be best for Texas students.
02:52:23.220 --> 02:52:26.290
Okay, Ms. Perez-Diaz and then Ms. Cargill.
02:52:26.290 --> 02:52:27.287
You still have a?
02:52:31.241 --> 02:52:32.850
So I still agree with member Rowley.
02:52:32.850 --> 02:52:35.320
And I think that by striking NGSS
02:52:36.426 --> 02:52:38.690
I think we're taking away another potential resource
02:52:38.690 --> 02:52:39.523
for reference.
02:52:40.560 --> 02:52:43.600
Because, while I understand that
02:52:43.600 --> 02:52:45.900
if we remove the language it's not precluding,
02:52:47.040 --> 02:52:48.490
I think, one, we do send a message
02:52:48.490 --> 02:52:50.790
by striking something that we
02:52:50.790 --> 02:52:52.270
a few days ago had included
02:52:52.270 --> 02:52:53.860
that wasn't there prior.
02:52:53.860 --> 02:52:55.790
But I also think that if,
02:52:55.790 --> 02:52:56.650
some of our reviewers
02:52:56.650 --> 02:52:59.260
who aren't familiar with the NGSS
02:52:59.260 --> 02:53:02.590
as a potential reference or resource,
02:53:02.590 --> 02:53:04.990
won't know to look to it as a resource.
02:53:04.990 --> 02:53:06.330
So,
02:53:06.330 --> 02:53:10.860
so, yeah, I am curious about member Davis's points
02:53:10.860 --> 02:53:12.190
regarding the perspective
02:53:13.160 --> 02:53:16.220
that isn't in line with Texas's perspective.
02:53:18.010 --> 02:53:19.160
Ms. Cargill.
02:53:20.410 --> 02:53:21.243
Well I agree.
02:53:21.243 --> 02:53:22.560
I think that
02:53:22.560 --> 02:53:24.620
just having the framework as a resource
02:53:24.620 --> 02:53:25.660
is gonna be sufficient.
02:53:25.660 --> 02:53:28.310
It's a very long document or book
02:53:28.310 --> 02:53:30.600
if they decide to order the book itself.
02:53:30.600 --> 02:53:34.060
And the NGSS were based upon that framework.
02:53:34.060 --> 02:53:35.440
So the original resource,
02:53:35.440 --> 02:53:38.010
the primary document so to speak
02:53:38.010 --> 02:53:39.730
is the framework, not the NGSS.
02:53:39.730 --> 02:53:43.310
And you have to go through very lengthy, lengthy trainings,
02:53:43.310 --> 02:53:46.930
which is part of the complaint, to understand the NGSS
02:53:46.930 --> 02:53:49.252
because they're very complex and convoluted.
02:53:49.252 --> 02:53:51.120
And they're pages and pages.
02:53:51.120 --> 02:53:52.540
So I think that would be an extra burden.
02:53:52.540 --> 02:53:55.700
Although, if our work groups wanna do that,
02:53:55.700 --> 02:53:57.110
that's fine.
02:53:57.110 --> 02:53:59.830
But I think the framework is definitely sufficient.
02:53:59.830 --> 02:54:03.050
And not to mention other current research
02:54:03.050 --> 02:54:05.100
that we hope that they will also look at.
02:54:06.630 --> 02:54:08.370
Mr. Rowley.
02:54:08.370 --> 02:54:13.370
So long as staff is willing to instruct the work groups,
02:54:14.250 --> 02:54:15.083
that
02:54:17.310 --> 02:54:19.440
by passing this motion,
02:54:19.440 --> 02:54:23.070
we're not totally excluding that as a resource,
02:54:23.070 --> 02:54:24.610
then I'm fine with it.
02:54:24.610 --> 02:54:26.670
Okay.
But so long as the message
02:54:26.670 --> 02:54:28.740
that if the message that we're sending is,
02:54:28.740 --> 02:54:31.080
"Don't consider that," then
02:54:31.080 --> 02:54:32.710
and I don't know about
02:54:32.710 --> 02:54:33.691
the Next Generation Science Standards.
02:54:33.691 --> 02:54:36.260
I don't think they'll know.
I might offer
02:54:36.260 --> 02:54:37.400
a suggestion here.
02:54:38.520 --> 02:54:40.010
Well first, a clarification.
02:54:40.010 --> 02:54:43.740
So staff does pull together any number of resources.
02:54:43.740 --> 02:54:45.940
We don't limit the resources that we provide
02:54:45.940 --> 02:54:48.740
just to the things that you specifically call out.
02:54:48.740 --> 02:54:51.860
However, there are instances
02:54:51.860 --> 02:54:53.700
and I'll take us back to health education,
02:54:53.700 --> 02:54:55.060
there were a couple of resources
02:54:55.060 --> 02:54:58.690
that you asked us to make sure that we provided.
02:54:58.690 --> 02:55:02.410
So another approach that you could take here
02:55:02.410 --> 02:55:05.920
is as opposed to this being a motion to
02:55:05.920 --> 02:55:08.120
direct consideration by the work groups,
02:55:08.120 --> 02:55:10.260
you could instruct staff to specifically
02:55:10.260 --> 02:55:12.370
provide the framework.
02:55:12.370 --> 02:55:15.910
So we would make sure to provide that.
02:55:15.910 --> 02:55:18.210
Work groups are still able to consider
02:55:18.210 --> 02:55:19.910
anything that they want to consider
02:55:19.910 --> 02:55:22.330
but maybe if you just change it to,
02:55:22.330 --> 02:55:26.370
direct staff to provide the framework as a resource
02:55:26.370 --> 02:55:29.610
then you're not really speaking to what
02:55:29.610 --> 02:55:32.910
the work groups should or should not consider.
02:55:32.910 --> 02:55:34.440
And then they can,
02:55:34.440 --> 02:55:36.900
and as is often the case,
02:55:36.900 --> 02:55:39.310
they will often bring their own resources
02:55:39.310 --> 02:55:40.820
and information to the table.
02:55:45.930 --> 02:55:48.858
Ms. Perez-Diaz is partially raising her hand.
02:55:48.858 --> 02:55:49.980
Yes.
02:55:49.980 --> 02:55:51.070
Yes, sir, thank you.
02:55:51.070 --> 02:55:53.480
I am still really curious about
02:55:53.480 --> 02:55:55.930
before I take a position then on this,
02:55:55.930 --> 02:55:57.390
I'm really curious about
02:55:57.390 --> 02:56:00.270
what those particular pieces that NGSS aligns to
02:56:00.270 --> 02:56:01.730
that aren't aligned with Texas.
02:56:01.730 --> 02:56:03.090
I don't know if anybody can speak to that.
02:56:03.090 --> 02:56:04.740
But I am very curious about that.
02:56:06.360 --> 02:56:08.566
Anyone would like to speak to it?
02:56:08.566 --> 02:56:12.420
Ms. Davis raised it.
02:56:12.420 --> 02:56:14.230
Ms. Davis.
02:56:14.230 --> 02:56:17.030
So Texas does not adopt common core standards.
02:56:17.030 --> 02:56:20.390
But they come from the same folks, Achieve Org.
02:56:20.390 --> 02:56:22.150
And so if you look, they're directly aligned
02:56:22.150 --> 02:56:24.200
in their ideas, the math, the English,
02:56:24.200 --> 02:56:26.100
it's aligned to common core standards.
02:56:32.890 --> 02:56:36.630
It's aligned to the math and the English
02:56:36.630 --> 02:56:38.850
that goes with the common core standards.
02:56:40.240 --> 02:56:42.230
Because they're from the same folks.
02:56:47.403 --> 02:56:49.920
All right, any, Ms. Bahorich.
02:56:49.920 --> 02:56:50.940
The only thing I would say
02:56:50.940 --> 02:56:53.990
and just looking at what is in the framework,
02:56:53.990 --> 02:56:57.030
I think, from our long discussion the other day
02:56:58.110 --> 02:56:58.943
is that,
02:57:00.770 --> 02:57:04.590
the framework contains the,
02:57:04.590 --> 02:57:05.990
okay, let me get back to it.
02:57:07.670 --> 02:57:09.050
Oh darn, I lost it,
02:57:09.050 --> 02:57:10.250
sorry, come back to me.
02:57:12.670 --> 02:57:14.170
This is pretty important, but,
02:57:15.520 --> 02:57:18.660
Someone wanna fill some time up on Ms. Bahorich's?
02:57:18.660 --> 02:57:19.595
Yes, somebody fill time.
02:57:19.595 --> 02:57:23.595
(members speaking indistinctly)
02:57:27.375 --> 02:57:29.220
No jokes.
02:57:29.220 --> 02:57:30.240
Okay--
Well I would say that
02:57:30.240 --> 02:57:32.540
part of this is because
02:57:32.540 --> 02:57:34.210
when we received our document,
02:57:34.210 --> 02:57:37.060
our four-page document from our content advisors,
02:57:38.190 --> 02:57:39.860
I think what happened was
02:57:39.860 --> 02:57:42.080
there wasn't a great deal of information
02:57:42.080 --> 02:57:45.430
on NGSS in that document.
02:57:45.430 --> 02:57:49.630
Then we had four or five individuals
02:57:49.630 --> 02:57:52.310
not representing any organizations
02:57:52.310 --> 02:57:53.220
which is what we were,
02:57:53.220 --> 02:57:55.270
what we clearly pointed out
02:57:55.270 --> 02:57:57.360
they were speaking as individuals.
02:57:57.360 --> 02:57:59.090
Then this motion was made
02:57:59.090 --> 02:58:01.800
in, I think, perhaps reaction
02:58:01.800 --> 02:58:05.240
to four or five people testifying
02:58:05.240 --> 02:58:08.840
who were not speaking for science organizations
02:58:08.840 --> 02:58:12.530
and were not part of our content advisory team.
02:58:12.530 --> 02:58:14.170
And so I think that this
02:58:14.170 --> 02:58:18.330
not only is in a bit of a contradiction
02:58:18.330 --> 02:58:21.160
to what our content advisors sent us.
02:58:21.160 --> 02:58:23.440
But also, we made this motion
02:58:23.440 --> 02:58:25.920
without going back to our content advisors,
02:58:25.920 --> 02:58:28.550
without talking to our State
02:58:29.830 --> 02:58:31.850
science teacher organizations.
02:58:31.850 --> 02:58:33.300
So again, this doesn't tell them
02:58:33.300 --> 02:58:34.720
they cannot look at this book,
02:58:34.720 --> 02:58:36.760
we're not prohibiting that.
02:58:36.760 --> 02:58:39.250
We are just taking that out and saying,
02:58:39.250 --> 02:58:41.080
please focus on this.
02:58:41.080 --> 02:58:42.920
But staff is gonna bring in
02:58:42.920 --> 02:58:47.190
all the resources that they request, regardless.
02:58:47.190 --> 02:58:48.490
And for clarification I do believe
02:58:48.490 --> 02:58:51.270
that the Metroplex Group had passed a resolution
02:58:51.270 --> 02:58:52.103
but the other ones hadn't.
02:58:52.103 --> 02:58:52.936
That was my.
02:58:54.868 --> 02:58:56.050
Do you have anything?
02:58:56.050 --> 02:58:57.190
Ms. Bahorich.
02:58:57.190 --> 02:58:59.050
Sorry guys, I lost my place here.
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So the framework it says is,
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a compilation and it's 300 pages,
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of practices, cross-cutting concepts and core ideas.
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And I think the result of the conversation
02:59:09.710 --> 02:59:11.150
that we had around the circle
02:59:11.150 --> 02:59:13.020
was we're interested in what they believe
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are the core ideas in Next Generation Science Standards.
02:59:17.360 --> 02:59:19.400
But not necessarily in adopting them
02:59:19.400 --> 02:59:21.920
because our standards, particularly in high school,
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are much more content-rich
02:59:24.180 --> 02:59:26.410
as our testifiers testified to.
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And so, we're not trying to throw, again,
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the baby out with the bath water
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because we've got strong content standards
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particularly in high school,
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that are different from the actual NGSS standards.
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But the framework is very informative
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and that's where you're gonna get 99.9% of your value
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that would be to the work group.
02:59:46.240 --> 02:59:48.580
And that would be to understand the practices
02:59:48.580 --> 02:59:50.720
and that was, remember that engineering
02:59:50.720 --> 02:59:53.510
and then the practical to-do?
02:59:53.510 --> 02:59:54.710
Those are the practices.
02:59:55.630 --> 02:59:56.890
The cross-cutting concepts
02:59:56.890 --> 02:59:58.550
you know multi-disciplinary concepts
02:59:58.550 --> 02:59:59.700
and then the core ideas
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that they consider fundamental
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for all scientifically-literate citizens to have.
03:00:06.970 --> 03:00:08.420
You're gonna get that in the framework.
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So it's not paring it down to no resource,
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it's paring it down to the essential information
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that our work groups could benefit most from.
03:00:17.180 --> 03:00:18.900
And when you put those both in there,
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these are gigantic documents.
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Ms. Davis.
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I do wanna know, on the Moss position statement
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they do not mention anything about NGSS
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in their own statement.
03:00:30.470 --> 03:00:32.690
We had somebody who testified from them.
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But on the position statement
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we received from the organization
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they do not say anything about NGSS.
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All right, any other discussion on this amendment?
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All right, Ms. Hardy.
I will say that--
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Microphone please.
03:00:50.400 --> 03:00:52.360
Someone in our audience who explained to me
03:00:52.360 --> 03:00:57.070
that she sent us a copy of this framework online
03:00:57.070 --> 03:00:58.880
and all of us got it on our computer.
03:00:58.880 --> 03:00:59.713
So, if--
03:00:59.713 --> 03:01:01.040
All of us?
Yeah.
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It's from Lisa Owens at the Region 13.
03:01:07.270 --> 03:01:09.870
All right, any other discussion on this amendment.
03:01:11.390 --> 03:01:12.223
Hearing none.
03:01:14.000 --> 03:01:17.360
All those in favor of the amendment as presented
03:01:17.360 --> 03:01:19.585
please vote by saying, "Aye."
03:01:19.585 --> 03:01:22.010
Aye.
All those opposed say, "No."
03:01:22.010 --> 03:01:22.843
No.
03:01:25.020 --> 03:01:27.620
There's a majority so the motion passes.
03:01:27.620 --> 03:01:29.260
And the amendment passes.
03:01:31.483 --> 03:01:35.500
And that brings us back to the main motion,
03:01:35.500 --> 03:01:36.809
correct?
Mm-hmm.
03:01:36.809 --> 03:01:38.910
As it is written on the screen.
03:01:38.910 --> 03:01:40.980
Yes sir.
And we'll call on
03:01:40.980 --> 03:01:41.813
Ms. Bahorich.
03:01:43.030 --> 03:01:45.330
I just wanna put the proper name in the amendment
03:01:45.330 --> 03:01:46.163
if we could.
03:01:46.163 --> 03:01:50.260
It's called A Framework for K-12 Science Education.
03:01:50.260 --> 03:01:52.620
So instead of just saying K-12 Framework,
03:01:52.620 --> 03:01:56.540
it would be A Framework for K-12 Science Education
03:01:56.540 --> 03:01:57.540
to be very specific.
03:02:06.450 --> 03:02:08.291
But I also would like to,
03:02:08.291 --> 03:02:10.800
and Monica, help me with the language,
03:02:10.800 --> 03:02:13.760
to say staff would give it to them.
03:02:13.760 --> 03:02:15.590
Like not just consider it.
03:02:15.590 --> 03:02:16.423
They would consider it
03:02:16.423 --> 03:02:17.370
but the staff would give it to them.
03:02:17.370 --> 03:02:19.240
So I'd like to fix that part.
03:02:19.240 --> 03:02:20.634
So,
03:02:20.634 --> 03:02:22.630
that the State Board of Education
03:02:22.630 --> 03:02:25.540
direct staff to provide
03:02:25.540 --> 03:02:28.660
A Framework for K-12 Science Education.
03:02:28.660 --> 03:02:30.010
As a resource.
Mm-hmm.
03:02:31.790 --> 03:02:32.950
Correct?
Yes, ma'am.
03:02:32.950 --> 03:02:34.010
Okay.
03:02:34.010 --> 03:02:35.260
Did you get that Kay?
03:02:35.260 --> 03:02:37.415
'Cause that would be my full motion.
03:02:37.415 --> 03:02:41.165
(member speaks indistinctly)
03:02:42.420 --> 03:02:45.510
I think the first amendment needs to be
03:02:45.510 --> 03:02:48.110
changing the name.
Right, and then we'll
03:02:48.110 --> 03:02:49.850
And then we can do--
add the staff.
03:02:49.850 --> 03:02:50.790
But can I do them together?
03:02:50.790 --> 03:02:51.700
'Cause I'd like to do both.
03:02:51.700 --> 03:02:53.240
I don't think they touch each other.
03:02:53.240 --> 03:02:55.910
The one is just germane to the name.
03:02:56.950 --> 03:02:57.850
Okay.
So let's get that
03:02:57.850 --> 03:02:59.240
out the way first.
Yeah,
03:02:59.240 --> 03:03:00.790
there should be no objection.
So is there any,
03:03:00.790 --> 03:03:02.070
is there a second?
Second.
03:03:02.920 --> 03:03:04.420
Is there any further debate?
03:03:05.450 --> 03:03:07.950
Hearing none, is there any objection?
03:03:07.950 --> 03:03:09.600
No.
Hearing none.
03:03:09.600 --> 03:03:11.370
The amendment passes now.
03:03:14.050 --> 03:03:18.610
So direct the staff to provide
03:03:18.610 --> 03:03:20.910
the science TEKS review work groups
03:03:22.140 --> 03:03:24.500
a Framework, blah, blah, blah
03:03:26.090 --> 03:03:28.390
as a resource to inform recommendations.
03:03:32.801 --> 03:03:33.634
The staff.
03:03:37.730 --> 03:03:40.210
To pro--
03:03:40.210 --> 03:03:41.300
vide
03:03:41.300 --> 03:03:42.133
the
03:03:43.800 --> 03:03:44.633
work groups
03:03:46.630 --> 03:03:47.463
and then strike,
03:03:49.027 --> 03:03:50.810
You actually don't need work groups.
03:03:50.810 --> 03:03:53.117
Oh, okay, sorry.
You've already got them.
03:03:53.117 --> 03:03:54.470
Oh yeah, provide the framework.
03:03:54.470 --> 03:03:56.080
Just, yeah, delete everything down
03:03:56.080 --> 03:03:57.180
to the framework name.
03:04:13.120 --> 03:04:14.890
Review work groups,
03:04:14.890 --> 03:04:16.320
with a, yeah, yeah.
03:04:17.815 --> 03:04:18.648
With.
03:04:24.887 --> 03:04:26.090
You could just say as a resource
03:04:26.090 --> 03:04:27.600
you don't even need, to be used as a resource.
03:04:27.600 --> 03:04:28.550
Just as a resource.
03:04:35.140 --> 03:04:36.540
Is that?
Yeah.
03:04:36.540 --> 03:04:37.480
Okay.
03:04:37.480 --> 03:04:38.660
So we have the motion.
03:04:38.660 --> 03:04:39.840
Do we have a second?
03:04:41.195 --> 03:04:42.028
The motion is seconded.
03:04:42.028 --> 03:04:44.430
Is there discussion on this motion?
03:04:46.150 --> 03:04:47.700
Hearing none, is there any objection to
03:04:47.700 --> 03:04:48.960
the motion as presented?
03:04:50.540 --> 03:04:53.360
Hearing none, the amendment prevails.
03:04:53.360 --> 03:04:55.060
Now we're back to the main motion.
03:04:56.400 --> 03:04:58.950
Is there any further discussion on the main motion?
03:05:01.150 --> 03:05:04.635
Hearing none, all in favor please vote by saying, "Aye."
03:05:04.635 --> 03:05:06.490
Aye.
Any opposed say, "No."
03:05:07.707 --> 03:05:08.540
All right, the motion,
03:05:08.540 --> 03:05:10.130
there's a majority in favor
03:05:10.130 --> 03:05:13.071
and the recommendation is adopted.
03:05:13.071 --> 03:05:16.460
Okay, so now are we back to item six
03:05:17.410 --> 03:05:19.390
on the Committee of the Full Board?
03:05:19.390 --> 03:05:20.550
This is on page three.
03:05:20.550 --> 03:05:23.030
No, I think we're gonna--
From January 28th.
03:05:23.030 --> 03:05:24.480
Is that the African American Studies?
03:05:24.480 --> 03:05:26.390
Yep.
We're gonna go to
03:05:26.390 --> 03:05:28.070
finish CSI before we go back to,
03:05:28.070 --> 03:05:29.810
Okay.
African American studies.
03:05:30.790 --> 03:05:32.698
If I can have just a second
03:05:32.698 --> 03:05:37.698
so that I can get to this.
03:05:45.440 --> 03:05:47.630
Dr. Robinson had something.
03:05:47.630 --> 03:05:49.660
While she's doing that, Dr. Robinson.
03:05:49.660 --> 03:05:51.260
I'd like to withdraw my motion
03:05:52.140 --> 03:05:54.200
regarding the date, January 1st, 2021.
03:05:54.200 --> 03:05:57.370
Okay, we're letting--
It died for lack of a second
03:05:57.370 --> 03:05:59.850
so it's okay.
03:05:59.850 --> 03:06:01.740
I think actually Gina seconded.
03:06:01.740 --> 03:06:02.840
Oh, she did second.
03:06:04.176 --> 03:06:05.760
But as soon as we let Ms. Kay catch up
03:06:05.760 --> 03:06:07.320
we will,
Yeah, I'm just trying to
03:06:07.320 --> 03:06:09.710
we'll acknowledge
make sure I've got
03:06:09.710 --> 03:06:11.280
Dr. Robinson's withdrawal.
everything.
03:06:13.836 --> 03:06:15.943
We're taking deep breaths.
All right.
03:06:30.041 --> 03:06:31.420
Okay.
Okay.
03:06:31.420 --> 03:06:34.490
So Dr. Robinson has withdrawn his amendment.
03:06:36.200 --> 03:06:37.350
Is there any objection?
03:06:38.400 --> 03:06:39.840
Hearing none.
03:06:39.840 --> 03:06:41.690
I will now call on Ms. Cargill.
03:06:41.690 --> 03:06:42.523
Okay, so,
03:06:43.690 --> 03:06:46.650
I believe everyone has a copy of the substitute text.
03:06:46.650 --> 03:06:49.100
It was either in your box or on your desk.
03:06:49.100 --> 03:06:49.933
And so,
03:06:52.020 --> 03:06:57.020
I'll let staff explain the implications of the date changes.
03:06:57.170 --> 03:06:59.060
But basically on,
03:07:00.530 --> 03:07:02.540
at the end of section 61.1
03:07:02.540 --> 03:07:06.920
so I'm looking at substitute text, chapter 61,
03:07:06.920 --> 03:07:09.750
Board of Trustees Relationship, etc.
03:07:09.750 --> 03:07:10.920
So,
03:07:10.920 --> 03:07:13.240
the first section is section 61.1
03:07:13.240 --> 03:07:15.940
continuing education for school board members.
03:07:15.940 --> 03:07:18.770
And if you'll flip to about the one, two,
03:07:18.770 --> 03:07:20.190
the third,
03:07:20.190 --> 03:07:21.650
fourth page in,
03:07:21.650 --> 03:07:24.860
this would be a new section M as in monkey.
03:07:26.325 --> 03:07:28.320
On page four?
Well,
03:07:28.320 --> 03:07:30.340
it doesn't have page numbers.
03:07:30.340 --> 03:07:31.600
Mine doesn't have page numbers.
03:07:31.600 --> 03:07:33.560
But, it's about the fourth page.
03:07:33.560 --> 03:07:35.140
It's letter M?
Letter M,
03:07:35.140 --> 03:07:36.690
it's right above section 61.2.
03:07:38.356 --> 03:07:41.980
So find section 61.2 and it would fit right above that.
03:07:44.910 --> 03:07:46.690
61.2 is at the bottom of the,
03:07:49.600 --> 03:07:50.433
fourth page in.
03:07:51.450 --> 03:07:54.560
Fourth page from back?
No, don't count back, sorry.
03:07:54.560 --> 03:07:55.660
I'm not counting back.
03:07:57.563 --> 03:08:00.310
It's the last page, right, evident?
03:08:01.590 --> 03:08:02.690
Yeah.
Yes it is.
03:08:02.690 --> 03:08:04.130
It is, yes.
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All right, so new section M
03:08:05.750 --> 03:08:07.880
and the motion is up on the screen.
03:08:07.880 --> 03:08:09.810
Okay.
So I move
03:08:10.830 --> 03:08:12.290
to insert new M
03:08:12.290 --> 03:08:15.200
this section is implemented May 1st, 2020.
03:08:16.160 --> 03:08:20.280
Section 61.1 as it read prior to adoption
03:08:20.280 --> 03:08:21.610
by the State Board of Education
03:08:21.610 --> 03:08:24.320
at their January 2020 hearing
03:08:24.320 --> 03:08:27.420
controls continuing education for school board members
03:08:27.420 --> 03:08:29.380
until May 1st, 2020.
03:08:32.210 --> 03:08:33.100
If could get a second,
03:08:33.100 --> 03:08:34.020
we'll call staff up to.
You've heard the motion,
03:08:34.020 --> 03:08:34.853
do we have a second?
03:08:34.853 --> 03:08:35.910
Second.
All right,
03:08:35.910 --> 03:08:39.150
so staff will come and un-peel that onion for us
03:08:39.150 --> 03:08:41.070
and tell us the implications of it.
03:08:42.270 --> 03:08:43.350
Yeah, so,
03:08:44.330 --> 03:08:46.680
what you're hearing here is,
03:08:46.680 --> 03:08:49.130
you're directing that the
03:08:50.020 --> 03:08:53.130
changes are effective on
03:08:53.130 --> 03:08:54.600
20 days after filing.
03:08:54.600 --> 03:08:58.960
But, we won't implement those sections until
03:08:58.960 --> 03:09:01.940
May 1st, 2020.
03:09:01.940 --> 03:09:03.130
So,
03:09:03.130 --> 03:09:05.640
just as an FYI for you
03:09:05.640 --> 03:09:09.690
because of the way the Secretary of State's office works
03:09:11.050 --> 03:09:12.840
once it's effective you won't actually
03:09:12.840 --> 03:09:14.690
be able to see the prior language.
03:09:14.690 --> 03:09:17.300
So we will PDF a copy of that
03:09:17.300 --> 03:09:20.920
and have that available on our webpage for board training
03:09:20.920 --> 03:09:22.600
so people can access that.
03:09:24.904 --> 03:09:29.321
(board member speaking indistinctly)
03:09:30.820 --> 03:09:35.730
Yeah, the reason for the May 1st implementation.
03:09:35.730 --> 03:09:37.860
You have to apologize and correct me
03:09:37.860 --> 03:09:39.270
'cause I keep getting confused,
03:09:39.270 --> 03:09:40.560
effective and implementation,
03:09:40.560 --> 03:09:45.300
but the May 1st implementation is that
03:09:45.300 --> 03:09:48.830
with the board members for the May election,
03:09:48.830 --> 03:09:50.200
for the May school board elections
03:09:50.200 --> 03:09:52.150
schools that have May elections
03:09:53.010 --> 03:09:55.850
the board member trainings are made public
03:09:55.850 --> 03:09:57.890
in their April board meetings.
03:09:57.890 --> 03:09:59.180
So this way it doesn't put
03:09:59.180 --> 03:10:00.660
board members at a disadvantage
03:10:00.660 --> 03:10:03.990
they still go by the old rule for board training.
03:10:03.990 --> 03:10:06.100
And then effective May 1st
03:10:06.100 --> 03:10:08.030
the new training will go in play
03:10:08.030 --> 03:10:11.890
for all further elections moving forward.
03:10:11.890 --> 03:10:13.200
Does that
Okay.
03:10:13.200 --> 03:10:14.530
And Dr. Gore,
make sense?
03:10:14.530 --> 03:10:17.480
Would you mind coming to the podium as well
03:10:18.410 --> 03:10:19.243
and,
03:10:20.334 --> 03:10:23.120
it's my understanding that TASB is okay with this
03:10:23.120 --> 03:10:25.940
this measure as well?
Yes, sir.
03:10:25.940 --> 03:10:27.240
This is a great idea
03:10:27.240 --> 03:10:30.150
and it'll make it cleaner and simpler
03:10:30.150 --> 03:10:32.290
for trustees to be in compliance.
03:10:32.290 --> 03:10:33.960
Thank you for that.
Okay, very good.
03:10:33.960 --> 03:10:35.240
Okay, thank you gentlemen.
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Any further discussion on the proposed amendment
03:10:38.510 --> 03:10:40.950
adding subsection?
Yeah,
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Ms. Bahorich.
This is just
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a point of information.
03:10:44.290 --> 03:10:47.290
Now we changed, your amendment was which one
03:10:48.210 --> 03:10:51.720
which one did we change in this section?
03:10:51.720 --> 03:10:52.553
Didn't we change one?
03:10:52.553 --> 03:10:56.912
It was 61.1,
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61.1 B four F.
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Now I'm gonna get to make sure.
03:11:04.459 --> 03:11:05.880
61.1 B?
03:11:06.780 --> 03:11:08.250
B as in boy.
Four F.
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Four F.
03:11:11.430 --> 03:11:13.220
Four F and,
There it is right there.
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Yeah it's,
Okay.
03:11:15.570 --> 03:11:16.980
Okay.
It starts,
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the team-building session shall be provided
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by an authorized provider.
03:11:21.730 --> 03:11:23.530
See that?
Okay, got it.
03:11:23.530 --> 03:11:24.890
Okay.
Okay.
03:11:24.890 --> 03:11:25.740
I just--
Okay.
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Anything further on this amendment
03:11:28.460 --> 03:11:31.980
with regard to the implementation date?
03:11:31.980 --> 03:11:34.740
By the way, we've not yet determined the effective date
03:11:34.740 --> 03:11:38.180
until we take the two-thirds vote suspending the rules.
03:11:38.180 --> 03:11:42.280
But for now, let's look at the implementation date.
03:11:42.280 --> 03:11:43.270
Everybody good?
03:11:43.270 --> 03:11:44.770
Any further discussion?
03:11:45.790 --> 03:11:47.480
All those in favor signify by saying, "Aye."
03:11:47.480 --> 03:11:50.210
Aye.
Opposed, "No."
03:11:50.210 --> 03:11:51.301
Motion carries.
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(gavel bangs)
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Okay.
03:11:53.552 --> 03:11:54.385
Okay.
03:11:55.580 --> 03:11:57.100
I do kinda like it.
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Authoritative, finally.
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A little bit of authority in here.
03:12:00.000 --> 03:12:01.660
Okay.
03:12:01.660 --> 03:12:04.680
And so now we're at the main motion.
03:12:05.770 --> 03:12:06.603
Right?
03:12:08.730 --> 03:12:09.580
As amended,
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on the screen, there you go.
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Okay, it's recommended that
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the State Board of Education
03:12:17.210 --> 03:12:19.320
approve for second reading and final adoption
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proposed amendments to 19 TAC Chapter 61,
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School Districts, Subchapter A,
03:12:25.020 --> 03:12:26.820
Board of Trustees Relationship
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as substituted
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as amended.
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And further that we make an affirmative finding that
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immediate adoption of the proposed amendments to
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19 TAC Chapter 61, School Districts,
03:12:40.660 --> 03:12:43.380
Subchapter A, Board of Trustee Relationship
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is necessary and shall have an effective date
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of 20 days after filing
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as adopted with the Texas Register.
03:12:49.630 --> 03:12:51.080
This requires a two-thirds vote.
03:12:51.080 --> 03:12:52.600
Is there any further discussion
03:12:52.600 --> 03:12:54.280
on the motion as amended?
03:12:56.060 --> 03:12:58.310
Hearing none, all those in favor signify
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by raising your right hand please.
03:13:04.310 --> 03:13:05.440
Okay, all opposed.
03:13:06.410 --> 03:13:07.770
Okay, motion carries.
03:13:07.770 --> 03:13:08.603
(gavel bangs)
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I shall now relinquish,
03:13:09.830 --> 03:13:12.392
reluctantly relinquish the gavel back to.
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(members laughing)
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What is it, give him a gavel he takes a
03:13:21.850 --> 03:13:24.170
something or other, takes a sledge hammer?
03:13:26.600 --> 03:13:28.860
All right, so I believe now
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we're left to one last item
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that is proposed revisions to 19 TAC, Chapter 113.
03:13:35.930 --> 03:13:38.160
This is part of the Committee of the Full Board.
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On my notes it's number five here.
03:13:40.150 --> 03:13:41.300
Is that?
Yeah, it's,
03:13:42.680 --> 03:13:44.820
it's official agenda item five,
03:13:44.820 --> 03:13:48.060
it's number six, I believe, in the minutes.
03:13:48.060 --> 03:13:49.790
It's on page three.
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And I read that, I guess, at this point, right?
03:13:54.940 --> 03:13:56.380
And then with amendments.
Yep.
03:13:56.380 --> 03:13:58.820
Okay, it's recommended that the State Board of Education
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approve for first reading and filing authorization
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proposed revisions to 19 TAC, Chapter 113,
03:14:05.580 --> 03:14:08.060
Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Social Studies,
03:14:08.060 --> 03:14:10.100
Subchapter C, High School,
03:14:10.100 --> 03:14:13.210
and Subchapter D, Other Social Studies Courses,
03:14:13.210 --> 03:14:14.043
as amended.
03:14:15.830 --> 03:14:16.730
Chairman.
03:14:18.280 --> 03:14:21.000
Yes.
So in addition to,
03:14:21.000 --> 03:14:22.580
you're getting two handouts right now.
03:14:22.580 --> 03:14:24.720
One is, I believe, a set of amendments
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the other is the rule text
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that reflects all of the amendments
03:14:30.130 --> 03:14:32.820
from the committee earlier this week.
03:14:32.820 --> 03:14:35.090
So we've used the standard format of
03:14:35.090 --> 03:14:37.630
anything that was stricken is in red,
03:14:37.630 --> 03:14:39.890
anything that was added is in green.
03:14:39.890 --> 03:14:42.690
And then we do have one item that's in purple
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and that was a request from staff
03:14:44.640 --> 03:14:47.400
to move some language to reorganize.
03:14:54.400 --> 03:14:55.825
All right, so we have our motion,
03:14:55.825 --> 03:14:57.457
did we get a second?
03:14:57.457 --> 03:14:58.673
Second.
Second.
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All right, is there discussion?
03:15:04.552 --> 03:15:06.521
Georgina do you have anything?
03:15:06.521 --> 03:15:07.601
Yes.
03:15:07.601 --> 03:15:09.609
But this is not my document.
03:15:09.609 --> 03:15:11.131
This is my document.
03:15:11.131 --> 03:15:13.276
Do you wanna start with this one?
03:15:13.276 --> 03:15:15.230
Thank you.
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So the entire document in front of you
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is the entirety of the course.
03:15:19.440 --> 03:15:21.170
The reason I included the entire document
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is so it's easier for you to follow along.
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I think that,
03:15:27.240 --> 03:15:28.550
as you're going through it
03:15:28.550 --> 03:15:32.140
I think we can make this as one blanket amendment
03:15:32.140 --> 03:15:33.260
because it's,
03:15:33.260 --> 03:15:36.550
there aren't content revisions
03:15:36.550 --> 03:15:40.040
these are just chronological order revisions.
03:15:40.040 --> 03:15:40.873
And,
03:15:42.240 --> 03:15:44.210
clarification for teaching and learning
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primarily the verbs for Bloom's Taxonomy
03:15:47.670 --> 03:15:49.280
and social studies.
03:15:49.280 --> 03:15:51.300
I'm okay, unless anybody wants
03:15:51.300 --> 03:15:53.380
to go through each one of these
03:15:53.380 --> 03:15:55.600
I would accept a blanket,
03:15:55.600 --> 03:15:57.480
and accept them all at once.
03:15:57.480 --> 03:15:59.350
Well let's just have a few minutes.
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Okay.
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Ms. Cargill.
I just have a question.
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So for example where it says,
03:16:02.660 --> 03:16:04.990
"Such as the Freedom Riders
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"and Memphis Sanitation Workers Strike,"
03:16:08.820 --> 03:16:11.260
that was already in there, you just moved it,
03:16:11.260 --> 03:16:12.260
that's on page nine.
03:16:13.730 --> 03:16:15.180
Like it's just reverse--
03:16:15.180 --> 03:16:17.000
I don't remember Memphis Sanitation.
03:16:17.000 --> 03:16:18.987
Well, maybe it was in there.
03:16:18.987 --> 03:16:23.987
But.
03:16:25.850 --> 03:16:30.010
These are such as's, and not included or required.
03:16:30.010 --> 03:16:31.190
Right, but,
03:16:32.360 --> 03:16:34.670
from what I heard you say, you just did
03:16:36.880 --> 03:16:39.410
clarification, but that looks like new content.
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But maybe it's not.
03:16:40.290 --> 03:16:42.250
Maybe it's--
I think that's what staff...
03:16:44.240 --> 03:16:46.660
This was part of the discussion that we had.
03:16:46.660 --> 03:16:49.350
It's not something that was not discussed
03:16:49.350 --> 03:16:50.250
and brought today.
03:16:51.890 --> 03:16:54.017
Okay.
Well, can,
03:16:54.017 --> 03:16:55.870
Go ahead.
Can I ask a question?
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Yeah, so that is,
03:16:59.180 --> 03:17:02.690
that sanitation, Memphis Sanitation Workers Strike
03:17:02.690 --> 03:17:05.860
wasn't in the text before,
03:17:05.860 --> 03:17:06.910
right?
Right.
03:17:06.910 --> 03:17:08.940
Okay, so could we go through
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and point out anywhere
03:17:11.420 --> 03:17:13.890
there are additions to the language
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even though it may be a such as?
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But other than,
03:17:19.920 --> 03:17:21.330
I see where you've changed, for example,
03:17:21.330 --> 03:17:25.300
into assess and discuss to describe and explain.
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And,
03:17:26.310 --> 03:17:27.670
that's fine with me.
03:17:28.730 --> 03:17:32.010
But if we're adding, even as a such as,
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a substantive content,
03:17:35.230 --> 03:17:37.650
if you'd just point that out, I'd appreciate it.
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Actually, while you're looking at that
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there were some staff recommendations
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that were included in Ms. Perez's document
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that I would think would be good
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for Ms. Martinez to go over now
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so that those are clear that those are staff.
03:17:52.110 --> 03:17:54.270
And then anything left would be,
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so that way we're not overlapping.
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Okay.
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Yes, sir.
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So the first one is that very on page one A,
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we realized yesterday
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that we had not included
03:18:06.770 --> 03:18:08.870
the language on general requirements.
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This is something that is standard
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for all of your high school courses.
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And so, essentially, we're just suggesting
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that you add the language that would
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mirror what we have in the
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Mexican American studies course.
03:18:22.950 --> 03:18:26.000
The second suggested adjustment
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is going to be on page three
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of Ms. Perez's document.
03:18:32.390 --> 03:18:36.840
And it has to do with two A and two B.
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That language was
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we felt like a little bit confusing
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and so the suggestion was to actually create
03:18:44.010 --> 03:18:47.410
two student expectations out of that content
03:18:47.410 --> 03:18:48.930
that was in A.
03:18:48.930 --> 03:18:51.580
And so that new B that you see there
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was some language that we suggested for clarification.
03:18:57.550 --> 03:18:58.870
Then on page
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five.
03:19:03.930 --> 03:19:05.630
Four C.
03:19:07.060 --> 03:19:10.780
We were recommending some adjustments there
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because it was a little bit confusing, we thought,
03:19:16.490 --> 03:19:20.740
to talk about opportunities that result from challenges.
03:19:20.740 --> 03:19:23.800
And so our suggestion is that you instead
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say that they compare opportunities and challenges.
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And then
03:19:30.340 --> 03:19:34.040
on four H,
03:19:34.040 --> 03:19:36.770
you had quite a bit of conversation about
03:19:36.770 --> 03:19:39.330
soldiers, including the Buffalo Soldiers
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and we knew that there was some desire
03:19:41.440 --> 03:19:44.150
to keep reference to the Buffalo Soldiers.
03:19:44.150 --> 03:19:46.920
But as written, that also seemed a little bit confusing.
03:19:46.920 --> 03:19:47.753
And so
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the suggestion was
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to go ahead and create a separate student expectation
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that is specific to the Buffalo Soldiers.
03:19:55.620 --> 03:19:57.170
So that in one student expectation
03:19:57.170 --> 03:19:59.710
you're addressing African American soldiers
03:19:59.710 --> 03:20:01.710
during and after World War I.
03:20:01.710 --> 03:20:04.610
And in the second, you're addressing the Buffalo Soldiers.
03:20:05.940 --> 03:20:09.150
And then the last one is 10 C
03:20:09.150 --> 03:20:12.390
which is on page nine.
03:20:14.060 --> 03:20:15.910
And again, just to try to
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streamline the language a little bit,
03:20:18.620 --> 03:20:20.560
we think that what you're talking about here
03:20:20.560 --> 03:20:25.060
is contributions of African Americans in leadership roles.
03:20:25.060 --> 03:20:29.190
The civic participation seemed a little bit confusing.
03:20:29.190 --> 03:20:33.210
And then we wanted to make sure that,
03:20:33.210 --> 03:20:35.670
and several of us, including Ms. Perez,
03:20:35.670 --> 03:20:38.780
caught that it should be the US Supreme Court
03:20:38.780 --> 03:20:41.520
and Supreme Court should be capitalized.
03:20:41.520 --> 03:20:42.720
So those were the adjustments
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that we had suggested after we went through
03:20:45.570 --> 03:20:47.770
and looked at the document
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with all of your amendments.
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So for clarification
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that's the staff recommendations.
03:21:00.360 --> 03:21:01.940
Anything else would be from Ms. Perez.
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So discussion on that, I'll start with Mr. Rowley
03:21:04.040 --> 03:21:04.873
and then Ms. Bahorich.
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I move we accept the staff changes as,
03:21:08.470 --> 03:21:09.303
as set out.
03:21:12.099 --> 03:21:13.363
Can we separate those?
This is
03:21:13.363 --> 03:21:17.204
a point of information.
Okay, point of information.
03:21:17.204 --> 03:21:18.037
Okay.
03:21:19.370 --> 03:21:22.210
The staff document, I think, said US Supreme Court.
03:21:22.210 --> 03:21:23.610
That's a fine tooth comb.
03:21:23.610 --> 03:21:24.820
But,
Right, well--
03:21:24.820 --> 03:21:25.910
But this one does not.
03:21:25.910 --> 03:21:27.150
I just want...
03:21:27.150 --> 03:21:28.970
We're gonna say US Supreme Court?
03:21:28.970 --> 03:21:30.160
Yes, we will add US Supreme Court
03:21:30.160 --> 03:21:31.060
Okay, all right.
03:21:32.550 --> 03:21:33.650
That's all, thank you.
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So I'm understanding the cleanest
03:21:40.330 --> 03:21:42.790
as these are all in Ms. Perez's documents.
03:21:42.790 --> 03:21:44.510
There seems to be no objection from there
03:21:44.510 --> 03:21:47.130
as long as Ms. Perez's document goes through
03:21:47.130 --> 03:21:48.670
then we adopt staff,
03:21:48.670 --> 03:21:51.340
'cause they weren't presented to us separately.
03:21:51.340 --> 03:21:54.110
Well I have some questions about Ms. Perez's
03:21:54.110 --> 03:21:54.943
Okay.
Additions.
03:21:54.943 --> 03:21:56.290
Okay.
It's just that one?
03:21:57.170 --> 03:21:58.840
Well,
No, we need to go through.
03:21:58.840 --> 03:22:02.290
It looks like on page 12 D,
03:22:05.050 --> 03:22:09.110
specific works by these authors are added.
03:22:10.230 --> 03:22:12.470
Yep.
That I didn't,
03:22:12.470 --> 03:22:15.740
that I don't think existed before that.
03:22:15.740 --> 03:22:18.280
I mean, it may be fine but I just,
03:22:18.280 --> 03:22:19.560
I don't know if there are other works
03:22:19.560 --> 03:22:20.690
by these particular authors,
03:22:20.690 --> 03:22:22.560
or if those are the ones that,
03:22:22.560 --> 03:22:23.660
the only ones that we want
Why did you cross
03:22:23.660 --> 03:22:25.790
this through?
to be included
03:22:25.790 --> 03:22:27.170
They're the same ones.
or what?
03:22:27.170 --> 03:22:28.717
This is,
03:22:28.717 --> 03:22:30.828
I can explain this, okay.
03:22:30.828 --> 03:22:33.980
What happened on the document that you first received
03:22:33.980 --> 03:22:35.480
was that they were in italics.
03:22:36.630 --> 03:22:39.910
And in rule text there are no italics.
03:22:41.210 --> 03:22:44.010
So it is the same content.
03:22:44.010 --> 03:22:45.670
And the italics were removed
03:22:45.670 --> 03:22:48.200
because that's not something we can do.
03:22:48.200 --> 03:22:51.351
And you're looking at letter D on page 12?
03:22:51.351 --> 03:22:53.170
It's the same books.
It's the same books.
03:22:53.170 --> 03:22:54.510
We just removed the italics
03:22:54.510 --> 03:22:56.260
because we couldn't get it into rule text.
03:22:56.260 --> 03:22:57.910
That's a--
When I saw the,
03:22:59.250 --> 03:23:01.090
when I saw the purple,
03:23:01.090 --> 03:23:03.150
I thought that was an addition.
03:23:03.150 --> 03:23:04.550
Right.
But it's not.
03:23:04.550 --> 03:23:06.320
I didn't wanna add a new color coding
03:23:06.320 --> 03:23:07.570
to remove italics.
Okay.
03:23:07.570 --> 03:23:09.100
So if you see this,
03:23:09.100 --> 03:23:10.860
like it says the souls of black folk
03:23:10.860 --> 03:23:13.430
and it's stricken and then it's repeated,
03:23:13.430 --> 03:23:15.450
native son is stricken and then repeated.
03:23:15.450 --> 03:23:16.970
Okay, I got you, okay.
03:23:16.970 --> 03:23:18.480
Good, all right.
03:23:19.620 --> 03:23:21.530
So then I guess the original question was:
03:23:21.530 --> 03:23:26.110
are there any other substantive added changes
03:23:26.110 --> 03:23:28.510
other than the Memphis Sanitation Workers?
03:23:29.580 --> 03:23:30.540
No, there are not.
03:23:32.280 --> 03:23:33.850
And the reason that,
03:23:33.850 --> 03:23:36.000
and this is the question that
03:23:36.000 --> 03:23:37.170
member Cargill brought up
03:23:37.170 --> 03:23:39.860
on page nine, correct?
03:23:39.860 --> 03:23:43.160
The such as are included only
03:23:44.260 --> 03:23:46.170
so that it's helpful
03:23:46.170 --> 03:23:48.830
to bring it into context.
03:23:48.830 --> 03:23:50.080
But they are such as.
03:23:53.240 --> 03:23:56.647
Right, I understand the significance, the such as.
03:23:56.647 --> 03:23:58.040
But it is new content.
03:23:59.210 --> 03:24:00.070
And so, who,
03:24:00.070 --> 03:24:01.000
what is the,
03:24:02.130 --> 03:24:05.260
were the Freedom Riders already in 10 A?
03:24:06.810 --> 03:24:07.960
Or is that new as well?
03:24:11.560 --> 03:24:13.020
10 A.
I think they're in
03:24:13.020 --> 03:24:14.150
our US History.
They're,
03:24:14.150 --> 03:24:16.700
well they are in the US History course, right.
03:24:16.700 --> 03:24:19.010
But they weren't in the rule,
03:24:19.010 --> 03:24:20.960
or they weren't in the course as originally proposed.
03:24:20.960 --> 03:24:21.793
Right?
03:24:24.600 --> 03:24:26.740
I'm asking.
I know, I'm thinking.
03:24:26.740 --> 03:24:28.165
Oh.
I'm trying to re--
03:24:28.165 --> 03:24:29.280
Well, I can look--
We had six revisions
03:24:29.280 --> 03:24:30.790
this morning.
I can look at 10 A,
03:24:30.790 --> 03:24:31.990
They're not.
right here.
03:24:31.990 --> 03:24:33.320
No they were not.
Page five,
03:24:33.320 --> 03:24:35.020
you'll see they, yeah.
03:24:35.020 --> 03:24:37.050
Page five of the rule text is
03:24:38.310 --> 03:24:40.690
the document that reflects
03:24:40.690 --> 03:24:43.930
where it was when you finished your vote
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earlier this week.
No, the original course
03:24:47.230 --> 03:24:50.540
as it was proposed, they were not in there.
03:24:53.130 --> 03:24:56.320
Well, after Wednesday's discussion,
03:24:56.320 --> 03:24:58.274
Right.
Were they in there then?
03:24:58.274 --> 03:25:00.050
No.
Okay, that's what I'm,
03:25:00.050 --> 03:25:02.080
that's all I'm trying to find out is
03:25:02.080 --> 03:25:03.720
what's been added is content.
03:25:03.720 --> 03:25:05.080
Whether it's such as or not.
03:25:05.080 --> 03:25:08.600
So Freedom Riders and the Memphis Sanitation Workers Strike
03:25:08.600 --> 03:25:11.870
is being proposed to be added there as a such as?
03:25:11.870 --> 03:25:12.703
Right.
03:25:17.420 --> 03:25:19.140
And forgive me for my lack of history
03:25:19.140 --> 03:25:20.380
I probably should take this course,
03:25:20.380 --> 03:25:23.660
but what is the Memphis Sanitation Workers Strike?
03:25:23.660 --> 03:25:26.050
That is when Martin Luther King visited
03:25:26.050 --> 03:25:27.650
just before he was assassinated.
03:25:28.764 --> 03:25:30.180
Oh, okay, that's where he was?
03:25:30.180 --> 03:25:32.240
That's where he was, the Lorraine Hotel.
03:25:33.790 --> 03:25:38.210
That would be an idea of fair wages.
03:25:38.210 --> 03:25:40.910
Yeah.
It was a strike for
03:25:40.910 --> 03:25:43.480
fair wages for the sanitation workers
03:25:43.480 --> 03:25:45.080
in Memphis, Tennessee.
03:25:45.080 --> 03:25:47.030
The famous signs, "I Am a Man",
03:25:47.030 --> 03:25:48.380
that's where that happened.
03:25:49.403 --> 03:25:52.420
All right, any other discussions
03:25:52.420 --> 03:25:56.270
on the packet of amendments from Ms. Perez?
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Ms. Cargill.
03:25:59.260 --> 03:26:03.580
There's a lot of purple on pages 13 and 14.
03:26:07.210 --> 03:26:08.980
Did you just reword what was the--
03:26:08.980 --> 03:26:10.590
Or can you explain that to me real quick?
03:26:10.590 --> 03:26:13.751
What page?
13 and 14.
03:26:13.751 --> 03:26:15.020
So
03:26:15.020 --> 03:26:16.040
this is
03:26:18.100 --> 03:26:21.550
to align to the post-streamlined TEKS
03:26:21.550 --> 03:26:23.910
and the original language was taken
03:26:23.910 --> 03:26:25.970
as the pre-streamlined TEKS.
03:26:30.780 --> 03:26:32.265
That's all that is.
03:26:32.265 --> 03:26:35.410
It's just to--
That was a mistake.
03:26:35.410 --> 03:26:37.110
What was a mistake?
That you,
03:26:38.330 --> 03:26:39.500
Microphone please.
03:26:41.640 --> 03:26:42.850
Oh, I see what you're saying.
03:26:42.850 --> 03:26:43.760
Okay.
Right.
03:26:43.760 --> 03:26:45.230
'Cause this wasn't part of the streamlining,
03:26:45.230 --> 03:26:47.020
so you just took the streamlined process skills
03:26:47.020 --> 03:26:48.870
and put them in here.
It's just a copy and paste
03:26:48.870 --> 03:26:51.770
from the US History course, post streamlining.
03:26:51.770 --> 03:26:53.580
Okay.
And what was in
03:26:53.580 --> 03:26:56.010
the original document was the pre-streamlining.
03:26:56.010 --> 03:26:58.240
This is just bringing us into consistency.
03:26:59.280 --> 03:27:02.940
I wanna thank Ms. Perez for all this hard work.
03:27:04.542 --> 03:27:05.730
And whoever else,
03:27:05.730 --> 03:27:07.040
I'm sure--
Well it was all of
03:27:07.040 --> 03:27:08.520
the Dallas ISDs.
Ms. Davis was in.
03:27:08.520 --> 03:27:10.380
Aicha and all of her team.
03:27:10.380 --> 03:27:11.840
It was not just me.
03:27:11.840 --> 03:27:13.120
I just happened to be the person
03:27:13.120 --> 03:27:14.720
who uses purple ink.
Thank you.
03:27:14.720 --> 03:27:15.720
Thank you Ms. Davis.
03:27:17.710 --> 03:27:19.500
Ms. Perez, you were secretary, is that what you're saying?
03:27:19.500 --> 03:27:21.790
Doing your duties as secretary in that?
03:27:23.480 --> 03:27:24.460
Smile.
03:27:24.460 --> 03:27:25.740
Mr. Rowley.
03:27:25.740 --> 03:27:30.110
And I too appreciate the work and the input.
03:27:31.250 --> 03:27:34.890
Since it is first reading, I'm okay with this.
03:27:35.780 --> 03:27:37.690
I would raise, I guess,
03:27:37.690 --> 03:27:40.690
a bit of a cautionary note in the sense that
03:27:42.070 --> 03:27:42.903
on Friday,
03:27:43.830 --> 03:27:47.260
after we've had a pretty full and robust discussion
03:27:47.260 --> 03:27:50.470
earlier in the week in the Committee of the Full Board,
03:27:50.470 --> 03:27:53.820
that presenting a document that has,
03:27:53.820 --> 03:27:56.010
this doesn't appear to be significant changes on it.
03:27:56.010 --> 03:27:57.690
But there are changes on this
03:27:57.690 --> 03:28:00.150
and I've read it for the first time today.
03:28:00.150 --> 03:28:01.830
I believe if Ms. Perez was in my shoes
03:28:01.830 --> 03:28:04.500
she would probably voice the same concern
03:28:04.500 --> 03:28:07.200
that I've not had an ample time to study
03:28:07.200 --> 03:28:09.020
what it is I'm adopting here.
03:28:09.020 --> 03:28:10.590
But since it is--
My apologies.
03:28:10.590 --> 03:28:12.110
That's all right, I appreciate that.
03:28:12.110 --> 03:28:13.750
But since it is first reading,
03:28:13.750 --> 03:28:14.630
then it's gonna go out,
Right.
03:28:14.630 --> 03:28:15.810
and it's gonna be discussed
03:28:15.810 --> 03:28:17.150
and we can look at it again.
03:28:17.150 --> 03:28:20.842
But we put operational rules,
03:28:20.842 --> 03:28:22.870
I know that's second reading, other rules
03:28:22.870 --> 03:28:24.980
just to make sure that on,
03:28:24.980 --> 03:28:28.220
we have an ample time to study the proposed changes.
03:28:28.220 --> 03:28:29.860
And so I'm just voicing that.
03:28:29.860 --> 03:28:31.390
But thank you for your work.
03:28:31.390 --> 03:28:33.960
Ms. Davis.
I also wanna really
03:28:33.960 --> 03:28:37.050
thank you and Mr. Bush for all that you've done
03:28:37.050 --> 03:28:38.650
to perfect this course.
03:28:38.650 --> 03:28:40.080
And I sincerely apologize
03:28:40.080 --> 03:28:42.940
because those were two really, really important events
03:28:42.940 --> 03:28:45.080
that should have been included from the first draft.
03:28:45.080 --> 03:28:47.300
So, thank you so much for catching that
03:28:47.300 --> 03:28:48.840
and making sure that kids get a chance
03:28:48.840 --> 03:28:50.740
to discuss those two items, thank you.
03:28:53.370 --> 03:28:54.520
Ms. Bahorich.
03:28:55.480 --> 03:28:58.760
So, just kind of looking at the verbs.
03:28:58.760 --> 03:29:00.480
I mean, we're also,
03:29:02.090 --> 03:29:05.130
like in three E as an example,
03:29:06.060 --> 03:29:07.910
we go from analyze the influence
03:29:07.910 --> 03:29:10.200
to describe the efforts.
03:29:10.200 --> 03:29:14.520
I mean, there's a difference in the way that this,
03:29:14.520 --> 03:29:16.300
it isn't just the verb,
03:29:16.300 --> 03:29:18.270
making it more deep or less deep.
03:29:18.270 --> 03:29:19.420
It's,
Right.
03:29:19.420 --> 03:29:22.090
It's a difference in the way that it's gonna be,
03:29:22.090 --> 03:29:23.280
and I,
03:29:23.280 --> 03:29:24.970
I wanna take this very seriously
03:29:24.970 --> 03:29:27.240
and I wanna really spend some time.
03:29:27.240 --> 03:29:30.420
So that, it's not that I disagree with this.
03:29:30.420 --> 03:29:31.460
I would like some more time,
03:29:31.460 --> 03:29:32.890
I guess is what I'm trying to say.
03:29:32.890 --> 03:29:37.070
And I would prefer that we,
03:29:38.660 --> 03:29:41.740
just stick to maybe
03:29:41.740 --> 03:29:43.690
the parts of this that truly were
03:29:43.690 --> 03:29:45.800
just a change in the verb.
03:29:45.800 --> 03:29:46.633
That's the--
So I will,
03:29:46.633 --> 03:29:48.960
I think Ms. Perez can respond.
03:29:48.960 --> 03:29:51.360
And then if, I think, your comment then
03:29:51.360 --> 03:29:53.800
if it's wanna be in the form of a motion
03:29:53.800 --> 03:29:56.620
then we can do that.
Yeah.
03:29:56.620 --> 03:29:58.950
Okay, so I guess--
Would you like Ms. Perez
03:29:58.950 --> 03:30:01.250
to respond to that?
Yeah, I would actually.
03:30:05.410 --> 03:30:06.320
Ms. Hardy.
03:30:08.060 --> 03:30:10.890
Since this is what Mr. Rowley talked about
03:30:10.890 --> 03:30:13.220
being first reading,
03:30:13.220 --> 03:30:15.300
that we would be able to
03:30:18.620 --> 03:30:21.860
feel comfortable enough to say yes today to this,
03:30:21.860 --> 03:30:25.270
and then look at it again in the duration
03:30:25.270 --> 03:30:27.520
and come back with any changes we want
03:30:27.520 --> 03:30:29.500
in the second reading.
03:30:29.500 --> 03:30:31.537
I think that argument applies,
03:30:31.537 --> 03:30:33.000
we're gonna have to put one out there.
03:30:33.000 --> 03:30:33.833
One or the other.
03:30:33.833 --> 03:30:35.220
I think we put our best effort out there
03:30:35.220 --> 03:30:37.040
and let people make comments on that
03:30:37.040 --> 03:30:38.180
and then move from there.
03:30:38.180 --> 03:30:39.630
But wouldn't that resolve the,
03:30:39.630 --> 03:30:40.463
Actually, hold on, go ahead.
03:30:40.463 --> 03:30:42.290
Any confusion like wouldn't it be better
03:30:42.290 --> 03:30:43.820
just to do that right now
03:30:43.820 --> 03:30:46.390
and say, first reading, and then come back with
03:30:47.560 --> 03:30:49.640
any changes we want in the second reading?
03:30:49.640 --> 03:30:51.370
Well, again, I think that,
03:30:51.370 --> 03:30:53.680
whichever way we end up with today
03:30:53.680 --> 03:30:55.030
is going out for discussion.
03:30:55.030 --> 03:30:57.350
It can be discussed in the public
03:30:57.350 --> 03:30:59.120
in between now and then.
03:30:59.120 --> 03:31:01.340
But when we come back at second reading
03:31:01.340 --> 03:31:03.270
then that's what we'll have to discuss.
03:31:03.270 --> 03:31:05.510
My point is, the best effort needs to be put out today
03:31:05.510 --> 03:31:07.120
for the members to discuss.
Well maybe I'm saying
03:31:07.120 --> 03:31:09.180
this is our, I think, is our best effort.
03:31:09.180 --> 03:31:10.130
Okay, Mr. Rowley.
03:31:12.718 --> 03:31:15.218
The only comment I would have about that is that
03:31:16.424 --> 03:31:20.860
that the changes that are made in this document
03:31:20.860 --> 03:31:25.600
will not be evident on the posting.
03:31:25.600 --> 03:31:26.433
Right.
That's true.
03:31:26.433 --> 03:31:28.570
So in other words, it's going to go out
03:31:28.570 --> 03:31:31.380
as the purple changes are made.
03:31:31.380 --> 03:31:33.290
It's not gonna go out, assess and discuss.
03:31:33.290 --> 03:31:35.350
It's gonna go out, describe and explain.
03:31:36.360 --> 03:31:40.590
That's the only point about Ms. Hardy's observation
03:31:40.590 --> 03:31:42.350
is that the original language
03:31:42.350 --> 03:31:45.480
will not be there for comment, only the new language.
03:31:45.480 --> 03:31:47.830
And so that doesn't necessarily alleviate
03:31:47.830 --> 03:31:50.990
Ms. Bahorich's question or concern about
03:31:50.990 --> 03:31:52.500
and mine to some extent, about how much time
03:31:52.500 --> 03:31:54.920
we've had to look at this.
Ms. Hardy.
03:31:54.920 --> 03:31:56.060
I understand.
03:31:56.060 --> 03:31:58.130
But I was just making the comment that
03:31:58.130 --> 03:32:00.380
in my humble opinion,
03:32:00.380 --> 03:32:03.390
it's been an improvement over what we had.
03:32:03.390 --> 03:32:05.520
And it reads much more smoothly.
03:32:05.520 --> 03:32:06.660
So,
03:32:06.660 --> 03:32:10.260
that's why I think it could be our best effort.
03:32:10.260 --> 03:32:12.840
Okay, Ms. Perez, did you have any comments?
03:32:12.840 --> 03:32:13.940
Okay, so,
03:32:13.940 --> 03:32:16.230
I think maybe everybody is saying
03:32:16.230 --> 03:32:18.660
along the same lines as what member Rowley
03:32:18.660 --> 03:32:20.430
was initially addressing?
03:32:20.430 --> 03:32:22.480
And so while I realize that it does appear
03:32:22.480 --> 03:32:25.580
that there are some substantive changes
03:32:25.580 --> 03:32:27.560
at the Friday meeting.
03:32:27.560 --> 03:32:29.550
The goal behind that is to make sure that
03:32:29.550 --> 03:32:31.800
when it's posted publicly,
03:32:31.800 --> 03:32:34.580
before we get to second reading,
03:32:34.580 --> 03:32:36.580
we are putting our best work forward
03:32:36.580 --> 03:32:38.170
at first reading.
03:32:38.170 --> 03:32:41.340
And so if it is the will of the board
03:32:41.340 --> 03:32:42.890
we'll go over one,
03:32:42.890 --> 03:32:45.540
each document or each revision one at a time
03:32:45.540 --> 03:32:47.040
and have that discussion.
03:32:47.950 --> 03:32:50.180
But my preference is that
03:32:51.020 --> 03:32:54.680
this document, or something very close to it
03:32:54.680 --> 03:32:57.690
goes out for public comment
03:32:57.690 --> 03:32:59.420
now before second reading.
03:32:59.420 --> 03:33:02.180
And that when we come back at second reading
03:33:02.180 --> 03:33:05.420
we don't anticipate substantive changes.
03:33:07.280 --> 03:33:10.850
And before anybody outside of this board
03:33:10.850 --> 03:33:13.230
looks at this and submits a public comment
03:33:13.230 --> 03:33:15.850
they realize how much time and effort from
03:33:17.250 --> 03:33:19.320
several districts went into this.
03:33:19.320 --> 03:33:22.500
And that it was taken very seriously, versus,
03:33:22.500 --> 03:33:25.050
none of these revisions and
03:33:26.150 --> 03:33:30.310
which has the potential to draw some criticism.
03:33:30.310 --> 03:33:32.900
And I'm trying to avoid specifically that.
03:33:39.970 --> 03:33:40.803
Have we already passed
03:33:40.803 --> 03:33:42.380
the staff recommendations or no?
03:33:43.520 --> 03:33:44.440
Yes, we did.
There are,
03:33:44.440 --> 03:33:46.360
as of now they're just one.
03:33:46.360 --> 03:33:47.720
As of now they're together.
Okay.
03:33:47.720 --> 03:33:50.590
So I think that's cleanest to keep them together
03:33:50.590 --> 03:33:54.500
unless this gets convoluted, we can pull those out.
03:33:55.790 --> 03:33:57.380
Okay--
But as of now
03:33:57.380 --> 03:33:58.850
they're together.
Okay.
03:33:58.850 --> 03:34:00.070
And just,
03:34:00.070 --> 03:34:01.200
when the staff
03:34:01.200 --> 03:34:03.830
I mean the staff recommendations are reflected in
03:34:03.830 --> 03:34:05.380
your document as well?
Yes, sir.
03:34:05.380 --> 03:34:06.213
Okay.
03:34:06.213 --> 03:34:07.810
So it's all.
If for some reason
03:34:07.810 --> 03:34:09.490
we didn't pass Ms. Perez's
03:34:09.490 --> 03:34:10.780
then I think we'd make sure we do that.
03:34:10.780 --> 03:34:12.908
But as of now, they're all together.
03:34:12.908 --> 03:34:14.090
And we're moving forward with that.
03:34:14.090 --> 03:34:15.110
Ms. Davis.
And just for
03:34:15.110 --> 03:34:16.670
a point of clarification,
03:34:17.570 --> 03:34:19.470
staff did look at this.
03:34:19.470 --> 03:34:23.070
And staff has agreed to this as well.
03:34:23.070 --> 03:34:24.640
So,
03:34:24.640 --> 03:34:25.473
if we.
03:34:29.066 --> 03:34:30.080
Okay, I'm gonna call--
03:34:30.080 --> 03:34:31.320
Are you finished,
03:34:31.320 --> 03:34:33.650
then I'm gonna call on Ms. Davis and Ms. Bahorich.
03:34:33.650 --> 03:34:35.340
I do wanna note also that
03:34:35.340 --> 03:34:38.280
our social studies coordinator from region 13
03:34:38.280 --> 03:34:41.280
also did help with the changes that you see
03:34:41.280 --> 03:34:42.870
in member Perez's document.
03:34:44.420 --> 03:34:46.650
Ms. Bahorich.
Okay.
03:34:46.650 --> 03:34:49.520
Microphone please.
Oh sorry.
03:34:49.520 --> 03:34:52.130
On page five, if you go to four E,
03:34:53.140 --> 03:34:54.920
what's on our document
03:34:54.920 --> 03:34:57.260
that we approved the other day says,
03:34:57.260 --> 03:34:59.350
"Analyze how the rise of Jim Crow laws,
03:34:59.350 --> 03:35:00.670
"affected the life experiences
03:35:00.670 --> 03:35:02.300
"African Americans in the late 19th
03:35:02.300 --> 03:35:04.010
"and early 20th centuries."
03:35:04.010 --> 03:35:08.750
Here it says, "Explain the rise of Jim Crow laws
03:35:08.750 --> 03:35:12.000
"on life experiences of African Americans
03:35:12.000 --> 03:35:14.880
"in the late," I mean, those are not the same.
03:35:16.750 --> 03:35:17.900
And so I'm just,
03:35:19.400 --> 03:35:20.233
I'm just nervous
03:35:20.233 --> 03:35:23.110
'cause I wanna be able to compare these two
03:35:23.110 --> 03:35:24.500
to see if I'm,
03:35:24.500 --> 03:35:28.450
'cause what we approve here is different
03:35:28.450 --> 03:35:30.740
and it's not marked as a change from there
03:35:30.740 --> 03:35:31.880
is all I'm explaining.
03:35:34.582 --> 03:35:36.240
What are you (audio drowned out by page turns)
03:35:36.240 --> 03:35:39.930
If you look at page three of staff's document
03:35:39.930 --> 03:35:42.530
three E, four E, sorry.
03:35:42.530 --> 03:35:43.570
Four E.
03:35:43.570 --> 03:35:46.810
"Analyze how the rise of Jim Crow laws."
03:35:46.810 --> 03:35:48.720
On your document it says,
03:35:48.720 --> 03:35:51.410
"Explain the rise of Jim Crow laws
03:35:53.570 --> 03:35:54.550
"on the life--
03:35:54.550 --> 03:35:55.760
You have one change there
03:35:55.760 --> 03:35:58.110
and that's just from affected to on and that's,
03:35:58.110 --> 03:35:59.610
but that's not how the original one
03:35:59.610 --> 03:36:01.360
that we passed the other day reads.
03:36:05.950 --> 03:36:09.150
If you compare it to staff's document.
03:36:09.150 --> 03:36:10.930
I think that's just my concern.
03:36:10.930 --> 03:36:13.310
I wanna make sure that what I'm looking at here
03:36:13.310 --> 03:36:15.910
is exactly what we passed here
03:36:15.910 --> 03:36:18.310
and then I have changes based on that.
03:36:18.310 --> 03:36:21.200
Because if we pass this as is,
03:36:21.200 --> 03:36:23.260
without analyzing the difference between
03:36:23.260 --> 03:36:24.900
what we did the other day
03:36:24.900 --> 03:36:26.970
and what we're proposing now,
03:36:26.970 --> 03:36:29.130
then I think we're gonna end up
03:36:29.130 --> 03:36:31.280
not being in the same place that we wanted to be.
03:36:31.280 --> 03:36:32.870
I guess that's all I'm trying to say.
03:36:32.870 --> 03:36:34.400
Mr. Rowley.
And,
03:36:34.400 --> 03:36:37.080
I would like to divide the question then
03:36:37.080 --> 03:36:40.490
with regard to the staff proposed changes
03:36:40.490 --> 03:36:43.410
as compared to the other changes.
03:36:45.224 --> 03:36:49.417
Okay.
03:36:49.417 --> 03:36:53.417
(members speaking indistinctly)
03:37:00.230 --> 03:37:02.080
Mr. Chairman, with your permission.
03:37:03.200 --> 03:37:06.370
I'm going to have a challenge presenting this
03:37:06.370 --> 03:37:09.560
because the document that I've got
03:37:09.560 --> 03:37:12.240
with the colors in it and everything
03:37:12.240 --> 03:37:16.510
is a PDF and my PDF software crashed
03:37:16.510 --> 03:37:18.980
just as the meeting started this morning.
03:37:18.980 --> 03:37:21.400
So I can't convert it to Word.
03:37:21.400 --> 03:37:23.600
Well, that's all right.
And that's okay.
03:37:23.600 --> 03:37:26.420
I do have the staff's document.
03:37:26.420 --> 03:37:29.040
And I can go in and make these changes
03:37:30.002 --> 03:37:31.302
so that you can view them.
03:37:32.430 --> 03:37:34.970
Oh, I withdraw my request.
No, I think
03:37:36.084 --> 03:37:38.630
it's a reasonable request.
03:37:38.630 --> 03:37:41.940
Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Maynard.
03:37:41.940 --> 03:37:45.090
Does the author of the amendments have the
03:37:45.090 --> 03:37:47.879
the Word version that can be?
She does not.
03:37:47.879 --> 03:37:48.936
She used a Macintosh
03:37:48.936 --> 03:37:51.908
she uses Pages and.
Oh.
03:37:51.908 --> 03:37:54.588
One of those Mac-people, okay.
03:37:54.588 --> 03:37:58.588
(members speaking indistinctly)
03:38:04.000 --> 03:38:06.620
How about a 10-minute break?
03:38:06.620 --> 03:38:07.453
I think I've kept you all,
03:38:07.453 --> 03:38:09.790
y'all haven't even mutinied on me yet.
03:38:09.790 --> 03:38:11.140
So y'all done quite well.
03:38:11.140 --> 03:38:13.020
So let's take a quick break
03:38:13.020 --> 03:38:15.179
and allow Ms. Kay to do a little work.
03:38:15.179 --> 03:38:16.390
And...