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If I could get everybody's attention,
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we've got a lot of excitement going on here,
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and a lot of things to do, and the first thing
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I'd like to do, though, is all of
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our elected representatives, I mean,
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we usually don't get as much,
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as many elected representatives here.
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We want to make sure and recognize all of you,
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to stand with the board, so I'd love
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all of the board members to come in the center
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of the circle if you would, both the new board members,
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the ones we're going to be swearing in
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as well as all the board members, just gather in the circle.
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And if all of our representatives,
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I know I saw Representative Allen and I'm not sure,
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and of course obviously, Senator Taylor is here.
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And I'm not sure who all else has come.
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Yes, Speaker Bonnen is here.
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His brother, Dr. Bonnen is a State Rep.
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Okay.
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And then there's a number of...
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Dr. Bonnen I think is here.
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And Thompson.
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I just would like all the elected representatives
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to stand in here with all of our members.
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And the commissioner.
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We're just going to take a quick picture.
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Members, this is quite an honor
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to have so many people come out today
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and celebrate with us, the coming in
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of three new members and coming back
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of four more members, we're very excited about this day.
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We've really been looking forward to it.
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Thanks for being here for us.
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And so now we're going to have the swearing in ceremony.
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We're going to, I'd like to welcome...
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Like to definitely welcome Senator Taylor
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and all of our representatives that are here.
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And I want to make sure I name all of them.
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Do you have that list of everybody?
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Fantastic.
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Senator Taylor, Representative Alma Allen,
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Representative Greg Bonnen, and Representative Thompson.
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So honored to have all of you here with us today.
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And I would like to call on Gina Perez for the invocation.
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Ms. Perez?
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Yes.
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Invocation. (laughs)
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Good morning.
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For--
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This work?
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I've very honored to do the invocation today,
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because many of you may already know this,
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but Aicha not only is my--
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A former protege, and I'm so very proud of you
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for being here this morning,
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so thank you for allowing me to do this for you today.
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If you will all join me, please.
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Heavenly Father,
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we gather here today in fellowship to do Your work.
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We come to this place from different towns, homes,
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backgrounds, and walks of life.
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United in the idea of what is,
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of doing what is best for Texas students and families.
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Father, we ask that, in this new year,
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a year of new beginnings and new faces,
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that you point us all in the direction of Your will.
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We ask You, Father, that You renew our faith
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in the work we do, and that You grant us
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wisdom in the choices we make.
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And that You soften our hearts
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in times of dissent and disagreement.
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Calm our minds so that we
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can truly hear one another and have a better understanding.
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Let us not be stubborn or unwilling to listen
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to all of your children.
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Even with those we disagree.
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Remind us every hour of every day
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why each of us are here in service.
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We ask this in Your Holy Name, Amen.
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...call on Member Hardy to give the pledges.
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Yes, would the audience please stand?
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I pledge allegiance to the flag
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of the United States of America
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and to the Republic, for which it stands.
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One nation, under God, indivisible
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with liberty and justice for all.
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Remain standing for the Texas flag.
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Honor the Texas flag.
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I pledge allegiance to thee.
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Texas, one state under God,
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one and indivisible.
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Thank you.
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I'd like to welcome Senator Taylor,
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if you would, to come to the podium.
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And I'd like to ask the seven recently elected members
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to come to the center of the circle.
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Thank you, Madam Chair.
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We gather today on a great day
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of celebrating elections and re-elections.
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And I'm honored to be invited to be here
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to do the swearing in of our folks, today.
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Yeah, we had the same deal
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with the School Finance Commission,
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these things just get tired and they turn off.
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By the way, I'm especially glad
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to be able to get here today.
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It's quite difficult, as you might imagine,
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to get here from the capitol.
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Thanks for the heads up on that.
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I didn't know if y'all even wanted us
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to come or not, after all.
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But once I climbed the fence and people quit yelling at me--
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(laughter)
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Things went well.
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But anyway, I'm just honored to be here today.
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We are working on great things in education.
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And this body, in conjunction with our legislature,
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the governor, and our commissioners here as well today,
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we are in the middle of great things for Texas,
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and I'm excited about the things
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that are going to be happening this session.
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And I'm excited to work with you,
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and I hope you'll follow the example
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of the School Finance Commission,
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it was a very diverse group, just as you have here.
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But we had one common goal.
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And that was to work for the children of Texas
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and improve the educational outcomes
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of 5.4 million students.
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That's our charge and I hope you'll take that to heart
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and work together where we can to make sure
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we move this state forward
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in our educational outcome for all of our kids.
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And with that, let's do the oath of office.
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If you would, raise your right hand.
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In the name and by the authority
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of the State of Texas, I, state your name--
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(inductees speaking)
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Do solemnly swear or affirm.
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That I will faithfully execute the duties of the office.
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Of member of the State Board of Education.
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Of the State of Texas.
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And will to the best of my ability.
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Preserve, protect, and defend.
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The Constitution and laws of the United States.
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And of this state.
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So help me, God.
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Congratulations.
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...didn't know if you had any other remarks
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that you'd like to add or if that sums it up for you?
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Well, that pretty well sums it up,
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but I just really am excited.
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I think you'll see a lot of horsepower, momentum,
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and just energy towards making these incredible changes
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in our school finance system,
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which if you're not aware,
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only happens about every four years.
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So this is a crucial time and to get this done
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during this session is very important for our state
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and for our future, and I just really appreciate
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y'all's willingness to step up in a very difficult role
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that you have, but it's so important
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what we do for these kids.
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At the end of the day,
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people ask me all the time, is this fun?
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I wouldn't describe all of it as fun,
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some of it's funner than others.
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But at the end of the day when I look back,
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the things that we accomplish make it all worthwhile,
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and I hope you have the same experience
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here on the Board of Education.
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Thank y'all very much.
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Absolutely.
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Thank you for coming.
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Thank you all.
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Thank you so much.
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Let me know when I can help.
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Absolutely.
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And I'd like to point out,
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I believe Representative Middleton has come in to the room,
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I just wanted to point out that he's here to visit with us.
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Any other representatives or senators that have come?
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Yes.
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...you know is a--
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Absolutely.
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Show support and appreciation for your work.
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Thank you, Representative Hinojosa.
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Thank you so much.
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Any others, did I miss any others?
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Wonderful, well, we feel very uptown today
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with this many people coming (laughs)
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to participate with us today in this exciting event.
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So thank you so much for coming.
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I'd like to also, we've got a tight timeline,
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we're just going to take a quick ten-minute break
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to grab lunch, this in the alcove right here.
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And set up and then we're going to ask the mariachi band
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to go ahead and get in here
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and get ready and we will all be able to enjoy that.
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A very special presentation with them today.
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And then Ruben Cortez, Member Cortez is going
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to introduce them here after we take this short ten minutes.
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Just to grab lunch here.
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Well good morning, everybody!
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If I can get your attention,
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we have a special treat for the board
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and for all of those that are joining us today
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as we took our ceremonial oath of office.
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We have the mariachi from Edcouch-Elsa,
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Mariachi Juvenil Azteca.
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For those of you that aren't aware,
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mariachi just became a UIL activity a few years ago.
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And Edouch-Elsa established this program back in 2005
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and it's quickly gained notoriety and recognition
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not only across the state but across the nation
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as one of the premier mariachi ensembles.
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Along their countless accolades,
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there are the Grand Championship Awards
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that Mariachi Juvenil Azteca has shared the stage
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with artists such as Mariachi del Sol Mexico,
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Mariachi Vargas de Tecalitlán.
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Their captivating show music has earned them
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performances around the state as well as
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presentations in California and in Florda.
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This year, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca was selected
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to perform at the National School Boards Association
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Conference in Philadelphia.
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I believe they will be the first ever mariachi ensemble
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to perform at the National School Boards Association
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Conference, if I'm not mistaken.
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And in 2018, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca was awarded
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the coveted title of Mariachi State Champions
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for 5A Division in the Texas Association
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of Mariachi Educators.
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Most recently, Mariachi Juvenil Azteca
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was crowned national champions
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at the 24th annual Mariachi Vargas Extravaganza
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in San Antonio, Texas.
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Mariachi Juvenil Azteca is under the direction
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of head director Marcos Garcia
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and assistant directors Manuel Farrar and Michael C. Dodd.
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And we have some other attendees from the district,
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but I'll recognize them after you hear
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from these amazing students
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who I'm very proud of and I'm very happy
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that we have La Machina in the house
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to perform at such an amazing time for us.
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Thank you guys.
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I hope you all like what you hear.
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(uptempo mariachi music)
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(Spanish language singing)
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(applause)
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Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf
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of the entire school district,
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thank you for the opportunity to be here
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and showcase these wonderful talents.
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It's not often that we get to come play
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for such prestige, and we're very honored
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and very privileged to be here.
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My name is Marcos Garcia, I'm the director
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of the Mariachi, and I'm
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the proud, proud director of these students.
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They've worked tremendously hard
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to get to where they are today.
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We have a ten-year program that we've built,
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like flowerbeds, and I'm very proud of the outcome
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and the quality that we have today.
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We want to dedicate this next song to a good friend of ours,
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Mr. Ruben Cortez, he shared with me
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that he had a go-to song, a very special song
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for him that was his chicken soup for the soul, he said.
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And we said, yeah, we can do that,
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even though it's not traditional mariachi,
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we can accomplish anything at Edcouch-Elsa.
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So this song is dedicated to him,
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it's entitled Reckless Love.
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(uptempo mariachi music)
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♪ Before I spoke a word, You were singing over me ♪
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♪ You have been so, so good to me ♪
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♪ Before I took a breath, You breathed Your life in me ♪
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♪ You have been so, so kind to me ♪
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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪
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♪ Oh it chases me down, fights 'til I'm found, leaves the 99 ♪
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♪ I couldn't earn it and I don't deserve it ♪
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♪ Still You give Yourself away ♪
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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪
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♪ When I was your foe, still Your love fought for me ♪
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♪ You have been so, so good to me ♪
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♪ When I felt no worth, You paid it all for me ♪
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♪ You have been so, so kind to me ♪
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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪
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♪ Oh it chases me down, fights 'til I'm found, leaves the 99 ♪
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♪ And I couldn't earn it, and I don't deserve it ♪
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♪ Still You gave Yourself away ♪
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♪ Oh the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God ♪
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(applause)
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This next selection, we dedicate it
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to all the teachers at our district this year,
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and turned out to be a hit on social media,
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so we're gonna share with you guys,
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it's an oldie but goodie by the title of Stand By Me.
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(uptempo mariachi music)
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♪ When the night has come ♪
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♪ And the land is dark ♪
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♪ And the moon is the only light we'll see ♪
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♪ No I won't be afraid, no I won't be afraid ♪
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♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪
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♪ So darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪
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♪ Oh stand by me ♪
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♪ Stand, stand by me, stand by me ♪
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♪ If the sky that we look upon ♪
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♪ Should tumble and fall ♪
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♪ Or the mountains should crumble to the sea ♪
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♪ I won't cry, I won't cry, no I won't shed a tear ♪
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♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪
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♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪
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♪ Oh stand by me ♪
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♪ Oh stand, stand by me, stand by me ♪
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♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪
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♪ Oh stand by me ♪
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♪ Just as long as you stand, stand by me ♪
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♪ And darlin', darlin', stand by me ♪
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♪ Ooh stand by me ♪
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♪ Oh stand ♪
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♪ Stand by me ♪
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(applause)
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Thank you very much, thank you.
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This next selection is one that we like to brag
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about our great state of Texas.
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Everywhere that we go, we tell everybody
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that we are the greatest state in the nation.
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So this is a little tribute
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to our Lone Star State, it's called our Lone Star Medley.
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(upbeat mariachi music)
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(medley tune, "The Eyes of Texas")
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(medley tune, "The Yellow Rose of Texas")
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(audience claps in time)
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(medley tune, "San Antonio Rose")
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(applause)
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Thank you so much for the applause,
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we have one last song,
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this is our award-winning show song
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that we won our national title.
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We take a lot of pride in that
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because we did beat the 6A champs
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and the 4A champs at that one,
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and we are the current reigning 5A champs.
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So we brag to everybody how good the program is,
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but we can't have this without you guys
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starting from the top down,
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so we appreciate everything you do,
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our board of trustees, our superintendents, amazing support.
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These guys give us everything that we ask for.
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And we do ask for a lot.
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But we are very blessed to have that support.
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And we can't do this without you,
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so thank you for everything that you do
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for our education system.
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It's truly a blessing to come
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and share what we do down here at the bottom with you guys.
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Okay, so this is our award-winning song,
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it's a tribute to Vera Cruz,
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and you're going to see a lot of showing off.
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We have tremendous instruments and vocalists in our group,
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so you'll see the violin section,
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the trumpet section, everybody taking a little piece
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of the pie and show off.
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And this is a tribute to Vera Cruz.
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(uptempo mariachi music)
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(singing in Spanish)
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(applause)
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Wow, what an amazing, amazing performance.
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You know,
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Marco, I don't know, and it wasn't on my sheet here,
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but remember when I was with you guys
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at the district early last year.
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You all had the number one vocalist, is that true?
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That's correct as well.
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The number four vocalist?
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Number seven?
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And the number 26?
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Is that right?
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Out of 25 entire vocalists
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in a separate competition, we had four finalists,
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so there were four of 25 vocalists,
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and then we did bring back the best in the nation vocalist,
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so it's the Best in the US they call it.
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With Natanya Flores.
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(applause)
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And we also have brought back second overall
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in the high school, and that was Anisa Solis.
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(applause)
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It's clear to see why you guys
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are the number one ranked mariachi in the country.
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You guys, I'm very proud of you guys,
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(applause)
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I love coming over when you guys invite me.
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I posted a video of them on my social media page
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early last year, I had lunch with them in San Antonio
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after they performed at the Gonzalez Convention Center.
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And they had already hit over 100,000 likes,
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it was a video from what you all did
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at your performing arts center there at the school district.
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So very proud of this group.
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And you left me breathless, man, when they played that song.
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I listen to it every morning,
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I listened to it this morning
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on my way to the gym, it's a good way to start my day.
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I think this is a good way with that song, Reckless Love,
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to begin our first session of this new Board of Education,
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so I'm very, very proud of you guys.
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And I have something that I want
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to just present to you guys.
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And I want to recognize all those others
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that are in attendance here from Edcouch,
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we have our superintendent,
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Mr. Cavasos, Ron Cavasos.
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(applause)
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We have our assistant superintendent
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from Edcouch-Elsa, Mrs. Francis Rocha.
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(applause)
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I believe our principal didn't make it, right?
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But our principal for the campus at Edcouch High School
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is Jorge Gutierrez, but with us today we have two
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of my good friends that serve on the board there,
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Mr. Tony Barco, long time friend, and Chris Morales--
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(applause)
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Thank you guys for continuing to invest in this program
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and all the other programs that La Machina
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has in the delta area, very, very proud of you guys.
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And we also have our executive director from Region One,
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Cornelio Gonzales was here a minute ago,
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I think he had to leave.
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But I have this certificate of special recognition
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from the Board of Education that I'd like to present to you,
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Marcos, on behalf of all of us
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and for your students in participation today.
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Thank you guys very much.
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Thank you very much.
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(applause)
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I hope you liked it.
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(applause)
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That concludes our ceremony for the swearing in
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of our members, and I'm going to take
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just a very quick five-minute break
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at this point to allow folks to leave
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if you'd like to, 'cause we are about
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to talk about something super exciting
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and that is the review and adoption
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of State Board of Education rules.
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Members, we'll go ahead and begin with our business
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of review and adoption of the State Board of Education
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operating rules, I did not understand why the room cleared.
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Because this is going to be
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a compelling conversation, I am sure.
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So. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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Okay, members, let's go ahead and get back together.
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(gavel strikes)
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All right, my intention, members, is to,
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and I am so grateful for all of you
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who submitted the rules to Debbie last Friday
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so we can send it out to give notification to everyone,
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so we both have time to think about the rule changes
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and if they agreed or disagreed,
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hopefully that'll help us move along.
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'Cause as you know, we need
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to get out of here at 2:30, and it's driving me...
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(no audio)
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So I have to look at my clock,
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so keep us on track for 2:30, if you would.
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And to make sure, so we need to get through the,
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if you'll look at the agenda,
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we've gotta get through the adoption,
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review and adoption of the rules
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and the election of State Board officers
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and the announcement of membership of committees,
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hopefully by 2:30 today,
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so we'll try our best to get through there,
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and anything lingering we will continue
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first thing tomorrow if we didn't get through
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all of those agenda items.
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Yes, so Ms. Ratcliffe?
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Good morning, board members and welcome,
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especially, to our new friends in circle.
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We are about to start the operating rules,
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but during the break, I also put
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your committee preference sheet on your table
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so if there's a lull in the action
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and you want to go ahead
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and write down your top two choices,
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feel free to go ahead and do that to speed us along later.
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And I would like just to interject,
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if you don't really care between a committee,
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like one committee and another committee,
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put one or two, one or two,
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and that makes us know that you don't care really,
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this is not necessarily your first
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and this is not necessarily your second.
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So if you don't really care among the committees,
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that would be helpful.
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Just for the officers to look at.
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Does that make sense to everybody?
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You can put one or two, whatever,
525
00:40:49.867 --> 00:40:52.117
for your first two choices.
526
00:40:53.511 --> 00:40:55.574
And now as we start the operating rules,
527
00:40:55.574 --> 00:40:57.641
if you're following along on your electr--
528
00:40:57.641 --> 00:40:59.141
I have yours, yes.
529
00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:03.119
If you're following along on your electronic agenda,
530
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.702
it's on page SBOE-3 and if you're using your bookmarks,
531
00:41:10.504 --> 00:41:15.504
you go to the bookmark called State Board of Education,
532
00:41:15.631 --> 00:41:18.504
June 28th, and then click on that,
533
00:41:18.504 --> 00:41:21.254
and today's agenda will download.
534
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:24.258
Will drop down.
535
00:41:24.258 --> 00:41:25.570
And this actual item is called
536
00:41:25.570 --> 00:41:29.228
Review and Adoption of SBOE Operating Rules.
537
00:41:29.228 --> 00:41:32.080
You also have on your desk, in case you,
538
00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:34.484
we all need a slower transition,
539
00:41:34.484 --> 00:41:37.967
you have a printout of what was in your agenda
540
00:41:37.967 --> 00:41:40.613
which are the staff proposed changes.
541
00:41:40.613 --> 00:41:42.836
Another document called Draft Amendments
542
00:41:42.836 --> 00:41:45.141
to State Board of Education Operating Rules,
543
00:41:45.141 --> 00:41:49.641
that's what members are likely to propose later today.
544
00:41:50.656 --> 00:41:52.853
So most of the, it looks like a lot of changes,
545
00:41:52.853 --> 00:41:54.709
most of them are cleanup related
546
00:41:54.709 --> 00:41:58.195
to technology or staffing changes.
547
00:41:58.195 --> 00:42:00.448
So we'll go ahead and start, the first one
548
00:42:00.448 --> 00:42:04.362
is found on SBOE-3, it's simply a date change
549
00:42:04.362 --> 00:42:06.981
to reflect what we hope will be adoption
550
00:42:06.981 --> 00:42:09.064
of the rules later today.
551
00:42:10.386 --> 00:42:11.969
And then I believe,
552
00:42:14.994 --> 00:42:18.796
we thought we'd walk through it by sections.
553
00:42:18.796 --> 00:42:20.609
And then I believe Mr. Maynard
554
00:42:20.609 --> 00:42:24.276
actually has the next amendment and that's--
555
00:42:26.870 --> 00:42:28.367
Exactly, 1.2-E.
556
00:42:28.367 --> 00:42:29.950
1.2-E.
557
00:42:31.149 --> 00:42:32.398
Does everybody know where we are?
558
00:42:32.398 --> 00:42:35.414
And that deals with the ad-hoc committees.
559
00:42:35.414 --> 00:42:36.831
Yes.
560
00:42:41.654 --> 00:42:42.846
Madam Chair, are you ready for that?
561
00:42:42.846 --> 00:42:45.092
Yes, why don't you go ahead?
562
00:42:45.092 --> 00:42:48.759
Yeah, members, in section 1.2-E,
563
00:42:50.143 --> 00:42:53.042
the amendment is to strike
564
00:42:53.042 --> 00:42:56.292
the word shall and insert the word may.
565
00:43:00.147 --> 00:43:02.509
And everybody can see the rationale there,
566
00:43:02.509 --> 00:43:05.676
is there any, if there's no objection?
567
00:43:09.131 --> 00:43:11.853
We'll go ahead and accept that change.
568
00:43:11.853 --> 00:43:13.603
All right, moving on.
569
00:43:14.609 --> 00:43:17.009
And I believe you've got 1.2-F.
570
00:43:17.009 --> 00:43:17.842
And that, yeah,
571
00:43:17.842 --> 00:43:19.733
I've actually got the next eight, I think, so--
572
00:43:19.733 --> 00:43:21.301
Okay.
573
00:43:21.301 --> 00:43:24.644
My second amendment is to insert
574
00:43:24.644 --> 00:43:26.912
the word the chair or commissioner may request
575
00:43:26.912 --> 00:43:30.370
Attorney General, request the Attorney General
576
00:43:30.370 --> 00:43:35.037
to issue an opinion under Texas government code 402.042.
577
00:43:36.499 --> 00:43:39.216
And everybody can see the rationale there.
578
00:43:39.216 --> 00:43:41.883
Any objection to that amendment?
579
00:43:43.139 --> 00:43:44.726
Just to make it clear in rule.
580
00:43:44.726 --> 00:43:46.059
Yes, Mr. Cortez?
581
00:43:47.007 --> 00:43:49.635
What is it currently to request,
582
00:43:49.635 --> 00:43:54.635
what is the process currently, any one of us can ask?
583
00:43:54.877 --> 00:43:56.570
(indistinct audio from Maynard)
584
00:43:56.570 --> 00:43:57.636
Yeah, Mr. Maynard,
585
00:43:57.636 --> 00:43:59.059
you looked into this, go ahead.
586
00:43:59.059 --> 00:44:03.064
Yeah and so, just to clarify that, you know,
587
00:44:03.064 --> 00:44:04.081
I know that from time to time
588
00:44:04.081 --> 00:44:05.754
that there have been questions
589
00:44:05.754 --> 00:44:07.943
about an Attorney General opinion.
590
00:44:07.943 --> 00:44:09.816
As it turns out, the government code
591
00:44:09.816 --> 00:44:12.075
specifies who can request that.
592
00:44:12.075 --> 00:44:14.092
I just thought that it would be useful
593
00:44:14.092 --> 00:44:15.850
to go ahead and to capture that piece
594
00:44:15.850 --> 00:44:18.339
of the government code to put it in our rules
595
00:44:18.339 --> 00:44:20.251
to keep someone from having to consult
596
00:44:20.251 --> 00:44:24.456
another document to go find out what that is.
597
00:44:24.456 --> 00:44:27.677
So we're just adding that to our rule as a clarification.
598
00:44:27.677 --> 00:44:29.541
Any objection to that amendment?
599
00:44:29.541 --> 00:44:32.791
Hearing none, the amendment is adopted.
600
00:44:36.838 --> 00:44:37.671
Is that--
601
00:44:37.671 --> 00:44:38.769
I believe the next amendment
602
00:44:38.769 --> 00:44:40.168
would deal with seating.
603
00:44:40.168 --> 00:44:41.001
2.1.
604
00:44:42.867 --> 00:44:43.700
Oh.
605
00:44:45.263 --> 00:44:46.474
Well, 1.3.
606
00:44:46.474 --> 00:44:48.307
Oh, I see 1.3, yeah.
607
00:44:53.124 --> 00:44:54.291
Madam Chair.
608
00:44:57.701 --> 00:44:59.118
I'm going to make
609
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.166
this motion on behalf of the Chair of the State Board.
610
00:45:05.166 --> 00:45:08.424
And because this is a motion dealing with seating,
611
00:45:08.424 --> 00:45:10.655
I thought that if I had the opportunity to make this motion
612
00:45:10.655 --> 00:45:12.652
that that would sort of by default
613
00:45:12.652 --> 00:45:14.382
make me the Chairman of the Board.
614
00:45:14.382 --> 00:45:15.984
Because it has to do with seating.
615
00:45:15.984 --> 00:45:19.151
(indistinct speaking)
616
00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.027
Ta-da, done.
617
00:45:22.027 --> 00:45:22.860
Okay.
618
00:45:24.361 --> 00:45:25.361
All right.
619
00:45:27.106 --> 00:45:30.106
The amendment is to insert the words
620
00:45:32.097 --> 00:45:36.847
and vice chair after chair, and after the word districts,
621
00:45:37.989 --> 00:45:41.026
the seating for the remaining 13 members
622
00:45:41.026 --> 00:45:43.811
will be rotated annually at the first board meeting
623
00:45:43.811 --> 00:45:45.561
of the calender year.
624
00:45:48.806 --> 00:45:53.223
I think everybody can see the rationale.
625
00:45:54.726 --> 00:45:55.559
There.
626
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.781
Does everybody have the sheet
627
00:45:57.781 --> 00:46:00.283
that has all the rationale and everything on there?
628
00:46:00.283 --> 00:46:01.789
(indistinct responses)
629
00:46:01.789 --> 00:46:05.371
Six of this document that has the,
630
00:46:05.371 --> 00:46:06.860
at front says Draft Amendments
631
00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:09.658
to the State Board of Education Operating Rules.
632
00:46:09.658 --> 00:46:12.255
Just to be sure, yes, Dr. Ellis.
633
00:46:12.255 --> 00:46:14.295
I would consider also if the board
634
00:46:14.295 --> 00:46:16.391
is willing to have the secretary stay
635
00:46:16.391 --> 00:46:21.058
in the same area as the other members of the leadership.
636
00:46:23.799 --> 00:46:26.962
So that would be amending an amendment,
637
00:46:26.962 --> 00:46:29.649
any second to that amendment?
638
00:46:29.649 --> 00:46:30.859
Second?
639
00:46:30.859 --> 00:46:33.970
Any discussion on that particular amendment?
640
00:46:33.970 --> 00:46:36.078
So it would keep the chair, vice chair,
641
00:46:36.078 --> 00:46:38.995
and secretary in the same position.
642
00:46:42.523 --> 00:46:43.871
Hearing none, okay.
643
00:46:43.871 --> 00:46:45.377
That amendment is adopted.
644
00:46:45.377 --> 00:46:47.544
Any other change to the...
645
00:46:49.283 --> 00:46:51.283
To the, yes, Mr. Cortez?
646
00:46:52.513 --> 00:46:53.846
So...
647
00:46:56.901 --> 00:46:59.446
I guess it's my understanding that,
648
00:46:59.446 --> 00:47:02.066
I guess, prior to my arrival, at least on this board,
649
00:47:02.066 --> 00:47:04.437
this had been attempted before.
650
00:47:04.437 --> 00:47:08.038
At least that's my understanding by Member Bradley.
651
00:47:08.038 --> 00:47:09.874
And that the community complained
652
00:47:09.874 --> 00:47:11.534
because they didn't know where we were seated
653
00:47:11.534 --> 00:47:13.856
and that's why we're now by number.
654
00:47:13.856 --> 00:47:15.053
So that when they're out there,
655
00:47:15.053 --> 00:47:20.053
they can see, okay, that's one, two, three, so on, so forth.
656
00:47:20.607 --> 00:47:23.763
So, and I just want to point that out,
657
00:47:23.763 --> 00:47:26.284
and I know the last two times
658
00:47:26.284 --> 00:47:28.135
that we've gone through this process
659
00:47:28.135 --> 00:47:31.025
this has been brought up as well.
660
00:47:31.025 --> 00:47:33.442
And that seemed to be I guess
661
00:47:34.530 --> 00:47:37.042
what we kept coming back to was
662
00:47:37.042 --> 00:47:40.051
that this experiment had failed in the past.
663
00:47:40.051 --> 00:47:41.529
Which is why it went to this.
664
00:47:41.529 --> 00:47:44.798
When we arrived, and we arrived at the same time.
665
00:47:44.798 --> 00:47:48.089
So just throwing that out there.
666
00:47:48.089 --> 00:47:49.819
Right, just as a point of clarification
667
00:47:49.819 --> 00:47:51.931
that was really a seniority thing
668
00:47:51.931 --> 00:47:55.495
that was tried before that we picked seats by seniority.
669
00:47:55.495 --> 00:47:57.305
And you're right, that did fail.
670
00:47:57.305 --> 00:47:59.857
But this is still, the idea,
671
00:47:59.857 --> 00:48:04.370
this idea is to maintain the order but rotate the order.
672
00:48:04.370 --> 00:48:05.891
So that everyone gets an opportunity
673
00:48:05.891 --> 00:48:08.808
both every three years as explained
674
00:48:09.892 --> 00:48:11.893
in here to have both the best seats
675
00:48:11.893 --> 00:48:15.666
and the worst seat every three years.
676
00:48:15.666 --> 00:48:18.935
And the in-between seat every three years.
677
00:48:18.935 --> 00:48:20.749
Yes, Mr. Allen?
678
00:48:20.749 --> 00:48:22.323
Is this going to be the room change now,
679
00:48:22.323 --> 00:48:23.468
does that mean we're going to stay
680
00:48:23.468 --> 00:48:25.300
where we are for the next three years?
681
00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:26.489
And then a little change?
682
00:48:26.489 --> 00:48:31.489
(laughs) No, it'd be rotating at this meeting.
683
00:48:31.825 --> 00:48:33.265
If this adopts--
684
00:48:33.265 --> 00:48:34.878
It's going to click one time?
685
00:48:34.878 --> 00:48:36.969
So tomorrow we would click a new rotation.
686
00:48:36.969 --> 00:48:38.276
Click one time?
687
00:48:38.276 --> 00:48:40.937
Yeah, click one time, and it would stay for a year.
688
00:48:40.937 --> 00:48:42.750
So that means I would go from here to here?
689
00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:45.906
You would go from here to...
690
00:48:45.906 --> 00:48:48.349
Let me see, you are right now.
691
00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:50.188
There should be a chart on your desk.
692
00:48:50.188 --> 00:48:51.197
We added something different a minute ago
693
00:48:51.197 --> 00:48:52.944
in the conversation, we moved the secretary
694
00:48:52.944 --> 00:48:54.437
in a stationary position as well,
695
00:48:54.437 --> 00:48:56.949
so this is inaccurate, the drawing anymore.
696
00:48:56.949 --> 00:48:58.714
(people chattering)
697
00:48:58.714 --> 00:49:01.631
Right, so what I'm saying is now...
698
00:49:03.074 --> 00:49:06.068
I would be, no, I wouldn't be where Ellis is at.
699
00:49:06.068 --> 00:49:09.068
(people chattering)
700
00:49:10.953 --> 00:49:13.054
It would be rotating in sections.
701
00:49:13.054 --> 00:49:14.853
If this stays?
702
00:49:14.853 --> 00:49:16.399
Yeah, right.
703
00:49:16.399 --> 00:49:17.232
That's right.
704
00:49:17.232 --> 00:49:18.996
In sections, still maintaining the order,
705
00:49:18.996 --> 00:49:21.079
but rotating in sections.
706
00:49:22.693 --> 00:49:23.550
No, I would rather stay
707
00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:25.087
where I'm at for the next three years
708
00:49:25.087 --> 00:49:27.004
and then make a change.
709
00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:29.747
(laughs) Yeah.
710
00:49:29.747 --> 00:49:32.698
So I don't know, I don't know a reason why,
711
00:49:32.698 --> 00:49:34.948
again, we did prior to that
712
00:49:35.936 --> 00:49:38.853
the seniority was voted in before--
713
00:49:39.955 --> 00:49:42.338
Right, before it was changed back to order.
714
00:49:42.338 --> 00:49:44.765
Senior members got to choose their seating.
715
00:49:44.765 --> 00:49:46.749
And that was in relationship to what goes on
716
00:49:46.749 --> 00:49:48.864
in the capitol and what have you.
717
00:49:48.864 --> 00:49:53.781
And then so I don't know from the maker of this amendment
718
00:49:53.781 --> 00:49:57.088
what's the advantages to this or,
719
00:49:57.088 --> 00:49:58.112
'cause this sequential order
720
00:49:58.112 --> 00:49:59.594
and what we're having now is always been
721
00:49:59.594 --> 00:50:01.830
just a simple concept, but what are the advantages
722
00:50:01.830 --> 00:50:03.141
to making this change?
723
00:50:03.141 --> 00:50:05.473
Well, if you look at the rationale right there
724
00:50:05.473 --> 00:50:07.680
on page six, I don't know if you see that
725
00:50:07.680 --> 00:50:09.752
in the middle of the page there.
726
00:50:09.752 --> 00:50:11.644
Says that this change will enable all members
727
00:50:11.644 --> 00:50:13.784
to have the benefit of sitting in the best,
728
00:50:13.784 --> 00:50:16.627
the okay, and the worst seats over a three year
729
00:50:16.627 --> 00:50:18.758
rotation period while still maintaining
730
00:50:18.758 --> 00:50:21.993
the seating in the district order.
731
00:50:21.993 --> 00:50:24.576
And, you know, I would maintain
732
00:50:25.426 --> 00:50:28.375
that just because you're districts 12 and 13
733
00:50:28.375 --> 00:50:31.980
that our new members here are occupying,
734
00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:35.421
should not mean you always have your back to the testifiers.
735
00:50:35.421 --> 00:50:38.741
And just because you're in districts 12 and 13.
736
00:50:38.741 --> 00:50:42.331
So the idea is that everyone would have an opportunity
737
00:50:42.331 --> 00:50:45.449
to rotate around the circle over a three-year time period,
738
00:50:45.449 --> 00:50:50.352
and everyone would get both the opportunity to sit where,
739
00:50:50.352 --> 00:50:52.307
with their backs to the windows,
740
00:50:52.307 --> 00:50:56.042
the back to the press and backs to the testifiers,
741
00:50:56.042 --> 00:50:57.819
so that we all kind of share equally,
742
00:50:57.819 --> 00:51:00.775
both in the good seats, the so-so seats,
743
00:51:00.775 --> 00:51:02.343
and the ones that are not that great.
744
00:51:02.343 --> 00:51:03.677
The thing that, I just
745
00:51:03.677 --> 00:51:05.372
never knew we had good seats.
746
00:51:05.372 --> 00:51:06.608
I didn't know we had good seats,
747
00:51:06.608 --> 00:51:08.699
I didn't know we had so-so seats,
748
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.079
I didn't know we had bad seats.
749
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.208
I just didn't know that.
750
00:51:11.208 --> 00:51:12.070
(laughs) Yeah.
751
00:51:12.070 --> 00:51:12.903
I didn't know that.
752
00:51:12.903 --> 00:51:14.809
So (laughs)
753
00:51:14.809 --> 00:51:16.942
So I guess I've been here in the good seat
754
00:51:16.942 --> 00:51:19.171
for a long time, I don't know.
755
00:51:19.171 --> 00:51:20.504
So, but I guess.
756
00:51:22.575 --> 00:51:24.687
You say in three years we would make the whole circle?
757
00:51:24.687 --> 00:51:25.520
Make the whole circle.
758
00:51:25.520 --> 00:51:27.295
So we'd move every six months or something?
759
00:51:27.295 --> 00:51:28.128
No, no.
760
00:51:28.128 --> 00:51:29.190
Once a year.
761
00:51:29.190 --> 00:51:30.523
Just in January.
762
00:51:31.381 --> 00:51:32.834
Just in January.
763
00:51:32.834 --> 00:51:35.743
(indistinct speakers)
764
00:51:35.743 --> 00:51:36.576
Right.
765
00:51:37.941 --> 00:51:38.774
Every--
766
00:51:38.774 --> 00:51:42.597
You'd move in January every year, but in sections.
767
00:51:42.597 --> 00:51:45.273
The chart shows, do you see that chart right here?
768
00:51:45.273 --> 00:51:47.160
I'm not that good, Donna, I see the chart.
769
00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:49.301
(laughter)
770
00:51:49.301 --> 00:51:50.952
See the chart right there,
771
00:51:50.952 --> 00:51:53.939
so it kind of shows where the arrow where one starts,
772
00:51:53.939 --> 00:51:57.606
district one starts and then it goes around.
773
00:51:58.630 --> 00:51:59.880
Mkay.
774
00:52:00.866 --> 00:52:01.699
All right, I'm--
775
00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:02.742
You see that, over three years.
776
00:52:02.742 --> 00:52:04.955
I've got the concept, I still find it,
777
00:52:04.955 --> 00:52:06.149
if it makes it fair for everybody
778
00:52:06.149 --> 00:52:09.005
to have their backs turned, not turned, that's fine with me.
779
00:52:09.005 --> 00:52:12.150
But I still think we should start where we are.
780
00:52:12.150 --> 00:52:12.983
Yeah.
781
00:52:12.983 --> 00:52:13.816
But the new members in the circle
782
00:52:13.816 --> 00:52:17.255
so they're not going to see it as good, bad, or indifferent.
783
00:52:17.255 --> 00:52:19.934
Just happy to be in the circle.
784
00:52:19.934 --> 00:52:22.156
(laughs) Until we told 'em it was bad.
785
00:52:22.156 --> 00:52:23.906
They have a bad seat.
786
00:52:25.295 --> 00:52:26.405
Yeah.
787
00:52:26.405 --> 00:52:28.155
Any other discussion?
788
00:52:30.389 --> 00:52:31.784
I thought, Pat, did you have your hand up?
789
00:52:31.784 --> 00:52:33.076
I thought you had your hand up, no.
790
00:52:33.076 --> 00:52:33.909
I didn't want to take my--
791
00:52:33.909 --> 00:52:35.819
I'll explain the reasoning, yeah.
792
00:52:35.819 --> 00:52:37.069
Gotcha, gotcha.
793
00:52:38.286 --> 00:52:40.437
Okay, right now, the amendment would say,
794
00:52:40.437 --> 00:52:42.721
with the exception of the chair, vice chair and secretary,
795
00:52:42.721 --> 00:52:43.914
the seating of the board will be
796
00:52:43.914 --> 00:52:45.733
by State Board of Education districts.
797
00:52:45.733 --> 00:52:47.476
The seating for the remaining,
798
00:52:47.476 --> 00:52:50.307
would be 12 members in this case.
799
00:52:50.307 --> 00:52:52.118
The amendment would say 12,
800
00:52:52.118 --> 00:52:54.144
'cause we just passed the secretary one.
801
00:52:54.144 --> 00:52:56.017
12 members would be rotated annually
802
00:52:56.017 --> 00:52:58.370
at the first board meeting of the calendar year.
803
00:52:58.370 --> 00:53:00.121
Any member with a special need
804
00:53:00.121 --> 00:53:02.702
may exchange a seat with another board member
805
00:53:02.702 --> 00:53:04.910
who is in agreement with that exchange.
806
00:53:04.910 --> 00:53:07.212
All those in favor, say aye.
807
00:53:07.212 --> 00:53:08.045
(multiple responding)
808
00:53:08.045 --> 00:53:09.356
All those opposed say no.
809
00:53:09.356 --> 00:53:10.768
No.
810
00:53:10.768 --> 00:53:12.310
Okay, why don't we just hold our hands up.
811
00:53:12.310 --> 00:53:14.661
All those in favor, let's just hold our hands up.
812
00:53:14.661 --> 00:53:16.459
The windows caucus is opposed to it.
813
00:53:16.459 --> 00:53:20.908
Yeah, the windows caucus is opposed. (laughter)
814
00:53:20.908 --> 00:53:23.991
All those in favor, raise your hands.
815
00:53:26.311 --> 00:53:27.728
How many is that?
816
00:53:32.176 --> 00:53:33.009
Okay.
817
00:53:33.009 --> 00:53:36.093
All those opposed, raise your hand.
818
00:53:36.093 --> 00:53:38.443
Okay, the motion carries.
819
00:53:38.443 --> 00:53:39.637
All right.
820
00:53:39.637 --> 00:53:40.852
Okay, next one.
821
00:53:40.852 --> 00:53:42.445
Let's move on.
822
00:53:42.445 --> 00:53:45.491
Next one, Mr. Maynard, keep up with this here
823
00:53:45.491 --> 00:53:48.909
so I don't skip whatever's might be next.
824
00:53:48.909 --> 00:53:50.159
Or is it staff?
825
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:52.975
There are some other amendments
826
00:53:52.975 --> 00:53:55.807
potentially coming that deal with 1.2,
827
00:53:55.807 --> 00:54:00.234
but they also impact the resolution at the end, so...
828
00:54:00.234 --> 00:54:01.570
Oh, maybe wait?
829
00:54:01.570 --> 00:54:02.403
Yeah.
830
00:54:02.403 --> 00:54:04.037
Until we get that, okay.
831
00:54:04.037 --> 00:54:05.383
That'd be fine.
832
00:54:05.383 --> 00:54:06.216
So, okay.
833
00:54:10.043 --> 00:54:12.383
And we're moving to chapter two
834
00:54:12.383 --> 00:54:16.050
and on 2.1, it's been suggested that we add,
835
00:54:17.410 --> 00:54:19.278
this deals with if there's not a quorum
836
00:54:19.278 --> 00:54:20.474
at the board meeting,
837
00:54:20.474 --> 00:54:22.351
to add the words "shall be recessed"
838
00:54:22.351 --> 00:54:24.841
and add "or adjourned" just so
839
00:54:24.841 --> 00:54:28.174
we are covering our legal options there.
840
00:54:29.056 --> 00:54:32.255
Any objection to that change.
841
00:54:32.255 --> 00:54:33.338
Hearing none.
842
00:54:34.381 --> 00:54:37.631
2.1 on page SBOE-5 on the main document
843
00:54:38.826 --> 00:54:41.132
that staff put together for us.
844
00:54:41.132 --> 00:54:41.974
Okay.
845
00:54:41.974 --> 00:54:43.633
All right.
846
00:54:43.633 --> 00:54:44.952
Yes?
847
00:54:44.952 --> 00:54:46.225
Mr. Mercer?
848
00:54:46.225 --> 00:54:47.139
Okay, go ahead.
849
00:54:47.139 --> 00:54:50.218
The question was, it's a technical thing,
850
00:54:50.218 --> 00:54:54.285
but it's only if someone calls a quorum on it, is that true?
851
00:54:54.285 --> 00:54:55.369
And we could have three members here
852
00:54:55.369 --> 00:54:56.962
but no one calls a quorum call,
853
00:54:56.962 --> 00:55:01.295
we'd keep on going, just a point of technical thing.
854
00:55:02.143 --> 00:55:05.047
I don't think that's actually accurate for us,
855
00:55:05.047 --> 00:55:06.601
if you're meeting as the full board,
856
00:55:06.601 --> 00:55:10.134
we need eight more board members present.
857
00:55:10.134 --> 00:55:11.801
To conduct business.
858
00:55:13.350 --> 00:55:16.530
And I would add as a point of parliamentary note
859
00:55:16.530 --> 00:55:18.918
that the chair has an obligation
860
00:55:18.918 --> 00:55:20.653
if she notices that a quorum
861
00:55:20.653 --> 00:55:25.238
is no longer present to notify the body of that fact.
862
00:55:25.238 --> 00:55:27.738
And to take no further action.
863
00:55:30.640 --> 00:55:31.640
All right.
864
00:55:33.255 --> 00:55:34.348
What's the next one?
865
00:55:34.348 --> 00:55:39.015
It's on SBOE-6, it's at the middle of the page, 2.6-B.
866
00:55:40.406 --> 00:55:41.839
And that's updating the language
867
00:55:41.839 --> 00:55:43.593
dealing with video conferencing,
868
00:55:43.593 --> 00:55:46.003
there've been some statutory changes there,
869
00:55:46.003 --> 00:55:47.958
so we're just now reflecting
870
00:55:47.958 --> 00:55:50.625
what the statute you fall under.
871
00:55:51.658 --> 00:55:55.887
Any objections to that change?
872
00:55:55.887 --> 00:55:57.307
Hearing none.
873
00:55:57.307 --> 00:55:59.277
Amendment's adopted.
874
00:55:59.277 --> 00:56:00.503
At the bottom of that page,
875
00:56:00.503 --> 00:56:04.248
we're going to amend our proposal on C,
876
00:56:04.248 --> 00:56:05.837
that very last sentence there,
877
00:56:05.837 --> 00:56:09.416
we're just now suggesting adding noise makers.
878
00:56:09.416 --> 00:56:10.895
Flags and noise makers.
879
00:56:10.895 --> 00:56:11.758
Well...
880
00:56:11.758 --> 00:56:13.188
Flags?
881
00:56:13.188 --> 00:56:15.731
I think after our conversation Friday
882
00:56:15.731 --> 00:56:18.081
that we probably shouldn't include flags.
883
00:56:18.081 --> 00:56:20.748
That would be my recommendation.
884
00:56:21.775 --> 00:56:23.858
It's certainly up to you.
885
00:56:26.504 --> 00:56:28.004
Yeah.
886
00:56:30.834 --> 00:56:32.850
There was a concern that it might raise
887
00:56:32.850 --> 00:56:34.850
a First Amendment issue.
888
00:56:36.486 --> 00:56:39.771
Was some advice we got from legal counsel last week.
889
00:56:39.771 --> 00:56:41.742
I think, you know, perhaps what we do,
890
00:56:41.742 --> 00:56:45.968
maybe in the rules that we kind of post up here,
891
00:56:45.968 --> 00:56:50.051
that kind of talk about respecting others that,
892
00:56:50.051 --> 00:56:52.697
you know, you don't want things in front of people.
893
00:56:52.697 --> 00:56:54.716
Like I noticed we had a couple of hearings
894
00:56:54.716 --> 00:56:57.466
where very large flags, you know,
895
00:57:00.471 --> 00:57:03.003
could obstruct the view of a lot of people,
896
00:57:03.003 --> 00:57:04.815
and so that was why the original thought
897
00:57:04.815 --> 00:57:08.125
was that you would include flags, 'cause they're very big.
898
00:57:08.125 --> 00:57:10.229
The ones that were brought in here.
899
00:57:10.229 --> 00:57:11.062
And...
900
00:57:12.385 --> 00:57:13.218
Yes.
901
00:57:13.218 --> 00:57:14.051
Mr. Rowley?
902
00:57:14.051 --> 00:57:14.884
Yeah, so well, it seems to me
903
00:57:14.884 --> 00:57:16.284
if we're talking about First Amendment issues,
904
00:57:16.284 --> 00:57:19.463
signs and placards would be just as germane
905
00:57:19.463 --> 00:57:22.000
on a First Amendment speech issue
906
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.064
as would a flag, perhaps even more so.
907
00:57:25.064 --> 00:57:27.523
Because sign and placard pretty much
908
00:57:27.523 --> 00:57:30.106
has a speech connotation to it.
909
00:57:31.423 --> 00:57:33.985
But perhaps what we might consider doing
910
00:57:33.985 --> 00:57:38.985
in this amendment is stating the purpose of saying no signs,
911
00:57:39.049 --> 00:57:41.228
placards, flags, noisemakers or other objects
912
00:57:41.228 --> 00:57:44.592
of a similar nature which might distract
913
00:57:44.592 --> 00:57:47.925
from an orderly proceeding of a meeting,
914
00:57:48.946 --> 00:57:51.343
then at least we have a rational basis
915
00:57:51.343 --> 00:57:55.068
other than just impairment of free speech.
916
00:57:55.068 --> 00:57:56.016
But I'll defer--
917
00:57:56.016 --> 00:57:58.145
I'll let Chris speak first.
918
00:57:58.145 --> 00:57:59.478
Go ahead.
919
00:57:59.478 --> 00:58:02.076
I think the conversation on Friday
920
00:58:02.076 --> 00:58:04.243
was towards certain flags.
921
00:58:06.032 --> 00:58:07.805
For example, can you keep out
922
00:58:07.805 --> 00:58:10.583
a Confederate flag, a Nazi flag?
923
00:58:10.583 --> 00:58:12.231
Well, you can't just decide which flags
924
00:58:12.231 --> 00:58:13.639
you want to keep out.
925
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.149
If you're starting to make distinctions,
926
00:58:15.149 --> 00:58:17.703
you can have the French flag
927
00:58:17.703 --> 00:58:20.554
but not the Confederate flag,
928
00:58:20.554 --> 00:58:23.065
then you get in a free speech problem.
929
00:58:23.065 --> 00:58:27.019
I think as written this is okay 'cause it's content neutral.
930
00:58:27.019 --> 00:58:29.440
It's no signs, no matter what content,
931
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.251
no placards, no matter what content,
932
00:58:31.251 --> 00:58:33.410
no flags, no noisemakers.
933
00:58:33.410 --> 00:58:37.366
I think you can do that if this is what you wish to do.
934
00:58:37.366 --> 00:58:38.866
Okay.
935
00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:42.202
I would not offer that amendment then,
936
00:58:42.202 --> 00:58:44.517
I mean, because I don't think we're raising the issue
937
00:58:44.517 --> 00:58:47.629
of First Amendment if it reads
938
00:58:47.629 --> 00:58:50.212
an absolute ban on those items.
939
00:58:51.289 --> 00:58:52.582
And we can all understand for the purpose
940
00:58:52.582 --> 00:58:55.848
of orderly conduct and not distracting
941
00:58:55.848 --> 00:58:57.765
other audience members.
942
00:59:02.584 --> 00:59:04.834
(laughter)
943
00:59:06.023 --> 00:59:08.989
Yes, Mr. Cortez.
944
00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:10.668
You know, while I recall the instance
945
00:59:10.668 --> 00:59:13.790
that we're, I guess, trying to reference,
946
00:59:13.790 --> 00:59:16.404
and while I necessarily didn't agree with it,
947
00:59:16.404 --> 00:59:19.987
I just don't think that we should limit it.
948
00:59:23.552 --> 00:59:26.733
I think just by putting the word flag in there,
949
00:59:26.733 --> 00:59:28.520
I mean, if somebody walks in here with a Texas flag
950
00:59:28.520 --> 00:59:32.937
or US flag, and I just, I don't see an issue with it.
951
00:59:36.092 --> 00:59:38.287
Obviously my preference would have been
952
00:59:38.287 --> 00:59:40.535
not having had that one flag
953
00:59:40.535 --> 00:59:43.611
that was in here at one time, but it was.
954
00:59:43.611 --> 00:59:46.873
And I thought the meeting flowed smoothly,
955
00:59:46.873 --> 00:59:50.142
it was no big fight that broke out.
956
00:59:50.142 --> 00:59:53.134
You know, so I don't know, I would just object.
957
00:59:53.134 --> 00:59:54.994
I mean, obviously the noisemakers, I get it.
958
00:59:54.994 --> 00:59:56.181
But the flags.
959
00:59:56.181 --> 00:59:57.014
Yeah.
960
00:59:57.014 --> 00:59:57.847
Whether we like it or not,
961
00:59:57.847 --> 00:59:59.365
I mean, I think people should be able
962
00:59:59.365 --> 01:00:02.448
to express what they want to express.
963
01:00:06.063 --> 01:00:09.079
Mr. Ellis hasn't spoken, so Dr. Ellis.
964
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:09.985
Along those same lines,
965
01:00:09.985 --> 01:00:10.944
I would agree to the extent
966
01:00:10.944 --> 01:00:14.422
that I'm not necessarily sure which way is the proper way,
967
01:00:14.422 --> 01:00:17.081
but I think it just needs to be one way or the other.
968
01:00:17.081 --> 01:00:18.395
If you have it where, as long
969
01:00:18.395 --> 01:00:23.395
as it's not affecting the meeting or creating a controversy,
970
01:00:24.170 --> 01:00:25.940
then it falls upon the board chair
971
01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:28.343
to decide if it's creating an issue.
972
01:00:28.343 --> 01:00:29.518
So whether we have or don't,
973
01:00:29.518 --> 01:00:32.503
I think it needs to be just none at all
974
01:00:32.503 --> 01:00:34.836
or to be permissive for all.
975
01:00:36.508 --> 01:00:39.566
But not necessarily where if it's causing a distraction,
976
01:00:39.566 --> 01:00:41.466
'cause that's going to get very arbitrary
977
01:00:41.466 --> 01:00:44.682
on what's causing a distraction or not.
978
01:00:44.682 --> 01:00:46.031
Yeah.
979
01:00:46.031 --> 01:00:47.364
Yes, Mr. Rowley.
980
01:00:48.609 --> 01:00:49.442
Oh, okay.
981
01:00:51.472 --> 01:00:53.639
Well, I think it's more,
982
01:00:56.222 --> 01:00:59.133
it's a safer approach with regard
983
01:00:59.133 --> 01:01:03.567
to our rules if it's an absolute prohibition
984
01:01:03.567 --> 01:01:06.668
instead of a decision made on the part
985
01:01:06.668 --> 01:01:08.824
of the chair or the board or anyone else.
986
01:01:08.824 --> 01:01:11.791
And to speak to Member Cortez's point,
987
01:01:11.791 --> 01:01:13.523
actually it was an issue,
988
01:01:13.523 --> 01:01:16.178
because I went over to address it,
989
01:01:16.178 --> 01:01:19.727
as you'll recall to try to work the deal out
990
01:01:19.727 --> 01:01:22.133
and we wound up, it wound up being okay,
991
01:01:22.133 --> 01:01:22.966
but I had a number of people
992
01:01:22.966 --> 01:01:25.194
come approach me and said that's offensive to me.
993
01:01:25.194 --> 01:01:27.372
And I would rather you get that out of here.
994
01:01:27.372 --> 01:01:29.880
Yeah, and so I went over to try to address it.
995
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:32.705
So I think in that instance it was disruptive.
996
01:01:32.705 --> 01:01:35.279
And I think it would have been more difficult to say,
997
01:01:35.279 --> 01:01:37.136
you know, the nature of that flag
998
01:01:37.136 --> 01:01:39.318
is such we don't want it in here.
999
01:01:39.318 --> 01:01:40.151
I think it would have been
1000
01:01:40.151 --> 01:01:42.467
much more constitutionally protected
1001
01:01:42.467 --> 01:01:44.345
had we said we don't allow signs,
1002
01:01:44.345 --> 01:01:47.242
placards, noisemakers or flags.
1003
01:01:47.242 --> 01:01:50.387
And so I would speak in favor of the amendment, personally.
1004
01:01:50.387 --> 01:01:52.704
Any other discussion?
1005
01:01:52.704 --> 01:01:53.954
Yes, Ms. Perez?
1006
01:01:55.064 --> 01:01:58.012
If it makes it easier we could bring it in alignment
1007
01:01:58.012 --> 01:02:01.255
with our audience or our member
1008
01:02:01.255 --> 01:02:03.010
of the audience participation rules
1009
01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:05.593
which reads no signs, placards,
1010
01:02:06.575 --> 01:02:08.856
or other objects of similar nature
1011
01:02:08.856 --> 01:02:11.273
or meaning a visual displays.
1012
01:02:12.304 --> 01:02:13.697
No posters, props, signs, placards,
1013
01:02:13.697 --> 01:02:16.437
or other visual displays.
1014
01:02:16.437 --> 01:02:19.682
If you're wearing a lapel pin, fine.
1015
01:02:19.682 --> 01:02:21.127
If you're bringing in something that's the size
1016
01:02:21.127 --> 01:02:23.852
of what you put on a flagpole at your school,
1017
01:02:23.852 --> 01:02:27.058
it's distracting and if you're sitting
1018
01:02:27.058 --> 01:02:32.058
in front of the audience, no one behind you can participate.
1019
01:02:32.542 --> 01:02:37.027
And it does bring it in alignment with our audience rules.
1020
01:02:37.027 --> 01:02:39.146
What is that one, where is that one,
1021
01:02:39.146 --> 01:02:43.246
'cause we should have those two, where is it?
1022
01:02:43.246 --> 01:02:44.079
Oh.
1023
01:02:45.631 --> 01:02:46.923
Oh, I see.
1024
01:02:46.923 --> 01:02:49.386
Because very clearly the incident
1025
01:02:49.386 --> 01:02:52.486
that we're all referencing without referencing it,
1026
01:02:52.486 --> 01:02:55.071
was the gentleman who came in with a Confederate flag
1027
01:02:55.071 --> 01:02:56.554
on his walker prior to attacking
1028
01:02:56.554 --> 01:03:00.525
all of the districts one through four.
1029
01:03:00.525 --> 01:03:03.525
And it was clearly a visual display.
1030
01:03:05.445 --> 01:03:06.364
And if we're not going to allow
1031
01:03:06.364 --> 01:03:07.932
some visual displays then
1032
01:03:07.932 --> 01:03:09.622
let's not allow any visual displays.
1033
01:03:09.622 --> 01:03:12.277
We don't want posters, we don't want signs.
1034
01:03:12.277 --> 01:03:15.077
We don't want those kinds of distractions.
1035
01:03:15.077 --> 01:03:17.440
He may do that in his house but this is not his house,
1036
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:18.460
this is the people's house
1037
01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:23.127
and I don't think that that added any value to his rant.
1038
01:03:27.811 --> 01:03:28.814
Yes, Ms. Cargill.
1039
01:03:28.814 --> 01:03:31.240
Just to clarify, all of that is allowed,
1040
01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:33.700
just right here in the lobby.
1041
01:03:33.700 --> 01:03:35.773
You know, they can certainly,
1042
01:03:35.773 --> 01:03:37.939
it's just in a business meeting not appropriate,
1043
01:03:37.939 --> 01:03:39.473
but it is allowed in the lobby
1044
01:03:39.473 --> 01:03:42.857
and out front and everywhere else.
1045
01:03:42.857 --> 01:03:43.690
Right.
1046
01:03:44.680 --> 01:03:46.103
Yes, Mister--
1047
01:03:46.103 --> 01:03:48.028
So, will they be notified
1048
01:03:48.028 --> 01:03:50.781
when they sign up for public comment,
1049
01:03:50.781 --> 01:03:52.011
will all of this be told to them
1050
01:03:52.011 --> 01:03:54.678
in advance of when they sign up?
1051
01:03:55.975 --> 01:03:58.141
They are, it is in the rules,
1052
01:03:58.141 --> 01:04:01.031
and then if we anticipate that kind of activity
1053
01:04:01.031 --> 01:04:05.191
we put a poster out on the table outside the doorway.
1054
01:04:05.191 --> 01:04:06.441
With the rules.
1055
01:04:09.567 --> 01:04:11.448
Yeah.
1056
01:04:11.448 --> 01:04:15.405
Member Rowley convinced me with his...
1057
01:04:15.405 --> 01:04:16.508
Any other discussion?
1058
01:04:16.508 --> 01:04:17.341
All those--
1059
01:04:17.341 --> 01:04:18.174
He had me at hello.
1060
01:04:18.174 --> 01:04:21.656
All those in favor of amending to no signs,
1061
01:04:21.656 --> 01:04:23.763
placards, flags, noisemakers, or other objects
1062
01:04:23.763 --> 01:04:25.078
of a similar nature shall be permitted
1063
01:04:25.078 --> 01:04:26.584
in the audience gallery area.
1064
01:04:26.584 --> 01:04:28.317
All those in favor say aye.
1065
01:04:28.317 --> 01:04:29.150
Aye.
1066
01:04:29.150 --> 01:04:31.983
All those opposed say no.
1067
01:04:31.983 --> 01:04:34.566
All right, okay, let's move on.
1068
01:04:35.806 --> 01:04:37.543
I believe we have an amendment for--
1069
01:04:37.543 --> 01:04:38.821
On E?
1070
01:04:38.821 --> 01:04:41.421
2.6-C, to back up just a little bit,
1071
01:04:41.421 --> 01:04:43.504
dealing with cell phones.
1072
01:04:44.586 --> 01:04:46.974
And it's on page seven of your--
1073
01:04:46.974 --> 01:04:49.307
Oh, yes.
1074
01:04:49.307 --> 01:04:52.617
Handout with board member amendments.
1075
01:04:52.617 --> 01:04:54.430
I should have probably marked this
1076
01:04:54.430 --> 01:04:57.804
on each of our, where all these are.
1077
01:04:57.804 --> 01:04:59.715
Kay, go ahead, I don't know who's making that.
1078
01:04:59.715 --> 01:05:01.414
Can you go ahead?
1079
01:05:01.414 --> 01:05:02.247
Dr. Ellis?
1080
01:05:03.414 --> 01:05:05.612
Yeah, I think this was probably written
1081
01:05:05.612 --> 01:05:07.818
at a time when cell phones were newer,
1082
01:05:07.818 --> 01:05:10.091
maybe not ubiquitous as they are now.
1083
01:05:10.091 --> 01:05:11.821
I think we all use the cell phones
1084
01:05:11.821 --> 01:05:14.104
as part of transacting our business
1085
01:05:14.104 --> 01:05:17.284
on the board and communication.
1086
01:05:17.284 --> 01:05:22.192
I don't see a place and time where the board chair would,
1087
01:05:22.192 --> 01:05:24.038
where the board would restrict the members
1088
01:05:24.038 --> 01:05:25.443
from using cell phones during meetings,
1089
01:05:25.443 --> 01:05:28.030
so if that's the issue I would make a motion
1090
01:05:28.030 --> 01:05:30.030
that we take that C out.
1091
01:05:34.271 --> 01:05:35.268
I think that's correct.
1092
01:05:35.268 --> 01:05:36.509
Is there any objection?
1093
01:05:36.509 --> 01:05:38.592
Hearing none, amendment--
1094
01:05:39.946 --> 01:05:42.779
The next amendment is on SBOE-7.
1095
01:05:44.593 --> 01:05:48.681
And this deals with prohibiting supporters
1096
01:05:48.681 --> 01:05:52.529
of people testifying from gathering here behind the podium.
1097
01:05:52.529 --> 01:05:54.262
The thought is it just makes it difficult
1098
01:05:54.262 --> 01:05:56.689
to tell who the next speaker is.
1099
01:05:56.689 --> 01:05:58.783
It can certainly, the supporters can still stand up
1100
01:05:58.783 --> 01:06:00.998
in the audience or wave their hands
1101
01:06:00.998 --> 01:06:04.331
but to try to avoid a jam up right here.
1102
01:06:06.474 --> 01:06:10.076
Is there any objection to that addition?
1103
01:06:10.076 --> 01:06:11.370
Hearing none.
1104
01:06:11.370 --> 01:06:12.870
Amendment carries.
1105
01:06:14.731 --> 01:06:16.494
All right, what's our next.
1106
01:06:16.494 --> 01:06:18.077
It's 2.9-A and B.
1107
01:06:21.027 --> 01:06:23.410
I think Mr. Maynard has...
1108
01:06:23.410 --> 01:06:24.243
Mr. Maynard?
1109
01:06:24.243 --> 01:06:25.653
Amendment...
1110
01:06:25.653 --> 01:06:28.820
Madam Chair, you can see the rationale on this one,
1111
01:06:28.820 --> 01:06:32.237
but the motion is to strike the language,
1112
01:06:33.467 --> 01:06:35.713
at least one week prior to the posting deadline
1113
01:06:35.713 --> 01:06:37.872
for the board meeting at which the resolution
1114
01:06:37.872 --> 01:06:40.278
is to be considered, and insert not less
1115
01:06:40.278 --> 01:06:42.751
than four weeks before the Monday,
1116
01:06:42.751 --> 01:06:45.728
I'm going to change this just a little bit.
1117
01:06:45.728 --> 01:06:48.320
The Monday of board meeting week.
1118
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.865
Oh, yeah.
1119
01:06:49.865 --> 01:06:50.698
Okay.
1120
01:06:52.150 --> 01:06:56.317
During which the resolution is to be considered.
1121
01:07:00.871 --> 01:07:03.138
And everybody can see the rationale there.
1122
01:07:03.138 --> 01:07:06.083
It's kind of a convoluted thing that we say now.
1123
01:07:06.083 --> 01:07:07.609
So this is trying to bring some clarity
1124
01:07:07.609 --> 01:07:10.119
to that particular amendment.
1125
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:11.561
Any objection?
1126
01:07:11.561 --> 01:07:12.644
Hearing none.
1127
01:07:16.067 --> 01:07:21.067
The next amendment is on the main packet, it's on SBOE-10.
1128
01:07:21.164 --> 01:07:21.997
Madam Chair,
1129
01:07:21.997 --> 01:07:23.697
I have, there's one more in that section.
1130
01:07:23.697 --> 01:07:24.773
Oh, okay.
1131
01:07:24.773 --> 01:07:26.167
Oh, I'm sorry.
1132
01:07:26.167 --> 01:07:29.636
And on 2.9-B, strike the board
1133
01:07:29.636 --> 01:07:32.584
made by unanimous consent pass a congratulatory,
1134
01:07:32.584 --> 01:07:35.348
commendatory, or other non-substantive resolution
1135
01:07:35.348 --> 01:07:38.785
without the notice required by this section,
1136
01:07:38.785 --> 01:07:42.324
and insert titles for congratulatory,
1137
01:07:42.324 --> 01:07:45.744
commendatory, or other non-substantive resolutions
1138
01:07:45.744 --> 01:07:48.052
shall be submitted by the timelines prescribed
1139
01:07:48.052 --> 01:07:49.732
in this section with resolution text
1140
01:07:49.732 --> 01:07:52.187
following at a date and time consistent
1141
01:07:52.187 --> 01:07:56.354
with the staff's pre-meeting preparation timeline.
1142
01:07:59.156 --> 01:08:00.999
So, somebody speak to the issue,
1143
01:08:00.999 --> 01:08:03.928
so actually the posting deadline,
1144
01:08:03.928 --> 01:08:07.559
whether it is a resolution dealing with policy
1145
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:11.231
or whether it is a congratulatory resolution
1146
01:08:11.231 --> 01:08:14.598
of some kind, the posting deadline is actually the same.
1147
01:08:14.598 --> 01:08:19.598
The difference is that any time that we have a resolution
1148
01:08:20.082 --> 01:08:23.828
dealing with policy, there's really two purposes.
1149
01:08:23.828 --> 01:08:27.228
One is posting and production by the staff,
1150
01:08:27.228 --> 01:08:29.244
the other one is to allow the board itself
1151
01:08:29.244 --> 01:08:31.724
to have some time to reflect and to consider
1152
01:08:31.724 --> 01:08:34.840
the content of that particular resolution.
1153
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:38.340
In the case of a sort of a non-substantive
1154
01:08:40.670 --> 01:08:42.841
congratulatory resolution, that's probably
1155
01:08:42.841 --> 01:08:45.091
not terribly controversial,
1156
01:08:46.375 --> 01:08:48.510
the staff at the very least needs the title for that,
1157
01:08:48.510 --> 01:08:49.842
because they have to post it
1158
01:08:49.842 --> 01:08:52.331
and then as long as whoever's doing that
1159
01:08:52.331 --> 01:08:54.811
gets the text to them in some sort of time
1160
01:08:54.811 --> 01:08:57.322
where they can get it into production, it's fine.
1161
01:08:57.322 --> 01:08:58.655
That's the idea.
1162
01:09:02.206 --> 01:09:03.206
So what...
1163
01:09:04.289 --> 01:09:07.952
In that instance, so, if we had a school
1164
01:09:07.952 --> 01:09:10.326
in our district that won a blue ribbon,
1165
01:09:10.326 --> 01:09:13.626
we could submit language, send a resolution
1166
01:09:13.626 --> 01:09:15.415
as member of the State Board,
1167
01:09:15.415 --> 01:09:16.942
on behalf of the State Board,
1168
01:09:16.942 --> 01:09:19.740
in the congratulatory sense to that entity
1169
01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:24.490
or in situations like that, is that what they enable us--
1170
01:09:25.791 --> 01:09:26.816
Right now we can't do that, right,
1171
01:09:26.816 --> 01:09:29.250
we can send a certificate, but we can't,
1172
01:09:29.250 --> 01:09:33.815
I don't think we do resolutions, 'cause they have a process.
1173
01:09:33.815 --> 01:09:37.696
Right, so if you were going to do a resolution,
1174
01:09:37.696 --> 01:09:41.029
or propose a resolution for a, you know,
1175
01:09:42.217 --> 01:09:43.966
somebody in your district and that sort of thing,
1176
01:09:43.966 --> 01:09:47.864
that's a congratulatory, it still has to be posted.
1177
01:09:47.864 --> 01:09:50.175
And so what it would require you to do is that,
1178
01:09:50.175 --> 01:09:54.298
well, you have to notify, it has to get on the agenda.
1179
01:09:54.298 --> 01:09:56.102
The agenda has to be approved by the board
1180
01:09:56.102 --> 01:09:58.896
and it has to be posted by the staff.
1181
01:09:58.896 --> 01:10:01.271
So you still need to do that four weeks out.
1182
01:10:01.271 --> 01:10:03.571
As far as the actual text of that,
1183
01:10:03.571 --> 01:10:06.610
as long as you get it into the staff at a time
1184
01:10:06.610 --> 01:10:10.777
that works in their production schedule it's fine.
1185
01:10:12.248 --> 01:10:14.529
But that particular resolution is an example
1186
01:10:14.529 --> 01:10:16.112
that I just made.
1187
01:10:16.112 --> 01:10:19.980
It doesn't have to be read on the Friday morning.
1188
01:10:19.980 --> 01:10:23.162
Are you allowing for, is your language
1189
01:10:23.162 --> 01:10:24.735
allowing for that sort of thing,
1190
01:10:24.735 --> 01:10:26.852
or does every resolution have to be read
1191
01:10:26.852 --> 01:10:29.435
on the Friday morning up there?
1192
01:10:31.413 --> 01:10:33.062
Let me try to clarify that.
1193
01:10:33.062 --> 01:10:35.865
This language would deal with resolutions
1194
01:10:35.865 --> 01:10:38.669
that are being adopted by the whole board.
1195
01:10:38.669 --> 01:10:41.038
If you were doing something as an individual member,
1196
01:10:41.038 --> 01:10:44.032
it wouldn't come under this rule.
1197
01:10:44.032 --> 01:10:47.698
This is if we were adopting a resolution
1198
01:10:47.698 --> 01:10:49.531
like you do on Friday.
1199
01:10:51.783 --> 01:10:54.138
And just for my clarification,
1200
01:10:54.138 --> 01:10:55.743
and maybe I'm misunderstanding,
1201
01:10:55.743 --> 01:10:58.538
but I was always told that individually
1202
01:10:58.538 --> 01:11:01.570
in our own district we weren't able to do resolutions.
1203
01:11:01.570 --> 01:11:05.461
Just certificates and that sort of thing.
1204
01:11:05.461 --> 01:11:07.428
And so I like where you're going with it,
1205
01:11:07.428 --> 01:11:11.636
but having the opportunity to issue a resolution
1206
01:11:11.636 --> 01:11:14.888
to somebody who won some big accolade
1207
01:11:14.888 --> 01:11:18.145
or award or recognition, I think that would be important,
1208
01:11:18.145 --> 01:11:21.663
but without bogging the board making sure
1209
01:11:21.663 --> 01:11:24.163
it had to be read on a Friday.
1210
01:11:26.981 --> 01:11:29.172
This is only dealing with things before the board.
1211
01:11:29.172 --> 01:11:30.421
Resolutions before the board
1212
01:11:30.421 --> 01:11:32.642
that the entire board would be behind.
1213
01:11:32.642 --> 01:11:33.475
Madam Chair?
1214
01:11:33.475 --> 01:11:35.860
It would be read on a Friday.
1215
01:11:35.860 --> 01:11:36.711
We don't have a process for what I...
1216
01:11:36.711 --> 01:11:37.942
Madam Chair?
1217
01:11:37.942 --> 01:11:40.034
No, well, we do, but it's individually.
1218
01:11:40.034 --> 01:11:40.982
But not as a resolution.
1219
01:11:40.982 --> 01:11:43.457
Not as a resolution that the entire board considers.
1220
01:11:43.457 --> 01:11:44.290
Madam Chair?
1221
01:11:44.290 --> 01:11:45.123
Currently.
1222
01:11:45.123 --> 01:11:45.956
Yes, Mr. Maynard?
1223
01:11:45.956 --> 01:11:46.789
Yeah, if I could just add,
1224
01:11:46.789 --> 01:11:49.413
just to answer your question,
1225
01:11:49.413 --> 01:11:51.784
how legislators normally handle that
1226
01:11:51.784 --> 01:11:54.623
during the interim is that they issue
1227
01:11:54.623 --> 01:11:57.264
a proclamation rather than a resolution.
1228
01:11:57.264 --> 01:11:59.231
And so if you as a board member
1229
01:11:59.231 --> 01:12:03.127
wanted to issue a proclamation proclaiming something,
1230
01:12:03.127 --> 01:12:03.960
you know, that can be done
1231
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.264
without any sort of action whatsoever.
1232
01:12:06.264 --> 01:12:07.097
Right.
1233
01:12:09.371 --> 01:12:11.227
Yeah, they have standard language
1234
01:12:11.227 --> 01:12:12.667
and things that they do, yeah.
1235
01:12:12.667 --> 01:12:15.043
But again, that's individual board members.
1236
01:12:15.043 --> 01:12:16.415
With any kind of recognition.
1237
01:12:16.415 --> 01:12:20.332
Any other questions about that particular item?
1238
01:12:21.457 --> 01:12:22.707
Any objections?
1239
01:12:23.688 --> 01:12:24.521
Hearing none.
1240
01:12:24.521 --> 01:12:26.719
We'll go ahead and make that amendment.
1241
01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:28.969
Thank you, Mr. Maynard.
1242
01:12:28.969 --> 01:12:32.052
Is that, is he at the next one, or...
1243
01:12:33.508 --> 01:12:36.868
I believe the next one is on SBOE-10.
1244
01:12:36.868 --> 01:12:38.799
And it's a staff recommendation,
1245
01:12:38.799 --> 01:12:42.382
it deals with deleting registration by fax.
1246
01:12:44.254 --> 01:12:46.145
I haven't gone back to count the months,
1247
01:12:46.145 --> 01:12:47.297
but I'd say over the past year
1248
01:12:47.297 --> 01:12:51.809
I'd estimate we got no more than five submissions by fax.
1249
01:12:51.809 --> 01:12:55.056
And so we think it's time to go ahead
1250
01:12:55.056 --> 01:12:56.438
and delete fax, they'd still be able
1251
01:12:56.438 --> 01:13:00.021
to register online, by phone, or in person.
1252
01:13:02.709 --> 01:13:04.427
Telegrams, yeah. (laughs)
1253
01:13:04.427 --> 01:13:05.812
We don't take telegrams.
1254
01:13:05.812 --> 01:13:08.166
Any objections?
1255
01:13:08.166 --> 01:13:08.999
Okay.
1256
01:13:08.999 --> 01:13:09.832
SBOE-10.
1257
01:13:11.724 --> 01:13:16.194
And right at the very top of the page, the first--
1258
01:13:16.194 --> 01:13:21.194
The top page numbers are all different...
1259
01:13:21.363 --> 01:13:22.196
2.10-B1.
1260
01:13:28.244 --> 01:13:30.827
Any other discussion on that?
1261
01:13:31.848 --> 01:13:32.681
Okay.
1262
01:13:38.123 --> 01:13:39.117
Yeah, go ahead and--
1263
01:13:39.117 --> 01:13:40.968
In my district there are quite a few people
1264
01:13:40.968 --> 01:13:43.452
who just simply don't have access to wi-fi
1265
01:13:43.452 --> 01:13:44.979
and if they want something in writing
1266
01:13:44.979 --> 01:13:47.529
and they want a read receipt or return receipt,
1267
01:13:47.529 --> 01:13:49.612
faxes is the only option.
1268
01:13:53.038 --> 01:13:54.253
And so I don't know why we would want
1269
01:13:54.253 --> 01:13:57.233
to eliminate that large portion of Texas
1270
01:13:57.233 --> 01:13:59.483
and eliminate their ability
1271
01:14:01.673 --> 01:14:06.673
to send something in writing that they know was received.
1272
01:14:07.067 --> 01:14:10.555
And if it's only five in a year,
1273
01:14:10.555 --> 01:14:14.919
I mean, if those five, or is it cumbersome,
1274
01:14:14.919 --> 01:14:16.611
is it difficult to monitor,
1275
01:14:16.611 --> 01:14:18.612
does it cause a problem with staff?
1276
01:14:18.612 --> 01:14:20.480
It's not difficult to monitor,
1277
01:14:20.480 --> 01:14:23.025
they come in to our computer just like an email,
1278
01:14:23.025 --> 01:14:25.762
we just looked at it as a way to save a little money
1279
01:14:25.762 --> 01:14:27.327
if we got rid of the fax line.
1280
01:14:27.327 --> 01:14:29.082
But it's not a whole lot of money,
1281
01:14:29.082 --> 01:14:32.665
so if you want to keep it we certainly can.
1282
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:36.068
All right members, all those in favor
1283
01:14:36.068 --> 01:14:40.818
of eliminating the fax as an option to register, say aye.
1284
01:14:43.529 --> 01:14:45.779
All those in favor say nay.
1285
01:14:46.636 --> 01:14:48.277
All those opposed, yeah, sorry.
1286
01:14:48.277 --> 01:14:50.174
All those opposed say no.
1287
01:14:50.174 --> 01:14:51.007
(multiple responses)
1288
01:14:51.007 --> 01:14:52.334
Okay, we're not changing it.
1289
01:14:52.334 --> 01:14:54.509
We'll keep the fax line.
1290
01:14:54.509 --> 01:14:55.490
All right.
1291
01:14:55.490 --> 01:14:58.784
The next change is right below that,
1292
01:14:58.784 --> 01:15:01.867
we're suggesting striking number two,
1293
01:15:02.901 --> 01:15:05.511
before we went to an online registration system,
1294
01:15:05.511 --> 01:15:07.429
there would be typically four offices
1295
01:15:07.429 --> 01:15:09.812
that would take public registration
1296
01:15:09.812 --> 01:15:12.721
depending on what committee they wanted to testify before.
1297
01:15:12.721 --> 01:15:15.010
Now our office handles them all.
1298
01:15:15.010 --> 01:15:18.127
And so we don't need that sentence anymore,
1299
01:15:18.127 --> 01:15:20.951
and then we'd renumber after that.
1300
01:15:20.951 --> 01:15:23.117
Any objection to that change?
1301
01:15:23.117 --> 01:15:24.886
Hearing none.
1302
01:15:24.886 --> 01:15:25.719
All right.
1303
01:15:26.872 --> 01:15:29.535
The next change is on that same page,
1304
01:15:29.535 --> 01:15:33.585
C-2, and you're going to see a similar change
1305
01:15:33.585 --> 01:15:38.079
proposed multiple places throughout the document.
1306
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.690
Now when people sign up to give public testimony,
1307
01:15:40.690 --> 01:15:43.033
your standard time is three minutes.
1308
01:15:43.033 --> 01:15:46.620
But as you know, for the last ten or 15 years,
1309
01:15:46.620 --> 01:15:49.359
probably at least, if you have large crowds
1310
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:51.549
like you had with social studies,
1311
01:15:51.549 --> 01:15:54.908
we tend to take the time down to two minutes per person
1312
01:15:54.908 --> 01:15:58.497
as part of an effort to hear everybody that signed up.
1313
01:15:58.497 --> 01:16:00.035
And so we thought it might be better
1314
01:16:00.035 --> 01:16:03.181
if we had a consistent time and then
1315
01:16:03.181 --> 01:16:06.253
if they needed more time, it's probably easier
1316
01:16:06.253 --> 01:16:11.086
to award more time than to take time away from the public.
1317
01:16:12.237 --> 01:16:14.444
So this would be an attempt to have a standard time
1318
01:16:14.444 --> 01:16:16.964
that's more in keeping with our practice.
1319
01:16:16.964 --> 01:16:19.870
And then we could add time if we needed to,
1320
01:16:19.870 --> 01:16:22.551
and as you know, members, you can always extend
1321
01:16:22.551 --> 01:16:24.771
a testimony by asking questions
1322
01:16:24.771 --> 01:16:27.346
and that sort of thing of the testifier.
1323
01:16:27.346 --> 01:16:29.312
So it always does extend the time
1324
01:16:29.312 --> 01:16:31.591
if needed for any particular testifier.
1325
01:16:31.591 --> 01:16:32.924
Yes, Mr. Mercer.
1326
01:16:34.093 --> 01:16:34.968
Thank you, Madam Chair, members,
1327
01:16:34.968 --> 01:16:36.438
I understand the point of this,
1328
01:16:36.438 --> 01:16:38.702
but I have to vote against this.
1329
01:16:38.702 --> 01:16:40.260
I just can't handle people driving across
1330
01:16:40.260 --> 01:16:42.538
from El Paso to Valley and tell 'em
1331
01:16:42.538 --> 01:16:45.115
thank you for being here, you only get two minutes to talk.
1332
01:16:45.115 --> 01:16:46.669
People who wait here all day and wait
1333
01:16:46.669 --> 01:16:48.496
to come back from lunch and we give 'em two minutes,
1334
01:16:48.496 --> 01:16:49.685
I'd rather keep it at three.
1335
01:16:49.685 --> 01:16:52.038
If we decide in a meeting with a large crowd
1336
01:16:52.038 --> 01:16:53.489
to change that the opposite way,
1337
01:16:53.489 --> 01:16:54.901
I can understand, but I prefer,
1338
01:16:54.901 --> 01:16:58.128
I would be embarrassed to tell someone
1339
01:16:58.128 --> 01:17:00.966
thanks for driving all this way on your own time,
1340
01:17:00.966 --> 01:17:01.945
you get two minutes.
1341
01:17:01.945 --> 01:17:03.619
I would speaking against the motion
1342
01:17:03.619 --> 01:17:06.759
and I'd rather keep it three, thank you.
1343
01:17:06.759 --> 01:17:08.801
Any other discussion, yes Ms. Cargill?
1344
01:17:08.801 --> 01:17:11.579
On the other hand, as a former testifier,
1345
01:17:11.579 --> 01:17:13.670
because I came and testified to the board
1346
01:17:13.670 --> 01:17:17.391
before I ran for science textbooks,
1347
01:17:17.391 --> 01:17:18.662
and I mean I had my speech down
1348
01:17:18.662 --> 01:17:20.291
to two minutes and 59 seconds
1349
01:17:20.291 --> 01:17:23.063
with a science experiment in it.
1350
01:17:23.063 --> 01:17:24.406
Involving a magnet.
1351
01:17:24.406 --> 01:17:27.823
And so, if I had done all that, you know,
1352
01:17:30.609 --> 01:17:32.470
two minutes 59, and then I was told two minutes,
1353
01:17:32.470 --> 01:17:34.123
I would have been freaking out,
1354
01:17:34.123 --> 01:17:36.698
so I understand totally what you're saying,
1355
01:17:36.698 --> 01:17:38.558
but I think I'd rather be told the two minutes
1356
01:17:38.558 --> 01:17:43.064
and get more than walk in and be told no, you don't have.
1357
01:17:43.064 --> 01:17:44.540
Anyway, the three minutes.
1358
01:17:44.540 --> 01:17:46.723
Yes, Mr. Rowley.
1359
01:17:46.723 --> 01:17:48.972
I agree with Member Mercer on this.
1360
01:17:48.972 --> 01:17:50.954
I think three minutes is,
1361
01:17:50.954 --> 01:17:53.954
the big issue is us asking questions
1362
01:17:54.865 --> 01:17:58.330
and making our speeches and statements
1363
01:17:58.330 --> 01:18:02.823
during testimony time, if we could refrain from doing that.
1364
01:18:02.823 --> 01:18:06.234
One more minute of testimony is not going to make
1365
01:18:06.234 --> 01:18:08.975
a dramatic difference, so I personally am in favor
1366
01:18:08.975 --> 01:18:10.800
of three minutes worth of testimony.
1367
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.227
It's pretty tough to say anything in two minutes.
1368
01:18:13.227 --> 01:18:16.477
As a lawyer, politician, former pastor,
1369
01:18:18.056 --> 01:18:19.949
I couldn't do anything in two minutes.
1370
01:18:19.949 --> 01:18:20.782
(laughter)
1371
01:18:20.782 --> 01:18:23.576
As I just evidenced by this comment
1372
01:18:23.576 --> 01:18:26.539
that would take me two and a half minutes.
1373
01:18:26.539 --> 01:18:27.372
So.
1374
01:18:29.014 --> 01:18:29.878
Where do we,
1375
01:18:29.878 --> 01:18:33.806
do we have other rules in terms of X number of speakers
1376
01:18:33.806 --> 01:18:38.223
per topic or you get certain number of minutes total?
1377
01:18:41.271 --> 01:18:43.192
We do have that as a could, you know,
1378
01:18:43.192 --> 01:18:44.519
where you set the limit, I mean,
1379
01:18:44.519 --> 01:18:46.540
we have that in our rule where you can set the limit,
1380
01:18:46.540 --> 01:18:47.660
but we've just not done it.
1381
01:18:47.660 --> 01:18:48.493
The reason I ask is that I think
1382
01:18:48.493 --> 01:18:49.358
most ISD school boards have--
1383
01:18:49.358 --> 01:18:50.752
Yeah, they do, that's true.
1384
01:18:50.752 --> 01:18:54.015
I mean, I think hearings at HISD that I listen to,
1385
01:18:54.015 --> 01:18:57.160
they're a minute, you know, for hearings
1386
01:18:57.160 --> 01:19:01.691
and I think a lot of local trustees are two minutes.
1387
01:19:01.691 --> 01:19:03.774
Or at least I've heard...
1388
01:19:06.859 --> 01:19:08.907
Okay, let's go ahead and take a vote on this,
1389
01:19:08.907 --> 01:19:11.925
all those in favor of modifying it to two minutes
1390
01:19:11.925 --> 01:19:13.949
as our standard time limit
1391
01:19:13.949 --> 01:19:16.347
that would be in our rules, say aye.
1392
01:19:16.347 --> 01:19:17.226
(multiple responses)
1393
01:19:17.226 --> 01:19:18.756
All those opposed say no.
1394
01:19:18.756 --> 01:19:19.589
(multiple responses)
1395
01:19:19.589 --> 01:19:21.683
All those, let's hold our hands up.
1396
01:19:21.683 --> 01:19:23.464
All those in favor of changing it
1397
01:19:23.464 --> 01:19:28.464
to two minutes as the standard time limit, raise your hands.
1398
01:19:29.647 --> 01:19:32.307
All those in favor of, or not in favor
1399
01:19:32.307 --> 01:19:35.037
of that, raise your hands.
1400
01:19:35.037 --> 01:19:36.454
All the, opposed.
1401
01:19:38.229 --> 01:19:40.661
Great, okay, so motion is defeated.
1402
01:19:40.661 --> 01:19:41.494
All right.
1403
01:19:41.494 --> 01:19:42.327
Moving on.
1404
01:19:42.327 --> 01:19:43.160
Chair, how does that affect
1405
01:19:43.160 --> 01:19:46.309
when the Chair does make it two minutes?
1406
01:19:46.309 --> 01:19:48.309
Yeah, I mean, I think we just keep it
1407
01:19:48.309 --> 01:19:52.200
as standard practice we've been doing.
1408
01:19:52.200 --> 01:19:55.151
Or could, if we think it's a controversial,
1409
01:19:55.151 --> 01:19:56.582
or one that we think a lot of people
1410
01:19:56.582 --> 01:19:58.926
are going to come talk about,
1411
01:19:58.926 --> 01:20:02.264
could it say it on the online registration?
1412
01:20:02.264 --> 01:20:03.681
So Madam Chair?
1413
01:20:04.865 --> 01:20:06.505
It's Monica.
1414
01:20:06.505 --> 01:20:09.618
So I'm not sure that it's clear that with,
1415
01:20:09.618 --> 01:20:11.136
for the last several years,
1416
01:20:11.136 --> 01:20:12.788
for all of your items where you are going
1417
01:20:12.788 --> 01:20:15.503
to have a large number of testifiers,
1418
01:20:15.503 --> 01:20:17.056
it has been two minutes.
1419
01:20:17.056 --> 01:20:21.268
And notice was provided in advance in all of the postings.
1420
01:20:21.268 --> 01:20:23.351
So this really came from,
1421
01:20:24.237 --> 01:20:26.522
because the items already have lots of folks
1422
01:20:26.522 --> 01:20:27.754
who want to come testify,
1423
01:20:27.754 --> 01:20:31.190
they have been two minutes for the last several years.
1424
01:20:31.190 --> 01:20:32.853
That creates some confusion,
1425
01:20:32.853 --> 01:20:36.199
particularly in your smaller committees,
1426
01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:38.071
when the question becomes,
1427
01:20:38.071 --> 01:20:40.302
should it be two minutes or three minutes?
1428
01:20:40.302 --> 01:20:43.152
So this was an attempt to standardize
1429
01:20:43.152 --> 01:20:46.427
that because that is a decision that the chair
1430
01:20:46.427 --> 01:20:49.233
has been able to and has made
1431
01:20:49.233 --> 01:20:52.487
and for all of your items where you've had
1432
01:20:52.487 --> 01:20:53.834
any number of testifiers
1433
01:20:53.834 --> 01:20:57.917
that would be significant, it's been two minutes.
1434
01:21:00.992 --> 01:21:03.129
What I've seen at some of the local ISDs
1435
01:21:03.129 --> 01:21:07.181
now have language that says if you have in excess
1436
01:21:07.181 --> 01:21:10.768
of 30 testifiers or 40 testifiers,
1437
01:21:10.768 --> 01:21:12.765
then it'd be a modified time,
1438
01:21:12.765 --> 01:21:14.104
and then they'll be told in advance,
1439
01:21:14.104 --> 01:21:16.033
that way there's, it doesn't happen
1440
01:21:16.033 --> 01:21:18.747
the minute they arrive in here.
1441
01:21:18.747 --> 01:21:20.911
I'd be amenable to something like that
1442
01:21:20.911 --> 01:21:23.308
where we can put language in there
1443
01:21:23.308 --> 01:21:27.391
where if we know, you know, if we've got over 50,
1444
01:21:28.664 --> 01:21:30.754
you know, but if you've got ten,
1445
01:21:30.754 --> 01:21:33.406
why are we going to tell them two minutes, you know.
1446
01:21:33.406 --> 01:21:34.363
But if there's a certain number
1447
01:21:34.363 --> 01:21:35.664
and we know it's going to carry on
1448
01:21:35.664 --> 01:21:38.008
for ten hours, then maybe--
1449
01:21:38.008 --> 01:21:40.969
If you'd like to make an amendment right now,
1450
01:21:40.969 --> 01:21:42.775
I mean, we've voted on this.
1451
01:21:42.775 --> 01:21:45.298
So Madam, parliamentary question to point of order,
1452
01:21:45.298 --> 01:21:46.393
we already voted on this issue,
1453
01:21:46.393 --> 01:21:47.700
we've already debated and voted on this,
1454
01:21:47.700 --> 01:21:49.867
why are we discussing now?
1455
01:21:51.881 --> 01:21:53.696
(laughs) 'Cause Ms.--
1456
01:21:53.696 --> 01:21:55.776
(no audio)
1457
01:21:55.776 --> 01:21:56.609
Okay.
1458
01:21:56.609 --> 01:22:00.818
So we're going to go ahead and keep on going.
1459
01:22:00.818 --> 01:22:02.835
Okay, what's the next...
1460
01:22:02.835 --> 01:22:06.085
The next amendment is on SBOE-11 D-1,
1461
01:22:09.285 --> 01:22:11.148
when you had a printed agenda,
1462
01:22:11.148 --> 01:22:13.480
your information pages were yellow.
1463
01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:15.565
Now as an electronic agenda,
1464
01:22:15.565 --> 01:22:18.151
they're just white, so we're saying
1465
01:22:18.151 --> 01:22:21.199
strike the reference to yellow pages.
1466
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:22.850
Any objection to that amendment?
1467
01:22:22.850 --> 01:22:23.933
Hearing none.
1468
01:22:25.868 --> 01:22:26.701
Next.
1469
01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:30.927
It's D-2 on that same page.
1470
01:22:30.927 --> 01:22:31.812
It sounds like we ought to skip
1471
01:22:31.812 --> 01:22:34.814
the first proposal and stick with the three minutes.
1472
01:22:34.814 --> 01:22:35.647
Right.
1473
01:22:35.647 --> 01:22:37.981
There is another amendment that says,
1474
01:22:37.981 --> 01:22:40.770
that just tries to clarify some language
1475
01:22:40.770 --> 01:22:43.748
that it would, it's proposed as a responses
1476
01:22:43.748 --> 01:22:45.681
to questions from board members
1477
01:22:45.681 --> 01:22:47.839
shall not be counted against the time allotted
1478
01:22:47.839 --> 01:22:50.006
for oral public testimony.
1479
01:22:52.122 --> 01:22:53.988
Any objection to that clarification,
1480
01:22:53.988 --> 01:22:57.771
we think that sentence is worded better.
1481
01:22:57.771 --> 01:22:58.604
Any objection?
1482
01:22:58.604 --> 01:22:59.854
Yes, Ms. Perez?
1483
01:23:01.162 --> 01:23:02.930
Testimony invited by board members,
1484
01:23:02.930 --> 01:23:06.445
does this mean we're not inviting people anymore?
1485
01:23:06.445 --> 01:23:07.947
Because that's what's stricken.
1486
01:23:07.947 --> 01:23:11.197
(indistinct responses)
1487
01:23:18.803 --> 01:23:19.636
Right.
1488
01:23:22.035 --> 01:23:23.996
So it says responses to questions
1489
01:23:23.996 --> 01:23:25.334
from board members shall not
1490
01:23:25.334 --> 01:23:27.187
be counted against the time allotted.
1491
01:23:27.187 --> 01:23:31.295
But what's stricken is testimony invited by board members.
1492
01:23:31.295 --> 01:23:34.387
So are we saying we're not inviting testimony?
1493
01:23:34.387 --> 01:23:37.974
We're striking it, so is that what we're doing?
1494
01:23:37.974 --> 01:23:40.681
We're trying to say what this sentence
1495
01:23:40.681 --> 01:23:42.889
was supposed to get, 'cause I've had this conversation,
1496
01:23:42.889 --> 01:23:46.161
I said I don't even know what this is talking about.
1497
01:23:46.161 --> 01:23:49.244
And Debbie said that as she recalled,
1498
01:23:50.273 --> 01:23:52.459
this sentence was about that
1499
01:23:52.459 --> 01:23:55.176
you're not going to count against the testifier
1500
01:23:55.176 --> 01:23:58.593
that questions that a board member asked,
1501
01:24:00.304 --> 01:24:01.598
that that's part of the two minutes,
1502
01:24:01.598 --> 01:24:03.768
she said that it didn't say that.
1503
01:24:03.768 --> 01:24:05.095
But that was the intent.
1504
01:24:05.095 --> 01:24:08.273
Madam Chair, I don't think that's right.
1505
01:24:08.273 --> 01:24:11.582
The intent of that language as currently written was,
1506
01:24:11.582 --> 01:24:13.432
there are times for example,
1507
01:24:13.432 --> 01:24:16.577
your text review advisors that used
1508
01:24:16.577 --> 01:24:19.119
to be expert reviewers for example
1509
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:21.929
were considered invited testimony
1510
01:24:21.929 --> 01:24:23.992
as opposed to public testimony,
1511
01:24:23.992 --> 01:24:26.187
and this language intended to say,
1512
01:24:26.187 --> 01:24:28.712
if you have certain folks who have been invited,
1513
01:24:28.712 --> 01:24:32.540
that it wouldn't count against that 30 minutes.
1514
01:24:32.540 --> 01:24:35.134
That's what the original language,
1515
01:24:35.134 --> 01:24:38.128
this talks about 30 minutes will be allocated
1516
01:24:38.128 --> 01:24:42.206
for oral public testimony excluding questions
1517
01:24:42.206 --> 01:24:44.545
and the sentence as currently written
1518
01:24:44.545 --> 01:24:47.329
was put in there so that if you had folks,
1519
01:24:47.329 --> 01:24:49.662
like your text review committee members,
1520
01:24:49.662 --> 01:24:51.517
workgroup members, or advisors,
1521
01:24:51.517 --> 01:24:55.517
those individuals would not count against that 30 minutes.
1522
01:24:55.517 --> 01:24:58.259
So this adjustment is actually changing
1523
01:24:58.259 --> 01:25:01.926
the meaning of what was originally intended.
1524
01:25:07.209 --> 01:25:09.255
No adjustment needed.
1525
01:25:09.255 --> 01:25:11.109
Yeah, just going back to the original.
1526
01:25:11.109 --> 01:25:12.714
Any objection to that?
1527
01:25:12.714 --> 01:25:14.047
Yes, Mr. Rowley.
1528
01:25:15.450 --> 01:25:16.978
Clarifying question in that regard,
1529
01:25:16.978 --> 01:25:19.522
so I guess for Monica so,
1530
01:25:19.522 --> 01:25:22.189
there are currently in our rules
1531
01:25:23.065 --> 01:25:26.749
the ability or a restriction of oral public testimony
1532
01:25:26.749 --> 01:25:31.534
on any particular item to be limited to 30 minutes?
1533
01:25:31.534 --> 01:25:35.697
So your rule currently says that 30 minutes
1534
01:25:35.697 --> 01:25:39.290
are to be allotted, I have not known
1535
01:25:39.290 --> 01:25:42.298
this board to ever stick to the 30 minutes,
1536
01:25:42.298 --> 01:25:44.429
but you are correct, that this rule
1537
01:25:44.429 --> 01:25:49.184
would establish 30 minutes for public testimony on an item.
1538
01:25:49.184 --> 01:25:52.844
And is that only for meetings of the full board?
1539
01:25:52.844 --> 01:25:57.261
Or is it also meetings of the committee of the board?
1540
01:26:02.632 --> 01:26:04.733
So is the general meeting, is that--
1541
01:26:04.733 --> 01:26:07.793
Yeah, it's at the beginning of each Friday meeting.
1542
01:26:07.793 --> 01:26:08.884
Yes, Friday.
1543
01:26:08.884 --> 01:26:12.568
Friday but not Tuesday or Wednesday, okay.
1544
01:26:12.568 --> 01:26:14.493
That would not apply to public hearings.
1545
01:26:14.493 --> 01:26:16.743
(no audio)
1546
01:26:17.849 --> 01:26:20.692
Any other, any objections to that,
1547
01:26:20.692 --> 01:26:23.545
we're withdrawing that amendment.
1548
01:26:23.545 --> 01:26:24.378
Okay.
1549
01:26:24.378 --> 01:26:25.461
Hearing none.
1550
01:26:26.741 --> 01:26:30.491
I believe the next amendment is on SBOE-12,
1551
01:26:30.491 --> 01:26:33.158
and I think Mr. Maynard has one.
1552
01:26:34.072 --> 01:26:35.445
On B.
1553
01:26:35.445 --> 01:26:38.229
Madam Chair, the motion
1554
01:26:38.229 --> 01:26:41.961
then is to strike established by agency officers
1555
01:26:41.961 --> 01:26:43.285
responsible for the subject matter
1556
01:26:43.285 --> 01:26:46.285
and insert set out in section 210-B.
1557
01:26:49.105 --> 01:26:50.528
I can speak to the motion.
1558
01:26:50.528 --> 01:26:51.361
Yes.
1559
01:26:51.361 --> 01:26:52.578
Essentially we had a conflict in the rules
1560
01:26:52.578 --> 01:26:55.774
is that on one place it said that the staff
1561
01:26:55.774 --> 01:26:58.038
basically did that and didn't we,
1562
01:26:58.038 --> 01:27:01.133
in the rules itself we had registration procedures,
1563
01:27:01.133 --> 01:27:02.420
and so we needed to strike that
1564
01:27:02.420 --> 01:27:06.263
and just reference that section of the rules.
1565
01:27:06.263 --> 01:27:09.216
This is again some clean-up.
1566
01:27:09.216 --> 01:27:11.633
Any objection to that change?
1567
01:27:12.687 --> 01:27:13.770
Hearing none.
1568
01:27:15.610 --> 01:27:16.943
All right, next.
1569
01:27:19.528 --> 01:27:22.835
The next amendment is on the bottom of SBOE-12,
1570
01:27:22.835 --> 01:27:26.413
it's 2.13, it deals with public comments
1571
01:27:26.413 --> 01:27:29.466
regarding proposed rule-making.
1572
01:27:29.466 --> 01:27:33.049
And Monica may want to comment on this one.
1573
01:27:35.051 --> 01:27:37.740
Yeah, Monica, why don't you bring that up?
1574
01:27:37.740 --> 01:27:40.073
Yes, so the Texas register
1575
01:27:41.057 --> 01:27:45.661
requires that you have a 30-day public comment period.
1576
01:27:45.661 --> 01:27:50.135
Historically, because you don't meet that frequently,
1577
01:27:50.135 --> 01:27:53.703
we continued to receive and summarize comments
1578
01:27:53.703 --> 01:27:56.637
for you all the way up to the board meeting.
1579
01:27:56.637 --> 01:27:58.393
There have been instances where this
1580
01:27:58.393 --> 01:28:01.558
has proven problematic where you get
1581
01:28:01.558 --> 01:28:04.891
very lengthy comments when we're already
1582
01:28:05.725 --> 01:28:07.576
down here in the meeting.
1583
01:28:07.576 --> 01:28:10.545
I think one of the examples that many folks remember
1584
01:28:10.545 --> 01:28:14.113
is that a multi-page document recommending
1585
01:28:14.113 --> 01:28:16.806
a variety of additional amendments
1586
01:28:16.806 --> 01:28:18.951
when you were doing science streamlining that
1587
01:28:18.951 --> 01:28:20.834
it was difficult for any of you
1588
01:28:20.834 --> 01:28:23.751
to really seriously consider and so
1589
01:28:24.618 --> 01:28:27.103
we felt like if we set out in the rule
1590
01:28:27.103 --> 01:28:30.376
and started to provide notice that there will be
1591
01:28:30.376 --> 01:28:32.663
a deadline for those comments,
1592
01:28:32.663 --> 01:28:35.838
that would enable us to be able to get all,
1593
01:28:35.838 --> 01:28:37.754
gather all that information and get it
1594
01:28:37.754 --> 01:28:40.889
to you and give you at least a little bit
1595
01:28:40.889 --> 01:28:42.097
of time to consider them before
1596
01:28:42.097 --> 01:28:45.230
you're actually sitting in the meeting.
1597
01:28:45.230 --> 01:28:48.010
It will still be more than the required 30 days,
1598
01:28:48.010 --> 01:28:50.366
and so we just felt like this would be helpful
1599
01:28:50.366 --> 01:28:52.509
for everyone because there are times
1600
01:28:52.509 --> 01:28:55.323
I'm sitting here in the meeting and comments are coming in,
1601
01:28:55.323 --> 01:28:58.725
and there's no way for us to get them to you,
1602
01:28:58.725 --> 01:29:00.605
and then I think you get feedback that,
1603
01:29:00.605 --> 01:29:03.081
well, why didn't you respond to my comment?
1604
01:29:03.081 --> 01:29:06.498
So that's the purpose of this adjustment.
1605
01:29:09.284 --> 01:29:12.059
Any other discussion on that one?
1606
01:29:12.059 --> 01:29:13.281
Hearing none.
1607
01:29:13.281 --> 01:29:14.636
Amendment is adopted.
1608
01:29:14.636 --> 01:29:15.469
Next one?
1609
01:29:18.065 --> 01:29:21.315
The next is on SBOE-3, it involves G.
1610
01:29:22.701 --> 01:29:27.368
And some changes I believe Dr. Ellis wanted to consider.
1611
01:29:29.082 --> 01:29:30.490
13.
1612
01:29:30.490 --> 01:29:32.387
Should be at the bottom of SBOE-13,
1613
01:29:32.387 --> 01:29:37.135
and this is also a clean-up of time from way begone,
1614
01:29:37.135 --> 01:29:40.027
when we actually would need reimbursement
1615
01:29:40.027 --> 01:29:42.934
for telephone calls and for fax fees,
1616
01:29:42.934 --> 01:29:45.281
and I don't think anyone is at their hotel
1617
01:29:45.281 --> 01:29:49.448
being charged for telephone calls or for fax fees.
1618
01:29:50.389 --> 01:29:54.222
So I would recommend deletion of one and four.
1619
01:29:55.831 --> 01:29:59.045
Anyone, any more discussion on that one?
1620
01:29:59.045 --> 01:30:01.514
This is kind of keeping up with the times.
1621
01:30:01.514 --> 01:30:03.115
All those in favor?
1622
01:30:03.115 --> 01:30:03.953
Say aye.
1623
01:30:03.953 --> 01:30:04.786
(multiple responses)
1624
01:30:04.786 --> 01:30:06.312
All those opposed say no.
1625
01:30:06.312 --> 01:30:09.239
Motion's adopted, all right.
1626
01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:13.156
The next amendment is on SBOE-15, it's 3.2-B.
1627
01:30:14.068 --> 01:30:16.122
It's just updating the language
1628
01:30:16.122 --> 01:30:18.539
that references our division.
1629
01:30:21.660 --> 01:30:23.368
Any objection to that amendment?
1630
01:30:23.368 --> 01:30:26.835
Again, a lot of clean-up this time which is good.
1631
01:30:26.835 --> 01:30:27.866
Hearing none.
1632
01:30:27.866 --> 01:30:29.616
Amendment is adopted.
1633
01:30:33.160 --> 01:30:34.493
All right, next.
1634
01:30:36.171 --> 01:30:39.088
May have an amendment on SBOE-17.
1635
01:30:40.860 --> 01:30:42.193
17?
1636
01:30:43.674 --> 01:30:45.767
Yes, Mr. Cortez, I think that one is you.
1637
01:30:45.767 --> 01:30:46.600
Sure.
1638
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:49.683
Yeah, I have, I do have an amendment.
1639
01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:54.250
On section 33-C, I would like to insert
1640
01:30:56.649 --> 01:31:01.463
the word charter revision and charter amendment.
1641
01:31:01.463 --> 01:31:04.293
After having spoken with, well,
1642
01:31:04.293 --> 01:31:06.083
I'd like to, we can talk about it,
1643
01:31:06.083 --> 01:31:08.998
I guess once I get a second.
1644
01:31:08.998 --> 01:31:10.812
Oh, and also on the resolutions part,
1645
01:31:10.812 --> 01:31:13.312
I want to add on number three,
1646
01:31:14.802 --> 01:31:15.963
right after application it'll say
1647
01:31:15.963 --> 01:31:18.878
comma revision and amendments.
1648
01:31:18.878 --> 01:31:20.745
The commissioner...
1649
01:31:20.745 --> 01:31:23.995
(indistinct responses)
1650
01:31:25.103 --> 01:31:26.329
Okay.
1651
01:31:26.329 --> 01:31:27.162
Sure.
1652
01:31:27.162 --> 01:31:28.363
One at a time.
1653
01:31:28.363 --> 01:31:30.154
Why don't you speak to that?
1654
01:31:30.154 --> 01:31:31.231
Okay.
1655
01:31:31.231 --> 01:31:35.064
So it appears after having spoken with counsel
1656
01:31:36.612 --> 01:31:41.612
that the laws are in kind of conflict with one another.
1657
01:31:41.835 --> 01:31:45.426
But, you know, my concern has always been,
1658
01:31:45.426 --> 01:31:47.619
I bring it up at our committee often,
1659
01:31:47.619 --> 01:31:49.429
is that we're not really using
1660
01:31:49.429 --> 01:31:53.020
the full authority that's granted to us.
1661
01:31:53.020 --> 01:31:56.659
I know that the commissioner has granted
1662
01:31:56.659 --> 01:32:01.331
over 400 charter amendments in the last six years.
1663
01:32:01.331 --> 01:32:02.908
And so it's really where the growth occurs
1664
01:32:02.908 --> 01:32:07.372
is when the commissioner awards an expansion amendment
1665
01:32:07.372 --> 01:32:08.963
or student growth amendment,
1666
01:32:08.963 --> 01:32:10.415
and I'm not saying that they're unwarranted
1667
01:32:10.415 --> 01:32:11.922
or that we shouldn't do it, I'm just saying
1668
01:32:11.922 --> 01:32:16.095
that if that's part of our authority and we have it,
1669
01:32:16.095 --> 01:32:18.890
we shouldn't give it away to the commissioner,
1670
01:32:18.890 --> 01:32:22.144
we should take advantage of it and have an opportunity
1671
01:32:22.144 --> 01:32:23.558
for people to come and talk to us
1672
01:32:23.558 --> 01:32:26.995
about how it could impact their communities
1673
01:32:26.995 --> 01:32:31.341
and their neighborhoods and I think it's an opportunity
1674
01:32:31.341 --> 01:32:33.677
for us to, you know, do something
1675
01:32:33.677 --> 01:32:37.594
that the legislature took away from us as well.
1676
01:32:38.519 --> 01:32:41.873
And when they come through this amendment process,
1677
01:32:41.873 --> 01:32:44.063
they don't even post it on the TEA website,
1678
01:32:44.063 --> 01:32:47.804
I mean, it's, I've never seen it, I've looked for it.
1679
01:32:47.804 --> 01:32:49.646
I think it gives an opportunity
1680
01:32:49.646 --> 01:32:52.813
for more transparency in this process.
1681
01:32:55.080 --> 01:32:58.173
And you know, the fact that it's not even on TEA website,
1682
01:32:58.173 --> 01:33:00.393
something that is deeply concerning to me,
1683
01:33:00.393 --> 01:33:03.100
and so I think Von can,
1684
01:33:03.100 --> 01:33:05.600
or Chris can speak to the fact
1685
01:33:06.571 --> 01:33:11.488
that there's conflicting rules and so it's unclear legally.
1686
01:33:13.807 --> 01:33:16.108
But we could do this if we wanted
1687
01:33:16.108 --> 01:33:17.841
to and take back that authority
1688
01:33:17.841 --> 01:33:22.508
because the legislature needs to clean this language up.
1689
01:33:24.611 --> 01:33:27.019
Yes, I don't know Chris or Von,
1690
01:33:27.019 --> 01:33:28.629
did you want to speak to this first
1691
01:33:28.629 --> 01:33:32.210
and then I will call on Mr. Rowley.
1692
01:33:32.210 --> 01:33:36.690
So you've experienced this in the past with,
1693
01:33:36.690 --> 01:33:38.090
and we've had dialogs on this
1694
01:33:38.090 --> 01:33:40.948
in another section regarding the setting of standards
1695
01:33:40.948 --> 01:33:44.565
on tests, you have a section of code that describes,
1696
01:33:44.565 --> 01:33:48.106
that has a list of one through 32 items
1697
01:33:48.106 --> 01:33:51.843
of what are the powers and authorities of the state board.
1698
01:33:51.843 --> 01:33:54.875
In there it has, for instance,
1699
01:33:54.875 --> 01:33:56.638
a thing that allows the state board
1700
01:33:56.638 --> 01:33:59.419
to set the standard on assessments,
1701
01:33:59.419 --> 01:34:01.604
later on the legislature changed that.
1702
01:34:01.604 --> 01:34:04.080
In the other sections of the code
1703
01:34:04.080 --> 01:34:06.107
and removed that and we've had AG opinions
1704
01:34:06.107 --> 01:34:09.964
that have gone through that have asserted
1705
01:34:09.964 --> 01:34:11.290
that the commissioner is the one
1706
01:34:11.290 --> 01:34:14.794
that sets the standard but you still have
1707
01:34:14.794 --> 01:34:17.723
that old language that occasionally once
1708
01:34:17.723 --> 01:34:19.307
every other year or so I have
1709
01:34:19.307 --> 01:34:21.585
a conversation with someone on that.
1710
01:34:21.585 --> 01:34:23.638
Similarly, there was a time
1711
01:34:23.638 --> 01:34:24.968
when the state board was
1712
01:34:24.968 --> 01:34:27.968
the major decision body on charters.
1713
01:34:30.269 --> 01:34:33.340
And so you had that in your list of authorities.
1714
01:34:33.340 --> 01:34:35.405
And then there was legislation
1715
01:34:35.405 --> 01:34:38.901
that passed that moved that over to the commissioner.
1716
01:34:38.901 --> 01:34:43.714
But and then removed, made the state board a veto body.
1717
01:34:43.714 --> 01:34:45.964
So when that law changed,
1718
01:34:45.964 --> 01:34:49.660
it did not go back and remove the authority
1719
01:34:49.660 --> 01:34:52.993
for looking at amendments from that list
1720
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:57.065
that I was just referencing.
1721
01:34:57.065 --> 01:34:59.355
So we have a similar situation there.
1722
01:34:59.355 --> 01:35:02.022
So you have one piece of the law
1723
01:35:03.242 --> 01:35:06.342
that seems to suggest one set of authority
1724
01:35:06.342 --> 01:35:10.175
and then in the statute that covers amendments
1725
01:35:11.455 --> 01:35:14.122
it's all commissioner authority.
1726
01:35:18.121 --> 01:35:19.965
Yes, Mr. Rowley?
1727
01:35:19.965 --> 01:35:21.588
So I have a question.
1728
01:35:21.588 --> 01:35:24.559
While I agree with the sentiment of the amendment,
1729
01:35:24.559 --> 01:35:26.441
I have a question with regard
1730
01:35:26.441 --> 01:35:30.487
to the language and how we go about implementing this rule.
1731
01:35:30.487 --> 01:35:33.091
Because it goes on to say that prior
1732
01:35:33.091 --> 01:35:34.970
to consideration of the charter
1733
01:35:34.970 --> 01:35:38.137
by the board under section 12.101 B-0,
1734
01:35:41.522 --> 01:35:44.189
how do we, if we are not allowed
1735
01:35:45.521 --> 01:35:48.721
to consider expansion amendments,
1736
01:35:48.721 --> 01:35:50.713
which is what we're talking about here,
1737
01:35:50.713 --> 01:35:54.213
expansion, how do we provide an evaluation
1738
01:35:55.364 --> 01:35:57.614
prior to that consideration
1739
01:35:58.452 --> 01:36:00.441
when we don't even get to consider that?
1740
01:36:00.441 --> 01:36:01.530
I just have a question,
1741
01:36:01.530 --> 01:36:03.496
if we change the language of the rule,
1742
01:36:03.496 --> 01:36:08.079
how is that interpreted, and I'll submit that to legal.
1743
01:36:09.766 --> 01:36:13.016
Actually, the citation to 12.101 B-0,
1744
01:36:14.657 --> 01:36:16.824
I don't think is on point.
1745
01:36:18.434 --> 01:36:22.808
B-0 talks about the granting of a charter, not the revision.
1746
01:36:22.808 --> 01:36:24.740
What makes a lot more sense
1747
01:36:24.740 --> 01:36:27.573
is perhaps a citation to 7.102 C-9
1748
01:36:30.580 --> 01:36:33.240
that does talk about revision.
1749
01:36:33.240 --> 01:36:37.573
But there's another section that's 12.114, revision.
1750
01:36:40.167 --> 01:36:45.026
And there's a couple things to notice about the section.
1751
01:36:45.026 --> 01:36:46.932
A revision of a charter of an open enrollment
1752
01:36:46.932 --> 01:36:49.934
charter school may be made only
1753
01:36:49.934 --> 01:36:51.623
with the approval of the commissioner.
1754
01:36:51.623 --> 01:36:54.274
And then C, not later than 60th day
1755
01:36:54.274 --> 01:36:56.022
after the date that a charter holder
1756
01:36:56.022 --> 01:36:58.062
submits to the commissioner a completed request
1757
01:36:58.062 --> 01:37:00.203
for approval for an expansion amendment
1758
01:37:00.203 --> 01:37:01.709
as defined by commissioner rule
1759
01:37:01.709 --> 01:37:04.418
including a new school amendment,
1760
01:37:04.418 --> 01:37:05.764
the commissioner shall provide
1761
01:37:05.764 --> 01:37:07.354
to the charter holder written notice
1762
01:37:07.354 --> 01:37:10.515
of approval or disapproval of the amendment.
1763
01:37:10.515 --> 01:37:13.515
It seems to me that 12.114 is giving
1764
01:37:14.396 --> 01:37:16.578
the commissioner pretty much sole power
1765
01:37:16.578 --> 01:37:18.995
on the amendment or revision.
1766
01:37:20.011 --> 01:37:22.520
Now, there is certainly a bit
1767
01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:24.342
of a conflict and we don't have
1768
01:37:24.342 --> 01:37:26.819
an Attorney General opinion on that.
1769
01:37:26.819 --> 01:37:30.338
We don't have a court opinion on that.
1770
01:37:30.338 --> 01:37:34.171
But generally you will, if there's a conflict,
1771
01:37:36.249 --> 01:37:38.999
the later adopted provision holds
1772
01:37:40.948 --> 01:37:43.821
and the significant changes were made
1773
01:37:43.821 --> 01:37:46.071
to 12.114 in 2001 and 2013,
1774
01:37:49.432 --> 01:37:50.486
while the other provision
1775
01:37:50.486 --> 01:37:53.403
was pretty much the same since '95.
1776
01:37:54.391 --> 01:37:56.463
So, follow-up question.
1777
01:37:56.463 --> 01:37:59.051
Let me just say one thing before you do a follow-up.
1778
01:37:59.051 --> 01:38:01.139
The thing that I am struggling
1779
01:38:01.139 --> 01:38:03.031
with most probably is the fact
1780
01:38:03.031 --> 01:38:05.024
that this is under the acceptance of gifts
1781
01:38:05.024 --> 01:38:08.893
and or grants for charter school evaluation.
1782
01:38:08.893 --> 01:38:10.207
That this rule change would be
1783
01:38:10.207 --> 01:38:11.976
under the acceptance of gifts,
1784
01:38:11.976 --> 01:38:14.502
and so I'm not quite understanding,
1785
01:38:14.502 --> 01:38:19.502
we wouldn't get a gift to do a charter amendment revision.
1786
01:38:19.896 --> 01:38:23.979
I mean, that's what I'm a little struggling with.
1787
01:38:28.171 --> 01:38:29.653
I only added charter revision
1788
01:38:29.653 --> 01:38:30.608
and charter amendment.
1789
01:38:30.608 --> 01:38:31.441
Right, but I'm saying--
1790
01:38:31.441 --> 01:38:33.075
All that language is already there.
1791
01:38:33.075 --> 01:38:34.656
Right.
I didn't touch anything.
1792
01:38:34.656 --> 01:38:38.232
But I know who created this simply adding--
1793
01:38:38.232 --> 01:38:42.670
Well, we did when, what was it, I don't know.
1794
01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:44.243
It would have probably been four years ago.
1795
01:38:44.243 --> 01:38:45.315
That we did, you know,
1796
01:38:45.315 --> 01:38:46.889
on the committee on school initiatives
1797
01:38:46.889 --> 01:38:48.601
and then it was passed by the board,
1798
01:38:48.601 --> 01:38:50.838
this whole acceptance of gifts and or grants
1799
01:38:50.838 --> 01:38:52.204
for charter school evaluations
1800
01:38:52.204 --> 01:38:56.477
'cause the question was, could a foundation,
1801
01:38:56.477 --> 01:38:58.664
if they wanted us to review a charter
1802
01:38:58.664 --> 01:39:00.330
before it got approved, could they give us
1803
01:39:00.330 --> 01:39:01.456
a gift in order to do that,
1804
01:39:01.456 --> 01:39:02.583
we didn't have any rules in place.
1805
01:39:02.583 --> 01:39:05.265
These rules were passed, this is part
1806
01:39:05.265 --> 01:39:08.185
of that rule of how you would do evaluation
1807
01:39:08.185 --> 01:39:09.920
under those circumstances and so
1808
01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:11.993
I don't understand the applicability
1809
01:39:11.993 --> 01:39:14.909
of putting those particular two amendments
1810
01:39:14.909 --> 01:39:17.136
and revision in there as it applies
1811
01:39:17.136 --> 01:39:19.048
to this particular section which is
1812
01:39:19.048 --> 01:39:22.960
about accepting gifts by the board to review a charter.
1813
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:24.466
I don't understand either, but this
1814
01:39:24.466 --> 01:39:25.779
is where it has to go because
1815
01:39:25.779 --> 01:39:27.288
it says accepting of gifts
1816
01:39:27.288 --> 01:39:30.371
and or grants for charter evaluation.
1817
01:39:33.662 --> 01:39:37.781
So that's the logical place for us to put it.
1818
01:39:37.781 --> 01:39:40.047
And it seems that even though
1819
01:39:40.047 --> 01:39:44.046
some of these statutes are in conflict with one another,
1820
01:39:44.046 --> 01:39:47.046
the one that I'm citing in 7.102 C-9
1821
01:39:48.687 --> 01:39:52.084
does grant the SBOE the authority.
1822
01:39:52.084 --> 01:39:54.404
And I believe that until the legislature
1823
01:39:54.404 --> 01:39:57.984
cleans that up that we should not give up
1824
01:39:57.984 --> 01:40:00.435
our authority to the commissioner.
1825
01:40:00.435 --> 01:40:04.956
I think all of us received a letter from TASA
1826
01:40:04.956 --> 01:40:09.196
where the superintendents groups that are in town today,
1827
01:40:09.196 --> 01:40:11.285
we're gonna go see later on this afternoon
1828
01:40:11.285 --> 01:40:12.368
wrote us a letter saying,
1829
01:40:12.368 --> 01:40:14.738
hey, we're not saying don't approve these.
1830
01:40:14.738 --> 01:40:15.809
We're saying we need more time
1831
01:40:15.809 --> 01:40:16.991
when they're in our communities
1832
01:40:16.991 --> 01:40:19.282
and I think by taking this back
1833
01:40:19.282 --> 01:40:21.361
into our wheelhouse that we'll give them
1834
01:40:21.361 --> 01:40:23.682
more time to know that they're coming
1835
01:40:23.682 --> 01:40:27.311
because right now TEA does not even post them
1836
01:40:27.311 --> 01:40:29.592
on their website when they grant an expansion.
1837
01:40:29.592 --> 01:40:30.962
But what I'm saying is--
1838
01:40:30.962 --> 01:40:32.592
I'm just trying to be as transparent as possible.
1839
01:40:32.592 --> 01:40:34.260
Yeah, I'm trying to understand the connection, though.
1840
01:40:34.260 --> 01:40:38.082
Under the gift, this evaluation only happens
1841
01:40:38.082 --> 01:40:40.306
under a gift being given.
1842
01:40:40.306 --> 01:40:41.139
And so that's why--
1843
01:40:41.139 --> 01:40:43.306
I didn't write the language, Madam Chair.
1844
01:40:43.306 --> 01:40:44.139
I don't know--
1845
01:40:44.139 --> 01:40:45.734
Madam Chair?
1846
01:40:45.734 --> 01:40:48.005
If you wanted to pursue this
1847
01:40:48.005 --> 01:40:49.550
you would probably want it both
1848
01:40:49.550 --> 01:40:54.550
in the acceptance of the gift but then also on SBOE page 25.
1849
01:40:55.810 --> 01:40:59.717
Under Committee on School Initiatives item three.
1850
01:40:59.717 --> 01:41:01.419
Where it says review an evaluation
1851
01:41:01.419 --> 01:41:04.206
of charter school applications.
1852
01:41:04.206 --> 01:41:07.637
You would probably add a similar reference there.
1853
01:41:07.637 --> 01:41:10.087
Now that makes more sense.
1854
01:41:10.087 --> 01:41:11.389
I wouldn't mind adding it there, too.
1855
01:41:11.389 --> 01:41:13.056
If that's necessary.
1856
01:41:17.108 --> 01:41:17.941
Yeah.
1857
01:41:18.834 --> 01:41:20.466
And I have it on committee of school initiatives,
1858
01:41:20.466 --> 01:41:22.108
but we haven't gotten to that part yet.
1859
01:41:22.108 --> 01:41:24.358
You wanted to split 'em up.
1860
01:41:33.546 --> 01:41:35.046
I have it in both.
1861
01:41:39.184 --> 01:41:41.836
We're not going to get a gift to evaluate an amendment,
1862
01:41:41.836 --> 01:41:43.312
so that's what I'm a little confused
1863
01:41:43.312 --> 01:41:46.674
about sticking it in there, so yes, Ms. Perez-Diaz.
1864
01:41:46.674 --> 01:41:50.083
Think it's just for clarity and consistency
1865
01:41:50.083 --> 01:41:51.493
across the board as we, you know,
1866
01:41:51.493 --> 01:41:53.435
as I hope that we were able to add it
1867
01:41:53.435 --> 01:41:55.637
to the initiatives piece.
1868
01:41:55.637 --> 01:41:58.887
It reads clearly and again consistently
1869
01:41:59.793 --> 01:42:01.944
across all language that pertains
1870
01:42:01.944 --> 01:42:04.944
to the expansion of charter schools.
1871
01:42:06.307 --> 01:42:10.312
Yes, Dr. Ellis and then Ms. Perez, and then Ms. Roth.
1872
01:42:10.312 --> 01:42:11.650
Question for legal.
1873
01:42:11.650 --> 01:42:14.817
12.101 B-0 refers to new applications.
1874
01:42:19.228 --> 01:42:21.335
And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong,
1875
01:42:21.335 --> 01:42:26.335
are you bringing this up under the context of an amendment?
1876
01:42:26.876 --> 01:42:30.043
(indistinct response)
1877
01:42:37.902 --> 01:42:38.735
So--
1878
01:42:38.735 --> 01:42:41.266
Yeah, fix the, we need to fix the amendment.
1879
01:42:41.266 --> 01:42:43.018
Is this telling us that we have the ability
1880
01:42:43.018 --> 01:42:45.018
to provide our report to
1881
01:42:47.589 --> 01:42:48.983
the Committee of School Initiatives
1882
01:42:48.983 --> 01:42:51.150
on a new charter proposal?
1883
01:42:52.428 --> 01:42:53.346
As written?
1884
01:42:53.346 --> 01:42:55.807
Under the gift, right?
1885
01:42:55.807 --> 01:42:57.754
If we got a gift, we have a duty
1886
01:42:57.754 --> 01:42:59.290
to do something under a gift,
1887
01:42:59.290 --> 01:43:00.722
we have to provide an evaluation.
1888
01:43:00.722 --> 01:43:02.982
Am I not understanding this correctly?
1889
01:43:02.982 --> 01:43:04.190
Does it have anything to do with--
1890
01:43:04.190 --> 01:43:07.267
So I think the language that you have
1891
01:43:07.267 --> 01:43:10.850
before you modifies your current procedures
1892
01:43:11.902 --> 01:43:14.217
for acceptance of a gift and it would require
1893
01:43:14.217 --> 01:43:16.238
reporting of that gift.
1894
01:43:16.238 --> 01:43:20.905
If it was in connection to review of a charter revision.
1895
01:43:21.968 --> 01:43:23.459
Or amendment.
1896
01:43:23.459 --> 01:43:25.799
I think this is part of a package
1897
01:43:25.799 --> 01:43:28.549
that the board member is offering
1898
01:43:30.790 --> 01:43:34.153
that incorporates as a whole the board
1899
01:43:34.153 --> 01:43:38.557
reviewing charter amendments and to your procedures.
1900
01:43:38.557 --> 01:43:41.224
So this is just a piece of that.
1901
01:43:43.984 --> 01:43:46.554
Yes, Mr. Rowley and then...
1902
01:43:46.554 --> 01:43:50.145
(speaking indistinctly)
1903
01:43:50.145 --> 01:43:52.000
Okay, well I move to amend
1904
01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:54.167
the submission by striking
1905
01:43:56.246 --> 01:43:58.996
where it says section 12.101 B-0,
1906
01:44:00.170 --> 01:44:02.837
and inserting section 7.102 C-9.
1907
01:44:10.695 --> 01:44:11.528
102 C-9.
1908
01:44:13.283 --> 01:44:16.105
If there's a second to that I'll speak to it.
1909
01:44:16.105 --> 01:44:16.938
Okay.
1910
01:44:16.938 --> 01:44:18.496
Can I speak to that just quickly?
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01:44:18.496 --> 01:44:20.964
Yeah, so 7.102 C-9 is where
1912
01:44:20.964 --> 01:44:24.419
we get our authority to even grant
1913
01:44:24.419 --> 01:44:27.251
a charter or actually now veto a charter,
1914
01:44:27.251 --> 01:44:28.418
so we might as well have this
1915
01:44:28.418 --> 01:44:31.168
refer to the appropriate section.
1916
01:44:42.522 --> 01:44:46.237
Okay, technically, you are amending language
1917
01:44:46.237 --> 01:44:48.148
that does not touch, think of it
1918
01:44:48.148 --> 01:44:50.696
like three year olds who don't want their food
1919
01:44:50.696 --> 01:44:54.412
to touch, you always want your secondary amendment
1920
01:44:54.412 --> 01:44:56.486
to touch the primary amendment.
1921
01:44:56.486 --> 01:44:59.569
If it doesn't touch, then it's either
1922
01:45:00.641 --> 01:45:04.058
out of order or you can without objection
1923
01:45:05.150 --> 01:45:08.186
take up a non-touching amendment.
1924
01:45:08.186 --> 01:45:10.269
Does that make sense?
1925
01:45:10.269 --> 01:45:12.126
Like to mix all my food together to eat it.
1926
01:45:12.126 --> 01:45:13.859
I understand, but that's because
1927
01:45:13.859 --> 01:45:15.733
you're more evolved than a three-year-old.
1928
01:45:15.733 --> 01:45:16.932
(laughter)
1929
01:45:16.932 --> 01:45:21.015
Thank you for that, I appreciate that.
1930
01:45:22.096 --> 01:45:23.564
So to be clear,
1931
01:45:23.564 --> 01:45:26.231
Mr. Rowley, you want to change--
1932
01:45:27.295 --> 01:45:29.950
It needs to be no objection to that--
1933
01:45:29.950 --> 01:45:30.783
Right, but I mean,
1934
01:45:30.783 --> 01:45:31.990
you're adding, let's make sure
1935
01:45:31.990 --> 01:45:34.088
that we say exactly what the--
1936
01:45:34.088 --> 01:45:37.005
7.102 C-9 in place of 12.101 B-0.
1937
01:45:40.110 --> 01:45:42.917
Is there any objection to making that clarification?
1938
01:45:42.917 --> 01:45:43.750
Hearing none.
1939
01:45:43.750 --> 01:45:44.583
Okay.
1940
01:45:46.225 --> 01:45:47.258
All right.
1941
01:45:47.258 --> 01:45:48.274
Yes?
1942
01:45:48.274 --> 01:45:51.614
So does that help, legal?
1943
01:45:51.614 --> 01:45:53.110
I mean, does that clean it up,
1944
01:45:53.110 --> 01:45:55.105
'cause I know we had a lot of conversations about this--
1945
01:45:55.105 --> 01:45:57.462
What you've done is you've now referenced it
1946
01:45:57.462 --> 01:46:00.295
to a section that says you approve
1947
01:46:02.703 --> 01:46:06.786
charter applications which I would say you don't,
1948
01:46:08.260 --> 01:46:11.413
under chapter 12 the commissioner does.
1949
01:46:11.413 --> 01:46:15.163
And that you approve revisions to amendments.
1950
01:46:16.005 --> 01:46:19.208
So it is the more appropriate citation
1951
01:46:19.208 --> 01:46:22.154
for what you are pursuing,
1952
01:46:22.154 --> 01:46:23.469
I just have to warn you
1953
01:46:23.469 --> 01:46:26.719
that I think that citation is outdated.
1954
01:46:28.078 --> 01:46:28.911
And--
1955
01:46:29.811 --> 01:46:30.644
It's there.
1956
01:46:30.644 --> 01:46:31.908
I would also have to,
1957
01:46:31.908 --> 01:46:34.991
I should also tell you that now I am,
1958
01:46:36.435 --> 01:46:39.935
we may be less than your best legal advice
1959
01:46:41.310 --> 01:46:43.735
since we work for the commissioner
1960
01:46:43.735 --> 01:46:47.402
and you are currently discussing a provision
1961
01:46:48.427 --> 01:46:50.844
that argues you're different.
1962
01:46:53.077 --> 01:46:56.232
So with that, as long as you understand,
1963
01:46:56.232 --> 01:46:57.832
I will continue to provide you advice
1964
01:46:57.832 --> 01:47:00.429
if you want to continue to hear from me,
1965
01:47:00.429 --> 01:47:02.675
but on this I will point out
1966
01:47:02.675 --> 01:47:05.343
that I work for the commissioner
1967
01:47:05.343 --> 01:47:08.562
and what you're pursuing is a challenge
1968
01:47:08.562 --> 01:47:11.468
versus your two different authorities.
1969
01:47:11.468 --> 01:47:13.634
So Von, but I'm--
1970
01:47:13.634 --> 01:47:14.794
Well, yeah, I mean, you just may,
1971
01:47:14.794 --> 01:47:17.211
like I think the member here.
1972
01:47:18.339 --> 01:47:21.717
I'm only referring to revisions and amendments,
1973
01:47:21.717 --> 01:47:23.737
not new charters, I understand what our role
1974
01:47:23.737 --> 01:47:27.100
is on the new charter and we only have the veto authority.
1975
01:47:27.100 --> 01:47:30.393
But it seems broad, it seems that we have
1976
01:47:30.393 --> 01:47:33.355
that authority in 102 C-9.
1977
01:47:33.355 --> 01:47:34.188
So--
1978
01:47:34.188 --> 01:47:36.438
The citation to 7.102 C-9
1979
01:47:38.443 --> 01:47:40.883
includes two things of authority,
1980
01:47:40.883 --> 01:47:44.896
the board may grant an open enrollment charter
1981
01:47:44.896 --> 01:47:48.083
or approve a charter revision.
1982
01:47:48.083 --> 01:47:52.019
So it references two lines of authority, the first one--
1983
01:47:52.019 --> 01:47:53.769
Which one?
1984
01:47:56.393 --> 01:47:59.810
Here's the citation for it, right here.
1985
01:48:01.441 --> 01:48:02.733
Go ahead, Von, sorry.
1986
01:48:02.733 --> 01:48:04.233
Oh, no, I was...
1987
01:48:05.886 --> 01:48:07.124
Oh, you finished?
1988
01:48:07.124 --> 01:48:07.957
Oh.
1989
01:48:10.895 --> 01:48:13.791
So I understand Von's point,
1990
01:48:13.791 --> 01:48:17.205
I guess what I want to understand better is,
1991
01:48:17.205 --> 01:48:18.983
so I'm looking at the Texas Education Code
1992
01:48:18.983 --> 01:48:21.369
where it reads, does this mean,
1993
01:48:21.369 --> 01:48:23.540
I mean, so I guess this, essentially
1994
01:48:23.540 --> 01:48:25.889
the Texas Education Code is outdated.
1995
01:48:25.889 --> 01:48:28.571
It needs to be updated.
1996
01:48:28.571 --> 01:48:31.404
And so who, where can we fix that?
1997
01:48:32.843 --> 01:48:33.926
Okay.
1998
01:48:33.926 --> 01:48:35.974
Yeah, the legislature can fix it,
1999
01:48:35.974 --> 01:48:38.505
what you would see similar
2000
01:48:38.505 --> 01:48:41.588
if you look at section C-5 and 7.102,
2001
01:48:43.471 --> 01:48:48.471
this was, the analogy I was using to another experience
2002
01:48:48.483 --> 01:48:50.839
that you'd had is that at one time
2003
01:48:50.839 --> 01:48:54.703
this board set the passing standard on tests,
2004
01:48:54.703 --> 01:48:57.263
the legislature changed that in chapter 39
2005
01:48:57.263 --> 01:48:59.087
and gave that to the commissioner,
2006
01:48:59.087 --> 01:49:01.360
didn't repeal this reference,
2007
01:49:01.360 --> 01:49:03.534
and then we had an AG opinion that came down
2008
01:49:03.534 --> 01:49:07.034
and decided no, as Maska had said earlier,
2009
01:49:08.011 --> 01:49:11.392
the later in law, when in conflict,
2010
01:49:11.392 --> 01:49:14.952
the later one passed is the one that rules.
2011
01:49:14.952 --> 01:49:18.535
So using that same analogy, you would have,
2012
01:49:20.328 --> 01:49:23.283
the legislature has said the board doesn't approve
2013
01:49:23.283 --> 01:49:27.114
but has a veto authority and that the board,
2014
01:49:27.114 --> 01:49:28.829
that the commissioner is the one that approves
2015
01:49:28.829 --> 01:49:30.564
revisions to charters.
2016
01:49:30.564 --> 01:49:33.647
And they did not change this section.
2017
01:49:40.948 --> 01:49:43.280
Okay, so if I may speak in favor
2018
01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:45.530
of my colleague's proposal,
2019
01:49:47.373 --> 01:49:51.515
primarily because right now if an ISD wants to expand,
2020
01:49:51.515 --> 01:49:53.176
they have to pass a bond and there's plenty,
2021
01:49:53.176 --> 01:49:55.901
there's the time and opportunity for taxpayers
2022
01:49:55.901 --> 01:49:58.486
to go before their trustees to speak
2023
01:49:58.486 --> 01:50:02.059
for or against the agreement to increase their taxes,
2024
01:50:02.059 --> 01:50:03.916
pass a bond for new buildings.
2025
01:50:03.916 --> 01:50:07.908
However, when we're talking about the expansion of charters,
2026
01:50:07.908 --> 01:50:10.006
the minimal and only requirement
2027
01:50:10.006 --> 01:50:12.391
is an impact statement that trustees review,
2028
01:50:12.391 --> 01:50:14.146
but that there is nothing that can be
2029
01:50:14.146 --> 01:50:15.756
actually be done about that.
2030
01:50:15.756 --> 01:50:19.289
When we're talking about this revision,
2031
01:50:19.289 --> 01:50:21.630
which would include expansion,
2032
01:50:21.630 --> 01:50:24.504
this does require the posting,
2033
01:50:24.504 --> 01:50:26.685
this does give notice to the public,
2034
01:50:26.685 --> 01:50:28.796
this does give the public an opportunity
2035
01:50:28.796 --> 01:50:32.945
to speak for or against and as it currently stands,
2036
01:50:32.945 --> 01:50:35.567
public does not have that opportunity.
2037
01:50:35.567 --> 01:50:37.303
It's simply forced upon them,
2038
01:50:37.303 --> 01:50:39.101
we're hijacking their tax dollars
2039
01:50:39.101 --> 01:50:41.355
and they have absolutely no representation.
2040
01:50:41.355 --> 01:50:43.631
This amendment would give them
2041
01:50:43.631 --> 01:50:45.992
at the very least an opportunity
2042
01:50:45.992 --> 01:50:48.229
to represent their best interest.
2043
01:50:48.229 --> 01:50:51.396
And we have taken that away from them.
2044
01:51:09.300 --> 01:51:10.682
Yeah, and Ms. Perez-Diaz, you know,
2045
01:51:10.682 --> 01:51:12.506
when you talk about the ability to be able
2046
01:51:12.506 --> 01:51:15.260
to take out and clean it up, when Mr. Byer
2047
01:51:15.260 --> 01:51:17.187
mentioned the other, the cut scores,
2048
01:51:17.187 --> 01:51:19.224
I was one who brought up that question and I think,
2049
01:51:19.224 --> 01:51:22.078
and I asked the same question, why don't we clean this up?
2050
01:51:22.078 --> 01:51:24.122
But correct me Mr. Byer if I'm wrong,
2051
01:51:24.122 --> 01:51:25.514
just like when we do a teacher revision,
2052
01:51:25.514 --> 01:51:28.149
if we open up this chapter for revision,
2053
01:51:28.149 --> 01:51:30.041
we may just want to be cleaning up these two things
2054
01:51:30.041 --> 01:51:31.215
but there's no promise that someone
2055
01:51:31.215 --> 01:51:34.281
in the legislature might want to clean off
2056
01:51:34.281 --> 01:51:36.197
a few other things with that.
2057
01:51:36.197 --> 01:51:37.182
Now--
2058
01:51:37.182 --> 01:51:38.883
(laughter)
2059
01:51:38.883 --> 01:51:39.716
You open the barn door,
2060
01:51:39.716 --> 01:51:42.498
and let a few things out and a few can come in also.
2061
01:51:42.498 --> 01:51:44.078
So if I understand right,
2062
01:51:44.078 --> 01:51:45.153
I think what the purpose is is
2063
01:51:45.153 --> 01:51:48.362
we're wanting input to the commissioner
2064
01:51:48.362 --> 01:51:50.133
on charter revisions which
2065
01:51:50.133 --> 01:51:52.536
we don't have any authority on that we're hearing.
2066
01:51:52.536 --> 01:51:54.974
Would it be appropriate for this body
2067
01:51:54.974 --> 01:51:58.308
to have a communication with the commissioner
2068
01:51:58.308 --> 01:51:59.705
to find out if there's an avenue
2069
01:51:59.705 --> 01:52:04.705
where he would accept feedback from this board, what's that?
2070
01:52:06.666 --> 01:52:09.795
It's the avenue that doesn't exist, I think currently.
2071
01:52:09.795 --> 01:52:11.759
But to take a true avenue, an avenue that would,
2072
01:52:11.759 --> 01:52:13.716
you know, if he would be open to that,
2073
01:52:13.716 --> 01:52:15.770
to say that we would like to have input
2074
01:52:15.770 --> 01:52:18.362
on the front end, on the back end veto,
2075
01:52:18.362 --> 01:52:21.041
and he may or may not be open to that,
2076
01:52:21.041 --> 01:52:22.241
but to have a discussion to set up
2077
01:52:22.241 --> 01:52:25.908
a path of what my colleague is recommending.
2078
01:52:29.028 --> 01:52:32.036
Yeah, so you certainly could work
2079
01:52:32.036 --> 01:52:34.196
with the commissioner depending upon how
2080
01:52:34.196 --> 01:52:38.266
he would like to do that, could set up a process.
2081
01:52:38.266 --> 01:52:40.741
I would just remind you under his authority
2082
01:52:40.741 --> 01:52:44.491
in 12.114, he has 60 days to make a decision.
2083
01:52:45.579 --> 01:52:49.585
So whether that lines up with an ability
2084
01:52:49.585 --> 01:52:54.585
to get feedback from you based upon your meeting schedules,
2085
01:52:55.029 --> 01:52:58.199
would depend throughout the year.
2086
01:52:58.199 --> 01:52:59.032
So.
2087
01:53:02.452 --> 01:53:06.059
I do want to make sure that it is posted,
2088
01:53:06.059 --> 01:53:08.367
actually, the amendments and revisions,
2089
01:53:08.367 --> 01:53:10.720
I think Heather's back here,
2090
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:11.662
Heather, how do we find it,
2091
01:53:11.662 --> 01:53:14.277
is it under the charter school, where is that?
2092
01:53:14.277 --> 01:53:16.911
The charter amendments and revisions?
2093
01:53:16.911 --> 01:53:18.292
Madam Chair, I've got it pulled up.
2094
01:53:18.292 --> 01:53:19.125
Okay.
2095
01:53:19.125 --> 01:53:21.958
It's on the charter school page,
2096
01:53:23.497 --> 01:53:25.747
down under other resources,
2097
01:53:27.692 --> 01:53:29.059
there's a link for applications,
2098
01:53:29.059 --> 01:53:31.492
amendments, and boundaries, and when you click on that
2099
01:53:31.492 --> 01:53:33.253
it shows every charter
2100
01:53:33.253 --> 01:53:36.421
and then all of the various documents.
2101
01:53:36.421 --> 01:53:37.750
Okay.
2102
01:53:37.750 --> 01:53:38.583
So I just want to make sure
2103
01:53:38.583 --> 01:53:40.675
that there is public notice about that.
2104
01:53:40.675 --> 01:53:42.973
So I just want to make sure that folks knew
2105
01:53:42.973 --> 01:53:45.380
that you could, it is on the website.
2106
01:53:45.380 --> 01:53:47.144
I think Ms. Cargill, and then Ms.- yeah.
2107
01:53:47.144 --> 01:53:49.809
No, I just want to reiterate what Dr. Ellis said,
2108
01:53:49.809 --> 01:53:52.947
I mean, we can't vote to have authority
2109
01:53:52.947 --> 01:53:54.775
on something over which we have no authority.
2110
01:53:54.775 --> 01:53:56.168
That just doesn't make any sense.
2111
01:53:56.168 --> 01:53:59.710
And we're putting the agency in a bind of,
2112
01:53:59.710 --> 01:54:00.757
you know, like you said you're speaking
2113
01:54:00.757 --> 01:54:02.136
for the commissioner and such,
2114
01:54:02.136 --> 01:54:03.800
but I think it'd be a great idea
2115
01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:05.379
to have a discussion with the commissioner
2116
01:54:05.379 --> 01:54:09.005
about different avenues so that the public can be heard.
2117
01:54:09.005 --> 01:54:10.463
Like Ms. Perez said.
2118
01:54:10.463 --> 01:54:11.898
So.
2119
01:54:11.898 --> 01:54:13.231
I can't vote for something over which
2120
01:54:13.231 --> 01:54:14.855
we have no authority in the fir--
2121
01:54:14.855 --> 01:54:17.105
(no audio)
2122
01:54:20.385 --> 01:54:22.006
Well, the problem with that
2123
01:54:22.006 --> 01:54:23.616
or the issue that I have with that
2124
01:54:23.616 --> 01:54:24.886
is that amendments are posted
2125
01:54:24.886 --> 01:54:26.274
after they're approved,
2126
01:54:26.274 --> 01:54:28.714
so where is the opportunity for public comment?
2127
01:54:28.714 --> 01:54:30.617
Where is the opportunity for taxpayers
2128
01:54:30.617 --> 01:54:32.416
to come in and voice their concerns?
2129
01:54:32.416 --> 01:54:36.579
Whether their concerns are in support or not?
2130
01:54:36.579 --> 01:54:38.552
They are simply not given the opportunity
2131
01:54:38.552 --> 01:54:42.227
to hear the discussion, to be part of the discussion,
2132
01:54:42.227 --> 01:54:45.329
to speak for, there's absolutely no representation.
2133
01:54:45.329 --> 01:54:48.248
And it's one thing to say that it's posted on the page,
2134
01:54:48.248 --> 01:54:50.410
but it's quite another to say it's only posted
2135
01:54:50.410 --> 01:54:52.173
after they've been approved.
2136
01:54:52.173 --> 01:54:53.281
So once again, we're going back
2137
01:54:53.281 --> 01:54:55.671
to the taxation without representation,
2138
01:54:55.671 --> 01:54:57.932
we're not even allowing them to know about it
2139
01:54:57.932 --> 01:55:00.435
in advance and telling them when it's going
2140
01:55:00.435 --> 01:55:02.097
to be heard and giving them the opportunity
2141
01:55:02.097 --> 01:55:03.724
to speak for or against.
2142
01:55:03.724 --> 01:55:06.609
We're simply telling them thank you for your tax dollars,
2143
01:55:06.609 --> 01:55:09.609
this is how we're going to use them.
2144
01:55:12.738 --> 01:55:14.143
Yes.
2145
01:55:14.143 --> 01:55:17.060
And if I could add, in 7.102 C-9,
2146
01:55:18.204 --> 01:55:19.883
it does give us authority.
2147
01:55:19.883 --> 01:55:21.966
But in 12.114 it doesn't.
2148
01:55:24.272 --> 01:55:26.772
But on the 102, it talks about
2149
01:55:28.661 --> 01:55:31.418
new charter and charter revision.
2150
01:55:31.418 --> 01:55:34.251
On 114, it talks about new charter
2151
01:55:35.681 --> 01:55:38.348
and we only have veto authority.
2152
01:55:39.626 --> 01:55:42.056
While they both come together,
2153
01:55:42.056 --> 01:55:44.723
my new language is only specific
2154
01:55:45.981 --> 01:55:48.814
to the revision and the amendment,
2155
01:55:50.031 --> 01:55:51.509
because I understand that we only have
2156
01:55:51.509 --> 01:55:53.342
veto authority on 114.
2157
01:55:54.658 --> 01:55:56.890
So I'm trying to be as clear as possible
2158
01:55:56.890 --> 01:55:59.435
because I understand what the language
2159
01:55:59.435 --> 01:56:01.871
in the other section says.
2160
01:56:01.871 --> 01:56:03.958
But until the legislature cleans it up,
2161
01:56:03.958 --> 01:56:06.671
I believe that we do have that authority.
2162
01:56:06.671 --> 01:56:09.185
And they haven't disagreed other than to say
2163
01:56:09.185 --> 01:56:12.621
if you do this, you know, we put ourselves
2164
01:56:12.621 --> 01:56:14.751
in conflict with one another perhaps.
2165
01:56:14.751 --> 01:56:17.162
When we're having these conversations.
2166
01:56:17.162 --> 01:56:20.210
But that doesn't mean that we are not allowed to.
2167
01:56:20.210 --> 01:56:22.420
And so long as it is our authority,
2168
01:56:22.420 --> 01:56:24.247
we should not be giving up more
2169
01:56:24.247 --> 01:56:26.725
of our authority to anybody else.
2170
01:56:26.725 --> 01:56:28.804
When we're always fighting for additional authority
2171
01:56:28.804 --> 01:56:31.690
and somehow we get stripped of this authority.
2172
01:56:31.690 --> 01:56:35.857
We have an opportunity to take it back, we should.
2173
01:56:38.908 --> 01:56:43.190
Let's go ahead and vote on that amendment and--
2174
01:56:43.190 --> 01:56:44.588
Roll call?
2175
01:56:44.588 --> 01:56:45.575
Yes.
2176
01:56:45.575 --> 01:56:47.244
We can do that.
2177
01:56:47.244 --> 01:56:50.661
So on the evaluation of charter revision,
2178
01:56:51.546 --> 01:56:53.837
adding the language charter revisions
2179
01:56:53.837 --> 01:56:58.837
or charter amendment to 3.3-C under the acceptance of gifts
2180
01:56:59.217 --> 01:57:03.104
and grants for charter school evaluation,
2181
01:57:03.104 --> 01:57:06.221
and go ahead and, I don't know who's reading roll call.
2182
01:57:06.221 --> 01:57:07.054
I can do that.
2183
01:57:07.054 --> 01:57:08.011
Okay, Debbie.
2184
01:57:08.011 --> 01:57:08.928
Ms Perez?
2185
01:57:10.988 --> 01:57:12.985
Yes, I vote in favor...
2186
01:57:12.985 --> 01:57:14.531
Mr. Cortez?
2187
01:57:14.531 --> 01:57:15.364
Yes.
2188
01:57:15.364 --> 01:57:16.553
Ms. Perez-Diaz?
2189
01:57:16.553 --> 01:57:18.072
Yes.
2190
01:57:18.072 --> 01:57:19.166
Mr. Allen?
2191
01:57:19.166 --> 01:57:20.273
Yes.
2192
01:57:20.273 --> 01:57:21.902
Mr. Mercer?
2193
01:57:21.902 --> 01:57:23.069
No.
2194
01:57:24.063 --> 01:57:25.313
Ms. Bahorich?
2195
01:57:26.491 --> 01:57:28.385
No.
2196
01:57:28.385 --> 01:57:29.729
Dr. Robinson?
2197
01:57:29.729 --> 01:57:31.454
Yes.
2198
01:57:31.454 --> 01:57:32.513
Ms. Cargill?
2199
01:57:32.513 --> 01:57:33.710
No.
2200
01:57:33.710 --> 01:57:34.814
Dr. Ellis?
2201
01:57:34.814 --> 01:57:36.546
No.
2202
01:57:36.546 --> 01:57:37.691
Mr. Maynard?
2203
01:57:37.691 --> 01:57:39.707
No.
2204
01:57:39.707 --> 01:57:40.702
Ms. Hardy?
2205
01:57:40.702 --> 01:57:42.139
No.
2206
01:57:42.139 --> 01:57:43.102
Ms. Little?
2207
01:57:43.102 --> 01:57:44.725
No.
2208
01:57:44.725 --> 01:57:45.754
Ms. Davis?
2209
01:57:45.754 --> 01:57:47.458
Yes.
2210
01:57:47.458 --> 01:57:49.010
Ms. Melton-Malone?
2211
01:57:49.010 --> 01:57:50.473
No.
2212
01:57:50.473 --> 01:57:51.487
And Mr. Rowley?
2213
01:57:51.487 --> 01:57:52.737
Yes.
2214
01:57:57.137 --> 01:57:59.220
Seven yes and eight no.
2215
01:58:01.217 --> 01:58:02.050
Nos.
2216
01:58:08.885 --> 01:58:11.002
Now what's the next one?
2217
01:58:11.002 --> 01:58:13.756
And we're down to our last four or five amendments.
2218
01:58:13.756 --> 01:58:14.964
Okay, right.
2219
01:58:14.964 --> 01:58:18.205
And just to give you a time check, it's now 1:52.
2220
01:58:18.205 --> 01:58:20.249
Yeah, so we need to...
2221
01:58:20.249 --> 01:58:25.249
I think the rest of them were just clean-up things, right?
2222
01:58:25.581 --> 01:58:26.414
Yes.
2223
01:58:26.414 --> 01:58:28.143
I would say so.
2224
01:58:28.143 --> 01:58:29.727
Where, what's the next one?
2225
01:58:29.727 --> 01:58:32.144
The next one is on SBOE-21,
2226
01:58:33.219 --> 01:58:35.704
where we've suggested striking the phrase
2227
01:58:35.704 --> 01:58:39.280
mandatory 30 days because that's a phrase
2228
01:58:39.280 --> 01:58:41.678
I'm told is technically not accurate
2229
01:58:41.678 --> 01:58:44.403
the way it's used there.
2230
01:58:44.403 --> 01:58:46.021
Any objection?
2231
01:58:46.021 --> 01:58:47.104
Hearing none.
2232
01:58:48.662 --> 01:58:49.953
All right, next.
2233
01:58:49.953 --> 01:58:52.370
The next one is on SBOE-23,
2234
01:58:54.687 --> 01:58:58.687
and this deals with when the proposed amendments
2235
01:59:00.271 --> 01:59:03.921
to TEKS come in on second reading.
2236
01:59:03.921 --> 01:59:06.478
You know, we have a rule that
2237
01:59:06.478 --> 01:59:08.219
where you turn them in early so the public
2238
01:59:08.219 --> 01:59:10.421
has a chance to look at them,
2239
01:59:10.421 --> 01:59:12.523
the deadline is a little tricky
2240
01:59:12.523 --> 01:59:14.183
because it's five p.m. or two hours
2241
01:59:14.183 --> 01:59:16.768
following the adjournment,
2242
01:59:16.768 --> 01:59:20.762
we're suggesting just a cleaner new deadline
2243
01:59:20.762 --> 01:59:23.560
because when those get posted to the website
2244
01:59:23.560 --> 01:59:26.277
it involves three different divisions of the agency.
2245
01:59:26.277 --> 01:59:28.604
So we're trying to coordinate with a lot of people
2246
01:59:28.604 --> 01:59:31.634
after hours to post those whereas
2247
01:59:31.634 --> 01:59:35.003
if it was a noon deadline it'd be simpler
2248
01:59:35.003 --> 01:59:39.974
and typically you have your amendments ready by then.
2249
01:59:39.974 --> 01:59:41.506
Any objection to moving that back
2250
01:59:41.506 --> 01:59:45.939
so we don't have to involve so many departments after hours?
2251
01:59:45.939 --> 01:59:47.003
Hearing none.
2252
01:59:47.003 --> 01:59:47.871
I have a question.
2253
01:59:47.871 --> 01:59:48.704
Yes.
2254
01:59:48.704 --> 01:59:49.829
Yeah, yeah.
2255
01:59:49.829 --> 01:59:53.718
Okay, so, when Ms. Hardy and I were working
2256
01:59:53.718 --> 01:59:57.635
on many social studies streamlining amendments,
2257
01:59:59.467 --> 02:00:03.134
that was in response to our Tuesday meeting,
2258
02:00:04.161 --> 02:00:06.578
and after our vote on Tuesday
2259
02:00:07.604 --> 02:00:11.024
we received several public comments
2260
02:00:11.024 --> 02:00:13.341
about this is in conflict with that,
2261
02:00:13.341 --> 02:00:14.504
this would clean up this,
2262
02:00:14.504 --> 02:00:16.975
this would be a better streamlining, et cetera.
2263
02:00:16.975 --> 02:00:20.642
Personally, I was sending things at 4:59.59,
2264
02:00:22.339 --> 02:00:24.747
at the very last second.
2265
02:00:24.747 --> 02:00:28.394
Voting in favor of something like this would have,
2266
02:00:28.394 --> 02:00:31.751
would eliminate the ability to do that or it would not?
2267
02:00:31.751 --> 02:00:35.060
No ma'am, so if you think about the way
2268
02:00:35.060 --> 02:00:37.559
your meetings are scheduled and recognizing
2269
02:00:37.559 --> 02:00:41.357
that you might do something differently,
2270
02:00:41.357 --> 02:00:43.188
the day before the final vote
2271
02:00:43.188 --> 02:00:46.458
is when you have your other committees.
2272
02:00:46.458 --> 02:00:49.271
So what you just described, you actually needed
2273
02:00:49.271 --> 02:00:51.487
to get those amendments into us sooner,
2274
02:00:51.487 --> 02:00:53.103
what we're saying is this would essentially
2275
02:00:53.103 --> 02:00:57.360
say everything would be in by noon on Thursday
2276
02:00:57.360 --> 02:00:59.812
when presumably you would have had Committee
2277
02:00:59.812 --> 02:01:03.435
of the Full Board on Tuesday or Wednesday,
2278
02:01:03.435 --> 02:01:06.736
so actually I think gives you more time
2279
02:01:06.736 --> 02:01:09.319
and it makes it possible for us
2280
02:01:10.375 --> 02:01:12.214
during the workday on Thursday
2281
02:01:12.214 --> 02:01:14.022
to get that information posted so that
2282
02:01:14.022 --> 02:01:16.885
by the time everybody gets here on Friday
2283
02:01:16.885 --> 02:01:18.437
there would have been an opportunity
2284
02:01:18.437 --> 02:01:19.703
for folks to review anything
2285
02:01:19.703 --> 02:01:21.139
that you were going to consider.
2286
02:01:21.139 --> 02:01:23.588
So I think originally we were trying
2287
02:01:23.588 --> 02:01:27.765
to account for a variety of possibilities
2288
02:01:27.765 --> 02:01:31.669
and then we got ourselves a little bit confused
2289
02:01:31.669 --> 02:01:33.939
about what this language really meant.
2290
02:01:33.939 --> 02:01:37.153
And so when we just took a step back to think about it,
2291
02:01:37.153 --> 02:01:39.567
noon on Thursday seems reasonable
2292
02:01:39.567 --> 02:01:43.479
because I think there have been a couple of instances
2293
02:01:43.479 --> 02:01:44.906
where you might have carried over
2294
02:01:44.906 --> 02:01:48.300
into a Thursday but that's very rare.
2295
02:01:48.300 --> 02:01:49.133
Madam Chair.
2296
02:01:49.133 --> 02:01:50.248
Yes, Mr. Maynard?
2297
02:01:50.248 --> 02:01:51.233
And just a clarification,
2298
02:01:51.233 --> 02:01:54.658
when that particular rule was written,
2299
02:01:54.658 --> 02:01:56.766
we used to have our other committee meetings
2300
02:01:56.766 --> 02:01:58.328
earlier in the week and then we did
2301
02:01:58.328 --> 02:02:01.192
the Committee of the Full Board on Thursday.
2302
02:02:01.192 --> 02:02:02.025
Right.
2303
02:02:02.025 --> 02:02:03.202
So it was kind of written with that in mind.
2304
02:02:03.202 --> 02:02:04.035
With that in mind.
2305
02:02:04.035 --> 02:02:06.688
But then when we changed our meeting schedule,
2306
02:02:06.688 --> 02:02:09.629
it kind of fouled that one up just a tad.
2307
02:02:09.629 --> 02:02:10.462
Yeah.
2308
02:02:10.462 --> 02:02:11.399
So there's just, the bottom line
2309
02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:13.964
is we're trying not to have to involve staff
2310
02:02:13.964 --> 02:02:16.501
after hours when we can turn this
2311
02:02:16.501 --> 02:02:20.306
in on noon before the second and final vote.
2312
02:02:20.306 --> 02:02:21.738
Any other comments?
2313
02:02:21.738 --> 02:02:23.079
Yes, Ms. Cargill?
2314
02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:26.776
I just want to say something in response to Ms. Perez.
2315
02:02:26.776 --> 02:02:28.991
Or not in response but,
2316
02:02:28.991 --> 02:02:31.236
so let's say we have a very late meeting on Wednesday,
2317
02:02:31.236 --> 02:02:33.735
this happened with the social studies.
2318
02:02:33.735 --> 02:02:35.843
The first opportunity, and then you know,
2319
02:02:35.843 --> 02:02:38.503
we have our committee meetings on Thursday.
2320
02:02:38.503 --> 02:02:39.687
And I can't stay up 'til three
2321
02:02:39.687 --> 02:02:43.244
like some of you spring chickens can with a full brain.
2322
02:02:43.244 --> 02:02:44.824
So really the first chance we had to work
2323
02:02:44.824 --> 02:02:46.127
on those amendments from the public
2324
02:02:46.127 --> 02:02:48.399
was Thursday afternoon after our committee meeting,
2325
02:02:48.399 --> 02:02:50.232
so now that goes away.
2326
02:02:52.435 --> 02:02:53.309
I know but this would go away,
2327
02:02:53.309 --> 02:02:56.309
'cause they'd have to be in by noon.
2328
02:02:58.136 --> 02:03:02.300
So it wouldn't, depending on your consideration
2329
02:03:02.300 --> 02:03:04.184
of those amendments, because the last sentence
2330
02:03:04.184 --> 02:03:06.484
talks about amendments,
2331
02:03:06.484 --> 02:03:09.572
the rule may be suspended by a two thirds vote.
2332
02:03:09.572 --> 02:03:12.905
So you've still given yourselves an out,
2333
02:03:13.758 --> 02:03:14.851
but this would just,
2334
02:03:14.851 --> 02:03:16.832
anything that we have by noon
2335
02:03:16.832 --> 02:03:20.045
on that Thursday we would be more confident
2336
02:03:20.045 --> 02:03:23.295
in being able to get it posted for you.
2337
02:03:24.272 --> 02:03:25.327
I'm just trying to be realistic
2338
02:03:25.327 --> 02:03:28.352
about getting something, I mean it's extreme,
2339
02:03:28.352 --> 02:03:29.298
we're not always going to have
2340
02:03:29.298 --> 02:03:31.798
these late night things, but--
2341
02:03:33.222 --> 02:03:35.416
So on those late nights I think
2342
02:03:35.416 --> 02:03:39.698
you could by two thirds vote suspend this.
2343
02:03:39.698 --> 02:03:42.544
Before we leave, we could take care of that?
2344
02:03:42.544 --> 02:03:45.077
(inaudible response)
2345
02:03:45.077 --> 02:03:46.644
Okay, I'm fine as long as there's a way out
2346
02:03:46.644 --> 02:03:49.700
for those of us that don't function at three a.m.
2347
02:03:49.700 --> 02:03:50.755
Very well.
2348
02:03:50.755 --> 02:03:52.261
Yeah, I would speak in favor of the amendment,
2349
02:03:52.261 --> 02:03:53.452
number one it gives you more time
2350
02:03:53.452 --> 02:03:55.321
than what we've had before.
2351
02:03:55.321 --> 02:03:57.252
It was five o'clock p.m. the night
2352
02:03:57.252 --> 02:03:59.346
of the Committee of the Full Board.
2353
02:03:59.346 --> 02:04:00.544
Yes it does.
2354
02:04:00.544 --> 02:04:01.377
Yeah.
2355
02:04:01.377 --> 02:04:03.027
By five p.m. or two hours following the adjournment
2356
02:04:03.027 --> 02:04:04.235
of the committee of the full board,
2357
02:04:04.235 --> 02:04:06.729
that would have been on Tuesday or Wednesday.
2358
02:04:06.729 --> 02:04:09.146
And so it would have been by five o'clock then.
2359
02:04:09.146 --> 02:04:12.981
As it is now, it's moved to noon the next day
2360
02:04:12.981 --> 02:04:15.295
and it can be suspended by two-thirds vote,
2361
02:04:15.295 --> 02:04:17.628
but I personally want us to,
2362
02:04:19.279 --> 02:04:22.678
as much as possible try to achieve getting,
2363
02:04:22.678 --> 02:04:23.980
receiving those amendments
2364
02:04:23.980 --> 02:04:26.440
and them being posted for public viewing
2365
02:04:26.440 --> 02:04:29.607
and public comment before five o'clock
2366
02:04:30.879 --> 02:04:34.850
on Thursday or eight a.m. on Friday or whenever it was,
2367
02:04:34.850 --> 02:04:37.483
and I understand that was kind of an emergency situation,
2368
02:04:37.483 --> 02:04:41.111
but personally I felt like some of that amendment process
2369
02:04:41.111 --> 02:04:43.564
in social studies was a little bit rushed
2370
02:04:43.564 --> 02:04:46.733
and we didn't have the opportunity for public comment.
2371
02:04:46.733 --> 02:04:48.520
Not that we didn't make good decisions on it.
2372
02:04:48.520 --> 02:04:50.954
But still I think that the public ought to know
2373
02:04:50.954 --> 02:04:53.617
as much in advance as possible what it is
2374
02:04:53.617 --> 02:04:56.394
we're going to be considering on Friday amendments.
2375
02:04:56.394 --> 02:05:00.156
And so I would at least need it by noon on that day
2376
02:05:00.156 --> 02:05:02.453
and then if there's an exigent circumstance,
2377
02:05:02.453 --> 02:05:04.868
we can vote on two thirds by two thirds
2378
02:05:04.868 --> 02:05:07.868
and change that but so I'm in favor.
2379
02:05:10.019 --> 02:05:12.910
One of the issues I believe that caused
2380
02:05:12.910 --> 02:05:17.160
our last minute 'til three in the morning work,
2381
02:05:17.160 --> 02:05:20.136
whether it was me alone or not,
2382
02:05:20.136 --> 02:05:23.794
was that we started a meeting on Tuesday
2383
02:05:23.794 --> 02:05:27.087
when that kind of meeting should have began on Monday.
2384
02:05:27.087 --> 02:05:27.920
Right?
2385
02:05:27.920 --> 02:05:29.566
Because if we had more time,
2386
02:05:29.566 --> 02:05:31.259
that's the kind of adjustment
2387
02:05:31.259 --> 02:05:34.497
that we should probably be considering,
2388
02:05:34.497 --> 02:05:36.236
I'm not saying in lieu of this,
2389
02:05:36.236 --> 02:05:37.857
I'm saying in conjunction with this.
2390
02:05:37.857 --> 02:05:39.292
When we know that we're going to have
2391
02:05:39.292 --> 02:05:41.792
quite a bit of public comment,
2392
02:05:42.717 --> 02:05:46.603
testifiers, several amendments, proposals,
2393
02:05:46.603 --> 02:05:49.203
we need to add a day to our meetings
2394
02:05:49.203 --> 02:05:51.953
and that in conjunction with this
2395
02:05:52.792 --> 02:05:56.504
would go a very long way in alleviating
2396
02:05:56.504 --> 02:06:00.335
your three o'clock nightmare. (laughs)
2397
02:06:00.335 --> 02:06:02.094
Any other questions?
2398
02:06:02.094 --> 02:06:05.624
All those in favor of changing it to back to noon
2399
02:06:05.624 --> 02:06:07.146
on the day prior to the final vote
2400
02:06:07.146 --> 02:06:08.785
on the adoption of TEKS for the filing
2401
02:06:08.785 --> 02:06:12.432
of amendments on second reading, all those in favor say aye.
2402
02:06:12.432 --> 02:06:13.265
(multiple responses)
2403
02:06:13.265 --> 02:06:15.232
All those opposed say no.
2404
02:06:15.232 --> 02:06:17.232
Motion is adopted, okay.
2405
02:06:18.717 --> 02:06:21.634
The next amendment is on SBOE-24,
2406
02:06:22.541 --> 02:06:24.807
we propose striking language
2407
02:06:24.807 --> 02:06:27.873
for a committee that the authority
2408
02:06:27.873 --> 02:06:31.315
for has been repealed and moved to another agency.
2409
02:06:31.315 --> 02:06:32.695
Again, this is clean-up.
2410
02:06:32.695 --> 02:06:35.362
Any objection to that amendment?
2411
02:06:36.401 --> 02:06:37.484
Hearing none.
2412
02:06:41.058 --> 02:06:42.516
Any other?
2413
02:06:42.516 --> 02:06:43.557
Is that it?
2414
02:06:43.557 --> 02:06:45.802
I think Mr. Maynard has an amendment
2415
02:06:45.802 --> 02:06:49.280
related to the resolution and probably Mr. Cortez too.
2416
02:06:49.280 --> 02:06:51.451
Okay.
2417
02:06:51.451 --> 02:06:55.451
Madam, we've got one on 4.2 as well.
2418
02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:02.128
Yeah, it's actually the one before that,
2419
02:07:02.128 --> 02:07:05.878
Debbie, that's under my amendment number six.
2420
02:07:06.829 --> 02:07:08.246
Relates to 4.2 A.
2421
02:07:11.509 --> 02:07:13.719
And to include the school and board
2422
02:07:13.719 --> 02:07:16.302
in our distribution of agendas.
2423
02:07:17.701 --> 02:07:21.327
That's pretty obvious. (laughs)
2424
02:07:21.327 --> 02:07:23.275
Any objection to that amendment?
2425
02:07:23.275 --> 02:07:24.393
Hearing none.
2426
02:07:24.393 --> 02:07:25.226
Okay.
2427
02:07:26.127 --> 02:07:26.960
All right.
2428
02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:27.793
Next.
2429
02:07:27.793 --> 02:07:31.626
And then, okay, here's the resolution piece.
2430
02:07:33.317 --> 02:07:35.984
And chair, I know that we amend,
2431
02:07:39.583 --> 02:07:41.817
on the last page, and it gets a little bit difficult
2432
02:07:41.817 --> 02:07:44.013
because there's a section there that says resolution
2433
02:07:44.013 --> 02:07:46.196
and it's not really assigned to a section,
2434
02:07:46.196 --> 02:07:48.053
but it says, so I'm proposing
2435
02:07:48.053 --> 02:07:49.752
that we strike this language
2436
02:07:49.752 --> 02:07:51.316
that specified in the operating rules
2437
02:07:51.316 --> 02:07:52.320
of the State Board of Education
2438
02:07:52.320 --> 02:07:54.057
the board may from time to time define
2439
02:07:54.057 --> 02:07:57.534
by resolution the areas of oversight
2440
02:07:57.534 --> 02:08:00.784
for each committee as may be necessary.
2441
02:08:02.668 --> 02:08:05.251
I move to strike that language.
2442
02:08:06.734 --> 02:08:10.626
And then to move those areas of oversight
2443
02:08:10.626 --> 02:08:14.560
into 1.2-A, Committees of the Full Board,
2444
02:08:14.560 --> 02:08:19.132
and then C, by inserting in the areas of oversight
2445
02:08:19.132 --> 02:08:22.299
after in 1.2-A, and then finally in D,
2446
02:08:23.603 --> 02:08:25.878
add a new subsection B that reads,
2447
02:08:25.878 --> 02:08:27.806
amendments to areas of committee oversight
2448
02:08:27.806 --> 02:08:30.575
reflecting new or changing board responsibilities
2449
02:08:30.575 --> 02:08:32.404
may be made during the board's
2450
02:08:32.404 --> 02:08:34.408
periodic operating rules review
2451
02:08:34.408 --> 02:08:36.647
or by means of resolution addressing
2452
02:08:36.647 --> 02:08:38.457
the change of responsibilities
2453
02:08:38.457 --> 02:08:43.101
should such change occur between operating rule reviews.
2454
02:08:43.101 --> 02:08:46.934
And then re-letter the subsequent subsections.
2455
02:08:49.255 --> 02:08:50.304
Speak to the motion?
2456
02:08:50.304 --> 02:08:51.166
Yes, Mr. Maynard.
2457
02:08:51.166 --> 02:08:52.513
So, when I was going through this
2458
02:08:52.513 --> 02:08:55.020
is that when you read this
2459
02:08:55.020 --> 02:08:58.312
and I had this conversation with counsel,
2460
02:08:58.312 --> 02:09:00.845
it appears that the areas of oversight
2461
02:09:00.845 --> 02:09:03.871
are sort of almost a separate document
2462
02:09:03.871 --> 02:09:05.972
tacked onto the back, and I don't know
2463
02:09:05.972 --> 02:09:09.056
if there is, what the history of that was exactly.
2464
02:09:09.056 --> 02:09:12.762
And then it also is referencing a provision
2465
02:09:12.762 --> 02:09:14.245
in the rules that didn't exist anymore
2466
02:09:14.245 --> 02:09:15.099
because it says is that,
2467
02:09:15.099 --> 02:09:17.034
as specified in the operating rules
2468
02:09:17.034 --> 02:09:18.014
of the State Board, well,
2469
02:09:18.014 --> 02:09:19.161
it doesn't really say that anywhere
2470
02:09:19.161 --> 02:09:21.105
as I read through the whole thing.
2471
02:09:21.105 --> 02:09:24.221
And so what I'm proposing to do
2472
02:09:24.221 --> 02:09:25.669
is to move this into the section
2473
02:09:25.669 --> 02:09:27.833
about committees to where we name the committees
2474
02:09:27.833 --> 02:09:31.229
and also deal with the areas of responsibility
2475
02:09:31.229 --> 02:09:35.190
at the same time and that way we don't have
2476
02:09:35.190 --> 02:09:37.714
a separate document, therefore that we can look
2477
02:09:37.714 --> 02:09:40.288
at these as part of our normal rule revisions
2478
02:09:40.288 --> 02:09:42.282
rather than having a separate resolution
2479
02:09:42.282 --> 02:09:46.037
as what appears to be in the rules currently.
2480
02:09:46.037 --> 02:09:49.454
But also then to put a provision in there
2481
02:09:51.461 --> 02:09:55.058
that would enable us that if the legislature
2482
02:09:55.058 --> 02:09:58.715
comes back and changes our responsibilities somehow,
2483
02:09:58.715 --> 02:10:01.210
that we can actually change that by means
2484
02:10:01.210 --> 02:10:05.960
of resolution without opening up the whole rule document.
2485
02:10:07.237 --> 02:10:08.619
Any other questions?
2486
02:10:08.619 --> 02:10:11.695
Or any objections to those?
2487
02:10:11.695 --> 02:10:12.612
Mr. Cortez?
2488
02:10:13.498 --> 02:10:14.793
How do we do it now, I mean,
2489
02:10:14.793 --> 02:10:17.317
have we had to do those resolutions
2490
02:10:17.317 --> 02:10:18.924
that you're talking about?
2491
02:10:18.924 --> 02:10:20.757
I don't think we have.
2492
02:10:23.097 --> 02:10:25.916
Yeah, we haven't changed the standing committees so.
2493
02:10:25.916 --> 02:10:26.749
Were you talking about
2494
02:10:26.749 --> 02:10:27.582
what the responsibilities--
2495
02:10:27.582 --> 02:10:30.628
Right, if we wanted to amend...
2496
02:10:30.628 --> 02:10:31.467
Right.
2497
02:10:31.467 --> 02:10:34.788
And we can just amend by resolution and,
2498
02:10:34.788 --> 02:10:37.047
you know, make it simple.
2499
02:10:37.047 --> 02:10:39.684
Any other questions about that?
2500
02:10:39.684 --> 02:10:41.349
The only question I would have is,
2501
02:10:41.349 --> 02:10:43.461
I do kind of like the one pager at the end
2502
02:10:43.461 --> 02:10:44.987
because it does list 'em and the way
2503
02:10:44.987 --> 02:10:47.070
we'll have it now by inserting it in the rules
2504
02:10:47.070 --> 02:10:49.381
it'll probably end up on two pages,
2505
02:10:49.381 --> 02:10:52.437
is there a way that we could, you know,
2506
02:10:52.437 --> 02:10:54.763
still put it like an addendum or something
2507
02:10:54.763 --> 02:10:56.466
that just shows the board duties
2508
02:10:56.466 --> 02:10:59.143
pulled out just by themselves like they are now,
2509
02:10:59.143 --> 02:10:59.976
'cause they are.
2510
02:10:59.976 --> 02:11:03.809
It's just weird it says resolution at the top.
2511
02:11:04.693 --> 02:11:07.338
I would think we can do that unless Lonnie can think--
2512
02:11:07.338 --> 02:11:08.205
Just an exhibit.
2513
02:11:08.205 --> 02:11:09.335
Of a yeah, almost just a separate link
2514
02:11:09.335 --> 02:11:11.071
on the webpage with the rules.
2515
02:11:11.071 --> 02:11:12.412
Yeah, just an exhibit, it's just so nice
2516
02:11:12.412 --> 02:11:17.079
to have it all on one page that you can kind of look at.
2517
02:11:18.509 --> 02:11:19.342
Anyway.
2518
02:11:19.342 --> 02:11:22.038
Just adding an exhibit or something.
2519
02:11:22.038 --> 02:11:23.117
So.
2520
02:11:23.117 --> 02:11:25.586
Any objections to those rule changes?
2521
02:11:25.586 --> 02:11:26.816
Hearing none.
2522
02:11:26.816 --> 02:11:27.649
All right.
2523
02:11:28.659 --> 02:11:30.047
Yes?
2524
02:11:30.047 --> 02:11:31.944
And also then, I have one other amendment
2525
02:11:31.944 --> 02:11:35.353
to the Committee on School Finance,
2526
02:11:35.353 --> 02:11:37.534
Permanent School Fund, and to add to that list
2527
02:11:37.534 --> 02:11:39.346
oversight of the Permanent School
2528
02:11:39.346 --> 02:11:41.929
Fund Bond Guaranty Program.
2529
02:11:41.929 --> 02:11:44.707
Yeah, that should have been in there.
2530
02:11:44.707 --> 02:11:46.658
That's a good catch.
2531
02:11:46.658 --> 02:11:50.325
Any objection to adding that obvious change?
2532
02:11:51.969 --> 02:11:52.802
Hearing none.
2533
02:11:52.802 --> 02:11:53.635
Okay.
2534
02:11:53.635 --> 02:11:57.359
And I think Mr. Cortez, you had one more.
2535
02:11:57.359 --> 02:12:00.264
On the committee of school initiatives.
2536
02:12:00.264 --> 02:12:01.597
On number three.
2537
02:12:03.519 --> 02:12:06.448
I believe it's SBOE page 25.
2538
02:12:06.448 --> 02:12:09.781
Review and value, review and evaluation
2539
02:12:09.781 --> 02:12:12.794
of charter school applications, comma,
2540
02:12:12.794 --> 02:12:16.294
I want to insert revisions and amendments.
2541
02:12:17.361 --> 02:12:18.820
And then it'll continue on as written,
2542
02:12:18.820 --> 02:12:22.820
the Commissioner of Education proposes to grant.
2543
02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:29.941
Is there any objection
2544
02:12:29.941 --> 02:12:32.695
to adding that into the instruction?
2545
02:12:32.695 --> 02:12:35.013
Committee on School Initiatives.
2546
02:12:35.013 --> 02:12:38.180
(indistinct response)
2547
02:12:46.063 --> 02:12:47.203
So work that this Committee
2548
02:12:47.203 --> 02:12:49.480
on School Initiatives would undertake.
2549
02:12:49.480 --> 02:12:52.032
Any objections to adding that language?
2550
02:12:52.032 --> 02:12:53.935
Hearing none.
2551
02:12:53.935 --> 02:12:54.768
All right.
2552
02:12:59.003 --> 02:13:01.586
Any other changes to the rules?
2553
02:13:02.443 --> 02:13:03.276
Okay.
2554
02:13:03.276 --> 02:13:04.109
So.
2555
02:13:05.728 --> 02:13:08.228
Okay, do I have a motion here?
2556
02:13:09.448 --> 02:13:10.838
An actual motion motion?
2557
02:13:10.838 --> 02:13:11.671
Hold on.
2558
02:13:13.474 --> 02:13:15.903
Yeah, why don't you, Mr. Rowley?
2559
02:13:15.903 --> 02:13:18.090
Madam Chair, I move that we adopt
2560
02:13:18.090 --> 02:13:23.019
the amendments to the operating rules as proposed.
2561
02:13:23.019 --> 02:13:24.993
All those in favor say aye.
2562
02:13:24.993 --> 02:13:25.826
(multiple responses)
2563
02:13:25.826 --> 02:13:27.863
All those opposed say no.
2564
02:13:27.863 --> 02:13:30.613
Rules as amended have been adopted.
2565
02:13:30.613 --> 02:13:31.791
All right.
2566
02:13:31.791 --> 02:13:34.277
Now members, we're going on, moving on
2567
02:13:34.277 --> 02:13:37.444
to the election of State Board of Education officers,
2568
02:13:37.444 --> 02:13:41.527
and Mr. Maynard you told me you had a nomination.
2569
02:13:44.329 --> 02:13:48.163
Madam Chair, I would like to nominate
2570
02:13:48.163 --> 02:13:49.502
for vice chair of the board,
2571
02:13:49.502 --> 02:13:51.000
is that the position we're going to do first?
2572
02:13:51.000 --> 02:13:52.151
Yes, mm-hmm, we'll do vice chair
2573
02:13:52.151 --> 02:13:52.984
and then do secretary.
2574
02:13:52.984 --> 02:13:55.651
I would nominate Marty Rowley.
2575
02:13:58.475 --> 02:13:59.984
Do we need a second for that?
2576
02:13:59.984 --> 02:14:00.817
No there's no--
2577
02:14:00.817 --> 02:14:01.878
Okay.
2578
02:14:01.878 --> 02:14:02.826
Marty Rowley, okay.
2579
02:14:02.826 --> 02:14:03.659
Can I speak to my nomination?
2580
02:14:03.659 --> 02:14:04.492
Yes, please do.
2581
02:14:04.492 --> 02:14:05.332
Yeah.
2582
02:14:05.332 --> 02:14:07.974
Madam Chair, I just, we've just had the honor
2583
02:14:07.974 --> 02:14:11.235
of working with Mr. Rowley over these last few years
2584
02:14:11.235 --> 02:14:15.152
and he's smart, he's articulate, he's prepared.
2585
02:14:17.540 --> 02:14:20.219
I appreciate the fact that he is fully engaged
2586
02:14:20.219 --> 02:14:22.886
in the work out in his district.
2587
02:14:25.493 --> 02:14:28.993
He is in tune with always what's going on.
2588
02:14:30.368 --> 02:14:34.010
He's a just in terms of representation of the board,
2589
02:14:34.010 --> 02:14:35.946
I think he does a great job.
2590
02:14:35.946 --> 02:14:39.598
Just as a side note, I'm told by a senator
2591
02:14:39.598 --> 02:14:40.718
from up in the Amarillo area
2592
02:14:40.718 --> 02:14:42.695
that he's very generous on the golf course.
2593
02:14:42.695 --> 02:14:44.308
(laughter)
2594
02:14:44.308 --> 02:14:45.457
So I've heard that he coughs up
2595
02:14:45.457 --> 02:14:47.188
a lot of money on the golf course.
2596
02:14:47.188 --> 02:14:49.394
So if anybody wants to golf with him, so.
2597
02:14:49.394 --> 02:14:50.644
That's funny.
2598
02:14:52.412 --> 02:14:55.731
The floor is open for other nominations for vice chair.
2599
02:14:55.731 --> 02:14:57.232
Yes.
2600
02:14:57.232 --> 02:15:02.149
I'd like to nominate Ruben Cortez for vice chair.
2601
02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:09.801
All right, Mr. Allen, would you speak to that nomination?
2602
02:15:09.801 --> 02:15:10.968
I want to...
2603
02:15:12.185 --> 02:15:13.419
I believe that Mr. Cortez,
2604
02:15:13.419 --> 02:15:16.086
I consider it would be a promotion at this time,
2605
02:15:16.086 --> 02:15:20.800
he's served on the board and I'm trying to look
2606
02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:23.723
at some advancement in the Democrat side of the board,
2607
02:15:23.723 --> 02:15:26.814
and I think that Mr. Cortez has served as well as secretary.
2608
02:15:26.814 --> 02:15:28.767
I think two terms as secretary,
2609
02:15:28.767 --> 02:15:30.832
would be more deserving to operate
2610
02:15:30.832 --> 02:15:32.463
in a vice chair's position
2611
02:15:32.463 --> 02:15:37.463
and show some elevation to the Democratic side of the board.
2612
02:15:39.306 --> 02:15:40.862
Any other comments of either,
2613
02:15:40.862 --> 02:15:45.279
or any other nominations, could be other nominations.
2614
02:15:46.531 --> 02:15:47.364
Madam Chair?
2615
02:15:47.364 --> 02:15:48.226
Yes.
2616
02:15:48.226 --> 02:15:50.363
Do you need a motion to close nominations?
2617
02:15:50.363 --> 02:15:51.434
Yes.
2618
02:15:51.434 --> 02:15:54.461
No, or can the board just close nominations?
2619
02:15:54.461 --> 02:15:55.663
If we don't have further nominations
2620
02:15:55.663 --> 02:15:56.955
nominations are closed.
2621
02:15:56.955 --> 02:15:58.686
Okay, if there are no further nominations,
2622
02:15:58.686 --> 02:16:00.379
the nominations are now closed.
2623
02:16:00.379 --> 02:16:04.379
And how do we do this, do we pass papers around,
2624
02:16:05.400 --> 02:16:09.817
do we hold, what's the, how do we do this with the...
2625
02:16:13.017 --> 02:16:13.850
Is it...
2626
02:16:13.850 --> 02:16:15.929
Well, it's never secret with the board, but.
2627
02:16:15.929 --> 02:16:16.762
Yeah.
2628
02:16:16.762 --> 02:16:17.595
But I mean--
2629
02:16:17.595 --> 02:16:18.428
I think it's been a voice vote
2630
02:16:18.428 --> 02:16:20.178
when it has happened.
2631
02:16:21.482 --> 02:16:23.008
For and against the first person,
2632
02:16:23.008 --> 02:16:25.251
and for and against the second person?
2633
02:16:25.251 --> 02:16:26.438
That's the way you've done it before?
2634
02:16:26.438 --> 02:16:29.042
Wait a minute, for and against each separate person?
2635
02:16:29.042 --> 02:16:30.490
Yeah.
2636
02:16:30.490 --> 02:16:33.990
(indistinct conversation)
2637
02:16:34.860 --> 02:16:36.246
Why would you do for and against?
2638
02:16:36.246 --> 02:16:39.746
(indistinct conversation)
2639
02:16:41.720 --> 02:16:43.078
Parliamentary query?
2640
02:16:43.078 --> 02:16:44.711
Yes, Mr. Maynard?
2641
02:16:44.711 --> 02:16:46.702
Yeah, and we have done that in the past
2642
02:16:46.702 --> 02:16:50.452
where we voted for and against and was always
2643
02:16:51.421 --> 02:16:52.731
kind of curious about that,
2644
02:16:52.731 --> 02:16:53.797
because I don't recall
2645
02:16:53.797 --> 02:16:56.756
that really being a feature of Robert's.
2646
02:16:56.756 --> 02:16:57.818
It would seem like to me
2647
02:16:57.818 --> 02:17:00.985
that if we have to do a public vote...
2648
02:17:02.401 --> 02:17:05.048
Well, or that I think that every vote here
2649
02:17:05.048 --> 02:17:08.046
that we take is a public vote.
2650
02:17:08.046 --> 02:17:10.896
But if you did it by, could we not do it
2651
02:17:10.896 --> 02:17:12.498
by roll call and each member
2652
02:17:12.498 --> 02:17:15.186
then would state who they're voting for?
2653
02:17:15.186 --> 02:17:16.399
That'd be the simplest.
2654
02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.899
(indistinct conversation)
2655
02:17:27.513 --> 02:17:31.174
Madam Chairman, just as a point of education,
2656
02:17:31.174 --> 02:17:34.339
Robert's does say that when you are having elections
2657
02:17:34.339 --> 02:17:37.477
in a mass meeting that you vote first for
2658
02:17:37.477 --> 02:17:40.165
and then against and then in order to advance
2659
02:17:40.165 --> 02:17:42.080
to a candidate that you are in favor of,
2660
02:17:42.080 --> 02:17:44.484
you must first vote to defeat the ones
2661
02:17:44.484 --> 02:17:47.901
who are nominated earlier in the process.
2662
02:17:48.748 --> 02:17:50.315
But if there are only two...
2663
02:17:50.315 --> 02:17:51.486
Correct, correct.
2664
02:17:51.486 --> 02:17:53.766
I don't say it's a good process.
2665
02:17:53.766 --> 02:17:54.599
Okay.
2666
02:17:54.599 --> 02:17:57.188
I just say that it's Robert's process.
2667
02:17:57.188 --> 02:17:59.377
I think thought that I guess I would speak
2668
02:17:59.377 --> 02:18:03.069
in favor of Mr. Maynard's way of doing this
2669
02:18:03.069 --> 02:18:06.403
because it would be much quicker I think.
2670
02:18:06.403 --> 02:18:08.678
So can we go ahead and do roll call and then...
2671
02:18:08.678 --> 02:18:11.142
(indistinct response)
2672
02:18:11.142 --> 02:18:12.943
Yeah, we could do that.
2673
02:18:12.943 --> 02:18:15.176
As long as we don't get confused.
2674
02:18:15.176 --> 02:18:17.144
As long as we don't get confused,
2675
02:18:17.144 --> 02:18:19.394
that's the important thing.
2676
02:18:20.268 --> 02:18:21.865
Okay, so I'm going to do it,
2677
02:18:21.865 --> 02:18:24.528
let's do it in alphabetical order.
2678
02:18:24.528 --> 02:18:26.931
Just to keep us straight.
2679
02:18:26.931 --> 02:18:28.356
So if we have competing nominations
2680
02:18:28.356 --> 02:18:30.920
for secretary we'll do the same thing.
2681
02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:31.888
Alphabetical order.
2682
02:18:31.888 --> 02:18:32.852
Okay?
2683
02:18:32.852 --> 02:18:35.602
We're, so Mr. Cortez will be one.
2684
02:18:37.685 --> 02:18:39.248
You will say when your name is called
2685
02:18:39.248 --> 02:18:42.361
you will say one if you're going to vote for Mr. Cortez.
2686
02:18:42.361 --> 02:18:46.948
If you are going to vote for Mr. Rowley, you would say two.
2687
02:18:46.948 --> 02:18:48.049
As your name is called.
2688
02:18:48.049 --> 02:18:50.582
Does that make sense?
2689
02:18:50.582 --> 02:18:51.787
Does everybody got that clear?
2690
02:18:51.787 --> 02:18:54.682
We're doing alphabetical order.
2691
02:18:54.682 --> 02:18:56.019
Cortez and then Rowley.
2692
02:18:56.019 --> 02:18:57.442
Cortez is number one.
2693
02:18:57.442 --> 02:18:59.109
Rowley's number two.
2694
02:19:00.229 --> 02:19:02.283
Ready for the roll call vote?
2695
02:19:02.283 --> 02:19:03.116
Okay.
2696
02:19:04.996 --> 02:19:06.576
Okay, Mr. Allen?
2697
02:19:06.576 --> 02:19:08.415
One.
2698
02:19:08.415 --> 02:19:09.748
Ms. Cargill?
2699
02:19:09.748 --> 02:19:11.439
Two.
2700
02:19:11.439 --> 02:19:12.994
Mr. Cortez?
2701
02:19:12.994 --> 02:19:14.498
One.
2702
02:19:14.498 --> 02:19:15.520
Ms. Davis?
2703
02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:16.353
Two.
2704
02:19:16.353 --> 02:19:17.219
Dr. Ellis?
2705
02:19:17.219 --> 02:19:19.189
Two.
2706
02:19:19.189 --> 02:19:20.333
Ms. Hardy?
2707
02:19:20.333 --> 02:19:23.537
(inaudible response)
2708
02:19:23.537 --> 02:19:24.970
Ms. Little?
2709
02:19:24.970 --> 02:19:26.220
Two.
2710
02:19:27.066 --> 02:19:28.000
Mr. Maynard?
2711
02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:29.646
Two.
2712
02:19:29.646 --> 02:19:30.874
Ms. Melton-Malone?
2713
02:19:30.874 --> 02:19:32.454
Two.
2714
02:19:32.454 --> 02:19:33.287
Mr. Mercer?
2715
02:19:33.287 --> 02:19:34.853
Two.
2716
02:19:34.853 --> 02:19:35.788
Ms. Perez?
2717
02:19:35.788 --> 02:19:37.585
One.
2718
02:19:37.585 --> 02:19:38.914
Ms. Perez-Diaz?
2719
02:19:38.914 --> 02:19:40.372
One.
2720
02:19:40.372 --> 02:19:41.216
Dr. Robinson?
2721
02:19:41.216 --> 02:19:43.082
Two.
2722
02:19:43.082 --> 02:19:44.149
And Mr. Rowley?
2723
02:19:44.149 --> 02:19:45.399
Two.
2724
02:19:46.582 --> 02:19:48.190
All right.
2725
02:19:48.190 --> 02:19:50.630
Vote I had was seven to four,
2726
02:19:50.630 --> 02:19:53.380
is that what, did I get it right?
2727
02:19:55.484 --> 02:19:57.090
I've got eight to four.
2728
02:19:57.090 --> 02:19:57.923
Eight to four?
2729
02:19:57.923 --> 02:19:58.756
Yes.
2730
02:19:58.756 --> 02:19:59.589
Eight to four.
2731
02:19:59.589 --> 02:20:00.422
Okay.
2732
02:20:00.422 --> 02:20:02.779
Mr. Rowley, congratulations on your achievement
2733
02:20:02.779 --> 02:20:06.512
of being vice chair again, so once again, congratulations.
2734
02:20:06.512 --> 02:20:07.750
All right, nominations are now open
2735
02:20:07.750 --> 02:20:11.272
for the secretary of the board, yes.
2736
02:20:11.272 --> 02:20:13.605
Mr. Maynard, or Ms. Cargill.
2737
02:20:17.422 --> 02:20:18.255
Okay.
2738
02:20:20.129 --> 02:20:20.962
Madam Chair, I'd nominate
2739
02:20:20.962 --> 02:20:23.712
for secretary Ms. Georgina Perez.
2740
02:20:27.990 --> 02:20:28.823
Ms. Perez, do you want
2741
02:20:28.823 --> 02:20:31.951
to speak to Ms. Perez and then we'll take other nominations.
2742
02:20:31.951 --> 02:20:36.118
I was asked to do that but I'm happy to do that.
2743
02:20:37.911 --> 02:20:39.225
During the time that Ms. Perez
2744
02:20:39.225 --> 02:20:42.366
has been on the board she has certainly shown herself
2745
02:20:42.366 --> 02:20:46.616
to be passionate, to be articulate, to be diligent.
2746
02:20:47.744 --> 02:20:52.338
The degree of follow-through is always extraordinary.
2747
02:20:52.338 --> 02:20:54.475
And I'm proud to serve with her
2748
02:20:54.475 --> 02:20:56.981
and I think that she's doing an extraordinary job
2749
02:20:56.981 --> 02:20:59.369
representing her constituents
2750
02:20:59.369 --> 02:21:02.702
and representing the work of this board.
2751
02:21:03.578 --> 02:21:04.494
All right.
2752
02:21:04.494 --> 02:21:07.659
Let's go ahead and have any other nominations,
2753
02:21:07.659 --> 02:21:11.028
let's go ahead and do that, yes.
2754
02:21:11.028 --> 02:21:13.379
Yeah, Mr. Cortez, why don't you go ahead?
2755
02:21:13.379 --> 02:21:17.943
Well, I agree with everything that you just said, Tom.
2756
02:21:17.943 --> 02:21:21.026
I would like to nominate Marisa Perez
2757
02:21:23.243 --> 02:21:24.546
for a lot of the same reasons
2758
02:21:24.546 --> 02:21:26.698
you just mentioned about my colleague Georgina
2759
02:21:26.698 --> 02:21:28.869
which I agree about.
2760
02:21:28.869 --> 02:21:29.941
But in addition to that,
2761
02:21:29.941 --> 02:21:32.271
she does have more seniority,
2762
02:21:32.271 --> 02:21:34.439
has been here several years,
2763
02:21:34.439 --> 02:21:37.776
came in the same class that we came in.
2764
02:21:37.776 --> 02:21:39.526
I think that her work
2765
02:21:41.697 --> 02:21:43.847
over these last several years has demonstrated.
2766
02:21:43.847 --> 02:21:45.973
Her leadership speaks for itself.
2767
02:21:45.973 --> 02:21:48.046
And I think we'd be lucky
2768
02:21:48.046 --> 02:21:49.260
to have either one of these ladies
2769
02:21:49.260 --> 02:21:52.510
represent us as secretary on the board.
2770
02:21:54.904 --> 02:21:57.404
And nothing against Ms. Perez,
2771
02:21:58.507 --> 02:22:02.061
again I think we'd be in good hands either way.
2772
02:22:02.061 --> 02:22:05.372
I'm surrounded by amazing women here as you can see.
2773
02:22:05.372 --> 02:22:06.687
Yes. (laughs)
2774
02:22:06.687 --> 02:22:09.770
When I get concern I go to my left,
2775
02:22:10.993 --> 02:22:15.627
I go to my right, and I always get good counsel
2776
02:22:15.627 --> 02:22:17.737
whichever way I look, so.
2777
02:22:17.737 --> 02:22:20.045
But just on the basis of seniority
2778
02:22:20.045 --> 02:22:22.962
I would nominate Marisa Perez-Diaz.
2779
02:22:24.626 --> 02:22:25.995
So we've got two nominations
2780
02:22:25.995 --> 02:22:30.412
and any other nominations for secretary of the board?
2781
02:22:31.310 --> 02:22:33.364
Hearing none, there's no objection,
2782
02:22:33.364 --> 02:22:35.146
nominations are now closed.
2783
02:22:35.146 --> 02:22:37.281
And so we're going to do the same thing again.
2784
02:22:37.281 --> 02:22:39.614
On, although I didn't leave,
2785
02:22:40.912 --> 02:22:42.344
does anybody else want to speak
2786
02:22:42.344 --> 02:22:44.844
for either one of the members?
2787
02:22:46.990 --> 02:22:49.013
Oh, I already did that.
2788
02:22:49.013 --> 02:22:50.226
Okay, all right.
2789
02:22:50.226 --> 02:22:51.415
Let's go ahead and vote.
2790
02:22:51.415 --> 02:22:55.149
And Marisa Perez, she's number one.
2791
02:22:55.149 --> 02:22:58.528
And Perez, this gets confusing.
2792
02:22:58.528 --> 02:23:00.490
Perez is number two, all right.
2793
02:23:00.490 --> 02:23:04.013
So Marisa Perez will be number one, right?
2794
02:23:04.013 --> 02:23:05.586
Is everybody clear?
2795
02:23:05.586 --> 02:23:07.836
And Gina Perez will be two.
2796
02:23:11.550 --> 02:23:13.728
I want to make sure everybody knows.
2797
02:23:13.728 --> 02:23:15.548
(indistinct responses)
2798
02:23:15.548 --> 02:23:16.381
Diaz--
2799
02:23:16.381 --> 02:23:17.256
All right, let's do this.
2800
02:23:17.256 --> 02:23:18.089
Okay.
2801
02:23:18.089 --> 02:23:18.922
Perez is--
2802
02:23:18.922 --> 02:23:21.954
Marisa is one, Gina is two.
2803
02:23:21.954 --> 02:23:24.285
Marisa is one, Gina is two.
2804
02:23:24.285 --> 02:23:26.281
Is that clear?
2805
02:23:26.281 --> 02:23:27.247
Okay.
2806
02:23:27.247 --> 02:23:28.080
All right.
2807
02:23:28.080 --> 02:23:30.148
Let's go ahead and do the roll call.
2808
02:23:30.148 --> 02:23:31.401
Mr. Allen?
2809
02:23:31.401 --> 02:23:33.360
One.
2810
02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:34.315
Ms. Cargill?
2811
02:23:34.315 --> 02:23:35.630
Two.
2812
02:23:35.630 --> 02:23:36.713
Mr. Cortez?
2813
02:23:38.962 --> 02:23:40.126
One.
2814
02:23:40.126 --> 02:23:42.625
One. (laughs)
2815
02:23:42.625 --> 02:23:44.016
Ms. Davis?
2816
02:23:44.016 --> 02:23:45.204
Dr. Ellis?
2817
02:23:45.204 --> 02:23:46.697
Two.
2818
02:23:46.697 --> 02:23:47.697
Ms. Hardy?
2819
02:23:48.946 --> 02:23:50.275
Ms. Little?
2820
02:23:50.275 --> 02:23:51.639
Two.
2821
02:23:51.639 --> 02:23:52.723
Mr. Maynard?
2822
02:23:52.723 --> 02:23:53.999
Two.
2823
02:23:53.999 --> 02:23:55.488
Ms. Melton-Malone?
2824
02:23:55.488 --> 02:23:56.772
Two.
2825
02:23:56.772 --> 02:23:57.726
Mr. Mercer?
2826
02:23:57.726 --> 02:23:58.863
One.
2827
02:23:58.863 --> 02:24:00.143
Ms. Perez?
2828
02:24:00.143 --> 02:24:01.797
One- two!
2829
02:24:01.797 --> 02:24:04.201
(laughter)
2830
02:24:04.201 --> 02:24:05.386
Two please!
2831
02:24:05.386 --> 02:24:06.219
Okay.
2832
02:24:06.219 --> 02:24:07.266
Ms. Perez-Diaz?
2833
02:24:07.266 --> 02:24:08.646
One.
2834
02:24:08.646 --> 02:24:10.101
Dr. Robinson?
2835
02:24:10.101 --> 02:24:11.332
Two.
2836
02:24:11.332 --> 02:24:12.400
Mr. Rowley?
2837
02:24:12.400 --> 02:24:13.696
Two.
2838
02:24:13.696 --> 02:24:14.946
Ms. Bagorich?
2839
02:24:16.595 --> 02:24:17.428
I didn't vote last time,
2840
02:24:17.428 --> 02:24:18.748
I'm not voting this time either. (laughs)
2841
02:24:18.748 --> 02:24:19.581
Okay.
2842
02:24:21.639 --> 02:24:23.889
Okay, I show eight to four?
2843
02:24:27.127 --> 02:24:28.670
Eight to four?
2844
02:24:28.670 --> 02:24:32.507
Okay, eight to four, congratulations, Ms. Perez, Gina Perez.
2845
02:24:32.507 --> 02:24:35.600
You are our next, our new board secretary.
2846
02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:36.433
Okay.
2847
02:24:37.669 --> 02:24:39.077
We've got a few minutes,
2848
02:24:39.077 --> 02:24:40.635
so it's possible that we might be able
2849
02:24:40.635 --> 02:24:41.846
to put the committees together,
2850
02:24:41.846 --> 02:24:44.429
do we have all of the handouts.
2851
02:24:45.273 --> 02:24:48.440
Actually, I only have Sue, Pam Little,
2852
02:24:50.333 --> 02:24:54.666
Keven Ellis, Pat Hardy, and Aicha Davis on handouts.
2853
02:24:57.552 --> 02:25:00.395
Who's gonna collect, so...
2854
02:25:00.395 --> 02:25:04.312
(indistinct conversation)
2855
02:25:04.312 --> 02:25:05.145
Yep.
2856
02:25:05.145 --> 02:25:08.645
(indistinct conversation)
2857
02:35:40.230 --> 02:35:41.431
Okay members, I think we're going
2858
02:35:41.431 --> 02:35:44.348
to make our deadline at 2:30, here.
2859
02:35:52.054 --> 02:35:52.887
No.
2860
02:35:57.052 --> 02:35:57.933
No.
2861
02:35:57.933 --> 02:35:58.766
Okay.
2862
02:35:58.766 --> 02:36:00.040
Are we ready?
2863
02:36:00.040 --> 02:36:01.703
I've asked Mr. Rowley to go ahead
2864
02:36:01.703 --> 02:36:04.786
and make the committee announcements.
2865
02:36:06.053 --> 02:36:08.326
Really appreciate a lot of the members put,
2866
02:36:08.326 --> 02:36:09.611
you know, one or two, I mean,
2867
02:36:09.611 --> 02:36:11.463
they really were not that picky
2868
02:36:11.463 --> 02:36:14.961
about the committees that they were on, which is great.
2869
02:36:14.961 --> 02:36:16.401
Greatly appreciated.
2870
02:36:16.401 --> 02:36:17.371
All right, Mr. Rowley.
2871
02:36:17.371 --> 02:36:19.890
Yeah, and so the methodology that we employed was,
2872
02:36:19.890 --> 02:36:22.339
we went on the basis of seniority
2873
02:36:22.339 --> 02:36:26.092
and gave members their first choice,
2874
02:36:26.092 --> 02:36:27.945
essentially based on seniority,
2875
02:36:27.945 --> 02:36:31.771
and I think it worked all the way through.
2876
02:36:31.771 --> 02:36:35.476
So on the PSF Committee it is Ms. Hardy,
2877
02:36:35.476 --> 02:36:40.059
Mr. Mercer, Mr. Allen, Chair Bahorich, and Mr. Maynard.
2878
02:36:41.859 --> 02:36:42.692
Okay.
2879
02:36:43.816 --> 02:36:47.237
Committee on Instruction is Ms. Melton-Malone,
2880
02:36:47.237 --> 02:36:51.320
Ms. Perez, Ms. Little, Ms. Davis, and Mr. Rowley.
2881
02:36:53.627 --> 02:36:58.377
And then Committee on School Initiatives is Ms. Cargill,
2882
02:36:58.377 --> 02:37:03.044
Dr. Ellis, Ms. Perez-Diaz, Dr. Robinson, and Mr. Cortez.
2883
02:37:08.324 --> 02:37:09.312
There you are.
2884
02:37:09.312 --> 02:37:12.567
So the committees will elect their chairs.
2885
02:37:12.567 --> 02:37:14.190
On Thursday, right?
2886
02:37:14.190 --> 02:37:15.906
On Thursday.
2887
02:37:15.906 --> 02:37:17.844
And then actually the board rules say
2888
02:37:17.844 --> 02:37:20.546
that the chairs appoint the vice chair.
2889
02:37:20.546 --> 02:37:22.609
But you can choose to elect that.
2890
02:37:22.609 --> 02:37:24.036
The committee chair appoints a vice chair.
2891
02:37:24.036 --> 02:37:27.452
And you can, you may or may not wish to do so.
2892
02:37:27.452 --> 02:37:30.125
As, if you are the chair of that committee.
2893
02:37:30.125 --> 02:37:34.175
One final point, typically officers of the board
2894
02:37:34.175 --> 02:37:36.694
are not eligible or did not typically serve
2895
02:37:36.694 --> 02:37:39.861
as chair or vice chairs of committees.
2896
02:37:40.954 --> 02:37:44.097
That's just kind of the standing protocol.
2897
02:37:44.097 --> 02:37:45.861
But is it written rule?
2898
02:37:45.861 --> 02:37:46.806
It is written?
2899
02:37:46.806 --> 02:37:47.639
Yeah, it's written.
2900
02:37:47.639 --> 02:37:48.472
Right.
2901
02:37:50.007 --> 02:37:52.084
Any other discussion, I think we did a great job
2902
02:37:52.084 --> 02:37:53.658
of trying to get through all of that,
2903
02:37:53.658 --> 02:37:54.828
now we'll be able to just work
2904
02:37:54.828 --> 02:37:57.847
on the people's business starting first thing on Tuesday.
2905
02:37:57.847 --> 02:37:59.313
Members, thank you so much,
2906
02:37:59.313 --> 02:38:00.845
and we will see you Tuesday morning
2907
02:38:00.845 --> 02:38:03.573
at the regular nine o'clock.
2908
02:38:03.573 --> 02:38:05.160
Nine o'clock.
2909
02:38:05.160 --> 02:38:05.993
Meeting's adjourned.
2910
02:38:05.993 --> 02:38:08.660
(gavel strikes)