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(background chatter)
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Well we are in for a real treat this morning.
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Got some awesome presentations
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and the first one up is out of my district
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and this is Garden Oaks Montessori School.
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I was so impressed when I went and visited last year
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and got to see what was going on at this school
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and wanted to make sure that my fellow members
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had an opportunity to see and hear from
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Montessori kids because I just love the way that they
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do education there.
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It's a lot of fun,
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very creative and very innovative.
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So this is the parent,
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this is the leadership choir
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and this is all ages at this school.
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This is led by Kenneth Clayborn.
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Thank you Kenneth.
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First up we're gonna hear from Stephanie Amanzan
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who's in third grade.
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And then Matilda Acosta in seventh grade.
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(applause)
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And then we'll have the choir
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and then we'll hear from Isabella Manuel in eighth grade
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and Enrique Lopez in eighth grade as well.
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(applause)
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And Dr Lindsey Pollock is the principal,
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she's right over here.
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(applause)
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All right we're excited, go for it.
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Hi My name is Stephanie and I go to
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Garden Oaks Montessori School.
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I'm in third grade.
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What I have to share about Montessori School
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is that it allows children to walk around
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and they have the ability to learn at
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their own pace.
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And each child works at their own pace which I like.
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So if you're struggling it can help you (inaudible)
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which I like.
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These are our work plans
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which you can plan out your day.
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If you're saying that you'd like to do (inaudible)
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and at the end of the week,
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you can decide (inaudible).
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And if you finish your work plan
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by the end of the week,
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you have extended time
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or you could maybe catch up on work
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that you need to finish from the last week.
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Hello my name is Matilda
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and I've been in Montessori my whole life.
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I think having the same teacher for multiple years
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allows trust and safety to grow.
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You can learn from each other and others in class.
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Stress between the students and teacher
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produces anxiety and challenging situations.
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I know what is expected of me and I like that.
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I don't have to waste my educational time
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getting to know a new teacher and a new set of expectations.
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I've always used these three rules,
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the fundamental Montessori mathematical material
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has told me,
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this is a unit on paper the number one is a constant
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and in your hand it is a reality.
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My Montessori education has given me reality.
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I like using them serious,
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using complex materials helps me see
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how I will use it in a life.
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Where a strictly cognitive activities are sometimes
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(mumbles) to understand (mumbles).
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It maybe simple but using the materials are hard.
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For instance in fourth to sixth grade
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I used (mumbles),
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where you would a scale of multi colored blocks
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to understand algebra.
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This material has helped me have a larger
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and more advanced understanding in algebra today.
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Thank you for your time.
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(applause)
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♫ Let's rejoice, everybody rejoice
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♫ Let's rejoice, everybody rejoice
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♫ Can't you feel a brand new day
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♫ Can't you feel a brand new day
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♫ Can't you feel a brand new day
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♫ Can't you feel a brand new day
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♫ We're calling for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ Habit one
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♫ Be proactive
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♫ I'm in charge
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♫ Habit two,
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♫ Have a plan and take some time
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♫ Begin with the end in mind
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♫ Habit three
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♫ Put first things first
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♫ Work then play
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♫ Habit four
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♫ Everybody think win-win
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♫ Everybody can win
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(mumbles)
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ Habit five
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♫ Seek first to understand
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♫ Then to be understood
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♫ Habit six
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♫ Synergize, synergize
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♫ Work as a team
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♫ Habit seven
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♫ Sharpen the saw
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♫ It's time to review
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(Music drowns out singing)
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ We're going for it all
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♫ The leader in me
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♫ Put the leader in you
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♫ We can have it
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♫ Have it all
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♫ Have it all ♫
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(applause)
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(lively music)
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♫ We gather here together
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♫ To sing in harmony
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♫ There's no one who I'd rather
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♫ Have standing here with me
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♫ So put your hands together
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♫ And raise them to the sky
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♫ You can make a difference
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♫ At least I know we'll try
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♫ America sings
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♫ America sings at the mighty mississippi
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♫ America hears the children roar
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♫ America sits in the hearts of all the people
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♫ America for one and for all
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♫ America sings
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♫ America sings
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♫ America cries
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♫ America cries
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♫ America home
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♫ America home
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♫ America cries
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♫ We gather here together
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♫ To sing in harmony
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♫ There's no one who I'd rather
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♫ Have standing here with me
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♫ So put your hands together
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♫ And raise them to the sky
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♫ We can make a difference
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♫ At least I know we'll try
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♫ America sing
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♫ America sings about the mighty Mississippi
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♫ America hears the children call
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♫ America lives in the hearts of all the people
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♫ America for one and for all
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♫ America sings
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(music drowns out singing)
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♫ America home
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♫ America home
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(muffled singing)
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♫ America, America
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(muffled singing)
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♫ America sings about the mighty Mississippi
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♫ America hears the children call
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♫ America lives in the hearts of all the people
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♫ America for one and for all
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(muffled singing)
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♫ America pride
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♫ America pride
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♫ America home
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♫ America home
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♫ America pride
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♫ America sings from the mighty Mississippi
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♫ America hears the children call
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♫ America lives in the hearts of all the people
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♫ America for one and for all
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♫ America sings
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♫ America sings
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♫ America cries
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♫ America cries
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♫ America hopes
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♫ America hopes
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♫ America cries
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♫ America♫
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(applause)
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Hi my name is Isabelle Manuel
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I'm an eighth grader.
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Montessori's an education for independence,
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preparing not just for school
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but for life.
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Wise words from Maria Montessori.
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Montessori let's you plan your schedule
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every day.
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So it's up to you what you do in your time.
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You get to choose what subjects you work on,
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what time you work on it and so forth.
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So from Pre-K to the middle of fourth grade
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I was in a traditional classroom.
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To be honest I was struggling,
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I didn't understand the teachers,
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I couldn't process the information
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that was set in front of me.
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I didn't have any one (inaudible)
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who supported me at school.
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This went on until I switched to a Montessori class
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I immediately clicked with the environment,
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kids and teachers.
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(Montessori) is calming but at the same time energizing.
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My grades improved and I became more social and outgoing.
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Montessori targets an individualized success path
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for each child.
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Maria Montessori said " The greatest signs of
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" success for a teacher is to be able to say,
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" The children are now working as if I did not exist."
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Now I'm not saying that you don't need teachers
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but students know what's expected
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and teachers support them when needed.
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Montessori creates an environment
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that differentiates for every student.
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If a child can't concentrate working at their desk,
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they can have the option of working outside
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or anywhere around the classroom.
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But privileges are earned.
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Montessori is not for everyone,
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but it was right for me.
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The people around me including myself
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see a difference since I came to Montessori.
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It's helped to develop me into a leader,
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overcome my fear of public speaking
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and given me the courage to play my violin
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in front of an audience.
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My dream is for all students to have a public
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Montessori option.
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(applause)
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(inaudible) kids can learn at their own pace.
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I would like to say that my life is not (inaudible).
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Because I'm not like anyone else
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I should have a unique education.
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Going to Montessori has offered me that type of education
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I need to succeed.
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My life is different,
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I come from a home with a single mother
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who (inaudible).
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It was tough when my dad left,
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but I had a lot of support
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and my mom started planning.
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There is a program
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where you are allowed to have a social worker.
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I had a lot of support from the social worker
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and the support of my friends
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and my (inaudible).
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I have a lot of support from my teachers.
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My family is different from anyone else.
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My family is different because I had significant
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challenges that leave me affected.
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Luckily we have teaches and they helped me
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and my situation.
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Friends who are there for me
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just as if they were my family.
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Where I come from we'll have (inaudible).
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If I didn't have that much support I don't think
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I would be here explaining how (coughing drowns out speech).
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Going to Montessori has changed many things for me
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such as my education.
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It has changed things about my behavior.
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I was wild and had an awful attitude.
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I was the type of kid that never cared
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what others told me.
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I would not listen to anyone but my mom.
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Luckily I had the help of
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my Montessori family,
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my teachers and friends,
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they let me (inaudible).
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Now I don't give attitude and actually listen.
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I'm not the kid I used to be.
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I'm on a path (inaudible).
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Getting to work with your teachers for multiple years
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is great because you know them just as well
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as they know you.
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I've been to Montessori since Pre-K
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and you guys have really changed me.
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I remember once in the second grade
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I went to visit a traditional classroom
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I was very confused because I was not
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used to that type of environment.
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I noticed as traveled through it was quite
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and I saw students working on an assignment,
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where no one actually spoke.
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At Montessori you'd have the opportunity to
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ask for help or to work on your own.
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At Montessori you are encouraged to ask for help
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from a friend or a teacher.
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Montessori is very helpful with people.
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We welcome new people into our environment
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each year.
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I know many people have many traditional classes
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compared to Montessori,
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and they tell me that Montessori is
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easier than most (inaudible).
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Many students tell me that traditional is over complicated
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and confusing for teachers.
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I would appreciate it so much if you
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would support our Montessori program
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and join our Montessori (inaudible).
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(applause)
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Fantastic job, really enjoyed it.
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Thank you kids, really appreciate it.
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Thank you students.
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Yeah we're gonna do a picture
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but I want to make sure and present this certificate
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to you for coming--
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Thank you so much.
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...today, really appreciate it Dr Pollock.
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It was a great honor.
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Thank you so much.
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Kenneth, thank you so much, Mr Clayborn.
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Thank you.
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She's got a great lens on the camera,
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it's gonna be such a wide shot.
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(camera clicking)
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(applause)
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(group chatter)
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There's nobody here.
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So Donna you may go now.
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Good morning I'm Mr Cargill
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and I'm going to be giving the devotional
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and the pledges.
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It's almost Thanksgiving,
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right, everybody know that,
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so I wanted to start by reading a Psalm of Thanksgiving.
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It's Psalm 9:1,2 and it says,
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"I will thank you Oh Lord with all my heart,
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"I will tell of all the marvelous things you have done,
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"I will be filled with joy because of you,
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"I will sing praises to your name, O Most High."
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And I think these verses are very poignant
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given the news that we woke up to this morning
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and what's happening in Mali and all the difficult
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things that are happening in our world
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and the challenges that we face.
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It's hard to train ourselves to be thankful
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and sometimes we have to do it through clenched teeth
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and thank God no matter what the circumstances are
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and the challenges are.
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But if we as adults develop an attitude of gratitude
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I think that's a precious gift that we can give
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to our children, our students, our young people
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and teach them, train them
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as we train ourselves to be grateful for their families,
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for their country, for their teachers, for their friends...
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So I wanted to read the first Congregational Resolution
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to end, that President George Washington signed,
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for the first Thanksgiving.
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And it declared in part,
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whereas it is the duty of all nations
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to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God,
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to obey his will,
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to be grateful for his benefits
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and humbly to implore his protection and favor.
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Now therefore I do recommend and assign
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Thursday the 26th day of November 1789
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that we may all unite to render under him our sincere
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and humble thanks for his kind care and protection.
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So with that resolution of Thanksgiving in mind let's pray.
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Heavenly father we do give you thanks,
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even though it's hard sometimes for us to understand
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circumstances and situations and challenges in our lives.
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We thank you and will you help us to train our children
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as we train ourselves, to have this attitude of gratitude.
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So we thank you God in this time of Thanksgiving,
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I thank you for all of the people in this room
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and what a privelige it is to serve our school children
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with them.
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May you guide and protect us,
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lead us through the meeting today.
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Help us to do everything according to your will
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and in your name.
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Amen.
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So if you'll rise we'll say the pledges.
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I pledge allegiance to the Flag
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of the United States of America,
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and to the Republic for which it stands,
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one Nation under God, indivisible,
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with liberty and justice for all.
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Honor the Texas flag;
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I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas,
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one state under God, one and indivisible.
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Thank you, you may be seated.
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Members we did not finish,
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on Wednesday the committee, the full board,
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ran late and we postponed a discussion item
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that was on the update on the Texas commission
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on next generation assessments and accountability.
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So at this time I would like to reconvene the committee,
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the full board,
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and I want to call upon Erica Beltran who can
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talk to us the best.
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She just got an email, I think yesterday,
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she is our appointee working on the commission.
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I would like to start by thanking
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our board chair Donna for this appointment.
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I do consider it an honor and hope to represent
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each of the members of this board well.
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I will be following up with you
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just to have more of a conversation with each of you
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about your perspective on assessments and accountability.
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There's really not a whole lot to update
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except that you know the commission was announced
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last week, the appointments were made by the governor,
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lieutenant governors office,
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the chairman of the House and Senate committees.
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And there are 15 members.
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There's actually a good North Texas contingency,
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it just so happens that the chairman of the commission
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is a Dallas ISD Board trustee, Mike Morath,
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who I know well.
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So that works out nicely that we're in the same community.
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They just sent out an email yesterday
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asking for availability,
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so it looks like we'll be meeting later in December
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or perhaps early in January.
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And I will definitely make sure to keep you guys
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abreast of what those conversations are like.
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So thank you.
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Just members, I just wanted to call your attention
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I passed out,
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it has on the top, the first sheet,
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it says tentative community conversation dates.
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Do you guys see that?
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It's a stapled group.
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Does everyone have one?
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Okay, these are just dates that I'm going ahead
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and throwing out,
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what I'm planning on doing is traveling
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to these communities and I've put us in where
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all the members are going to be able to be close enough
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to participate in those community conversations.
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The first one that held was in Huston on October 27,
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and a member Allan Cargill
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joined me at that event.
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Very long evening because I asked three hours
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of the folks time.
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But we had a good turnout 80 to 90 people were there,
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with parents.
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We had parents, educators and business leaders.
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Those were the three that we asked to come to our meetings
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and we asked them to wear a hat for the evening,
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either as a parent, even though they might wear many hats
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in real life we asked them for that evening to wear
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a parent hat, a business leader hat
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or an educator hat.
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In order to give feedback because on the commission
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it's important that the commission understand
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the different perspectives
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and in order to make some decisions,
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to address certain issues that might affect
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one particular group.
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For instance parents,
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that might have different concerns
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than educators or business leaders
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and be the same for each of the groups.
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Really it was a great evening,
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people stayed to the end there was a
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tremendous amount of engagement.
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So I really look forward to coming
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to all of your communities and having the same conversation.
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I've got a lot of things setup and as you'll see
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I also handed out kind of the protocol
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for the way that we did the evening,
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that's on the second sheet.
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The guiding questions are the questions
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we'll be putting online,
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because we're going to engage the entire State,
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we hope with lots of feedback coming in.
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For those who can't attend the community conversations
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because of course we'll be space limited
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everywhere we go.
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They'll still be able to weigh in on
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the same questions online.
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So these are the questions here,
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if you'll look on the second sheet,
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one through six,
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that were asked and we asked the small groups
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to get together to discuss that and then
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they reported out to the entire group.
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So it was really a very interesting evening,
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people really appreciated the opportunity to have this
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discussion and I think what this will do
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at the end of the day if we're
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as a State board going around the State
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and trying to engage all the main stakeholders
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that are involved in this
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that at the end of the day hopefully when we
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get whatever that next generation of
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assessments and accountability is,
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it will have a lot more buy in
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and a lot more people will know what's
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coming up and what we're doing
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and we'll get to that next generation of
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assessments and accountability in a good spot.
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We did have students come and they gave us their
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report out as well.
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Even though I didn't list them as a specific group
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we did have students come.
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An AP US government group came,
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it was very interesting.
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And the invitation is also the last page.
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That was the invitation that went to parents.
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Just so you can see what we're talking to parents about.
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But I'll be talking to you about that,
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if you'll see me and let me know if these dates
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are a problem,
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please let me know because I want to come there
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and make sure it's a time that you're going to be available
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and we can work together on these issues.
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Thank you so much members,
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I just wanted to give you that update.
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This completes the business...
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Oh yes Dr Dominguez.
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Yes I want to thank you for organizing
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and doing all of this.
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I think it's a great idea,
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but as I'm looking at this I'm wondering
00:31:07.617 --> 00:31:12.070
you mentioned that there's a...
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As you invite parents who gets invited, how...?
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Is it all just--
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That's a great idea.
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I'm glad you asked that question because actually
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I didn't do any of the inviting per-say.
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I invited groups to do the inviting.
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So I engaged the different business folks,
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business leadership, Greater Houston Partnership,
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other folks like that in the Houston area
00:31:35.685 --> 00:31:37.651
to invite the business leaders.
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Asked the superintendents if they would like
00:31:39.650 --> 00:31:42.513
to invite the parents and so they sent me a
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large contingent of parents.
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And then for the teachers I asked Steph Capo,
00:31:48.318 --> 00:31:50.217
Houston Federation of Teachers
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in the Houston area to help with that work.
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So I actually parceled out that work
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because you know it would be hard for us as members
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to do that, but it was pretty easy to get them involved.
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And so I've had several contacts already
00:32:04.451 --> 00:32:07.288
the different teacher group representatives.
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Many we heard on Wednesday, here, to help us
00:32:10.851 --> 00:32:13.352
with this work when we come to the communities
00:32:13.352 --> 00:32:15.051
and getting the educators out.
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And so they've all said they'd be happy to help.
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Yes, Ms Perez.
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Thank you madam chair.
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And so just so you know
00:32:23.019 --> 00:32:25.350
I've held several forums in San Antonio
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and the Region 20 service center
00:32:28.285 --> 00:32:29.752
there in San Antonio has been amazing.
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They have list services that they work off as well
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and so members don't forget to utilize your
00:32:36.218 --> 00:32:38.617
regional service centers because they're an incredible
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resource and they have working spreadsheets
00:32:41.983 --> 00:32:44.618
of PTA members and teacher organizations
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and things like that.
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Absolutely.
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That's absolutely a tremendous help.
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Yeah you wanna parcel out these invitations
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so we get a good turn out.
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Any other questions members?
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So if you'll see me before the end of the day
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just make sure these dates work
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for folks and we'll keep working on that.
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Oh I'm sorry, Mr Ratliff
00:33:01.651 --> 00:33:04.519
I just wanted to share with member Beltran
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.385
the only piece of advice that I would offer
00:33:07.385 --> 00:33:09.751
or input, is if we want well rounded kids
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we need a well rounded accountability system.
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And I'm always struck by the irony of
00:33:14.384 --> 00:33:16.584
every board meeting we have student performances
00:33:16.584 --> 00:33:18.219
that we love and appreciate and value
00:33:18.219 --> 00:33:20.953
and they're nowhere in our accountability system.
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So the State tells campuses and kids
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those things don't matter.
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And we know they matter at the local level
00:33:26.285 --> 00:33:28.455
but at the State level I'm hoping we
00:33:28.455 --> 00:33:30.791
can find a way to tell all the different endorsement
00:33:30.791 --> 00:33:33.684
areas that you matter and what you're pursuing
00:33:33.684 --> 00:33:35.551
for a career or college or whatever else,
00:33:35.551 --> 00:33:36.751
all of those matter.
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So good luck and thank you for representing us.
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Yes Ms Cargill.
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I wanted to say what a success it was at the community
00:33:44.818 --> 00:33:47.658
conversation and thank the chair for the idea of,
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I mean this is like a whirlwind schedule,
00:33:49.786 --> 00:33:50.886
you know,
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and so thank you for being willing to do that.
00:33:53.351 --> 00:33:55.551
But I think what impressed me the most is
00:33:55.551 --> 00:33:59.668
that people just really appreciate being heard
00:34:00.217 --> 00:34:01.751
about this topic.
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I think we had just as many parents there
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as we did teachers.
00:34:05.218 --> 00:34:08.085
The business industry group was a little bit smaller
00:34:08.085 --> 00:34:12.068
but everybody was very engaged wanted to participate,
00:34:13.052 --> 00:34:14.967
wanted their voice to be heard,
00:34:15.085 --> 00:34:17.317
and I think this reflects very well on the board
00:34:17.317 --> 00:34:19.452
because we do want to hear from
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people out in all different parts of the state.
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So thank you I thought it was a great success.
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Mr Allan.
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I just wanted to add to Barbara's comments.
00:34:28.211 --> 00:34:30.384
One of the powerful pieces was the students
00:34:30.384 --> 00:34:33.118
that were in attendance there and the kinds
00:34:33.118 --> 00:34:35.151
of questions and things that they begin to raise,
00:34:35.151 --> 00:34:38.118
which I was shocked that they were that focused
00:34:38.118 --> 00:34:40.851
on accountability in terms of students.
00:34:40.851 --> 00:34:42.717
So I appreciate you making sure
00:34:42.717 --> 00:34:44.802
that students were a part of the audience.
00:34:44.884 --> 00:34:46.456
Yeah absolutely and what I did
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was I invited the superintendent to invite their students
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so I had a moderator of course that worked and...
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So what we're gonna be doing is we had
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the first hour,
00:34:55.984 --> 00:34:57.318
I did forget to say this,
00:34:57.318 --> 00:34:59.285
the first hour we had some presentations,
00:34:59.285 --> 00:35:02.251
HD Chambers was able to able to go over
00:35:02.251 --> 00:35:03.551
the history of accountability,
00:35:03.551 --> 00:35:05.051
and kind of what has led up to
00:35:05.051 --> 00:35:06.751
and exactly where we are right now.
00:35:06.751 --> 00:35:09.785
And then we had a couple of folks who were working
00:35:09.785 --> 00:35:12.551
specifically in the assessments and accountability
00:35:12.551 --> 00:35:15.217
area in their school districts,
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that were there.
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And so we will put those videos up
00:35:20.285 --> 00:35:22.103
with the survey that I said
00:35:22.103 --> 00:35:23.351
we're going to be putting online,
00:35:23.351 --> 00:35:25.717
so that you won't have to replicate that
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in your communities because it's too hard
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to pull all those experts together to bring
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us up to speed,
00:35:31.717 --> 00:35:34.451
but we could ask participants to view those online.
00:35:34.451 --> 00:35:35.951
So we'll have those video's up.
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I just got the link from Houston community college
00:35:38.852 --> 00:35:43.017
of those videos and so we'll be posting those.
00:35:43.017 --> 00:35:45.251
I need to view the videos then we'll post them
00:35:45.251 --> 00:35:46.417
and let you know.
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And I'll send you the link to the survey and all of that.
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I really want a large engagement,
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so if you can't participate in the face-to-face
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you've got an opportunity online.
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That way at least we're really doing that outreach
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for this particular conversation.
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So thank you members.
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This completes the business of the committee
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of the full board and the meeting of the committee
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is adjourned.
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Now I want to call the meeting of
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the State Board of Education to order
00:36:15.917 --> 00:36:18.534
and Renee would you please do the role call.
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Mr Allen.
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Present.
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Mrs Bahorich.
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Present.
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Ms Beltran.
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Present.
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Mr (inaudible).
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Here.
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Mrs Cargill.
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Mr Cortez.
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Here.
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(inaudible).
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Present.
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Mrs Hardy.
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Here.
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Mr Mercer.
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Here.
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Mrs (inaudible).
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Here.
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Mr Marco.
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Present.
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Mrs Miller.
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Here.
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Ms Perez.
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Here.
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Mr Ratliff.
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Here.
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Mr Ratliff.
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Present.
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The first item of business is the approval
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of the minutes of the September 11, 2015 meeting.
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Are there any corrections to the minutes?
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Hearing none the minutes are approved as corrected
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or as sent.
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We have a resolution I believe and Mr Cortez.
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Good morning.
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If we can have our national history day winners
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come into the circle,
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and as you hear your name called,
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as I read the resolution if you can just step up.
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Members if you have a winner from your district
00:38:00.284 --> 00:38:03.634
can you go down and join your winners as well.
00:38:20.117 --> 00:38:23.836
I think we've got members Cargill, Allen and Melton- Malone.
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You should have your resolutions on your desk.
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Well good morning everybody let me go ahead
00:39:04.318 --> 00:39:06.051
and read today's resolution.
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The state board of education considers high
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academic standards as a foundation
00:39:11.784 --> 00:39:14.101
of public education in Texas.
00:39:14.652 --> 00:39:17.218
Whereas the National History Day Program
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fosters academic achievement and intellectual growth,
00:39:22.152 --> 00:39:25.686
requires student participants to conduct extensive
00:39:25.686 --> 00:39:30.034
primary and secondary source research on a topic
00:39:30.217 --> 00:39:32.669
of historical significance,
00:39:32.951 --> 00:39:36.868
and promotes pride in each student participant's heritage
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and in our nations history
00:39:40.684 --> 00:39:42.852
and place in the world.
00:39:42.852 --> 00:39:45.651
And whereas the annual National History Day Contest
00:39:45.651 --> 00:39:49.918
with the theme of leadership and legacy in history
00:39:49.918 --> 00:39:53.118
was held in College Park Maryland
00:39:53.118 --> 00:39:57.168
on June 15 - 18 2015.
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And whereas Mathew Bresard,
00:40:01.650 --> 00:40:04.835
of Impact Early College High School in Baytown Texas
00:40:04.835 --> 00:40:07.051
won first place in the senior devision,
00:40:07.051 --> 00:40:09.984
individual performance category
00:40:09.984 --> 00:40:14.185
with his performance titled Resisting the Reins of Power,
00:40:14.185 --> 00:40:18.935
Washington at his finest in the Temple of Virtue.
00:40:20.384 --> 00:40:23.734
And whereas Brent Vela of Nimitz High School
00:40:23.734 --> 00:40:25.985
in Houston Texas won first place
00:40:25.985 --> 00:40:29.868
in the senior division individual performance category
00:40:31.053 --> 00:40:32.717
with his performance titled,
00:40:32.717 --> 00:40:35.684
Heal the Man, Heal the Land:
00:40:35.684 --> 00:40:40.501
Roosevelt's legacy through the Civilian Conservation Corps.
00:40:42.184 --> 00:40:46.868
And whereas Natalie Garza, Gabriel Goothman,
00:40:49.251 --> 00:40:54.025
Mukeila Jefferson, (inadudiuble),
00:40:58.252 --> 00:40:59.784
and Billy Tullido
00:40:59.784 --> 00:41:01.986
of Nimitz High School in Houston Texas
00:41:01.986 --> 00:41:04.685
won second place in the senior division group
00:41:04.685 --> 00:41:06.884
performance category,
00:41:08.418 --> 00:41:09.851
with their performance titled
00:41:09.851 --> 00:41:13.251
Wild Bill Donovan Leader of the American Espionage.
00:41:14.801 --> 00:41:17.468
And whereas Neal Dupree
00:41:18.284 --> 00:41:20.885
and Page Dupree of,
00:41:24.851 --> 00:41:27.068
I'm going to have a hard time with this name.
00:41:27.068 --> 00:41:28.253
Ikenburg.
00:41:28.253 --> 00:41:33.100
Ikenburg of Atlas Academy in Waco Texas
00:41:33.451 --> 00:41:35.151
won second place in the junior division
00:41:35.151 --> 00:41:37.919
performance category, with their performance titled
00:41:37.919 --> 00:41:41.351
Leading Ladies and the Legacy
00:41:41.351 --> 00:41:43.651
of the 19th Century Social Reform.
00:41:43.651 --> 00:41:47.218
And whereas Gloria Cunaster of Atlas Academy in Waco
00:41:49.851 --> 00:41:52.885
won third place in the junior division
00:41:52.885 --> 00:41:56.851
individual performance category, with her performance titled
00:41:56.851 --> 00:42:00.934
Ida B Wells: A Crusader for Justice.
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And now therefore, be it resolved
00:42:03.685 --> 00:42:06.151
that the Texas State Board of Education
00:42:06.151 --> 00:42:08.919
does hereby congratulate these 2015
00:42:08.919 --> 00:42:11.350
National History Day winners.
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From Goose Creek Consolidated Independent School District,
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Alden Independent School District,
00:42:18.551 --> 00:42:21.350
And Waco Independent School District.
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And be it further resolved that this resolution
00:42:24.152 --> 00:42:26.751
be presented to the aforementioned students
00:42:26.751 --> 00:42:29.351
for their winning projects at the
00:42:29.351 --> 00:42:32.885
2015 National History Day Contest.
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And that a copy be included in permanent records
00:42:36.419 --> 00:42:38.185
of the State Board of Education.
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Witness for our signatures,
00:42:39.418 --> 00:42:43.768
this 20th day of November 2015, in Austin Texas.
00:42:44.352 --> 00:42:46.618
Donna Bahorich, chair.
00:42:46.618 --> 00:42:48.850
Thomas Ratliff, Vice chair.
00:42:48.850 --> 00:42:51.335
Ruben Cortez Junior secretary.
00:43:13.418 --> 00:43:16.501
Group shot.
00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:39.418
Before you guys leave,
00:43:39.418 --> 00:43:42.251
if you guys can just hangout there for a minute.
00:43:42.251 --> 00:43:46.218
I'd like to invite Stephen Cure,
00:43:46.218 --> 00:43:48.051
the Director of Education
00:43:48.051 --> 00:43:50.651
for the Texas Historical Assosiation.
00:43:50.651 --> 00:43:55.001
Mr Cure has another award to present.
00:43:55.655 --> 00:43:57.685
I had the opportunity this year
00:43:57.685 --> 00:44:00.385
to be at the National History Day
00:44:00.385 --> 00:44:02.988
that was hosted here at the (inaudible).
00:44:02.988 --> 00:44:06.818
I had my own daughter participated
00:44:06.818 --> 00:44:09.718
and I got to see this young group here
00:44:09.718 --> 00:44:11.885
with the Leading Ladies of Legacy
00:44:11.885 --> 00:44:13.751
perform at the luncheon,
00:44:13.751 --> 00:44:15.317
they did spectacular.
00:44:15.317 --> 00:44:17.251
If you guys, as members, if you get an opportunity
00:44:17.251 --> 00:44:19.818
to show up and see what goes on,
00:44:19.818 --> 00:44:22.568
it's mind boggling.
00:44:23.985 --> 00:44:25.851
These three on the far left,
00:44:25.851 --> 00:44:28.051
they did an outstanding job.
00:44:28.051 --> 00:44:29.318
Befor they won
00:44:29.318 --> 00:44:31.717
after I saw them perform I knew they were going to win
00:44:31.717 --> 00:44:33.984
and look here they are.
00:44:33.984 --> 00:44:36.751
It's exciting I had an opportunity to take my daughter,
00:44:36.751 --> 00:44:38.555
she placed fourth at state,
00:44:38.555 --> 00:44:40.053
so she didn't make it to nationals
00:44:40.053 --> 00:44:42.351
but even she was rooting for you guys.
00:44:42.351 --> 00:44:44.451
So we're very proud of you.
00:44:44.451 --> 00:44:46.117
Stephen is he around?
00:44:46.117 --> 00:44:48.050
Oh Stephen come on up,
00:44:48.050 --> 00:44:50.934
he's got some more announcements for us.
00:44:52.918 --> 00:44:54.018
Well if we could,
00:44:54.018 --> 00:44:55.884
the honorees could go ahead and make your way
00:44:55.884 --> 00:44:57.117
out of the circle.
00:44:57.117 --> 00:44:59.368
I'm going to be introducing a performance for you.
00:45:01.221 --> 00:45:03.184
For many years a number of the board members
00:45:03.184 --> 00:45:06.035
have asked for some sort of encore,
00:45:06.185 --> 00:45:08.569
so you can see what National History Day looks like.
00:45:09.418 --> 00:45:13.882
Those include Ms Hardy, Ms Cargill, Mr Mercer, Mr Cortez
00:45:13.882 --> 00:45:17.401
asked that same question last year at that luncheon.
00:45:17.784 --> 00:45:20.751
Mr Bradley, Mr Allen and several of your former colleagues
00:45:20.751 --> 00:45:22.851
have made the request.
00:45:22.851 --> 00:45:24.787
It's generally been difficult because the students
00:45:24.787 --> 00:45:28.185
have began preparing for this year's contest.
00:45:28.185 --> 00:45:31.485
They're usually well underway and (inaudible) in thought on
00:45:31.485 --> 00:45:33.984
the current year's project.
00:45:33.984 --> 00:45:35.952
So it's never been quite fair to the students
00:45:35.952 --> 00:45:38.918
to bring them back in November to do that.
00:45:38.918 --> 00:45:42.283
Matthew who I'll introduce a little more thoroughly
00:45:42.283 --> 00:45:44.851
in a moment presents a special opportunity because
00:45:44.851 --> 00:45:48.868
of his success he has been invited to do
00:45:49.717 --> 00:45:52.368
numerous encore presentations.
00:45:52.759 --> 00:45:56.501
So a little bit more about Mathew here in a moment.
00:45:56.551 --> 00:45:59.684
The students you saw today represent
00:45:59.684 --> 00:46:04.202
a fraction of the nearly 70 thousand students
00:46:04.551 --> 00:46:07.118
that start that journey that may,
00:46:07.118 --> 00:46:07.784
for many of them,
00:46:07.784 --> 00:46:09.617
end up at the national level.
00:46:09.617 --> 00:46:13.667
So we send about 75 out of 70 thousand
00:46:14.584 --> 00:46:15.851
to the national contest
00:46:15.851 --> 00:46:17.951
and you saw the medalist here this morning.
00:46:19.761 --> 00:46:21.684
That doesn't happen without the hard work
00:46:21.684 --> 00:46:22.851
of the kids,
00:46:22.851 --> 00:46:24.519
the hard work of the teachers,
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:26.052
numerous administrators.
00:46:26.052 --> 00:46:28.938
I noticed we have the superintendent from Goosecreek
00:46:28.938 --> 00:46:30.751
here to support Matthew this morning.
00:46:30.751 --> 00:46:32.584
Mr O'Brien, glad to have him with us.
00:46:32.584 --> 00:46:35.435
But a little bit more about Matthew.
00:46:36.052 --> 00:46:37.967
Okay embarrass him before he begins.
00:46:40.251 --> 00:46:42.451
All right first of all Matthew actually
00:46:42.451 --> 00:46:45.284
did this performance as an encore just a few weeks ago
00:46:45.284 --> 00:46:48.635
at Mount Vernon, for The Ladies Society of Mount Vernon.
00:46:48.822 --> 00:46:52.334
He was George Washington at George Washington's home.
00:46:53.184 --> 00:46:55.401
No pressure.
00:46:55.684 --> 00:46:58.018
Yeah John Adams I'm sorry.
00:46:58.018 --> 00:47:00.917
Even I make a mistake wow.
00:47:00.917 --> 00:47:04.551
What you're seeing here in his presentation
00:47:04.551 --> 00:47:07.484
is the physical manifestation
00:47:07.484 --> 00:47:10.701
of intensive rigorous research.
00:47:11.051 --> 00:47:15.535
Matthew looked at in the neighborhood of 130 sources
00:47:16.384 --> 00:47:18.484
to come up with the performance that you'll see
00:47:18.484 --> 00:47:20.218
here this morning.
00:47:20.218 --> 00:47:22.251
Okay, it's been a pleasure to get to know Matthew
00:47:22.251 --> 00:47:23.918
and his family over the years,
00:47:23.918 --> 00:47:26.125
and it has been over the years.
00:47:26.125 --> 00:47:29.169
As a sixth grader Matthew came it first at State,
00:47:29.521 --> 00:47:31.351
made it to nationals,
00:47:31.351 --> 00:47:34.050
almost made finals.
00:47:34.050 --> 00:47:37.035
The next year he came back and he won first in the nation.
00:47:37.918 --> 00:47:41.449
As an eighth grader he came back placed sixth in the nation
00:47:41.684 --> 00:47:44.018
and for a competitive champion like Matthew
00:47:44.018 --> 00:47:46.667
that was not good enough.
00:47:47.184 --> 00:47:51.053
It lit a fire in his belly and since than as a freshman
00:47:51.053 --> 00:47:55.601
a sophomore, a junior he has placed first in the nation
00:47:56.117 --> 00:47:58.534
at the national contest.
00:48:04.151 --> 00:48:08.301
To place that in perspective, the Cowboys repeated
00:48:08.551 --> 00:48:10.936
but did not win three in a row.
00:48:10.984 --> 00:48:12.885
The Spurs have five championships,
00:48:12.885 --> 00:48:13.886
Matthew has four,
00:48:13.886 --> 00:48:16.301
but they never put three in a row together.
00:48:17.051 --> 00:48:19.551
Even the illustrious Long Horns across the street
00:48:19.551 --> 00:48:21.350
under Darryl Royal repeated
00:48:21.350 --> 00:48:24.467
but never put three in a row together.
00:48:25.450 --> 00:48:27.217
Matthew's known around the country
00:48:27.217 --> 00:48:30.067
by program coordinators, by teachers
00:48:30.451 --> 00:48:33.001
and most importantly by fellow students,
00:48:33.217 --> 00:48:35.151
for the quality of the work that he has done
00:48:35.151 --> 00:48:37.185
over the past several years.
00:48:37.185 --> 00:48:39.317
He wasn't going to do NHD this year,
00:48:39.317 --> 00:48:41.934
is what he told me last year after the national contest,
00:48:42.186 --> 00:48:44.150
but he's had a change of heart
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and he's branching out into new territory
00:48:46.218 --> 00:48:47.817
with a documentary I understand
00:48:47.817 --> 00:48:50.486
instead of a performance this year.
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Matthew's considering his college options,
00:48:52.852 --> 00:48:55.351
he's already had Princeton come visit.
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I'm hoping that my Alma mater across the street
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will end up doing what it takes to keep such
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an outstanding talent here in the state of Texas.
00:49:02.818 --> 00:49:07.186
It is my distinct honor to present you Matthew Broussard
00:49:07.186 --> 00:49:09.618
in his 2015 senior individual
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national championship performance,
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Resisting the Reins of Power:
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Washington at his finest in the Temple of Virtue.
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Matthew you have the floor.
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Welcome to Mount Vernon and the Fred W Smith
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National Library for the study of George Washington.
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First American President,
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Commander of the Continental Army
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and president of the constitutional convention.
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Learn more about the many varied roles that
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Washington excelled in
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and the tremendous legacy he left for America and the world.
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Ah, George Washington,
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heralded as the father of our country.
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First in war, first in peace
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and first in the heart of his countrymen.
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Those are the words of Colonel Henry.
00:50:09.184 --> 00:50:13.969
You maybe wondering how a young, uneducated Virginian
00:50:14.084 --> 00:50:17.452
rose to such an elevated status.
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I certainly have.
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That much has been written about Washington
00:50:20.784 --> 00:50:22.217
and much of it untrue.
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For example he had wooden teeth
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or the chopping down of the proverbial cherry tree,
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or I cannot tell a lie.
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Believe me the truth is far more fascinating.
00:50:33.319 --> 00:50:36.152
As I wrote to Dr Benjamin Rush,
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the history of our revolution will be
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one continued (inaudible) from one end to the other.
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The essence of the whole will be that Dr Franklin's
00:50:43.918 --> 00:50:45.718
electrical rod smoked the earth
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and out sprung General Washington.
00:50:48.018 --> 00:50:49.819
That Franklin's rod electrified
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and (inaudible) policy negotiations,
00:50:54.417 --> 00:50:57.101
legislators and war.
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That was long ago and in a moment of supreme
00:51:01.051 --> 00:51:03.684
(inaudible).
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But think about it,
00:51:05.151 --> 00:51:06.718
consider many of the founders.
00:51:06.718 --> 00:51:10.834
Benjamin Franklin was probably wiser
00:51:10.951 --> 00:51:12.085
than George Washington,
00:51:12.085 --> 00:51:14.902
although that is arguable.
00:51:14.902 --> 00:51:17.917
Alexander Hamilton was more brilliant than Washington,
00:51:17.917 --> 00:51:21.484
James Madison was more literally shrewd.
00:51:21.484 --> 00:51:24.517
Thomas Jefferson was undeniably more
00:51:24.517 --> 00:51:27.151
intellectually sophisticated.
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And I am unquestionably more (inaudible).
00:51:31.850 --> 00:51:34.619
But most agree, he was our superior.
00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:36.985
Whenever we gathered we chose him to lead us
00:51:36.985 --> 00:51:40.501
because he was always the tallest man in the room.
00:51:40.885 --> 00:51:43.317
Oh he was a majestic sight to behold,
00:51:43.317 --> 00:51:46.384
handsome face, tall stature
00:51:46.384 --> 00:51:50.402
graceful (inaudible) movements of a large imposing figure.
00:51:53.498 --> 00:51:56.901
And Washington was a Virginian.
00:51:57.784 --> 00:52:00.051
This is equivalent to five talents.
00:52:00.051 --> 00:52:02.801
Oh Virginia he's our (inaudible).
00:52:04.750 --> 00:52:08.319
What was it that set him apart from all others?
00:52:08.319 --> 00:52:10.851
The answer is here waiting for discovery
00:52:10.851 --> 00:52:14.601
among the letters and correspondents of our time.
00:52:15.251 --> 00:52:16.751
If you could travel back in time,
00:52:16.751 --> 00:52:18.752
back to the year 1783
00:52:18.752 --> 00:52:21.386
and you could witness George Washington as he defeated
00:52:21.386 --> 00:52:23.784
the last military threat to the republic.
00:52:23.784 --> 00:52:27.451
A treasonous plot by officers of his own continental army,
00:52:27.451 --> 00:52:31.317
but the plot grew out of anxiety, anger
00:52:32.359 --> 00:52:33.718
and boredom.
00:52:33.718 --> 00:52:36.251
By 1782 it would appear that Tom Paine
00:52:36.251 --> 00:52:37.317
had been wrong,
00:52:37.317 --> 00:52:38.986
a season of discontent was (inaudible) here in
00:52:38.986 --> 00:52:40.918
Winter Valley Forge,
00:52:40.918 --> 00:52:42.784
it was the long months of waiting
00:52:42.784 --> 00:52:44.984
that followed the American victory in Georgetown.
00:52:44.984 --> 00:52:46.584
Hey technically the war was over,
00:52:46.584 --> 00:52:48.618
the men had a little to occupy their thoughts.
00:52:48.618 --> 00:52:51.617
Except their grievances against the government
00:52:51.617 --> 00:52:54.667
they were owed years of back pay by 1782.
00:52:54.851 --> 00:52:57.751
Sadly the Articles of Confederation gave Congress
00:52:57.751 --> 00:53:00.017
the privilege of asking for everything,
00:53:00.017 --> 00:53:03.139
forgave the States (inaudible).
00:53:06.285 --> 00:53:08.417
They feared they would never see back pay owed them
00:53:08.417 --> 00:53:10.153
nor the pension promised for staying
00:53:10.153 --> 00:53:11.784
the course of the war.
00:53:11.784 --> 00:53:13.517
Washington understood,
00:53:13.517 --> 00:53:15.684
as he wrote a letter to General Benjamen Lincoln:
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my men have suffered everything human nature is capable
00:53:19.751 --> 00:53:22.634
of enduring, this side of death.
00:53:23.117 --> 00:53:25.318
Now here is where the plot thickens.
00:53:25.318 --> 00:53:28.384
There were men in government who's anxiety
00:53:28.384 --> 00:53:31.152
about the Confederation equaled that of the military.
00:53:31.152 --> 00:53:34.452
They considered it a danger to the Republic.
00:53:34.452 --> 00:53:37.218
As men who thought (inaudible) they preferred a Governor
00:53:37.218 --> 00:53:38.554
with genuine power,
00:53:38.554 --> 00:53:41.001
including the power of tax.
00:53:41.352 --> 00:53:45.335
By 1782 these (inaudible) like Robert Morris,
00:53:45.553 --> 00:53:48.155
Governor Morris and Alexander Hamilton,
00:53:48.155 --> 00:53:49.584
were in the minority.
00:53:49.584 --> 00:53:52.053
They pushed for an import tax that would bring in
00:53:52.053 --> 00:53:54.683
desperately needed revenue to the national treasury.
00:53:54.683 --> 00:53:58.018
But some like Hamilton began to wonder
00:53:58.018 --> 00:54:01.688
if this republican experiment was going to work.
00:54:01.688 --> 00:54:05.268
Maybe we needed a king,
00:54:05.718 --> 00:54:09.502
after all he was the face of the revolution.
00:54:10.385 --> 00:54:12.284
That November their luck seemed to turn
00:54:12.284 --> 00:54:14.451
after the arrival of a delegation of
00:54:14.451 --> 00:54:15.818
senior military officers
00:54:15.818 --> 00:54:17.084
determined to leave the Congress,
00:54:17.084 --> 00:54:18.851
suggested a new strategy,
00:54:18.851 --> 00:54:21.567
one that was simple and dangerous.
00:54:21.784 --> 00:54:25.551
Fan the fires of discontent among the army officers
00:54:25.551 --> 00:54:27.785
with the threat of military (inaudible).
00:54:27.785 --> 00:54:30.551
Congress would be forced to approve the (inaudible)
00:54:30.551 --> 00:54:31.987
in order to make good on the promise
00:54:31.987 --> 00:54:34.284
of bonuses and pensions.
00:54:34.284 --> 00:54:36.285
These (inaudible) were playing with fire
00:54:36.285 --> 00:54:38.551
and they found men who were willing
00:54:38.551 --> 00:54:39.785
to get burned.
00:54:39.785 --> 00:54:41.401
And General (inaudible)
00:54:41.401 --> 00:54:44.735
the immediate commander who was notoriously jealous
00:54:45.150 --> 00:54:47.617
of Washington and his protege John Armstrong,
00:54:47.617 --> 00:54:49.384
authored an ominous letter
00:54:49.384 --> 00:54:51.184
and circulated it throughout the camp.
00:54:51.184 --> 00:54:54.219
It urged them to send a final petition to Congress,
00:54:54.219 --> 00:54:56.152
one that was threatening,
00:54:56.152 --> 00:54:59.719
if he stayed the military would use force
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.285
(inaudible).
00:55:01.285 --> 00:55:03.819
If war came the military would lay down it's arms
00:55:03.819 --> 00:55:07.102
and refuse to protect the Republic.
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.184
The conspirators called a meeting
00:55:10.184 --> 00:55:12.119
of the officers on March 11.
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.585
Washington issued general orders that same day
00:55:14.585 --> 00:55:16.117
that denied their right to convene
00:55:16.117 --> 00:55:19.068
taking control of the (inaudible).
00:55:19.152 --> 00:55:20.218
He issued his own (inaudible)
00:55:20.218 --> 00:55:21.551
convening on March 15.
00:55:21.551 --> 00:55:24.084
At that meeting he expected the men to discuss
00:55:24.084 --> 00:55:25.384
a course of action and provide
00:55:25.384 --> 00:55:27.151
a written statement of their intentions.
00:55:27.151 --> 00:55:29.986
He left the impression that he would not
00:55:29.986 --> 00:55:32.967
be present and that General Gates would preside.
00:55:35.117 --> 00:55:37.418
I think George may have lied,
00:55:37.418 --> 00:55:39.567
imagine that,
00:55:39.985 --> 00:55:41.417
at the appointed time the officers began
00:55:41.417 --> 00:55:43.317
to fill the temple of virtue.
00:55:43.317 --> 00:55:45.651
The (inaudible) meeting all the people of (inaudible),
00:55:45.651 --> 00:55:48.150
a confident General Gates opened the meeting
00:55:48.150 --> 00:55:50.518
when a small door off the temple stage opened
00:55:50.518 --> 00:55:53.434
and in walked General Washington.
00:55:54.451 --> 00:55:55.551
He did not mince words:
00:55:55.551 --> 00:55:56.889
the author of the letter was unknown,
00:55:56.889 --> 00:55:58.886
but his intentions were clear.
00:55:58.886 --> 00:56:01.919
This was a man without rectitude,
00:56:01.919 --> 00:56:04.184
without regard to justice or love of country
00:56:04.184 --> 00:56:07.701
a man that lacks principles.
00:56:08.118 --> 00:56:10.185
But the man who stands before you today
00:56:10.185 --> 00:56:12.884
has never left your side one moment.
00:56:12.884 --> 00:56:15.917
You will, by the dignity of your conduct
00:56:15.917 --> 00:56:18.668
of all posterity to say at this (inaudible)
00:56:19.020 --> 00:56:20.351
the world have never seen
00:56:20.351 --> 00:56:22.451
the stage of perfection
00:56:22.451 --> 00:56:25.834
which human nature is capable of attaining.
00:56:27.685 --> 00:56:30.586
It was his eloquent call to duty, honor
00:56:30.586 --> 00:56:31.917
and devotion to country
00:56:31.917 --> 00:56:33.586
and after he was (inaudible),
00:56:33.586 --> 00:56:35.286
so he drew from his pocket a letter from
00:56:35.286 --> 00:56:36.984
Joseph Jones, a member of Congress
00:56:36.984 --> 00:56:39.837
to express the goodwill of the government.
00:56:40.418 --> 00:56:42.151
He stumbled over the words,
00:56:42.151 --> 00:56:43.886
as he reached into another pocket
00:56:43.886 --> 00:56:46.567
for his new glasses there was a collective gasp
00:56:47.284 --> 00:56:48.685
from the assembled officers as he said,
00:56:49.753 --> 00:56:53.901
"Gentlemen you will permit me to put on my spectacles,
00:56:55.285 --> 00:56:59.268
for I have grown grey and almost blind
00:56:59.268 --> 00:57:01.735
in the service of my country."
00:57:02.885 --> 00:57:05.950
The impact of this simple statement was profound.
00:57:05.950 --> 00:57:08.351
When he spoke every doubt was dispelled
00:57:08.351 --> 00:57:11.767
and the tide of patriotism rode again,
00:57:11.885 --> 00:57:13.186
in it's wanted course.
00:57:13.186 --> 00:57:15.167
It was over.
00:57:15.818 --> 00:57:17.684
On March 18 Washington forwarded
00:57:17.684 --> 00:57:18.951
their resolutions to Congress.
00:57:18.951 --> 00:57:20.185
They demonstrated, he said,
00:57:20.185 --> 00:57:23.701
the last glorious group of patriotism
00:57:23.785 --> 00:57:25.017
from the Continental Army.
00:57:25.017 --> 00:57:27.284
In 1784 Thomas Jefferson wrote,
00:57:27.284 --> 00:57:29.918
the moderation and virtue of a single character
00:57:29.918 --> 00:57:33.251
has probably prevented this revolution from being closed
00:57:33.251 --> 00:57:34.818
as most others have been
00:57:34.818 --> 00:57:36.617
by subversion of that liberty
00:57:36.617 --> 00:57:38.952
it was intended to establish.
00:57:38.952 --> 00:57:40.785
It was later that year 1783
00:57:40.785 --> 00:57:43.700
that Washington made his most moral mark
00:57:43.786 --> 00:57:45.718
and the results were monumental,
00:57:45.718 --> 00:57:47.087
the greatest act of his life,
00:57:47.087 --> 00:57:48.751
the one that made him famous
00:57:48.751 --> 00:57:51.585
was his resignation as Commander in Chief
00:57:51.585 --> 00:57:52.986
of the Continental Army.
00:57:52.986 --> 00:57:55.856
This act is what he called his greatest legacy to his county
00:57:55.856 --> 00:57:59.168
and no American leader has left a more important legacy.
00:58:00.386 --> 00:58:02.085
He stunned the world when he surrendered
00:58:02.085 --> 00:58:06.201
his sword to Congress on December 23, 1783.
00:58:06.585 --> 00:58:08.651
At that moment he was transformed from the Nation's
00:58:08.651 --> 00:58:12.935
military leader to the Nation's moral leader.
00:58:14.885 --> 00:58:17.035
Now Washington wasn't naive,
00:58:17.451 --> 00:58:21.601
he was well aware that he had acquired instant fame.
00:58:23.684 --> 00:58:25.917
Washington's retirement sent Jonathan Trumbull
00:58:25.917 --> 00:58:26.951
riding through London,
00:58:26.951 --> 00:58:29.086
excites the astonishment and admiration
00:58:29.086 --> 00:58:30.252
from this part of the world.
00:58:30.252 --> 00:58:32.688
King George III predicted,
00:58:34.318 --> 00:58:36.818
"If Washington does this he will be
00:58:36.818 --> 00:58:39.269
the greatest man in the world."
00:58:40.986 --> 00:58:42.551
Washington's legacy to us,
00:58:42.551 --> 00:58:43.751
the American people,
00:58:43.751 --> 00:58:45.618
was his successful revolution.
00:58:45.618 --> 00:58:48.701
However not all revolutions end this way.
00:58:49.518 --> 00:58:52.136
Have you ever heard of Napoleon?
00:58:52.817 --> 00:58:55.467
Have you ever heard of Lenin, Stalin, Castro
00:58:55.684 --> 00:58:57.434
all claimed to be liberators,
00:58:57.752 --> 00:58:59.917
but millions upon millions died
00:58:59.917 --> 00:59:02.518
under their oppression.
00:59:02.518 --> 00:59:04.484
Because of Washington's leadership
00:59:04.484 --> 00:59:06.150
the military would be subordinated
00:59:06.150 --> 00:59:08.601
to civilian authority.
00:59:09.150 --> 00:59:10.918
Ours was an exceptional revolution
00:59:10.918 --> 00:59:13.468
because of exceptional behavior or virtue.
00:59:14.717 --> 00:59:16.084
A modern Cincinnatus,
00:59:16.084 --> 00:59:18.651
he laid down his sword in Annapolis
00:59:18.651 --> 00:59:21.881
and picked up his plow at Mount Vernon.
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.717
America stood at a crossroads,
00:59:24.717 --> 00:59:27.515
(inaudible) was significant for what did not happen,
00:59:27.605 --> 00:59:29.652
without fanfare an incident
00:59:29.652 --> 00:59:31.184
that could have destroyed America
00:59:31.184 --> 00:59:33.485
quietly slipped into history.
00:59:33.485 --> 00:59:35.451
There would have been no constitutional convention,
00:59:35.451 --> 00:59:37.952
no presidency, no country
00:59:37.952 --> 00:59:40.601
without his leadership.
00:59:41.217 --> 00:59:43.050
Virtuous leaders are necessary,
00:59:43.050 --> 00:59:45.084
for example and for inspiration.
00:59:45.084 --> 00:59:47.251
Washington earned his place in history
00:59:47.251 --> 00:59:49.051
by being that virtuous leader.
00:59:49.051 --> 00:59:51.251
He understood the power of leaders
00:59:51.251 --> 00:59:53.834
in setting the course of a nation.
00:59:54.418 --> 00:59:57.417
We are living on in the legacy of
00:59:57.417 --> 01:00:00.168
Washington's transformational leadership.
01:00:01.084 --> 01:00:05.535
And concerning this, I can not tell a lie.
01:00:07.351 --> 01:00:11.334
(applause)
01:00:28.818 --> 01:00:30.385
So now you guys see if you haven't
01:00:30.385 --> 01:00:32.551
been to one of these history fairs,
01:00:32.551 --> 01:00:34.984
you need to go.
01:00:34.984 --> 01:00:36.417
You just need to go.
01:00:36.417 --> 01:00:38.517
You need to make time to go.
01:00:40.277 --> 01:00:44.568
Members I move that we accept the resolution.
01:00:49.317 --> 01:00:50.651
Oh you moved I'm sorry.
01:00:52.651 --> 01:00:55.002
Yeah you moved to accept the resolution.
01:00:56.182 --> 01:00:57.652
All those in favor say Aye.
01:00:57.652 --> 01:00:59.219
Aye.
01:00:59.219 --> 01:01:01.486
Okay the resolution is adopted.
01:01:01.486 --> 01:01:01.984
Thank you.
01:01:01.984 --> 01:01:04.334
Thank you.
01:01:04.334 --> 01:01:06.401
That was amazing and I just kind of want to adjourn
01:01:06.401 --> 01:01:07.761
the meeting,
01:01:07.761 --> 01:01:10.984
if we didn't have to go on because I'm focused on
01:01:10.984 --> 01:01:12.917
doing great things here.
01:01:12.917 --> 01:01:15.668
But I guess we all are today, so that's great.
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.702
I want to go over the approval...
01:01:21.184 --> 01:01:23.219
We have public testimony first thing
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:26.601
and we have three testifiers today.
01:01:29.918 --> 01:01:33.401
Debora Davis, followed by Randy Hutchens.
01:01:35.951 --> 01:01:40.101
Debora Davis, Randy Hutchens.
01:01:44.184 --> 01:01:47.334
Lori Heinz.
01:02:26.885 --> 01:02:29.018
Good morning my name is Debbie Davis,
01:02:29.018 --> 01:02:32.603
I am first and foremost and sometimes just a mom.
01:02:33.285 --> 01:02:35.884
I have the privilege of loving overwhelmingly
01:02:35.884 --> 01:02:37.784
and nurturing completely,
01:02:37.784 --> 01:02:41.568
but I have the duty to protect and insure the education
01:02:42.017 --> 01:02:43.817
of my child.
01:02:43.817 --> 01:02:46.317
The latter is not a responsibility that I take lightly
01:02:46.317 --> 01:02:48.255
nor one that I would ever entrust to those
01:02:48.255 --> 01:02:51.119
who have no direct or vested interest in my child's
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.018
well being or who have agendas that run counter
01:02:54.018 --> 01:02:57.469
to ensuring that my son reaches his full potential.
01:02:57.985 --> 01:02:59.850
I actively parent and I raise my child to be
01:02:59.850 --> 01:03:02.017
passionate about his education.
01:03:02.017 --> 01:03:04.884
I require that he have his eyes, ears and mind open
01:03:04.884 --> 01:03:07.085
and ready to receive the knowledge that will lead
01:03:07.085 --> 01:03:09.219
to his intellectual growth, development
01:03:09.219 --> 01:03:12.252
and ultimately his freedom.
01:03:12.252 --> 01:03:14.785
I partner with schools to assist me to that end,
01:03:14.785 --> 01:03:17.901
particularly given that they appropriate my tax dollars
01:03:17.901 --> 01:03:20.084
for that purpose.
01:03:20.084 --> 01:03:22.191
Just as I do with my son I hold educators
01:03:22.191 --> 01:03:24.822
to a very high standard of performance.
01:03:24.822 --> 01:03:27.117
As a result I have a very high performing
01:03:27.117 --> 01:03:30.484
eighth grade honor student who is academically advanced.
01:03:30.484 --> 01:03:33.484
In school he was in the gifted talented program,
01:03:33.484 --> 01:03:35.422
the national junior honor society,
01:03:35.422 --> 01:03:37.584
on the A Honor Role, while taking pre AP
01:03:37.584 --> 01:03:40.985
and one high school algebra class in the eighth grade.
01:03:40.985 --> 01:03:44.385
He was also an outstanding student athlete.
01:03:44.385 --> 01:03:47.290
And do note that I am saying was.
01:03:48.623 --> 01:03:51.051
He has never in his eight years in school to date
01:03:51.051 --> 01:03:53.284
had a discipline referral.
01:03:53.284 --> 01:03:56.284
He not only exceeds expectations in the classroom
01:03:56.284 --> 01:03:59.418
but on standardized assessments of knowledge as well.
01:03:59.418 --> 01:04:01.317
Just a few weeks ago,
01:04:01.317 --> 01:04:03.251
and this is why I repeated was,
01:04:03.251 --> 01:04:05.884
on a morning when he should have been tutoring
01:04:05.884 --> 01:04:08.984
children in, his peers, in math because he has
01:04:08.984 --> 01:04:11.319
a way of explaining things better than some
01:04:11.319 --> 01:04:14.718
of his teachers, I dematriculated him.
01:04:14.718 --> 01:04:18.073
I took him out of school away from his teachers,
01:04:18.184 --> 01:04:21.653
away from his coaches and away from his peers,
01:04:21.653 --> 01:04:25.104
much to his consternation.
01:04:25.851 --> 01:04:28.535
I took him away to protect him.
01:04:29.120 --> 01:04:33.170
Not from bullies, not from predators or pedophiles
01:04:34.285 --> 01:04:37.051
but to protect him from the school administrators,
01:04:37.051 --> 01:04:40.451
to protect him from Leander ISD administrators
01:04:40.451 --> 01:04:42.803
and to protect him from you.
01:04:43.884 --> 01:04:45.320
In the winter of 2014,
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.484
I first became aware of, and concerned,
01:04:47.484 --> 01:04:51.369
alarmed really with a practice that everyone knows exists
01:04:52.484 --> 01:04:54.752
but nobody wants to admit to.
01:04:54.752 --> 01:04:57.435
It's a threat to my child's continued academic progression
01:04:57.651 --> 01:04:58.985
and success.
01:04:58.985 --> 01:05:00.817
I'm sure everybody's familiar with the term
01:05:00.817 --> 01:05:03.320
teaching to the test.
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.350
And I'm just gonna kind of wing it from here
01:05:05.350 --> 01:05:08.851
because standing here before you it's really frustrating
01:05:08.851 --> 01:05:12.251
seeing how faraway, how disconnected you all are
01:05:12.251 --> 01:05:13.920
from what actually happens
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.268
from your policies.
01:05:20.050 --> 01:05:22.801
That not only impacts my child
01:05:23.386 --> 01:05:26.904
but that impacts thousands of children in this State.
01:05:29.118 --> 01:05:32.320
My very bright honor student is being home schooled
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:36.902
until I can get him into a school in a few weeks.
01:05:38.651 --> 01:05:41.102
Because this time last year...
01:05:41.184 --> 01:05:43.534
May I continue?
01:05:43.951 --> 01:05:46.984
It began with his advanced placement math teacher
01:05:46.984 --> 01:05:50.835
who decided she can no longer advance the TEACs.
01:05:52.051 --> 01:05:55.417
She had to give the kids practice Star assessments
01:05:55.417 --> 01:05:58.701
everyday, for months.
01:05:59.151 --> 01:06:01.318
Months ahead of the Star assessments.
01:06:01.318 --> 01:06:03.053
Now we all know that Star assessments begin
01:06:03.053 --> 01:06:05.951
at the end of March, beginning of April.
01:06:05.951 --> 01:06:08.684
In December she started giving the kids
01:06:08.684 --> 01:06:10.851
practice Star assessments,
01:06:10.851 --> 01:06:13.318
in lieu of actual education.
01:06:13.318 --> 01:06:16.102
After a few days of this I addressed it with her,
01:06:16.151 --> 01:06:17.684
she was afraid of losing her job
01:06:17.684 --> 01:06:20.151
or it impacting her career,
01:06:20.151 --> 01:06:22.884
so after a few weeks I addressed it with the Principal
01:06:22.884 --> 01:06:26.117
and he asked me to be patient while he worked through it.
01:06:26.117 --> 01:06:28.184
Because after all the teachers were concerned
01:06:28.184 --> 01:06:31.184
with their careers and this was all new to
01:06:31.184 --> 01:06:33.351
a lot of the teachers and you know
01:06:33.351 --> 01:06:35.222
standardized assessments they,
01:06:35.222 --> 01:06:37.218
especially here in Texas,
01:06:37.218 --> 01:06:40.486
they're very powerful and everybody
01:06:40.486 --> 01:06:43.200
has to perform well.
01:06:43.784 --> 01:06:45.952
And after a few months,
01:06:45.952 --> 01:06:47.351
well after a few weeks after that,
01:06:47.351 --> 01:06:50.322
I attempted to address it with Leander ISD:
01:06:50.322 --> 01:06:52.301
they pointed the finger at you.
01:06:52.917 --> 01:06:54.386
It's not our fault,
01:06:54.386 --> 01:06:56.284
it's yours.
01:06:56.284 --> 01:07:00.268
And so I reached out to TEA and a lot of you
01:07:00.518 --> 01:07:01.651
I was ignored.
01:07:01.651 --> 01:07:03.517
That's not surprising.
01:07:04.417 --> 01:07:06.151
When I finally got someone in
01:07:06.151 --> 01:07:07.751
the Department of Student Assessment
01:07:07.751 --> 01:07:10.384
they pointed the finger back at Leander ISD.
01:07:10.384 --> 01:07:13.101
And so I did what any parent would do,
01:07:13.450 --> 01:07:15.851
any parent worth her salt would do,
01:07:15.851 --> 01:07:18.101
I took action to protect my child.
01:07:18.517 --> 01:07:22.118
His education, because that is paramount to me.
01:07:22.118 --> 01:07:24.351
And I refused the Star assessments,
01:07:24.351 --> 01:07:26.251
not because he may have failed,
01:07:26.251 --> 01:07:27.718
as a matter of fact I should have brought a copy
01:07:27.718 --> 01:07:28.784
for you to see.
01:07:28.784 --> 01:07:30.751
He excels at standardized assessments.
01:07:30.751 --> 01:07:31.951
He likes to take them,
01:07:31.951 --> 01:07:34.650
just as I did when I was a child.
01:07:34.650 --> 01:07:36.884
I refused not because he may have failed,
01:07:36.884 --> 01:07:39.351
he doesn't have test anxiety,
01:07:39.351 --> 01:07:43.501
he in no way would have been unhappy
01:07:43.753 --> 01:07:44.951
to take the assessment.
01:07:44.951 --> 01:07:48.251
I refused because this peculiar institution that you have
01:07:48.251 --> 01:07:51.451
here in Texas, the Star assessments,
01:07:51.451 --> 01:07:54.451
replaces true education.
01:07:54.451 --> 01:07:55.987
You may want to say,
01:07:55.987 --> 01:07:56.893
what a horrible school,
01:07:56.893 --> 01:07:58.452
or why were these teachers doing this?
01:07:58.452 --> 01:08:00.984
But it was your policies that directed them.
01:08:00.984 --> 01:08:02.895
Your policies.
01:08:02.895 --> 01:08:05.417
And do you know that policy is transmitted
01:08:05.417 --> 01:08:07.984
via the Texas Association of School Boards.
01:08:07.984 --> 01:08:10.387
There's a little flyer, a primer,
01:08:10.967 --> 01:08:13.834
that your director, TEA's director of student assessments
01:08:15.351 --> 01:08:17.485
sends out to schools who have problem parents
01:08:17.485 --> 01:08:20.767
like myself, who have outstanding students.
01:08:21.918 --> 01:08:23.917
We're not compliant enough,
01:08:23.917 --> 01:08:27.101
we won't allow you to hijack our children's education.
01:08:27.418 --> 01:08:29.517
So they send around this primer telling them
01:08:29.517 --> 01:08:31.717
how to punish us,
01:08:31.717 --> 01:08:34.435
to make sure we don't do it again.
01:08:34.651 --> 01:08:37.634
They just scored the answer documents a zero
01:08:38.286 --> 01:08:40.251
and in the greater scheme of things I suppose
01:08:40.251 --> 01:08:42.417
that's really not a big deal,
01:08:42.417 --> 01:08:46.167
because again my kid is an honor student.
01:08:46.684 --> 01:08:48.618
But when I dematriculated him
01:08:48.618 --> 01:08:51.284
and I wanted to enroll him in a private school
01:08:51.284 --> 01:08:54.218
that actually values education,
01:08:54.218 --> 01:08:57.984
they said, "Oh well according to the
01:08:57.984 --> 01:09:00.701
Star assessment, he can't read, write [or do] arithmetic."
01:09:01.484 --> 01:09:04.267
He's been fluently reading since he was four years old.
01:09:04.589 --> 01:09:06.384
He's been doing mathematical computations
01:09:06.384 --> 01:09:08.500
since he was three years old.
01:09:11.018 --> 01:09:13.268
And because he didn't take an assessment,
01:09:13.318 --> 01:09:14.318
he didn't touch it,
01:09:14.318 --> 01:09:15.918
he didn't see it,
01:09:15.918 --> 01:09:18.351
not because he refused, because I refused.
01:09:18.351 --> 01:09:21.601
Because of your policies his school refused to educate him.
01:09:22.017 --> 01:09:24.234
Your policies.
01:09:24.251 --> 01:09:26.251
And as a parent I did everything,
01:09:26.251 --> 01:09:27.684
I reached out to the teachers,
01:09:27.684 --> 01:09:29.256
I reached out to the administration,
01:09:29.256 --> 01:09:30.885
I reached out to the school district
01:09:30.885 --> 01:09:32.319
and I reached out to you.
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:34.618
And you all ignored me.
01:09:34.618 --> 01:09:37.251
You ignored every other parent who tried to
01:09:37.251 --> 01:09:39.718
tell you what was going on.
01:09:39.718 --> 01:09:43.278
And now the result is that my bright honor student
01:09:44.051 --> 01:09:45.518
sits at home,
01:09:45.518 --> 01:09:48.269
while you sit here talking about accountability.
01:09:50.284 --> 01:09:54.668
At the beginning you talked about being thankful,
01:09:55.484 --> 01:09:58.338
thank you.
01:09:59.217 --> 01:10:02.101
Thank you Ms Davis, Mr (inaudible).
01:10:02.101 --> 01:10:04.735
No stay up there because I think (talking over each other).
01:10:04.735 --> 01:10:06.252
If you don't mind I'd like to respond
01:10:06.252 --> 01:10:09.089
and forgive me I'm not able to speak into my microphone
01:10:09.089 --> 01:10:10.051
and look at you.
01:10:10.051 --> 01:10:12.551
I'll do the best I can.
01:10:12.551 --> 01:10:16.875
First let me say that as a board member I hear your pain
01:10:19.085 --> 01:10:24.002
I hear your frustration and I that it's a
01:10:24.784 --> 01:10:28.185
sad state of affairs when an honor student,
01:10:28.185 --> 01:10:30.418
like your child,
01:10:30.418 --> 01:10:33.169
is taken out of the Texas public school system.
01:10:33.551 --> 01:10:35.851
And I respect your decision to do so,
01:10:35.851 --> 01:10:37.985
I'm sorry that it came to the point that
01:10:37.985 --> 01:10:40.118
you felt like that was the only action
01:10:40.118 --> 01:10:42.453
that you can take.
01:10:42.453 --> 01:10:45.217
But with regard to the State Board of Education
01:10:45.217 --> 01:10:49.001
one role that we play
01:10:49.751 --> 01:10:51.685
is to allow members
01:10:51.685 --> 01:10:54.451
of the public like yourself to come and
01:10:54.451 --> 01:10:58.635
to voice your position and your frustration,
01:10:59.785 --> 01:11:02.934
and to allow you to bring to the forefront
01:11:03.819 --> 01:11:06.484
what I consider to be a very important issue
01:11:06.484 --> 01:11:09.720
which is the over emphasis of standardize testing
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:11.618
in our public school system.
01:11:11.618 --> 01:11:13.851
I think that's what you're speaking to.
01:11:13.851 --> 01:11:16.685
But in defense to myself and my colleagues
01:11:16.685 --> 01:11:20.718
we are not the implementers, the administrators,
01:11:20.718 --> 01:11:24.834
the originators of the Star exam system.
01:11:25.684 --> 01:11:29.977
In fact we have one person who's sitting on
01:11:29.977 --> 01:11:31.484
a board of 15,
01:11:31.484 --> 01:11:33.384
a commission of 15,
01:11:33.384 --> 01:11:35.551
to look at accountability.
01:11:35.551 --> 01:11:37.950
And so we're gonna have one voice
01:11:37.950 --> 01:11:40.085
out of 15 as to whether or not
01:11:40.085 --> 01:11:42.485
standardize tests continue to play a major role
01:11:42.485 --> 01:11:44.586
in accountability going forward,
01:11:44.586 --> 01:11:46.317
but we had absolutely nothing to do,
01:11:46.317 --> 01:11:48.385
and I can guarantee you I never voted
01:11:48.385 --> 01:11:50.151
and neither did any of my colleagues
01:11:50.151 --> 01:11:53.853
by law, never voted on the implementation of
01:11:53.853 --> 01:11:55.451
the Star exam.
01:11:55.451 --> 01:11:58.120
Or the (inaudible) exam, or the (inaudible) exam.
01:11:58.120 --> 01:12:00.286
Or any other exam that's being administered
01:12:00.286 --> 01:12:02.586
in Texas public schools.
01:12:02.586 --> 01:12:05.685
What we do essentially is we review text books
01:12:05.685 --> 01:12:09.735
and we decide on the standards that are going to be tested,
01:12:10.618 --> 01:12:13.917
but we do not have any authority or jurisdiction
01:12:13.917 --> 01:12:18.037
or power to address
01:12:18.157 --> 01:12:19.535
whether or not
01:12:19.535 --> 01:12:22.701
the role that standardize tests play.
01:12:23.685 --> 01:12:26.484
I know my response sounds like,
01:12:26.484 --> 01:12:28.318
to a frustrated parent,
01:12:28.318 --> 01:12:30.385
that we're passing the buck
01:12:30.385 --> 01:12:33.150
or pointing the finger or whatever.
01:12:33.150 --> 01:12:34.984
But all I'm simply trying to do,
01:12:34.984 --> 01:12:38.317
is to tell you that I commiserate very much
01:12:38.317 --> 01:12:40.451
with your feelings.
01:12:40.451 --> 01:12:43.251
It saddens me that we get
01:12:43.251 --> 01:12:45.451
to the point in our education system
01:12:45.451 --> 01:12:48.318
that parents like you feel like you have to take
01:12:48.318 --> 01:12:52.051
a student like your child out of the system.
01:12:52.051 --> 01:12:55.117
But our hands are tied in that regard.
01:12:55.117 --> 01:12:58.268
I hope that a transcript of your talk,
01:12:58.268 --> 01:13:01.369
which was very compelling could be given to the legislature
01:13:01.369 --> 01:13:04.302
because that's where it begins.
01:13:04.302 --> 01:13:07.533
That's where Sar, Tacs, Toss,
01:13:07.533 --> 01:13:10.285
all the testing regiment, all of that begins
01:13:10.285 --> 01:13:12.619
in the legislature and it's imposed upon the
01:13:12.619 --> 01:13:16.169
Texas Education Agency to implement it and not us.
01:13:16.584 --> 01:13:20.901
So I hope you hear the tenor of my remarks
01:13:21.384 --> 01:13:25.370
which is I'm very sorry that you're at this position.
01:13:25.818 --> 01:13:28.601
I'm sorry that our public school system
01:13:28.601 --> 01:13:31.901
has found itself in this predicament,
01:13:32.151 --> 01:13:34.219
and I hope that those who have the power
01:13:34.219 --> 01:13:37.668
to do something about it hear what you have to say.
01:13:38.466 --> 01:13:41.101
And so I just want to thank you for being here.
01:13:41.884 --> 01:13:44.401
Mr Ratliff.
01:13:44.718 --> 01:13:46.702
I echo the comments of my colleague.
01:13:46.702 --> 01:13:48.352
And thank you for coming and thank you
01:13:48.352 --> 01:13:50.951
for being an advocate for your child.
01:13:50.951 --> 01:13:52.518
My wife is a high school Spanish teacher
01:13:52.518 --> 01:13:55.385
and I have a son who's a junior in his public school today.
01:13:55.385 --> 01:13:59.068
And so we walk this journey with you everyday,
01:13:59.385 --> 01:14:01.817
we see it and we feel it.
01:14:01.817 --> 01:14:03.817
And I don't know if you heard my comments
01:14:03.817 --> 01:14:06.385
to our colleague that does have that seat on the commission,
01:14:06.385 --> 01:14:08.936
if we want well rounded kids we need a well rounded
01:14:08.936 --> 01:14:10.217
accountability system.
01:14:10.217 --> 01:14:12.685
And there are things that colleges, employers
01:14:12.685 --> 01:14:15.486
and the general public tell us are important
01:14:15.486 --> 01:14:17.918
that have nothing to do with a bubble sheet.
01:14:17.918 --> 01:14:20.485
And the change has started,
01:14:20.485 --> 01:14:23.151
last session they changed it from 15 to 5,
01:14:23.151 --> 01:14:27.968
but I still believe deeply that the problem isn't the test
01:14:27.968 --> 01:14:30.285
it's the stakes riding on the test.
01:14:30.285 --> 01:14:31.892
Nobody opposes their kids,
01:14:31.892 --> 01:14:34.251
or objects to their kids being tested to make sure
01:14:34.251 --> 01:14:35.385
they're learning,
01:14:35.385 --> 01:14:36.585
we all support that.
01:14:36.585 --> 01:14:39.585
The problem I've got and that most, if not all,
01:14:39.585 --> 01:14:41.285
of the parents and teachers I talk to
01:14:41.285 --> 01:14:42.585
and students,
01:14:42.585 --> 01:14:43.651
we don't mind being tested,
01:14:43.651 --> 01:14:45.650
we just want the State of Texas to say they're
01:14:45.650 --> 01:14:48.317
other things going on in that school that matter,
01:14:48.317 --> 01:14:50.350
that are important.
01:14:50.350 --> 01:14:51.686
And with House bill 5
01:14:51.686 --> 01:14:52.751
and looking at the different endorsements
01:14:52.751 --> 01:14:54.519
they realized that there's not just one way
01:14:54.519 --> 01:14:56.919
to define a smart kid.
01:14:56.919 --> 01:14:58.918
And so I think we are getting there,
01:14:58.918 --> 01:15:00.052
we're not there yet.
01:15:00.052 --> 01:15:02.025
And the accountability system,
01:15:02.025 --> 01:15:03.668
the reason why that teacher
01:15:03.668 --> 01:15:05.768
was doing those practice tests is because
01:15:05.768 --> 01:15:07.620
that school district is given an A - F
01:15:07.620 --> 01:15:10.851
rating based solely on that test.
01:15:10.851 --> 01:15:13.485
And so any employee, in any company,
01:15:13.485 --> 01:15:16.219
in any part of the world when told by their
01:15:16.219 --> 01:15:18.251
employer this is how I'm gonna grade
01:15:18.251 --> 01:15:20.019
whether you keep your job,
01:15:20.019 --> 01:15:21.719
they're gonna spend their time there.
01:15:21.719 --> 01:15:24.268
I don't care if you're a reservation agent for an airline
01:15:24.268 --> 01:15:26.251
or a welder for a trailer company,
01:15:26.251 --> 01:15:28.018
when you're told by your boss
01:15:28.018 --> 01:15:29.919
here's what determines whether you keep your job or not
01:15:29.919 --> 01:15:31.619
that's where you're gonna spend your time,
01:15:31.619 --> 01:15:33.418
if you want to keep your job.
01:15:33.418 --> 01:15:35.385
And that's what we've done with Texas teachers,
01:15:35.385 --> 01:15:37.619
is if your kids don't do well in the test
01:15:37.619 --> 01:15:39.919
your job is in jeopardy.
01:15:39.919 --> 01:15:42.784
And it's a sad state of affairs.
01:15:42.784 --> 01:15:46.317
Now I will say one of the things that this Board
01:15:46.317 --> 01:15:47.385
has recognized,
01:15:47.385 --> 01:15:49.784
we do have a role to play in the amount of content
01:15:49.784 --> 01:15:52.851
we are asking teachers and kids to cover in a school year.
01:15:52.851 --> 01:15:55.251
And this Board has unanimously said,
01:15:55.251 --> 01:15:57.785
we understand that and we wanna make sure kids
01:15:57.785 --> 01:16:00.020
have time to master that content,
01:16:00.020 --> 01:16:02.284
not merely be taught that content.
01:16:02.284 --> 01:16:04.451
Because we want them to retain that knowledge,
01:16:04.451 --> 01:16:05.851
to the next year, to the next year
01:16:05.851 --> 01:16:07.651
and when they go to college.
01:16:07.651 --> 01:16:10.619
So I don't think you'll find any bigger supporters
01:16:10.619 --> 01:16:13.112
of your message than in this room.
01:16:13.112 --> 01:16:16.218
We have seen it and just like here
01:16:16.218 --> 01:16:19.517
we get blamed for it when we are the recipients
01:16:19.517 --> 01:16:22.484
of this system not the originators of it.
01:16:22.484 --> 01:16:26.084
So count us as advocates for you and if there's anyway
01:16:26.084 --> 01:16:28.934
I can help you spread your message you let me know.
01:16:29.785 --> 01:16:32.834
Actually the policies that,
01:16:34.020 --> 01:16:36.284
during the summer I actually submitted
01:16:36.284 --> 01:16:39.651
public information act request to get emails that went
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between both my school administrator,
01:16:42.851 --> 01:16:44.119
my child's school administrators
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the Leander ISD administration and TEA.
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It is, whether I understand the relationship between
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the Star assessments and the legislature,
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believe you me,
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I understand.
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But it is TEA's application of policy that not only
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runs counter to education for children but it tramples
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upon parental rights.
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These are your policies,
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there is no doubt about this.
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Now you may not personally be aware,
01:17:16.118 --> 01:17:17.518
but I can assure you,
01:17:17.518 --> 01:17:19.501
these are your policies.
01:17:20.252 --> 01:17:22.919
Let me draw a distinction,
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there are things that the legislature empowers
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the agency to do that still don't involve us.
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And so when you say TEA
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there are things that TEA does that we have
01:17:32.435 --> 01:17:34.151
no authority over whatsoever.
01:17:34.151 --> 01:17:35.518
We have, as my colleague mentioned,
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we set the standards, we adopt the instructional materials,
01:17:38.185 --> 01:17:41.286
we approve or [veto] charter schools
01:17:41.286 --> 01:17:43.351
and we manage the permanent school fund.
01:17:43.351 --> 01:17:45.963
But anything with regards to testing or accountability
01:17:45.963 --> 01:17:48.486
we are passengers on that ship not the captain.
01:17:50.216 --> 01:17:52.352
And I'm happy to if you wanna share with me anything
01:17:52.352 --> 01:17:53.825
you've received from the agency to show,
01:17:53.825 --> 01:17:55.717
if we're accountable,
01:17:55.717 --> 01:17:58.452
we do not want to duck accountability for what we've done
01:17:58.452 --> 01:17:59.687
or not done.
01:17:59.687 --> 01:18:01.284
But when you say TEA policies
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there are great many things they do
01:18:03.584 --> 01:18:07.234
that we have no input or no oversight whatsoever.
01:18:07.653 --> 01:18:10.518
Okay well their, TEA's position is that
01:18:10.518 --> 01:18:14.334
The State Board of Education has directed them
01:18:14.517 --> 01:18:17.384
to the Texas Association of School Boards
01:18:17.384 --> 01:18:20.352
for the policy that requires them to
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falsify a students performance record.
01:18:22.985 --> 01:18:24.752
To say that they took an assessment that
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they did not.
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That is what TEA says,
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that you are responsible,
01:18:29.918 --> 01:18:33.737
that you are behind the TEA's primer,
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that says hey we don't want any involvement
01:18:37.850 --> 01:18:40.318
with kids not taking the state assessments.
01:18:40.318 --> 01:18:43.468
So let's just pretend that they did.
01:18:43.618 --> 01:18:44.752
We don't want to answer to the State,
01:18:44.752 --> 01:18:46.385
we don't want to answer to Federal government,
01:18:46.385 --> 01:18:47.518
we don't answer to the parents,
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so we'll just lie.
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TEA says it's you.
01:18:50.884 --> 01:18:53.523
If you will forward those emails to me,
01:18:53.523 --> 01:18:54.996
you and I can get to the bottom of this
01:18:54.996 --> 01:18:56.784
and find the answer to it.
01:18:56.784 --> 01:18:57.620
My email is real easy,
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it's thomas@thomasratliff.com.
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And since you brought up the Federal government,
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I would,
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I forgot to mention in grades three through eight
01:19:05.552 --> 01:19:06.987
the vast majority of the testing
01:19:06.987 --> 01:19:08.341
in grades three through eight are required
01:19:08.341 --> 01:19:09.752
from the Federal government,
01:19:09.752 --> 01:19:10.851
not even the State government.
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So we're a third class passenger on that boat,
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:15.951
not even a second or a first class passenger.
01:19:17.771 --> 01:19:19.919
I hear you and I'm with you
01:19:19.919 --> 01:19:22.087
and I have advocated for us to withdraw from
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No child left Behind and give Texas back control
01:19:24.418 --> 01:19:27.217
of our classrooms instead of the federal government.
01:19:27.217 --> 01:19:29.452
But unfortunately the legislature has grown addicted
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to the money from the Federal government
01:19:31.517 --> 01:19:33.552
and they're willing to take the strings attached.
01:19:33.552 --> 01:19:35.217
And I don't think it's a fair trade.
01:19:35.217 --> 01:19:36.917
I think we ought to give them the money back
01:19:36.917 --> 01:19:38.352
and take control back.
01:19:38.352 --> 01:19:39.720
So I'll help you in any way.
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Thank you for being here.
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Thank you.
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Mr Maynard?
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Thank you Madam Chairman
01:19:45.084 --> 01:19:46.353
and I'll just again echo you and I
01:19:46.353 --> 01:19:50.669
have had a conversation and I guess
01:19:50.919 --> 01:19:52.350
that my concern,
01:19:52.350 --> 01:19:53.719
where I followed up with your superintendent
01:19:53.719 --> 01:19:56.451
I was very curious and I guess
01:19:56.451 --> 01:19:59.351
it's gets my level of concern was is that
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every parent, every stakeholder in the district
01:20:04.417 --> 01:20:06.551
is entitled to some kind of due process through
01:20:06.551 --> 01:20:09.734
the grievance process
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and that it's my understanding that
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there were some issues with that
01:20:15.118 --> 01:20:18.951
and that in terms of documents
01:20:21.451 --> 01:20:24.470
mysteriously being lost or going away
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and in spite of you (inaudible).
01:20:29.320 --> 01:20:31.954
At least that was my understanding of that
01:20:31.954 --> 01:20:34.734
and so I guess my question to you is that,
01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:37.951
has there been any kind of further followup with
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the school district in any times
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in terms of addressing your concerns?
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After I notified the school district that I filed
01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:46.984
a civil rights complaint with the Federal government
01:20:46.984 --> 01:20:50.184
they finally agreed to allow me to have a FERPA hearing
01:20:50.184 --> 01:20:52.052
and we actually had that hearing last week.
01:20:52.052 --> 01:20:54.451
We won't have a decision but I can assure you,
01:20:54.451 --> 01:20:56.185
I can tell you how it turned out,
01:20:56.185 --> 01:20:59.652
because of the way that the
01:20:59.652 --> 01:21:02.117
State accountability system is managed.
01:21:02.117 --> 01:21:05.151
Their position is that they have no way to attach
01:21:05.151 --> 01:21:09.735
a statement, as the Federal law requires, to my son's,
01:21:10.619 --> 01:21:15.134
to the Star assessment results that were attributed
01:21:15.584 --> 01:21:16.485
to my son.
01:21:16.485 --> 01:21:19.453
He did not take a Star assessment last spring.
01:21:19.453 --> 01:21:22.184
So they're saying oh well we have no way because
01:21:22.184 --> 01:21:24.750
the next school could pull that from online,
01:21:24.750 --> 01:21:26.052
for example.
01:21:26.052 --> 01:21:27.984
So we can't attach a statement to that
01:21:27.984 --> 01:21:29.285
so oh well.
01:21:29.285 --> 01:21:31.820
And in the words of my school's Principal,
01:21:31.820 --> 01:21:33.184
yeah looks like he failed the test,
01:21:33.184 --> 01:21:35.451
so what.
01:21:35.451 --> 01:21:38.386
Well it means a lot to a parent who wants
01:21:38.386 --> 01:21:40.867
to enroll her child in school and can't.
01:21:42.419 --> 01:21:45.684
So and just as a followup the,
01:21:47.894 --> 01:21:52.303
in terms of your objection to your student taking the Star,
01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:58.019
is more to do perhaps with the over emphasis of the Star
01:21:58.019 --> 01:22:01.300
and just sort of feeding that dragon
01:22:01.851 --> 01:22:03.852
over and over and over again
01:22:03.852 --> 01:22:06.984
and it is more of you kind of making a statement
01:22:06.984 --> 01:22:09.884
that you're tired of your children being,
01:22:09.884 --> 01:22:11.451
your child being tested to death
01:22:11.451 --> 01:22:12.886
over and over and over.
01:22:12.886 --> 01:22:15.734
And that it's supplanting real education.
01:22:16.084 --> 01:22:19.201
Yes, I don't have any objections to Star assessments.
01:22:19.201 --> 01:22:21.217
There are parents who have very valid
01:22:21.217 --> 01:22:22.485
and legitimate objections.
01:22:22.485 --> 01:22:24.221
I do not object.
01:22:24.221 --> 01:22:25.185
Because I don't,
01:22:25.185 --> 01:22:26.350
my kid does well,
01:22:26.350 --> 01:22:29.001
it's not my stake in the ground.
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:32.519
What I object to is my child last year
01:22:32.519 --> 01:22:34.619
was in an advanced placement math class,
01:22:34.619 --> 01:22:36.320
he was in the seventh grade last year,
01:22:36.320 --> 01:22:38.620
he was taking an eighth grade math class.
01:22:38.620 --> 01:22:41.751
His math teacher refused to teach math.
01:22:41.751 --> 01:22:45.402
Instead she gave them old Star assessments that she acquired
01:22:45.685 --> 01:22:48.552
from, I guess they released them at some point,
01:22:48.552 --> 01:22:52.102
that's what she did in lieu of actual mathematics.
01:22:52.385 --> 01:22:54.252
And when I asked her to stop
01:22:54.252 --> 01:22:56.884
and approached the Principal and said no more,
01:22:56.884 --> 01:22:58.784
what she did was she cut the top off
01:22:58.784 --> 01:23:00.735
that said Star and gave it to him anyway.
01:23:01.251 --> 01:23:03.720
And she told me that she would try
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:05.418
in the weeks after,
01:23:05.418 --> 01:23:06.418
this began in December,
01:23:06.418 --> 01:23:08.787
she was going to try in the weeks after
01:23:08.787 --> 01:23:10.485
the Star assessment in the spring,
01:23:10.485 --> 01:23:12.297
the two weeks before summer vacation
01:23:12.297 --> 01:23:14.051
to cover some of that material.
01:23:14.051 --> 01:23:15.684
So that when he went to the eighth grade
01:23:15.684 --> 01:23:17.418
and took a high school algebra,
01:23:17.418 --> 01:23:19.152
well it wouldn't matter that he didn't
01:23:19.152 --> 01:23:21.418
learn all of these pre-algebraic principles because
01:23:21.418 --> 01:23:23.920
they were probably just going to review anyway.
01:23:24.652 --> 01:23:26.953
Pardon me but that's ridiculous
01:23:26.953 --> 01:23:29.817
and as a parent I'm not standing for that.
01:23:29.817 --> 01:23:31.884
None of you should stand for that.
01:23:31.884 --> 01:23:34.784
No parent in this room should stand for that.
01:23:34.784 --> 01:23:36.517
You want our input as parents,
01:23:36.517 --> 01:23:38.218
you want our help,
01:23:38.218 --> 01:23:40.218
I'm telling you I want yours.
01:23:40.218 --> 01:23:42.802
We direct our children's education
01:23:43.217 --> 01:23:45.184
you partner with us to do that.
01:23:45.184 --> 01:23:47.119
That is not education.
01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:49.419
Madam Chair just as a follow up
01:23:49.419 --> 01:23:51.918
and this is something that happened this past spring
01:23:51.918 --> 01:23:55.117
and Vaughn it's my understanding that the legislature
01:23:55.117 --> 01:23:57.484
did pass some legislation to limit the amount
01:23:57.484 --> 01:23:59.585
of time that can be spent on assessments
01:23:59.585 --> 01:24:02.735
and those types types of things,
01:24:02.918 --> 01:24:04.118
would that be accurate?
01:24:04.118 --> 01:24:05.556
That's correct,
01:24:05.556 --> 01:24:07.352
in chapter 39,
01:24:07.352 --> 01:24:10.851
there is a provision that limits the use
01:24:10.851 --> 01:24:13.801
of local preparatory assessments.
01:24:14.317 --> 01:24:16.895
And when did that take affect?
01:24:16.895 --> 01:24:20.051
That was passed several years ago.
01:24:22.581 --> 01:24:25.601
Let's see if I can find it real quick.
01:24:26.052 --> 01:24:27.484
I think there was one in this last session,
01:24:27.484 --> 01:24:28.251
was there not?
01:24:28.251 --> 01:24:29.751
Yeah I was thinking last session too.
01:24:29.751 --> 01:24:31.617
The one last session tried...
01:24:31.617 --> 01:24:33.584
They had two different provisions
01:24:33.584 --> 01:24:36.702
and they tried to align them.
01:24:39.036 --> 01:24:41.918
So the concept wasn't new last session
01:24:41.918 --> 01:24:46.035
it was trying to make sense of the two different provisions
01:24:46.117 --> 01:24:48.039
they had in chapter 39.
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:49.173
All right thank you.
01:24:49.173 --> 01:24:50.301
So you're...
01:24:50.301 --> 01:24:52.154
I just want to make sure I'm understanding Ms Davis.
01:24:52.154 --> 01:24:54.484
So the main objection is that...
01:24:54.484 --> 01:24:57.453
is not the assessment at the end
01:24:57.453 --> 01:24:59.551
it's that they do all this prep work
01:24:59.551 --> 01:25:01.286
and constantly feeding--
01:25:01.286 --> 01:25:02.685
Right for months ahead of.
01:25:02.685 --> 01:25:04.586
For months, (talking over each other).
01:25:04.586 --> 01:25:06.384
So it's really kind of a local district policy
01:25:06.384 --> 01:25:07.184
that is--
01:25:07.184 --> 01:25:09.251
That they got directly from TEA.
01:25:09.251 --> 01:25:11.284
No, no not on that note.
01:25:11.284 --> 01:25:13.950
No TEA would't have told them anything about how to
01:25:13.950 --> 01:25:15.386
prepare for the Star,
01:25:15.386 --> 01:25:18.546
or direct them to prepare for Star.
01:25:18.546 --> 01:25:19.651
Right the school district,
01:25:19.651 --> 01:25:20.518
I agree with you,
01:25:20.518 --> 01:25:22.217
but the school district feels
01:25:22.217 --> 01:25:26.335
and they direct the blame for their policies to TEA
01:25:26.752 --> 01:25:28.918
on the preparation matter.
01:25:28.918 --> 01:25:31.618
They feel that the pressure coming from the State
01:25:31.618 --> 01:25:32.651
from the,
01:25:32.651 --> 01:25:34.051
even from the legislature, from TEA
01:25:34.051 --> 01:25:37.468
is so great that this is what they're required to do
01:25:37.918 --> 01:25:39.968
and they want to keep their jobs.
01:25:41.058 --> 01:25:43.067
And this really burned me,
01:25:43.067 --> 01:25:44.884
as if I didn't have many reasons
01:25:44.884 --> 01:25:47.151
to refuse before,
01:25:47.151 --> 01:25:49.620
when I first submitted my written refusal
01:25:49.620 --> 01:25:51.385
and they were trying to tell me that I couldn't
01:25:51.385 --> 01:25:54.019
and my response was oh yeah watch me,
01:25:54.019 --> 01:25:56.484
and the Principal even said to me,
01:25:56.484 --> 01:25:58.951
because again accountability is more important to them
01:25:58.951 --> 01:26:00.519
than education [of] our children.
01:26:00.519 --> 01:26:02.185
They said well you know
01:26:02.185 --> 01:26:05.520
Joshua scores really high on assessment scores
01:26:06.080 --> 01:26:08.867
they looked at his previous two Star assessments
01:26:08.867 --> 01:26:10.317
since we've moved here to Texas,
01:26:10.317 --> 01:26:11.653
and they said, you know
01:26:11.653 --> 01:26:13.784
because he's not white we really need him
01:26:13.784 --> 01:26:16.303
to take this assessment and do well.
01:26:16.318 --> 01:26:18.535
Well, no,
01:26:18.535 --> 01:26:20.553
that's ridiculous.
01:26:20.553 --> 01:26:21.918
It can not be,
01:26:21.918 --> 01:26:24.051
their pressure
01:26:24.051 --> 01:26:25.952
yes is it local policy, yes.
01:26:25.952 --> 01:26:27.618
But they feel that their pressure,
01:26:27.618 --> 01:26:29.618
that pressure is so great coming from
01:26:29.618 --> 01:26:31.353
the Texas Education Agency.
01:26:31.353 --> 01:26:32.785
Coming from the legislature,
01:26:32.785 --> 01:26:34.318
that this is their only recourse.
01:26:34.318 --> 01:26:36.218
Right, well I definitely would
01:26:36.218 --> 01:26:39.668
encourage further discussions at the local school board
01:26:40.117 --> 01:26:42.386
about the amount of preparation that's required
01:26:42.386 --> 01:26:43.008
in the district for sure.
01:26:43.008 --> 01:26:43.838
I'm that parent,
01:26:43.838 --> 01:26:45.369
they won't even talk to me anymore.
01:26:46.609 --> 01:26:48.435
But they do have open meeting so...
01:26:48.435 --> 01:26:49.386
Ms Perez.
01:26:49.386 --> 01:26:50.418
Thank you Madam Chair.
01:26:50.418 --> 01:26:52.017
Just a point of clarification,
01:26:52.017 --> 01:26:53.284
as somebody that currently works
01:26:53.284 --> 01:26:53.934
in the school district,
01:26:53.934 --> 01:26:55.751
I don't necessarily think that it's a policy,
01:26:55.751 --> 01:26:58.717
a policy issue regarding how much time is spent
01:26:58.717 --> 01:27:01.417
but Ms Davis my heart breaks for you
01:27:01.417 --> 01:27:03.518
because you're absolutely right.
01:27:03.518 --> 01:27:05.084
It's the amount of pressure
01:27:05.084 --> 01:27:07.118
that the school district feels,
01:27:07.118 --> 01:27:08.418
that administration feels,
01:27:08.418 --> 01:27:10.051
teachers feel,
01:27:10.051 --> 01:27:12.468
and I think point blank
01:27:12.468 --> 01:27:15.367
the context of this whole argument is
01:27:15.367 --> 01:27:16.817
always the amount of time that we spend
01:27:16.817 --> 01:27:18.636
and the pressure that our students
01:27:18.636 --> 01:27:20.085
are under to test.
01:27:20.085 --> 01:27:21.717
And that pressure of course
01:27:21.717 --> 01:27:24.518
it trickles down into the younger
01:27:24.518 --> 01:27:25.184
grade levels,
01:27:25.184 --> 01:27:27.218
because you're fearful for the next grade
01:27:27.218 --> 01:27:28.651
where they have to test
01:27:28.651 --> 01:27:31.084
and so listening to your testimony
01:27:31.084 --> 01:27:33.151
and you're on the verge of tears
01:27:33.151 --> 01:27:34.718
it breaks my heart.
01:27:34.718 --> 01:27:37.284
I wish that we had more authority to do something
01:27:37.284 --> 01:27:40.185
but what I will promise you,
01:27:40.185 --> 01:27:42.551
you know yesterday during our committee
01:27:42.551 --> 01:27:44.719
on instruction we heard from two very
01:27:44.719 --> 01:27:46.818
three very impassioned parents,
01:27:46.818 --> 01:27:48.851
who have the same issue
01:27:48.851 --> 01:27:52.227
and we want to help
01:27:54.151 --> 01:27:57.684
and because of their testimony yesterday
01:27:57.684 --> 01:28:00.784
we actually had a pretty interesting conversation
01:28:00.784 --> 01:28:04.050
regarding what role we can play as a State Board,
01:28:04.050 --> 01:28:07.517
in helping to guide that conversation
01:28:07.517 --> 01:28:09.520
as to what accountability should look like.
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.884
And unfortunately
01:28:11.884 --> 01:28:13.486
in this commission I don't know why
01:28:13.486 --> 01:28:16.184
we were only given one role.
01:28:16.184 --> 01:28:17.684
As a State Board of Education I think
01:28:17.684 --> 01:28:19.550
we need to be primary on that,
01:28:19.550 --> 01:28:22.100
but they don't ask us.
01:28:22.100 --> 01:28:24.118
But with the one person that we do have
01:28:24.118 --> 01:28:25.585
that's going to be representing,
01:28:25.585 --> 01:28:27.601
representative (inaudible)
01:28:27.601 --> 01:28:28.684
she's incredible.
01:28:28.684 --> 01:28:30.584
She's been a teacher,
01:28:30.584 --> 01:28:33.651
she understands and it's incumbent
01:28:33.651 --> 01:28:35.684
upon us as elected officials
01:28:35.684 --> 01:28:38.356
representing the members in our area,
01:28:38.356 --> 01:28:40.218
representing the constituents in our area
01:28:40.218 --> 01:28:42.052
that we talk to you all before we bring
01:28:42.052 --> 01:28:45.884
our suggestions to member (inaudible)
01:28:45.884 --> 01:28:47.684
who will be talking on that commission.
01:28:47.684 --> 01:28:49.918
So the voice that she will be,
01:28:49.918 --> 01:28:50.819
that she will have,
01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:52.384
the voice that she will represent
01:28:52.384 --> 01:28:53.918
at this commission won't be the voice,
01:28:53.918 --> 01:28:54.884
won't be our voices,
01:28:54.884 --> 01:28:56.085
the 15 of us,
01:28:56.085 --> 01:28:58.353
it should be the voices of parents like yourself
01:28:58.353 --> 01:29:00.052
who come up and take the time from work,
01:29:00.052 --> 01:29:01.852
take the time from child care,
01:29:01.852 --> 01:29:04.185
to come up and share your concerns.
01:29:04.185 --> 01:29:07.118
So that's a charge that we all have
01:29:07.118 --> 01:29:09.219
leaving this Board meeting today.
01:29:09.219 --> 01:29:10.417
We need to go back,
01:29:10.417 --> 01:29:11.752
we need to talk to our parents
01:29:11.752 --> 01:29:13.652
and we all know how to contact,
01:29:13.652 --> 01:29:16.418
how to contact these parent organizations.
01:29:16.418 --> 01:29:17.886
We need to hear from teachers too
01:29:17.886 --> 01:29:20.285
because the concerns that you're having,
01:29:20.285 --> 01:29:22.084
we hear it from educators too.
01:29:22.084 --> 01:29:24.401
They don't have fun teaching any more.
01:29:24.401 --> 01:29:26.885
Their heart breaks for their kids
01:29:26.885 --> 01:29:28.518
because they feel,
01:29:28.518 --> 01:29:30.324
it's either their job
01:29:30.324 --> 01:29:31.667
is on the line,
01:29:31.667 --> 01:29:33.939
or their kids are failing.
01:29:33.939 --> 01:29:38.319
And so it's a catch 22 for educators as well.
01:29:38.619 --> 01:29:40.051
And administrators feel that pressure,
01:29:40.051 --> 01:29:43.201
so ultimately what we need to do
01:29:43.201 --> 01:29:44.218
is go back...
01:29:44.218 --> 01:29:45.651
Our homework is to go back,
01:29:45.651 --> 01:29:47.317
talk to the people that we represent
01:29:47.317 --> 01:29:48.719
and make sure that when we come back
01:29:48.719 --> 01:29:50.317
as a body,
01:29:50.317 --> 01:29:51.750
share our concerns
01:29:51.750 --> 01:29:53.819
and share what we've learned from our constituents
01:29:53.819 --> 01:29:56.119
with Ms (inaudible) when she goes
01:29:56.119 --> 01:29:58.317
and she speaks on behalf of this Board
01:29:58.317 --> 01:30:01.218
and the people that we represent on the Commission.
01:30:01.218 --> 01:30:03.118
So I want to let you know that we will be working on that
01:30:03.118 --> 01:30:04.851
and if you need anything from me
01:30:04.851 --> 01:30:06.917
as well, though I'm not your State Board member
01:30:06.917 --> 01:30:08.452
I am always happy to help.
01:30:08.452 --> 01:30:10.417
And I'll meet you in the back in just a little bit,
01:30:10.417 --> 01:30:11.851
so we can talk.
01:30:11.851 --> 01:30:13.818
Thank you.
01:30:13.818 --> 01:30:14.971
Yeah I just wanna make sure,
01:30:14.971 --> 01:30:16.318
did you hear our conversation earlier about,
01:30:16.318 --> 01:30:19.284
the Board is actually going out all over the state.
01:30:19.284 --> 01:30:20.350
Yes.
01:30:20.350 --> 01:30:22.051
To gather information just like
01:30:22.051 --> 01:30:23.684
you're talking about.
01:30:23.684 --> 01:30:26.518
This is a way of actually trying to get
01:30:26.518 --> 01:30:27.784
the parent information,
01:30:27.784 --> 01:30:30.084
make sure the commission considers that, so...
01:30:30.084 --> 01:30:31.984
Anyway I just wanted to make sure
01:30:31.984 --> 01:30:34.284
that you knew that we were trying to make that effort.
01:30:34.284 --> 01:30:35.717
Mr Mercer.
01:30:35.717 --> 01:30:37.118
Thank you and thank you Ms Davis.
01:30:37.118 --> 01:30:38.518
I know it's a blessing to your child
01:30:38.518 --> 01:30:40.251
to have an advocate out there.
01:30:40.251 --> 01:30:41.517
And I've talked to several parents
01:30:41.517 --> 01:30:42.884
and they'd let me know
01:30:42.884 --> 01:30:44.085
but I'm hearing the same thing,
01:30:44.085 --> 01:30:45.118
that y'all can't do anything.
01:30:45.118 --> 01:30:46.718
And that's probably what you're feeling right now.
01:30:46.718 --> 01:30:48.884
And I'm gonna be very honest
01:30:48.884 --> 01:30:50.684
and I hate that feeling.
01:30:50.684 --> 01:30:51.955
It's interesting because right now,
01:30:51.955 --> 01:30:52.751
this is so ironic,
01:30:52.751 --> 01:30:53.984
right now as we speak
01:30:53.984 --> 01:30:55.119
they're trying to reauthorize
01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:55.952
No child left Behind.
01:30:55.952 --> 01:30:57.618
I know it's a different name.
01:30:57.618 --> 01:30:59.818
In fact right now as we're speaking they're trying
01:30:59.818 --> 01:31:01.351
to allow it to be put out there
01:31:01.351 --> 01:31:02.318
as we do on this Board,
01:31:02.318 --> 01:31:03.918
out there for 60 days,
01:31:03.918 --> 01:31:05.052
to anybody,
01:31:05.052 --> 01:31:06.552
us, Board members, citizens,
01:31:06.552 --> 01:31:07.951
can go look at it,
01:31:07.951 --> 01:31:09.285
and my colleague mentioned
01:31:09.285 --> 01:31:10.518
and what I call the big dog,
01:31:10.518 --> 01:31:11.184
the big (inaudible)
01:31:11.184 --> 01:31:11.851
was the Federal government
01:31:11.851 --> 01:31:14.719
and what they require in our high stakes testing.
01:31:14.719 --> 01:31:15.818
And that is the problem
01:31:15.818 --> 01:31:17.218
it's high stakes testing.
01:31:17.218 --> 01:31:19.686
Right now I'm hoping that the Congress
01:31:19.686 --> 01:31:21.096
has the guts to put it out there
01:31:21.096 --> 01:31:22.317
where parents like you and people
01:31:22.317 --> 01:31:23.917
like us can go on there and say,
01:31:23.917 --> 01:31:25.585
hey this is the problem.
01:31:25.585 --> 01:31:27.218
And again people will always argue politically,
01:31:27.218 --> 01:31:28.885
Mr Mercer it's not a re-authorization
01:31:28.885 --> 01:31:30.620
of No child left Behind.
01:31:30.620 --> 01:31:31.651
Well I don't see the word stupid
01:31:31.651 --> 01:31:33.460
on anybodies forehead here.
01:31:33.460 --> 01:31:34.284
That's my big problem.
01:31:34.284 --> 01:31:36.901
But it's ironic that this exactly what's happening right now
01:31:36.901 --> 01:31:39.267
and you're frustrated, I'm frustrated too,
01:31:39.267 --> 01:31:40.368
but I think we need to stop
01:31:40.368 --> 01:31:41.568
and start with the big dog,
01:31:41.568 --> 01:31:43.153
the Federal government and go on there
01:31:43.153 --> 01:31:45.084
and let them know how bad this is.
01:31:45.084 --> 01:31:47.702
I hope you agree with me on that because I've had
01:31:47.702 --> 01:31:49.067
many parents tell me Mr Mercer
01:31:49.067 --> 01:31:51.067
I'm tired of you telling me that you can't do anything.
01:31:51.067 --> 01:31:52.868
Who can do something?
01:31:52.868 --> 01:31:55.002
And we're telling you it's the Federal government,
01:31:55.002 --> 01:31:56.701
the State's telling us that it's the Federal government,
01:31:56.701 --> 01:31:58.218
I'm sorry we're telling you it's State,
01:31:58.218 --> 01:31:59.951
the State's telling you it's the Federal government.
01:31:59.951 --> 01:32:01.753
Well the big dog right now is the Federal government
01:32:01.753 --> 01:32:03.118
and right now as we're talking
01:32:03.118 --> 01:32:05.118
they're trying to reauthorize this thing.
01:32:05.118 --> 01:32:06.652
And it's a time for us as Board members,
01:32:06.652 --> 01:32:08.485
all of us and the people across the street
01:32:08.485 --> 01:32:10.353
and moms and dads that...
01:32:10.353 --> 01:32:12.384
Hopefully they'll authorize to put it online
01:32:12.384 --> 01:32:14.153
and we can see it.
01:32:14.153 --> 01:32:16.218
It's a couple thousand paged document,
01:32:16.218 --> 01:32:16.934
sound familiar,
01:32:16.934 --> 01:32:18.618
and they want to pass it without reading it.
01:32:18.618 --> 01:32:19.312
I won't go any further,
01:32:19.312 --> 01:32:19.918
on that one.
01:32:19.918 --> 01:32:21.450
I'll give you two quick stories,
01:32:21.450 --> 01:32:23.650
I want you to know teachers too are crying.
01:32:23.650 --> 01:32:25.967
I had a judge that stopped me at an event
01:32:25.967 --> 01:32:28.167
for a major district here in San Antonio
01:32:28.167 --> 01:32:30.302
and with a teacher who was a science teacher
01:32:30.302 --> 01:32:32.035
she was telling the story (inaudible)
01:32:32.035 --> 01:32:34.185
you know my son has never gotten an A in science
01:32:34.185 --> 01:32:36.968
and all of a sudden this year he's got A's in science
01:32:36.968 --> 01:32:38.268
I can't believe it.
01:32:38.268 --> 01:32:39.169
And when I talked to him about it
01:32:39.169 --> 01:32:40.252
he can't tell me anything.
01:32:40.252 --> 01:32:41.668
And the teacher's there talking,
01:32:41.668 --> 01:32:42.518
and said well what, you know,
01:32:42.518 --> 01:32:44.185
and she said look at my class
01:32:44.185 --> 01:32:47.269
there's stacks of the modules for the science
01:32:47.269 --> 01:32:48.901
experiments, never opened.
01:32:48.901 --> 01:32:52.469
Because that year she was told the high stakes test
01:32:52.469 --> 01:32:53.985
is not science.
01:32:53.985 --> 01:32:56.071
And I met a third or fifth grade teacher,
01:32:56.071 --> 01:32:57.184
beautiful young lady,
01:32:57.184 --> 01:32:59.335
maybe 26, 27 years old,
01:32:59.335 --> 01:33:00.685
in tears, an educator,
01:33:00.685 --> 01:33:02.367
she told me this is her last year of teaching.
01:33:02.367 --> 01:33:04.168
Because every Friday she turns in
01:33:04.168 --> 01:33:05.834
her six classes times five days,
01:33:05.834 --> 01:33:08.534
her 30 curriculums of what's taught for the next week.
01:33:08.534 --> 01:33:09.767
Which is good,
01:33:09.767 --> 01:33:11.336
she has to show upfront she's thought,
01:33:11.336 --> 01:33:14.001
the Principal went through and lined out
01:33:14.001 --> 01:33:15.117
everything.
01:33:15.117 --> 01:33:15.768
Everything,
01:33:15.768 --> 01:33:16.952
social studies gone,
01:33:16.952 --> 01:33:18.417
everything else because that year
01:33:18.417 --> 01:33:19.936
whatever the two high...
01:33:19.936 --> 01:33:21.184
I believe it was science and math
01:33:21.184 --> 01:33:22.485
for that grade level,
01:33:22.485 --> 01:33:23.851
and she was in tears and quitting
01:33:23.851 --> 01:33:25.351
because she couldn't take it anymore.
01:33:25.351 --> 01:33:26.817
Because I can't teach,
01:33:26.817 --> 01:33:28.651
I'm told not only what to teach,
01:33:28.651 --> 01:33:29.351
now how to teach.
01:33:29.351 --> 01:33:30.438
And she couldn't teach those,
01:33:30.438 --> 01:33:31.638
they were lined out,
01:33:31.638 --> 01:33:32.868
and she showed me the stuff on there
01:33:32.868 --> 01:33:35.501
because that's not being part of the high stakes testing
01:33:35.501 --> 01:33:36.085
this year.
01:33:36.085 --> 01:33:37.536
So you're right on.
01:33:37.536 --> 01:33:38.835
The teacher's frustrated too,
01:33:38.835 --> 01:33:41.669
but you know what I'm not giving you any help at all
01:33:41.669 --> 01:33:42.937
other than telling you I feel the same thing
01:33:42.937 --> 01:33:44.568
and we need to do something about it.
01:33:44.568 --> 01:33:46.728
But the answer is high stakes testing
01:33:46.728 --> 01:33:48.001
and it starts with the Federal government.
01:33:48.001 --> 01:33:49.868
So maybe we can all agree to at least do something
01:33:49.868 --> 01:33:50.855
about that.
01:33:50.855 --> 01:33:52.734
Ms Hardy.
01:33:52.734 --> 01:33:54.534
Yes I think the most frustrating thing
01:33:54.534 --> 01:33:57.621
is that you've had a hard time not getting any answers
01:33:57.621 --> 01:33:58.720
to your questions.
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:01.470
And so therefore you end up here with us
01:34:01.470 --> 01:34:05.867
and I think Mr Rowley from Amarillo
01:34:06.901 --> 01:34:08.601
explained it as best
01:34:08.601 --> 01:34:10.634
anyone could possibly do so.
01:34:10.634 --> 01:34:12.967
I appreciate the fact though,
01:34:12.967 --> 01:34:15.201
and I think that several people on this committee
01:34:15.201 --> 01:34:17.801
have already misunderstood what you're saying.
01:34:17.801 --> 01:34:19.769
What you're saying is,
01:34:19.769 --> 01:34:22.636
you support the high stakes testing,
01:34:22.636 --> 01:34:26.567
you don't support the preparation in the way
01:34:26.567 --> 01:34:29.168
of getting to those high stakes testings.
01:34:29.418 --> 01:34:31.800
I support standardized assessments.
01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:32.668
Exactly.
01:34:32.668 --> 01:34:34.085
As an assessment of knowledge.
01:34:34.085 --> 01:34:36.667
I do not support high stakes testing.
01:34:36.667 --> 01:34:37.601
Well I mean whatever it is,
01:34:37.601 --> 01:34:38.752
the thing about it is,
01:34:38.752 --> 01:34:42.168
I support the fact that we should have tests
01:34:42.168 --> 01:34:44.968
because if we don't I can tell you
01:34:44.968 --> 01:34:46.421
there would be a real drop
01:34:46.421 --> 01:34:48.468
in the amount of learning going in.
01:34:48.468 --> 01:34:51.435
But what you've experienced is spending
01:34:51.435 --> 01:34:53.668
so much time prepping for a test
01:34:53.668 --> 01:34:55.368
that they're not really having
01:34:55.368 --> 01:34:56.201
time to learn.
01:34:56.201 --> 01:34:58.018
And I can tell you that is duplicated in districts
01:34:58.018 --> 01:35:00.468
all over the State.
01:35:00.468 --> 01:35:02.268
What the student should be able to do
01:35:02.268 --> 01:35:04.635
and absolutely there's nothing wrong
01:35:04.635 --> 01:35:06.000
of teaching to the test.
01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:07.168
We've given the standards
01:35:07.168 --> 01:35:09.201
they should teach those standards.
01:35:09.201 --> 01:35:11.201
You can say that's teaching to the test,
01:35:11.201 --> 01:35:13.001
that's what we want them to learn.
01:35:13.001 --> 01:35:14.534
Yeah, that's not teaching to the test though.
01:35:14.534 --> 01:35:17.163
That is teaching to the test in educational terms.
01:35:17.163 --> 01:35:18.935
I have a standard,
01:35:18.935 --> 01:35:20.167
I want the kids to learn,
01:35:20.167 --> 01:35:21.502
I teach to that standard.
01:35:21.502 --> 01:35:23.735
But what we're doing is when we shut down
01:35:23.735 --> 01:35:26.268
schools for benchmarks,
01:35:26.268 --> 01:35:28.634
they don't even know what the word benchmark means,
01:35:28.634 --> 01:35:30.834
and test and test again,
01:35:30.834 --> 01:35:32.551
trying to get to that final test,
01:35:32.551 --> 01:35:35.070
is ridiculous and I totally agree with you.
01:35:35.070 --> 01:35:36.968
I have been frustrated with it
01:35:36.968 --> 01:35:40.868
from a number of years and really we can
01:35:40.868 --> 01:35:42.234
all kind of kick the dog
01:35:42.234 --> 01:35:44.268
and everyone blame the next person down.
01:35:44.268 --> 01:35:46.402
And it is the fact that they've put too much
01:35:46.402 --> 01:35:47.908
emphasis on the test,
01:35:47.908 --> 01:35:51.069
and that students success on those tests
01:35:51.069 --> 01:35:53.134
whether or not they are whatever,
01:35:53.134 --> 01:35:57.001
and the schools rating is developed around that test
01:35:57.386 --> 01:36:00.068
we should put emphasis on leaning
01:36:00.068 --> 01:36:03.902
and then test to see that the student has learned.
01:36:04.518 --> 01:36:06.502
We have gaps in there,
01:36:06.502 --> 01:36:07.950
we need to go back and work at it again.
01:36:07.950 --> 01:36:10.084
But I totally agree with you,
01:36:10.084 --> 01:36:13.634
this idea of spending half of a term
01:36:13.634 --> 01:36:17.802
prepping for a test and not really learning
01:36:17.802 --> 01:36:21.534
too that information is wrong.
01:36:21.669 --> 01:36:23.834
And I see it all the time.
01:36:23.834 --> 01:36:24.969
Madam Chair.
01:36:24.969 --> 01:36:27.236
Yes Mr Bradley.
01:36:27.236 --> 01:36:29.401
I really appreciate the testimony
01:36:29.401 --> 01:36:31.601
but this is turning into a policy discussion
01:36:31.601 --> 01:36:34.634
rather than just asking a few questions of--
01:36:34.634 --> 01:36:36.034
Our testifier.
01:36:36.034 --> 01:36:37.569
Our testifier.
01:36:37.569 --> 01:36:39.767
We're not supposed to have a discussion.
01:36:39.767 --> 01:36:42.134
You know I will tell you Ms Davis that we are
01:36:42.134 --> 01:36:43.052
actually,
01:36:43.052 --> 01:36:45.531
this will be an ongoing agenda item as long as
01:36:45.531 --> 01:36:46.687
the commission...
01:36:46.687 --> 01:36:48.111
The commission's report is gonna be issued
01:36:48.111 --> 01:36:50.603
September first of next year.
01:36:50.603 --> 01:36:52.701
And we will have at the State Board
01:36:52.701 --> 01:36:55.990
every agenda will have a posting to
01:36:55.990 --> 01:36:59.534
have a discussion about assessments and accountability.
01:36:59.534 --> 01:37:02.361
So you're welcome to come back any time.
01:37:02.361 --> 01:37:03.169
Thank you.
01:37:03.169 --> 01:37:04.534
Really appreciate it, thank you Ms Davis.
01:37:04.534 --> 01:37:06.018
Thank you.
01:37:06.018 --> 01:37:09.568
Randy Huchens followed by Lori Heinz.
01:37:11.051 --> 01:37:13.901
Randy Huchens.
01:37:18.586 --> 01:37:20.218
Good to see you Mr Huchens.
01:37:20.218 --> 01:37:22.684
Thank you, it's good to be here.
01:37:23.934 --> 01:37:25.834
Everybody getting their handout.
01:37:26.544 --> 01:37:28.868
We don't have to work any problems today,
01:37:28.868 --> 01:37:31.118
so we're good.
01:37:31.118 --> 01:37:32.684
My name is Randy Huchens
01:37:32.684 --> 01:37:34.451
a parent of two middle school children.
01:37:34.451 --> 01:37:36.668
I thank you for allowing me time
01:37:36.668 --> 01:37:38.617
to address you this morning.
01:37:38.617 --> 01:37:41.183
On a weekend in mid October I decided to sit down
01:37:41.183 --> 01:37:43.801
and work all the 2014 math Staar assessments
01:37:43.801 --> 01:37:45.153
for grades three through eight
01:37:45.153 --> 01:37:47.584
and compared the questions with the released
01:37:47.584 --> 01:37:50.134
2015 star assessments.
01:37:50.134 --> 01:37:53.469
I've provided you a summery copy of what I have found.
01:37:53.469 --> 01:37:56.934
Since then I have been looking at wording of the 1998
01:37:56.934 --> 01:37:58.801
TEACS and the 2012 TEACS,
01:37:58.801 --> 01:38:01.252
in the moving of the process standards.
01:38:01.485 --> 01:38:03.385
What I first thought would be an easy exercise
01:38:03.385 --> 01:38:05.652
of identifying how the process standards
01:38:05.652 --> 01:38:07.968
were the sole problem with the new TEACS
01:38:07.968 --> 01:38:10.267
turned out to be a harder task.
01:38:10.267 --> 01:38:13.370
What I found was that there are some
01:38:13.370 --> 01:38:16.170
specific methodologies called out in the content standards
01:38:16.170 --> 01:38:19.099
and those methods along with the process standards
01:38:19.099 --> 01:38:21.602
calling for multiple techniques
01:38:21.602 --> 01:38:23.434
are the source of the problem.
01:38:23.434 --> 01:38:25.568
We heard during testimony yesterday
01:38:25.568 --> 01:38:28.134
from a math expert that the old way of teaching
01:38:28.134 --> 01:38:29.968
the standard algorithm was not effective
01:38:29.968 --> 01:38:31.401
because the teachers would just show
01:38:31.401 --> 01:38:33.269
the students the algorithm and then tell them
01:38:33.269 --> 01:38:35.234
to work the homework problems
01:38:35.234 --> 01:38:36.635
and that the new way of teaching
01:38:36.635 --> 01:38:38.469
brings in conceptual understanding.
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I say this is a straw man argument.
01:38:41.318 --> 01:38:43.219
The standard algorithm should never be taught
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without including conceptual understanding
01:38:45.735 --> 01:38:47.650
of how and why it works.
01:38:47.650 --> 01:38:50.902
We also heard the problems we are seeing,
01:38:50.902 --> 01:38:52.867
our implementation problems in the classroom
01:38:52.867 --> 01:38:54.702
and that the teachers have not had the
01:38:54.702 --> 01:38:57.375
proper professional development to teach the new TEACS.
01:38:57.375 --> 01:38:59.368
I disagree with this assessment.
01:38:59.368 --> 01:39:02.034
If teachers were having a hard time teaching one method,
01:39:02.034 --> 01:39:03.500
the standard algorithm,
01:39:03.500 --> 01:39:05.635
the problem is multiplied when you force
01:39:05.635 --> 01:39:07.967
the teaching of multiple methods.
01:39:07.967 --> 01:39:11.135
Let's look at some examples of the teaching methodology
01:39:11.135 --> 01:39:15.367
and processes over content that I found in the tests.
01:39:16.751 --> 01:39:19.540
Overall the 2014 questions were much harder
01:39:19.540 --> 01:39:21.534
than the 2015 questions.
01:39:21.886 --> 01:39:24.305
The only area where that might not be true
01:39:24.305 --> 01:39:25.935
is where a TEAC was moved down,
01:39:25.935 --> 01:39:28.102
into a lower grade level.
01:39:29.185 --> 01:39:31.085
So on the first example here from third grade,
01:39:31.085 --> 01:39:32.917
this is a 2014...
01:39:32.917 --> 01:39:35.818
This is an example of a problem that takes eight steps
01:39:35.818 --> 01:39:37.734
to solve.
01:39:37.734 --> 01:39:41.301
On the next page from 2015 same type of problem
01:39:41.301 --> 01:39:42.434
but only three steps.
01:39:42.434 --> 01:39:43.801
So this is less rigorous.
01:39:43.801 --> 01:39:45.567
So everything you've heard about the new stuff
01:39:45.567 --> 01:39:48.201
being more rigorous is not true.
01:39:49.051 --> 01:39:50.787
The next page is a fifth grade assignment,
01:39:50.787 --> 01:39:52.437
problem four,
01:39:52.437 --> 01:39:55.601
you're testing the understanding of an area model,
01:39:56.017 --> 01:39:58.134
this pictorial presentation,
01:39:58.134 --> 01:40:01.868
you're not asking for them to solve for the problem,
01:40:01.868 --> 01:40:03.401
do the mathematics,
01:40:03.401 --> 01:40:05.863
only to recognize this model.
01:40:05.863 --> 01:40:09.205
This is not mathematics.
01:40:09.205 --> 01:40:11.668
Problem six is another example of testing
01:40:11.668 --> 01:40:14.067
the understanding of a pictorial model.
01:40:14.318 --> 01:40:15.841
Notice they don't have to solve anything,
01:40:15.841 --> 01:40:17.668
it's just recognizing this model.
01:40:19.278 --> 01:40:20.252
Problem nine,
01:40:20.252 --> 01:40:22.752
this is all fifth grade,
01:40:22.752 --> 01:40:25.418
how they want the student to solve this is to
01:40:25.418 --> 01:40:28.852
actually mark out the box on the chart
01:40:28.852 --> 01:40:30.753
and then count them up instead
01:40:30.753 --> 01:40:33.301
of actually performing the math.
01:40:35.318 --> 01:40:37.753
The next page is from sixth grade.
01:40:37.753 --> 01:40:39.684
I've never had to use or remember the definition
01:40:39.684 --> 01:40:42.285
of a whole integer rational number.
01:40:42.285 --> 01:40:44.584
It is much more important to know
01:40:44.584 --> 01:40:47.068
how to use these numbers in calculations.
01:40:47.486 --> 01:40:50.085
What this problem seems to be looking for
01:40:50.085 --> 01:40:53.517
is do they understand what a Venn diagram is.
01:40:53.517 --> 01:40:55.885
The next problem is also from sixth grade.
01:40:55.885 --> 01:41:00.334
It's another pictorial model,
01:41:00.851 --> 01:41:02.188
a number line.
01:41:02.188 --> 01:41:03.868
They don't even have to solve it,
01:41:03.868 --> 01:41:06.135
this is not mathematics.
01:41:06.135 --> 01:41:09.034
These are processes and methodology.
01:41:09.186 --> 01:41:10.786
Seventh grade the next page.
01:41:10.786 --> 01:41:11.550
Same thing.
01:41:11.550 --> 01:41:13.518
Pictorial model,
01:41:13.518 --> 01:41:15.484
this isn't mathematics
01:41:15.484 --> 01:41:17.584
and why in seventh grade would you have to draw
01:41:17.584 --> 01:41:19.918
boxes to solve this problem?
01:41:19.918 --> 01:41:21.968
Why are they being tested on this?
01:41:21.968 --> 01:41:22.885
Eighth grade,
01:41:22.885 --> 01:41:24.284
same thing,
01:41:24.284 --> 01:41:26.301
Venn diagrams.
01:41:29.217 --> 01:41:29.867
It just,
01:41:29.867 --> 01:41:31.568
it doesn't make sense.
01:41:32.485 --> 01:41:34.251
And then the last page,
01:41:34.251 --> 01:41:35.786
this problem is an example of
01:41:35.786 --> 01:41:38.501
deeper conceptual understanding with the new TEACS
01:41:38.501 --> 01:41:39.786
are trying to provide.
01:41:39.786 --> 01:41:41.835
But can anyone tell me what the practical
01:41:41.835 --> 01:41:43.734
application of the answer of this problem is?
01:41:44.994 --> 01:41:46.502
This problem is testing that the student
01:41:46.502 --> 01:41:48.434
can understand the definition of a function
01:41:48.434 --> 01:41:50.322
in a diagram format.
01:41:51.652 --> 01:41:54.456
Each input also known as the domain can only have one output
01:41:54.456 --> 01:41:56.768
also known as the range.
01:41:58.285 --> 01:41:58.935
But you can't...
01:41:58.935 --> 01:42:00.570
This isn't practical,
01:42:00.570 --> 01:42:02.769
this isn't something you would use
01:42:02.769 --> 01:42:05.001
out in an industry anywhere.
01:42:05.001 --> 01:42:06.401
You're just testing the definition,
01:42:06.401 --> 01:42:09.469
do they understand that definition of a function?
01:42:10.587 --> 01:42:13.235
So these are just some brief summaries.
01:42:13.235 --> 01:42:15.768
The larger packet that I gave you
01:42:15.768 --> 01:42:17.367
goes into greater detail,
01:42:17.367 --> 01:42:19.268
it lists the TEACS themselves
01:42:19.268 --> 01:42:21.834
and the wording in the TEACS that forces
01:42:21.834 --> 01:42:25.768
these kind of methodology and process questions.
01:42:26.351 --> 01:42:29.117
Instead of really content knowledge,
01:42:29.117 --> 01:42:31.434
can they perform actual calculations?
01:42:32.118 --> 01:42:36.036
So this has come about because of what's in the TEACS.
01:42:40.685 --> 01:42:44.700
I think we need to get back to a more traditional math.
01:42:45.017 --> 01:42:46.451
We need to get rid of
01:42:46.451 --> 01:42:50.967
the specificity of pictorial models
01:42:51.685 --> 01:42:52.984
and area models
01:42:52.984 --> 01:42:54.618
and get back to real arithmetic.
01:42:54.618 --> 01:42:56.734
One thing you could do is go look
01:42:56.734 --> 01:42:58.918
at what California had released.
01:42:58.918 --> 01:43:01.401
I think Dr Heinz had mentioned that in yesterdays testimony,
01:43:01.684 --> 01:43:04.234
included a link where you could go and just print that out.
01:43:04.517 --> 01:43:05.621
We would be much better getting
01:43:05.621 --> 01:43:07.801
back to something like that.
01:43:08.051 --> 01:43:10.168
I thank you for your time.
01:43:10.168 --> 01:43:11.367
Thank you Mr Huchens.
01:43:11.367 --> 01:43:12.768
Yes Ms Cargill.
01:43:13.317 --> 01:43:15.251
I'm pretty sure this took a lot of time.
01:43:16.771 --> 01:43:18.701
Did you feel like you were doing a research paper?
01:43:19.450 --> 01:43:21.167
I worked all the problems in one weekend,
01:43:21.167 --> 01:43:23.467
but it's taken me a month to go back
01:43:23.467 --> 01:43:25.634
and actually look at the wording in each of the TEACS
01:43:25.634 --> 01:43:29.669
and figure out why we're not interested in an actual answer.
01:43:30.618 --> 01:43:32.801
That we're more interested in testing over a process.
01:43:33.017 --> 01:43:36.019
Should we ask you how you did on that testing?
01:43:36.019 --> 01:43:37.735
I made one error.
01:43:37.735 --> 01:43:38.902
Out of all the tests.
01:43:38.902 --> 01:43:40.119
Seriously, wow.
01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:42.303
Could you explain what this is?
01:43:42.303 --> 01:43:45.404
The big, is this more examples?
01:43:45.721 --> 01:43:48.985
Yeah I knew I wouldn't have time to go
01:43:48.985 --> 01:43:50.787
through every example.
01:43:50.787 --> 01:43:53.334
In this one I gave examples from 2014.
01:43:54.284 --> 01:43:56.134
Oh I see.
01:43:56.317 --> 01:43:58.868
The 1998 TEACS had some of the same
01:43:58.868 --> 01:44:00.235
problems in them,
01:44:00.235 --> 01:44:03.701
where you're calling for area models or pictorial models
01:44:03.701 --> 01:44:07.701
but nothing compared to what you see in the 2015 TEACS.
01:44:09.385 --> 01:44:12.701
Would you explain to the rest of the board briefly
01:44:12.701 --> 01:44:14.998
what you said towards the end of your
01:44:14.998 --> 01:44:16.284
testimony?
01:44:16.284 --> 01:44:19.703
Yesterday where even our math expert was nodding yes,
01:44:19.884 --> 01:44:24.082
and we're all nodding yes about combining the two together,
01:44:24.785 --> 01:44:26.235
or teaching the two together.
01:44:26.551 --> 01:44:29.017
It's not that you're against the conceptual understanding
01:44:29.017 --> 01:44:33.103
stuff, but how that would work with the teaching
01:44:33.687 --> 01:44:35.967
of standard algorithms.
01:44:36.118 --> 01:44:38.684
Yes, well see, this whole math argument
01:44:38.684 --> 01:44:41.834
there's a good article by H Woon,
01:44:41.834 --> 01:44:43.351
I've provided that to you as well.
01:44:43.351 --> 01:44:45.151
A bogus (inaudible),
01:44:45.151 --> 01:44:48.467
conceptual understanding versus basic knowledge
01:44:48.467 --> 01:44:49.717
and skills.
01:44:49.717 --> 01:44:52.219
You shouldn't teach the standard algorithm
01:44:52.219 --> 01:44:55.983
without showing the conceptual understanding.
01:44:56.319 --> 01:45:00.368
So none of us are opposed to using base 10 blocks
01:45:00.368 --> 01:45:03.601
or pictorial models to introduce a concept.
01:45:04.417 --> 01:45:09.001
So you could use that to show them how the concept works,
01:45:09.284 --> 01:45:11.119
but then show them how that applies
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:12.684
to the standard algorithm.
01:45:12.684 --> 01:45:14.618
And once they understand how to use the standard algorithm
01:45:14.618 --> 01:45:17.601
you don't use those pictorial models anymore.
01:45:17.601 --> 01:45:19.401
You don't use the base 10 blocks.
01:45:19.401 --> 01:45:23.868
But instead the 2015 TEACS are
01:45:23.868 --> 01:45:25.417
forcing these pictorial models
01:45:25.417 --> 01:45:29.469
and modeling area models and all this stuff,
01:45:29.469 --> 01:45:31.417
all the way up until the seventh and eighth grade.
01:45:31.417 --> 01:45:33.650
That should be something they're way past
01:45:33.650 --> 01:45:34.851
by the seventh and eighth grade.
01:45:34.851 --> 01:45:36.101
Randy I don't think all...
01:45:36.101 --> 01:45:38.736
I think that 2015 Staar release was a sample,
01:45:38.736 --> 01:45:40.334
it wasn't the whole test,
01:45:40.334 --> 01:45:41.218
so I don't...
01:45:44.208 --> 01:45:47.434
Yeah you get about half the questions from 2015
01:45:47.434 --> 01:45:49.585
which you see in 2014,
01:45:49.585 --> 01:45:52.384
but yet there's a whole lot more of those
01:45:52.384 --> 01:45:54.568
types of problems in the sample questions.
01:45:54.852 --> 01:45:56.451
So I'm really concerned about what's in the
01:45:56.451 --> 01:45:58.351
questions they haven't released.
01:45:58.351 --> 01:45:59.184
Yeah, yeah.
01:45:59.184 --> 01:46:03.235
Well I think this is something that we need to pursue
01:46:03.318 --> 01:46:05.451
with assessment staff and just...
01:46:05.451 --> 01:46:07.218
You know it's hard to,
01:46:07.218 --> 01:46:09.951
we want our students to know the methods
01:46:09.951 --> 01:46:11.351
like you're saying,
01:46:11.351 --> 01:46:14.436
but it really is about getting the correct answer in math.
01:46:14.436 --> 01:46:14.986
We talked about,
01:46:14.986 --> 01:46:15.850
we want our surgeons to know,
01:46:15.850 --> 01:46:17.621
to be able to do correct math.
01:46:17.621 --> 01:46:18.951
Or our pilots and engineers.
01:46:18.951 --> 01:46:22.901
So this is of concern and I'd like to be able to ask,
01:46:23.017 --> 01:46:24.752
we'd have to have it as...
01:46:24.752 --> 01:46:26.217
We'd have to do it on the day of the
01:46:26.217 --> 01:46:27.717
real agenda item though,
01:46:27.717 --> 01:46:30.601
next month when we can ask staff to be here.
01:46:30.817 --> 01:46:32.935
If they're not here now.
01:46:32.935 --> 01:46:34.268
I will be here for that meeting.
01:46:34.268 --> 01:46:35.287
Thank you.
01:46:35.287 --> 01:46:36.884
Yes Mr Mercer.
01:46:36.884 --> 01:46:38.352
Thank you Madam Chair and thank you
01:46:38.352 --> 01:46:39.353
for being here today.
01:46:39.353 --> 01:46:41.317
So this is the article from Woon and then this is your...
01:46:41.317 --> 01:46:43.318
You're going through all the...
01:46:43.318 --> 01:46:46.051
What's the big attach[ment] and the 42 page,
01:46:46.051 --> 01:46:46.651
what is that one?
01:46:46.651 --> 01:46:51.001
Yeah this is where I showed each of the problems,
01:46:51.384 --> 01:46:54.701
samples from each of the tests that I thought were
01:46:54.701 --> 01:46:57.068
either showing good examples,
01:46:57.068 --> 01:46:58.751
and where there are good examples,
01:46:58.751 --> 01:47:00.751
I said this is a good example of a straight forward
01:47:00.751 --> 01:47:02.284
mathematical calculation.
01:47:02.284 --> 01:47:05.851
And then most of the ones from 2015 are examples of
01:47:05.851 --> 01:47:08.851
the pictorial things and process questions.
01:47:08.851 --> 01:47:10.751
Where you're not even looking for an answer,
01:47:10.751 --> 01:47:12.584
just recognizing the model.
01:47:12.584 --> 01:47:16.734
I also listed the verbiage from each of the TEACS,
01:47:16.734 --> 01:47:20.734
the content standard and the process standard,
01:47:21.584 --> 01:47:23.418
with each one of the questions.
01:47:23.418 --> 01:47:26.338
You're concerned that the tests are stressing
01:47:26.338 --> 01:47:29.501
not your knowledge of can you do the calculation computation?
01:47:29.501 --> 01:47:31.634
it's stressing the process model.
01:47:31.634 --> 01:47:32.519
That's absolutely correct,
01:47:32.519 --> 01:47:34.318
that's absolutely what I found
01:47:34.318 --> 01:47:36.319
and what's shown in this summery.
01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:38.251
And that ties to what I did not articulate
01:47:38.251 --> 01:47:39.667
very well at our last meeting.
01:47:39.667 --> 01:47:42.235
My concern is the length of our test.
01:47:43.018 --> 01:47:45.101
And again when I was at Wimberley
01:47:45.101 --> 01:47:46.536
we had the same kind of question
01:47:46.536 --> 01:47:48.101
and they showed exact problems in the test
01:47:48.101 --> 01:47:49.634
and they referred it to Singapore
01:47:49.634 --> 01:47:51.436
which is supposed to be their best math models.
01:47:51.436 --> 01:47:53.167
Very straightforward answers.
01:47:53.167 --> 01:47:54.168
You can compute it,
01:47:54.168 --> 01:47:55.736
you know it or not.
01:47:55.736 --> 01:47:57.449
And the problem was they had one step,
01:47:57.449 --> 01:47:59.349
you know the timeline,
01:47:59.349 --> 01:48:00.435
you know the number line,
01:48:00.435 --> 01:48:01.350
you know your numbers,
01:48:01.350 --> 01:48:02.551
your sequencing whatever.
01:48:02.551 --> 01:48:04.351
You can multiply, add, divide and whatever else.
01:48:04.351 --> 01:48:06.817
Area computations you can do that
01:48:06.817 --> 01:48:09.551
and you just did it one step.
01:48:09.551 --> 01:48:12.501
And these are offering three, four, five, seven steps.
01:48:12.501 --> 01:48:15.335
Which makes our test for our third, fourth and fifth grade
01:48:15.335 --> 01:48:16.750
even longer.
01:48:16.750 --> 01:48:18.021
You see my correlation?
01:48:18.021 --> 01:48:18.735
Yeah.
01:48:18.735 --> 01:48:19.784
I'm saying we're not testing knowledge
01:48:19.784 --> 01:48:21.701
can you compute it, yes or no
01:48:21.701 --> 01:48:22.968
and go forward.
01:48:22.968 --> 01:48:24.401
We're giving them multiple step things,
01:48:24.401 --> 01:48:27.201
which they could fail at different steps.
01:48:27.201 --> 01:48:29.118
It makes a test even longer.
01:48:29.118 --> 01:48:31.968
I'm not as concerned about the multiple steps
01:48:31.968 --> 01:48:33.368
of a problem.
01:48:33.368 --> 01:48:35.886
As long as they're straightforward calculational type stuff.
01:48:35.886 --> 01:48:38.336
What I did find was 2014
01:48:38.336 --> 01:48:41.636
all those tests are much harder than
01:48:41.636 --> 01:48:44.467
any of the sample problems I solved from 2015.
01:48:44.467 --> 01:48:45.501
But if we had three
01:48:45.501 --> 01:48:46.734
and five steps for a third grader.
01:48:46.734 --> 01:48:48.802
An eight step problem for a third grader.
01:48:48.802 --> 01:48:49.967
2014.
01:48:49.967 --> 01:48:51.018
I am concerned.
01:48:51.018 --> 01:48:52.718
I think that gives them eight places they could fail
01:48:52.718 --> 01:48:54.152
and get a wrong answer.
01:48:54.152 --> 01:48:56.135
And we're not testing their knowledge.
01:48:56.135 --> 01:48:57.117
I'm feeling what you're saying
01:48:57.117 --> 01:48:58.767
and I guess it's an item for the future
01:48:58.767 --> 01:48:59.618
that we need to discuss.
01:48:59.618 --> 01:49:01.834
But I think it's a double problem,
01:49:01.834 --> 01:49:02.701
it's the wrong stuff,
01:49:02.701 --> 01:49:04.402
we're testing processes not knowledge.
01:49:04.402 --> 01:49:06.700
And it makes our test longer.
01:49:07.551 --> 01:49:09.734
And I have a real problem with that.
01:49:09.734 --> 01:49:12.367
Mr Huchens how many of the,
01:49:12.651 --> 01:49:14.071
do you just know off the top off your head,
01:49:14.071 --> 01:49:15.834
how many released questions from the 2015...
01:49:15.834 --> 01:49:17.437
Because the test itself is not released
01:49:17.437 --> 01:49:19.102
but samples were released.
01:49:19.102 --> 01:49:20.867
Looking at just eighth grade,
01:49:20.867 --> 01:49:22.467
because I knew that question would come up,
01:49:22.467 --> 01:49:24.734
there's 56 problems in 2014.
01:49:24.734 --> 01:49:27.936
There's 27 shown in the 2015 one.
01:49:27.936 --> 01:49:29.004
So it's about half of them.
01:49:29.004 --> 01:49:29.967
About half.
01:49:29.967 --> 01:49:32.467
That were sent out as samples.
01:49:32.467 --> 01:49:34.818
Yeah but a lot more were representations of the answer
01:49:34.818 --> 01:49:36.417
not trying to get the answer.
01:49:36.417 --> 01:49:37.417
Correct.
01:49:37.417 --> 01:49:38.685
Okay.
01:49:38.685 --> 01:49:41.184
Okay any other questions of Mr Huchens.
01:49:41.184 --> 01:49:43.950
You know I wanna thank you for actually
01:49:43.950 --> 01:49:47.801
getting very specific details.
01:49:48.151 --> 01:49:49.119
Because this is,
01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:50.854
it helps me to understand exactly
01:49:50.854 --> 01:49:53.551
what you're talking about.
01:49:53.551 --> 01:49:55.551
And I appreciate you going to all this work.
01:49:55.551 --> 01:49:57.584
Thank you.
01:49:57.584 --> 01:49:58.958
Absolutely thank you.
01:49:58.958 --> 01:50:01.051
Yes,
01:50:01.051 --> 01:50:02.252
I'm sorry, oh I'm sorry,
01:50:02.252 --> 01:50:04.301
Ms Miller.
01:50:06.984 --> 01:50:10.463
To followup on Ken's or Barbara your...
01:50:11.184 --> 01:50:13.252
Getting it on the agenda for next time,
01:50:13.252 --> 01:50:16.900
in other words let's don't leave this alone.
01:50:17.184 --> 01:50:21.835
Okay, let's do what ever we can from our side
01:50:21.835 --> 01:50:24.868
of the isle, if you will Chairman,
01:50:25.085 --> 01:50:28.185
to help figure out what we can do to improve
01:50:28.185 --> 01:50:29.401
and correct this.
01:50:29.401 --> 01:50:32.401
I think this egregious thing that has happened,
01:50:32.401 --> 01:50:35.034
either us studying it,
01:50:35.218 --> 01:50:38.018
making recommendation to the legislature
01:50:38.018 --> 01:50:39.786
or whatever.
01:50:39.786 --> 01:50:43.017
But let's don't leave this alone,
01:50:43.017 --> 01:50:45.252
like okay thank you very kindly
01:50:45.252 --> 01:50:47.652
we'll see you later.
01:50:47.652 --> 01:50:49.352
I wanna do something,
01:50:49.352 --> 01:50:51.085
I think all of us wanna do something.
01:50:51.085 --> 01:50:52.485
I don't think we wanna walk away
01:50:52.485 --> 01:50:54.818
and our constituents ask us,
01:50:54.818 --> 01:50:56.752
just like this mother,
01:50:56.752 --> 01:50:58.153
asked us,
01:50:58.153 --> 01:50:59.852
what have you done?
01:50:59.852 --> 01:51:02.252
Okay, we're elected officials
01:51:02.252 --> 01:51:04.085
and we represent our constituents.
01:51:04.085 --> 01:51:05.785
And we've got a problem.
01:51:05.785 --> 01:51:07.652
Whether we like it or not we've got a problem.
01:51:07.652 --> 01:51:09.384
Let's fix it.
01:51:09.384 --> 01:51:11.753
So whatever it takes.
01:51:11.753 --> 01:51:14.517
One thing that I hope that this
01:51:14.517 --> 01:51:18.351
evaluation of the test and comparison from 2014 to 2015
01:51:18.351 --> 01:51:21.770
will do is to shed some light on how the test is changing
01:51:21.770 --> 01:51:22.952
and why it's changing.
01:51:22.952 --> 01:51:25.284
It's changing because of the actual TEACS.
01:51:25.284 --> 01:51:27.867
And this is a perfect example of why the TEA
01:51:27.867 --> 01:51:30.134
should follow House rule 43
01:51:30.134 --> 01:51:31.851
and have an independent validation
01:51:31.851 --> 01:51:33.052
of the Staar.
01:51:33.052 --> 01:51:35.301
I would also like y'all to recommend
01:51:37.291 --> 01:51:41.569
evaluating the professional development plan
01:51:41.569 --> 01:51:43.435
the TEA's recommending the teachers take.
01:51:43.435 --> 01:51:44.968
Because I've talked to plenty of teachers
01:51:44.968 --> 01:51:46.534
and the teachers are saying,
01:51:46.534 --> 01:51:47.751
all their professional development on
01:51:47.751 --> 01:51:51.085
this reform math is a de-emphasis on the answer
01:51:51.085 --> 01:51:55.401
and much more emphasis on the process.
01:51:56.051 --> 01:51:57.585
The methodology.
01:51:57.585 --> 01:51:59.801
Thank you Mr Huchens.
01:51:59.801 --> 01:52:01.153
Thank you.
01:52:01.153 --> 01:52:03.234
And Madam Chair may I just say one more thing?
01:52:04.017 --> 01:52:05.184
Staff assured us
01:52:05.184 --> 01:52:08.639
with the math academies that are coming,
01:52:09.151 --> 01:52:10.719
although we're only,
01:52:10.719 --> 01:52:12.484
only 20% of our...
01:52:12.484 --> 01:52:13.784
Is it K-8 teachers?
01:52:13.784 --> 01:52:15.251
I can't remember what they said now.
01:52:15.251 --> 01:52:18.867
This year 20% of our teachers will be
01:52:18.867 --> 01:52:19.351
trained through the
01:52:19.351 --> 01:52:22.868
math academies, which I think will be so, so helpful
01:52:22.868 --> 01:52:24.601
for professional development.
01:52:24.601 --> 01:52:26.386
And then the next year 20%--
01:52:26.386 --> 01:52:27.553
20 more percent, right?
01:52:27.553 --> 01:52:28.420
So we're only up to 40,
01:52:28.420 --> 01:52:29.953
and then the next session happens.
01:52:29.953 --> 01:52:31.670
So we've got to do everything we can
01:52:31.670 --> 01:52:35.235
to get those extra 60% trained
01:52:35.235 --> 01:52:38.234
as quickly as possible with those.
01:52:38.234 --> 01:52:40.067
Thank you Randy.
01:52:40.286 --> 01:52:41.800
Thank you.
01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:43.834
Lori Heinz.
01:53:08.084 --> 01:53:09.517
Members after this testimony
01:53:09.517 --> 01:53:11.551
it's my intention to take a quick break
01:53:11.551 --> 01:53:13.418
and come back.
01:53:57.858 --> 01:53:59.038
(inaudible)
01:54:01.117 --> 01:54:02.618
Is this on?
01:54:02.618 --> 01:54:04.385
Are we good?
01:54:04.385 --> 01:54:07.501
My name again is Lori Heinz,
01:54:07.501 --> 01:54:08.784
I have four children,
01:54:08.784 --> 01:54:10.720
I took three of them out of Leander last year
01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:12.151
and put them in private school.
01:54:12.151 --> 01:54:14.684
And I have one remaining middle schooler,
01:54:14.684 --> 01:54:17.501
who's at Canyon Ridge.
01:54:18.652 --> 01:54:21.470
Today I'm gonna talk about HB462
01:54:21.618 --> 01:54:23.685
which as we know is the Texas law that
01:54:23.685 --> 01:54:26.734
outlawed Common Core in Texas.
01:54:29.919 --> 01:54:31.152
And I have it in here.
01:54:31.152 --> 01:54:32.118
I actually wanted to start off,
01:54:32.118 --> 01:54:33.484
because I always talk about my,
01:54:33.484 --> 01:54:35.084
you know you've got to start with your credentials.
01:54:35.084 --> 01:54:37.118
And I'm a pediatrician and blah, blah, blah,
01:54:37.118 --> 01:54:39.618
but I'm also the best mom.
01:54:39.618 --> 01:54:42.201
So all you other moms.
01:54:46.950 --> 01:54:49.352
Anyway so HB462 is in here
01:54:49.352 --> 01:54:53.168
and I'm not going to go through every paper in here
01:54:53.168 --> 01:54:55.252
but I think what's really telling about this
01:54:55.252 --> 01:54:57.300
that we might have been duped,
01:54:57.300 --> 01:54:58.984
is it's only one page long,
01:54:58.984 --> 01:55:01.785
so not a lot of bills that are one page.
01:55:01.785 --> 01:55:03.117
And then they also,
01:55:03.117 --> 01:55:04.851
when they made it,
01:55:04.851 --> 01:55:06.351
they cut out the
01:55:06.351 --> 01:55:09.018
international bachelorette
01:55:09.018 --> 01:55:11.635
and college advanced placement tests.
01:55:11.635 --> 01:55:13.853
Because what I want to talk about is that I think
01:55:13.853 --> 01:55:15.685
that college and career readiness
01:55:15.685 --> 01:55:18.585
is the same thing as Common Core.
01:55:18.585 --> 01:55:23.501
So in 1989 the NCTM standards were implemented nation wide.
01:55:25.684 --> 01:55:29.454
This led to systemic initiative grants to align states
01:55:29.454 --> 01:55:31.151
with the national standards.
01:55:31.151 --> 01:55:33.984
And you know we still have those grants in Texas.
01:55:33.984 --> 01:55:37.401
And back in 1989 when they started doing those
01:55:37.401 --> 01:55:39.919
I think the first one we had in Texas was in El Paso.
01:55:39.919 --> 01:55:44.235
Then in 2001 Texas signed onto the federal program
01:55:44.235 --> 01:55:47.235
No child left Behind,
01:55:47.650 --> 01:55:48.884
which we all love,
01:55:48.884 --> 01:55:50.684
right, No child left Behind.
01:55:50.684 --> 01:55:52.519
And we actually digging into this little bit
01:55:52.519 --> 01:55:54.917
if Texas would cut their ties with No child left Behind
01:55:54.917 --> 01:55:58.851
it's only 1.5% of the education budget.
01:55:58.851 --> 01:56:02.600
So we could probably, [with] just the amount of paper
01:56:02.600 --> 01:56:06.135
we're printing off in Staar testing every year,
01:56:06.135 --> 01:56:08.790
make up that in the budget.
01:56:08.790 --> 01:56:12.684
So worse in 2005 Texas passed HB1 bringing college readiness
01:56:12.684 --> 01:56:15.967
into Texas before anyone had ever heard of Common Core.
01:56:17.051 --> 01:56:18.118
Vicky Phelps of the Bill
01:56:18.118 --> 01:56:19.217
and Melinda Gates Foundation
01:56:19.217 --> 01:56:22.051
came to Texas in 2007 to praise Texas
01:56:22.051 --> 01:56:23.751
on passing HB1.
01:56:23.751 --> 01:56:26.884
She says in fact the Foundation remains committed
01:56:26.884 --> 01:56:28.952
to helping make your big, bold, boundless,
01:56:28.952 --> 01:56:32.184
vision for generations of Texas students a reality.
01:56:32.184 --> 01:56:34.018
The (inaudible),
01:56:34.018 --> 01:56:35.418
the Foundation followed up with
01:56:35.418 --> 01:56:38.904
a 71 million dollar grant for the T-STEM Initiative
01:56:39.917 --> 01:56:41.918
a drop in the bucket for the billions they've used
01:56:41.918 --> 01:56:43.817
to push for their Common Core agenda.
01:56:43.817 --> 01:56:46.451
They ended up spending 160 million dollars
01:56:46.451 --> 01:56:47.852
nation wide.
01:56:47.852 --> 01:56:50.650
And so much for their commitment,
01:56:50.650 --> 01:56:52.752
they dropped out of that when they found out that
01:56:52.752 --> 01:56:54.801
T-STEM wasn't doing as well as they wanted.
01:56:55.851 --> 01:56:57.785
Texas like many states failed to meet adequate
01:56:57.785 --> 01:57:00.585
yearly progress in 2011 and asked for a waiver,
01:57:00.585 --> 01:57:03.650
asked for a waiver from NCLB.
01:57:03.650 --> 01:57:05.317
To receive a waiver states must adopt
01:57:05.317 --> 01:57:07.152
college and career readiness standards,
01:57:07.152 --> 01:57:09.053
read Common Core.
01:57:09.053 --> 01:57:12.186
Texas received a waiver from the US Department of Education.
01:57:12.186 --> 01:57:14.452
We have kneeled to the crown without having
01:57:14.452 --> 01:57:17.001
to politically take any (inaudible).
01:57:17.617 --> 01:57:19.985
Commissioner boasted Texas has been a national
01:57:19.985 --> 01:57:22.184
leader in the college and career readiness movement.
01:57:22.184 --> 01:57:23.851
That was in 2013.
01:57:23.851 --> 01:57:26.617
The following bills have been introduced
01:57:26.617 --> 01:57:28.717
and reinforced career and college readiness.
01:57:28.717 --> 01:57:30.090
I'm not gonna read those but there they are
01:57:30.090 --> 01:57:31.439
and there's probably more.
01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:34.201
I'm just a mom at home (inaudible).
01:57:34.918 --> 01:57:36.951
According to corestandards.org
01:57:36.951 --> 01:57:39.117
the Common Core State standards were informed
01:57:39.117 --> 01:57:41.751
by the best state standards already in existence.
01:57:41.751 --> 01:57:44.051
According to Commissioner Williams
01:57:44.051 --> 01:57:46.451
those would be our standards.
01:57:46.451 --> 01:57:48.818
Texas did not have to adopt Common Core,
01:57:48.818 --> 01:57:50.688
we already had it.
01:57:50.688 --> 01:57:52.969
So was that my three minutes?
01:57:54.989 --> 01:57:57.501
Yes, just finish up your sentence.
01:57:57.501 --> 01:58:00.500
Yeah you can read my little fun facts down there
01:58:00.500 --> 01:58:03.534
and there's a really great article on the Washington
01:58:03.534 --> 01:58:04.619
post...
01:58:04.619 --> 01:58:07.384
A Washington Post article on Bill Gates
01:58:07.384 --> 01:58:08.984
and Common Core,
01:58:08.984 --> 01:58:10.618
that kind of sums up everything.
01:58:10.618 --> 01:58:13.351
And so correlation may not mean causation,
01:58:13.351 --> 01:58:15.886
but it sure does give a hint.
01:58:15.886 --> 01:58:17.651
I mean we've got Common Core.
01:58:17.651 --> 01:58:20.701
So any questions of Ms Heinz.
01:58:20.984 --> 01:58:23.335
I should say Dr Heinz.
01:58:23.451 --> 01:58:25.018
Yeah.
01:58:28.486 --> 01:58:30.969
Yes Mrs Miller.
01:58:32.951 --> 01:58:35.384
Dr Heinz was there yesterday in our committee
01:58:35.384 --> 01:58:37.019
we had a really good,
01:58:37.019 --> 01:58:38.351
I thought a really good session
01:58:38.351 --> 01:58:39.751
and learned a lot.
01:58:39.751 --> 01:58:42.351
And I just reiterate what I said earlier,
01:58:42.351 --> 01:58:44.351
is that we will not leave this alone
01:58:44.351 --> 01:58:47.269
and we will do something about it
01:58:47.269 --> 01:58:49.217
and whatever we can okay.
01:58:49.217 --> 01:58:50.918
Legally can.
01:58:50.918 --> 01:58:53.018
Because this isn't,
01:58:53.018 --> 01:58:55.751
there's something enormously wrong
01:58:55.751 --> 01:58:59.384
in this whole issue
01:58:59.384 --> 01:59:04.235
and that I believe we can figure out a way to correct it.
01:59:05.718 --> 01:59:08.918
It might take a while but we're not gonna let it go.
01:59:08.918 --> 01:59:10.417
We're not gonna ignore it.
01:59:10.417 --> 01:59:12.867
We've gotta expose it because it's there
01:59:12.867 --> 01:59:13.851
and they know it's there.
01:59:13.851 --> 01:59:15.519
Yes you're right,
01:59:15.519 --> 01:59:17.117
we've got to expose.
01:59:17.117 --> 01:59:18.718
Shine the light.
01:59:18.718 --> 01:59:21.067
A little sunshine is a good disinfectant.
01:59:22.357 --> 01:59:23.634
All right thank you.
01:59:23.951 --> 01:59:25.918
Thank you Dr Heinz.
01:59:25.918 --> 01:59:26.818
Oh Mr Mercer, I'm sorry.
01:59:26.818 --> 01:59:28.317
And you might be aware,
01:59:28.317 --> 01:59:29.886
and I know I was rather heated on Monday
01:59:29.886 --> 01:59:32.917
and I'm calmer now but we had the same question about
01:59:32.917 --> 01:59:35.417
our English language arts and reading
01:59:35.417 --> 01:59:36.651
called ELAR.
01:59:36.651 --> 01:59:38.218
English language arts and reading
01:59:38.218 --> 01:59:40.217
and we had a committee do a review of that.
01:59:40.217 --> 01:59:42.018
And then rewrite in what I call the
01:59:42.018 --> 01:59:43.318
Christmas tree diagram,
01:59:43.318 --> 01:59:44.151
that the red is our words
01:59:44.151 --> 01:59:45.018
and the yellows,
01:59:45.018 --> 01:59:46.484
the green is a substitution
01:59:46.484 --> 01:59:48.817
and I'm told to be calm and trust.
01:59:48.817 --> 01:59:52.701
And I will but I hope that, that committee...
01:59:52.701 --> 01:59:54.185
If I was talking to math right now
01:59:54.185 --> 01:59:55.750
I think we'd do it differently.
01:59:55.750 --> 01:59:57.184
The process standards,
01:59:57.184 --> 01:59:58.884
but for English language arts
01:59:58.884 --> 02:00:01.584
I would repeat that Governor Abbot
02:00:01.584 --> 02:00:03.051
and Lieutenant Governor Patrick
02:00:03.051 --> 02:00:04.851
are very clear, Common Core is illegal.
02:00:04.851 --> 02:00:07.317
And our goal was explicit,
02:00:07.317 --> 02:00:08.851
in relation to what you're talking about.
02:00:08.851 --> 02:00:13.468
It's explicit spelling not comprehensive combined,
02:00:13.468 --> 02:00:17.839
spelling, grammar, reading, phonics, literature
02:00:17.839 --> 02:00:20.734
and expository writing all those things.
02:00:20.734 --> 02:00:22.418
If I were to give that committee the same direction
02:00:22.418 --> 02:00:24.885
it probably would go back and tell math again,
02:00:24.885 --> 02:00:27.137
we don't want process (inaudible).
02:00:27.137 --> 02:00:29.068
We don't want Common Core.
02:00:29.068 --> 02:00:30.351
Traditional math.
02:00:30.351 --> 02:00:32.018
And I'd be cautious too because
02:00:32.018 --> 02:00:33.118
someone made a quote recently.
02:00:33.118 --> 02:00:34.051
You may have heard it,
02:00:34.051 --> 02:00:36.918
it said that at 65% of our standards are Common Core.
02:00:36.918 --> 02:00:39.318
Maybe you've heard that.
02:00:39.318 --> 02:00:41.684
And I disagree with that because our standards
02:00:41.684 --> 02:00:44.335
especially in English language arts came out before.
02:00:44.335 --> 02:00:46.268
I would submit that Common Core,
02:00:46.268 --> 02:00:47.901
and there are no State standards.
02:00:47.901 --> 02:00:50.037
The states never met for Common Core.
02:00:50.037 --> 02:00:50.952
They said you want the money,
02:00:50.952 --> 02:00:52.951
yeah okay you get the money.
02:00:52.951 --> 02:00:54.617
It was not a...
02:00:54.617 --> 02:00:56.452
Yeah they took the money before
02:00:56.452 --> 02:00:57.919
the standards were even developed.
02:00:57.919 --> 02:01:00.568
(crosstalk) But that's a different topic.
02:01:00.568 --> 02:01:01.817
Did you have a question for--
02:01:01.817 --> 02:01:03.619
My question is I hope you also
02:01:03.619 --> 02:01:05.984
help us watch the English language arts too.
02:01:05.984 --> 02:01:08.551
I don't want Common Core in English.
02:01:08.551 --> 02:01:10.051
I hope our writing team knows,
02:01:10.051 --> 02:01:11.951
number one, Common Core's illegal.
02:01:11.951 --> 02:01:15.636
And we are going to go for direct spelling.
02:01:15.636 --> 02:01:17.266
Please help us in that.
02:01:17.266 --> 02:01:18.485
Would you agree to help us in that too?
02:01:18.485 --> 02:01:21.368
I'm concerned what happened in math,
02:01:21.368 --> 02:01:23.739
I don't want it to happen in English language arts too,
02:01:23.739 --> 02:01:25.951
it affects all of our children.
02:01:25.951 --> 02:01:27.284
Yeah,
02:01:27.284 --> 02:01:28.151
you know and I mean if you watch
02:01:28.151 --> 02:01:29.686
what's going through with the other states
02:01:29.686 --> 02:01:31.485
it's going to be ugly.
02:01:31.485 --> 02:01:33.184
Because it's not pretty out there.
02:01:33.184 --> 02:01:36.584
Would you agree that the attempted rewrite,
02:01:36.584 --> 02:01:39.251
re-authorization right now could further push
02:01:39.251 --> 02:01:41.284
Common Core, the Federal part.
02:01:41.284 --> 02:01:43.618
Well I haven't paid much attention to it.
02:01:43.618 --> 02:01:45.451
I think Texas just has to say no.
02:01:45.451 --> 02:01:48.401
Texas needs to start acting like Texas and say no thank you.
02:01:49.585 --> 02:01:50.884
Why do we have to be involved?
02:01:50.884 --> 02:01:52.134
We don't want,
02:01:52.134 --> 02:01:53.921
you know governor Abbott,
02:01:53.921 --> 02:01:55.951
God bless him, talks a big game about how we don't
02:01:55.951 --> 02:01:57.917
need their federal money and we're Texas
02:01:57.917 --> 02:02:01.635
but then we've got Common Core.
02:02:02.551 --> 02:02:04.151
You know I'm real disappointed in that.
02:02:04.151 --> 02:02:04.751
I'm pretty radical,
02:02:04.751 --> 02:02:06.384
I would advocate we withhold that money
02:02:06.384 --> 02:02:08.151
of the Federal government and just keep it here in Texas.
02:02:08.151 --> 02:02:10.067
Thank you Mr Mercer.
02:02:10.067 --> 02:02:10.683
Thank you.
02:02:10.683 --> 02:02:11.311
Any other questions of Dr Heinz.
02:02:11.311 --> 02:02:12.601
We'll have our meeting afterwards.
02:02:12.601 --> 02:02:13.518
Okay, thank you so much.
02:02:13.518 --> 02:02:14.851
Thank you Dr Heinz.
02:02:14.851 --> 02:02:16.135
Thank you.
02:02:16.135 --> 02:02:16.984
Okay members let's take,
02:02:16.984 --> 02:02:19.003
11:30 we'll be back.
02:02:20.685 --> 02:02:21.951
Take a break yeah.
02:02:21.951 --> 02:02:25.634
Let's take a break real quick.
02:02:27.726 --> 02:02:29.802
Yeah we gotta get (group chatter).
02:10:29.718 --> 02:10:32.400
Members I'm gonna have you turn to,
02:10:32.617 --> 02:10:35.494
if we can have some quiet in the,
02:10:35.764 --> 02:10:37.802
audience that would be great.
02:10:39.751 --> 02:10:41.551
Members I'll have you turn your,
02:10:41.551 --> 02:10:42.886
turn to page,
02:10:45.836 --> 02:10:46.886
seven,
02:10:46.886 --> 02:10:48.951
little Roman numeral seven,
02:10:48.951 --> 02:10:50.451
in your agenda book.
02:10:50.451 --> 02:10:52.251
which lists the items on the consent,
02:10:52.251 --> 02:10:53.418
sorry,
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which lists the items on the consent agenda.
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And I'm gonna go ahead and read the items.
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Number one on the consent agenda,
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approval of costs of administering the 2015, 2016
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state of Texas assessments of academic readiness,
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STAAR,
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and the Texas English language proficiency
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assessment systems, TELPAS.
02:11:17.518 --> 02:11:20.801
Assessments to private school students.
02:11:22.118 --> 02:11:23.384
Number two,
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gratification of purchases and sales of investment portfolio
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of the Permanent School Fund for the months of
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August and September 2015.
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Item number three,
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adoption of review of 19TAC chapter 33,
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statement of investment objectives, policies
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and guidelines to the Texas Permanent School Fund
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sub-chapter A, State Board of education rules.
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Number four, decision on real estate investments.
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Number five, decision on absolute return on investments.
02:11:51.034 --> 02:11:54.185
Number six, recommendation for appointment
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to the Lackland Independent School District
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board of trustees.
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Number seven, recommendation for appointment
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to the Randolph Field Independent School District
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Board of Trustees.
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Madam Chair I need to recuse myself.
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Thank you Mrs Miller.
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Thank you Ms Miller and the minutes of that
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will reflect that you have recused yourself.
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Are members clear what we're voting on
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as far as approving on the consent agenda?
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If there's no objection the consent agenda is approved.
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Mr Ratliff I think you can take it away.
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Okay members,
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In your box this morning you got the
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different minutes from the different committees
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so I would ask you to draw your attention to the report
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of the State Board of Education Committee
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of the full board minutes.
02:12:44.351 --> 02:12:46.985
And the first motion is found on page two of those minutes.
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I move that the State Board of Education
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specify an earlier date of February 1st 2016
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for the adopted amendment to 19 TAC section 33.65
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bond guarantee program for school districts.
02:13:02.485 --> 02:13:04.886
It is moved to specify an earlier effective date
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of February first 2016 for the adopted
02:13:08.484 --> 02:13:11.468
amendment to 19 TAC 33.65
02:13:11.468 --> 02:13:14.068
bond guarantee program for school districts.
02:13:14.417 --> 02:13:16.484
To set an earlier effective date of course requires
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a vote of two thirds of the members
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which is 10 votes in the affirmative.
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Are you ready for the question?
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I was going to say somebody's missing.
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Okay are you,
02:13:29.586 --> 02:13:31.936
all those in favor raise your hand.
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All those opposed raise your hand.
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But we only had 14.
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No Barbara's right there.
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(mumbles)
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Oh okay so we did have 15 of us okay.
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Pat abstained.
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Oh I'm sorry, Pat abstained.
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Okay I'm sorry yes.
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So the Ayes have it
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and February 1st 2016 has been set
02:13:58.418 --> 02:14:00.951
as the effective date for the adopted amendment
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to 19 TAC 33.65
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bond guarantee program for school districts
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Okay number four.
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It's actually item number three
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on that same page Madam Chair and I believe
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in the committee the full board
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we did not have staff come forward to present
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the item.
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Did you want to pause and let them do that
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before we vote?
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Yes, Mr Rigger would you please come up
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and do that.
02:14:22.551 --> 02:14:24.118
We had you up there answering all kinds of questions
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but you actually never laid out the items so.
02:14:27.618 --> 02:14:28.819
Thank you.
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Members as we discussed on Wednesday,
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this item comes to you from ESPEC having been approved
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in the October meeting.
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I'd like to take a moment to just
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walk through the evolution of the conversation
02:14:42.284 --> 02:14:44.302
that happened at ESPEC.
02:14:44.736 --> 02:14:46.686
This was an issue that was discussed over
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the course of 10 months with ESPEC.
02:14:49.150 --> 02:14:51.685
And at the beginning of these deliberations
02:14:51.685 --> 02:14:54.852
when we had that December stakeholder meeting
02:14:54.852 --> 02:14:57.534
with educators and they had a recommendation
02:14:57.534 --> 02:15:00.134
that we brought to ESPEC in March.
02:15:00.134 --> 02:15:01.585
ESPEC's conversation was a lot
02:15:01.585 --> 02:15:03.951
like your conversation was on Wednesday
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where the first thing that you think about
02:15:05.385 --> 02:15:07.718
when you think about what should a superintendent
02:15:07.718 --> 02:15:11.218
have in their experience as a prerequisite before
02:15:11.218 --> 02:15:12.818
taking that position.
02:15:12.818 --> 02:15:14.518
Everybody lands on this idea that a
02:15:14.518 --> 02:15:16.685
superintendent needs to be a teacher and a Principal
02:15:16.685 --> 02:15:18.552
prior to being a superintendent.
02:15:18.552 --> 02:15:19.907
And one of the things that took
02:15:19.907 --> 02:15:21.359
a little bit of time for ESPEC to sort of
02:15:21.359 --> 02:15:22.317
grapple with,
02:15:22.317 --> 02:15:24.317
was having that conversation in the abstract
02:15:24.317 --> 02:15:27.317
or as a hypothetical verses actually
02:15:27.317 --> 02:15:30.351
looking at current superintendents who were
02:15:30.351 --> 02:15:32.621
not teachers and principals and reviewing
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their performance and realizing that there are
02:15:36.902 --> 02:15:39.184
already currently sitting superintendents
02:15:39.184 --> 02:15:40.219
that weren't teachers,
02:15:40.219 --> 02:15:41.384
that weren't principals,
02:15:41.384 --> 02:15:43.351
that have demonstrated success.
02:15:43.351 --> 02:15:45.367
So they immediately thought well we
02:15:45.367 --> 02:15:47.734
don't need to have this as a abstract conversation
02:15:47.734 --> 02:15:49.834
about could someone be a good superintendent
02:15:49.834 --> 02:15:52.135
if they weren't a teacher or a principal first
02:15:52.135 --> 02:15:54.368
and again they felt like the answer was yes.
02:15:54.368 --> 02:15:56.235
We have examples of that across the state,
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Dr. Louis in Pasadena ISD
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is a non traditional superintendent.
02:16:00.084 --> 02:16:02.284
Dr Dupreze formerly of Pflugerville
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now in Fort Bend ISD
02:16:03.485 --> 02:16:05.052
was not a teacher or a principal
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and he was a finalist for superintendent of the year
02:16:07.117 --> 02:16:08.667
a couple of years ago.
02:16:08.667 --> 02:16:10.251
Rod Paige, Jim Nelson.
02:16:10.251 --> 02:16:13.435
So there are examples of superintendents
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who are not teachers and principals
02:16:14.518 --> 02:16:17.404
that did elevate to the position of superintendent
02:16:17.404 --> 02:16:19.888
and did perform well by most measures.
02:16:19.888 --> 02:16:23.301
So then the next logical question for ESPEC
02:16:23.301 --> 02:16:25.551
to consider after determining that was
02:16:25.551 --> 02:16:29.185
okay well if those individuals were able to obtain
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the position of superintendent having been non traditional,
02:16:32.418 --> 02:16:34.518
then it seems like the system works.
02:16:34.518 --> 02:16:36.851
What were we doing with a rule review item
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that would expand or provide an alternate pathway?
02:16:39.751 --> 02:16:42.285
It seems like waiver process already works,
02:16:42.285 --> 02:16:44.951
and that's where we really get into
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two different things.
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We wanna separate and look at subsection A.
02:16:48.984 --> 02:16:50.951
And if you remember subsection A
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provides for the opportunity of an individual
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who has certain managerial experience in a district
02:16:55.751 --> 02:16:58.317
to substitute that out for the principal certificate.
02:16:58.317 --> 02:17:00.951
There were two considerations with A.
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One was that there's this reading of statue 21.046A
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suggests that A needs to be in rule.
02:17:08.586 --> 02:17:10.919
Then the other one was there are certain
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people who are working under a waiver right now
02:17:13.452 --> 02:17:17.352
who are blocked essentially from ever obtaining
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certification as superintendent.
02:17:20.184 --> 02:17:23.085
Ever completing the preparation program,
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ever passing a superintendent certification exam
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so they could demonstrate that they had
02:17:27.752 --> 02:17:29.651
the knowledge and skills to be a superintendent.
02:17:29.651 --> 02:17:32.553
And A would rectify that for a lot of them.
02:17:32.553 --> 02:17:34.734
And so that was the justification
02:17:34.734 --> 02:17:36.751
behind suggesting A.
02:17:36.751 --> 02:17:39.919
For B what a lot of ESPEC
02:17:39.919 --> 02:17:41.484
members gravitated towards in B
02:17:41.484 --> 02:17:44.117
was that if you actually look at the waiver process
02:17:44.117 --> 02:17:45.267
verses B
02:17:45.267 --> 02:17:47.191
they felt that B was actually a more rigorous
02:17:47.191 --> 02:17:50.037
and more transparent process that the current
02:17:50.037 --> 02:17:51.517
waiver process.
02:17:51.517 --> 02:17:53.584
So under the current waiver process
02:17:53.584 --> 02:17:55.251
there is already nothing prohibiting
02:17:55.251 --> 02:17:58.950
a school district from hiring a non traditional candidate
02:17:58.950 --> 02:18:01.787
provided that they could secure a waiver for that candidate.
02:18:03.318 --> 02:18:05.834
So that the opportunity for a school board
02:18:05.834 --> 02:18:08.203
to already hire a non traditional candidate exists.
02:18:08.551 --> 02:18:10.885
What the waiver process doesn't necessarily do
02:18:10.885 --> 02:18:13.151
that subsection B does,
02:18:13.151 --> 02:18:15.451
is subsection B unequivocally says
02:18:15.451 --> 02:18:17.817
you must enter a superintendent preparation program
02:18:17.817 --> 02:18:21.637
immediately and we have knowledge and skill standards
02:18:21.637 --> 02:18:23.668
in chapter 242 of ESPEC rule,
02:18:23.668 --> 02:18:27.801
that line out what a superintendent needs to be trained on.
02:18:27.801 --> 02:18:29.784
What they need to go take courses on,
02:18:29.784 --> 02:18:31.251
their knowledge and skills that superintendents
02:18:31.251 --> 02:18:32.419
need to have.
02:18:32.419 --> 02:18:34.484
That is the role of superintendent preparation programs
02:18:34.484 --> 02:18:37.119
to provide that training to superintendents
02:18:37.119 --> 02:18:39.453
or perspective superintendents
02:18:39.453 --> 02:18:41.802
and what B does is it insures that,
02:18:41.802 --> 02:18:44.052
that individual enters that program immediately
02:18:44.052 --> 02:18:47.718
whereas the waiver's A discretionary process.
02:18:47.718 --> 02:18:50.618
What B does that the waiver process also doesn't do
02:18:50.618 --> 02:18:54.873
is B requires a district to publicly state why they
02:18:54.873 --> 02:18:56.651
are hiring a non traditional candidate.
02:18:56.651 --> 02:18:59.452
What is it about this candidates skill set that fits
02:18:59.452 --> 02:19:02.217
the contextual needs of this district at this time
02:19:02.217 --> 02:19:04.351
so that we are hiring a non traditional candidate.
02:19:04.351 --> 02:19:07.118
And again the waiver process itself doesn't
02:19:07.118 --> 02:19:10.635
necessarily require that type of public declaration.
02:19:10.635 --> 02:19:13.986
So for policy questions aside,
02:19:13.986 --> 02:19:15.984
from the procedural perspective
02:19:15.984 --> 02:19:18.653
I think part of ESPEC's argument
02:19:18.653 --> 02:19:20.985
for favoring B over a waiver process is
02:19:20.985 --> 02:19:23.855
that again they felt like subsection B was more
02:19:23.855 --> 02:19:26.452
rigorous and more transparent than the waiver
02:19:26.452 --> 02:19:28.169
process necessarily was.
02:19:28.169 --> 02:19:29.217
Now obviously the waiver process,
02:19:29.217 --> 02:19:31.087
there's a lot of discretion on the part
02:19:31.087 --> 02:19:32.300
of the commissioner
02:19:32.300 --> 02:19:33.018
and the waiver process
02:19:33.018 --> 02:19:34.785
and there could be times when the commissioner
02:19:34.785 --> 02:19:36.819
exercises that discretion and perhaps
02:19:36.819 --> 02:19:38.585
denies a waiver application
02:19:38.585 --> 02:19:41.586
or puts conditions on a waiver that require
02:19:41.586 --> 02:19:45.535
perspective superintendents to enter into programs.
02:19:45.851 --> 02:19:48.484
But again looking at B side-by-side
02:19:48.484 --> 02:19:50.385
with the waiver process that currently exists
02:19:50.385 --> 02:19:54.234
and is currently available to districts ESPEC felt like
02:19:54.234 --> 02:19:55.951
there was more rigor and more transparency
02:19:55.951 --> 02:19:57.518
in subsection B
02:19:57.518 --> 02:20:00.702
than there necessarily was in the waiver process.
02:20:05.319 --> 02:20:06.053
Thank you very much,
02:20:06.053 --> 02:20:07.618
I appreciate it and again
02:20:07.618 --> 02:20:10.184
I'm sorry that I didn't specifically ask you to
02:20:10.184 --> 02:20:11.669
lay it out on Wednesday.
02:20:11.669 --> 02:20:12.551
That's okay.
02:20:12.551 --> 02:20:14.185
Yes Mr Ratliff.
02:20:14.185 --> 02:20:15.617
I want to get a clarification,
02:20:15.617 --> 02:20:17.218
you said that B would require them to immediately
02:20:17.218 --> 02:20:19.921
enter a certification program.
02:20:19.921 --> 02:20:21.485
The way I read the rule is,
02:20:21.485 --> 02:20:23.585
it just says they have to finish it within three years.
02:20:23.585 --> 02:20:25.685
But I don't see any wording about they immediately
02:20:25.685 --> 02:20:28.951
have to start or even report in progress along the way
02:20:28.951 --> 02:20:30.486
showing a good faith effort.
02:20:30.486 --> 02:20:31.318
They could just do it for three years with no
02:20:31.318 --> 02:20:33.202
intention of ever doing it.
02:20:34.285 --> 02:20:35.851
So they would have to enter into a program.
02:20:35.851 --> 02:20:38.551
So in order to take the job as a superintendent
02:20:38.551 --> 02:20:41.485
a district must either hire a certified superintendent
02:20:41.485 --> 02:20:43.452
or seek out a waiver.
02:20:43.452 --> 02:20:46.268
What B imagines is that the minute a district finds
02:20:46.268 --> 02:20:47.700
a non traditional candidate,
02:20:47.700 --> 02:20:49.700
that they want as a superintendent
02:20:49.700 --> 02:20:51.189
they would name them,
02:20:51.189 --> 02:20:52.285
that candidate as a lone finalist
02:20:52.285 --> 02:20:54.019
which is standard practice.
02:20:54.019 --> 02:20:55.986
That candidate would then need to
02:20:55.986 --> 02:20:58.318
enroll in a superintendent preparation program
02:20:58.318 --> 02:21:00.717
because they would have to obtain a probationary certificate
02:21:00.717 --> 02:21:02.651
in order to be hired.
02:21:02.651 --> 02:21:06.118
So you can't obtain a probationary certificate
02:21:06.118 --> 02:21:09.200
unless you are enrolled in a certification program.
02:21:09.618 --> 02:21:10.717
So where's the,
02:21:10.717 --> 02:21:11.934
I'm looking at the rule text,
02:21:11.934 --> 02:21:12.784
where does it talk about
02:21:12.784 --> 02:21:14.386
they have to have a probationary certificate?
02:21:14.386 --> 02:21:15.917
That's a separate section of rules
02:21:15.917 --> 02:21:17.036
so what you're looking at are the
02:21:17.036 --> 02:21:21.168
conditions for obtaining a standard certificate.
02:21:22.688 --> 02:21:25.400
So in order to transition off of a probationary
02:21:25.400 --> 02:21:26.901
certificate and onto the standard certificate.
02:21:26.901 --> 02:21:29.834
What you're reading are the requirements to do that.
02:21:30.617 --> 02:21:32.317
Okay so, they immediately have to start
02:21:32.317 --> 02:21:33.851
the program,
02:21:33.851 --> 02:21:35.417
what happens if after the first year
02:21:35.417 --> 02:21:37.270
they haven't made sufficient progress?
02:21:37.270 --> 02:21:38.317
What happens.
02:21:38.317 --> 02:21:39.753
So you have three years to complete,
02:21:39.753 --> 02:21:41.417
you have three years to sort of live
02:21:41.417 --> 02:21:42.818
on a probationary certificate.
02:21:42.818 --> 02:21:45.518
If you haven't transitioned to a standard certificate
02:21:45.518 --> 02:21:47.351
after the three year probationary period,
02:21:47.351 --> 02:21:50.523
your certification is basically deactivated.
02:21:51.619 --> 02:21:53.118
So you are no longer a certification holding.
02:21:54.218 --> 02:21:55.768
Okay so you have to apply but you don't
02:21:55.768 --> 02:21:57.367
have to actually do anything.
02:21:57.984 --> 02:21:59.151
Well,
02:21:59.151 --> 02:22:00.884
it's the obligation of the program to insure
02:22:00.884 --> 02:22:02.135
that you are progressing.
02:22:02.135 --> 02:22:03.901
They're held accountable for their candidates
02:22:03.901 --> 02:22:05.168
progressing in their programs.
02:22:09.419 --> 02:22:10.419
Madam Chair.
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Yes Mr Bradley.
02:22:12.018 --> 02:22:13.134
And you're Tim?
02:22:13.134 --> 02:22:13.753
Yes sir.
02:22:13.753 --> 02:22:15.117
I appreciate you coming up.
02:22:15.117 --> 02:22:17.084
I've watched the ESPEC process
02:22:17.084 --> 02:22:20.885
over the years and we will thank
02:22:20.885 --> 02:22:23.952
member Ratliff's father for separating
02:22:23.952 --> 02:22:26.617
our responsibilities over this process.
02:22:26.617 --> 02:22:28.918
But be as it may,
02:22:28.918 --> 02:22:32.084
we've never gotten this executive summary.
02:22:32.084 --> 02:22:34.117
We'll come in here and we have the documents
02:22:34.117 --> 02:22:35.453
that are sent to us,
02:22:35.453 --> 02:22:36.470
and we open them up
02:22:36.470 --> 02:22:38.768
and it's all rule text and I really appreciate
02:22:38.768 --> 02:22:41.522
the process that we need to continue
02:22:41.522 --> 02:22:43.934
where ESPEC gets to get represented
02:22:43.934 --> 02:22:46.301
and actually layout the issue.
02:22:46.301 --> 02:22:48.272
Because yesterday all we had was the document
02:22:48.272 --> 02:22:50.167
and then all your critics step up
02:22:50.167 --> 02:22:52.704
and tell us why it's a horrible thing.
02:22:52.704 --> 02:22:54.967
So I think there just needs to be
02:22:54.967 --> 02:22:55.852
a little bit better process
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and communication to lay these out.
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And the executive summary was needed.
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I'd learned a couple of things that
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every chancellor of all Texas public university
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with the exception of (inaudible)
02:23:10.418 --> 02:23:12.751
are non traditional
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in their roles,
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they were not educators,
02:23:15.118 --> 02:23:18.001
they were not former chancellors.
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I also,
02:23:21.351 --> 02:23:23.818
a little criticism for some of the critics,
02:23:23.818 --> 02:23:25.084
you know one of the superintendents
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was saying well why are we even doing this?
02:23:27.451 --> 02:23:29.485
Why do we even need it?
02:23:29.485 --> 02:23:32.667
Yet he mentored a non traditional candidate.
02:23:33.386 --> 02:23:36.018
And then for TASA and TASB to be split was kind
02:23:36.018 --> 02:23:37.086
of humorous.
02:23:37.086 --> 02:23:39.751
But then TASA has a conflict in the fact that the
02:23:39.751 --> 02:23:41.951
majority I would suspect of their fee income
02:23:41.951 --> 02:23:43.286
to run their organization
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is done off traditional superintendent searches.
02:23:47.084 --> 02:23:50.268
So I appreciate the effort for a little innovation
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in thinking forward.
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Anyone else have any comments?
02:23:56.841 --> 02:23:58.601
Thank you Tim I appreciate it.
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Mr Ratliff will you go ahead and--
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Yes ma'am on page three of your minutes
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members,
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in the top third of the page,
02:24:06.384 --> 02:24:07.568
I move that the state board of education
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reject the proposed amendment to 19 TAC chapter 242
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superintendent certificates, section 242.20.
02:24:13.934 --> 02:24:16.234
Requirements for the issuance of the standard
02:24:16.234 --> 02:24:18.169
superintendents certificate.
02:24:18.169 --> 02:24:18.918
Second.
02:24:18.918 --> 02:24:20.734
And I'd like to speak to the motion.
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Yes, Mr Ratliff.
02:24:22.503 --> 02:24:23.884
Just speaking on my own behalf
02:24:23.884 --> 02:24:27.001
I am voting to reject because I think
02:24:27.001 --> 02:24:28.752
there is wide spread support for A.
02:24:28.752 --> 02:24:31.351
And I believe A complies with the law passed
02:24:31.351 --> 02:24:33.684
this past session of the Texas legislature.
02:24:33.684 --> 02:24:36.251
I think B is problematic for reasons we've
02:24:36.251 --> 02:24:38.119
heard and discussed ad nauseum.
02:24:38.119 --> 02:24:42.002
And so this is not a rejection that we don't
02:24:42.584 --> 02:24:44.884
support alternative pathways or empowering local
02:24:44.884 --> 02:24:46.151
school districts.
02:24:46.151 --> 02:24:48.850
I individually would hope that ESBEC would come back
02:24:48.850 --> 02:24:50.484
either with the question divided
02:24:50.484 --> 02:24:53.101
or only with option A.
02:24:57.119 --> 02:24:59.968
Any further debate?
02:25:01.251 --> 02:25:02.851
Yes Mr Cortez.
02:25:02.851 --> 02:25:04.018
You know I'd have to agree,
02:25:04.018 --> 02:25:05.601
I mean if they want to,
02:25:06.181 --> 02:25:09.996
if the agency wants to revisit the waiver process
02:25:09.996 --> 02:25:12.968
they should revisit that rather than have ESBEC
02:25:12.968 --> 02:25:15.068
send us this bad rule.
02:25:15.385 --> 02:25:17.437
In my opinion.
02:25:21.717 --> 02:25:24.135
Any further debate?
02:25:24.384 --> 02:25:26.084
Are you ready for the question?
02:25:26.084 --> 02:25:28.983
All those in favor of rejecting the proposed,
02:25:28.983 --> 02:25:31.534
I just want to make sure that everyone understands,
02:25:31.534 --> 02:25:34.269
a motion to reject proposed ESBEC amendments
02:25:34.269 --> 02:25:37.702
requires a two thirds vote of those present in voting.
02:25:38.451 --> 02:25:40.170
All those in favor of rejecting the proposed
02:25:40.170 --> 02:25:42.069
amendments raise your hands.
02:25:44.134 --> 02:25:46.368
Oh I'm sorry.
02:25:48.819 --> 02:25:50.634
Do I need to stop.
02:25:53.718 --> 02:25:54.839
Hold on just one minute
02:25:54.839 --> 02:25:56.834
We've got a parliamentary thing, sorry.
02:25:58.285 --> 02:26:01.468
(crosstalking)
02:26:13.331 --> 02:26:14.502
Okay, all right.
02:26:14.502 --> 02:26:15.551
Do you wanna go ahead and do that?
02:26:15.551 --> 02:26:17.501
Okay sorry.
02:26:18.117 --> 02:26:21.301
Sorry members, I did not know that this one,
02:26:21.301 --> 02:26:22.218
but...
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Ms Perez.
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Thank you Madam Chair.
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I'd like to suspend,
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I'm sorry,
02:26:29.732 --> 02:26:31.068
(crosstalk)
02:26:31.068 --> 02:26:31.952
I'm sorry.
02:26:31.952 --> 02:26:33.734
I'd like to suspend the mo...
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The rules.
02:26:34.601 --> 02:26:37.069
Rules in order to allow for a testimony.
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Is there any objection?
02:26:41.686 --> 02:26:43.669
One person.
One person.
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Yeah who is this person, Ms Perez?
02:26:45.785 --> 02:26:47.718
It's Dr David Thompson
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he's from the UTSA.
02:26:49.385 --> 02:26:53.071
I know that he's been interested,
02:26:53.317 --> 02:26:54.918
I've been in contact with him.
02:26:54.918 --> 02:26:58.836
He and with the Texas School Superintendent
02:26:58.836 --> 02:26:59.789
Association.
02:26:59.789 --> 02:27:02.253
And so they would just like an opportunity
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to speak on this item to the Board.
02:27:04.801 --> 02:27:06.919
Is there any objection?
02:27:06.919 --> 02:27:08.384
Okay.
02:27:08.384 --> 02:27:09.985
Yeah go ahead.
02:27:09.985 --> 02:27:11.719
Sorry what was your name again?
02:27:11.719 --> 02:27:12.335
David Thompson.
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David Thompson, okay.
02:27:22.801 --> 02:27:24.467
Madam Chair, Members of the Board,
02:27:24.467 --> 02:27:26.501
thank you for permitting to testify.
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I was scheduled to testify Wednesday,
02:27:29.668 --> 02:27:31.535
I was unable to make it
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because of class responsibilities.
02:27:34.051 --> 02:27:37.418
And I actually did sign up for the public meeting
02:27:37.418 --> 02:27:38.685
testimony today,
02:27:38.685 --> 02:27:40.718
so I apologize for whatever problems
02:27:40.718 --> 02:27:42.350
I've caused.
02:27:42.350 --> 02:27:43.385
My name is David Thompson,
02:27:43.385 --> 02:27:45.269
I'm a professor of educational leadership
02:27:45.269 --> 02:27:47.101
with the University of Texas at San Antonio.
02:27:47.101 --> 02:27:49.074
A member of the Executive Board of
02:27:49.074 --> 02:27:50.734
the Texas Council of Professors
02:27:50.734 --> 02:27:52.084
of educational administration.
02:27:52.084 --> 02:27:55.501
A former teacher, coach and a school administrator.
02:27:56.084 --> 02:27:58.685
Since our formation in 1974 the Texas council of
02:27:58.685 --> 02:28:00.389
Professors of educational administration
02:28:00.651 --> 02:28:02.901
has served as a leading professional association
02:28:02.901 --> 02:28:05.334
advancing the quality preparation of school leaders.
02:28:05.334 --> 02:28:07.351
We advance these public comments
02:28:07.351 --> 02:28:09.319
and opposition to the proposed rule
02:28:09.319 --> 02:28:11.552
which adds what is
02:28:11.552 --> 02:28:14.020
"A school district initiated pathway
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to receiving standard superintendent certificate"
02:28:17.852 --> 02:28:19.687
This pathway would permit a Texas public school
02:28:19.687 --> 02:28:21.418
district to hire any individual,
02:28:21.418 --> 02:28:23.920
with no previous documented leadership experience
02:28:23.920 --> 02:28:25.784
or advanced professional preparation,
02:28:25.784 --> 02:28:28.617
either within or outside of education
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as superintendent,
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to work under a probationary certificate during which time
02:28:32.685 --> 02:28:35.418
the superintendent or the candidate will matriculate
02:28:35.418 --> 02:28:36.885
through a certification program,
02:28:36.885 --> 02:28:41.001
pass the test and apply for their standard certificate.
02:28:41.584 --> 02:28:44.701
We believe the school district initiated pathway to the
02:28:44.701 --> 02:28:47.060
issuance of the standard certificate does a disservice
02:28:47.060 --> 02:28:49.934
to the people, tax payers and school children of Texas
02:28:49.934 --> 02:28:52.001
for the following reasons,
02:28:52.001 --> 02:28:55.268
first it compromises the power the legislature mandates
02:28:55.268 --> 02:28:57.368
to ESPEC to define the standards
02:28:57.368 --> 02:28:59.035
for superintendent certification
02:28:59.035 --> 02:29:01.234
and by permitting districts to hire superintendents
02:29:01.234 --> 02:29:04.534
prior to their matriculation through a program
02:29:04.534 --> 02:29:07.469
has the effect of placing this power in the hands
02:29:07.469 --> 02:29:10.168
of locally elected boards of trustees.
02:29:11.321 --> 02:29:13.670
The rule implies that there are knowledge and skill sets
02:29:13.670 --> 02:29:16.001
not covered in the current superintendent certificate
02:29:16.001 --> 02:29:16.684
standards
02:29:16.684 --> 02:29:19.502
that are necessary for success in the superintendency
02:29:19.502 --> 02:29:22.138
without elaborating the nature of those
02:29:22.138 --> 02:29:23.551
knowledge and skill sets.
02:29:23.551 --> 02:29:25.782
Thus the rule sends the message that the person
02:29:25.782 --> 02:29:26.820
who is hired through this pathway
02:29:26.820 --> 02:29:29.702
already possesses some or all of these
02:29:29.702 --> 02:29:30.552
knowledge and skill sets
02:29:30.552 --> 02:29:32.151
that are not defined through a process
02:29:32.151 --> 02:29:34.185
more rigorous than the determination
02:29:34.185 --> 02:29:36.588
of a simple majority of a board of trustees.
02:29:37.119 --> 02:29:40.234
This rule as noted above provides (inaudible),
02:29:40.234 --> 02:29:41.802
permits a board to hire any individual
02:29:41.802 --> 02:29:44.235
again with no previous documented leadership
02:29:44.235 --> 02:29:47.269
experience or advance professional preperation
02:29:47.269 --> 02:29:48.903
as superintendent.
02:29:48.903 --> 02:29:51.769
Thus with no required leadership qualifications
02:29:51.769 --> 02:29:53.467
this person will likely lack many,
02:29:53.467 --> 02:29:54.967
if not most,
02:29:54.967 --> 02:29:57.301
of the ESPEC required competencies necessary
02:29:57.301 --> 02:30:00.401
to successfully discharge the duties of the superintendent.
02:30:00.401 --> 02:30:02.751
Ultimately we believe this rule serves to
02:30:02.751 --> 02:30:05.284
deprofessionalize the superintendency.
02:30:05.284 --> 02:30:08.067
The rule would render meaningless the current ESPEC
02:30:08.067 --> 02:30:10.234
admission requirements for Texas superintendent
02:30:10.234 --> 02:30:11.283
certification programs
02:30:11.283 --> 02:30:14.068
and place programs in the untenable position
02:30:14.068 --> 02:30:16.812
of having to compromise their state mandated
02:30:16.812 --> 02:30:19.103
admission requirements to admit a school district
02:30:19.103 --> 02:30:22.300
hired superintendent under the pathway.
02:30:22.384 --> 02:30:24.367
The waiver process currently found
02:30:24.367 --> 02:30:28.001
in education code 7.056 is sufficient to consider
02:30:28.001 --> 02:30:31.168
truly unique and school district initiated exceptions
02:30:31.168 --> 02:30:32.501
to the general rule.
02:30:36.161 --> 02:30:39.335
In fact in acting this school initiated pathway would make
02:30:39.335 --> 02:30:41.567
the exception a general rule.
02:30:41.951 --> 02:30:44.736
Should this rule be approved by state board
02:30:44.736 --> 02:30:47.167
it will place educators preparation programs
02:30:47.167 --> 02:30:50.296
in the unenviable and unintended position...
02:30:50.296 --> 02:30:52.568
I'm almost finished.
02:30:52.568 --> 02:30:53.134
Yeah.
02:30:53.134 --> 02:30:54.118
Thank you very much Madam Chair.
02:30:54.118 --> 02:30:55.984
Yeah just finish up the last couple--
02:30:55.984 --> 02:30:56.536
Thank you.
02:30:56.536 --> 02:30:59.168
Of becoming involved in determining the continued
02:30:59.168 --> 02:31:01.939
employment status of superintendents hired under a
02:31:01.939 --> 02:31:03.825
multi-year term contract.
02:31:03.825 --> 02:31:06.836
Specifically a school district hiring a superintendent
02:31:06.836 --> 02:31:08.834
under the school district initiated optional [pathway]
02:31:08.834 --> 02:31:11.934
will have to rely on EPP's to recommend to the
02:31:11.934 --> 02:31:13.201
State of Texas,
02:31:13.201 --> 02:31:14.872
and the State of Texas to issue subsequent
02:31:14.872 --> 02:31:17.467
12 month probationary certificates in order
02:31:17.467 --> 02:31:19.936
for the superintendent to be eligible for continued
02:31:19.936 --> 02:31:20.884
employment.
02:31:20.884 --> 02:31:23.168
Probationary certificates are issued
02:31:23.168 --> 02:31:25.234
in a
02:31:26.485 --> 02:31:27.901
12 month series.
02:31:27.901 --> 02:31:30.535
And so it is a series of 12...
02:31:31.585 --> 02:31:33.784
Excuse me it is a series of 12 month probationary
02:31:33.784 --> 02:31:34.868
certificates.
02:31:34.868 --> 02:31:36.435
So what this is doing is it's really
02:31:36.435 --> 02:31:39.335
entangling school districts in the state of Texas
02:31:39.335 --> 02:31:41.402
in determining things that should be
02:31:41.402 --> 02:31:43.935
left to each body separately.
02:31:44.251 --> 02:31:45.428
The rest of my comments are there
02:31:45.428 --> 02:31:46.301
for your review,
02:31:46.301 --> 02:31:47.635
I'd like to thank you again Madam Chair
02:31:47.635 --> 02:31:49.668
for this opportunity to testify.
02:31:50.519 --> 02:31:51.652
Thank you so much.
02:31:52.953 --> 02:31:54.568
Any questions?
02:31:56.053 --> 02:31:57.167
Okay we're back to...
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Oh yes Mr Mercer did you have a question?
02:31:59.251 --> 02:32:00.384
I want him to expand on number five.
02:32:01.284 --> 02:32:03.901
Obviously I've been on the other side of this
02:32:03.901 --> 02:32:06.102
but I want him to explain the waiver process
02:32:06.102 --> 02:32:07.735
currently found is sufficient to
02:32:07.735 --> 02:32:09.534
consider unique circumstances.
02:32:10.117 --> 02:32:11.792
Please.
02:32:11.792 --> 02:32:15.735
We believe that the waiver process is in,
02:32:15.735 --> 02:32:17.669
that's in place is sufficient.
02:32:17.669 --> 02:32:20.895
We only have I believe six superintendents
02:32:20.895 --> 02:32:24.301
in Texas right now working under a waiver
02:32:24.301 --> 02:32:26.268
or somewhere in that neighborhood.
02:32:28.008 --> 02:32:30.767
We do have stories of success
02:32:30.767 --> 02:32:33.968
for superintendents working under a waiver.
02:32:34.419 --> 02:32:36.702
We also have some fairly highly publicized
02:32:36.702 --> 02:32:40.502
not so successful issue
02:32:42.302 --> 02:32:45.003
cases where superintendents were working
02:32:45.003 --> 02:32:46.668
under a waiver where their school board
02:32:46.668 --> 02:32:48.301
actually did not apply for the waiver
02:32:48.301 --> 02:32:51.402
within the statutorily mandated timeline.
02:32:51.818 --> 02:32:53.352
But the waiver process works.
02:32:53.352 --> 02:32:57.085
The commissioner is empowered by legislature to exercise
02:32:57.085 --> 02:32:58.384
discretion in,
02:32:59.450 --> 02:33:02.068
in granting waivers and so we think
02:33:02.068 --> 02:33:05.135
that for less than one half of one percent ,
02:33:05.135 --> 02:33:07.270
or roughly one half of one percent
02:33:07.270 --> 02:33:08.868
of the state superintendents.
02:33:08.868 --> 02:33:12.167
We do not need to institutionalize a rule
02:33:12.751 --> 02:33:15.268
where the waiver process in our view is
02:33:16.018 --> 02:33:18.639
working quite well.
02:33:22.286 --> 02:33:23.834
Any other questions?
02:33:24.519 --> 02:33:25.650
No.
02:33:25.650 --> 02:33:26.918
Oh I'm sorry, Ms Perez.
02:33:26.918 --> 02:33:27.785
I just want to thank,
02:33:27.785 --> 02:33:29.134
thank you Madam Chair and thank you
02:33:29.134 --> 02:33:32.300
board for allowing Dr Thompson to come and speak.
02:33:34.854 --> 02:33:36.601
Okay we're back,
02:33:36.601 --> 02:33:38.236
can you, we will,
02:33:38.236 --> 02:33:40.135
I'm gonna read the motion again.
02:33:40.417 --> 02:33:42.967
It's moved to reject the proposed amendment to
02:33:42.967 --> 02:33:45.967
19 TAC chapter 242 superintendent certificate
02:33:45.967 --> 02:33:50.035
242.20, requirements for the issuance of the
02:33:50.035 --> 02:33:52.868
standard superintendent certificate.
02:33:53.284 --> 02:33:56.186
And again a motion to reject proposed ESPEC amendments
02:33:56.186 --> 02:33:58.900
requires a two thirds vote of those present and voting.
02:33:59.151 --> 02:34:00.418
Are you ready for the question?
02:34:00.418 --> 02:34:03.319
All those in favor of rejecting the proposed amendments
02:34:03.319 --> 02:34:05.301
raise your hand.
02:34:13.785 --> 02:34:16.368
So the others we don't need to right?
02:34:16.368 --> 02:34:17.636
Because it's already,
02:34:17.636 --> 02:34:20.535
okay, those opposed raise your hand.
02:34:30.751 --> 02:34:32.186
There are two thirds in the affirmative
02:34:32.186 --> 02:34:33.067
and the proposed amendment to
02:34:33.067 --> 02:34:37.268
19 TAC chapter 242 superintendent certificate 242.20
02:34:38.348 --> 02:34:40.567
requirements for the issuance of the standard
02:34:40.567 --> 02:34:43.501
superintendent certificate is rejected.
02:34:47.917 --> 02:34:49.218
All right Thomas.
02:34:49.218 --> 02:34:52.152
Okay Madam Chair and Members in the committee minutes
02:34:52.152 --> 02:34:52.817
for the full board,
02:34:52.817 --> 02:34:54.118
we're turning to page 11
02:34:55.878 --> 02:34:57.869
and I move that the State Board of Education
02:34:57.869 --> 02:35:00.068
approve for reading and filing authorization
02:35:00.068 --> 02:35:02.668
proposed revisions to 19 TAC chapter 66
02:35:02.668 --> 02:35:04.069
State adoption and distribution of instructional
02:35:04.069 --> 02:35:06.467
materials, sub chapter A general provisions
02:35:06.467 --> 02:35:08.553
sub chapter B State adoption of instructional materials
02:35:08.553 --> 02:35:10.969
and sub chapter C local operations.
02:35:11.284 --> 02:35:12.836
Ms Beltran.
02:35:13.484 --> 02:35:18.201
Yes I wanted to introduce an amendment to 66.30
02:35:19.518 --> 02:35:21.867
the State review panels eligibility and appointment
02:35:21.867 --> 02:35:22.734
and I have language here.
02:35:22.734 --> 02:35:24.567
I think most of you have copies of this.
02:35:29.881 --> 02:35:31.202
Oh it's part C.
02:35:35.084 --> 02:35:37.552
Part C and when you get the copy
02:35:37.552 --> 02:35:40.434
I apologize I didn't take note of the language
02:35:40.434 --> 02:35:43.203
that was changed on Wednesday,
02:35:43.384 --> 02:35:46.452
that Mr Rowley adopted to reflect the initial
02:35:46.452 --> 02:35:50.135
language which says something about advise and consent.
02:35:51.151 --> 02:35:52.651
So I used the language that we had before,
02:35:52.651 --> 02:35:55.734
but acknowledging that it's actually different.
02:35:56.584 --> 02:35:59.185
Do we have that somewhere where we can...?
02:35:59.185 --> 02:36:01.734
Oh it's in the minutes okay.
02:36:01.734 --> 02:36:03.101
What page is that?
02:36:03.553 --> 02:36:06.101
Page seven.
02:36:08.184 --> 02:36:09.317
So in the handout--
02:36:09.317 --> 02:36:10.252
Let her read it though,
02:36:10.252 --> 02:36:11.251
she needs to read it.
02:36:11.251 --> 02:36:14.186
Yeah can you read the amendment to us.
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Does everybody know where we are in the minutes?
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Page seven.
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So could you read that,
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that part C there that
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is it changed to the new language there,
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that you want to put that,
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you don't have to read that whole paragraph
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but the part where your sentence would come in.
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Leading up to your sentence.
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So the language that we approved
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or that we're working off of,
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section C, each appointment to a state review panel
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shall be made by the Commissioner of Education
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with priority given to individuals who are nominated
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by the State Board of Education as BOE members
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and with the advise and consent of the SBOE
02:36:51.385 --> 02:36:53.701
member whose district is to be represented.
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Qualified.
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Yeah, qualified.
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Qualified individuals.
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That's an important word.
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It's an important word.
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Apologies.
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Definitely important word.
02:37:03.818 --> 02:37:04.353
Set consensual--
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And then your insert.
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Yeah I'm getting to that.
02:37:08.651 --> 02:37:11.352
Said consent shall be given by the SBOE member
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02:37:13.151 --> 02:37:15.986
within seven days of being notified of the
02:37:15.986 --> 02:37:17.851
Commissioner of Educations appointments
02:37:17.851 --> 02:37:20.001
or consent as implied.
02:37:20.385 --> 02:37:24.034
And I'd like to insert there a definition of what we mean
02:37:24.034 --> 02:37:26.267
by a qualified individual in the proposed language
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which I hope you all have a copy of now.
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A qualified individual shall either hold an educator
02:37:32.201 --> 02:37:35.435
certification to teach the content being reviewed,
02:37:35.435 --> 02:37:37.801
and it should say and not or,
02:37:38.721 --> 02:37:42.267
have been assigned to teach that content in at least
02:37:42.267 --> 02:37:43.318
three of the last 10 years,
02:37:43.318 --> 02:37:46.968
or shall hold at least a bachelors degree in the content
02:37:46.968 --> 02:37:49.634
area being covered by the material being reviewed.
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Yes Mr Ratliff.
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Oh yes let's do second.
02:37:59.584 --> 02:38:01.634
Okay thank you.
02:38:01.634 --> 02:38:03.434
Can I explain the rationality--
02:38:03.434 --> 02:38:04.218
Can I ask a question
02:38:04.218 --> 02:38:05.452
procedurally first though?
02:38:05.452 --> 02:38:06.651
Oh sure.
02:38:06.651 --> 02:38:11.651
The copy that I have seems to insert that sentence
02:38:12.119 --> 02:38:14.601
after the word represented,
02:38:15.451 --> 02:38:15.984
are you intending,
02:38:15.984 --> 02:38:19.567
but then you just said to insert it after
02:38:19.567 --> 02:38:20.189
the word implied.
02:38:20.189 --> 02:38:21.568
Yes.
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So it's different from what we have here.
02:38:23.969 --> 02:38:26.503
Yes because I didn't include the language--
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Okay so where would it be here?
02:38:28.702 --> 02:38:31.334
So would it be inserted after implied?
02:38:32.554 --> 02:38:34.267
Which sentence I'm sorry
02:38:34.267 --> 02:38:36.468
I'm trying to find the word implied.
02:38:36.718 --> 02:38:37.618
Where is it?
02:38:37.618 --> 02:38:38.084
Oh there it is,
02:38:38.084 --> 02:38:39.435
okay.
02:38:39.435 --> 02:38:40.983
Before notification?
02:38:42.184 --> 02:38:45.267
Between the word implied and notification.
02:38:47.085 --> 02:38:48.901
Either place it's gonna have the same effect.
02:38:50.217 --> 02:38:51.808
You know I apologize let's,
02:38:54.718 --> 02:38:56.467
Okay I would just insert it after,
02:38:57.018 --> 02:38:59.269
by electronic email.
02:38:59.451 --> 02:39:01.568
Okay put it under electronic email.
02:39:02.818 --> 02:39:03.867
Oh okay.
02:39:03.867 --> 02:39:05.368
Just because I feel like that finishes that thought
02:39:05.368 --> 02:39:06.967
with the timeline.
02:39:06.967 --> 02:39:10.267
Okay, so there's no changes other than insertion.
02:39:10.267 --> 02:39:11.135
Yes.
02:39:11.135 --> 02:39:12.184
You're trying to insert a sentence.
02:39:14.124 --> 02:39:15.373
Okay yes,
02:39:15.373 --> 02:39:17.935
would you like to go ahead and address?
02:39:18.284 --> 02:39:19.151
I would yes.
02:39:19.151 --> 02:39:21.084
So I think our conversation on Wednesday
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we touched on this a little bit and I
02:39:22.951 --> 02:39:25.156
may have heard from several of you
02:39:25.156 --> 02:39:26.817
that we have tried to tackle this question about
02:39:26.817 --> 02:39:28.418
identifying what qualified
02:39:28.418 --> 02:39:32.018
or who a qualified individual should be
02:39:32.018 --> 02:39:34.401
for our review panels.
02:39:35.017 --> 02:39:36.784
I think like any good teacher would do,
02:39:36.784 --> 02:39:39.117
I think it's really important to be very clear
02:39:39.117 --> 02:39:41.951
about what we mean by a qualified individual.
02:39:41.951 --> 02:39:44.651
I think if we have the best interests of students
02:39:44.651 --> 02:39:48.218
in mind in terms of allowing them access to high quality
02:39:48.218 --> 02:39:49.985
instructional materials.
02:39:49.985 --> 02:39:51.617
We should have individuals,
02:39:51.617 --> 02:39:53.518
actually we should prioritize
02:39:53.518 --> 02:39:54.984
which is what this language says.
02:39:54.984 --> 02:39:58.234
Prioritize individuals who have the educator certification
02:39:58.518 --> 02:39:59.551
and teaching experience,
02:39:59.551 --> 02:40:02.119
or the content knowledge as proved
02:40:02.119 --> 02:40:04.101
by a Bachelaurete Degree.
02:40:04.451 --> 02:40:06.750
I think it's really important to note
02:40:06.750 --> 02:40:10.646
that this is at the exclusion of parents or business leaders
02:40:10.646 --> 02:40:12.184
or those with industry experience,
02:40:12.184 --> 02:40:15.117
but it's actually just to say
02:40:15.117 --> 02:40:19.017
let's prioritize those who have the most experience
02:40:19.017 --> 02:40:20.318
in the content knowledge,
02:40:20.318 --> 02:40:22.885
and the most familiarity with our Texas essential
02:40:22.885 --> 02:40:24.368
knowledge and skills.
02:40:24.368 --> 02:40:25.851
Because as I'm sure you all recall
02:40:25.851 --> 02:40:28.017
the purpose of the review of our text books
02:40:28.017 --> 02:40:30.184
for our review panels is to align
02:40:30.184 --> 02:40:32.718
what the Texas essential knowledge and skills
02:40:32.718 --> 02:40:34.919
and who better than someone who's certified
02:40:34.919 --> 02:40:37.218
to teach that content area,
02:40:37.218 --> 02:40:41.500
would be knowledgeable about those TEACS.
02:40:42.818 --> 02:40:43.751
I would also just encourage
02:40:43.751 --> 02:40:45.153
a respectful dialog on this.
02:40:45.153 --> 02:40:47.018
I hope that this isn't,
02:40:47.018 --> 02:40:49.603
you can feel free to change it
02:40:49.603 --> 02:40:52.902
if it's in a productive way of course.
02:40:52.902 --> 02:40:55.018
I think we should be working towards a clear
02:40:55.018 --> 02:40:57.234
definition of what we mean by qualified individual.
02:40:57.552 --> 02:40:58.618
That's the intent.
02:40:58.618 --> 02:40:59.718
Mr Allen.
02:40:59.718 --> 02:41:01.084
I just wanted to ask you a clarifying question
02:41:01.084 --> 02:41:03.784
since it's to prioritize, it's not limited to,
02:41:03.784 --> 02:41:06.884
and that means that as I'm searching in my
02:41:06.884 --> 02:41:09.684
district for individuals who fit this definition
02:41:09.684 --> 02:41:11.552
if I can't find somebody,
02:41:11.552 --> 02:41:13.520
I still can be creative.
02:41:13.520 --> 02:41:14.818
Is that what you're telling me?
02:41:14.818 --> 02:41:16.356
Yeah there's certainly still room for that,
02:41:16.356 --> 02:41:18.219
because the language stays the same,
02:41:18.219 --> 02:41:21.001
other than that insertion.
02:41:21.001 --> 02:41:22.067
Okay because I can appreciate that
02:41:22.067 --> 02:41:23.834
because I think about one or two people who I
02:41:23.834 --> 02:41:26.334
may consider to be experts but may not
02:41:26.334 --> 02:41:27.686
fit this definition.
02:41:27.686 --> 02:41:29.201
And if they're not eliminated
02:41:29.201 --> 02:41:30.701
but I give them priority too,
02:41:30.701 --> 02:41:31.869
I can appreciate that.
02:41:31.869 --> 02:41:33.285
I think that's a good thing to do
02:41:33.285 --> 02:41:35.485
based on the positions these individuals have
02:41:35.485 --> 02:41:37.119
and the credentials they hold to be looked at first
02:41:37.119 --> 02:41:38.851
and then if you can't find them
02:41:38.851 --> 02:41:40.818
then you can look elsewhere.
02:41:40.818 --> 02:41:41.951
Thank you for that,
02:41:41.951 --> 02:41:44.070
I can support this.
02:41:44.070 --> 02:41:45.613
Mr Ratliff.
02:41:45.951 --> 02:41:47.668
Oh I'm sorry your light's on there.
02:41:47.668 --> 02:41:49.467
Sorry Ms Hardy.
02:41:49.467 --> 02:41:50.391
I'm somewhat confused
02:41:50.391 --> 02:41:53.549
I suppose it gets down to
02:41:54.818 --> 02:41:58.267
if someone has a bachelors degree
02:41:58.550 --> 02:42:00.351
let's say in science and I have
02:42:00.351 --> 02:42:02.252
someone who was a
02:42:02.252 --> 02:42:06.371
NASA worker for many years
02:42:08.152 --> 02:42:10.771
and I decided to go with NASA worker
02:42:10.771 --> 02:42:13.002
then I would be breaking our rules because
02:42:13.002 --> 02:42:15.367
there was someone there with a degree in science.
02:42:15.517 --> 02:42:17.134
Explain that one to me.
02:42:17.385 --> 02:42:18.268
Yeah chances are--
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Ms Beltran.
02:42:19.118 --> 02:42:20.234
If they work at NASA I would
02:42:20.234 --> 02:42:21.568
venture to guess that they have a degree
02:42:21.568 --> 02:42:22.470
in either math or science
02:42:22.470 --> 02:42:25.168
and probably a post doctorate degree
02:42:25.168 --> 02:42:26.301
which would deem them qualified.
02:42:26.301 --> 02:42:27.451
Take it out of something else,
02:42:27.451 --> 02:42:28.851
some other field.
02:42:28.851 --> 02:42:32.851
I know of people who have a great interest in history
02:42:32.851 --> 02:42:35.351
and have done tremendous work
02:42:35.351 --> 02:42:36.718
in the field of history,
02:42:36.718 --> 02:42:38.951
but they don't have a bachelors degree in history.
02:42:38.951 --> 02:42:42.968
So if I choose that person over someone that's
02:42:42.968 --> 02:42:44.385
on the...
02:42:44.385 --> 02:42:45.939
Are we controlling our own
02:42:45.939 --> 02:42:48.769
and demanding that we follow this rule,
02:42:48.769 --> 02:42:52.334
I think we will trip ourselves up in doing so.
02:42:52.334 --> 02:42:54.701
I think it's another layer of what we don't need.
02:42:55.153 --> 02:42:57.535
Because I think we are as board members
02:42:57.535 --> 02:42:58.835
if we're selecting people,
02:42:58.835 --> 02:43:02.227
those people should be selected that we think are,
02:43:02.227 --> 02:43:05.534
meet our standard of expert.
02:43:05.534 --> 02:43:08.868
If Tom doesn't think mine is an expert
02:43:09.751 --> 02:43:11.151
by making our own rules,
02:43:11.151 --> 02:43:13.568
then he controls what I do.
02:43:13.752 --> 02:43:15.485
Is that right?
02:43:15.485 --> 02:43:17.667
Is that what this would do?
02:43:17.951 --> 02:43:20.285
Let Monica address that.
02:43:20.285 --> 02:43:23.519
Ms Hardy I think as I understand this,
02:43:23.519 --> 02:43:25.350
when,
02:43:25.350 --> 02:43:28.117
and this is where we get into some of
02:43:28.117 --> 02:43:29.684
the conversation that we already had
02:43:29.684 --> 02:43:31.385
about who's making these decisions.
02:43:31.385 --> 02:43:34.001
When staff is trying to build those committees
02:43:34.001 --> 02:43:35.018
it's my understanding,
02:43:35.018 --> 02:43:39.168
so the rule says we are to prioritize qualified
02:43:39.168 --> 02:43:40.367
individuals,
02:43:40.367 --> 02:43:42.801
this is providing us with a definition
02:43:42.801 --> 02:43:46.368
to follow in that prioritization doesn't impact
02:43:46.368 --> 02:43:51.168
your ability to nominate anybody that you want to nominate.
02:43:51.517 --> 02:43:55.401
I would add that with the new language about advice
02:43:55.401 --> 02:43:57.734
and consent that's the part where,
02:43:57.734 --> 02:44:00.284
if for example you nominated somebody
02:44:00.284 --> 02:44:02.334
in another member's district then they would have
02:44:02.334 --> 02:44:03.918
some say in that,
02:44:03.918 --> 02:44:07.768
but other than that this prioritization would be made
02:44:07.768 --> 02:44:11.301
by staff when factoring in and reviewing
02:44:11.301 --> 02:44:13.435
all applications that come in.
02:44:14.351 --> 02:44:17.634
So would staff be able to say
02:44:17.634 --> 02:44:19.718
well here's someone with a PhD in history
02:44:19.718 --> 02:44:22.636
so therefore the person that you have
02:44:22.636 --> 02:44:23.351
you can't do?
02:44:23.351 --> 02:44:25.085
You can't put them in there.
02:44:25.085 --> 02:44:26.251
I'm confused.
02:44:26.251 --> 02:44:28.151
So again of all of the applications
02:44:28.151 --> 02:44:29.550
that come in,
02:44:29.550 --> 02:44:32.484
the rule says that we will give priority to those
02:44:32.484 --> 02:44:35.384
that board members have nominated.
02:44:35.384 --> 02:44:39.284
So your nomination carries more weight than
02:44:39.284 --> 02:44:42.256
a self nomination or a nomination by
02:44:42.256 --> 02:44:43.918
a superintendent or a principal.
02:44:43.918 --> 02:44:47.018
With that prioritization,
02:44:47.018 --> 02:44:51.700
there are some instances where we will have
02:44:51.700 --> 02:44:55.734
more than enough volunteers or some instances
02:44:55.734 --> 02:44:57.084
where we may not have enough volunteers.
02:44:57.084 --> 02:45:00.969
But in an instance where we have more volunteers
02:45:00.969 --> 02:45:05.402
and we are prioritizing your nominations
02:45:06.218 --> 02:45:08.951
over any others that come in,
02:45:08.951 --> 02:45:12.851
we would look for the qualified individual
02:45:12.851 --> 02:45:16.284
which goes hand in hand I believe with
02:45:16.284 --> 02:45:19.017
the other requirement that we have,
02:45:19.017 --> 02:45:23.088
to make sure that the majority of the members
02:45:23.088 --> 02:45:27.369
of the panel have content expertise.
02:45:27.885 --> 02:45:30.968
So we're gonna have to weigh all of those factors
02:45:30.968 --> 02:45:32.617
and I believe this amendment is,
02:45:32.617 --> 02:45:36.636
we already have to prioritize qualified individuals
02:45:37.017 --> 02:45:38.718
this is telling us,
02:45:38.718 --> 02:45:40.851
it's giving us some additional guidance
02:45:40.851 --> 02:45:43.484
on what that would be.
02:45:43.484 --> 02:45:46.118
Hasn't this always been what you've done?
02:45:46.118 --> 02:45:47.917
No ma'am it's not.
02:45:47.917 --> 02:45:49.568
You would choose,
02:45:49.568 --> 02:45:53.384
what was your basis of a qualified individual?
02:45:53.384 --> 02:45:55.819
We,
02:45:55.819 --> 02:45:58.251
this is new language
02:45:58.251 --> 02:46:02.367
that came up with the most recent adoption I believe,
02:46:03.618 --> 02:46:07.601
so we're trying to work through what those expectations are
02:46:07.985 --> 02:46:10.601
and make sure that we're meeting your
02:46:11.086 --> 02:46:15.236
expectations in trying to support you
02:46:15.651 --> 02:46:18.367
in building these review panels.
02:46:21.150 --> 02:46:23.568
Yes Mr Rowley.
02:46:23.918 --> 02:46:25.885
First a point of clarification,
02:46:25.885 --> 02:46:28.051
member Beltran whenever you read that
02:46:28.051 --> 02:46:31.351
you said teach the content being reviewed,
02:46:31.351 --> 02:46:34.018
and it says or in the language
02:46:34.018 --> 02:46:35.917
but you said it should say and?
02:46:35.917 --> 02:46:36.551
Yes.
02:46:36.551 --> 02:46:40.500
Oh okay so then if I'm understanding it,
02:46:40.500 --> 02:46:43.424
a qualified individual shall hold an educator certification
02:46:43.424 --> 02:46:45.052
to teach the content being reviewed
02:46:45.052 --> 02:46:49.017
and has been assigned to teach that content
02:46:49.017 --> 02:46:52.101
at least three of the last 10 years.
02:46:52.351 --> 02:46:54.101
Oh I thought that was an or--
02:46:54.453 --> 02:46:56.868
When she read it she said and
02:46:57.453 --> 02:47:00.053
and it now says or.
02:47:00.053 --> 02:47:01.584
Donna] Oh okay.
02:47:01.584 --> 02:47:02.152
It's and.
02:47:02.952 --> 02:47:03.534
It should be and.
02:47:03.534 --> 02:47:04.622
It's and now.
02:47:04.984 --> 02:47:06.351
So essentially you know
02:47:06.351 --> 02:47:07.952
what the intent here is
02:47:07.952 --> 02:47:11.064
is to set a standard, right?
02:47:11.064 --> 02:47:12.717
So this is a prioritization,
02:47:12.717 --> 02:47:14.751
if we have those candidates in the mix
02:47:14.751 --> 02:47:17.717
that have both certification and the teaching experience
02:47:17.717 --> 02:47:20.351
again what better candidate would be qualified
02:47:20.351 --> 02:47:23.219
to review our text books than someone who has
02:47:23.219 --> 02:47:25.753
the certification and the teaching experience.
02:47:25.753 --> 02:47:30.187
So setting the bar for prioritization.
02:47:31.951 --> 02:47:34.351
Still not at the exclusion of others
02:47:34.351 --> 02:47:36.269
that you might recommend.
02:47:36.918 --> 02:47:38.418
I have a followup question.
02:47:38.418 --> 02:47:39.284
Yes Mr Rowley.
02:47:39.284 --> 02:47:43.435
And so as I understand it
02:47:44.017 --> 02:47:45.003
the intent of
02:47:45.003 --> 02:47:49.767
the amendment is to clarify the prioritization process
02:47:51.818 --> 02:47:54.686
not the nomination process.
02:47:54.686 --> 02:47:56.803
And by that I mean as the commissioner
02:47:56.803 --> 02:48:01.601
is mandated to do in this provision
02:48:02.384 --> 02:48:05.084
to give priority to those qualified individuals
02:48:05.084 --> 02:48:07.517
who are nominated by the State board.
02:48:07.517 --> 02:48:10.884
It presupposes the fact that there are some
02:48:10.884 --> 02:48:14.119
people who maybe nominated by State board members
02:48:14.119 --> 02:48:18.234
who do not necessarily meet this definition of qualificat...
02:48:18.234 --> 02:48:19.352
of qualified,
02:48:19.352 --> 02:48:21.418
but can still serve on the panel.
02:48:21.418 --> 02:48:22.953
Am I right?
02:48:22.953 --> 02:48:24.251
Yes.
02:48:24.251 --> 02:48:25.284
Okay.
02:48:25.284 --> 02:48:27.621
And I have one more parliamentary question.
02:48:27.621 --> 02:48:30.618
In the event that this amendment passes
02:48:30.618 --> 02:48:34.867
would it still be in order to add
02:48:34.867 --> 02:48:36.819
an additional amendment
02:48:36.819 --> 02:48:38.785
to this provision?
02:48:41.851 --> 02:48:42.801
Not to the,
02:48:42.801 --> 02:48:43.921
if the sentence is adopted,
02:48:43.921 --> 02:48:46.535
not that sentence but anything else in the entire
02:48:46.535 --> 02:48:48.101
(inaudible) can be opened.
02:48:48.101 --> 02:48:49.320
Yeah I mean you could open up
02:48:49.320 --> 02:48:52.369
and add another amendment if that's what you want to do.
02:48:52.785 --> 02:48:54.384
Well I think (talking over each other)
02:48:54.384 --> 02:48:55.252
I'll just do this now.
02:48:55.252 --> 02:48:55.534
Is that all right,
02:48:55.534 --> 02:48:57.017
may I make an amendment now?
02:48:57.017 --> 02:48:57.934
Is it to the wording of--
02:48:57.934 --> 02:48:58.551
Is it to this sentence?
02:48:58.551 --> 02:48:59.467
Yes.
02:48:59.467 --> 02:49:00.387
Oh, I'm sorry, yes
02:49:00.387 --> 02:49:02.118
now's the time to do that.
02:49:02.118 --> 02:49:04.118
All right I haven't written this out because
02:49:04.118 --> 02:49:05.318
this is spur of the moment
02:49:05.318 --> 02:49:07.651
but I'll read it and if I need to write it out,
02:49:07.651 --> 02:49:10.251
I've written it but I haven't circulated it.
02:49:10.251 --> 02:49:14.054
I would move to insert after the word,
02:49:14.054 --> 02:49:16.784
the words being reviewed,
02:49:18.374 --> 02:49:21.434
the last clause of this amendment
02:49:22.217 --> 02:49:26.768
or let me read it through one time and then I'll
02:49:26.768 --> 02:49:27.718
kind of dictate it.
02:49:27.718 --> 02:49:28.886
Is that all right?
02:49:28.886 --> 02:49:32.052
Or through work or life experience
02:49:32.052 --> 02:49:34.752
have gained a level of expertise
02:49:34.752 --> 02:49:37.517
so as to render the person knowledgeable
02:49:37.517 --> 02:49:40.934
in the content area being reviewed.
02:49:42.218 --> 02:49:44.670
No, I'll circulate it.
02:49:44.985 --> 02:49:46.219
I'll get copies,
02:49:46.219 --> 02:49:47.418
but I'll say it again,
02:49:47.418 --> 02:49:51.451
or through work or life experience
02:49:54.817 --> 02:49:57.801
have gained a level of expertise
02:50:03.885 --> 02:50:05.668
so as to render
02:50:09.451 --> 02:50:12.234
the person knowledgeable
02:50:15.719 --> 02:50:18.268
in the content area being reviewed.
02:50:21.119 --> 02:50:22.351
Okay so it reads,
02:50:22.351 --> 02:50:26.134
or through work or life experience
02:50:26.684 --> 02:50:28.485
have gained a level of expertise
02:50:28.485 --> 02:50:29.919
so as to render
02:50:29.919 --> 02:50:31.351
the person knowledgeable
02:50:31.351 --> 02:50:34.068
in the content area being reviewed.
02:50:35.651 --> 02:50:37.284
Second it but only for discussion, second.
02:50:39.784 --> 02:50:42.536
Yes go ahead speak to that please.
02:50:42.951 --> 02:50:47.951
Okay my concern with the amendment
02:50:48.584 --> 02:50:53.050
as worded is that it is restrictive
02:50:53.050 --> 02:50:55.384
only to those persons who either teach
02:50:55.384 --> 02:50:58.835
or have a degree in that particular area.
02:50:59.684 --> 02:51:01.685
I think there are,
02:51:01.685 --> 02:51:03.351
there are a number of other
02:51:04.501 --> 02:51:07.568
basis upon which someone can gain
02:51:07.568 --> 02:51:11.634
sufficient knowledge of a content area.
02:51:12.152 --> 02:51:14.851
So as to allow them to be qualified
02:51:14.851 --> 02:51:17.051
as a reviewer,
02:51:17.051 --> 02:51:19.251
particularly when we look in areas of CTE
02:51:19.251 --> 02:51:22.920
and a lot of other different areas where
02:51:23.851 --> 02:51:26.935
that person may still be qualified
02:51:27.518 --> 02:51:30.051
but may not have been necessarily educated
02:51:30.051 --> 02:51:33.101
in that particular area formally.
02:51:33.584 --> 02:51:35.218
Or having taught in that area.
02:51:35.218 --> 02:51:37.401
So that's the purpose of my amendment.
02:51:37.852 --> 02:51:38.178
Madam.
02:51:38.178 --> 02:51:39.084
Yes Ms Cargill,
02:51:39.084 --> 02:51:40.384
Oh I'm sorry Ms Perez.
02:51:40.384 --> 02:51:41.036
Thank you.
02:51:41.036 --> 02:51:42.737
Okay I thought you had a list.
02:51:42.737 --> 02:51:44.002
Actually you were next,
02:51:44.002 --> 02:51:45.485
but I got (crosstalk).
02:51:45.485 --> 02:51:49.103
It's her birthday she goes first.
02:51:49.251 --> 02:51:50.451
Thank you, thank you.
02:51:50.451 --> 02:51:51.984
Thank you Madam Chair,
02:51:51.984 --> 02:51:56.700
you know my concern with the proposed amendment
02:51:56.700 --> 02:51:59.351
to the amendment is that we're getting
02:51:59.351 --> 02:52:01.751
back into a subjective language.
02:52:01.751 --> 02:52:05.018
I think that the original amendment that was
02:52:05.018 --> 02:52:06.818
proposed was very specific
02:52:06.818 --> 02:52:08.251
and was very clear as to what
02:52:08.251 --> 02:52:09.484
we're expecting.
02:52:09.484 --> 02:52:11.618
When we start talking about experience
02:52:11.618 --> 02:52:14.218
we have to then go in to find what experience
02:52:14.218 --> 02:52:15.484
looks like.
02:52:15.484 --> 02:52:17.184
And then we have to go in and define
02:52:17.184 --> 02:52:18.584
what expertise looks like.
02:52:18.584 --> 02:52:19.784
And then we have to go in and define
02:52:19.784 --> 02:52:21.317
what knowledgeable looks like.
02:52:21.317 --> 02:52:23.919
And I think that with the way that this is worded originally
02:52:23.919 --> 02:52:27.900
this lays out very clearly what the expectations are.
02:52:28.151 --> 02:52:29.751
So I just want to keep in mind that,
02:52:29.751 --> 02:52:34.168
we're in this again to repeat it again
02:52:34.417 --> 02:52:36.285
and it's not that we're excluding anybody
02:52:36.285 --> 02:52:37.651
and in fact we're keeping it,
02:52:37.651 --> 02:52:41.468
we have a lot of educators that are retired
02:52:42.253 --> 02:52:43.985
that come back and serve on these panels.
02:52:43.985 --> 02:52:48.404
I think putting a 10 year time period on that
02:52:48.404 --> 02:52:50.302
is also very important because
02:52:50.302 --> 02:52:52.191
we all know that you know,
02:52:52.191 --> 02:52:53.285
that things,
02:52:53.285 --> 02:52:55.817
history changes within that amount of time
02:52:55.817 --> 02:52:59.051
there are updates in science and things like that
02:52:59.051 --> 02:53:02.885
so having somebody that has relevant knowledge
02:53:02.885 --> 02:53:04.899
is also very important.
02:53:04.899 --> 02:53:09.437
So I speak against the proposed change to the
02:53:10.451 --> 02:53:12.152
current amendment.
02:53:12.152 --> 02:53:15.122
And in support of the original amendment.
02:53:15.784 --> 02:53:17.351
I do wanna ask a question,
02:53:17.351 --> 02:53:19.520
now I guess I'm not understanding
02:53:19.520 --> 02:53:21.951
the striking of the or,
02:53:21.951 --> 02:53:26.602
and making it an and in the original part
02:53:26.851 --> 02:53:27.851
that you're talking about.
02:53:27.851 --> 02:53:28.651
I know we're talking about this too,
02:53:28.651 --> 02:53:30.297
but should we wait to ask that question
02:53:30.297 --> 02:53:31.718
until this got done.
02:53:31.718 --> 02:53:32.717
I'm out of order,
02:53:32.717 --> 02:53:34.584
I'm out of ordering myself.
02:53:34.584 --> 02:53:37.568
Okay, I'll go back to that question.
02:53:37.717 --> 02:53:41.068
Okay we're gonna stick strictly to the amendment
02:53:41.651 --> 02:53:42.652
and Ms Cargill.
02:53:45.384 --> 02:53:47.834
Well the amendment makes me feel better about
02:53:47.834 --> 02:53:50.018
the first amendment because
02:53:50.018 --> 02:53:51.084
my question,
02:53:51.084 --> 02:53:52.451
I thought that,
02:53:52.451 --> 02:53:55.022
I feel like everybody that I nominate
02:53:55.022 --> 02:53:56.617
is qualified.
02:54:01.327 --> 02:54:03.576
So now I can read the headline saying,
02:54:04.218 --> 02:54:09.003
Cargill appoints 60% qualified individuals
02:54:09.352 --> 02:54:11.852
and the rest aren't qualified.
02:54:11.852 --> 02:54:12.684
You see what I'm saying because
02:54:12.684 --> 02:54:15.117
maybe only a certain percent of the people I nominate
02:54:15.117 --> 02:54:17.117
will have their teaching degree or bachelaurete
02:54:17.117 --> 02:54:19.685
or the qualification...
02:54:19.685 --> 02:54:21.252
I see what you're trying to do
02:54:21.252 --> 02:54:24.868
but I don't want some people who are from my disctrict
02:54:25.051 --> 02:54:28.935
to feel like they get the word qualified next to their name
02:54:29.284 --> 02:54:31.334
and then the rest don't just because...
02:54:32.851 --> 02:54:35.184
But trust me go with me I know what,
02:54:35.184 --> 02:54:36.818
how this would pan out,
02:54:36.818 --> 02:54:38.285
but I do see what you're trying to accomplish.
02:54:38.285 --> 02:54:40.784
And Mr Rowley's amendment
02:54:40.784 --> 02:54:42.552
does make me feel better because then it would cover
02:54:42.552 --> 02:54:47.036
every person who I nominate to serve on a panel.
02:54:47.484 --> 02:54:48.870
Mr Bradley.
02:54:50.551 --> 02:54:53.668
I kinda wanna help out with the TFN
02:54:53.668 --> 02:54:55.952
fundraising effort today.
02:54:55.952 --> 02:54:58.634
So I hope they quote me accurately.
02:54:59.651 --> 02:55:02.986
I do support Mr Rowley's amendment to the amendment
02:55:02.986 --> 02:55:05.184
because the way it's currently written,
02:55:05.184 --> 02:55:07.384
that word shall in there.
02:55:07.384 --> 02:55:08.917
There is no flexibility
02:55:08.917 --> 02:55:12.217
and if we've ever watched the agency follow the rule of law
02:55:12.217 --> 02:55:16.051
they're pretty specific in trying to accommodate
02:55:16.051 --> 02:55:18.550
and work under those guidelines.
02:55:18.550 --> 02:55:21.251
But I would suggest to you that Bill Gates
02:55:21.251 --> 02:55:25.117
would not qualify to write and oversee
02:55:25.117 --> 02:55:29.968
a review computer science courses or text books
02:55:30.718 --> 02:55:32.017
here in Texas under this rule,
02:55:32.017 --> 02:55:34.068
it's proposed without the amendment.
02:55:34.518 --> 02:55:37.551
That young man that gave that stunning presentation
02:55:37.551 --> 02:55:39.317
this morning on American history
02:55:39.317 --> 02:55:43.684
would not be eligible to be a reviewer under the
02:55:43.684 --> 02:55:45.617
current amendment,
02:55:45.617 --> 02:55:47.051
if it's unamended.
02:55:47.051 --> 02:55:49.100
And I'm gonna support my member
02:55:49.100 --> 02:55:53.152
and colleague Ratliff in alaying his concerns
02:55:53.152 --> 02:55:56.118
that he proposed that we should all watch out for
02:55:56.118 --> 02:55:57.886
and those are those pointy headed liberals
02:55:57.886 --> 02:55:59.835
over at UT.
02:56:00.318 --> 02:56:01.184
Thank you.
02:56:01.184 --> 02:56:03.535
Mr Mercer.
02:56:05.652 --> 02:56:08.684
I have to follow that?
02:56:08.684 --> 02:56:11.567
Well I am comforted by
02:56:11.567 --> 02:56:14.454
member Rowley's amendment
02:56:14.454 --> 02:56:18.234
but I also agree with Ms Perez that it's subjective
02:56:18.784 --> 02:56:20.418
where here we have a
02:56:20.418 --> 02:56:22.217
objected definition.
02:56:22.217 --> 02:56:23.653
My only concern is that
02:56:23.653 --> 02:56:26.253
to be honest I was here before
02:56:26.253 --> 02:56:27.317
when this happened
02:56:27.317 --> 02:56:29.051
and it was cold and it was a group
02:56:29.051 --> 02:56:31.484
who loves to quote me a lot.
02:56:31.484 --> 02:56:35.134
This is called the David Barton rule.
02:56:36.184 --> 02:56:37.650
I mean it was called the David Barton rule,
02:56:37.650 --> 02:56:39.417
it was a guy who was giving presentations
02:56:39.417 --> 02:56:41.484
probably in every state house
02:56:41.484 --> 02:56:42.885
and in the US house
02:56:42.885 --> 02:56:44.918
but he didn't have a degree in that
02:56:44.918 --> 02:56:46.281
and he came here and did an incredible
02:56:46.281 --> 02:56:47.234
presentation,
02:56:47.234 --> 02:56:48.917
kind of a knock your socks off stuff.
02:56:48.917 --> 02:56:50.550
I'm wondering why the definition
02:56:50.550 --> 02:56:53.451
we don't put that down into educator,
02:56:53.451 --> 02:56:54.517
you know when we say educator,
02:56:54.517 --> 02:56:56.820
parents and business industry representatives.
02:56:56.820 --> 02:56:59.352
I would suggest maybe we put an educator as someone
02:56:59.352 --> 02:57:01.684
who holds certification to teach a content,
02:57:01.684 --> 02:57:03.751
three to 10 years maybe that aught to be
02:57:03.751 --> 02:57:05.121
definition of educator.
02:57:05.121 --> 02:57:06.651
I'm concerned about...
02:57:06.651 --> 02:57:08.152
I know what's going on,
02:57:08.152 --> 02:57:09.584
maybe we should define an educator
02:57:09.584 --> 02:57:12.250
but I'm worried about bumping other good people
02:57:12.250 --> 02:57:14.484
and I'll be very honest especially in the area
02:57:14.484 --> 02:57:16.020
of social studies,
02:57:16.020 --> 02:57:17.351
it was my business leaders
02:57:17.351 --> 02:57:18.784
and moms and dads who found things like
02:57:18.784 --> 02:57:20.819
when had qualified experts,
02:57:20.819 --> 02:57:23.085
I'm gonna be very honest this is historic,
02:57:23.085 --> 02:57:25.552
who deleted things like veterans day,
02:57:25.552 --> 02:57:27.252
independence day.
02:57:27.252 --> 02:57:28.551
Who deleted the Holocaust,
02:57:28.551 --> 02:57:30.050
that deleted the military.
02:57:30.050 --> 02:57:31.951
Those were all qualified experts
02:57:31.951 --> 02:57:34.185
and great in their fields and with PhD's
02:57:34.185 --> 02:57:36.084
and those were average moms and dads
02:57:36.084 --> 02:57:37.651
and business leaders who found that
02:57:37.651 --> 02:57:39.184
and when it came to this board
02:57:39.184 --> 02:57:41.420
it was true, it was clear, it was evident.
02:57:41.420 --> 02:57:44.085
So I want that power,
02:57:44.085 --> 02:57:46.317
we have a good mixture now of educators,
02:57:46.317 --> 02:57:48.551
parents and business representatives.
02:57:48.551 --> 02:57:49.850
I like that rule.
02:57:49.850 --> 02:57:51.918
I think maybe I would like to see educators be
02:57:51.918 --> 02:57:54.420
defined as something that has a certification in that area,
02:57:54.420 --> 02:57:56.152
who had teaching experience,
02:57:56.152 --> 02:57:58.119
I think maybe we need to look at that.
02:57:58.119 --> 02:57:59.617
But I am concerned about--
02:57:59.617 --> 02:58:01.351
So you're speaking to
02:58:01.351 --> 02:58:02.984
the amendment that Mr Rowley--
02:58:02.984 --> 02:58:04.018
I'm speaking to the amendment that
02:58:04.018 --> 02:58:05.186
I like what Marty's doing
02:58:05.186 --> 02:58:06.551
but because it's subjective,
02:58:06.551 --> 02:58:08.487
but the overall premise I still oppose.
02:58:10.167 --> 02:58:11.352
We're taking this amendment
02:58:11.352 --> 02:58:12.719
and then you can come back.
02:58:12.719 --> 02:58:13.784
So I would probably support the amendment
02:58:13.784 --> 02:58:15.018
but vote against the overall amendment.
02:58:15.018 --> 02:58:16.885
Can I do that Mr Parliamentarian?
02:58:16.885 --> 02:58:18.220
Of course.
02:58:18.220 --> 02:58:18.884
I can support the amendment--
02:58:18.884 --> 02:58:20.287
Yeah there are two votes.
02:58:20.287 --> 02:58:21.185
So I can support the amendment
02:58:21.185 --> 02:58:22.584
but I want you to know what I'm doing.
02:58:22.584 --> 02:58:24.453
I can support the amendment to protect ourselves
02:58:24.453 --> 02:58:27.985
but I will vote against the overall amendment
02:58:27.985 --> 02:58:29.584
because I would like to see it pulled down
02:58:29.584 --> 02:58:30.751
perhaps to define,
02:58:30.751 --> 02:58:32.419
definition of educator.
02:58:32.419 --> 02:58:34.685
But I don't want to have the right take
02:58:34.685 --> 02:58:36.853
and then I can knock off Marisa's appointment
02:58:36.853 --> 02:58:38.551
or (inaudible) appointment or whatever,
02:58:38.551 --> 02:58:40.618
Or that some group could say
02:58:40.618 --> 02:58:42.084
these people are qualified
02:58:42.084 --> 02:58:43.384
and these are not qualified,
02:58:43.384 --> 02:58:45.550
that's not right either.
02:58:45.550 --> 02:58:46.751
Thank you.
02:58:46.751 --> 02:58:49.618
Yes Ms Beltran I think everyone has spoken
02:58:49.618 --> 02:58:50.868
right?
02:58:50.868 --> 02:58:51.901
Ms Beltran.
02:58:51.901 --> 02:58:54.117
Thank you for the dialog and I appreciate
02:58:54.117 --> 02:58:56.818
the conversation I would just reiterate the point
02:58:56.818 --> 02:58:59.017
that the intention of the amendment
02:58:59.017 --> 02:59:00.251
is actually to clarify,
02:59:00.251 --> 02:59:02.020
or the initial amendment,
02:59:02.020 --> 02:59:03.552
and the amendment to the amendment
02:59:03.552 --> 02:59:06.218
I think just leaves us back in the same space
02:59:06.218 --> 02:59:09.117
of not having a clear definition.
02:59:09.117 --> 02:59:12.551
And again this is not at the exclusion
02:59:12.551 --> 02:59:14.052
of anyone else.
02:59:14.052 --> 02:59:17.119
It is a way to prioritize and define what we
02:59:17.119 --> 02:59:18.951
mean by a qualified individual.
02:59:18.951 --> 02:59:22.684
I would also urge my colleagues to stay focused
02:59:22.684 --> 02:59:24.018
on what our priority is
02:59:24.018 --> 02:59:25.284
and that is the children.
02:59:25.284 --> 02:59:27.689
The five million kids in Texas
02:59:27.689 --> 02:59:29.617
and then all of the other states who adopt
02:59:29.617 --> 02:59:32.585
our textbooks and so we're really talking about
02:59:32.585 --> 02:59:34.819
even more than five million kids.
02:59:34.819 --> 02:59:37.151
I would stay away from
02:59:37.151 --> 02:59:39.484
being concerned about who we may,
02:59:39.484 --> 02:59:42.118
what other adults we may offend
02:59:42.118 --> 02:59:44.951
and stay focused on making sure that we're
02:59:44.951 --> 02:59:47.118
adopting textbooks and that the reviewers
02:59:47.118 --> 02:59:48.586
are really people who understand
02:59:49.806 --> 02:59:52.300
our systems of education and the content.
02:59:53.251 --> 02:59:54.585
Mr Maynard, you're speaking to the amendment.
02:59:54.585 --> 02:59:56.052
Madam Chair I was just wondering
02:59:56.052 --> 02:59:57.552
and I think that
02:59:59.918 --> 03:00:01.534
just in my mind
03:00:01.784 --> 03:00:02.784
when I look at the
03:00:02.784 --> 03:00:04.051
what's been submitted to us,
03:00:04.051 --> 03:00:06.851
it's not on a clean copy,
03:00:06.851 --> 03:00:09.084
it'd be really good to be able to see this thing
03:00:09.084 --> 03:00:12.734
in the print with the current language.
03:00:13.384 --> 03:00:16.984
I think that would really be helpful.
03:00:16.984 --> 03:00:18.751
Is there anyway that we could--
03:00:18.751 --> 03:00:20.018
You know,
03:00:20.018 --> 03:00:21.218
we could take a recess,
03:00:21.218 --> 03:00:22.619
get that done real quick,
03:00:22.619 --> 03:00:25.051
or we could go to the next agenda item maybe
03:00:25.051 --> 03:00:26.751
and then come back.
03:00:26.751 --> 03:00:28.718
I mean I'm not sure what...
03:00:28.718 --> 03:00:31.601
What was the question?
03:00:31.851 --> 03:00:33.484
There's a lack of clarification.
03:00:33.484 --> 03:00:34.951
We're asked for some clarification
03:00:34.951 --> 03:00:38.869
because now I can read it again if you'd like to do that
03:00:39.251 --> 03:00:41.751
or you actually want it printed ?
03:00:41.751 --> 03:00:43.451
I'm kind of visual.
03:00:45.291 --> 03:00:47.501
It's my learning style.
03:00:47.501 --> 03:00:49.134
Okay, I'll tell you we're gonna take
03:00:49.134 --> 03:00:50.018
just a five minute,
03:00:50.018 --> 03:00:51.954
we're gonna take five minutes
03:00:51.954 --> 03:00:53.301
get this typed out correctly because
03:00:53.301 --> 03:00:53.918
the problem with,
03:00:53.918 --> 03:00:56.551
the problem with the amendment before is
03:00:56.551 --> 03:00:58.523
it's not the correct language inserted in
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the changes that we already made.
03:01:00.934 --> 03:01:02.236
So it makes it hard.
03:01:04.085 --> 03:01:06.368
Okay we will,
03:01:06.368 --> 03:01:07.951
Let's do 10 minutes
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so 12:30 I guess.
03:01:11.951 --> 03:01:14.367
Any objection?
03:12:01.384 --> 03:12:04.303
(group chatter)
03:14:30.686 --> 03:14:32.018
Members if there's no objection
03:14:32.018 --> 03:14:33.517
we're gonna go ahead,
03:14:33.517 --> 03:14:35.651
legal is trying to get this cleaned up,
03:14:35.651 --> 03:14:37.284
language wise,
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Members I'm gonna go ahead
03:14:38.384 --> 03:14:40.150
and call us back to order.
03:14:40.150 --> 03:14:43.384
They're gonna work on it and see
03:14:43.384 --> 03:14:45.151
if we can bring it back up here,
03:14:45.151 --> 03:14:47.584
but we're gonna move on in the agenda.
03:14:47.584 --> 03:14:49.084
I think there are other
03:14:49.084 --> 03:14:51.452
much more easily dismissed amendments
03:14:51.452 --> 03:14:52.751
in the same agenda item,
03:14:52.751 --> 03:14:54.419
do you wanna just do those
03:14:54.419 --> 03:14:55.684
and then if--
03:14:55.684 --> 03:14:57.418
Oh I didn't realize there were other--
03:14:57.418 --> 03:14:59.152
Yeah there are a couple of tightening
03:14:59.152 --> 03:15:00.951
amendments that have arisen since we did it
03:15:00.951 --> 03:15:01.768
on Wednesday.
03:15:01.768 --> 03:15:02.268
Okay, well yeah
03:15:02.268 --> 03:15:02.518
let's do those.
03:15:02.518 --> 03:15:04.234
Because I didn't realize there were others.
03:15:04.234 --> 03:15:05.434
Okay,
03:15:07.217 --> 03:15:09.351
okay so Members so the main motion is
03:15:09.351 --> 03:15:12.518
still on page 11 but if you'll flip back
03:15:12.518 --> 03:15:15.201
onto page 6,
03:15:15.201 --> 03:15:16.985
in the committee the full board minutes
03:15:16.985 --> 03:15:19.819
the second motion in vote
03:15:19.819 --> 03:15:22.918
that deals with 66.28 F.
03:15:22.918 --> 03:15:25.784
That reads a publisher may not submit
03:15:25.784 --> 03:15:27.384
instructional materials for review that have been
03:15:27.384 --> 03:15:29.048
authored or contributed to by an employee
03:15:29.048 --> 03:15:30.964
of the TEA.
03:15:30.964 --> 03:15:32.319
I want to insert the word,
03:15:32.319 --> 03:15:35.371
strike the word an and insert the word a current
03:15:35.371 --> 03:15:36.968
employee of TEA.
03:15:36.968 --> 03:15:40.401
Okay I'm sorry which page is this on in the notes?
03:15:40.401 --> 03:15:41.735
Page six
03:15:41.735 --> 03:15:43.137
in the committee the full board minutes.
03:15:43.137 --> 03:15:44.251
Oh okay.
03:15:44.251 --> 03:15:46.351
I was looking on page 11.
03:15:46.351 --> 03:15:48.470
Sorry.
03:15:48.820 --> 03:15:50.885
Item F, yes sir.
03:15:50.885 --> 03:15:54.446
The original amendment on Wednesday said or contributed to
03:15:54.446 --> 03:15:58.134
by an employee of the TEA
03:15:58.418 --> 03:16:00.669
and I wanna strike an and put
03:16:00.669 --> 03:16:02.735
a current employee of the TEA.
03:16:02.952 --> 03:16:03.751
Is there a second?
03:16:03.751 --> 03:16:05.022
I'll second.
03:16:05.022 --> 03:16:06.518
Any discussion?
03:16:06.518 --> 03:16:08.984
All those in favor of the amendment say Aye.
03:16:08.984 --> 03:16:09.836
Aye.
03:16:09.836 --> 03:16:10.785
All those opposed say no.
03:16:10.785 --> 03:16:12.465
Okay any others?
03:16:12.465 --> 03:16:15.788
Yes ma'am on page 11.
03:16:15.788 --> 03:16:17.035
Of the notes, correct?
03:16:17.035 --> 03:16:17.984
Yes ma'am.
03:16:17.984 --> 03:16:19.652
The second motion in vote
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was Ms Cargill's dealing with 66.104A
03:16:24.219 --> 03:16:28.901
in subsection A2 where it reads public assess to
03:16:28.901 --> 03:16:30.284
parents and members of the public
03:16:30.284 --> 03:16:32.951
who wish to review material,
03:16:32.951 --> 03:16:36.219
Wanna insert the words described in A1
03:16:36.219 --> 03:16:38.935
prior to being chosen.
03:16:41.419 --> 03:16:42.835
Okay--
03:16:42.835 --> 03:16:45.601
It's on page 11 of the notes,
03:16:46.020 --> 03:16:48.085
minutes, of the minutes.
03:16:48.085 --> 03:16:49.751
So in A2 it would read
03:16:49.751 --> 03:16:52.151
public access to parents and members of the public
03:16:52.151 --> 03:16:55.284
who wish to review material described in A1
03:16:55.284 --> 03:16:57.835
prior to being chosen.
03:16:57.835 --> 03:16:58.819
I second.
03:16:58.819 --> 03:17:00.784
And what this make it clear members
03:17:00.784 --> 03:17:02.720
Barbara and I talked about this,
03:17:02.720 --> 03:17:05.850
this only applies to materials being used to certify
03:17:05.850 --> 03:17:06.818
TEACs coverage.
03:17:06.818 --> 03:17:08.884
We just didn't want it to be broadly interpreted
03:17:08.884 --> 03:17:11.085
that anything the teachers wanna use
03:17:11.085 --> 03:17:13.151
subscriptions to magazines or whatever else
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has to be approved before it can be used.
03:17:14.967 --> 03:17:16.018
Okay any other discussion?
03:17:16.018 --> 03:17:18.201
All those in favor of the amendment say Aye.
03:17:18.201 --> 03:17:19.101
Aye.
03:17:19.101 --> 03:17:19.920
All those opposed say no.
03:17:19.920 --> 03:17:21.835
Thank you (inaudible).
03:17:21.835 --> 03:17:24.568
That's it and here's Vaughn with the amendment.
03:17:24.568 --> 03:17:25.519
Okay so those two,
03:17:25.519 --> 03:17:27.953
are we ready to reconsider?
03:17:27.953 --> 03:17:29.452
Should I just lay this down right now?
03:17:36.972 --> 03:17:38.342
I'm sorry what?
03:17:38.418 --> 03:17:39.356
Tell them to stand at ease
03:17:39.356 --> 03:17:40.319
for a second.
03:17:40.319 --> 03:17:41.784
Stand at ease for just one...
03:17:41.784 --> 03:17:44.501
you've got it okay.
03:17:45.085 --> 03:17:46.434
Thank you.
03:18:01.851 --> 03:18:03.419
This would be,
03:18:03.419 --> 03:18:05.018
does this have to do with their
03:18:05.018 --> 03:18:07.634
(inaudible) instead of their amendment.
03:18:09.318 --> 03:18:10.851
Right.
03:18:10.851 --> 03:18:12.251
Right.
03:18:12.251 --> 03:18:13.685
So there's two.
03:18:13.685 --> 03:18:14.618
Right.
03:18:14.618 --> 03:18:15.684
So we can't take this one out.
03:18:15.684 --> 03:18:16.385
This is what we're taking out.
03:18:16.385 --> 03:18:18.134
Right here that one.
03:18:18.451 --> 03:18:21.201
But (inaudible) wants to put this in there.
03:18:22.084 --> 03:18:23.651
He wants to add this.
03:18:23.651 --> 03:18:25.385
You have your microphone on chair.
03:18:25.385 --> 03:18:27.401
Oh so sorry.
03:18:44.319 --> 03:18:45.785
Mr Cortez.
03:18:45.785 --> 03:18:47.351
So are we discussing the
03:18:47.351 --> 03:18:49.489
amendment to the amendment or are we--
03:18:49.489 --> 03:18:51.219
We have to take that up first.
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So then,
03:18:53.519 --> 03:18:56.084
I would obviously rise against the
03:18:56.084 --> 03:18:58.019
amendment to the amendment
03:18:58.019 --> 03:18:59.551
for the simple reason that
03:19:02.091 --> 03:19:04.785
it creates on the original amendment
03:19:04.785 --> 03:19:06.451
a net zero affect.
03:19:06.451 --> 03:19:08.351
You know it's like if,
03:19:08.351 --> 03:19:09.751
it's like why is she introducing it
03:19:09.751 --> 03:19:12.901
if his intent is just to kill it.
03:19:14.481 --> 03:19:15.534
And at the bottom,
03:19:18.464 --> 03:19:21.501
at the bottom of section C on page seven
03:19:21.501 --> 03:19:24.001
it really clearly
03:19:24.001 --> 03:19:25.934
gives direction,
03:19:25.934 --> 03:19:27.252
giving priority to content relevant
03:19:27.252 --> 03:19:29.117
educators and professors,
03:19:29.117 --> 03:19:30.619
the appointment shall include
03:19:30.619 --> 03:19:34.634
educators, parents, business, industry representatives
03:19:34.634 --> 03:19:39.002
and employers.
03:19:39.851 --> 03:19:44.851
It already gives that latitude for those individuals
03:19:46.184 --> 03:19:49.384
but when you add that language to
03:19:49.384 --> 03:19:54.320
I guess be more clear on what a qualified individual is
03:19:54.320 --> 03:19:55.784
it just,
03:19:55.784 --> 03:19:57.318
it creates a wash
03:19:57.318 --> 03:19:58.484
it's a net zero affect.
03:19:58.484 --> 03:20:01.751
You know if your intent is to
03:20:01.751 --> 03:20:03.984
not have her bring the item up
03:20:03.984 --> 03:20:05.485
then you should just tell her not to
03:20:05.485 --> 03:20:06.718
bring the item up.
03:20:06.718 --> 03:20:07.952
Not try to destroy by an amendment
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like this.
03:20:09.084 --> 03:20:10.451
So I would stand against it.
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Okay members
03:20:11.685 --> 03:20:13.051
just a point of clarification
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because what was just given to us
03:20:15.351 --> 03:20:18.351
was a new D, instead of amending C
03:20:18.351 --> 03:20:20.551
which is what's on the floor right now.
03:20:20.551 --> 03:20:24.418
So if it's okay you will withdraw your amendment
03:20:24.418 --> 03:20:27.384
to C and therefore obviously...
03:20:27.384 --> 03:20:30.251
And then we would introduce a new D
03:20:30.251 --> 03:20:32.784
that you're gonna suggest and then we'll
03:20:32.784 --> 03:20:33.818
go on from there.
03:20:33.818 --> 03:20:35.817
Because I just wanna make sure if we
03:20:35.817 --> 03:20:37.318
decide we like this format better
03:20:37.318 --> 03:20:38.884
than trying to amend C,
03:20:38.884 --> 03:20:41.703
then we wanna introduce it that way.
03:20:41.703 --> 03:20:43.718
Is there any objection to that?
03:20:45.952 --> 03:20:47.568
Is there any objection to withdrawing
03:20:47.568 --> 03:20:49.217
the amendments from C.
03:20:49.217 --> 03:20:50.684
Okay.
03:20:50.684 --> 03:20:52.651
Ms Beltran.
03:20:52.651 --> 03:20:54.384
So I withdraw my amendment to C
03:20:54.384 --> 03:20:56.919
and reintroduce this language
03:20:56.919 --> 03:20:58.784
to insert a new D
03:20:58.784 --> 03:21:00.185
which says,
03:21:00.185 --> 03:21:01.884
you all have copies of it,
03:21:01.884 --> 03:21:03.418
a qualified individual,
03:21:03.418 --> 03:21:05.051
so insert now subsection D
03:21:05.051 --> 03:21:08.720
and propose 19 TAC 66.30 that reads as follows,
03:21:08.720 --> 03:21:11.120
D, a qualified individual for purposes
03:21:11.120 --> 03:21:12.785
of this subsection,
03:21:12.785 --> 03:21:14.485
of subsection C,
03:21:14.485 --> 03:21:17.998
shall one, hold an educator certification to teach
03:21:17.998 --> 03:21:19.253
content being reviewed
03:21:19.253 --> 03:21:21.051
and have been assigned to teach that content
03:21:21.051 --> 03:21:22.688
in at least three of the last 10 years.
03:21:22.688 --> 03:21:25.151
Or hold at least a bachelaurete degree
03:21:25.151 --> 03:21:28.234
in the content area covered by the material being reviewed.
03:21:28.351 --> 03:21:29.519
Is there a second?
03:21:29.519 --> 03:21:31.118
Second.
03:21:31.118 --> 03:21:32.518
Okay now Mr Rowley.
03:21:32.518 --> 03:21:34.006
Yeah Madam Chair I move to
03:21:34.006 --> 03:21:35.368
amendment to the amendment
03:21:35.368 --> 03:21:37.935
by adding a sub part three
03:21:38.284 --> 03:21:40.219
that would read
03:21:40.219 --> 03:21:42.184
through life or work experience,
03:21:42.184 --> 03:21:43.851
well that would be or.
03:21:43.851 --> 03:21:45.251
Excuse me.
03:21:45.251 --> 03:21:47.084
Or through life or work experience
03:21:47.084 --> 03:21:49.351
a work or life experience have gained a level
03:21:49.351 --> 03:21:51.918
of expertise so as to render the person
03:21:51.918 --> 03:21:53.451
knowledgeable in the content area
03:21:53.451 --> 03:21:55.085
being reviewed.
03:21:55.085 --> 03:21:55.917
Is there a second?
03:21:55.917 --> 03:21:56.751
Second.
03:21:56.751 --> 03:21:59.217
Okay now we're discussing the amendment to the amendment,
03:21:59.217 --> 03:22:01.351
that Mr Rowley just offered.
03:22:01.351 --> 03:22:03.019
Mr Bradley.
03:22:03.019 --> 03:22:06.084
I address Madam Chair to Mr Rowley.
03:22:06.084 --> 03:22:09.587
One of the other little amendments you made
03:22:09.587 --> 03:22:12.884
is at the end of number one you struck the word or.
03:22:16.294 --> 03:22:19.201
Now staff said well that's just moving the or down
03:22:19.201 --> 03:22:22.351
in order to extend the qualifications
03:22:22.351 --> 03:22:23.851
but the way I would read it,
03:22:23.851 --> 03:22:25.420
if you take the or out,
03:22:25.420 --> 03:22:27.651
number one and number two
03:22:27.651 --> 03:22:29.652
are joined essentially.
03:22:29.652 --> 03:22:31.351
You have to meet both of those.
03:22:31.351 --> 03:22:33.904
I didn't do that (inaudible).
03:22:34.751 --> 03:22:35.884
She dropped the or?
03:22:37.474 --> 03:22:39.001
Madam Chair if I might address.
03:22:39.001 --> 03:22:40.034
Yes Vaughn.
03:22:40.034 --> 03:22:43.502
As the drafter of this,
03:22:43.884 --> 03:22:45.918
so in the original amendment
03:22:45.918 --> 03:22:49.501
you had three clauses
03:22:50.851 --> 03:22:52.417
an and that was
03:22:52.417 --> 03:22:55.717
joining some concepts and an or that was providing
03:22:55.717 --> 03:22:56.885
an alternative.
03:22:56.885 --> 03:22:59.851
It wasn't clear whether the certification applied
03:22:59.851 --> 03:23:02.351
to both sections that were combined
03:23:02.351 --> 03:23:04.152
by the or, or not.
03:23:04.152 --> 03:23:07.917
So I've suggested in subsection D
03:23:07.917 --> 03:23:10.552
some clarity there so that you have,
03:23:10.552 --> 03:23:12.951
it's clearer where the and,
03:23:12.951 --> 03:23:14.785
what the and is joining
03:23:14.785 --> 03:23:17.168
and what the alternative option is.
03:23:17.787 --> 03:23:20.085
In the amendment
03:23:20.085 --> 03:23:24.569
in subsection D to add a third option
03:23:26.684 --> 03:23:29.017
the or is struck out and moved after two
03:23:29.017 --> 03:23:32.602
because it shows an additional option.
03:23:33.118 --> 03:23:35.969
So if you say apples or oranges
03:23:37.317 --> 03:23:39.836
you put the or between apples and oranges.
03:23:39.836 --> 03:23:42.967
If you say apples, oranges or bananas
03:23:42.967 --> 03:23:46.401
you move the or to after oranges.
03:23:46.951 --> 03:23:49.051
But they're all three alternatives.
03:23:49.051 --> 03:23:51.969
Now that's just my understanding of grammar.
03:23:54.118 --> 03:23:55.551
Do you have a degree in grammar?
03:23:55.551 --> 03:23:56.918
I do not.
03:23:59.558 --> 03:24:01.224
Unqualified.
03:24:02.424 --> 03:24:04.985
Should that still make you uncomfortable
03:24:04.985 --> 03:24:07.953
you can restore the or after one
03:24:07.953 --> 03:24:12.368
and maintain the additional or after two
03:24:12.368 --> 03:24:13.418
and it will still be,
03:24:13.418 --> 03:24:14.951
it will still work.
03:24:14.951 --> 03:24:16.767
So it will be apples, oranges and pairs
03:24:16.767 --> 03:24:17.986
at that point.
03:24:17.986 --> 03:24:19.917
My point is
03:24:19.917 --> 03:24:22.018
in just reading it you read number one
03:24:22.018 --> 03:24:25.235
and it says a qualified person shall
03:24:25.651 --> 03:24:27.636
hold an educators certification
03:24:27.636 --> 03:24:29.085
and then without the or
03:24:29.085 --> 03:24:31.769
it jumps to hold a bachelaurete degree.
03:24:31.769 --> 03:24:35.401
So in my mind I automatically insert and,
03:24:35.851 --> 03:24:37.185
because it's,
03:24:37.185 --> 03:24:38.184
both are a requirement.
03:24:38.184 --> 03:24:40.284
Not either could be a requirement
03:24:40.284 --> 03:24:41.552
both are a requirement
03:24:41.552 --> 03:24:42.151
without the or.
03:24:42.151 --> 03:24:43.485
That's not the way it's understood though.
03:24:43.485 --> 03:24:45.600
Okay, clarification.
03:24:45.918 --> 03:24:47.584
That's right
03:24:47.584 --> 03:24:48.518
and that's,
03:24:48.518 --> 03:24:50.551
if you look at your rules in general
03:24:50.551 --> 03:24:53.984
as opposed to putting and, and, and
03:24:53.984 --> 03:24:55.884
in a list or, or, or, or
03:24:55.884 --> 03:24:58.017
we typically just do it at the very end,
03:24:58.017 --> 03:24:59.618
so it's generally understood.
03:25:01.798 --> 03:25:03.318
I still like his amendment.
03:25:03.318 --> 03:25:06.268
So yes Ms Perez.
03:25:07.419 --> 03:25:08.517
Thank you Madam Chair
03:25:08.517 --> 03:25:09.952
again I just want to repeat that
03:25:09.952 --> 03:25:14.952
I stand in opposition to the second amendment
03:25:15.319 --> 03:25:18.484
being proposed because again just wanna remind us
03:25:18.484 --> 03:25:20.085
experience,
03:25:20.085 --> 03:25:22.484
the use of the word experience, expertise and knowledgeable
03:25:22.484 --> 03:25:24.752
are again all subjective.
03:25:24.752 --> 03:25:26.851
So we find ourselves in the same situation
03:25:26.851 --> 03:25:28.601
having to define...
03:25:29.518 --> 03:25:30.818
You know whereas before we were having to define
03:25:30.818 --> 03:25:31.784
qualified,
03:25:31.784 --> 03:25:33.619
now we're going to be expected to define experience
03:25:33.619 --> 03:25:36.184
expertise and knowledgeable.
03:25:36.184 --> 03:25:38.651
So I think that this cloudy is what we've
03:25:38.651 --> 03:25:40.252
been trying to do from the very beginning.
03:25:41.467 --> 03:25:44.002
Okay any further debate on that?
03:25:44.417 --> 03:25:47.036
Okay so if I'm understanding this right,
03:25:47.036 --> 03:25:48.318
he is,
03:25:48.318 --> 03:25:50.410
because hers was an and
03:25:50.410 --> 03:25:52.134
see that's what's confusing to me.
03:25:52.134 --> 03:25:55.169
So wouldn't his amendment need to be
03:25:55.169 --> 03:25:57.834
that you're striking the--
03:25:57.834 --> 03:25:58.584
So Madam Chair,
03:25:58.584 --> 03:26:03.336
if you look at subsection one the and is there
03:26:05.184 --> 03:26:07.784
and it is contained within subsection one.
03:26:07.784 --> 03:26:08.218
So subsection one--
03:26:08.218 --> 03:26:10.118
Oh I see (crosstalk).
03:26:10.118 --> 03:26:12.401
I've got it okay.
03:26:13.918 --> 03:26:15.802
I see.
03:26:16.752 --> 03:26:19.067
Anymore debate on the amendment to the amendment?
03:26:20.584 --> 03:26:22.085
All those in favor of subsection,
03:26:22.085 --> 03:26:25.651
inserting number three,
03:26:25.651 --> 03:26:27.218
through work or life experience
03:26:27.218 --> 03:26:29.318
have gained a level of expertise so as to
03:26:29.318 --> 03:26:30.352
render the person knowledgeable
03:26:30.352 --> 03:26:32.718
in the content area being reviewed.
03:26:32.718 --> 03:26:35.284
All those in favor of this amendment
03:26:35.284 --> 03:26:37.484
raise your hand.
03:26:46.084 --> 03:26:47.534
All those opposed to the amendment.
03:26:54.727 --> 03:26:56.402
It's six to eight.
03:26:56.952 --> 03:26:59.202
Okay so the amendment fails.
03:26:59.786 --> 03:27:02.201
Now we're back to the original,
03:27:04.284 --> 03:27:06.100
which is at the top.
03:27:06.651 --> 03:27:07.418
Madam Chair.
03:27:07.418 --> 03:27:08.817
Yes Mr Rowley.
03:27:08.817 --> 03:27:11.153
Speaking to the unamended amendment
03:27:11.153 --> 03:27:15.767
I rise in opposition to it because
03:27:16.684 --> 03:27:19.552
I think it excludes a great number of people
03:27:19.552 --> 03:27:21.884
who through life experience and otherwise
03:27:21.884 --> 03:27:25.351
whether it's definitive or not
03:27:25.351 --> 03:27:28.351
have gained a level of content knowledge
03:27:28.351 --> 03:27:31.585
so that they would be useful in being
03:27:31.585 --> 03:27:33.519
a part of our review panels
03:27:33.519 --> 03:27:36.767
and would certainly qualify in that respect.
03:27:37.485 --> 03:27:40.801
I am concerned that this amendment
03:27:41.586 --> 03:27:44.751
restricts the voice of those individuals
03:27:44.751 --> 03:27:48.384
who may not have served in the education arena
03:27:48.384 --> 03:27:49.685
for one thing.
03:27:49.685 --> 03:27:53.017
And secondly may not have had a level of formal
03:27:53.017 --> 03:27:56.000
education in a particular content area.
03:27:56.385 --> 03:27:58.484
I think one of the unique attributes
03:27:58.484 --> 03:28:01.684
and I consider it to be a valuable attribute
03:28:01.684 --> 03:28:04.417
of our review process,
03:28:04.417 --> 03:28:08.518
is that we allow the voices of those who are
03:28:08.518 --> 03:28:10.850
interested in the process to be heard.
03:28:10.850 --> 03:28:14.352
I think if we make this restrictive to those
03:28:14.352 --> 03:28:17.918
individuals who have only served in education
03:28:17.918 --> 03:28:21.184
or those individuals who have only had a
03:28:21.184 --> 03:28:22.752
formal education,
03:28:22.752 --> 03:28:25.286
then we're adopting more of an elitist approach
03:28:25.286 --> 03:28:27.802
than what I'm comfortable with endorsing.
03:28:28.284 --> 03:28:31.985
I also think that even if we designate those people
03:28:31.985 --> 03:28:35.485
as qualified by implication
03:28:35.485 --> 03:28:38.417
we're designating the kinds of folks
03:28:38.417 --> 03:28:40.218
I'm talking about as non qualified
03:28:40.218 --> 03:28:41.651
or unqualified.
03:28:41.651 --> 03:28:43.151
And so I object to that.
03:28:43.151 --> 03:28:45.885
I am fine with the concept perhaps
03:28:45.885 --> 03:28:50.351
of us trying to grapple with this definition.
03:28:50.351 --> 03:28:52.918
But I disagree with the definition
03:28:52.918 --> 03:28:55.052
that's being proposed here.
03:28:55.052 --> 03:28:57.934
Yes Dr Dominguez.
03:29:00.151 --> 03:29:04.234
Thank you I am for this definition
03:29:04.785 --> 03:29:08.651
and I thought that I heard Monica
03:29:08.651 --> 03:29:12.785
explain to us this is not going to
03:29:12.785 --> 03:29:15.618
exclude,
03:29:15.618 --> 03:29:18.452
but rather just help them guide,
03:29:18.452 --> 03:29:22.768
so other folks are not going to be excluded,
03:29:23.151 --> 03:29:24.885
Did I understand correctly Monica?
03:29:24.885 --> 03:29:26.984
Yes ma'am that's correct.
03:29:26.984 --> 03:29:29.302
Thank you.
03:29:30.617 --> 03:29:32.005
Yes Ms Cargill.
03:29:33.651 --> 03:29:36.767
Well in rereading section C on page seven
03:29:37.652 --> 03:29:40.918
I think everything that's in number one and two
03:29:40.918 --> 03:29:42.454
is already covered,
03:29:42.454 --> 03:29:44.018
because it says,
03:29:44.018 --> 03:29:46.285
and Mr Cortez read part of this earlier I think,
03:29:46.285 --> 03:29:49.519
ensure participation by academic experts
03:29:49.519 --> 03:29:52.684
in each subject area for which the instructional
03:29:52.684 --> 03:29:54.118
materials are being considered.
03:29:54.118 --> 03:29:56.119
Giving priority to content
03:29:56.119 --> 03:29:57.951
relevant educators and professors.
03:29:57.951 --> 03:30:02.934
I mean to be an educator you have to be certified
03:30:03.452 --> 03:30:04.785
to have a degree in education,
03:30:04.785 --> 03:30:05.852
that's what I,
03:30:05.852 --> 03:30:07.318
and certainly for a professor as well.
03:30:07.318 --> 03:30:12.001
So I guess the only difference is that we don't
03:30:12.484 --> 03:30:14.718
have the (inaudible)
03:30:14.718 --> 03:30:16.017
in at least three of the last 10 years
03:30:16.017 --> 03:30:18.485
but I don't want to risk our retired teachers
03:30:18.485 --> 03:30:20.218
not applying for a panel.
03:30:20.218 --> 03:30:23.284
So I think what's in one and two is already
03:30:23.284 --> 03:30:26.885
covered because we have content relevant
03:30:26.885 --> 03:30:28.967
educators and professors.
03:30:29.819 --> 03:30:31.667
So that's what I wanted to point out.
03:30:34.218 --> 03:30:36.235
Mr Cortez.
03:30:38.351 --> 03:30:39.385
Yeah thank you Madam Chair
03:30:39.385 --> 03:30:43.651
You know again I'll make the same point I made earlier
03:30:43.651 --> 03:30:45.952
I would stand in support of the amendment.
03:30:45.952 --> 03:30:49.985
It's very clear that we still have authority on
03:30:49.985 --> 03:30:54.584
or preference on the appointments
03:30:54.584 --> 03:30:58.684
and that they should include parents and business
03:30:58.684 --> 03:31:00.551
and industry representatives
03:31:00.551 --> 03:31:03.185
and so we still have that latitude.
03:31:03.185 --> 03:31:06.384
And so by just broadening the definition
03:31:09.794 --> 03:31:13.068
a parent can be a retired educator
03:31:13.953 --> 03:31:16.867
and so we're not giving exclusion to anybody
03:31:16.867 --> 03:31:18.652
it seems like we're just broadening
03:31:18.652 --> 03:31:19.918
the definition.
03:31:22.217 --> 03:31:24.667
And if you all feel that it needs to be
03:31:24.667 --> 03:31:25.852
cleaned up a little bit more,
03:31:25.852 --> 03:31:27.484
well then we come back and do it at second reading.
03:31:27.484 --> 03:31:30.918
But I think for purposes of putting this conversation down
03:31:30.918 --> 03:31:33.068
I think we should just support and move on.
03:31:36.053 --> 03:31:36.985
Mr Mercer.
03:31:36.985 --> 03:31:39.319
Thank you Madam Chairman,
03:31:39.319 --> 03:31:41.085
first of all (inaudible)
03:31:41.085 --> 03:31:41.651
there will be a record vote,
03:31:41.651 --> 03:31:42.753
I'll request a record vote,
03:31:42.753 --> 03:31:44.385
but if it had been
03:31:44.385 --> 03:31:47.086
we were defining instead of qualified individual
03:31:47.086 --> 03:31:49.151
we said an educator,
03:31:49.151 --> 03:31:50.151
and I would
03:31:50.151 --> 03:31:51.750
like to define is an educator being
03:31:51.750 --> 03:31:54.717
certified, taught at least three years, have a degree
03:31:54.717 --> 03:31:57.418
I wouldn't mind that saying an educator shall be,
03:31:57.418 --> 03:32:00.051
but I'll tell you my real problem
03:32:00.051 --> 03:32:01.784
with those who haven't been here is that we have
03:32:01.784 --> 03:32:03.951
15 people and I don't want the right
03:32:03.951 --> 03:32:05.884
to override Mr Cortez or Ms Miller
03:32:05.884 --> 03:32:06.919
or anybody else,
03:32:06.919 --> 03:32:08.884
or anybody else to say hey this person's qualified.
03:32:08.884 --> 03:32:11.451
We have 15 people from every region
03:32:11.451 --> 03:32:13.089
every diversity you could imagine
03:32:13.089 --> 03:32:14.984
in terms of values and culture
03:32:14.984 --> 03:32:17.451
and appoint our people
03:32:17.451 --> 03:32:20.134
and I don't think Ken (inaudible)
03:32:20.134 --> 03:32:23.634
to say your person's unqualified or commissions say that.
03:32:23.634 --> 03:32:26.519
I respect the 15 people here.
03:32:26.519 --> 03:32:28.119
Each elected person is
03:32:28.119 --> 03:32:29.351
and I think you had that right
03:32:29.351 --> 03:32:32.034
and I'm afraid this would take away that right.
03:32:32.034 --> 03:32:34.351
So I rise in opposition to the amendment
03:32:34.351 --> 03:32:35.986
and I will request a record vote.
03:32:35.986 --> 03:32:38.569
Thank you.
03:32:38.752 --> 03:32:40.184
Yes Ms Beltran.
03:32:40.184 --> 03:32:41.684
Thank you Madam Chair,
03:32:41.684 --> 03:32:42.717
I just,
03:32:42.717 --> 03:32:45.569
you probably won't be surprised by this
03:32:45.569 --> 03:32:47.801
but I support this amendment.
03:32:48.520 --> 03:32:49.551
This is,
03:32:49.551 --> 03:32:52.318
again I just wanna make clear that I feel
03:32:52.318 --> 03:32:54.517
like this conversation is getting convoluted
03:32:54.517 --> 03:32:58.001
this is not an attempt to usurp
03:32:58.485 --> 03:32:59.352
anyones,
03:32:59.352 --> 03:33:01.418
anyone of our authority to nominate
03:33:01.418 --> 03:33:03.718
anyone that we so desire.
03:33:03.718 --> 03:33:05.684
The attempt here,
03:33:05.684 --> 03:33:07.618
you know the other,
03:33:07.618 --> 03:33:09.061
I guess two things to mention,
03:33:09.061 --> 03:33:09.435
I think,
03:33:09.435 --> 03:33:12.420
I assume TEA has a definition of what an educator is.
03:33:12.420 --> 03:33:16.371
I don't know that we need to define educator.
03:33:16.371 --> 03:33:19.134
I don't think that's the conversation we're having here
03:33:19.134 --> 03:33:22.069
the definition that I'm attempting to clarify again is what
03:33:22.069 --> 03:33:23.718
who a qualified individual is.
03:33:23.718 --> 03:33:25.118
I would also,
03:33:25.118 --> 03:33:27.801
to my colleague Mr Rowley
03:33:27.801 --> 03:33:29.518
I appreciate your sentiment
03:33:29.518 --> 03:33:30.784
and I agree
03:33:30.784 --> 03:33:33.818
we should a variety of perspectives
03:33:33.818 --> 03:33:35.551
we should have parents and we should have
03:33:35.551 --> 03:33:36.599
business leaders,
03:33:36.599 --> 03:33:37.951
that's not the intent of this,
03:33:37.951 --> 03:33:39.484
the intent of this again is not to exclude
03:33:39.484 --> 03:33:43.018
those but to say let's be frank
03:33:43.018 --> 03:33:44.384
who's gonna know the most
03:33:44.384 --> 03:33:48.201
about the content of our State standards
03:33:48.201 --> 03:33:49.719
and the content and subject matter
03:33:49.719 --> 03:33:51.584
than people who are working in the classroom
03:33:51.584 --> 03:33:53.151
or people who have those degrees.
03:33:53.151 --> 03:33:55.151
And you know
03:33:55.151 --> 03:33:59.151
if the perception is that this is an approach
03:33:59.151 --> 03:34:01.220
to make it an elite process,
03:34:01.220 --> 03:34:02.352
I would argue.
03:34:02.352 --> 03:34:03.720
I've been in the classroom
03:34:03.720 --> 03:34:05.622
a lot of my friends are teachers.
03:34:05.622 --> 03:34:06.870
Teachers are not perceived
03:34:06.870 --> 03:34:08.501
as an elite
03:34:08.501 --> 03:34:10.702
component of our society.
03:34:10.702 --> 03:34:11.986
In fact I think it's quite,
03:34:11.986 --> 03:34:13.518
unfortunately for better,
03:34:13.518 --> 03:34:16.084
or worse, the opposite.
03:34:16.084 --> 03:34:18.052
So you know just to that point.
03:34:18.052 --> 03:34:19.085
This isn't
03:34:19.085 --> 03:34:21.218
I don't want Members to feel threatened
03:34:21.218 --> 03:34:22.118
by this.
03:34:22.118 --> 03:34:23.584
This is a really,
03:34:23.584 --> 03:34:25.651
you know the pure intention here
03:34:25.651 --> 03:34:28.235
is to make sure that the quality of our
03:34:28.235 --> 03:34:28.917
review panel,
03:34:28.917 --> 03:34:31.017
that those individuals on those review panels
03:34:31.017 --> 03:34:32.851
know the content.
03:34:32.851 --> 03:34:36.969
At the end of the day the textbooks are of high quality
03:34:37.185 --> 03:34:39.084
because we are responsible for educating
03:34:39.084 --> 03:34:42.167
millions and millions of kids across the State.
03:34:44.618 --> 03:34:46.084
I do have a question
03:34:46.084 --> 03:34:50.151
so in changing that to an and from an or
03:34:50.151 --> 03:34:52.217
on the number one, D1
03:34:52.217 --> 03:34:55.319
I guess I was a little confused because if I,
03:34:55.319 --> 03:34:57.018
if I'm a math,
03:34:57.018 --> 03:34:59.385
if I have a certification in math
03:34:59.385 --> 03:35:04.269
but I've been teaching science for the last 10 years
03:35:05.349 --> 03:35:07.217
because that's just what was needed
03:35:07.217 --> 03:35:08.436
and that's where I've been
03:35:08.436 --> 03:35:09.484
and I've developed an expertise
03:35:09.484 --> 03:35:10.885
and that sort of thing
03:35:10.885 --> 03:35:12.918
and have been assigned to teach,
03:35:12.918 --> 03:35:15.551
you know with the and,
03:35:15.551 --> 03:35:17.318
I don't see how that person
03:35:19.288 --> 03:35:21.268
qualifies because now number two
03:35:21.584 --> 03:35:24.051
drops down to you have hold bachelaurete in
03:35:24.051 --> 03:35:27.002
that content area so again I wouldn't qualify there.
03:35:27.619 --> 03:35:29.318
I guess I was trying to understand why the and
03:35:29.318 --> 03:35:32.284
has to be there instead of the or on that one.
03:35:32.284 --> 03:35:35.151
Sure so again the intent is to set a priority,
03:35:35.151 --> 03:35:36.651
let's set the bar,
03:35:36.651 --> 03:35:38.485
a lot like how we talk about our State standards
03:35:38.485 --> 03:35:40.518
we want our kids to live up to high standards
03:35:40.518 --> 03:35:41.584
we want high rigor,
03:35:41.584 --> 03:35:42.784
we want high expectations.
03:35:42.784 --> 03:35:45.485
So this language is to set those expectations
03:35:45.485 --> 03:35:48.835
and set them at the highest level that we potentially can.
03:35:49.185 --> 03:35:52.084
All right so combining someone who has a certification
03:35:52.084 --> 03:35:53.518
and a teaching experience,
03:35:53.518 --> 03:35:55.318
I'm describing the ideal candidate.
03:35:56.751 --> 03:36:00.168
To prioritize the ideal candidate to review,
03:36:01.485 --> 03:36:04.185
to define the qualified individual
03:36:04.185 --> 03:36:06.535
would have those two.
03:36:07.219 --> 03:36:08.152
Does that answer your question?
03:36:08.152 --> 03:36:09.284
Yeah that answers my question,
03:36:09.284 --> 03:36:11.084
but you know I guess someone who's been
03:36:11.084 --> 03:36:14.184
a practitioner for the last 10 years in that subject
03:36:14.184 --> 03:36:15.651
and just because they don't have that
03:36:15.651 --> 03:36:17.752
particular certification I don't see how
03:36:17.752 --> 03:36:19.251
they're not a qualified individual.
03:36:19.251 --> 03:36:21.652
I can see a preferred individual,
03:36:21.652 --> 03:36:24.251
you know as maybe a way to describing that
03:36:24.251 --> 03:36:26.501
but not a qualified individual.
03:36:26.684 --> 03:36:28.818
So that's why I'm just struggling with that
03:36:28.818 --> 03:36:30.851
differentiation to me.
03:36:30.851 --> 03:36:32.452
Because that happens a lot of times in schools,
03:36:32.452 --> 03:36:33.872
is that you end up,
03:36:33.872 --> 03:36:35.584
people have a certain certification
03:36:35.584 --> 03:36:37.618
they end up teaching in a whole different area,
03:36:37.618 --> 03:36:39.818
that they become quite good at,
03:36:39.818 --> 03:36:41.884
because they've been working at it for many years
03:36:41.884 --> 03:36:42.984
and so,
03:36:42.984 --> 03:36:44.851
anyway I don't know.
03:36:44.851 --> 03:36:45.986
Ms Cargill.
03:36:45.986 --> 03:36:47.851
That's what bothers me too,
03:36:47.851 --> 03:36:51.050
is that we're labeling the people that we nominate
03:36:51.050 --> 03:36:52.284
who are educators
03:36:52.284 --> 03:36:53.984
and of course you know how I feel about educators
03:36:53.984 --> 03:36:55.684
being one myself too,
03:36:55.684 --> 03:36:57.617
but the other people we nominate
03:36:57.617 --> 03:37:02.617
the parents and maybe industry professionals ect.
03:37:02.785 --> 03:37:05.084
So they're not gonna get that
03:37:05.084 --> 03:37:08.703
(inaudible) qualified in front of their names.
03:37:08.703 --> 03:37:09.817
So that's where I'm struggling.
03:37:09.817 --> 03:37:12.751
Now Mr Mercer did bring up if we use your
03:37:12.751 --> 03:37:14.518
description to define what an educator is,
03:37:14.518 --> 03:37:15.917
I'll be more open to that.
03:37:15.917 --> 03:37:17.386
Maybe in January,
03:37:17.386 --> 03:37:20.101
but it's just that we're,
03:37:20.101 --> 03:37:21.719
the word qualified,
03:37:21.719 --> 03:37:23.984
so some of my panel members that I nominate
03:37:23.984 --> 03:37:25.718
will be qualified and the rest won't.
03:37:25.718 --> 03:37:29.168
But like I told you I do understand what you're saying
03:37:29.418 --> 03:37:32.434
but that's how it will pan out.
03:37:33.019 --> 03:37:33.951
It really will.
03:37:33.951 --> 03:37:35.951
I feel like we owe it to the students of our State
03:37:35.951 --> 03:37:38.218
I feel like we owe it to our constituents
03:37:38.218 --> 03:37:39.820
to have qualified people on our review panel.
03:37:41.690 --> 03:37:43.834
Okay Mr Ratliff.
03:37:48.552 --> 03:37:50.552
In listening to the debate and reading the language
03:37:50.552 --> 03:37:53.968
I think this whole paragraph needs to be reworked.
03:37:55.018 --> 03:37:58.184
And here's why I think that,
03:37:58.184 --> 03:38:00.684
I think the intent of this body would be that our nominees
03:38:00.684 --> 03:38:02.884
are given priority over other nominees,
03:38:02.884 --> 03:38:05.018
the way it's worded
03:38:05.018 --> 03:38:07.151
and this thing's been bubble gummed
03:38:07.151 --> 03:38:08.918
and (inaudible) wired over the years
03:38:08.918 --> 03:38:10.784
and I think it's time for just a rewrite of this paragraph
03:38:10.784 --> 03:38:12.653
because if our intent is
03:38:12.653 --> 03:38:15.018
if I nominate a business person or a parent
03:38:15.018 --> 03:38:17.318
then I would like for them to be given priority
03:38:17.318 --> 03:38:19.984
over other business nominees
03:38:19.984 --> 03:38:22.534
or parental nominees that maybe from my district.
03:38:23.252 --> 03:38:25.452
Remember this only applies to people from your district.
03:38:25.452 --> 03:38:26.719
So I think we need to,
03:38:26.719 --> 03:38:28.384
and I'm happy to work with
03:38:28.384 --> 03:38:30.784
less than a quorum of members
03:38:30.784 --> 03:38:32.752
between now and second reading,
03:38:32.752 --> 03:38:35.184
to say we want our nominees prioritized
03:38:35.184 --> 03:38:37.718
for whatever category they're being nominated for.
03:38:37.718 --> 03:38:39.884
And then to dove tail off
03:38:39.884 --> 03:38:41.618
one of my other colleagues comments
03:38:41.618 --> 03:38:44.452
about what do those different categories mean.
03:38:44.452 --> 03:38:46.184
What does business person mean?
03:38:46.184 --> 03:38:47.317
What does educator mean?
03:38:47.317 --> 03:38:51.084
Or whatever else and I think a more holistic
03:38:51.084 --> 03:38:53.252
approach to this concept of nominees
03:38:53.252 --> 03:38:55.993
and who gets on it is in order.
03:38:55.993 --> 03:38:58.118
I do support the raising of the bar
03:38:58.118 --> 03:39:01.086
of who gets on these because if we have
03:39:01.086 --> 03:39:02.417
millions of people to pick from we can
03:39:02.417 --> 03:39:05.084
find people that are the Peyton Manning's
03:39:05.084 --> 03:39:06.318
of their profession.
03:39:06.318 --> 03:39:07.618
Or the whatever else.
03:39:07.618 --> 03:39:10.834
Either profession or subject area
03:39:10.834 --> 03:39:11.551
or whatever else.
03:39:11.551 --> 03:39:12.918
I think we ought to set that bar
03:39:12.918 --> 03:39:14.818
and if we can't find them then we can look at
03:39:14.818 --> 03:39:16.186
other folks who may be qualified.
03:39:16.186 --> 03:39:18.551
But I think we ought to say this is the ideal
03:39:18.551 --> 03:39:21.151
and then if we can't find that then well start
03:39:21.151 --> 03:39:24.868
taking our second choice or our third choice.
03:39:25.318 --> 03:39:28.435
I do think this needs to be reworked
03:39:28.435 --> 03:39:29.535
and we can certainly do that
03:39:29.535 --> 03:39:30.851
between now and January
03:39:30.851 --> 03:39:32.218
but I do support the amendment.
03:39:34.728 --> 03:39:38.402
Okay Ms Perez I think was the next one.
03:39:38.884 --> 03:39:39.418
Thank you Madam Chair,
03:39:39.418 --> 03:39:41.901
I'd like to call the question.
03:39:43.550 --> 03:39:45.970
Any objection?
03:39:48.451 --> 03:39:49.551
Hearing no objection,
03:39:51.851 --> 03:39:54.234
we are going to insert a new,
03:39:54.684 --> 03:39:56.084
the amendment before us
03:39:56.084 --> 03:39:57.618
is to insert a new subsection D
03:39:57.618 --> 03:40:01.035
in proposed 19 TAC 66.30
03:40:01.035 --> 03:40:03.052
that reads as follows.
03:40:03.052 --> 03:40:05.351
D a qualified individual for purposes
03:40:05.351 --> 03:40:07.953
of subsection C shall number one
03:40:07.953 --> 03:40:10.884
hold an educator certification to teach content
03:40:10.884 --> 03:40:14.118
being reviewed and have been assigned
03:40:14.118 --> 03:40:16.217
to teach that content in at least three
03:40:16.217 --> 03:40:17.854
of the last 10 years.
03:40:17.854 --> 03:40:21.284
Or number two hold at least a bachelaurete degree
03:40:21.284 --> 03:40:24.335
in the content area covered by the material being reviewed.
03:40:25.586 --> 03:40:27.834
All those in favor of the amendment--
03:40:28.318 --> 03:40:29.719
I called for a record vote.
03:40:29.719 --> 03:40:30.652
Oh record vote.
03:40:30.652 --> 03:40:32.152
Oh that's right.
03:40:32.152 --> 03:40:34.903
(inaudible)
03:40:35.984 --> 03:40:37.452
Yeah why don't we do that?
03:40:37.452 --> 03:40:38.484
Can we just raise our hands or...?
03:40:38.484 --> 03:40:39.352
You didn't want a role call vote
03:40:39.352 --> 03:40:41.384
you wanted a record, just a record vote.
03:40:41.384 --> 03:40:42.984
Record vote.
03:40:42.984 --> 03:40:46.201
Okay all those in favor raise your hand.
03:41:05.351 --> 03:41:06.653
Do you have it?
03:41:06.653 --> 03:41:07.685
It's six.
03:41:07.685 --> 03:41:09.602
All those opposed raise your hand.
03:41:21.684 --> 03:41:23.317
It's six to eight, so announce the number.
03:41:23.317 --> 03:41:27.201
Six to eight so the motion carries.
03:41:27.884 --> 03:41:28.918
(inaudible)
03:41:28.918 --> 03:41:30.801
Oh the motion is defeated sorry.
03:41:31.884 --> 03:41:34.001
You're like woo-hoo.
03:41:35.418 --> 03:41:37.317
Okay any other amendments
03:41:39.017 --> 03:41:40.901
to chapter 66?
03:41:44.251 --> 03:41:47.018
Okay it's moved to approve for first in reading
03:41:47.018 --> 03:41:50.018
and filing authorization proposed revisions to 19 TAC
03:41:50.018 --> 03:41:52.318
chapter 66 state adoption and distribution
03:41:52.318 --> 03:41:53.618
of instructional materials,
03:41:53.618 --> 03:41:54.853
sub chapter A,
03:41:54.853 --> 03:41:56.351
general provisions sub chapter B
03:41:56.351 --> 03:41:58.251
State adoption of instructional materials
03:41:58.251 --> 03:42:01.251
in sub chapter C local operations.
03:42:01.251 --> 03:42:03.736
Are you ready for the question?
03:42:05.385 --> 03:42:06.750
As amended I should say.
03:42:06.750 --> 03:42:08.601
As amended.
03:42:09.287 --> 03:42:11.151
All those in favor say Aye.
03:42:11.151 --> 03:42:12.619
Aye.
03:42:12.619 --> 03:42:14.686
All those opposed say no.
03:42:14.686 --> 03:42:15.750
The ayes have it,
03:42:15.750 --> 03:42:19.484
and proposed revisions will be adopted.
03:42:19.484 --> 03:42:21.417
Okay Madam Chair back on page 12
03:42:21.417 --> 03:42:23.084
in the committee of the full board minutes
03:42:23.084 --> 03:42:25.368
at the bottom of the page.
03:42:26.151 --> 03:42:27.319
I move that the State Board of Education
03:42:27.319 --> 03:42:29.018
approve for first reading and filling authorization
03:42:29.018 --> 03:42:31.851
proposed amendments to 19 TAC chapter 74
03:42:31.851 --> 03:42:33.484
curriculum requirement,
03:42:33.484 --> 03:42:34.418
sub chapter B
03:42:34.418 --> 03:42:37.544
graduation requirements as amended.
03:42:38.594 --> 03:42:40.701
It's moved to approve for first reading
03:42:40.701 --> 03:42:42.119
and filing authorization proposed amendments
03:42:42.119 --> 03:42:44.984
to 19 TAC chapter 74 curriculum requirements
03:42:44.984 --> 03:42:47.384
sub chapter B graduation requirements.
03:42:47.384 --> 03:42:49.267
Are you ready for the question?
03:42:49.784 --> 03:42:51.217
All those in favor say aye?
03:42:51.217 --> 03:42:52.085
Aye.
03:42:52.085 --> 03:42:53.652
All those opposed say no.
03:42:53.652 --> 03:42:54.620
The ayes have it.
03:42:54.620 --> 03:42:56.185
Okay the last one on page 13
03:42:56.185 --> 03:42:57.771
of your committee of full board minutes.
03:42:57.771 --> 03:42:59.417
Towards the top of the page item seven.
03:42:59.417 --> 03:43:01.462
I move that the State Board of Education
03:43:01.462 --> 03:43:03.284
approve for first reading and filing authorization
03:43:03.284 --> 03:43:05.719
proposed new 19 TAC chapter 113
03:43:05.719 --> 03:43:07.036
Texas essential knowledge and skills
03:43:07.036 --> 03:43:08.917
for social studies sub chapter C high school
03:43:08.917 --> 03:43:12.118
section 113.49 personal financial literacy
03:43:12.118 --> 03:43:14.551
one half credit adopted in 2016
03:43:14.551 --> 03:43:16.319
including changes recommended by the
03:43:16.319 --> 03:43:18.135
course development committee.
03:43:21.220 --> 03:43:22.525
It's moved to approve for first reading
03:43:22.525 --> 03:43:23.919
and filing authorization
03:43:23.919 --> 03:43:26.051
propose new 19 TAC chapter 113
03:43:26.051 --> 03:43:28.085
Texas essential knowledge and skills
03:43:28.085 --> 03:43:30.951
for social studies sub chapter C
03:43:30.951 --> 03:43:35.284
high school 113.49 personal financial literacy
03:43:35.284 --> 03:43:38.351
one half credit adopted 2016 including change
03:43:38.351 --> 03:43:41.601
recommended by the course development committee.
03:43:42.853 --> 03:43:43.717
Madam chair.
03:43:43.717 --> 03:43:43.967
Yes.
03:43:43.967 --> 03:43:44.685
I have an amendment.
03:43:44.685 --> 03:43:44.935
Yes.
03:43:44.935 --> 03:43:47.367
I'd like to make,
03:43:47.367 --> 03:43:51.069
I'm gonna insert two sentences in two different sections.
03:43:51.069 --> 03:43:53.467
Hopefully I can make it one amendment.
03:43:55.451 --> 03:43:57.935
Have you passed that out?
03:43:57.935 --> 03:43:59.217
I gave it to you.
03:43:59.217 --> 03:44:02.202
I don't think we distributed it, no.
03:44:02.752 --> 03:44:03.784
It's fairly simple,
03:44:03.784 --> 03:44:06.168
let's see if the membership will tolerate it.
03:44:06.168 --> 03:44:07.951
I wanna make sure I've got that.
03:44:07.951 --> 03:44:10.558
I'm under a title of knowledge and skills
03:44:10.558 --> 03:44:13.719
in the financial literacy TEACS I inserted a
03:44:13.719 --> 03:44:15.984
new line under earning and spending
03:44:15.984 --> 03:44:17.818
where the student understands how to set
03:44:17.818 --> 03:44:19.851
personal financial goals.
03:44:19.851 --> 03:44:22.917
Under that title I've inserted what we're gonna call C
03:44:22.917 --> 03:44:24.567
and here's the language.
03:44:25.118 --> 03:44:27.285
Demonstrate an understanding of the value
03:44:27.285 --> 03:44:29.635
and benefits of charitable giving.
03:44:30.518 --> 03:44:32.117
Mr Bradley could you point us
03:44:32.117 --> 03:44:33.818
to the area in your book,
03:44:33.818 --> 03:44:35.201
I just wanna make sure Members
03:44:35.201 --> 03:44:36.319
know exactly...
03:44:36.319 --> 03:44:38.734
Do you know where this is?
03:44:40.017 --> 03:44:41.484
Monica do you know where it is?
03:44:41.484 --> 03:44:43.017
I just want to make sure that Members can
03:44:43.017 --> 03:44:44.618
look in their book and see exactly where this
03:44:44.618 --> 03:44:46.085
is gonna be inserted.
03:44:46.085 --> 03:44:49.302
Roman numeral 1-96 I believe.
03:44:50.885 --> 03:44:52.218
1-96.
03:44:52.218 --> 03:44:54.317
The first one,
03:44:54.317 --> 03:44:57.518
so C1 where it says knowledge and skills,
03:44:57.518 --> 03:45:02.167
I believe that there would be an addition there.
03:45:02.732 --> 03:45:04.468
Is that correct?
03:45:04.468 --> 03:45:04.951
It would be a new C.
03:45:04.951 --> 03:45:06.552
Yes so C1
03:45:06.552 --> 03:45:09.617
so it says earning and spending,
03:45:09.617 --> 03:45:11.184
a student understands how to set
03:45:11.184 --> 03:45:12.884
personal financial goals.
03:45:12.884 --> 03:45:14.818
a student is expected to,
03:45:14.818 --> 03:45:17.384
and this would be a new C and the current
03:45:17.384 --> 03:45:19.634
C would be bumped down to D.
03:45:20.420 --> 03:45:21.751
And that new C will be,
03:45:21.751 --> 03:45:24.517
demonstrate and understanding of the value
03:45:24.517 --> 03:45:28.002
and benefits of charitable giving and...
03:45:30.453 --> 03:45:31.452
Do I have a second?
03:45:31.452 --> 03:45:31.702
Second.
03:45:31.702 --> 03:45:34.020
Any discussion?
03:45:34.020 --> 03:45:35.417
Would you like to speak Mr Bradley?
03:45:35.417 --> 03:45:40.417
This is identical to what we did prior
03:45:40.617 --> 03:45:43.651
in financial literacy.
03:45:45.921 --> 03:45:47.203
Yes Ms Hardy.
03:45:47.203 --> 03:45:48.985
I just need to ask the maker of the motion
03:45:48.985 --> 03:45:50.284
if that,
03:45:50.284 --> 03:45:51.418
you know the material I sent you
03:45:51.418 --> 03:45:52.820
from someone that was on the committee
03:45:52.820 --> 03:45:55.251
and this is the exact location that she wanted
03:45:55.251 --> 03:45:56.518
you to put it so thank you.
03:45:56.518 --> 03:45:59.067
And I appreciate you getting those comments.
03:46:01.712 --> 03:46:03.510
Any other discussion?
03:46:03.510 --> 03:46:06.401
All those in favor of amending
03:46:06.401 --> 03:46:09.505
what was the first part
03:46:09.505 --> 03:46:11.968
19 TAC 13...
03:46:15.019 --> 03:46:16.517
add a new C
03:46:16.517 --> 03:46:19.451
1C demonstrate an understanding of the
03:46:19.451 --> 03:46:21.701
value and benefits of charitable giving and...
03:46:22.518 --> 03:46:23.651
All those in favor say aye.
03:46:23.651 --> 03:46:23.901
Aye.
03:46:23.901 --> 03:46:25.819
All those opposed say no.
03:46:25.819 --> 03:46:26.767
Mr Bradley you have another one?
03:46:26.767 --> 03:46:28.285
Madam Chair on the next page
03:46:28.285 --> 03:46:31.937
at the top of that page--
03:46:31.937 --> 03:46:34.601
Again Ms Martinez can you tell us
03:46:34.601 --> 03:46:36.234
what page that is in our agenda book.
03:46:36.234 --> 03:46:37.802
I just wanna make sure we're looking at the right...
03:46:37.802 --> 03:46:42.101
So Roman numeral 1-975
03:46:45.051 --> 03:46:46.051
Saving and investing,
03:46:46.051 --> 03:46:47.451
the student understands the importance
03:46:47.451 --> 03:46:48.418
of saving and investing and creating
03:46:48.418 --> 03:46:51.087
wealth and building assets.
03:46:51.617 --> 03:46:54.468
So it's at the very top of Roman numeral 1-97.
03:46:55.953 --> 03:46:57.051
Does everybody see that?
03:46:57.051 --> 03:46:58.834
Okay.
03:46:59.418 --> 03:47:00.384
Okay make your,
03:47:00.384 --> 03:47:01.418
make your amendment.
03:47:01.418 --> 03:47:03.418
We will be inserting again a new C
03:47:03.418 --> 03:47:05.352
and the C will drop down to D.
03:47:05.352 --> 03:47:08.619
The language will be explain the tax benefits
03:47:08.619 --> 03:47:11.801
of charitable contributions and...
03:47:12.651 --> 03:47:13.382
Do I have a second?
03:47:13.382 --> 03:47:14.785
Second.
03:47:14.785 --> 03:47:16.351
Any discussion?
03:47:16.351 --> 03:47:18.751
All those in favor of the amendment say aye.
03:47:18.751 --> 03:47:20.234
Aye.
03:47:20.234 --> 03:47:21.451
All those opposed.
03:47:21.451 --> 03:47:22.184
Ayes have it.
03:47:22.184 --> 03:47:24.468
Thank you Madam Chair.
03:47:25.152 --> 03:47:27.520
Okay we're back to the main motion,
03:47:27.520 --> 03:47:29.418
any other amendments?
03:47:31.158 --> 03:47:33.651
It's moved to approve for
03:47:33.651 --> 03:47:35.884
first reading and filing authorization proposed new
03:47:35.884 --> 03:47:39.318
19 TAC chapter 113 Texas essential knowledge and skills
03:47:39.318 --> 03:47:42.934
for social studies sub chapter C high school 113.49
03:47:45.684 --> 03:47:49.118
personal financial literacy one half credit adopted 2016
03:47:49.118 --> 03:47:51.285
including the change recommended by the
03:47:51.285 --> 03:47:54.052
course development committee as amended.
03:47:54.052 --> 03:47:55.585
All those in favor say aye.
03:47:55.585 --> 03:47:56.484
Aye.
03:47:56.484 --> 03:47:58.184
All those opposed say no.
03:47:58.184 --> 03:48:00.434
Ayes have it.
03:48:04.823 --> 03:48:06.318
That's it for the committee of the full board.
03:48:06.318 --> 03:48:07.819
This marks the end of the committee,
03:48:07.819 --> 03:48:10.501
report of the committee of the full board.
03:48:10.918 --> 03:48:11.851
Madam Chair.
03:48:11.851 --> 03:48:12.753
Yes I'm sorry.
03:48:12.753 --> 03:48:13.985
There's actually one more item.
03:48:13.985 --> 03:48:14.918
Oh one more.
03:48:16.648 --> 03:48:18.236
It's a different committee though right?
03:48:18.236 --> 03:48:19.685
No it's not a committee.
03:48:19.685 --> 03:48:22.084
It was an item that was postponed.
03:48:22.084 --> 03:48:23.684
Oh that's right we did postpone that item,
03:48:23.684 --> 03:48:25.917
yes you're right.
03:48:25.917 --> 03:48:27.785
On Wednesday item number eight
03:48:27.785 --> 03:48:29.451
was not taken up by the committee
03:48:29.451 --> 03:48:31.384
because we were waiting on a handout from the
03:48:31.384 --> 03:48:33.184
staff.
03:48:33.184 --> 03:48:35.217
And since we're posted for that item
03:48:35.217 --> 03:48:37.767
today staff will present it at this time.
03:48:38.484 --> 03:48:39.251
(inaudible)
03:48:39.251 --> 03:48:41.051
This was from the committee of the full board.
03:48:42.511 --> 03:48:44.011
It was an action item.
03:48:44.821 --> 03:48:45.518
This is first reading
03:48:45.518 --> 03:48:46.985
and filing authorization.
03:48:49.785 --> 03:48:53.501
It got postponed because the handout wasn't quite ready.
03:48:54.352 --> 03:48:56.601
Yours is the college and--
03:48:56.918 --> 03:48:58.885
Yes ma'am, so you all will recall
03:48:58.885 --> 03:49:00.684
that at your meeting we shared with you
03:49:00.684 --> 03:49:05.184
that House bill 16.13 from the 84th Texas legislature
03:49:05.184 --> 03:49:08.452
requires the Board to by rule adopt
03:49:08.452 --> 03:49:10.287
an alignment that shows,
03:49:10.287 --> 03:49:12.186
or a document that shows the alignment
03:49:12.186 --> 03:49:14.217
between the college career readiness standards
03:49:14.217 --> 03:49:17.251
and the Texas essential knowledge and skills.
03:49:17.251 --> 03:49:19.951
So staff has worked very diligently on that alignment
03:49:19.951 --> 03:49:22.218
and so what you see in front of you are four
03:49:22.218 --> 03:49:24.684
of the alignment charts.
03:49:24.684 --> 03:49:26.418
One for math, science,
03:49:26.418 --> 03:49:29.251
social studies and cross disciplinary.
03:49:29.251 --> 03:49:32.586
We were requested at the last meeting,
03:49:32.586 --> 03:49:35.251
it was requested that we hold off on the English until
03:49:35.251 --> 03:49:37.936
your new TEACS are adopted for that.
03:49:38.384 --> 03:49:40.936
So you'll see that we've aligned it to all
03:49:40.936 --> 03:49:44.300
of the different content areas.
03:49:46.318 --> 03:49:49.317
And this is a chart that will actually be embedded in
03:49:49.317 --> 03:49:50.451
your rules,
03:49:50.451 --> 03:49:52.786
there will be four different figures in your rules,
03:49:52.786 --> 03:49:54.918
so if people wanted to access it they would
03:49:54.918 --> 03:49:57.401
access your rules to get to these charts.
03:50:06.019 --> 03:50:06.917
Mr Maynard.
03:50:06.917 --> 03:50:09.187
Madam Chair and just again to clarify
03:50:09.187 --> 03:50:12.251
this is in response to a statutory mandate?
03:50:12.251 --> 03:50:13.668
Yes sir that's correct.
03:50:13.668 --> 03:50:16.035
Okay thank you.
03:50:19.151 --> 03:50:20.317
So Ms (inaudible)
03:50:20.317 --> 03:50:22.184
I just want to make sure I'm understanding,
03:50:22.184 --> 03:50:24.551
so this is the first time we're looking at this,
03:50:26.101 --> 03:50:29.090
this was an alignment that was done
03:50:29.090 --> 03:50:31.452
and so we're looking at this for the first time.
03:50:31.452 --> 03:50:33.585
Is this something that,
03:50:33.585 --> 03:50:35.185
I mean I don't see,
03:50:35.185 --> 03:50:36.418
this doesn't appear to be something that
03:50:36.418 --> 03:50:39.301
we would have any editing for,
03:50:39.301 --> 03:50:41.034
is what I'm trying to say.
03:50:41.318 --> 03:50:43.118
Correct so staff did this alignment,
03:50:43.118 --> 03:50:45.386
you see on the left hand side of that chart
03:50:45.386 --> 03:50:47.384
is that college and career readiness standard.
03:50:47.384 --> 03:50:49.719
And then we've indicated which of your student expectations
03:50:49.719 --> 03:50:51.352
in the TEACS align to that.
03:50:51.352 --> 03:50:54.152
You'll notice that there are a few places where we're
03:50:54.152 --> 03:50:55.518
not in perfect alignment
03:50:55.518 --> 03:50:57.552
but we'll be sharing this information
03:50:57.552 --> 03:51:00.252
as we go through your next text review
03:51:00.252 --> 03:51:02.815
meeting as appropriate.
03:51:03.951 --> 03:51:07.236
But we've identified the alignment.
03:51:07.617 --> 03:51:09.353
And that was the requirement of the legislation.
03:51:09.353 --> 03:51:10.151
That's correct.
03:51:10.151 --> 03:51:11.052
Okay.
03:51:11.052 --> 03:51:13.119
I see, so you are gonna take this through
03:51:13.119 --> 03:51:15.251
and help us with anything that we've left off
03:51:15.251 --> 03:51:17.318
or that we need for
03:51:17.318 --> 03:51:18.952
English language, arts literature
03:51:18.952 --> 03:51:20.185
and all those others?
03:51:20.185 --> 03:51:21.452
Absolutely, so we would expect
03:51:21.452 --> 03:51:24.085
when those English language arts and reading TEACS
03:51:24.085 --> 03:51:25.884
are approved that we'd bring this back to you
03:51:25.884 --> 03:51:27.284
with some updates.
03:51:27.284 --> 03:51:29.284
Okay I'm gonna need a motion from the floor
03:51:29.284 --> 03:51:31.784
since we didn't consider this item on Wednesday.
03:51:31.784 --> 03:51:35.954
If you'll look in I-102 in your note book.
03:51:36.351 --> 03:51:38.984
I-102 if someone would like to go ahead and offer that.
03:51:42.953 --> 03:51:44.968
I'm gonna need the main motion.
03:51:50.052 --> 03:51:50.934
Madam Chair.
03:51:50.934 --> 03:51:52.084
Yes.
03:51:52.084 --> 03:51:53.051
I move to approve for first reading
03:51:53.051 --> 03:51:56.018
and filing authorization propose new 19TAC
03:51:56.018 --> 03:51:58.351
chapter 74 curriculum requirements
03:51:58.351 --> 03:51:59.718
sub chapter A,
03:51:59.718 --> 03:52:03.168
required curriculum 74.6
03:52:03.168 --> 03:52:05.006
college and career readiness
03:52:05.006 --> 03:52:06.627
in Texas essential knowledge and skills alignment
03:52:06.627 --> 03:52:08.101
I'm gonna need a second.
03:52:08.101 --> 03:52:08.718
Second.
03:52:08.718 --> 03:52:10.351
Okay, thank you very much.
03:52:10.351 --> 03:52:12.618
It's moved and seconded to approve for first reading
03:52:12.618 --> 03:52:14.885
and filing authorization propose new 19TAC
03:52:14.885 --> 03:52:16.717
chapter 74 curriculum requirements
03:52:16.717 --> 03:52:17.817
sub chapter A,
03:52:17.817 --> 03:52:19.609
required curriculum 74.6
03:52:19.609 --> 03:52:20.955
college and career readiness
03:52:20.955 --> 03:52:23.153
in Texas essential knowledge and skills alignment.
03:52:23.153 --> 03:52:25.537
Anymore discussion?
03:52:25.820 --> 03:52:27.187
Are you ready for the question?
03:52:27.187 --> 03:52:28.420
Oh I'm sorry Mr Maynard
03:52:28.420 --> 03:52:30.118
I just have one question for the staff
03:52:30.118 --> 03:52:32.234
is there a large print edition?
03:52:33.819 --> 03:52:34.484
I was thinking the same thing.
03:52:34.484 --> 03:52:35.919
I was holding it out.
03:52:35.919 --> 03:52:39.017
It will be available electronically
03:52:39.017 --> 03:52:41.001
and then you can zoom.
03:52:43.817 --> 03:52:45.185
Terrific.
03:52:45.185 --> 03:52:47.118
All right all those in favor say aye.
03:52:47.118 --> 03:52:48.251
Aye.
03:52:48.251 --> 03:52:49.485
All those opposed say no.
03:52:49.485 --> 03:52:51.268
Ayes have it.
03:52:51.268 --> 03:52:53.768
Okay I believe there is no report
03:52:53.768 --> 03:52:56.668
by Ms Melton-Malone
03:52:56.668 --> 03:52:57.918
but would would you like to share anything
03:52:57.918 --> 03:52:59.385
from your committee?
03:52:59.385 --> 03:53:01.218
Yes thank you Madam Chair.
03:53:01.218 --> 03:53:02.753
Just wanted to let you know that our
03:53:02.753 --> 03:53:05.218
committee started looking at streamlining the TEACS
03:53:05.218 --> 03:53:06.851
as we talked about before,
03:53:06.851 --> 03:53:09.253
it's still in the beginning stages
03:53:09.253 --> 03:53:11.752
so we will keep you updated as time goes by
03:53:11.752 --> 03:53:14.418
on the processes that we're going through
03:53:14.418 --> 03:53:16.550
to begin that streamlining process.
03:53:16.550 --> 03:53:20.084
And we also heard the updates on the new mathematics
03:53:20.084 --> 03:53:21.885
and how things are going.
03:53:21.885 --> 03:53:25.302
And I think from testimony today you can see
03:53:25.302 --> 03:53:27.518
we still have a lot of bugs that need to worked out
03:53:27.518 --> 03:53:30.185
but we are still working on that as well
03:53:30.185 --> 03:53:33.219
and so well keep you updated on all the things
03:53:33.219 --> 03:53:35.418
that we do from here on out
03:53:35.418 --> 03:53:37.934
on those two processes.
03:53:39.284 --> 03:53:41.318
Thank you Ms Melton-Malone
03:53:41.318 --> 03:53:43.320
and Ms Hardy I don't believe you had anything.
03:53:43.320 --> 03:53:44.384
Everything went to,
03:53:44.384 --> 03:53:46.218
is there anything you'd like to share with us
03:53:46.218 --> 03:53:47.685
from your committee?
03:53:47.685 --> 03:53:49.417
Well those of you who followed the
03:53:51.570 --> 03:53:54.619
changes on absolute return for the last few years
03:53:54.619 --> 03:53:59.619
we have asked the staff to work and go forward
03:53:59.834 --> 03:54:01.452
with NEPC and try and come up with
03:54:01.452 --> 03:54:03.785
a plan to take us to the next step,
03:54:03.785 --> 03:54:07.084
which would be in house control of
03:54:07.084 --> 03:54:09.084
some of our absolute return funds
03:54:09.084 --> 03:54:10.952
and so hopefully they'll have
03:54:10.952 --> 03:54:13.084
something for us at the next meeting
03:54:13.084 --> 03:54:15.085
that we can bring back to the Board.
03:54:15.085 --> 03:54:16.984
Okay thank you Ms Hardy.
03:54:16.984 --> 03:54:18.951
Yes Mr Rowley.
03:54:18.951 --> 03:54:21.235
We had several (crosstalk)
03:54:21.235 --> 03:54:22.417
come out of the committee on school initiatives
03:54:22.417 --> 03:54:25.118
you'll find them in your minutes.
03:54:25.778 --> 03:54:27.821
Two went on the consent agenda
03:54:27.821 --> 03:54:31.584
that had to do with the approval of Board of Trustee members
03:54:31.584 --> 03:54:34.417
but on page two item three
03:54:34.417 --> 03:54:36.620
we move,
03:54:36.620 --> 03:54:40.251
the committee to take no action on the proposed amendments
03:54:40.251 --> 03:54:42.585
to 19 TAC chapter 244
03:54:42.585 --> 03:54:45.317
certificate completion of appraisers.
03:54:45.317 --> 03:54:48.601
Section 244.1 general provisions.
03:54:48.601 --> 03:54:52.318
And section 244.2 training for appraisers
03:54:52.318 --> 03:54:55.751
of educators in school districts using a recommended
03:54:55.751 --> 03:54:57.985
appraisal process.
03:54:57.985 --> 03:55:00.467
The proposed ESPEC amendments
03:55:00.467 --> 03:55:02.584
to 19 TAC chapter 244 before you
03:55:02.584 --> 03:55:05.851
is there a motion to reject?
03:55:05.851 --> 03:55:08.617
Hearing none no action is taken and the proposed
03:55:08.617 --> 03:55:11.351
ESPEC amendments to 19 TAC chapter 244
03:55:11.351 --> 03:55:14.101
will take affect July 1, 2016.
03:55:15.118 --> 03:55:18.185
Second line item number four in the minutes
03:55:18.185 --> 03:55:22.936
the committee recommends that we,
03:55:23.786 --> 03:55:25.588
oh no that is an adoption isn't it?
03:55:25.588 --> 03:55:28.951
To adopt the review of 19 TAC chaper 157
03:55:28.951 --> 03:55:30.717
hearings and appeals.
03:55:30.717 --> 03:55:32.651
Sub chapter A general provisions for hearings
03:55:32.651 --> 03:55:34.151
before the state board of education
03:55:34.151 --> 03:55:37.401
and sub chapter D independent hearing examiners.
03:55:37.984 --> 03:55:40.018
So that is a motion.
03:55:40.018 --> 03:55:42.517
It's moved and seconded to adopt the review of
03:55:42.517 --> 03:55:45.351
19 TAC chapter 157 hearings and appeals.
03:55:45.351 --> 03:55:47.784
Sub chapter A general provisions for hearings
03:55:47.784 --> 03:55:49.151
before the State Board of Education
03:55:49.151 --> 03:55:51.650
and sub chapter D independent hearing examiners.
03:55:51.650 --> 03:55:53.786
Are you ready for the question?
03:55:53.786 --> 03:55:54.851
All those in favor say aye.
03:55:54.851 --> 03:55:55.951
Aye.
03:55:55.951 --> 03:55:57.351
All those opposed say no.
03:55:57.351 --> 03:55:58.886
The ayes have it.
03:55:58.886 --> 03:56:00.884
Is that it?
03:56:00.884 --> 03:56:04.252
Okay members we are time for announcements
03:56:04.252 --> 03:56:08.851
and I just want to recognize our own very Ms Miller
03:56:08.851 --> 03:56:13.501
who was honored by the girl scouts of North East Texas
03:56:17.978 --> 03:56:22.134
as one of the recipients of it's Woman of Distinction award.
03:56:22.585 --> 03:56:26.134
(applause)
03:56:28.051 --> 03:56:29.818
Okay members if I get these things
03:56:29.818 --> 03:56:32.018
coming across my desk I'm gonna make sure
03:56:32.018 --> 03:56:33.485
and mention it on Friday.
03:56:33.485 --> 03:56:34.986
So I'm just making sure you know.
03:56:34.986 --> 03:56:36.218
Be forewarned.
03:56:36.218 --> 03:56:38.017
Yes Mr Ratliff.
03:56:38.017 --> 03:56:39.786
In terms of announcements I wanna
03:56:39.786 --> 03:56:42.884
I spend a lot of time leading up to this meeting
03:56:42.884 --> 03:56:45.218
on a lot of work on the textbook rules
03:56:45.218 --> 03:56:49.218
and I just wanted to thank the TESA, TASBY, MCAT,
03:56:49.218 --> 03:56:51.317
the publishers.
03:56:51.317 --> 03:56:53.484
I had a lot of folks helping me work
03:56:53.484 --> 03:56:55.018
through those rules to make sure they're workable
03:56:55.018 --> 03:56:58.501
and grounded in reality and kelp our process.
03:56:59.918 --> 03:57:01.785
And as a matter of personal privilege Madam Chair
03:57:01.785 --> 03:57:03.885
I would like to ask my colleagues
03:57:03.885 --> 03:57:06.184
and diligents to stop bringing up
03:57:06.184 --> 03:57:08.284
my father.
03:57:08.284 --> 03:57:11.417
He wrote that education code 20 years ago
03:57:11.417 --> 03:57:12.998
and it was passed by the legislature
03:57:12.998 --> 03:57:14.484
all of them at the time
03:57:14.484 --> 03:57:15.684
and it was signed by Governor Bush,
03:57:15.684 --> 03:57:17.350
who then became President.
03:57:17.350 --> 03:57:19.386
And there have been 10 legislative sessions
03:57:19.386 --> 03:57:20.717
since that time.
03:57:20.717 --> 03:57:22.385
20 years.
03:57:22.385 --> 03:57:23.651
And if you don't like the law
03:57:23.651 --> 03:57:25.051
then go get it changed.
03:57:25.051 --> 03:57:26.851
But stop blaming my father.
03:57:26.851 --> 03:57:28.935
Please.
03:57:29.418 --> 03:57:31.618
Point taken thank you Mr Ratliff.
03:57:31.618 --> 03:57:35.134
I want to recognize another member.
03:57:40.577 --> 03:57:42.418
Sorry I've got to pull out my,
03:57:42.418 --> 03:57:44.719
I forgot I had it on a picture.
03:57:49.919 --> 03:57:53.252
Okay I also want to recognize Mr Maynard
03:57:53.252 --> 03:57:57.386
who is the new President of the national association
03:57:57.386 --> 03:58:00.418
of supervisors of agricultural education.
03:58:00.418 --> 03:58:04.585
The organization that represents state leaders in the field
03:58:04.585 --> 03:58:06.584
of agricultural education.
03:58:06.584 --> 03:58:07.885
Congratulations.
03:58:07.885 --> 03:58:10.735
(applause)
03:58:11.584 --> 03:58:14.017
And I would like Mr Maynard to recognize
03:58:14.017 --> 03:58:17.551
the FFA we all got a notice about the FFA
03:58:17.551 --> 03:58:19.851
when we won national competitions there
03:58:19.851 --> 03:58:22.517
and I wanted him to highlight that as well.
03:58:22.517 --> 03:58:24.251
Well I would just,
03:58:24.251 --> 03:58:25.552
thank you Madam Chairman
03:58:25.552 --> 03:58:27.351
and thank you for the kind words.
03:58:27.351 --> 03:58:28.918
You should have gotten a link in your box
03:58:28.918 --> 03:58:30.685
and the reason I sent it to you because there
03:58:30.685 --> 03:58:32.385
are a number of those schools that are in your district.
03:58:32.385 --> 03:58:36.367
And if you have an opportunity to do that
03:58:36.367 --> 03:58:38.419
and so,
03:58:38.419 --> 03:58:40.584
Texas students do quite well
03:58:40.584 --> 03:58:43.718
I think that's certainly a tribute to the quality
03:58:43.718 --> 03:58:45.727
of instruction that really has very little
03:58:45.727 --> 03:58:47.185
to do with me,
03:58:47.185 --> 03:58:50.251
but certainly I'm happy to present that to you.
03:58:50.251 --> 03:58:55.101
For instance Texas has a
03:58:55.451 --> 03:58:57.751
what we call the agri science fare
03:58:57.751 --> 03:59:01.651
which is CTE supports the science curriculum
03:59:03.581 --> 03:59:05.068
member Cargill.
03:59:05.068 --> 03:59:07.851
Ms Cargill you'd be please to know
03:59:07.851 --> 03:59:10.417
that Texas has won more national championships
03:59:10.417 --> 03:59:13.685
since the origin of that national competition
03:59:13.685 --> 03:59:16.350
than any other state by a long way.
03:59:16.350 --> 03:59:20.788
So there's a team from James Madison
03:59:22.618 --> 03:59:24.550
in San Antonio,
03:59:24.550 --> 03:59:27.235
Mr Mercer is that yours, district five right?
03:59:28.117 --> 03:59:29.456
One from Holland which is mine.
03:59:29.456 --> 03:59:31.154
Marianne.
03:59:31.154 --> 03:59:32.984
(mumbles)
03:59:32.984 --> 03:59:36.434
I believe that would be Ms Dominguez,
03:59:36.718 --> 03:59:37.584
Dr Dominguez
03:59:37.584 --> 03:59:38.751
and one in Gilmore,
03:59:38.751 --> 03:59:40.618
so that would be Mr Ratliff.
03:59:40.618 --> 03:59:43.618
Also in current development events
03:59:43.618 --> 03:59:47.735
we had a national champion from Seminole Mr Rowley.
03:59:47.735 --> 03:59:50.252
We had one from Rusk,
03:59:50.252 --> 03:59:51.918
Stephenville I guess that would be,
03:59:51.918 --> 03:59:55.118
yeah it would be in meets evaluation.
03:59:55.118 --> 03:59:57.152
And then (mumbles)
03:59:57.152 --> 03:59:58.584
I believe that was also yours,
03:59:58.584 --> 04:00:01.418
and so lots of champions there.
04:00:01.418 --> 04:00:03.084
I will say also just as a
04:00:03.084 --> 04:00:08.084
just a heads up for National CTE month
04:00:09.317 --> 04:00:12.784
we did a dinner this last year
04:00:12.784 --> 04:00:14.218
and we had an opportunity to
04:00:14.218 --> 04:00:17.152
have dinner with the kids and there are some plans
04:00:17.152 --> 04:00:19.184
to do that again,
04:00:19.184 --> 04:00:20.584
probably in the same place.
04:00:20.584 --> 04:00:22.618
If y'all would want to come and be part of that again.
04:00:22.618 --> 04:00:24.484
But thank you for the opportunity
04:00:24.484 --> 04:00:26.151
take a look at that
04:00:26.151 --> 04:00:28.818
and if you have an opportunity to drop a note
04:00:28.818 --> 04:00:32.151
to those schools and the good work that they're doing.
04:00:32.151 --> 04:00:35.617
Not only in technical education but the good work
04:00:35.617 --> 04:00:37.217
that they're doing in supporting the core,
04:00:37.217 --> 04:00:40.067
the core curriculum through CTE.
04:00:41.418 --> 04:00:42.517
Yes Mr Mercer.
04:00:42.517 --> 04:00:45.285
Yes and this year the Texas Charter School Association
04:00:45.285 --> 04:00:46.684
hold their national...
04:00:46.684 --> 04:00:47.751
I'm sorry their state convention in the
04:00:47.751 --> 04:00:49.717
New Marriott resort in San Antonio
04:00:49.717 --> 04:00:52.717
and they give their charter school a champion
04:00:52.717 --> 04:00:54.684
of the year award.
04:00:54.684 --> 04:00:56.551
2015 the first time ever they gave it to a
04:00:56.551 --> 04:00:59.834
State Board of Education member Mr. David Bradley.
04:01:00.551 --> 04:01:03.301
Oh okay congratulations David.
04:01:04.384 --> 04:01:06.084
We want to thank all the little people.
04:01:06.084 --> 04:01:07.784
Okay members I would like to,
04:01:07.784 --> 04:01:10.251
I'm gonna take a moment of person privilege here.
04:01:10.251 --> 04:01:14.451
I really appreciate many of you let me know when
04:01:14.451 --> 04:01:15.951
you were going to be coming late
04:01:15.951 --> 04:01:18.950
to the meeting on Tuesday or weren't going to be able
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to come until Wednesday or had to step out
04:01:22.018 --> 04:01:24.351
of the meeting on Tuesday or Wednesday or whatever.
04:01:24.351 --> 04:01:26.617
I really appreciate that kind of notification,
04:01:26.617 --> 04:01:30.150
it really helps me to understand who's gonna be here
04:01:30.150 --> 04:01:31.351
and who's not gonna be here.
04:01:31.351 --> 04:01:32.951
So please do let me know.
04:01:32.951 --> 04:01:36.284
And the other thing is you know please let me know
04:01:36.284 --> 04:01:37.618
if you have to leave early and you've got
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we've got a vote coming up and that sort of thing
04:01:40.284 --> 04:01:42.918
I just wanna be as sensitive as I can but
04:01:42.918 --> 04:01:45.252
if you would not wait until the day of,
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to let me know,
04:01:47.051 --> 04:01:49.151
it really makes it hard on the chair
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and you know I'm not complaining
04:01:50.551 --> 04:01:52.384
I'm just saying it would be very helpful to me
04:01:52.384 --> 04:01:53.785
to give me notification
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and many of you did that this time
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and I really greatly appreciate it.
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In addition I hope you understand,
04:01:59.817 --> 04:02:04.318
you know when I asked for written amendments on these
04:02:04.318 --> 04:02:06.522
difficult chapters that get complicated
04:02:06.522 --> 04:02:08.819
and you're gonna have amendments on top of amendments.
04:02:08.819 --> 04:02:11.218
It makes it very difficult for all of us I think if,
04:02:11.218 --> 04:02:12.418
and you know,
04:02:12.418 --> 04:02:13.818
and we're handwriting things out and not everybody
04:02:13.818 --> 04:02:17.318
can keep up and it just if you've got those typed up for us
04:02:17.318 --> 04:02:18.585
as best you can,
04:02:18.585 --> 04:02:20.552
I know you're gonna stuff on the fly and I get that
04:02:20.552 --> 04:02:22.450
but let's send it out to members
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ahead of time like I requested.
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This time especially on the chapter 66 amendments.
04:02:27.251 --> 04:02:32.119
Let's be as respectful and helpful in our processes
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if we can.
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Because it delays everyone when things aren't typed out
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and aren't correct.
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Madam Chair.
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Yes.
04:02:38.481 --> 04:02:40.357
With that and then this is mostly
04:02:40.357 --> 04:02:41.688
technical but I'm surprised,
04:02:41.688 --> 04:02:42.662
when we write our amendments,
04:02:42.662 --> 04:02:43.311
where I type them up,
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is there a way that we could have it so that
04:02:44.818 --> 04:02:46.068
printer back there,
04:02:46.068 --> 04:02:48.501
I could just say 15 copies or whatever and have it going,
04:02:48.501 --> 04:02:51.501
it'd be so much easier to do it and have it right away.
04:02:51.501 --> 04:02:53.451
That's nothing that you're (mumbles).
04:02:53.451 --> 04:02:55.351
But I'm not sure why this can't be done here
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through a--
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You know that's not a bad idea.
04:02:57.618 --> 04:03:01.801
Is there a 90 dollar printer we could
04:03:01.801 --> 04:03:03.584
or is there already one we could do?
04:03:05.034 --> 04:03:07.286
Okay that would be extremely helpful
04:03:07.286 --> 04:03:08.717
and then we could printout quickly.
04:03:08.717 --> 04:03:10.317
That would help all of us Members.
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But so if you can help us as best you can
04:03:12.254 --> 04:03:14.051
to type up these things for everyone
04:03:14.051 --> 04:03:16.551
get them out early when you already know what your
04:03:16.551 --> 04:03:19.051
gonna offer as well as stuff you're doing on the fly.
04:03:19.051 --> 04:03:20.551
If there's someway to type it up
04:03:20.551 --> 04:03:22.052
it would be so much help,
04:03:22.052 --> 04:03:23.034
so much more helpful.
04:03:23.034 --> 04:03:23.751
And make sure you've got
04:03:23.751 --> 04:03:25.588
where it is in the agenda book.
04:03:25.588 --> 04:03:26.701
I don't want us to get lost.
04:03:26.701 --> 04:03:27.618
I don't want anyone to feel like we've gone
04:03:27.618 --> 04:03:31.035
through a vote and we did not know where we were
04:03:31.035 --> 04:03:32.837
and anyone was confused.
04:03:32.837 --> 04:03:35.668
So that's a very important thing.
04:03:35.668 --> 04:03:39.767
Then you know I do think Mr Ratliff raises
04:03:39.767 --> 04:03:41.936
a good point and I will say that,
04:03:41.936 --> 04:03:46.067
I really want us to be very cognizant
04:03:46.067 --> 04:03:48.735
and careful about our language towards
04:03:48.735 --> 04:03:49.851
each other.
04:03:49.851 --> 04:03:51.484
I think that is very important
04:03:51.484 --> 04:03:53.287
we are all professionals here
04:03:53.287 --> 04:03:54.751
we have all been elected by our districts
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it's important that we not get personal about
04:03:59.417 --> 04:04:02.850
the work that we do and sometimes we joke around
04:04:02.850 --> 04:04:05.151
and you know I understand you're gonna do
04:04:05.151 --> 04:04:09.018
little digs here and there but let's keep
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it at a very professional level
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and a respectful level and respect for
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the Members and their families
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and all of...
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It's just the way we need to conduct ourselves.
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I really appreciate it and I appreciate your time
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and attention.
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And thank you I look forward to working
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with all of you on this community conversation.
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I think this is a big deal for the State Board of Education
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and I really am excited you all want to partner
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with me and work in this area.
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And so thank you very much Members the meeting is adjourned.